Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 gearbox rebuild

From: Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 19:23:58 -0600

JK Jackson had that all figured out for a non overdrive box with the goal to get a better 2-3 spread.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Greg Blake via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> I’ve been inspecting the gears I took out of my race car. Second gear appears to have the slightest blue tinge to its color now. Is there a way to check if there is some damage caused by over heating?  Everything seems good from a tolerance perspective, just concerned about the slight blue color. 
> 
> Related note. Is there a combination of gears I can use out of different gearboxes to give a better split between 3, 3OD, and 4th?  Right now I just skip 3OD because it is very close to 4th. I have a ton of gearboxes laying around, so if there is a combination I should try I’d love to give it a shot. 
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 21:10:05 +1000

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there are several different overdrive ratios, you need to change the sun
gear , annulus and 3-gear set

Terry

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:24 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
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> > =EF=BB=BFI=E2=80=99ve been inspecting the gears I took out of my race c=
ar. Second gear
> appears to have the slightest blue tinge to its color now. Is there a way
> to check if there is some damage caused by over heating?  Everything seem=
s
> good from a tolerance perspective, just concerned about the slight blue
> color.
> >
> > Related note. Is there a combination of gears I can use out of differen=
t
> gearboxes to give a better split between 3, 3OD, and 4th?  Right now I ju=
st
> skip 3OD because it is very close to 4th. I have a ton of gearboxes layin=
g
> around, so if there is a combination I should try I=E2=80=99d love to giv=
e it a
> shot.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">there are several different overdrive ratios, you need to =
change the sun gear , annulus and 3-gear set<div><br></div><div>Terry=C2=A0=
<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smar=
tmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:24 AM Bob Kramer via =
Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">JK Jackson =
had that all figured out for a non overdrive box with the goal to get a bet=
ter 2-3 spread.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Nov 14, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Greg Blake via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BFI=E2=80=99ve been inspecting the gears I took out of my race =
car. Second gear appears to have the slightest blue tinge to its color now.=
 Is there a way to check if there is some damage caused by over heating?=C2=
=A0 Everything seems good from a tolerance perspective, just concerned abou=
t the slight blue color. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Related note. Is there a combination of gears I can use out of differe=
nt gearboxes to give a better split between 3, 3OD, and 4th?=C2=A0 Right no=
w I just skip 3OD because it is very close to 4th. I have a ton of gearboxe=
s laying around, so if there is a combination I should try I=E2=80=99d love=
 to give it a shot. <br>
&gt; <br>
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From: Marcel VanMulders via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:22:08 +0100 (CET)

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I don't think the blue color does mean a thing. Some Fot members, like Chuc=
k Gee, will know for sure.=20
The standard overdrive ratio's of the Triumph cars (TR, saloons and Stag) a=
re not very different. The ratio is often marked in the casing : something =
like 25 or 22, but none of the standard ratio's will improve the 3 O/D use =
that much : the power loss through the overdrive will not be compensated by=
 the better overall gearing, but it can come in handy sometimes to engage 3=
rd O/D for just a couple of seconds and then again go to 3rd=20
Marcel=20

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Verzonden: Maandag 15 november 2021 12:10:05=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 gearbox rebuild=20

there are several different overdrive ratios, you need to change the sun ge=
ar , annulus and 3-gear set=20
Terry=20

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:24 AM Bob Kramer via Fot < [ mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net | [email-masked] ] > wrote:=20

JK Jackson had that all figured out for a non overdrive box with the goal t=
o get a better 2-3 spread.=20

Sent from my iPhone=20

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Greg Blake via Fot < [ mailto:[email-masked]=
.net | [email-masked] ] > wrote:=20
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> I=E2=80=99ve been inspecting the gears I took out of my race car. Second =
gear appears to have the slightest blue tinge to its color now. Is there a =
way to check if there is some damage caused by over heating? Everything see=
ms good from a tolerance perspective, just concerned about the slight blue =
color.=20
>=20
> Related note. Is there a combination of gears I can use out of different =
gearboxes to give a better split between 3, 3OD, and 4th? Right now I just =
skip 3OD because it is very close to 4th. I have a ton of gearboxes laying =
around, so if there is a combination I should try I=E2=80=99d love to give =
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I do=
n't think the blue color does mean a thing. Some Fot members, like Chuck Ge=
e, will know for sure.</div><div>The standard overdrive ratio's of the Triu=
mph cars (TR, saloons and Stag) are not very different. The ratio is often =
marked in the casing : something like 25 or 22, but none of the standard ra=
tio's will improve the 3 O/D use that much : the power loss through the ove=
rdrive will not be compensated by the better overall gearing, but it can co=
me in handy sometimes to engage 3rd O/D for just a couple of seconds and th=
en again go to 3rd</div><div>Marcel</div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__=
DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"fot" &lt;fot@autox=
.team.net&gt;<br><b>Aan: </b>"Bob Kramer" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b=
>Cc: </b>"fot" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Maandag 15 n=
ovember 2021 12:10:05<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] TR6 gearbox rebuild<br=
></div><div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>there are several different overdrive ratios, you need to change the sun g=
ear , annulus and 3-gear set<br><div>Terry&nbsp;<br clear=3D"all"><div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><=
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=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:24 AM Bob Kramer v=
ia Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
ofollow noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex">JK Jackson had that al=
l figured out for a non overdrive box with the goal to get a better 2-3 spr=
ead.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Nov 14, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Greg Blake via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I=E2=80=99ve been inspecting the gears I took out of my race car. Seco=
nd gear appears to have the slightest blue tinge to its color now. Is there=
 a way to check if there is some damage caused by over heating?&nbsp; Every=
thing seems good from a tolerance perspective, just concerned about the sli=
ght blue color. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Related note. Is there a combination of gears I can use out of differe=
nt gearboxes to give a better split between 3, 3OD, and 4th?&nbsp; Right no=
w I just skip 3OD because it is very close to 4th. I have a ton of gearboxe=
s laying around, so if there is a combination I should try I=E2=80=99d love=
 to give it a shot. <br>
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From: "R. John Lye via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 08:47:17 -0500

JK also had a set that he used for O/D gearboxes to make the splits more even.
I am not sure what they were, but they worked well.

John

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> On Nov 14, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote:
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From: Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
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 The set that JK used was the late layshaft cluster and then the dolomite s=
print 3rd / 4th set. When mixed with the overdrive, you get the most useful=
 gear combos.
O/D 3rd is more for not doing a 3rd to 4th shift on both A and J-types, as =
is 2nd O/D for the A type. In both cases, while you get the extra gears, yo=
u don't really get any advantage rowing through them as opposed to grabbing=
 a gear in a quick burst.
FWIW, 2nd o/d is awesome for an autocrosser.=C2=A0 ;-)
c ya,Bob Lang

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@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 JK also had a set that he used for O/D gearboxes to make the splits more e=
ven.
I am not sure what they were, but they worked well.

John

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 19:23:58 -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:

JK Jackson had that all figured out for a non overdrive box with the goal t=
o get a better 2-3 spread.

Sent from my iPhone

> =EF=BB=BFI=E2=80=99ve been inspecting the gears I took out of my race car=
. Second gear appears to have the slightest blue tinge to its color now. Is=
 there a way to check if there is some damage caused by over heating? Every=
thing seems good from a tolerance perspective, just concerned about the sli=
ght blue color.
it a shot.
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3px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The set that JK used was the=
 late layshaft cluster and then the dolomite sprint 3rd / 4th set. When mix=
ed with the overdrive, you get the most useful gear combos.</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">O/D 3rd is more for not doing a 3rd to 4th shift on both A and J-types=
, as is 2nd O/D for the A type. In both cases, while you get the extra gear=
s, you don't really get any advantage rowing through them as opposed to gra=
bbing a gear in a quick burst.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">FWIW, 2nd o/d is awesome f=
or an autocrosser.&nbsp; ;-)</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">c ya,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Monday, November 15, 2021, 08:47:36 AM EST, R. John =
Lye via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">JK also had a set that he used for O/=
D gearboxes to make the splits more even.<br clear=3D"none">I am not sure w=
hat they were, but they worked well.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">J=
ohn<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">On Sun, 14 Nov=
 2021 19:23:58 -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">JK Jackson had that a=
ll figured out for a non overdrive box with the goal to get a better 2-3 sp=
read.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; On Nov 14, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Greg Blake via F=
ot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt; =EF=BB=BFI=E2=80=99=
ve been inspecting the gears I took out of my race car. Second gear appears=
 to have the slightest blue tinge to its color now. Is there a way to check=
 if there is some damage caused by over heating? Everything seems good from=
 a tolerance perspective, just concerned about the slight blue color.<br cl=
ear=3D"none">&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Related note. Is there a combinati=
on of gears I can use out of different gearboxes to give a better split bet=
ween 3, 3OD, and 4th? Right now I just skip 3OD because it is very close to=
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 When I raced at a long track with some tight turns, like Road Atlanta or R=
oad America, I used a 4.3 rear end gear with the Dolomite close ratio gears=
 and an A-Type overdrive.=C2=A0 This combination gave me a good second gear=
 for the tight turns (e.g. turn 7 at Road Atlanta), and the overdrive gave =
me a good top end for the long straights at both tracks.
Turns 5 and 6 at Road America is a good example of where you might use 2nd =
gear direct for turn 5, an upshift into 2nd overdrive on the hill up to tur=
n 6, then back down to 2nd direct for turn 6.
I hope this is useful.
Regards,
Jack

    On Monday, November 15, 2021, 10:38:14 AM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot=
@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
  The set that JK used was the late layshaft cluster and then the dolomite =
sprint 3rd / 4th set. When mixed with the overdrive, you get the most usefu=
l gear combos.
O/D 3rd is more for not doing a 3rd to 4th shift on both A and J-types, as =
is 2nd O/D for the A type. In both cases, while you get the extra gears, yo=
u don't really get any advantage rowing through them as opposed to grabbing=
 a gear in a quick burst.
FWIW, 2nd o/d is awesome for an autocrosser.=C2=A0 ;-)
c ya,Bob Lang

John

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;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">When I raced at a long track=
 with some tight turns, like Road Atlanta or Road America, I used a 4.3 rea=
r end gear with the Dolomite close ratio gears and an A-Type overdrive.&nbs=
p; This combination gave me a good second gear for the tight turns (e.g. tu=
rn 7 at Road Atlanta), and the overdrive gave me a good top end for the lon=
g straights at both tracks.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Turns 5 and 6 at Road America=
 is a good example of where you might use 2nd gear direct for turn 5, an up=
shift into 2nd overdrive on the hill up to turn 6, then back down to 2nd di=
rect for turn 6.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I hope this is useful.</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
>Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jack<br></div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp7ed67719yahoo_quoted_7410161875" class=3D"ydp7e=
d67719yahoo_quoted">
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                    On Monday, November 15, 2021, 10:38:14 AM EST, Robert L=
ang via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp7ed67719yiv6570816576"><div><div style=
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;" class=3D"ydp7ed67719yiv6570816576ydp3bb53542yahoo-style-wrap"><div></div=
        <div dir=3D"ltr">The set that JK used was the late layshaft cluster=
 and then the dolomite sprint 3rd / 4th set. When mixed with the overdrive,=
 you get the most useful gear combos.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">O/D 3rd is more for not doing a 3rd to 4th shift=
 on both A and J-types, as is 2nd O/D for the A type. In both cases, while =
you get the extra gears, you don't really get any advantage rowing through =
them as opposed to grabbing a gear in a quick burst.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">FWIW, 2nd o/d is awesome for an a=
utocrosser.&nbsp; ;-)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">c ya,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang<br clear=3D"none"></div><di=
v><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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6576yqtfd94421" class=3D"ydp7ed67719yiv6570816576yqt4989762094">JK also had=
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none"><br clear=3D"none">John<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clea=
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Everything seems good from a tolerance perspective, just concerned about th=
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to give a better split between 3, 3OD, and 4th? Right now I just skip 3OD b=
ecause it is very close to 4th. I have a ton of gearboxes laying around, so=
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Greg, you did not mention what ratios you have. During my short racing 
career I tried numerous gear combinations. 20% jumps seem to be about 
right for the upper gears in our cars, which is what a standard A-type 
overdrive gives (22% or 0.82). The standard gearbox ratios give about a 
30% jump between 3rd and 4th, while the close ratio gears are closer to 
20%, so standard gears give a 3rd overdrive which is 10% lower than 4th, 
while with a close ratio box they are essentially the same. The 
advantage of the overdrive is to give a useable gear between 2nd and 
3rd. I don't see how you can improve on the combination of an OD and 
close ratio box with a 4.55 rear. I found it useful to have two ways to 
get the same gear because sometimes it is easier/quicker to shift the OD 
rather than the transmission. Everyone say overdrives are temperamental 
and add weight. I never found mine to be a problem and a small 
improvement in gearing can easily make up for the extra weight.

The alternative OD ratios I've seen are larger than 20%. You'd have to 
go to a very large OD ratio to get a useable 3rd-OD which is between 3rd 
and 4th. Some of the alternate OD ratios are probably better for highway 
cruising.

On 11/15/2021 5:10 AM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote:
> there are several different overdrive ratios, you need to change the 
> sun gear , annulus and 3-gear set
>
> Terry
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:24 AM Bob Kramer via Fot 
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     > I’ve been inspecting the gears I took out of my race car.
>     Second gear appears to have the slightest blue tinge to its color
>     now. Is there a way to check if there is some damage caused by
>     over heating?  Everything seems good from a tolerance perspective,
>     just concerned about the slight blue color.
>     >
>     > Related note. Is there a combination of gears I can use out of
>     different gearboxes to give a better split between 3, 3OD, and
>     4th?  Right now I just skip 3OD because it is very close to 4th. I
>     have a ton of gearboxes laying around, so if there is a
>     combination I should try I’d love to give it a shot.
>     >
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    Greg, you did not mention what ratios you have. During my short
    racing career I tried numerous gear combinations. 20% jumps seem to
    be about right for the upper gears in our cars, which is what a
    standard A-type overdrive gives (22% or 0.82). The standard gearbox
    ratios give about a 30% jump between 3rd and 4th, while the close
    ratio gears are closer to 20%, so standard gears give a 3rd
    overdrive which is 10% lower than 4th, while with a close ratio box
    they are essentially the same. The advantage of the overdrive is to
    give a useable gear between 2nd and 3rd. I don't see how you can
    improve on the combination of an OD and close ratio box with a 4.55
    rear. I found it useful to have two ways to get the same gear
    because sometimes it is easier/quicker to shift the OD rather than
    the transmission. Everyone say overdrives are temperamental and add
    weight. I never found mine to be a problem and a small improvement
    in gearing can easily make up for the extra weight.<br>
    <br>
    The alternative OD ratios I've seen are larger than 20%. You'd have
    to go to a very large OD ratio to get a useable 3rd-OD which is
    between 3rd and 4th. Some of the alternate OD ratios are probably
    better for highway cruising.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2021 5:10 AM, Enquiries Road
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:24
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          Jackson had that all figured out for a non overdrive box with
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          &gt; On Nov 14, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Greg Blake via Fot &lt;<a
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          &gt; I’ve been inspecting the gears I took out of my race
          car. Second gear appears to have the slightest blue tinge to
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          caused by over heating?  Everything seems good from a
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          &gt; Related note. Is there a combination of gears I can use
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          3OD, and 4th?  Right now I just skip 3OD because it is very
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