Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6

From: Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:51:05 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi,
I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups.
I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno.
So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar).
If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors!
Feel free to respond off list.

Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489

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se"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I poked around in the =
archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the mos=
t part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups.</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false">I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to=
 swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a=
 dyno.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false">So, the question is: if you change to different ch=
oke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to=
 see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's =
or similar).</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">If you don't want to share setups on the lis=
t, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real refere=
nces would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in =
the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air c=
orrectors!</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Feel free to respond off list.<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">339-927-4489<br></div></div></bod=
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From: Rick Parent via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:05:56 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi Bob,
There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have an off idle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30's you have gone too far, try 29's. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will be dead in the water and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal strength will decrease when you install larger chokes therefore you most likely will have to go down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both.

"Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do regardless of the consequences"

    On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:36 AM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:  
 
 Hi,

  
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ere is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have an off i=
dle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30's you have gone =
too far, try 29's. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will be dead in the w=
ater and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal strength will decre=
ase when you install larger chokes therefore you most likely will have to g=
o down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both.</div><div><br></div=
><div class=3D"ydp4a4a2837signature"><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, A=
rial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">"Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do regardless of the=
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1550yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial=
, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6=
 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail t=
o mention the choke tubes for the setups.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking=
 to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access t=
o a dyno.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">So, the question=
 is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know =
the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have do=
ne this (change from 28's to 30's or similar).</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">If you don't want to share setups on the list, I under=
stand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would=
 help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jettin=
g can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors!=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Feel free to respond off =
list.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang</div><div dir=3D"ltr">339-927-4489<br></div></div><=
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From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:27:11 -0700

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On 8/19/20 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with 
> Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention 
> the choke tubes for the setups.
I have a Weber web page for the TR 2-A engines. While it doesn't go into 
the 6, it does describe what you are looking for when tuning the carbs 
and what the individual bits do. It might be of some help. You really 
want an O2 sensor to get closer than ballpark.

http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm

You will also want t read over Shane's TR6 Weber web page

http://triumph.hottr6.com/tr6weber.html

TeriAnn

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/19/20 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi,</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I poked around in the
          archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting,
          but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke
          tubes for the setups.</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    I have a Weber web page for the TR 2-A engines. While it doesn't go
    into the 6, it does describe what you are looking for when tuning
    the carbs and what the individual bits do. It might be of some help.
    You really want an O2 sensor to get closer than ballpark.<br>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm">http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm</a></p>
    <p>You will also want t read over Shane's TR6 Weber web page</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://triumph.hottr6.com/tr6weber.html">http://triumph.hottr6.com/tr6weber.html</a></p>
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From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:08:05 -0600

On 8/19/20 9:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly.

As I often quip, the main advantage of Webers is they are infinitely 
adjustable.  The main disadvantage of Webers is they are infinitely 
adjustable.

Not sure why you want to go to the bigger chokes, but yes, you will most 
likely need to rejet.  The basic rule of thumb is the mains are 4 times 
the choke size.  So 30mm chokes = 120 mains. While I have messed about 
with Webers on Spits, even a Datsun 620 pickup, I've never had a Triumph 
six with them.  So I can't just reach back in my memory and give any 
exact advice.

Good luck with getting a new configuration dialed in.

mjb.

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From: Nick Black via Fot <[email-masked]>
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Here=E2=80=99s my starting jets for hot street TR6 settings:
Choke 30
Main 125
Air 190
Emulsion f16
Idle f9/45 or 50
These should get you in the ballpark but every build is slightly different=20=

Losing my own settings here in NorCal...
Nick

Sent from the wilds of NorCal=20

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi,
>=20
> I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber j=
etting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes=
 for the setups.
>=20
> I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in som=
e 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno.
>=20
> So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need t=
o re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for fo=
lks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar).
>=20
> If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured=
 in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a bas=
eline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I=
've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors!
> Regards,
> Bob Lang
> 339-927-4489
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick4=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Here=E2=80=99s my starting jets for hot str=
eet TR6 settings:<div>Choke 30</div><div>Main 125</div><div>Air 190</div><di=
v>Emulsion f16</div><div>Idle f9/45 or 50</div><div>These should get you in t=
he ballpark but every build is slightly different&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Losing my own settings here in NorCal...</div><div>Nick<br><br><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Sent from the wilds of NorCal&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot &lt;fo=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-=
family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fal=
se"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I poked around in the a=
rchives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most p=
art the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups.</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false">I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap i=
n some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno.</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false">So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes,=
 do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some e=
xamples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar).=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data=
-setdir=3D"false">If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understan=
d, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help=
 establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can p=
ay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors!</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false">Feel free to respond off list.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Regards,</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-set=
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From: Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 08:05:05 -0500

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Speaking of O2 gauges/sensors. I recently bought an AEM gauge and was
pulling my hair out trying to get it to work.  I went to the forums on the
Interweb and found out that the sensors AEM sends out have a high defective
rate. I also learned about the "rag test"  If the gauge doesn't work pull
the sensor and wrap the end in a rag soaked with brake cleaner and see if
it reads rich. This test proved my new oxygen sensor was bad. New sensor,
13.7 at idle, fun to watch it go up and down but I still check my tailpipe
for grey residue.

Bob Kramer

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:06 AM Rick Parent via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have an
> off idle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30's you have
> gone too far, try 29's. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will be dead in
> the water and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal strength will
> decrease when you install larger chokes therefore you most likely will have
> to go down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both.
>
>
> I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber
> jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke
> tubes for the setups.
>
> I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in
> some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno.
>
> So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need
> to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for
> folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar).
>
> If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured
> in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a
> baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay
> dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors!
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Speaking of O2 gauges/sensors. I recently bought an AEM ga=
uge and was pulling=C2=A0my hair out trying to get it to work.=C2=A0 I went=
 to the forums on the Interweb and found out that the sensors AEM sends out=
 have a high defective rate. I also learned about the &quot;rag test&quot;=
=C2=A0 If the gauge doesn&#39;t work pull the sensor and wrap the end in a =
rag soaked with brake cleaner and see if it reads rich. This test proved my=
 new oxygen sensor was bad. New sensor, 13.7 at idle, fun to watch it go up=
 and down but I still check my tailpipe for grey residue.<div><br></div><di=
v><div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=
=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div=
></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:06 AM Rick Parent via Fot &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px=
"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Bob,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have =
an off idle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30&#39;s yo=
u have gone too far, try 29&#39;s. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will =
be dead in the water and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal str=
ength will decrease when you install larger chokes therefore you most likel=
y will have to go down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both.</di=
v><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;=
font-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&quot;Doing the=
 right thing is always the right thing to do regardless of the consequences=
&quot;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div></d=
iv></div>
        <div><br></div><div><br></div>
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                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_4480735628027318509yiv0075441550"><=
div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 refe=
rences with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to men=
tion the choke tubes for the setups.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking =
to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to=
 a dyno.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">So, the question =
is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know t=
he answer is yes, but I&#39;d like to see some examples for folks that have=
 done this (change from 28&#39;s to 30&#39;s or similar).</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">If you don&#39;t want to share setups on th=
e list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real r=
eferences would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small change=
s in the jetting can pay dividends. I&#39;ve seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing w=
ith air correctors!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Feel f=
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