Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2

From: Tony Drews via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:54:05 -0500

Another Grattan video.  Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 
and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.  13 minutes of full-on racing.

https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c

Cheers, Tony Drews

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Yes, using California Air.

Joe Alexander
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> On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Keith Files via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
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> =EF=BB=BFSo, my dyno might be optimistic but it is 206bhp at 6511 rpm...=20=

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> The engine is 87mm as per FIA regulations,
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> It is a very strong engine built by TR Enterprises here in the UK using al=
l the best bits from Kas=E2=80=99s knowledge...
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> Kind regards,
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> Keith
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>> On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:54, Michael Deweerd via Fot <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
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>> Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!!  175-190hp ?? I=E2=80=99ve no=
t had my new engine on a dyno but I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99ll have th=
at number Of ponies.=20
>> We should talk because there are some =E2=80=9Ckiller B=E2=80=99s=E2=80=9D=
 here in Canada that need squashing lol=20
>> Mike=20
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>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight cor=
ners.
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>>> But Triumphs do better from my experience.
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>>> My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster th=
an a MG.
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>>> Cheers
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>>> Von: Kas Kastner <[email-masked]>=20
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11
>>> An: MadMarx <[email-masked]>
>>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2
>>>=20
>>> =20
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>>> I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars.  EX=
CEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigge=
r) and they are much better than the M.G.'s.  I also think  the MG's are  a l=
ot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think t=
hat the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine=
.  Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using hig=
h revs and very reliable.
>>>=20
>>> Never be beaten by equipment.
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>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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>>> Very well driven.
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>>> Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick?
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>>> Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-)
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>>> =20
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>>> What power do they make?
>>>=20
>>> Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190=
 Hp range.
>>>=20
>>> =20
>>>=20
>>> Cheers
>>>=20
>>> Chris
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>>> =20
>>>=20
>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
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>>> Another Grattan video.  Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB=20=

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>>> and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.  13 minutes of full-on raci=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Yes, using California Air.<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Joe Alexander<div>4505 Donald Dr</div><div>Cedar Falls, IA 50613</div>=
<div>The-vintage-racer.com</div><div>Gasketinnovations.com</div><div>Cell: &=
nbsp;319.464.4711</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Keith Files via Fot &lt;fot@auto=
x.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/ht=
ml; charset=3Dutf-8">So, my dyno might be optimistic but it is 206bhp at 651=
1 rpm...&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The engin=
e is 87mm as per FIA regulations,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D"">It is a very strong engine built by TR Enterprises here in t=
he UK using all the best bits from Kas=E2=80=99s knowledge...</div><div clas=
s=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Kind regards,</div><div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Keith</div><div class=3D""><div><br c=
lass=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 20 Aug 202=
0, at 16:54, Michael Deweerd via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-inte=
rchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"=
">Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! &nbsp;175-190hp ?? I=E2=80=99v=
e not had my new engine on a dyno but I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99ll hav=
e that number Of ponies.&nbsp;</div></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">We sh=
ould talk because there are some =E2=80=9Ckiller B=E2=80=99s=E2=80=9D here i=
n Canada that need squashing lol&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Mik=
e&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clas=
s=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-l=
eft-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purpl=
e" class=3D""><div class=3D"m_-6273161709026903794WordSection1"><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on ti=
ght corners.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">B=
ut Triumphs do better from my experience.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is=
 on most cases faster than a MG.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Cheers<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Chris<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u c=
lass=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D=
""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><div style=3D"border-style:solid none non=
e;border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)=
" class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"DE" class=3D=
"">Von:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE" class=3D""> Kas Kastner &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt; <br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 20. August 2=
020 15:11<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b> MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">tr4racing@googlemail.=
com</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2=
<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><div class=3D""><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">I see the same thing here with&nbsp;good Mg's quicker than&nbsp;the=
 TR-4 cars.&nbsp; EXCEPT&nbsp;we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepar=
ed&nbsp;with the engine&nbsp;(bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.=
's.&nbsp; I also think &nbsp;the MG's are&nbsp; a lot lighter&nbsp;in weight=
&nbsp;for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engi=
ne is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine.&nbsp; Way bac=
k in years I built MG engines&nbsp;and they were excellent in using high rev=
s and very reliable.<br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u><u class=3D=
""></u></p><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D""><strong class=3D"">=
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D""=
>Never be beaten by equipment.</span></strong><u class=3D""></u><u class=3D"=
"></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u clas=
s=3D""></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=
=3D""></u></p><div class=3D""></div></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"=
blue" vlink=3D"purple" class=3D""><div class=3D"m_-6273161709026903794WordSe=
ction1"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 2=
0, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u class=3D=
""></u><u class=3D""></u></p></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" lin=
k=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" class=3D""><div class=3D"m_-6273161709026903794W=
ordSection1"><div class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none non=
e solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;marg=
in-right:0cm;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" class=3D""></blockquote></d=
iv></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" class=3D""=
><div class=3D"m_-6273161709026903794WordSection1"><div class=3D""><blockquo=
te style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;border-left-color:rgb(204=
,204,204)" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Very well driven.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick?<u class=3D"=
"></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Normally Triumphs eat MGs=
 and Porsches for Breakfast ;-)<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">What power do they make?<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s=
 are about 175-190 Hp range.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">Cheers<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Chris<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<=
u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p></div><blockqu=
ote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding=
:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)=
" class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Another Gra=
ttan video.&nbsp; Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB <br class=3D=
""><br class=3D"">and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.&nbsp; 13 minu=
tes of full-on racing.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=
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From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC)

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GREAT RACING by all involved.
Loved the way you used traffic on that one pass.
Bill

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GREAT RACING by all involved.<div><br></div><div>Loved the way you used tra=
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