Subject: Re: [Fot] Best Head Gasket

From: Mordy Dunst via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 17:46:13 +0000 (UTC)

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The original cylinder sleeve=C2=A0specs are for original factory=C2=A0head =
gaskets. =C2=A0They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its=
 good to retorque =E2=80=9Cfactory=E2=80=9D head gaskets after a heat cycle=
. =C2=A0The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Tha=
ts why the compress further after initial torque. =C2=A0Sleeves compress .0=
01=E2=80=9D minimal - depending on wall=C2=A0thickness. =C2=A0I measured th=
is at 100 lbs torque.=C2=A0
Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortm=
ent of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sle=
eve on top between gasket and head. =C2=A0
Its actually pretty simple. =C2=A0

MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616=C2=A0Fax=C2=A0626.628.3777=C2=A0Triple R M=
unitions, Inc626.201.9471=C2=A0TFFL 6,7 SOT 2
 On=C2=A0Saturday, August 1, 2020,=C2=A0Jack Wheeler via Fot=C2=A0<fot@auto=
x.team.net>=C2=A0wrote:

 The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critic=
al.=C2=A0 I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway.=C2=A0 It didn=
't work!=C2=A0 So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003"=
 protrusion.
Jack

    On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall <rwestfal=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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 I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however,=
 be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know=F0=
=9F=A4=94) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket =
so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various=
 thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall=C2=A0

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On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]=
> wrote:

Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .00=
5 to .007=E2=80=9D to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of=
 the figure 8 gaskets. =C2=A0If the protrusion is less, the top of the bloc=
k should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the =
head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the b=
ores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in th=
is area.The rest of the advice you=E2=80=99ve received is pretty sound, but=
 I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you=E2=80=99ve milled the=
 head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to =
reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into=
 the combustion chamber.Phil

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On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

=EF=BB=BF I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about C=
ometic.=C2=A0 I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the=
 stock head gasket.=C2=A0 I built the engine as I would have built one of m=
y race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (1=
0.5:1).=C2=A0 From day 1 it never really ran right.=C2=A0 I began to suspec=
t coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those=
 test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and =
add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.=C2=A0 Sure enough, hydrocarbon=
s were getting into my coolant system.=C2=A0 That says bad head gasket or c=
rack in the head.=C2=A0 Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebui=
ld, I assumed it was the head gasket.
I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.=C2=A0 A guy at=
 a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.=C2=A0 I =
had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so =
surely they would not make a gasket for it.=C2=A0 He encouraged me to check=
 the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR =
engine.=C2=A0 It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets =
for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order diffe=
rent thicknesses.=C2=A0 They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to =
get to the thickness desired.=C2=A0 I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.=C2=
=A0 It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I=
 had received, I ordered one.
I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and =
suddenly the engine ran great.=C2=A0 I have put almost 7.000 miles on the c=
ar since then and haven't had a problem.=C2=A0 It runs cool (even on 95 deg=
ree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant lea=
ks.=C2=A0 By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cem=
ent.=C2=A0 I also used that.=C2=A0 A light coat on all sealing surfaces doe=
s the trick.=C2=A0 Do not spray a thick coat.=C2=A0 Below is the link to th=
e Cometic web site.=C2=A0 Check it out.

Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure

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Jack

    On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 Phil, Dave,
I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 =
#802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust.
Thank youMichael L
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The original cylinder sleeve&nbsp;specs are for original factory&nbsp;head =
gaskets. &nbsp;They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its=
 good to retorque =E2=80=9Cfactory=E2=80=9D head gaskets after a heat cycle=
. &nbsp;The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Tha=
ts why the compress further after initial torque. &nbsp;Sleeves compress .0=
01=E2=80=9D minimal - depending on wall&nbsp;thickness. &nbsp;I measured th=
is at 100 lbs torque.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Different gaskets might need=
 different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to ra=
ise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket an=
d head. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Its actually pretty simple. &nbsp;<=
br><br><div id=3D"__aol_mail_signature__">MDunst
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e" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"0"=
>Headgasket.com</a>
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apple-data-detectors-type=3D"telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"1"=
>626.358.1616</a>&nbsp;<div>Fax&nbsp;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"tel:626.628.377=
7" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"telephone=
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    On&nbsp;Saturday, August 1, 2020,&nbsp;Jack Wheeler via Fot&nbsp;&lt;<a=
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rue" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"=
4">[email-masked]</a>&gt;&nbsp;wrote:
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .=
005", and this is critical.&nbsp; I found one at .002" one time, and tried =
it anyway.&nbsp; It didn't work!&nbsp; So, measure carefully and make sure =
you have at ;least .003" protrusion.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"non=
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stfall &lt;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" x-apple-data-=
detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detect=
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I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, =
be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know=F0=
=9F=A4=94) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket =
so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various=
 thicknesses.<div>Cheers!</div><div>Russ Westfall&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"><=
div><div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D=
"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://yho.com/footer0">Sent from Yahoo M=
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oo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size:15px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;mar=
gin-top:0;">On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot &lt;<a =
dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"tr=
ue" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"7=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"yiv8400467774yd=
pff303fbdyiv9752833917iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv97528=
33917"><div>Michael;<div>It is also critical that the liners protrude above=
 the block by .005 to .007=E2=80=9D to ensure a good seal. This is before a=
ny compression of the figure 8 gaskets. &nbsp;If the protrusion is less, th=
e top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.</div>=
<div>If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider s=
taking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Ka=
stner book. It is weak in this area.</div><div>The rest of the advice you=
=E2=80=99ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.</div>=
<div>Depending on how much you=E2=80=99ve milled the head and what you have=
 done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring a=
rea of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber=
.</div><div>Phil<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv8=
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mailto:[email-masked]" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-det=
ectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"8">[email-masked]=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><cite class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv97=
52833917ydp93995a00algo-display-url">I've read all of the comments, but hav=
en't heard anything about Cometic.&nbsp; I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a num=
ber of years ago, using the stock head gasket.&nbsp; I built the engine as =
I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder =
cam and less compression (10.5:1).&nbsp; From day 1 it never really ran rig=
ht.&nbsp; I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chambe=
r, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while=
 the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.&nbs=
p; Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.&nbsp; Tha=
t says bad head gasket or crack in the head.&nbsp; Since I'd had the head m=
agnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket.</cite></sp=
an></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><cite class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9=
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v><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><cite class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv97528339=
17ydp93995a00algo-display-url">I began asking around about where I could ge=
t a good gasket.&nbsp; A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines=
) recommended Cometic.&nbsp; I had never heard of them, and told him the en=
gine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.&=
nbsp; He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a =
whole bunch of them for the TR engine.&nbsp; It's been a few years ago, but=
 as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, =
etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.&nbsp; They stacked steel g=
askets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.&nbsp; I think =
I ordered a 3 layer gasket.&nbsp; It all sounded a little fishy, but based =
on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one.</cite></span></=
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lmost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.&nbsp; It=
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no sign of any coolant leaks.&nbsp; By the way, I noticed someone else reco=
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                    On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- =
via Fot &lt;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" x-apple-data-=
detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detect=
ors-result=3D"9">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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<div>Phil, Dave,</div>

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<div>I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green=
 TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust.</div>

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</div>

<div>Thank you</div>

<div>Michael L<br clear=3D"none">
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The folks at Racetorations swear  by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gas=
ket. I do that with no trouble.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFThe original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head g=
askets.  They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good t=
o retorque =E2=80=9Cfactory=E2=80=9D head gaskets after a heat cycle.  The s=
pace within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the com=
press further after initial torque.  Sleeves compress .001=E2=80=9D minimal -=
 depending on wall thickness.  I measured this at 100 lbs torque.=20
>=20
> Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assort=
ment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sle=
eve on top between gasket and head. =20
>=20
> Its actually pretty simple. =20
>=20
> MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616=20
> Fax 626.628.3777=20
> Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471=20
> T FFL 6,7 SOT 2
>=20
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
> The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critic=
al.  I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway.  It didn't work!  S=
o, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion.
>=20
> Jack
>=20
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall <rwestfall@y=
> I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however,=
 be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know=F0=9F=
=A4=94) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I=
'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thic=
knesses.
> Cheers!
> Russ Westfall=20
>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
>>=20
>> Michael;
>> It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .=
007=E2=80=9D to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the fi=
gure 8 gaskets.  If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be m=
illed to achieve the proper protrusion.
>> If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider stak=
ing the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastne=
r book. It is weak in this area.
>> The rest of the advice you=E2=80=99ve received is pretty sound, but I hav=
e not tried all of it.
>> Depending on how much you=E2=80=99ve milled the head and what you have do=
ne with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area o=
f your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.
>> Phil
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. =
 I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head ga=
sket.  I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in th=
e day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).  =46rom day 1=
 it never really ran right.  I began to suspect coolant was getting into the=
 combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some c=
oolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hy=
drocarbons.  Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. =
 That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.  Since I'd had the head mag=
nafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket.
>>=20
>> I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.  A guy at a l=
ocal engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.  I had never h=
eard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they w=
ould not make a gasket for it.  He encouraged me to check the internet, and s=
ure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.  It's been a f=
ew years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83=
MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.  They stack=
ed steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.  I th=
ink I ordered a 3 layer gasket.  It all sounded a little fishy, but based on=
 the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one.
>>=20
>> I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, an=
d suddenly the engine ran great.  I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car s=
ince then and haven't had a problem.  It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, a=
s tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.  By the w=
ay, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.  I also used t=
hat.  A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.  Do not spray a t=
hick coat.  Below is the link to the Cometic web site.  Check it out.
>> Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorspor=
ts markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au...
>> Jack
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Phil, Dave,
>>=20
>> I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR=
4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust.
>> Thank you
>> Michael L
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">The folks at Racetorations swear &nbsp;by .=
005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble.<br>Phi=
l<br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite">On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot &lt;fot@au=
tox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFThe original cylinder sleeve&nbsp;specs are for or=
iginal factory&nbsp;head gaskets. &nbsp;They are very squishy and compress a=
 long way. Thats why its good to retorque =E2=80=9Cfactory=E2=80=9D head gas=
kets after a heat cycle. &nbsp;The space within is occupied by air which exp=
ands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. &nbs=
p;Sleeves compress .001=E2=80=9D minimal - depending on wall&nbsp;thickness.=
 &nbsp;I measured this at 100 lbs torque.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Different=
 gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of pro=
ducts either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top b=
etween gasket and head. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Its actually pretty s=
imple. &nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"__aol_mail_signature__">MDunst
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"http://Headgasket.com" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true=
" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"0">H=
eadgasket.com</a>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"tel:626.358.1616" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-a=
pple-data-detectors-type=3D"telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"1">6=
26.358.1616</a>&nbsp;<div>Fax&nbsp;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"tel:626.628.3777" x=
-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"telephone" x-a=
pple-data-detectors-result=3D"2">626.628.3777</a>&nbsp;</div><div>Triple R M=
unitions, Inc
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"tel:626.201.9471" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-a=
pple-data-detectors-type=3D"telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"3">6=
26.201.9471</a>&nbsp;</div><div>T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2</div></div>

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    On&nbsp;Saturday, August 1, 2020,&nbsp;Jack Wheeler via Fot&nbsp;&lt;<a d=
ir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true=
" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"4">f=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;&nbsp;wrote:
</div><br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 9px;padding:0 0 0 9px;"><div id=3D"yiv8400=
467774"><div><div class=3D"yiv8400467774ydp10683171yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><=
div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .0=
05", and this is critical.&nbsp; I found one at .002" one time, and tried it=
 anyway.&nbsp; It didn't work!&nbsp; So, measure carefully and make sure you=
 have at ;least .003" protrusion.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><=
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ns-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
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                    On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Wes=
tfall &lt;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" x-apple-data-de=
tectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors=
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                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917"><div>=

I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, b=
e careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know=F0=9F=A4=
=94) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm a=
t about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknes=
ses.<div>Cheers!</div><div>Russ Westfall&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"><div><div><=
br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" targ=
et=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://yho.com/footer0">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad=
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3fbdyiv9752833917yqt7771625207" id=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917y=
qt02613"><p class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yahoo-quoted-begin=
" style=3D"font-size:15px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0;">On S=
aturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot &lt;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-det=
ectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"7">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917=
iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917"><div>Michael;<di=
v>It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .0=
07=E2=80=9D to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the fig=
ure 8 gaskets. &nbsp;If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should b=
e milled to achieve the proper protrusion.</div><div>If you have milled the h=
ead more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bor=
es between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this a=
rea.</div><div>The rest of the advice you=E2=80=99ve received is pretty soun=
d, but I have not tried all of it.</div><div>Depending on how much you=E2=80=
=99ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, y=
ou may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protru=
de at all into the combustion chamber.</div><div>Phil<br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yqt381477=
9460" id=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yqtfd35058"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via =
Fot &lt;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" x-apple-data-detec=
tors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-re=
sult=3D"8">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none"></blockquote></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yqt3814779460" id=3D"yiv840=
0467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yqtfd97259">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"yiv8400467=
774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917ydp48ec8264yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family=
:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><cite class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv975=
2833917ydp93995a00algo-display-url">I've read all of the comments, but haven=
't heard anything about Cometic.&nbsp; I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number=
 of years ago, using the stock head gasket.&nbsp; I built the engine as I wo=
uld have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam a=
nd less compression (10.5:1).&nbsp; =46rom day 1 it never really ran right.&=
nbsp; I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so=
 I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the e=
ngine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.&nbsp; Sure=
 enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.&nbsp; That says b=
ad head gasket or crack in the head.&nbsp; Since I'd had the head magnafluxe=
d during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket.</cite></span></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><span><cite class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yd=
p93995a00algo-display-url"><br clear=3D"none"></cite></span></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><span><cite class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917ydp93995a00a=
lgo-display-url">I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket=
.&nbsp; A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Co=
metic.&nbsp; I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 y=
ears old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.&nbsp; He encouraged=
 me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them f=
or the TR engine.&nbsp; It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had=
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er different thicknesses.&nbsp; They stacked steel gaskets on top of each ot=
her to get to the thickness desired.&nbsp; I think I ordered a 3 layer gaske=
t.&nbsp; It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendati=
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s, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.&nbsp=
; By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.&nbsp=
; I also used that.&nbsp; A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the tric=
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<div>I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green T=
R4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust.</div>

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<div>Thank you</div>

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All really good advice, especially following one recipe no mixing and matchi=
ng and it will work out for you.=20

I really wanted to chime in on the reliability of the Payne type (composite)=
 gaskets. I=E2=80=99ve got a race motor with 12.75 compression with about 20=
 race weekends on it. And yes I push my motor pretty hard. I=E2=80=99ve alwa=
ys used the Payne style gaskets.=20

Wow now I=E2=80=99ve done it, I=E2=80=99m sure I have a motor rebuild in my n=
ear future now.=20

Best of luck,

Greg

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFThe folks at Racetorations swear  by .005 to .007 with a steel sh=
in head gasket. I do that with no trouble.
> Phil
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFThe original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head=
 gaskets.  They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good=
 to retorque =E2=80=9Cfactory=E2=80=9D head gaskets after a heat cycle.  The=
 space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the c=
ompress further after initial torque.  Sleeves compress .001=E2=80=9D minima=
l - depending on wall thickness.  I measured this at 100 lbs torque.=20
>>=20
>> Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assor=
tment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sl=
eeve on top between gasket and head. =20
>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>>=20
>> The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is criti=
cal.  I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway.  It didn't work!  S=
o, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion.
>>=20
>> Jack
>>=20
>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall <rwestfall@=
ymail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however=
, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know=F0=9F=
=A4=94) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I=
'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thic=
knesses.
e not tried all of it.
rote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.=
  I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head g=
asket.  I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in t=
he day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).  =46rom day 1=
 it never really ran right.  I began to suspect coolant was getting into the=
 combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some c=
oolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hy=
drocarbons.  Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. =
 That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.  Since I'd had the head mag=
nafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket.
>>>=20
>>> I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.  A guy at a=
 local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.  I had neve=
r heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely th=
ey would not make a gasket for it.  He encouraged me to check the internet, a=
nd sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.  It's bee=
n a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.=
e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.  They s=
tacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.  I=
 think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.  It all sounded a little fishy, but based=
 on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one.
>>>=20
>>> I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, a=
nd suddenly the engine ran great.  I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car s=
>>> Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorspo=
rts markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au...
>>> Jack
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Phil, Dave,
>>>=20
>>> I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green T=
R4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">All really good advice, especially followin=
g one recipe no mixing and matching and it will work out for you.&nbsp;<div>=
<br></div><div>I really wanted to chime in on the reliability of the Payne t=
ype (composite) gaskets. I=E2=80=99ve got a race motor with 12.75 compressio=
n with about 20 race weekends on it. And yes I push my motor pretty hard. I=E2=
=80=99ve always used the Payne style gaskets.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div=
>Wow now I=E2=80=99ve done it, I=E2=80=99m sure I have a motor rebuild in my=
 near future now.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Best of luck,</div><div><br=
></div><div>Greg<br><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Phil Go=
tt via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-t=
ype" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">The folks at Racetorations swear=
 &nbsp;by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trou=
ble.<br>Phil<br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFThe original cylinder sleeve&nbsp;specs=
 are for original factory&nbsp;head gaskets. &nbsp;They are very squishy and=
 compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque =E2=80=9Cfactory=E2=80=9D=
 head gaskets after a heat cycle. &nbsp;The space within is occupied by air w=
hich expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torq=
ue. &nbsp;Sleeves compress .001=E2=80=9D minimal - depending on wall&nbsp;th=
ickness. &nbsp;I measured this at 100 lbs torque.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>D=
ifferent gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortmen=
t of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve=
 on top between gasket and head. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Its actuall=
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