Subject: Re: [Fot] Float needle valves

From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 14:22:47 -0400

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Yup.
Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft, meaning t=
he pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the car we first t=
ried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns by increasing the fuel pre=
ssure, which just made things worse. Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft=
 floats works well.
Thanks.,
Phil=20

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> On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New old style f=
loats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip..check your float d=
irection for best perf....meaning , are you having brake to accel. probs on h=
eavy brake corners?  You prob have each float facing toward center...not bes=
t....Solved by making both floats face same direction(frt. or back)....rick
> =20
> In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, fot@autox.=
team.net writes:
> =20
> Thanks, Erik and Joe;
> Good to know.
> I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal flooding. Won=E2=80=99=
t use those again!
> Phil
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> =20
> Phil,
> I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race cars and haven't=
 had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 years in the race c=
ar, I still haven't had a problem.
> =20
> Jake
> =20
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> =20
> Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the spring loaded b=
all on the end of the float needle.  I suspected some flow issues and others=
 had said that they had issues.  JoeB
> =20
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> Anyone have experience with needle valves that do not have the spring load=
ed contact where the needle valve rests on the float? Is a solid one better,=
 worse, or require different set up?
> Phil Gott
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Yup.<div>Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=
=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft, meaning the pivot points across the car. WIth=
 pivots at an angle to the car we first tried to overcome the apparent starv=
ation in turns by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse=
. Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div><div>Thank=
s.,</div><div>Phil&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, r=
ek46 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bl=
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use G=
OOD/New old style floats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip=
..check your float direction for best perf....meaning , are you having brake=
 to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?&nbsp; You prob have each float faci=
ng toward center...not best....Solved by making both floats face same direct=
ion(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
<div>Good to know.</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal flooding. Won=E2=80=
=99t use those again!</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race c=
ars and haven't had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 yea=
rs in the race car, I still haven't had a problem.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the s=
pring loaded ball on the end of the float needle.&nbsp; I suspected some flo=
w issues and others had said that they had issues.&nbsp; JoeB</div>
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id one better, worse, or require different set up?</div>
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With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting at the 
front and another at the back.  Any other orientation resulted in 
weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to stomp the gas.

Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any fuel 
pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7 psi (more 
than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).

- Tony Drews

On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:
> Yup.
> Had that problem. Floats must “face” fore and aft, meaning the pivot 
> points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the car we first 
> tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns by increasing the 
> fuel pressure, which just made things worse. Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 
> psi and fore/aft floats works well.
> Thanks.,
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New old 
>> style floats....you need positive open and close.....heres a 
>> tip..check your float direction for best perf....meaning , are you 
>> having brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?  You prob have 
>> each float facing toward center...not best....Solved by making both 
>> floats face same direction(frt. or back)....rick
>> In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>> [email-masked] writes:
>>
>>     Thanks, Erik and Joe;
>>     Good to know.
>>     I’ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal flooding. Won’t use
>>     those again!
>>     Phil
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>         On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen
>>         <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>         Phil,
>>         I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race
>>         cars and haven't had any issues. They do wear out eventually,
>>         but after 7 years in the race car, I still haven't had a problem.
>>         Jake
>>         On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via
>>         Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>         Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the
>>         spring loaded ball on the end of the float needle.  I
>>         suspected some flow issues and others had said that they had
>>         issues. JoeB
>>         On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott via
>>         Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>         Anyone have experience with needle valves that do not have
>>         the spring loaded contact where the needle valve rests on the
>>         float? Is a solid one better, worse, or require different set up?
>>         Phil Gott
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    <p>With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting
      at the front and another at the back.  Any other orientation
      resulted in weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to
      stomp the gas.</p>
    <p>Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any
      fuel pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7
      psi (more than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).<br>
    </p>
    <p>- Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot
      wrote:<br>
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      Yup.
      <div>Had that problem. Floats must “face” fore and aft, meaning
        the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the
        car we first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns
        by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse.
        Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div>
      <div>Thanks.,</div>
      <div>Phil <br>
        <br>
        <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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                    sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">NO
                    GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use
                    GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open
                    and close.....heres a tip..check your float
                    direction for best perf....meaning , are you having
                    brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?  You
                    prob have each float facing toward center...not
                    best....Solved by making both floats face same
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                    <div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
                      <div>Good to know.</div>
                      <div>I’ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal
                        flooding. Won’t use those again!</div>
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                                <div dir="ltr">I use the plain old solid
                                  needles in both street and race cars
                                  and haven't had any issues. They do
                                  wear out eventually, but after 7 years
                                  in the race car, I still haven't had a
                                  problem.</div>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">Phil, years ago
                                            I stopped using Gross Jets,
                                            which have the spring loaded
                                            ball on the end of the float
                                            needle.  I suspected some
                                            flow issues and others had
                                            said that they had issues. 
                                            JoeB</div>
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                                                  solid one better,
                                                  worse, or require
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 Tony,Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're t=
iny compared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.=C2=A0
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With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting at the fr=
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ure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7 psi (more than we w=
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e first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns by increasing th=
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 =EF=BB=BF   NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New=
 old style floats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip..chec=
k your float direction for best perf....meaning , are you having brake to a=
ccel. probs on heavy brake corners?=C2=A0 You prob have each float facing t=
oward center...not best....Solved by making both floats face same direction=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Tony,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (e=
ven if they're tiny compared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back=
 pivot.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>
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    <p>With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting
      at the front and another at the back.&nbsp; Any other orientation
      resulted in weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to
      stomp the gas.</p>
    <p>Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any
      fuel pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7
      psi (more than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>- Tony Drews<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div class=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqt9860963070" id=3D"ydp229c9148y=
iv8384753712yqtfd74851"><div class=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712moz-cite-pref=
ix">On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot
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0963070" id=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd26618"></div><div><div class=3D=
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21111">
      Yup.
      <div>Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and af=
t, meaning
        the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the
        car we first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns
        by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse.
        Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div>
      <div>Thanks.,</div>
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            via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712moz-=
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f;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">NO
                    GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use
                    GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open
                    and close.....heres a tip..check your float
                    direction for best perf....meaning , are you having
                    brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?&nbsp; You
                    prob have each float facing toward center...not
                    best....Solved by making both floats face same
                    direction(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
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              In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard
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                    <div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
                      <div>Good to know.</div>
                      <div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some =
royal
                        flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!</div>
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                            <blockquote>On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM,
                              Erik Jacobsen
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                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old solid
                                  needles in both street and race cars
                                  and haven't had any issues. They do
                                  wear out eventually, but after 7 years
                                  in the race car, I still haven't had a
                                  problem.</div>
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                                    10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot
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                                          <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago
                                            I stopped using Gross Jets,
                                            which have the spring loaded
                                            ball on the end of the float
                                            needle.&nbsp; I suspected some
                                            flow issues and others had
                                            said that they had issues.&nbsp=
;
                                            JoeB</div>
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                                                  needle valves that do
                                                  not have the spring
                                                  loaded contact where
                                                  the needle valve rests
                                                  on the float? Is a
                                                  solid one better,
                                                  worse, or require
                                                  different set up?</div>
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