Subject: Re: [Fot] Timing cover crank seal oil leak

From: Joe Boruch via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:06:14 +0000 (UTC)

--===============6199124245143190019==
	boundary="----=_Part_4384943_1837494828.1608912374517"

------=_Part_4384943_1837494828.1608912374517
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 Jerry, I am using a thin belt Harmonic damper that I got from BFE years ag=
o.=C2=A0 It has spacer that goes against the slinger and the joint where th=
e damper meets the spacer is right about where the seal lip is.=C2=A0 I fou=
nd a double lip seal, but that was 10 years ago and I can't find my records=
 of what it is.=C2=A0 If I come across it, I will post it.=C2=A0 Joe B.=C2=
=A0
    On Friday, December 25, 2020, 07:44:47 AM EST, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 I run a thin belt conversion and have an oil leak from the timing chain co=
ver. New seal at rebuild 2 years ago. Leaked from initial startup but now g=
etting worse. I know about speedy sleeves and might try that. =C2=A0My ques=
tion is this. Has anyone else experienced excessive leakage while using the=
 thin belt conversion? The Moss instructions imply that the seal rides on t=
he spacer installed behind the damper pulley. Has anyone found a double lip=
 seal replacement to the standard supplied seal and if yes do you have a re=
ference P/N?=C2=A0Thanks and Merry Christmas. The New Year has to be better=
 than 2020.=C2=A0JVV_______________________________________________
[email-masked]

http://www.fot-racing.com

Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
o.com

 =20
------=_Part_4384943_1837494828.1608912374517
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp8b49b419yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
3px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jerry, I am using a thin bel=
t Harmonic damper that I got from BFE years ago.&nbsp; It has spacer that g=
oes against the slinger and the joint where the damper meets the spacer is =
right about where the seal lip is.&nbsp; I found a double lip seal, but tha=
t was 10 years ago and I can't find my records of what it is.&nbsp; If I co=
me across it, I will post it.&nbsp; Joe B.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data=
-setdir=3D"false"><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"ydpee91a56ayahoo_quoted_9725350369" class=3D"ydpee=
91a56ayahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Friday, December 25, 2020, 07:44:47 AM EST, Jerry Va=
n Vlack via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydpee91a56ayiv3833206249">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;">
<div style=3D"WHITE-SPACE:pre-wrap;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;ORP=
HANS:2;WIDOWS:2;LETTER-SPACING:normal;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEX=
T-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">=
<font face=3D"Segoe UI Historic"><font style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11.3pt;" color=3D=
"#050505">I run a=20
thin belt conversion and have an oil leak from the timing chain cover. New =
seal=20
at rebuild 2 years ago. Leaked from initial startup but now getting worse. =
I=20
know about speedy sleeves and might try that. </font></font></div>
<div style=3D"WHITE-SPACE:pre-wrap;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;ORP=
HANS:2;WIDOWS:2;LETTER-SPACING:normal;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEX=
T-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">=
<font face=3D"Segoe UI Historic"><font style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11.3pt;" color=3D=
"#050505"></font></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"WHITE-SPACE:pre-wrap;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;ORP=
HANS:2;WIDOWS:2;LETTER-SPACING:normal;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEX=
T-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">=
<font face=3D"Segoe UI Historic"><font style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11.3pt;" color=3D=
"#050505">My=20
question is this. Has anyone else experienced excessive leakage while using=
 the=20
thin belt conversion? The Moss instructions imply that the seal rides on th=
e=20
spacer installed behind the damper pulley. </font></font></div>
<div style=3D"WHITE-SPACE:pre-wrap;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;ORP=
HANS:2;WIDOWS:2;LETTER-SPACING:normal;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEX=
T-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">=
<font color=3D"#050505" face=3D"Segoe UI Historic">Has anyone found a doubl=
e lip seal=20
replacement to the standard supplied seal and if yes do you have a referenc=
e=20
P/N?</font></div>
<div style=3D"WHITE-SPACE:pre-wrap;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;ORP=
HANS:2;WIDOWS:2;LETTER-SPACING:normal;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEX=
T-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">=
<font color=3D"#050505" face=3D"Segoe UI Historic"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"WHITE-SPACE:pre-wrap;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;ORP=
HANS:2;WIDOWS:2;LETTER-SPACING:normal;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEX=
T-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">=
<font color=3D"#050505" face=3D"Segoe UI Historic">Thanks and Merry Christm=
as. The New Year=20
has to be better than 2020.</font></div>
<div style=3D"WHITE-SPACE:pre-wrap;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;ORP=
HANS:2;WIDOWS:2;LETTER-SPACING:normal;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEX=
T-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">=
<font color=3D"#050505" face=3D"Segoe UI Historic"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"WHITE-SPACE:pre-wrap;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;ORP=
HANS:2;WIDOWS:2;LETTER-SPACING:normal;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEX=
T-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">=
<font color=3D"#050505" face=3D"Segoe UI Historic">JVV</font></div></div></=
div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br><a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a><br><br><a href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com" rel=3D"nofollow"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href=3D"=
www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/a=
rchive " rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive <=
/a><a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a hr=
ef=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]" rel=3D"=
nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jabor=
[email-masked]</a><br><br><br></div>
            </div>
        </div></body></html>
------=_Part_4384943_1837494828.1608912374517--

--===============6199124245143190019==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________
[email-masked]

http://www.fot-racing.com

Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot

--===============6199124245143190019==--

---

From: Joe Boruch via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 02:45:23 +0000 (UTC)

--===============4130734714221256593==
	boundary="----=_Part_4455575_23819381.1608950723603"

------=_Part_4455575_23819381.1608950723603
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 I took a look in my spare parts box and I found a seal (it was right on to=
p - I am not usually so lucky in my searches), which I believe to be the co=
rrect one.=C2=A0 It is a Timken 473229 double lip seal.=C2=A0 1.562" x 2.50=
2" x 3.13".=C2=A0 My engine is assembled, so I could not verify the shaft I=
D, but the OD is correct.=C2=A0 It is a fairly common seal for a transfer c=
ase (which I have no reason to have a seal for).
Googling, there is also a Timken 472635 seal, which is for a 1.552" shaft, =
but it is 0.500" thick.=C2=A0 The extra thickness may better position one s=
eal lip away from the split between the spacer and the damper hub.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0
I do not use a gasket to install the timing cover, but rather just use RTV.=
=C2=A0 Adding a gasket or two would also shift the seal's relative position=
, which may help (or hurt, depending on where the split is).=C2=A0 JoeB.=C2=
=A0
    On Friday, December 25, 2020, 11:08:18 AM EST, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
  Jerry, I am using a thin belt Harmonic damper that I got from BFE years a=
go.=C2=A0 It has spacer that goes against the slinger and the joint where t=
he damper meets the spacer is right about where the seal lip is.=C2=A0 I fo=
und a double lip seal, but that was 10 years ago and I can't find my record=
s of what it is.=C2=A0 If I come across it, I will post it.=C2=A0 Joe B.=C2=
=A0
  =20
 =20
------=_Part_4455575_23819381.1608950723603
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp6aa4fa9eyahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
3px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I took a look in my spare pa=
rts box and I found a seal (it was right on top - I am not usually so lucky=
 in my searches), which I believe to be the correct one.&nbsp; It is a Timk=
en 473229 double lip seal.&nbsp; 1.562" x 2.502" x 3.13".&nbsp; My engine i=
s assembled, so I could not verify the shaft ID, but the OD is correct.&nbs=
p; It is a fairly common seal for a transfer case (which I have no reason t=
o have a seal for).</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Googling, there is also a Timken 4726=
35 seal, which is for a 1.552" shaft, but it is 0.500" thick.&nbsp; The ext=
ra thickness may better position one seal lip away from the split between t=
he spacer and the damper hub.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I do not use a =
gasket to install the timing cover, but rather just use RTV.&nbsp; Adding a=
 gasket or two would also shift the seal's relative position, which may hel=
p (or hurt, depending on where the split is).&nbsp; JoeB.&nbsp;</div><div><=
br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"ydp7930e6c6yahoo_quoted_9390930489" class=3D"ydp79=
30e6c6yahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Friday, December 25, 2020, 11:08:18 AM EST, Joe Boru=
ch via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp7930e6c6yiv9380310837"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp7930e6c6yiv9380310837ydp8b49b419yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div=
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Jerry, I am using a thin belt Harmonic damper that=
 I got from BFE years ago.&nbsp; It has spacer that goes against the slinge=
r and the joint where the damper meets the spacer is right about where the =
seal lip is.&nbsp; I found a double lip seal, but that was 10 years ago and=
 I can't find my records of what it is.&nbsp; If I come across it, I will p=
ost it.&nbsp; Joe B.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
       =20
        </div><div class=3D"ydp7930e6c6yiv9380310837ydpee91a56ayahoo_quoted=
" id=3D"ydp7930e6c6yiv9380310837ydpee91a56ayahoo_quoted_9725350369">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
                <div class=3D"ydp7930e6c6yiv9380310837yqt6579033218" id=3D"=
ydp7930e6c6yiv9380310837yqt07992"><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div>
            </div>
        </div></body></html>
------=_Part_4455575_23819381.1608950723603--

--===============4130734714221256593==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

--===============4130734714221256593==--