From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Sep 4 19:57:09 2017 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 18:57:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] piston/head clearance References: <001d01d31c5c$44ed2ec0$cec78c40$@gmail.com> <1BF03DA0-EAC7-4A98-B001-D1AA680707C3@comcast.net> <000401d31d0b$f77a4eb0$e66eec10$@gmail.com> In all of the research and reading I have ever done the idea has always been to have the clearance between the head and the top of the piston at tdc as small as possible with no actual contact. This normally results in the top of the piston under the "quench" or squish area being clean, with no carbon deposits after running. In an engine with a race prepared stock crank and modified stock TR-4 rods this distance is .026". At this clearance using a rev limit of 6800 RPM there will be no contact, at .025" the pistons will touch the head. This is also with Hepolite "Powermax 87mm" liners and pistons. Forged pistons probably expand more with heat than these pistons, billet rods & a billet crank probably stretch or flex less. These days I usually shoot for about .028" clearance when setting up the engine. The most powerful engine that we have built used HD LA Sleeve 87mm liners that are thicker then the Hepolite liners, Forged pistons, std. size valves, & a billet crank. It used Weber 45 DCOE carbs with 42mm chokes & carefully tuned 4 into 1 headers with a tuned length exhaust pipe with a megaphone on the end. This engine made peak power at 7,000 - 7,200 RPM. It had a 13.4:1 CR with a 306 degree duration cam giving and actual .525" lift at the valve. The piston to head clearance was set up to be .028" under the squish area. This engine made 189 HP at the flywheel with a very broad torque curve that peaked at 5,000 rpm, if I remember correctly. It was built to run on 110 Octane ERC Racing gasoline. The total advance at 6,000 RPM was 34 degrees. The compression ratio is clearly related to the camshaft duration and both are related to the Octane rating of the gasoline the engine is going to be run on. I would certainly not try to run this engine on 102 octane fuel. You would have to retard the timing way back and the engine would just not run well. To run on 102 Octane fuel, I would think that the compression ratio would have to be lowered to somewhere around 11:1 to avoid detonation & the engine would loose a lot of torque which could be only regained by shortening the cam duration. Maybe the results the Christian Max got have to do with the lower octane fuel that he has to use. We do not have that issue here in the US. Greg Solow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Janzen at recatalyst.com Tue Sep 5 07:05:54 2017 From: Janzen at recatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:05:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential and general question After carefully setting up the gear lash on a spare diff, I torqued the bearing cap bolts on the differential carrier for the last time, and one of them stripped. I can put a helicoil in, but in the process I will loose the steel locating sleeve on this bolt hole that helps hold the cap. I can?t remove the sleeve without destroying it. Several questions: What?s the proper name for these ?sleeves?, if I want to try to get one from McMaster Carr, or where can I get them? Is it essential? I assume these are there because they take some side thrust from the carrier. I can start over with another diff casing - maybe the best thing to do. 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Jack On Tuesday, September 5, 2017, 4:21:44 AM EDT, Greg Solow via Fot wrote: In all of the research and reading I have ever done the idea has always been to have the clearance between the head and the top of the piston at tdc as small as possible with no actual contact.? This normally results in the top of the piston under the "quench" or squish area being clean, with no carbon deposits after running. In an engine with a race prepared stock crank and modified stock TR-4 rods this distance is .026".? At this clearance using a rev limit of 6800 RPM there will be no contact, at .025" the pistons will touch the head.? This is also with Hepolite "Powermax 87mm" liners and pistons.? Forged pistons probably expand more? with heat than these pistons, billet rods & a billet crank probably stretch or flex less.? These days I usually shoot for about .028" clearance when setting up the engine.? ??????? The most powerful engine that we have built used HD LA Sleeve 87mm liners that are thicker then the Hepolite liners, Forged pistons, std. size valves, & a billet crank. It used Weber 45 DCOE carbs with 42mm chokes & carefully tuned 4 into 1 headers? with a tuned length exhaust pipe with a megaphone on the end. This engine made peak power at 7,000 - 7,200 RPM.? It had a 13.4:1 CR with a 306 degree duration cam giving and actual .525" lift at the valve. The piston to head clearance was set up to be .028" under the squish area.? This engine made 189 HP at the flywheel with a very broad torque curve that peaked at 5,000 rpm, if I remember correctly.? It was built to run on 110 Octane ERC Racing gasoline.? The total advance at 6,000 RPM was 34 degrees. ?????? The compression ratio is clearly related to the camshaft duration and both are related to the Octane rating of the gasoline the engine is going to be run on.? I would certainly not try to run this engine on 102 octane fuel. You would have to retard the timing way back and the engine would just not run well. To run on 102 Octane fuel, I would think that the compression ratio would have to be lowered to somewhere around 11:1 to avoid detonation & the engine would loose a lot of torque which could be only regained by shortening the cam duration.? ????? Maybe the results the Christian Max got have to do with the lower octane fuel that he has to use. We do not have that issue here in the US.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Greg Solow? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Tue Sep 5 10:34:58 2017 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:34:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential and general question References: <2837ADAB-DDA6-4567-8F7B-054CBA9DAF82@recatalyst.com> After disassembling a spare diff, bead blasting it, replacing pinion bearings and seals, carefully setting up the gear lash , etc, I torqued the bearing cap bolts on the differential carrier for the last time, and one of the holes stripped. I can put a helicoil in, but in the process I will loose the steel locating sleeve on this bolt hole that helps locate the cap. I can?t remove the sleeve without destroying it. Several questions: What?s the correct name for these ?sleeves?, if I want to try to get one from McMaster Carr, or where can I get them? Are they essential or can I get buy without it? I assume these are there because they take some side thrust from the carrier, which otherwise is resisted only by clamping force and the bolt shoulder. I could start over with another diff casing - maybe the best thing to do. Just hate to have to strip and clean another one up, press out pinion bearings, replace seals, adjust the bleepety-bleep gear lash all over again! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 5 12:04:28 2017 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:04:28 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort GP After quite a while, my first ride in the refreshed TR4 with southwick concersion axle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNt_D9LmfZ0 &feature=youtu.be Cheers Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 15:40:12 2017 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:40:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential and general question References: <2837ADAB-DDA6-4567-8F7B-054CBA9DAF82@recatalyst.com> Scott, I think those might be called "hollow dowel pins". I assume they are there to precisely locate the bearing cap. I'd not attempt to go without. On a related note, when I build up the spitfire/gt6 differentials, I use a bottoming tap and cut an additional couple threads in the bottom of the home- I then replace the bolts with 2" long grade 8 bolts. The original bolts are about 1 7/8" long, I figure the extra thread engagement can only help. Jason Sukey On Sep 5, 2017 5:09 PM, "Scott Janzen via Fot" wrote: > After carefully setting up the gear lash on a spare diff, I torqued the > bearing cap bolts on the differential carrier for the last time, and one of > them stripped. > I can put a helicoil in, but in the process I will loose the steel > locating sleeve on this bolt hole that helps hold the cap. > > I can?t remove the sleeve without destroying it. Several questions: > > What?s the proper name for these ?sleeves?, if I want to try to get one > from McMaster Carr, or where can I get them? > > Is it essential? I assume these are there because they take some side > thrust from the carrier. > > I can start over with another diff casing - maybe the best thing to do. > Just hate to have to strip and clean another one up, replace seals, adjust > the gear lash again! > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Janzen at recatalyst.com Tue Sep 5 20:12:19 2017 From: Janzen at recatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 22:12:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential and general question References: <2837ADAB-DDA6-4567-8F7B-054CBA9DAF82@recatalyst.com> <646DCD6A16E1447A88EBECF615D3260A@LAPTOP4G3QUJHK> I got some good suggestions on how to remove this bush, including Randall?s below and Fred?s, but Mark Craig reminded me that I may not want to use a helicoil, which might fail at the track, and I?m better off starting over with another differential housing. As I only have about seven of them, I have no good excuse other than I was feeling lazy about starting the whole process over. Better than a ruined track weekend, and good thing I did not need this spare for the last two years I?ve been hauling it around. I had mostly rebuilt it but was never quite satisfied with the lash. However, I torqued it up and figured it would do in a pinch. I guess the last time I tightened the bolts, the one bolt must have been hanging on by a thread (is that where the saying came from?) and re-adjusting the lash five times must have done it in. Thanks as always to the group for the good advice and for getting me back on track. On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Randall wrote: It's possible I'm confused, but I think you're talking about what the British call a "Bush, bearing cap". TRF seems to have them available, P/N 60070, $1.35 each. Here's the parts diagram I looked at (since I'm away from home where I have a paper copy) https://www.canleyclassics.com/triumph-gt6-mkiii-rear-axle-centre-details You might also try to find a tap that will just barely bite into the inside diameter. Looks like maybe 10mm would do. You'll also need something for a spacer that will fit over the bush, probably a cutoff bit of 1/2" cast iron water pipe would do. Turn the tap into the bush just a short distance, then drop the spacer and a heavy flat washer over the tap, and turn a nut down the tap. Should walk the bushing right out. I've not tried this on a GT6 diff, but it works well in similar situations. Of course the threads will weaken the bush a bit, you'll have to judge how critical that is. IMO the bush is mostly to make sure the cap is precisely aligned, and the bush takes little or no side force once the bolts are tightened. But I could be mistaken. -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 9:06 AM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential and general question > > After carefully setting up the gear lash on a spare diff, I > torqued the bearing cap bolts on the differential carrier for > the last time, and one of them stripped. > I can put a helicoil in, but in the process I will loose the > steel locating sleeve on this bolt hole that helps hold the cap. > > I can't remove the sleeve without destroying it. Several questions: > > What's the proper name for these "sleeves", if I want to try > to get one from McMaster Carr, or where can I get them? > > Is it essential? I assume these are there because they take > some side thrust from the carrier. > > I can start over with another diff casing - maybe the best > thing to do. 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Thanks for sharing, Dave Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > After quite a while, my first ride in the refreshed TR4 with southwick concersion axle. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNt_D9LmfZ0&feature=youtu.be > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at multivintage.com Wed Sep 6 18:04:32 2017 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:04:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential and general question References: <2837ADAB-DDA6-4567-8F7B-054CBA9DAF82@recatalyst.com> Hey. Yeah... most of the diffs I have around have at least one thread hole screwed up somewhere on the thing. I'm not sure this will work at the narrow edge area you are working on but I figure its on topic enough to mention... we have used something called A "Steel cert" or "Time sert" or "big sert" recently. Perhaps many already know about these "better than a heli coil fix" The kits are way better a heli coil and has done a nice job for us with stripped threads. Basically you drill a larger hole into the old thread hole. Then you tap the hole for the really hard steel insert that is already threaded. And insert that basically it puts a whole new steel surrounded thread of the type you wish for in the old spot. We have used them mostly for aluminum applications and they have solved such problems. Good Luck Scott! You are one of the kings of quality prep...A+ Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > After carefully setting up the gear lash on a spare diff, I torqued the > bearing cap bolts on the differential carrier for the last time, and one of > them stripped. > I can put a helicoil in, but in the process I will loose the steel > locating sleeve on this bolt hole that helps hold the cap. > > I can?t remove the sleeve without destroying it. Several questions: > > What?s the proper name for these ?sleeves?, if I want to try to get one > from McMaster Carr, or where can I get them? > > Is it essential? I assume these are there because they take some side > thrust from the carrier. > > I can start over with another diff casing - maybe the best thing to do. > Just hate to have to strip and clean another one up, replace seals, adjust > the gear lash again! > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@ > multivintage.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Sep 7 02:47:40 2017 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 02:47:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential and general question References: <2837ADAB-DDA6-4567-8F7B-054CBA9DAF82@recatalyst.com> On 9/6/2017 6:04 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot wrote: > Hey. > Yeah... most of the diffs I have around have at least one thread hole > screwed up somewhere on the thing. > > I'm not sure this will work at the narrow edge area you are working on > but I figure its on topic enough to mention... > we have used something called A "Steel cert" or "Time sert" or "big > sert" recently. > > Perhaps many already know about these "better than a heli coil fix" These are variants on the name brand "KeenSert," which was originally developed for repairs of stripped internal threads in aluminum and other metals softer than steel: http://www.repairengineering.com/keensert.html The KeenSert uses hardened steel flat pins to positively lock the insert into the softer metal, preventing it from rotating with the bolt, but I don't think these can be used with harder materials like steel or cast iron. The problem I see in using what you've suggested is the need to accommodate the locating sleeve.? The sleeve doesn't so much resist side forces as much as it serves to locate the carrier bearing cap, with the retaining bolts providing the force to resist most of the movement of the carrier bearing cap. That said, these fixes probably can be used if the correct cutter can be found to create the recess for the sleeve.? The setup would be a bit tricky, but not difficult for an experienced machinist.? It would require finding a sharp hole saw sort of cutter (a shell mill) that had an OD the same as the OD of the sleeve, indexing the part so that the mill and cutter would be concentric and true to the old hole, then drilling or milling the new recess for the insert, raising the mill bit sufficiently to tap the hole for the insert, install the insert, and then without losing the location, use the shell mill to cut the new recess in the insert for the sleeve.? This wouldn't have to be as deep as the original so as not to lose too much thread on the insert.? The sleeve can always be turned down a bit if necessary to ensure it fits in a shallower recess. If I couldn't find another good diff case, that's the way I'd do it.? But, truthfully, that's more time (that you're paying the machine shop for) than fitting the gears to a replacement diff case, which, with the right tools, doesn't take more than two or three hours to fit new gears and set pinion depth and preload. Additionally, I don't think I'd want to do any machining on an assembled unit, anyway--too many chips flying around that might be difficult to remove after the fact, and could futz up the works. If another diff is available, use that, and have the old case with the stripped hole repaired at one's leisure. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Sep 7 06:35:32 2017 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential and general question References: <2837ADAB-DDA6-4567-8F7B-054CBA9DAF82@recatalyst.com> I have gone one step further and used studs in place of the bolts like used in many quick change rearends. It makes the in/out during set-up easier by reducing the times you have to run the bolt in/out of the threaded hole.JMTCEclectic Ed On Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:56 AM, Michael Porter via Fot wrote: On 9/6/2017 6:04 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot wrote: > Hey. > Yeah... most of the diffs I have around have at least one thread hole > screwed up somewhere on the thing. > > I'm not sure this will work at the narrow edge area you are working on > but I figure its on topic enough to mention... > we have used something called A "Steel cert" or "Time sert" or "big > sert" recently. > > Perhaps many already know about these "better than a heli coil fix" These are variants on the name brand "KeenSert," which was originally developed for repairs of stripped internal threads in aluminum and other metals softer than steel: http://www.repairengineering.com/keensert.html The KeenSert uses hardened steel flat pins to positively lock the insert into the softer metal, preventing it from rotating with the bolt, but I don't think these can be used with harder materials like steel or cast iron. The problem I see in using what you've suggested is the need to accommodate the locating sleeve.? The sleeve doesn't so much resist side forces as much as it serves to locate the carrier bearing cap, with the retaining bolts providing the force to resist most of the movement of the carrier bearing cap. That said, these fixes probably can be used if the correct cutter can be found to create the recess for the sleeve.? The setup would be a bit tricky, but not difficult for an experienced machinist.? It would require finding a sharp hole saw sort of cutter (a shell mill) that had an OD the same as the OD of the sleeve, indexing the part so that the mill and cutter would be concentric and true to the old hole, then drilling or milling the new recess for the insert, raising the mill bit sufficiently to tap the hole for the insert, install the insert, and then without losing the location, use the shell mill to cut the new recess in the insert for the sleeve.? This wouldn't have to be as deep as the original so as not to lose too much thread on the insert.? The sleeve can always be turned down a bit if necessary to ensure it fits in a shallower recess. If I couldn't find another good diff case, that's the way I'd do it.? But, truthfully, that's more time (that you're paying the machine shop for) than fitting the gears to a replacement diff case, which, with the right tools, doesn't take more than two or three hours to fit new gears and set pinion depth and preload. Additionally, I don't think I'd want to do any machining on an assembled unit, anyway--too many chips flying around that might be difficult to remove after the fact, and could futz up the works. If another diff is available, use that, and have the old case with the stripped hole repaired at one's leisure. 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Paul Ricco > On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: > > Good morning, All. > > I would like to nominate Alan Berry to our non organization. As I am typing this, Alan is driving home with my former TR4 in tow. Alan is an experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they have already been in contact. Alan's email is: > > alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > May I have a second? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan is an > experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know > that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o > the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they > have already been in contact. Alan's email is: > > alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > May I have a second? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 7 10:32:43 2017 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:32:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Second! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Irv Korey via Fot To: FOT Cc: Alan Berry Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 9:19 am Subject: [Fot] Nomination Good morning, All. I would like to nominate Alan Berry to our non organization. As I am typing this, Alan is driving home with my former TR4 in tow. Alan is an experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they have already been in contact. Alan's email is: alanb at alanberrydesign.com May I have a second? Thanks, Irv Korey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan's email is: > > alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > May I have a second? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 7 10:49:01 2017 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 11:49:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Second! -----Original Message----- From: "Irv Korey via Fot" Sent: ?9/?7/?2017 10:59 AM To: "FOT" Cc: "Alan Berry" Subject: [Fot] Nomination Good morning, All. I would like to nominate Alan Berry to our non organization. As I am typing this, Alan is driving home with my former TR4 in tow. Alan is an experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they have already been in contact. Alan's email is: alanb at alanberrydesign.com May I have a second? Thanks, Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 11:01:05 2017 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: SECOND - Welcome, Alan. Bob Lang On Thursday, September 7, 2017 12:04 PM, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: Good morning, All. I would like to nominate Alan Berry to our non organization. As I am typing this, Alan is driving home with my former TR4 in tow. Alan is an experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they have already been in contact. Alan's email is: alanb @alanberrydesign.com May I have a second? Thanks, Irv Korey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Sep 7 11:02:18 2017 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 10:02:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Second. Welcome Alan. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: > > Good morning, All. > > I would like to nominate Alan Berry to our non organization. As I am typing this, Alan is driving home with my former TR4 in tow. Alan is an experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they have already been in contact. Alan's email is: > > alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > May I have a second? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Sep 7 11:39:04 2017 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:39:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Second! Scott (B.) From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 9:55 AM To: FOT Cc: Alan Berry Subject: [Fot] Nomination Good morning, All. I would like to nominate Alan Berry to our non organization. As I am typing this, Alan is driving home with my former TR4 in tow. Alan is an experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they have already been in contact. Alan's email is: alanb at alanberrydesign.com May I have a second? Thanks, Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edunn at transfueler.com Thu Sep 7 12:56:18 2017 From: edunn at transfueler.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 11:56:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: I've known Alan quite a while... This scruffy, unwashed Canadian has been kicked out of clubs far superior to FoT. I'm amazed he still had enough dough to by a TR, after his prison stint and all. His kind & beautiful wife; Joanne is his only redeeming asset at this point. Personally, I would recommend he be driven to a back alley in Tijuana and dropped off. Letting Alan into FoT is a huge mistake, but then again, I snuck in a while ago... EE Dunn Aboard the yacht Traviesa, somewhere in the San Juan Islands... Good morning, All. I would like to nominate Alan Berry to our non organization. As I am typing this, Alan is driving home with my former TR4 in tow. Alan is an experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they have already been in contact. Alan's email is: alanb at alanberrydesign.com May I have a second? 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Alan is an experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they have already been in contact. Alan's email is: > > alanb @alanberrydesign.com > > May I have a second? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sep 7, 2017 11:56 AM, "Edward Dunn" wrote: > I've known Alan quite a while... > This scruffy, unwashed Canadian has been kicked out of clubs far superior > to FoT. > I'm amazed he still had enough dough to by a TR, after his prison stint > and all. > His kind & beautiful wife; Joanne is his only redeeming asset at this > point. > Personally, I would recommend he be driven to a back alley in Tijuana and > dropped off. > Letting Alan into FoT is a huge mistake, but then again, I snuck in a > while ago... > > EE Dunn > Aboard the yacht Traviesa, somewhere in the San Juan Islands... > > > > On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: > > Good morning, All. > > I would like to nominate Alan Berry to our non organization. As I am > typing this, Alan is driving home with my former TR4 in tow. Alan is an > experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know > that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o > the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they > have already been in contact. Alan's email is: > > alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > May I have a second? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn@ > qualityfueltrailers.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca Fri Sep 8 07:05:09 2017 From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca (peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:05:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dom Spicer References: <002001d32869$7927e090$6b77a1b0$@gmail.com> Any racer from the Uk I second Peter Sent from my iPhone I have raced with Dom a few times over the years and I will happily second his nomination. Keith Hi guys, I would like to join Dom to the List. He is a TR4 / 5 racer from England. A great and funny guy to have at the Track and his team is also entertaining, very charming and helpful with hands and spares if others have a problem. He is this "never give up" type of racer. Even a total smashed car won't stop him to race on the next possible occasion. Do I hear a second? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive If you are not the addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail by mistake, and delete it. We thank you for your support. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Sep 8 08:43:20 2017 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 14:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dom Spicer References: <002001d32869$7927e090$6b77a1b0$@gmail.com> Of course, Chris. Second! Welcome, Dominic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Marx via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net, "dominic spicer" Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:12:38 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dom Spicer Hi guys, I would like to join Dom to the List. He is a TR4 / 5 racer from England. A great and funny guy to have at the Track and his team is also entertaining, very charming and helpful with hands and spares if others have a problem. He is this ?never give up? type of racer. Even a total smashed car won?t stop him to race on the next possible occasion. Do I hear a second? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Fri Sep 8 10:36:49 2017 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:36:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dom Spicer References: <002001d32869$7927e090$6b77a1b0$@gmail.com> Second. A week ago,Dominic Spicer was racing his TR5 at the Historic Zandvoort Grand Prix, in the TrCompetition and BritishGT championship. Marcel Van: "Chris Marx via Fot" Aan: fot at autox.team.net, "dominic spicer" Verzonden: Vrijdag 8 september 2017 08:12:38 Onderwerp: [Fot] Nomination Dom Spicer Hi guys, I would like to join Dom to the List. He is a TR4 / 5 racer from England. A great and funny guy to have at the Track and his team is also entertaining, very charming and helpful with hands and spares if others have a problem. He is this ?never give up? type of racer. Even a total smashed car won?t stop him to race on the next possible occasion. Do I hear a second? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Last time the car was on the road was in May at Gingerman. No problems. Since then been sitting up in the air on the lift getting ?air time? while new block being machined. Very puzzling how sitting up in the air would cause diff problem. Car now has more ?air time? on the lift than track time! Have taken cover off diff, everything looks okay. No pieces of metal. Gear oil pretty black, has been in there about 10 years. Both ring and pinion look okay. Put fresh Reline gear oil in and buttoned up. Tried again on lift. Turning drive shaft (trans in neutral), can turn both forward and backward. Both wheels turn. Try in driveway, same result, cannot backup, trying just stalls engine. We could get the car back on the lift by driving forward and turning around in the cul-de-sac by the house. Did donuts in the cul-de-sac to see how diff reacted. Left two nice black marks in the donut. Accelerated forward and the diff was unlocked because there is just one long black streak. I?ll have to ask Ryan how it sounded and acted. He was driving to do that. When car back on lift, same thing, both rear wheels locked up when trying to turn backwards last night. We can make diff lock and unlock by holding one wheel and turning the other wheel forward. Not sure about specifics, wasn?t taking notes. So far, we can make it work, sometimes on the lift, by turning the driveshaft. But once on the ground we cannot make if work under power. We could push the car backwards out of the shop but once we drove forward and tried to back up the wheels were again locked. Any insight or suggestions will be much appreciated. Is this a typical failure mode for a Detroit Locker? Any suggestions for further examination and testing? The last time we drove the car back into the shop to put up on the lift we heard a pretty loud ?clicking? noise from the diff. Never noticed this before but wasn?t necessarily listening for it before either. Very interesting, I just tried turning the wheels with car on lift and can turn both wheels, individually, both forward and backward, no problem. It is now not locked up in the backwards direction. When turning one side the other side also turns in the same direction. It?s acting like the diff is locked up in both directions and the wheels turn in both directions. Last night, the last time we tried turning the wheels backwards it was locked up. Maybe it only works up in the air!!!! Very puzzling!! I am not at all familiar with how the Detroit Locker works. It was the one thing on the car we never had to worry about. I guess I?ll learn something now? Tim and Ryan Murphy Murphy?s Law Racing (very appropriate today!) 1961 TR4 #317 BRG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 10:20:16 2017 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 11:20:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards References: <005701d32b0e$f3d2eea0$db78cbe0$@gmail.com> I researched these a few years ago because I began rebuilding a Morgan race car that has a Detroit Locker. I puzzled over the behavior of the differential until I removed the rear cover and realized what I had. These are better described as a Detroit ?unlocker? since they are always locked until the one wheel is trying to turn faster than the other ? it sounds odd, but as far as I can tell, the inside wheel takes all the drive while the outside wheel is along for the ride. If the inside one begins to slip, it seems the diff locks again so drive goes to the outside wheel again. I imagine the trick is to set it up so that it doesn?t lock/unlock constantly while cornering. They are great for drag racing and apparently were designed that way to allow easier turn-off at the end of the 1/4 mile run. I know of another person in the Pacific Northwest who races a Morgan with a Detroit Locker and has no complaints about it. Yours behaves like mine except for not being able to back up. But to your situation ? one clue is that you just put the transmission back in the car, which suggests that even if the gearbox did not undergo disassembly it was at probably disturbed. Might it be possible that the gearbox is selecting reverse and another gear at the same time? I suppose the only way to check this is to d/c the driveshaft, select reverse and see what happens when you let out the clutch. No need to have the engine running ? if you select reverse with the clutch disengaged you would normally be able to overcome the drag of the gears to rotate the driveshaft. Duncan > On Sep 11, 2017, at 10:02 AM, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: > > We have a race this weekend at Elkhart Lake. Just put engine/trans back in car. Test drove on road. In trying to backup, both rear wheels are locked solid. Trying to reverse just stalls engine. > > Last time the car was on the road was in May at Gingerman. No problems. Since then been sitting up in the air on the lift getting ?air time? while new block being machined. > > Very puzzling how sitting up in the air would cause diff problem. Car now has more ?air time? on the lift than track time! > > Have taken cover off diff, everything looks okay. No pieces of metal. Gear oil pretty black, has been in there about 10 years. > > Both ring and pinion look okay. > > Put fresh Reline gear oil in and buttoned up. > > Tried again on lift. > > Turning drive shaft (trans in neutral), can turn both forward and backward. Both wheels turn. > > Try in driveway, same result, cannot backup, trying just stalls engine. > > We could get the car back on the lift by driving forward and turning around in the cul-de-sac by the house. Did donuts in the cul-de-sac to see how diff reacted. Left two nice black marks in the donut. Accelerated forward and the diff was unlocked because there is just one long black streak. I?ll have to ask Ryan how it sounded and acted. He was driving to do that. > > When car back on lift, same thing, both rear wheels locked up when trying to turn backwards last night. > > We can make diff lock and unlock by holding one wheel and turning the other wheel forward. Not sure about specifics, wasn?t taking notes. > > So far, we can make it work, sometimes on the lift, by turning the driveshaft. But once on the ground we cannot make if work under power. We could push the car backwards out of the shop but once we drove forward and tried to back up the wheels were again locked. > > Any insight or suggestions will be much appreciated. Is this a typical failure mode for a Detroit Locker? Any suggestions for further examination and testing? The last time we drove the car back into the shop to put up on the lift we heard a pretty loud ?clicking? noise from the diff. Never noticed this before but wasn?t necessarily listening for it before either. > > Very interesting, I just tried turning the wheels with car on lift and can turn both wheels, individually, both forward and backward, no problem. It is now not locked up in the backwards direction. When turning one side the other side also turns in the same direction. It?s acting like the diff is locked up in both directions and the wheels turn in both directions. Last night, the last time we tried turning the wheels backwards it was locked up. Maybe it only works up in the air!!!! > > Very puzzling!! I am not at all familiar with how the Detroit Locker works. It was the one thing on the car we never had to worry about. I guess I?ll learn something now? > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > Murphy?s Law Racing (very appropriate today!) > 1961 TR4 #317 BRG > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano at yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 10:24:02 2017 From: bschirano at yahoo.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards References: <005701d32b0e$f3d2eea0$db78cbe0$@gmail.com> Well I can say I had a similar experience with the GT, almost identical story, end finding was a ring gear bolt had worked out and jammed up the diff. Car went into the garage fine, two months later would not roll at all! 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell? BSchirano at yahoo.com On Monday, September 11, 2017, 5:27:57 PM GMT+2, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: We have a race this weekend at Elkhart Lake.? Just put engine/trans back in car.? Test drove on road.? In trying to backup, both rear wheels are locked solid.? Trying to reverse just stalls engine. ? Last time the car was on the road was in May at Gingerman.? No problems.? Since then been sitting up in the air on the lift getting ?air time? while new block being machined. ? Very puzzling how sitting up in the air would cause diff problem.? Car now has more ?air time? on the lift than track time! ? Have taken cover off diff, everything looks okay.? No pieces of metal.? Gear oil pretty black, has been in there about 10 years. ? Both ring and pinion look okay. ? Put fresh Reline gear oil in and buttoned up. ? Tried again on lift. ? Turning drive shaft (trans in neutral), can turn both forward and backward.? Both wheels turn. ? Try in driveway, same result, cannot backup, trying just stalls engine. ? We could get the car back on the lift by driving forward and turning around in the cul-de-sac by the house.? Did donuts in the cul-de-sac to see how diff reacted.? Left two nice black marks in the donut.? Accelerated forward and the diff was unlocked because there is just one long black streak.? I?ll have to ask Ryan how it sounded and acted.? He was driving to do that. ? When car back on lift, same thing, both rear wheels locked up when trying to turn backwards last night. ? We can make diff lock and unlock by holding one wheel and turning the other wheel forward.? Not sure about specifics, wasn?t taking notes. ? So far, we can make it work, sometimes on the lift, by turning the driveshaft.? But once on the ground we cannot make if work under power.? We could push the car backwards out of the shop but once we drove forward and tried to back up the wheels were again locked. ? Any insight or suggestions will be much appreciated.? Is this a typical failure mode for a Detroit Locker?? Any suggestions for further examination and testing?? The last time we drove the car back into the shop to put up on the lift we heard a pretty loud ?clicking? noise from the diff.? Never noticed this before but wasn?t necessarily listening for it before either. ? Very interesting, I just tried turning the wheels with car on lift and can turn both wheels, individually, both forward and backward, no problem.? It is now not locked up in the backwards direction.? When turning one side the other side also turns in the same direction.? It?s acting like the diff is locked up in both directions and the wheels turn in both directions.? Last night, the last time we tried turning the wheels backwards it was locked up.? Maybe it only works up in the air!!!! ? Very puzzling!!? I am not at all familiar with how the Detroit Locker works.? It was the one thing on the car we never had to worry about.? I guess I?ll learn something now? ? Tim and Ryan Murphy Murphy?s Law Racing? (very appropriate today!) 1961 TR4 #317 BRG _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 11 10:59:16 2017 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards References: <005701d32b0e$f3d2eea0$db78cbe0$@gmail.com> Tim,Are you sure its the diff not the trans? One more thing to look at only if you have an overdrive - my overdrive caused exactly that symptom once when the actuator pressure didn't leak down properly due to swarf in the tiny bleed passage. It stuck in overdrive which caused the one-way-forward over-ride clutch to engage. The driveshaft then refused to rotate in reverse. It rotated forward freely but was capable of holding off considerable reverse torque as it drove the small rollers up their ramps tighter against the clutch. Problem would go away in a few minutes as the oil bled down. The same could also happen if the OD lever is a little off and the OD valve is constantly engaged with the solenoid off. If the car's in the air you can run the engine to build pressure and manually toggle the overdrive lever to assure it clunks in and clunks out. Hope that helps. Gary Schneider From: timmmurphh--- via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards We have a race this weekend at Elkhart Lake.? Just put engine/trans back in car.? Test drove on road.? In trying to backup, both rear wheels are locked solid.? Trying to reverse just stalls engine. ?Last time the car was on the road was in May at Gingerman.? No problems.? Since then been sitting up in the air on the lift getting ?air time? while new block being machined. ?Very puzzling how sitting up in the air would cause diff problem.? Car now has more ?air time? on the lift than track time! ?Have taken cover off diff, everything looks okay.? No pieces of metal.? Gear oil pretty black, has been in there about 10 years. ?Both ring and pinion look okay. ?Put fresh Reline gear oil in and buttoned up. ?Tried again on lift. ?Turning drive shaft (trans in neutral), can turn both forward and backward.? Both wheels turn. ?Try in driveway, same result, cannot backup, trying just stalls engine. ?We could get the car back on the lift by driving forward and turning around in the cul-de-sac by the house.? Did donuts in the cul-de-sac to see how diff reacted.? Left two nice black marks in the donut.? Accelerated forward and the diff was unlocked because there is just one long black streak.? I?ll have to ask Ryan how it sounded and acted.? He was driving to do that. ?When car back on lift, same thing, both rear wheels locked up when trying to turn backwards last night. ?We can make diff lock and unlock by holding one wheel and turning the other wheel forward.? Not sure about specifics, wasn?t taking notes. ?So far, we can make it work, sometimes on the lift, by turning the driveshaft.? But once on the ground we cannot make if work under power.? We could push the car backwards out of the shop but once we drove forward and tried to back up the wheels were again locked. ?Any insight or suggestions will be much appreciated.? Is this a typical failure mode for a Detroit Locker?? Any suggestions for further examination and testing?? The last time we drove the car back into the shop to put up on the lift we heard a pretty loud ?clicking? noise from the diff.? Never noticed this before but wasn?t necessarily listening for it before either. ?Very interesting, I just tried turning the wheels with car on lift and can turn both wheels, individually, both forward and backward, no problem.? It is now not locked up in the backwards direction.? When turning one side the other side also turns in the same direction.? It?s acting like the diff is locked up in both directions and the wheels turn in both directions.? Last night, the last time we tried turning the wheels backwards it was locked up.? Maybe it only works up in the air!!!! ?Very puzzling!!? I am not at all familiar with how the Detroit Locker works.? It was the one thing on the car we never had to worry about.? I guess I?ll learn something now? ?Tim and Ryan MurphyMurphy?s Law Racing? (very appropriate today!)1961 TR4 #317 BRG_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 11:05:09 2017 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 17:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards References: <005701d32b0e$f3d2eea0$db78cbe0$@gmail.com> Hi, I agree that you need to make sure that the tranny isn't locked... I have seen situations where one of the synchros "sticks" to the synchro hub and the shifter is in neutral. You cannot spin the transmission if you select any gear but the one that's "stuck" because in effect two gears are engaged at the same time and "you can't do that". The behavior of the Detroit Locker is also a mystery to me - I? installed one in my car once and was able to determine that I had "one wheel drive". Pulled it out that night. In fact, teh locker is still sitting on the bench if any body is interested in it, but I won't "give" is away. c ya,Bob Lang339-927-4489 On Monday, September 11, 2017 12:30 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: I researched these a few years ago because I began rebuilding a Morgan race car that has a Detroit Locker. ?I puzzled over the behavior of the differential until I removed the rear cover and realized what I had. ?These are better described as a Detroit ?unlocker? since they are always locked until the one wheel is trying to turn faster than the other ? it sounds odd, but as far as I can tell, the inside wheel takes all the drive while the outside wheel is along for the ride. ?If the inside one begins to slip, it seems the diff locks again so drive goes to the outside wheel again. ?I imagine the trick is to set it up so that it doesn?t lock/unlock constantly while cornering. ? They are great for drag racing and apparently were designed that way to allow easier turn-off at the end of the 1/4 mile run. ?I know of another person in the Pacific Northwest who races a Morgan with a Detroit Locker and has no complaints about it. ?Yours behaves like mine except for not being able to back up. But to your situation ? one clue is that you just put the transmission back in the car, which suggests that even if the gearbox did not undergo disassembly it was at probably disturbed. ?Might it be possible that the gearbox is selecting reverse and another gear at the same time? ?I suppose the only way to check this is to d/c the driveshaft, select reverse and see what happens when you let out the clutch. ?No need to have the engine running ? if you select reverse with the clutch disengaged you would normally be able to overcome the drag of the gears to rotate the driveshaft. Duncan On Sep 11, 2017, at 10:02 AM, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: We have a race this weekend at Elkhart Lake.? Just put engine/trans back in car.? Test drove on road.? In trying to backup, both rear wheels are locked solid.? Trying to reverse just stalls engine. ?Last time the car was on the road was in May at Gingerman.? No problems.? Since then been sitting up in the air on the lift getting ?air time? while new block being machined. ?Very puzzling how sitting up in the air would cause diff problem.? Car now has more ?air time? on the lift than track time! ?Have taken cover off diff, everything looks okay.? No pieces of metal.? Gear oil pretty black, has been in there about 10 years. ?Both ring and pinion look okay. ?Put fresh Reline gear oil in and buttoned up. ?Tried again on lift. ?Turning drive shaft (trans in neutral), can turn both forward and backward.? Both wheels turn. ?Try in driveway, same result, cannot backup, trying just stalls engine. ?We could get the car back on the lift by driving forward and turning around in the cul-de-sac by the house.? Did donuts in the cul-de-sac to see how diff reacted.? Left two nice black marks in the donut.? Accelerated forward and the diff was unlocked because there is just one long black streak.? I?ll have to ask Ryan how it sounded and acted.? He was driving to do that. ?When car back on lift, same thing, both rear wheels locked up when trying to turn backwards last night. ?We can make diff lock and unlock by holding one wheel and turning the other wheel forward.? Not sure about specifics, wasn?t taking notes. ?So far, we can make it work, sometimes on the lift, by turning the driveshaft.? But once on the ground we cannot make if work under power.? We could push the car backwards out of the shop but once we drove forward and tried to back up the wheels were again locked. ?Any insight or suggestions will be much appreciated.? Is this a typical failure mode for a Detroit Locker?? Any suggestions for further examination and testing?? The last time we drove the car back into the shop to put up on the lift we heard a pretty loud ?clicking? noise from the diff.? Never noticed this before but wasn?t necessarily listening for it before either. ?Very interesting, I just tried turning the wheels with car on lift and can turn both wheels, individually, both forward and backward, no problem.? It is?now not locked up in the backwards direction.? When turning one side the other side also turns?in the same direction.? It?s acting like the diff is locked up in both directions and the wheels turn in both directions.? Last night, the last time we tried turning the wheels backwards it was locked up.? Maybe it only works up in the air!!!! ?Very puzzling!!? I am not at all familiar with how the Detroit Locker works.? It was the one thing on the car we never had to worry about.? I guess I?ll learn something now? ?Tim and Ryan MurphyMurphy?s Law Racing? (very appropriate today!)1961 TR4 #317 BRG_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:?http://www.team.net/archive Forums:?http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timmmurphh at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 11:45:09 2017 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 12:45:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards Problem solved. The OD was engaged!! The operating lever was not adjusted properly. Once out of OD, the Detroit Locker worked just fine. We will be at Elkhart lake this weekend!!!! We will adjust the operating lever per the Triumph Workshop Manual and should then have the OD solenoid working properly. Thanks for all the responses, much appreciated. Glad was an easy fix. Tim and Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Mon Sep 11 13:28:18 2017 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:28:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards References: <005701d32b0e$f3d2eea0$db78cbe0$@gmail.com> <327593662.6990168.1505149156416@mail.yahoo.com> That was my first thought as well, but Gary beat me to it. John   On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:59:16 +0000 (UTC), Gary Schneider via Fot wrote:   Tim, Are you sure its the diff not the trans? One more thing to look at only if you have an overdrive - my overdrive caused exactly that symptom once when the actuator pressure didn't leak down properly due to swarf in the tiny bleed passage. It stuck in overdrive which caused the one-way-forward over-ride clutch to engage. The driveshaft then refused to rotate in reverse. It rotated forward freely but was capable of holding off considerable reverse torque as it drove the small rollers up their ramps tighter against the clutch. Problem would go away in a few minutes as the oil bled down.   The same could also happen if the OD lever is a little off and the OD valve is constantly engaged with the solenoid off.   If the car's in the air you can run the engine to build pressure and manually toggle the overdrive lever to assure it clunks in and clunks out.   Hope that helps. Gary Schneider     From: timmmurphh--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards   We have a race this weekend at Elkhart Lake. Just put engine/trans back in car. Test drove on road. In trying to backup, both rear wheels are locked solid. Trying to reverse just stalls engine.   Last time the car was on the road was in May at Gingerman. No problems. Since then been sitting up in the air on the lift getting ?air time? while new block being machined.   Very puzzling how sitting up in the air would cause diff problem. Car now has more ?air time? on the lift than track time!   Have taken cover off diff, everything looks okay. No pieces of metal. Gear oil pretty black, has been in there about 10 years.   Both ring and pinion look okay.   Put fresh Reline gear oil in and buttoned up.   Tried again on lift.   Turning drive shaft (trans in neutral), can turn both forward and backward. Both wheels turn.   Try in driveway, same result, cannot backup, trying just stalls engine.   We could get the car back on the lift by driving forward and turning around in the cul-de-sac by the house. Did donuts in the cul-de-sac to see how diff reacted. Left two nice black marks in the donut. Accelerated forward and the diff was unlocked because there is just one long black streak. I?ll have to ask Ryan how it sounded and acted. He was driving to do that.   When car back on lift, same thing, both rear wheels locked up when trying to turn backwards last night.   We can make diff lock and unlock by holding one wheel and turning the other wheel forward. Not sure about specifics, wasn?t taking notes.   So far, we can make it work, sometimes on the lift, by turning the driveshaft. But once on the ground we cannot make if work under power. We could push the car backwards out of the shop but once we drove forward and tried to back up the wheels were again locked.   Any insight or suggestions will be much appreciated. Is this a typical failure mode for a Detroit Locker? Any suggestions for further examination and testing? The last time we drove the car back into the shop to put up on the lift we heard a pretty loud ?clicking? noise from the diff. Never noticed this before but wasn?t necessarily listening for it before either.   Very interesting, I just tried turning the wheels with car on lift and can turn both wheels, individually, both forward and backward, no problem. It is now not locked up in the backwards direction. When turning one side the other side also turns in the same direction. It?s acting like the diff is locked up in both directions and the wheels turn in both directions. Last night, the last time we tried turning the wheels backwards it was locked up. Maybe it only works up in the air!!!!   Very puzzling!! I am not at all familiar with how the Detroit Locker works. It was the one thing on the car we never had to worry about. I guess I?ll learn something now?   Tim and Ryan Murphy Murphy?s Law Racing (very appropriate today!) 1961 TR4 #317 BRG _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive   _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff_durant at comcast.net Mon Sep 11 16:51:51 2017 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (Jeff) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:51:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards References: <005701d32b0e$f3d2eea0$db78cbe0$@gmail.com> <327593662.6990168.1505149156416@mail.yahoo.com> <201709111928.v8BJSIAP012930@mail43c28.carrierzone.com> Ah...the old OD stuck, don't back-up issue! I didn't consider as I don't run OD in the TR6 racer. Good calls! Glad all is well Tim! Jeff Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 11, 2017, at 12:28 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > That was my first thought as well, but Gary beat me to it. > > John > > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:59:16 +0000 (UTC), Gary Schneider via Fot wrote: > > Tim, > Are you sure its the diff not the trans? One more thing to look at only if you have an overdrive - my overdrive caused exactly that symptom once when the actuator pressure didn't leak down properly due to swarf in the tiny bleed passage. It stuck in overdrive which caused the one-way-forward over-ride clutch to engage. The driveshaft then refused to rotate in reverse. It rotated forward freely but was capable of holding off considerable reverse torque as it drove the small rollers up their ramps tighter against the clutch. Problem would go away in a few minutes as the oil bled down. > > The same could also happen if the OD lever is a little off and the OD valve is constantly engaged with the solenoid off. > > If the car's in the air you can run the engine to build pressure and manually toggle the overdrive lever to assure it clunks in and clunks out. > > Hope that helps. > Gary Schneider > > > > From: timmmurphh--- via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:11 AM > Subject: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards > > We have a race this weekend at Elkhart Lake. Just put engine/trans back in car. Test drove on road. In trying to backup, both rear wheels are locked solid. Trying to reverse just stalls engine. > > Last time the car was on the road was in May at Gingerman. No problems. Since then been sitting up in the air on the lift getting ?air time? while new block being machined. > > Very puzzling how sitting up in the air would cause diff problem. Car now has more ?air time? on the lift than track time! > > Have taken cover off diff, everything looks okay. No pieces of metal. Gear oil pretty black, has been in there about 10 years. > > Both ring and pinion look okay. > > Put fresh Reline gear oil in and buttoned up. > > Tried again on lift. > > Turning drive shaft (trans in neutral), can turn both forward and backward. Both wheels turn. > > Try in driveway, same result, cannot backup, trying just stalls engine. > > We could get the car back on the lift by driving forward and turning around in the cul-de-sac by the house. Did donuts in the cul-de-sac to see how diff reacted. Left two nice black marks in the donut. Accelerated forward and the diff was unlocked because there is just one long black streak. I?ll have to ask Ryan how it sounded and acted. He was driving to do that. > > When car back on lift, same thing, both rear wheels locked up when trying to turn backwards last night. > > We can make diff lock and unlock by holding one wheel and turning the other wheel forward. Not sure about specifics, wasn?t taking notes. > > So far, we can make it work, sometimes on the lift, by turning the driveshaft. But once on the ground we cannot make if work under power. We could push the car backwards out of the shop but once we drove forward and tried to back up the wheels were again locked. > > Any insight or suggestions will be much appreciated. Is this a typical failure mode for a Detroit Locker? Any suggestions for further examination and testing? The last time we drove the car back into the shop to put up on the lift we heard a pretty loud ?clicking? noise from the diff. Never noticed this before but wasn?t necessarily listening for it before either. > > Very interesting, I just tried turning the wheels with car on lift and can turn both wheels, individually, both forward and backward, no problem. It is now not locked up in the backwards direction. When turning one side the other side also turns in the same direction. It?s acting like the diff is locked up in both directions and the wheels turn in both directions. Last night, the last time we tried turning the wheels backwards it was locked up. Maybe it only works up in the air!!!! > > Very puzzling!! I am not at all familiar with how the Detroit Locker works. It was the one thing on the car we never had to worry about. I guess I?ll learn something now? > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > Murphy?s Law Racing (very appropriate today!) > 1961 TR4 #317 BRG > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff_durant at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards References: <00c301d32b25$bc4b9290$34e2b7b0$@gmail.com> Glad that it was an easy fix.  Thanks for the update. John     On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 12:45:09 -0500, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: Problem solved. The OD was engaged!! The operating lever was not adjusted properly. Once out of OD, the Detroit Locker worked just fine. We will be at Elkhart lake this weekend!!!! We will adjust the operating lever per the Triumph Workshop Manual and should then have the OD solenoid working properly. Thanks for all the responses, much appreciated. Glad was an easy fix. Tim and Ryan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ac at camoletti.ch Tue Sep 12 07:28:48 2017 From: ac at camoletti.ch (AC) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:28:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive adjustment Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards Good you solved it ! Just one thought : when adjusting the overdrive, the official procedure (lever aligned with the hole) does not always work (due to wear or other factors). Mine slipped with the official adjustment. You have to adjust it with a pressure gauge (and the adaptor) based on the gauge readings and you will get it right 100%. On mine the correct lever adjustment was pretty far from the official hole alignment setting. I do not have the info at hand (in the home PC), but I can forward the pressures etc t if you need, or you may find the details in the forum?s archive. All the best for the Elkhart Lake WE! Alex Camoletti (Switzerland) De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de R. John Lye via Fot Envoy? : mardi 12 septembre 2017 14:15 ? : timmmurphh at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Objet : Re: [Fot] Urgent! TR4 Detroit Locker problem, locks wheels going backwards Glad that it was an easy fix. Thanks for the update. John On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 12:45:09 -0500, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: Problem solved. The OD was engaged!! The operating lever was not adjusted properly. Once out of OD, the Detroit Locker worked just fine. We will be at Elkhart lake this weekend!!!! We will adjust the operating lever per the Triumph Workshop Manual and should then have the OD solenoid working properly. Thanks for all the responses, much appreciated. Glad was an easy fix. Tim and Ryan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Sep 12 09:07:49 2017 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: I'll second that Irv. Glad to see your old car is back in capable hands. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irv Korey via Fot" To: "fot" Cc: "Alan Berry" Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 8:55:19 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination Good morning, All. I would like to nominate Alan Berry to our non organization. As I am typing this, Alan is driving home with my former TR4 in tow. Alan is an experienced vintage racer, formerly in a Volvo, and I am thrilled to know that my beloved TR4 car is in the hands of an actual racer, as opposed o the poser that bought the car from me. Alan lives close to Kas, and they have already been in contact. Alan's email is: alanb@ alanberrydesign.com May I have a second? 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Maybe I'm just jealous you have that much hair. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 12 15:51:08 2017 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 21:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA @ RA References: <15e77804a89-c0d-5fb09@webjas-vab142.srv.aolmail.net> Nice to hear from you Bill. Hope the bathing beauty and you are doing better than good. Tony Drews came through with an overcrew. No hair cut. At $9 for a haircut as a pensioner I can only afford one per year. Maybe? Enjoy my friend. Ernie On Tuesday, September 12, 2017, 3:10:51 PM EDT, Bill Dentinger wrote: From: ehusmann53 via Fot To: FOT Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 6:15 pm Subject: [Fot] VSCDA @ RA Likely too late but anyone got an overcrowded slot available for this weekend at Road America that I could use. Thanks Ernie... I hope you find a crew pass. And I wish I was gonna be there too. But sadly, I won't. 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Sep 13 18:56:42 2017 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:56:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] D Type Overdrive 10.cox.net> References: <20170913231258.MYNP30763.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210.cox.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garygret at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 13 23:39:08 2017 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 05:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] D Type Overdrive References: <20170913231258.MYNP30763.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210.cox.net> <20170913231258.MYNP30763.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo2 10.cox.net> <20170914005643.962AC1089DE@relay.mailchannels.net> Agree, I used Hylomar on several OD rebuilds and never lost a drop at that joint anyway. Squishy blue stuff that never hardens. Gary From: Tony Drews via Fot To: Joe Curry ; FOT at autox.team.net; Triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] D Type Overdrive Hylomar is often used where there are no gaskets. Tony Drews At 06:12 PM 9/13/2017, Joe Curry via Fot wrote: I am undertakingthe refurbishment of a D-Type overdrive unit and I see that there is nogasket between the brake ring and the halves of the case assembly.?The Haynes manual specifies using ?jointing compound? on the matingsurfaces.? What is the recommended stuff that is available today forthis purpose? ? Thanks, Joe C. ? Sent from my HAL-9000 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:http://www.team.net/archive Forums:http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 09:37:53 2017 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away FOT I'm not on the FOT list so I do not know if this news has made it to the community. I saw on on Facebook last night that Ed Barnard passed away unexpectedly Monday night. I knew he had a complicated medical situation but I don't know what happened. He leaves behind a blended family including Willie and Josh who we've met many times at the track and a bunch of folks who relied on him for everything from tech advice to restoring cars. He will be missed at the track and in the Triumph community. I first met Ed via the South Central VTR Regionals. I was still in the start up phase of the Hill Country Triumph Club, and combining roles as club president and doing the dot matrix printed RAGTOP monthly. I didn't know Ed at the time as but all the clubs shared newsletters and Ed handled the duties for the Red River Triumph Club. We had occasionally communicated about the various events going on around the state. I think he worked for Jeff Sloan's British Auto Specialists at the time and was still racing his Spitfire. Anyway, in the RRTC newsletter, Ed had said some disparaging things about TR7's and being a defender of all things Triumph I called him to task for it. We were still a very small club at the time. Austin was in the early stages of massive growth and our younger demographics meant that we had a number of members with TR7's and 8's. We met and talked it out at the regional held in Houston and became friends. He was mostly kidding about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time as they have for pretty much everyone else. I really didn't get to know Ed until I started racing with CVAR. He was always at TWS helping in a variety of ways. He helped racers, helped the club and having an affinity for Triumphs he migrated to the Triumph pits daily. I always found it humorous, and I hope I don't offend anyone here, that some guys loved the work that Ed did on their race cars and some, rightfully or not, blamed him for the stuff that went wrong. The same guys, in a different year, might trade places and opinions about Ed's workmanship. The truth is he was a great resource. It's racing, stuff breaks. It isn't easy and you know what, if we are honest we know that we screw stuff up all the time in racing. Move on and smile, that's what Ed did. As the years went by I drove many a lap around TWS knowing that Ed was on a corner cheering on the Triumphs. We are not pro racers. Nobody is keeping stats. We race mostly for our own satisfaction and maybe to earn a little respect inside our clan. If you haven't ever raced you don't know the how it feels to get a race car with competitors all around you. Even after you've done it a hundred times the doubts and nerves still creep in. You get a little sick to your stomach; probably from influxes of anticipation driven adrenaline. The whistle blows, we start the cars and during the pace lap it all gets replaced with focus. We are supposed to check out the flag stations on that lap but I don't ever recall seeing Ed, but on the cool down lap there he would be, clapping his hands in approval. That's how I will remember Ed. Bob Kramer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From explore8 at outlook.com Thu Sep 14 10:31:46 2017 From: explore8 at outlook.com (D V) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 16:31:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away References: <000f01d32d6f$6ee24a20$4ca6de60$@com> Well said Kramer. There are multiple stories of Ed jumping in to lend a hand to the Texas rabble when our Triumphs have broken down or hauling back to his shop in Arlington for a part (in fact, he was there in May at MSR Cresson when Glenn?s spitfire lost its starter). It was shocking to see the news on Facebook as Ed and I chatted quite a bit over the spring while he was getting that red/white spitfire ready for Cresson. My first meeting with Ed was as a newb driver with a new to me spitfire that the alternator had just exploded on a race right before lunch at TWS. I had just finished driving school and Ed saw me being towed in. Instead of eating lunch with the other corner workers, he was over there immediately and had me back on track. He will be missed. Derek Sent from my iPhone FOT I?m not on the FOT list so I do not know if this news has made it to the community. I saw on on Facebook last night that Ed Barnard passed away unexpectedly Monday night. I knew he had a complicated medical situation but I don't know what happened. He leaves behind a blended family including Willie and Josh who we've met many times at the track and a bunch of folks who relied on him for everything from tech advice to restoring cars. He will be missed at the track and in the Triumph community. I first met Ed via the South Central VTR Regionals. I was still in the start up phase of the Hill Country Triumph Club, and combining roles as club president and doing the dot matrix printed RAGTOP monthly. I didn't know Ed at the time as but all the clubs shared newsletters and Ed handled the duties for the Red River Triumph Club. We had occasionally communicated about the various events going on around the state. I think he worked for Jeff Sloan?s British Auto Specialists at the time and was still racing his Spitfire. Anyway, in the RRTC newsletter, Ed had said some disparaging things about TR7's and being a defender of all things Triumph I called him to task for it. We were still a very small club at the time. Austin was in the early stages of massive growth and our younger demographics meant that we had a number of members with TR7's and 8's. We met and talked it out at the regional held in Houston and became friends. He was mostly kidding about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time as they have for pretty much everyone else. I really didn't get to know Ed until I started racing with CVAR. He was always at TWS helping in a variety of ways. He helped racers, helped the club and having an affinity for Triumphs he migrated to the Triumph pits daily. I always found it humorous, and I hope I don't offend anyone here, that some guys loved the work that Ed did on their race cars and some, rightfully or not, blamed him for the stuff that went wrong. The same guys, in a different year, might trade places and opinions about Ed's workmanship. The truth is he was a great resource. It's racing, stuff breaks. It isn't easy and you know what, if we are honest we know that we screw stuff up all the time in racing. Move on and smile, that's what Ed did. As the years went by I drove many a lap around TWS knowing that Ed was on a corner cheering on the Triumphs. We are not pro racers. Nobody is keeping stats. We race mostly for our own satisfaction and maybe to earn a little respect inside our clan. If you haven't ever raced you don't know the how it feels to get a race car with competitors all around you. Even after you've done it a hundred times the doubts and nerves still creep in. You get a little sick to your stomach; probably from influxes of anticipation driven adrenaline. The whistle blows, we start the cars and during the pace lap it all gets replaced with focus. We are supposed to check out the flag stations on that lap but I don't ever recall seeing Ed, but on the cool down lap there he would be, clapping his hands in approval. That's how I will remember Ed. Bob Kramer _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 14 10:38:38 2017 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:38:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away References: <000f01d32d6f$6ee24a20$4ca6de60$@com> Bob... How sad to hear of Ed's passing. Your warm testimony helps a lot. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer via Fot To: fot Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 2017 9:09 am Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away FOT I?m not on the FOT list so I do not know if this news has made it to the community. I saw on on Facebook last night that Ed Barnard passed away unexpectedly Monday night. I knew he had a complicated medical situation but I don't know what happened. He leaves behind a blended family including Willie and Josh who we've met many times at the track and a bunch of folks who relied on him for everything from tech advice to restoring cars. He will be missed at the track and in the Triumph community. I first met Ed via the South Central VTR Regionals. I was still in the start up phase of the Hill Country Triumph Club, and combining roles as club president and doing the dot matrix printed RAGTOP monthly. I didn't know Ed at the time as but all the clubs shared newsletters and Ed handled the duties for the Red River Triumph Club. We had occasionally communicated about the various events going on around the state. I think he worked for Jeff Sloan?s British Auto Specialists at the time and was still racing his Spitfire. Anyway, in the RRTC newsletter, Ed had said some disparaging things about TR7's and being a defender of all things Triumph I called him to task for it. We were still a very small club at the time. Austin was in the early stages of massive growth and our younger demographics meant that we had a number of members with TR7's and 8's. We met and talked it out at the regional held in Houston and became friends. He was mostly kidding about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time as they have for pretty much everyone else. I really didn't get to know Ed until I started racing with CVAR. He was always at TWS helping in a variety of ways. He helped racers, helped the club and having an affinity for Triumphs he migrated to the Triumph pits daily. I always found it humorous, and I hope I don't offend anyone here, that some guys loved the work that Ed did on their race cars and some, rightfully or not, blamed him for the stuff that went wrong. The same guys, in a different year, might trade places and opinions about Ed's workmanship. The truth is he was a great resource. It's racing, stuff breaks. It isn't easy and you know what, if we are honest we know that we screw stuff up all the time in racing. Move on and smile, that's what Ed did. As the years went by I drove many a lap around TWS knowing that Ed was on a corner cheering on the Triumphs. We are not pro racers. Nobody is keeping stats. We race mostly for our own satisfaction and maybe to earn a little respect inside our clan. If you haven't ever raced you don't know the how it feels to get a race car with competitors all around you. Even after you've done it a hundred times the doubts and nerves still creep in. You get a little sick to your stomach; probably from influxes of anticipation driven adrenaline. The whistle blows, we start the cars and during the pace lap it all gets replaced with focus. We are supposed to check out the flag stations on that lap but I don't ever recall seeing Ed, but on the cool down lap there he would be, clapping his hands in approval. That's how I will remember Ed. Bob Kramer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Sep 14 10:45:47 2017 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:45:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 transmission mount position Is the tr4 and tr6 transmission chassis mount in the same position? Thanks MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Sep 14 12:01:59 2017 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:01:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away References: <000f01d32d6f$6ee24a20$4ca6de60$@com> Bob, Thanks for the information and comments, well said. I certainly found Ed to be a great resource when I started vintage racing 15 years ago. Our paths haven't crossed often in recent years. I was disappointed when he didn't make it to Lake Texoma last fall for the national meet. I hope the auto wreck that prevented his attendance didn't contribute to his death. He had enough other health issues. ??? - Larry On 9/14/2017 10:37 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > FOT > > I?m not on the FOT list so I do not know if this news has made it to > the community. I saw on on?Facebook last night that Ed Barnard passed > away unexpectedly?Monday?night. I knew he had a complicated medical > situation but I don't know what happened. He leaves behind a blended > family including Willie and Josh who we've met many times at the track > and a bunch of folks who relied on him for everything from tech advice > to restoring cars. He will be missed at the track and in the Triumph > community. > > I first met Ed via the South Central VTR Regionals. I was still in the > start up phase of the Hill Country Triumph Club, and combining roles > as club president and doing the dot matrix printed RAGTOP monthly. I > didn't know Ed at the time as but all the clubs shared newsletters and > Ed handled the duties for the Red River Triumph Club. We had > occasionally communicated about the various events going on around the > state. I think he worked for Jeff Sloan?s British Auto Specialists at > the time and was still racing his Spitfire. Anyway, in the?RRTC > newsletter, Ed had said some disparaging?things about TR7's and being > a defender of all things Triumph I called him to task for it. We were > still a very small club at the time. Austin was in the early stages of > massive growth and our younger demographics meant that we had a number > of members with TR7's and 8's. We met and talked it out at the > regional held in Houston and became friends. He was mostly kidding > about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time as they have for > pretty much everyone else. > > I really didn't get to know Ed until I started racing with CVAR. He > was always at TWS helping in a variety of ways. He helped racers, > helped the club and having an affinity for Triumphs?he migrated to the > Triumph pits daily. I always found it humorous, and I hope I don't > offend anyone here, that some guys loved the work that Ed did on their > race cars?and some, rightfully or not, ?blamed him for the stuff that > went wrong. The same guys, in a different year, might trade places and > opinions about Ed's workmanship. The truth is he was a great resource. > It's racing, stuff breaks. It isn't easy and you know what, if we are > honest we know that we screw stuff up all the time in racing. Move on > and smile, that's what Ed did. > > As the years went by I drove many a lap around?TWS knowing that Ed was > on a corner cheering on the Triumphs. We are not pro racers. Nobody is > keeping stats. We race mostly for our own satisfaction and maybe to > earn a little respect inside our clan. If you haven't ever raced you > don't know the how it feels to get a race car with competitors all > around you. Even after you've done it a hundred times the doubts and > nerves still creep in. ?You get a little sick to your stomach; > probably from influxes of anticipation driven adrenaline. The whistle > blows, we start the cars and during the pace lap it all gets replaced > with focus. We are supposed to check out the flag stations on that lap > but I don't ever recall seeing Ed, ?but on the cool down lap there he > would be, clapping his hands in approval. > > That's how I will remember Ed. > > Bob Kramer > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 12:33:59 2017 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:33:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away References: <000f01d32d6f$6ee24a20$4ca6de60$@com> Bob, Thanks for your words ? you obviously saw a lot more of Ed than I did, but it hasn?t been all that long since he and Josh and I ate dinner together at TWS. Nice guy ? he will be missed. Duncan > On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:31 AM, D V via Fot wrote: > >> >> Well said Kramer. There are multiple stories of Ed jumping in to lend a hand to the Texas rabble when our Triumphs have broken down or hauling back to his shop in Arlington for a part (in fact, he was there in May at MSR Cresson when Glenn?s spitfire lost its starter). It was shocking to see the news on Facebook as Ed and I chatted quite a bit over the spring while he was getting that red/white spitfire ready for Cresson. >> >> My first meeting with Ed was as a newb driver with a new to me spitfire that the alternator had just exploded on a race right before lunch at TWS. I had just finished driving school and Ed saw me being towed in. Instead of eating lunch with the other corner workers, he was over there immediately and had me back on track. >> >> He will be missed. > Derek > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> FOT >> >> I?m not on the FOT list so I do not know if this news has made it to the community. I saw on on Facebook last night that Ed Barnard passed away unexpectedly Monday night. I knew he had a complicated medical situation but I don't know what happened. He leaves behind a blended family including Willie and Josh who we've met many times at the track and a bunch of folks who relied on him for everything from tech advice to restoring cars. He will be missed at the track and in the Triumph community. >> >> I first met Ed via the South Central VTR Regionals. I was still in the start up phase of the Hill Country Triumph Club, and combining roles as club president and doing the dot matrix printed RAGTOP monthly. I didn't know Ed at the time as but all the clubs shared newsletters and Ed handled the duties for the Red River Triumph Club. We had occasionally communicated about the various events going on around the state. I think he worked for Jeff Sloan?s British Auto Specialists at the time and was still racing his Spitfire. Anyway, in the RRTC newsletter, Ed had said some disparaging things about TR7's and being a defender of all things Triumph I called him to task for it. We were still a very small club at the time. Austin was in the early stages of massive growth and our younger demographics meant that we had a number of members with TR7's and 8's. We met and talked it out at the regional held in Houston and became friends. He was mostly kidding about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time as they have for pretty much everyone else. >> >> I really didn't get to know Ed until I started racing with CVAR. He was always at TWS helping in a variety of ways. He helped racers, helped the club and having an affinity for Triumphs he migrated to the Triumph pits daily. I always found it humorous, and I hope I don't offend anyone here, that some guys loved the work that Ed did on their race cars and some, rightfully or not, blamed him for the stuff that went wrong. The same guys, in a different year, might trade places and opinions about Ed's workmanship. The truth is he was a great resource. It's racing, stuff breaks. It isn't easy and you know what, if we are honest we know that we screw stuff up all the time in racing. Move on and smile, that's what Ed did. >> >> As the years went by I drove many a lap around TWS knowing that Ed was on a corner cheering on the Triumphs. We are not pro racers. Nobody is keeping stats. We race mostly for our own satisfaction and maybe to earn a little respect inside our clan. If you haven't ever raced you don't know the how it feels to get a race car with competitors all around you. Even after you've done it a hundred times the doubts and nerves still creep in. You get a little sick to your stomach; probably from influxes of anticipation driven adrenaline. The whistle blows, we start the cars and during the pace lap it all gets replaced with focus. 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My car will soon be for sale. A relevant message soon. On Sep 14, 2017 9:30 AM, "Bob Kramer via Fot" wrote: > FOT > > > > I?m not on the FOT list so I do not know if this news has made it to the > community. I saw on on Facebook last night that Ed Barnard passed away > unexpectedly Monday night. I knew he had a complicated medical situation > but I don't know what happened. He leaves behind a blended family including > Willie and Josh who we've met many times at the track and a bunch of folks > who relied on him for everything from tech advice to restoring cars. He > will be missed at the track and in the Triumph community. > > > > I first met Ed via the South Central VTR Regionals. I was still in the > start up phase of the Hill Country Triumph Club, and combining roles as > club president and doing the dot matrix printed RAGTOP monthly. I didn't > know Ed at the time as but all the clubs shared newsletters and Ed handled > the duties for the Red River Triumph Club. We had occasionally communicated > about the various events going on around the state. I think he worked for > Jeff Sloan?s British Auto Specialists at the time and was still racing his > Spitfire. Anyway, in the RRTC newsletter, Ed had said some > disparaging things about TR7's and being a defender of all things Triumph I > called him to task for it. We were still a very small club at the time. > Austin was in the early stages of massive growth and our younger > demographics meant that we had a number of members with TR7's and 8's. We > met and talked it out at the regional held in Houston and became friends. > He was mostly kidding about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time > as they have for pretty much everyone else. > > > > I really didn't get to know Ed until I started racing with CVAR. He was > always at TWS helping in a variety of ways. He helped racers, helped the > club and having an affinity for Triumphs he migrated to the Triumph pits > daily. I always found it humorous, and I hope I don't offend anyone here, > that some guys loved the work that Ed did on their race cars and some, > rightfully or not, blamed him for the stuff that went wrong. The same > guys, in a different year, might trade places and opinions about Ed's > workmanship. The truth is he was a great resource. It's racing, stuff > breaks. It isn't easy and you know what, if we are honest we know that we > screw stuff up all the time in racing. Move on and smile, that's what Ed > did. > > > > As the years went by I drove many a lap around TWS knowing that Ed was on > a corner cheering on the Triumphs. We are not pro racers. Nobody is keeping > stats. We race mostly for our own satisfaction and maybe to earn a little > respect inside our clan. If you haven't ever raced you don't know the how > it feels to get a race car with competitors all around you. Even after > you've done it a hundred times the doubts and nerves still creep in. You > get a little sick to your stomach; probably from influxes of anticipation > driven adrenaline. The whistle blows, we start the cars and during the pace > lap it all gets replaced with focus. We are supposed to check out the flag > stations on that lap but I don't ever recall seeing Ed, but on the cool > down lap there he would be, clapping his hands in approval. > > > > That's how I will remember Ed. > > > > Bob Kramer > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I first met Ed via the South Central VTR Regionals. I was still in the start up phase of the Hill Country Triumph Club, and combining roles as club president and doing the dot matrix printed RAGTOP monthly. I didn't know Ed at the time as but all the clubs shared newsletters and Ed handled the duties for the Red River Triumph Club. We had occasionally communicated about the various events going on around the state. I think he worked for Jeff Sloan?s British Auto Specialists at the time and was still racing his Spitfire. Anyway, in the RRTC newsletter, Ed had said some disparaging things about TR7's and being a defender of all things Triumph I called him to task for it. We were still a very small club at the time. Austin was in the early stages of massive growth and our younger demographics meant that we had a number of members with TR7's and 8's. We met and talked it out at the regional held in Houston and became friends. He was mostly kidding about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time as they have for pretty much everyone else. I really didn't get to know Ed until I started racing with CVAR. He was always at TWS helping in a variety of ways. He helped racers, helped the club and having an affinity for Triumphs he migrated to the Triumph pits daily. I always found it humorous, and I hope I don't offend anyone here, that some guys loved the work that Ed did on their race cars and some, rightfully or not, blamed him for the stuff that went wrong. The same guys, in a different year, might trade places and opinions about Ed's workmanship. The truth is he was a great resource. It's racing, stuff breaks. It isn't easy and you know what, if we are honest we know that we screw stuff up all the time in racing. Move on and smile, that's what Ed did. As the years went by I drove many a lap around TWS knowing that Ed was on a corner cheering on the Triumphs. We are not pro racers. Nobody is keeping stats. We race mostly for our own satisfaction and maybe to earn a little respect inside our clan. If you haven't ever raced you don't know the how it feels to get a race car with competitors all around you. Even after you've done it a hundred times the doubts and nerves still creep in. You get a little sick to your stomach; probably from influxes of anticipation driven adrenaline. The whistle blows, we start the cars and during the pace lap it all gets replaced with focus. We are supposed to check out the flag stations on that lap but I don't ever recall seeing Ed, but on the cool down lap there he would be, clapping his hands in approval. That's how I will remember Ed. Bob Kramer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 18:27:53 2017 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 19:27:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away References: <000f01d32d6f$6ee24a20$4ca6de60$@com> <15e821dc867-c06-6c8a4@webjas-vab013.srv.aolmail.net> ? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 14, 2017, at 3:39 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > I just got an email from Ed last Sunday evening, he was checking to see how things were in Fla. > Damn, Ed was a good man, very sorry to hear this. > Glen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 2017 12:22 pm > Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away > > FOT > > I?m not on the FOT list so I do not know if this news has made it to the community. I saw on on Facebook last night that Ed Barnard passed away unexpectedly Monday night. I knew he had a complicated medical situation but I don't know what happened. He leaves behind a blended family including Willie and Josh who we've met many times at the track and a bunch of folks who relied on him for everything from tech advice to restoring cars. He will be missed at the track and in the Triumph community. > > I first met Ed via the South Central VTR Regionals. I was still in the start up phase of the Hill Country Triumph Club, and combining roles as club president and doing the dot matrix printed RAGTOP monthly. I didn't know Ed at the time as but all the clubs shared newsletters and Ed handled the duties for the Red River Triumph Club. We had occasionally communicated about the various events going on around the state. I think he worked for Jeff Sloan?s British Auto Specialists at the time and was still racing his Spitfire. Anyway, in the RRTC newsletter, Ed had said some disparaging things about TR7's and being a defender of all things Triumph I called him to task for it. We were still a very small club at the time. Austin was in the early stages of massive growth and our younger demographics meant that we had a number of members with TR7's and 8's. We met and talked it out at the regional held in Houston and became friends. He was mostly kidding about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time as they have for pretty much everyone else. > > I really didn't get to know Ed until I started racing with CVAR. He was always at TWS helping in a variety of ways. He helped racers, helped the club and having an affinity for Triumphs he migrated to the Triumph pits daily. I always found it humorous, and I hope I don't offend anyone here, that some guys loved the work that Ed did on their race cars and some, rightfully or not, blamed him for the stuff that went wrong. The same guys, in a different year, might trade places and opinions about Ed's workmanship. The truth is he was a great resource. It's racing, stuff breaks. It isn't easy and you know what, if we are honest we know that we screw stuff up all the time in racing. Move on and smile, that's what Ed did. > > As the years went by I drove many a lap around TWS knowing that Ed was on a corner cheering on the Triumphs. We are not pro racers. Nobody is keeping stats. We race mostly for our own satisfaction and maybe to earn a little respect inside our clan. If you haven't ever raced you don't know the how it feels to get a race car with competitors all around you. Even after you've done it a hundred times the doubts and nerves still creep in. You get a little sick to your stomach; probably from influxes of anticipation driven adrenaline. The whistle blows, we start the cars and during the pace lap it all gets replaced with focus. We are supposed to check out the flag stations on that lap but I don't ever recall seeing Ed, but on the cool down lap there he would be, clapping his hands in approval. > > That's how I will remember Ed. > > Bob Kramer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Thu Sep 14 13:13:48 2017 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:13:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] D Type Overdrive Thanks to everyone who replied to my request regarding jointing compounds. After weighing all the suggestions and searching the internet on costs of these options, I have decided to get some Permatex Gasket Dressing and sealant. The ads compare it to Hylomar Universal Blue. The deciding factor was the size of the packaging and the resultant price. I don't need a huge supply that will go bad after opening and sitting on the shelf for years. Cheers, Joe Sent from my HAL-9000 _____ From: Gary Schneider [mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:39 PM To: Tony Drews; Joe Curry; FOT at autox.team.net; Triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] D Type Overdrive Agree, I used Hylomar on several OD rebuilds and never lost a drop at that joint anyway. Squishy blue stuff that never hardens. Gary _____ From: Tony Drews via Fot To: Joe Curry ; FOT at autox.team.net; Triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] D Type Overdrive Hylomar is often used where there are no gaskets. Tony Drews At 06:12 PM 9/13/2017, Joe Curry via Fot wrote: I am undertaking the refurbishment of a D-Type overdrive unit and I see that there is no gasket between the brake ring and the halves of the case assembly. The Haynes manual specifies using "jointing compound" on the mating surfaces. What is the recommended stuff that is available today for this purpose? Thanks, Joe C. 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A really good event > with lots of TR's entered. Even Group 44 had a display. Poster measures > 18" x 24". It's in an inexpensive plastic poster frame. We could remove > from frame and ship in a tube. A nice item with good graphics. Colors > are better than picture show. Had a hard time keeping light reflection > from washing the picture. To FOT first before going the great unwashed > eBay route. $15 + postage. Thanks, Ted > > -- > Ted Schumacher > tedtsimx at bright.net > http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > 108 S. Jefferson St. > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 > Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) > Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) > Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca > > If you are not the addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail by mistake, and delete it. We thank you for your support. From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Sep 15 08:26:25 2017 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:26:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away References: <000f01d32d6f$6ee24a20$4ca6de60$@com> Yes when I first met Ed, we shared our mutual dislike for the TR-7! He hauled a spit out here to fla to race @ PBIR, at least 20-25 years ago. We had Mikes TR-3 there and Ed was paddocked next to us. I can't recall all of the details but he had the normal teething problems, some would have put it back on the trailer, but that guy was just so full of enthusiasm and motivation, we kinda adopted him for the weekend and he got through it OK. I know that Ed had some problems, and he knew that we're all gonna take that final checked flag lap, but in spite of his medical issues, he never lost that enthusiasm or motivation. The rest I suppose is a small chapter in amateur Triumph sportscar racing history; his passing is a loss to the TR racing community, but an inspiration for all... Glen Ed had said some disparaging things about TR7's and being a defender of all things Triumph I called him to task for it. We were still a very small club at the time. Austin was in the early stages of massive growth and our younger demographics meant that we had a number of members with TR7's and 8's. We met and talked it out at the regional held in Houston and became friends. He was mostly kidding about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time as they have for pretty much everyone else. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer via Fot To: fot Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 2017 12:22 pm Subject: [Fot] Ed Barnard passed away FOT I?m not on the FOT list so I do not know if this news has made it to the community. I saw on on Facebook last night that Ed Barnard passed away unexpectedly Monday night. I knew he had a complicated medical situation but I don't know what happened. He leaves behind a blended family including Willie and Josh who we've met many times at the track and a bunch of folks who relied on him for everything from tech advice to restoring cars. He will be missed at the track and in the Triumph community. I first met Ed via the South Central VTR Regionals. I was still in the start up phase of the Hill Country Triumph Club, and combining roles as club president and doing the dot matrix printed RAGTOP monthly. I didn't know Ed at the time as but all the clubs shared newsletters and Ed handled the duties for the Red River Triumph Club. We had occasionally communicated about the various events going on around the state. I think he worked for Jeff Sloan?s British Auto Specialists at the time and was still racing his Spitfire. Anyway, in the RRTC newsletter, Ed had said some disparaging things about TR7's and being a defender of all things Triumph I called him to task for it. We were still a very small club at the time. Austin was in the early stages of massive growth and our younger demographics meant that we had a number of members with TR7's and 8's. We met and talked it out at the regional held in Houston and became friends. He was mostly kidding about the TR7's. I'm sure they grew on him over time as they have for pretty much everyone else. I really didn't get to know Ed until I started racing with CVAR. He was always at TWS helping in a variety of ways. He helped racers, helped the club and having an affinity for Triumphs he migrated to the Triumph pits daily. I always found it humorous, and I hope I don't offend anyone here, that some guys loved the work that Ed did on their race cars and some, rightfully or not, blamed him for the stuff that went wrong. The same guys, in a different year, might trade places and opinions about Ed's workmanship. The truth is he was a great resource. It's racing, stuff breaks. It isn't easy and you know what, if we are honest we know that we screw stuff up all the time in racing. Move on and smile, that's what Ed did. As the years went by I drove many a lap around TWS knowing that Ed was on a corner cheering on the Triumphs. We are not pro racers. Nobody is keeping stats. We race mostly for our own satisfaction and maybe to earn a little respect inside our clan. If you haven't ever raced you don't know the how it feels to get a race car with competitors all around you. Even after you've done it a hundred times the doubts and nerves still creep in. You get a little sick to your stomach; probably from influxes of anticipation driven adrenaline. The whistle blows, we start the cars and during the pace lap it all gets replaced with focus. We are supposed to check out the flag stations on that lap but I don't ever recall seeing Ed, but on the cool down lap there he would be, clapping his hands in approval. That's how I will remember Ed. Bob Kramer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Sat Sep 16 08:51:49 2017 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:51:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MGB?? It not a Triumph, but a friend may be interested in this car. Does anyone racing in the Southeast know anything about this car or the owner? Gil Jackson https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-mgb-vintage-racer-car/ Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 3255 West 26th Street Erie, PA 16506 Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 Fax: 888-865-5279 Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Sep 16 10:31:57 2017 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 12:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MGB?? References: Don't know about it but there's an MGB GT for sale in a couple weeks near Erie, '67. Should be nice as the owner was particular about things. I thought a Spitfire was to be auctioned also. Google Kevin Wheeler auctions if interested. NFI. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Moore via Fot To: fot Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:51 AM Subject: [Fot] MGB?? It not a Triumph, but a friend may be interested in this car. Does anyone racing in the Southeast know anything about this car or the owner? Gil Jackson https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-mgb-vintage-racer-car/ Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 3255 West 26th Street Erie, PA 16506 Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 Fax: 888-865-5279 Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. 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I finally sold the spitfire as a roller to a fellow scca racer who is getting it back up and running. Now I have left enough spitfire parts to sink a ship. I'm returning to my house this week for 14 days and I'll be able to get some stuff shipped out. And I'll be able to look for specific stuff. There is so much more than this list!!!! email me hpspitfire at gmail dot com Iphone (my india phone) +919742140222 after 20-Sept +13172608098 (my us phone) Ok. Since the spitfire has sold and I have a ton of stuff I need to get rid of. Most likely if you can think of it for a spitfire I have it! I have been out of the US, but will be back at my house for the runoffs. all prices OBO and include shipping unless otherwise noted Big Items: [b]1) ReK Racing Dog Ring Gearbox - $7000 currently with ReK for rebuild - and will build with any ratios you need[/b] shipping can be worked out between yourself and ReK 2) Quarter Master Flywheels - steel for 5.5" qmaster clutch $500/each (2 of them used) $675/each for new (qty 2) $900+ from quarter master 3) Qmaster Pro 5.5" single disc clutchs - $500/each new I think have 2 or 3 $70/each additional pressure plate, $70/each additional disc 4) ReK Racing Aluminum water pump housing using midget aluminum water pump $500 (setup for gilmer drive belt, you will need to come up with your own crank pulley to drive it 5) MG Midget/Sprite water pump - $80 (new) 2) Cylinder heads - $50/each I think there is at least 8 of them - Will not ship unless buyer pays shipping 3) Differentials - $150/each most are late model with 3.9, some 4.11- Will not ship unless buyer pays shipping 4) stock transmissions - $50 each probably 3 or 4 of them- Will not ship unless buyer pays shipping 5) fiberglass widebody 1500 rear fenders - $300 for the pair 2 pairs at least - will not ship 6) fiberglass widebody bonnet and air dam - $500 (won't ship, but can bring to runoffs) 7) Gaskets and lots of them! - would like $150 for the lot - its a giant tub of gaskets 8) NGK spark plugs - BR6ES, BR7ES, BR8ES, BR9ES $5/each If you need something specific let me know, i've probably got it. I know I have some revolution rims left - i need to inventory them and i'll post thursday night All this spitfire stuff needs to go! If anyone wants to come to my house and check stuff out during the week let me know. I will be there wholy between 20th-23rd and then from 30-3rd. Then i Head back to bangalore Regards, Aaron P. Johnson Chief Technical Officer International Aerospace Manufacturing Pvt. Ltd. A Rolls-Royce and HAL Joint Venture Survey No 3, Varthur Hobili, Kempapura Village, Bangalore East Taluk, Bangalore, India ? 560037 www.iampl.co.in Mobile: +91 97-42-140222 Direct: +91-80-25196704 aaron.johnson at iampl.co.in or aaron.p.johnson at rolls-royce.com Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It has attended the event many times. Paul Cressey is the owner/driver and his father races a '59 Vette. Anyway, I hope you all enjoy this video too. Dave H https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Gjkt9rMZI&t=960s -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpspitfire at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 20:47:42 2017 From: hpspitfire at gmail.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 08:17:42 +0530 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire part clearance sale References: Should have said. All parts are located in Indianapolis! Sent from my iPhone > On 18-Sep-2017, at 3:59 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > > All > > Well. I finally sold the spitfire as a roller to a fellow scca racer who is getting it back up and running. Now I have left enough spitfire parts to sink a ship. I'm returning to my house this week for 14 days and I'll be able to get some stuff shipped out. And I'll be able to look for specific stuff. There is so much more than this list!!!! > > email me hpspitfire at gmail dot com > Iphone (my india phone) +919742140222 > after 20-Sept +13172608098 (my us phone) > > > Ok. Since the spitfire has sold and I have a ton of stuff I need to get rid of. Most likely if you can think of it for a spitfire I have it! > > I have been out of the US, but will be back at my house for the runoffs. > > all prices OBO and include shipping unless otherwise noted > > Big Items: > [b]1) ReK Racing Dog Ring Gearbox - $7000 currently with ReK for rebuild - and will build with any ratios you need[/b] shipping can be worked out between yourself and ReK > 2) Quarter Master Flywheels - steel for 5.5" qmaster clutch $500/each (2 of them used) $675/each for new (qty 2) $900+ from quarter master > 3) Qmaster Pro 5.5" single disc clutchs - $500/each new I think have 2 or 3 $70/each additional pressure plate, $70/each additional disc > 4) ReK Racing Aluminum water pump housing using midget aluminum water pump $500 (setup for gilmer drive belt, you will need to come up with your own crank pulley to drive it > 5) MG Midget/Sprite water pump - $80 (new) > 2) Cylinder heads - $50/each I think there is at least 8 of them - Will not ship unless buyer pays shipping > 3) Differentials - $150/each most are late model with 3.9, some 4.11- Will not ship unless buyer pays shipping > 4) stock transmissions - $50 each probably 3 or 4 of them- Will not ship unless buyer pays shipping > 5) fiberglass widebody 1500 rear fenders - $300 for the pair 2 pairs at least - will not ship > 6) fiberglass widebody bonnet and air dam - $500 (won't ship, but can bring to runoffs) > 7) Gaskets and lots of them! - would like $150 for the lot - its a giant tub of gaskets > 8) NGK spark plugs - BR6ES, BR7ES, BR8ES, BR9ES $5/each > > If you need something specific let me know, i've probably got it. > > I know I have some revolution rims left - i need to inventory them and i'll post thursday night > > All this spitfire stuff needs to go! If anyone wants to come to my house and check stuff out during the week let me know. I will be there wholy between 20th-23rd and then from 30-3rd. Then i Head back to bangalore > > Regards, > > Aaron P. Johnson > Chief Technical Officer > International Aerospace Manufacturing Pvt. Ltd. > A Rolls-Royce and HAL Joint Venture > Survey No 3, Varthur Hobili, Kempapura Village, > Bangalore East Taluk, Bangalore, > India ? 560037 > www.iampl.co.in > Mobile: +91 97-42-140222 Direct: +91-80-25196704 > aaron.johnson at iampl.co.in or aaron.p.johnson at rolls-royce.com > > > > Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edunn at transfueler.com Mon Sep 18 21:17:52 2017 From: edunn at transfueler.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:17:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rolex Reunion Friday practice race References: <495332631.7570378.1505777877129.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Very nice driving. Unlike many we see, your steering and shifting look relaxed and smooth. No wasteful sawing of the steering wheel. Well done! Edward Dunn TransFueler 425-526-7566 Friends, Here is Friday's practice race. My practice race videos have a little more action than qualifying and the final. I was miss informed during the driver meeting, being told Thursday's fast time would set the start position for Friday's practice, I'm sure that's what I heard, so I took my good old time getting to the grid or hot pits. Well, I started much further back in the session than I thought. At least I get some practice passing. As in the first practice session, a '56 Vette almost runs me off the track while passing on the outside, once again, between the corkscrew and turn nine. I think the guy thought he had the whole track to himself. He didn't see the blue flags waving either. There is a really beautiful Peerless GT next to me at the start. Of course it has a TR3 chassis. It has attended the event many times. 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URL: From gt6steve at aol.com Tue Sep 19 19:03:07 2017 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:03:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 References: Myself, I would simply retorque to your value. Gaskets will compress over time and a retorque is appropriate after a few heat cycles. IMHO -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen via Fot To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Tue, Sep 19, 2017 5:18 pm Subject: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 I?m adjusting valves after the last race weekend. For whatever reason, I put the torque wrench on a couple of the head bolts - and found maybe 90 degrees of movement on the few nuts I checked. I run a Payen head gasket - composite with a metal ring at the combustion chamber. Should I: loosen one nut at a time, lube with moly as provided by ARP, and retorque to ARP spec; tighten from the current position to ARP spec (75 ft-lb) do nothing The engine has probably four race weekends on it. I can honestly say I have never re-torqued Payen gaskets before, but I have also re-checked the torque on other gaskets and not found any movement. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Sep 19 22:50:49 2017 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 00:50:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 References: Composite Fiber gasket material has internal micro gas pockets. Depends on the quality and repeatability of the original gasket material. When heated the gas expands and seeps out from areas of least resistance. Perhaps after a few heat / cool cycles all those internal gas pockets that were present when New have been vacated. The gasket then creeps upon itself and becomes imperceptibly thinner. Hence the original axial tension is now reduced. Perhaps some parts of the gasket are more inhomogeneous than others and leads to a mismatch in "torque". That's the nature of an inhomogeneous materials. Anyways that's how I put it together. Best Mordy MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I?m adjusting valves after the last race weekend. For whatever reason, I put the torque wrench on a couple of the head bolts - and found maybe 90 degrees of movement on the few nuts I checked. I run a Payen head gasket - composite with a metal ring at the combustion chamber. Should I: loosen one nut at a time, lube with moly as provided by ARP, and retorque to ARP spec; tighten from the current position to ARP spec (75 ft-lb) do nothing The engine has probably four race weekends on it. I can honestly say I have never re-torqued Payen gaskets before, but I have also re-checked the torque on other gaskets and not found any movement. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From edunn at transfueler.com Wed Sep 20 00:52:58 2017 From: edunn at transfueler.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:52:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 References: <15e9d9fccfc-c08-27227@webjas-vae025.srv.aolmail.net> Excellent analysis, Dr. Dunst... What advantage would a different gasket material have, say... copper? Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE Suite 423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566?? x 7012 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mordy Dunst via Fot Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 Composite Fiber gasket material has internal micro gas pockets. Depends on the quality and repeatability of the original gasket material. When heated the gas expands and seeps out from areas of least resistance. Perhaps after a few heat / cool cycles all those internal gas pockets that were present when New have been vacated. The gasket then creeps upon itself and becomes imperceptibly thinner. Hence the original axial tension is now reduced. Perhaps some parts of the gasket are more inhomogeneous than others and leads to a mismatch in "torque". That's the nature of an inhomogeneous materials. Anyways that's how I put it together. Best Mordy MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I?m adjusting valves after the last race weekend. For whatever reason, I put the torque wrench on a couple of the head bolts - and found maybe 90 degrees of movement on the few nuts I checked. I run a Payen head gasket - composite with a metal ring at the combustion chamber. Should I: loosen one nut at a time, lube with moly as provided by ARP, and retorque to ARP spec; tighten from the current position to ARP spec (75 ft-lb) do nothing The engine has probably four race weekends on it. I can honestly say I have never re-torqued Payen gaskets before, but I have also re-checked the torque on other gaskets and not found any movement. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From britcars at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 20 04:46:35 2017 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 References: <15e9d9fccfc-c08-27227@webjas-vae025.srv.aolmail.net> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0A047F73F429@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Contact Mr. Gasket. They make the Payen gaskets and have a great tech department you can easily talk to. Ask them. Barry On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 3:48 AM, Edward Dunn via Fot wrote: Excellent analysis, Dr. Dunst... What advantage would a different gasket material have, say... copper? Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE Suite 423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566?? x 7012 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mordy Dunst via Fot Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 Composite Fiber gasket material has internal micro gas pockets.? Depends on the quality and repeatability of the original gasket material.? When heated the gas expands and seeps out from areas of least resistance.? Perhaps after a few heat / cool cycles all those? internal gas pockets that were present when New have been vacated.? The gasket then creeps upon itself and becomes imperceptibly thinner.? Hence the original axial tension is now reduced.? Perhaps some parts of the gasket are more inhomogeneous than others and leads to a mismatch in "torque".? That's the nature of an inhomogeneous materials.? Anyways that's how I put it together.? Best Mordy MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I?m adjusting valves after the last race weekend.? For whatever reason, I put the torque wrench on a couple of the head bolts - and found maybe 90 degrees of movement on the few nuts I checked. I run a Payen head gasket - composite with a metal ring at the combustion chamber. Should I: loosen one nut at a time, lube with moly as provided by ARP, and retorque to ARP spec; tighten from the current position to ARP spec (75 ft-lb) do nothing The engine has probably four race weekends on it.? I can honestly say I have never re-torqued Payen gaskets before, but I have also re-checked the torque on other gaskets and not found any movement. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 20 10:04:51 2017 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 Mordy... You kinda lost me after the second sentence. All this inhomogeneous talk tends to disturb me. I don't think I'm homophobic. I hope not. But when these terms come up...I don't know...I get nervous. Bill Dentinger PS And Happy New Year to all FOTers of the Jewish persuasion. The rest of us have to wait almost four more months. -----Original Message----- From: Mordy Dunst via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 3:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 Composite Fiber gasket material has internal micro gas pockets. Depends on the quality and repeatability of the original gasket material. When heated the gas expands and seeps out from areas of least resistance. Perhaps after a few heat / cool cycles all those internal gas pockets that were present when New have been vacated. The gasket then creeps upon itself and becomes imperceptibly thinner. Hence the original axial tension is now reduced. Perhaps some parts of the gasket are more inhomogeneous than others and leads to a mismatch in "torque". That's the nature of an inhomogeneous materials. Anyways that's how I put it together. Best MordyMDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:I?m adjusting valves after the last race weekend. For whatever reason, I put the torque wrench on a couple of the head bolts - and found maybe 90 degrees of movement on the few nuts I checked. I run a Payen head gasket - composite with a metal ring at the combustion chamber.Should I:loosen one nut at a time, lube with moly as provided by ARP, and retorque to ARP spec;tighten from the current position to ARP spec (75 ft-lb)do nothingThe engine has probably four race weekends on it. 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Sep 20 10:27:44 2017 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:27:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 References: <15e9d9fccfc-c08-27227@webjas-vae025.srv.aolmail.net> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0A047F73F429@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <1517695890.5851075.1505904395910@mail.yahoo.com> I called ARP. They say (contrary to some other sources I looked at) always re-torque a cold engine, not hot. The advice was to back off the nuts and re-torque one at a time, same pattern as when the head is first installed. The reason for backing off first is that the in-place ?break-away torque? may be higher than the desired torque setting, i.e., there?s friction from breaking loose a static connection that may exceed the original torque setting. Trying to tighten from the as-is position may give a false reading that?s higher than the desired torque setting. I asked about re-lubing - the indication was that?s probably not necessary, unless you are dealing with an engine that has been sitting a long time or run many hours and had the original lube bake off, and that?s not likely to be the situation when we are all re-torquing the head. Thanks for all the feedback! Scott On Sep 20, 2017, at 6:46 AM, barry rosenberg via Fot wrote: Contact Mr. Gasket. They make the Payen gaskets and have a great tech department you can easily talk to. Ask them. Barry On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 3:48 AM, Edward Dunn via Fot wrote: Excellent analysis, Dr. Dunst... What advantage would a different gasket material have, say... copper? Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE Suite 423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 x 7012 -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Re-torquing a cylinder head - GT6 Composite Fiber gasket material has internal micro gas pockets. Depends on the quality and repeatability of the original gasket material. When heated the gas expands and seeps out from areas of least resistance. Perhaps after a few heat / cool cycles all those internal gas pockets that were present when New have been vacated. The gasket then creeps upon itself and becomes imperceptibly thinner. Hence the original axial tension is now reduced. Perhaps some parts of the gasket are more inhomogeneous than others and leads to a mismatch in "torque". That's the nature of an inhomogeneous materials. Anyways that's how I put it together. Best Mordy MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 I?m adjusting valves after the last race weekend. For whatever reason, I put the torque wrench on a couple of the head bolts - and found maybe 90 degrees of movement on the few nuts I checked. I run a Payen head gasket - composite with a metal ring at the combustion chamber. Should I: loosen one nut at a time, lube with moly as provided by ARP, and retorque to ARP spec; tighten from the current position to ARP spec (75 ft-lb) do nothing The engine has probably four race weekends on it. I can honestly say I have never re-torqued Payen gaskets before, but I have also re-checked the torque on other gaskets and not found any movement. _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Sep 20 14:15:37 2017 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders References: <1590685888.2907151.1505929907935.JavaMail.zimbra@centurylink.net> I?m interested in the responses too as I recently suffered a head gasket failure around the intake shroud of #4 using a 91 mm Cometic (very similar to the Lucas new improved one) In my case the head is milled .090 using 87 mm liners. The old Payen style lasted 30 or more years until I did a valve job 4 years ago. The Cometic lasted 4 years until it failed. I?ve discovered some extenuating circumstances which may have caused my failure but I am interested in the responses, especially from those who have moved up to the 89 mm liners. How have you sealed the 89?s and or is it too early to report results? Also please indicate if you?ve milled the head and by how much. I?ve discussed this with some very reputable Triumph performance folks in the last week and gotten some good input but would like to broaden the discussion. Once we see some responses I?ll be pleased to share what I?ve discovered. Those who I?ve already discussed this with can chime in or not, I will include your advice but not who you are unless I have your permission. But I?d like to hear some input from others before I do that. Regards, Jerry Van Vlack aka JVV 66 TR4A From: asg123 at centurylink.net Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:51 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders I have asked a similar question before but my mechanic and I are still undecided which rabbit hole to enter Does anyone have experience with which head gaskets hold up best against blowing out around the combustion chambers? I see the stainless steel composite gaskets which claim to be the best. But, some people, including the tech support at BPNW, say that the OE copper gasket by Payen withstands high compression the best. How does the German made Payen copper gasket hold up compared to the Lucas OE type copper gasket? We had an OE copper head gasket blow out between cylinders #1 and #2 after only a few thousand miles. It was using 93 octane gas with the timing retarded a couple degrees to keep down spark knock, but it still dieseled on when we tried to shut it off. A solid copper head gasket from Gasket Works custom milled to drop the compression to 130psi fixed the spark knock and dieseling, but we had chronic problems with the oil and water weeping into each other no matter what sealants we tried. As always thanks for your responses. Arnold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I threw a > couple of long bomb band aids at the problem but then all of the sudden, > the event was over. > > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > > Albuquerque, NM > > > Sent from Outlook > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrickmannion1 at netzero.com Wed Sep 20 19:18:13 2017 From: patrickmannion1 at netzero.com (patrickmannion1) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:18:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders Hi Jerry, I'm about to use Moss Motors supplied 89mm liners. For years we've used standard liners, milled the head for 10:1 and higher street use. Carefully removing the lip on the head around the intake valve and notching and indexing each liner to match material removed from the cylinder head shrouding. Using 89mm liners (bigger bore) you will remove less material from the head to raise compression. If liner projection is correct we've used the steel shim head gasket BPNW have the correct gasket, be conservative in removing material. The heagasket also needs to be trimmed to compensate for material removed from the liner/intake port shroudind on the head. In modifying the head gasket you do not want it to "hang into" the combustion chamber or you will get detionation and gasket damage. Finally carefully use contact cement and glue a single strand of .012" Copper wire into the groove that is around the circumference of each cylinder of the gasket. I think I have pictures or can take some this weekend. We've done this for many years on lots of TR and Morgan race engines and have had great success and no failures.? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Date: 9/20/17 1:15 PM (GMT-08:00) To: asg123 at centurylink.net, triumphs at autox.team.net Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87? mm cylinders I?m interested in the responses too as I recently suffered a head gasket failure around the intake shroud of #4 using a 91 mm Cometic (very similar to the Lucas new improved one) In my case the head is milled .090 using 87 mm liners. The old Payen style lasted 30 or more years until I did a valve job 4 years ago. The Cometic lasted 4 years until it failed. I?ve discovered some extenuating circumstances which may have caused my failure but I am interested in the responses, especially from those who have moved up to the 89 mm liners. How have you sealed the 89?s and or is it too early to report results? Also please indicate if you?ve milled the head and by how much. ? I?ve discussed this with some very reputable Triumph performance folks in the last week and gotten some good input but would like to broaden the discussion.? Once we see some responses I?ll be pleased to share what I?ve discovered. Those who I?ve already discussed this with can chime in or not, I will include your advice but not who you are unless I have your permission. But I?d like to hear some input from others before I do that. ? Regards, ? Jerry Van Vlack aka JVV 66 TR4A ? ? ? From: asg123 at centurylink.net Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:51 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders ? I have asked a similar question before but my mechanic and I are still undecided which rabbit hole to enter Does anyone have experience with which head gaskets hold up best against blowing out around the combustion chambers?? I see the stainless steel composite gaskets which claim to be the best.? But, some people, including the tech support at BPNW, say that the OE copper gasket by Payen withstands high compression the best.? How does the German made Payen copper gasket hold up compared to the Lucas OE type copper gasket??? We had an OE copper head gasket blow out between cylinders #1 and #2 after only a few thousand miles. It was using 93 octane gas with the timing retarded a couple degrees to keep down spark knock, but it still dieseled on when we tried to shut it off.?? A solid copper head gasket from Gasket Works custom milled to drop the compression to 130psi fixed the spark knock and dieseling, but we had chronic problems with the oil and water weeping into each other no matter what sealants we tried. As always thanks for your responses.? 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I have no experience with "big" bore engines but at least you probably don't have to do the inlet valve relief in the liner. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot To: asg123 ; triumphs Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 7:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders I?m interested in the responses too as I recently suffered a head gasket failure around the intake shroud of #4 using a 91 mm Cometic (very similar to the Lucas new improved one) In my case the head is milled .090 using 87 mm liners. The old Payen style lasted 30 or more years until I did a valve job 4 years ago. The Cometic lasted 4 years until it failed. I?ve discovered some extenuating circumstances which may have caused my failure but I am interested in the responses, especially from those who have moved up to the 89 mm liners. How have you sealed the 89?s and or is it too early to report results? Also please indicate if you?ve milled the head and by how much. I?ve discussed this with some very reputable Triumph performance folks in the last week and gotten some good input but would like to broaden the discussion. Once we see some responses I?ll be pleased to share what I?ve discovered. Those who I?ve already discussed this with can chime in or not, I will include your advice but not who you are unless I have your permission. But I?d like to hear some input from others before I do that. Regards, Jerry Van Vlack aka JVV 66 TR4A From: asg123 at centurylink.net Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:51 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders I have asked a similar question before but my mechanic and I are still undecided which rabbit hole to enter Does anyone have experience with which head gaskets hold up best against blowing out around the combustion chambers? I see the stainless steel composite gaskets which claim to be the best. But, some people, including the tech support at BPNW, say that the OE copper gasket by Payen withstands high compression the best. How does the German made Payen copper gasket hold up compared to the Lucas OE type copper gasket? We had an OE copper head gasket blow out between cylinders #1 and #2 after only a few thousand miles. It was using 93 octane gas with the timing retarded a couple degrees to keep down spark knock, but it still dieseled on when we tried to shut it off. A solid copper head gasket from Gasket Works custom milled to drop the compression to 130psi fixed the spark knock and dieseling, but we had chronic problems with the oil and water weeping into each other no matter what sealants we tried. As always thanks for your responses. Arnold _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <5B67C9D6C0180ED6.71ba31de-74c8-4768-b462-966a3aa99b53@mail.outlook.com> <1032143693.7772032.1506095693047@mail.yahoo.com> <059A3F0E-C82C-4A48-ADDF-37A7DF55C7B0@comcast.net> This is 2016 schedule From: Robert Dalziel via Fot Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 5:50 PM To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Runoffs? The races , all of them , will be carried online . At Scca.com The schedule has been published in sportscar. I will try to send a list. Awrabest. Scottie On Sep 22, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi- there should be links from the scca.com web site starting next week. Regards, Bob Lang On Thursday, September 21, 2017 10:52 PM, "Barr, Scott via Fot" wrote: Anybody know where the runoffs are going to be broadcast? Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Sep 23 06:47:52 2017 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 08:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders Not sure this made it to the FOT so I?m posting it again. I have heard from a few FOT that they use the steel shim, some with and some without a thin copper wire for added assurance. I don?t see that as an alternative for a modified street car engine that doesn?t get torn down frequently. So, any others who care to provide an opinion, I?d appreciate hearing from you. Thanks, Jerry Van Vlack From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:15 PM To: asg123 at centurylink.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders I?m interested in the responses too as I recently suffered a head gasket failure around the intake shroud of #4 using a 91 mm Cometic (very similar to the Lucas new improved one) In my case the head is milled .090 using 87 mm liners. The old Payen style lasted 30 or more years until I did a valve job 4 years ago. The Cometic lasted 4 years until it failed. I?ve discovered some extenuating circumstances which may have caused my failure but I am interested in the responses, especially from those who have moved up to the 89 mm liners. How have you sealed the 89?s and or is it too early to report results? Also please indicate if you?ve milled the head and by how much. I?ve discussed this with some very reputable Triumph performance folks in the last week and gotten some good input but would like to broaden the discussion. Once we see some responses I?ll be pleased to share what I?ve discovered. Those who I?ve already discussed this with can chime in or not, I will include your advice but not who you are unless I have your permission. But I?d like to hear some input from others before I do that. Regards, Jerry Van Vlack aka JVV 66 TR4A From: asg123 at centurylink.net Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:51 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders I have asked a similar question before but my mechanic and I are still undecided which rabbit hole to enter Does anyone have experience with which head gaskets hold up best against blowing out around the combustion chambers? I see the stainless steel composite gaskets which claim to be the best. But, some people, including the tech support at BPNW, say that the OE copper gasket by Payen withstands high compression the best. How does the German made Payen copper gasket hold up compared to the Lucas OE type copper gasket? We had an OE copper head gasket blow out between cylinders #1 and #2 after only a few thousand miles. It was using 93 octane gas with the timing retarded a couple degrees to keep down spark knock, but it still dieseled on when we tried to shut it off. A solid copper head gasket from Gasket Works custom milled to drop the compression to 130psi fixed the spark knock and dieseling, but we had chronic problems with the oil and water weeping into each other no matter what sealants we tried. As always thanks for your responses. Arnold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 23 09:07:05 2017 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 15:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tr6 transmission mount position References: <15e81483996-c05-21f6@webjas-vab102.srv.aolmail.net> They were basically the same, but in 1973, they changed the mounting points on the frame to accommodate the J-Type opverdrive.? Therefore, to use a non-overdrive or A-Type opverdrive, you have to use a special adapter bracket that wasn't used on earlier frames.? The mounts on the later models with the J-Type overdrive were 2 round rubber mounts verses the single rectangular rubber mount used on earlier and non-overdrive models.? I think I still have one of these brackets left over from my racing days.? I used a later TR-6 frame under my TR-4A. Jack On Thursday, September 14, 2017, 2:37:38 PM EDT, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: Is the tr4 and tr6 transmission chassis mount in the same ?position?? Thanks MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 23 09:09:40 2017 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 15:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] D Type Overdrive References: <20170913231258.MYNP30763.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210.cox.net> <20170913231258.MYNP30763.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo2 10.cox.net> <20170914005643.962AC1089DE@relay.mailchannels.net> I found that the plain old 'Aviation' Permatex worked just fine for this application.? Never had one leak. Jack On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 10:59:01 PM EDT, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Hylomar is often used where there are no gaskets. Tony Drews At 06:12 PM 9/13/2017, Joe Curry via Fot wrote: I am undertakingthe refurbishment of a D-Type overdrive unit and I see that there is nogasket between the brake ring and the halves of the case assembly.?The Haynes manual specifies using ?jointing compound? on the matingsurfaces.? What is the recommended stuff that is available today forthis purpose? ? Thanks, Joe C. ? Sent from my HAL-9000 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:http://www.team.net/archive Forums:http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Joe C. ? Sent from my HAL-9000 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:http://www.team.net/archive Forums:http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Sep 23 11:20:03 2017 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 10:20:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders References: <082AE23CBDD8446CB2C69EACF598BECC@UserTHINK> > Not sure this made it to the FOT so I'm posting it again. I have heard > from a few FOT that they use the steel shim, some with and some without a > thin copper wire for added assurance. I don't see that as an alternative > for a modified street car engine that doesn't get torn down frequently. So, > any others who care to provide an opinion, I'd appreciate hearing from you. I've been using a stock type composite (copper clad) gasket with a ring of copper wire added around each cylinder for many years now and never had a failure even after reusing the gasket several times. My current street engine is relatively low compression, but I used the same thing on a previous engine that was around 11:1 with 87mm liners. (I goofed somehow on the CR calculation, my goal was only 10:1.) It didn't last long in that configuration, perhaps 40 or 50,000 miles (including driving from LA to Breckenridge for VTR 2001), but the head gasket was never a problem. I started doing this because I found the liner tops were not parallel to the deck surface, resulting in proper protrusion on one side but not enough on the other. Having found this problem on two blocks in a row, I have a suspicion that it is a relatively common problem. But the solution is so easy and works so well that I would do it now even with the correct protrusion on both sides. Just 26 AWG (.016") bare copper wire, soldered to the gasket just outside of the crimp around each cylinder. The solder is just to hold it in place until the head nuts are tight, so could probably be done with super glue instead (as suggested by Ken G.) but "electronic" rosin core solder is what I used. A green Scotch-Brite pad dipped in some Tarn-x took care of the oxide layer before soldering. https://i.imgur.com/AXaq1t0.jpg I'm not sure what brands the gaskets were. First one was probably Payen; second one I think was a "no name" from TRF. I'll be tearing that engine down in a few weeks (I hope), so if anyone wants to see an "after" photo, let me know. -- Randall From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Sat Sep 23 17:35:33 2017 From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 19:35:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Runnoffs References: <8FFF8056-E157-48A4-90DD-63D7137329F8@comcast.net> Down under 1000. Plan is top 60 in SM and SRF3 qualify. Thursday there is a last chance qualifying race for those two. Top 12 go into races. Max car for any group is 72 cars. Doug On Sep 22, 2017 10:07 PM, "Robert Dalziel via Fot" wrote: > Again this year the Scca will present all of the runnoffs races live on > its Scca.com > Location the schedule was out in the last sportscar magazine. It is > > > > > > > They have over 1,000 entries. Might need to have three qualifying races > to get all the Miata S down to one group ! > Awrabest. 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Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2017-09-28 at 4.48.31 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 516588 bytes Desc: not available URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Sep 29 09:50:59 2017 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:50:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A Brown Pants Moment My son did this poster for me. I?m going to do a metal sign with it for the man cave. Pics were from Rupert Barrington Photography during my spin after the rear tires got oiled and I tried to slow down for turn four (end of the longest straight) at High Plains Raceway. Quite the thrill ride but fortunately nothing to hit as I ground to a halt in the dirt. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2017-09-28 at 4.48.31 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 516588 bytes Desc: not available URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Sep 29 09:53:42 2017 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:53:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A Brown Pants Moment My son did this poster for me. I?m going to do a metal sign with it for the man cave. Pics were from Rupert Barrington Photography during my spin after the rear tires got oiled and I tried to slow down for turn four (end of the longest straight) at High Plains Raceway. Quite the thrill ride but fortunately nothing to hit as I ground to a halt in the dirt. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2017-09-28 at 4.48.31 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 516588 bytes Desc: not available URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Sep 29 10:20:41 2017 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 10:20:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] test My FOT email address only shows Bob Lang getting messages. Strange! Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Sep 29 23:31:50 2017 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 00:31:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Maryhill Loop Hill climb The featured Marque is Triumph this year. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Maryhill 2017.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 145947 bytes Desc: not available URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Sep 30 00:50:48 2017 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 00:50:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Iterations Sorry for the repeats. My Messages were showing only Bob Lang was getting them. Bud Sent from my Commodore 64