Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Blow-by Cause?

From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:14:01 +0200 (CEST)

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If the catch can has a connection to a (low) spot of the crankcase, lots of=
 oil can be pushed into the catch can at the track curves, especially when =
the duct between the crankcase and the can has only a small diameter, then =
the oil cannot return to the crankcase. It means there is some blow by, but=
 maybe the symptoms are not necessarily bad news.=20
Marcel=20

Van: "fot" <[email-masked]>=20
Aan: "fot" <[email-masked]>=20
Verzonden: Woensdag 22 mei 2019 04:31:47=20
Onderwerp: [Fot] Oil Blow-by Cause?=20

I just had a great weekend at Summit Point, perfect weather, four days and =
lots of track time, some quick laps and good racing.=20
After my last session, I noticed some dripping oil as I put the car in the =
trailer.=20
Got it home to find a half full catch can (1 pint?), and evidence of oil bl=
owing out of the valve cover cap vent hole.=20
Tonight I ran a compression test and leakdown test. Cold engine results:=20

1 - 200 and 2%=20
2- 180 and 6%=20
3 - 180 and 9%=20
4 - 195 and 0%=20
5 - 190 and 0%=20
6 - 185 and 0%=20

Note - I suspect my longacre leakdown gauge may not be reading quite right,=
 as when i have the air side set to 100, the leakdown % on the last three i=
s slightly below zero. So, perhaps the leakdown on the first three is highe=
r.=20
There was no excess oil until the last session. Oil pressure is about 50 ho=
t at idle and 65 - 75 at speed, depending on RPM.=20
EGT readings remained in the 1200 - 1250 range across three monitored cylin=
ders at top speed=20
What do i have - failing rings?=20
Any diagnosis or tests you recommend before I start pulling the thing apart=
 would be appreciated.=20

Triumphs racing - I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99m missing a few but this is wh=
o I remember.=20
TR3 - John Hasty, Henry Frye, John Styduhar=20
GT6 - me, Paul King, Jason Sukey, Jay De Pol until his diff case broke=20
Spitfire - Russ Moore, Marty Sukey, Jeff Govert, Kent Bain, others=20
Tr4 - Mark Wheatley, Allen Goode, I=E2=80=99m missing at least another one=
=20

Scott Janzen=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>If the catch can has a connection =
to a (low) spot of the crankcase, lots of oil can be pushed into the catch =
can at the track curves, especially when the duct between the crankcase and=
 the can has only a small diameter, then the oil cannot return to the crank=
case. It means there is some blow by, but maybe the symptoms are not necess=
arily bad&nbsp; news.</div><div>Marcel</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"=
 data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"=
fot" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Aan: </b>"fot" &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Woensdag 22 mei 2019 04:31:47<br><b>Onderwerp: </=
b>[Fot] Oil Blow-by Cause?<br></div><br><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__=
">I just had a great weekend at Summit Point, perfect weather, four days an=
d lots of track time, some quick laps and good racing. &nbsp;<div class=3D"=
">After my last session, I noticed some dripping oil as I put the car in th=
e trailer.</div><div class=3D"">Got it home to find a half full catch can (=
1 pint?), and evidence of oil blowing out of the valve cover cap vent hole.=
</div><div class=3D"">Tonight I ran a compression test and leakdown test. &=
nbsp;Cold engine results:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div cl=
ass=3D"">1 - 200 and 2%</div><div class=3D"">2- 180 and 6%</div><div class=
=3D"">3 - 180 and 9%</div><div class=3D"">4 - 195 and 0%</div><div class=3D=
"">5 - 190 and 0%</div><div class=3D"">6 - 185 and 0%</div><div class=3D"">=
<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Note - I suspect my longacre leakdown =
gauge may not be reading quite right, as when i have the air side set to 10=
0, the leakdown % on the last three is slightly below zero. &nbsp;So, perha=
ps the leakdown on the first three is higher.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">Th=
ere was no excess oil until the last session. &nbsp;Oil pressure is about 5=
0 hot at idle and 65 - 75 at speed, depending on RPM.</div><div class=3D"">=
EGT readings remained in the 1200 - 1250 range across three monitored cylin=
ders at top speed</div><div class=3D"">What do i have - failing rings? &nbs=
p;</div><div class=3D"">Any diagnosis or tests you recommend before I start=
 pulling the thing apart would be appreciated.</div><div class=3D""><br cla=
ss=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Triumphs racing - I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99=
m missing a few but this is who I remember.</div><div class=3D"">TR3 - John=
 Hasty, Henry Frye, John Styduhar</div><div class=3D"">GT6 - me, Paul King,=
 Jason Sukey, Jay De Pol until his diff case broke</div><div class=3D"">Spi=
tfire - Russ Moore, Marty Sukey, Jeff Govert, Kent Bain, others&nbsp;</div>=
<div class=3D"">Tr4 - Mark Wheatley, Allen Goode, I=E2=80=99m missing at le=
ast another one</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">S=
cott Janzen</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br>_________________=
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From: Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:51:00 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hi,
First off - I'd only to the leakdown test with the engine hot. Cold numbers=
 don't really count. The numbers that you give look pretty good from a leak=
down perspective. As a point of reference, with >10% leakdown into the sump=
 in a couple of cylinders, you will see oil drip out of the strangest place=
s (like around the nuts holding the valve cover down and the filler cap to =
which you refer.) So, either your gauge is lying or you need to verify your=
 numbers with the engine at operating temps (and see if the numbers change)=
. If you have access to another gauge, that might help figure out if anythi=
ng is wrong. Oh, and is there any oil fouling on the plugs? Blow by should =
also introduce some oil into the cylinders when you lift off...

I think Marcel's suggestion has merit.
Let us know if you find anything.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 4:14:19 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via F=
ot <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 If the catch can has a connection to a (low) spot of the crankcase, lots o=
f oil can be pushed into the catch can at the track curves, especially when=
 the duct between the crankcase and the can has only a small diameter, then=
 the oil cannot return to the crankcase. It means there is some blow by, bu=
t maybe the symptoms are not necessarily bad=C2=A0 news.Marcel
Van: "fot" <[email-masked]>
Aan: "fot" <[email-masked]>
Verzonden: Woensdag 22 mei 2019 04:31:47
Onderwerp: [Fot] Oil Blow-by Cause?

I just had a great weekend at Summit Point, perfect weather, four days and =
lots of track time, some quick laps and good racing. =C2=A0After my last se=
ssion, I noticed some dripping oil as I put the car in the trailer.Got it h=
ome to find a half full catch can (1 pint?), and evidence of oil blowing ou=
t of the valve cover cap vent hole.Tonight I ran a compression test and lea=
kdown test. =C2=A0Cold engine results:
1 - 200 and 2%2- 180 and 6%3 - 180 and 9%4 - 195 and 0%5 - 190 and 0%6 - 18=
5 and 0%
Note - I suspect my longacre leakdown gauge may not be reading quite right,=
 as when i have the air side set to 100, the leakdown % on the last three i=
s slightly below zero. =C2=A0So, perhaps the leakdown on the first three is=
 higher.=C2=A0There was no excess oil until the last session. =C2=A0Oil pre=
ssure is about 50 hot at idle and 65 - 75 at speed, depending on RPM.EGT re=
adings remained in the 1200 - 1250 range across three monitored cylinders a=
t top speedWhat do i have - failing rings? =C2=A0Any diagnosis or tests you=
 recommend before I start pulling the thing apart would be appreciated.
Triumphs racing - I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99m missing a few but this is wh=
o I remember.TR3 - John Hasty, Henry Frye, John StyduharGT6 - me, Paul King=
, Jason Sukey, Jay De Pol until his diff case brokeSpitfire - Russ Moore, M=
arty Sukey, Jeff Govert, Kent Bain, others=C2=A0Tr4 - Mark Wheatley, Allen =
Goode, I=E2=80=99m missing at least another one
Scott Janzen

[email-masked]

@yahoo.com

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;"><div></div>
        <div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>First off - I'd only to the leakd=
own test with the engine hot. Cold numbers don't really count. The numbers =
that you give look pretty good from a leakdown perspective. As a point of r=
eference, with &gt;10% leakdown into the sump in a couple of cylinders, you=
 will see oil drip out of the strangest places (like around the nuts holdin=
g the valve cover down and the filler cap to which you refer.) So, either y=
our gauge is lying or you need to verify your numbers with the engine at op=
erating temps (and see if the numbers change). If you have access to anothe=
r gauge, that might help figure out if anything is wrong. Oh, and is there =
any oil fouling on the plugs? Blow by should also introduce some oil into t=
he cylinders when you lift off...<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think Marc=
el's suggestion has merit.</div><div><br></div><div>Let us know if you find=
 anything.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Bob Lang<br></div><d=
iv><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"yahoo_quoted_8561256062" class=3D"yahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
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                    On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 4:14:19 AM EDT, van.mulders=
.marcel--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"yiv8845066306"><div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"><di=
v>If the catch can has a connection to a (low) spot of the crankcase, lots =
of oil can be pushed into the catch can at the track curves, especially whe=
n the duct between the crankcase and the can has only a small diameter, the=
n the oil cannot return to the crankcase. It means there is some blow by, b=
ut maybe the symptoms are not necessarily bad&nbsp; news.</div><div>Marcel<=
/div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><hr id=3D"yiv8845066306zwchr"><div class=
=3D"yiv8845066306yqt7826991802" id=3D"yiv8845066306yqtfd94441"><div><b>Van:=
 </b>"fot" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Aan: </b>"fot" &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Verzonden: </b>Woensdag 22 m=
ei 2019 04:31:47<br clear=3D"none"><b>Onderwerp: </b>[Fot] Oil Blow-by Caus=
e?<br clear=3D"none"></div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><div class=3D"yiv8=
845066306yqt7826991802" id=3D"yiv8845066306yqtfd88235">I just had a great w=
eekend at Summit Point, perfect weather, four days and lots of track time, =
some quick laps and good racing. &nbsp;<div class=3D"yiv8845066306">After m=
y last session, I noticed some dripping oil as I put the car in the trailer=
.</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">Got it home to find a half full catch c=
an (1 pint?), and evidence of oil blowing out of the valve cover cap vent h=
ole.</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">Tonight I ran a compression test and=
 leakdown test. &nbsp;Cold engine results:</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306=
"><br class=3D"yiv8845066306" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8845066=
306">1 - 200 and 2%</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">2- 180 and 6%</div><d=
iv class=3D"yiv8845066306">3 - 180 and 9%</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306"=
>4 - 195 and 0%</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">5 - 190 and 0%</div><div =
class=3D"yiv8845066306">6 - 185 and 0%</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306"><b=
r class=3D"yiv8845066306" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306"=
>Note - I suspect my longacre leakdown gauge may not be reading quite right=
, as when i have the air side set to 100, the leakdown % on the last three =
is slightly below zero. &nbsp;So, perhaps the leakdown on the first three i=
s higher.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">There was no excess oil u=
ntil the last session. &nbsp;Oil pressure is about 50 hot at idle and 65 - =
75 at speed, depending on RPM.</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">EGT readin=
gs remained in the 1200 - 1250 range across three monitored cylinders at to=
p speed</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">What do i have - failing rings? &=
nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">Any diagnosis or tests you recommen=
d before I start pulling the thing apart would be appreciated.</div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv8845066306"><br class=3D"yiv8845066306" clear=3D"none"></div><div=
 class=3D"yiv8845066306">Triumphs racing - I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99m mis=
sing a few but this is who I remember.</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">TR=
3 - John Hasty, Henry Frye, John Styduhar</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306"=
>GT6 - me, Paul King, Jason Sukey, Jay De Pol until his diff case broke</di=
v><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">Spitfire - Russ Moore, Marty Sukey, Jeff Gov=
ert, Kent Bain, others&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306">Tr4 - Mark W=
heatley, Allen Goode, I=E2=80=99m missing at least another one</div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv8845066306"><br class=3D"yiv8845066306" clear=3D"none"></div><div=
 class=3D"yiv8845066306">Scott Janzen</div><div class=3D"yiv8845066306"><br=
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From: John Styduhar via Fot <[email-masked]>
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If you have an accusump, check if the valve is operating properly.  Maybe
the valve was closed accidentally during running and the engine oil level
was excessive.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 6:54 AM Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> First off - I'd only to the leakdown test with the engine hot. Cold
> numbers don't really count. The numbers that you give look pretty good fr=
om
> a leakdown perspective. As a point of reference, with >10% leakdown into
> the sump in a couple of cylinders, you will see oil drip out of the
> strangest places (like around the nuts holding the valve cover down and t=
he
> filler cap to which you refer.) So, either your gauge is lying or you nee=
d
> to verify your numbers with the engine at operating temps (and see if the
> numbers change). If you have access to another gauge, that might help
> figure out if anything is wrong. Oh, and is there any oil fouling on the
> plugs? Blow by should also introduce some oil into the cylinders when you
> lift off...
>
> Regards,
> Bob Lang
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 4:14:19 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot=
 <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> If the catch can has a connection to a (low) spot of the crankcase, lots
> of oil can be pushed into the catch can at the track curves, especially
> when the duct between the crankcase and the can has only a small diameter=
,
> then the oil cannot return to the crankcase. It means there is some blow
> by, but maybe the symptoms are not necessarily bad  news.
> Marcel
>
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"fot" <[email-masked]>
> *Aan: *"fot" <[email-masked]>
> *Verzonden: *Woensdag 22 mei 2019 04:31:47
> *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Oil Blow-by Cause?
>
> I just had a great weekend at Summit Point, perfect weather, four days an=
d
> lots of track time, some quick laps and good racing.
> After my last session, I noticed some dripping oil as I put the car in th=
e
> trailer.
> Got it home to find a half full catch can (1 pint?), and evidence of oil
> blowing out of the valve cover cap vent hole.
> Tonight I ran a compression test and leakdown test.  Cold engine results:
>
> 1 - 200 and 2%
> 2- 180 and 6%
> 3 - 180 and 9%
> 4 - 195 and 0%
> 5 - 190 and 0%
> 6 - 185 and 0%
>
> Note - I suspect my longacre leakdown gauge may not be reading quite
> right, as when i have the air side set to 100, the leakdown % on the last
> three is slightly below zero.  So, perhaps the leakdown on the first thre=
e
> is higher.
> There was no excess oil until the last session.  Oil pressure is about 50
> hot at idle and 65 - 75 at speed, depending on RPM.
> EGT readings remained in the 1200 - 1250 range across three monitored
> cylinders at top speed
> What do i have - failing rings?
> Any diagnosis or tests you recommend before I start pulling the thing
> apart would be appreciated.
>
> Triumphs racing - I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99m missing a few but this is =
who I remember.
> TR3 - John Hasty, Henry Frye, John Styduhar
> GT6 - me, Paul King, Jason Sukey, Jay De Pol until his diff case broke
> Spitfire - Russ Moore, Marty Sukey, Jeff Govert, Kent Bain, others
> Tr4 - Mark Wheatley, Allen Goode, I=E2=80=99m missing at least another on=
e
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">If =
you have an accusump, check if the valve is operating properly.=C2=A0 Maybe=
 the valve was closed accidentally during running and the engine oil level =
was excessive.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 6:54 AM Robert Lang=
 via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><=
div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492ydp2edd5880yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-=
size:13px"><div></div>
        <div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>First off - I&#39;d only to the l=
eakdown test with the engine hot. Cold numbers don&#39;t really count. The =
numbers that you give look pretty good from a leakdown perspective. As a po=
int of reference, with &gt;10% leakdown into the sump in a couple of cylind=
ers, you will see oil drip out of the strangest places (like around the nut=
s holding the valve cover down and the filler cap to which you refer.) So, =
either your gauge is lying or you need to verify your numbers with the engi=
ne at operating temps (and see if the numbers change). If you have access t=
o another gauge, that might help figure out if anything is wrong. Oh, and i=
s there any oil fouling on the plugs? Blow by should also introduce some oi=
l into the cylinders when you lift off...<br></div><div><br></div><div>I th=
ink Marcel&#39;s suggestion has merit.</div><div><br></div><div>Let us know=
 if you find anything.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Bob Lang=
<br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 4:14:19 AM EDT, van.mulders=
.marcel--- via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>If the catch can has a connection to a (low) sp=
ot of the crankcase, lots of oil can be pushed into the catch can at the tr=
ack curves, especially when the duct between the crankcase and the can has =
only a small diameter, then the oil cannot return to the crankcase. It mean=
s there is some blow by, but maybe the symptoms are not necessarily bad=C2=
=A0 news.</div><div>Marcel</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><hr id=3D"gma=
il-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306zwchr"><div class=3D"gmail-m_897487490=
6473699492yiv8845066306yqt7826991802" id=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8=
845066306yqtfd94441"><div><b>Van: </b>&quot;fot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none"><b>Aan: </b>&quot;fot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Verz=
onden: </b>Woensdag 22 mei 2019 04:31:47<br clear=3D"none"><b>Onderwerp: </=
b>[Fot] Oil Blow-by Cause?<br clear=3D"none"></div><br clear=3D"none"></div=
><div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306yqt7826991802" =
id=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306yqtfd88235">I just had a grea=
t weekend at Summit Point, perfect weather, four days and lots of track tim=
e, some quick laps and good racing. =C2=A0<div class=3D"gmail-m_89748749064=
73699492yiv8845066306">After my last session, I noticed some dripping oil a=
s I put the car in the trailer.</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699=
492yiv8845066306">Got it home to find a half full catch can (1 pint?), and =
evidence of oil blowing out of the valve cover cap vent hole.</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">Tonight I ran a compression=
 test and leakdown test.=C2=A0 Cold engine results:</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306"><br class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699=
492yiv8845066306" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"gmail-m_89748749064736=
99492yiv8845066306">1 - 200 and 2%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473=
699492yiv8845066306">2- 180 and 6%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473=
699492yiv8845066306">3 - 180 and 9%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_897487490647=
3699492yiv8845066306">4 - 195 and 0%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_89748749064=
73699492yiv8845066306">5 - 190 and 0%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906=
473699492yiv8845066306">6 - 185 and 0%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_897487490=
6473699492yiv8845066306"><br class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066=
306" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv88450=
66306">Note - I suspect my longacre leakdown gauge may not be reading quite=
 right, as when i have the air side set to 100, the leakdown % on the last =
three is slightly below zero.=C2=A0 So, perhaps the leakdown on the first t=
hree is higher.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845=
066306">There was no excess oil until the last session.=C2=A0 Oil pressure =
is about 50 hot at idle and 65 - 75 at speed, depending on RPM.</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">EGT readings remained in =
the 1200 - 1250 range across three monitored cylinders at top speed</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">What do i have - fail=
ing rings? =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv88450663=
06">Any diagnosis or tests you recommend before I start pulling the thing a=
part would be appreciated.</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yi=
v8845066306"><br class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306" clear=
=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">Tri=
umphs racing - I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99m missing a few but this is who I=
 remember.</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">TR3=
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Haven=E2=80=99t figured out the problem yet, but I thought this =
explanation from Longacre on how a leakdown gauge works might interest =
you all.

"The leak down gauge is simply a 100 psi gauge that reads backwards from =
a tire pressure gauge. Basically if you have 100 psi going to your =
cylinder and it doesn=E2=80=99t leak down at all then it will show you 0 =
leak down and/or 100 psi if it was a normal pressure gauge. If your =
regulator is set higher then 100 then the leakdown gauge will go below =
zero because its showing a higher pressure."

So, one of my gauges is no longer reading correctly, as I=E2=80=99m =
getting a higher pressure on the cylinder than on the supply, on some =
cylinders.  Have to swap them out to figure out which, and then I=E2=80=99=
ll be able to determine how much leakdown there really is. =20

More to follow this weekend!

On May 22, 2019, at 7:05 AM, John Styduhar <[email-masked]> wrote:

If you have an accusump, check if the valve is operating properly.  =
Maybe the valve was closed accidentally during running and the engine =
oil level was excessive. =20

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 6:54 AM Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked] =
Hi,

First off - I'd only to the leakdown test with the engine hot. Cold =
numbers don't really count. The numbers that you give look pretty good =
from a leakdown perspective. As a point of reference, with >10% leakdown =
into the sump in a couple of cylinders, you will see oil drip out of the =
strangest places (like around the nuts holding the valve cover down and =
the filler cap to which you refer.) So, either your gauge is lying or =
you need to verify your numbers with the engine at operating temps (and =
see if the numbers change). If you have access to another gauge, that =
might help figure out if anything is wrong. Oh, and is there any oil =
fouling on the plugs? Blow by should also introduce some oil into the =
cylinders when you lift off...

Regards,
Bob Lang

On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 4:14:19 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via =

If the catch can has a connection to a (low) spot of the crankcase, lots =
of oil can be pushed into the catch can at the track curves, especially =
when the duct between the crankcase and the can has only a small =
diameter, then the oil cannot return to the crankcase. It means there is =
some blow by, but maybe the symptoms are not necessarily bad  news.
Marcel

I just had a great weekend at Summit Point, perfect weather, four days =
and lots of track time, some quick laps and good racing. =20
After my last session, I noticed some dripping oil as I put the car in =
the trailer.
Got it home to find a half full catch can (1 pint?), and evidence of oil =
blowing out of the valve cover cap vent hole.
Tonight I ran a compression test and leakdown test.  Cold engine =
results:

1 - 200 and 2%
2- 180 and 6%
3 - 180 and 9%
4 - 195 and 0%
5 - 190 and 0%
6 - 185 and 0%

Note - I suspect my longacre leakdown gauge may not be reading quite =
right, as when i have the air side set to 100, the leakdown % on the =
last three is slightly below zero.  So, perhaps the leakdown on the =
first three is higher.=20
There was no excess oil until the last session.  Oil pressure is about =
50 hot at idle and 65 - 75 at speed, depending on RPM.
EGT readings remained in the 1200 - 1250 range across three monitored =
cylinders at top speed
What do i have - failing rings? =20
Any diagnosis or tests you recommend before I start pulling the thing =
apart would be appreciated.

Tr4 - Mark Wheatley, Allen Goode, I=E2=80=99m missing at least another =
one

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Haven=E2=80=99t figured out the problem yet, but I thought =
this explanation from Longacre on how a leakdown gauge works might =
interest you all.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">"<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: =
14.666666984558105px;" class=3D"">The leak down gauge is simply a 100 =
psi gauge that reads backwards from a tire pressure gauge. Basically if =
you have 100 psi going to your cylinder and it doesn=E2=80=99t leak down =
at all then it will show you 0 leak down and/or 100 psi if it was a =
normal pressure gauge. If your regulator is set higher then 100 then the =
leakdown gauge will go below zero because its showing a higher =
pressure."</span></div><div class=3D""><div><br class=3D""></div><div>So, =
one of my gauges is no longer reading correctly, as I=E2=80=99m getting =
a higher pressure on the cylinder than on the supply, on some cylinders. =
&nbsp;Have to swap them out to figure out which, and then I=E2=80=99ll =
be able to determine how much leakdown there really is. =
&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>More to follow this =
weekend!</div><div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">On=
 May 22, 2019, at 7:05 AM, John Styduhar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small">If you have an accusump, check if the valve is =
operating properly.&nbsp; Maybe the valve was closed accidentally during =
running and the engine oil level was =
excessive.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May =
22, 2019 at 6:54 AM Robert Lang via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492ydp2edd5880yahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica =
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div =
class=3D""></div>
        <div class=3D"">Hi,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 class=3D"">First off - I'd only to the leakdown test with the engine =
hot. Cold numbers don't really count. The numbers that you give look =
pretty good from a leakdown perspective. As a point of reference, with =
&gt;10% leakdown into the sump in a couple of cylinders, you will see =
oil drip out of the strangest places (like around the nuts holding the =
valve cover down and the filler cap to which you refer.) So, either your =
gauge is lying or you need to verify your numbers with the engine at =
operating temps (and see if the numbers change). If you have access to =
another gauge, that might help figure out if anything is wrong. Oh, and =
is there any oil fouling on the plugs? Blow by should also introduce =
some oil into the cylinders when you lift off...<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think Marcel's =
suggestion has merit.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Let us know if you find anything.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Regards,</div><div class=3D"">Bob =
Lang<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
       =20
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class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yahoo_quoted">
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Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)" =
class=3D"">
               =20
                <div class=3D"">
                    On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 4:14:19 AM EDT, =
van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">If the catch =
can has a connection to a (low) spot of the crankcase, lots of oil can =
be pushed into the catch can at the track curves, especially when the =
duct between the crankcase and the can has only a small diameter, then =
the oil cannot return to the crankcase. It means there is some blow by, =
but maybe the symptoms are not necessarily bad&nbsp; news.</div><div =
class=3D"">Marcel</div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><hr id=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306zwchr" =
class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306yqt7826991802" =
id=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306yqtfd94441"><div =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Van: </b>"fot" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Aan: </b>"fot" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Verzonden: </b>Woensdag 22 mei 2019 04:31:47<br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Onderwerp: </b>[Fot] Oil Blow-by =
Cause?<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306yqt7826991802" =
id=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306yqtfd88235">I just had a =
great weekend at Summit Point, perfect weather, four days and lots of =
track time, some quick laps and good racing. &nbsp;<div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">After my last =
session, I noticed some dripping oil as I put the car in the =
trailer.</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">Got =
it home to find a half full catch can (1 pint?), and evidence of oil =
blowing out of the valve cover cap vent hole.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">Tonight I ran a =
compression test and leakdown test.&nbsp; Cold engine results:</div><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306"><br =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306" =
clear=3D"none"></div><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">1 - 200 and =
2%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">2- 180 =
and 6%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">3 - =
180 and 9%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">4 =
- 195 and 0%</div><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">5 - 190 and =
0%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">6 - 185 =
and 0%</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306"><br =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306" =
clear=3D"none"></div><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">Note - I suspect my =
longacre leakdown gauge may not be reading quite right, as when i have =
the air side set to 100, the leakdown % on the last three is slightly =
below zero.&nbsp; So, perhaps the leakdown on the first three is =
higher.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">There was no excess =
oil until the last session.&nbsp; Oil pressure is about 50 hot at idle =
and 65 - 75 at speed, depending on RPM.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">EGT readings remained =
in the 1200 - 1250 range across three monitored cylinders at top =
speed</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">What =
do i have - failing rings? &nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">Any diagnosis or =
tests you recommend before I start pulling the thing apart would be =
appreciated.</div><div =
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class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">Triumphs racing - =
I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99m missing a few but this is who I =
remember.</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8974874906473699492yiv8845066306">TR3=
 - John Hasty, Henry Frye, John Styduhar</div><div =
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Jason Sukey, Jay De Pol until his diff case broke</div><div =
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Moore, Marty Sukey, Jeff Govert, Kent Bain, others&nbsp;</div><div =
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