From britracer89 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 13:14:44 2018 From: britracer89 at yahoo.com (Brian Dennis) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 19:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Valve cover gasket? References: <1907298890.1096479.1530472484136.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Who was/is it on the list that has the silicone gaskets? I?m in the market for one. Alloy valve cover GT6.Thanks,Brian?Foster, RI Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jul 1 14:48:02 2018 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 15:48:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Valve cover gasket? References: <1907298890.1096479.1530472484136.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1907298890.1096479.1530472484136@mail.yahoo.com> Joe and Sean Alexander at ARE. I believe the website is The Vintage Racer. Paul Ricco Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: > > Who was/is it on the list that has the silicone gaskets? I?m in the market for one. Alloy valve cover GT6. > Thanks, > Brian > Foster, RI > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 1 15:11:01 2018 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 16:11:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Valve cover gasket? References: <1907298890.1096479.1530472484136.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1907298890.1096479.1530472484136@mail.yahoo.com> http://www.gasketinnovations.com/products Tony Drews On 7/1/2018 2:14 PM, Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: > Who was/is it on the list that has the silicone gaskets? I?m in the > market for one. Alloy valve cover GT6. > Thanks, > Brian > Foster, RI > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jul 1 16:19:27 2018 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 18:19:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve cover gasket? References: <1907298890.1096479.1530472484136.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1907298890.1096479.1530472484136@mail.yahoo.com> <60B164A5-3D59-4D23-AE32-74D2A12654A4@att.net> They also work through ?Gasket Innovations.? On older alloy covers with a lip to guide the cork gasket, the silicone gasket may not be thick enough. A solution is to get two of these gaskets, glue one to the top of the head, and one to the underside of the alloy cover. They work great! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Joe and Sean Alexander at ARE. I believe the website is The Vintage Racer. > > Paul Ricco > > Paul > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 1, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: >> >> Who was/is it on the list that has the silicone gaskets? I?m in the market for one. Alloy valve cover GT6. >> Thanks, >> Brian >> Foster, RI >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britracer89 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 16:31:21 2018 From: britracer89 at yahoo.com (Brian Dennis) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 22:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Valve cover gasket? References: <1907298890.1096479.1530472484136.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1907298890.1096479.1530472484136@mail.yahoo.com> <60B164A5-3D59-4D23-AE32-74D2A12654A4@att.net> Thank you for the info. Will be in contact to order.Cheers,Brian? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, July 1, 2018, 6:19 PM, Phil Gott wrote: They also work through ?Gasket Innovations.??On older alloy covers with a lip to guide the cork gasket, the silicone gasket may not be thick enough. A solution is to get two of these gaskets, glue one to the top of the head, and one to the underside of the alloy cover. They work great!Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Joe and Sean Alexander at ARE. I believe the website is The Vintage Racer. ? Paul Ricco Paul Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: Who was/is it on the list that has the silicone gaskets? I?m in the market for one. Alloy valve cover GT6.Thanks,Brian?Foster, RI Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kknight at klaenv.com Mon Jul 2 08:11:47 2018 From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 07:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? 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What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. Ken _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timmmurphh at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 09:34:10 2018 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:34:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mounting Hoosier Speedsters on rims References: <00a201d410a3$4877ee40$d967cac0$@gmail.com> I had called Hoosier twice last Thursday and again twice on Friday. I had to leave a message on voice mail for a call back but never got one. I had better luck this morning and talked with Jeff at road racing customer support. He said they have not had reports of this problem and that the bead construction had not changed to his knowledge. He did say that sometimes Engineering makes some changes and the information does not get passed on to Customer Support. So that is a possibility and he is looking into it. Being and engineer who has worked in various engineering departments I can understand that. The engineering change notices tend to pile up on the engineer?s desk until management cracks down to get them out! There always seemed to be more important things to do than the paperwork? Thanks for all the feedback. The other thing he suggested is a different set of wheels. We will probably get a set of Panasports for the car. What is a good source for the Panasports? Anyone with some experience lately purchasing a set? It?s about time to have some extra wheels for the car to go with the ancient Revolutions. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 1:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Mounting Hoosier Speedsters on rims I just had a new set of Hoosier Speedsters mounted on the Revolution rims we are using. The first shop I took them to could not get them to seat on the rims. They were limited as to much air pressure they were allowed to use to seat the tires on the rim. The second shop also had the same problem and only got the tires to seat on the rims with 150 PSI air pressure. He set the tire and wheel out side around the corner in case either exploded. Fortunately, they didn?t. We have been using the Hoosier Speedsters in 205/60R-15 on these wheels for about 10 years and this is the first time we have had this problem. Did they change the design of the bead on the tires and has anybody else had this problem? The second shop thought it might be the design of the wheel, but like I said, we?ve used these wheels for about 10 years with these Hoosiers. I?d be interested if anyone has had a set of the 205/60R-15 mounted on the Panasport wheels and if they had problems. For a while there it looked like we wouldn?t make the Kcup because we couldn?t get the tires on the wheels! The tires this new set replaced were from September last year and they were also the same size Hoosiers. No problem mounting them last year. Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on my problem. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jul 2 11:03:36 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 13:03:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> At this time of year, in that part of the country, the chance of a thunderstorm is not an uncommon weather prediction. Such a weather report seems far more desirable than just "rain", which suggests all day long. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Monday, July 2, 2018, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Mon Jul 2 11:14:22 2018 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:14:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com>, <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> Being Pittsburgh, you will just need to keep your eyes open for the "Pop-Up Thunderstorm" at this time of the year. See you kids this weekend. Larry Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Scott Janzen via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:18 AM To: Kenneth Knight Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? 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On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I like the National Weather Service https://forecast. > weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80. > 11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI > Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days > ago and may shift again. > Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! > > On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot > wrote: > > I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and > Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. > Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice > days look wet. > > What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East > Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? > > I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on > Thursday. 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Jul 2 17:46:32 2018 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 19:46:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. > >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI >> Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. >> Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! >> >> On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: >> >> I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. >> >> What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? >> >> I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. >> >> Ken >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jul 2 20:20:25 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 22:20:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: That's what I always did, but sadly there was no room down by my waist, so it went at chest level (near my heart). Not very hi-tech but it seemed to work. A bonus was 'a cool rinse' readily available after I took my helmet off back in the paddock after the session. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Monday, July 2, 2018, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 3 00:50:41 2018 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 08:50:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> I?ve once went under a cold shower before the race with my full racing suit. Helped for about 40min of racing. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 01:47 An: John Styduhar Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. Sent from my iPhone ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645 &lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. Ken _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jul 3 05:52:02 2018 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 07:52:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup - staying cool References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> I?ve been using a cool shirt and their 6 quart soft bag for years. It?s amazing, especially handy when you are sitting on the grid in the sun. I probably go through 3 pounds of ice in a half hour race. Unit is wired to a switch on my dash so I just run it as needed. By the end of a race it?s on all the time. Not cheap - however, their customer service is amazing. They once overnighted a bag to me at no cost at a race weekend, and then rebuilt my old one and allowed me to keep both. On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. Ken _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Tue Jul 3 06:00:35 2018 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 08:00:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup Triumph Friends, I am glad to see that the weather will be cooperating for the K-cup! I was reading through the previous e-mails and I had a few questions I was hoping a few seasoned PVGP attendees could help answer because I have never been to the track. 1. Are there shower facilities on site? 2. Apparently electricity may be tough to come by and if someone already has eletricity and is leaving the track for the night, could I run an extension cord and borrow some juice? I plan on sleeping in my trailer and I would like to run a fan and mini fridge. 3. Does anyone want to ADPOT a new racer for the weekend? I have a brand new 1296 engine that I built and I haven't had a chance to track test it yet (due to J500 flooding out) but I was able to dyno it and dial in fuel/air. But you know, I'm sure I'll have plenty of new guy/new motor problems and things that most of you guys that have been doing this for a while already all figured out. I'll have adult beverages on hand! Thanks in advance for any replies and I'll see y'all this Thursday! M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Phil Gott via Fot To: John Styduhar Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Mon, Jul 2, 2018 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 06:43:18 2018 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 07:43:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> What are you all talking about? It is going to be 101 here today and the humidity is 96% this morning. I?m coming to enjoy the cool weather? I have a cool suit and cooler for the Beandito Endurance car and I?m leaving it at home. All kidding aside, it?s hot down here. Sunday I drove the car around the neighborhood to bed in new brake pads and generated 210 degrees on the temp gauge. It was 102 out and I have to go slow and quiet to avoid ?Nextdoor? comments. It has me a little worried but I left it running in the shop for a while and it didn?t overheat. Temps in the 80?s are my friend! I?m leaving later today and if all goes well the Texas car will be there mid day Thursday. Save me a nice spot! Bob From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 6:47 PM To: John Styduhar Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645 &lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. Ken _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 07:07:31 2018 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 08:07:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Room at the Inn I will be staying with family instead of at the hotel so I cancelled my reservation this morning. If anyone needs a room call now! Comfort Inn Cranberry Twp. 924 Sheraton Drive, Mars, PA, US, 16046 +1 (724) 772-2700 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 3 07:48:43 2018 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:48:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> <001501d4129a$29cde550$7d69aff0$@gmail.com> <003401d412d4$47b72a60$d7257f20$@klaenv.com> This means, no racing in rain with open top cars? Cheers Chris Von: Kenneth Knight Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 15:47 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: RE: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup Anyone soaking themselves in their suit may want to rethink this idea. Not a bad thought to get you nice and cool but there are other considerations. While doing some research for our Master Instructor program with VARA I came across information from the safety certification process that pointed out a wet drivers suit in a fire situation will quickly produce steam and par-boil person inside. The ability to protect you in a fire event for enough time to be put out or exit is seriously compromised. The danger of burn injury goes way up in this event. Likelihood of this happening, very low, probability that it could happen however is not zero. Buddy of mine, racing a car with a top, installed a cool box and puts on a cool suit. I believe they also make a vest you freeze and put on under your drivers suit. Ken From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:51 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup I?ve once went under a cold shower before the race with my full racing suit. Helped for about 40min of racing. Cheers Chris Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 01:47 Betreff: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. Sent from my iPhone ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645 &lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. Ken _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Jul 3 08:43:20 2018 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 09:43:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> <001801d412cb$6bd6b040$438410c0$@com> Good luck Bob. Wish I was towing with you. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > What are you all talking about? It is going to be 101 here today and the humidity is 96% this morning. I?m coming to enjoy the cool weather? I have a cool suit and cooler for the Beandito Endurance car and I?m leaving it at home. > > All kidding aside, it?s hot down here. Sunday I drove the car around the neighborhood to bed in new brake pads and generated 210 degrees on the temp gauge. It was 102 out and I have to go slow and quiet to avoid ?Nextdoor? comments. It has me a little worried but I left it running in the shop for a while and it didn?t overheat. Temps in the 80?s are my friend! > > I?m leaving later today and if all goes well the Texas car will be there mid day Thursday. Save me a nice spot! > > Bob > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 6:47 PM > To: John Styduhar > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup > > A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI > Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. > Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! > > On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: > > I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. > > What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? > > I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 3 09:32:58 2018 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 17:32:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> <001501d4129a$29cde550$7d69aff0$@gmail.com> <003401d412d4$47b72a60$d7257f20$@klaenv.com> <001d01d412d4$90484890$b0d8d9b0$@gmail.com> <000c01d412df$3b51a380$b1f4ea80$@klaenv.com> Hi Ken, interesting subject. This means, sweating would be harmful in a case of fire. Question: If you put a drop of water on a hot plate, you see the drop dancing on a steam pillow which protects the drop from vaporizing. If your suit is wet, maybe it creates a cooling layer around you, as if water vaporizes it cools? So this maybe delays the heat up of the suit? Cheers Chris Von: Kenneth Knight Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 17:05 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: RE: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup Chris I never said that. I was just pointing out that the folks that certify your drivers suit note the risk associated with soaking that suit before heading on track in the event of fire. They have done the testing and detail what happens with fire turning a wet suit into steam next to your skin. We all sweat during a race, sometimes it rains, this cannot be helped. On a very hot and dry day you have to weigh and assume the risk of soaking yourself no matter the cooling provided. I used to pour a bottle of water down the front of my suit on the grid, I no longer do that. I am not interested in becoming a test Lobster no matter how small the chance of that happening. Good racing to you, Ken Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 6:49 AM To: 'Kenneth Knight'; fot at autox. team. net Subject: AW: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup This means, no racing in rain with open top cars? Cheers Chris Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 15:47 Betreff: RE: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup Anyone soaking themselves in their suit may want to rethink this idea. Not a bad thought to get you nice and cool but there are other considerations. While doing some research for our Master Instructor program with VARA I came across information from the safety certification process that pointed out a wet drivers suit in a fire situation will quickly produce steam and par-boil person inside. The ability to protect you in a fire event for enough time to be put out or exit is seriously compromised. The danger of burn injury goes way up in this event. Likelihood of this happening, very low, probability that it could happen however is not zero. Buddy of mine, racing a car with a top, installed a cool box and puts on a cool suit. I believe they also make a vest you freeze and put on under your drivers suit. Ken From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:51 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup I?ve once went under a cold shower before the race with my full racing suit. Helped for about 40min of racing. Cheers Chris Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 01:47 Betreff: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. Sent from my iPhone ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645 &lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. Ken _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 10:46:31 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 11:46:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup - staying cool References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> <6163A66E-303A-4393-AC89-A906512EC5A7@me.com> I was able to put together a body cooling system for around $325 total. The zippered mesh Coolshirt vest was the expensive thing (Zoro.com and Shop.com list them for about $255). It came with dry-break connections on the hoses. I found a used Iceman 1100 cryotherapy cooler (a small ice chest with an integral pump intended for use by people recovering from surgery) on Craigslist for around $50 (I see them on CL regularly). The dry-break hose connections match those of the cooling vest. I opened up the stitching at the bottom of the right pocket of my driving suit so I could run the hoses out of suit with the least compromise to the suit?s protection (maybe it?s just me, but the sight of a man walking the paddock with the hoses hanging out of the bottom of his zipper...). The Iceman?s electric pump wants 8 or 9 volts so I bought an adjustable output transformer (maybe $10-15) that plugs into a lighter socket that is wired to an on/off switch on the dash. I never had had any problem with heat while circulating on the track but sometimes in Texas it?s pretty miserable sitting on the grid, especially if the previous group has left a mess to clean up on the track. The Iceman unit has a flow adjuster with a thermometer in the middle of the hose so there is some control over temperature, although it?s not something I try adjusting while driving since it just sort of flops around on the floor on the passenger side. The downside is that it?s one more thing to get properly sorted when climbing in the car to race (although because I am less concerned about overheating before the race starts I tend to get situated in the car earlier than I used to during hot weather racing). Harness tight, steering wheel secure, HANS ready, arm restraints anchored, fire system pin removed, mirrors right, video camera ready, and now, cool shirt plugged in and tested ? and the cooler strapped in securely after checking the ice between races! I blew a race in May because of the last item. At the green flag I jumped into the lead at turn one (right hander) at Eagles Canyon, out-dragging a 911 in my 1275cc Unipower GT. Then the engine died suddenly. The cooler had shifted left out of its bracket at the apex of turn one and bumped against the nearby master electrical switch. At least my problem wasn?t that the unit started spewing smoke during a race like it did with another CVAR car (maybe that car didn?t have the input voltage right?) Duncan > On Jul 3, 2018, at 6:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > I?ve been using a cool shirt and their 6 quart soft bag for years. It?s amazing, especially handy when you are sitting on the grid in the sun. > I probably go through 3 pounds of ice in a half hour race. Unit is wired to a switch on my dash so I just run it as needed. By the end of a race it?s on all the time. > Not cheap - however, their customer service is amazing. They once overnighted a bag to me at no cost at a race weekend, and then rebuilt my old one and allowed me to keep both. > > > I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. > > What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? > > I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jul 3 12:44:18 2018 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:44:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> <001801d412cb$6bd6b040$438410c0$@com>, Oldie but goodie. Most of us are old enough to remember this song. https://youtu.be/xeNAgBFmJpM From: John Hasty via Fot Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 12:04 PM To: Greg Blake Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup Cannot match Bob, but it?s 99 here with 76% hum Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Good luck Bob. Wish I was towing with you. Greg Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: What are you all talking about? It is going to be 101 here today and the humidity is 96% this morning. I?m coming to enjoy the cool weather? I have a cool suit and cooler for the Beandito Endurance car and I?m leaving it at home. All kidding aside, it?s hot down here. Sunday I drove the car around the neighborhood to bed in new brake pads and generated 210 degrees on the temp gauge. It was 102 out and I have to go slow and quiet to avoid ?Nextdoor? comments. It has me a little worried but I left it running in the shop for a while and it didn?t overheat. Temps in the 80?s are my friend! I?m leaving later today and if all goes well the Texas car will be there mid day Thursday. Save me a nice spot! Bob From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 6:47 PM To: John Styduhar Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. 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The Royal Teens' keyboardist, was Bobbie Gaudio, who went on to join Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons. At barely sixteen years of age, Bill Dalton had an incredible early 1950s Rock and Roll history touring the country with some of the earliest Rock and Rolls stars. He also appeared in at least two movies, playing with the band. He wrote a series of articles about that period in his life which ran in VSCDA's newsletter. That made great reading for those of us who were teens in the 1950s.. Dalton was a close friend, and spent a great deal of effort trying to convey a rough, tough 'Joisey image'. But down deep he was an old softie. I recall one time he took out his wallet to get something to show Bob Wismer and I, and a whole bunch of Holy Cards fell out. That was no Big Deal for us, as we had suspected as much all along. He had a collection of guitars, including a precious (to him) Chet Atkins Gibson, and a state of the art recording studio in his home. He died suddenly (heart attack) and far too early. Even at the end of his life he was still providing new 'guitar riffs' to folks active in the industry. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot To: John Hasty ; Greg Blake Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup Oldie but goodie. Most of us are old enough to remember this song. https://youtu.be/xeNAgBFmJpM From: John Hasty via Fot Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 12:04 PM To: Greg Blake Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup Cannot match Bob, but it?s 99 here with 76% hum Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Good luck Bob. Wish I was towing with you. Greg Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: What are you all talking about? It is going to be 101 here today and the humidity is 96% this morning. I?m coming to enjoy the cool weather? I have a cool suit and cooler for the Beandito Endurance car and I?m leaving it at home. All kidding aside, it?s hot down here. Sunday I drove the car around the neighborhood to bed in new brake pads and generated 210 degrees on the temp gauge. It was 102 out and I have to go slow and quiet to avoid ?Nextdoor? comments. It has me a little worried but I left it running in the shop for a while and it didn?t overheat. Temps in the 80?s are my friend! I?m leaving later today and if all goes well the Texas car will be there mid day Thursday. Save me a nice spot! Bob From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 6:47 PM To: John Styduhar Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at waist level. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me. The heat plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still. Make sure to stay hydrated. On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I like the National Weather Service https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from two days ago and may shift again. Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? 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One set near our Kastner Cup Tent, one up the hill at the Event Center. Event Center and Driver meeting Tower building are airconditioned with plenty of room and seating for you to get out of the heat if you need a break. Hotels: There are still rooms available at the Comfort Inn in Cranberry, our host hotel. Set up & Arrivals: Track opens at 3 PM today to set up. You can enter the facility after 3:00 pm on Wednesday, July 4. Gates close at 10:00 PM ? No Exceptions as this is a holiday. On Thursday, July 5 gates are open daily from 7:00 am to 10:00 pm. There is a security guard making rounds after 10:00 pm, who can let you in or out if you are camping. Security guard cell phone is 724-350-4273. We have a large tented area off the large paved paddock field. There will be 11x17 signs directing to Triumph Display area. [cid:image001.png at 01D41367.FA626A60] Our paddock area and tent will be to the right of the display area. [cid:image002.png at 01D41367.FA626A60] We have a specific are designated for Kastner Cup paddock surrounding the grass section marked in the photo. If you are confused as to location, ASK someone. Electrical power is all pre sold and fully taken as of last evening, I checked again last evening. Friday Night: Driver reception for drivers and their crew at Pitt Race Conference Center. 6:00 pm- 7:30 pm Friday night. Saturday night: 6.00 pm in tent beside the garages is a reception for all. This will follow the Awarding of the Kastner Cup. You Racer entry includes meals for driver and two crew member (3 total). For additional dinners, PVGP please make a donation (recommended $20 per person) at the entrance, the money goes to charity. Crew passes: Two crew included, along with driver with each race entry. Crew must check in on Thursday or Friday and receive wrist band for entry. If crew member does not have wrist band they will be charged $15 per day at gate. General info: http://www.pvgp.org/pirc-info/ has most of the info you could ever want. The PVGP web site is huge and full of everything about the event. If you have problems my cell phone is 412.638.1776,. I will be at track today from 2PM to 5PM July 4th, and all other days after 7:00 AM. Safe travels and safe racing. Jim From: Fot on behalf of Kenneth Knight via Fot Date: Monday, July 2, 2018 at 11:22 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and Pittsburg area. They are indicating T-Storms mid week through Friday. Looking decent for the weekend. The Thursday and Friday test and practice days look wet. What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado. I am flying in on Thursday. Everyone have a safe drive. Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Frymark Sent from my iPhone From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jul 4 09:30:01 2018 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 09:30:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Good luck everyone I hope everyone has a great weekend, wish I were there. jim g -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 11:25:35 2018 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:25:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] looking for a pair of 185/60/13 racing tires at Kastner Cup References: Thanks for all the leads on tires. I was able to find a solution! Jason On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 12:12 AM Jason Sukey wrote: > Hi, > Looks like the 205/60/13's I received from JB race tires are a bit too > big to fit without rubbing up front (not his fault, I knew the risk). > Anyone who's going to be at Pittrace this weekend have any extra 185/60/13 > race tires they would want to sell? Used is OK. I could get by with only a > pair of tires > In related news, anyone looking for a nice used set of 205/60/13 Toyo RA1s? > > Thanks, > See many of you this weekend! > > Jason Sukey > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Jul 5 07:43:08 2018 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 09:43:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup References: <000001d4120e$9e398980$daac9c80$@klaenv.com> <28D8C52B-8F8B-4C24-81BF-84A2AF6C3318@me.com> <001801d412cb$6bd6b040$438410c0$@com> Good luck Bob. Wish I was towing with you. Greg Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot What are you all talking about? It is going to be? 101 here today and > the humidity is 96% this morning. I?m coming to enjoy the cool > weather? I have a cool suit and cooler for the Beandito Endurance car > and I?m leaving it at home. > > All kidding aside, it?s hot down here. Sunday I drove the car around > the neighborhood to bed in new brake pads and generated 210 degrees on > the temp gauge. It was 102 out and I have to go slow and quiet to > avoid ?Nextdoor? comments. It has me a little worried but I left it > running in the shop for a while and it didn?t overheat. Temps in the > 80?s are my friend! > > I?m leaving later today and if all goes well the Texas car will be > there mid day Thursday. Save me a nice spot! > > Bob > > *From:*Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Phil > Gott via Fot > *Sent:* Monday, July 02, 2018 6:47 PM > *To:* John Styduhar > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Weather at PVGP/Kastner Cup > > A nice trick is to stuff ice cubes into a couple of quart size ZIP LOC > bags, and place them under your driver?s suit, one on each side at > waist level. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot > ?My big concern is overheating both for my car and me.? The heat > plus humidity will have you sweating just standing still.? Make > sure to stay hydrated. > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot > > I like the National Weather Service > https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.700415776967645&lon=-80.11360801139983#.WzpBsy3MzzI > > Looks like Friday is the only iffy day, but this has shifted from > two days ago and may shift again. > > Overall looks pretty darned good - cooling off a bit too! > > On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot > > I just looked at the forecast for the end of the week for PIR and > Pittsburg area.? They are indicating T-Storms mid week through > Friday.? Looking decent for the weekend.? The Thursday and Friday > test and practice days look wet. > > What is the outlook for the weekend, given locale knowledge, of > the East Coast weather at the track this coming weekend? > > I had a message that Kas was on the road in Colorado.? I am flying > in on Thursday. 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Good call! A splendid time was had by all (I surmise!) Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Jul 7, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > FOT, > > Although I didn't place in anything... > I entered, competed, and finished my first K-Cup with a brand new engine I built myself! AAANNNDDD..I got my best lap of the weekend so far. Weather has been amazing and the racer camaraderie has been the same. > > M. Huovinen > Spit #80 > > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > Anxiously waiting any news from the track. What?s happening at the Kastner Cup? ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 19:17:22 2018 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 18:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Updates appreciated References: <16476fe4eda-17a0-933f@webjas-vab133.srv.aolmail.net> Excellent, Mathieu. Has Kas picked the Cup winner? We're still anxiously waiting. 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URL: From deweerdm at rogers.com Sun Jul 8 05:39:51 2018 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (Mike Deweerd) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 07:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Updates appreciated References: <16476fe4eda-17a0-933f@webjas-vab133.srv.aolmail.net> <947DA2D9-7C88-4DE3-8B7C-A8CC233C24E9@me.com> Check out North American Triumphs on Facebook videos have been posted all weekend of the Cup Wish I was there Mike TR4 #77 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2018, at 9:36 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > Sam Halkias- fastest car > Bob Lang- 2nd in a TR6 > Jim Dolan 3rd in the group 44 GT6 > Tony Drews - 4th in the TR4 > Jerry Barker - fastest sedan > Vic Schuster- fastest special - Amber > > Beautiful weather, beautiful track- and a lot of the regular FOT were here! Probably close to 50 street TRs turned out today as well, along with some other British iron. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 7, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: >> >> FOT, >> >> Although I didn't place in anything... >> I entered, competed, and finished my first K-Cup with a brand new engine I built myself! AAANNNDDD..I got my best lap of the weekend so far. Weather has been amazing and the racer camaraderie has been the same. >> >> M. Huovinen >> Spit #80 >> >> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> >> Anxiously waiting any news from the track. What?s happening at the Kastner Cup? ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/deweerdm at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jul 8 06:02:44 2018 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 08:02:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Updates appreciated References: <16476fe4eda-17a0-933f@webjas-vab133.srv.aolmail.net> <947DA2D9-7C88-4DE3-8B7C-A8CC233C24E9@me.com> Forgot to mention -Jim Dolan , kastner cup . Also, Vic Schuster ?s Ambro spell corrected to Amber Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2018, at 9:36 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > Sam Halkias- fastest car > Bob Lang- 2nd in a TR6 > Jim Dolan 3rd in the group 44 GT6 > Tony Drews - 4th in the TR4 > Jerry Barker - fastest sedan > Vic Schuster- fastest special - Amber > > Beautiful weather, beautiful track- and a lot of the regular FOT were here! Probably close to 50 street TRs turned out today as well, along with some other British iron. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 7, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: >> >> FOT, >> >> Although I didn't place in anything... >> I entered, competed, and finished my first K-Cup with a brand new engine I built myself! AAANNNDDD..I got my best lap of the weekend so far. Weather has been amazing and the racer camaraderie has been the same. >> >> M. Huovinen >> Spit #80 >> >> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> >> Anxiously waiting any news from the track. What?s happening at the Kastner Cup? ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He did find and throw out the gremlin just in time for the K Cup race and zapped off into the distance to win the race overall. The Kastner Cup though is not awarded to just the fastest Triumph. Outstanding effort , preparation and service in the Vintage Triumph scene are part of the boxes to be checked off. It was a very close call for the winner of the Cup. The GT-6 cars have been in a secret breeding mode as there were a ton of them there and racing. After 24 minutes of high speed chase and pass and re-pass between Tony Drews TR-4, the GT-6 of Scott Jansen and the GT-6 of Kastner Cup Chairmen for this race, Jim Dolan, at the end Jim Dolan kept it all together and squeezed out a clear victory for the class and to win the Kastner Cup. Congratulation to Jim Dolan for a great drive and very well prepared GT-6 racer and indeed for all the care and effort he made for the 16th Kastner Cup event. Thanks to all the racers for bringing your great cars to this annual event. It was big fun for Peg and I and we hope to see a great number of you next years 17th Kastner Cup in May 2019 at Buttonwillow Raceway in California. Event Chairmen Ken Knight (a Kastner Cup winner) is working hard right now to bring off our next annual Triumph event. *Never be beaten by equipment.* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jul 8 16:28:56 2018 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 15:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup event References: Thank you for this message, Kas. Congratulations to Jim Dolan. Hip hip hooray! Thanks to Shawn Frank for keeping us in suspense with his North American Triumph FaceBook updates, photos and video. It looked like an all around fantastic event. I wished I was there. I can hardly wait to see some in-car video. Dave H. > On July 8, 2018 at 12:42 PM Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > The weather tried to outlast us but failed as Saturday, Cup Day, turned out terrific. No Rain No Snow or tornados or other wild things or animals interfering with great racing. > > Sam Halkais entered my TR-6 from the olden days showing off the Triumph multi blue & white colors from 1972. Sam had a hard time for a bit to fix something not working in the inlet system. He did find and throw out the gremlin just in time for the K Cup race and zapped off into the distance to win the race overall. > > The Kastner Cup though is not awarded to just the fastest Triumph. Outstanding effort , preparation and service in the Vintage Triumph scene are part of the boxes to be checked off. It was a very close call for the winner of the Cup. > > The GT-6 cars have been in a secret breeding mode as there were a ton of them there and racing. After 24 minutes of high speed chase and pass and re-pass between Tony Drews TR-4, the GT-6 of Scott Jansen and the GT-6 of Kastner Cup Chairmen for this race, Jim Dolan, at the end Jim Dolan kept it all together and squeezed out a clear victory for the class and to win the Kastner Cup. > > Congratulation to Jim Dolan for a great drive and very well prepared GT-6 racer and indeed for all the care and effort he made for the 16th Kastner Cup event. > > Thanks to all the racers for bringing your great cars to this annual event. It was big fun for Peg and I and we hope to see a great number of you next years 17th Kastner Cup in May 2019 at Buttonwillow Raceway in California. Event Chairmen Ken Knight (a Kastner Cup winner) is working hard right now to bring off our next annual Triumph event. > > > > Never be beaten by equipment. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jul 9 08:14:03 2018 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 10:14:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2018 Kastner Cup By all accounts this Cup was one of the best, but in truth they all just get better as time goes on. The Dolan family did a great job and deserve credit for arranging perfect weather, a safe event and a welcoming crowd. For their part WPTA represented well and along with some Triumphs from Illinois, Ohio, Texas and New York we were able to get 51 street Triumphs to surround the Main Tent. There were even some inferior British iron that showed up in support of the event. Awards were presented and 2019 at Buttonwillow in early May was announced as next years race location. Kas and Peggy were their usual gracious self's and Joe was all smiles. A good time was had by all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Mon Jul 9 09:28:34 2018 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Updates appreciated References: FOT, Although I didn't place in anything... I entered, competed, and finished my first K-Cup with a brand new engine I built myself! AAANNNDDD..I got my best lap of the weekend so far. Weather has been amazing and the racer camaraderie has been the same. M. Huovinen Spit #80 On Saturday, July 7, 2018 Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: Anxiously waiting any news from the track. What?s happening at the Kastner Cup? ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Mon Jul 9 12:42:29 2018 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 18:42:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Does anyone have a time sheet from the race that they could scan and send me? 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What?s happening at the Kastner > Cup? ~Steve _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What?s happening at the Kastner Cup? ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 15:39:03 2018 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 21:39:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Clutch & Pressure Plates What are you Spitfire folks running for clutch setups. Stock or something more robust? Thanks, Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank North American Triumphs - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter Continued Legacy - Owner Spitfire & GT6 Magazine - Editor Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '63 Triumph Spitfire4 (MK1) '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '76 Triumph TR7 Victory Edition '80 Triumph Spitfire 1500 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: "fot at autox.team.net" Cc: "Shawn Frank" Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:30 PM Subject: Kastner Cup Posters Available. At cost. Please forward to FOT List as I don?t seem to be on the list, anymore.? FOT, We have several left, if you collect them. And they ARE collectible. A rebirth of the ?old days? of Triumphs. New Tube Postage Poster.? By Clark Lincoln, artist. PayPal.? N197tr4 at cs.com $10.00.? Hobby Lobby has a great frame.? 11 x 17.? Low Cost. I?d like to see everyone have them. A truly outstanding event. Checks are OK, too.? Thanks! 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The cylinder will be sitting right next to me on the passenger side of the car. Which side of my oil filter head supplies the oil cooler? Nearest the firewall or nearest the radiator? Pics and advice greatly appreciated. I only have 10 months left to get the car ready! Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 23:21:02 2018 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:21:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Posters Available. At cost. References: <5EB5D32E-ECC2-4DD5-8F71-7EDEBC485C47@gmail.com> Hi Joe, You are coming through loud and clear via FOT.., Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:30 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > Please forward to FOT List as I don?t seem to be on the list, anymore. > > FOT, > > We have several left, if you collect them. And they ARE collectible. A rebirth of the ?old days? of Triumphs. > > New Tube > Postage > Poster. By Clark Lincoln, artist. > PayPal. N197tr4 at cs.com > > $10.00. > > Hobby Lobby has a great frame. 11 x 17. Low Cost. > > I?d like to see everyone have them. A truly outstanding event. > > Checks are OK, too. Thanks! > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com Tue Jul 10 06:00:02 2018 From: jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com (James J Dolan) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:00:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2018 Kastner Cup References: Gentlemen & Ladies, It was an honor for my sons and I to host the 2018 Kastner Cup at the PVGP. I am glad everyone enjoyed it. The weather was perfect, the track seemed to keep all the drivers occupied, and there was always a crowd under the tent. For the presentation of the awards late Saturday afternoon all 100 chairs in the tent were occupied, a great testament to KAs & Peggy, Joe and all the FoT who have made this annual event a success. From: Fot on behalf of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Date: Monday, July 9, 2018 at 11:15 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2018 Kastner Cup By all accounts this Cup was one of the best, but in truth they all just get better as time goes on. The Dolan family did a great job and deserve credit for arranging perfect weather, a safe event and a welcoming crowd. For their part WPTA represented well and along with some Triumphs from Illinois, Ohio, Texas and New York we were able to get 51 street Triumphs to surround the Main Tent. There were even some inferior British iron that showed up in support of the event. Awards were presented and 2019 at Buttonwillow in early May was announced as next years race location. Kas and Peggy were their usual gracious self's and Joe was all smiles. A good time was had by all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com Tue Jul 10 06:14:41 2018 From: jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com (James J Dolan) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:14:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2018 Kastner Cup References: <6C61B8F0-F93D-4F90-8A5F-705F74CAF17D@voyagerhldgs.com> ( oops ? the last email was sent before I finished typing ???? maybe that means I should leave it that) Gentlemen & Ladies, It was an honor for my sons and I to host the 2018 Kastner Cup at the PVGP. I am glad everyone enjoyed it. The weather was perfect, the track seemed to keep all the drivers occupied, and there was always a crowd under the tent. For the presentation of the awards late Saturday afternoon all 100 chairs in the tent were occupied, a great testament to Kas & Peggy, Joe, the WPTA gang, and all the FoT members who have made this annual event a success. Thanks for all who participated, the racing was great, the friendships sincere, the history alive, the memories treasured. This year I await the annual Tony Drews movie more than ever, since for most of the Kastner Cup race I was able to stay his ?front view? camera. We all had a great race. Well done one and all. Another Kastner Cup is in the history books. Jim From: James Dolan Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 8:00 AM To: Jerry Van Vlack , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] 2018 Kastner Cup From: Fot on behalf of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Date: Monday, July 9, 2018 at 11:15 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2018 Kastner Cup By all accounts this Cup was one of the best, but in truth they all just get better as time goes on. The Dolan family did a great job and deserve credit for arranging perfect weather, a safe event and a welcoming crowd. For their part WPTA represented well and along with some Triumphs from Illinois, Ohio, Texas and New York we were able to get 51 street Triumphs to surround the Main Tent. There were even some inferior British iron that showed up in support of the event. Awards were presented and 2019 at Buttonwillow in early May was announced as next years race location. Kas and Peggy were their usual gracious self's and Joe was all smiles. A good time was had by all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Tue Jul 10 06:44:31 2018 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:44:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Kastner Cup Posters Available. At cost. References: <5EB5D32E-ECC2-4DD5-8F71-7EDEBC485C47@gmail.com> <2023389445.1737531.1531183543801@mail.yahoo.com> I got Joe's email to the list. John   On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:45:43 +0000 (UTC), Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: Joe sent me this and seems to not be able to post on the email list for some reason. Can we fix that?   Shawn Frank North American Triumphs - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter Continued Legacy - Owner Spitfire & GT6 Magazine - Editor Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '63 Triumph Spitfire4 (MK1) '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '76 Triumph TR7 Victory Edition '80 Triumph Spitfire 1500   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" <joealexandervintage at gmail.com> To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net> Cc: "Shawn Frank" <my71spit13 at yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:30 PM Subject: Kastner Cup Posters Available. At cost. Please forward to FOT List as I don?t seem to be on the list, anymore.    FOT,   We have several left, if you collect them. And they ARE collectible. A rebirth of the ?old days? of Triumphs.   New Tube Postage Poster.  By Clark Lincoln, artist. PayPal.  N197tr4 at cs.com   $10.00.    Hobby Lobby has a great frame.  11 x 17.  Low Cost.   I?d like to see everyone have them. A truly outstanding event.   Checks are OK, too.  Thanks! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:  319.464.4711 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jul 10 14:21:38 2018 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Hello Friends, I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. Thoughts? 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Duncan (Texas) > On Jul 10, 2018, at 3:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > Hello Friends, > > I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. > > > What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. > > > The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. > > > This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. > > > The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. > > The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. > > > Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. > > > > I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. > > > > What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. > > > > All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. > > > > It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Dave H. > > 831-234-4928 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 10 18:01:12 2018 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:01:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> Also try KFP magnum pads. Pauric inc. Canton Ohio 330-453-9757 -----Original Message----- From: "DAVE HOGYE via Fot" Sent: ?7/?10/?2018 4:41 PM To: "Friends of Triumph" Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Hello Friends, I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. Thoughts? Dave H. 831-234-4928 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorne.fritz at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 21:34:32 2018 From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:34:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination Hi, I would like to nominate Bill Emery for membership in FOT. His father just passed away before he could nominate his son. He just towed his TR7 to the Kastner cup only to have problems and couldn?t compete. He is going to race in the park this week end. Lorne Fritz From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jul 11 04:27:07 2018 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:27:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination References: <417CC94F-AB1B-4242-8805-70E14E65B35B@gmail.com> Second! Anyone with that dedication should be welcome! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2018, at 11:34 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > Hi, I would like to nominate Bill Emery for membership in FOT. His father just passed away before he could nominate his son. He just towed his TR7 to the Kastner cup only to have problems and couldn?t compete. He is going to race in the park this week end. Lorne Fritz > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jul 11 04:34:34 2018 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:34:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <20180711011118.1D7D22586CDB@autox.team.net> I would second the recommendation for the Porterfield R4. I went to these after running Ferodo DS-11, also great pads, but no longer available. The friction material is set a little high on the R4 pads, running proud of the stock rotor but that does not seem to be a problem. Will discuss with Porterfield when I order the next set and can send them a worn pad. This problem occurred on both of the two different cars we have. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > > Also try KFP magnum pads. > Pauric inc. Canton Ohio > 330-453-9757 > From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Sent: ?7/?10/?2018 4:41 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > Hello Friends, > > I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. > > > > What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. > > > > The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. > > > > This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. > > > > The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. > > The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. > > > > Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. > > > > I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. > > > > What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. > > > > All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. > > > > It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Dave H. > > 831-234-4928 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jul 11 05:10:03 2018 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:10:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination References: <417CC94F-AB1B-4242-8805-70E14E65B35B@gmail.com> Second or third for sure, met Bill at the Kastner cup in 2008 when he did run the car all weekend. The emeail that I had for him may not be current but I have cc'd him on the email (see if it works?) , Can't have enough wedges!! Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:27 AM To: Lorne Fritz Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination Second! Anyone with that dedication should be welcome! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2018, at 11:34 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > Hi, I would like to nominate Bill Emery for membership in FOT. His > father just passed away before he could nominate his son. He just > towed his TR7 to the Kastner cup only to have problems and couldn?t > compete. He is going to race in the park this week end. Lorne Fritz > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 11 05:22:12 2018 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:22:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination References: <417CC94F-AB1B-4242-8805-70E14E65B35B@gmail.com> I'll second this nomination, I knew Bill's father from the late 60's and re-acquainted with him in the last 10 years. Raced his TR3A for 50+ years. At the Kastner Cup I met his son; also Bill, and had some wonderful remembrances of his father. Lorne, you need to submit his email address to get him on the list. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Lorne Fritz via Fot Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:34 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] nomination Hi, I would like to nominate Bill Emery for membership in FOT. His father just passed away before he could nominate his son. He just towed his TR7 to the Kastner cup only to have problems and couldn?t compete. He is going to race in the park this week end. Lorne Fritz _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 06:24:53 2018 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:24:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination References: <417CC94F-AB1B-4242-8805-70E14E65B35B@gmail.com> ?I'll second the nomination of Bill Emery to the FOT.? 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URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Jul 11 07:53:39 2018 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <20180711010004.ACC712588EC6@autox.team.net> We are a distributor for KFP and have been involved with their product since they started. Ted On 7/10/2018 8:01 PM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > Also try KFP magnum pads. > Pauric inc. Canton Ohio > 330-453-9757 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sent: ?7/?10/?2018 4:41 PM > Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > Hello Friends, > > I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing > front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my > TR3. > > What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. > > The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at > Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other > production pads that I have on hand.? Besides that, they were not > ground down squarely. > > This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking > causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads.? This also > caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy > uneven wear. > > The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads > sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082".? The Carbotech plates > have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050".? That's as much as > .065" clearance in the caliper slot. > > The plates have too much clearance.? I found that a maximum of .010" > backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal.? One set of > pads have only .005" clearance. > > Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground > down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact > with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. > > > I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I > will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that > have the same production issues.? I bought the two sets at the same > time last August. > > > What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding > or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that > really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. > > > All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding > marks.? The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to > the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the > friction material.? Only the backing plate makes contact with the > caliper slot. > > > It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. > > > Thoughts? > > > Dave H. > > 831-234-4928 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 11 08:35:52 2018 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> Hi Tim, Just to clarify, the calipers on my TR3 are the 16PB TR6 units. They are similar to the 16P, but the P calipers have 1/4" pins and the PBs have 3/16" pins. The PBs also have a more durable flush seal design that I like. I open the pin hole to 1/4" for easier pad selection. If I get a set of pads with 3/16" holes, I just open them to 1/4". The PB caliper are sometimes referred to as "metric" because the mount holes and the bolt are metric sized. There shouldn't be any evidence of sanding or grinding marks around the edges of the pad backing plate or on the friction pad. If there is, they are most likely undersize. I have 4 sets of other pads. 2 different Moss compounds, 1 Hawk Blue and an old set of Raybestos that are still new in the box. None of these pads have any evidence of sanding or grinding on the plate edge. The edges are cleanly sheared. Also, the plates should be well proud of the friction material and they are on these 4 sets. On the Carbotech pads, the plates have been ground almost flush to the edge of the friction pad. So the pad edge is making contact with the caliper slot. Not good. It totally sucks that I have had to discover and study this matter. This can be regarded as a serious oversight from Carbotech. This could be potentially dangerous. I noticed this through a routine check after an event when one side seemed to be dragging more than the other. Dave H. > On July 11, 2018 at 6:36 AM timmmurphh at gmail.com wrote: > > > Thanks for this report. We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup. We use the CT2-XP10 compound. I will check our pad to caliper slot clearance. Does anyone know offhand of the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? > > > > Tim Murphy > > #317 TR4 > > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > > > Hello Friends, > > I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. > > > > What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. > > > > The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. > > > > This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. > > > > The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. > > The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. > > > > Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. > > > > I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. > > > > What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. > > > > All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. > > > > It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Dave H. > > 831-234-4928 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 11 09:11:00 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:11:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> Assuming that this is a type 16 caliper, they are all pretty much the same. There are 2 different style pads, "big" pin & "little" pin, dimensionally they are the same, and there are differences in the friction material shape. Some are rectangular, some are the shape of the lower half of a hexagon. These cars need a pad with a taper because they run hotter and wear faster towards the OD. If you're running a full rectangular pad (same shape as the backer), it's gonna wear towards the OD and get a taper in it in-to-out, and that's when the pad/piston alignment gets all poopo-kaka, the pedal gets long, etc. I'm not suggesting that there isn't an issue with what you have discovered but the pad backer ends to the caliper clearance isn't a real close tolerance point. Hope you get it sorted. Glen ps- Also I might be misunderstanding the problem... -----Original Message----- From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2018 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Hello Friends, I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. Thoughts? Dave H. 831-234-4928 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timmmurphh at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 09:28:12 2018 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:28:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> From: timmmurphh at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:36 AM To: 'DAVE HOGYE' Subject: RE: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Thanks for this report. We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup. We use the CT2-XP10 compound. I will check our pad to caliper slot clearance. Does anyone know offhand of the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? Tim Murphy #317 TR4 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Hello Friends, I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. Thoughts? Dave H. 831-234-4928 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Wed Jul 11 11:12:34 2018 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:12:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> <1459031586.394619.1531319752990@connect.xfinity.com> I switched from the Carbotech pads to Porterfield. They work great and the car stops faster! ~Steve > On Jul 11, 2018, at 7:35 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > Just to clarify, the calipers on my TR3 are the 16PB TR6 units. They are similar to the 16P, but the P calipers have 1/4" pins and the PBs have 3/16" pins. The PBs also have a more durable flush seal design that I like. I open the pin hole to 1/4" for easier pad selection. If I get a set of pads with 3/16" holes, I just open them to 1/4". The PB caliper are sometimes referred to as "metric" because the mount holes and the bolt are metric sized. > > There shouldn't be any evidence of sanding or grinding marks around the edges of the pad backing plate or on the friction pad. If there is, they are most likely undersize. > > I have 4 sets of other pads. 2 different Moss compounds, 1 Hawk Blue and an old set of Raybestos that are still new in the box. None of these pads have any evidence of sanding or grinding on the plate edge. The edges are cleanly sheared. > > Also, the plates should be well proud of the friction material and they are on these 4 sets. On the Carbotech pads, the plates have been ground almost flush to the edge of the friction pad. So the pad edge is making contact with the caliper slot. Not good. > > It totally sucks that I have had to discover and study this matter. This can be regarded as a serious oversight from Carbotech. This could be potentially dangerous. I noticed this through a routine check after an event when one side seemed to be dragging more than the other. > > Dave H. > >> On July 11, 2018 at 6:36 AM timmmurphh at gmail.com wrote: >> >> Thanks for this report. We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup. We use the CT2-XP10 compound. I will check our pad to caliper slot clearance. Does anyone know offhand of the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? >> >> >> >> Tim Murphy >> >> #317 TR4 >> >> >> >> From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update >> >> >> >> Hello Friends, >> >> I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. >> >> >> >> What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. >> >> >> >> The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. >> >> >> >> This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. >> >> >> >> The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. >> >> The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. >> >> >> >> Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. >> >> >> >> I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. >> >> >> >> What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. >> >> >> >> All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. >> >> >> >> It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> Dave H. >> >> 831-234-4928 >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 11 11:21:25 2018 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:21:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> <1459031586.394619.1531319752990@connect.xfinity.com> <009401d41937$28e8d430$7aba7c90$@prosystembrakes.com> Thanks a lot, Ashley. This is excellent information. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 11, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Ashley Page wrote: > > All good points. > I have been in the racing brake business for nearly 25 years and worked on them for the 25 prior to that. > Just adding a few points that are industry standards in my work. Some have been pointed out in emails in this thread ? all good. Hope you find this useful. > > There should be some margin between the friction and steel back plate on the ends where the pad abuts the caliper. > The pad should never be loaded against the pins that the pads hang from. The pins are there just to keep the pads from falling through - not to take braking torque. Sadly some pads might need the oval holes opened a little to avoid this; so inspection of all pads is a must. > The pad should have .5mm (.020?) float end to end in the caliper to insure against drag or hanging up at any temperature. > New pads should also have after installed .5mm (.020?) float or slop between the caliper piston or brake rotor and the pad to prevent drag. > The pads should be loose in the caliper and able to be removed with two fingers. > Pad overhang (friction above the OD of the rotor) or under hang (below the ID of the rotor) is not good. If its not chipping away during track use then knock of the overhang after each event. It can cause piston knock back and a long pedal and or overheating ? in the worst case. You can easily file the friction to the correct radius ? at the expense of a cheep new file per box of pads depending on the friction and size. Don?t use your favorite file for this. > Pad steel backing plates are made in several ways, stamping, fine blank stamping and, the best, laser cutting. The problem with worn tooling used to stamp or fine blank plates (unfortunately common with old pad shapes) is that the edges of the plate where they abut the caliper are not flat and square. Instead of a ?fine? edge it looks like its been torn and the pad hits on a sharp corner. This starts to put a groove in the caliper abutment area which is not good. If your pads only have less than .020? float end to end and the plates look like crap on the ends then its advisable to file or belt sand the ends of the plates to be closer to square and flat. If the friction is even with the back plate end it can help cause delamination of the friction from the plate. > > The pads we deal with are very old shapes and for the most part today not subject to inspection by OEM?s such as Ford etc. In other words they are just made in small quantity or in some cases carved out of a larger donor pads and sadly some that do this don?t pay attention to details. > > But I am not throwing stones at random. The pads mentioned are all good and work well in the vintage and club racing world. Its just that some pads slip through with problems mentioned. Just a few things to look for in addition to all mentioned prior. > > Also with some brands if you notice a loss of stopping power look at the pads. If they look glazed over then find a smooth piece of concrete somewhere in the paddock or driveway and using a figure 8 pattern lightly grind away the shine on the friction and in most cases they will perform like new. Only takes 2 or 3 figure 8s to clean them up ? don?t overdo it. > > When the pads are new mark them so that they spend their life in the same place ? i.e. left outer, left inner, right outer, right inner. If you move them around to even out taper or for other reasons you will create a friction surface that is not flat and that is not good. > > Ashley Page > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 10:36 AM > To: timmmurphh at gmail.com; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > Hi Tim, > > Just to clarify, the calipers on my TR3 are the 16PB TR6 units. They are similar to the 16P, but the P calipers have 1/4" pins and the PBs have 3/16" pins. The PBs also have a more durable flush seal design that I like. I open the pin hole to 1/4" for easier pad selection. If I get a set of pads with 3/16" holes, I just open them to 1/4". The PB caliper are sometimes referred to as "metric" because the mount holes and the bolt are metric sized. > > There shouldn't be any evidence of sanding or grinding marks around the edges of the pad backing plate or on the friction pad. If there is, they are most likely undersize. > > I have 4 sets of other pads. 2 different Moss compounds, 1 Hawk Blue and an old set of Raybestos that are still new in the box. None of these pads have any evidence of sanding or grinding on the plate edge. The edges are cleanly sheared. > > Also, the plates should be well proud of the friction material and they are on these 4 sets. On the Carbotech pads, the plates have been ground almost flush to the edge of the friction pad. So the pad edge is making contact with the caliper slot. Not good. > > It totally sucks that I have had to discover and study this matter. This can be regarded as a serious oversight from Carbotech. This could be potentially dangerous. I noticed this through a routine check after an event when one side seemed to be dragging more than the other. > > Dave H. > > On July 11, 2018 at 6:36 AM timmmurphh at gmail.com wrote: > > Thanks for this report. We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup. We use the CT2-XP10 compound. I will check our pad to caliper slot clearance. Does anyone know offhand of the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? > > > > Tim Murphy > > #317 TR4 > > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > > > Hello Friends, > > I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. > > > > What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. > > > > The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. > > > > This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. > > > > The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. > > The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. > > > > Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. > > > > I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. > > > > What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. > > > > All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. > > > > It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Dave H. > > 831-234-4928 > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From apage at prosystembrakes.com Wed Jul 11 12:53:36 2018 From: apage at prosystembrakes.com (Ashley Page) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> <002101d4192b$ccfd2fa0$66f78ee0$@gmail.com> As Glenn pointed out ID to OD taper happens with some pads.?Can also be a sign of loose wheel bearings.? But probably as he describes due to higher rubbing speed on OD.? You can easily taper cut the pads with a 4? diamond masonry blade from just about any hardware or Lowe?s. You can do it with any number of ways even a hacksaw but anything but diamond will wear quickly Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM -0400, "timmmurphh--- via Fot" wrote: ? ? From: timmmurphh at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:36 AM To: 'DAVE HOGYE' Subject: RE: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update ? Thanks for this report.? We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup.? We use the CT2-XP10 compound.? I will check our pad to caliper slot clearance.? Does anyone know offhand of the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? ? Tim Murphy #317 TR4 ? From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update ? Hello Friends, I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. ? What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. ? The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand.? Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. ?? This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads.? This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. ?? The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082".? The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050".? That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot.?? The plates have too much clearance.? I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal.? One set of pads have only .005" clearance.? ? Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. ? I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues.? I bought the two sets at the same time last August.?? ? What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. ? All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks.? The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material.? Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot.?? ? It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier.?? ? Thoughts? ? Dave H. 831-234-4928 ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone From kaskastner at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 18:05:42 2018 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:05:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Winners at the K Cup event *Never be beaten by equipment.* *I am still on my way home and have no way at this instant to scan the sheet but I'll give the winners and scan Saturday if no one else has done so by then.* *TR-6 Sam Halkais* *GT-6 Jim Dolan* *TR-4 Tony Drews* *TR-3 Mike Jackson* *Spitfire Jesse Darrow* *Sedan Jerry Barker* *Special bodied Triumph Vic Schuster* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Jul 11 18:09:18 2018 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accusump Installation References: I?ve had one for years in my Mk. 1 Spitfire. Love it. Best thing is getting 30-40 pounds of oil pressure before I hit the key. Open valve, then start engine. When you?re done, close valve, then shut off engine. BTW, my pressure is set at 80 psi on the Accusump when engine is off and valve closed, which is about what the engine is at when running. My installation is a 3-quart unit, on the floorboard, passenger side, just over the center hump so I can reach it while belted in. Manual valve ? didn?t want to have to depend on electrics. You?ll need an adaptor for the engine block, goes where the oil filter went. My filter hangs on the firewall (another adaptor), right under the brake/clutch masters. Adaptor on block usually marked ?out? and ?in? ? flow goes ?out? the edge, ?in? at the center at the block. Which means at the remote filter, flow goes ?in? at the edge, ?out? at the center. At the remote filter, my ?in? port is a T-fitting because I also have my oil temp sensor there (it?s the hottest oil that just came out of the engine). >From center of the filter my lines go to the oil cooler ? doesn?t matter which is in and which is out ? then back to the block through a check valve which prevents backflow to the oil cooler. At the ?in? port on the block is another T-fitting ? one line comes from the oil cooler, the other line comes from the Accusump. --Rocky Entriken From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 8:57 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Accusump Installation Hello Amici, Congrats to all participants in this year's Kastner Cup. Us West Coaster's are looking forward to the Buttonwillow event in 2019. In fact, it has been my soul motivation to bring my Spitfire back to life after a 43 year snooze... I have noted Accusump installations on the majority of our LBC race cars. I am looking at installing one but don't quite understand the installation. 1, 2 or 3 quart for my 1300 cc Spitfire? Manual or electric valve installation? The cylinder will be sitting right next to me on the passenger side of the car. Which side of my oil filter head supplies the oil cooler? Nearest the firewall or nearest the radiator? Pics and advice greatly appreciated. I only have 10 months left to get the car ready! Cheers, Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Engine-left[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 119665 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jul 11 18:23:40 2018 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 00:23:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> <002101d4192b$ccfd2fa0$66f78ee0$@gmail.com>, <5D3076785B8A61C5.41E5DF95-760C-4BB7-9248-CEC5A8426678@mail.outlook.com> What is the effect of using TR6 calipers designed for use on 10.75 rotors on TR3 11? rotors ? Sent from my iPhone As Glenn pointed out ID to OD taper happens with some pads. Can also be a sign of loose wheel bearings. But probably as he describes due to higher rubbing speed on OD. You can easily taper cut the pads with a 4? diamond masonry blade from just about any hardware or Lowe?s. You can do it with any number of ways even a hacksaw but anything but diamond will wear quickly Get Outlook for iOS Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Thanks for this report. We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup. We use the CT2-XP10 compound. I will check our pad to caliper slot clearance. Does anyone know offhand of the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? Tim Murphy #317 TR4 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Hello Friends, I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. Thoughts? Dave H. 831-234-4928 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From apage at prosystembrakes.com Wed Jul 11 19:34:59 2018 From: apage at prosystembrakes.com (Ashley Page) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 01:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> <002101d4192b$ccfd2fa0$66f78ee0$@gmail.com>, <5D3076785B8A61C5.41E5DF95-760C-4BB7-9248-CEC5A8426678@mail.outlook.com> <8E56E6CE-D9CC-46E5-A2C2-96E5166BE1E7@mhc-law.com> As far as braking effect it?s simple math. Assuming the master cylinder, pad compound and rotors ?are not changed then the calipers with the largest dia pistons will, for a given pedal effort, generate more clamping force. If you care to to go to extremes then you would also factor in the distance from the axle center to the CG of the pad friction which is the ?friction radius? - but that?s picking the fly poop out of the pepper for what you are doing. ?? Other considerations: Assuming the TR6 caliper will bolt up to the TR3 knuckle, you would need to make sure the rotor path through the caliper would accept the bigger rotor- likely would but should be checked. At some point a rotor with larger dia than the caliper is designed for will touch the rotor path at the ends of the caliper (to small of rotor will touch in the path next to the pad opening). In both those extremes the pads typically won?t fit either. Another issue to check is rotor thickness. If the TR3 rotor is thinner then make sure as the pads wear that a caliper piston can?t come out of the caliper. Also check the pad to make sure it?s annulus is not larger than the TR3 rotor. You don?t want overhang or under hang of friction material. Also you want the friction to cover the rotor with very little unused swept area of rotor ID or OD. To much unused iron can be a problem also. Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:23 PM -0400, "John H. Hasty" wrote: What is the effect of using TR6 calipers designed for use on 10.75 rotors on TR3 11? rotors ? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Ashley Page via Fot wrote: As Glenn pointed out ID to OD taper happens with some pads.? Can also be a sign of loose wheel bearings.? But probably as he describes due to higher rubbing speed on OD.? You can easily taper cut the pads with a 4? diamond masonry blade from just about any hardware or Lowe?s. You can do it with any number of ways even a hacksaw but anything but diamond will wear quickly Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM -0400, "timmmurphh--- via Fot" wrote: ? ? From: timmmurphh at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:36 AM To: 'DAVE HOGYE' Subject: RE: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update ? Thanks for this report.? We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup.? We use the CT2-XP10 compound.? I will check our pad to caliper slot clearance.? Does anyone know offhand of the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? ? Tim Murphy #317 TR4 ? From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update ? Hello Friends, I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. ? What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. ? The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand.? Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. ?? This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads.? This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. ?? The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082".? The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050".? That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot.?? The plates have too much clearance.? I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal.? One set of pads have only .005" clearance.? ? Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. ? I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues.? I bought the two sets at the same time last August.?? ? What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. ? All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks.? The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material.? Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot.?? ? It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier.?? ? Thoughts? ? Dave H. 831-234-4928 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 11 19:41:15 2018 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 20:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup in-car video Here's the in-car video of my epic battle with Jim Dolan and Scott Janzen: https://youtu.be/5E03SPHjMTM Cheers, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 11 19:56:45 2018 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 20:56:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCup References: <7BC82AD1-B4A3-48B5-8897-D392F26D0EDB@mhc-law.com> Here it is again. Regards, Tony On 7/11/2018 3:20 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Can someone scan the results sheet for the race & send it out? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2018_Kas_Cup_Results.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 487465 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 11 20:20:06 2018 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 21:20:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accusump Installation References: I can't comment on the Spitfire side of it, but I like the electric valve in the regards that I never forget to shut the valve when I turn off the engine - it's wired to the ignition circuit.? Jack would forget the manual valve about 20% of the time and then lose the startup benefit plus you have lower pressure when it's refilling the accusump. Regards, Tony On 7/11/2018 7:09 PM, Rocky Entriken via Fot wrote: > I?ve had one for years in my Mk. 1 Spitfire. Love it. Best thing is > getting 30-40 pounds of oil pressure before I hit the key. Open valve, > then start engine. When you?re done, close valve, then shut off > engine. BTW, my pressure is set at 80 psi on the Accusump when engine > is off and valve closed, which is about what the engine is at when > running. > My installation is a 3-quart unit, on the floorboard, passenger side, > just over the center hump so I can reach it while belted in. > Manual valve ? didn?t want to have to depend on electrics. > You?ll need an adaptor for the engine block, goes where the oil filter > went. My filter hangs on the firewall (another adaptor), right under > the brake/clutch masters. Adaptor on block usually marked ?out? and > ?in? ? flow goes ?out? the edge, ?in? at the center at the block. > Which means at the remote filter, flow goes ?in? at the edge, ?out? at > the center. At the remote filter, my ?in? port is a T > -fitting because I also have my oil temp sensor there (it?s the > hottest oil that just came out of the engine). > From center of the filter my lines go to the oil cooler ? doesn?t > matter which is in and which is out ? then back to the block through a > check valve which prevents backflow to the oil cooler. At the ?in? > port on the block is another T-fitting ? one line c > omes from the oil cooler, the other line comes from the Accusump. > --Rocky Entriken > Engine-left > *From:* Brad Eells via Fot > *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2018 8:57 PM > *To:* fot > *Subject:* [Fot] Accusump Installation > Hello Amici, > Congrats to all participants in this year's Kastner Cup. Us West > Coaster's are looking forward to the Buttonwillow event in 2019. In > fact, it has been my soul motivation to bring my Spitfire back to life > after a 43 year snooze... > I have noted Accusump installations on the majority of our LBC race > cars. I am looking at installing one but don't quite understand the > installation. > 1, 2 or 3 quart for my 1300 cc Spitfire? > Manual or electric valve installation? The cylinder will be sitting > right next to me on the passenger side of the car. > Which side of my oil filter head supplies the oil cooler? Nearest the > firewall or nearest the radiator? > Pics and advice greatly appreciated. I only have 10 months left to get > the car ready! > Cheers, > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hasty via Fot wrote: > > What is the effect of using TR6 calipers designed for use on 10.75 rotors on TR3 11? rotors ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Ashley Page via Fot wrote: > >> As Glenn pointed out ID to OD taper happens with some pads. >> Can also be a sign of loose wheel bearings. >> >> But probably as he describes due to higher rubbing speed on OD. >> >> You can easily taper cut the pads with a 4? diamond masonry blade from just about any hardware or Lowe?s. You can do it with any number of ways even a hacksaw but anything but diamond will wear quickly >> Get Outlook for iOS >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM -0400, "timmmurphh--- via Fot" wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> From: timmmurphh at gmail.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:36 AM >>> To: 'DAVE HOGYE' >>> Subject: RE: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update >>> >>> Thanks for this report. We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup. We use the CT2-XP10 compound. I will check our pad to caliper slot clearance. Does anyone know offhand of the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? >>> >>> Tim Murphy >>> #317 TR4 >>> >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update >>> >>> Hello Friends, >>> >>> I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. >>> >>> >>> >>> What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. >>> >>> >>> >>> This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. >>> >>> >>> >>> The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. >>> >>> The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. >>> >>> >>> >>> What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. >>> >>> >>> >>> All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave H. >>> >>> 831-234-4928 >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DH > On July 9, 2018 at 12:07 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > Attached is the 2018 Kastner Cup time sheet for all to enjoy. > > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Ted Schumacher via Fot wrote: > > > > FOT, > > > > Although I didn't place in anything... > > I entered, competed, and finished my first K-Cup with a brand new engine I built myself! AAANNNDDD..I got my best lap of the weekend so far. Weather has been amazing and the racer camaraderie has been the same. > > > > M. Huovinen > > Spit #80 > > > > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 Steven Belfer via Fot < steve at artwithcars.com mailto:steve at artwithcars.com > wrote: > > > > Anxiously waiting any news from the track. 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URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Thu Jul 12 07:56:26 2018 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 13:56:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> <002101d4192b$ccfd2fa0$66f78ee0$@gmail.com>, <5D3076785B8A61C5.41E5DF95-760C-4BB7-9248-CEC5A8426678@mail.outlook.com> <8E56E6CE-D9CC-46E5-A2C2-96E5166BE1E7@mhc-law.com> <5D3076785B8A61C5.D479DDDF-875A-4D7E-BFCE-999DCDA5B50B@mail.outlook.com> I was wondering about exactly this. The 6 rotor is 10.5? and the 3 rotor is 11? [cid:image001.png at 01D419C6.984D2A80] John H. Hasty Attorney at Law Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A. 301 S. York St., P.O. Box 488 Gastonia, NC 28053 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been sent by a law firm on a legal matter. 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Hasty Cc: timmmurphh at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update As far as braking effect it?s simple math. Assuming the master cylinder, pad compound and rotors are not changed then the calipers with the largest dia pistons will, for a given pedal effort, generate more clamping force. If you care to to go to extremes then you would also factor in the distance from the axle center to the CG of the pad friction which is the ?friction radius? - but that?s picking the fly poop out of the pepper for what you are doing. Other considerations: Assuming the TR6 caliper will bolt up to the TR3 knuckle, you would need to make sure the rotor path through the caliper would accept the bigger rotor- likely would but should be checked. At some point a rotor with larger dia than the caliper is designed for will touch the rotor path at the ends of the caliper (to small of rotor will touch in the path next to the pad opening). In both those extremes the pads typically won?t fit either. Another issue to check is rotor thickness. If the TR3 rotor is thinner then make sure as the pads wear that a caliper piston can?t come out of the caliper. Also check the pad to make sure it?s annulus is not larger than the TR3 rotor. You don?t want overhang or under hang of friction material. Also you want the friction to cover the rotor with very little unused swept area of rotor ID or OD. To much unused iron can be a problem also. Get Outlook for iOS What is the effect of using TR6 calipers designed for use on 10.75 rotors on TR3 11? rotors ? Sent from my iPhone As Glenn pointed out ID to OD taper happens with some pads. Can also be a sign of loose wheel bearings. But probably as he describes due to higher rubbing speed on OD. You can easily taper cut the pads with a 4? diamond masonry blade from just about any hardware or Lowe?s. You can do it with any number of ways even a hacksaw but anything but diamond will wear quickly Get Outlook for iOS Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Thanks for this report. We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup. We use the CT2-XP10 compound. I will check our pad to caliper slot clearance. Does anyone know offhand of the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? Tim Murphy #317 TR4 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Hello Friends, I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. Thoughts? Dave H. 831-234-4928 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 12907 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jul 12 10:10:57 2018 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:10:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutches I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over 180 hp at the crankshaft. What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the close ratio gears and welded diff, I need to do a fair amount of clutch slip around the paddock, and am also concerned about how the on-off nature of one these might further stress the differential. Scott Janzen GT6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 10:25:38 2018 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> Scott, Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very smooth engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock disc. Jason On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:13 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a > traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable > clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 > shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat > and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over > 180 hp at the crankshaft. > > What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to > change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid > center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the close ratio gears and welded > diff, I need to do a fair amount of clutch slip around the paddock, and am > also concerned about how the on-off nature of one these might further > stress the differential. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jul 12 10:38:13 2018 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> I have not - where do I source? On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Jason Sukey wrote: Scott, Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very smooth engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock disc. Jason I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over 180 hp at the crankshaft. What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the close ratio gears and welded diff, I need to do a fair amount of clutch slip around the paddock, and am also concerned about how the on-off nature of one these might further stress the differential. Scott Janzen GT6 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 10:43:07 2018 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:43:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> <1AB5F3F1-B87C-43B0-8CF7-9612E78C463F@me.com> I purchased mine from Richard Good. I don't have close ratios, so it's the standard TR6 spline. I would guess he can get them in the other spline count also. Jason On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:38 PM Scott Janzen wrote: > I have not - where do I source? > > On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Jason Sukey wrote: > > Scott, > Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very smooth > engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock disc. > > Jason > > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:13 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > >> I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a >> traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable >> clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 >> shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat >> and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over >> 180 hp at the crankshaft. >> >> What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to >> change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid >> center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the close ratio gears and welded >> diff, I need to do a fair amount of clutch slip around the paddock, and am >> also concerned about how the on-off nature of one these might further >> stress the differential. >> >> Scott Janzen >> GT6 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 11:27:31 2018 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kas Cup in-car video References: <201807121314.w6CDEVqS029515@mail55c28.carrierzone.com> Hi John, To this point, the weekend was the highlight of my racing "career", all 10 or so races of it. Considering a few factors, with a little more motor, I think I might have been even closer. Consider too, the tire choice. I'm not bitching, I think it was pretty kool to be in the hunt regardless of the circumstances or eventual outcome. I am really glad to have participated and want to thank everyone involved - it was a "real hoot". Keep the shiny side up! I'll probably post a video of the race, but other than lap one and lap 12 (the one that didn't count), it's pretty boring. For those that looked at lap charts, I had some sort of issue in the tight right-hander coming on the front stretch - I actually thought I'd broken the differential. I purposely turned the wick down so-as to complete the race. It looked like a good overall strategy until the debate with the stewards decided to only count the 11 laps. Oh well. My "crew" is apparently quite satisfied with the mini-keg of beer. I told Bill W. and Dr. Bob that it was okay for them to have it. Bob Lang On Thursday, July 12, 2018, 9:15:13 AM EDT, R. John Lye wrote: Hi Bob, Congratulations on a great race - staying with Sam is impressive! John -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup in-car video Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 20:41:15 -0500 From: Tony Drews via Fot To: Amici Triumphi Here's the in-car video of my epic battle with Jim Dolan and Scott Janzen: https://youtu.be/5E03SPHjMTM Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 12:12:07 2018 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 14:12:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> How about a metallic paddle clutch disc with a spring hub and a stage 2 pressure plate? On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > Scott, > Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very smooth > engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock disc. > > Jason > > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:13 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > >> I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a >> traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable >> clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 >> shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat >> and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over >> 180 hp at the crankshaft. >> >> What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to >> change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid >> center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the close ratio gears and welded >> diff, I need to do a fair amount of clutch slip around the paddock, and am >> also concerned about how the on-off nature of one these might further >> stress the differential. >> >> Scott Janzen >> GT6 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >> options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 12:22:23 2018 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 14:22:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> <002101d4192b$ccfd2fa0$66f78ee0$@gmail.com> <5D3076785B8A61C5.41E5DF95-760C-4BB7-9248-CEC5A8426678@mail.outlook.com> <8E56E6CE-D9CC-46E5-A2C2-96E5166BE1E7@mhc-law.com> <5D3076785B8A61C5.D479DDDF-875A-4D7E-BFCE-999DCDA5B50B@mail.outlook.com> The stock TR3B-6 brake caliper mounting bracket for the 16P caliper won't accommodate the larger diameter 11" rotor. On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:56 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > I was wondering about exactly this. The 6 rotor is 10.5? and the 3 rotor > is 11? > > > > > > *John H. Hasty* > > *Attorney at Law* > > *Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.* > > 301 S. York St., > > P.O. Box 488 > > Gastonia, NC 28053 > > 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f) > > mhc-law.com | jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been sent by > a law firm on a legal matter. It may contain information that is > confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise legally exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate > this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this > message in error, please delete this message and any attachments from your > system without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the > inadvertent transmission. There is no intent on the part of the sender to > waive any privilege, including the attorney-client privilege, that may > attach to this communication. Thank you for your cooperation. 11 U.S.C. > 528(a)(4) NOTICE. We are a debt relief agency. We help people file for > bankruptcy relief under the federal Bankruptcy Code. > > > > > > *From:* Ashley Page [mailto:apage at prosystembrakes.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:35 PM > *To:* John H. Hasty > *Cc:* timmmurphh at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > > > As far as braking effect it?s simple math. Assuming the master cylinder, > pad compound and rotors are not changed then the calipers with the largest > dia pistons will, for a given pedal effort, generate more clamping force. > If you care to to go to extremes then you would also factor in the distance > from the axle center to the CG of the pad friction which is the ?friction > radius? - but that?s picking the fly poop out of the pepper for what you > are doing. > > Other considerations: > > > > Assuming the TR6 caliper will bolt up to the TR3 knuckle, you would need > to make sure the rotor path through the caliper would accept the bigger > rotor- likely would but should be checked. At some point a rotor with > larger dia than the caliper is designed for will touch the rotor path at > the ends of the caliper (to small of rotor will touch in the path next to > the pad opening). In both those extremes the pads typically won?t fit > either. > > > > Another issue to check is rotor thickness. If the TR3 rotor is thinner > then make sure as the pads wear that a caliper piston can?t come out of the > caliper. > > > > Also check the pad to make sure it?s annulus is not larger than the TR3 > rotor. You don?t want overhang or under hang of friction material. Also you > want the friction to cover the rotor with very little unused swept area of > rotor ID or OD. To much unused iron can be a problem also. > > > > > > > > Get Outlook for iOS > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:23 PM -0400, "John H. Hasty" > wrote: > > What is the effect of using TR6 calipers designed for use on 10.75 rotors > on TR3 11? rotors ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Ashley Page via Fot > wrote: > > As Glenn pointed out ID to OD taper happens with some pads. > > Can also be a sign of loose wheel bearings. > > > > But probably as he describes due to higher rubbing speed on OD. > > > > You can easily taper cut the pads with a 4? diamond masonry blade from > just about any hardware or Lowe?s. You can do it with any number of ways > even a hacksaw but anything but diamond will wear quickly > > Get Outlook for iOS > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM -0400, "timmmurphh--- via Fot" < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > > *From:* timmmurphh at gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:36 AM > *To:* 'DAVE HOGYE' > *Subject:* RE: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > > > Thanks for this report. We have had some issues with the Carbotech pads > on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup. We use the CT2-XP10 compound. I > will check our pad to caliper slot clearance. Does anyone know offhand of > the slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 at 3.095?? > > > > Tim Murphy > > #317 TR4 > > > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *DAVE HOGYE via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM > *To:* Friends of Triumph > *Subject:* [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > > > Hello Friends, > > I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front > brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. > > > > What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. > > > > The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at > Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other > production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground > down squarely. > > > > This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing > the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the > rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. > > > > The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets > have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an > out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" > clearance in the caliper slot. > > The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" > backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads > have only .005" clearance. > > > > Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down > far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the > caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. > > > > I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will > be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the > same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last > August. > > > > What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or > grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, > there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. > > > > All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding > marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the > backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction > material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. > > > > It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Dave H. > > 831-234-4928 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Thu Jul 12 13:07:17 2018 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:07:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Transponder battery replacement An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Jul 12 13:22:14 2018 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:22:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> <1AB5F3F1-B87C-43B0-8CF7-9612E78C463F@me.com> I?ve recently dealt with California Clutch, aka Clutchnet. Very knowledgeable. They made a custom clutch disc for me and uprated my stock TR6 pressure plate. Very responsive. Californiaclutch.com ?+1 (626) 448-7432? Phil Gott TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > I purchased mine from Richard Good. I don't have close ratios, so it's the standard TR6 spline. I would guess he can get them in the other spline count also. > Jason > >> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:38 PM Scott Janzen wrote: >> I have not - where do I source? >> >> On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Jason Sukey wrote: >> >> Scott, >> Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very smooth engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock disc. >> >> Jason >> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:13 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >>> I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over 180 hp at the crankshaft. >>> >>> What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the close ratio gears and welded diff, I need to do a fair amount of clutch slip around the paddock, and am also concerned about how the on-off nature of one these might further stress the differential. >>> >>> Scott Janzen >>> GT6 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jul 12 13:42:49 2018 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:42:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> <1AB5F3F1-B87C-43B0-8CF7-9612E78C463F@me.com> <0496554C-A7C3-41B4-B9F4-EDB9A482376A@aol.com> ok, thanks - I will give them a try. On Jul 12, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Phil Gott wrote: I?ve recently dealt with California Clutch, aka Clutchnet. Very knowledgeable. They made a custom clutch disc for me and uprated my stock TR6 pressure plate. Very responsive. Californiaclutch.com ?+1 (626) 448-7432? Phil Gott TR4A Sent from my iPhone > I purchased mine from Richard Good. I don't have close ratios, so it's the standard TR6 spline. I would guess he can get them in the other spline count also. > Jason > > I have not - where do I source? > > > Scott, > Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very smooth engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock disc. > > Jason > > > I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over 180 hp at the crankshaft. > > What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the close ratio gears and welded diff, I need to do a fair amount of clutch slip around the paddock, and am also concerned about how the on-off nature of one these might further stress the differential. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 15:58:27 2018 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:58:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> <1AB5F3F1-B87C-43B0-8CF7-9612E78C463F@me.com> <0496554C-A7C3-41B4-B9F4-EDB9A482376A@aol.com> Sean has source of up rated clutches. Very happy with them. I think he gave Mike Moore our spare. Mike likely can provide an impression. Maybe a picture. Good price. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jul 12, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > I?ve recently dealt with California Clutch, aka Clutchnet. Very knowledgeable. They made a custom clutch disc for me and uprated my stock TR6 pressure plate. Very responsive. > Californiaclutch.com > ?+1 (626) 448-7432? > Phil Gott > TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> >> I purchased mine from Richard Good. I don't have close ratios, so it's the standard TR6 spline. I would guess he can get them in the other spline count also. >> Jason >> >>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:38 PM Scott Janzen wrote: >>> I have not - where do I source? >>> >>> On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Jason Sukey wrote: >>> >>> Scott, >>> Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very smooth engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock disc. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:13 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >>>> I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over 180 hp at the crankshaft. >>>> >>>> What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the close ratio gears and welded diff, I need to do a fair amount of clutch slip around the paddock, and am also concerned about how the on-off nature of one these might further stress the differential. >>>> >>>> Scott Janzen >>>> GT6 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 12 16:14:17 2018 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:14:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> <1AB5F3F1-B87C-43B0-8CF7-9612E78C463F@me.com> <0496554C-A7C3-41B4-B9F4-EDB9A482376A@aol.com> Interesting.? My setup is from clutchnet, but "responsive" is not the term I'd have used.? Knowledgeable, yes.? I was happy with the product but not the service.? Maybe it was just that one transaction though. - Tony Drews On 7/12/2018 2:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > I?ve recently dealt with California Clutch, aka Clutchnet. Very > knowledgeable. They made a custom clutch disc for me and uprated my > stock TR6 pressure plate. Very responsive. > Californiaclutch.com > ?+1 (626) 448-7432? > Phil Gott > TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot >> I purchased mine from Richard Good.? I don't have close ratios, so >> it's the standard TR6 spline.? I would guess he can get them in the >> other spline count also. >> Jason >> >> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:38 PM Scott Janzen > >> I have not - where do I source? >> >> On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Jason Sukey > >> Scott, >> Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very >> smooth engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock >> disc. >> >> Jason >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:13 PM Scott Janzen via Fot >> >> I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure >> plate and a traditional/organic material clutch disc.? I was >> getting unacceptable clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially >> on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 shifts, to the point I could >> not apply full power.? It?s not oil, just heat and power, as >> the clutch disc has only a few events on it.? I?ve got over >> 180 hp at the crankshaft. >> >> What sources have you all found for uprated components?? I?m >> willing to change flywheels.? Should I consider a small >> diameter, solid center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the >> close ratio gears and welded diff, I need to do a fair amount >> of clutch slip around the paddock, and am also concerned >> about how the on-off nature of one these might further stress >> the differential. >> >> Scott Janzen >> GT6 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <1972367521.596185230.1531430738092.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Marcel, I just had my diff apart to replace seals and just to look around inside. I had to use a 20 ton press to get those bearings off the inner axle shaft; very tight. I'd check the tolerances on the shaft and bearing. You may have some wear in the parts. Pressing them back together took some force too. Loc tite has a product for holding bearings onto shafts, green I think. It may help. Hope this helps and good luck. Bill On 7/12/2018 5:25 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > The inner axle shaft (right side) has moved out of the axle house by > as much as 12mm, so far that a lot of oil has leaked after a race. > The? ball bearing has slided inwards on the axle shaft by the same > amount (retained by the oil seal housing). Has anyone experienced > this? Before? I noticed these bearings had moved a little, but never > more than 3mm. In fact, nothing does prevent the bearing of sliding on > the axle shaft, except the interference. > Does someone know a fix? Loctiting the bearing on the axle shaft? > Machining a groove for a circlip? > Marcel. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From igofaster at att.net Thu Jul 12 21:05:05 2018 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 03:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 References: <1990959257.3729451.1531451105447.ref@mail.yahoo.com> My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... 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Marcel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Fri Jul 13 05:06:53 2018 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:06:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Inner axle shaft of IRS rear axle moving outwards. References: <1972367521.596185230.1531430738092.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I found just now that the big washer was touching the cover of the diff housing : there is a groove where these 2 parts did touch. So the rubber mountings had no function anymore. Maybe the vibration of the pinion/crownwheel has worked as a hammering (in the curves)? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Vrijdag 13 juli 2018 04:44:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Inner axle shaft of IRS rear axle moving outwards. Marcel, I just had my diff apart to replace seals and just to look around inside. I had to use a 20 ton press to get those bearings off the inner axle shaft; very tight. I'd check the tolerances on the shaft and bearing. You may have some wear in the parts. Pressing them back together took some force too. Loc tite has a product for holding bearings onto shafts, green I think. It may help. Hope this helps and good luck. Bill On 7/12/2018 5:25 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: The inner axle shaft (right side) has moved out of the axle house by as much as 12mm, so far that a lot of oil has leaked after a race. The ball bearing has slided inwards on the axle shaft by the same amount (retained by the oil seal housing). Has anyone experienced this? Before? I noticed these bearings had moved a little, but never more than 3mm. In fact, nothing does prevent the bearing of sliding on the axle shaft, except the interference. Does someone know a fix? Loctiting the bearing on the axle shaft? Machining a groove for a circlip? 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Here is the link to that: https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs/photos/a.225961787527668.1073741828.225875854202928/812183895572118/?type=3&theater -Here is the post of your 2018 Kastner Cup Champion Jim Dolan on track. https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs/photos/pcb.812647672192407/812645292192645/?type=3&theater -Jim Dolan accepting the Cup https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs/photos/pcb.813744275416080/813720052085169/?type=3&theater -Your top 5 based on official results https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs/photos/pcb.815003961956778/815001595290348/?type=3&theater -and a few with the Kastner/Brophy cars and Mr Kas Kastner himself https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs/photos/pcb.816158981841276/816157965174711/?type=3&theater Shawn Frank Spitfire & GT6 Magazine, Editor Continued Legacy, Owner North American Triumphs, Admin Friends of Triumph, NASS#746, VTR#94692, Iowa BCC Drive Away Cancer Iowa, driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"'63 Triumph Spitfire4 MK1'72 Triumph GT6 MK3'76 Triumph TR7 Victory Edition '80 Triumph Spitfire 1500 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 08:50:25 2018 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 07:50:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Inner axle shaft of IRS rear axle moving outwards. References: <1972367521.596185230.1531430738092.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I have a pair of shafts, bearings and seals (assembled) for sale if anybody is interested. On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 12:04 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > Marcel, I just had my diff apart to replace seals and just to look around > inside. I had to use a 20 ton press to get those bearings off the inner > axle shaft; very tight. I'd check the tolerances on the shaft and bearing. > You may have some wear in the parts. Pressing them back together took some > force too. > > Loc tite has a product for holding bearings onto shafts, green I think. It > may help. > > Hope this helps and good luck. > > Bill > > On 7/12/2018 5:25 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > The inner axle shaft (right side) has moved out of the axle house by as > much as 12mm, so far that a lot of oil has leaked after a race. > The ball bearing has slided inwards on the axle shaft by the same amount > (retained by the oil seal housing). Has anyone experienced this? Before? I > noticed these bearings had moved a little, but never more than 3mm. In > fact, nothing does prevent the bearing of sliding on the axle shaft, except > the interference. > Does someone know a fix? 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Ned helped me at my first Kastner Cup, and he's a great resource and great guy. He?s with us at the track - he should be in the group! On Jul 13, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Ned Sparrow has been a true FOT over the years having helped me build and drive Khartu back in the day, but those who have been at the track and in need also should know Ned as a go-to guy who can get you put on the track in a pinch. And sitting around the campfire, he's got some great stories about helping run a CP car in NEdiv back in the 70's. I know he's helped a bunch of FOTers (Henry, Mark, Scott, others) at the track over the years... Can I please have a second? sparrowned at hotmail.com Respectfully, Bob Lang _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Fri Jul 13 11:45:43 2018 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:45:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination References: <1439081146.3578925.1531499430766.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1439081146.3578925.1531499430766@mail.yahoo.com> Sounds like a true friend of the sport. Second. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Hi, > > Ned Sparrow has been a true FOT over the years having helped me build and drive Khartu back in the day, but those who have been at the track and in need also should know Ned as a go-to guy who can get you put on the track in a pinch. And sitting around the campfire, he's got some great stories about helping run a CP car in NEdiv back in the 70's. I know he's helped a bunch of FOTers (Henry, Mark, Scott, others) at the track over the years... > > Can I please have a second? > > sparrowned at hotmail.com > > Respectfully, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 11:49:53 2018 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:49:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination References: <1439081146.3578925.1531499430766.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1439081146.3578925.1531499430766@mail.yahoo.com> How is Ned not already on the list? A big "second" for a great guy! Jason On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 1:39 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Ned Sparrow has been a true FOT over the years having helped me build and > drive Khartu back in the day, but those who have been at the track and in > need also should know Ned as a go-to guy who can get you put on the track > in a pinch. And sitting around the campfire, he's got some great stories > about helping run a CP car in NEdiv back in the 70's. I know he's helped a > bunch of FOTers (Henry, Mark, Scott, others) at the track over the years... > > Can I please have a second? > > sparrowned at hotmail.com > > Respectfully, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Fri Jul 13 13:17:09 2018 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:17:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> <1AB5F3F1-B87C-43B0-8CF7-9612E78C463F@me.com> <0496554C-A7C3-41B4-B9F4-EDB9A482376A@aol.com> <8da52686-a198-73b5-4872-50957d208cfc@tonydrews.com> FOT, I am not stumping for anyone and I have no firm position in this thread. I just want to throw out there that we have had an excellent experience with SPEC and the clutches that they have delivered to us. We did a tranny swap after two seasons in a clutch so I took the pressure plate off to inspect everything. The friction surface on the paddles had less than 50% wear on them. Everything had worn very evenly and was in excellent shape. Our learning curve was getting our hydraulic system to handle the load that the heavily sprung pressure plate required. We did accomplish that with a few changes and all has been good for over two seasons. Spec?s quality of components and customer service have been great for us. Their turn around time is also very impressive. We got our most recent clutch disc within 3 days of ordering and it was custom made for us. Best wishes to all in finding a solution that they are happy with. We certainly found ours and it has made our lives easier. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Interesting. My setup is from clutchnet, but "responsive" is not the term I'd have used. Knowledgeable, yes. I was happy with the product but not the service. Maybe it was just that one transaction though. > > - Tony Drews > >> On 7/12/2018 2:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> I?ve recently dealt with California Clutch, aka Clutchnet. Very knowledgeable. They made a custom clutch disc for me and uprated my stock TR6 pressure plate. Very responsive. >> Californiaclutch.com >> ?+1 (626) 448-7432? >> Phil Gott >> TR4A >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> >>> I purchased mine from Richard Good. I don't have close ratios, so it's the standard TR6 spline. I would guess he can get them in the other spline count also. >>> Jason >>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:38 PM Scott Janzen wrote: >>>> I have not - where do I source? >>>> >>>> On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Jason Sukey wrote: >>>> >>>> Scott, >>>> Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very smooth engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock disc. >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:13 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >>>>> I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over 180 hp at the crankshaft. >>>>> >>>>> What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid center/multi-disc racing clutch? With the close ratio gears and welded diff, I need to do a fair amount of clutch slip around the paddock, and am also concerned about how the on-off nature of one these might further stress the differential. >>>>> >>>>> Scott Janzen >>>>> GT6 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > know he's helped a bunch of FOTers (Henry, Mark, Scott, others) at the > track over the years... > > Can I please have a second? > > sparrowned at hotmail.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Jul 13 13:40:21 2018 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 15:40:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Jim Dooley References: <1386892224.3568851.1531499177313.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1386892224.3568851.1531499177313@mail.yahoo.com> I met Jim briefly at Blackhawk, our kind of people for sure... Second! On 2018-07-13 12:26, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Jim and his buddy Craig were paddocked at the Blackhawk Kastner cup > last year, Jim being unable to run in the event due to technical > preparation considerations - BUT, Jim came out to Pitt Race for the > 2018 K-Cup and to pick up a new engine for his TR6 that Sam built. Jim > has also been driving that TR6 at midwest tracks like Hallet and > Gateway as well as some vintage re-enactments - seems to me that Jim > should be an FOT. Do I have a second? > > jdooley46 at sbcglobal.net From edunn at transfueler.com Fri Jul 13 13:45:49 2018 From: edunn at transfueler.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 12:45:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FoT Facebook Friends, I've sold my last Triumph race car ('64 Spitfire) to new FoT member Dave Cutter. Switching to open wheel; Formula V, Formula Ford and maybe a D/SR... We'll still have a couple Triumph road cars around, just not actually racing them at this point. I would like someone to take over the FoT Facebook page, if there is any interest in it. Amici... Ed Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 [cid:image002.jpg at 01D41AA7.6D514410] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hasty) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 01:21:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Clutches References: <7DCD4154-4948-4C11-B1E1-E1F950B669E5@me.com> <1AB5F3F1-B87C-43B0-8CF7-9612E78C463F@me.com> <0496554C-A7C3-41B4-B9F4-EDB9A482376A@aol.com> <8da52686-a198-73b5-4872-50957d208cfc@tonydrews.com>, <66A9F742-A41D-410D-AEC5-88E334B14C42@att.net> Me too Paul....they told me what to use... it works perfectly...two years on same disc...perfect wear pattern... cain?t recommend them higher!!! Sent from my iPhone FOT, I am not stumping for anyone and I have no firm position in this thread. I just want to throw out there that we have had an excellent experience with SPEC and the clutches that they have delivered to us. We did a tranny swap after two seasons in a clutch so I took the pressure plate off to inspect everything. The friction surface on the paddles had less than 50% wear on them. Everything had worn very evenly and was in excellent shape. Our learning curve was getting our hydraulic system to handle the load that the heavily sprung pressure plate required. We did accomplish that with a few changes and all has been good for over two seasons. Spec?s quality of components and customer service have been great for us. Their turn around time is also very impressive. We got our most recent clutch disc within 3 days of ordering and it was custom made for us. Best wishes to all in finding a solution that they are happy with. We certainly found ours and it has made our lives easier. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone Interesting. My setup is from clutchnet, but "responsive" is not the term I'd have used. Knowledgeable, yes. I was happy with the product but not the service. Maybe it was just that one transaction though. - Tony Drews On 7/12/2018 2:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: I?ve recently dealt with California Clutch, aka Clutchnet. Very knowledgeable. They made a custom clutch disc for me and uprated my stock TR6 pressure plate. Very responsive. Californiaclutch.com ?+1 (626) 448-7432? Phil Gott TR4A Sent from my iPhone I purchased mine from Richard Good. I don't have close ratios, so it's the standard TR6 spline. I would guess he can get them in the other spline count also. Jason I have not - where do I source? Scott, Have you tried the AP racing clutch disc (stock size)? Very smooth engagement, claimed increase in torque capacity over stock disc. Jason I?ve apparently reached beyond the limits of a stock pressure plate and a traditional/organic material clutch disc. I was getting unacceptable clutch slip at the Kastner Cup initially on the 3-4 and then on the 2-3 shifts, to the point I could not apply full power. It?s not oil, just heat and power, as the clutch disc has only a few events on it. I?ve got over 180 hp at the crankshaft. What sources have you all found for uprated components? I?m willing to change flywheels. Should I consider a small diameter, solid center/multi-disc racing clutch? 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URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jul 14 13:42:33 2018 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 13:42:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <20180711004955.ED31C25891A0@autox.team.net> I use KFP 5076 gold magnum pads, they have a 3 stamped on the back. I bought a set for my TR6 originally but ended using them on GT6 calipers that I have on my race Spitfire. The first set fit perfect but the newest set required a touch of the drill to move freely on the pins. That seems to be a common occurrence lately with quite a few pads. Wonder why. Bud Sent from my Commodore 64 > On Jul 10, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > > Also try KFP magnum pads. > Pauric inc. Canton Ohio > 330-453-9757 > From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Sent: ?7/?10/?2018 4:41 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > Hello Friends, > > I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. > > > > What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. > > > > The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. > > > > This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads. This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. > > > > The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082". The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050". That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot. > > The plates have too much clearance. I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal. One set of pads have only .005" clearance. > > > > Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. > > > > I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues. I bought the two sets at the same time last August. > > > > What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. > > > > All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks. The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material. Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot. > > > > It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Dave H. > > 831-234-4928 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Sat Jul 14 15:13:30 2018 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:13:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 References: <1990959257.3729451.1531451105447.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1990959257.3729451.1531451105447@mail.yahoo.com> Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available since Herman?s passing? Dusty Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > > My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive or 5th gear...what's the best conversion? > > Bobby Whitehead > Jester's Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Jul 14 17:31:16 2018 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:31:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update Bud, that's because the pads are made for another application. They just happen to fit our cars. Ted Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid On Jul 14, 2018 3:42 PM, Bud Rolofson via Fot wrote: > > I use KFP 5076 gold magnum pads, they have a 3 stamped on the back. I bought a set for my TR6 originally but ended using them on GT6 calipers that I have on my race Spitfire. The first set fit perfect but the newest set required a touch of the drill to move freely on the pins. That seems to be a common occurrence lately with quite a few pads. Wonder why. > > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > On Jul 10, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > > Also try KFP magnum pads. > Pauric inc. Canton Ohio > 330-453-9757 > ________________________________ > From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Sent: ?7/?10/?2018 4:41 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > Hello Friends, > > I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that I have discovered on my TR3. > > ? > > What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were causing the problem. > > ? > > The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on hand.? Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. > > ?? > > This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in the pads.? This also caused the rotor to contact the caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. > > ?? > > The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than 3.082".? The Carbotech plates have an out of square measurement of 3.030-3.050".? That's as much as .065" clearance in the caliper slot.?? > > The plates have too much clearance.? I found that a maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance is more normal.? One set of pads have only .005" clearance.? > > ? > > Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more stress on the caliper piston. > > > I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along with a brand set that have the same production issues.? I bought the two sets at the same time last August.?? > > > What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or grinding marks...ever. > > > All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding or grinding marks.? The previously shaped friction pads are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing plate is revealed around the friction material.? Only the backing plate makes contact with the caliper slot.?? > > > It looks like I have to find another race pad supplier.?? > > > Thoughts? > > > Dave H. > > 831-234-4928 > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Sat Jul 14 18:03:47 2018 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:03:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing gear for sale I have listed the following on eBay. Would love to sell as a set. Have an offer on the helmet that I will accept tomorrow. 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Ronnie From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 02:39:59 2018 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:39:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Accusump Installation References: Hi, I prefer keeping things as simple as possible. I have just a good setup standard oil pump, a good filter, an oil radiator and that?s it. Keeping it as simple as possible keeps things going and is giving the most fun. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 03:57 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Accusump Installation Hello Amici, Congrats to all participants in this year's Kastner Cup. Us West Coaster's are looking forward to the Buttonwillow event in 2019. In fact, it has been my soul motivation to bring my Spitfire back to life after a 43 year snooze... I have noted Accusump installations on the majority of our LBC race cars. I am looking at installing one but don't quite understand the installation. 1, 2 or 3 quart for my 1300 cc Spitfire? Manual or electric valve installation? The cylinder will be sitting right next to me on the passenger side of the car. Which side of my oil filter head supplies the oil cooler? Nearest the firewall or nearest the radiator? Pics and advice greatly appreciated. I only have 10 months left to get the car ready! Cheers, Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jul 16 05:30:53 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 07:30:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cams References: <617A237F-580F-48AA-B3A0-B0B857E19254@cox.net> Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. Ronnie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jul 16 05:37:30 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 07:37:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Accusump Installation The accusump is one of the best things that you can have in the car. A- No dry starts, an engine suffers the most normal wear during dry starts. B- No more gulping air in left hand corners. The arguments against them are usually due to incorrect charging or hookup, often no check valve is fitted. They are 100% reliable and they are rebuildable. I use 3 quart, I prefer manual valve (yes KISS). Just my opinion but I fit one in every car I build... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot To: fot at autox. team. net Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 4:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Accusump Installation Hi, I prefer keeping things as simple as possible. I have just a good setup standard oil pump, a good filter, an oil radiator and that?s it. Keeping it as simple as possible keeps things going and is giving the most fun. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 03:57 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Accusump Installation Hello Amici, Congrats to all participants in this year's Kastner Cup. Us West Coaster's are looking forward to the Buttonwillow event in 2019. In fact, it has been my soul motivation to bring my Spitfire back to life after a 43 year snooze... I have noted Accusump installations on the majority of our LBC race cars. I am looking at installing one but don't quite understand the installation. 1, 2 or 3 quart for my 1300 cc Spitfire? Manual or electric valve installation? The cylinder will be sitting right next to me on the passenger side of the car. Which side of my oil filter head supplies the oil cooler? Nearest the firewall or nearest the radiator? Pics and advice greatly appreciated. I only have 10 months left to get the car ready! Cheers, Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 07:42:13 2018 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:42:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Accusump Installation References: <000401d41ce0$95c95a00$c15c0e00$@gmail.com> <164a2e195b1-c8f-4dbb@webjas-vac153.srv.aolmail.net> I rebuild my engine after 2 or 3 years of racing. Wear was never a problem and a good baffling of the sump seems to work fine enough. So I?m always happy with almost no parts in my car. Just wheels and an engine :) Cheers Chris Von: fubog1 Gesendet: Montag, 16. Juli 2018 13:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Accusump Installation The accusump is one of the best things that you can have in the car. A- No dry starts, an engine suffers the most normal wear during dry starts. B- No more gulping air in left hand corners. The arguments against them are usually due to incorrect charging or hookup, often no check valve is fitted. They are 100% reliable and they are rebuildable. I use 3 quart, I prefer manual valve (yes KISS). Just my opinion but I fit one in every car I build... Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 4:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Accusump Installation Hi, I prefer keeping things as simple as possible. I have just a good setup standard oil pump, a good filter, an oil radiator and that?s it. Keeping it as simple as possible keeps things going and is giving the most fun. Cheers Chris Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 03:57 Betreff: [Fot] Accusump Installation Hello Amici, Congrats to all participants in this year's Kastner Cup. Us West Coaster's are looking forward to the Buttonwillow event in 2019. In fact, it has been my soul motivation to bring my Spitfire back to life after a 43 year snooze... I have noted Accusump installations on the majority of our LBC race cars. I am looking at installing one but don't quite understand the installation. 1, 2 or 3 quart for my 1300 cc Spitfire? Manual or electric valve installation? The cylinder will be sitting right next to me on the passenger side of the car. Which side of my oil filter head supplies the oil cooler? Nearest the firewall or nearest the radiator? Pics and advice greatly appreciated. I only have 10 months left to get the car ready! Cheers, Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 16 07:45:46 2018 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:45:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cams References: <617A237F-580F-48AA-B3A0-B0B857E19254@cox.net> What a great question. I have a sizeable collection of Spitfire cams, none of which are going to do me any good in my GT6 racer. Would love to pass them along to others, if there is any life left in them. Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of rbtr3a--- via Fot Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 5:20 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. Ronnie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 06:02:12 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:02:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cams References: <617A237F-580F-48AA-B3A0-B0B857E19254@cox.net> You might find these photos helpful. They apply to the camshaft used in the Buick/Pontiac/Rover V8. http://www.v8wizard.com/PHOTO_GALLERY/CamShaft_wear.php Duncan (Texas) > On Jul 15, 2018, at 6:19 PM, rbtr3a--- via Fot wrote: > > How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. > > Ronnie > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jul 16 08:33:01 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Accusump Installation Chris whatever works and I do share your concept of KISS. There are plenty of cars running fine without them, they aren't a prerequisite. A well designed baffle system will eliminate most problems, but I see the accusump worth it for the pre-oiling aspect alone. I also understand that most of our cars are running on treaded tires, but for anyone running on slicks, even with a good baffling system, it's likely gonna still gulp a little air when you lean on it hard in the left-handers. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'fubog1' ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 9:42 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Accusump Installation I rebuild my engine after 2 or 3 years of racing. Wear was never a problem and a good baffling of the sump seems to work fine enough. So I?m always happy with almost no parts in my car. Just wheels and an engine J Cheers Chris Von: fubog1 Gesendet: Montag, 16. Juli 2018 13:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Accusump Installation The accusump is one of the best things that you can have in the car. A- No dry starts, an engine suffers the most normal wear during dry starts. B- No more gulping air in left hand corners. The arguments against them are usually due to incorrect charging or hookup, often no check valve is fitted. They are 100% reliable and they are rebuildable. I use 3 quart, I prefer manual valve (yes KISS). Just my opinion but I fit one in every car I build... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot To: fot at autox. team. net Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 4:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Accusump Installation Hi, I prefer keeping things as simple as possible. I have just a good setup standard oil pump, a good filter, an oil radiator and that?s it. Keeping it as simple as possible keeps things going and is giving the most fun. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 03:57 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Accusump Installation Hello Amici, Congrats to all participants in this year's Kastner Cup. Us West Coaster's are looking forward to the Buttonwillow event in 2019. In fact, it has been my soul motivation to bring my Spitfire back to life after a 43 year snooze... I have noted Accusump installations on the majority of our LBC race cars. I am looking at installing one but don't quite understand the installation. 1, 2 or 3 quart for my 1300 cc Spitfire? Manual or electric valve installation? The cylinder will be sitting right next to me on the passenger side of the car. Which side of my oil filter head supplies the oil cooler? Nearest the firewall or nearest the radiator? Pics and advice greatly appreciated. I only have 10 months left to get the car ready! Cheers, Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 16 10:55:32 2018 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:55:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominations I believe I have added all the recent nominations, at least the ones with an email address included. Bummed I didn't get to attend the race this year, sounded like a pretty good event. mjb. From bill at ponostyle.com Mon Jul 16 19:51:51 2018 From: bill at ponostyle.com (Bill@ponostyle.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:51:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Accusump Installation References: <164a2e195b1-c8f-4dbb@webjas-vac153.srv.aolmail.net> Yup. Poor boys dry sump. I plumb them straight to the oil gallery, manual valve, no check valve. Is you set your oil level to slightly over full with the accusump empty you have less windage with constant pressure plus all the other benefits. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2018, at 4:37 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > The accusump is one of the best things that you can have in the car. > A- No dry starts, an engine suffers the most normal wear during dry starts. > B- No more gulping air in left hand corners. > > The arguments against them are usually due to incorrect charging or hookup, often no check valve is fitted. > > They are 100% reliable and they are rebuildable. > > I use 3 quart, I prefer manual valve (yes KISS). > > Just my opinion but I fit one in every car I build... > > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 4:59 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Accusump Installation > > Hi, > > I prefer keeping things as simple as possible. > I have just a good setup standard oil pump, a good filter, an oil radiator and that?s it. > Keeping it as simple as possible keeps things going and is giving the most fun. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 03:57 > An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Accusump Installation > > Hello Amici, > > Congrats to all participants in this year's Kastner Cup. Us West Coaster's are looking forward to the Buttonwillow event in 2019. In fact, it has been my soul motivation to bring my Spitfire back to life after a 43 year snooze... > > I have noted Accusump installations on the majority of our LBC race cars. I am looking at installing one but don't quite understand the installation. > > 1, 2 or 3 quart for my 1300 cc Spitfire? > > Manual or electric valve installation? The cylinder will be sitting right next to me on the passenger side of the car. > > Which side of my oil filter head supplies the oil cooler? Nearest the firewall or nearest the radiator? > > Pics and advice greatly appreciated. I only have 10 months left to get the car ready! > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jul 17 11:05:14 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:05:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cams Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. Ronnie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timmmurphh at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 11:06:50 2018 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:06:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cams References: <164a933f9d4-c90-1708e@webjas-vae195.srv.aolmail.net> Thanks for your input on that, Glen. Very helpful and useful advice. Tim From: fubog1 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:05 PM To: timmmurphh at gmail.com; rbtr3a at cox.net Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. Ronnie _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jul 17 11:39:50 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cams My pleasure, glad to contribute any of the mostly-worthless knowledge I've accumulated from nearly a half-century of screwing around with TRs... Glen -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 1:07 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams Thanks for your input on that, Glen. Very helpful and useful advice. Tim From: fubog1 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:05 PM To: timmmurphh at gmail.com; rbtr3a at cox.net Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. Ronnie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jul 17 20:41:01 2018 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 19:41:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cams References: <164a933f9d4-c90-1708e@webjas-vae195.srv.aolmail.net> <00a001d41df0$935206d0$b9f61470$@gmail.com> Yes Glen, thanks. Keep your tips, advice and suggestions coming. Thumbs up, DH Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2018, at 10:06 AM, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: > > Thanks for your input on that, Glen. Very helpful and useful advice. > > Tim > > From: fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:05 PM > To: timmmurphh at gmail.com; rbtr3a at cox.net > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams > > Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. > I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! > That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. > Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. > Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. > > Glen. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: timmmurphh > To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a > Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams > > By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. > > I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. > > Tim Murphy > #317 TR4 > > From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM > To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams > > Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. > You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. > Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... > > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rbtr3a--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm > Subject: [Fot] Cams > > How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. 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Needs to be complete and solid. I can handle some mechanical or cosmetic items, but I don't need another project and certainly no body work. Not looking for a show car but maybe a 5 to 10 footer? I'm located in Michigan but am always up for a road trip. Let me know what you got, some history, pics and location. Thanks Chris Crisenbery? Spitracer1296 at yahoo.com? Cell/text 517-206-8622 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 05:27:17 2018 From: bschirano at yahoo.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] WTB TR6 for the street References: <20180718042547.7E87C25880FC@autox.team.net> There are two I just saw last night on BAT The best vintage and classic cars for sale online | Bring a Trailer Buyer be ware of course Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell? 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Lol I?ve got a barn full of projects and no time or room for more or I would go see it for myself Cheers Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > There are two I just saw last night on BAT > > The best vintage and classic cars for sale online | Bring a Trailer > > Buyer be ware of course > > Brian > > 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 Cell > BSchirano at yahoo.com > > > On Wednesday, July 18, 2018, 12:26:14 AM EDT, spitracer1296 via Fot wrote: > > > > > I'm looking for a driver quality Triumph TR6 (non-racing) budget up to $12,500. Needs to be complete and solid. I can handle some mechanical or cosmetic items, but I don't need another project and certainly no body work. Not looking for a show car but maybe a 5 to 10 footer? > > I'm located in Michigan but am always up for a road trip. 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I have a couple of pages on my website and an Excel spreadsheet you can download. I have been told the spreadsheet is a little confusing because with the typical degree wheel the scales go backwards and forwards (BTDC, ATDC, etc.). You can check it out at http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_DegreeCam.html. I hope it helps. ?- Larry On 7/17/2018 12:05 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing > blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at > 5 cam degrees, works fine. > I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! > That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full > specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. > Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple > lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial > indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. > Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there > can be exceptions. > > Glen. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: timmmurphh > To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a > Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams > > By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 > camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is > possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. > I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe > comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. > Tim Murphy > #317 TR4 > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM > *To:* rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Cams > Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but > the wear isn't always so obvious. > You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn > lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". > It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. > Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be > problems, there are... > Glen > -----Original Message----- > From: rbtr3a--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm > Subject: [Fot] Cams > > How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. 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URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jul 18 21:51:31 2018 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:51:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update References: <1496073395.378283.1531254099121@connect.xfinity.com> <000001d4191c$23b6fac0$6b24f040$@gmail.com> <002101d4192b$ccfd2fa0$66f78ee0$@gmail.com> <5D3076785B8A61C5.41E5DF95-760C-4BB7-9248-CEC5A8426678@mail.outlook.com> <8E56E6CE-D9CC-46E5-A2C2-96E5166BE1E7@mhc-law.com> <5D3076785B8A61C5.D479DDDF-875A-4D7E-BFCE-999DCDA5B50B@mail.outlook.com> <9qLS1y03f16aDmg01qLTHN> I'm surprised no one has mentioned the old clamshell TR3 rotors have pads with significantly larger area. I kept the old calipers for that reason. Newer isn't always better. ?- Larry On 7/12/2018 8:56 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > I was wondering about exactly this.? The 6 rotor is 10.5? and the 3 > rotor is 11? > > > > *John H. Hasty* > > /Attorney at Law/ > > *Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.* > > 301 S. 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We are a debt relief agency. We help people file for > bankruptcy relief under the federal Bankruptcy Code. > > *From:* Ashley Page [mailto:apage at prosystembrakes.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:35 PM > *To:* John H. Hasty > *Cc:* timmmurphh at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] FW: brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > As far as braking effect it?s simple math. Assuming the master > cylinder, pad compound and rotors ?are not changed then the calipers > with the largest dia pistons will, for a given pedal effort, generate > more clamping force. If you care to to go to extremes then you would > also factor in the distance from the axle center to the CG of the pad > friction which is the ?friction radius? - but that?s picking the fly > poop out of the pepper for what you are doing. > > Other considerations: > > Assuming the TR6 caliper will bolt up to the TR3 knuckle, you would > need to make sure the rotor path through the caliper would accept the > bigger rotor- likely would but should be checked. At some point a > rotor with larger dia than the caliper is designed for will touch the > rotor path at the ends of the caliper (to small of rotor will touch in > the path next to the pad opening). In both those extremes the pads > typically won?t fit either. > > Another issue to check is rotor thickness. If the TR3 rotor is thinner > then make sure as the pads wear that a caliper piston can?t come out > of the caliper. > > Also check the pad to make sure it?s annulus is not larger than the > TR3 rotor. You don?t want overhang or under hang of friction material. > Also you want the friction to cover the rotor with very little unused > swept area of rotor ID or OD. To much unused iron can be a problem also. > > Get Outlook for iOS > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:23 PM -0400, "John H. Hasty" > > What is the effect of using TR6 calipers designed for use on 10.75 > rotors on TR3 11? rotors ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Ashley Page via Fot > > As Glenn pointed out ID to OD taper happens with some pads. > > Can also be a sign of loose wheel bearings. > > But probably as he describes due to higher rubbing speed on OD. > > You can easily taper cut the pads with a 4? diamond masonry > blade from just about any hardware or Lowe?s. You can do it > with any number of ways even a hacksaw but anything but > diamond will wear quickly > > Get Outlook for iOS > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM -0400, "timmmurphh--- via Fot" > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:36 AM > *To:* 'DAVE HOGYE' *Subject:* RE: [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > Thanks for this report.? We have had some issues with the > Carbotech pads on our TR4 at Blackhawk and the Kcup.? We > use the CT2-XP10 compound.? I will check our pad to > caliper slot clearance.? Does anyone know offhand of the > slot on the 16P calipers on our TR4 is the same as the TR3 > at 3.095?? > > Tim Murphy > > #317 TR4 > > *From:* Fot HOGYE via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:22 PM > *To:* Friends of Triumph *Subject:* [Fot] brake pad and rotor discovery and update > > Hello Friends, > > I have been finding out quite a bit about the unusual and > developing front brake pad, rotor and caliper issues that > I have discovered on my TR3. > > What I found was that the Carbotech CT-57 pads were > causing the problem. > > The supporting or backing plates of the pads had been > ground down at Carbotech, far under the normal plate width > that I measured in 4 other production pads that I have on > hand. Besides that, they were not ground down squarely. > > This allowed the piston to take tremendous side load under > braking causing the uneven and diagonal wear pattern in > the pads.? This also caused the rotor to contact the > caliper as the pads took on heavy uneven wear. > > The slot in the TR6 caliper is 3.095" and the four > non-Carbotech pads sets have a plate width of no less than > 3.082".? The Carbotech plates have an out of square > measurement of 3.030-3.050".? That's as much as .065" > clearance in the caliper slot. > > The plates have too much clearance.? I found that a > maximum of .010" backing plate to caliper slot clearance > is more normal.? One set of pads have only .005" clearance. > > Furthermore, the corners of the Carbotech plates and pads > were ground down far enough that the lower end of the pads > hardly made contact with the caliper slot allowing more > stress on the caliper piston. > > I have been going back and forth with Carbotech on this > matter and I will be sending back the badly worn set along > with a brand set that have the same production issues.? I > bought the two sets at the same time last August. > > What I found is that any backing plates that show evidence > of sanding or grinding marks should be measured for proper > clearance, but that really, there should be no sanding or > grinding marks...ever. > > All of the other pads I have show no evidence of sanding > or grinding marks.? The previously shaped friction pads > are cleanly attached to the backing plates and the backing > plate is revealed around the friction material.? 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URL: From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu Jul 19 05:32:01 2018 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 References: <1990959257.3729451.1531451105447.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1990959257.3729451.1531451105447@mail.yahoo.com> <8aed2dbf-ba35-a213-6ce5-21b9c650760e@pobox.com> Couldn't agree more. Go with the A or J type. Ed Woods > On July 18, 2018 at 11:56 PM Larry Young via Fot wrote: > > I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to like? Keep the wife definitely. > - Larry > > On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: > > > > Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available since Herman?s passing? > > > > Dusty > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... 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URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Thu Jul 19 06:41:09 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:41:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 Yeah I try to stay out of these gearbox discussions but a TR box with OD is the way to go. For a street car, a J is fine, and it transforms the car. Glen -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD WOODS via Fot To: Larry Young ; Larry Young via Fot Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 7:53 am Subject: Re: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 Couldn't agree more. Go with the A or J type. Ed Woods On July 18, 2018 at 11:56 PM Larry Young via Fot wrote: I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to like? Keep the wife definitely. - Larry On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available since Herman?s passing? Dusty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive or 5th gear...what's the best conversion? 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URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Jul 19 06:43:47 2018 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:43:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 References: <1990959257.3729451.1531451105447.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1990959257.3729451.1531451105447@mail.yahoo.com> <8aed2dbf-ba35-a213-6ce5-21b9c650760e@pobox.com> I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also from New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great, shifts smoothly, and? (so far!) reliable. Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a wrecking yard looked them? up yesterday: around $550. No, they are not for sale! I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone is interested, I could look it up. Cheers, Bill On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: > I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier to > shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to > like? Keep the wife definitely. > ?- Larry > > On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: >> Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available >> since Herman?s passing? >> >> Dusty >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot >> >>> My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned >>> for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive >>> or 5th gear...what's the best conversion? >>> >>> Bobby Whitehead >>> Jester's Racing >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jul 19 09:59:23 2018 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 10:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 References: <1990959257.3729451.1531451105447.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1990959257.3729451.1531451105447@mail.yahoo.com> <8aed2dbf-ba35-a213-6ce5-21b9c650760e@pobox.com> Yeah, Glen is right. I should have shut up. I did a cost comparison a few years ago. Someone was making a Ford 5 speed conversion also. The cost was more or less the same, but of course, it depends on how much you are going to do yourself. I have heard the Toyota boxes are getting scarce also ($550 seems like a lot). Quantum Mechanics does (or did) a turnkey A or J type overdrive. He has everything you need to convert a Volvo J-type to any of the TR series. I've helped a couple of guys do this conversion. Volvo's from the 80's are relatively unloved, so a couple years ago I could find the Volvo J-types on Ebay for $150. Of course, buying the Volvo overdrive or a Toyota 5 speed is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want a turnkey deal that you install, you're probably looking at $2500 - $3000 regardless of the route you go. If you do everything yourself, you can probably get by for half that. I've had my TR250 from new and didn't have an overdrive until 5 years ago. I did a 7,000 mile road trip in it a couple of years ago and found all 7 speeds to be useful. Even 2nd OD was nice when stuck behind an RV going up a mountain pass. Like I said, I should have kept quiet, but my point is that I think you will find the cost similar regardless of the direction you go. It really boils down to what you prefer. ?- Larry On 7/19/2018 7:43 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also from > New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great, shifts > smoothly, and? (so far!) reliable. > > Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare > transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a > wrecking yard looked them? up yesterday: around $550. No, they are not > for sale! > > I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone is > interested, I could look it up. > > Cheers, Bill > > > On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: >> I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier >> to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to >> like? Keep the wife definitely. >> ?- Larry >> >> On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: >>> Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available >>> since Herman?s passing? >>> >>> Dusty >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot >>> >>>> My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned >>>> for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive >>>> or 5th gear...what's the best conversion? >>>> >>>> Bobby Whitehead >>>> Jester's Racing >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Thu Jul 19 12:48:56 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:48:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 more... In all fairness to the conversion advocates, in spite of the benefit of both intermediate gearing & the extra top gear with the O/D unit, there are some downsides to the O/D. First, it's getting hard to find good units, a lot of what I run into is junk. These have been in high demand since forever, I've bought many junk TRs just for the overdrives. As Larry pointed out, there are alternatives, ie Volvo, but then you have to mod it to suit. Unless you find a guaranteed plug-and-play TR box & O/D assembly, you'll most likely be having to go through the gearbox as well, and certainly if you're converting a standard gearbox to overdrive cuz' the mainshaft is different. That leads to another problem, parts availability for overdrive parts is a bit limited, especially some of the early A-type stuff, and as is normal these days, quality is always a big concern. Then if you have a rebuildable unit, and all of the parts, it has to be properly rebuilt, by the book. It's a fairly labor-intensive job and requires some degree of mechanical finesse. If you have to pay someone to do the entire job, the cost could easily get up there to the point where a conversion gets more attractive. There are also a few other negatives, the TR box & O/D unit may weigh more than some alternative units, there is some very slight power loss with the O/D, and some replacements may have better ratios available. Having said (typed) this, for a street car, a later TR-6 box, with the 17 tooth laygear, better 1st ratio & much-improved 2nd mainshaft gear, with a J-type on the back of it is hard to improve on. For racing, late 6 box with a set of close ratio gears & a "big piston" A-type works well. I see both side of the argument but personally I like the TRs as TRs, iff'n in doesn't say Stanpart on it, I'm not interested (grin). Glen -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young via Fot To: fot Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 Yeah, Glen is right. I should have shut up. I did a cost comparison a few years ago. Someone was making a Ford 5 speed conversion also. The cost was more or less the same, but of course, it depends on how much you are going to do yourself. I have heard the Toyota boxes are getting scarce also ($550 seems like a lot). Quantum Mechanics does (or did) a turnkey A or J type overdrive. He has everything you need to convert a Volvo J-type to any of the TR series. I've helped a couple of guys do this conversion. Volvo's from the 80's are relatively unloved, so a couple years ago I could find the Volvo J-types on Ebay for $150. Of course, buying the Volvo overdrive or a Toyota 5 speed is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want a turnkey deal that you install, you're probably looking at $2500 - $3000 regardless of the route you go. If you do everything yourself, you can probably get by for half that. I've had my TR250 from new and didn't have an overdrive until 5 years ago. I did a 7,000 mile road trip in it a couple of years ago and found all 7 speeds to be useful. Even 2nd OD was nice when stuck behind an RV going up a mountain pass. Like I said, I should have kept quiet, but my point is that I think you will find the cost similar regardless of the direction you go. It really boils down to what you prefer. - Larry On 7/19/2018 7:43 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also from New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great, shifts smoothly, and (so far!) reliable. Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a wrecking yard looked them up yesterday: around $550. No, they are not for sale! I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone is interested, I could look it up. Cheers, Bill On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to like? Keep the wife definitely. - Larry On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available since Herman?s passing? Dusty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive or 5th gear...what's the best conversion? 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 15:57:00 2018 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 21:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 more... References: <42ff946f-80c0-5092-955a-9f5d6f26f6e3@pobox.com> <164b3dfa5f3-c92-cf76@webjas-vac220.srv.aolmail.net> Hi Glen.? I agree with most of your comments.? I raced a TR-4 in SCCA for 24 years, and used both close ratio, and stock ratio gearboxes with, and without overdrive.? I always used the later housings (TR-4A - TR-6) and the "A" Type overdrive, and I did all my own maintenance.? Early in my career, I always thought a straight 4 speed (without overdrive) would be more efficient for racing, due to less parasitic losses.? When close ratio gears became legal (about 1980), I thought this would be a big improvement over the overdrive option.? I had all 6 gear sets set up for my IRS car, so I could gear to use either transmission option at all the tracks I raced at. However, after years of experimenting at Road Atlanta, during The Runoffs, I concluded that using a close ratio overdrive gearbox with the 4.3 rear end gear was about 1 second per lap faster than using a straight 4 speed with the 3.7 rear end gear.? The 4.3 rear gear gave me a more usable second gear for some tight turns (like turn 7 at Atlanta) than the 3.7 rear gear.? I also tried the 4.1 rear gear with the straight 4 Speed, but the overdrive option was still faster. I did less research at other tracks, but long tracks with tight turns (like Road America) would certainly favor the overdrive option.? There may not be as much difference on short, tighter tracks.? But, numbers don't lie, and a second a lap was worth it to me, to learn about building and maintaining overdrives, with high pump pressure for quicker shifting.? And, I found them to be very reliable mechanically.? The only problems I ever had were electrical. Take it for what it's worth, but that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! Jack On Thursday, July 19, 2018, 5:30:21 PM EDT, fubog1 via Fot wrote: In all fairness to the conversion advocates, in spite of the benefit of both intermediate gearing & the extra top gear with the O/D unit, there are some downsides to the O/D.First, it's getting hard to find good units, a lot of what I run into is junk. These have been in high demand since forever, I've bought many junk TRs just for the overdrives.As Larry pointed out, there are alternatives, ie Volvo, but then you have to mod it to suit.Unless you find a guaranteed plug-and-play TR box & O/D assembly, you'll most likely be having to go through the gearbox as well, and certainly if you're converting a standard gearbox to overdrive cuz' the mainshaft is different.That leads to another problem, parts availability for overdrive parts is a bit limited, especially some of the early A-type stuff, and as is normal these days, quality is always a big concern.Then if you have a rebuildable unit, and all of the parts, it has to be properly rebuilt, by the book.It's a fairly labor-intensive job and requires some degree of mechanical finesse. If you have to pay someone to do the entire job, the cost could easily get up there to the point where a conversion gets more attractive. There are also a few other negatives, the TR box & O/D unit may weigh more than some alternative units, there is some very slight power loss with the O/D, and some replacements may have better ratios available. Having said (typed) this, for a street car, a later TR-6 box, with the 17 tooth laygear, better 1st ratio & much-improved 2nd mainshaft gear, with a J-type on the back of it is hard to improve on.For racing, late 6 box with a set of close ratio gears & a "big piston" A-type works well. I see both side of the argument but personally I like the TRs as TRs, iff'n in doesn't say Stanpart on it, I'm not interested (grin). Glen -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young via Fot To: fot Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 Yeah, Glen is right. I should have shut up. I did a cost comparison a few years ago. Someone was making a Ford 5 speed conversion also. The cost was more or less the same, but of course, it depends on how much you are going to do yourself. I have heard the Toyota boxes are getting scarce also ($550 seems like a lot). Quantum Mechanics does (or did) a turnkey A or J type overdrive. He has everything you need to convert a Volvo J-type to any of the TR series. I've helped a couple of guys do this conversion. Volvo's from the 80's are relatively unloved, so a couple years ago I could find the Volvo J-types on Ebay for $150. Of course, buying the Volvo overdrive or a Toyota 5 speed is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want a turnkey deal that you install, you're probably looking at $2500 - $3000 regardless of the route you go. If you do everything yourself, you can probably get by for half that. I've had my TR250 from new and didn't have an overdrive until 5 years ago. I did a 7,000 mile road trip in it a couple of years ago and found all 7 speeds to be useful. Even 2nd OD was nice when stuck behind an RV going up a mountain pass. Like I said, I should have kept quiet, but my point is that I think you will find the cost similar regardless of the direction you go. It really boils down to what you prefer. ?- Larry On 7/19/2018 7:43 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also from New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great, shifts smoothly, and? (so far!) reliable. Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a wrecking yard looked them? up yesterday: around $550. No, they are not for sale! I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone is interested, I could look it up. Cheers, Bill On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to like? Keep the wife definitely. ?- Larry On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available since Herman?s passing? Dusty? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive or 5th gear...what's the best conversion? 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Thu Jul 19 18:59:03 2018 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 19:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 more... References: <42ff946f-80c0-5092-955a-9f5d6f26f6e3@pobox.com> <164b3dfa5f3-c92-cf76@webjas-vac220.srv.aolmail.net> <1229176934.7475844.1532037420166@mail.yahoo.com> Hit send too soon. What pressure did you run on the large piston A type? I?ve got Mine set at 370psi and it shifts nearly instantly on the bench. Wondering if I should add another shim to get closer to 400psi. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:57 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > Hi Glen. I agree with most of your comments. I raced a TR-4 in SCCA for 24 years, and used both close ratio, and stock ratio gearboxes with, and without overdrive. I always used the later housings (TR-4A - TR-6) and the "A" Type overdrive, and I did all my own maintenance. Early in my career, I always thought a straight 4 speed (without overdrive) would be more efficient for racing, due to less parasitic losses. When close ratio gears became legal (about 1980), I thought this would be a big improvement over the overdrive option. I had all 6 gear sets set up for my IRS car, so I could gear to use either transmission option at all the tracks I raced at. > > However, after years of experimenting at Road Atlanta, during The Runoffs, I concluded that using a close ratio overdrive gearbox with the 4.3 rear end gear was about 1 second per lap faster than using a straight 4 speed with the 3.7 rear end gear. The 4.3 rear gear gave me a more usable second gear for some tight turns (like turn 7 at Atlanta) than the 3.7 rear gear. I also tried the 4.1 rear gear with the straight 4 Speed, but the overdrive option was still faster. > > I did less research at other tracks, but long tracks with tight turns (like Road America) would certainly favor the overdrive option. There may not be as much difference on short, tighter tracks. But, numbers don't lie, and a second a lap was worth it to me, to learn about building and maintaining overdrives, with high pump pressure for quicker shifting. And, I found them to be very reliable mechanically. The only problems I ever had were electrical. > > Take it for what it's worth, but that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! > > Jack > > On Thursday, July 19, 2018, 5:30:21 PM EDT, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > > In all fairness to the conversion advocates, in spite of the benefit of both intermediate gearing & the extra top gear with the O/D unit, there are some downsides to the O/D. > First, it's getting hard to find good units, a lot of what I run into is junk. These have been in high demand since forever, I've bought many junk TRs just for the overdrives. > As Larry pointed out, there are alternatives, ie Volvo, but then you have to mod it to suit. > Unless you find a guaranteed plug-and-play TR box & O/D assembly, you'll most likely be having to go through the gearbox as well, and certainly if you're converting a standard gearbox to overdrive cuz' the mainshaft is different. > That leads to another problem, parts availability for overdrive parts is a bit limited, especially some of the early A-type stuff, and as is normal these days, quality is always a big concern. > Then if you have a rebuildable unit, and all of the parts, it has to be properly rebuilt, by the book. > It's a fairly labor-intensive job and requires some degree of mechanical finesse. > > If you have to pay someone to do the entire job, the cost could easily get up there to the point where a conversion gets more attractive. > > There are also a few other negatives, the TR box & O/D unit may weigh more than some alternative units, there is some very slight power loss with the O/D, and some replacements may have better ratios available. > > Having said (typed) this, for a street car, a later TR-6 box, with the 17 tooth laygear, better 1st ratio & much-improved 2nd mainshaft gear, with a J-type on the back of it is hard to improve on. > For racing, late 6 box with a set of close ratio gears & a "big piston" A-type works well. > > I see both side of the argument but personally I like the TRs as TRs, iff'n in doesn't say Stanpart on it, I'm not interested (grin). > > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Young via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 12:32 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 > > Yeah, Glen is right. I should have shut up. I did a cost comparison a few years ago. Someone was making a Ford 5 speed conversion also. The cost was more or less the same, but of course, it depends on how much you are going to do yourself. I have heard the Toyota boxes are getting scarce also ($550 seems like a lot). Quantum Mechanics does (or did) a turnkey A or J type overdrive. He has everything you need to convert a Volvo J-type to any of the TR series. I've helped a couple of guys do this conversion. Volvo's from the 80's are relatively unloved, so a couple years ago I could find the Volvo J-types on Ebay for $150. Of course, buying the Volvo overdrive or a Toyota 5 speed is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want a turnkey deal that you install, you're probably looking at $2500 - $3000 regardless of the route you go. If you do everything yourself, you can probably get by for half that. > > I've had my TR250 from new and didn't have an overdrive until 5 years ago. I did a 7,000 mile road trip in it a couple of years ago and found all 7 speeds to be useful. Even 2nd OD was nice when stuck behind an RV going up a mountain pass. > > Like I said, I should have kept quiet, but my point is that I think you will find the cost similar regardless of the direction you go. It really boils down to what you prefer. > - Larry > > On 7/19/2018 7:43 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also from New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great, shifts smoothly, and (so far!) reliable. > Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a wrecking yard looked them up yesterday: around $550. No, they are not for sale! > I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone is interested, I could look it up. > Cheers, Bill > > On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: > I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to like? Keep the wife definitely. > - Larry > > On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: > Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available since Herman?s passing? > > Dusty > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > > My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive or 5th gear...what's the best conversion? > > Bobby Whitehead > Jester's Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jul 19 19:14:15 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 21:14:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 more... References: <1229176934.7475844.1532037420166@mail.yahoo.com> Jack... Mike Belfer shared your feelings that an overdrive offered an early chance for parasitic loss. He said it would probably be the first thing to let go. But they were sure sweet when they were working. Don Brick, in our tent, always ran one...and kept it working too. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, July 19, 2018, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: Hi Glen. I agree with most of your comments. I raced a TR-4 in SCCA for 24 years, and used both close ratio, and stock ratio gearboxes with, and without overdrive. I always used the later housings (TR-4A - TR-6) and the "A" Type overdrive, and I did all my own maintenance. Early in my career, I always thought a straight 4 speed (without overdrive) would be more efficient for racing, due to less parasitic losses. When close ratio gears became legal (about 1980), I thought this would be a big improvement over the overdrive option. I had all 6 gear sets set up for my IRS car, so I could gear to use either transmission option at all the tracks I raced at. However, after years of experimenting at Road Atlanta, during The Runoffs, I concluded that using a close ratio overdrive gearbox with the 4.3 rear end gear was about 1 second per lap faster than using a straight 4 speed with the 3.7 rear end gear. The 4.3 rear gear gave me a more usable second gear for some tight turns (like turn 7 at Atlanta) than the 3.7 rear gear. I also tried the 4.1 rear gear with the straight 4 Speed, but the overdrive option was still faster. I did less research at other tracks, but long tracks with tight turns (like Road America) would certainly favor the overdrive option. There may not be as much difference on short, tighter tracks. But, numbers don't lie, and a second a lap was worth it to me, to learn about building and maintaining overdrives, with high pump pressure for quicker shifting. And, I found them to be very reliable mechanically. The only problems I ever had were electrical. Take it for what it's worth, but that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! Jack On Thursday, July 19, 2018, 5:30:21 PM EDT, fubog1 via Fot wrote: In all fairness to the conversion advocates, in spite of the benefit of both intermediate gearing & the extra top gear with the O/D unit, there are some downsides to the O/D. First, it's getting hard to find good units, a lot of what I run into is junk. These have been in high demand since forever, I've bought many junk TRs just for the overdrives. As Larry pointed out, there are alternatives, ie Volvo, but then you have to mod it to suit. Unless you find a guaranteed plug-and-play TR box & O/D assembly, you'll most likely be having to go through the gearbox as well, and certainly if you're converting a standard gearbox to overdrive cuz' the mainshaft is different. That leads to another problem, parts availability for overdrive parts is a bit limited, especially some of the early A-type stuff, and as is normal these days, quality is always a big concern. Then if you have a rebuildable unit, and all of the parts, it has to be properly rebuilt, by the book. It's a fairly labor-intensive job and requires some degree of mechanical finesse. If you have to pay someone to do the entire job, the cost could easily get up there to the point where a conversion gets more attractive. There are also a few other negatives, the TR box & O/D unit may weigh more than some alternative units, there is some very slight power loss with the O/D, and some replacements may have better ratios available. Having said (typed) this, for a street car, a later TR-6 box, with the 17 tooth laygear, better 1st ratio & much-improved 2nd mainshaft gear, with a J-type on the back of it is hard to improve on. For racing, late 6 box with a set of close ratio gears & a "big piston" A-type works well. I see both side of the argument but personally I like the TRs as TRs, iff'n in doesn't say Stanpart on it, I'm not interested (grin). Glen -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young via Fot To: fot Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 Yeah, Glen is right. I should have shut up. I did a cost comparison a few years ago. Someone was making a Ford 5 speed conversion also. The cost was more or less the same, but of course, it depends on how much you are going to do yourself. I have heard the Toyota boxes are getting scarce also ($550 seems like a lot). Quantum Mechanics does (or did) a turnkey A or J type overdrive. He has everything you need to convert a Volvo J-type to any of the TR series. I've helped a couple of guys do this conversion. Volvo's from the 80's are relatively unloved, so a couple years ago I could find the Volvo J-types on Ebay for $150. Of course, buying the Volvo overdrive or a Toyota 5 speed is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want a turnkey deal that you install, you're probably looking at $2500 - $3000 regardless of the route you go. If you do everything yourself, you can probably get by for half that. I've had my TR250 from new and didn't have an overdrive until 5 years ago. I did a 7,000 mile road trip in it a couple of years ago and found all 7 speeds to be useful. Even 2nd OD was nice when stuck behind an RV going up a mountain pass. Like I said, I should have kept quiet, but my point is that I think you will find the cost similar regardless of the direction you go. It really boils down to what you prefer. - Larry On 7/19/2018 7:43 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also from New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great, shifts smoothly, and (so far!) reliable. Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a wrecking yard looked them up yesterday: around $550. No, they are not for sale! I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone is interested, I could look it up. Cheers, Bill On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to like? Keep the wife definitely. - Larry On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available since Herman?s passing? Dusty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive or 5th gear...what's the best conversion? 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URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 20 06:40:33 2018 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 07:40:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 more... References: <42ff946f-80c0-5092-955a-9f5d6f26f6e3@pobox.com> <164b3dfa5f3-c92-cf76@webjas-vac220.srv.aolmail.net> I certainly never got to the level of Jack and haven't played with these cars as much as Glen, but during my brief racing career, I too experimented a lot with gearing. I tried most of the combinations Jack mentioned. My favorite was almost the same - close ratio TR box with overdrive and a 4.55 rear. My choice was partly because my home track, Hallett, is tight, well suited to a 4.55. I had the OD for longer straights. We (my son Tom and I) ended up using the OD a lot more than just the straights. Like someone else said, sometimes you're too busy or it is faster or more convenient to shift the overdrive. I always like to tell the story about the time a throw out bearing went bad and I couldn't shift the tranny, so I ran Hallett using just 3rd and 3rd-OD. I was off my best lap? by only about 1 second. However, there was one other time when we lost overdrive and had to limit our speed on the long straights. A final word I will say. I think a lot of people shy away from an overdrive because of "fear of the unknown". In reality they are simpler than the transmission. Some people want to just buy a unit and bolt it on. Regardless of the route you go, I think you're in for a rebuild. I've never rebuilt a 5 speed, but I've done 3 speeds and 4 speeds. If I extrapolate the differences in complexity, I really don't want to rebuild a 5-speed. ?- Larry On 7/19/2018 4:57 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Hi Glen.? I agree with most of your comments.? I raced a TR-4 in SCCA > for 24 years, and used both close ratio, and stock ratio gearboxes > with, and without overdrive.? I always used the later housings (TR-4A > - TR-6) and the "A" Type overdrive, and I did all my own maintenance.? > Early in my career, I always thought a straight 4 speed (without > overdrive) would be more efficient for racing, due to less parasitic > losses.? When close ratio gears became legal (about 1980), I thought > this would be a big improvement over the overdrive option.? I had all > 6 gear sets set up for my IRS car, so I could gear to use either > transmission option at all the tracks I raced at. > > However, after years of experimenting at Road Atlanta, during The > Runoffs, I concluded that using a close ratio overdrive gearbox with > the 4.3 rear end gear was about 1 second per lap faster than using a > straight 4 speed with the 3.7 rear end gear.? The 4.3 rear gear gave > me a more usable second gear for some tight turns (like turn 7 at > Atlanta) than the 3.7 rear gear.? I also tried the 4.1 rear gear with > the straight 4 Speed, but the overdrive option was still faster. > > I did less research at other tracks, but long tracks with tight turns > (like Road America) would certainly favor the overdrive option.? There > may not be as much difference on short, tighter tracks.? But, numbers > don't lie, and a second a lap was worth it to me, to learn about > building and maintaining overdrives, with high pump pressure for > quicker shifting.? And, I found them to be very reliable > mechanically.? The only problems I ever had were electrical. > > Take it for what it's worth, but that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! > > Jack > > On Thursday, July 19, 2018, 5:30:21 PM EDT, fubog1 via Fot > wrote: > > > In all fairness to the conversion advocates, in spite of the benefit > of both intermediate gearing & the extra top gear with the O/D unit, > there are some downsides to the O/D. > First, it's getting hard to find good units, a lot of what I run into > is junk. These have been in high demand since forever, I've bought > many junk TRs just for the overdrives. > As Larry pointed out, there are alternatives, ie Volvo, but then you > have to mod it to suit. > Unless you find a guaranteed plug-and-play TR box & O/D assembly, > you'll most likely be having to go through the gearbox as well, and > certainly if you're converting a standard gearbox to overdrive cuz' > the mainshaft is different. > That leads to another problem, parts availability for overdrive parts > is a bit limited, especially some of the early A-type stuff, and as is > normal these days, quality is always a big concern. > Then if you have a rebuildable unit, and all of the parts, it has to > be properly rebuilt, by the book. > It's a fairly labor-intensive job and requires some degree of > mechanical finesse. > > If you have to pay someone to do the entire job, the cost could easily > get up there to the point where a conversion gets more attractive. > > There are also a few other negatives, the TR box & O/D unit may weigh > more than some alternative units, there is some very slight power loss > with the O/D, and some replacements may have better ratios available. > > Having said (typed) this, for a street car, a later TR-6 box, with the > 17 tooth laygear, better 1st ratio & much-improved 2nd mainshaft gear, > with a J-type on the back of it is hard to improve on. > For racing, late 6 box with a set of close ratio gears & a "big > piston" A-type works well. > > I see both side of the argument but personally I like the TRs as TRs, > iff'n in doesn't say Stanpart on it, I'm not interested (grin). > > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Young via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 12:32 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 > > Yeah, Glen is right. I should have shut up. I did a cost comparison a > few years ago. Someone was making a Ford 5 speed conversion also. The > cost was more or less the same, but of course, it depends on how much > you are going to do yourself. I have heard the Toyota boxes are > getting scarce also ($550 seems like a lot). Quantum Mechanics does > (or did) a turnkey A or J type overdrive. He has everything you need > to convert a Volvo J-type to any of the TR series. I've helped a > couple of guys do this conversion. Volvo's from the 80's are > relatively unloved, so a couple years ago I could find the Volvo > J-types on Ebay for $150. Of course, buying the Volvo overdrive or a > Toyota 5 speed is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want a turnkey > deal that you install, you're probably looking at $2500 - $3000 > regardless of the route you go. If you do everything yourself, you can > probably get by for half that. > > I've had my TR250 from new and didn't have an overdrive until 5 years > ago. I did a 7,000 mile road trip in it a couple of years ago and > found all 7 speeds to be useful. Even 2nd OD was nice when stuck > behind an RV going up a mountain pass. > > Like I said, I should have kept quiet, but my point is that I think > you will find the cost similar regardless of the direction you go. It > really boils down to what you prefer. > ?- Larry > > On 7/19/2018 7:43 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also > from New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great, > shifts smoothly, and? (so far!) reliable. > Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare > transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a > wrecking yard looked them? up yesterday: around $550. No, they are > not for sale! > I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone is > interested, I could look it up. > Cheers, Bill > > On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: > > I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, > easier to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - > What's not to like? Keep the wife definitely. > ?- Larry > > On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: > > Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still > available since Herman?s passing? > > Dusty > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot > > My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 > we've owned for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we > did I needed an overdrive or 5th gear...what's the > best conversion? > > Bobby Whitehead > Jester's Racing > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 06:56:54 2018 From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:56:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WTB TR6 for the street References: <20180718042547.7E87C25880FC@autox.team.net> <2031458781.114620.1531913237034@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Chris, This is over your budget, but it is in the Detroit area. Sorry to bomb the list. On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 11:09 AM Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: > Check out this one might be worth the drive (3-4 hrs from Detroit) > https://www.torontotriumph.com/html/classifieds-full.shtml > 3rd one down 76 TR6 2500.00$ cdn > That?s about 15 bucks US ??? Right? Lol > I?ve got a barn full of projects and no time or room for more or I would > go see it for myself > Cheers > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: > > There are two I just saw last night on BAT > > The best vintage and classic cars for sale online | Bring a Trailer > > > Buyer be ware of course > > Brian > > 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 Cell > BSchirano at yahoo.com > > > On Wednesday, July 18, 2018, 12:26:14 AM EDT, spitracer1296 via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > I'm looking for a driver quality Triumph TR6 (non-racing) budget up to > $12,500. Needs to be complete and solid. I can handle some mechanical or > cosmetic items, but I don't need another project and certainly no body > work. Not looking for a show car but maybe a 5 to 10 footer? > > I'm located in Michigan but am always up for a road trip. 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While researching the Toyota gearboxes a few years back I noticed the W55 out of a Pickup truck will give you essentially a close ratio gearset and still have 5th as overdrive. The cases are the same. I had one of each, W56 and W55, for the TR3 racer. I too, had the Eaglegate bellhousing although it was one of their original welded units they were selling prior to the cast units they eventually developed. Really nice guy.... As a side note I put a Toyota T50 gearbox in a GT6 I raced a few years back. That conversion used the input shaft from the TR gearbox grafted onto the T50 input shaft and an adapter plate to mount to the GT6 bellhousing. Very reliable and slick Cheers, Bob On 7/19/18 8:43 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also from > New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great, shifts > smoothly, and? (so far!) reliable. > > Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare > transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a > wrecking yard looked them? up yesterday: around $550. No, they are not > for sale! > > I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone is > interested, I could look it up. > > Cheers, Bill > > > On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: >> I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier >> to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to >> like? Keep the wife definitely. >> ?- Larry >> >> On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: >>> Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available >>> since Herman?s passing? >>> >>> Dusty >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot >>> >>>> My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned >>>> for 26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive >>>> or 5th gear...what's the best conversion? >>>> >>>> Bobby Whitehead >>>> Jester's Racing >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From igofaster at att.net Sun Jul 22 07:51:07 2018 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 13:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spit racer References: <164be857a75-c8f-5bab@webjas-vad012.srv.aolmail.net> there is no such thing as a $33,000 Spitfire....this price is at least twice the realistic price .... Bobby Whitehead On Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:23 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire/163159643050?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52954%26meid%3D96e946c435d54edb9240dcee6de3e124%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D183335401932%26itm%3D163159643050&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A2722afa0-8d1e-11e8-a5fe-74dbd18040dd%7Cparentrq%3Abe5d125b1640a9e8b0137246fff6484b%7Ciid%3A1 Seems to be a nice Spitfire.?? 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Bobby Whitehead On Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:23 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire/163159643050?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52954%26meid%3D96e946c435d54edb9240dcee6de3e124%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D183335401932%26itm%3D163159643050&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A2722afa0-8d1e-11e8-a5fe-74dbd18040dd%7Cparentrq%3Abe5d125b1640a9e8b0137246fff6484b%7Ciid%3A1 Seems to be a nice Spitfire. Does anyone have any knowledge on this car?-- Jay _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jul 22 11:31:24 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 13:31:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit racer It's easily what may have been invested in building it, but surely stupid $$; for that price you could buy a lot more racecar! They also say it has a 6-speed gearbox, if it's O/D that would be OK but a funky custom conversion (as recently discussed) may not fly with all vintage groups. It's got enough decals on it, that must mean something though... Glen ps- I'm in SE Fla, don't recall seeing it at any events down here -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead via Fot To: kkjjk ; fot Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2018 10:28 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit racer there is no such thing as a $33,000 Spitfire....this price is at least twice the realistic price .... Bobby Whitehead On Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:23 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire/163159643050?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52954%26meid%3D96e946c435d54edb9240dcee6de3e124%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D183335401932%26itm%3D163159643050&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A2722afa0-8d1e-11e8-a5fe-74dbd18040dd%7Cparentrq%3Abe5d125b1640a9e8b0137246fff6484b%7Ciid%3A1 Seems to be a nice Spitfire. Does anyone have any knowledge on this car?-- Jay _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 22 16:49:20 2018 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 16:49:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit racer References: <164be857a75-c8f-5bab@webjas-vad012.srv.aolmail.net> <1837215419.492848.1532267467815@mail.yahoo.com> Shoot I?ll sell my 71 Spit for $30K and its bored 40 over versus this car being bored 4 over. Had a chuckle when I did the math (1296 bored to1300). Maybe the ad info. got crossed up. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > On Jul 22, 2018, at 7:51 AM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > > there is no such thing as a $33,000 Spitfire....this price is at least twice the realistic price .... Bobby Whitehead > > > On Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:23 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire/163159643050?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52954%26meid%3D96e946c435d54edb9240dcee6de3e124%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D183335401932%26itm%3D163159643050&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A2722afa0-8d1e-11e8-a5fe-74dbd18040dd%7Cparentrq%3Abe5d125b1640a9e8b0137246fff6484b%7Ciid%3A1 > > Seems to be a nice Spitfire. 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 22 19:43:31 2018 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 20:43:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race videos from PGVP - non-Kas Cup Race 1, Sat AM https://youtu.be/Ixqeh9xjAf4 Good dice with Jim Dolan and the bimmers Race 2, Sat PM before Kas Cup https://youtu.be/E2vwekAG4U4 Good dice with the Bimmers, other fast Triumphs skipped to save their cars for Kastner Cup race.? Narrow miss with a Volvo near the end Race 3, Sun AM https://youtu.be/EdRDpquOL74 Good dice until one of my spark plug wires fell off and I pulled off (DNF) Race 4, Sun PM https://youtu.be/B-GjMvcTuCo Start near the back, work through the field. Regards, Tony Drews From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 23 03:08:28 2018 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:08:28 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? In the past we had this discussion. I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. Cheers Chris Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" : Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM *To:* rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. Ronnie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jul 23 06:40:15 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:40:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? References: This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at length with several camshaft engineers over the years. It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin with and can be reground. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Christian Marx via Fot To: fot at autox. team. net Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? In the past we had this discussion. I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. Cheers Chris Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" : Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. Ronnie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 23 06:46:16 2018 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:46:16 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? References: <164c7278e67-c94-302@webjas-vae073.srv.aolmail.net> This may be true for American engines. All European engines have no angel in the Cam shaft. And all the tappets, lifters, rollers, are flat. Dead flat. No light with an edge on it. So maybe this is just an American thing? Cheers Chris fubog1 schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018, 15:40: > This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at > length with several camshaft engineers over the years. > It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground > in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. > This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. > There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? > In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing > anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin > with and can be reground. > > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am > Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? > > In the past we had this discussion. > I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I > suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very > center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the > Cam is used.. The cam is okay > > > The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they > say. > > Cheers > Chris > > Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" : > > Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing > blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam > degrees, works fine. > I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! > That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full > specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. > Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift > measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some > (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. > Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can > be exceptions. > > Glen. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: timmmurphh > To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a > Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams > > By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft > degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a > very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. > > I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison > two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. > > Tim Murphy > #317 TR4 > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM > *To:* rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Cams > > Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the > wear isn't always so obvious. > You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn > lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a > machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. > Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be > problems, there are... > > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rbtr3a--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm > Subject: [Fot] Cams > > How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it > does that make it bad. 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URL: From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Jul 23 07:16:55 2018 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 13:16:55 GMT Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? What motor oil are you using? Lack of zinc may be a cause of the lifter pitting. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Christian Marx via Fot To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:08:28 +0300 In the past we had this discussion.I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. CheersChris Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" : Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine.I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration.Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles.Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam.? I?€™ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference.? Tim Murphy#317 TR4? From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams? Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious.You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile.Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are...? Glen? ? -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. 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URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jul 23 07:49:06 2018 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:49:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? References: FOT, I recently did a good deal of research into cams and lifters for the wet liner engines and I believe the results are accurate for all Triumph in-line engines. Don?t know about the V-8?s in Stags or TR=8?s. My conclusions are that lifters and cams were all ground flat. No radius on lifter edges and no taper on cam lobes. Lifter rotation is accomplished by the lifter bores in the block being offset from the lobes. It sounds simple but what I found was aftermarket cams may or may not be ground flat and I know some suppliers ?upgraded? lifters are ground with a radius (confirmed by actual inspection). In the end I had a stock cam reground to D Cam specifications and original lifters reground flat for my hot street engine. I?d advise checking with any aftermarket cam grinder to determine if their lobes are flat or tapered and then ask what lifter to use with their cam. Ask if off set lifter bores have any influence to their systems. Just my 2 cents worth. JVV From: Christian Marx via Fot Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:08 AM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? In the past we had this discussion. I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. Cheers Chris Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" : Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh To: 'fubog1' ; rbtr3a Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. 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URL: From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Mon Jul 23 09:32:59 2018 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (Ron KRANTZ) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? References: <164c7278e67-c94-302@webjas-vae073.srv.aolmail.net> The reason for a slight angel on the lifter is to keep it from digging into the ramp on the cam lobe due to an aggressive acceleration design. Typical American (cannot say what European mfg. does) lifters have approximately a 60 inch radius. I even have an additional edge radius put on the lifters. The cam lobes have a slight taper side to side for rotating the lifter. Lift on a cam is limited by base circle radius which in turn is limited by cam bearing diameter. Then you get into duration and how fast you can get the valve open. All the Triumph "flat" tappets I have ever seen have a slight radius. The rules say you must retain the same type (flat, roller, mushroom) lifter as stock. My question is "how flat is flat". Rule does not say the lifter has to rotate. If a lifter has a 0.75 inch radius across the lifter diameter and no taper on the cam lobe,you can keep the lifter from rotating and accelerate the cam opening very fast. Think about that. > On July 23, 2018 at 8:46 AM Christian Marx via Fot wrote: > > This may be true for American engines. > > All European engines have no angel in the Cam shaft. And all the tappets, lifters, rollers, are flat. Dead flat. No light with an edge on it. > > So maybe this is just an American thing? > > > Cheers Chris > > fubog1 < fubog1 at aol.com mailto:fubog1 at aol.com > schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018, 15:40: > > > > This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at length with several camshaft engineers over the years. > > It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. > > This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. > > There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? > > In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin with and can be reground. > > > > Glen > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christian Marx via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > To: fot at autox. team. net < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am > > Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? > > > > In the past we had this discussion. > > I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay > > > > > > The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >: > > > > > > > Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. > > > I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! > > > That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. > > > Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. > > > Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. > > > > > > Glen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: timmmurphh < timmmurphh at gmail.com mailto:timmmurphh at gmail.com > > > > To: 'fubog1' < fubog1 at aol.com mailto:fubog1 at aol.com >; rbtr3a < rbtr3a at cox.net mailto:rbtr3a at cox.net > > > > Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm > > > Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams > > > > > > By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. > > > > > > I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. > > > > > > Tim Murphy > > > #317 TR4 > > > > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot > > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM > > > To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams > > > > > > Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. > > > You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. > > > Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rbtr3a--- via Fot > > > To: fot > > > Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm > > > Subject: [Fot] Cams > > > > > > How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. > > > > > > Ronnie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkrantz77 at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 23 09:58:55 2018 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:58:55 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? References: <164c7278e67-c94-302@webjas-vae073.srv.aolmail.net> <1381083474.317845.1532359979780@connect.xfinity.com> I do have original stanpart triumph Tr4 lifters which I've bought years back . They are flat no crest. So my thought is that the factory wants them flat. I say if a lifter fails is caused by a lack of lubrication. If two curved surface run each other the contact patch should be as large as possible to create an oil film on which the lifter can surf. Every surfer knows that a convex surfboard has less lift than a flat one. Concave doesn't work for lifters for other reasons. The job is to maximize the surface and induce some rotation for even wear. So think these nice lifters failed as they were running on the tip. Cheers Chris Ron KRANTZ schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018, 18:33: > The reason for a slight angel on the lifter is to keep it from digging > into the ramp on the cam lobe due to an aggressive acceleration design. > Typical American (cannot say what European mfg. does) lifters have > approximately a 60 inch radius. I even have an additional edge radius put > on the lifters. The cam lobes have a slight taper side to side for > rotating the lifter. Lift on a cam is limited by base circle radius which > in turn is limited by cam bearing diameter. Then you get into duration and > how fast you can get the valve open. All the Triumph "flat" tappets I have > ever seen have a slight radius. The rules say you must retain the same > type (flat, roller, mushroom) lifter as stock. My question is "how flat is > flat". Rule does not say the lifter has to rotate. If a lifter has a 0.75 > inch radius across the lifter diameter and no taper on the cam lobe,you can > keep the lifter from rotating and accelerate the cam opening very fast. > Think about that. > > On July 23, 2018 at 8:46 AM Christian Marx via Fot > wrote: > > This may be true for American engines. > > All European engines have no angel in the Cam shaft. And all the tappets, > lifters, rollers, are flat. Dead flat. No light with an edge on it. > > So maybe this is just an American thing? > > > Cheers Chris > > fubog1 < fubog1 at aol.com> schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018, 15:40: > > This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at > length with several camshaft engineers over the years. > It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground > in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. > This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. > There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? > In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing > anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin > with and can be reground. > > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Marx via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> > To: fot at autox. team. net < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am > Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? > > In the past we had this discussion. > I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I > suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very > center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the > Cam is used.. The cam is okay > > > The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they > say. > > Cheers > Chris > > Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" < fot at autox.team.net>: > > Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing > blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam > degrees, works fine. > I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! > That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full > specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. > Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift > measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some > (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. > Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can > be exceptions. > > Glen. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: timmmurphh < timmmurphh at gmail.com> > To: 'fubog1' < fubog1 at aol.com>; rbtr3a < rbtr3a at cox.net> > Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams > > By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft > degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a > very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. > > I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison > two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. > > Tim Murphy > #317 TR4 > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM > *To:* rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Cams > > Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the > wear isn't always so obvious. > You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn > lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a > machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. > Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be > problems, there are... > > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rbtr3a--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm > Subject: [Fot] Cams > > How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it > does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the > surface. > > Ronnie > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkrantz77 at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pegandbobm at aol.com Mon Jul 23 14:17:25 2018 From: pegandbobm at aol.com (pegandbobm at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:17:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? Not an expert but I WILL GUARANTEE the lifters in my air cooled German made VW Formula Vee engine have a slight radius/angle. I check this before each rebuild to ensure they have not flatten. Pre-Trump I think Germany was still considered part of Europe> Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ron KRANTZ via Fot To: Christian Marx via Fot ; Fubog1 at aol. com ; Christian Marx Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? The reason for a slight angel on the lifter is to keep it from digging into the ramp on the cam lobe due to an aggressive acceleration design. Typical American (cannot say what European mfg. does) lifters have approximately a 60 inch radius. I even have an additional edge radius put on the lifters. The cam lobes have a slight taper side to side for rotating the lifter. Lift on a cam is limited by base circle radius which in turn is limited by cam bearing diameter. Then you get into duration and how fast you can get the valve open. All the Triumph "flat" tappets I have ever seen have a slight radius. The rules say you must retain the same type (flat, roller, mushroom) lifter as stock. My question is "how flat is flat". Rule does not say the lifter has to rotate. If a lifter has a 0.75 inch radius across the lifter diameter and no taper on the cam lobe,you can keep the lifter from rotating and accelerate the cam opening very fast. Think about that. On July 23, 2018 at 8:46 AM Christian Marx via Fot wrote: This may be true for American engines. All European engines have no angel in the Cam shaft. And all the tappets, lifters, rollers, are flat. Dead flat. No light with an edge on it. So maybe this is just an American thing? Cheers Chris fubog1 < fubog1 at aol.com> schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018, 15:40: This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at length with several camshaft engineers over the years. It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin with and can be reground. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Christian Marx via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> To: fot at autox. team. net < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? In the past we had this discussion. I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. Cheers Chris Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" < fot at autox.team.net>: Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh < timmmurphh at gmail.com> To: 'fubog1' < fubog1 at aol.com>; rbtr3a < rbtr3a at cox.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jul 25 11:04:41 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:04:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tim Murphy Tim... I must have a stale email address for you, or you have wisely removed me from your list of folks you will accept emails from. Please contact me off the FOT list. billdentin at aol.com Bill Dentinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jul 25 13:56:02 2018 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:56:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? References: <164c7278e67-c94-302@webjas-vae073.srv.aolmail.net> We have discussed this several times. It hard these days to talk about auto companies being American or European, since they are all multinational, with engineering and manufacturing in many countries. I have attached a page out of a Ford Motor Co. design manual from the 1980's. That's 30 years ago, but the laws of physics haven't changed. Chris is right that Triumph did not put a taper on their cams, but Austin/MG did. I don't know about others first hand, but engine builders I've talked to say a crowned lifter is the norm. Glen has more experience than I do, but I have taken a few TR engines apart and have seen a few where the lifter had obviously not been rotating.? It is true that the lowest stresses will occur if the lifter is flat and the cam lobe is flat and they mate perfectly, but it is less likely to rotate. Also, I'm told that it is virtually impossible to achieve perfect alignment because the lifter will be canted in the bore or the bore may not be perfectly perpendicular, or the cam lobe might have a slight taper. Then you end up with the far right picture with infinite surface stress at the contact point. We are talking about a radius of 50 to 100 inches on the lifter and a taper of maybe 0.001 inches across the lobe. ?- Larry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CamTaper2.gif Type: image/gif Size: 23160 bytes Desc: not available URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Jul 24 08:22:22 2018 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:22:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? References: <1381083474.317845.1532359979780@connect.xfinity.com> <164c8ca10b6-c98-1aab6@webjas-vab038.srv.aolmail.net> While I have my engines built I have been in the engine aftermarket selling parts for Federal Mogul and Dane as well as Mahle since 1983. I have never seen a flat bottom lifter yet. They all have a crown/bevel/high spot on them. They have been called flat tappets for a zillion years but it is an inaccurate description. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pegandbobm--- via Fot Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:17 PM To: rkrantz77 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; Fubog1 at aol.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? Not an expert but I WILL GUARANTEE the lifters in my air cooled German made VW Formula Vee engine have a slight radius/angle. I check this before each rebuild to ensure they have not flatten. Pre-Trump I think Germany was still considered part of Europe> Bob -----Original Message----- Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? The reason for a slight angel on the lifter is to keep it from digging into the ramp on the cam lobe due to an aggressive acceleration design. Typical American (cannot say what European mfg. does) lifters have approximately a 60 inch radius. I even have an additional edge radius put on the lifters. The cam lobes have a slight taper side to side for rotating the lifter. Lift on a cam is limited by base circle radius which in turn is limited by cam bearing diameter. Then you get into duration and how fast you can get the valve open. All the Triumph "flat" tappets I have ever seen have a slight radius. The rules say you must retain the same type (flat, roller, mushroom) lifter as stock. My question is "how flat is flat". Rule does not say the lifter has to rotate. If a lifter has a 0.75 inch radius across the lifter diameter and no taper on the cam lobe,you can keep the lifter from rotating and accelerate the cam opening very fast. Think about that. This may be true for American engines. All European engines have no angel in the Cam shaft. And all the tappets, lifters, rollers, are flat. Dead flat. No light with an edge on it. So maybe this is just an American thing? Cheers Chris This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at length with several camshaft engineers over the years. It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin with and can be reground. Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? In the past we had this discussion. I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. Cheers Chris Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. 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Chuck Gee > On Jul 22, 2018, at 6:51 AM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > > there is no such thing as a $33,000 Spitfire....this price is at least twice the realistic price .... Bobby Whitehead > > > On Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:23 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire/163159643050?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52954%26meid%3D96e946c435d54edb9240dcee6de3e124%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D183335401932%26itm%3D163159643050&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A2722afa0-8d1e-11e8-a5fe-74dbd18040dd%7Cparentrq%3Abe5d125b1640a9e8b0137246fff6484b%7Ciid%3A1 > > Seems to be a nice Spitfire. 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MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 A1 Shooting Sports, Inc T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Wednesday, July 25, 2018, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: I don?t know, I think mine is worth $66K! Chuck Gee On Jul 22, 2018, at 6:51 AM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: there is no such thing as a $33,000 Spitfire....this price is at least twice the realistic price .... Bobby Whitehead On Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:23 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire/163159643050?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52954%26meid%3D96e946c435d54edb9240dcee6de3e124%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D183335401932%26itm%3D163159643050&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A2722afa0-8d1e-11e8-a5fe-74dbd18040dd%7Cparentrq%3Abe5d125b1640a9e8b0137246fff6484b%7Ciid%3A1 Seems to be a nice Spitfire. Does anyone have any knowledge on this car?-- Jay _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu Jul 26 15:42:19 2018 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:42:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kevin Potter FOT, I would like to acknowledge Kevin Potter?s engine building prowess and contribution to our enjoyment of the TR4 that we race. For those that do not know, we purchased Bob Wismer?s blue Triumph TR4. We have had a great time with the car and have truly enjoyed getting to know the Triumph community. Kevin Potter contributed greatly to our positive experience. He may not even realize how much we appreciate the platform that he provided for us to get our start. If that is the case, that is my fault for not saying thank you sooner. I will keep this brief, but I would like to recognize what Kevin Potter did for us. Kevin Potter helped Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger with engines and other mechanical matters for their Triumphs. Kevin built an engine for Bob to go with the TR4 that we purchased from Bob. Bob really wanted the new owners of the car to start out with a solid and reliable platform. Bob was very candid about the importance of the car being sold with a well-built fresh engine. Kevin Potter built an engine that has delivered on Bob?s wishes. We have maintained the engine very carefully and gone through the lower end 1 time since we got it. We are in our FOURTH season with the motor that Kevin built. We are running lap times below 3 minutes at Road America and and we can consistently run laps under 1:29 at Blackhawk. That engine is now going to be completely rebuilt. However, we have not suffered any major mechanical issues with it and the head was installed so well that we have no issues with it in the 4 seasons that we have run the car. We have a lot of admiration for Bob Wismer and his vision for the new owners. Furthermore, THNAK YOU to Kevin Potter for delivering on that vision by putting together the motor that he did. Sincerely, Paul Ricco Blue #4 From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jul 26 17:06:40 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:06:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] For the good of the order... Amici... Sadly, I've hung my Nomex on the hook. I no longer race. But I feel a duty to echo Vintage Motorsports recent email tout celebrating VSCDA's 40th Annual Summer Party at Grattan Raceway, August 17th to 19th, 2018. I probably participated in the first 35 of those, although probably crewing for Tony Drews in the last one I attended. I remember when that event was called, "The Vintage Grand Prix au Grattan". I raced at thirty-nine different venues, but Grattan Raceway, just Northeast of Grand Rapids, Michigan was always my favorite. It is absolutely perfect for our cars. If you've not raced Grattan Raceway, I strongly urge you to consider this event. Bill Dentinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don at dcphotos.com Sun Jul 29 14:55:56 2018 From: don at dcphotos.com (don at dcphotos.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 15:55:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] quench clearance Amici, Building a small journal 1296cc Spitfire. Running Venolia?s over Carrillos been know to go to 8500K rpm (occasionally). Going to have the block/pistons decked to zero. (can someone tell me a better way to say this?) Anyway, I realized that my quench clearance would be the crush thickness of the head gasket. .035 ~.0385 In the Comp Prep manual it states .025 as plenty of gap. Just want to see what y?all say. Thanks, Don DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY www.dcphotos.com (512)-680-3540 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 29 19:34:22 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] quench clearance References: <4AE9A4DF-91E6-463A-8E4C-D582D27DF40D@dcphotos.com> Don, One engine builder insisted that 0.040? was ideal for good combustion while avoiding detonation, so that?s what I have attempted to achieve. 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I too am not a particularly big fan of INDY car racing, although I like it when they run tracks I've raced at like Mid-Ohio, Road America, and Watkins Glen. In car camera shots start me rockin in my seat going through the corners. My mind recalls what happens there. When I think of that huge early TRIUMPH vintage event at Mid-Ohio, three things stand out in my mind. 1. That was clearly the start of what we know and love today as the FOT. It all started there, and thank God for that. 2. Mid-Ohio's reaction and its ability to respond to what had to be a huge attendance surprise. No surprise SVRA was there in force. No surprise there was an extra-ordinary number of TRIUMPH vintage racers who showed up. But, as Peter Egan opened in his Road and Track article on the event with something like, "I guess I knew there were that many TRIUMPHs, but who thought they'd all show up?" The did show up. And somehow Mid-Ohio came up with enough hot dogs and pork and beans to feed them all. They did. It was like the 'loaves and the fishes' parable in the bible. The line waiting to eat could not be contained in the hospitality tent. It overflowed outside and way up the hill towards the grassy paddock area. It was not, and Mid-Ohio passed out free cold beer to those in line. And who was at the back of the line? Bob Tullius and some Group 44 guys. I'd already eaten, and I walked back to talk to him. I said something like, "Bob...what are you doing way back here. Surely all would be happy for you to skip to the head of the line." He answered with something like, "Are you kidding? I don't want to miss a minute of this." 3. And finally, I remember when they allowed the TRIUMPH street cars to take a parade lap around the course. What a picture. They weren't single file. They were hardly moving. They seemed to be butt to belly-button, all the way around the track. How could there possibly be that many? And it is hard to discuss that event without talking about the weekend long dicing between Mike Jackson's TR3 and Charlie Kates' TR4. But those three items listed above sure stick in my mind. It was the kind of event that gets better and better the more times the story is told. We should go on telling it. Bill Dentinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jul 30 12:46:52 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:46:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] quench clearance References: <4AE9A4DF-91E6-463A-8E4C-D582D27DF40D@dcphotos.com> If you have good race rods and all of the clearances are to spec, you could pop it up a few thou but I wouldn't go any less than .030. Yes you can run it a little tighter but that's the point where there won't be any carbon buildup on top of the piston, and all it takes is a missed-shift to turn it into junk. Considering that the gasket may compress a few thou, depending on what gasket you're using, you'll likely be fine with 0-deck, as you're planning. Glen -----Original Message----- From: don--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 7:27 pm Subject: [Fot] quench clearance Amici, Building a small journal 1296cc Spitfire. Running Venolia?s over Carrillos been know to go to 8500K rpm (occasionally). Going to have the block/pistons decked to zero. (can someone tell me a better way to say this?) Anyway, I realized that my quench clearance would be the crush thickness of the head gasket. .035 ~.0385 In the Comp Prep manual it states .025 as plenty of gap. Just want to see what y?all say. Thanks, Don DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY www.dcphotos.com (512)-680-3540 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jul 30 15:06:10 2018 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:06:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] quench clearance References: <4AE9A4DF-91E6-463A-8E4C-D582D27DF40D@dcphotos.com>, <164ec83b593-c8c-13f72@webjas-vac232.srv.aolmail.net> Not apples to apples, but just for info. We used a squash of .020, no gasket, O ring, & turned 13 to 14 rpm with our 2 stroke 250cc motors. Cannot remember the cc?s for the heads. But it took many, many hours with 400 wet paper, WD40 & a surface plate to achieve the desired combo. Sent from my iPhone If you have good race rods and all of the clearances are to spec, you could pop it up a few thou but I wouldn't go any less than .030. Yes you can run it a little tighter but that's the point where there won't be any carbon buildup on top of the piston, and all it takes is a missed-shift to turn it into junk. Considering that the gasket may compress a few thou, depending on what gasket you're using, you'll likely be fine with 0-deck, as you're planning. Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 7:27 pm Subject: [Fot] quench clearance Amici, Building a small journal 1296cc Spitfire. Running Venolia?s over Carrillos been know to go to 8500K rpm (occasionally). Going to have the block/pistons decked to zero. (can someone tell me a better way to say this?) Anyway, I realized that my quench clearance would be the crush thickness of the head gasket. .035 ~.0385 In the Comp Prep manual it states .025 as plenty of gap. Just want to see what y?all say. Thanks, Don DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY www.dcphotos.com (512)-680-3540 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 30 16:07:36 2018 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:07:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio... References: <164ec6f7e12-c8a-e6e5@webjas-vad211.srv.aolmail.net> Bill, I was in one of those street cars. I drove my TR3 to the track for the weekend and did the parade lap. I was the only street TR3 there with Weber DCOE carbs and Revolution wheels. BoB Tullius saw me waiting to get on the track and said: ?I like what you have done with your car?. I?ll never forget that weekend. Long before I knew any of you guys, except for Ted. 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Keep the flame going!!!! c ya,Bob Lang On Monday, July 30, 2018, 8:21:15 PM EDT, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: #yiv3238560866 #yiv3238560866 -- _filtered #yiv3238560866 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3238560866 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv3238560866 #yiv3238560866 p.yiv3238560866MsoNormal, #yiv3238560866 li.yiv3238560866MsoNormal, #yiv3238560866 div.yiv3238560866MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv3238560866 a:link, #yiv3238560866 span.yiv3238560866MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3238560866 a:visited, #yiv3238560866 span.yiv3238560866MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3238560866 .yiv3238560866MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv3238560866 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv3238560866 div.yiv3238560866WordSection1 {}#yiv3238560866 Bill, ? I was in one of those street cars.? I drove my TR3 to the track for the weekend and did the parade lap.? I was the only street TR3 there with Weber DCOE carbs and Revolution wheels. BoB Tullius saw me waiting to get on the track and said:? ?I like what you have done with your car?.?? I?ll never forget that weekend.? Long before I knew any of you guys, except for Ted. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jul 30 19:54:52 2018 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio... References: <164ec6f7e12-c8a-e6e5@webjas-vad211.srv.aolmail.net> Glad you all shared memories and comments of this event. Just a week or so ago, one of my fellow Triumph Travelers, Roger Evens, wrote in a club news letter of attending that event. He drove his black TR3A from San Jose, CA and receive the award for the longest drive. I think it was over 7,000 miles round trip. He said the only problem was tach failure on the way home. He still has the car and drives it regularly. He has also attended the Laguna and Sonoma Kastner Cup race events. He recently turned 80 and still a true and hard core Triumph enthusiast. The Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club is the oldest continuous Triumph club in the states at 60 years. I hope to race at Mid-Ohio some day. I have attended a number of events there as a spectator. I also don't usually watch Indy races these days, but happened to catch the first half hour of so of this one, totally by chance while looking for the Nascar race. Cheers, Dave H. > On July 30, 2018 at 3:07 PM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > I was in one of those street cars. 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URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 31 08:48:10 2018 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:48:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Pittrace early bird ends midnight aug 1 This is a great opportunity to learn a new track for any who have never run it before and an opportunity to hone those apex turn ins for those who have been here before.. Lots of seat time and lots of paddock space all at a very reasonable entry. What?s not to like?! Don?t miss out on the Early Bird discount! The Triumph ghetto will be present yet again. Russ Moore Spitfire#49 From: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com [mailto:VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:44 AM To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [VRG NewsGroup] Pittrace early bird ends midnight aug 1 We are at 56 entrees for our first ever VRG PittRace event and the early bird entry ends tonight. We need 130 entries to break even and we really need to help the VRG finances after the hit we took with the Jefferson rain out. This is an amazing track and we have a schedule with 11 track sessions for each group over the 3 day event. No other race will give you more fun and seat time. Here is the link to registration and FAQs - https://vrgonline.org/event-info/ You have the whole month of August to get your cars ready and to get to PittRace!!! Thanks and hope to see you there. Keith __._,_.___ _____ Posted by: klawre2685 at gmail.com _____ Reply via web post ? ? ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (3) _____ Have you tried the highest rated email app? With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. _____ Visit the VRG on the Web! 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Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2018, at 4:56 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: If you have good race rods and all of the clearances are to spec, you could pop it up a few thou but I wouldn't go any less than .030.Yes you can run it a little tighter but that's the point where there won't be any carbon buildup on top of the piston, and all it takes is a missed-shift to turn it into junk. Considering that the gasket may compress a few thou, depending on what gasket you're using, you'll likely be fine with 0-deck, as you're planning.Glen -----Original Message----- From: don--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 7:27 pm Subject: [Fot] quench clearance Amici,? Building a small journal 1296cc Spitfire.Running Venolia?s over Carrillosbeen know to go to 8500K rpm (occasionally). Going to have the block/pistons decked to zero. (can someone tell me a better way to say this?)Anyway, I realized that my quench clearance would be the crush thickness of the head gasket..035 ~.0385In the Comp Prep manual it states .025 as plenty of gap.? Just want to see what y?all say.Thanks,?Don DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY www.dcphotos.com (512)-680-3540 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jul 25 16:23:57 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 22:23:57 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? Yeah...flat tappets. It's sort of like "Military Intelligence". It sounds good, but it's misleading, if not particularly descriptive. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot To: pegandbobm ; rkrantz77 ; Fubog1 ; tr4racing Cc: fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 3:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? While I have my engines built I have been in the engine aftermarket selling parts for Federal Mogul and Dane as well as Mahle since 1983. I have never seen a flat bottom lifter yet. They all have a crown/bevel/high spot on them. They have been called flat tappets for a zillion years but it is an inaccurate description. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of pegandbobm--- via Fot Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:17 PM To: rkrantz77 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; Fubog1 at aol.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? Not an expert but I WILL GUARANTEE the lifters in my air cooled German made VW Formula Vee engine have a slight radius/angle. I check this before each rebuild to ensure they have not flatten. Pre-Trump I think Germany was still considered part of Europe> Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ron KRANTZ via Fot To: Christian Marx via Fot ; Fubog1 at aol. com ; Christian Marx Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? The reason for a slight angel on the lifter is to keep it from digging into the ramp on the cam lobe due to an aggressive acceleration design. Typical American (cannot say what European mfg. does) lifters have approximately a 60 inch radius. I even have an additional edge radius put on the lifters. The cam lobes have a slight taper side to side for rotating the lifter. Lift on a cam is limited by base circle radius which in turn is limited by cam bearing diameter. Then you get into duration and how fast you can get the valve open. All the Triumph "flat" tappets I have ever seen have a slight radius. The rules say you must retain the same type (flat, roller, mushroom) lifter as stock. My question is "how flat is flat". Rule does not say the lifter has to rotate. If a lifter has a 0.75 inch radius across the lifter diameter and no taper on the cam lobe,you can keep the lifter from rotating and accelerate the cam opening very fast. Think about that. On July 23, 2018 at 8:46 AM Christian Marx via Fot wrote: This may be true for American engines. All European engines have no angel in the Cam shaft. And all the tappets, lifters, rollers, are flat. Dead flat. No light with an edge on it. So maybe this is just an American thing? Cheers Chris fubog1 schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018, 15:40: This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at length with several camshaft engineers over the years. It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin with and can be reground. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Christian Marx via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> To: fot at autox. team. net < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? In the past we had this discussion. I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. Cheers Chris Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" : Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh < timmmurphh at gmail.com> To: 'fubog1' < fubog1 at aol.com>; rbtr3a Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 From: Fot On Behalf Offubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. 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The Beady Eye agenda (starting with engine builder Mike Belfer) was not to build an engine to win a particular race, but rather to build one to last all year and then be freshened come winter. I used to run 6-8 events a year, and Bob probably ran 16 a year, after he retired. Fortunately we used to help meet engine life expectations by not driving at 10/10ths. But engine building seemed to be Kevin's labor of love, and every spring he would say, "Bill...wait until to try this one!" Kevin's Day Job was that of shop mechanic for my small masonry company. And as a mechanic, he stood even taller in that capacity. There did not seem to be anything he would not undertake. One time I went out in the shop, and he had our crane in there. I do not know how the hell he ever got it in there (it was crossways), but it was in there. The OVHD doors were closed, and it looked to me like he was trying to take the boom off. He was a natural mechanic. He could build stuff, fix stuff, paint stuff, weld stuff. Bring it on. In his pre-Beady Eye days (while Steve's Dad Mike was still alive doing our work), Kevin was a dyed in the wool NASCAR nut. He and his wife traveled to NASCAR races all over the country. He was into Chevy V8s big time, and he built a fine short track racer. I remember it well, because all of the body parts were delivered to my shop one afternoon. They weighed 40 pounds (total). Kevin built the car. Everything, engine, drive train, paint, graphics, everything. It was a thing of beauty. I think he raced it once, which was enough for him to learn that while he had the talent to build such a race car...he could not afford to race. He sold the car. Down through the years while he was building our engines, he continued to use that old machine shop that specialized in Chevy V8s in general, and dragstrip stuff in particular. But Kevin knew what he wanted, and had good ideas on how to get there, and the shop found working on Kevin's little 'Brit stuff' an interesting diversion. Back in the day, my wife loved Kevin, because as many of you know, her husband was damn near worthless when it came to fixing anything. But with Kevin out there in the shop...her problems were easily solved. Well said, Paul and long overdue. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, July 26, 2018, Paul Ricco wrote: FOT, I would like to acknowledge Kevin Potter?s engine building prowess and contribution to our enjoyment of the TR4 that we race. For those that do not know, we purchased Bob Wismer?s blue Triumph TR4. We have had a great time with the car and have truly enjoyed getting to know the Triumph community. Kevin Potter contributed greatly to our positive experience. He may not even realize how much we appreciate the platform that he provided for us to get our start. If that is the case, that is my fault for not saying thank you sooner. I will keep this brief, but I would like to recognize what Kevin Potter did for us. Kevin Potter helped Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger with engines and other mechanical matters for their Triumphs. Kevin built an engine for Bob to go with the TR4 that we purchased from Bob. Bob really wanted the new owners of the car to start out with a solid and reliable platform. Bob was very candid about the importance of the car being sold with a well-built fresh engine. Kevin Potter built an engine that has delivered on Bob?s wishes. We have maintained the engine very carefully and gone through the lower end 1 time since we got it. We are in our FOURTH season with the motor that Kevin built. We are running lap times below 3 minutes at Road America and and we can consistently run laps under 1:29 at Blackhawk. That engine is now going to be completely rebuilt. However, we have not suffered any major mechanical issues with it and the head was installed so well that we have no issues with it in the 4 seasons that we have run the car. We have a lot of admiration for Bob Wismer and his vision for the new owners. Furthermore, THNAK YOU to Kevin Potter for delivering on that vision by putting together the motor that he did. Sincerely, Paul Ricco Blue #4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 19:22:51 2018 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 01:22:51 -0000 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup event References: <22783511.326773.1531088936548@connect.xfinity.com> A good one. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jul 8, 2018, at 5:28 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > Thank you for this message, Kas. > > Congratulations to Jim Dolan. Hip hip hooray! > > Thanks to Shawn Frank for keeping us in suspense with his North American Triumph FaceBook updates, photos and video. > > It looked like an all around fantastic event. I wished I was there. > > I can hardly wait to see some in-car video. > > Dave H. > >> On July 8, 2018 at 12:42 PM Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >> >> The weather tried to outlast us but failed as Saturday, Cup Day, turned out terrific. No Rain No Snow or tornados or other wild things or animals interfering with great racing. >> >> Sam Halkais entered my TR-6 from the olden days showing off the Triumph multi blue & white colors from 1972. Sam had a hard time for a bit to fix something not working in the inlet system. He did find and throw out the gremlin just in time for the K Cup race and zapped off into the distance to win the race overall. >> >> The Kastner Cup though is not awarded to just the fastest Triumph. Outstanding effort , preparation and service in the Vintage Triumph scene are part of the boxes to be checked off. It was a very close call for the winner of the Cup. >> >> The GT-6 cars have been in a secret breeding mode as there were a ton of them there and racing. After 24 minutes of high speed chase and pass and re-pass between Tony Drews TR-4, the GT-6 of Scott Jansen and the GT-6 of Kastner Cup Chairmen for this race, Jim Dolan, at the end Jim Dolan kept it all together and squeezed out a clear victory for the class and to win the Kastner Cup. >> >> Congratulation to Jim Dolan for a great drive and very well prepared GT-6 racer and indeed for all the care and effort he made for the 16th Kastner Cup event. >> >> Thanks to all the racers for bringing your great cars to this annual event. It was big fun for Peg and I and we hope to see a great number of you next years 17th Kastner Cup in May 2019 at Buttonwillow Raceway in California. 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URL: From wemery at wasd.org Thu Jul 12 06:32:13 2018 From: wemery at wasd.org (William Emery) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:32:13 -0000 Subject: [Fot] nomination References: <417CC94F-AB1B-4242-8805-70E14E65B35B@gmail.com> , <000801d41907$b84b11e0$28e135a0$@rogers.com> Lorne, Thank you for the nomination. Phil and Paul, thank you for the second and third. With the loss of both my parents in a 11 week span, this year has been crazy and very difficult. The Kastner Cup weekend is fortunately behind me and the reset button has been pressed. The issue was a starter and kill switch. The fast turnaround would not been possible without Lorne's professional expertise and his willingness to make the TR7 his first priority this week. Thank you, Lorne. I look forward to being part of the FOT community. All the best, Bill Emery Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Paul MacDonald Date: 7/11/18 7:14 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Phil Gott' , 'Lorne Fritz' , Fot Cc: William Emery Subject: RE: [Fot] nomination Second or third for sure, met Bill at the Kastner cup in 2008 when he did run the car all weekend. The emeail that I had for him may not be current but I have cc'd him on the email (see if it works?) , Can't have enough wedges!! Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:27 AM To: Lorne Fritz Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination Second! Anyone with that dedication should be welcome! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2018, at 11:34 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > Hi, I would like to nominate Bill Emery for membership in FOT. His > father just passed away before he could nominate his son. He just > towed his TR7 to the Kastner cup only to have problems and couldn?t > compete. He is going to race in the park this week end. Lorne Fritz > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the Williamsport Area School District Director of Technology. This message may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. 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The starter solenoid acted up in the new-to-me high torque starter, so a push start put me at the back of the pack, making for a fun drive! ?Running the engine as you built it, with some slight adjustments, but still stock head and cam. ?Had a few people mention you when they came over to chat, too! ?Enjoy! https://youtu.be/wabn9p6LdMo? Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, May 6, 2018, 9:29 AM, carl stenquist wrote: They have my vote!Congrats to Dave finishing drivers school, wish I was going to the K-cup, I would love to see his car run.? Two great guys. On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 5:05 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot wrote: Seconded on both. On Sat, May 5, 2018, 11:29 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: I'd like to nominate for membership Phil Gott to the FOT. Phil is a long time racer. National SCCA Solo champion, regional road racer and for the past few years a vintage racer in his TR-4A Phils' racing bio - http://historicracinggroup. com/phil-gott.php His son, Dave, also with a Solo background, just completed his SCCA drivers school in his own TR. They both will be attending the K Cup in what will probably the the first time they're racing against each other, outside of Solo competition. Can I get some seconds? thanks mike h ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jul 19 20:25:03 2018 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 02:25:03 -0000 Subject: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 more... References: <42ff946f-80c0-5092-955a-9f5d6f26f6e3@pobox.com> <164b3dfa5f3-c92-cf76@webjas-vac220.srv.aolmail.net> <1229176934.7475844.1532037420166@mail.yahoo.com> <1F58DEDC-E5B8-43E6-870A-6D9659E5296D@icloud.com> If you do, be sure to check for coil bind. I shimmed mine just a little too much, so the ports would only partially open. Pressure looked fine at low rpm on the bench, but went way high in service. -- Randall On 19 July 2018 20:59:03 GMT-04:00, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >Hit send too soon. What pressure did you run on the large piston A >type? I?ve got >Mine set at 370psi and it shifts nearly instantly on the bench. >Wondering if I should add another shim to get closer to 400psi. > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:57 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: >> >> Hi Glen. I agree with most of your comments. I raced a TR-4 in SCCA >for 24 years, and used both close ratio, and stock ratio gearboxes >with, and without overdrive. I always used the later housings (TR-4A - >TR-6) and the "A" Type overdrive, and I did all my own maintenance. >Early in my career, I always thought a straight 4 speed (without >overdrive) would be more efficient for racing, due to less parasitic >losses. When close ratio gears became legal (about 1980), I thought >this would be a big improvement over the overdrive option. I had all 6 >gear sets set up for my IRS car, so I could gear to use either >transmission option at all the tracks I raced at. >> >> However, after years of experimenting at Road Atlanta, during The >Runoffs, I concluded that using a close ratio overdrive gearbox with >the 4.3 rear end gear was about 1 second per lap faster than using a >straight 4 speed with the 3.7 rear end gear. The 4.3 rear gear gave me >a more usable second gear for some tight turns (like turn 7 at Atlanta) >than the 3.7 rear gear. I also tried the 4.1 rear gear with the >straight 4 Speed, but the overdrive option was still faster. >> >> I did less research at other tracks, but long tracks with tight turns >(like Road America) would certainly favor the overdrive option. There >may not be as much difference on short, tighter tracks. But, numbers >don't lie, and a second a lap was worth it to me, to learn about >building and maintaining overdrives, with high pump pressure for >quicker shifting. And, I found them to be very reliable mechanically. >The only problems I ever had were electrical. >> >> Take it for what it's worth, but that's my story, and I'm stickin' to >it! >> >> Jack >> >> On Thursday, July 19, 2018, 5:30:21 PM EDT, fubog1 via Fot > wrote: >> >> >> In all fairness to the conversion advocates, in spite of the benefit >of both intermediate gearing & the extra top gear with the O/D unit, >there are some downsides to the O/D. >> First, it's getting hard to find good units, a lot of what I run into >is junk. These have been in high demand since forever, I've bought many >junk TRs just for the overdrives. >> As Larry pointed out, there are alternatives, ie Volvo, but then you >have to mod it to suit. >> Unless you find a guaranteed plug-and-play TR box & O/D assembly, >you'll most likely be having to go through the gearbox as well, and >certainly if you're converting a standard gearbox to overdrive cuz' the >mainshaft is different. >> That leads to another problem, parts availability for overdrive parts >is a bit limited, especially some of the early A-type stuff, and as is >normal these days, quality is always a big concern. >> Then if you have a rebuildable unit, and all of the parts, it has to >be properly rebuilt, by the book. >> It's a fairly labor-intensive job and requires some degree of >mechanical finesse. >> >> If you have to pay someone to do the entire job, the cost could >easily get up there to the point where a conversion gets more >attractive. >> >> There are also a few other negatives, the TR box & O/D unit may weigh >more than some alternative units, there is some very slight power loss >with the O/D, and some replacements may have better ratios available. >> >> Having said (typed) this, for a street car, a later TR-6 box, with >the 17 tooth laygear, better 1st ratio & much-improved 2nd mainshaft >gear, with a J-type on the back of it is hard to improve on. >> For racing, late 6 box with a set of close ratio gears & a "big >piston" A-type works well. >> >> I see both side of the argument but personally I like the TRs as TRs, >iff'n in doesn't say Stanpart on it, I'm not interested (grin). >> >> Glen >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Young via Fot >> To: fot >> Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 12:32 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] best gearbox for TR6 >> >> Yeah, Glen is right. I should have shut up. I did a cost comparison a >few years ago. Someone was making a Ford 5 speed conversion also. The >cost was more or less the same, but of course, it depends on how much >you are going to do yourself. I have heard the Toyota boxes are getting >scarce also ($550 seems like a lot). Quantum Mechanics does (or did) a >turnkey A or J type overdrive. He has everything you need to convert a >Volvo J-type to any of the TR series. I've helped a couple of guys do >this conversion. Volvo's from the 80's are relatively unloved, so a >couple years ago I could find the Volvo J-types on Ebay for $150. Of >course, buying the Volvo overdrive or a Toyota 5 speed is just the tip >of the iceberg. If you want a turnkey deal that you install, you're >probably looking at $2500 - $3000 regardless of the route you go. If >you do everything yourself, you can probably get by for half that. >> >> I've had my TR250 from new and didn't have an overdrive until 5 years >ago. I did a 7,000 mile road trip in it a couple of years ago and found >all 7 speeds to be useful. Even 2nd OD was nice when stuck behind an RV >going up a mountain pass. >> >> Like I said, I should have kept quiet, but my point is that I think >you will find the cost similar regardless of the direction you go. It >really boils down to what you prefer. >> - Larry >> >> On 7/19/2018 7:43 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> I dunno larry, I got my conversion from Eaglegate, who was also from >New Mexico, and it bolted in. Plug and play. Works great, shifts >smoothly, and (so far!) reliable. >> Me being me, at the time, '13 I think, I picked up two spare >transmissions. Celica W58. For about $175 each. A friend with a >wrecking yard looked them up yesterday: around $550. No, they are not >for sale! >> I believe a guy in Kansas City took over Eaglegate. If anyone is >interested, I could look it up. >> Cheers, Bill >> >> On 7/18/2018 11:56 PM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: >> I'd rather have an A-type (or even a J) overdrive - 7 gears, easier >to shift, easier to install, probably less expensive - What's not to >like? Keep the wife definitely. >> - Larry >> >> On 7/14/2018 4:13 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: >> Is the HVDA conversion kit for the Toyota 5 speed still available >since Herman?s passing? >> >> Dusty >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot > wrote: >> >> My wife is trying to convince me to keep our 1971 TR6 we've owned for >26 years...mhhhh.... I told her if we did I needed an overdrive or 5th >gear...what's the best conversion? >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> Jester's Racing >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jul 24 05:59:13 2018 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:59:13 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? Check out the Triumph cam discussion from Tilden Technologies: see http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/ Phil Gott vfracing at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: pegandbobm--- via Fot To: rkrantz77 ; fot ; Fubog1 ; tr4racing Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? Not an expert but I WILL GUARANTEE the lifters in my air cooled German made VW Formula Vee engine have a slight radius/angle. I check this before each rebuild to ensure they have not flatten. Pre-Trump I think Germany was still considered part of Europe> Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ron KRANTZ via Fot To: Christian Marx via Fot ; Fubog1 at aol. com ; Christian Marx Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? The reason for a slight angel on the lifter is to keep it from digging into the ramp on the cam lobe due to an aggressive acceleration design. Typical American (cannot say what European mfg. does) lifters have approximately a 60 inch radius. I even have an additional edge radius put on the lifters. The cam lobes have a slight taper side to side for rotating the lifter. Lift on a cam is limited by base circle radius which in turn is limited by cam bearing diameter. Then you get into duration and how fast you can get the valve open. All the Triumph "flat" tappets I have ever seen have a slight radius. The rules say you must retain the same type (flat, roller, mushroom) lifter as stock. My question is "how flat is flat". Rule does not say the lifter has to rotate. If a lifter has a 0.75 inch radius across the lifter diameter and no taper on the cam lobe,you can keep the lifter from rotating and accelerate the cam opening very fast. Think about that. On July 23, 2018 at 8:46 AM Christian Marx via Fot wrote: This may be true for American engines. All European engines have no angel in the Cam shaft. And all the tappets, lifters, rollers, are flat. Dead flat. No light with an edge on it. So maybe this is just an American thing? Cheers Chris fubog1 < fubog1 at aol.com> schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018, 15:40: This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at length with several camshaft engineers over the years. It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin with and can be reground. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Christian Marx via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> To: fot at autox. team. net < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? In the past we had this discussion. I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. Cheers Chris Am 18.07.2018 02:12 schrieb "fubog1 via Fot" < fot at autox.team.net>: Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- From: timmmurphh < timmmurphh at gmail.com> To: 'fubog1' < fubog1 at aol.com>; rbtr3a < rbtr3a at cox.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM To: rbtr3a at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rbtr3a--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 24 23:54:08 2018 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 05:54:08 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? References: <1381083474.317845.1532359979780@connect.xfinity.com> <164c8ca10b6-c98-1aab6@webjas-vab038.srv.aolmail.net> I had a look around German forums and it seems to be a difference between tuning and standard engines. Standard ? flat Tuning ? domed. Von: pegandbobm at aol.com Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juli 2018 22:17 An: rkrantz77 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; Fubog1 at aol.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? Not an expert but I WILL GUARANTEE the lifters in my air cooled German made VW Formula Vee engine have a slight radius/angle. I check this before each rebuild to ensure they have not flatten. Pre-Trump I think Germany was still considered part of Europe> Bob -----Original Message----- Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? The reason for a slight angel on the lifter is to keep it from digging into the ramp on the cam lobe due to an aggressive acceleration design. Typical American (cannot say what European mfg. does) lifters have approximately a 60 inch radius. I even have an additional edge radius put on the lifters. The cam lobes have a slight taper side to side for rotating the lifter. Lift on a cam is limited by base circle radius which in turn is limited by cam bearing diameter. Then you get into duration and how fast you can get the valve open. All the Triumph "flat" tappets I have ever seen have a slight radius. The rules say you must retain the same type (flat, roller, mushroom) lifter as stock. My question is "how flat is flat". Rule does not say the lifter has to rotate. If a lifter has a 0.75 inch radius across the lifter diameter and no taper on the cam lobe,you can keep the lifter from rotating and accelerate the cam opening very fast. Think about that. This may be true for American engines. All European engines have no angel in the Cam shaft. And all the tappets, lifters, rollers, are flat. Dead flat. No light with an edge on it. So maybe this is just an American thing? Cheers Chris This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at length with several camshaft engineers over the years. It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin with and can be reground. Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? In the past we had this discussion. I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. Cheers Chris Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. 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References: <1381083474.317845.1532359979780@connect.xfinity.com> <164c8ca10b6-c98-1aab6@webjas-vab038.srv.aolmail.net> <00d201d423db$dab10030$90130090$@gmail.com> Let me add: Standard means?.from factory Tuning means?..from so called ?experts? I don?t know how much experts they are but one thing is obvious. In the past, Triumph seems not to have much trouble with camshafts?..problems came in when people used aftermarket parts or tuning parts. This is always suspicious to me. Cheers Chris Von: tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2018 07:54 An: pegandbobm at aol.com; rkrantz77 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; Fubog1 at aol.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: AW: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? I had a look around German forums and it seems to be a difference between tuning and standard engines. Standard ? flat Tuning ? domed. Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juli 2018 22:17 Betreff: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? Not an expert but I WILL GUARANTEE the lifters in my air cooled German made VW Formula Vee engine have a slight radius/angle. I check this before each rebuild to ensure they have not flatten. Pre-Trump I think Germany was still considered part of Europe> Bob -----Original Message----- Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? The reason for a slight angel on the lifter is to keep it from digging into the ramp on the cam lobe due to an aggressive acceleration design. Typical American (cannot say what European mfg. does) lifters have approximately a 60 inch radius. I even have an additional edge radius put on the lifters. The cam lobes have a slight taper side to side for rotating the lifter. Lift on a cam is limited by base circle radius which in turn is limited by cam bearing diameter. Then you get into duration and how fast you can get the valve open. All the Triumph "flat" tappets I have ever seen have a slight radius. The rules say you must retain the same type (flat, roller, mushroom) lifter as stock. My question is "how flat is flat". Rule does not say the lifter has to rotate. If a lifter has a 0.75 inch radius across the lifter diameter and no taper on the cam lobe,you can keep the lifter from rotating and accelerate the cam opening very fast. Think about that. This may be true for American engines. All European engines have no angel in the Cam shaft. And all the tappets, lifters, rollers, are flat. Dead flat. No light with an edge on it. So maybe this is just an American thing? Cheers Chris This is well covered in many engine-building books & I've discussed it at length with several camshaft engineers over the years. It's my understanding that the lobe should have a very slight angle ground in, and the "flat" tappet really isn't, it's very slightly convex. This will give it rotation, if it doesn't rotate it will wear. There could also be spring pressure or lubrication issues? In any case I would discuss it with the tappet supplier before doing anything, at the least make sure that they are sufficiently hard to begin with and can be reground. Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:04 am Subject: [Fot] Do(o)med or flat lifters? In the past we had this discussion. I've bought some high quality lifters from USA, made from tool steel I suppose. 400$ they've cost..... and started to fail. On 3 of them, the very center does show e few pittings. Also visible that only a small part of the Cam is used.. The cam is okay The machine shop will grind the lifters dead flat, as they should be, they say. Cheers Chris Yes, lacking access to a Cam Doc, you can use a set of V or bearing blocks, a degree wheel, dial indicator, and a bit of time, checked at 5 cam degrees, works fine. I'm still old school though, I plot them out on graph paper! That will give you the lobe profile but most folks don't have the full specs on the cam, usually just advertised lift and duration. Since the tip of the lobe usually starts to go away first, a simple lift measurement will reveal the worst, best done with a dial indicator cuz some (cheap) cams are ground on different base circles. Generally, ramp wear is unusual if the tip is still OK, although there can be exceptions. Glen. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Cams By degreeing the cam using increments of 10 crankshaft degrees (5 camshaft degrees) and then plotting the results in Excel, it is possible to get a very accurate picture of the profile of the cam. I?ve attached a spreadsheet showing an intake and exhaust lobe comparison two years apart of our Kastner G3 cam for reference. Tim Murphy #317 TR4 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cams Generally any obvious wear or pitting would make it unserviceable, but the wear isn't always so obvious. You can measure the lift and compare to spec, that will show any worn lobes, but the best way is to find someone who has a "cam doctor". It's a machine that sets it up and measures the complete profile. Usually if there is anything apparent that suggests that there may be problems, there are... Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2018 6:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Cams How do I determine if a cam is good or bad. If there are any marks on it does that make it bad. I do know that two of the lifters has pitting on the surface. 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URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu Jul 26 13:38:30 2018 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:38:30 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Kevin Potter References: <1641abd93b3-c96-a758@webjas-vae223.srv.aolmail.net> FOT, I would like to acknowledge Kevin Potter?s engine building prowess and contribution to our enjoyment of the TR4 that we race. For those that do not know, we purchased Bob Wismer?s blue Triumph TR4. We have had a great time with the car and have truly enjoyed getting to know the Triumph community. Kevin Potter contributed greatly to our positive experience. He may not even realize how much we appreciate the platform that he provided for us to get our start. If that is the case, that is my fault for not saying thank you sooner. I will keep this brief, but I would like to recognize what Kevin Potter did for us. Kevin Potter helped Bob Wismer and Bill Dentinger with engines and other mechanical matters for their Triumphs. Kevin built an engine for Bob to go with the TR4 that we purchased from Bob. Bob really wanted the new owners of the car to start out with a solid and reliable platform. Bob was very candid about the importance of the car being sold with a well-built fresh engine. Kevin Potter built an engine that has delivered on Bob?s wishes. We have maintained the engine very carefully and gone through the lower end 1 time since we got it. We are in our FOURTH season with the motor that Kevin built. We are running lap times below 3 minutes at Road America and and we can consistently run laps under 1:29 at Blackhawk. That engine is now going to be completely rebuilt. However, we have not suffered any major mechanical issues with it and the head was installed so well that we have no issues with it in the 4 seasons that we have run the car. We have a lot of admiration for Bob Wismer and his vision for the new owners. Furthermore, THNAK YOU to Kevin Potter for delivering on that vision by putting together the motor that he did. Sincerely, Paul Ricco Blue #4