From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 1 05:36:05 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 06:36:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <007301d3e0df$0f519510$2df4bf30$@comcast.net> Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? Duncan > On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: > > FoT > I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. > I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. > I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel > but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. > Thanks as always, > jim g > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 1 05:44:38 2018 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 05:44:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <007301d3e0df$0f519510$2df4bf30$@comcast.net> <54F1DAC5-4973-4B59-BE65-5429307EF28D@gmail.com> Duncan, I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. I just need to knock a new one in. I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. jim From: Duncan Charlton Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM To: fot ; Jim Gray Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? Duncan On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue May 1 07:08:29 2018 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 09:08:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral that he needs to worry about? Thanks! Brad From mnewman at embarqmail.com Tue May 1 08:47:35 2018 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 10:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <007301d3e0df$0f519510$2df4bf30$@comcast.net> <54F1DAC5-4973-4B59-BE65-5429307EF28D@gmail.com> <004701d3e141$c94bd3b0$5be37b10$@comcast.net> I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. Bill Newman#44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Gray via Fot To: 'Duncan Charlton' , 'fot' Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Duncan,I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line withthe bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out.I just need to knock a new one in.I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? roundbar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work.I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head.jim From: Duncan Charlton Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM To: fot ; Jim Gray Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? Duncan On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: FoTI was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head.I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out.I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chiselbut I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know.Thanks as always,jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue May 1 09:37:41 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 11:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help I'm not suggesting that it can't be done... but... there's a good chance that you'll get to a point where you'll be wishing that you had pulled the head to do it... Good luck! Glen -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gray via Fot To: 'Duncan Charlton' ; 'fot' Sent: Tue, May 1, 2018 9:31 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Duncan, I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. I just need to knock a new one in. I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. jim From: Duncan Charlton Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM To: fot ; Jim Gray Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? Duncan On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: FoT I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 1 13:25:10 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 14:25:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <007301d3e0df$0f519510$2df4bf30$@comcast.net> <54F1DAC5-4973-4B59-BE65-5429307EF28D@gmail.com> <004701d3e141$c94bd3b0$5be37b10$@comcast.net> <14957666.34523972.1525186055122.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com> I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. Duncan > On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman wrote: > > I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. > Bill Newman > #44 GT6 > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > Duncan, > > I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with > > the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. > > I just need to knock a new one in. > > I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round > > bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. > > I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. > > jim > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > > Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? > > > Duncan > > > > > > > FoT > > I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. > > I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. > > I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel > > but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. > > Thanks as always, > > jim g > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gt6steve at aol.com Tue May 1 16:53:02 2018 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 18:53:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: I'll bet that question comes up on Google a lot LOL -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, May 1, 2018 8:13 am Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral that he needs to worry about? Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed May 2 08:40:01 2018 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <007301d3e0df$0f519510$2df4bf30$@comcast.net> <54F1DAC5-4973-4B59-BE65-5429307EF28D@gmail.com> <004701d3e141$c94bd3b0$5be37b10$@comcast.net> <14957666.34523972.1525186055122.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com> Hi Jim.? Consider this.? Pulling the head may give you the most correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered.? When I was racing, and had to pull the head at the race track, I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts torqued, in under an hour.? By the time you make clearance under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested.? Good luck. Jack PS.? have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow out?? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was the result of a major cylinder head failure.? You may be looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug. On Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 8:53:42 PM EDT, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. Duncan On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman wrote: I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Gray via Fot To: 'Duncan Charlton' , 'fot' Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Duncan, I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. I just need to knock a new one in. I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. jim ? From:?Duncan Charlton ? Sent:?Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM To:?fot ; Jim Gray Subject:?Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help ? Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? ? Duncan On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: ? FoT I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. Thanks as always, jim g ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed May 2 09:12:49 2018 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 09:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <007301d3e0df$0f519510$2df4bf30$@comcast.net> <54F1DAC5-4973-4B59-BE65-5429307EF28D@gmail.com> <004701d3e141$c94bd3b0$5be37b10$@comcast.net> <14957666.34523972.1525186055122.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com> <1578549516.3226855.1525272001739@mail.yahoo.com> Jack, The old freeze plug was found last night under my catch tank at the battery tray. It didn't have much of a ding in it so I suspect it could have been flattened more/better when it was first put in. Last night I was able to clear stuff as required to drill a 1/2" hole in the firewall directly behind the plug. I already have a length of 1/2" solid round bar, tapered/rounded at the end in the hole just waiting for the new plug to arrive. The round bar runs right under the dash. I'll be able to knock it in from the cockpit with a 3 pounder. The car was running better than ever when it went, compression is at 200 psi on all four so at the moment I don't have any reason to believe there are other problems. No evidence at all of water in the oil or cylinders. However, once the plug is replaced and running again there will be detailed inspections once it's back up to running temp. jim g > On May 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM Jack Wheeler wrote: > > Hi Jim. Consider this. Pulling the head may give you the most correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered. When I was racing, and had to pull the head at the race track, I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts torqued, in under an hour. By the time you make clearance under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested. Good luck. > > Jack > > PS. have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow out? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was the result of a major cylinder head failure. You may be looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug. > > > On Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 8:53:42 PM EDT, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > > > I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. > > Duncan > > > > > On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman wrote: > > > > I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. > > Bill Newman > > #44 GT6 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim Gray via Fot > > To: 'Duncan Charlton' , 'fot' > > Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > > > > > Duncan, > > > > I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with > > > > the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. > > > > I just need to knock a new one in. > > > > I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round > > > > bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. > > > > I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. > > > > jim > > > > > > > > From: Duncan Charlton > > Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM > > To: fot ; Jim Gray > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > > > > > > > Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? > > > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > FoT > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. > > > > > > I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. > > > > > > I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel > > > > > > but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. > > > > > > Thanks as always, > > > > > > jim g > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 09:51:26 2018 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 11:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle - 2018 Hi Lists.? We will be at Import Carlisle as a vendor - spaces #C62 & C63. Will be th ere Thursday - Saturday.? ? If you need anything please let me know. Have a truck and trailer for large items.? Will have our usual parts selection - alloy valve covers, gear? reduction starters, steelbraid hoses (brake clutch and oil), poly? bushings, UK? carb sets and even some unusual used bits. Will be? leaving event mid-afternoon Saturday. Please stop by. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 2 11:04:22 2018 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 12:04:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral?? I have a vague recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in the *ss)... Tony Drews On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: > A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. > Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral > that he needs to worry about? > > Thanks! > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed May 2 11:30:55 2018 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 13:30:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <007301d3e0df$0f519510$2df4bf30$@comcast.net> <54F1DAC5-4973-4B59-BE65-5429307EF28D@gmail.com> <004701d3e141$c94bd3b0$5be37b10$@comcast.net> <14957666.34523972.1525186055122.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com> <1578549516.3226855.1525272001739@mail.yahoo.com> <742645101.5219.1525273969200@connect.xfinity.com> It goes without saying that you should coat the edges with a good epoxy before you bonk it. JVV From: JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:12 AM To: Jack Wheeler Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Jack, The old freeze plug was found last night under my catch tank at the battery tray. It didn't have much of a ding in it so I suspect it could have been flattened more/better when it was first put in. Last night I was able to clear stuff as required to drill a 1/2" hole in the firewall directly behind the plug. I already have a length of 1/2" solid round bar, tapered/rounded at the end in the hole just waiting for the new plug to arrive. The round bar runs right under the dash. I'll be able to knock it in from the cockpit with a 3 pounder. The car was running better than ever when it went, compression is at 200 psi on all four so at the moment I don't have any reason to believe there are other problems. No evidence at all of water in the oil or cylinders. However, once the plug is replaced and running again there will be detailed inspections once it's back up to running temp. jim g On May 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM Jack Wheeler wrote: Hi Jim. Consider this. Pulling the head may give you the most correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered. When I was racing, and had to pull the head at the race track, I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts torqued, in under an hour. By the time you make clearance under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested. Good luck. Jack PS. have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow out? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was the result of a major cylinder head failure. You may be looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug. On Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 8:53:42 PM EDT, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. Duncan On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman wrote: I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Gray via Fot To: 'Duncan Charlton' , 'fot' Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Duncan, I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. I just need to knock a new one in. I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. jim From: Duncan Charlton Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM To: fot ; Jim Gray Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? Duncan On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: FoT I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 2 14:55:15 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 15:55:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> If that?s the case he could just overfill the gearbox before towing and then lower the level when done. That way the main shaft would still run in oil. Duncan > On May 2, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > > On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed May 2 15:22:24 2018 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 17:22:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a chance if towing very far or at high speeds. I would not take the chance. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in the *ss)... Tony Drews On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: > A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. > Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral > that he needs to worry about? > > Thanks! > > Brad From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed May 2 15:30:33 2018 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 21:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <007301d3e0df$0f519510$2df4bf30$@comcast.net> <54F1DAC5-4973-4B59-BE65-5429307EF28D@gmail.com> <004701d3e141$c94bd3b0$5be37b10$@comcast.net> <14957666.34523972.1525186055122.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com> <1578549516.3226855.1525272001739@mail.yahoo.com> <742645101.5219.1525273969200@connect.xfinity.com> I always used brown Permatex (old school), but hey, if it works, why change it? Jack On Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 1:30:58 PM EDT, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: It goes without saying that you should coat the edges with a good epoxy before you bonk it.JVV?From: JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:12 AMTo: Jack Wheeler Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help? Jack, The old freeze plug was found last night under my catch tank at the battery tray. It didn't have much of a ding in it so I suspect it could have been flattened more/better when it was first put in. Last night I was able to clear stuff as required to drill a 1/2" hole in the firewall directly behind the plug. I already have a length of 1/2" solid round bar, tapered/rounded at the end in the hole just waiting for the new plug to arrive. The round bar runs right under the dash. I'll be able to knock it in from the cockpit with a 3 pounder. The car was running better than ever when it went, compression is at 200 psi on all four so at the moment I don't have any reason to believe there are other problems. No evidence at all of water in the oil or cylinders. However, once the plug is replaced and running again there will be detailed inspections once it's back up to running temp. jim g On May 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM Jack Wheeler wrote: Hi Jim.? Consider this.? Pulling the head may give you the most correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered.? When I was racing, and had to pull the head at the race track, I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts torqued, in under an hour.? By the time you make clearance under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested.? Good luck. ? Jack PS.? have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow out?? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was the result of a major cylinder head failure.? You may be looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug. ? ? On Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 8:53:42 PM EDT, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: ? ? I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. ? Duncan On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman wrote: ? I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Gray via Fot To: 'Duncan Charlton' , 'fot' Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help ? Duncan, I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. I just need to knock a new one in. I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. jim ? From:?Duncan Charlton ? Sent:?Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM To:?fot ; Jim Gray Subject:?Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help ? Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? ? Duncan ? ? On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: ? FoT I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. Thanks as always, jim g ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ? http://www.fot-racing.com ? Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From weredinger at cox.net Wed May 2 19:12:39 2018 From: weredinger at cox.net (Bill Redinger) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 20:12:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: Tony is right. Remove the drive shaft, rebuild the transmission or use a tow dolly. Bill > On May 2, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger at cox.net > > From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Wed May 2 19:18:34 2018 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 20:18:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <007301d3e0df$0f519510$2df4bf30$@comcast.net> <54F1DAC5-4973-4B59-BE65-5429307EF28D@gmail.com> <004701d3e141$c94bd3b0$5be37b10$@comcast.net> <14957666.34523972.1525186055122.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com> <1578549516.3226855.1525272001739@mail.yahoo.com> <742645101.5219.1525273969200@connect.xfinity.com> I had one pop out on me at the Sunday afternoon race of the Kastner cup at Road Atlanta a few years ago. I was bummed to miss out on the remaining laps so figured I did not want that to happen again. When I pulled the head, I drilled and tapped to 10-32 holes each side of the rear freeze plug. After installing the new plug, I installed a bar that spans the plug and bolts to the head using the two trapped holes. In the center of the bar is a weld nut that I run a bolt through to put a little pressure on the freeze plug. Probably over kill, but Won?t be popping again. Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > It goes without saying that you should coat the edges with a good epoxy before you bonk it. > JVV > > From: JAMES GRAY via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:12 AM > To: Jack Wheeler > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > Jack, > > The old freeze plug was found last night under my catch tank at the battery tray. It didn't have much of a ding in it > > so I suspect it could have been flattened more/better when it was first put in. > > Last night I was able to clear stuff as required to drill a 1/2" hole in the firewall directly behind the plug. > > I already have a length of 1/2" solid round bar, tapered/rounded at the end in the hole just waiting for the new plug to arrive. > > The round bar runs right under the dash. I'll be able to knock it in from the cockpit with a 3 pounder. > > The car was running better than ever when it went, compression is at 200 psi on all four so at the moment > > I don't have any reason to believe there are other problems. No evidence at all of water in the oil or cylinders. > > However, once the plug is replaced and running again there will be detailed inspections once it's back up to running temp. > > jim g > >> On May 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM Jack Wheeler wrote: >> >> Hi Jim. Consider this. Pulling the head may give you the most correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered. When I was racing, and had to pull the head at the race track, I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts torqued, in under an hour. By the time you make clearance under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested. Good luck. >> >> Jack >> >> PS. have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow out? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was the result of a major cylinder head failure. You may be looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug. >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 8:53:42 PM EDT, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. >> >> Duncan >> >>> On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman wrote: >>> >>> I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. >>> Bill Newman >>> #44 GT6 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jim Gray via Fot >>> To: 'Duncan Charlton' , 'fot' >>> Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help >>> >>> Duncan, >>> >>> I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with >>> >>> the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. >>> >>> I just need to knock a new one in. >>> >>> I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round >>> >>> bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. >>> >>> I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. >>> >>> jim >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Duncan Charlton >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM >>> To: fot ; Jim Gray >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help >>> >>> >>> >>> Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? >>> >>> >>> >>> Duncan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> FoT >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. >>> >>> I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. >>> >>> I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel >>> >>> but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. >>> >>> Thanks as always, >>> >>> jim g >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don at dcphotos.com Wed May 2 20:04:21 2018 From: don at dcphotos.com (don at dcphotos.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 21:04:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: Not sure what car this is on, but on my Spitfire, I had a freeze plug blow out the back of the cylinder head and David Anton at APT FAST suggested I use Green Lock-Tite, as it weeps in and seals really well. I also, just as a precaution, JB WELDED the plug in and have/had no problems. Don > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 14:25:10 -0500 > From: Duncan Charlton > To: William T newman > Cc: fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. > > Duncan > >> On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman wrote: >> >> I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. >> Bill Newman >> #44 GT6 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help >> >> Duncan, >> >> I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with >> >> the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. >> >> I just need to knock a new one in. >> >> I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round >> >> bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. >> >> I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. >> >> jim >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help >> >> >> Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? >> >> >> Duncan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> FoT >> >> I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. >> >> I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. >> >> I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel >> >> but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. >> >> Thanks as always, >> >> jim g >> From billdentin at aol.com Wed May 2 21:57:29 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 20:57:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> <0CE450C698054E5794149BCBBD1636FE@VlackTK121647> Hell...years ago Chevy made a stovebolt 6 engine that worked like that. The ?Splash Oiler?., when little scoops used to come down, fill up with oil, and splash oil the engine. Should work in a tranny. Old fashioned High Tech. Vrooom.... Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a chance if towing very far or at high speeds. > > I would not take the chance. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM > To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague > recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing > excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and > disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in > the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > From fubog1 at aol.com Thu May 3 05:39:17 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 07:39:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help I routinely strap that rear plug or lock it in with a 10/32 and a flat washer folded in on either side. Overkill... perhaps, but that sucker isn't coming out. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Greg Blake via Fot To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: FOT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 3, 2018 3:33 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help I had one pop out on me at the Sunday afternoon race of the Kastner cup at Road Atlanta a few years ago. I was bummed to miss out on the remaining laps so figured I did not want that to happen again. When I pulled the head, I drilled and tapped to 10-32 holes each side of the rear freeze plug. After installing the new plug, I installed a bar that spans the plug and bolts to the head using the two trapped holes. In the center of the bar is a weld nut that I run a bolt through to put a little pressure on the freeze plug. Probably over kill, but Won?t be popping again. Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: It goes without saying that you should coat the edges with a good epoxy before you bonk it. JVV From: JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:12 AM To: Jack Wheeler Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Jack, The old freeze plug was found last night under my catch tank at the battery tray. It didn't have much of a ding in it so I suspect it could have been flattened more/better when it was first put in. Last night I was able to clear stuff as required to drill a 1/2" hole in the firewall directly behind the plug. I already have a length of 1/2" solid round bar, tapered/rounded at the end in the hole just waiting for the new plug to arrive. The round bar runs right under the dash. I'll be able to knock it in from the cockpit with a 3 pounder. The car was running better than ever when it went, compression is at 200 psi on all four so at the moment I don't have any reason to believe there are other problems. No evidence at all of water in the oil or cylinders. However, once the plug is replaced and running again there will be detailed inspections once it's back up to running temp. jim g On May 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM Jack Wheeler wrote: Hi Jim. Consider this. Pulling the head may give you the most correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered. When I was racing, and had to pull the head at the race track, I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts torqued, in under an hour. By the time you make clearance under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested. Good luck. Jack PS. have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow out? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was the result of a major cylinder head failure. You may be looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug. On Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 8:53:42 PM EDT, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. Duncan On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman wrote: I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Gray via Fot To: 'Duncan Charlton' , 'fot' Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Duncan, I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. I just need to knock a new one in. I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. jim From: Duncan Charlton Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM To: fot ; Jim Gray Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? Duncan On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: FoT I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. 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URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu May 3 06:49:03 2018 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 12:49:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> <30A9F853-1972-4FAE-BB96-3C144687A5C1@gmail.com> It's just so easy to remove those four bolts that connect the drive shaft flange to the diff flange. Why not do it? It'll take 10 minutes. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton via Fot Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 3:55 PM To: Tony Drews Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse If that?s the case he could just overfill the gearbox before towing and then lower the level when done. That way the main shaft would still run in oil. Duncan > On May 2, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > > On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ---------- This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials. Visit the following link to report this email as spam: https://us3.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=1525311163-8Bkp2A9d4A1x&r_address=sbarr%40mccarty-law.com&report= From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu May 3 07:09:26 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 08:09:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> <0CE450C698054E5794149BCBBD1636FE@VlackTK121647> <4C333619-8925-4FE2-BE1C-73F0A8799E54@aol.com> I think the issue is that the layshaft gear cluster may not be turning when being flat towed (with the driveshaft connected) so oil is not being flung upward onto the gearbox?s upper components, some of which will rotate when moving. That?s why I suggested temporarily adding oil, so that the upper components receive some oil. Duncan > On May 2, 2018, at 10:57 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Hell...years ago Chevy made a stovebolt 6 engine that worked like that. The ?Splash Oiler?., when little scoops used to come down, fill up with oil, and splash oil the engine. Should work in a tranny. Old fashioned High Tech. > > Vrooom.... > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 2, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >> >> If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a chance if towing very far or at high speeds. >> >> I would not take the chance. >> JVV >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot >> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM >> To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse >> >> Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague >> recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing >> excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and >> disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in >> the *ss)... >> >> Tony Drews >> >> >>> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >>> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >>> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >>> that he needs to worry about? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Brad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > From hpspitfire at gmail.com Thu May 3 07:23:30 2018 From: hpspitfire at gmail.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 09:23:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More stuff Spitfire aluminum bell housings 2 of them $150 each Head gaskets 10 of them for 1500. $10 each or $60 for all Price drop on the valve covers $50 each complete $40 for one without cap Also have various powder coated stock suspension pieces (upper/lower a-arms and rear uprights) $20 each time Txt or call 317-828-8876 email hpspitfire at gmail.com All prices plus shipping -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Those dippers went into a trough that had oil pumped into them from the sump. The dippers did splash oil to the inside of the engine but what they also did as they rotated at engine rpm was to create enough pressure to feed the rod bearings (babbitt) and also force oil up a hole in the rod to pressure feed the piston pin. That lasted until 1954 / 1955 when Chevy went to the 235 Blue Flame 6. In my 55 it was more like a Blue Smoke 6! Fun days. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:57 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: Tony Drews ; Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse Hell...years ago Chevy made a stovebolt 6 engine that worked like that. The ?Splash Oiler?., when little scoops used to come down, fill up with oil, and splash oil the engine. Should work in a tranny. Old fashioned High Tech. Vrooom.... Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft > while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the > gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the > main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and > bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a > chance if towing very far or at high speeds. > > I would not take the chance. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM > To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague > recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing > excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and > disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in > the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 3 08:22:31 2018 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 10:22:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> <30A9F853-1972-4FAE-BB96-3C144687A5C1@gmail.com> Over filling has been mentioned to me several times. Based on the transmission issues while flat towing the odds are the interested party will likely opt to not purchase a Vitesse as a Toad. I think he's going to want to find something in the no muss no fuss category. Thanks for all the replies! Brad On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > If that?s the case he could just overfill the gearbox before towing and then lower the level when done. That way the main shaft would still run in oil. > > Duncan > >> On May 2, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> >> Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in the *ss)... >> >> Tony Drews >> >> >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >>> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >>> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >>> that he needs to worry about? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> >> > From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu May 3 09:30:39 2018 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 15:30:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <0099CE4F-A206-492F-A6E2-A7B54B8DE270@icloud.com> <16325cca095-c8e-37505@webjas-vac094.srv.aolmail.net> I have been watching this and am curious why do you?ll have so much pressure in the cooling system that it blows freeze plugs out. I have run Shelby?s, Mustangs and now Spitfires. We use a 7-12 PSI cap, that?s not enough to blow a plug out. Are you?ll using some high PSI cap or some such thing??? [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:39 AM To: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com; jerryvv at roadrunner.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help I routinely strap that rear plug or lock it in with a 10/32 and a flat washer folded in on either side. Overkill... perhaps, but that sucker isn't coming out. Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Thu, May 3, 2018 3:33 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help I had one pop out on me at the Sunday afternoon race of the Kastner cup at Road Atlanta a few years ago. I was bummed to miss out on the remaining laps so figured I did not want that to happen again. When I pulled the head, I drilled and tapped to 10-32 holes each side of the rear freeze plug. After installing the new plug, I installed a bar that spans the plug and bolts to the head using the two trapped holes. In the center of the bar is a weld nut that I run a bolt through to put a little pressure on the freeze plug. Probably over kill, but Won?t be popping again. Sent from my iPhone It goes without saying that you should coat the edges with a good epoxy before you bonk it. JVV From: JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:12 AM To: Jack Wheeler Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Jack, The old freeze plug was found last night under my catch tank at the battery tray. It didn't have much of a ding in it so I suspect it could have been flattened more/better when it was first put in. Last night I was able to clear stuff as required to drill a 1/2" hole in the firewall directly behind the plug. I already have a length of 1/2" solid round bar, tapered/rounded at the end in the hole just waiting for the new plug to arrive. The round bar runs right under the dash. I'll be able to knock it in from the cockpit with a 3 pounder. The car was running better than ever when it went, compression is at 200 psi on all four so at the moment I don't have any reason to believe there are other problems. No evidence at all of water in the oil or cylinders. However, once the plug is replaced and running again there will be detailed inspections once it's back up to running temp. jim g Hi Jim. Consider this. Pulling the head may give you the most correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered. When I was racing, and had to pull the head at the race track, I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts torqued, in under an hour. By the time you make clearance under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested. Good luck. Jack PS. have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow out? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was the result of a major cylinder head failure. You may be looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug. I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. Duncan I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Duncan, I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. I just need to knock a new one in. I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. jim Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? Duncan FoT I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. 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Old fashioned > High Tech. > > Vrooom.... > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 2, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > > > If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft > while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the > gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the > main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and > bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a > chance if towing very far or at high speeds. > > > > I would not take the chance. > > JVV > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot > > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM > > To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse > > > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu May 3 13:04:47 2018 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 19:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spark Plu8gs - L82YC References: <12830f4.46571.16302f07fa1.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <763430162.1373843.1524777877900@mail.yahoo.com> <2005101713.1184681.1524782077201@mail.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Jack Wheeler Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018, 9:50:45 AM EDTSubject: Re: [Fot] Looking for Michael Hado Hi Jack- Mike is indeed on the list, but it may take some time for him to respond as he was on a trip with a group of Triumph friends here in Texas and we lost one of them, a very close friend to Mike, to an accident yesterday. ?? Needless to say, it has shocked our group of Triumph people here.? I will be in touch with Mike in the next several days and can make sure he gets your message. I use Mike's wiring diagram all the time for my 3A - I'm pretty sure he doesn't make them anymore as the enlarging/copying cost for them got very expensive - but Mike will be able to confirm. As to online resources, Mike may have pointed you to the best that I am aware of, and that is the diagrams from Advance Autowire, here is the link: ?http://www.advanceautowire.com/ RegardsRandy DeRuiter There has been some traffic lately about spark plugs, so I checked my stock of old race car spark plugs, and found 2 complete sets of L82YC's (8 plugs).? Since I retired from racing in 1998, these are probably about 20 years old, but are still in the original packages, and have not been used.? I'd like to see them go to someone who could get some use out of them.? I have no idea what the market value for these is today, but if you are interested, please make me a reasonable offer, and they will go to the first one I get.? Thanks. Jack From: Fot on behalf of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 5:34 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Looking for Michael Hado?Is Michael Hado (Cypress, TX) still on the FOT list?? A number of years ago, I got some wiring diagrams from him, but have lost his email address.? If someone can help me track him down, I would appreciate it, as I have some questions about additional wiring diagrams.? Alternatively, does anyone know the web site that he used to access wiring diagrams online? Thanks for any help you can give me. Jack Wheeler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 3 15:07:27 2018 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 14:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> <30A9F853-1972-4FAE-BB96-3C144687A5C1@gmail.com> > I think he's going to want to find something in the no muss no fuss > category. Just a thought: he could set up a transfer pump and a small catch tank, to fill the gearbox for towing and pump some oil back out into the catch tank for driving. Just put a pipe fitting in place of the fill plug to get the "driving" level correct. I've seen a kit for sale (probably in "Motorhome Life"), but that was a long time ago. I've no idea if anyone still sells them now. Anyone on this list should have no trouble putting something together, though. The problem with not lubricating properly is fairly common across all cars, not just Vitesse or even just Triumph by any means. -- Randall From dmar823 at gmail.com Thu May 3 15:21:43 2018 From: dmar823 at gmail.com (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 17:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> <30A9F853-1972-4FAE-BB96-3C144687A5C1@gmail.com> ?I saw this rig a few months ago going through Jacksonville on I-95. By the time I caught up to take a picture he had taken the exit onto 95 south toward Miami so you can't see the trailer. If I was going to have a "TRoad", I'd probably want it on a trailer, too. Don ? On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: > Over filling has been mentioned to me several times. > > Based on the transmission issues while flat towing the odds are the > interested party will likely opt to not purchase a Vitesse as a Toad. > I think he's going to want to find something in the no muss no fuss > category. > > Thanks for all the replies! > > Brad > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Duncan Charlton > wrote: > > If that?s the case he could just overfill the gearbox before towing and > then lower the level when done. That way the main shaft would still run in > oil. > > > > Duncan > > > >> On May 2, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague > recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing excessive > wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and disconnecting the > driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in the *ss)... > >> > >> Tony Drews > >> > >> > >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: > >>> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. > >>> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral > >>> that he needs to worry about? > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Brad > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack On Thursday, May 3, 2018, 5:28:29 PM EDT, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: I have been watching this and am curious why do you?ll have so much pressure in the cooling system that it blows freeze plugs out. I have run Shelby?s, Mustangs and now Spitfires. We use a 7-12 PSI cap, that?s not enough to blow a plug out. Are you?ll using some high PSI cap or some such thing??? ? | | ? | Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com | | ?? | ? | ? Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com ? | ? ? From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:39 AM To: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com; jerryvv at roadrunner.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help ? I routinely strap that rear plug or lock it in with a 10/32 and a flat washer folded in on either side. Overkill... perhaps, but that sucker isn't coming out. Glen ? ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Greg Blake via Fot To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: FOT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 3, 2018 3:33 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help I had one pop out on me at the Sunday afternoon race of the Kastner cup at Road Atlanta a few years ago. I was bummed to miss out on the remaining laps so figured I did not want that to happen again.? ? When I pulled the head, I drilled and tapped to 10-32 holes each side of the rear freeze plug. After installing the new plug, I installed a bar that spans the plug and bolts to the head using the two trapped holes. In the center of the bar is a weld nut that I run a bolt through to put a little pressure on the freeze plug. Probably over kill, but Won?t be popping again.? Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: It goes without saying that you should coat the edges with a good epoxy before you bonk it. JVV ? From: JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:12 AM To: Jack Wheeler Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help ? Jack, The old freeze plug was found last night under my catch tank at the battery tray. It didn't have much of a ding in it so I suspect it could have been flattened more/better when it was first put in. Last night I was able to clear stuff as required to drill a 1/2" hole in the firewall directly behind the plug. I already have a length of 1/2" solid round bar, tapered/rounded at the end in the hole just waiting for the new plug to arrive. The round bar runs right under the dash. I'll be able to knock it in from the cockpit with a 3 pounder. The car was running better than ever when it went, compression is at 200 psi on all four so at the moment I don't have any reason to believe there are other problems. No evidence at all of water in the oil or cylinders. However, once the plug is replaced and running again there will be detailed inspections once it's back up to running temp. jim g On May 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM Jack Wheeler wrote: Hi Jim.? Consider this.? Pulling the head may give you the most correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered.? When I was racing, and had to pull the head at the race track, I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts torqued, in under an hour.? By the time you make clearance under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested.? Good luck. ? Jack PS.? have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow out?? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was the result of a major cylinder head failure.? You may be looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug. ? ? On Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 8:53:42 PM EDT, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: ? ? I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. ? Duncan ? On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman wrote: ? I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I could pull the head. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Gray via Fot To: 'Duncan Charlton' , 'fot' Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help ? Duncan, I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is just about in line with the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew the old plug completely out. I just need to knock a new one in. I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a piece of ? or even ?? round bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than pulling the head. jim ? From:?Duncan Charlton ? Sent:?Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM To:?fot ; Jim Gray Subject:?Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help ? Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out or yank it out that way? ? Duncan ? ? On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot wrote: ? FoT I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without removing the head. I was instructing at our drivers school this past weekend when it blew out. I may have enough room between the firewall to use a short blunt air chisel but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one please let me know. Thanks as always, jim g ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ? http://www.fot-racing.com ? 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13118 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Thu May 3 17:57:49 2018 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 18:57:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help References: <0099CE4F-A206-492F-A6E2-A7B54B8DE270@icloud.com> <16325cca095-c8e-37505@webjas-vac094.srv.aolmail.net> Pressure in the block and head is much higher than at the radiator - like 30+ psi with a 7 psi cap.? The restriction across the thermostat housing holds it back from the Rad.? We discovered that when we put a radiator cap on TOP of the t-stat housing to make the water easy to fill fully.? Had to plug up the overflow on that one. As others mentioned, I JB weld any freeze plugs into the block. Regards, Tony Drews On 5/3/2018 10:30 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: > > I have been watching this and am curious why do you?ll have so much > pressure in the cooling system that it blows freeze plugs out. I have > run Shelby?s, Mustangs and now Spitfires. > > We use a 7-12 PSI cap, that?s not enough to blow a plug out. > > Are you?ll using some high PSI cap or some such thing??? > > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png > > > > > ** > > > > *Mark Craig > *Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > *From:*Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *fubog1 > via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:39 AM > *To:* gblake58tr3 at icloud.com; jerryvv at roadrunner.com > *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > I routinely strap that rear plug or lock it in with a 10/32 and a flat > washer folded in on either side. > Overkill... perhaps, but that sucker isn't coming out. > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > To: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thu, May 3, 2018 3:33 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > I had one pop out on me at the Sunday afternoon race of the Kastner > cup at Road Atlanta a few years ago. I was bummed to miss out on the > remaining laps so figured I did not want that to happen again. > > When I pulled the head, I drilled and tapped to 10-32 holes each side > of the rear freeze plug. After installing the new plug, I installed a > bar that spans the plug and bolts to the head using the two trapped > holes. In the center of the bar is a weld nut that I run a bolt > through to put a little pressure on the freeze plug. Probably over > kill, but Won?t be popping again. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 2, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > > It goes without saying that you should coat the edges with a good > epoxy before you bonk it. > > JVV > > *From:*JAMES GRAY via Fot > > *Sent:*Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:12 AM > > *To:*Jack Wheeler > > *Cc:*FOT Triumph > > *Subject:*Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > Jack, > > The old freeze plug was found last night under my catch tank at > the battery tray. It didn't have much of a ding in it > > so I suspect it could have been flattened more/better when it was > first put in. > > Last night I was able to clear stuff as required to drill a 1/2" > hole in the firewall directly behind the plug. > > I already have a length of 1/2" solid round bar, tapered/rounded > at the end in the hole just waiting for the new plug to arrive. > > The round bar runs right under the dash. I'll be able to knock it > in from the cockpit with a 3 pounder. > > The car was running better than ever when it went, compression is > at 200 psi on all four so at the moment > > I don't have any reason to believe there are other problems. No > evidence at all of water in the oil or cylinders. > > However, once the plug is replaced and running again there will be > detailed inspections once it's back up to running temp. > > jim g > > On May 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM Jack Wheeler > Hi Jim. Consider this.? Pulling the head may give you the most > correct fit, and also may be quicker, all things considered.? > When I was racing, and had to pull the head at the race track, > I could get it off and back on, new head gasket, and nuts > torqued, in under an hour.? By the time you make clearance > under the dash, and drive the plug in, possibly not aligned > correctly, I'll bet you will have over an hour invested.? Good > luck. > > Jack > > > PS.? have you determined what caused the freeze plug to blow > out?? The one time I had that happen at the race track, it was > the result of a major cylinder head failure.? You may be > looking at a bigger problem than just the freeze plug. > > On Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 8:53:42 PM EDT, Duncan Charlton via > > I used one of those expandable core plugs on a BMW 2002 and > left it in for the next 60,000 miles with no sign of leaks. > > Duncan > > On May 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, William T newman > wrote: > > I've used a neoprene plug at the track to get by until I > could pull the head. > > Bill Newman > > #44 GT6 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Gray via Fot To: 'Duncan Charlton' Sent: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > Duncan, > > I think that?s where I?m going next, the freeze plug is > just about in line with > > the bottom of the dash or close. The good thing is it blew > the old plug completely out. > > I just need to knock a new one in. > > I?m pretty sure I can go under the dash and through with a > piece of ? or even ?? round > > bar about 2? long which I can scrounge at work. > > I?ll have to remove some stuff but still better than > pulling the head. > > jim > > > *From:*Duncan Charlton *Sent:*Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:36 AM > Jim Gray *Subject:*Re: [Fot] Cylinder head freeze plug help > > > Can you drill a hole through the firewall and drive it out > or yank it out that way? > > > Duncan > > On Apr 30, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Jim Gray via Fot > > > FoT > > I was wondering if anyone has a clever method of > putting in a cylinder head freeze plug without > removing the head. > > I was instructing at our drivers school this past > weekend when it blew out. > > I may have enough room between the firewall to use a > short blunt air chisel > > but I have my doubts so if anyone has a better one > please let me know. > > Thanks as always, > > jim g > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu May 3 22:12:46 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 00:12:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 144th KENTUCKY DERBY Amici... My other passion in life is thoroughbred horse racing. During my thirty-five years of vintage racing, I never raced at VSCDA's Gingerman event, which also included their annual Driver's School. My driving skills probably indicated I was missing out on those events. Well, this was because the event fell on Kentucky Derby Day. My racing partners, Don Brick and Bob Wismer, always ran Gingerman, but I never did. I love horse racing. On one of my racing trips to Watkins Glen, we added the Lime Rock event and that brought us close enough that it also included a stop at Saratoga. We went to Saratoga three days in a row. For horse racing fans going to tracks like Saratoga is like going to a special Cathedral, or even the Vatican. I love horse racing. Every year from October until the first Saturday in May, I will clock, study, and maintain data on all of the Triple Crown Prep Races preceding the Kentucky Derby. I used to have a mason contractor friend in Kitchner, Ontario, Canada, who bred and raced horses. He even had bred and raced a filly who won the Queen's Plate Stakes (a very big deal up at Woodbine). But I have no other formal horse racing connections. I have never been an owner. I am not a High Roller. I am not even a frequent bettor. Early in 2016 I moved from Wisconsin to Las Vegas so we would be closer to our oldest daughter and her husband. I am literally surrounded by Casinos. The nearest is SOUTH POINT, which has an outstanding, totally dedicated Race Book for Dog and Horse racing. Am I a frequent visitor? Nope! I'll go and bet the horses three or four times a year (mostly when we have guests in town who want to gamble). But I do watch a lot of horse racing on TV, I also do a lot of handicapping, and I make a lot of pretend bets on paper. That's the way I keep track of my ability, or sometimes lack there of. My wife likes my hobby. She says it keeps me out of trouble, and she knows where I am. Anyway, I have prepared some notes for the 144th running of the Kentucky Derby. I do this every year for my family and close friends. This year is an extremely competitive race, with a whole bunch of colts who all have a serious chance to win the roses. If you are unaware, I believe NBC carries the race and depending upon where you live, Post Time is: 6:50/5:50/4:50/3:50 PM. I am sure coverage probably starts an hour before Post Time. If you would like to see a copy of my notes on the 144th Kentucky Derby, drop me an email OFF LIST, and I'll be glad to send you one (I've got my notes on an Excel Spread Sheet). This is all meant to be JUST FOR FUN! 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Quick opinion survey for GT6 clutch master cyl mfg TRW PNB454 $91 at BP Northwest or Beck/Arnley 072-1308 ~ $51 Rock Auto or Amazon Or? Thanks Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell BSchirano at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri May 4 06:51:10 2018 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 08:51:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch master opinion References: <1864725806.478385.1525402014071.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1864725806.478385.1525402014071@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Brian, as an old friend told me, and from personal experience, you have about a 50-50 chance of success when rebuilding these. For my 2 cents, I'd buy two of the less expensive ones, put one on the car and the other for spare. Or buy the more expensive one to put on the car and the cheaper one for spare. You might want to replace the slave too while you're at it. Also from my experience, trying to save a few bucks and go the cheaper route usually bites you in the butt. Also on my TR6, there was kind of a plastic line going to the slave. It's been replaced by a braided line yrear ago. Cheap insurance. Good luck. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Schirano via Fot To: FOT Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 10:46 PM Subject: [Fot] clutch master opinion Hey Guys I need to replace my clutch master cylinder then rebuild the old one as a spare. Quick opinion survey for GT6 clutch master cyl mfg TRW PNB454 $91 at BP Northwest or Beck/Arnley 072-1308 ~ $51 Rock Auto or Amazon Or? 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri May 4 07:21:56 2018 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 13:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> <0CE450C698054E5794149BCBBD1636FE@VlackTK121647> <4C333619-8925-4FE2-BE1C-73F0A8799E54@aol.com> I really shouldn't speak for Hardy, but I do recall him flat towing his TR-3 race car behind his 1967 E-Type coupe for years, up to about 1987?? I also seem to recall that he disconnected the driveshaft in the TR-3. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: John Styduhar via Fot To: Bill Dentinger Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018, 8:42:53 PM EDTSubject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse ?We should get some input from Hardy Prentice, the grand-daddy of flat towing TR experience.? On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Hell...years ago Chevy made a stovebolt 6 engine that worked like that.? The ?Splash Oiler?., when little scoops used to come down, fill up with oil, and splash oil the engine.? Should work in a tranny. Old fashioned High Tech. Vrooom.... Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a chance if towing very far or at high speeds. > > I would not take the chance. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM > To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral?? I have a vague > recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing > excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and > disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in > the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad > > ______________________________ _________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate. html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Fri May 4 08:36:33 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 10:36:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch master opinion Beck Arnley is, and always has been, a re-boxer, you never know what you'll get. I'm amazed that some of this junk is on the market but some folks shop strictly by lowest price, so there's a good market for it I guess... Yeah TRW is good product in my experience, no issues. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot To: 'Brian Schirano' ; fot Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 9:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] clutch master opinion TRW is good quality stuff, made in Europe to proper specs, not Chinese junk. However I do not know for Beck/Arnley ( get stuff from them on Rock for my 1980 Seville, and it is plenty enough to cruise at 55, but not sure for racing), but TRW is definitely a good option. Enjoy a great WE! Alex Camoletti De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Brian Schirano via Fot Envoy? : vendredi 4 mai 2018 04:47 ? : FOT Objet : [Fot] clutch master opinion Hey Guys I need to replace my clutch master cylinder then rebuild the old one as a spare. Quick opinion survey for GT6 clutch master cyl mfg TRW PNB454 $91 at BP Northwest or Beck/Arnley 072-1308 ~ $51 Rock Auto or Amazon Or? Thanks Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell BSchirano at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From explore8 at outlook.com Fri May 4 09:23:30 2018 From: explore8 at outlook.com (D V) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 15:23:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> <0CE450C698054E5794149BCBBD1636FE@VlackTK121647> <4C333619-8925-4FE2-BE1C-73F0A8799E54@aol.com> , <1711394604.4077622.1525440116130@mail.yahoo.com> Why the need for flat towing when you can have this? [image1.png] Sent from my iPhone I really shouldn't speak for Hardy, but I do recall him flat towing his TR-3 race car behind his 1967 E-Type coupe for years, up to about 1987? I also seem to recall that he disconnected the driveshaft in the TR-3. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018, 8:42:53 PM EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse ?We should get some input from Hardy Prentice, the grand-daddy of flat towing TR experience.? Hell...years ago Chevy made a stovebolt 6 engine that worked like that. The ?Splash Oiler?., when little scoops used to come down, fill up with oil, and splash oil the engine. Should work in a tranny. Old fashioned High Tech. Vrooom.... Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > > If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a chance if towing very far or at high speeds. > > I would not take the chance. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM > To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague > recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing > excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and > disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in > the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad > > ______________________________ _________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate. html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > ______________________________ _________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These are brand new WISECO Pistons: Here is a brief overview: 87MM Flat Top Forged Pistons They have friction coated skirts from the factory (saves you time, hassle and expense shipping them to be coated) They come with a ring package They also have wrist pins included If anyone has a need for pistons or is interested in these pistons, please call me or email me offline. I will provide more information on an individual basis as needed. Hope all that are racing this weekend have great success and enjoyment in their ventures! Sincerely, Paul Ricco (813) 716-1931 1962 Triumph TR4 Recae Car 1964 Triumph TR4 Frame-Off Restoration in Progress From billdentin at aol.com Fri May 4 09:53:38 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 11:53:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse And, of course, how one ends up with an email address moniker...CATPUSHER. It all fits. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 8:28 am Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse I really shouldn't speak for Hardy, but I do recall him flat towing his TR-3 race car behind his 1967 E-Type coupe for years, up to about 1987? I also seem to recall that he disconnected the driveshaft in the TR-3. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: John Styduhar via Fot To: Bill Dentinger Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018, 8:42:53 PM EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse ?We should get some input from Hardy Prentice, the grand-daddy of flat towing TR experience.? On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Hell...years ago Chevy made a stovebolt 6 engine that worked like that. The ?Splash Oiler?., when little scoops used to come down, fill up with oil, and splash oil the engine. Should work in a tranny. Old fashioned High Tech. Vrooom.... Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a chance if towing very far or at high speeds. > > I would not take the chance. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM > To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague > recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing > excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and > disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in > the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad > > ______________________________ _________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate. html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri May 4 11:17:13 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 13:17:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] On a completely unrelated matter... May the 4th be with you... Bill Dentinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri May 4 11:56:52 2018 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 10:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] clutch master opinion References: <016901d3e39d$bbc8b560$335a2020$@camoletti.ch> <1632b9545da-c8b-16d7@webjas-vae218.srv.aolmail.net> I have Wilwood masters on my TR3. They can be ordered in different piston diameters and they weren't very expensive. I think in the $90 range. They are otherwise direct factory replacements as far as I can remember. I think a GT6 has a different setup than the TR, but you might want to check them out. Dave H. > On May 4, 2018 at 7:36 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > Beck Arnley is, and always has been, a re-boxer, you never know what you'll get. > I'm amazed that some of this junk is on the market but some folks shop strictly by lowest price, so there's a good market for it I guess... > Yeah TRW is good product in my experience, no issues. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot > To: 'Brian Schirano' ; fot > Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 9:48 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] clutch master opinion > > TRW is good quality stuff, made in Europe to proper specs, not Chinese junk. > However I do not know for Beck/Arnley ( get stuff from them on Rock for my 1980 Seville, and it is plenty enough to cruise at 55, but not sure for racing), but TRW is definitely a good option. > Enjoy a great WE! > Alex Camoletti > > De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net? ] De la part de Brian Schirano via Fot > Envoy? : vendredi 4 mai 2018 04:47 > ? : FOT > Objet : [Fot] clutch master opinion > > Hey Guys > > I need to replace my clutch master cylinder then rebuild the old one as a spare. Quick opinion survey for GT6 clutch master cyl mfg > > TRW PNB454 $91 at BP Northwest > > or > > Beck/Arnley 072-1308 ~ $51 Rock Auto or Amazon > > Or? > > Thanks > Brian > > > > > 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 Cell > BSchirano at yahoo.com mailto:BSchirano at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Fri May 4 12:00:45 2018 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 18:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch master opinion References: <1864725806.478385.1525402014071.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1864725806.478385.1525402014071@mail.yahoo.com> <1CE1DC532B76432BB421A72EBC0CFDE2@hpd530> Good opinion on replacing the slave as well.? Been my experience over many years if one goes the other is not far behind.? It becomes the weak link in the chain.? It also goes without saying that for racing put in the braided line!!! Rich On ?Friday?, ?May? ?4?, ?2018? ?10?:?52?:?28? ?AM? ?EDT, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Hi Brian, as an old friend told me, and from personal experience, you have about a 50-50 chance of success when rebuilding these. For my 2 cents, I'd buy two of the less expensive ones, put one on the car and the other for spare. Or buy the more expensive one to put on the car and the cheaper one for spare.You might want to replace the slave too while you're at it.Also from my experience, trying to save a few bucks and go the cheaper route usually bites you in the butt. Also on my TR6, there was kind of a plastic line going to the slave. It's been replaced by a braided line yrear ago. Cheap insurance.Good luck.Bill----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Schirano via Fot To: FOT Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 10:46 PM Subject: [Fot] clutch master opinion Hey Guys I need to replace my clutch master cylinder then rebuild the old one as a spare.? Quick opinion survey for GT6 clutch master cyl mfg TRW PNB454 $91 at BP Northwest? or? Beck/Arnley 072-1308 ~ $51 Rock Auto or Amazon Or? Thanks Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell? BSchirano at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri May 4 13:18:48 2018 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 19:18:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] clutch master opinion References: <016901d3e39d$bbc8b560$335a2020$@camoletti.ch>, <1632b9545da-c8b-16d7@webjas-vae218.srv.aolmail.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Fri May 4 13:38:13 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 15:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch master opinion I've always been curious about that too, but not enough so to make any effort to find out... In any case, I routinely use their hydraulics in my work, without any issues. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: fubog1 Cc: ac ; bschirano ; fot Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] clutch master opinion Is that the same TRW that went belly- up here in the states? Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2018, at 12:33 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: Beck Arnley is, and always has been, a re-boxer, you never know what you'll get. I'm amazed that some of this junk is on the market but some folks shop strictly by lowest price, so there's a good market for it I guess... Yeah TRW is good product in my experience, no issues. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot To: 'Brian Schirano' ; fot Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 9:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] clutch master opinion TRW is good quality stuff, made in Europe to proper specs, not Chinese junk. However I do not know for Beck/Arnley ( get stuff from them on Rock for my 1980 Seville, and it is plenty enough to cruise at 55, but not sure for racing), but TRW is definitely a good option. Enjoy a great WE! Alex Camoletti De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]De la part de Brian Schirano via Fot Envoy? : vendredi 4 mai 2018 04:47 ? : FOT Objet : [Fot] clutch master opinion Hey Guys I need to replace my clutch master cylinder then rebuild the old one as a spare. Quick opinion survey for GT6 clutch master cyl mfg TRW PNB454 $91 at BP Northwest or Beck/Arnley 072-1308 ~ $51 Rock Auto or Amazon Or? Thanks Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell BSchirano at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been sent by a law firm on a legal matter. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please delete this message and any attachments from your system without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the inadvertent transmission. 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There were two other TR3?s there besides mine and one of them was flat towed behind a 289 Cobra! art de armond From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 10:53 AM To: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse And, of course, how one ends up with an email address moniker...CATPUSHER. It all fits. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 8:28 am Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse I really shouldn't speak for Hardy, but I do recall him flat towing his TR-3 race car behind his 1967 E-Type coupe for years, up to about 1987? I also seem to recall that he disconnected the driveshaft in the TR-3. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: John Styduhar via Fot To: Bill Dentinger Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018, 8:42:53 PM EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse ?We should get some input from Hardy Prentice, the grand-daddy of flat towing TR experience.? On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Hell...years ago Chevy made a stovebolt 6 engine that worked like that. The ?Splash Oiler?., when little scoops used to come down, fill up with oil, and splash oil the engine. Should work in a tranny. Old fashioned High Tech. Vrooom.... Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a chance if towing very far or at high speeds. > > I would not take the chance. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM > To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague > recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing > excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and > disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in > the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad > > ______________________________ _________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate. html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate. html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/johnstydo at gmail. com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 8:28 am Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse I really shouldn't speak for Hardy, but I do recall him flat towing his TR-3 race car behind his 1967 E-Type coupe for years, up to about 1987? I also seem to recall that he disconnected the driveshaft in the TR-3. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: John Styduhar via Fot To: Bill Dentinger Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018, 8:42:53 PM EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse ?We should get some input from Hardy Prentice, the grand-daddy of flat towing TR experience.? On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Hell...years ago Chevy made a stovebolt 6 engine that worked like that. The ?Splash Oiler?., when little scoops used to come down, fill up with oil, and splash oil the engine. Should work in a tranny. Old fashioned High Tech. Vrooom.... Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a chance if towing very far or at high speeds. > > I would not take the chance. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM > To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral? I have a vague > recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing > excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and > disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in > the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad > > ______________________________ _________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate. html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7639 / Virus Database: 4793/15626 - Release Date: 05/04/18 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri May 4 15:58:06 2018 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 21:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <1632bdbd9ec-c86-3f0d5@webjas-vae200.srv.aolmail.net> <71874DE5AB3F448796C0BB1EC9289139@rileyPC> I started out in 1974, flat towing my TR-4 behind a 6 cylinder Mustang.? After 2 driver's schools (one snowed out and rescheduled the following weekend at St. Louis), my second Regional Race was at Nelson Ledges on a weekend in early May, which has appropriately become known as "The Mother's Day Massacre".? After raining all night, a stream was running across the track, just after the Start/Finish line.? At the start, one of the lead cars went sideways in the stream, and collected most of the field.? I was close to the back, and was able to get my car stopped, but the other TR-4 in the race (behind me) couldn't get stopped and plowed right into me.? It was very much in question whether I would be able to flat tow it home, but I finally hammerred it out enough to make it towable (albeit, not quite in a straight line).? The first thing I did when I got home was to have a trailer built, which I still have, and use, today. Anyone remember the snowed out driver's school at Mid-America Raceway (near St. Louis) in March of 1974?? If I hadn't had snow tires on the race car, I never would have made it out of there, flat towing behind my girlfriend's Mustang. Surely, some of you will remember the Mother's Day Massacre?? Fred Baker was in that race with the E-Type.? I think Ken Slagle was also in that race with his TR-8.? Good (and bad) memories. Best Regards Jack On Friday, May 4, 2018, 5:37:33 PM EDT, wrote: I ran one of the early Road America regionals ? ?72 I think.There were two other TR3?s there besides mine and oneof them was flat towed behind a 289 Cobra!? ?art de armond?From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 10:53 AMTo: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse?And, of course, how one ends up with an email address moniker...CATPUSHER.?It all fits.?Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 8:28 am Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse I really shouldn't speak for Hardy, but I do recall him flat towing his TR-3 race car behind his 1967 E-Type coupe for years, up to about 1987?? I also seem to recall that he disconnected the driveshaft in the TR-3. Jack ?----- Forwarded Message -----From: John Styduhar via Fot To: Bill Dentinger Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018, 8:42:53 PM EDTSubject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse??We should get some input from Hardy Prentice, the grand-daddy of flat towing TR experience.???On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Hell...years ago Chevy made a stovebolt 6 engine that worked like that.? The ?Splash Oiler?., when little scoops used to come down, fill up with oil, and splash oil the engine.? Should work in a tranny. Old fashioned High Tech. Vrooom.... Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > If you have an open transmission look inside and turn the output shaft while holding the input shaft stationary. What you'll see is none of the gears turn, only the syncro hubs will turn since they are locked to the main shaft. I doubt that they will cause enough oil to lube the gears and bushings on the main shaft while it's turning. I think you're taking a chance if towing very far or at high speeds. > > I would not take the chance. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:04 PM > To: Brad Kahler ; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse > > Do any of the gears spin in the trans when in neutral?? I have a vague > recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing > excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and > disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in > the *ss)... > > Tony Drews > > >> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >> that he needs to worry about? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad > > ______________________________ _________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate. html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > ______________________________ _________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/ fot ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot No virus found in this message. 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I did run that the first season, then bled/flushed it out and put ATL 200 in Thanks again and BTW, I am increasing the valve cover and block venting to -12, 3/4" ID line and see how that oil seepage from the pan behaves at MOSPORT CheersBrian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell? BSchirano at yahoo.com On Thursday, May 3, 2018, 10:46:57 PM EDT, Brian Schirano wrote: Hey Guys I need to replace my clutch master cylinder then rebuild the old one as a spare.? Quick opinion survey for GT6 clutch master cyl mfg TRW PNB454 $91 at BP Northwest? or? Beck/Arnley 072-1308 ~ $51 Rock Auto or Amazon Or? ThanksBrian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell? BSchirano at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bill at ponostyle.com Fri May 4 21:16:19 2018 From: Bill at ponostyle.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 20:16:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 144th KENTUCKY DERBY References: <163295a3011-c8c-2a01d@webjas-vae115.srv.aolmail.net> I started paying attention to horse racing and some other forms of gambling when it became obvious to me that for some gambling forms there are enough data points available to be predictive to a degree. I started looking at what would be required to win frequently enough to make a profit after the house takes their cut. I?d say it?s feasible and I?ve learned enough about machine learning to think the process of picking and refining performance could be automated. Let the software learn with fake bets until it?s steadily making a profit. Then go live. You?d need a crew to place all the bets since the analysis needs to run until a few minutes before a parimutuel race happens. If I wasn?t so lazy I?d do this. > On May 3, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Amici... > > My other passion in life is thoroughbred horse racing. > > During my thirty-five years of vintage racing, I never raced at VSCDA's Gingerman event, which also included their annual Driver's School. My driving skills probably indicated I was missing out on those events. Well, this was because the event fell on Kentucky Derby Day. My racing partners, Don Brick and Bob Wismer, always ran Gingerman, but I never did. I love horse racing. On one of my racing trips to Watkins Glen, we added the Lime Rock event and that brought us close enough that it also included a stop at Saratoga. We went to Saratoga three days in a row. For horse racing fans going to tracks like Saratoga is like going to a special Cathedral, or even the Vatican. > > I love horse racing. Every year from October until the first Saturday in May, I will clock, study, and maintain data on all of the Triple Crown Prep Races preceding the Kentucky Derby. I used to have a mason contractor friend in Kitchner, Ontario, Canada, who bred and raced horses. He even had bred and raced a filly who won the Queen's Plate Stakes (a very big deal up at Woodbine). But I have no other formal horse racing connections. I have never been an owner. I am not a High Roller. I am not even a frequent bettor. Early in 2016 I moved from Wisconsin to Las Vegas so we would be closer to our oldest daughter and her husband. I am literally surrounded by Casinos. The nearest is SOUTH POINT, which has an outstanding, totally dedicated Race Book for Dog and Horse racing. Am I a frequent visitor? Nope! I'll go and bet the horses three or four times a year (mostly when we have guests in town who want to gamble). But I do watch a lot of horse racing on TV, I also do a lot of handicapping, and I make a lot of pretend bets on paper. That's the way I keep track of my ability, or sometimes lack there of. My wife likes my hobby. She says it keeps me out of trouble, and she knows where I am. > > Anyway, I have prepared some notes for the 144th running of the Kentucky Derby. I do this every year for my family and close friends. This year is an extremely competitive race, with a whole bunch of colts who all have a serious chance to win the roses. If you are unaware, I believe NBC carries the race and depending upon where you live, Post Time is: 6:50/5:50/4:50/3:50 PM. I am sure coverage probably starts an hour before Post Time. If you would like to see a copy of my notes on the 144th Kentucky Derby, drop me an email OFF LIST, and I'll be glad to send you one (I've got my notes on an Excel Spread Sheet). > > This is all meant to be JUST FOR FUN! > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From spitlist at cox.net Sat May 5 09:21:35 2018 From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 11:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] 144th KENTUCKY DERBY References: <163295a3011-c8c-2a01d@webjas-vae115.srv.aolmail.net> If you could do that, then you could work on how to make money doing any form of auto racing! :) > On May 4, 2018 at 11:16 PM Bill via Fot wrote: > > I started paying attention to horse racing and some other forms of gambling when it became obvious to me that for some gambling forms there are enough data points available to be predictive to a degree. I started looking at what would be required to win frequently enough to make a profit after the house takes their cut. I?d say it?s feasible and I?ve learned enough about machine learning to think the process of picking and refining performance could be automated. Let the software learn with fake bets until it?s steadily making a profit. Then go live. You?d need a crew to place all the bets since the analysis needs to run until a few minutes before a parimutuel race happens. If I wasn?t so lazy I?d do this. > > > > > On May 3, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Amici... > > > > My other passion in life is thoroughbred horse racing. > > > > During my thirty-five years of vintage racing, I never raced at VSCDA's Gingerman event, which also included their annual Driver's School. My driving skills probably indicated I was missing out on those events. Well, this was because the event fell on Kentucky Derby Day. My racing partners, Don Brick and Bob Wismer, always ran Gingerman, but I never did. I love horse racing. On one of my racing trips to Watkins Glen, we added the Lime Rock event and that brought us close enough that it also included a stop at Saratoga. We went to Saratoga three days in a row. For horse racing fans going to tracks like Saratoga is like going to a special Cathedral, or even the Vatican. > > > > I love horse racing. Every year from October until the first Saturday in May, I will clock, study, and maintain data on all of the Triple Crown Prep Races preceding the Kentucky Derby. I used to have a mason contractor friend in Kitchner, Ontario, Canada, who bred and raced horses. He even had bred and raced a filly who won the Queen's Plate Stakes (a very big deal up at Woodbine). But I have no other formal horse racing connections. I have never been an owner. I am not a High Roller. I am not even a frequent bettor. Early in 2016 I moved from Wisconsin to Las Vegas so we would be closer to our oldest daughter and her husband. I am literally surrounded by Casinos. The nearest is SOUTH POINT, which has an outstanding, totally dedicated Race Book for Dog and Horse racing. Am I a frequent visitor? Nope! I'll go and bet the horses three or four times a year (mostly when we have guests in town who want to gamble). But I do watch a lot of horse racing on TV, I also do a lot of handicapping, and I make a lot of pretend bets on paper. That's the way I keep track of my ability, or sometimes lack there of. My wife likes my hobby. She says it keeps me out of trouble, and she knows where I am. > > > > Anyway, I have prepared some notes for the 144th running of the Kentucky Derby. I do this every year for my family and close friends. This year is an extremely competitive race, with a whole bunch of colts who all have a serious chance to win the roses. If you are unaware, I believe NBC carries the race and depending upon where you live, Post Time is: 6:50/5:50/4:50/3:50 PM. I am sure coverage probably starts an hour before Post Time. If you would like to see a copy of my notes on the 144th Kentucky Derby, drop me an email OFF LIST, and I'll be glad to send you one (I've got my notes on an Excel Spread Sheet). > > > > This is all meant to be JUST FOR FUN! > > > > Bill Dentinger > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bill at ponostyle.com Sat May 5 10:04:16 2018 From: Bill at ponostyle.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 09:04:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 144th KENTUCKY DERBY References: <163295a3011-c8c-2a01d@webjas-vae115.srv.aolmail.net> <1422206759.10596.1525533695623@myemail.cox.net> I?m crazy, but I?m not stupid. That?s impossible. > On May 5, 2018, at 8:21 AM, JOE CURRY wrote: > > If you could do that, then you could work on how to make money doing any form of auto racing! :) > > >> On May 4, 2018 at 11:16 PM Bill via Fot wrote: >> >> I started paying attention to horse racing and some other forms of gambling when it became obvious to me that for some gambling forms there are enough data points available to be predictive to a degree. I started looking at what would be required to win frequently enough to make a profit after the house takes their cut. I?d say it?s feasible and I?ve learned enough about machine learning to think the process of picking and refining performance could be automated. Let the software learn with fake bets until it?s steadily making a profit. Then go live. You?d need a crew to place all the bets since the analysis needs to run until a few minutes before a parimutuel race happens. If I wasn?t so lazy I?d do this. >> >>> >>> Amici... >>> >>> My other passion in life is thoroughbred horse racing. >>> >>> During my thirty-five years of vintage racing, I never raced at VSCDA's Gingerman event, which also included their annual Driver's School. My driving skills probably indicated I was missing out on those events. Well, this was because the event fell on Kentucky Derby Day. My racing partners, Don Brick and Bob Wismer, always ran Gingerman, but I never did. I love horse racing. On one of my racing trips to Watkins Glen, we added the Lime Rock event and that brought us close enough that it also included a stop at Saratoga. We went to Saratoga three days in a row. For horse racing fans going to tracks like Saratoga is like going to a special Cathedral, or even the Vatican. >>> >>> I love horse racing. Every year from October until the first Saturday in May, I will clock, study, and maintain data on all of the Triple Crown Prep Races preceding the Kentucky Derby. I used to have a mason contractor friend in Kitchner, Ontario, Canada, who bred and raced horses. He even had bred and raced a filly who won the Queen's Plate Stakes (a very big deal up at Woodbine). But I have no other formal horse racing connections. I have never been an owner. I am not a High Roller. I am not even a frequent bettor. Early in 2016 I moved from Wisconsin to Las Vegas so we would be closer to our oldest daughter and her husband. I am literally surrounded by Casinos. The nearest is SOUTH POINT, which has an outstanding, totally dedicated Race Book for Dog and Horse racing. Am I a frequent visitor? Nope! I'll go and bet the horses three or four times a year (mostly when we have guests in town who want to gamble). But I do watch a lot of horse racing on TV, I also do a lot of handicapping, and I make a lot of pretend bets on paper. That's the way I keep track of my ability, or sometimes lack there of. My wife likes my hobby. She says it keeps me out of trouble, and she knows where I am. >>> >>> Anyway, I have prepared some notes for the 144th running of the Kentucky Derby. I do this every year for my family and close friends. This year is an extremely competitive race, with a whole bunch of colts who all have a serious chance to win the roses. If you are unaware, I believe NBC carries the race and depending upon where you live, Post Time is: 6:50/5:50/4:50/3:50 PM. I am sure coverage probably starts an hour before Post Time. If you would like to see a copy of my notes on the 144th Kentucky Derby, drop me an email OFF LIST, and I'll be glad to send you one (I've got my notes on an Excel Spread Sheet). >>> >>> This is all meant to be JUST FOR FUN! >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >>> >>> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat May 5 10:39:46 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 12:39:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 144th KENTUCKY DERBY References: <25BDC4CB-5774-473A-AC16-4453FFC757C0@ponostyle.com> Bill... Crazy, stupid, or not...your background certainly gives your opinion considerable weight on this subject. Since the mid-1970s I have been using a PC to handicap horse races. However, I have little or no talent to use 'algorithms' (sp?) in my efforts. I just use a computer to apply the traditional handicapping methods my dad taught me. I do not know if I got this link correctly, but you may find this Bloomberg piece on the subject interesting: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-03/the-gambler-who-cracked-the-horse-racing-code We were in Vegas years ago when this guy and his egg-head, math genius buddies took on one of the casinos. Him with a hearing aid in his ear at the Blackjack table, and his buddies up in a hotel room with their computers. Their system generated all of the books on card counting, and of course, he eventually became Persona non Grata in the casinos. This was back in the days when most casinos were still dealing blackjack by hand, with a single deck. Even folks with a two digit IQ can count cards in that game. Now they deal from multi-deck shoes. But to me, today casinos telling known Card Counters..."You can't play!" is like the NBA telling Lebron James, "You can't play. You're too damn GOOD." The House demands an edge. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bill To: JOE CURRY Cc: Bill via Fot ; Bill Dentinger Sent: Sat, May 5, 2018 9:04 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 144th KENTUCKY DERBY I?m crazy, but I?m not stupid. That?s impossible. On May 5, 2018, at 8:21 AM, JOE CURRY wrote: If you could do that, then you could work on how to make money doing any form of auto racing! :) On May 4, 2018 at 11:16 PM Bill via Fot wrote: I started paying attention to horse racing and some other forms of gambling when it became obvious to me that for some gambling forms there are enough data points available to be predictive to a degree. I started looking at what would be required to win frequently enough to make a profit after the house takes their cut. I?d say it?s feasible and I?ve learned enough about machine learning to think the process of picking and refining performance could be automated. Let the software learn with fake bets until it?s steadily making a profit. Then go live. You?d need a crew to place all the bets since the analysis needs to run until a few minutes before a parimutuel race happens. If I wasn?t so lazy I?d do this. On May 3, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Amici... My other passion in life is thoroughbred horse racing. During my thirty-five years of vintage racing, I never raced at VSCDA's Gingerman event, which also included their annual Driver's School. My driving skills probably indicated I was missing out on those events. Well, this was because the event fell on Kentucky Derby Day. My racing partners, Don Brick and Bob Wismer, always ran Gingerman, but I never did. I love horse racing. On one of my racing trips to Watkins Glen, we added the Lime Rock event and that brought us close enough that it also included a stop at Saratoga. We went to Saratoga three days in a row. For horse racing fans going to tracks like Saratoga is like going to a special Cathedral, or even the Vatican. I love horse racing. Every year from October until the first Saturday in May, I will clock, study, and maintain data on all of the Triple Crown Prep Races preceding the Kentucky Derby. I used to have a mason contractor friend in Kitchner, Ontario, Canada, who bred and raced horses. He even had bred and raced a filly who won the Queen's Plate Stakes (a very big deal up at Woodbine). But I have no other formal horse racing connections. I have never been an owner. I am not a High Roller. I am not even a frequent bettor. Early in 2016 I moved from Wisconsin to Las Vegas so we would be closer to our oldest daughter and her husband. I am literally surrounded by Casinos. The nearest is SOUTH POINT, which has an outstanding, totally dedicated Race Book for Dog and Horse racing. Am I a frequent visitor? Nope! I'll go and bet the horses three or four times a year (mostly when we have guests in town who want to gamble). But I do watch a lot of horse racing on TV, I also do a lot of handicapping, and I make a lot of pretend bets on paper. That's the way I keep track of my ability, or sometimes lack there of. My wife likes my hobby. She says it keeps me out of trouble, and she knows where I am. Anyway, I have prepared some notes for the 144th running of the Kentucky Derby. I do this every year for my family and close friends. This year is an extremely competitive race, with a whole bunch of colts who all have a serious chance to win the roses. If you are unaware, I believe NBC carries the race and depending upon where you live, Post Time is: 6:50/5:50/4:50/3:50 PM. I am sure coverage probably starts an hour before Post Time. If you would like to see a copy of my notes on the 144th Kentucky Derby, drop me an email OFF LIST, and I'll be glad to send you one (I've got my notes on an Excel Spread Sheet). This is all meant to be JUST FOR FUN! Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sat May 5 19:01:58 2018 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 21:01:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination request for Phil Gott and his son Dave I'd like to nominate for membership Phil Gott to the FOT. Phil is a long time racer. National SCCA Solo champion, regional road racer and for the past few years a vintage racer in his TR-4A Phils' racing bio - http://historicracinggroup.com/phil-gott.php His son, Dave, also with a Solo background, just completed his SCCA drivers school in his own TR. 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They both will be attending the K Cup in what > will probably the the first time they're racing against each other, outside > of Solo competition. > > Can I get some seconds? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dbm.spitfire at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorne.fritz at gmail.com Sun May 6 13:26:13 2018 From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Sun, 6 May 2018 15:26:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum radiators Hi, I?m looking for a good source for an aluminum radiator for a TR4. I know this came up before, but I couldn?t get on the archive list. Thanks in advance. Lorne From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon May 7 08:36:36 2018 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 07:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum radiators References: <37DDF672-444D-48D5-8B21-247F3E95E5C4@gmail.com> Hi Lorne, Try here: https://www.cgj.com/store/product/tr-6007-triumph-tr4-radiator/ They built me a custom radiator for my Vitesse for $410! I used it last weekend and it works great. They did it fast and were easy to work with too. Chuck Gee > On May 6, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > Hi, I?m looking for a good source for an aluminum radiator for a TR4. I know this came up before, but I couldn?t get on the archive list. Thanks in advance. Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cofrog at q.com Mon May 7 09:36:43 2018 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 11:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Seals/O Rings Does anyone supply replacement O rings for the spin on oil filter adapter for a TR4? Thanks, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Mon May 7 10:16:58 2018 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 11:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: I?d like to nominate Dennis Walje for membership on the FoT. I met Dennis this weekend while racing at Eagles Canyon and learned that he?s building a GT6+ to be a replica/tribute of a Cobra Daytona Coupe (V8). His engineering sounds good but he?s running into trouble finding sources for various components that this group can offer assistance. Dennis also is the Operations Manager at Motorsports Ranch-Cresson (Ft.Worth area) which hosts CVAR events and could be a interesting resource for future Kastner Cup planning. Second please? dennis at motorsportranch.com John Frymark From explore8 at outlook.com Mon May 7 11:46:31 2018 From: explore8 at outlook.com (D V) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 17:46:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] New Recruit I would like to nominate Len Root to the FOT. Len is part of the CVAR contingent and was well know at a race last year for having the fastest 1147 Spitfire in group 2?in the pouring rain. Len?s car was completed by Ed Barnard before he passed away and it would be a great help for Len to have the FOT as a resource. Somehow Len inherited an FOT flag that is hanging inside his trailer so he is already a de facto member. Can I get a second? Derek Vick Sent from my iPhone From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 7 13:49:01 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 14:49:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Second for Dennis. I think I met him just after your last race, in the upstairs club house balcony. Duncan Charlton > On May 7, 2018, at 11:16 AM, John Frymark via Fot wrote: > > I?d like to nominate Dennis Walje for membership on the FoT. I met Dennis this weekend while racing at Eagles Canyon and learned that he?s building a GT6+ to be a replica/tribute of a Cobra Daytona Coupe (V8). His engineering sounds good but he?s running into trouble finding sources for various components that this group can offer assistance. Dennis also is the Operations Manager at Motorsports Ranch-Cresson (Ft.Worth area) which hosts CVAR events and could be a interesting resource for future Kastner Cup planning. > > Second please? > > dennis at motorsportranch.com > > John Frymark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon May 7 14:35:41 2018 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 13:35:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum radiators References: <37DDF672-444D-48D5-8B21-247F3E95E5C4@gmail.com> I've never used the TR4 radiator, but the TR6 is a nice item. https://wizardcooling.com/triumph/tr4/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Lorne Fritz Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum radiators Hi Lorne, Try here: https://www.cgj.com/store/product/tr-6007-triumph-tr4-radiator/ They built me a custom radiator for my Vitesse for $410! I used it last weekend and it works great. They did it fast and were easy to work with too. Chuck Gee On May 6, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: Hi, I?m looking for a good source for an aluminum radiator for a TR4. I know this came up before, but I couldn?t get on the archive list. Thanks in advance. 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Marty Sukey Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: D V via Fot Date: 5/7/18 5:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: FOT Cc: dulon50 at gmail.com Subject: [Fot] New Recruit I would like to nominate Len Root to the FOT. Len is part of the CVAR contingent and was well know at a race last year for having the fastest 1147 Spitfire in group 2?in the pouring rain. Len?s car was completed by Ed Barnard before he passed away and it would be a great help for Len to have the FOT as a resource. Somehow Len inherited an FOT flag that is hanging inside his trailer so he is already a de facto member. Can I get a second? Derek Vick Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edunn at transfueler.com Mon May 7 16:52:57 2018 From: edunn at transfueler.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 15:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Recruit References: I hereby SECOND Len Root, the new recroot! Edward Dunn -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of D V via Fot Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 10:47 AM To: FOT Cc: dulon50 at gmail.com Subject: [Fot] New Recruit I would like to nominate Len Root to the FOT. Len is part of the CVAR contingent and was well know at a race last year for having the fastest 1147 Spitfire in group 2?in the pouring rain. Len?s car was completed by Ed Barnard before he passed away and it would be a great help for Len to have the FOT as a resource. Somehow Len inherited an FOT flag that is hanging inside his trailer so he is already a de facto member. Can I get a second? Derek Vick Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot From cofrog at q.com Mon May 7 19:17:53 2018 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 21:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Seals/O Rings References: <1142925268.48349304.1525707403875.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> George, The adapters take two o rings, on larger and one smaller. The larger one would be the same diameter as supplied with the old stock filters I believe. However the large one for the adapter is rubber while, as I recall, the one with the original filter is of a fiber type material. As I think about that I'm not sure if that statement is correct. If now days the old fiber type are rubber, or they always were, please let me know. Do you use the thick or thin one? Thanks, Dan From: "Geo Hahn" To: "Dan Forgey" Cc: "triumph fot" , "triumph" Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 3:50:19 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Seals/O Rings Dan - It has been a lot of years since I installed mine so refresh my memory -- are these the same o-rings that were typically supplied with the oil filter cartridges? Seems like most cartridges came with two (thick & thin). When I had a need for one for a spin-on adapter on my other Britcar I had a few friends bring their collections of extras to Tuesday coffee and I had several to choose from that fit well. Geo On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Dan Forgey < [ mailto:cofrog at q.com | cofrog at q.com ] > wrote: Does anyone supply replacement O rings for the spin on oil filter adapter for a TR4? Thanks, Dan ** [ mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net | triumphs at autox.team.net ] ** Archive: [ http://www.team.net/archive | http://www.team.net/archive ] Forums: [ http://www.team.net/forums | http://www.team.net/forums ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 7 21:08:05 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 22:08:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New Recruit References: Len?s car will get the larger engine before long due to the large ventilation hole in the side of the 1147?s block. :-( He?s a good guy, and knowledgeable. He?s helping out his friend Dana who is working off his rookie ?X? in the car. He helped me out earlier this year with some mechanical issues with the Unipower GT at the MSR-Houston CVAR races and he and Dana paddocked next to me this time. Duncan > On May 7, 2018, at 12:46 PM, D V via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Len Root to the FOT. Len is part of the CVAR contingent and was well know at a race last year for having the fastest 1147 Spitfire in group 2?in the pouring rain. Len?s car was completed by Ed Barnard before he passed away and it would be a great help for Len to have the FOT as a resource. Somehow Len inherited an FOT flag that is hanging inside his trailer so he is already a de facto member. > > Can I get a second? > > Derek Vick > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 7 21:54:57 2018 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 22:54:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum radiators References: <37DDF672-444D-48D5-8B21-247F3E95E5C4@gmail.com> One option - not stock sized. http://www.tonydrews.com/RadiatorPage.htm Tony On 5/6/2018 2:26 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > Hi, I?m looking for a good source for an aluminum radiator for a TR4. I know this came up before, but I couldn?t get on the archive list. Thanks in advance. Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From bfeparts at aol.com Tue May 8 09:28:26 2018 From: bfeparts at aol.com (British Frame and Engine) Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 11:28:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum radiators References: <37DDF672-444D-48D5-8B21-247F3E95E5C4@gmail.com> Lorne, My TR4A racer uses the Griffin radiator that Tony posted the link for http://www.tonydrews.com/RadiatorPage.htm . Easy to install however it does not use the stock mounting points. $173.17 at Summit. With a full race motor this radiator keeps temps well below 200 deg on a HOT day at Buttonwillow. If you go with this radiator use a 10# cap to insure you get no ballooning. Brian Howlett British Frame and Engine 626-419-2786 bfeparts at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Lorne Fritz via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, May 6, 2018 2:13 pm Subject: [Fot] Aluminum radiators Hi, I?m looking for a good source for an aluminum radiator for a TR4. I know this came up before, but I couldn?t get on the archive list. Thanks in advance. Lorne_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bfeparts at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like to repaint or powder coat in silver as original. Here's a fun picture with a set of Toyo R888's that I picked up over the weekend at Buttonwillow and the original Goodyear Sports Car Specials that were on the car. There's about a 25% difference in tread width! Yes, I would love some opinions...tell me I'm nuts or I'm not...fire away! ? ? Thanks, Brad *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3345.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2155343 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grmtim at aol.com Wed May 9 04:18:40 2018 From: grmtim at aol.com (Tim Suddard) Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 02:18:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) http://team.macrosystems.us Tim Suddard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have perused the internet and found comments ranging from "dangerous, do not use" to "I've been racing mine for 50 years with no troubles". I turn to this group for advice. What would FOT do? I personally would like to use them. I have found much information on restoring them with paint and powder coat after a crack test. Some leave them natural with a coating of a substance called 'Gibbs Brand'. I would like to repaint or powder coat in silver as original. Here's a fun picture with a set of Toyo R888's that I picked up over the weekend at Buttonwillow and the original Goodyear Sports Car Specials that were on the car. There's about a 25% difference in tread width! Yes, I would love some opinions...tell me I'm nuts or I'm not...fire away! ? ? Thanks, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3345.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2155343 bytes Desc: not available URL: From markvaden at gmail.com Thu May 10 17:47:27 2018 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 16:47:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Video from VARA BE from my bro-in-law's Devon My TR4 didn't run for very long at VARA British Extravaganza, so I put my spherical camera on my Brother in law's Devon. 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Not sure about the $10. > What is that for, the T-shirt?? > > > On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 2:43 PM, John Hasty via Fot > > The web site for PVGP says the entry is $500 + $35 + $10 and you > still have to send in a paper entry form.? The paper entry form > says the entry is a donation of $500 and provides the address of > where to send it??What are we supposed to do? > > MHC-EmailSig_Attorneys_JohnHasty > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been > sent by a law firm on a legal matter. It may contain information that > > is confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise legally > exempt from disclosure. 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Pittsburgh, PA 15238 412 559-3500 ? delbianco at pvgp.org On May 13, 2018, at 6:41 AM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: Dan there may be some confusion that needs cleared up. See below. JVV From: Tony Drews via Fot Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 12:46 PM To: John Styduhar ; John Hasty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] K Cup The form I printed out has a separate line for the K-Cup @ $35. http://www.pvgp.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2018-PVGP-Racer-Application-PDF.pdf Regards, Tony Drews On 5/12/2018 5:54 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: ?Looks like the paper registration form was not updated to reflect the Kastner Cup fee. I would just write it in. Not sure about the $10. What is that for, the T-shirt?? On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 2:43 PM, John Hasty via Fot wrote: The web site for PVGP says the entry is $500 + $35 + $10 and you still have to send in a paper entry form. The paper entry form says the entry is a donation of $500 and provides the address of where to send it??What are we supposed to do? 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URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun May 13 10:43:45 2018 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 12:43:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K Cup References: , <045781DE-5EE2-4D54-9EB7-2923DF1BDE92@mhc-law.com> http://www.pvgp.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2018-PVGP-Racer-Application-PDF.pdf John this one has it. Do you have the website address that you used? If so I can get it to Dan for correction. JVV From: John Hasty Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 12:18 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: Tony Drews ; John Styduhar ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] K Cup The paper form I downloaded did not have the KC $35 on it Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: I wrote to Dan DelBianco regarding the confusion below. Here is his explanation; makes sense. The $10.00 fee is if paying via CC. JVV WPTA Coordinator. Jerry, The PDF and the ShowClix on-line registrations both show the $35 Kastner fee. The on-line fee of $10 is to help cover the 2.5% credit card fees we have to pay. The paper form does not have a $10 fee because a check is required. Could you pass this along to the chain in your email - I am not able to extract the email addresses. Sincerely, Dan DelBianco Executive Director ? Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix 1000 Gamma Drive, Suite 106 ? Pittsburgh, PA 15238 412 559-3500 ? delbianco at pvgp.org On May 13, 2018, at 6:41 AM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: Dan there may be some confusion that needs cleared up. See below. JVV From: Tony Drews via Fot Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 12:46 PM To: John Styduhar ; John Hasty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] K Cup The form I printed out has a separate line for the K-Cup @ $35. http://www.pvgp.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2018-PVGP-Racer-Application-PDF.pdf Regards, Tony Drews On 5/12/2018 5:54 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: ?Looks like the paper registration form was not updated to reflect the Kastner Cup fee. I would just write it in. 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Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: > > Anyone attending SVRA Mid Ohio next month? > > > Jeff Snook > 419-344-0319 > www.snooksdreamcars.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cudapilot at comcast.net Sun May 13 16:37:48 2018 From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia) Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 17:37:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio References: <006e01d3ead0$6bdd51c0$4397f540$@org> John Reed, Jason Ostrowski and I will be there with the Cheetah. First time racing there - any paddock recommendations? Brian Garcia > On May 13, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: > > Anyone attending SVRA Mid Ohio next month? > > > Jeff Snook > 419-344-0319 > www.snooksdreamcars.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cudapilot at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun May 13 16:43:14 2018 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 18:43:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K Cup References: <045781DE-5EE2-4D54-9EB7-2923DF1BDE92@mhc-law.com> ?I witnessed the same thing as John, but like magic, it appeared. Wonders of the web.? On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 12:18 PM, John Hasty wrote: > The paper form I downloaded did not have the KC $35 on it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 13, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Jerry Van Vlack > wrote: > > I wrote to Dan DelBianco regarding the confusion below. > Here is his explanation; makes sense. The $10.00 fee is if paying via CC. > > JVV > WPTA Coordinator. > > > Jerry, > > The PDF and the ShowClix on-line registrations both show the $35 Kastner > fee. The on-line fee of $10 is to help cover the 2.5% credit card fees we > have to pay. The paper form does not have a $10 fee because a check is > required. Could you pass this along to the chain in your email - I am not > able to extract the email addresses. > > Sincerely, > > Dan DelBianco > Executive Director ? Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix > 1000 Gamma Drive, Suite 106 ? Pittsburgh, PA 15238 > > 412 > > 559-3500 ? delbianco at pvgp.org > > On May 13, 2018, at 6:41 AM, Jerry Van Vlack > wrote: > > Dan there may be some confusion that needs cleared up. See below. > JVV > > > *From:* Tony Drews via Fot > *Sent:* Saturday, May 12, 2018 12:46 PM > *To:* John Styduhar ; John Hasty > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] K Cup > > > The form I printed out has a separate line for the K-Cup @ $35. > > http://www.pvgp.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2018- > PVGP-Racer-Application-PDF.pdf > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 5/12/2018 5:54 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > ?Looks like the paper registration form was not updated to reflect the > Kastner Cup fee. I would just write it in. Not sure about the $10. What > is that for, the T-shirt?? > > > On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 2:43 PM, John Hasty via Fot > wrote: > >> The web site for PVGP says the entry is $500 + $35 + $10 and you still >> have to send in a paper entry form. 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They have us going out a 8 after a 7:15 drivers meeting. Not much time, but someone has to go first. What really sucks, is that we have 2 orientation groups out with us on every other test session. So if we miss the 8 AM, we are out with the orientation groups every other time we are on the track. You would think that they could have at least spread the orientation groups out over all the sessions. That would have allowed all to share in that fun. We want to go have a good time and I am going with a good attitude. However we paid $700 in entry fees and I feel like the true vintage Sportscars are being treated like the outcasts at the event. I started running events at RA over 30 years ago and it may be the last time we do the Spring event at RA. I hope to report good news at the end of the event, but I am skeptical. We will have fun with some of our good friends that meeting us at the event, one way or another. Just wish the track time was not so jacked-up. Paul Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2018, at 9:59 AM, John Hasty wrote: > > Which run groups did they change? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 13, 2018, at 11:42 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > >> Jeff, >> >> We have been thinking about it. We really like SVRA, but we are really unhappy with some thinks going on at Road America next week. We are going to see what happens while we are there before making any final call on mid-Ohio. SVRA changed the run groups two days ago. We have been registered and paid since last winter. Now I feel stuffed into a mess based on the changes at the last minute. It is too bad, because we like SVRA. >> >> Paul Ricco >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 13, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: >> >>> Anyone attending SVRA Mid Ohio next month? >>> >>> >>> Jeff Snook >>> 419-344-0319 >>> www.snooksdreamcars.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been sent by a law firm on a legal matter. 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Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This was also the weekend that tech said my car wouldn?t be allowed back unless I changed the windscreen as it was a dark tint and they couldn?t see their hand thru the tint??? Go figure. It?s really tough to support an organization like this that was started and grown on the backs of small bore cares. But now the small bore cars are consistently huddled to the worst start times, run in multiple class groups and is basically being snobbed off by the big money owners and cars. I mean really an entry dollar is an entry dollar, the price is the same either way. The small bore tears up less stuff on track, causes fewer delays and typically represent themselves quite a bit better than the money runners too. I?ll probably run with them some but it sure does hurt to pay 700.00, with no enduro included, and get 2 sessions a day for three days. Do the math120.00 per 20 minutes is pretty pricey to me. And that?s in no one goofs the session before or during your session. Another thing what is the point to have the celeb?s show up and race, do we really care??? I mean does it promote more entries, I can?t imagine why. I don?t want to race Mairo, he?s gonna kick my ass in lesser equipment any day?what fun it that. Plus that?s one more session that is wedged into the days already too short on track per group schedule. Are we racing the cars for what they are/were because we enjoy it or are we putting on a show for the celebs and spectators for the benefit of the organizer?? Dang if I want to drive 8 hours one way, get less than 2 ?hot? hours on the track, drop 1750.00-2200.00 on a race weekend and not be so damn worn out that I want to skip the last session because I have had ?enough?!! Thereby my love for VDCA, if your half fast you always got someone to run with, the groups are consistent and pretty darn safe too. They are there to have FUN. If you don?t get enough track time then you got a mental issue and the price is really fair too. Granted due to having fun and the fair price we don?t go to Sonoma or Road America, but we sure wear it out where we do go I can tell you that much. I remember the early days at HSR and it?s sort of like that. Everybody there is there to beat your butt if they can, but if you need their spare distributor so they can try to beat you they will gladly let you have it. No beating and banging and cold ones after the fact. Ok I?m done, sorry if I went off on it. Just bugs the crap out of me that the groups that made vintage racing into vintage racing are now the goat in most organizations eyes. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Ricco via Fot Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:17 AM To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Jeff Snook Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio SVRA has merged group 3 with group 8 and 5A. We will be out with 911?s that make over 2 times as much power. Additionally, we paid for the test and tune day to shake the car out from winter hibernation. They have us going out a 8 after a 7:15 drivers meeting. Not much time, but someone has to go first. What really sucks, is that we have 2 orientation groups out with us on every other test session. So if we miss the 8 AM, we are out with the orientation groups every other time we are on the track. You would think that they could have at least spread the orientation groups out over all the sessions. That would have allowed all to share in that fun. We want to go have a good time and I am going with a good attitude. However we paid $700 in entry fees and I feel like the true vintage Sportscars are being treated like the outcasts at the event. I started running events at RA over 30 years ago and it may be the last time we do the Spring event at RA. I hope to report good news at the end of the event, but I am skeptical. We will have fun with some of our good friends that meeting us at the event, one way or another. Just wish the track time was not so jacked-up. Paul Sent from my iPhone Which run groups did they change? Sent from my iPhone Jeff, We have been thinking about it. We really like SVRA, but we are really unhappy with some thinks going on at Road America next week. We are going to see what happens while we are there before making any final call on mid-Ohio. SVRA changed the run groups two days ago. We have been registered and paid since last winter. Now I feel stuffed into a mess based on the changes at the last minute. It is too bad, because we like SVRA. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone Anyone attending SVRA Mid Ohio next month? Jeff Snook 419-344-0319 www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been sent by a law firm on a legal matter. 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The thread on the OE part is 10 threads per inch and so I turned the piece shown so it fit all the way to the top of the machined link and then turned the bottom of the treads off to fit a heim joint. I threaded the OE lube hole all the way to the top and use a long bolt (forget the actual size and length). So the result is similar to the Canley piece except I made mine in 1982. The original pieces I made are still on the car today. But I did make a spare set that are still on the shelf. > On May 14, 2018 at 12:17 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > I?ve been using the trunnionless front suspension vertical link on my GT6 that Canley Classics sells for the past two years. I?ve now had two fail the annual magnaflux tests. They cracked in different locations, one right at the machining line for the flat for the stub axle nut, on the back side where the steering arm passes through, and one on the upright at what appeared to be a casting mark, near the bump you see in the photo below. Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. > > I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. > > I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. > > Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkrantz77 at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[cid:image001.png at 01D3EBA5.BA68D500] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:59 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert Sure- still have both failed pieces. Fortunately they did not totally fail in action! Sent from my iPhone Any chance you?d take some pics of the actual failed part with some dots or arrows where you are seeing the cracks for us so we know better where to look for them?? Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert I?ve been using the trunnionless front suspension vertical link on my GT6 that Canley Classics sells for the past two years. I?ve now had two fail the annual magnaflux tests. They cracked in different locations, one right at the machining line for the flat for the stub axle nut, on the back side where the steering arm passes through, and one on the upright at what appeared to be a casting mark, near the bump you see in the photo below. Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. 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I have a vague recollection about towing in neutral for long distances causing excessive wear on trans output due to no oil circulation, and disconnecting the driveshaft was a better option (but a major pain in the *ss)... >> >> Tony Drews >> >> >>> On 5/1/2018 8:08 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote: >>> A friend of mine wants to flat tow a Vitesse behind his motorhome. >>> Are there any issues other than placing the transmission in neutral >>> that he needs to worry about? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger at cox.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/smockracer at charter.net > > From sjanzen at me.com Mon May 14 17:47:30 2018 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 19:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert References: <9e0232b2066d4a8096eed31dc7d3fed0@dieselperformanceparts.com> <6FA248BE-A4C1-4AE0-8C55-16FA8FD772F5@me.com> <98b7d7aa28724e34b804841394d95407@dieselperformanceparts.com> Interesting- I?ve had bad luck with the dye Pegasus sells- mangaflux shows cracks it didn?t. Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2018, at 6:05 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: > > Great, I got one set of Canley and they rest are stockers and I just bought a dye penetrant set that allows me to do it at home. I got enough Magnaflux brand dyes and developers in a kit to last me years at about 100.00 bucks on e bay. You might want to check it out as it?s more sensitive from what I know as compared to magnufluxing a part. > > > > > > MARK CRAIG > Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:59 PM > To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert > > Sure- still have both failed pieces. Fortunately they did not totally fail in action! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 14, 2018, at 5:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: > > Any chance you?d take some pics of the actual failed part with some dots or arrows where you are seeing the cracks for us so we know better where to look for them?? > > > > MARK CRAIG > Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:18 AM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert > > I?ve been using the trunnionless front suspension vertical link on my GT6 that Canley Classics sells for the past two years. I?ve now had two fail the annual magnaflux tests. They cracked in different locations, one right at the machining line for the flat for the stub axle nut, on the back side where the steering arm passes through, and one on the upright at what appeared to be a casting mark, near the bump you see in the photo below. Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. > > I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. > > I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. > > Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The other is cracked all the way through, all around - probably started at the sharp cut where it was milled, and this particular upright was cast thinner at that point than the others I have. Canley did send me the first replacement at half price, but . . . I don?t want a front wheel to come off. Now they are scrap or future garage art - the shelf of failed parts. On May 14, 2018, at 6:05 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: Great, I got one set of Canley and they rest are stockers and I just bought a dye penetrant set that allows me to do it at home. I got enough Magnaflux brand dyes and developers in a kit to last me years at about 100.00 bucks on e bay. You might want to check it out as it?s more sensitive from what I know as compared to magnufluxing a part. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert Sure- still have both failed pieces. Fortunately they did not totally fail in action! Sent from my iPhone Any chance you?d take some pics of the actual failed part with some dots or arrows where you are seeing the cracks for us so we know better where to look for them?? MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert I?ve been using the trunnionless front suspension vertical link on my GT6 that Canley Classics sells for the past two years. I?ve now had two fail the annual magnaflux tests. They cracked in different locations, one right at the machining line for the flat for the stub axle nut, on the back side where the steering arm passes through, and one on the upright at what appeared to be a casting mark, near the bump you see in the photo below. Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chuck > On May 14, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > Interesting- I?ve had bad luck with the dye Pegasus sells- mangaflux shows cracks it didn?t. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 14, 2018, at 6:05 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: >> >> Great, I got one set of Canley and they rest are stockers and I just bought a dye penetrant set that allows me to do it at home. I got enough Magnaflux brand dyes and developers in a kit to last me years at about 100.00 bucks on e bay. You might want to check it out as it?s more sensitive from what I know as compared to magnufluxing a part. >> >> >> >> >> >> MARK CRAIG >> Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. >> 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 >> www.dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> Phone: 615-834-0066 >> Fax: 615-834-9923 >> Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:59 PM >> To: DPPI - Mark Craig >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert >> >> Sure- still have both failed pieces. Fortunately they did not totally fail in action! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 14, 2018, at 5:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: >> >> Any chance you?d take some pics of the actual failed part with some dots or arrows where you are seeing the cracks for us so we know better where to look for them?? >> >> >> >> MARK CRAIG >> Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. >> 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 >> www.dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> Phone: 615-834-0066 >> Fax: 615-834-9923 >> Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:18 AM >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert >> >> I?ve been using the trunnionless front suspension vertical link on my GT6 that Canley Classics sells for the past two years. I?ve now had two fail the annual magnaflux tests. They cracked in different locations, one right at the machining line for the flat for the stub axle nut, on the back side where the steering arm passes through, and one on the upright at what appeared to be a casting mark, near the bump you see in the photo below. Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. >> >> I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. >> >> I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. >> >> Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue May 15 06:09:18 2018 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 12:09:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Failed Parts Alert References: <9e0232b2066d4a8096eed31dc7d3fed0@dieselperformanceparts.com> <6FA248BE-A4C1-4AE0-8C55-16FA8FD772F5@me.com> <98b7d7aa28724e34b804841394d95407@dieselperformanceparts.com> <829BC976-A0A2-4AA8-BE60-214CC6A1E064@gmail.com> Wow I had always heard just the opposite. Anyone need a Magnaflux Dye kit?????? [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert Mag inspection is always better than penetrant. Penetrant requires the cracks be open to the surface, mag doesn?t. The only reason to use penetrant over mag is when the material you are checking is not ferromagnetic. Chuck Interesting- I?ve had bad luck with the dye Pegasus sells- mangaflux shows cracks it didn?t. Sent from my iPhone Great, I got one set of Canley and they rest are stockers and I just bought a dye penetrant set that allows me to do it at home. I got enough Magnaflux brand dyes and developers in a kit to last me years at about 100.00 bucks on e bay. You might want to check it out as it?s more sensitive from what I know as compared to magnufluxing a part. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert Sure- still have both failed pieces. Fortunately they did not totally fail in action! Sent from my iPhone Any chance you?d take some pics of the actual failed part with some dots or arrows where you are seeing the cracks for us so we know better where to look for them?? Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert I?ve been using the trunnionless front suspension vertical link on my GT6 that Canley Classics sells for the past two years. I?ve now had two fail the annual magnaflux tests. They cracked in different locations, one right at the machining line for the flat for the stub axle nut, on the back side where the steering arm passes through, and one on the upright at what appeared to be a casting mark, near the bump you see in the photo below. Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13119 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2153 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2472 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: John Hasty [mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 7:26 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Cc: Paul Ricco ; Jeff Snook ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio Gee Mark, tell us how you really feel. But I agree that VDCA, VRG, VSCDA etc is where our cars are accepted with appropriate track time. Sent from my iPhone I got hung up in this same mess at Mid Ohio a few years ago. Tony did finally answer my e mails but the SVRA people he asked to call me and discuss about it never called. The BS reason at that time was that Rick Parents Spitfire was so fast that they got complaints on him and moved all Spits to the class that matched his lap times???????????????????????? So if Mario Andretti comes to the races in a Spec Sprite does that mean all Spec Sprites move to the GTP class???? This was also the weekend that tech said my car wouldn't be allowed back unless I changed the windscreen as it was a dark tint and they couldn't see their hand thru the tint??? Go figure. It's really tough to support an organization like this that was started and grown on the backs of small bore cares. But now the small bore cars are consistently huddled to the worst start times, run in multiple class groups and is basically being snobbed off by the big money owners and cars. I mean really an entry dollar is an entry dollar, the price is the same either way. The small bore tears up less stuff on track, causes fewer delays and typically represent themselves quite a bit better than the money runners too. I'll probably run with them some but it sure does hurt to pay 700.00, with no enduro included, and get 2 sessions a day for three days. Do the math120.00 per 20 minutes is pretty pricey to me. And that's in no one goofs the session before or during your session. Another thing what is the point to have the celeb's show up and race, do we really care??? I mean does it promote more entries, I can't imagine why. I don't want to race Mairo, he's gonna kick my ass in lesser equipment any day...what fun it that. Plus that's one more session that is wedged into the days already too short on track per group schedule. Are we racing the cars for what they are/were because we enjoy it or are we putting on a show for the celebs and spectators for the benefit of the organizer?? Dang if I want to drive 8 hours one way, get less than 2 "hot" hours on the track, drop 1750.00-2200.00 on a race weekend and not be so damn worn out that I want to skip the last session because I have had "enough"!! Thereby my love for VDCA, if your half fast you always got someone to run with, the groups are consistent and pretty darn safe too. They are there to have FUN. If you don't get enough track time then you got a mental issue and the price is really fair too. Granted due to having fun and the fair price we don't go to Sonoma or Road America, but we sure wear it out where we do go I can tell you that much. I remember the early days at HSR and it's sort of like that. Everybody there is there to beat your butt if they can, but if you need their spare distributor so they can try to beat you they will gladly let you have it. No beating and banging and cold ones after the fact. Ok I'm done, sorry if I went off on it. Just bugs the crap out of me that the groups that made vintage racing into vintage racing are now the goat in most organizations eyes. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Ricco via Fot Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio SVRA has merged group 3 with group 8 and 5A. We will be out with 911's that make over 2 times as much power. Additionally, we paid for the test and tune day to shake the car out from winter hibernation. They have us going out a 8 after a 7:15 drivers meeting. Not much time, but someone has to go first. What really sucks, is that we have 2 orientation groups out with us on every other test session. So if we miss the 8 AM, we are out with the orientation groups every other time we are on the track. You would think that they could have at least spread the orientation groups out over all the sessions. That would have allowed all to share in that fun. We want to go have a good time and I am going with a good attitude. However we paid $700 in entry fees and I feel like the true vintage Sportscars are being treated like the outcasts at the event. I started running events at RA over 30 years ago and it may be the last time we do the Spring event at RA. I hope to report good news at the end of the event, but I am skeptical. We will have fun with some of our good friends that meeting us at the event, one way or another. Just wish the track time was not so jacked-up. Paul Sent from my iPhone Which run groups did they change? Sent from my iPhone Jeff, We have been thinking about it. We really like SVRA, but we are really unhappy with some thinks going on at Road America next week. We are going to see what happens while we are there before making any final call on mid-Ohio. SVRA changed the run groups two days ago. We have been registered and paid since last winter. Now I feel stuffed into a mess based on the changes at the last minute. It is too bad, because we like SVRA. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone Anyone attending SVRA Mid Ohio next month? Jeff Snook 419-344-0319 www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been sent by a law firm on a legal matter. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. 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[http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron KRANTZ via Fot Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:36 PM To: Scott Janzen ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert This is my fix. I broke the verticle link shown in 1982 at Mid-O. The thread on the OE part is 10 threads per inch and so I turned the piece shown so it fit all the way to the top of the machined link and then turned the bottom of the treads off to fit a heim joint. I threaded the OE lube hole all the way to the top and use a long bolt (forget the actual size and length). So the result is similar to the Canley piece except I made mine in 1982. The original pieces I made are still on the car today. But I did make a spare set that are still on the shelf. I?ve been using the trunnionless front suspension vertical link on my GT6 that Canley Classics sells for the past two years. I?ve now had two fail the annual magnaflux tests. They cracked in different locations, one right at the machining line for the flat for the stub axle nut, on the back side where the steering arm passes through, and one on the upright at what appeared to be a casting mark, near the bump you see in the photo below. Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! [cid:image006.png at 01D3EC1C.D11E2710] _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13119 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2153 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2472 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can bash SVRA? all you want but for those of you who have not raced with SVRA don't believe everything you read and, I am not saying the previous opinions are not valid because they came from individual experience however keep in mind there are 2 sides to every story, also the points made are greatly exaggerated, to make a point I suppose. I will not address the comments and turn this into a pissing contest but I would like to suggest that those of you who have never raced with SVRA take the previous comments with a grain of salt and do you own research about SVRA. Mark Craig, I am truly sorry you had such a horrible experience in the past but the Spitfire thing happened 4 years ago before I started working for SVRA. I am always available for discussion at rick at svra.com for you or anyone else who has questions or comments. All the best! On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:55 AM, John Hasty via Fot wrote: Gee Mark, tell us how you really feel. ?But I agree that VDCA, VRG, VSCDA etc is where our cars are accepted with appropriate track time. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2018, at 5:22 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: #yiv9250698248 #yiv9250698248 -- _filtered #yiv9250698248 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9250698248 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9250698248 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv9250698248 #yiv9250698248 p.yiv9250698248MsoNormal, #yiv9250698248 li.yiv9250698248MsoNormal, #yiv9250698248 div.yiv9250698248MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9250698248 a:link, #yiv9250698248 span.yiv9250698248MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9250698248 a:visited, #yiv9250698248 span.yiv9250698248MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9250698248 span.yiv9250698248EmailStyle17 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv9250698248 span.yiv9250698248EmailStyle18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;}#yiv9250698248 .yiv9250698248MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv9250698248 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9250698248 div.yiv9250698248WordSection1 {}#yiv9250698248 I got hung up in this same mess at Mid Ohio a few years ago. Tony did finally answer my e mails but the SVRA people he asked to call me and discuss about it never called. The BS reason at that time was that Rick Parents Spitfire was so fast that they got complaints on him and moved all Spits to the class that matched his lap times???????????????????????? ? So if Mario Andretti comes to the races in a Spec Sprite does that mean all Spec Sprites move to the GTP class???? This was also the weekend that tech said my car wouldn?t be allowed back unless I changed the windscreen as it was a dark tint and they couldn?t see their hand thru the tint???? Go figure. ? It?s really tough to support an organization like this that was started and grown on the backs of small bore cares. But now the small bore cars are consistently huddled to the worst start times, run in multiple class groups and is basically being snobbed off by the big money owners and cars. I mean really an entry dollar is an entry dollar, the price is the same either way. The small bore tears up less stuff on track, causes fewer delays and typically represent themselves quite a bit better than the money runners too. ?I?ll probably run with them some but it sure does hurt to pay 700.00, with no enduro included, and get 2 sessions a day for three days. Do the math120.00 per 20 minutes is pretty pricey to me. And that?s in no one goofs the session before or during your session. ? Another thing what is the point to have the celeb?s show up and race, do we really care??? I mean does it promote more entries, I can?t imagine why. I don?t want to race Mairo, he?s gonna kick my ass in lesser equipment any day?what fun it that. Plus that?s one more session that is wedged into the days already too short on track per group schedule. ? Are we racing the cars for what they are/were because we enjoy it or are we putting on a show for the celebs and spectators for the benefit of the organizer?? ?Dang if I want to drive 8 hours one way, get less than 2 ?hot? hours on the track, drop 1750.00-2200.00 on a race weekend and not be so damn worn out that I want to skip the last session because I have had ?enough?!! ? Thereby my love for VDCA, if your half fast you always got someone to run with, the groups are consistent and pretty darn safe too. They are there to have FUN. If you don?t get enough track time then you got a mental issue and the price is really fair too. Granted due to having fun and the fair price we don?t go to Sonoma or Road America, but we sure wear it out where we do go I can tell you that much. I remember the early days at HSR and it?s sort of like that. Everybody there is there to beat your butt if they can, but if you need their spare distributor so they can try to beat you they will gladly let you have it. No beating and banging and cold ones after the fact. ? Ok I?m done, sorry if I went off on it. Just bugs the crap out of me that the groups that made vintage racing into vintage racing are now the goat in most organizations eyes. ? | | ? | Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com | | ?? | ? | ? Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com ? | ? ? From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul Ricco via Fot Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:17 AM To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Jeff Snook Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio ? SVRA has merged group 3 with group 8 and 5A. We will be out with 911?s that make over 2 times as much power. Additionally, we paid for the test and tune day to shake the car out from winter hibernation. They have us going out a 8 after a 7:15 drivers meeting. Not much time, but someone has to go first. What really sucks, is that we have 2 orientation groups out with us on every other test session. So if we miss the 8 AM, we are out with the orientation groups every other time we are on the track. You would think that they could have at least spread the orientation groups out over all the sessions. That would have allowed all to share in that fun.? ? We want to go have a good time and I am going with a good attitude. ? However we paid $700 in entry fees and I feel like the true vintage Sportscars are being treated like the outcasts at the event. ?I started running events at RA over 30 years ago and it may be the last time we do the Spring event at RA. I hope to report good news at the end of the event, but I am skeptical.? ? We will have fun with some of our good friends that meeting us at the event, one way or another. Just wish the track time was not so jacked-up.? ? Paul ? Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2018, at 9:59 AM, John Hasty wrote: Which run groups did they change? Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2018, at 11:42 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Jeff, ? We have been thinking about it. ?We really like SVRA, but we are really unhappy with some thinks going on at Road America next week. We are going to see what happens while we are there before making any final call on mid-Ohio. SVRA changed the run groups two days ago. We have been registered and paid since last winter. Now I feel stuffed into a mess based on the changes at the last minute. It is too bad, because we like SVRA.? ? Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: Anyone attending SVRA Mid Ohio next month? ? ? 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URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue May 15 08:00:40 2018 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 14:00:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio References: <006e01d3ead0$6bdd51c0$4397f540$@org> <75F13C47-F7F3-49CD-9159-B8418D0CD8DE@att.net> <45A28AC7-8C72-4C21-846E-1ACDC1BB0057@mhc-law.com> <1ACE4640-6525-4981-ABE4-3B9F0576469A@att.net> <735f87c7f68c40ba9394c68f76a625be@dieselperformanceparts.com> <374809417.1434543.1526388932225@mail.yahoo.com> Rick, Glad you chimed in, and you are right things can and do change and opinions are just that. But that is what these sort of forums are for too?right? Yes my experience is old, but it seems to have come around again in this new grouping of the classification for the race in question. Right, wrong, perceived or real it always seems the small bore classes get the bottom rung on the ladder. Hey you should have taken the reason they chunked us in with Lotus?s, 911?s, 240Z?s and such as a compliment to your ability to make that dang Spit run so fast LOL!!!! I would also refute your comment of how I called SVRA a bad organization, please reread what I wrote as I took quite a bit of time to make sure it was about the incident and NOT the organization. SVRA is a well-run operation, and they are nice people, the functions come off pretty darn well. I never ?bashed? SRVA as you say, it was all about the various incidents that happened to me in first person experience. There was no exaggeration at all, I was there. I am not sure but I don?t even think you were at that race but I can?t remember. I am guessing any data you would have gotten would have been from people at SVRA, maybe that would also be skewed to the SVRA side of the table possibly??? Who knows. The bottom line is I spent a lot of money to play, got put in a class where there was no one to play with, complained and got an un sensible answer. Seems the same thing is happening again at the race in question?? I took the time to send e mails (more than once) finally got a response that I would be hearing from specific individuals that never called. I own my own business and know how damaging it can be if you don?t follow up on complaints and make sure they are handled as best as they can be. If mine had been given any consideration maybe we wouldn?t be talking right now. I also understand mine wasn?t the only complaint on the same event and same issues. I won?t name names but they got the same results I did. I do really appreciate the apology, that was not necessary but tells of your sincerity. Like I said I will run with SVRA but it sure is difficult to do it a lot of times with the run groups being so short and with so many different classes in said group that don?t ?match?. Hey maybe this is a wake up to all vintage organizations that less groups of ?stuff? and more track time is the key vs celebrity races and two wheel races and a lot of the other stuff that gets in the way of the reason we all do this?track time. Maybe you and I can change the vintage world ??..now that?s a scary thought!!!! I am sure I will see you somewhere and I hope you?ll be glad to shake my hand. I know I will be more than happy to shake yours. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Rick Parent [mailto:rick.parent at att.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:56 AM To: John Hasty ; DPPI - Mark Craig Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jeff Snook Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio Just thought I would weigh in here, fist of all let me say I am all about free speech and voting with your checkbook and would not have it any other way but when one side goes on and on about how bad an organization is without rebuttal it gets a little old plus as major contributors to this forum one would assume these individuals would are experts on this subject when the realty is its just another guy with an opinion, kind of like watching the news ;-). You can bash SVRA all you want but for those of you who have not raced with SVRA don't believe everything you read and, I am not saying the previous opinions are not valid because they came from individual experience however keep in mind there are 2 sides to every story, also the points made are greatly exaggerated, to make a point I suppose. I will not address the comments and turn this into a pissing contest but I would like to suggest that those of you who have never raced with SVRA take the previous comments with a grain of salt and do you own research about SVRA. All the best! Gee Mark, tell us how you really feel. But I agree that VDCA, VRG, VSCDA etc is where our cars are accepted with appropriate track time. Sent from my iPhone I got hung up in this same mess at Mid Ohio a few years ago. Tony did finally answer my e mails but the SVRA people he asked to call me and discuss about it never called. The BS reason at that time was that Rick Parents Spitfire was so fast that they got complaints on him and moved all Spits to the class that matched his lap times???????????????????????? So if Mario Andretti comes to the races in a Spec Sprite does that mean all Spec Sprites move to the GTP class???? This was also the weekend that tech said my car wouldn?t be allowed back unless I changed the windscreen as it was a dark tint and they couldn?t see their hand thru the tint??? Go figure. It?s really tough to support an organization like this that was started and grown on the backs of small bore cares. But now the small bore cars are consistently huddled to the worst start times, run in multiple class groups and is basically being snobbed off by the big money owners and cars. I mean really an entry dollar is an entry dollar, the price is the same either way. The small bore tears up less stuff on track, causes fewer delays and typically represent themselves quite a bit better than the money runners too. I?ll probably run with them some but it sure does hurt to pay 700.00, with no enduro included, and get 2 sessions a day for three days. Do the math120.00 per 20 minutes is pretty pricey to me. And that?s in no one goofs the session before or during your session. Another thing what is the point to have the celeb?s show up and race, do we really care??? I mean does it promote more entries, I can?t imagine why. I don?t want to race Mairo, he?s gonna kick my ass in lesser equipment any day?what fun it that. Plus that?s one more session that is wedged into the days already too short on track per group schedule. Are we racing the cars for what they are/were because we enjoy it or are we putting on a show for the celebs and spectators for the benefit of the organizer?? Dang if I want to drive 8 hours one way, get less than 2 ?hot? hours on the track, drop 1750.00-2200.00 on a race weekend and not be so damn worn out that I want to skip the last session because I have had ?enough?!! Thereby my love for VDCA, if your half fast you always got someone to run with, the groups are consistent and pretty darn safe too. They are there to have FUN. If you don?t get enough track time then you got a mental issue and the price is really fair too. Granted due to having fun and the fair price we don?t go to Sonoma or Road America, but we sure wear it out where we do go I can tell you that much. I remember the early days at HSR and it?s sort of like that. Everybody there is there to beat your butt if they can, but if you need their spare distributor so they can try to beat you they will gladly let you have it. No beating and banging and cold ones after the fact. Ok I?m done, sorry if I went off on it. Just bugs the crap out of me that the groups that made vintage racing into vintage racing are now the goat in most organizations eyes. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Ricco via Fot Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio SVRA has merged group 3 with group 8 and 5A. We will be out with 911?s that make over 2 times as much power. Additionally, we paid for the test and tune day to shake the car out from winter hibernation. They have us going out a 8 after a 7:15 drivers meeting. Not much time, but someone has to go first. What really sucks, is that we have 2 orientation groups out with us on every other test session. So if we miss the 8 AM, we are out with the orientation groups every other time we are on the track. You would think that they could have at least spread the orientation groups out over all the sessions. That would have allowed all to share in that fun. We want to go have a good time and I am going with a good attitude. However we paid $700 in entry fees and I feel like the true vintage Sportscars are being treated like the outcasts at the event. I started running events at RA over 30 years ago and it may be the last time we do the Spring event at RA. I hope to report good news at the end of the event, but I am skeptical. We will have fun with some of our good friends that meeting us at the event, one way or another. Just wish the track time was not so jacked-up. Paul Sent from my iPhone Which run groups did they change? Sent from my iPhone Jeff, We have been thinking about it. We really like SVRA, but we are really unhappy with some thinks going on at Road America next week. We are going to see what happens while we are there before making any final call on mid-Ohio. SVRA changed the run groups two days ago. We have been registered and paid since last winter. Now I feel stuffed into a mess based on the changes at the last minute. It is too bad, because we like SVRA. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone Anyone attending SVRA Mid Ohio next month? Jeff Snook 419-344-0319 www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been sent by a law firm on a legal matter. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. 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The cracks are out there, we just gotta find them in time... Glen -----Original Message----- From: DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 8:54 am Subject: [Fot] FW: Failed Parts Alert Wow I had always heard just the opposite. Anyone need a Magnaflux Dye kit?????? MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From:chasgee22 at gmail.com [mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:11 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: DPPI - Mark Craig ;fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert Mag inspection is always better than penetrant. Penetrant requires the cracks be open to the surface, mag doesn?t. The only reason to use penetrant over mag is when the material you are checking is not ferromagnetic. Chuck On May 14, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: Interesting- I?ve had bad luck with the dye Pegasus sells- mangaflux shows cracks it didn?t. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2018, at 6:05 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: Great, I got one set of Canley and they rest are stockers and I just bought a dye penetrant set that allows me to do it at home. I got enough Magnaflux brand dyes and developers in a kit to last me years at about 100.00 bucks on e bay. You might want to check it out as it?s more sensitive from what I know as compared to magnufluxing a part. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:59 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert Sure- still have both failed pieces. Fortunately they did not totally fail in action! Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2018, at 5:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: Any chance you?d take some pics of the actual failed part with some dots or arrows where you are seeing the cracks for us so we know better where to look for them?? MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:18 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert I?ve been using the trunnionless front suspension vertical link on my GT6 that Canley Classics sells for the past two years. I?ve now had two fail the annual magnaflux tests. They cracked in different locations, one right at the machining line for the flat for the stub axle nut, on the back side where the steering arm passes through, and one on the upright at what appeared to be a casting mark, near the bump you see in the photo below. Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13119 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2153 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Video came out pretty cool - this is a 360 video so if you view it in google chrome you can rotate the view in any direction. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amh8bzs51Sg&t=228s > > -Mark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue May 15 12:05:38 2018 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 14:05:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Track conditions at Summit Point Does anyone have information on the current track and weather conditions at Summit Point? Weather forecast is very grim for the Jefferson 500. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: BCE_0044 (Large).JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 245769 bytes Desc: not available URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed May 16 08:08:03 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 10:08:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Important Stuff... Amici... No real need for me to preach to the FOT choir here! Most all FOT members know Joe Alexander, our multi-talented, tireless cheerleader, choreographer, and an FOT founding father. So no real need indeed. But then, our Joe does have one well-known short suit. Joe lacks an inclination to toot his own horn. So I would like to step forward and toot it for him. Come next month, on June 2nd, Joe joins a very prestigious group as one of the 2018 inductees into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. This year's group of inductees also includes other Triumph family members Tom Householder, Joe Huffaker and Bill Piggott. Our marque is already well represented in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame by Tony Adamcwicz, Sir John Black, Mike Cook, Robert Johns, Kas Kastner and Bob Tullius. And for the record, some of the other folks in the Hall include Donald Healey, Geoff Healey, Sir William Lyons, Sir Stirling Moss, W.O. Bentley, David Brown, Colin Chapman, and Carroll Shelby. No question about it, Joe is joining some pretty fast company. Congratulations are certainly in order. Incidentally, Householder, is also an FOTer and a long time friend of mine. Tom is described in one of the British Sports Car Hall of Fame announcements as a true 'anorak'. Concerned, that word sent me to the dictionary to ensure it had nothing to do with sexual perversion. It does not! It is actually a noun that means a warm, hooded, water-proofed garment worn in polar regions. But this is the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, and in fact the British have a special, second meaning for 'anorak'. They use it to describe an obsessed enthusiast, when referring to a studious person, especially somebody who is excessively devoted to a particular hobby or interest. Given Householder's lifelong obsession with the Swallow Doretti...that description might fits him like a glove. Joe Alexander, on the other hand, while dedicated to Triumph, is more eclectic, and as such not qualified as a 'true anorak'. He has other interests. He keeps threatening to retire from the forefront of Triumph related activities. He wants to get on to another phase of his life. Perhaps he will, but I am not going to hold my breath. This Triumph stuff is in his blood. At big Triumph gatherings, Joe can be found standing over in the corner, quiet, but with a big smile on his face. Dig into the details. You will usually find out that the event you're having such a good time at has his finger prints all over it. If not the total choreographer, he is usually an instigator. He plans ahead, and keeps us focused. We owe him a lot....and he deserves to be in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. Congratulations! Bill Dentinger Horn Tooter . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed May 16 10:53:43 2018 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 16:53:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Important Stuff... References: <16369477b21-179c-c597@webjas-vac162.srv.aolmail.net> WOW, a big congrats to Joe! Vince Amici... No real need for me to preach to the FOT choir here! Most all FOT members know Joe Alexander, our multi-talented, tireless cheerleader, choreographer, and an FOT founding father. So no real need indeed. But then, our Joe does have one well-known short suit. Joe lacks an inclination to toot his own horn. So I would like to step forward and toot it for him. Come next month, on June 2nd, Joe joins a very prestigious group as one of the 2018 inductees into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. This year's group of inductees also includes other Triumph family members Tom Householder, Joe Huffaker and Bill Piggott. Our marque is already well represented in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame by Tony Adamcwicz, Sir John Black, Mike Cook, Robert Johns, Kas Kastner and Bob Tullius. And for the record, some of the other folks in the Hall include Donald Healey, Geoff Healey, Sir William Lyons, Sir Stirling Moss, W.O. Bentley, David Brown, Colin Chapman, and Carroll Shelby. No question about it, Joe is joining some pretty fast company. Congratulations are certainly in order. Incidentally, Householder, is also an FOTer and a long time friend of mine. Tom is described in one of the British Sports Car Hall of Fame announcements as a true 'anorak'. Concerned, that word sent me to the dictionary to ensure it had nothing to do with sexual perversion. It does not! It is actually a noun that means a warm, hooded, water-proofed garment worn in polar regions. But this is the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, and in fact the British have a special, second meaning for 'anorak'. They use it to describe an obsessed enthusiast, when referring to a studious person, especially somebody who is excessively devoted to a particular hobby or interest. Given Householder's lifelong obsession with the Swallow Doretti...that description might fits him like a glove. Joe Alexander, on the other hand, while dedicated to Triumph, is more eclectic, and as such not qualified as a 'true anorak'. He has other interests. He keeps threatening to retire from the forefront of Triumph related activities. He wants to get on to another phase of his life. Perhaps he will, but I am not going to hold my breath. This Triumph stuff is in his blood. At big Triumph gatherings, Joe can be found standing over in the corner, quiet, but with a big smile on his face. Dig into the details. You will usually find out that the event you're having such a good time at has his finger prints all over it. If not the total choreographer, he is usually an instigator. He plans ahead, and keeps us focused. We owe him a lot....and he deserves to be in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. Congratulations! Bill Dentinger Horn Tooter . _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed May 16 13:20:33 2018 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 19:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Track conditions at Summit Point References: Hi - The on-line weather forecasts all say that it will rain like a beyatch(*) THU and FRI with drying conditions for SAT and SUN. You have a bilge pump, right? (*) around three inches of rain predicted over THU and FRI. Seek higher ground as paddock space. c ya,Bob Lang On Wednesday, May 16, 2018, 2:54:38 AM EDT, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: Does anyone have information on the current track and weather conditions at Summit Point?? Weather forecast is very grim for the Jefferson 500. Thanks_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed May 16 06:25:09 2018 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 08:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Track conditions at Summit Point References: John, go on NOAA website. Their forecasts are usually accurate. Have fun. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: John Styduhar via Fot To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Track conditions at Summit Point Does anyone have information on the current track and weather conditions at Summit Point? Weather forecast is very grim for the Jefferson 500. Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano at yahoo.com Wed May 16 18:16:24 2018 From: bschirano at yahoo.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 00:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Important Stuff... References: <16369477b21-179c-c597@webjas-vac162.srv.aolmail.net> Thanks for Everything Joe! 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell? BSchirano at yahoo.com On Wednesday, May 16, 2018, 12:32:48 PM EDT, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Amici... No real need for me to preach to the FOT choir here!? Most all FOT members know Joe Alexander, our multi-talented, tireless cheerleader, choreographer, and an FOT founding father.? So no real need indeed.? But then, our Joe does have one well-known short suit.? Joe lacks an inclination to toot his own horn.? So I would like to step forward and toot it for him.? Come next month, on June 2nd, Joe joins a very prestigious group as one of the 2018 inductees into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.? This year's group of inductees also includes other Triumph family members Tom Householder, Joe Huffaker and Bill Piggott.? Our marque is already well represented in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame by Tony Adamcwicz, Sir John Black, Mike Cook, Robert Johns, Kas Kastner and Bob Tullius.? And for the record, some of the other folks in the Hall include Donald Healey, Geoff Healey, Sir William Lyons, Sir Stirling Moss, W.O. Bentley, David Brown, Colin Chapman, and Carroll Shelby.? No question about it, Joe is joining some pretty fast company.? Congratulations are certainly in order. Incidentally, Householder, is also an FOTer and a long time friend of mine.? Tom is described in one of the British Sports Car Hall of Fame announcements as a true 'anorak'.? Concerned, that word sent me to the dictionary to ensure it had nothing to do with sexual perversion.? It does not!? It is actually a noun that means a warm, hooded, water-proofed garment worn in polar regions.? But this is the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, and in fact the British have a special, second meaning for 'anorak'.? They use it to describe an obsessed enthusiast, when referring to a studious person, especially somebody who is excessively devoted to a particular hobby or interest. Given Householder's lifelong obsession with the Swallow Doretti...that description might fits him like a glove.? Joe Alexander, on the other hand, while dedicated to Triumph, is more eclectic, and as such not qualified as a 'true anorak'.? He has other interests.? He keeps threatening to retire from the forefront of Triumph related activities.? He wants to get on to another phase of his life.? Perhaps he will, but I am not going to hold my breath.? This Triumph stuff is in his blood.? At big Triumph gatherings, Joe can be found standing over in the corner, quiet, but with a big smile on his face.? Dig into the details.? You will usually find out that the event you're having such a good time at has his finger prints all over it.? If not the total choreographer, he is usually an instigator.? He plans ahead, and keeps us focused.? We owe him a lot....and he deserves to be in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. Congratulations! Bill DentingerHorn Tooter . ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 16 19:25:53 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 21:25:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Important Stuff... References: <16369477b21-179c-c597@webjas-vac162.srv.aolmail.net> Nice that Joe is being recognized so widely. Duncan > On May 16, 2018, at 12:53 PM, Vince G via Fot wrote: > > WOW, a big congrats to Joe! > > Vince > > >> Amici... >> >> No real need for me to preach to the FOT choir here! Most all FOT members know Joe Alexander, our multi-talented, tireless cheerleader, choreographer, and an FOT founding father. So no real need indeed. But then, our Joe does have one well-known short suit. Joe lacks an inclination to toot his own horn. So I would like to step forward and toot it for him. Come next month, on June 2nd, Joe joins a very prestigious group as one of the 2018 inductees into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. This year's group of inductees also includes other Triumph family members Tom Householder, Joe Huffaker and Bill Piggott. Our marque is already well represented in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame by Tony Adamcwicz, Sir John Black, Mike Cook, Robert Johns, Kas Kastner and Bob Tullius. And for the record, some of the other folks in the Hall include Donald Healey, Geoff Healey, Sir William Lyons, Sir Stirling Moss, W.O. Bentley, David Brown, Colin Chapman, and Carroll Shelby. No question about it, Joe is joining some pretty fast company. Congratulations are certainly in order. >> >> Incidentally, Householder, is also an FOTer and a long time friend of mine. Tom is described in one of the British Sports Car Hall of Fame announcements as a true 'anorak'. Concerned, that word sent me to the dictionary to ensure it had nothing to do with sexual perversion. It does not! It is actually a noun that means a warm, hooded, water-proofed garment worn in polar regions. But this is the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, and in fact the British have a special, second meaning for 'anorak'. They use it to describe an obsessed enthusiast, when referring to a studious person, especially somebody who is excessively devoted to a particular hobby or interest. Given Householder's lifelong obsession with the Swallow Doretti...that description might fits him like a glove. Joe Alexander, on the other hand, while dedicated to Triumph, is more eclectic, and as such not qualified as a 'true anorak'. He has other interests. He keeps threatening to retire from the forefront of Triumph related activities. He wants to get on to another phase of his life. Perhaps he will, but I am not going to hold my breath. This Triumph stuff is in his blood. At big Triumph gatherings, Joe can be found standing over in the corner, quiet, but with a big smile on his face. Dig into the details. You will usually find out that the event you're having such a good time at has his finger prints all over it. If not the total choreographer, he is usually an instigator. He plans ahead, and keeps us focused. 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John   On Wed, 16 May 2018 10:08:03 -0400, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote:   Amici...   No real need for me to preach to the FOT choir here!  Most all FOT members know Joe Alexander, our multi-talented, tireless cheerleader, choreographer, and an FOT founding father.  So no real need indeed.  But then, our Joe does have one well-known short suit.  Joe lacks an inclination to toot his own horn.  So I would like to step forward and toot it for him.  Come next month, on June 2nd, Joe joins a very prestigious group as one of the 2018 inductees into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.  This year's group of inductees also includes other Triumph family members Tom Householder, Joe Huffaker and Bill Piggott.  Our marque is already well represented in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame by Tony Adamcwicz, Sir John Black, Mike Cook, Robert Johns, Kas Kastner and Bob Tullius.  And for the record, some of the other folks in the Hall include Donald Healey, Geoff Healey, Sir William Lyons, Sir Stirling Moss, W.O. Bentley, David Brown, Colin Chapman, and Carroll Shelby.  No question about it, Joe is joining some pretty fast company.  Congratulations are certainly in order.   Incidentally, Householder, is also an FOTer and a long time friend of mine.  Tom is described in one of the British Sports Car Hall of Fame announcements as a true 'anorak'.  Concerned, that word sent me to the dictionary to ensure it had nothing to do with sexual perversion.  It does not!  It is actually a noun that means a warm, hooded, water-proofed garment worn in polar regions.  But this is the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, and in fact the British have a special, second meaning for 'anorak'.  They use it to describe an obsessed enthusiast, when referring to a studious person, especially somebody who is excessively devoted to a particular hobby or interest. Given Householder's lifelong obsession with the Swallow Doretti...that description might fits him like a glove.  Joe Alexander, on the other hand, while dedicated to Triumph, is more eclectic, and as such not qualified as a 'true anorak'.  He has other interests.  He keeps threatening to retire from the forefront of Triumph related activities.  He wants to get on to another phase of his life.  Perhaps he will, but I am not going to hold my breath.  This Triumph stuff is in his blood.  At big Triumph gatherings, Joe can be found standing over in the corner, quiet, but with a big smile on his face.  Dig into the details.  You will usually find out that the event you're having such a good time at has his finger prints all over it.  If not the total choreographer, he is usually an instigator.  He plans ahead, and keeps us focused.  We owe him a lot....and he deserves to be in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.   Congratulations!   Bill Dentinger Horn Tooter     .   _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We appreciate all the support and are sorry for the inconvenience of all who made travel plans to attend our event. Thanks for your understand. Safe travels. Jim Karamanis & Cal Trumbo Event Chairs, VRG Jefferson 500 The Vintage Racer Group -- *From Vintage Racer Group to Russ Moore at spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com* Delivered by MotorsportReg.com, 15 Arcangel Way, San Rafael, California 94903, USA Unsubscribe: https://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/public.unsubscribe/c/5008E0BD-CAC6-1A61-89E2CE0E79FD7B31/d/69C2CBEC-3C51-449A-A39FD5880A5ADE34/v/cf36f114d7c2f7f901bfce371ce7156e From sjanzen at me.com Thu May 17 08:21:43 2018 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Track conditions at Summit Point References: <8C1E5CA374C04051AE5C1293570919AF@hpd530> VRG just sent an email cancelling the event at Summit Point. Glad I wend home last night. As I left, the paddock was still filling up, but 60 out of 240 entries had already cancelled. Summit is supposed to get up to 4? of rain between last night and Friday night, probably more Saturday. I?ve never heard of them doing this before. It?s a big financial hit for the club, as this event subsidizes many of the others. Nonetheless, the right thing to do. On May 17, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Hi Gang, Summit Point and Mid Ohio, both great tracks, seem to have a reputation of having monsoon rains at nearly every event. Part of the fun, I guess. Stay dry, have fun. Cheers, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Track conditions at Summit Point > > I?m here road to track & turn 5 under water > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> John, go on NOAA website. Their forecasts are usually accurate. >> Have fun. >> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:05 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Track conditions at Summit Point >>> >>> Does anyone have information on the current track and weather conditions at Summit Point? Weather forecast is very grim for the Jefferson 500. 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The upright Canley sells no longer > looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, > away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but > between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to > rectify, I would no longer recommend these. > > I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in > the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. > > I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing > https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main > difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or > grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where > the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and > for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He > further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by > the same people that made the Stanpart units. > > Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and > get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and > this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it > for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off > engine parts where the real dollars get spent! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu May 17 09:21:39 2018 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (Dean Tetterton) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 11:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson 500 canceled MotorsportReg has sent out an e-mail that the Jefferson 500 has been cancelled. Decision by the VRG Board. 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Definitely try to > stay in the higher paddock spaces if you can. > > John > > > On Wed, 16 May 2018 19:20:33 +0000 (UTC), Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > > Hi - The on-line weather forecasts all say that it will rain like a beyatch(*) THU and FRI with drying conditions for SAT and SUN. > > You have a bilge pump, right? > > (*) around three inches of rain predicted over THU and FRI. Seek higher ground as paddock space. > > c ya, > Bob Lang > > On Wednesday, May 16, 2018, 2:54:38 AM EDT, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > > Does anyone have information on the current track and weather conditions at Summit Point? Weather forecast is very grim for the Jefferson 500. 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Weber carb main jets/air corrector, make the mix richer or leaner? Thanks Bud Sent from my Commodore 64 From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Thu May 17 13:29:36 2018 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 14:29:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Important Stuff... References: <16369477b21-179c-c597@webjas-vac162.srv.aolmail.net> Well deserved. Way to go Joe. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Amici... > > No real need for me to preach to the FOT choir here! Most all FOT members know Joe Alexander, our multi-talented, tireless cheerleader, choreographer, and an FOT founding father. So no real need indeed. But then, our Joe does have one well-known short suit. Joe lacks an inclination to toot his own horn. So I would like to step forward and toot it for him. Come next month, on June 2nd, Joe joins a very prestigious group as one of the 2018 inductees into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. This year's group of inductees also includes other Triumph family members Tom Householder, Joe Huffaker and Bill Piggott. Our marque is already well represented in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame by Tony Adamcwicz, Sir John Black, Mike Cook, Robert Johns, Kas Kastner and Bob Tullius. And for the record, some of the other folks in the Hall include Donald Healey, Geoff Healey, Sir William Lyons, Sir Stirling Moss, W.O. Bentley, David Brown, Colin Chapman, and Carroll Shelby. No question about it, Joe is joining some pretty fast company. Congratulations are certainly in order. > > Incidentally, Householder, is also an FOTer and a long time friend of mine. Tom is described in one of the British Sports Car Hall of Fame announcements as a true 'anorak'. Concerned, that word sent me to the dictionary to ensure it had nothing to do with sexual perversion. It does not! It is actually a noun that means a warm, hooded, water-proofed garment worn in polar regions. But this is the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, and in fact the British have a special, second meaning for 'anorak'. They use it to describe an obsessed enthusiast, when referring to a studious person, especially somebody who is excessively devoted to a particular hobby or interest. Given Householder's lifelong obsession with the Swallow Doretti...that description might fits him like a glove. Joe Alexander, on the other hand, while dedicated to Triumph, is more eclectic, and as such not qualified as a 'true anorak'. He has other interests. He keeps threatening to retire from the forefront of Triumph related activities. He wants to get on to another phase of his life. Perhaps he will, but I am not going to hold my breath. This Triumph stuff is in his blood. At big Triumph gatherings, Joe can be found standing over in the corner, quiet, but with a big smile on his face. Dig into the details. You will usually find out that the event you're having such a good time at has his finger prints all over it. If not the total choreographer, he is usually an instigator. He plans ahead, and keeps us focused. We owe him a lot....and he deserves to be in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. > > Congratulations! > > Bill Dentinger > Horn Tooter > > > . > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu May 17 19:49:53 2018 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 20:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America Update FOT, SVRA brought great weather with them from Texas to Road America. It was in the 60?s and sunny all day. Registration went easy. Tech was smooth and efficient. All around very professional. Some really cool cars have shown up which makes our spare time more fun. Although we are the only Triumph at the event, we are in good paddock company with the Healey?s and Volvos. Good weekend to all and sorry for those effected by the weather at the Jefferson 500. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone From igofaster at att.net Thu May 17 19:57:11 2018 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 01:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing in the rain References: <554B3383-F11C-4B0D-8980-D0F72C82C724@comcast.net> your showing your age Bobby Whitehead sent from my Tandy 10 On Thursday, May 17, 2018 5:15 PM, Elwyn Rolofson via Fot wrote: Rain everywhere. Looks like we'll be in rain all day Saturday for our RMVR spring race. So I have a couple questions regarding wet track tire pressures and cool temps and high humidity effects on fuel mix. Tire pressure, increase? Weber carb main jets/air corrector, make the mix richer or leaner? Thanks Bud Sent from my Commodore 64 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri May 18 06:55:25 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 08:55:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing in the rain References: <554B3383-F11C-4B0D-8980-D0F72C82C724@comcast.net> Bud, Consider that your tires won?t heat up on a wet track. I raise the pressures on mine. Duncan > On May 17, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Elwyn Rolofson via Fot wrote: > > Rain everywhere. Looks like we'll be in rain all day Saturday for our RMVR spring race. So I have a couple questions regarding wet track tire pressures and cool temps and high humidity effects on fuel mix. > > > Tire pressure, increase? > > Weber carb main jets/air corrector, make the mix richer or leaner? > > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri May 18 08:03:35 2018 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 14:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1961 Triumph TR 4 for sale BAT References: <1283305327.2709047.1526652215928.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Friends I have this car for sale on BAT. It was owned and raced by the gentleman racer,??Mr. Don Brick for years as a member of the Beady Eye Triumph Team. It was purchased from him by my son in 2006. He was only able to do a few races with it before family and job obligations took over his time to enjoy it. I then became care taker, getting the body straightened and resprayed plus freshening up the engine. I did a couple of races with it also. I am retiring from wheel to wheel racing having attained the age where I should stop before I do something stupid.Check it out. Tell your friends. I would like for someone to be having fun with it. Ken Suhre -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Fri May 18 08:19:45 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 10:19:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing in the rain References: <554B3383-F11C-4B0D-8980-D0F72C82C724@comcast.net> Pump up the tires, loosen sway bar (s), humidity is going to make it go rich. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Elwyn Rolofson via Fot To: FOT Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 6:23 pm Subject: [Fot] Racing in the rain Rain everywhere. Looks like we'll be in rain all day Saturday for our RMVR spring race. So I have a couple questions regarding wet track tire pressures and cool temps and high humidity effects on fuel mix. Tire pressure, increase? Weber carb main jets/air corrector, make the mix richer or leaner? Thanks Bud Sent from my Commodore 64 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri May 18 10:55:47 2018 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 16:55:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] wheels Does anyone have a set of 15 x 5.5 or 6" wheels they want to part with? 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Dye Penetrant is good but unless you know how to use the dye, clean excess dye, and how to apply the developer white powder you can miss detecting cracks. Too much dye, excessive cleaning of dye and over application of developer are all ways to mask cracks. Stick with magnetic particle and you?ll find those cracks. Less mess too. JVV From: DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FW: Failed Parts Alert Wow I had always heard just the opposite. Anyone need a Magnaflux Dye kit?????? Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: chasgee22 at gmail.com [mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:11 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: DPPI - Mark Craig ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert Mag inspection is always better than penetrant. Penetrant requires the cracks be open to the surface, mag doesn?t. The only reason to use penetrant over mag is when the material you are checking is not ferromagnetic. Chuck On May 14, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: Interesting- I?ve had bad luck with the dye Pegasus sells- mangaflux shows cracks it didn?t. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2018, at 6:05 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: Great, I got one set of Canley and they rest are stockers and I just bought a dye penetrant set that allows me to do it at home. I got enough Magnaflux brand dyes and developers in a kit to last me years at about 100.00 bucks on e bay. You might want to check it out as it?s more sensitive from what I know as compared to magnufluxing a part. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:59 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Subject: Re: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert Sure- still have both failed pieces. Fortunately they did not totally fail in action! Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2018, at 5:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig wrote: Any chance you?d take some pics of the actual failed part with some dots or arrows where you are seeing the cracks for us so we know better where to look for them?? Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:18 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Failed Parts Alert I?ve been using the trunnionless front suspension vertical link on my GT6 that Canley Classics sells for the past two years. I?ve now had two fail the annual magnaflux tests. They cracked in different locations, one right at the machining line for the flat for the stub axle nut, on the back side where the steering arm passes through, and one on the upright at what appeared to be a casting mark, near the bump you see in the photo below. Neither crack was visible to the eye. The upright Canley sells no longer looks exactly like the photo - it now has a machined area on the back side, away from the wheel, much like stock ones. Maybe I just had bad luck, but between two cracks and some binding issues at the ball joint I had to rectify, I would no longer recommend these. I started using the Canley units when the stock ones developed cracks in the traditional place at the top end of the threads where the trunnion is. I have now installed uprights I got from Jigsaw Racing https://jigsawracingservices.com - Mark Field, in England. The main difference from stock is they are not drilled for a grease fitting or grease boring down into the trunnion, which should make them stronger where the stock ones usually fail. Mark races Spitfires and GT6s for himself and for customers in vintage racing and claims he has never had a failure. He further claims that the units are made in the original forging molds and by the same people that made the Stanpart units. Main point is, even though it?s a pain, pull your critical parts off and get them magnafluxed at least once in a while. I?ve become paranoid and this is now an annual exercise. The machine shop I go to usually does it for free while I am watching, probably because I?m usually dropping off engine parts where the real dollars get spent! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He was only able to do a few races with it before family and job obligations took over his time to enjoy it. I then became care taker, getting the body straightened and resprayed plus freshening up the engine. I did a couple of races with it also. I am retiring from wheel to wheel racing having attained the age where I should stop before I do something stupid.Check it out. Tell your friends. I would like for someone to be having fun with it. Ken Suhre_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue May 22 16:24:54 2018 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 22:24:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Famous Beady Eye Trailer is for sale again! Hello Friends, The famous Beady Eye Racing Team trailer is for sale again! I need something with a few more amenities, now that my lovely wife is traveling to the track with me more often. It's been a fine trailer for me but we'd like to have a bathroom and shower in the trailer if we're living in it for the weekend. 1992 Pace American 8'x20' box trailer. Outfitted with pegboard inside both sides and doors and a cabinets up front with bench top, a vice and a tool box. Nifty fold-down table amidships. Long box on the interior wheel arch for storage of more canopy poles than you'll ever need. Folding table storage on the other wheel arch. Comes with an electric winch, though it's smarter than me and I can't make it work (I haven't much cared, since I just drive the car in). Located in Appleton WI $3,000 >From Bill's original description of it to me: As built: Rated 7,000 GVW Payload 4,100 lbs Curb weight 2,900lbs Tongue weight 290 lbs Electric brakes, in good working order (rebuilt 2014, maybe 5,000 miles since then) Load transfer bars (weight-distributing hitch) Anti-sway bar Florescent lighting (nice and bright in there), plus 12-volt lights powered by the on-board battery After-market American Racing Outlaw allow wheels (5) White oak ramps, with aluminum ends -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue May 22 20:08:36 2018 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 02:08:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Famous Beady Eye Trailer is for sale again! References: <84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CB317B5@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> PS, I'd like it to go quickly and have priced it accordingly. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 Hello Friends, The famous Beady Eye Racing Team trailer is for sale again! I need something with a few more amenities, now that my lovely wife is traveling to the track with me more often. It?s been a fine trailer for me but we?d like to have a bathroom and shower in the trailer if we?re living in it for the weekend. 1992 Pace American 8?x20? box trailer. Outfitted with pegboard inside both sides and doors and a cabinets up front with bench top, a vice and a tool box. Nifty fold-down table amidships. Long box on the interior wheel arch for storage of more canopy poles than you?ll ever need. Folding table storage on the other wheel arch. Comes with an electric winch, though it?s smarter than me and I can?t make it work (I haven?t much cared, since I just drive the car in). Located in Appleton WI $3,000 >From Bill?s original description of it to me: As built: Rated 7,000 GVW Payload 4,100 lbs Curb weight 2,900lbs Tongue weight 290 lbs Electric brakes, in good working order (rebuilt 2014, maybe 5,000 miles since then) Load transfer bars (weight-distributing hitch) Anti-sway bar Florescent lighting (nice and bright in there), plus 12-volt lights powered by the on-board battery After-market American Racing Outlaw allow wheels (5) White oak ramps, with aluminum ends From billdentin at aol.com Tue May 22 21:00:17 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 23:00:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Famous Beady Eye Trailer is for sale again! References: <84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CB317B5@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Scott.. We always loaded the race cars by hand when there was more than one crew member available. But I'd use that winch if I was alone at the shop. Albeit a tad Mickey Mouse, that winch works fine. The secret is to spend a couple of hours practicing on some Saturday afternoon at home. Get trained. Don't wait until it is an emergency at the track sometime, all alone and with a wounded race car. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, May 22, 2018, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Hello Friends, The famous Beady Eye Racing Team trailer is for sale again! I need something with a few more amenities, now that my lovely wife is traveling to the track with me more often. It?s been a fine trailer for me but we?d like to have a bathroom and shower in the trailer if we?re living in it for the weekend. 1992 Pace American 8?x20? box trailer. Outfitted with pegboard inside both sides and doors and a cabinets up front with bench top, a vice and a tool box. Nifty fold-down table amidships. Long box on the interior wheel arch for storage of more canopy poles than you?ll ever need. Folding table storage on the other wheel arch. Comes with an electric winch, though it?s smarter than me and I can?t make it work (I haven?t much cared, since I just drive the car in). Located in Appleton WI $3,000 >From Bill?s original description of it to me: As built: Rated 7,000 GVW Payload 4,100 lbs Curb weight 2,900lbs Tongue weight 290 lbs Electric brakes, in good working order (rebuilt 2014, maybe 5,000 miles since then) Load transfer bars (weight-distributing hitch) Anti-sway bar Florescent lighting (nice and bright in there), plus 12-volt lights powered by the on-board battery After-market American Racing Outlaw allow wheels (5) White oak ramps, with aluminum ends _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Outfitted with pegboard inside both sides and doors and a cabinets up front with bench top, a vice and a tool box. Nifty fold-down table amidships. Long box on the interior wheel arch for storage of more canopy poles than you?ll ever need. Folding table storage on the other wheel arch. Comes with an electric winch, though it?s smarter than me and I can?t make it work (I haven?t much cared, since I just drive the car in). Located in Appleton WI $3,000 >From Bill?s original description of it to me: As built: Rated 7,000 GVW Payload 4,100 lbs Curb weight 2,900lbs Tongue weight 290 lbs Electric brakes, in good working order (rebuilt 2014, maybe 5,000 miles since then) Load transfer bars (weight-distributing hitch) Anti-sway bar Florescent lighting (nice and bright in there), plus 12-volt lights powered by the on-board battery After-market American Racing Outlaw allow wheels (5) White oak ramps, with aluminum ends _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Wed May 23 08:20:02 2018 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 09:20:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Membership on Friends of Triumph References: <9A539C35-3C2E-4689-A2D4-A4803B2AEBF1@aol.com> <6058CDBC-55EC-465F-9CF5-0A6918DC9843@motorsportranch.com> Dennis, Have you started to receive emails from ?fot at autox.team.net? yet? You might add that address to your contacts so they won?t go to ?junk?. Let me know if I need to send a follow up to the administrator to get this completed. I?ll be coming to the CVAR races next. Hope to se you there. John Frymark > On May 11, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Dennis wrote: > > Thanks John! Have not received any notice yet, but I'm a total novice on Facebook, computers, etc. I will have to get my kids to show me how to pull up the site. Lol > > Thanks > > Dennis Walje > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 11, 2018, at 6:26 PM, John Frymark wrote: >> >> Dennis, >> It was good to meet you at ECR last weekend and talk about GT6s. I submitted you for membership (really just inclusion on the email threads... no formal organization nor dues) and Duncan Charlton racing the Unipower GT seconded. Have received any notice from the webmaster? >> >> John Frymark >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> > From timmmurphh at gmail.com Wed May 23 12:00:29 2018 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 13:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Schedule for July races in PA (K cup) Is there a preliminary schedule for the races at the Pittsburgh International Race Complex in July including the K cup? If so, where can I access it? Tim Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some are from when it was brand new, the others were taken today. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JYLZukiRI- UqlKy56gw-8T46ineiStj4?usp=sharing Its 34 feet long, gooseneck hitch, with full living quarters, including beds in the front riser section, full galley and complete bath with shower, toilet and sink. There's a 15000 btu AC on the roof that has an internal heat strip in case you don't want to run the propane furnace in the winter. The fridge is a regular full size RV unit, with propane or electric operation. There's a propane stove and built in microwave, water heater, etc. When you get to the track and push the car out, the garage area converts to living room, with 2 recliners and windows on both sides. There are two foldable sofa beds for the rear. The photos when it was new show both sofas near the front, but we took one out and moved one to the rear. Both come with it so it can be set up however you want. We tow with a 2005 Chevy 2500 crew cab diesel with a short 6.5 ft bed. I designed the trailer with a tapered front, so it can turn at least 80 degrees without hitting the cab. I wouldn't tow it with a half ton, but it tows great with the 3/4 ton truck. I spoke to the factory recently and they said a new one configured like this would cost about $32,000 now and I should be able to get $20,000 for this one. So, I'm asking $18,500. If someone wants a, complete rig, we can talk about a package deal with the truck, which has only 133,000 miles on it and is loaded, with leather, etc. For that matter, if someone wants a really complete rig, we could talk about the ready to race Spitfire 1147 shown in one of the photos. Any questions, please get in touch. Don Marshall 904-259-9668 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed May 23 16:07:35 2018 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 22:07:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Famous Beady Eye Trailer is for sale again! References: <84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CB317B5@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <663FED4D2792483A.41730a97-9a2a-4dee-9bbc-d66e4e39af56@mail.outlook.com> I believe the trailer is sold! Thanks for all the interest. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Famous Beady Eye Trailer is for sale again! PS, I'd like it to go quickly and have priced it accordingly. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 Hello Friends, The famous Beady Eye Racing Team trailer is for sale again! I need something with a few more amenities, now that my lovely wife is traveling to the track with me more often. It's been a fine trailer for me but we'd like to have a bathroom and shower in the trailer if we're living in it for the weekend. 1992 Pace American 8'x20' box trailer. Outfitted with pegboard inside both sides and doors and a cabinets up front with bench top, a vice and a tool box. Nifty fold-down table amidships. Long box on the interior wheel arch for storage of more canopy poles than you'll ever need. Folding table storage on the other wheel arch. Comes with an electric winch, though it's smarter than me and I can't make it work (I haven't much cared, since I just drive the car in). Located in Appleton WI $3,000 >From Bill's original description of it to me: As built: Rated 7,000 GVW Payload 4,100 lbs Curb weight 2,900lbs Tongue weight 290 lbs Electric brakes, in good working order (rebuilt 2014, maybe 5,000 miles since then) Load transfer bars (weight-distributing hitch) Anti-sway bar Florescent lighting (nice and bright in there), plus 12-volt lights powered by the on-board battery After-market American Racing Outlaw allow wheels (5) White oak ramps, with aluminum ends _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu May 3 11:37:54 2018 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 17:37:54 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse References: <376d8139-48fb-091c-5815-61cc1b75463d@tonydrews.com> <30A9F853-1972-4FAE-BB96-3C144687A5C1@gmail.com> <84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA57CAA2F39@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> I think overfilling and running could result in leakage past seals and make a mess. Like Scott says disconnect the driveshaft. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 8:49 AM To: Duncan Charlton ; Tony Drews ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: Brad Kahler Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse It's just so easy to remove those four bolts that connect the drive shaft flange to the diff flange. Why not do it? It'll take 10 minutes. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton via Fot Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 3:55 PM To: Tony Drews Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Subject: Re: [Fot] Flat towing a Vitesse If that?s the case he could just overfill the gearbox before towing and then lower the level when done. That way the main shaft would still run in oil. Duncan From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu May 24 18:50:21 2018 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 20:50:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Schedule for July races in PA (K cup) References: <000201d3f2bf$f41ddef0$dc599cd0$@gmail.com> http://www.pvgp.org/drivers/pvgp-historic-races/schedule/ On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 2:00 PM, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: > Is there a preliminary schedule for the races at the Pittsburgh > International Race Complex in July including the K cup? If so, where can I > access it? > > > > Tim Murphy > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62005 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:50:21 PM To: Timothy Murphy Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Schedule for July races in PA (K cup) http://www.pvgp.org/drivers/pvgp-historic-races/schedule/ Is there a preliminary schedule for the races at the Pittsburgh International Race Complex in July including the K cup? If so, where can I access it? Tim Murphy _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com Fri May 25 06:44:20 2018 From: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Tim Suddard) Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 08:44:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Schedule for July races in PA (K cup) References: <000201d3f2bf$f41ddef0$dc599cd0$@gmail.com> Used to pick them up at the Carlisle Import swap meet. I did see one there this year. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 Classic Motorsports Concours d?Lemons at Monterey - August 25 Grassroots Motorsports $2017 Challenge - Oct. 12-13 > On May 25, 2018, at 7:44 AM, Jeff Gerken via Fot wrote: > > Hello all. Where does one go to get taillight assembly?s for a 69 TR6? > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:50:21 PM > To: Timothy Murphy > Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Schedule for July races in PA (K cup) > > http://www.pvgp.org/drivers/pvgp-historic-races/schedule/ > > Is there a preliminary schedule for the races at the Pittsburgh International Race Complex in July including the K cup? If so, where can I access it? > > Tim Murphy > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Fri May 25 06:45:30 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 08:45:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found References: <6DBC7806-A52C-408A-B1FA-BCBB8282C786@grassrootsmotorsports.com> "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. ;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 Classic Motorsports Concours d?Lemons at Monterey - August 25 Grassroots Motorsports $2017 Challenge - Oct. 12-13 > On May 25, 2018, at 8:45 AM, fubog1 wrote: > > > "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" > > Answers- > 1- Anything can be saved > 2- YES! > 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". > > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Suddard via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found > > And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. > > After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. > > So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher: > Grassroots Motorsports magazine > Classic Motorsports magazine > > Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 > www.? ;GrassrootsMotorsports.com > www.ClassicMotorsports.com > > 915 Ridgewood Avenue > Holly Hill, FL 32117 > > Upcoming Events: > > Upcoming Events: > Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 > Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 > Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 > > > <20180414_151453.jpeg> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. > > After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. > > So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher: > Grassroots Motorsports magazine > Classic Motorsports magazine > > Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 > www. ;GrassrootsMotorsports.com > www.ClassicMotorsports.com > > 915 Ridgewood Avenue > Holly Hill, FL 32117 > > Upcoming Events: > > Upcoming Events: > Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 > Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 > Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Holsenback was the person who raced it back then. That?s pretty much all I know. He passed away in 2007 and apparently the car/spares were sold to the person in Oklahoma City, from whom I obtained it in 2010. See you all in Pittsburgh! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY PS: SAVE it! > On May 25, 2018, at 8:45 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > > "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" > > Answers- > 1- Anything can be saved > 2- YES! > 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". > > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Suddard via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found > > And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. > > After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. > > So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher: > Grassroots Motorsports magazine > Classic Motorsports magazine > > Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? 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Glen -----Original Message----- From: Rick McCurdy To: fubog1 Cc: tim ; fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 10:33 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found Speaking of old race cars, is anyone familiar with this one: Raced in the Wichita Region in the 1980s... Now it looks like this: Racing with VSCCA in the northeast. I?d love to find out more of its history. John Holsenback was the person who raced it back then. That?s pretty much all I know. He passed away in 2007 and apparently the car/spares were sold to the person in Oklahoma City, from whom I obtained it in 2010. See you all in Pittsburgh! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY PS: SAVE it! On May 25, 2018, at 8:45 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. 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Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. ;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Either choice would be good and appreciated by fans. MHO PS - or restore the left side (left half) and leave the right half as is - right down the middle. Cool display as the life of a race car. ? Get Outlook for iOS On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 8:53 AM -0500, "fubog1 via Fot" wrote: "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone.? Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239?0573 www.?;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events:? Upcoming Events:? Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track?Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain?Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff?Cruise-in - August 21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62005 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20180414_151453.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 630345 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. ;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 <20180414_151453.jpeg> _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 25 09:34:34 2018 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 11:34:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Schedule for July races in PA (K cup) References: <000201d3f2bf$f41ddef0$dc599cd0$@gmail.com> Call Scott Harper at Team Triumph in Ohio. Good prices and a warehouse full of used parts Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Tim Suddard via Fot wrote: > > Used to pick them up at the Carlisle Import swap meet. I did see one there this year. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher: > Grassroots Motorsports magazine > Classic Motorsports magazine > > Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 > www. GrassrootsMotorsports.com > www.ClassicMotorsports.com > > 915 Ridgewood Avenue > Holly Hill, FL 32117 > > Upcoming Events: > Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 > Classic Motorsports Concours d?Lemons at Monterey - August 25 > Grassroots Motorsports $2017 Challenge - Oct. 12-13 > >> On May 25, 2018, at 7:44 AM, Jeff Gerken via Fot wrote: >> >> Hello all. Where does one go to get taillight assembly?s for a 69 TR6? >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:50:21 PM >> To: Timothy Murphy >> Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Schedule for July races in PA (K cup) >> >> http://www.pvgp.org/drivers/pvgp-historic-races/schedule/ >> >>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 2:00 PM, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: >>> Is there a preliminary schedule for the races at the Pittsburgh International Race Complex in July including the K cup? If so, where can I access it? >>> >>> Tim Murphy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri May 25 11:06:58 2018 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 13:06:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found References: <6DBC7806-A52C-408A-B1FA-BCBB8282C786@grassrootsmotorsports.com> Tim, I thought Donna Mae's car was found and restored a few years back. The car and Donna Mae herself were at the SVRA race at Mid Ohio a few years ago. I thought you were there too. Donna Mae was a hoot. Did she drive more than one? Good question about restorations too. It's sure to bring up a lot of discussion. See you at Pittsburgh. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 7:16 AM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62005 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed Dunn Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE Suite 423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 x 7012 [cid:image001.jpg at 01D3F412.45EE9A50] From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Suddard via Fot Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 4:16 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 [cid:image003.jpg at 01D3F412.45EE9A50] [cid:image005.jpg at 01D3F412.45EE9A50] [cid:image007.jpg at 01D3F412.45EE9A50] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Short of that, it could be no more than a recreation of a specific car. -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fubog1 ; tim ; fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found ? So if you have George Washington's axe and the head falls of and breaks and you replace it and a few years later the handle is rotten and it breaks and you replace it, is it still Washington's axe? http://thomas-galvin.com/blog/george-washingtons-axe/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 via Fot To: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. ;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was building a TR-3 for SCCA racing at the same time (1983), and I had John have a set of those fenders made up for my TR-3.? I raced the TR-3 at The Runoffs in 1983, but could never get it to go as fast as my TR-4, so I sold the TR-3 to Dirk Reimer, from Granbury, Texas (I think).? He crashed it pretty seriously at The Runoffs a few years later.? Some old memories. Jack Wheeler On Friday, May 25, 2018, 1:30:15 PM EDT, fubog1 via Fot wrote: It looks like the same roll bar, in which case it will have the original SCCA logbook number stamped into it.With that info, you may be able to get more info from older members of that SCCA region.Good luck! Glen -----Original Message----- From: Rick McCurdy To: fubog1 Cc: tim ; fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 10:33 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found Speaking of old race cars, is anyone familiar with this one:Raced in the Wichita Region in the 1980s...Now it looks like this: Racing with VSCCA in the northeast. I?d love to find out more of its history. John Holsenback was the person who raced it back then. That?s pretty much all I know. He passed away in 2007 and apparently the car/spares were sold to the person in Oklahoma City, from whom I obtained it in 2010. See you all in Pittsburgh! Rick McCurdy?Newburgh, NY PS: SAVE it! On May 25, 2018, at 8:45 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers-1- Anything can be saved2- YES!3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone.? Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239?0573 www.?;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events:? Upcoming Events:? 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So if you have George Washington's axe and the head falls of and breaks and you replace it and a few years later the handle is rotten and it breaks and you replace it, is it still Washington's axe? http://thomas-galvin.com/blog/george-washingtons-axe/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 via Fot To: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. ;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Get Outlook for iOS On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 1:47 PM -0500, "Ashley Page via Fot" wrote: Use what?s salvageable, document via ?truth is in the photo? during the restoration and you have an honest car. Or preserve as is and hang it from the rafters. Either choice would be good and appreciated by fans. MHO PS - or restore the left side (left half) and leave the right half as is - right down the middle. Cool display as the life of a race car. ? Get Outlook for iOS On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 8:53 AM -0500, "fubog1 via Fot" wrote: "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone.? Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239?0573 www.?;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events:? Upcoming Events:? Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track?Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain?Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff?Cruise-in - August 21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62005 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20180414_151453.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 630345 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. ;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 <20180414_151453.jpeg> _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot <20180414_151453.jpeg> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.fot-racing.com&c=E,1,j1v43Xu9HaUgCFrr0GjkExAbnClrOk1y-xa9tZzsglxWViFSFZxZwbvPi1TX6D-kbRoLG34vzph7BgGLUiBQmpa4hosIBOf5uw1rZwRKErjhIUai&typo=1 Archive: https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.team.net%2fpipermail%2ffot&c=E,1,v6IgUVJQGTCJE4pKogEj0bQ2DZ5h_cs4BUDbBlYD1yhxOOfCNUH4e-F2YtKvvM047sRAh0khkQtl23YTLPHYC3uqEafgZMfH0fgpSisOr8qT1MEA684SQgDE&typo=1 From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri May 25 14:20:47 2018 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 15:20:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found References: <6DBC7806-A52C-408A-B1FA-BCBB8282C786@grassrootsmotorsports.com> <16397551abc-c91-7b87@webjas-vaa173.srv.aolmail.net> <89FD537D228D44B291513417053CAEF3@Charly> The axe: No, nothing remains. BUT, presuming the head is a sturdy piece of steel that lasts forever (with occasional sharpening) while the handle is an item expected to deteriorate over time and be replaced, as long as you have the head it?s Washington?s axe. The head is what made it an axe, the handle is just a stick. (But the replacement handle also has to be a stick, not some modern carbon fiber piece). Or (upon reading that link) what if G.Washington himself replaced that handle, then continued to use the axe. And later broke the head and attached a new one. And continued to use it. Yep, still Washington?s axe. Maybe not the one he chopped the cherry tree down with, but still his. Even if he replaced only one part of it, still his. Ditto the TR3 ? as long as you have the commission plate and the frame to which it was attached, anything else that was a replaceable item when Gp. 44 (or Mims) had it can be replaced. Fenders get crunched, replace it. Motors blow, replace it. Axles break, replace it. Tullius would have, Mims would have. What is not replaced in all that is the setup. If the suspension setup is what Tullius et al did originally, then that?s just repairs/restoration. If you just slap a stock suspension back on it, it?s no longer what Gp. 44 built. If it was a stock TR3 (or even someone else?s TR3 racer) that you set up identical to the Gp. 44 specs, that?s a replica. If I attach a piece that came from Gp. 44 on my car that doesn?t make mine a Gp. 44 car. But if I get what was once a Gp. 44 car and fix what needs fixing, still a Gp. 44 car (as long as I don?t change it away from what was originally the Gp. 44 car ... as long as I don?t attach that carbon fiber handle to GW?s original axe). When my Spitfire was turned into a race car I painted it in a couple of Ford colors I liked, but under the hood I kept a small strip of the original Wedgewood Blue to show what it was originally. If I had the Mims car and found a piece of the original pink, I think I?d preserve that under some clearcoat to illustrate what it was originally. --Rocky Entriken From: Charly Mitchel via Fot Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 9:52 AM To: fubog1 ; tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found So if you have George Washington's axe and the head falls of and breaks and you replace it and a few years later the handle is rotten and it breaks and you replace it, is it still Washington's axe? http://thomas-galvin.com/blog/george-washingtons-axe/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 via Fot To: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 http://www. /;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See this one for an example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-2004-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-FUEL-SHUTOFF-INERTIA-SWITCH-OEM-XF32-9341-AA/263697645174?fits=Make%3AFord&epid=1323989635&hash=item3d659abe76:g:o4YAAOSw9hRa15-y Good luck! Jamie PalmerAustin Powerless Racing On Friday, May 25, 2018, 3:33:45 PM EDT, riverside--- via Fot wrote: I am assisting in the design of a vintage racer wiring harness andwonder if anyone is using an inertial switch to kill the fuel pump so it will automatically stop in the event of an impact.Is any one using such a setup and what would you recommendfor a switch??art d_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri May 25 16:17:00 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 18:17:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found References: <6DBC7806-A52C-408A-B1FA-BCBB8282C786@grassrootsmotorsports.com> <15D31CC7B4F242B8A180F28ED58EA4B9@hpd530> My neighbor, two doors away here in Las Vegas, is from Pittsburg, and claims to have known Donna Mae as a neighbor growing up.? I'll ask him what he knows. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tobin via Fot To: Tim Suddard ; fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found ? Tim, I thought Donna Mae's car was found and restored a few years back. The car and Donna Mae herself were at the SVRA race at Mid Ohio a few years ago. I thought you were there too. Donna Mae was a hoot. Did she drive more than one? Good question about restorations too. It's sure to bring up a lot of discussion. See you at Pittsburgh. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 7:16 AM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone.? Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239?0573 www.?;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events:? Upcoming Events:? Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track?Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain?Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff?Cruise-in - August 21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BUT, presuming the head is a sturdy piece of steel that lasts forever (with occasional sharpening) while the handle is an item expected to deteriorate over time and be replaced, as long as you have the head it?s Washington?s axe. The head is what made it an axe, the handle is just a stick. (But the replacement handle also has to be a stick, not some modern carbon fiber piece). Or (upon reading that link) what if G.Washington himself replaced that handle, then continued to use the axe. And later broke the head and attached a new one. And continued to use it. Yep, still Washington?s axe. Maybe not the one he chopped the cherry tree down with, but still his. Even if he replaced only one part of it, still his. Ditto the TR3 ? as long as you have the commission plate and the frame to which it was attached, anything else that was a replaceable item when Gp. 44 (or Mims) had it can be replaced. Fenders get crunched, replace it. Motors blow, replace it. Axles break, replace it. Tullius would have, Mims would have. What is not replaced in all that is the setup. If the suspension setup is what Tullius et al did originally, then that?s just repairs/restoration. If you just slap a stock suspension back on it, it?s no longer what Gp. 44 built. If it was a stock TR3 (or even someone else?s TR3 racer) that you set up identical to the Gp. 44 specs, that?s a replica. If I attach a piece that came from Gp. 44 on my car that doesn?t make mine a Gp. 44 car. But if I get what was once a Gp. 44 car and fix what needs fixing, still a Gp. 44 car (as long as I don?t change it away from what was originally the Gp. 44 car ... as long as I don?t attach that carbon fiber handle to GW?s original axe). When my Spitfire was turned into a race car I painted it in a couple of Ford colors I liked, but under the hood I kept a small strip of the original Wedgewood Blue to show what it was originally. If I had the Mims car and found a piece of the original pink, I think I?d preserve that under some clearcoat to illustrate what it was originally. --Rocky Entriken From: Charly Mitchel via Fot Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 9:52 AM To: fubog1 ; tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found So if you have George Washington's axe and the head falls of and breaks and you replace it and a few years later the handle is rotten and it breaks and you replace it, is it still Washington's axe? http://thomas-galvin.com/blog/george-washingtons-axe/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 via Fot To: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" Answers- 1- Anything can be saved 2- YES! 3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation". Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? 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Tim, I thought Donna Mae's car was found and restored a few > years back. The car and Donna Mae herself were at the SVRA race at > Mid Ohio a few years ago. I thought you were there too. Donna Mae was > a hoot. Did she drive more than one? Good question about restorations > too. It's sure to bring up a lot of discussion. See you at > Pittsburgh. Cheers, Bill ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- FROM: Tim > Suddard via Fot TO: fot at autox.team.net SENT: Friday, May 25, 2018 > 7:16 AM SUBJECT: [Fot] Group 44 car found > And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill > Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I > might be a good caretaker for them. > After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his > dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very > rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for > Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original > red paint and pink paint on the car. > So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical > conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). > Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or > all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from > correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, > much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. > Tim Suddard > Publisher: > Grassroots Motorsports magazine > Classic Motorsports magazine > > Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 > www. GrassrootsMotorsports.com > www.ClassicMotorsports.com > > 915 Ridgewood Avenue > Holly Hill, FL 32117 > > Upcoming Events: > > Upcoming Events: > Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 > Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 > Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 > ------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat May 26 05:39:26 2018 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 07:39:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] safety switches References: <9DD61CE68458460BB0E927E6CDF25902@rileyPC> Art, I fitted one to a road car (1971 Morgan Plus 8) so I?m not sure how a race car?s level of vibration and sudden jolts to a stiffer suspension would affect it. I pulled one out of a junkyard Ford Taurus. I put it where I can reset it from the driver?s seat but have never had to reset it in 20,000 miles or so of mostly road use and a small amount of short road course track and autocross use. Duncan > On May 25, 2018, at 11:27 AM, riverside--- via Fot wrote: > > I am assisting in the design of a vintage racer wiring harness and > wonder if anyone is using an inertial switch to kill the fuel > pump so it will automatically stop in the event of an impact. > Is any one using such a setup and what would you recommend > for a switch? > > art d > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com Sat May 26 05:42:51 2018 From: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Tim Suddard) Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 07:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Group 44 car found References: <59936.1527328623@bransonauction.com> Jim, She drove a Bugeye, which might be what you are thinking. I talked to Bob Tullius, who I have come to know well and who lives near me now, and he definitely built her a TR3 for the 1965 season, because as Bob phrased it, she was tired of getting beat in her MGB by the TR3s. So I am pretty sure she drove an MGB as well. I got a lot of correspondence between Donna Mae and Bill Emery, who owned the car, I now have. They definitely knew each other pretty well and talked about him having her old car. The car I got was originally red and then was painted pink, which is in accordance to the whole story. There are certainly not many pink TR3s. I also have a letter from Emery (actually to someone on the FOT list, as I remember), where he described who the previous owners of this Group 44 car were and what parts were still on it and what he used on his race car, the bottom one on the stack. Others mentioned what could be saved on this car. A cursory inspection tells us the frame, rear end, inner fender wells up front, and some of the other body panels are savable. The rest of the front end, some interior parts etc. are in boxes that came with it. It blows my mind that the previous owner had had the car for at least 20 years, knew it was a Group 44 car and let it rust in his back yard and used it for parts, even cutting the left rear off of it and attaching it to his race car, again the bottom one on the stack. As for the George Washington?s axe analogy, I totally get that, but there is quite a bit of original axe here and still usable. And everything I do and would to to this car goes right on to our website and into our magazine, so I have no desire to deceive anyone. As for the danger in stacking the cars, they are strapped to one another, and out in my pole barn, so they are perfectly safe. The reason they are stacked, is the with all the other future projects I have out there and the room that my mighty ramp truck, that I will be brining to Pittsburgh, takes, I am starting to have to stack things up a bit. The car on the bottom of the stack was raced or hill climbed since nearly new and has quite a history of SCCA racing. Other than the ugly flares and cage it could probably be gotten ready for Pittsburgh. it is that complete and nice. I don?t really want to dismantle it to save the Group 44 car, as it is a nice car with its own history. So that?s where things are at. I don?t need three TR3 race cars, but it appears that is now my number. I will let things sit as they are in the pole barn, until I get a couple more project cars done and then figure out a more decisive plan. See you all soon. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 Classic Motorsports Concours d?Lemons at Monterey - August 25 Grassroots Motorsports $2017 Challenge - Oct. 12-13 > On May 26, 2018, at 5:57 AM, jcox--- via Fot wrote: > > > Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found > Check with Jeff Moore, Automotive Archeologists. That was Donna Mae?s HP Sprite. > Jim Cox > Branson, MO. > Jcox at bransonauction.com > www.bransonauction.com > > On Fri 25/05/18 11:06 , Bill Tobin via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent: >> ? Tim, I thought Donna Mae's car was found and restored a few >> years back. The car and Donna Mae herself were at the SVRA race at >> Mid Ohio a few years ago. I thought you were there too. Donna Mae was >> a hoot. Did she drive more than one? Good question about restorations >> too. It's sure to bring up a lot of discussion. See you at >> Pittsburgh. Cheers, Bill ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- FROM: Tim >> Suddard via Fot TO: fot at autox.team.net SENT: Friday, May 25, 2018 >> 7:16 AM SUBJECT: [Fot] Group 44 car found >> And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill >> Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I >> might be a good caretaker for them. >> After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his >> dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very >> rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for >> Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original >> red paint and pink paint on the car. >> So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical >> conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). >> Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or >> all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from >> correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, >> much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. >> Tim Suddard >> Publisher: >> Grassroots Motorsports magazine >> Classic Motorsports magazine >> >> Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 >> www. 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URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat May 26 07:22:47 2018 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 06:22:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] safety switches References: <9DD61CE68458460BB0E927E6CDF25902@rileyPC> On 5/26/18 4:39 AM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > I fitted one to a road car (1971 Morgan Plus 8) so I???m not sure how > a race car???s level of vibration and sudden jolts to a stiffer > suspension would affect it. ?I pulled one out of a junkyard Ford > Taurus. ?I put it where I can reset it from the driver???s seat but > have never had to reset it in 20,000 miles or so of mostly road use > and a small amount of short road course track and autocross use. > I fitted one out of an '80s Mustang into my leaf sprung Land Rover when I converted the truck to EFI. I placed it in easy reach of the driver's seat in case it wanted to turn off while I was rock crawling or driving across river rocks. After a decade of off road travel with a leaf sprung truck there have been no negative issues with it. Besides. if it gives you trouble you can always remove the safety feature. TeriAnn From fubog1 at aol.com Sat May 26 10:01:58 2018 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 12:01:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] safety switches OK that testimony from TeriAnn makes the point, that settles it with me... Glen 40 years driving an old leafer I fitted one out of an '80s Mustang into my leaf sprung Land Rover -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot To: fot Sent: Sat, May 26, 2018 10:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] safety switches On 5/26/18 4:39 AM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:> I fitted one to a road car (1971 Morgan Plus 8) so I???m not sure how > a race car???s level of vibration and sudden jolts to a stiffer > suspension would affect it. I pulled one out of a junkyard Ford > Taurus. I put it where I can reset it from the driver???s seat but > have never had to reset it in 20,000 miles or so of mostly road use > and a small amount of short road course track and autocross use.>I fitted one out of an '80s Mustang into my leaf sprung Land Rover when I converted the truck to EFI. I placed it in easy reach of the driver's seat in case it wanted to turn off while I was rock crawling or driving across river rocks. After a decade of off road travel with a leaf sprung truck there have been no negative issues with it. Besides. if it gives you trouble you can always remove the safety feature.TeriAnn_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat May 26 10:24:06 2018 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 12:24:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found References: <6DBC7806-A52C-408A-B1FA-BCBB8282C786@grassrootsmotorsports.com> <15D31CC7B4F242B8A180F28ED58EA4B9@hpd530> <163996054c6-c94-ad31@webjas-vac075.srv.aolmail.net> Perhaps reach out to the SCCA Steel Cities Region who know Bill well and must have some historical notes about him as well as D M Mims. I believe Bill was honored and there was a nice article written about him by Steel Cities within the past few years. It wasn?t to long ago that Mims worked the grid at Pitt Race aka known as Beaver Run complete with pink gloves as I recall. JVV PS Bill it?s Pittsburgh with an h at the end. We?re a proud bunch . Home of the WPTA. From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 6:17 PM To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net ; tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found My neighbor, two doors away here in Las Vegas, is from Pittsburg, and claims to have known Donna Mae as a neighbor growing up. I'll ask him what he knows. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tobin via Fot To: Tim Suddard ; fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found ? Tim, I thought Donna Mae's car was found and restored a few years back. The car and Donna Mae herself were at the SVRA race at Mid Ohio a few years ago. I thought you were there too. Donna Mae was a hoot. Did she drive more than one? Good question about restorations too. It's sure to bring up a lot of discussion. See you at Pittsburgh. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 7:16 AM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 http://www. /;GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Upcoming Events: Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge - May 18-19 Classic Motorsports Smoky Mountain Tour - June 10-15 Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62005 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheap effective safety measure.Rich On ?Saturday?, ?May? ?26?, ?2018? ?12?:?49?:?11? ?AM? ?EDT, Jamie Palmer via Fot wrote: Art, I've always been afraid to put one on a race car, probably due to some of the unorthodox racing lines our team decides to take (!).? However, I have used the Ford inertia switch in my street Triumphs whenever I have converted to an electric fuel pump.?? See this one for an example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-2004-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-FUEL-SHUTOFF-INERTIA-SWITCH-OEM-XF32-9341-AA/263697645174?fits=Make%3AFord&epid=1323989635&hash=item3d659abe76:g:o4YAAOSw9hRa15-y Good luck! Jamie PalmerAustin Powerless Racing On Friday, May 25, 2018, 3:33:45 PM EDT, riverside--- via Fot wrote: I am assisting in the design of a vintage racer wiring harness andwonder if anyone is using an inertial switch to kill the fuel pump so it will automatically stop in the event of an impact.Is any one using such a setup and what would you recommendfor a switch??art d_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 27 13:12:52 2018 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 12:12:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] safety switches References: <9DD61CE68458460BB0E927E6CDF25902@rileyPC> <244508314.5517094.1527286124250@mail.yahoo.com> <2107962169.5773048.1527421003562@mail.yahoo.com> > TR8's came with inertia switches from the factory. So did Stags and some late TR7 (with fuel injection and electric fuel pump). The Triumph inertia switches all look the same to me, but I never checked part numbers. But given the choice of a Lucas part or Ford Motorcraft, I'd go with the Ford. As a side comment, some Bosch PI systems came with an special relay, that sensed whether the engine was turning; and stopped the fuel pump when the engine stopped. IMO there is something to be said for that approach, in case an incident wasn't severe enough to trigger the inertia switch, but the driver forgot to turn the "key" off for whatever reason. I was in a big rush getting ready for VTR 2005, and walked away from a Stag that was idling nicely. (Yes, that was stupid; did I mention I was in hurry? Haste makes waste.) The phone rang and I was a long time getting back. Engine had died, and a float valve with a tiny leak (not enough to cause problems with the engine running) had allowed a cylinder to fill with fuel, hydrolocking the motor. One of those magic Bosch relays would have prevented that. -- Randall From jsukey at gmail.com Sun May 27 20:34:02 2018 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 22:34:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] safety switches References: <9DD61CE68458460BB0E927E6CDF25902@rileyPC> <244508314.5517094.1527286124250@mail.yahoo.com> <2107962169.5773048.1527421003562@mail.yahoo.com> <60F877F8DC1F472DB0DD5A74100183B0@RYPC> I've been using the "safety relay" that senses a tach signal from the coil on my GT6. Street use only so far, but it works really well. The one I'm using originally lists for a VW application. Jason On Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:57 PM Randall via Fot wrote: > > TR8's came with inertia switches from the factory. > > So did Stags and some late TR7 (with fuel injection and electric fuel > pump). > The Triumph inertia switches all look the same to me, but I never checked > part numbers. > > But given the choice of a Lucas part or Ford Motorcraft, I'd go with the > Ford. > > As a side comment, some Bosch PI systems came with an special relay, that > sensed whether the engine was turning; and stopped the fuel pump when the > engine stopped. IMO there is something to be said for that approach, in > case an incident wasn't severe enough to trigger the inertia switch, but > the > driver forgot to turn the "key" off for whatever reason. > > I was in a big rush getting ready for VTR 2005, and walked away from a Stag > that was idling nicely. (Yes, that was stupid; did I mention I was in > hurry? > Haste makes waste.) 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Anybody running these on a Spitfire currently that could recommend some starting tire pressure? Looks like they like more air than the Hoosiers I have been running. Thanks, Marty Sukey Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com Tue May 29 05:36:32 2018 From: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Tim Suddard) Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 07:36:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Restore or ? References: <18D7C278-2363-4F57-BF51-F9692D7767BE@aol.com> Wow, that?s a cool find. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? Fax: (386) 239 0573 www. GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.com 915 Ridgewood Avenue Holly Hill, FL 32117 Upcoming Events: Classic Motorsports Monterey Kickoff Cruise-in - August 21 Classic Motorsports Concours d?Lemons at Monterey - August 25 Grassroots Motorsports $2017 Challenge - Oct. 12-13 > On May 25, 2018, at 5:43 PM, John Frymark wrote: > > Tim, > > I?ve got the same problem! Found literally across the rural road from me sitting for 30+ years. It does still carry the Yenko Stinger number plate (the most valuable part!) > > John Frymark > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue May 29 14:34:54 2018 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 16:34:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trackside Tire Service... Amici... Talking about trackside tire service, today the VSCDA sent out an email indicting HOOSIER will be glad to ship needed tires to BLACKHAWK for delivery and mounting. There is, of course, both a tire dealer and a resident installer on site at the track. It was interesting to me because it included a copy of their current retail price list. They have not gotten any cheaper. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smyers at mac.com Wed May 30 09:40:27 2018 From: smyers at mac.com (Stephen Myers) Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 10:40:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 for Sale References: <4D6AD4AA-E4FC-4B7E-9823-44F465364391@skunkriverresto.com> Hello, I had the pleasure of working on a Triumph TR6 for Richard Fry of Ankeny, IA who has unfortunately now passed away from cancer and his wife had asked me to sell the car for her. Previous work we have done at my shop the last couple years since he had it restored, unfortunately I do not know which shop did the restoration before he brought it up here just that he did not do it himself. - Installed emergency hood release - Installed SU conversion kit ($1200) - Replaced transmission, replace seals - New fuel pump and tune up The car is a Florida car, still registered and titled there, but is located at my shop in Ames, IA. All offers will be entertained and would like a sale before his wife travels back to Florida in a couple months. -Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When we get closer to the date, you will receive any additional information not already covered in the pre-order confirmation. --- Christopher Shoemaker Royale Racing, LLC -----Original Message----- From: info at royaleracingllc.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 12:56 PM To: info at royaleracingllc.com Subject: RoyaleRacingLLC Website Inquiry From: john hasty Subject: Pitt Historic Race @ Pittsburgh International (Beaver Run) 7/6-8/18 Message Body: Are you going to be servicing this race? -- This e-mail was sent from the contact form on www.royaleracingLLC.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been sent by a law firm on a legal matter. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. 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When we get closer to the date, you will receive any additional information not already covered in the pre-order confirmation. > > --- Christopher Shoemaker > Royale Racing, LLC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: info at royaleracingllc.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 12:56 PM > To: info at royaleracingllc.com > Subject: RoyaleRacingLLC Website Inquiry > > From: john hasty > Subject: Pitt Historic Race @ Pittsburgh International (Beaver Run) 7/6-8/18 > > Message Body: > Are you going to be servicing this race? > > -- > This e-mail was sent from the contact form on www.royaleracingLLC.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission has been sent by a law firm on a legal matter. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. 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We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the federal Bankruptcy Code. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Fri May 4 16:44:28 2018 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 22:44:28 -0000 Subject: [Fot] clutch master opinion References: <016901d3e39d$bbc8b560$335a2020$@camoletti.ch> <1632b9545da-c8b-16d7@webjas-vae218.srv.aolmail.net> <461679057.72797.1525456613317@connect.xfinity.com> DITTO Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2018, at 12:56 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > I have Wilwood masters on my TR3. They can be ordered in different piston diameters and they weren't very expensive. I think in the $90 range. They are otherwise direct factory replacements as far as I can remember. I think a GT6 has a different setup than the TR, but you might want to check them out. > > > > Dave H. > > > >> On May 4, 2018 at 7:36 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> Beck Arnley is, and always has been, a re-boxer, you never know what you'll get. >> I'm amazed that some of this junk is on the market but some folks shop strictly by lowest price, so there's a good market for it I guess... >> Yeah TRW is good product in my experience, no issues. >> Glen >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot >> To: 'Brian Schirano' ; fot >> Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 9:48 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] clutch master opinion >> >> TRW is good quality stuff, made in Europe to proper specs, not Chinese junk. >> However I do not know for Beck/Arnley ( get stuff from them on Rock for my 1980 Seville, and it is plenty enough to cruise at 55, but not sure for racing), but TRW is definitely a good option. >> Enjoy a great WE! >> Alex Camoletti >> >> De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Brian Schirano via Fot >> Envoy? : vendredi 4 mai 2018 04:47 >> ? : FOT >> Objet : [Fot] clutch master opinion >> >> Hey Guys >> >> I need to replace my clutch master cylinder then rebuild the old one as a spare. Quick opinion survey for GT6 clutch master cyl mfg >> >> TRW PNB454 $91 at BP Northwest >> >> or >> >> Beck/Arnley 072-1308 ~ $51 Rock Auto or Amazon >> >> Or? >> >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 Cell >> BSchirano at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(means free entry) Sooooooo, there's lots of time between now and then and the actual amount of race time for true vintage cars at the VRG/PittRace event will far exceed the $VRA event at the Glen. Spread the word if you would. It would be great to get a good turnout. Donny Jeff and I will be there and I'll keep you in the loop on who else. Registration just opened today......lots of time to make plans. Maybe WPTA could have their tent and invite J Swauger and Sir Charlie too! I predict much beer and grilling! We could coordinate a "Ghetto" gathering if there's interest. Hey, it's just about in your back yard! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So the TR8 went 2 seconds slower round that track than the TR4?.and the TR4 went 2 seconds slower round that track as the fastest TR4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U3J34AdaBQ&feature=youtu.be But, I could test some tweaks after the Hockenheim event to be prepared for Spa Summer Classic race event. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Thu May 31 19:23:54 2018 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 21:23:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] car haul A friend in Los Cruces, NM will shortly trailer a car to me in Pittsburgh. He will have to go back empty unless somebody could use his services. His trailer is enclosed and he has a good quality rig. Bruce Stutzman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Len is part of the CVAR contingent and was well know at a race last year for having the fastest 1147 Spitfire in group 2?in the pouring rain. Len?s car was completed by Ed Barnard before he passed away and it would be a great help for Len to have the FOT as a resource. Somehow Len inherited an FOT flag that is hanging inside his trailer so he is already a de facto member. > > Can I get a second? > > Derek Vick > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat May 26 13:00:59 2018 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 19:00:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found References: <6DBC7806-A52C-408A-B1FA-BCBB8282C786@grassrootsmotorsports.com> <15D31CC7B4F242B8A180F28ED58EA4B9@hpd530> <163996054c6-c94-ad31@webjas-vac075.srv.aolmail.net>, <679D5E92D4FD4045B391EA9BA2BBB57E@VlackTK121647> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I do like your humor and the WPTA hopes you will stay and enjoy some of the PVGP week long events in and around Western PA. There is some activity for 10 days starting with Pitt Race and ending with the PVGP in the Oakland section of the City. Really a World Class event. JVV From: John Hasty Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 3:00 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: Bill Dentinger ; william.tobin31 at verizon.net ; tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found Jerry: since you are one of the PittsburgH proud bunch, perhaps you can tell us if there will be a tire supplier at the KCup event. The event organizers don?t seem to know. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: Perhaps reach out to the SCCA Steel Cities Region who know Bill well and must have some historical notes about him as well as D M Mims. I believe Bill was honored and there was a nice article written about him by Steel Cities within the past few years. It wasn?t to long ago that Mims worked the grid at Pitt Race aka known as Beaver Run complete with pink gloves as I recall. JVV PS Bill it?s Pittsburgh with an h at the end. We?re a proud bunch . Home of the WPTA. From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 6:17 PM To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net ; tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found My neighbor, two doors away here in Las Vegas, is from Pittsburg, and claims to have known Donna Mae as a neighbor growing up. I'll ask him what he knows. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tobin via Fot To: Tim Suddard ; fot Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found ? Tim, I thought Donna Mae's car was found and restored a few years back. The car and Donna Mae herself were at the SVRA race at Mid Ohio a few years ago. I thought you were there too. Donna Mae was a hoot. Did she drive more than one? Good question about restorations too. It's sure to bring up a lot of discussion. See you at Pittsburgh. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Suddard via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 7:16 AM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car. So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. Tim Suddard Publisher: Grassroots Motorsports magazine Classic Motorsports magazine Phone: (386) 239-0523 ? 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun May 6 09:23:31 2018 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 06 May 2018 15:23:31 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination request for Phil Gott and his son Dave References: Thank you Carl and Doug for your seconds and accepting our nomination. Hope we can be a worthy addition to this group. 40+ years wrenching on these cars and a commensurate stash of parts.... Regards to all, Phil Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2018, at 9:29 AM, carl stenquist wrote: > > They have my vote! > Congrats to Dave finishing drivers school, wish I was going to the K-cup, I would love to see his car run. Two great guys. > > >> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 5:05 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot wrote: >> Seconded on both. >> >>> On Sat, May 5, 2018, 11:29 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>> I'd like to nominate for membership Phil Gott to the FOT. Phil is a long time racer. National SCCA Solo champion, regional road racer and for the past few years a vintage racer in his TR-4A >>> Phils' racing bio - >>> http://historicracinggroup.com/phil-gott.php >>> >>> His son, Dave, also with a Solo background, just completed his SCCA drivers school in his own TR. 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