Subject: [Fot] Buying a Spitfire

From: Michael Moore via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 15:50:13 +0000

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Looking for a little help.

My brother-in-law is looking at a 76 Spitfire, he has never owned a British=
 car, but wants a project to work on together and learn with his son who is=
 into cars.

I told him the usual maintenance, etc. story. But I don't know much about S=
pitfires.

Looked over the car quickly yesterday, body is in good shape, no visible ru=
st except battery box. Interior is old but decent. Will need brake job (rea=
lly spongy) and rebuild front suspension.

Leaking oil at rear of head gasket (not valve cover) so a replacement will =
be needed.

Seller is asking $5500.

Is this a decent price (not adjusted for above items)?
Is this a good or bad year to buy?

Thanks, Mike

62 TR4, Race car
63 TR4, Street car

Mike & Becky Moore
6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Looking for a little help.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My brother-in-law is looking at a 76 Spitfire, he ha=
s never owned a British car, but wants a project to work on together and le=
arn with his son who is into cars.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I told him the usual maintenance, etc. story. But I =
don&#8217;t know much about Spitfires.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Looked over the car quickly yesterday, body is in go=
od shape, no visible rust except battery box. Interior is old but decent. W=
ill need brake job (really spongy) and rebuild front suspension.<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Leaking oil at rear of head gasket (not valve cover)=
 so a replacement will be needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Seller is asking $5500.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is this a decent price (not adjusted for above items=
)?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is this a good or bad year to buy?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"color:red">Thanks, Mike<o:p></o:p>=
</span></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">62 TR4, Race car<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">63 TR4, Street car<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Mike &amp; Becky Moore<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, =
PA 16415<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><a href=3D"mailto:mmoore@m=
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 17:40:05 +0000 (UTC)

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 Just a few things to check-Make sure "no rust" means no rust, any structur=
al rust will be a $$$ job to repair, and yes the tub does provide some rigi=
dity to the structure.Plan on full hydraulic rebuild.Check U-joints, rear a=
xles, hubs.Drive if possible to see if the rear gear R&P whines or if diff =
gears have lash.Driveline vibrations?
Engine main bearings are prone to failure.Check crank end float.Compression=
 check.Check gearbox for smooth shifts up and down and no excessive whine l=
ow & reverse.If the oil leak is directly @ L/H rear, coming from the head g=
asket, it's likely weeping from the oil feed hole to the top.The rest is pr=
etty much basic car, and any old Spitfire is likely gonna be a project, so =
in that sense it sounds perfect.Re value, it would have to be a good solid =
running Spit for that $$, but that's totally subjective.I've long told folk=
s who are getting into Brit sports cars, to try a Spit of Sprite/Midget fir=
st, to get a taste of it, and if one can deal with maintenance etc on one o=
f them it's time to step up into a real sports car, a B or big TR, etc.(not=
 to piss off any Spitfire owners...)
HTH.Glen
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Moore via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2019 12:16 pm
Subject: [Fot] Buying a Spitfire

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y brother-in-law is looking at a 76 Spitfire, he has never owned a British =
car, but wants a project to work on together and learn with his son who is =
into cars.  =C2=A0 I told him the usual maintenance, etc. story. But I don=
=E2=80=99t know much about Spitfires.  =C2=A0 Looked over the car quickly y=
esterday, body is in good shape, no visible rust except battery box. Interi=
or is old but decent. Will need brake job (really spongy) and rebuild front=
 suspension.  =C2=A0 Leaking oil at rear of head gasket (not valve cover) s=
o a replacement will be needed.  =C2=A0 Seller is asking $5500.  =C2=A0 Is =
this a decent price (not adjusted for above items)? Is this a good or bad y=
ear to buy?  =C2=A0  =C2=A0 Thanks, Mike  =C2=A0 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, S=
treet car  =C2=A0 Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415  =
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<div> <font size=3D"2">Just a few things to check-</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Make sure "no rust" means no rust, any structural rus=
t will be a $$$ job to repair, and yes the tub does provide some rigidity t=
o the structure.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Plan on full hydraulic rebuild.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Check U-joints, rear axles, hubs.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Drive if possible to see if the rear gear R&amp;P whi=
nes or if diff gears have lash.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Driveline vibrations?<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Engine main bearings are prone to failure.</font></di=
v>

<div><font size=3D"2">Check crank end float.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Compression check.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Check gearbox for smooth shifts up and down and no ex=
cessive whine low &amp; reverse.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">If the oil leak is directly @ L/H rear, coming from t=
he head gasket, it's likely weeping from the oil feed hole to the top.</fon=
t></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">The rest is pretty much basic car, and any old Spitfi=
re is likely gonna be a project, so in that sense it sounds perfect.</font>=
</div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Re value, it would have to be a good solid running Sp=
it for that $$, but that's totally subjective.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">I've long told folks who are getting into Brit sports=
 cars, to try a Spit of Sprite/Midget first, to get a taste of it, and if o=
ne can deal with maintenance etc on one of them it's time to step up into a=
 real sports car, a B or big TR, etc.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">(not to piss off any Spitfire owners...)<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">HTH.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
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From: Michael Moore via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2019 12:16 pm<br>
Subject: [Fot] Buying a Spitfire<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal">Looking for a little help.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal">My brother-in-law is looking at a 76 =
Spitfire, he has never owned a British car, but wants a project to work on =
together and learn with his son who is into cars.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal">I told him the usual maintenance, etc=
. story. But I don=E2=80=99t know much about Spitfires.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal">Looked over the car quickly yesterday=
, body is in good shape, no visible rust except battery box. Interior is ol=
d but decent. Will need brake job (really spongy) and rebuild front suspens=
ion.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal">Leaking oil at rear of head gasket (n=
ot valve cover) so a replacement will be needed.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal">Seller is asking $5500.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal">Is this a decent price (not adjusted =
for above items)?</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal">Is this a good or bad year to buy?</d=
iv>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"color:red;">Thanks,=
 Mike</span></i></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red;"> &nbsp;</s=
pan></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red;">62 TR4, Ra=
ce car</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red;">63 TR4, St=
reet car</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red;">Mike &amp;=
 Becky Moore</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5547019323MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red;">6050 Ruhl =
Road, Fairview, PA 16415</span></div>
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