Subject: Re: [Fot] Float needle valves

From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 21:38:52 -0400

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Yes. I don=E2=80=99t really understand why the little spring is used, which i=
s why I asked. Joe told me the same thing but not why....
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Bruce Stutzman <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Unfortunately I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid needle=
s for certain SUs and spring loaded for others.
> Bruce Stutzman
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>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 5:58 PM Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>> Thanks, everyone!
>> Phil
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> Tony,
>>> Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny=
 compared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.=20
>>>=20
>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting at the=
 front and another at the back.  Any other orientation resulted in weirdness=
 after hard braking, right when you want to stomp the gas.
>>>=20
>>> Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any fuel pr=
essure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7 psi (more than we=
 wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).
>>>=20
>>> - Tony Drews
>>>=20
>>> On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Yup.
>>> Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft, meani=
ng the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the car we fi=
rst tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns by increasing the fue=
l pressure, which just made things worse. Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and for=
e/aft floats works well.
>>> Thanks.,
>>> Phil=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>> NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New old styl=
e floats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip..check your flo=
at direction for best perf....meaning , are you having brake to accel. probs=
 on heavy brake corners?  You prob have each float facing toward center...no=
t best....Solved by making both floats face same direction(frt. or back)....=
rick
>>>> =20
>>>> In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, fot@aut=
ox.team.net writes:
>>>> =20
>>>> Thanks, Erik and Joe;
>>>> Good to know.
>>>> I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal flooding. Won=E2=80=
=99t use those again!
>>>> Phil
>>>>=20
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>=20
>>>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>> Phil,
>>>> I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race cars and have=
n't had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 years in the ra=
ce car, I still haven't had a problem.
>>>> =20
>>>> Jake
>>>> =20
>>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the spring loade=
d ball on the end of the float needle.  I suspected some flow issues and oth=
ers had said that they had issues.  JoeB
>>>> =20
>>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Anyone have experience with needle valves that do not have the spring l=
oaded contact where the needle valve rests on the float? Is a solid one bett=
er, worse, or require different set up?
>>>> Phil Gott
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Yes. I don=E2=80=99t really understand why t=
he little spring is used, which is why I asked. Joe told me the same thing b=
ut not why....<div>Phil<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Bru=
ce Stutzman &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Unfortunate=
ly&nbsp;I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid needles for ce=
rtain SUs and spring loaded for others.<div>Bruce Stutzman</div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 1=
7, 2021 at 5:58 PM Phil Gott via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks, everyone!<div>Phil<br><br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite">On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Tony,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, same scenario in m=
y Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny compared to your TR-4 carbs=
), one front pivot, one back pivot.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yahoo_quoted=
_6411972549">
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rial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
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                <div>
                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Drew=
s via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fot@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
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                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yiv83=
84753712"><div>
    <p>With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting
      at the front and another at the back.&nbsp; Any other orientation
      resulted in weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to
      stomp the gas.</p>
    <p>Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any
      fuel pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7
      psi (more than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>- Tony Drews<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd7485=
1"><div>On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229=
c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd26618"></div><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-226553318122249=
8351ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd21111">
      Yup.
      <div>Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft=
, meaning
        the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the
        car we first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns
        by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse.
        Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div>
      <div>Thanks.,</div>
      <div>Phil&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
        <br clear=3D"none">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46
            via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br cle=
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              <div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size=
:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                <div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">NO
                    GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use
                    GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open
                    and close.....heres a tip..check your float
                    direction for best perf....meaning , are you having
                    brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?&nbsp; You
                    prob have each float facing toward center...not
                    best....Solved by making both floats face same
                    direction(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
                <div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&nbsp;</span></div>
              </div>
              In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard
              Time, <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> writes:
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                    <div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
                      <div>Good to know.</div>
                      <div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some r=
oyal
                        flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!</div>
                      <div>Phil<br clear=3D"none">
                        <br clear=3D"none">
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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                            <blockquote>On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM,
                              Erik Jacobsen
                              <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:kekjacobsen@y=
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                                <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old solid
                                  needles in both street and race cars
                                  and haven't had any issues. They do
                                  wear out eventually, but after 7 years
                                  in the race car, I still haven't had a
                                  problem.</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Jake</div>
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                                  <div>On Wednesday, March 17, 2021,
                                    10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot
                                    <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
ox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</=
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                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
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                                          <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago
                                            I stopped using Gross Jets,
                                            which have the spring loaded
                                            ball on the end of the float
                                            needle.&nbsp; I suspected some
                                            flow issues and others had
                                            said that they had issues.&nbsp;=

                                            JoeB</div>
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                                              <div>On Wednesday, March
                                                17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM
                                                EDT, Phil Gott via Fot
                                                <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"ma=
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                                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Anyone
                                                  have experience with
                                                  needle valves that do
                                                  not have the spring
                                                  loaded contact where
                                                  the needle valve rests
                                                  on the float? Is a
                                                  solid one better,
                                                  worse, or require
                                                  different set up?</div>
                                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil Gott</=
div>
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Maybe the spring is there to even out the pressure on the needle/valve seat=
 surface when the fuel is agitating on the float . In doing so the plastic =
end on the needle doesn't wear out but higher fuel pressure can easily lift=
 the needle off the seat. I believe this is useful for a road car but not f=
or a race car.=20
Marcel.=20

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Float needle valves=20

Yes. I don=E2=80=99t really understand why the little spring is used, which=
 is why I asked. Joe told me the same thing but not why....=20
Phil=20

Sent from my iPhone=20

On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Bruce Stutzman <[email-masked]> wrote:=20

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Unfortunately I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid needles=
 for certain SUs and spring loaded for others.=20
Bruce Stutzman=20

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Tony,=20
Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny co=
mpared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.=20

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With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting at the fr=
ont and another at the back. Any other orientation resulted in weirdness af=
ter hard braking, right when you want to stomp the gas.=20

Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any fuel press=
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Yup.=20
Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft, meaning =
the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the car we firs=
t tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns by increasing the fuel=
 pressure, which just made things worse. Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and for=
e/aft floats works well.=20
Thanks.,=20
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NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New old style fl=
oats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip..check your float =
direction for best perf....meaning , are you having brake to accel. probs o=
n heavy brake corners? You prob have each float facing toward center...not =
best....Solved by making both floats face same direction(frt. or back)....r=
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Thanks, Erik and Joe;=20
Good to know.=20
=99t use those again!=20
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Phil,=20
I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race cars and haven't =
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sp; the spring is there to even out the pressure on the needle/valve seat s=
urface when the fuel is agitating on the float . In doing so the plastic en=
d on the needle doesn't wear out but higher fuel pressure can easily lift t=
he needle off the seat. I believe this is useful for a road car but not for=
 a race car.</div><div>Marcel.</div><div><br style=3D"color: #000000; font-=
family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; font-s=
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itial;"><!--EndFragment--></div></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-=
marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"fot" &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Aan: </b>"Bruce Stutzman" &lt;stutztr4@gmai=
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/b>Vrijdag 19 maart 2021 02:38:52<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Float need=
le valves<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__">Yes.=
 I don=E2=80=99t really understand why the little spring is used, which is =
why I asked. Joe told me the same thing but not why....<div>Phil<br><br><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote>On =
Mar 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Bruce Stutzman &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<=
br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Unf=
ortunately&nbsp;I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid needl=
es for certain SUs and spring loaded for others.<div>Bruce Stutzman</div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
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utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">fot@a=
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;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks, everyone!<div>Phil<br><br><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote>On M=
ar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Tony,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, same scenario in=
 my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny compared to your TR-4 ca=
rbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.&nbsp;</div><br>
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                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Dre=
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    <p>With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting
      at the front and another at the back.&nbsp; Any other orientation
      resulted in weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to
      stomp the gas.</p>
    <p>Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any
      fuel pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7
      psi (more than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>- Tony Drews<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd748=
51"><div>On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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9c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd26618"></div><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-2265533181222=
498351ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd21111">
      Yup.
      <div>Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and af=
t, meaning
        the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the
        car we first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns
        by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse.
        Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div>
      <div>Thanks.,</div>
      <div>Phil&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
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s-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 )">NO
                    GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use
                    GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open
                    and close.....heres a tip..check your float
                    direction for best perf....meaning , are you having
                    brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?&nbsp; You
                    prob have each float facing toward center...not
                    best....Solved by making both floats face same
                    direction(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
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                      <div>Good to know.</div>
                      <div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some =
royal
                        flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!</div>
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                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old solid
                                  needles in both street and race cars
                                  and haven't had any issues. They do
                                  wear out eventually, but after 7 years
                                  in the race car, I still haven't had a
                                  problem.</div>
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                                          <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago
                                            I stopped using Gross Jets,
                                            which have the spring loaded
                                            ball on the end of the float
                                            needle.&nbsp; I suspected some
                                            flow issues and others had
                                            said that they had issues.&nbsp=
;
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                                                  needle valves that do
                                                  not have the spring
                                                  loaded contact where
                                                  the needle valve rests
                                                  on the float? Is a
                                                  solid one better,
                                                  worse, or require
                                                  different set up?</div>
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:24:40 +0000 (UTC)

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Marcel;Yes, that could be. =C2=A0I wonder of the viton valve seat needs thi=
s, as there are some viton tipped needles out there with no spring in them.=
 =C2=A0
Just curious at this point. Seems like nothing to worry about for a race ca=
r...
Thanks again,Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Mar 19, 2021 4:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Float needle valves

 Maybe=C2=A0 the spring is there to even out the pressure on the needle/val=
ve seat surface when the fuel is agitating on the float . In doing so the p=
lastic end on the needle doesn't wear out but higher fuel pressure can easi=
ly lift the needle off the seat. I believe this is useful for a road car bu=
t not for a race car.Marcel.

Van: "fot" <[email-masked]>
Aan: "Bruce Stutzman" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "fot" <[email-masked]>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 19 maart 2021 02:38:52
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Float needle valves

Yes. I don=E2=80=99t really understand why the little spring is used, which=
 is why I asked. Joe told me the same thing but not why....Phil

Sent from my iPhone

Unfortunately=C2=A0I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid ne=
edles for certain SUs and spring loaded for others.Bruce Stutzman
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 5:58 PM Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

Thanks, everyone!Phil

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:

 Tony,Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're t=
iny compared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.=C2=A0
    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting at the fr=
ont and another at the back.=C2=A0 Any other orientation resulted in weirdn=
ess after hard braking, right when you want to stomp the gas.
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Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any fuel press=
ure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7 psi (more than we w=
anted, but fighting the doggone regulators).
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aning the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the car w=
e first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns by increasing th=
e fuel pressure, which just made things worse. Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi a=
nd fore/aft floats works well. Thanks., Phil=C2=A0
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    NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New old styl=
e floats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip..check your fl=
oat direction for best perf....meaning , are you having brake to accel. pro=
bs on heavy brake corners?=C2=A0 You prob have each float facing toward cen=
ter...not best....Solved by making both floats face same direction(frt. or =
back)....rick =C2=A0  In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Stan=
dard Time, [email-masked] writes: =C2=A0 =20
  Thanks, Erik and Joe; Good to know. I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open=
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ars and haven't had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 ye=
ars in the race car, I still haven't had a problem. =C2=A0 Jake =C2=A0    O=
n Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0     =C2=A0 Phil, years ago I stopped using =
Gross Jets, which have the spring loaded ball on the end of the float needl=
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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">Marcel;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Yes, that could be. &nbsp;I wonder of the=
 viton valve seat needs this, as there are some viton tipped needles out th=
ere with no spring in them. &nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br></div><div style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Just curiou=
s at this point. Seems like nothing to worry about for a race car...</div><=
div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:bl=
ack;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:10pt;color:black;">Thanks again,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Phil<br><br><br>-----Origi=
nal Message-----<br>From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked].=
net&gt;<br>To: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Fri, Mar 19, 2021 4:=
50 am<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Float needle valves<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv=
6373817627"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-=
serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"><div> <div>Maybe&nbsp; the spring is t=
here to even out the pressure on the needle/valve seat surface when the fue=
l is agitating on the float . In doing so the plastic end on the needle doe=
sn't wear out but higher fuel pressure can easily lift the needle off the s=
eat. I believe this is useful for a road car but not for a race car.</div><=
div>Marcel.</div><div><br clear=3D"none" style=3D"color:#000000;font-family=
:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;font-style:norma=
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dfdfd;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;"></div><=
/div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><hr id=3D"yiv6373817627zwchr"><div><b>Va=
n: </b>"fot" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Aan: </b>"Bruc=
e Stutzman" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc: </b>"fot" &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 19 ma=
art 2021 02:38:52<br clear=3D"none"><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Float needl=
e valves<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Yes. I =
don=E2=80=99t really understand why the little spring is used, which is why=
 I asked. Joe told me the same thing but not why....<div>Phil<br clear=3D"n=
one"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote>On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Bruce =
Stutzman &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"n=
one"></blockquote></div><blockquote><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Unfor=
tunately&nbsp;I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid needles=
 for certain SUs and spring loaded for others.<div>Bruce Stutzman</div></di=
v><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv6373817627gmail_quote"><div class=3D"=
yiv6373817627gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 5:58 PM Phil G=
ott via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@auto=
x.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"yiv6373817627gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex;"><div>Thank=
s, everyone!<div>Phil<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote>O=
n Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow no=
opener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica'=
 , 'arial' , sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Tony,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, same scenario in=
 my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny compared to your TR-4 ca=
rbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.&nbsp;</div><br clear=3D"none">
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        </div><div id=3D"yiv6373817627gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c91=
48yahoo_quoted_6411972549">
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                    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Dre=
ws via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox=
.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"yiv6373817627gmail-m_-2265533181222498351yd=
p229c9148yiv8384753712"><div>
    <p>With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting
      at the front and another at the back.&nbsp; Any other orientation
      resulted in weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to
      stomp the gas.</p>
    <p>Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any
      fuel pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7
      psi (more than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>- Tony Drews<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div id=3D"yiv6373817627gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yiv83847=
53712yqtfd74851"><div>On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote>
      </blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"yiv6373817627gmail-m_-22655331812=
22498351ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd26618"></div><div><div id=3D"yiv637381=
7627gmail-m_-2265533181222498351ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd21111">
      Yup.
      <div>Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and af=
t, meaning
        the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the
        car we first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns
        by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse.
        Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div>
      <div>Thanks.,</div>
      <div>Phil&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
        <br clear=3D"none">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
          <blockquote>On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46
            via Fot <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@=
autox.team.net">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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              <div style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 );">
                <div><span style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , san=
s-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 );">NO
                    GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use
                    GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open
                    and close.....heres a tip..check your float
                    direction for best perf....meaning , are you having
                    brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners?&nbsp; You
                    prob have each float facing toward center...not
                    best....Solved by making both floats face same
                    direction(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
                <div><span style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , san=
s-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 );">&nbsp;</span></div>
              </div>
              In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard
              Time, <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@=
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                    <div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
                      <div>Good to know.</div>
                      <div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some =
royal
                        flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!</div>
                      <div>Phil<br clear=3D"none">
                        <br clear=3D"none">
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                            <blockquote>On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM,
                              Erik Jacobsen
                              <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
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                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old solid
                                  needles in both street and race cars
                                  and haven't had any issues. They do
                                  wear out eventually, but after 7 years
                                  in the race car, I still haven't had a
                                  problem.</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Jake</div>
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                                  <div>On Wednesday, March 17, 2021,
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                                          <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago
                                            I stopped using Gross Jets,
                                            which have the spring loaded
                                            ball on the end of the float
                                            needle.&nbsp; I suspected some
                                            flow issues and others had
                                            said that they had issues.&nbsp=
;
                                            JoeB</div>
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                                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Anyone
                                                  have experience with
                                                  needle valves that do
                                                  not have the spring
                                                  loaded contact where
                                                  the needle valve rests
                                                  on the float? Is a
                                                  solid one better,
                                                  worse, or require
                                                  different set up?</div>
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