Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents

From: Tony Sheach via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 21:13:22 +0000

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From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 21:23:08 +0000 (UTC)

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 This car appears to be a Targa Top car.=C2=A0 I had never noticed it befor=
e, but this makes sense for racing.=C2=A0 I don't know if they ever made a =
true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.=C2=A0 I've never =
seen one.=C2=A0 If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to i=
mprove aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof=
 panel in place.=C2=A0 I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in f=
act my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.=
=C2=A0 Just an observation.=C2=A0 Any comments?
Jack

    On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them wi=
th the FOT.=C2=A0 It is my understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99=
s Triumph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from =
the Triumph Herald.=C2=A0=20

Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.=C2=A0 (Old TR4 pics from the web just for r=
eference)

I have no connection with the seller.

=E2=80=94Justin

1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle...

https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-gri=
lls/7183827115.html_______________________________________________
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span>This car appears to be=
 a Targa Top car.&nbsp; </span>I had never noticed it before, but this make=
s sense for racing.&nbsp; I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" f=
or the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.&nbsp; I've never seen one.&nbsp; =
If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynam=
ics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.=
&nbsp; I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car =
came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.&nbsp; Just an obs=
ervation.&nbsp; Any comments?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><=
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                    On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner =
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">I saw these for sale on craigslist ju=
st now and I thought to share them with the FOT.&nbsp; It is my understandi=
ng the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Triumph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine b=
ay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.&nbsp; <br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.&n=
bsp; (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference)<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I have no connection with the seller.<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94Justin<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><br><br>1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts =
- by owner - vehicle...<br><br><br><a href=3D"https://inlandempire.craigsli=
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From: Larry Young via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 11:09:59 -0500

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A hardtop  was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A too. It 
cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in 
the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop 
panel was removed. - Larry

On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote:
> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, 
> but this makes sense for racing.  I don't know if they ever made a 
> true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never 
> seen one.  If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to 
> improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the 
> solid roof panel in place.  I have seen a few aftermarket plastic 
> hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop 
> from the factory. Just an observation.  Any comments?
>
> Jack
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot 
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share 
> them with the FOT.  It is my understanding the grills used on the 60’s 
> Triumph Works TR4s’ engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the 
> Triumph Herald.
>
> Here’s a pair for sale.  (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference)
>
> —Justin
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    A hardtop  was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A too.
    It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one
    back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when
    the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via
      Fot wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>This car appears to be
            a Targa Top car.  </span>I had never noticed it before, but
          this makes sense for racing.  I don't know if they ever made a
          true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. 
          I've never seen one.  If not, then the Targa Top would be a
          good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open
          car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.  I have
          seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car
          came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. 
          Just an observation.  Any comments?</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Jack<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
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          <div> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner
            via Fot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
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            <div dir="ltr">I saw these for sale on craigslist just now
              and I thought to share them with the FOT.  It is my
              understanding the grills used on the 60’s Triumph Works
              TR4s’ engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the
              Triumph Herald.  <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">Here’s a pair for sale.  (Old TR4 pics from
              the web just for reference)<br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">I have no connection with the seller.<br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr">—Justin<br>
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From: John Linney via Fot <[email-masked]>
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The Sebring TR4s all had hard tops in 1963, and the GT cars in 1962, so was l=
ikely available before the TR4A. They are a rare thing, but do make the car m=
ore usable in the colder months. Here=E2=80=99s mine...

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Larry Young via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF A hardtop  was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A to=
o. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back i=
n the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop pa=
nel was removed. - Larry
>> This car appears to be a Targa Top car.  I had never noticed it before, b=
ut this makes sense for racing.  I don't know if they ever made a true "hard=
top" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.  I've never seen one.  If no=
t, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (V=
erses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.  I hav=
e seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one=
, but never a true hardtop from the factory.  Just an observation.  Any comm=
ents?
>>=20
>> Jack
>>=20
>> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them w=
ith the FOT.  It is my understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Tri=
umph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Tr=
iumph Herald. =20
>>=20
>> Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.  (Old TR4 pics from the web just for refe=
rence)
>> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-g=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">The Sebring TR4s all had hard tops in 1963,=
 and the GT cars in 1962, so was likely available before the TR4A. They are a=
 rare thing, but do make the car more usable in the colder months. Here=E2=80=
=99s mine...<div><img src=3D"cid:7BE285A3-0763-4844-9AD9-3D0D60238CB7"></div=
><div><span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);"><br></s=
pan><div><img src=3D"cid:4E8ABACA-A7B7-486D-AC10-53E1D7DC4AB4-L0-001"><br></=
div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 28, 2020, at 9=
:12 AM, Larry Young via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></block=
quote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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    A hardtop&nbsp; was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A too.
    It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one
    back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when
    the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via
      Fot wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:1503090161.458014.1598563388573@ma=
il.yahoo.com">
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8">
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ica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
        sans-serif;font-size:13px;">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span>This car appears to be
            a Targa Top car.&nbsp; </span>I had never noticed it before, but=

          this makes sense for racing.&nbsp; I don't know if they ever made a=

          true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.&nbsp;
          I've never seen one.&nbsp; If not, then the Targa Top would be a
          good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open
          car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.&nbsp; I hav=
e
          seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car
          came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.&nbsp;
          Just an observation.&nbsp; Any comments?</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jack<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
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oo_quoted">
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          sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
          <div> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner
            via Fot <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">I saw these for sale on craigslist just now
              and I thought to share them with the FOT.&nbsp; It is my
              understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Triumph Work=
s
              TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the=

              Triumph Herald.&nbsp; <br>
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.&nbsp; (Old TR4 p=
ics from
              the web just for reference)<br>
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">I have no connection with the seller.<br>
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94Justin<br>
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner -
            vehicle...<br>
            <br>
            <br>
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From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:37:58 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hi Jerry.=C2=A0 I was using the name "Targa Top" for what I have seen on c=
ars like yours.=C2=A0 I guess that term is normally used for Porshes.=C2=A0=
 The "Hard Top" I was referring to is like the steel top I have on my TR-3 =
(see picture), where the entire top lifts off, as opposed to the "Targa Top=
", where the rear window normally stays in place.=C2=A0 I've seen a number =
of what I am calling Targa Tops, including both of the race cars you mentio=
ned.=C2=A0 But I have never seen a totally steel, one piece Hard Top for a =
TR-4 or 4A.
Thanks for your comments.
Jack

    On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 7:15:09 PM EDT, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv@=
roadrunner.com> wrote: =20
=20
 Jack This is my TR4A; photos by Shawn Frank at Blackhawk Farms for the 201=
7 Kastner Cup.The Hardtop was a factory option for the 4, 4A and 250 and ye=
s the center portion was removable. It could be replaced with a soft top se=
ction which is the =E2=80=9CSurrey Top=E2=80=9D often referred to by enthus=
iasts.Jack Drews had a blue TR4 with the Hardtop before it was wrecked and =
Bob Deanes runs a TR4 with the Hardtop but we don=E2=80=99t see him very of=
ten.I=E2=80=99ve owned my 4A for 51 years and looked for this Hardtop for 4=
0 of those years. Finally bought a car with the top, put it on my car and t=
hen sold the car. I like the appearance. The center section was initially a=
luminum and later was steel. The rear window section is a cast aluminum pie=
ce. The glass is now unobtanium. JVV=C2=A0From: Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: =
Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:23 PMTo: FOT ; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Unde=
r Hood Vents=C2=A0This car appears to be a Targa Top car.=C2=A0 I had never=
 noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.=C2=A0 I don't know if =
they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.=
=C2=A0 I've never seen one.=C2=A0 If not, then the Targa Top would be a goo=
d alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you k=
ept the solid roof panel in place.=C2=A0 I have seen a few aftermarket plas=
tic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop f=
rom the factory.=C2=A0 Just an observation.=C2=A0 Any comments?=C2=A0Jack
=C2=A0On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =C2=A0=C2=A0I saw these for sale on craigslist just n=
ow and I thought to share them with the FOT.=C2=A0 It is my understanding t=
he grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Triumph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay v=
ents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.=C2=A0 (Old TR4 pics from the web just=
 for reference)
=C2=A0I have no connection with the seller.
=C2=A0=E2=80=94Justin
=C2=A0

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi Jerry.&nbsp; I was using =
the name "Targa Top" for what I have seen on cars like yours.&nbsp; I guess=
 that term is normally used for Porshes.&nbsp; The "Hard Top" I was referri=
ng to is like the steel top I have on my TR-3 (see picture), where the enti=
re top lifts off, as opposed to the "Targa Top", where the rear window norm=
ally stays in place.&nbsp; I've seen a number of what I am calling Targa To=
ps, including both of the race cars you mentioned.&nbsp; But I have never s=
een a totally steel, one piece Hard Top for a TR-4 or 4A.</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
>Thanks for your comments.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
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                    On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 7:15:09 PM EDT, Jerry Van=
 Vlack &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
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<div>Jack This is my TR4A; photos by Shawn Frank at Blackhawk Farms for the=
 2017=20
Kastner Cup.</div>
<div>The Hardtop was a factory option for the 4, 4A and 250 and yes the cen=
ter=20
portion was removable. It could be replaced with a soft top section which i=
s the=20
=E2=80=9CSurrey Top=E2=80=9D often referred to by enthusiasts.</div>
<div>Jack Drews had a blue TR4 with the Hardtop before it was wrecked and B=
ob=20
Deanes runs a TR4 with the Hardtop but we don=E2=80=99t see him very often.=
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99ve owned my 4A for 51 years and looked for this Hardtop for =
40 of those=20
years. Finally bought a car with the top, put it on my car and then sold th=
e=20
car. I like the appearance. The center section was initially aluminum and l=
ater=20
was steel. The rear window section is a cast aluminum piece. The glass is n=
ow=20
unobtanium. </div>
<div>JVV</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" title=3D"[email-masked]">Jack=20
Wheeler via Fot</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:23 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" title=3D"[email-masked]">FOT</a> ; <a=
 shape=3D"rect" title=3D"[email-masked]">J Wagner</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents</div></div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>This car appears to be a Targa Top=20
car.&nbsp; </span>I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for=
=20
racing.&nbsp; I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4,=
 like=20
the Steel TR-3 hardtop.&nbsp; I've never seen one.&nbsp; If not, then the T=
arga=20
Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open ca=
r),=20
assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.&nbsp; I have seen a few=20
aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never =
a=20
true hardtop from the factory.&nbsp; Just an observation.&nbsp; Any=20
comments?</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
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to share=20
them with the FOT.&nbsp; It is my understanding the grills used on the 60=
=E2=80=99s=20
Triumph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from th=
e Triumph=20
Herald.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.&nbsp; (Old TR4 pics from t=
he web just for=20
reference)<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I have no connection with the seller.<br clear=3D"none"></=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94Justin<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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 The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option.=C2=A0 I have an o=
riginal one on my TR4A but not the hard center section.=C2=A0 I don't know =
how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by =
about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" fra=
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he rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep i=
t from flying off!!!=C2=A0 The hooks on the windshield post and rear post w=
ere really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry.=C2=A0 It was good =
in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!!=C2=A0 Not much str=
uctural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot me=
tal.=C2=A0 It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame.=C2=A0 Trium=
ph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it =
a Targa.!!!

hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I =
never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be use=
d when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry=20
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seen one.=C2=A0 If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to i=
mprove aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof=
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act my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.=
=C2=A0 Just an observation.=C2=A0 Any comments?=20
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The TR4, 4A and maybe the 25=
0 had the Surrey Top option.&nbsp; I have an original one on my TR4A but no=
t the hard center section.&nbsp; I don't know how many they ultimately made=
 but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect th=
e soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you=
 have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside a=
nd then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!!&nbsp; Th=
e hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging yo=
u when you were in a hurry.&nbsp; It was good in theory and looked good but=
 very crazy in execution!!!&nbsp; Not much structural integrity either as i=
t was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal.&nbsp; It just bolted on =
in place of the convertible frame.&nbsp; Triumph got it wrong in name and e=
xecution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!!</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
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    It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one
    back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when
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ix">On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via
      Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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7066227" id=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837yqtfd99666"></div><div><div class=3D=
"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837yqt9867066227" id=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837yqtfd=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span>This car appears to be
            a Targa Top car.&nbsp; </span>I had never noticed it before, bu=
t
          this makes sense for racing.&nbsp; I don't know if they ever made=
 a
          true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.&nbsp;
          I've never seen one.&nbsp; If not, then the Targa Top would be a
          good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open
          car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.&nbsp; I ha=
ve
          seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car
          came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.&nbsp;
          Just an observation.&nbsp; Any comments?</div>
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          <div> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner
            via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837moz-=
txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" targ=
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            <div dir=3D"ltr">I saw these for sale on craigslist just now
              and I thought to share them with the FOT.&nbsp; It is my
              understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Triumph Wor=
ks
              TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from th=
e
              Triumph Herald.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none">
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
            </div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.&nbsp; (Old TR4=
 pics from
              the web just for reference)<br clear=3D"none">
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            <div dir=3D"ltr">I have no connection with the seller.<br clear=
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            <div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94Justin<br clear=3D"none">
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            1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner -
            vehicle...<br clear=3D"none">
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:03:20 +0000 (UTC)

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 I'll bet a TR6 hardtop will fit a TR4, not sure it would look good though =
being angular lines instead of rounded.=C2=A0 Although aftermarket TR6 tops=
 tend to be a little more rounded so might look okay on a TR4.=C2=A0 I've s=
een TR4 surrey tops on TR6's so I imagine the fit would work the other way =
too.
Or get a GTR4 Dove with the fixed fastback roof, but maybe those are too ra=
re to make into a racecar.=C2=A0 A guy in our club has had two of them so m=
aybe they aren't that rare?
Dusty
    On Friday, August 28, 2020, 01:44:31 PM CDT, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
  Hi Jerry.=C2=A0 I was using the name "Targa Top" for what I have seen on =
cars like yours.=C2=A0 I guess that term is normally used for Porshes.=C2=
=A0 The "Hard Top" I was referring to is like the steel top I have on my TR=
-3 (see picture), where the entire top lifts off, as opposed to the "Targa =
Top", where the rear window normally stays in place.=C2=A0 I've seen a numb=
er of what I am calling Targa Tops, including both of the race cars you men=
tioned.=C2=A0 But I have never seen a totally steel, one piece Hard Top for=
 a TR-4 or 4A.
Thanks for your comments.
Jack

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpbf3869fbyahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:13px;"><d=
iv></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I'll bet a TR6 hardtop will =
fit a TR4, not sure it would look good though being angular lines instead o=
f rounded.&nbsp; Although aftermarket TR6 tops tend to be a little more rou=
nded so might look okay on a TR4.&nbsp; I've seen TR4 surrey tops on TR6's =
so I imagine the fit would work the other way too.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Or get=
 a GTR4 Dove with the fixed fastback roof, but maybe those are too rare to =
make into a racecar.&nbsp; A guy in our club has had two of them so maybe t=
hey aren't that rare?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Dusty</div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp3b36e861yahoo_quoted_9451498796" class=3D"ydp3b=
36e861yahoo_quoted">
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Friday, August 28, 2020, 01:44:31 PM CDT, Jack Wheel=
er via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp3b36e861yiv1173465373"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp3b36e861yiv1173465373ydpe8c51b05yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div=
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jerry.&nbsp; I was using the name "Targa Top" f=
or what I have seen on cars like yours.&nbsp; I guess that term is normally=
 used for Porshes.&nbsp; The "Hard Top" I was referring to is like the stee=
l top I have on my TR-3 (see picture), where the entire top lifts off, as o=
pposed to the "Targa Top", where the rear window normally stays in place.&n=
bsp; I've seen a number of what I am calling Targa Tops, including both of =
the race cars you mentioned.&nbsp; But I have never seen a totally steel, o=
ne piece Hard Top for a TR-4 or 4A.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Thanks for your comments.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Jack<br></div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp3b36e861yiv1173465373ydp99cd357byahoo_quoted_90=
17767349" class=3D"ydp3b36e861yiv1173465373ydp99cd357byahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 7:15:09 PM EDT, Jerry Van=
 Vlack &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp3b36e861yiv1173465373ydp99cd357byiv82141=
66203"><div dir=3D"ltr">
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;">
<div>Jack This is my TR4A; photos by Shawn Frank at Blackhawk Farms for the=
 2017=20
Kastner Cup.</div>
<div>The Hardtop was a factory option for the 4, 4A and 250 and yes the cen=
ter=20
portion was removable. It could be replaced with a soft top section which i=
s the=20
=E2=80=9CSurrey Top=E2=80=9D often referred to by enthusiasts.</div>
<div>Jack Drews had a blue TR4 with the Hardtop before it was wrecked and B=
ob=20
Deanes runs a TR4 with the Hardtop but we don=E2=80=99t see him very often.=
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99ve owned my 4A for 51 years and looked for this Hardtop for =
40 of those=20
years. Finally bought a car with the top, put it on my car and then sold th=
e=20
car. I like the appearance. The center section was initially aluminum and l=
ater=20
was steel. The rear window section is a cast aluminum piece. The glass is n=
ow=20
unobtanium. </div>
<div>JVV</div>
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le:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,=
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scroll; background-image: none; background-size: auto;">
<div><b>From:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" title=3D"[email-masked]">Jack=20
Wheeler via Fot</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:23 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" title=3D"[email-masked]">FOT</a> ; <a=
 shape=3D"rect" title=3D"[email-masked]">J Wagner</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents</div></div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>This car appears to be a Targa Top=20
car.&nbsp; </span>I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for=
=20
racing.&nbsp; I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4,=
 like=20
the Steel TR-3 hardtop.&nbsp; I've never seen one.&nbsp; If not, then the T=
arga=20
Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open ca=
r),=20
assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.&nbsp; I have seen a few=20
aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never =
a=20
true hardtop from the factory.&nbsp; Just an observation.&nbsp; Any=20
comments?</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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<div>On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought =
to share=20
them with the FOT.&nbsp; It is my understanding the grills used on the 60=
=E2=80=99s=20
Triumph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from th=
e Triumph=20
Herald.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.&nbsp; (Old TR4 pics from t=
he web just for=20
reference)<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I have no connection with the seller.<br clear=3D"none"></=
div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94Justin<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clea=
r=3D"none">1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts -=20
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From: Peter Vucinic via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:21:50 +1000

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Hi Jack,

It was called a Surrey Top.=20

The rear screen stayed on the vehicle as it was a retrofit and removal =
of some parts that made up the =E2=80=98soft top=E2=80=99 parts was =
required. You had the best of both worlds then. Fitting the =
=E2=80=98roof=E2=80=99 or the canvas surrey centre section. I have a =
genuine Steel Roof, Aluminium Roof and =E2=80=98still in the triumph =
box=E2=80=99 canvas surrey centre section.

=20

"You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started =
With A Lage Fortune!"

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII

[email-masked]

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler =
via Fot
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2020 7:23 AM
To: FOT; J Wagner
Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents

=20

This car appears to be a Targa Top car.  I had never noticed it before, =
but this makes sense for racing.  I don't know if they ever made a true =
"hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.  I've never seen =
one.  If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve =
aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof =
panel in place.  I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact =
my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.  =
Just an observation.  Any comments?

=20

Jack

=20

On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:=20

=20

=20

I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them =
with the FOT.  It is my understanding the grills used on the =
60=E2=80=99s Triumph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were =
repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. =20

=20

Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.  (Old TR4 pics from the web just for =
reference)

=20

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=E2=80=94Justin

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=E2=80=98roof=E2=80=99 or the canvas surrey centre section. I have a =
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makes sense for racing.&nbsp; I don't know if they ever made a true =
&quot;hardtop&quot; for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.&nbsp; =
I've never seen one.&nbsp; If not, then the Targa Top would be a good =
alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you =
kept the solid roof panel in place.&nbsp; I have seen a few aftermarket =
plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true =
hardtop from the factory.&nbsp; Just an observation.&nbsp; Any =
comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>I =
saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them =
with the FOT.&nbsp; It is my understanding the grills used on the =
60=E2=80=99s Triumph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were =
repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale.&nbsp; (Old TR4 pics =
from the web just for reference)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
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