Subject: Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?

From: fubog1 <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:50:42 -0400

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Yes!
I have run into that on several occasions but can't remember the Timken numbers, nor do I have a technical explanation.
Glen

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Subject: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?

Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?  The one I'm building right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with brand new Timken USA bearings.  In order to reach the required .004" preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there originally.  That seems like a big difference with the only variable being new bearings.  I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be fully pressed home.  Anyone else experience this?

Thanks,

Jason Sukey

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<div dir="ltr">Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?&nbsp; The one I'm building right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with brand new Timken USA bearings.&nbsp; In order to reach the required .004" preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there originally.&nbsp; That seems like a big difference with the only variable being new bearings.&nbsp; I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be fully pressed home.&nbsp; Anyone else experience this?

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From: Jason Sukey <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:07:06 -0400

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Glen,
     Thanks for the reply.  Only goes to reinforce the practice of assuming
nothing and measuring everything!

Jason

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, fubog1 <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Yes!
> I have run into that on several occasions but can't remember the Timken
> numbers, nor do I have a technical explanation.
> Glen
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> Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's
> when rebuilding a spitfire differential?  The one I'm building right now,
> I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England)
> with brand new Timken USA bearings.  In order to reach the required .004"
> preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there
> originally.  That seems like a big difference with the only variable being
> new bearings.  I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings
> visually look to be fully pressed home.  Anyone else experience this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason Sukey
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Glen,<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 =
Only goes to reinforce the practice of assuming nothing and measuring every=
thing!</div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:50 AM, fubog1 <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fub=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
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olor=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes<font si=
ze=3D"2">!<br>
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 numbers, nor do I have a technical explanation.<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier =
bearing width&#39;s when rebuilding a spitfire differential?=C2=A0 The one =
I&#39;m building right now, I&#39;ve replaced what I suspect are the origin=
al bearings (Timken England) with brand new Timken USA bearings.=C2=A0 In o=
rder to reach the required .004&quot; preload, it will require .012&quot; L=
ESS total shim than what was in there originally.=C2=A0 That seems like a b=
ig difference with the only variable being new bearings.=C2=A0 I&#39;m usin=
g the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be fully pr=
essed home.=C2=A0 Anyone else experience this?

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From: John Styduhar <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:52:19 -0400

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Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to
the England-made.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. If
there is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Som=
e of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to the E=
ngland-made.=C2=A0 I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if they were made overseas. =
If there is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?</div></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 2=
9, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jsu=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Has anyone else noticed rat=
her large variation in carrier bearing width&#39;s when rebuilding a spitfi=
re differential?=C2=A0 The one I&#39;m building right now, I&#39;ve replace=
d what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with brand new =
Timken USA bearings.=C2=A0 In order to reach the required .004&quot; preloa=
d, it will require .012&quot; LESS total shim than what was in there origin=
ally.=C2=A0 That seems like a big difference with the only variable being n=
ew bearings.=C2=A0 I&#39;m using the same housing, same carrier, the bearin=
gs visually look to be fully pressed home.=C2=A0 Anyone else experience thi=
s?<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><div><br></div><div>Jason Sukey</div></div=
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From: Jason Sukey <[email-masked]>
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John,
        Replacing the old bearings because they were worn out.  New Timkens
seem to be the best available option.

Jason

>> visually look to be fully pressed home.  Anyone else experience this?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">John,<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Replacing the old be=
arings because they were worn out.=C2=A0 New Timkens seem to be the best av=
ailable option.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, =
John Styduhar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small">Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you co=
mpare them to the England-made.=C2=A0 I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if they w=
ere made overseas. If there is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why re=
place them?</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
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gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr">Has anyone else noticed r=
ather large variation in carrier bearing width&#39;s when rebuilding a spit=
fire differential?=C2=A0 The one I&#39;m building right now, I&#39;ve repla=
ced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with brand ne=
w Timken USA bearings.=C2=A0 In order to reach the required .004&quot; prel=
oad, it will require .012&quot; LESS total shim than what was in there orig=
inally.=C2=A0 That seems like a big difference with the only variable being=
 new bearings.=C2=A0 I&#39;m using the same housing, same carrier, the bear=
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Jason,

The variation will be due to the ANGLES that the bearing cup and cone =
race have been ground too and the roller diameter/angles.

So, it doesn=E2=80=99t take a lot of angle/diameter change over all of =
the components to alter any pre-load/shimming dimensions.

Miniscule angle changes will either have the cones closer together or =
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Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing =
width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?  The one I'm building =
right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings =
(Timken England) with brand new Timken USA bearings.  In order to reach =
the required .004" preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than =
what was in there originally.  That seems like a big difference with the =
only variable being new bearings.  I'm using the same housing, same =
carrier, the bearings visually look to be fully pressed home.  Anyone =
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diameter/angles.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>So, it doesn=E2=80=99t take a lot of angle/diameter change over all =
of the components to alter any pre-load/shimming =
dimensions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Miniscule angle changes will either have the cones closer together or =
further apart.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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From: [email-masked]
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Jason,

Just went thru the same issue with a big TR diff.=C2=A0 The major suppliers=
 provide slightly different bearings at about a $40 to $50 price point. The=
 original bearing is available for almost $500 !!!!
The numbers on the bearing are the same except for the suffix on the bearin=
g (15100 vs 15100SR in this case). Both will fit, but the differences inclu=
de thickness among other specs.
Check the numbers that you are using carefully.

Been called a bit off spec myself...
Nick in Nor Cal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Sukey <[email-masked]>
To: FOT list <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 8:25 am
Subject: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?

Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's w=
hen rebuilding a spitfire differential?=C2=A0 The one I'm building right no=
w, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) =
with brand new Timken USA bearings.=C2=A0 In order to reach the required .0=
04" preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there o=
riginally.=C2=A0 That seems like a big difference with the only variable be=
ing new bearings.=C2=A0 I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the beari=
ngs visually look to be fully pressed home.=C2=A0 Anyone else experience th=
is?

Thanks,

Jason Sukey

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<div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;color:black;"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Jason,<br><br>Just went thru the same issue with a big TR diff.&nbsp; The major suppliers provide slightly different bearings at about a $40 to $50 price point. The original bearing is available for almost $500 !!!!<br>The numbers on the bearing are the same except for the suffix on the bearing (15100 vs 15100SR in this case). Both will fit, but the differences include thickness among other specs.<br>Check the numbers that you are using carefully.<br><br>Been called a bit off spec myself...<br>Nick in Nor Cal<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Jason Sukey &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: FOT list &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 8:25 am<br>Subject: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?<br><br></div>
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<div class="aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr">Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?&nbsp; The one I'm building right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with brand new Timken USA bearings.&nbsp; In order to reach the required .004" preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there originally.&nbsp; That seems like a big difference with the only variable being new bearings.&nbsp; I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be fully pressed home.&nbsp; Anyone else experience this?<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><div><br></div><div>Jason Sukey</div></div></div>
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From: Aaron Johnson <[email-masked]>
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How did you order the bearings?    There is a huge counterfit bearing manufa=
cturing market.   I have lost count how many times over the last 6 years I'v=
e had to investigate them.  The last set of ball bearings I bought were skf b=
ut we're obviously not legitimate.  I took it with me to skf on a visit and c=
onfirmed it was not made in any of their factories. =20

If you've got concerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and I ca=
n help.=20

Aaron

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29-Sep-2016, at 10:29 PM, Jason Sukey <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> John,
>         Replacing the old bearings because they were worn out.  New Timken=
s seem to be the best available option.
>=20
> Jason
>=20
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>> Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to t=
he England-made.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. If the=
re is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?
>>> Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width'=
s when rebuilding a spitfire differential?  The one I'm building right now, I=
've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with b=
rand new Timken USA bearings.  In order to reach the required .004" preload,=
 it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there originally.  T=
hat seems like a big difference with the only variable being new bearings.  I=
'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be fu=
lly pressed home.  Anyone else experience this?
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@=
gmail.com
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/hpspitfire@g=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>How did you order the bearings? &nbsp;=
 &nbsp;There is a huge counterfit bearing manufacturing market. &nbsp; I hav=
e lost count how many times over the last 6 years I've had to investigate th=
em. &nbsp;The last set of ball bearings I bought were skf but we're obviousl=
y not legitimate. &nbsp;I took it with me to skf on a visit and confirmed it=
 was not made in any of their factories. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSig=
nature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">If you've got concerns of c=
ounterfit bearings send me some pictures and I can help.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D=
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ent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 29-Sep-2016, at 10:29 PM, Jason Sukey &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">John,<div>&nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; Replacing the old bearings because they were worn out.&nbsp=
; New Timkens seem to be the best available option.</div><div><br></div><div=
>Jason</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Some of the USA-stamped Timkens=
 even look cheap when you compare them to the England-made.&nbsp; I wouldn't=
 be surprised if they were made overseas. If there is nothing wrong with you=
r old bearings, why replace them?</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:=
59 AM, Jason Sukey <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
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cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr">Has anyon=
e else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's when rebuil=
ding a spitfire differential?&nbsp; The one I'm building right now, I've rep=
laced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with brand n=
ew Timken USA bearings.&nbsp; In order to reach the required .004" preload, i=
t will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there originally.&nbsp=
; That seems like a big difference with the only variable being new bearings=
.&nbsp; I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look=
 to be fully pressed home.&nbsp; Anyone else experience this?<div><br></div>=
<div>Thanks,<br><div><br></div><div>Jason Sukey</div></div></div>
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From: Jason Sukey <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:21:00 -0400

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Aaron,
     Funny you should mention this, as I'm currently going round and round
with RockAuto.  I ordered 6 of the Timken bearings (15123) - 5 of them look
legit, but one of them is clearly different.  Although the box appears
identical, the bearing came wrapped in plastic differently, doesn't
actually say "Timken"; only says "China", and feels awful loose compared to
the other 5.  Rockauto tells me that this is still a true Timken bearing.
It's obvious that it's not, but I may just have to write this one off as
they won't replace it.  Glad I purchased extras.

May not be a true "counterfeit" bearing, might be a case of a dishonest
customer return that was placed back in stock.

Jason

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Aaron Johnson <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> How did you order the bearings?    There is a huge counterfit bearing
> manufacturing market.   I have lost count how many times over the last 6
> years I've had to investigate them.  The last set of ball bearings I bought
> were skf but we're obviously not legitimate.  I took it with me to skf on a
> visit and confirmed it was not made in any of their factories.
>
> If you've got concerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and I
> can help.
>
> Aaron
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>         Replacing the old bearings because they were worn out.  New
> Timkens seem to be the best available option.
>
> Jason
>
>>> Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing
>>> width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?  The one I'm building
>>> right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken
>>> England) with brand new Timken USA bearings.  In order to reach the
>>> required .004" preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was
>>> in there originally.  That seems like a big difference with the only
>>> variable being new bearings.  I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the
>>> bearings visually look to be fully pressed home.  Anyone else experience
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason Sukey
>>>
> options/fot/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Aaron,<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Funny you should mention th=
is, as I&#39;m currently going round and round with RockAuto.=C2=A0 I order=
ed 6 of the Timken bearings (15123) - 5 of them look legit, but one of them=
 is clearly different.=C2=A0 Although the box appears identical, the bearin=
g came wrapped in plastic differently, doesn&#39;t actually say &quot;Timke=
n&quot;; only says &quot;China&quot;, and feels awful loose compared to the=
 other 5.=C2=A0 Rockauto tells me that this is still a true Timken bearing.=
=C2=A0 It&#39;s obvious that it&#39;s not, but I may just have to write thi=
s one off as they won&#39;t replace it.=C2=A0 Glad I purchased extras.</div=
><div><br></div><div>May not be a true &quot;counterfeit&quot; bearing, mig=
ht be a case of a dishonest customer return that was placed back in stock.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Aaron Joh=
nson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>How did you order the bearings? =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0There is a huge counterfit bearing manufacturing market. =C2=A0 I ha=
ve lost count how many times over the last 6 years I&#39;ve had to investig=
ate them.=C2=A0 The last set of ball bearings I bought were skf but we&#39;=
re obviously not legitimate.=C2=A0 I took it with me to skf on a visit and =
confirmed it was not made in any of their factories. =C2=A0</div><div id=3D=
"m_-3331407489455156455AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"m_-33314074=
89455156455AppleMailSignature">If you&#39;ve got concerns of counterfit bea=
rings send me some pictures and I can help.=C2=A0</div><div id=3D"m_-333140=
7489455156455AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"m_-333140748945515645=
5AppleMailSignature">Aaron<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class=
=3D"h5"><div><br>On 29-Sep-2016, at 10:29 PM, Jason Sukey &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">John,<div>=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Replacing the old bearings because they were worn out=
.=C2=A0 New Timkens seem to be the best available option.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Jason</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">johnstydo@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Some of the USA-s=
tamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to the England-made.=
=C2=A0 I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if they were made overseas. If there is =
nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?</div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"m_-333=
1407489455156455h5">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jsukey@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
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"><div><div class=3D"m_-3331407489455156455h5"><div dir=3D"ltr">Has anyone =
else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width&#39;s when reb=
uilding a spitfire differential?=C2=A0 The one I&#39;m building right now, =
I&#39;ve replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England)=
 with brand new Timken USA bearings.=C2=A0 In order to reach the required .=
004&quot; preload, it will require .012&quot; LESS total shim than what was=
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variable being new bearings.=C2=A0 I&#39;m using the same housing, same car=
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Ive seen it in my work too, but did not realize how big a problem its =
become. Not only Timken but other top brands as well. Thanks Aaron.

https://thecounterfeitreport.com/product/271/Timken-Bearings.html

=20

=20

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Aaron Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:22 PM
To: Jason Sukey <[email-masked]>
Cc: FOT list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?

=20

How did you order the bearings?    There is a huge counterfit bearing =
manufacturing market.   I have lost count how many times over the last 6 =
years I've had to investigate them.  The last set of ball bearings I =
bought were skf but we're obviously not legitimate.  I took it with me =
to skf on a visit and confirmed it was not made in any of their =
factories. =20

=20

If you've got concerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and =
I can help.=20

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Aaron

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On 29-Sep-2016, at 10:29 PM, Jason Sukey <[email-masked] =

John,

        Replacing the old bearings because they were worn out.  New =
Timkens seem to be the best available option.

=20

Jason

=20

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar <[email-masked] =

Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to =
the England-made.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. =
If there is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?

=20

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <[email-masked] =

=20

Thanks,

=20

Jason Sukey

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become. Not only Timken but other top brands as well. Thanks =
Aaron.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron =
Johnson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:22 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jason Sukey &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT =
list &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] variation =
in Timken carrier bearing width?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>How did =
you order the bearings? &nbsp; &nbsp;There is a huge counterfit bearing =
manufacturing market. &nbsp; I have lost count how many times over the =
last 6 years I've had to investigate them. &nbsp;The last set of ball =
bearings I bought were skf but we're obviously not legitimate. &nbsp;I =
took it with me to skf on a visit and confirmed it was not made in any =
of their factories. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>If you've got concerns of =
counterfit bearings send me some pictures and I can =
help.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Aaron<br><br>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 29-Sep-2016, at 10:29 PM, Jason =
Sukey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>John,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Replacing the old bearings because they were worn =
out.&nbsp; New Timkens seem to be the best available =
option.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jason<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, =
Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when =
you compare them to the England-made.&nbsp; I wouldn't be surprised if =
they were made overseas. If there is nothing wrong with your old =
bearings, why replace them?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote =
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in =
carrier bearing width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?&nbsp; =
The one I'm building right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the =
original bearings (Timken England) with brand new Timken USA =
bearings.&nbsp; In order to reach the required .004&quot; preload, it =
will require .012&quot; LESS total shim than what was in there =
originally.&nbsp; That seems like a big difference with the only =
variable being new bearings.&nbsp; I'm using the same housing, same =
carrier, the bearings visually look to be fully pressed home.&nbsp; =
Anyone else experience this?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
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All major bearing brands are and have been counterfeited.   Do not think bec=
ause it's in a box from that company it's ok.  Don't think because it's mark=
ed correctly that it's ok.  I have seen and investigated aero engine failure=
s with bearings that are marked with our cage code and lots that trace to ac=
tual manufacturing lots.  However we track serial numbers and have real ones=
 service.  Only buy bearings from authorised sellers or distributors.  Anyth=
ing purchased through a third part is sceptical in my book=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30-Sep-2016, at 9:02 PM, Ashley Page <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> Ive seen it in my work too, but did not realize how big a problem its beco=
me. Not only Timken but other top brands as well. Thanks Aaron.
> How did you order the bearings?    There is a huge counterfit bearing manu=
facturing market.   I have lost count how many times over the last 6 years I=
've had to investigate them.  The last set of ball bearings I bought were sk=
f but we're obviously not legitimate.  I took it with me to skf on a visit a=
nd confirmed it was not made in any of their factories. =20
> =20
> If you've got concerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and I c=
an help.=20
> =20
> Jason
> =20
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar <[email-masked]> wrot=
> Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's w=
hen rebuilding a spitfire differential?  The one I'm building right now, I'v=
e replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with br=
and new Timken USA bearings.  In order to reach the required .004" preload, i=
t will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there originally.  Tha=
t seems like a big difference with the only variable being new bearings.  I'=
m using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be ful=
ly pressed home.  Anyone else experience this?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>All major bearing brands are and have b=
een counterfeited. &nbsp; Do not think because it's in a box from that compa=
ny it's ok. &nbsp;Don't think because it's marked correctly that it's ok. &n=
bsp;I have seen and investigated aero engine failures with bearings that are=
 marked with our cage code and lots that trace to actual manufacturing lots.=
 &nbsp;However we track serial numbers and have real ones service. &nbsp;Onl=
y buy bearings from authorised sellers or distributors. &nbsp;Anything purch=
ased through a third part is sceptical in my book&nbsp;<br><br>Sent from my i=
Phone</div><div><br>On 30-Sep-2016, at 9:02 PM, Ashley Page &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
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an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
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autox.team.net">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>A=
aron Johnson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:22 PM<br><b>To:=
</b> Jason Sukey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carri=
er bearing width?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">How did you order the bearing=
s? &nbsp; &nbsp;There is a huge counterfit bearing manufacturing market. &nb=
sp; I have lost count how many times over the last 6 years I've had to inves=
tigate them. &nbsp;The last set of ball bearings I bought were skf but we're=
 obviously not legitimate. &nbsp;I took it with me to skf on a visit and con=
firmed it was not made in any of their factories. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you've got co=
ncerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and I can help.&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p=
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</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jason<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016=
 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt=
;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some o=
f the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to the Engla=
nd-made.&nbsp; I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. If there i=
s nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?<o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid=
 #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"=
><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has anyone else noticed rather large v=
ariation in carrier bearing width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?=
&nbsp; The one I'm building right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the o=
riginal bearings (Timken England) with brand new Timken USA bearings.&nbsp; I=
n order to reach the required .004" preload, it will require .012" LESS tota=
l shim than what was in there originally.&nbsp; That seems like a big differ=
ence with the only variable being new bearings.&nbsp; I'm using the same hou=
sing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be fully pressed home.&nbs=
p; Anyone else experience this?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Jason Sukey<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:=
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