Subject: Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?

From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:02:52 -0700

> Rockauto tells me that this is still a true
> Timken bearing.  It's obvious that it's not, but I may just have to write
> this one off as they won't replace it.  Glad I purchased extras.

Might be worth sending it to Timken.  I'm sure they take a very dim view of
this sort of thing, and might be willing to replace it "just because".  

At the very least they should shake up RockAuto a bit.  Knowingly selling
counterfeit goods is a federal crime.

The Timken Company
4500 Mount Pleasant NW
North Canton, OH 44720
(P) (234) 262-3000

-- Randall

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From: Peter Vucinic <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 09:36:46 +1000

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Jason
If it hasn't got Timken on it? It's not Timken.=20
If they won't replace it? They know it's not the real thing!

> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 12:21 am, Jason Sukey <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Aaron,
>      Funny you should mention this, as I'm currently going round and round=
 with RockAuto.  I ordered 6 of the Timken bearings (15123) - 5 of them look=
 legit, but one of them is clearly different.  Although the box appears iden=
tical, the bearing came wrapped in plastic differently, doesn't actually say=
 "Timken"; only says "China", and feels awful loose compared to the other 5.=
  Rockauto tells me that this is still a true Timken bearing.  It's obvious t=
hat it's not, but I may just have to write this one off as they won't replac=
e it.  Glad I purchased extras.
>=20
> May not be a true "counterfeit" bearing, might be a case of a dishonest cu=
stomer return that was placed back in stock.=20
>=20
> Jason
>=20
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Aaron Johnson <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>> How did you order the bearings?    There is a huge counterfit bearing man=
ufacturing market.   I have lost count how many times over the last 6 years I=
've had to investigate them.  The last set of ball bearings I bought were sk=
f but we're obviously not legitimate.  I took it with me to skf on a visit a=
nd confirmed it was not made in any of their factories. =20
>>=20
>> If you've got concerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and I=
 can help.=20
>>=20
>> Aaron
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>> On 29-Sep-2016, at 10:29 PM, Jason Sukey <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> John,
>>>         Replacing the old bearings because they were worn out.  New Timk=
ens seem to be the best available option.
>>>=20
>>> Jason
>>>=20
>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>>> Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them t=
o the England-made.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. If t=
here is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>>>>> Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing widt=
h's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?  The one I'm building right now=
, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) wi=
th brand new Timken USA bearings.  In order to reach the required .004" prel=
oad, it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there originally=
.  That seems like a big difference with the only variable being new bearing=
s.  I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to b=
e fully pressed home.  Anyone else experience this?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Jason Sukey
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Jason</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignatu=
re">If it hasn't got Timken on it? It's not Timken.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"Ap=
pleMailSignature">If they won't replace it? They know it's not the real thin=
g!</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignatu=
re"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div>On 1 Oct. 2016, a=
t 12:21 am, Jason Sukey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jsukey@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Aaron,<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Funny you should mention this, as I'm cu=
rrently going round and round with RockAuto.&nbsp; I ordered 6 of the Timken=
 bearings (15123) - 5 of them look legit, but one of them is clearly differe=
nt.&nbsp; Although the box appears identical, the bearing came wrapped in pl=
astic differently, doesn't actually say "Timken"; only says "China", and fee=
ls awful loose compared to the other 5.&nbsp; Rockauto tells me that this is=
 still a true Timken bearing.&nbsp; It's obvious that it's not, but I may ju=
st have to write this one off as they won't replace it.&nbsp; Glad I purchas=
ed extras.</div><div><br></div><div>May not be a true "counterfeit" bearing,=
 might be a case of a dishonest customer return that was placed back in stoc=
k.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Aaron Joh=
nson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>How did you order the bearings? &nbsp; &nbsp=
;There is a huge counterfit bearing manufacturing market. &nbsp; I have lost=
 count how many times over the last 6 years I've had to investigate them.&nb=
sp; The last set of ball bearings I bought were skf but we're obviously not l=
egitimate.&nbsp; I took it with me to skf on a visit and confirmed it was no=
t made in any of their factories. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"m_-3331407489455156=
455AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"m_-3331407489455156455AppleMailS=
ignature">If you've got concerns of counterfit bearings send me some picture=
s and I can help.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"m_-3331407489455156455AppleMailSigna=
ture"><br></div><div id=3D"m_-3331407489455156455AppleMailSignature">Aaron<b=
r><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On 29-Sep-201=
6, at 10:29 PM, Jason Sukey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">John,<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Replacing th=
e old bearings because they were worn out.&nbsp; New Timkens seem to be the b=
est available option.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 P=
M, John Styduhar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
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;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:small">Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you comp=
are them to the England-made.&nbsp; I wouldn't be surprised if they were mad=
e overseas. If there is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace th=
em?</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v><div class=3D"m_-3331407489455156455h5">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, J=
ason Sukey <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote c=
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adding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"m_-3331407489455156455h5"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's=
 when rebuilding a spitfire differential?&nbsp; The one I'm building right n=
ow, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) w=
ith brand new Timken USA bearings.&nbsp; In order to reach the required .004=
" preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there orig=
inally.&nbsp; That seems like a big difference with the only variable being n=
ew bearings.&nbsp; I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings vi=
sually look to be fully pressed home.&nbsp; Anyone else experience this?<div=
><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><div><br></div><div>Jason Sukey</div></div></div>=

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From: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 18:24:53 -0600

On 9/30/2016 10:04 AM, Aaron Johnson wrote:
> All major bearing brands are and have been counterfeited. Do not think 
> because it's in a box from that company it's ok.  Don't think because 
> it's marked correctly that it's ok.  I have seen and investigated aero 
> engine failures with bearings that are marked with our cage code and 
> lots that trace to actual manufacturing lots.  However we track serial 
> numbers and have real ones service.  Only buy bearings from authorised 
> sellers or distributors.  Anything purchased through a third part is 
> sceptical in my book

Reminiscent of the problems associated with bogus grade 8 hardware 
entering the aerospace and defense sectors in the late `80s.  Then, 
China wasn't a factor--very little trade with that country at the time.  
Then, the substandard hardware was coming from manufacturers in Japan, 
Korea, Poland, Mexico and Spain.

Unfortunately, the Fastener Quality Act that resulted from that ended up 
placing some unnecessary demands on reputable manufacturers without 
providing the tools to locate and trap bad hardware at the point of 
entry into the defense aerospace system.  Took quite a while to make 
that clear to legislators.

Mostly, the hardware was coming in through bulk wholesalers supplying 
large contracts who bought stock at lower price points and pocketed the 
difference from the going rate without doing the requisite quality 
control checks.

So, doesn't surprise me a bit that inferior knock-offs in the bearing 
market are showing up.  Globalizing supply systems made it much easier 
for junk to sneak in.

Cheers.

-- 

Michael Porter
Roswell, NM

Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

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From: "Peter Vucinic" <[email-masked]>
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The material is a huge problem! Do not use fake bearings! If you are =
worried, go for a good Japanese brand such as NSK, NTN or European FAG =
etc. AND BUY from an authorized distributor!

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Here are some Chinese made alloy wheels that are very popular on general =
trailers, car trailers and boat trailers. I don=E2=80=99t need to add =
any comments. The pics will speak for themselves. I have destroyed 6 =
wheels in the last  few months! Luckily without killing anyone or =
myself!

The material is RUBBISH and unsuitable for the application! These wheels =
are made by/go under the brand KOYA. The make car alloy wheels as well =
and openly admit to wheel fractures on their website! It=E2=80=99s a =
crazy world we live in at the present!

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of fubog1
Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 1:41 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?

=20

This confirms some of the scuttlebutt I've heard, fake bearings, but I =
can't say that I've run across suspect Timkens... yet.
I was told by a Timken supplier that some of them are made in ??? =
nowadays but he didn't elaborate.
I have also noticed that the races on some appear to be pretty soft, =
they deform easily with a mild steel drift.
Glen

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-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Johnson <[email-masked]>
To: Jason Sukey <[email-masked]>
Cc: FOT list <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Sep 30, 2016 11:21 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?

How did you order the bearings?    There is a huge counterfit bearing =
manufacturing market.   I have lost count how many times over the last 6 =
years I've had to investigate them.  The last set of ball bearings I =
bought were skf but we're obviously not legitimate.  I took it with me =
to skf on a visit and confirmed it was not made in any of their =
factories. =20

=20

If you've got concerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and =
I can help.=20

=20

Aaron

Sent from my iPhone

John,=20

        Replacing the old bearings because they were worn out.  New =
Timkens seem to be the best available option.

=20

Jason

=20

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to =
the England-made.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. =
If there is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?

=20

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <[email-masked]> wrote:

Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing =
width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?  The one I'm building =
right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings =
(Timken England) with brand new Timken USA bearings.  In order to reach =
the required .004" preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than =
what was in there originally.  That seems like a big difference with the =
only variable being new bearings.  I'm using the same housing, same =
carrier, the bearings visually look to be fully pressed home.  Anyone =
else experience this?=20

=20

Thanks,

=20

Jason Sukey

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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>fubog1<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 1 October 2016 1:41 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] variation in Timken =
carrier bearing width?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
his confirms some of the scuttlebutt I've heard, fake bearings, but I =
can't say that I've run across suspect Timkens... yet.<br>I was told by =
a Timken supplier that some of them are made in ??? nowadays but he =
didn't elaborate.<br>I have also noticed that the races on some appear =
to be pretty soft, they deform easily with a mild steel =
drift.<br>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: Aaron Johnson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: =
Jason Sukey &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc: FOT =
list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: =
Fri, Sep 30, 2016 11:21 am<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] variation in Timken =
carrier bearing width?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_ecf98ad5-1638-420e-8510-2a3a7bf1470b"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>H=
ow did you order the bearings? &nbsp; &nbsp;There is a huge counterfit =
bearing manufacturing market. &nbsp; I have lost count how many times =
over the last 6 years I've had to investigate them. &nbsp;The last set =
of ball bearings I bought were skf but we're obviously not legitimate. =
&nbsp;I took it with me to skf on a visit and confirmed it was not made =
in any of their factories. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
f you've got concerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and I =
can help.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>A=
aron<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
br>On 29-Sep-2016, at 10:29 PM, Jason Sukey &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J=
ohn, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Replacing the old bearings because they were =
worn out.&nbsp; New Timkens seem to be the best available =
option.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J=
ason<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
n Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Some of the =
USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to the =
England-made.&nbsp; I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. =
If there is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace =
them?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
n Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>H=
as anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's =
when rebuilding a spitfire differential?&nbsp; The one I'm building =
right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings =
(Timken England) with brand new Timken USA bearings.&nbsp; In order to =
reach the required .004&quot; preload, it will require .012&quot; LESS =
total shim than what was in there originally.&nbsp; That seems like a =
big difference with the only variable being new bearings.&nbsp; I'm =
using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be =
fully pressed home.&nbsp; Anyone else experience this? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
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