Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Pyrometer

From: Joe Boruch via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 00:37:51 +0000 (UTC)

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 I have had the Longacre temperature compensated digital pressure gauge for=
 about 10 years.=C2=A0 You can quickly store pressures and temps, but it is=
 now over $400, so it's hardly mid=3Dpriced.=C2=A0 JoeB
    On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 07:39:56 PM EDT, finishing Touch via Fo=
t <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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 I've decided to get a tire pyrometer and would appreciate any=20
recommendations for a mid priced unit, or even better if anyone has or=20
knows of a good used one for sale.

Thanks,
Mike Kurtz
#51 Yellow TR6
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I have had the Longacre temp=
erature compensated digital pressure gauge for about 10 years.&nbsp; You ca=
n quickly store pressures and temps, but it is now over $400, so it's hardl=
y mid=3Dpriced.&nbsp; JoeB</div><div><br></div>
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ing Touch via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">I've decided to get a tire pyrometer =
and would appreciate any <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">recommendations for a m=
id priced unit, or even better if anyone has or <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
knows of a good used one for sale.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Thanks,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike Kurtz<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">#51 Yellow TR6<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">_________________________=
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From: Rick Parent via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:16:38 +0000 (UTC)

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https://www.harborfreight.com/201-infrared-laser-thermometer-with-color-ala=
rms-64847.html?_br_psugg_q=3Dtemperature+gun

Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequence=
s"
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    On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 08:38:33 PM EDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <fo=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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  I have had the Longacre temperature compensated digital pressure gauge fo=
r about 10 years.=C2=A0 You can quickly store pressures and temps, but it i=
s now over $400, so it's hardly mid=3Dpriced.=C2=A0 JoeB
    On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 07:39:56 PM EDT, finishing Touch via Fo=
t <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 I've decided to get a tire pyrometer and would appreciate any=20
recommendations for a mid priced unit, or even better if anyone has or=20
knows of a good used one for sale.

Thanks,
Mike Kurtz
#51 Yellow TR6

tt.net

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if;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick Parent</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
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                    On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 08:38:33 PM EDT, Joe Bo=
ruch via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">I have had the Longacre temperature compensated di=
gital pressure gauge for about 10 years.&nbsp; You can quickly store pressu=
res and temps, but it is now over $400, so it's hardly mid=3Dpriced.&nbsp; =
JoeB</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 07:39:56 PM EDT, finish=
ing Touch via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                </div><div><div class=3D"yiv1826843633yqt4366855687" id=3D"=
yiv1826843633yqtfd38622"><div dir=3D"ltr">I've decided to get a tire pyrome=
ter and would appreciate any <br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">reco=
mmendations for a mid priced unit, or even better if anyone has or <br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">knows of a good used one for sale.<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Thanks,<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike Kurtz<br clear=3D"n=
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From: fubog1 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:29:02 +0000 (UTC)

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 Another point re tire temps, it's best to "stick" w/a probe vs surface tem=
p pyrometer, it's a better indicator of true temp, but a surface scan will =
still give the delta.
Glen Efinger
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From: Rick Parent via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <[email-masked]>; finishing Touch <fin=
[email-masked]>; Joe Boruch <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2021 9:16 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Pyrometer

Rick Parent

Thanks,
Mike Kurtz
#51 Yellow TR6

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<div> <font size=3D"2">Another point re tire temps, it's best to "stick" w/=
a probe vs surface temp pyrometer, it's a better indicator of true temp, bu=
t a surface scan will still give the delta.</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"2">Glen Efinger</font><br>
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From: Rick Parent via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; finishing Touc=
h &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Joe Boruch &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2021 9:16 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Pyrometer<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">"<i>Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regar=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have had the Longacre temperature compensated digital pr=
essure gauge for about 10 years.&nbsp; You can quickly store pressures and =
temps, but it is now over $400, so it's hardly mid=3Dpriced.&nbsp; JoeB</di=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I've decided to get a tire pyrometer and would appreciate =
any <br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">recommendations for a mid priced unit, or even better if a=
nyone has or <br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">knows of a good used one for sale.<br clear=3D"none"></div=

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks,<br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Mike Kurtz<br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">#51 Yellow TR6<br clear=3D"none"></div>

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From: Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:27:50 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hi,
Mike - I've been using a cheap unit from Longacre since forever... probably 20 years. I paid less than $75 for it at the time. It's got no memory function - it does tires or brakes (different temp ranges) by touching the pointy probe to the surface that you're testing.
Turns out the meter is super helpful for lots of household chores, so it gets used year-round at our house. I used to use it to check the flue temps on the woodstove but it's also been used to find air leaks related to frozen pipes. SO - super useful.
Allen - Regarding actual tire temps for Hoosier - I have yet to find a setup the results in completely even tire temps across the face of the tire. I used to try changes on skid pads when our local SCCA Solo folks ran T&T's - no dice. That said, I have found over the years that the Hoosiers (both radials and bias-ply) are sensitive to operating PRESSURE much more than tire temps. In solo, we found that increments of .5 pounds mattered. But that's mostly due to how fast the tires need to heat up and kool down. A pound or so in vintage road racing seems to be good enough. That said, the best handling for me in my TR6 with TDR's is around 28 PSI hot. I adjust the cold temps based on pressure gain based on ambient temps and my first practice session at any track. I've been told by the guys at KTR that my hot pressures are probably too high, but I dropped them a lot and all I got was more tire rollover and not faster laps. But that's me and my car. Yours may be different.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 07:39:34 PM EDT, finishing Touch via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:  
 
 I've decided to get a tire pyrometer and would appreciate any 
recommendations for a mid priced unit, or even better if anyone has or 
knows of a good used one for sale.

Thanks,
Mike Kurtz
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>Mike - I've been using a cheap unit from Longacre since forever... probabl=
y 20 years. I paid less than $75 for it at the time. It's got no memory fun=
ction - it does tires or brakes (different temp ranges) by touching the poi=
nty probe to the surface that you're testing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Turns out t=
he meter is super helpful for lots of household chores, so it gets used yea=
r-round at our house. I used to use it to check the flue temps on the woods=
tove but it's also been used to find air leaks related to frozen pipes. SO =
- super useful.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Allen - Regarding actual tire temps for H=
oosier - I have yet to find a setup the results in completely even tire tem=
ps across the face of the tire. I used to try changes on skid pads when our=
 local SCCA Solo folks ran T&amp;T's - no dice. That said, I have found ove=
r the years that the Hoosiers (both radials and bias-ply) are sensitive to =
operating PRESSURE much more than tire temps. In solo, we found that increm=
ents of .5 pounds mattered. But that's mostly due to how fast the tires nee=
d to heat up and kool down. A pound or so in vintage road racing seems to b=
e good enough. That said, the best handling for me in my TR6 with TDR's is =
around 28 PSI hot. I adjust the cold temps based on pressure gain based on =
ambient temps and my first practice session at any track. I've been told by=
 the guys at KTR that my hot pressures are probably too high, but I dropped=
 them a lot and all I got was more tire rollover and not faster laps. But t=
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i got mine from the local go-kart parts supplier for about $50 and the kit
included a couple of spare probe pins (which you will bend!)

Terry

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<div dir=3D"ltr">i got mine from the local go-kart parts supplier for about=
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recommendations for a mid priced unit, or even better if anyone has or <br>
knows of a good used one for sale.<br>
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