Subject: Re: [Fot] Float needle valves

From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 12:02:51 -0400

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Thanks, Erik and Joe;
Good to know.
I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal flooding. Won=E2=80=99=
t use those again!
Phil

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> On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen <[email-masked]> wrote:=

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> Phil,
> I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race cars and haven't=
 had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 years in the race c=
ar, I still haven't had a problem.
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> Jake
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> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
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> Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the spring loaded b=
all on the end of the float needle.  I suspected some flow issues and others=
 had said that they had issues.  JoeB
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> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
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> Anyone have experience with needle valves that do not have the spring load=
ed contact where the needle valve rests on the float? Is a solid one better,=
 worse, or require different set up?
> Phil Gott
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks, Erik and Joe;<div>Good to know.</di=
v><div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal flooding. Won=E2=
=80=99t use those again!</div><div>Phil<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my=
 iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2021,=
 at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></bl=
ockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div clas=
s=3D"ydp4ae4f1e8yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helve=
tica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Phil,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">I use the plain old solid needles in both street and ra=
ce cars and haven't had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7=
 years in the race car, I still haven't had a problem.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jake=
</div><div><br></div>
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                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruc=
h via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which h=
ave the spring loaded ball on the end of the float needle.&nbsp; I suspected=
 some flow issues and others had said that they had issues.&nbsp; JoeB</div>=
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                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott=
 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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xperience with needle valves that do not have the spring loaded contact wher=
e the needle valve rests on the float? Is a solid one better, worse, or requ=
ire different set up?<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Phil Gott<br c=
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From: Gary Schneider via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:33:22 +0000 (UTC)

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 That was my only experience with Grose jets too, even with a fuel pressure=
 regulator set low. Seemed like a decent idea conceptually but didn't work =
well in practice. Possibly their comparatively large seating area makes the=
 float pressure inadequate to hold off the fuel pressure?Gary

    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:03:22 AM CDT, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =20
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 Thanks, Erik and Joe;Good to know.I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open wi=
th some royal flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!Phil

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF Phil,I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race ca=
rs and haven't had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 yea=
rs in the race car, I still haven't had a problem.
Jake
    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
  Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the spring loaded =
ball on the end of the float needle.=C2=A0 I suspected some flow issues and=
 others had said that they had issues.=C2=A0 JoeB
    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 Anyone have experience with needle valves that do not have the spring load=
ed contact where the needle valve rests on the float? Is a solid one better=
, worse, or require different set up?
Phil Gott

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">That was my only experience =
with Grose jets too, even with a fuel pressure regulator set low. Seemed li=
ke a decent idea conceptually but didn't work well in practice. Possibly th=
eir comparatively large seating area makes the float pressure inadequate to=
 hold off the fuel pressure?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Ga=
ry<br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:03:22 AM CDT, Phil Got=
t via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp2f5cc39dyiv4947510717"><div>Thanks, Erik=
 and Joe;<div>Good to know.</div><div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open=
 with some royal flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!</div><div>Phil<br=
 clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"ydp2f5cc39dyiv4947510717yqt4225759256" id=
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=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen &lt;kekjacobsen@yahoo=
.com&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div></d=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old so=
lid needles in both street and race cars and haven't had any issues. They d=
o wear out eventually, but after 7 years in the race car, I still haven't h=
ad a problem.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Jake</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boru=
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 Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which =
have the spring loaded ball on the end of the float needle.&nbsp; I suspect=
ed some flow issues and others had said that they had issues.&nbsp; JoeB</d=
iv><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Got=
t via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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53267718yqtfd88992"><div dir=3D"ltr">Anyone have experience with needle val=
ves that do not have the spring loaded contact where the needle valve rests=
 on the float? Is a solid one better, worse, or require different set up?<b=
r clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Phil Gott<br clear=3D"none"></div><=
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:37:52 +0000 (UTC)

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NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New old style fl=
oats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip..check your float =
direction for best perf....meaning , are you having brake to accel. probs o=
n heavy brake corners?=C2=A0 You prob have each float facing toward center.=
..not best....Solved by making both floats face same direction(frt. or back=
)....rick=C2=A0In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Ti=
me, [email-masked] writes:=C2=A0
Thanks, Erik and Joe;Good to know.I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open wit=
h some royal flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!Phil

Sent from my iPhone

=C2=A0Phil,I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race cars a=
nd haven't had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 years i=
n the race car, I still haven't had a problem.=C2=A0Jake=C2=A0On Wednesday,=
 March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which ha=
ve the spring loaded ball on the end of the float needle.=C2=A0 I suspected=
 some flow issues and others had said that they had issues.=C2=A0 JoeB=C2=
=A0On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:=C2=A0=C2=A0Anyone have experience with needle valves t=
hat do not have the spring loaded contact where the needle valve rests on t=
he float? Is a solid one better, worse, or require different set up?Phil Go=
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0pt; color: #000000;">NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use=
 GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open and close.....heres a =
tip..check your float direction for best perf....meaning , are you having b=
rake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?&nbsp; You prob have each float=
 facing toward center...not best....Solved by making both floats face same =
direction(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
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eam.net writes:
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<div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
<div>Good to know.</div>
<div>I&rsquo;ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal flooding. Won&rsqu=
o;t use those again!</div>
<div>Phil<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
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oo.com&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race =
cars and haven't had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 y=
ears in the race car, I still haven't had a problem.</div>
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<div>On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot &lt;=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the=
 spring loaded ball on the end of the float needle.&nbsp; I suspected some =
flow issues and others had said that they had issues.&nbsp; JoeB</div>
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solid one better, worse, or require different set up?</div>
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