Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question

From: fubog1 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 11:56:23 +0000 (UTC)

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 If you're using a stock thickness disc, and the PP is to spec, you should =
be fine.If you use a thicker disc, the PP has to be shimmed accordingly, be=
cause the geometry is changed and the over-center/release point will be off=
.HTH
Glen
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Schirano via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, May 23, 2019 10:24 pm
Subject: [Fot] laycock clutch question

Hey Friends
just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new clutch disc. As I=
 tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat across, no longer p=
eaked. So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will press the clutc=
h fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench). Makes me uncom=
fortable / doesn't seem right.=C2=A0
Normal / Correct?=C2=A0
am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please

ThanksBrian
26A GT6+Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
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<div> <font size="2">If you're using a stock thickness disc, and the PP is to spec, you should be fine.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">If you use a thicker disc, the PP has to be shimmed accordingly, because the geometry is changed and the over-center/release point will be off.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">HTH<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="2">Glen</font><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Brian Schirano via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: FOT Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, May 23, 2019 10:24 pm<br>
Subject: [Fot] laycock clutch question<br>
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<div>Hey Friends</div>

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<div>just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new clutch disc. As I tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat across, no longer peaked. So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench). Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Normal / Correct?&nbsp;</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please<br>
</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Thanks</div>

<div>Brian</div>

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<div>26A GT6+</div>
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585-305-0349 Cell&nbsp;<br>
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From: fubog1 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 14:36:14 +0000 (UTC)

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 To physically test the action of the clutch, you can set them up on a flyw=
heel sitting on a chassis scale pad, in a press, and measure the load as yo=
u pump it up.When it gets to the release point the pressure will be max and=
 then drop off quickly as the plate overcenters.(You can slip a feeler gaug=
e in there to tell the exact release point.)
The thickness of the disc directly affects the geometry that the PP has to =
work within by design.If the disc is too thin, there will be weak clamping =
force and it'll slip, and it will take a "long" pedal to release.If too thi=
ck, the release will be too high and it will probably slip under load.Gener=
ally if I use a thicker disc, I shim the difference between it and a stock =
disc, and check it in the press if any question.Glen
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-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: Phil Gott <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <van.mulder=
[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question

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rious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure plate.=C2=A0 I=
=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin hardened washers.=
=C2=A0 Seemed to work fine, but that was a seat of the pants gotta-load-thi=
s-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of fix.=C2=A0 Anyone think that solutio=
n is a disaster in the making?  =C2=A0 Scott (B.)  =C2=A0 From: Fot <fot-bo=
[email-masked]>On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: fot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question  =C2=A0 Marcel, Brian; I agree w=
ith Marcel=E2=80=99s last email. If the fingers point inward, your clutch d=
isc is too thick, indicating that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompati=
ble. Best solution is to get a thinner disc or a compatible PP. Hope this c=
lears up any confusion. Phil Sent from my iPhone=20
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, [email-masked] wrote:=20
 =C2=A0 So we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tighteni=
ng, it still can be normal, but if they are pointing inwards a bit, it is n=
ot correct. You can made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are m=
oving inward when tightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not =
correct and the feel in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather. Marcel. Va=
n:"fot" <[email-masked]>
Aan: "Brian Schirano" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "fot" <[email-masked]>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question  =C2=A0 Brian; All perfectly n=
ormal. Just be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=
=9Cfingers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are straight the throwout bearing face =
should be rounded. If the fingers have a crook in them (bent) then the thro=
wout bearing face should be flat. Enjoy your new clutch! Phil Gott Sent fro=
m my iPhone=20
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:=20
Hey Friends  =C2=A0 just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a n=
ew clutch disc. As I tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat=
 across, no longer peaked. So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out =
will press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the be=
nch). Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.=C2=A0  =C2=A0 Normal / C=
orrect?=C2=A0  =C2=A0 am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon=
, comments please  =C2=A0 Thanks Brian  =C2=A0 26A GT6+ Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
[email-masked]=20

com

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<div> <font size=3D"2">To physically test the action of the clutch, you can=
 set them up on a flywheel sitting on a chassis scale pad, in a press, and =
measure the load as you pump it up.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">When it gets to the release point the pressure will b=
e max and then drop off quickly as the plate overcenters.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">(You can slip a feeler gauge in there to tell the exa=
ct release point.)<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">The thickness of the disc directly affects the geomet=
ry that the PP has to work within by design.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">If the disc is too thin, there will be weak clamping =
force and it'll slip, and it will take a "long" pedal to release.</font></d=
iv>

<div><font size=3D"2">If too thick, the release will be too high and it wil=
l probably slip under load.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Generally if I use a thicker disc, I shim the differe=
nce between it and a stock disc, and check it in the press if any question.=
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Barr, Scott via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Phil Gott &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;v=
[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 8:56 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question<br>
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=E2=80=99m curious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure pl=
ate.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin harde=
ned washers.&nbsp; Seemed to work
 fine, but that was a seat of the pants gotta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-=
go-racing sort of fix.&nbsp; Anyone think that solution is a disaster in th=
e making?</span></div>
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bsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Sco=
tt (B.)</span></div>
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bsp;</span></div>
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From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> Fot &lt;fot-bounces@auto=
x.team.net&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Gott via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">Marcel, Brian;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">I agree with Marcel=E2=80=99s last em=
ail. If the fingers point inward, your clutch disc is too thick, indicating=
 that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompatible.</div>
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</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">Best solution is to get a thinner dis=
c or a compatible PP.</div>
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</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">Hope this clears up any confusion.</d=
iv>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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lear=3D"none">
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wro=
te:</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">So =
we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tightening, it stil=
l can be normal, but if they are pointing inwards a bit, it is not correct.=
 You can
 made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are moving inward when t=
ightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not correct and the fee=
l in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.</span></div>
=20
</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Mar=
cel.</span></div>
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"center"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">
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ter">
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Van:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">"fot" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener n=
oreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
<b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc: </b>"fot" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Bri=
an;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">All=
 perfectly normal.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Jus=
t be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfingers=
.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are straight the throwout bearing face should be =
rounded. If the fingers
 have a crook in them (bent) then the throwout bearing face should be flat.=
</span></div>
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</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Enj=
oy your new clutch!</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Phil Gott</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Sen=
t from my iPhone</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear=3D"none">
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener=
 noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Hey Frie=
nds</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">just ins=
talled a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new clutch disc. As I tighten=
ed the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat across, no longer peaked. S=
o when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will
 press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench)=
. Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.&nbsp;</span></div>
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</div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Normal /=
 Correct?&nbsp;</span></div>
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</div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">am hopin=
g to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please</span></div>
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</div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Thanks</=
span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Brian</s=
pan></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">26A GT6+=
</span></div>
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 15:30:05 +0000 (UTC)

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 The flywheel has to have locating dowels to maintain concentricity with th=
e clutch housing.The dowels don't normally get any shear load on them, they=
 aren't drive-dogs, the bolt clamping force holds it all in place and clamp=
ed down tight.Yes hard shims, soft can crush down and lose bolt torque afte=
r awhile.
If the PP loosens up, the locating dowels won't do much to keep it from com=
ing apart...
Glen
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Styduhar via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: Van Mulders Marcel <[email-masked]>
Cc: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question

Most good flywheels have locating dowels for the PP as added shear strength=
.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:50 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <[email-masked]=
eam.net> wrote:

Strongest solution is when the area where the feet are located are a bit lo=
wer than the friction area of the flywheel : then the PP is strongly locate=
d and eventually the shims should be trimmed . When the flywheel is entiril=
y flush, the location of the PP is less secure.If hard steel shims are used=
, I think this will not be a weak spot?Marcel.Van: "Scott Barr" <sbarr@McCa=
rty-Law.com>
Aan: "Phil Gott" <[email-masked]>, "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marc=
[email-masked]>, "fot" <[email-masked]>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 14:56:15
Onderwerp: RE: [Fot] laycock clutch question

I=E2=80=99m curious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure p=
late.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin hard=
ened washers.=C2=A0 Seemed to work fine, but that was a seat of the pants g=
otta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of fix.=C2=A0 Anyone think=
 that solution is a disaster in the making?=C2=A0Scott (B.)=C2=A0From: Fot =
<[email-masked]>On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: fot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question=C2=A0Marcel, Brian;I agree with =
Marcel=E2=80=99s last email. If the fingers point inward, your clutch disc =
is too thick, indicating that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompatible.=
Best solution is to get a thinner disc or a compatible PP.Hope this clears =
up any confusion.PhilSent from my iPhone
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
=C2=A0So we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tightening=
, it still can be normal, but if they are pointing inwards a bit, it is not=
 correct. You can made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are mov=
ing inward when tightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not co=
rrect and the feel in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.Marcel.Van:"f=
ot" <[email-masked]>
Aan: "Brian Schirano" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "fot" <[email-masked]>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question=C2=A0Brian;All perfectly norma=
l.Just be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfi=
ngers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are straight the throwout bearing face shoul=
d be rounded. If the fingers have a crook in them (bent) then the throwout =
bearing face should be flat.Enjoy your new clutch!Phil GottSent from my iPh=
one
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
Hey Friends=C2=A0just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new =
clutch disc. As I tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat ac=
ross, no longer peaked. So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out wil=
l press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench=
). Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.=C2=A0=C2=A0Normal / Correct=
?=C2=A0=C2=A0am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comment=
s please=C2=A0ThanksBrian=C2=A026A GT6+Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
[email-masked]

[email-masked]

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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"2">The flywheel has to have locating dowels to maintain=
 concentricity with the clutch housing.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">The dowels don't normally get any shear load on them,=
 they aren't drive-dogs, the bolt clamping force holds it all in place and =
clamped down tight.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Yes hard shims, soft can crush down and lose bolt tor=
que after awhile.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">If the PP loosens up, the locating dowels won't do mu=
ch to keep it from coming apart...<br>
</font></div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: John Styduhar via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Van Mulders Marcel &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 11:13 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question<br>
<br>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;">Most g=
ood flywheels have locating dowels for the PP as added shear strength.&nbsp=
; &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941yqt5227286841" id=3D"yiv4493166941yqt37846">
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, May 24, 2019 at =
10:50 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none"></div>
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<div>Strongest solution is when the area where the feet are located are a b=
it lower than the friction area of the flywheel : then the PP is strongly l=
ocated and eventually the shims should be trimmed . When the flywheel is en=
tirily flush, the location of the PP is less secure.</div>

<div>If hard steel shims are used, I think this will not be a weak spot?</d=
iv>

<div>Marcel.</div>
<hr id=3D"yiv4493166941gmail-m_-7631651529127139878zwchr">
<div><b>Van: </b>"Scott Barr" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"non=
e"><b>Aan: </b>"Phil Gott" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:vfra=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, "van mulders marcel" &lt;<a rel=3D"=
noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@te=
lenet.be" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">v=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;, "fot" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferr=
er" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"n=
one"><b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 14:56:15<br clear=3D"none"><b>On=
derwerp: </b>RE: [Fot] laycock clutch question<br clear=3D"none"></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">I=E2=
=80=99m curious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure plate=
.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin hardened=
 washers.&nbsp; Seemed to work
 fine, but that was a seat of the pants gotta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-=
go-racing sort of fix.&nbsp; Anyone think that solution is a disaster in th=
e making?</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">&nbsp=
;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">Scott=
 (B.)</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">&nbsp=
;</span></div>

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<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;">

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt=
;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" =
shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Gott via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:van.mulders=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> fot &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">Marcel, Brian;</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">I agree with Marcel=E2=80=99s last em=
ail. If the fingers point inward, your clutch disc is too thick, indicating=
 that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompatible.</div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">Best solution is to get a thinner dis=
c or a compatible PP.</div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">Hope this clears up any confusion.</d=
iv>

</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;">Phil</d=
iv>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</div>

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ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wro=
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mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">So we don't agree; maybe, if the fin=
gers end up flat after tightening, it still can be normal, but if they are =
pointing inwards a bit, it is not correct. You can
 made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are moving inward when t=
ightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not correct and the fee=
l in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Marcel.</span></div>

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"center"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;colo=
r:black;">
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00%" size=3D"3" align=3D"center">
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-family:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Van:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;co=
lor:black;">"fot" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc: </b>"fot" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
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<b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>

</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Brian;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">All perfectly normal.</span></div>

</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Just be sure that the throwout beari=
ng is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfingers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are str=
aight the throwout bearing face should be rounded. If the fingers
 have a crook in them (bent) then the throwout bearing face should be flat.=
</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Enjoy your new clutch!</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Phil G=
ott</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Sent from my iPhone</span></div>

</div>

<div>

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tyle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;"><br cl=
ear=3D"none">
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener=
 noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:</span></div>

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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Hey Frie=
nds</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</=
span></div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">just ins=

</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</=
span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Normal /=
 Correct?&nbsp;</span></div>

</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</=
span></div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">am hopin=
g to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please</span></div>

</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</=
span></div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Thanks</=
span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Brian</s=
pan></div>

</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</=
span></div>

<div>

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">26A GT6+=
</span></div>

</div>

<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Brian Sc=

</div>

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 17:08:48 +0000 (UTC)

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 If you're using a clutch PP from XXX, and a custom racing disc from YYY, t=
hose are the "correct" parts.If you're using a complete off-the-shelf clutc=
h kit, there should be absolutely no adjustment/shimming required.Realize a=
lso that we're not "spacing" the PP out any distance, the most I've had to =
do is shim under .030, usually considerably less.The PP is just a big bellv=
ille washer that compresses axially with increasing pressure produced (clam=
ping force) as it's compressed, up until the overcenter point, and the pivo=
t points which determine the arm length ratio result in little travel in th=
e plate (ie shimming it) and a lot on the TO bearing contact end.
In other words the shim required is usually pretty thin, it's almost a matt=
er of fine-tuning a given combination, not to correct another problem...

Glen
If I was in a moment of desperation and that is all I had, I would consider=
 using spacers under the PP, but I think it is better to get the correct pa=
rts.=C2=A0
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=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Schirano via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: John Styduhar <[email-masked]>; Barr, Scott <[email-masked]=
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question

not at the desperation point yet, but getting there! Laundry list is gettin=
g longer instead of shorter!
26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
[email-masked]=20

    On Friday, May 24, 2019, 11:43:07 AM EDT, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
  I=E2=80=99m trying to think of a time when I was at this stage of putting=
 the car back together and it HADN=E2=80=99T reached a =E2=80=9Cmoment of d=
esperation=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 :-)  =C2=A0 With my Spit, I raced a pretty heavy =
schedule.=C2=A0 Running with both VSCDA and Midwestern Council, I could do =
10-15 races a year back in the day.=C2=A0 So I was almost CONSTANTLY in thr=
ash mode between April and November.=C2=A0 Which might explain some of my m=
ore interesting mechanical failures.  =C2=A0 Scott (B.)=C2=A0  =C2=A0 From:=
 John Styduhar <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 10:24 AM
To: Barr, Scott <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question  =C2=A0 If I was in a moment of =
desperation and that is all I had, I would consider using spacers under the=
 PP, but I think it is better to get the correct parts.=C2=A0  =C2=A0 On Fr=
i, May 24, 2019 at 8:56 AM Barr, Scott via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:=
=20
I=E2=80=99m curious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure p=
late.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin hard=
ened washers.=C2=A0 Seemed to work fine, but that was a seat of the pants g=
otta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of fix.=C2=A0 Anyone think=
 that solution is a disaster in the making? =C2=A0 Scott (B.) =C2=A0 From: =
Fot <[email-masked]>On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: fot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question =C2=A0 Marcel, Brian; I agree wi=
th Marcel=E2=80=99s last email. If the fingers point inward, your clutch di=
sc is too thick, indicating that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompatib=
le. Best solution is to get a thinner disc or a compatible PP. Hope this cl=
ears up any confusion. Phil Sent from my iPhone=20
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, [email-masked] wrote:=20
=C2=A0 So we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tightenin=
g, it still can be normal, but if they are pointing inwards a bit, it is no=
t correct. You can made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are mo=
ving inward when tightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not c=
orrect and the feel in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather. Marcel. Van=
:"fot" <[email-masked]>
Aan: "Brian Schirano" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "fot" <[email-masked]>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question =C2=A0 Brian; All perfectly no=
rmal. Just be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=
=9Cfingers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are straight the throwout bearing face =
should be rounded. If the fingers have a crook in them (bent) then the thro=
wout bearing face should be flat. Enjoy your new clutch! Phil Gott Sent fro=
m my iPhone=20
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:=20
Hey Friends =C2=A0 just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a ne=
w clutch disc. As I tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat =
across, no longer peaked. So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out w=
ill press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the ben=
ch). Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Normal / Cor=
rect?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, c=
omments please =C2=A0 Thanks Brian =C2=A0 26A GT6+ Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
[email-masked]=20

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<div> <font size=3D"2">If you're using a clutch PP from XXX, and a custom r=
acing disc from YYY, those are the "correct" parts.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">If you're using a complete off-the-shelf clutch kit, =
there should be absolutely no adjustment/shimming required.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Realize
 also that we're not "spacing" the PP out any distance, the most I've=20
had to do is shim under .030, usually considerably less.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">The
 PP is just a big bellville washer that compresses axially with=20
increasing pressure produced (clamping force) as it's compressed, up until =
the overcenter point, and the pivot points which=20
determine the arm length ratio result in little travel in the plate (ie=20
shimming it) and a lot on the TO bearing contact end.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">In other words the shim required is usually pretty th=
in, it's almost a matter of fine-tuning a given combination, not to correct=
 another problem...<br>
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ockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid blue;padding-left:3px;">If I was in=
 a moment of desperation and that is all I had, I would consider using spac=
ers under the PP, but I think it is better to get the correct parts.&nbsp;<=
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From: Brian Schirano via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: John Styduhar &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Barr, Scott &lt;sbarr@McCart=
y-Law.com&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 12:02 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>not at the desperation point yet, but getting there! Laundry list is g=
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<div>26A GT6+, 28 TR6</div>

Brian Schirano<br clear=3D"none">585-305-0349 Cell&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">=
[email-masked]</div>

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                    On Friday, May 24, 2019, 11:43:07 AM EDT, Barr, Scott v=
ia Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I=E2=80=99m try=
ing to think of a time when I was at this stage of putting the car back tog=
ether and it HADN=E2=80=99T reached a =E2=80=9Cmoment of desperation=E2=80=
=9D&nbsp; :-)</span></div>

=20

<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span><=
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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">With my Spit, I=
 raced a pretty heavy schedule.&nbsp; Running with both VSCDA and Midwester=
n Council, I could do 10-15 races a year back in the day.&nbsp; So I was
 almost CONSTANTLY in thrash mode between April and November.&nbsp; Which m=
ight explain some of my more interesting mechanical failures.</span></div>

=20

<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span><=
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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Scott (B.)&nbsp=
;
</span></div>

=20

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=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span><=
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=20

<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> John Styduhar &lt;johnstydo@=
gmail.com&gt;
<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 10:24 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Barr, Scott &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">If I was in a=
 moment of desperation and that is all I had, I would consider using spacer=
s under the PP, but I think it is better to get the correct parts.&nbsp;</d=
iv>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">On Fri, May 2=
4, 2019 at 8:56 AM Barr, Scott via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:f=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>

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=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I=E2=80=99m cur=
ious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure plate.&nbsp; I=
=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation,
 using small thin hardened washers.&nbsp; Seemed to work fine, but that was=
 a seat of the pants gotta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of f=
ix.&nbsp; Anyone think that solution is a disaster in the making?</span></d=
iv>

=20

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=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span></=
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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Scott (B.)</spa=
n></div>

=20

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=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span></=
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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" =
shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Gott via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:van.mulders=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@tel=
enet.be">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">Marcel, Brian=
;</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">I agree with =
Marcel=E2=80=99s last email. If the fingers point inward, your clutch disc =
is too thick, indicating that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompatible.=
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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">Best solution=
 is to get a thinner disc or a compatible PP.</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">Hope this cle=
ars up any confusion.</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in-bottom:12.0pt;">Phil</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">Sent from my =
iPhone</div>

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in-bottom:12.0pt;"><br clear=3D"none">
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:van.=
[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a> wrote:</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></di=
v>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">So we don't agree=
; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tightening, it still can be norma=
l, but if
 they are pointing inwards a bit, it is not correct. You can made a decisio=
n by measuring how much the fingers are moving inward when tightening the b=
olts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not correct and the feel in the clutch=
 pedal won't be normal eather.</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Marcel.</span></d=
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-align:center;" align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:sans-serif;color:black;">
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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Van:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:bla=
ck;">"fot" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:bschirano@=
yahoo.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc: </b>"fot" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:f=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></di=
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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Brian;</span></di=
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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">All perfectly nor=
mal.</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Just be sure that=
 the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfingers.=E2=80=9D If =
the fingers are straight
 the throwout bearing face should be rounded. If the fingers have a crook i=
n them (bent) then the throwout bearing face should be flat.</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Enjoy your new cl=
utch!</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;c=
olor:black;">Phil Gott</span></div>

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in-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;c=
olor:black;"><br clear=3D"none">
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow=
" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</span></=
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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
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=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color:black;">just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new=
 clutch disc. As I tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat a=
cross, no longer peaked.
 So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will press the clutch fing=
ers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench). Makes me uncomfortab=
le / doesn't seem right.&nbsp;</span></div>

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=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color:black;">Normal / Correct?&nbsp;</span></div>

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=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color:black;">am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, co=
mments please</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color:black;">Thanks</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6501223676ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color:black;">Brian</span></div>

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=3D"color:black;">26A GT6+</span></div>

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