Subject: Re: [Fot] Brakes

From: "Joe Curry" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 15:50:25 -0700

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When I first installed my Tilton balance bar, I had a similar problem.  =
The
front disks would work but would not release.  In my case it turned out =
that
the pushrods for the dual master cylinders were not coming back out =
enough
to allow the release hole in the master cylinder to bleed back into the
reservoir.  Making adjustments to the length of the rods solved the =
problem.

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I hope yours is that simple.

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Joe C.

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of John Styduhar
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:29 PM
Cc: FOT list
Subject: Re: [Fot] Brakes

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Sounds like the master cylinder bore is corroded and hanging up the =
piston.
If it is, I would ditch the aftermarket brake setup and return to OEM.

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On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Tony Drews <[email-masked]> wrote:

Certainly the issue is the front calipers not releasing properly, =
getting
hot and boiling the brake fluid.

If the master cylinder isn't fully released, it will keep pressure on =
the
caliper.  I had a rubber brake link in my Miata collapse internally and
cause this issue for a single caliper.

I can't help you with the cause of the sticking, but certainly it sounds
like the master cylinder didn't fully release either due to an internal
issue or a linkage issue.

Regards, Tony Drews

At 07:07 AM 8/12/2016, McKearn McKearn wrote:

HI all.
=C2 =C2  Yesterday while driving the GT6 home from work I took the ramp =
off the
Interstate rather briskly (as usual) and when I got to the end of the =
ramp
and tried to stop I was a bit surprised to find out that I had no =
brakes.
Luckily there were no other cars in sight and I cruised through the stop
sign unnoticed.=C2  I then tested the brakes gently =C2 and was able to =
get them
to work. After deciding=C2 it was somewhat safe to proceed I drove up =
the road
only to have the front brakes grab and not release. I pulled over to =
find
smoking blue front rotors. When I opened the hood=C2 and looked around a =
bit=C2
I heard a CLICK and saw the front master cylinder move and the brakes
released.=C2 Could this just be a simple matter of one of the master =
cylinders
getting some corrosion inside and sticking?=C2  This car has a double =
master
cylinder setup=C2  like many racecars have with willwood cylinders and a
balance bar.=C2 =C2  It has been working flawlessly for several years =
but has
been parked a lot this summer and not really driven much at all lately.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>When I first installed my Tilton =
balance
bar, I had a similar problem.=A0 The front disks would work but would =
not
release. =A0In my case it turned out that the pushrods for the dual =
master
cylinders were not coming back out enough to allow the release hole in =
the
master cylinder to bleed back into the reservoir.=A0 Making adjustments =
to the
length of the rods solved the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope yours is that =
simple.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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[mailto:[email-masked]] <b><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, August =
13, 2016
1:29 PM<br>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Sounds like the master cylinder bore is corroded and hanging up =
the
piston. If it is, I would ditch the aftermarket brake setup and return =
to OEM.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Tony Drews &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Certainly the issue is the front calipers not releasing =
properly,
getting hot and boiling the brake fluid.<br>
<br>
If the master cylinder isn't fully released, it will keep pressure on =
the
caliper.&nbsp; I had a rubber brake link in my Miata collapse internally =
and
cause this issue for a single caliper.<br>
<br>
I can't help you with the cause of the sticking, but certainly it sounds =
like
the master cylinder didn't fully release either due to an internal issue =
or a
linkage issue.<br>
<br>
Regards, Tony Drews<br>
<br>
At 07:07 AM 8/12/2016, McKearn McKearn =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>HI all.<br>
=C2 =C2&nbsp; Yesterday while driving the GT6 home from work I took the =
ramp off
the Interstate rather briskly (as usual) and when I got to the end of =
the ramp
and tried to stop I was a bit surprised to find out that I had no =
brakes.
Luckily there were no other cars in sight and I cruised through the stop =
sign
unnoticed.=C2&nbsp; I then tested the brakes gently =C2 and was able to =
get them to
work. After deciding=C2 it was somewhat safe to proceed I drove up the =
road only
to have the front brakes grab and not release. I pulled over to find =
smoking
blue front rotors. When I opened the hood=C2 and looked around a bit=C2 =
I heard a
CLICK and saw the front master cylinder move and the brakes released.=C2 =
Could
this just be a simple matter of one of the master cylinders getting some
corrosion inside and sticking?=C2&nbsp; This car has a double master =
cylinder
setup=C2&nbsp; like many racecars have with willwood cylinders and a =
balance
bar.=C2 =C2&nbsp; It has been working flawlessly for several years but =
has been
parked a lot this summer and not really driven much at all lately.<br>
=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =
=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =
=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2
=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2&nbsp; P.J.<br>
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