Subject: Re: [Fot] Rebuild

From: ralph hansen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 13:01:36 +0000 (UTC)

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 sorry to see - certainly looks like pre-ignition/detonation damage - timin=
g too far advanced/bad or low octane gas/too lean (most likely from the loo=
ks of the pistons)
Arias or Venolia for pistons and pins
Carrillo for the rods=C2=A0
Total Seal Gapless rings
if the bores are not too bad you might get away with pistons, bearings ring=
s etc

    On Sunday, May 2, 2021, 07:01:36 AM CDT, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot@autox.=
team.net> wrote: =20
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 Hello Everyone,
I am a new member and new to racing Spitfires.=C2=A0 In fact, my first expe=
rience with racing, competition school in Waterford MI, didn't=C2=A0 end we=
ll for my engine (see attachment).
I am planning to rebuild an extra small journal 1300 and I am requesting ad=
vise from the very knowledgeable people on this site.=C2=A0 I have all the =
spare engine parts I could ever need and a great machine shop near by so ma=
inly I am interested on advice on where to buy parts( pistons, rods ,rings =
etc..).
There are many sources on the internet but since I have never built one of =
these before I am interested in your input.
Also, while I'm at it, I would like to improve my transmission and rearend.=
=C2=A0 I am open to anything from minor improvement to a complete swap of m=
y transmission or rearend.
Thanks for you help.

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ks like pre-ignition/detonation damage - timing too far advanced/bad or low=
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MI, didn't&nbsp; end well for my engine (see attachment).</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>I am planning to rebuild an extra small journal 1300 and I am reque=
sting advise from the very knowledgeable people on this site.&nbsp; I have =
all the spare engine parts I could ever need and a great machine shop near =
by so mainly I am interested on advice on where to buy parts( pistons, rods=
 ,rings etc..).</div><div><br></div><div>There are many sources on the inte=
rnet but since I have never built one of these before I am interested in yo=
ur input.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, while I'm at it, I would like to i=
mprove my transmission and rearend.&nbsp; I am open to anything from minor =
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Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 14:35:13 +0000 (UTC)

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  Welcome Rod, looks like you got baptized into the cult of racing TRs...!T=
hat engine probably has more wrong with it than the obvious hole in the pis=
ton and 0-ring seal damage between #1 & 2.The 1st thing that you might do i=
s to read all of the late, great Kas Ks books, all you could ever want to k=
now about Spitfires.
Re spare engine, just a few points-I would go with a conservative mild-spec=
 engine to start with so you can get some seat time; doing a full-race spec=
 will guarantee that you spend more time in the pits than on track.The rear=
 gear ratio will determine RPM range, so if it has a 4.10 it'll be pretty "=
buzzy", =3D shorter service life.
As mentioned, use good parts, rods, pistons, bearings, etc.Pay very close a=
ttention to clearances during assembly.Balance all recip & rotating.
Crank thrust is weak area, several mods can be done.I advise accusump & obe=
rg be fitted.Crack-check the crank on a regular basis, TBD by RPM range you=
 run.Driveline-The gearbox is a POS.Use GT-6 gears for good ratio but it's =
still a POS.Driveshafts are VERY sensitive to imbalance, make sure it's don=
e right.
NOTE-Rear axles are more important than ANYTHING else on a racing Spitfire,=
 when one breaks you're likely going over, and we have numerous members of =
that club right here.
I wouldn't consider putting a Spit on track for serious competition w/stock=
 axles, and the availability of replacements is limited.
Also once all is done get the car on a good maintenance & inspection progra=
m.
Just a few points to consider that may help maximize track time, hope it he=
lps, others will jump in with more.
Glen Efinger
ps- attaching a copy of my checklist, don't know if it will work, if not em=
ail me if you want a copy
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From: Rod Pierce via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2021 7:57 am
Subject: [Fot] Rebuild

Hello Everyone,

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<div> <font size="2">Welcome Rod, looks like you got baptized into the cult of racing TRs...!</font></div>

<div><font size="2">That engine probably has more wrong with it than the obvious hole in the piston and 0-ring seal damage between #1 &amp; 2.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">The 1st thing that you might do is to read all of the late, great Kas Ks books, all you could ever want to know about Spitfires.<br>
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<div><font size="2">Re spare engine, just a few points-</font></div>

<div><font size="2">I
 would go with a conservative mild-spec engine to start with so you can 
get some seat time; doing a full-race spec will guarantee that you spend
 more time in the pits than on track.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">The rear gear ratio will determine RPM range, so if it has a 4.10 it'll be pretty "buzzy", = shorter service life.<br>
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<div><font size="2">As mentioned, use good parts, rods, pistons, bearings, etc.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Pay very close attention to clearances during assembly.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Balance all recip &amp; rotating.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Crank thrust is weak area, several mods can be done.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">I advise accusump &amp; oberg be fitted.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Crack-check the crank on a regular basis, TBD by RPM range you run.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Driveline-</font></div>

<div><font size="2">The gearbox is a POS.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Use GT-6 gears for good ratio but it's still a POS.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Driveshafts are VERY sensitive to imbalance, make sure it's done right.</font></div>

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<div><font size="2">NOTE-</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Rear
 axles are more important than ANYTHING else on a racing Spitfire, when 
one breaks you're likely going over, and we have numerous members of 
that club right here.<br>
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<div><font size="2">I wouldn't 
consider putting a Spit on track for serious competition w/stock axles, 
and the availability of replacements is limited.</font></div>

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<div><font size="2">Also</font><font size="2"> once all is done g</font><font size="2"><font size="2">et the car on a good maintenance &amp; inspection program.</font></font></div>

<div><font size="2"><br>
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<div><font size="2">Just a few points to consider that may help maximize track time, hope it helps, others will jump in with more.</font></div>

<div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Glen Efinger<br>
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<font size="2">ps- attaching a copy of my checklist, don't know if it will work, if not email me if you want a copy<br>
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From: Rod Pierce via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2021 7:57 am<br>
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<div>I am a new member and new to racing Spitfires.&nbsp; In fact, my first experience with racing, competition school in Waterford MI, didn't&nbsp; end well for my engine (see attachment).</div>

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<div>I am planning to rebuild an extra small journal 1300 and I am requesting advise from the very knowledgeable people on this site.&nbsp; I have all the spare engine parts I could ever need and a great machine shop near by so mainly I am interested on advice on where to buy parts( pistons, rods ,rings etc..).</div>

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<div>There are many sources on the internet but since I have never built one of these before I am interested in your input.</div>

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<div>Also, while I'm at it, I would like to improve my transmission and rearend.&nbsp; I am open to anything from minor improvement to a complete swap of my transmission or rearend.</div>

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The first and most important thing on a 1300 is to make the middle oil =
feed passage larger. It serves cylinders 2 and 3 while the other two oil =
passages (front and rear) serve only 1 cylinder. You will end up with a =
grenade going off in your race engine eventually if that one thing is =
not done. Ask me how I know.
I wish I=E2=80=99d known that fact beforehand.

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> On May 2, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Rod Pierce via Fot <[email-masked]> =
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> Hello Everyone,
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> I am a new member and new to racing Spitfires.  In fact, my first =
experience with racing, competition school in Waterford MI, didn't  end =
well for my engine (see attachment).
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> I am planning to rebuild an extra small journal 1300 and I am =
requesting advise from the very knowledgeable people on this site.  I =
have all the spare engine parts I could ever need and a great machine =
shop near by so mainly I am interested on advice on where to buy parts( =
pistons, rods ,rings etc..).
>=20
> There are many sources on the internet but since I have never built =
one of these before I am interested in your input.
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> Also, while I'm at it, I would like to improve my transmission and =
rearend.  I am open to anything from minor improvement to a complete =
swap of my transmission or rearend.
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class=3D"">The first and most important thing on a 1300 is to make the =
middle oil feed passage larger. It serves cylinders 2 and 3 while the =
other two oil passages (front and rear) serve only 1 cylinder. You will =
end up with a grenade going off in your race engine eventually if that =
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competition school in Waterford MI, didn't&nbsp; end well for my engine =
(see attachment).</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">I am planning to rebuild =
an extra small journal 1300 and I am requesting advise from the very =
knowledgeable people on this site.&nbsp; I have all the spare engine =
parts I could ever need and a great machine shop near by so mainly I am =
interested on advice on where to buy parts( pistons, rods ,rings =
etc..).</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">There are many sources on the internet but since =
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dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Also, while I'm at it, I would like to improve =
my transmission and rearend.&nbsp; I am open to anything from minor =
improvement to a complete swap of my transmission or rearend.</div><div =
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Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 17:30:29 +0000 (UTC)

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From: Bud Rolofson via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: Rod Pierce <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2021 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Rebuild

The first and most important thing on a 1300 is to make the middle oil feed=
 passage larger. It serves cylinders 2 and 3 while the other two oil passag=
es (front and rear) serve only 1 cylinder. You will end up with a grenade g=
oing off in your race engine eventually if that one thing is not done. Ask =
me how I know.I wish I=E2=80=99d known that fact beforehand.
Bud

On May 2, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Rod Pierce via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
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To: Rod Pierce &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2021 12:13 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Rebuild<br>
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<div>The first and most important thing on a 1300 is to make the middle oil=
 feed passage larger. It serves cylinders 2 and 3 while the other two oil p=
assages (front and rear) serve only 1 cylinder. You will end up with a gren=
ade going off in your race engine eventually if that one thing is not done.=
 Ask me how I know.
<div class=3D"yiv6634372391">I wish I=E2=80=99d known that fact beforehand.=
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<div class=3D"yiv6634372391">On May 2, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Rod Pierce via Fot=
 &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv6634372391" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.=
team.net" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noref=
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<div class=3D"yiv6634372391">Hello Everyone,
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iv>

<div class=3D"yiv6634372391">I am a new member and new to racing Spitfires.=
&nbsp; In fact, my first experience with racing, competition school in Wate=
rford MI, didn't&nbsp; end well for my engine (see attachment).</div>

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iv>

<div class=3D"yiv6634372391">I am planning to rebuild an extra small journa=
l 1300 and I am requesting advise from the very knowledgeable people on thi=
s site.&nbsp; I have all the spare engine parts I could ever need and a gre=
at machine shop near by so mainly I am interested on advice on where to buy=
 parts( pistons, rods ,rings etc..).</div>

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iv>

<div class=3D"yiv6634372391">There are many sources on the internet but sin=
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<div class=3D"yiv6634372391">Also, while I'm at it, I would like to improve=
 my transmission and rearend.&nbsp; I am open to anything from minor improv=
ement to a complete swap of my transmission or rearend.</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6634372391">Thanks for you help.</div>

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