Subject: Re: [Fot] Balancing wire wheels

From: Jason Sukey <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:56:13 -0400

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Tim,
        I've found the same with my balancer (with steel and alloy wheels,
I've not tried wires).  Narrow wheels (4.5-5.5") balance much easier with a
single plane balance.  I assume it's because the two planes are not
distanced apart enough.

Jason Sukey

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:35 PM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I just got my balancer working again and tried balancing a 4-1/2 inch wid=
e
> and a 5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph TR4A and a TR5.  If I t=
ry
> to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get very large weights, like 4 to 5
> ounces that are to be added.  If I do a single plane, static balance, the=
n
> I get reasonable weights to add like a couple of ounces at most.  I think
> that unless the wire wheel has been recently trued very accurately this i=
s
> going to be the result.  The wheels have large run out compared to alloy
> wheels.  What have others who have tried to balance wire wheels come up
> with?
>
>
>
> I got lucky with my balancer and could just use one of the cones and the
> large =E2=80=9CT-nut=E2=80=9D which mated up with the OD of the spline tu=
be perfectly.
>
>
>
> Tim Murphy
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Tim,<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I&#39;ve found the sa=
me with my balancer (with steel and alloy wheels, I&#39;ve not tried wires)=
.=C2=A0 Narrow wheels (4.5-5.5&quot;) balance much easier with a single pla=
ne balance.=C2=A0 I assume it&#39;s because the two planes are not distance=
d apart enough.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason Sukey</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:3=
5 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just got my balancer working again and tried balanc=
ing a 4-1/2 inch wide and a 5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph TR4=
A and a TR5.=C2=A0 If I try to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get very =
large weights, like 4 to 5 ounces that are to be added.=C2=A0 If I do a sin=
gle plane, static balance, then I get reasonable weights to add like a coup=
le of ounces at most.=C2=A0 I think that unless the wire wheel has been rec=
ently trued very accurately this is going to be the result.=C2=A0 The wheel=
s have large run out compared to alloy wheels.=C2=A0 What have others who h=
ave tried to balance wire wheels come up with?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I got lucky with=
 my balancer and could just use one of the cones and the large =E2=80=9CT-n=
ut=E2=80=9D which mated up with the OD of the spline tube perfectly.<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Tim Murphy<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><br>_________________________=
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From: Jamie Palmer <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 02:00:44 +0000 (UTC)

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Send it to Allen Hendrix @ Hendrix wire wheel, Greensboro, NC =C2=A0He shav=
es tires if necessary to get the best balance possible.

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lancing a 4-1/2 inch wide and a 5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph=
 TR4A and a TR5.=C2=A0 If I try to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get v=
ery large weights, like 4 to 5 ounces that are to be added.=C2=A0 If I do a=
 single plane, static balance, then I get reasonable weights to add like a =
couple of ounces at most.=C2=A0 I think that unless the wire wheel has been=
 recently trued very accurately this is going to be the result.=C2=A0 The w=
heels have large run out compared to alloy wheels.=C2=A0 What have others w=
ho have tried to balance wire wheels come up with? =C2=A0I got lucky with m=
y balancer and could just use one of the cones and the large =E2=80=9CT-nut=
=E2=80=9D which mated up with the OD of the spline tube perfectly. =C2=A0Ti=
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t most.&nbsp; I think that unless the wire wheel has been recently trued ve=
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Good point Jason.  I hadn=E2=80=99t considered that.  I=E2=80=99m trying =
to use tape weights and they would only be about 2 to 2-1/2 inches apart =
on the inside of the wheel.

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Thanks for the input.

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Tim

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From: Jason Sukey [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:56 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: FOT list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Balancing wire wheels

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Tim,

        I've found the same with my balancer (with steel and alloy =
wheels, I've not tried wires).  Narrow wheels (4.5-5.5") balance much =
easier with a single plane balance.  I assume it's because the two =
planes are not distanced apart enough.

=20

Jason Sukey

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On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:35 PM, <[email-masked] =

I just got my balancer working again and tried balancing a 4-1/2 inch =
wide and a 5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph TR4A and a TR5.  =
If I try to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get very large weights, =
like 4 to 5 ounces that are to be added.  If I do a single plane, static =
balance, then I get reasonable weights to add like a couple of ounces at =
most.  I think that unless the wire wheel has been recently trued very =
accurately this is going to be the result.  The wheels have large run =
out compared to alloy wheels.  What have others who have tried to =
balance wire wheels come up with?

=20

I got lucky with my balancer and could just use one of the cones and the =
large =E2=80=9CT-nut=E2=80=9D which mated up with the OD of the spline =
tube perfectly.

=20

Tim Murphy

Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Good point =
Jason.=C2=A0 I hadn=E2=80=99t considered that.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m trying =
to use tape weights and they would only be about 2 to 2-1/2 inches apart =
on the inside of the wheel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks for =
the input.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Tim<o:p></o:p=
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/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Jason Sukey [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
September 27, 2016 8:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT list =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Balancing wire =
wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Tim,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I've found the same with my balancer (with steel =
and alloy wheels, I've not tried wires).&nbsp; Narrow wheels =
(4.5-5.5&quot;) balance much easier with a single plane balance.&nbsp; I =
assume it's because the two planes are not distanced apart =
enough.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jason Sukey<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, =
Sep 27, 2016 at 6:35 PM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I just got =
my balancer working again and tried balancing a 4-1/2 inch wide and a =
5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph TR4A and a TR5.&nbsp; If I =
try to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get very large weights, like 4 =
to 5 ounces that are to be added.&nbsp; If I do a single plane, static =
balance, then I get reasonable weights to add like a couple of ounces at =
most.&nbsp; I think that unless the wire wheel has been recently trued =
very accurately this is going to be the result.&nbsp; The wheels have =
large run out compared to alloy wheels.&nbsp; What have others who have =
tried to balance wire wheels come up with?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I got lucky =
with my balancer and could just use one of the cones and the large =
=E2=80=9CT-nut=E2=80=9D which mated up with the OD of the spline tube =
perfectly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Tim =
Murphy<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Jason,

CORRECT! Anything under 6=E2=80=9D in width can be adequately balanced =
in a single plane.

Do this all the time with industrial fans. Same physics apply!

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Jason Sukey
Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 11:56 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: FOT list
Subject: Re: [Fot] Balancing wire wheels

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Tim,

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Sukey<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 28 September 2016 11:56 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT =
list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Balancing wire =
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&nbsp; I've found the same with my balancer (with steel and alloy =
wheels, I've not tried wires).&nbsp; Narrow wheels (4.5-5.5&quot;) =
balance much easier with a single plane balance.&nbsp; I assume it's =
because the two planes are not distanced apart =
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Sukey<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at =
6:35 PM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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6.0pt'>I just got my balancer working again and tried balancing a 4-1/2 =
inch wide and a 5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph TR4A and a =
TR5.&nbsp; If I try to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get very large =
weights, like 4 to 5 ounces that are to be added.&nbsp; If I do a single =
plane, static balance, then I get reasonable weights to add like a =
couple of ounces at most.&nbsp; I think that unless the wire wheel has =
been recently trued very accurately this is going to be the =
result.&nbsp; The wheels have large run out compared to alloy =
wheels.&nbsp; What have others who have tried to balance wire wheels =
come up with?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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and the large =E2=80=9CT-nut=E2=80=9D which mated up with the OD of the =
spline tube perfectly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Tim,

I just got a set of 72 spoke 15 x 5 painted wires and took them to Discount
Tire here in Houston for mounting and balancing, knowing from past
experience that they could only secure the outer part of the wheel with a
cone inside the splined hub rather than the correct outside of the hub where
the knock-off nut rides.  

I was pleasantly surprised to learn that they now have an adaptor for
securing the outer part of the wheel which is a female cone which correctly
grabs the outer taper.  In addition, they say their machine and software now
allows them to put the weights (stick-on style) on the inside of the wheel
in only one plane, but it simulates a two-plane balance.  In other words,
the weight position is in the calculated circumferential location as normal
but also can be positioned "in or out" on the wheel to get the best effect
for both the inner and outer planes.

I put over 300 miles on them over the weekend at freeway speeds and they
seemed very smooth so I'm pleased so far.  If you have a Discount Tire store
in your state, you might consider trying them, assuming they have the
correct adaptors.

Mike

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of
[email-masked]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 5:36 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Fot] Balancing wire wheels

I just got my balancer working again and tried balancing a 4-1/2 inch wide
and a 5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph TR4A and a TR5.  If I try
to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get very large weights, like 4 to 5
ounces that are to be added.  If I do a single plane, static balance, then I
get reasonable weights to add like a couple of ounces at most.  I think that
unless the wire wheel has been recently trued very accurately this is going
to be the result.  The wheels have large run out compared to alloy wheels.
What have others who have tried to balance wire wheels come up with?

I got lucky with my balancer and could just use one of the cones and the
large "T-nut" which mated up with the OD of the spline tube perfectly.

Tim Murphy

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 just got a set of 72 spoke 15 x 5 painted wires and took them to =
Discount Tire here in Houston for mounting and balancing, knowing from =
past experience that they could only secure the outer part of the wheel =
with a cone inside the splined hub rather than the correct outside of =
the hub where the knock-off nut rides.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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securing the outer part of the wheel which is a female cone which =
correctly grabs the outer taper.&nbsp; In addition, they say their =
machine and software now allows them to put the weights (stick-on style) =
on the inside of the wheel in only one plane, but it simulates a =
two-plane balance.&nbsp; In other words, the weight position is in the =
calculated circumferential location as normal but also can be positioned =
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inner and outer planes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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seemed very smooth so I&#8217;m pleased so far.&nbsp; If you have a =
Discount Tire store in your state, you might consider trying them, =
assuming they have the correct adaptors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 27, 2016 =
5:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] =
Balancing wire wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I just got =
my balancer working again and tried balancing a 4-1/2 inch wide and a =
5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph TR4A and a TR5.&nbsp; If I =
try to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get very large weights, like 4 =
to 5 ounces that are to be added.&nbsp; If I do a single plane, static =
balance, then I get reasonable weights to add like a couple of ounces at =
most.&nbsp; I think that unless the wire wheel has been recently trued =
very accurately this is going to be the result.&nbsp; The wheels have =
large run out compared to alloy wheels.&nbsp; What have others who have =
tried to balance wire wheels come up with?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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From: Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:22:30 +0000

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Tim,

Something that might help too.  I watched the tire company in Tacoma, WA re=
commended by Charlie Arnold.  The measured the tire run-out using a light t=
ouch of chalk on the outside of the tire, then measured rim run-out using t=
he same light touch of chalk on the inside of the rim.  They then rotated t=
he tire to minimize overall run-out.  Once this was done, they balanced the=
 tire.

I've never seen this with a modern wheel, but with the wire wheels it made =
a noticeable difference.

Jack

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of timmmurphh@gmail=
.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 3:36 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Fot] Balancing wire wheels

I just got my balancer working again and tried balancing a 4-1/2 inch wide =
and a 5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph TR4A and a TR5.  If I try=
 to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get very large weights, like 4 to 5 =
ounces that are to be added.  If I do a single plane, static balance, then =
I get reasonable weights to add like a couple of ounces at most.  I think t=
hat unless the wire wheel has been recently trued very accurately this is g=
oing to be the result.  The wheels have large run out compared to alloy whe=
els.  What have others who have tried to balance wire wheels come up with?

I got lucky with my balancer and could just use one of the cones and the la=
rge "T-nut" which mated up with the OD of the spline tube perfectly.

Tim Murphy

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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he tire company in Tacoma, WA recommended by Charlie Arnold.&nbsp; The meas=
ured the tire run-out using a light touch of chalk on the
 outside of the tire, then measured rim run-out using the same light touch =
of chalk on the inside of the rim.&nbsp; They then rotated the tire to mini=
mize overall run-out.&nbsp; Once this was done, they balanced the tire.&nbs=
p;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif">I&#8217;ve never seen this with a modern wheel, =
but with the wire wheels it made a noticeable difference.<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 27, 2016 3:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Balancing wire wheels<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just got my balancer working again and tried balan=
cing a 4-1/2 inch wide and a 5-1/2 inch wide wire wheel off of a Triumph TR=
4A and a TR5.&nbsp; If I try to do a 2-plane or dynamic balance, I get very=
 large weights, like 4 to 5 ounces that
 are to be added.&nbsp; If I do a single plane, static balance, then I get =
reasonable weights to add like a couple of ounces at most.&nbsp; I think th=
at unless the wire wheel has been recently trued very accurately this is go=
ing to be the result.&nbsp; The wheels have large
 run out compared to alloy wheels.&nbsp; What have others who have tried to=
 balance wire wheels come up with?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I got lucky with my balancer and could just use one =
of the cones and the large &#8220;T-nut&#8221; which mated up with the OD o=
f the spline tube perfectly.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tim Murphy<o:p></o:p></p>
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