Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat Belts

From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:39:18 -0500

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Speaking of belts, if you use the clip-in style, be sure to insert a cotter o=
r split pin in the moveable latch as a safety measure. The pin keeps the lat=
ch in place if the spring breaks.

Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, greg powell via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
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> My advice would be to purchase belts that meet or exceed the racing organi=
zation's rules and then install them to follow exactly the specifications of=
 the manufacturer.
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> I bet that one anchor point for 2 sub belts is not per manufacturer spec t=
o offer the protection of a 5-point harness only.
> Greg in Oakland, CA
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>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Gary Schneider via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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>> Tony,
>> Gretchen's Mini for 20 years has always had two crotch straps run thru th=
e one seat hole, both secured to one central eyebolt in the floor. No one's e=
ver questioned it (altho I'll grant you an MC tech is not the most persnicke=
ty I've ever seen.)
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>> I notice MC, SCCA, VSCDA, VARA, VRG, RMVR rules all specify 5 or 6-point h=
arnesses. SCCA only includes 7-point. Most recommend above 5 points but none=
 require it.=20
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>> Interestingly, I find no reference in any of the above rules to 6-point h=
arnesses requiring two individual anti-sub attachment points. SCCA specifica=
lly allows attaching anti-sub straps to the same two attachment points as th=
e lap belts but does not require it. Only lap and shoulder belts require ind=
ividual attachment points. (12-2020 GCR p. 76) You might verify with any oth=
er organizations you run with.
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>> Cheers,
>> Gary Schneider
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>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 1:56:57 PM CST, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
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>> The talk of helmets and suppliers reminded me to ask this question... =20=

>> My FIA seat belt 5 years is up, so I need to replace them.  I have a 5=20=

>> point harness.  Everything I'm seeing FIA or SFI is now a 6 point=20
>> harness with two crotch straps.  Of course I have ONE hole in my seat=20
>> and one eye bolt for the crotch strap currently.
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>> How are folks doing the revised crotch strap situation?
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>> Thanks, Tony Drews
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Speaking of belts, if you use the clip-in s=
tyle, be sure to insert a cotter or split pin in the moveable latch as a saf=
ety measure. The pin keeps the latch in place if the spring breaks.<div><img=
 src=3D"cid:8A961949-8126-4087-A482-1D5D2D844BD4"><br>Phil Gott</div><div><b=
r><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">On Dec 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, greg powell via Fot &lt;fot@autox=
.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/htm=
l; charset=3Dus-ascii"><div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D""=
>My advice would be to purchase belts that meet or exceed the racing organiz=
ation's rules and then install them to follow exactly the specifications of t=
he manufacturer.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"=
"><br class=3D""></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D=
"">I bet that one anchor point for 2 sub belts is not per manufacturer spec t=
o offer the protection of a 5-point harness only.</span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Greg in Oakland, CA</span></div></div><di=
v><br class=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Gary Schneider v=
ia Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D=
""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"ydpe1ed8529yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-=
family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div cl=
ass=3D""></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Tony,</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Gretchen's Mini for 20 years has a=
lways had two crotch straps run thru the one seat hole, both secured to one c=
entral eyebolt in the floor. No one's ever questioned it (altho I'll grant y=
ou an MC tech is not the most persnickety I've ever seen.)</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">I notice MC, SCCA, VSCDA, VARA, VRG, RMVR ru=
les all specify 5 <u class=3D"">or</u> 6-point harnesses. SCCA only includes=
 7-point. Most recommend above 5 points but none require it. <br class=3D"">=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Interestingly, I find no r=
eference in any of the above rules to 6-point harnesses requiring two indivi=
dual anti-sub attachment points. SCCA specifically allows attaching anti-sub=
 straps to the same two attachment points as the lap belts but does not requ=
ire it. Only lap and shoulder belts require individual attachment points. (1=
2-2020 GCR p. 76) You might verify with any other organizations you run with=
.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fals=
e" class=3D"">Gary Schneider<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp5f6ac608yahoo_quoted_8252350633" class=3D"ydp5f6=
ac608yahoo_quoted">
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ns-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;" class=3D"">
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                <div class=3D"">
                    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 1:56:57 PM CST, Tony Dre=
ws via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">The talk of helm=
ets and suppliers reminded me to ask this question...&nbsp; <br class=3D""><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">My FIA seat belt 5 years is up, so I need t=
o replace them.&nbsp; I have a 5 <br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"">point harness.&nbsp; Everything I'm seeing FIA or SFI is now a 6 point=
 <br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">harness with two crotch st=
raps.&nbsp; Of course I have ONE hole in my seat <br class=3D""></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">and one eye bolt for the crotch strap currently.<br cl=
ass=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"">How are folks doing the revised crotch strap situation?<br c=
lass=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"">Thanks, Tony Drews<br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
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