Subject: Re: [Fot] Float needle valves

From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 17:54:48 -0400

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Thanks, everyone!
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
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> Tony,
> Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny c=
ompared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.=20
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> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
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> With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting at the f=
ront and another at the back.  Any other orientation resulted in weirdness a=
fter hard braking, right when you want to stomp the gas.
>=20
> Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any fuel pres=
sure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7 psi (more than we w=
anted, but fighting the doggone regulators).
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> - Tony Drews
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> On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:
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> Yup.
> Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft, meaning=
 the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the car we firs=
t tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns by increasing the fuel p=
ressure, which just made things worse. Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/a=
ft floats works well.
> Thanks.,
> Phil=20
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>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New old style f=
loats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip..check your float d=
irection for best perf....meaning , are you having brake to accel. probs on h=
eavy brake corners?  You prob have each float facing toward center...not bes=
t....Solved by making both floats face same direction(frt. or back)....rick
>> =20
>> In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, fot@autox=
.team.net writes:
>> =20
>> Thanks, Erik and Joe;
>> Good to know.
>> I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal flooding. Won=E2=80=
=99t use those again!
>> Phil
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>=20
>> =20
>> Phil,
>> I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race cars and haven'=
t had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 years in the race=
 car, I still haven't had a problem.
>> =20
>> Jake
>> =20
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the spring loaded b=
all on the end of the float needle.  I suspected some flow issues and others=
 had said that they had issues.  JoeB
>> =20
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>> =20
>> =20
>> Anyone have experience with needle valves that do not have the spring loa=
ded contact where the needle valve rests on the float? Is a solid one better=
, worse, or require different set up?
>> Phil Gott
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks, everyone!<div>Phil<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite=
">On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"l=
tr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydpe19524e3yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family=
:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Tony,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (eve=
n if they're tiny compared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pi=
vot.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>
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                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Drew=
s via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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    <p>With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting
      at the front and another at the back.&nbsp; Any other orientation
      resulted in weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to
      stomp the gas.</p>
    <p>Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any
      fuel pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7
      psi (more than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>- Tony Drews<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div class=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqt9860963070" id=3D"ydp229c9148yi=
v8384753712yqtfd74851"><div class=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712moz-cite-prefix=
">On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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      </blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqt9860=
963070" id=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd26618"></div><div><div class=3D"y=
dp229c9148yiv8384753712yqt9860963070" id=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd211=
11">
      Yup.
      <div>Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft=
, meaning
        the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the
        car we first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns
        by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse.
        Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div>
      <div>Thanks.,</div>
      <div>Phil&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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          <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46
            via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712moz-t=
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              <div class=3D"ydp229c9148yiv8384753712userEdit" style=3D"font-=
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                <div><span style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">NO
                    GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use
                    GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open
                    and close.....heres a tip..check your float
                    direction for best perf....meaning , are you having
                    brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?&nbsp; You
                    prob have each float facing toward center...not
                    best....Solved by making both floats face same
                    direction(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
                <div><span style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">&nbsp;</span></div>
              </div>
              In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard
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                    <div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
                      <div>Good to know.</div>
                      <div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some r=
oyal
                        flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!</div>
                      <div>Phil<br clear=3D"none">
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                            <blockquote>On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM,
                              Erik Jacobsen
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                                <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old solid
                                  needles in both street and race cars
                                  and haven't had any issues. They do
                                  wear out eventually, but after 7 years
                                  in the race car, I still haven't had a
                                  problem.</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Jake</div>
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                                          <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago
                                            I stopped using Gross Jets,
                                            which have the spring loaded
                                            ball on the end of the float
                                            needle.&nbsp; I suspected some
                                            flow issues and others had
                                            said that they had issues.&nbsp;=

                                            JoeB</div>
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                                              <div>On Wednesday, March
                                                17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM
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                                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Anyone
                                                  have experience with
                                                  needle valves that do
                                                  not have the spring
                                                  loaded contact where
                                                  the needle valve rests
                                                  on the float? Is a
                                                  solid one better,
                                                  worse, or require
                                                  different set up?</div>
                                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil Gott</=
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Unfortunately I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid needles
for certain SUs and spring loaded for others.
Bruce Stutzman

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 5:58 PM Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Thanks, everyone!
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> Tony,
> Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny
> compared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting at the
> front and another at the back.  Any other orientation resulted in weirdne=
ss
> after hard braking, right when you want to stomp the gas.
>
> Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any fuel
> pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7 psi (more th=
an
> we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).
>
> - Tony Drews
> Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft, meanin=
g the pivot
> points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the car we first tried =
to
> overcome the apparent starvation in turns by increasing the fuel pressure=
,
> which just made things worse. Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft
> floats works well.
> Thanks.,
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46 via Fot <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New old style
> floats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip..check your
> float direction for best perf....meaning , are you having brake to accel.
> probs on heavy brake corners?  You prob have each float facing toward
> center...not best....Solved by making both floats face same direction(frt=
.
> or back)....rick
>
> In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
>
>
> Thanks, Erik and Joe;
> Good to know.
=99t use those
> again!
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> Phil,
t
> had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 years in the rac=
e
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot
> <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the spring loaded
> ball on the end of the float needle.  I suspected some flow issues and
> others had said that they had issues.  JoeB
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot
> <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
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> Anyone have experience with needle valves that do not have the spring
> loaded contact where the needle valve rests on the float? Is a solid one
> better, worse, or require different set up?
> Phil Gott
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Unfortunately=C2=A0I don&#39;t remember which, but Joe Cur=
to specifies solid needles for certain SUs and spring loaded for others.<di=
v>Bruce Stutzman</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 5:58 PM Phil Gott via Fot &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">=
Thanks, everyone!<div>Phil<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM=
, Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><block=
quote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></d=
iv>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Tony,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, same scenario in=
 my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they&#39;re tiny compared to your TR-=
4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yahoo_quote=
d_6411972549">
            <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Dre=
ws via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fot@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
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                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yiv8=
384753712"><div>
    <p>With the SU&#39;s with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivotin=
g
      at the front and another at the back.=C2=A0 Any other orientation
      resulted in weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to
      stomp the gas.</p>
    <p>Another vote against grose jets, they couldn&#39;t handle hardly any
      fuel pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7
      psi (more than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>- Tony Drews<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd748=
51"><div>On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp22=
9c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd26618"></div><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222=
498351ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd21111">
      Yup.
      <div>Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and af=
t, meaning
        the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the
        car we first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns
        by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse.
        Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div>
      <div>Thanks.,</div>
      <div>Phil=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
        <br clear=3D"none">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46
            via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br c=
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          <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
            <div>
              <div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                <div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">NO
                    GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use
                    GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open
                    and close.....heres a tip..check your float
                    direction for best perf....meaning , are you having
                    brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?=C2=A0 You
                    prob have each float facing toward center...not
                    best....Solved by making both floats face same
                    direction(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
                <div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">=C2=A0</span></div>
              </div>
              In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard
              Time, <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> writes:
              <div>=C2=A0</div>
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r-left:2px solid blue">
                  <div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yiv8384=
753712">
                    <div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
                      <div>Good to know.</div>
                      <div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some =
royal
                        flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!</div>
                      <div>Phil<br clear=3D"none">
                        <br clear=3D"none">
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">
                          <div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c914=
8yiv8384753712yqtfd75834"><br clear=3D"none">
                            <blockquote>On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM,
                              Erik Jacobsen
                              <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:kekjacobsen@=
yahoo.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
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                        <div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148y=
iv8384753712yqtfd12026">
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                                <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old solid
                                  needles in both street and race cars
                                  and haven&#39;t had any issues. They do
                                  wear out eventually, but after 7 years
                                  in the race car, I still haven&#39;t had =
a
                                  problem.</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Jake</div>
                                <div>=C2=A0</div>
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                                  <div>On Wednesday, March 17, 2021,
                                    10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot
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tox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
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                                  <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                  <div>=C2=A0</div>
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vetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                                          <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                          <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago
                                            I stopped using Gross Jets,
                                            which have the spring loaded
                                            ball on the end of the float
                                            needle.=C2=A0 I suspected some
                                            flow issues and others had
                                            said that they had issues.=C2=
=A0
                                            JoeB</div>
                                          <div>=C2=A0</div>
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                                              <div>On Wednesday, March
                                                17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM
                                                EDT, Phil Gott via Fot
                                                <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"m=
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                                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Anyone
                                                  have experience with
                                                  needle valves that do
                                                  not have the spring
                                                  loaded contact where
                                                  the needle valve rests
                                                  on the float? Is a
                                                  solid one better,
                                                  worse, or require
                                                  different set up?</div>
                                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil Gott<=
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