Subject: [Fot] Pure Water in the crankcase catch can

From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 22:29:38 -0400

This weekend at the Glen my engine pumped about 6 oz of pure water ( not the expected oil-water milkshake mixture) into the catch can in a 20 minute session. I had to top up the coolant a similar amount.
This is unusual due to the purity of the water.  It was clear. 
I am running Driven XP3 oil. Not running anti freeze, just water wetter.
What could be the cause? Anyone have similar experience? 
I’m thinking the aluminum plug in the head in the rocker arm area could be at fault. That could send water almost immediately out the vent in the rocker cover before it mixed with oil in the crankcase. Plausible?
Will run a cooling system pressure test tomorrow.
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks,
Phil Gott

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From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:32:03 -0400

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Got it!
Yes, it was a challenge, but the Ken Knight solution worked well.=20
1) ensure no filings can reach other parts of the engine
2) drill out the center of the plug big enough to fit a hack saw blade into i=
t.
3) cut the plug into thirds, more or less, like a pizza. Cut to the cast iro=
n threads, but not into them.
4) use a flat punch to knock one of the sections out.
5) fold the other two sections together with the punch. At this point it sho=
uld either screw out or can be removed with a pair of pliers.
6) use heavy grease on a screw driver to get the aluminum pieces and filings=
 out of the cooling system.
Thanks everyone, especially Ken, for your suggestions!
Phil Gott

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> On Sep 14, 2021, at 9:37 AM, fubog1 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> It can be done but it'll be a #itch to get the plug out with the head stil=
l on the engine, it's best/easiest to drill/machine it out on the bench.
> If it's leaking in the middle it's likely rotten and has to be replaced.
> If it's leaking around the edge, peen the edge of the plug, it's soft, and=
 dump a small jar of the original Bars leak* in it & it'll likely be fine un=
til next overhaul.
> Glen Efinger
> * it saved the USS Nautilus & also works well in TR racecars...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
> To: Friends Of Triumph <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 7:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure Water in the crankcase catch can
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> Thanks for the private responses.
> It is indeed the aluminum plug in the rocker box floor. Some solutions are=
 covered in Kas=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CTriumphs=E2=80=9D book.=20
> Does anyone have suggestions about how to remove that plug without first r=
emoving the cylinder head?
> Phil
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> > On Sep 12, 2021, at 10:30 PM, Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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> > =EF=BB=BFThis weekend at the Glen my engine pumped about 6 oz of pure wa=
ter ( not the expected oil-water milkshake mixture) into the catch can in a 2=
0 minute session. I had to top up the coolant a similar amount.
> > This is unusual due to the purity of the water.  It was clear.=20
> > I am running Driven XP3 oil. Not running anti freeze, just water wetter.=

> > What could be the cause? Anyone have similar experience?=20
> > I=E2=80=99m thinking the aluminum plug in the head in the rocker arm are=
a could be at fault. That could send water almost immediately out the vent i=
n the rocker cover before it mixed with oil in the crankcase. Plausible?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Got it!<div>Yes, it was a challenge, but th=
e Ken Knight solution worked well.&nbsp;</div><div>1) ensure no filings can r=
each other parts of the engine</div><div>2) drill out the center of the plug=
 big enough to fit a hack saw blade into it.</div><div>3) cut the plug into t=
hirds, more or less, like a pizza. Cut to the cast iron threads, but not int=
o them.</div><div>4) use a flat punch to knock one of the sections out.</div=
><div>5) fold the other two sections together with the punch. At this point i=
t should either screw out or can be removed with a pair of pliers.</div><div=
>6) use heavy grease on a screw driver to get the aluminum pieces and filing=
s out of the cooling system.</div><div>Thanks everyone, especially Ken, for y=
our suggestions!</div><div>Phil Gott<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iP=
hone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 14, 2021, at=
 9:37 AM, fubog1 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquo=
te></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"2">It can be done but it'll be a #itch to get the plug o=
ut with the head still on the engine, it's best/easiest to drill/machine it o=
ut on the bench.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">If it's leaking in the middle it's likely rotten and h=
as to be replaced.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">If it's leaking around the edge, peen the edge of the p=
lug, it's soft, and dump a small jar of the original Bars leak* in it &amp; i=
t'll likely be fine until next overhaul.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Glen Efinger</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">* it saved the USS Nautilus &amp; also works well in T=
R racecars...</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font s=
ize=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Philip Gott via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Friends Of Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 7:37 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure Water in the crankcase catch can<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for the private responses.<br clear=3D"none">It is i=
ndeed the aluminum plug in the rocker box floor. Some solutions are covered i=
n Kas=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CTriumphs=E2=80=9D book. <br clear=3D"none">Does any=
one have suggestions about how to remove that plug without first removing th=
e cylinder head?<br clear=3D"none">Phil<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
>Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yqt3723668945" id=3D"yqtfd52517"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; On Se=
p 12, 2021, at 10:30 PM, Philip Gott via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; =EF=BB=BF=
This weekend at the Glen my engine pumped about 6 oz of pure water ( not the=
 expected oil-water milkshake mixture) into the catch can in a 20 minute ses=
sion. I had to top up the coolant a similar amount.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; T=
his is unusual due to the purity of the water.&nbsp; It was clear. <br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; I am running Driven XP3 oil. Not running anti freeze, just wa=
ter wetter.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; What could be the cause? Anyone have simi=
lar experience? <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I=E2=80=99m thinking the aluminum pl=
ug in the head in the rocker arm area could be at fault. That could send wat=
er almost immediately out the vent in the rocker cover before it mixed with o=
il in the crankcase. Plausible?<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Will run a cooling sy=
stem pressure test tomorrow.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Any advice appreciated.<=
br clear=3D"none">&gt; Thanks,<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Phil Gott<br clear=3D"=
none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none"><br=
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