Subject: [Fot] Which Roller Rockers for racing TR4

From: STEPHEN BOROWSKI <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 15:52:49 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hello All,Are Roller Rockers really worth the effort & price? Which ones ? What's the best set up for the TR4? 
Thxs. Steve

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From: "Barry Munson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 13:01:13 -0600

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Hi Steve =E2=80=93 Go to Goodparts (Richard Good) website and check out =
the complete setup that he offers for the TR3-4 engines. I have 2 =
complete sets one for each of my performance engines (10.5:1 and =
12.5:1). They are superb quality and absolutely bullet proof =E2=80=93 I =
have definitive proof to back this claim up but that=E2=80=99s for =
another discussion. Are they really worth the effort - there=E2=80=99s =
absolutely none, they bolt right in with no modifications. However you =
do have to use an alloy valve cover or purchase an aluminum spacer from =
him, to allow rocker arm clearance under the stock valve cover. Worth =
the price that=E2=80=99s hard to answer as I=E2=80=99m sure that you =
will get lots of opinions both for and against especially when you =
consider the use that we are putting our engines to and the amount of =
stress that we are subjecting the components to. Are roller rockers =
overkill ?????. For what it=E2=80=99s worth when I asked my machinist, =
whose business is building V8 push rod engines for oval and drag racing, =
for efficiency of operation and durability they=E2=80=99re the only way =
to go. Subjective I know but he showed me all the benefits on an drag =
engine under construction which made the decision really easy for me.

Benefits of the Goodparts kit:

-        Rockers are constructed from high strength alloy with ball =
bearings in both the shaft end and the tip and available in 1.55 and =
1.65 ratios;

-        Rocker shaft hardened;

-        Pedestals are high strength alloy and the end pedestals have an =
extension that supports both ends of the shaft with additional clamping =
at the ends;

If you decide to go with roller rockers I would recommend (heartily) =
that you purchase ARP pedestal studs with nuts and washers and, push =
rods from Smith Brothers. I can give you part numbers and specifications =
for both if you want them.

=20

I=E2=80=99m sure that your question will lead to an interesting string.

=20

Barry.

=20

=20

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of STEPHEN =
BOROWSKI
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 9:53 AM
To: FOT List
Subject: [Fot] Which Roller Rockers for racing TR4

=20

Hello All,

Are Roller Rockers really worth the effort & price? Which ones ? What's =
the best set up for the TR4?=20

=20

Thxs. Steve

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi Steve =E2=80=93 Go to =
Goodparts (Richard Good) website and check out the complete setup that =
he offers for the TR3-4 engines. I have 2 complete sets one for each of =
my performance engines (10.5:1 and 12.5:1). They are superb quality and =
absolutely bullet proof =E2=80=93 I have definitive proof to back this =
claim up but that=E2=80=99s for another discussion. Are they really =
worth the effort - there=E2=80=99s absolutely none, they bolt right in =
with no modifications. However you do have to use an alloy valve cover =
or purchase an aluminum spacer from him, to allow rocker arm clearance =
under the stock valve cover. Worth the price that=E2=80=99s hard to =
answer as I=E2=80=99m sure that you will get lots of opinions both for =
and against especially when you consider the use that we are putting our =
engines to and the amount of stress that we are subjecting the =
components to. Are roller rockers overkill ?????. For what it=E2=80=99s =
worth when I asked my machinist, whose business is building V8 push rod =
engines for oval and drag racing, for efficiency of operation and =
durability they=E2=80=99re the only way to go. Subjective I know but he =
showed me all the benefits on an drag engine under construction which =
made the decision really easy for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Benefits of the Goodparts =
kit:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Rockers are constructed from =
high strength alloy with ball bearings in both the shaft end and the tip =
and available in 1.55 and 1.65 ratios;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Rocker shaft =
hardened;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Pedestals are high strength =
alloy and the end pedestals have an extension that supports both ends of =
the shaft with additional clamping at the ends;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If =
you decide to go with roller rockers I would recommend (heartily) that =
you purchase ARP pedestal studs with nuts and washers and, push rods =
from Smith Brothers. I can give you part numbers and specifications for =
both if you want them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I=E2=80=99m sure that your =
question will lead to an interesting string.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>STEPHEN =
BOROWSKI<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 02, 2016 9:53 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> FOT List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Which Roller Rockers =
for racing TR4<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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'>Are Roller Rockers really worth the effort &amp; price? Which ones ? =
What's the best set up for the TR4? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
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From: Tony Drews <[email-masked]>
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+1 on the GoodParts stuff.&nbsp; I ended up increasing the diameter of
the studs holding the rockers down (I think from 5/16 to 3/8), still
using ARP stuff.&nbsp; I actually broke a 5/16 ARP rear stud.<br><br>
Regards, Tony<br><br>
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Hi Steve =96 Go to Goodparts (Richard Good) website and check out the
complete setup that he offers for the TR3-4 engines. I have 2 complete
sets one for each of my performance engines (10.5:1 and 12.5:1). They are
superb quality and absolutely bullet proof =96 I have definitive proof to
back this claim up but that=E2=80=99s for another discussion. Are they reall=
y
worth the effort - there=E2=80=99s absolutely none, they bolt right in with =
no
modifications. However you do have to use an alloy valve cover or
purchase an aluminum spacer from him, to allow rocker arm clearance under
the stock valve cover. Worth the price that=E2=80=99s hard to answer as I=E2=
=80=99m
sure that you will get lots of opinions both for and against especially
when you consider the use that we are putting our engines to and the
amount of stress that we are subjecting the components to. Are roller
rockers overkill ?????. For what it=E2=80=99s worth when I asked my machinis=
t,
whose business is building V8 push rod engines for oval and drag racing,
for efficiency of operation and durability they=E2=80=99re the only way to g=
o.
Subjective I know but he showed me all the benefits on an drag engine
under construction which made the decision really easy for me.<br>
Benefits of the Goodparts kit:<br>
-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rockers are constructed from
high strength alloy with ball bearings in both the shaft end and the tip
and available in 1.55 and 1.65 ratios;<br>
-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rocker shaft hardened;<br>
-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Pedestals are high strength
alloy and the end pedestals have an extension that supports both ends of
the shaft with additional clamping at the ends;<br>
If you decide to go with roller rockers I would recommend (heartily) that
you purchase ARP pedestal studs with nuts and washers and, push rods from
Smith Brothers. I can give you part numbers and specifications for both
if you want them.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
I=E2=80=99m sure that your question will lead to an interesting string.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Barry.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
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mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>STEPHEN
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 02, 2016 9:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOT List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Which Roller Rockers for racing TR4<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Hello All,<br>
Are Roller Rockers really worth the effort &amp; price? Which ones ?
What's the best set up for the TR4? <br>
&nbsp;<br>
Thxs. Steve<br>
&nbsp;<br>
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From: Tony Drews <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 18:14:48 -0500

Stock rockers can work fine, that's what Jack ran.  Do a hardened 
rocker shaft, alloy pedestals with outriggers to hold the outer end 
of the rocker shaft.

Regards, Tony

At 10:52 AM 9/2/2016, STEPHEN BOROWSKI wrote:
>Hello All,
>Are Roller Rockers really worth the effort & price? Which ones ? 
>What's the best set up for the TR4?
>
>Thxs. Steve
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<div>Ditto.... We use the 1.65 and the motor seems, seat of the pants, quic=
ker in response... Less adjustment between events....more HP. I doubt it.. =
Others more knowledgable than me say less wear on valve guides, besides the=
y really look neat !!!!<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;">Hi Steve =96 Go to Goodparts (Richard Good) website and ch=
eck out the complete setup that he offers for the TR3-4 engines. I have 2 c=
omplete sets one for each of my performance engines (10.5:1
 and 12.5:1). They are superb quality and absolutely bullet proof =96 I hav=
e definitive proof to back this claim up but that=92s for another discussio=
n. Are they really worth the effort - there=92s absolutely none, they bolt =
right in with no modifications. However
 you do have to use an alloy valve cover or purchase an aluminum spacer fro=
m him, to allow rocker arm clearance under the stock valve cover. Worth the=
 price that=92s hard to answer as I=92m sure that you will get lots of opin=
ions both for and against especially
 when you consider the use that we are putting our engines to and the amoun=
t of stress that we are subjecting the components to. Are roller rockers ov=
erkill ?????. For what it=92s worth when I asked my machinist, whose busine=
ss is building V8 push rod engines
 for oval and drag racing, for efficiency of operation and durability they=
=92re the only way to go. Subjective I know but he showed me all the benefi=
ts on an drag engine under construction which made the decision really easy=
 for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;">Benefits of the Goodparts kit:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"=
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Rockers are constructed from high strength all=
oy with ball bearings in both the shaft end and the tip and available in 1.=
55 and 1.65 ratios;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Rocker shaft hardened;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Pedestals are high strength alloy and the end =
pedestals have an extension that supports both ends of the shaft with addit=
ional clamping at the ends;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;">If you decide to go with roller rockers I would recommend =
(heartily) that you purchase ARP pedestal studs with nuts and washers and, =
push rods from Smith Brothers. I can give you part numbers
 and specifications for both if you want them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;">I=92m sure that your question will lead to an interesting =
string.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;">Barry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>STEPHEN BOROWSKI<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 02, 2016 9:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOT List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Which Roller Rockers for racing TR4<o:p></o:p></span>=
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>Are Roller Rockers really worth the effort &amp; price? Which ones ? What'=
s the best set up for the TR4?
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From: Greg Blake <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 06:07:21 -0500

I use what Tony described. You can spend some time with the grinding stones following Kas' instructions and after 2-3 beers you'll have a nice set of rocker arms. 

I've often wondered how the shaft holds up over time with the roller rocker needle bearing setup. Seems like oil fed bushing (stock setup) spreads the load to the shaft way better than needle bearings.

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> On Sep 2, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Tony Drews <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Stock rockers can work fine, that's what Jack ran.  Do a hardened rocker shaft, alloy pedestals with outriggers to hold the outer end of the rocker shaft.
> 
> Regards, Tony
> 
>> Are Roller Rockers really worth the effort & price? Which ones ? What's the best set up for the TR4?
>> 
>> Thxs. Steve
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