Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents

From: John Linney via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:44:33 -0700

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I=E2=80=99ve often wondered why we don=E2=80=99t see hard tops on modern-day=
 TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage?

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> I had one on my =E2=80=9866 TR4A - really liked it and didn=E2=80=99t find=
 it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!)=
.=20
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> The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit.  The center aluminum=
 panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit.  It was for wintertime. =
 The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather=
. =20
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> They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5.  Been thinking ab=
out getting one for my TR250 road car.
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> The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and wa=
s sold into TR6 production.
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> Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it!  Triumph led the way with the idea!  T=
riumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc=
 brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott=
.  Great resources!
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> Best, Terry=20
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>>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:=

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>> =EF=BB=BF
>> The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option.  I have an origi=
nal one on my TR4A but not the hard center section.  I don't know how many t=
hey ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a hal=
f hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thum=
b screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear secti=
on from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying o=
ff!!!  The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at go=
uging you when you were in a hurry.  It was good in theory and looked good b=
ut very crazy in execution!!!  Not much structural integrity either as it wa=
s a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal.  It just bolted on in place o=
f the convertible frame.  Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Por=
sche refined it and called it a Targa.!!!
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
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>> hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I=
 never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be use=
d when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry
>>=20
>> On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote:
>>=20
>> This car appears to be a Targa Top car.  I had never noticed it before, b=
ut this makes sense for racing.  I don't know if they ever made a true "hard=
top" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.  I've never seen one.  If no=
t, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (V=
erses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.  I hav=
e seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one=
, but never a true hardtop from the factory.  Just an observation.  Any comm=
ents?
>>=20
>> Jack
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>> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
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>> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them w=
ith the FOT.  It is my understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Tri=
umph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Tr=
iumph Herald. =20
>>=20
>> Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.  (Old TR4 pics from the web just for refe=
rence)
>>=20
>> I have no connection with the seller.
>>=20
>> =E2=80=94Justin
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>> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle...
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99ve often wondered why we don=E2=80=
=99t see hard tops on modern-day TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynami=
c? No room for the roll cage?<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te">On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charse=
t=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr">I had one on my =E2=80=9866 TR4A - really liked i=
t and didn=E2=80=99t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as m=
y MK2 Spitfire soft top!).&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. &nbsp;The center=
 aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. &nbsp;It was fo=
r wintertime. &nbsp;The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes fo=
r inclement weather. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. &nbsp;Been thinkin=
g about getting one for my TR250 road car.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable c=
enter) and was sold into TR6 production.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Yes, Porsche copied it &amp; renamed it! &nbsp;Triumph led the=
 way with the idea! &nbsp;Triumph was often the first in many of the feature=
s on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Orig=
inal Triumph TRs by Piggott. &nbsp;Great resources!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Best, Terry&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite">On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot &lt;fot@auto=
x.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp97fef25yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"f=
ont-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">=
<div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250=
 had the Surrey Top option.&nbsp; I have an original one on my TR4A but not t=
he hard center section.&nbsp; I don't know how many they ultimately made but=
 you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the sof=
t center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have t=
o be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then t=
he little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!!&nbsp; The hooks on=
 the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you w=
ere in a hurry.&nbsp; It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy i=
n execution!!!&nbsp; Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant c=
ast piece of aluminum or pot metal.&nbsp; It just bolted on in place of the c=
onvertible frame.&nbsp; Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsc=
he refined it and called it a Targa.!!!</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"colo=
r: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
><span style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br></span></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 4=
2);">hought the TR4A too.
    It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one
    back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when
    the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry</span></div></div><div id=3D"ydp7=
37b6ef9yahoo_quoted_8669686392" class=3D"ydp737b6ef9yahoo_quoted"><div style=
=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;color:#26282a;"><div><div id=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837"><div>
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div class=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837yqt9867066227" id=3D"ydp737b6ef9yi=
v1515360837yqtfd00117"><div class=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837moz-cite-prefix=
">On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via
      Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837yqt9867=
066227" id=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837yqtfd99666"></div><div><div class=3D"y=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span>This car appears to be
            a Targa Top car.&nbsp; </span>I had never noticed it before, but=

          this makes sense for racing.&nbsp; I don't know if they ever made a=

          true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.&nbsp;
          I've never seen one.&nbsp; If not, then the Targa Top would be a
          good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open
          car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.&nbsp; I hav=
e
          seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car
          came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.&nbsp;
          Just an observation.&nbsp; Any comments?</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none">
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        <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
          <div> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner
            via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837moz-t=
xt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
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            <div dir=3D"ltr">I saw these for sale on craigslist just now
              and I thought to share them with the FOT.&nbsp; It is my
              understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Triumph Work=
s
              TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the=

              Triumph Herald.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none">
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.&nbsp; (Old TR4 p=
ics from
              the web just for reference)<br clear=3D"none">
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            <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
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            <div dir=3D"ltr">I have no connection with the seller.<br clear=3D=
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From: Rich Hahn via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:26:44 +0000 (UTC)

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 I have a "street" bar underneath mine that fit with no alteration.=C2=A0 I=
 did race it in a Vintage "exhibition" class at our Put In Bay Races a numb=
er of years ago before we tightened specs on that class and did meet the he=
lmet/top of roll bar regulation.=C2=A0 I'm 5'9" so anyone taller probably w=
ouldn't have met it.=C2=A0 To have any kind of "aerodynamic" benefit you wo=
uld need the hard center section because at any track where you could manag=
e a decent top speed the open Surrey Top would function as a superb drag pa=
rachute!!=C2=A0 =C2=A0I hope I didn't sound in an earlier post that I hated=
 the Surrey Top, I really like the unique look it gives the car and its onl=
y a pain to seal up for rain in a "very British" manner!!!!
    On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 11:44:36 PM EDT, John Linney <john@linneywe=
b.com> wrote: =20
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 I=E2=80=99ve often wondered why we don=E2=80=99t see hard tops on modern-d=
ay TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage?

On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

=EF=BB=BF
I had one on my =E2=80=9866 TR4A - really liked it and didn=E2=80=99t find =
it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!)=
.=C2=A0
The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. =C2=A0The center alum=
inum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. =C2=A0It was for wi=
ntertime. =C2=A0The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for i=
nclement weather. =C2=A0
They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. =C2=A0Been thinkin=
g about getting one for my TR250 road car.
The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was=
 sold into TR6 production.
Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! =C2=A0Triumph led the way with the ide=
a! =C2=A0Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars,=
 like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TR=
s by Piggott. =C2=A0Great resources!
Best, Terry=C2=A0

On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option.=C2=A0 I =
have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section.=C2=A0 I do=
n't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate=
 rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector=
 set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw =
up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps th=
at keep it from flying off!!!=C2=A0 The hooks on the windshield post and re=
ar post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry.=C2=A0 It =
was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!!=C2=A0 Not=
 much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum =
or pot metal.=C2=A0 It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame.=C2=
=A0 Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and c=
alled it a Targa.!!!

hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I =
never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be use=
d when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry=20
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 =20
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 This car appears to be a Targa Top car.=C2=A0 I had never noticed it befor=
e, but this makes sense for racing.=C2=A0 I don't know if they ever made a =
true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.=C2=A0 I've never =
seen one.=C2=A0 If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to i=
mprove aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof=
 panel in place.=C2=A0 I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in f=
act my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.=
=C2=A0 Just an observation.=C2=A0 Any comments?=20
  Jack
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with the FOT.=C2=A0 It is my understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=
=99s Triumph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills fr=
om the Triumph Herald.=C2=A0=20
 =20
  Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.=C2=A0 (Old TR4 pics from the web just for=
 reference)
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  I have no connection with the seller.
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3px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I have a "street" bar undern=
eath mine that fit with no alteration.&nbsp; I did race it in a Vintage "ex=
hibition" class at our Put In Bay Races a number of years ago before we tig=
htened specs on that class and did meet the helmet/top of roll bar regulati=
on.&nbsp; I'm 5'9" so anyone taller probably wouldn't have met it.&nbsp; To=
 have any kind of "aerodynamic" benefit you would need the hard center sect=
ion because at any track where you could manage a decent top speed the open=
 Surrey Top would function as a superb drag parachute!!&nbsp; &nbsp;I hope =
I didn't sound in an earlier post that I hated the Surrey Top, I really lik=
e the unique look it gives the car and its only a pain to seal up for rain =
in a "very British" manner!!!!</div><div><br></div>
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                    On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 11:44:36 PM EDT, John Linne=
y &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp9c653a81yiv7184750309"><div>I=E2=80=99ve=
 often wondered why we don=E2=80=99t see hard tops on modern-day TR4 racers=
. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage?<br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug =
30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote=
:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF</div></blockquote></div><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">I had one on my =E2=80=9866 TR4A - really liked it and didn=E2=80=
=99t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire =
soft top!).&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. &nbsp;The ce=
nter aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. &nbsp;It w=
as for wintertime. &nbsp;The soft top was for top down weather - quick chan=
ges for inclement weather. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR25=
0/5. &nbsp;Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car.</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The plastic version =
Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 produ=
ction.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes,=
 Porsche copied it &amp; renamed it! &nbsp;Triumph led the way with the ide=
a! &nbsp;Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars,=
 like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TR=
s by Piggott. &nbsp;Great resources!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"non=
e"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Best, Terry&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=
=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn vi=
a Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none=
"></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<d=
iv class=3D"ydp9c653a81yiv7184750309ydp97fef25yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><di=
v></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top o=
ption.&nbsp; I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center sect=
ion.&nbsp; I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be abl=
e to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece wi=
th its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contorti=
onist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hoo=
ks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!!&nbsp; The hooks on the windshi=
eld post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a h=
urry.&nbsp; It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in executi=
on!!!&nbsp; Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast pie=
ce of aluminum or pot metal.&nbsp; It just bolted on in place of the conver=
tible frame.&nbsp; Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche r=
efined it and called it a Targa.!!!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear=
=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color:rgb(38, 40, 42=
);"><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">hought the TR4A too.
    It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one
    back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when
    the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry</span></div></div><div class=3D"=
ydp9c653a81yiv7184750309ydp737b6ef9yahoo_quoted" id=3D"ydp9c653a81yiv718475=
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>On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via
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b6ef9yiv1515360837yqt9867066227" id=3D"ydp9c653a81yiv7184750309ydp737b6ef9y=
iv1515360837yqtfd99666"></div><div><div class=3D"ydp9c653a81yiv7184750309yd=
p737b6ef9yiv1515360837yqt9867066227" id=3D"ydp9c653a81yiv7184750309ydp737b6=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span>This car appears to be
            a Targa Top car.&nbsp; </span>I had never noticed it before, bu=
t
          this makes sense for racing.&nbsp; I don't know if they ever made=
 a
          true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.&nbsp;
          I've never seen one.&nbsp; If not, then the Targa Top would be a
          good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open
          car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.&nbsp; I ha=
ve
          seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car
          came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.&nbsp;
          Just an observation.&nbsp; Any comments?</div>
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none">
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          <div> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner
            via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp9c653a81yiv7184750309ydp7=
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            <div dir=3D"ltr">I saw these for sale on craigslist just now
              and I thought to share them with the FOT.&nbsp; It is my
              understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Triumph Wor=
ks
              TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from th=
e
              Triumph Herald.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none">
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.&nbsp; (Old TR4=
 pics from
              the web just for reference)<br clear=3D"none">
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            <div dir=3D"ltr">I have no connection with the seller.<br clear=
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