Subject: Re: [Fot] Billet crank and 1500 spitfire engine

From: marty sukey via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 16:42:23 +0000

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:24:21 +0000

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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:28:47 +0000 (UTC)

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FADING AWAY NOT TOO QUICKLY I HOPE!!!!

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From: John H. Hasty via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: Barr, Scott <[email-masked]>
Cc: Amici Triumphi <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2021 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Billet crank and 1500 spitfire engine

Heck Scott, we old lawyers don=E2=80=99t retire, like old soldiers we just =
fade away!

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Jerry Barker also did a nice 1500 crank for me, based on a stock unit.=C2=
=A0 It=E2=80=99s done with all the mods described in the Kas manual article=
 on the topic.=C2=A0 Cross-drilled, etc.=C2=A0 I paired it some Carrillo ro=
ds and JE pistons for a nice solid bottom end that lasted well (but I still=
 changed the rod bearings every 3 race weekends and rods and mains every 6 =
race weekends out of an abundance of caution).=C2=A0 I regularly spun it to=
 at least 6,500.=C2=A0 Probably a bit more than that under Emergency War Po=
wer circumstances.=C2=A0
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 =C2=A0
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And Jerry later did a nice head for me to go with that bottom end.
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Both are sitting in my storage unit awaiting the day I decide to put the ol=
d Spit Racer back on the street.=C2=A0 Some day.=C2=A0 After I retire. =C2=
=A0Probably.
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 =C2=A0
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Scott (B.)
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From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf OfMike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 9:17 AM
To: FoTTriumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Fot] Billet crank and 1500 spitfire engine
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Hi FOTers, I'm toying with the idea of building a 1500 race engine for the =
spit. I have the Moldex billet crank in my 1296 race engines and like the s=
moothness created by the "ghost main" style. I know 1500's have a problem r=
evving (and staying together) so I was wondering if anyone has successfully=
 built a 1500 racing engine with one.
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 =C2=A0
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I'm looking because a couple of groups run vintage races in the northeast o=
n very hilly tracks and I'd like more torque. The way they classify cars, a=
 1300 and a 1500 both compete in the same class. If I can get more stroke a=
nd not give up too much top end (like a different diff ratio "provides") I'=
d be willing to give it a try.
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Has anyone found a solution to keeping a 1500 together to 7K (more than onc=
e)?
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thanks
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mike h
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<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal">Jerry Barker also did a nice 1500 crank=
 for me, based on a stock unit.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s done with all the mods d=
escribed in the Kas manual article on the topic.&nbsp; Cross-drilled, etc.&=
nbsp; I paired it some Carrillo rods and JE pistons for a nice solid bottom
 end that lasted well (but I still changed the rod bearings every 3 race we=
ekends and rods and mains every 6 race weekends out of an abundance of caut=
ion).&nbsp; I regularly spun it to at least 6,500.&nbsp; Probably a bit mor=
e than that under Emergency War Power circumstances.&nbsp;
</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal">And Jerry later did a nice head for me =
to go with that bottom end.</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal">Both are sitting in my storage unit awa=
iting the day I decide to put the old Spit Racer back on the street.&nbsp; =
Some day.&nbsp; After I retire. &nbsp;Probably.</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal">Scott (B.)</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot &lt;fot-bounces@autox.=
team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mike Harmuth via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 17, 2021 9:17 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> FoTTriumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Billet crank and 1500 spitfire engine</p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal">Hi FOTers, I'm toying with the idea of =
building a 1500 race engine for the spit. I have the Moldex billet crank in=
 my 1296 race engines and like the smoothness created by the "ghost main" s=
tyle. I know 1500's have a problem revving (and
 staying together) so I was wondering if anyone has successfully built a 15=
00 racing engine with one.</p>=20
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal">I'm looking because a couple of groups =
run vintage races in the northeast on very hilly tracks and I'd like more t=
orque. The way they classify cars, a 1300 and a 1500 both compete in the sa=
me class. If I can get more stroke and not give
 up too much top end (like a different diff ratio "provides") I'd be willin=
g to give it a try.</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal">Has anyone found a solution to keeping =
a 1500 together to 7K (more than once)?</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal">thanks</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv3104531820MsoNormal">mike h</p>=20
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From: Greg Hilyer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 16:30:55 -0700

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I thought the saying was=20
=E2=80=9COld lawyers never retire - they just loose their appeal=E2=80=9D.
I=E2=80=99ll show myself out now=E2=80=A6=F0=9F=A4=AA
Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D Hilyer
Albuquerque NM

> On Nov 17, 2021, at 3:24 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF Heck Scott, we old lawyers don=E2=80=99t retire, like old soldie=
rs we just fade away!
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Jerry Barker also did a nice 1500 crank for me, based on a stock unit.  I=
t=E2=80=99s done with all the mods described in the Kas manual article on th=
e topic.  Cross-drilled, etc.  I paired it some Carrillo rods and JE pistons=
 for a nice solid bottom end that lasted well (but I still changed the rod b=
earings every 3 race weekends and rods and mains every 6 race weekends out o=
f an abundance of caution).  I regularly spun it to at least 6,500.  Probabl=
y a bit more than that under Emergency War Power circumstances.=20
>> Both are sitting in my storage unit awaiting the day I decide to put the o=
ld Spit Racer back on the street.  Some day.  After I retire.  Probably.
>> =20
>> Scott (B.)
>> =20
>> From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
>> Hi FOTers, I'm toying with the idea of building a 1500 race engine for th=
e spit. I have the Moldex billet crank in my 1296 race engines and like the s=
moothness created by the "ghost main" style. I know 1500's have a problem re=
vving (and staying together) so I was wondering if anyone has successfully b=
uilt a 1500 racing engine with one.
>> =20
>> I'm looking because a couple of groups run vintage races in the northeast=
 on very hilly tracks and I'd like more torque. The way they classify cars, a=
 1300 and a 1500 both compete in the same class. If I can get more stroke an=
d not give up too much top end (like a different diff ratio "provides") I'd b=
e willing to give it a try.
>> =20
>> Has anyone found a solution to keeping a 1500 together to 7K (more than o=
nce)?
>> =20
>> thanks
>> mike h
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I thought the saying was&n=
bsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=9COld lawyers never retire - they just loo=
se their appeal=E2=80=9D.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99ll show myself out=
 now=E2=80=A6=F0=9F=A4=AA</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D=
 Hilyer</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Albuquerque NM</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 17, 2021, at 3:24 PM,=
 John H. Hasty via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote=
></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">

Heck Scott, we old lawyers don=E2=80=99t retire, like old soldiers we just f=
ade away!<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 17, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jerry Barker also did a nice 1500 crank for me, based=
 on a stock unit.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s done with all the mods described in the=
 Kas manual article on the topic.&nbsp; Cross-drilled, etc.&nbsp; I paired i=
t some Carrillo rods and JE pistons for a nice solid bottom
 end that lasted well (but I still changed the rod bearings every 3 race wee=
kends and rods and mains every 6 race weekends out of an abundance of cautio=
n).&nbsp; I regularly spun it to at least 6,500.&nbsp; Probably a bit more t=
han that under Emergency War Power circumstances.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">And Jerry later did a nice head for me to go with tha=
t bottom end.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Both are sitting in my storage unit awaiting the day I=
 decide to put the old Spit Racer back on the street.&nbsp; Some day.&nbsp; A=
fter I retire. &nbsp;Probably.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Scott (B.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <=
b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mike Harmuth via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 17, 2021 9:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> FoTTriumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Billet crank and 1500 spitfire engine<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi FOTers, I'm toying with the idea of building a 150=
0 race engine for the spit. I have the Moldex billet crank in my 1296 race e=
ngines and like the smoothness created by the "ghost main" style. I know 150=
0's have a problem revving (and
 staying together) so I was wondering if anyone has successfully built a 150=
0 racing engine with one.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'm looking because a couple of groups run vintage ra=
ces in the northeast on very hilly tracks and I'd like more torque. The way t=
hey classify cars, a 1300 and a 1500 both compete in the same class. If I ca=
n get more stroke and not give
 up too much top end (like a different diff ratio "provides") I'd be willing=
 to give it a try.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has anyone found a solution to keeping a 1500 togethe=
r to 7K (more than once)?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">mike h<o:p></o:p></p>
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