Subject: Re: [Fot] Another brake pad

From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:10:44 -0700 (PDT)

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Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing.  We need these companies to build us quality parts.  As if brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible.  These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap.   I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I found could help others.  Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place?  They sell these pads to a lot of racers.  Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor?  One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit.  Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all.  I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding.  It was really a total pain in the behind.  Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot.   But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel.  

DH

> On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
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>     Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice.
>     DH
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ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Obviously we don&#39;t have many choices=
 for our brakes for racing.&#160; We need these companies to build us quali=
ty parts.&#160; As if brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a=
 way as possible.&#160; These things are not inexpensive, but they are buil=
t kinda cheap.&#160; &#160;I went through quite a time consuming process tr=
ying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake issues =
and felt sharing what I found could help others.&#160; Porterfield was will=
ing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place?=
&#160; They sell these pads to a lot of racers.&#160; Does this R4 pad alwa=
ys hang over the edge of the rotor?&#160; One would think and hope that the=
y are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car th=
ey might fit.&#160; Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less will=
ing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all.&#160; I went back=
 and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding.&=
#160; It was really a total pain in the behind.&#160; Hawk pads have been o=
f excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the =
closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot.&#160; &#160;B=
ut, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don&#39;t have as much of a pr=
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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 22:39:51 -0400

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I have a similar but much less pronounced overhang on my R4 pads. I ignore i=
t and they run fine.
Phil
114 TR4A

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
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> Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing.  We need t=
hese companies to build us quality parts.  As if brakes might have an import=
ant job to do in as safe a way as possible.  These things are not inexpensiv=
e, but they are built kinda cheap.   I went through quite a time consuming p=
rocess trying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake=
 issues and felt sharing what I found could help others.  Porterfield was wi=
lling to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place=
?  They sell these pads to a lot of racers.  Does this R4 pad always hang ov=
er the edge of the rotor?  One would think and hope that they are all made t=
o the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit.  Ca=
rbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact t=
hat there was any problem at all.  I went back and forth with phone calls an=
d sending them photos of what I was finding.  It was really a total pain in t=
he behind.  Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same pa=
rt every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate a=
nd caliper slot.   But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have a=
s much of a progressive feel. =20
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> DH
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>> On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
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>> Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. N=
ice.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I have a similar but much less pronounced o=
verhang on my R4 pads. I ignore it and they run fine.<div>Phil</div><div>114=
 TR4A<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">

    <meta charset=3D"UTF-8">
<p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; colo=
r: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for=
 racing.&nbsp; We need these companies to build us quality parts.&nbsp; As i=
f brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible.&nbs=
p; These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap.&nbsp; &=
nbsp;I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand and d=
etermine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I f=
ound could help others.&nbsp; Porterfield was willing to address the problem=
, but why was there a problem in the first place?&nbsp; They sell these pads=
 to a lot of racers.&nbsp; Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the=
 rotor?&nbsp; One would think and hope that they are all made to the same sp=
ecs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit.&nbsp; Carbotech w=
as more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that ther=
e was any problem at all.&nbsp; I went back and forth with phone calls and s=
ending them photos of what I was finding.&nbsp; It was really a total pain i=
n the behind.&nbsp; Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the=
 same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backin=
g plate and caliper slot.&nbsp; &nbsp;But, they seem to be harder on the rot=
ors and don't have as much of a progressive feel.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p style=3D=
"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 5=
1, 51);">DH</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Ho=
gye via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br><br><br>Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the e=
dge of the rotor. Nice.<br>DH <br><br><br><br>Sent from my iPhone___________=
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From: Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:56:11 +0200

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Pagid is making pads for the TR standard brakes.

RSH 3 it is named.

If you don=E2=80=99t get them in USA I can send some batches to Joe =
Alexander?

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: Fot <[email-masked]> Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 04:40
An: DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]>
Cc: Friends Of Triumph <[email-masked]>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Another brake pad

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I have a similar but much less pronounced overhang on my R4 pads. I =
ignore it and they run fine.

Phil

114 TR4A

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked] =

Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing.  We need =
these companies to build us quality parts.  As if brakes might have an =
important job to do in as safe a way as possible.  These things are not =
inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap.   I went through quite a =
time consuming process trying to understand and determine what was going =
on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I found could help =
others.  Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was =
there a problem in the first place?  They sell these pads to a lot of =
racers.  Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor?  One =
would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our =
Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit.  Carbotech was more =
difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there =
was any problem at all.  I went back and forth with phone calls and =
sending them photos of what I was finding.  It was really a total pain =
in the behind.  Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the =
same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the =
backing plate and caliper slot.   But, they seem to be harder on the =
rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. =20

DH

On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot <[email-masked] =

Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. =
Nice.
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Pagid is making pads =
for the TR standard brakes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>RSH 3 it is =
named.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If you don=E2=80=99t get them in =
USA I can send some batches to Joe Alexander?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Von:</b> Fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Phil Gott via =
Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 04:40<br><b>An:</b> DAVE =
HOGYE &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Friends Of Triumph =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Another brake =
pad<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have a =
similar but much less pronounced overhang on my R4 pads. I ignore it and =
they run fine.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Phil<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>114 TR4A<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE =
HOGYE via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing.&nbsp; =
We need these companies to build us quality parts.&nbsp; As if brakes =
might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible.&nbsp; =
These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap.&nbsp; =
&nbsp;I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand =
and determine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing =
what I found could help others.&nbsp; Porterfield was willing to address =
the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place?&nbsp; They =
sell these pads to a lot of racers.&nbsp; Does this R4 pad always hang =
over the edge of the rotor?&nbsp; One would think and hope that they are =
all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they =
might fit.&nbsp; Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less =
willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all.&nbsp; I =
went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I =
was finding.&nbsp; It was really a total pain in the behind.&nbsp; Hawk =
pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time =
and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and =
caliper slot.&nbsp; &nbsp;But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and =
don't have as much of a progressive =
feel.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>DH<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br><br>Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the =
edge of the rotor. Nice.<br>DH <br><br><br><br>Sent from my =
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