Subject: Re: [Fot] First Lap at Thompson Vintage Festival Last Weekend

From: "Marcel Van Mulders" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 12:38:27 +0200

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Well done against the fast accelerating Lotus7 lookalike
I've upload some video's of the Triumph Competition races at Francorchamps,
june 24th-26th to Youtube and Facebook. Then I tried yesterday to share this
video's from Youtube with an email to the Fot : this doesn't seem to work.
Does anyone know how I can share these video's to this forum? 
If someone is interested : the tags to find the video's on Youtube are :
Triumph Competition ; Francorchamps ; 2016 ; Marcel Van Mulders

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Van: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Robert Lang
Verzonden: donderdag 30 juni 2016 18:13
Aan: FOT List
Onderwerp: [Fot] First Lap at Thompson Vintage Festival Last Weekend

Hi,
I had fun at the Thompson event last weekend, here's the first lap of the
SAT morning race:

2016 VRG Thompson <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L4FQkMhvcQ> 

 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L4FQkMhvcQ> 

  <https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/youtube.png> 	

2016 VRG Thompson

First lap of the Group 2 vintage race at the Thompson Vintage Motorsports
Festival, June 2016.

Lots of fun!

Cya
Bob Lang

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<FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><B>Van:</B> Fot =
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From: "MadMarx" <[email-masked]>
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Hi guys,

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My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've =
experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing =
pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and =
outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump =
more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, =
currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.

=20

Cheers

Chris

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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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D'>Hi guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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From: "Bill Tobin" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 21:25:15 -0400

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I hate to ask Chris, but I've seen this before: are you sure your gauges =
are accurate? I saw this problem on a well known car a while back.
Electrical or mechanical?
Could be worth checking.
Good luck.
Bill
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  Hi guys,

  =20

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  Cheers

  Chris

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I hate to ask Chris, but I've seen this =
before: are=20
you sure your gauges are accurate? I saw this problem on a well known =
car a=20
while back.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Electrical or mechanical?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Could be worth checking.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Good luck.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Fot] TR8 Water=20
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  lang=3DEN-US>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed =
and at idle=20
  the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them=20
  down.<BR>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough.=20
  I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump=20
  speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and =
outlet is=20
  10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more =
slower? It was=20
  running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed. =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
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From: "Marcel Van Mulders" <[email-masked]>
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My diesel BMW runs always at 100=B0C/212=B0F when hot. What coolant =
thermostat
is in it? If the T=B0 is steady at 212=B0F, perhaps it  is intentionally =
done so
with a 212=B0 thermostat.
Marcel

  _____ =20

Van: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens MadMarx
Verzonden: donderdag 7 juli 2016 19:21
Aan: 'FOT List'
Onderwerp: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

Hi guys,

=20

My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps
are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've
experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing =
pump
speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and outlet =
is
10=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? =
It
was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed. =
Any
ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.

=20

Cheers

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size=3D2 face=3DArial>My diesel BMW runs always at 100=B0C/212=B0F when =
hot. What=20
coolant thermostat is in it? If the T=B0 is steady at 212=B0F, perhaps =
it&nbsp; is=20
intentionally done so with a 212=B0 thermostat.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D086215610-09072016><FONT =
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<FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><B>Van:</B> Fot =
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<B>Namens </B>MadMarx<BR><B>Verzonden:</B> donderdag 7 juli 2016=20
19:21<BR><B>Aan:</B> 'FOT List'<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> [Fot] TR8 Water=20
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guys,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>My=20
TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are=20
getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.<BR>Radiator =
core is=20
68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've experiment with =
different=20
restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed didn't help =
either. The=20
difference between radiator in and outlet is 10=B0C (50F). Not enough I =
would say.=20
Maybe making the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 =
slower than=20
crank, currently 1:1 speed. </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
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I have a 160F thermostat installed.

Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it =
goes
with that.

=20

Chris

=20

Von: Marcel Van Mulders [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01
An: 'MadMarx' <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

Marcel

=20

  _____ =20

Hi guys,

=20

=20

Cheers

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Marcel Van Mulders [mailto:[email-masked]] =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01<br><b>An:</b> 'MadMarx' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>My =
diesel BMW runs always at 100=B0C/212=B0F when hot. What coolant =
thermostat is in it? If the T=B0 is steady at 212=B0F, perhaps it&nbsp; =
is intentionally done so with a 212=B0 =
thermostat.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>Marc=
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><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>] <b>Namens </b>MadMarx<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 7 juli =
2016 19:21<br><b>Aan:</b> 'FOT List'<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] TR8 =
Water temperature</span><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Hi guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the =
pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, =
currently 1:1 speed. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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From: Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 06:50:41 -0500

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Chris,

212F at idle?  That=E2=80=99s interesting.  I=E2=80=99ll start with the =
usual questions:=20

1) What is the temperature you recorded at the radiator inlet?  (Having =
observed this, I assume you have already confirmed that the gauge is =
reading correctly.)

2) Is the radiator clean, inside and out?

3) Have you confirmed that there is not an air bubble trapped in the =
system?

4) Temperature at idle remains this high even with the cooling fan =
blowing?  If so, is the fan blowing the right direction?

I don=E2=80=99t know whether the following applies to the Rover motor =
you=E2=80=99ve got, but some Morgan owners with Triumph motors have =
found that the impeller of their new water pump is improperly placed on =
its shaft so that there is a large gap between the impeller and the =
housing, causing it to be very inefficient.  One guy measured 0.075=E2=80=9D=
 end clearance, which he was able to reduce to 0.015=E2=80=9D by use of =
a spacer.
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Duncan Charlton
Elgin, Texas USA

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class=3D"">Chris,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">212F at =
idle? &nbsp;That=E2=80=99s interesting. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ll start with =
the usual questions:&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">1) What is the temperature you recorded at the radiator =
inlet? &nbsp;(Having observed this, I assume you have already confirmed =
that the gauge is reading correctly.)</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">2) Is the radiator clean, inside and =
out?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">3) Have =
you confirmed that there is not an air bubble trapped in the =
system?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">4) =
Temperature at idle remains this high even with the cooling fan blowing? =
&nbsp;If so, is the fan blowing the right direction?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I don=E2=80=99t know =
whether the following applies to the Rover motor you=E2=80=99ve got, but =
some Morgan owners with Triumph motors have found that the impeller of =
their new water pump is improperly placed on its shaft so that there is =
a large gap between the impeller and the housing, causing it to be very =
inefficient. &nbsp;One guy measured 0.075=E2=80=9D end clearance, which =
he was able to reduce to 0.015=E2=80=9D by use of a spacer.</div><div =
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<div class=3D"">Duncan Charlton</div><div class=3D"">Elgin, Texas =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
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Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi guys,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
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0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">My TR8 is =
running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the temps are =
getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.<br =
class=3D"">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
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style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
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class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
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Hi Duncan,

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To answer your questions:

1-      I measure about the same what is measured at the head outlet. =
The gauge is mechanical and I=E2=80=99ve put the probe in boiling water =
and had read 210F. I think this is okay with being 200 meters above see =
level.

2-      The radiator core is new and came in at year 2014. I=E2=80=99ve =
also measured over the whole core temperatures and they are very even. =
It is also clean from outside.

3-      I do always my best to remove air.

4-      With the fan blowing the temperature is creeping up more and =
more. Fan blows in the right direction

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The impeller of the waterpump has a metal plate so it should be =
independent of any distance to the housing.

=20

The car had these temperatures already when I drove it at Road America. =
So this is not a new thing on the car, I just want to cure it.

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Chri

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Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:51
An: MadMarx <[email-masked]>
Cc: FOT List <[email-masked]>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

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Chris,

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I don=E2=80=99t know whether the following applies to the Rover motor =
you=E2=80=99ve got, but some Morgan owners with Triumph motors have =
found that the impeller of their new water pump is improperly placed on =
its shaft so that there is a large gap between the impeller and the =
housing, causing it to be very inefficient.  One guy measured =
0.075=E2=80=9D end clearance, which he was able to reduce to =
0.015=E2=80=9D by use of a spacer.

=20

Duncan Charlton

Elgin, Texas USA

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Hi guys,

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Cheers

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Hi Duncan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>To answer your questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1-<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I measure about the same what is measured at the head =
outlet. The gauge is mechanical and I=E2=80=99ve put the probe in =
boiling water and had read 210F. I think this is okay with being 200 =
meters above see level.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>The radiator core is new and came in at year 2014. =
I=E2=80=99ve also measured over the whole core temperatures and they are =
very even. It is also clean from outside.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I do always my best to remove air.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>With the fan blowing the temperature is creeping up more =
and more. Fan blows in the right direction<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>The impeller of the waterpump has a metal plate so it =
should be independent of any distance to the =
housing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>The car had these temperatures already when I drove it at =
Road America. So this is not a new thing on the car, I just want to cure =
it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Duncan Charlton [mailto:[email-masked]] =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:51<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT List =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>212F at =
idle? &nbsp;That=E2=80=99s interesting. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ll start with =
the usual questions:&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1) What is the temperature you recorded at the =
radiator inlet? &nbsp;(Having observed this, I assume you have already =
confirmed that the gauge is reading =
correctly.)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>2) Is the radiator clean, inside and =
out?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>3) Have you confirmed that there is not an air bubble =
trapped in the system?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>4) Temperature at idle remains this high even with the =
cooling fan blowing? &nbsp;If so, is the fan blowing the right =
direction?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
don=E2=80=99t know whether the following applies to the Rover motor =
you=E2=80=99ve got, but some Morgan owners with Triumph motors have =
found that the impeller of their new water pump is improperly placed on =
its shaft so that there is a large gap between the impeller and the =
housing, causing it to be very inefficient. &nbsp;One guy measured =
0.075=E2=80=9D end clearance, which he was able to reduce to =
0.015=E2=80=9D by use of a spacer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Duncan Charlton<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Elgin, Texas USA<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Hi guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span =
>Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
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>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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The cap is a 23 psi cap.

I have an expansion tank which is plumbed at the sucktion side of the =
lower pump hose and has a 2nd connection at the top of the radiator to =
remove air from the system.

I don=E2=80=99t understand the air flow question. The car has an inlet =
on front, and an airbox around the radiator to force the air through.

=20

=20

Von: Greg Blake [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 15:49
An: MadMarx <[email-masked]>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

questions.=20

What pressure are you running?

Do you have a pressurized expansion tank plumed into the system that =
takes water from the back of one of the heads then recirculates to the =
pump?

What kind of air flow are you getting through the radiator?

Sent from my iPhone

Hi guys,

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Cheers

Chris

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nguage:EN-US'>The cap is a 23 psi cap.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I have an expansion tank which is plumbed at the sucktion =
side of the lower pump hose and has a 2<sup>nd</sup> connection at the =
top of the radiator to remove air from the =
system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I don=E2=80=99t understand the air flow question. The car =
has an inlet on front, and an airbox around the radiator to force the =
air through.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Greg Blake [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, =
9. Juli 2016 15:49<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>questions.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>What pressure are you =
running?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Do you have a pressurized expansion tank plumed into =
the system that takes water from the back of one of the heads then =
recirculates to the pump?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>What kind of air flow are =
you getting through the radiator?<br><br>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
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>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Maybe you need a multi pass radiator. Do you know what is in the car now; si=
ngle, double; triple pass?

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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> The cap is a 23 psi cap.
> I have an expansion tank which is plumbed at the sucktion side of the lowe=
r pump hose and has a 2nd connection at the top of the radiator to remove ai=
r from the system.
> I don=E2=80=99t understand the air flow question. The car has an inlet on f=
ront, and an airbox around the radiator to force the air through.
> Do you have a pressurized expansion tank plumed into the system that takes=
 water from the back of one of the heads then recirculates to the pump?
> My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the tem=
ps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
> Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've exp=
eriment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed=
 didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0=
C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It was r=
unning on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 1=
0 Liters are circulating.
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3@=
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oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The cap is a 23 psi cap.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-US">I have an expansion tank which is plumbed at the sucktion side of t=
he lower pump hose and has a 2<sup>nd</sup> connection at the top of the rad=
iator to remove air from the system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I don=E2=80=99t understand th=
e air flow question. The car has an inlet on front, and an airbox around the=
 radiator to force the air through.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
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ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Von:</span></b><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> G=
reg Blake [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:gblake58tr3@iclo=
ud.com</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 15:49<br><b>An:</b> M=
adMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tr4racing@googlemail.=
com</a>&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">questions.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSig=
nature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What pressure are you running?<o:p></o:p></p>=
</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you have a pr=
essurized expansion tank plumed into the system that takes water from the ba=
ck of one of the heads then recirculates to the pump?<o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What kind of air flow ar=
e you getting through the radiator?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jul=
 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote s=
tyle=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ver=
dana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My TR8 is running way too hot a=
bout 212F at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high also. I h=
ave no idea to get them down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose t=
hat should be enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with n=
o change. Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between rad=
iator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making=
 the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, c=
urrently 1:1 speed. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulatin=
g.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></=
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It is a single pass single core radiator with 2=E2=80=9D tube=20

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Von: Greg Blake
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 21:08
An: MadMarx
Cc: FOT List
Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

Maybe you need a multi pass radiator. Do you know what is in the car now; s=
ingle, double; triple pass?

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On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> wrote:
The cap is a 23 psi cap.
I have an expansion tank which is plumbed at the sucktion side of the lower=
 pump hose and has a 2nd connection at the top of the radiator to remove ai=
r from the system.
I don=E2=80=99t understand the air flow question. The car has an inlet on f=
ront, and an airbox around the radiator to force the air through.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Von: Greg Blake [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 15:49
An: MadMarx <[email-masked]>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=C2=A0
questions.=C2=A0
What pressure are you running?
Do you have a pressurized expansion tank plumed into the system that takes =
water from the back of one of the heads then recirculates to the pump?
What kind of air flow are you getting through the radiator?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> wrote:
Hi guys,
=C2=A0
My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the temp=
s are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've expe=
riment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed=
 didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=
=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It w=
as running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed. Any id=
eas? 10 Liters are circulating.
=C2=A0
Cheers
Chris
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=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>It is a single pass=
 single core radiator with 2=E2=80=9D tube </span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal>Gesendet von meinem Windows 10 Phone</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-to=
p:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'border:none;padding:0cm'><b>Von: </b><a href=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@iclo=
ud.com">Greg Blake</a><br><b>Gesendet: </b>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 21:08<br><=
b>An: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">MadMarx</a><br><b>Cc:=
 </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">FOT List</a><br><b>Betreff: </b>=
Re: AW: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Times New Roman",serif'>Maybe you need a multi pass radiator. Do you kn=
ow what is in the car now; single, double; triple pass?<br><br>Sent from my=
 iPhone</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"=
,serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bot=
tom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",s=
erif'><br>On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tr4rac=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-U=
S'>The cap is a 23 psi cap.</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New Rom=
an",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US st=
yle=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have an expansion tank which is plumbe=
d at the sucktion side of the lower pump hose and has a 2<sup>nd</sup> conn=
ection at the top of the radiator to remove air from the system.</span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
'>I don=E2=80=99t understand the air flow question. The car has an inlet on=
 front, and an airbox around the radiator to force the air through.</span><=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-fareast-=
language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a name=3D=
"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&=
nbsp;</span></a></p><span style=3D'mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><di=
v><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0c=
m 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Von:</b> Greg Blake [<a href=3D"mailto:g=
[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:<=
/b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 15:49<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Betreff:<=
/b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal>&nbsp;</p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>questions.&nbsp;</p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>What pressure are you running?=
</p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Do you have a p=
ressurized expansion tank plumed into the system that takes water from the =
back of one of the heads then recirculates to the pump?</p></div><div id=3D=
AppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>What kind of air flow are you getti=
ng through the radiator?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM=
, MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tr4racing@googlem=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margi=
n-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi gu=
ys,</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"V=
erdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F =
at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high also. I have no i=
dea to get them down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that sh=
ould be enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no ch=
ange. Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiat=
or in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making t=
he pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, cu=
rrently 1:1 speed. </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verd=
ana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verda=
na",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s=
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eers</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
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From: Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]>
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Chris,

It might be instructive to measure input/output comparison temperatures =
over a range of, say, 160=CB=9AF to 212=CB=9AF.  Everything I=E2=80=99ve =
read so far says that a 25=CB=9AF drop between inlet and outlet is =
pretty typical.  If it=E2=80=99s dropping more than that, I would think =
that the coolant is spending more time in the radiator due to slow flow. =
 I have read that the idea that the water is circulating too fast for an =
adequate temperature drop in the radiator has been discredited but I =
couldn=E2=80=99t find the source of that statement.  It does make sense =
to me, however, that if the water flow is completely unrestricted some =
areas will be cooled more effectively than others as friction loss drags =
down flow in smaller passages in the engine as flow increases to the =
larger passages.

Checking the temperature at various places on the block and intake =
manifold could yield some useful information too.

I just remembered something as I was typing this.  Some serpentine belt =
arrangements cause the water pump to turn the other direction on the BOP =
V8.   there are various types of impeller, some with straight vanes, =
some with curved ones, and I=E2=80=99ve seen both =E2=80=9Cdirections=E2=80=
=9D of curved vanes  =E2=80=94 I wonder if your car ended up with one =
that is meant to turn the other way.

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, Texas USA

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:11 AM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Duncan,
> =20
> =20
> The car had these temperatures already when I drove it at Road =
America. So this is not a new thing on the car, I just want to cure it.
> =C2=A0 <>
> 212F at idle?  That=E2=80=99s interesting.  I=E2=80=99ll start with =
the usual questions:=20
> =20
> 1) What is the temperature you recorded at the radiator inlet?  =
(Having observed this, I assume you have already confirmed that the =
gauge is reading correctly.)
system?
>> My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
>> Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Chris,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">It might =
be instructive to measure input/output comparison temperatures over a =
range of, say, 160=CB=9AF to 212=CB=9AF. &nbsp;Everything I=E2=80=99ve =
read so far says that a 25=CB=9AF drop between inlet and outlet is =
pretty typical. &nbsp;If it=E2=80=99s dropping more than that, I would =
think that the coolant is spending more time in the radiator due to slow =
flow. &nbsp;I have read that the idea that the water is circulating too =
fast for an adequate temperature drop in the radiator has been =
discredited but I couldn=E2=80=99t find the source of that statement. =
&nbsp;It does make sense to me, however, that if the water flow is =
completely unrestricted some areas will be cooled more effectively than =
others as friction loss drags down flow in smaller passages in the =
engine as flow increases to the larger passages.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Checking the temperature at various =
places on the block and intake manifold could yield some useful =
information too.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I just remembered something as I was typing this. &nbsp;Some =
serpentine belt arrangements cause the water pump to turn the other =
direction on the BOP V8. &nbsp; there are various types of impeller, =
some with straight vanes, some with curved ones, and I=E2=80=99ve seen =
both =E2=80=9Cdirections=E2=80=9D of curved vanes &nbsp;=E2=80=94 I =
wonder if your car ended up with one that is meant to turn the other =
way.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">Duncan Charlton</div><div class=3D"">Elgin, Texas =
USA</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">

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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:11 AM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi=
 Duncan,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">To answer your =
questions:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">1-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I measure about the same what is measured at the =
head outlet. The gauge is mechanical and I=E2=80=99ve put the probe in =
boiling water and had read 210F. I think this is okay with being 200 =
meters above see level.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">2-<span style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The radiator core is new and came in at year =
2014. I=E2=80=99ve also measured over the whole core temperatures and =
they are very even. It is also clean from outside.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt =
36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">3-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I do always my best to remove air.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt =
36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">4-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">With the fan blowing the temperature is creeping =
up more and more. Fan blows in the right direction<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The impeller of the =
waterpump has a metal plate so it should be independent of any distance =
to the housing.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The car had these temperatures already =
when I drove it at Road America. So this is not a new thing on the car, =
I just want to cure it.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chri<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></div><span =
class=3D""></span><div class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Duncan Charlton [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:51<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>FOT =
List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Chris,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">212F at idle? &nbsp;That=E2=80=99s interesting. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99=
ll start with the usual questions:&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">1) What is the temperature you recorded =
at the radiator inlet? &nbsp;(Having observed this, I assume you have =
already confirmed that the gauge is reading correctly.)<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">2) Is the radiator clean, inside and =
out?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">3) Have you confirmed that there is not an air bubble =
trapped in the system?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">4) Temperature at idle remains this high even with =
the cooling fan blowing? &nbsp;If so, is the fan blowing the right =
direction?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">I don=E2=80=99t know whether the following applies to =
the Rover motor you=E2=80=99ve got, but some Morgan owners with Triumph =
motors have found that the impeller of their new water pump is =
improperly placed on its shaft so that there is a large gap between the =
impeller and the housing, causing it to be very inefficient. &nbsp;One =
guy measured 0.075=E2=80=9D end clearance, which he was able to reduce =
to 0.015=E2=80=9D by use of a spacer.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Duncan Charlton<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">Elgin, Texas USA<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi =
guys,</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F =
at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high also. I have =
no idea to get them down.<br class=3D"">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. =
I suppose that should be enough. I've experiment with different =
restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed didn't help =
either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C =
(50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It was =
running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Cheers</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Chris</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
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Duncan,

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I have a drop of 50F from inlet to outlet.

The wrong impeller needs to be checked next time I open the water pump.

The water way is from front to rear and back through the head to the =
thermostat housing.

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Chris

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Chris,

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I just remembered something as I was typing this.  Some serpentine belt =
arrangements cause the water pump to turn the other direction on the BOP =
V8.   there are various types of impeller, some with straight vanes, =
some with curved ones, and I=E2=80=99ve seen both =
=E2=80=9Cdirections=E2=80=9D of curved vanes  =E2=80=94 I wonder if your =
car ended up with one that is meant to turn the other way.

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Duncan Charlton

Elgin, Texas USA

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Hi Duncan,

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Chri

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Chris,

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Duncan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I have a drop of 50F from inlet to =
outlet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>The wrong impeller needs to be checked next time I open =
the water pump.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>The water way is from front to rear and back through the =
head to the thermostat housing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></p><span =
style=3D'mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Duncan Charlton [mailto:[email-masked]] =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 22:06<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT List =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>It =
might be instructive to measure input/output comparison temperatures =
over a range of, say, 160=CB=9AF to 212=CB=9AF. &nbsp;Everything =
I=E2=80=99ve read so far says that a 25=CB=9AF drop between inlet and =
outlet is pretty typical. &nbsp;If it=E2=80=99s dropping more than that, =
I would think that the coolant is spending more time in the radiator due =
to slow flow. &nbsp;I have read that the idea that the water is =
circulating too fast for an adequate temperature drop in the radiator =
has been discredited but I couldn=E2=80=99t find the source of that =
statement. &nbsp;It does make sense to me, however, that if the water =
flow is completely unrestricted some areas will be cooled more =
effectively than others as friction loss drags down flow in smaller =
passages in the engine as flow increases to the larger =
passages.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Checking the temperature at various places on the =
block and intake manifold could yield some useful information =
too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
just remembered something as I was typing this. &nbsp;Some serpentine =
belt arrangements cause the water pump to turn the other direction on =
the BOP V8. &nbsp; there are various types of impeller, some with =
straight vanes, some with curved ones, and I=E2=80=99ve seen both =
=E2=80=9Cdirections=E2=80=9D of curved vanes &nbsp;=E2=80=94 I wonder if =
your car ended up with one that is meant to turn the other =
way.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Duncan Charlton<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Elgin, Texas USA<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:11 AM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi =
Duncan,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To answer =
your questions:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1-</span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I measure =
about the same what is measured at the head outlet. The gauge is =
mechanical and I=E2=80=99ve put the probe in boiling water and had read =
210F. I think this is okay with being 200 meters above see =
level.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>2-</span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The radiator =
core is new and came in at year 2014. I=E2=80=99ve also measured over =
the whole core temperatures and they are very even. It is also clean =
from outside.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>3-</span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I do always =
my best to remove air.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>4-</span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>With the fan =
blowing the temperature is creeping up more and more. Fan blows in the =
right direction</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The impeller =
of the waterpump has a metal plate so it should be independent of any =
distance to the housing.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The car had =
these temperatures already when I drove it at Road America. So this is =
not a new thing on the car, I just want to cure =
it.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Chri</span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></=
b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Duncan =
Charlton [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmai=
l.com</a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:51<br><b>An:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>FOT List =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Betre=
ff:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 =
Water temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>212F at idle? &nbsp;That=E2=80=99s interesting. =
&nbsp;I=E2=80=99ll start with the usual =
questions:&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1) What is the temperature you recorded at the =
radiator inlet? &nbsp;(Having observed this, I assume you have already =
confirmed that the gauge is reading =
correctly.)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>2) Is the radiator clean, inside and =
out?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>3) Have you confirmed that there is not an air bubble =
trapped in the system?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>4) Temperature at idle remains this high even with the =
cooling fan blowing? &nbsp;If so, is the fan blowing the right =
direction?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I don=E2=80=99t know whether the following applies to =
the Rover motor you=E2=80=99ve got, but some Morgan owners with Triumph =
motors have found that the impeller of their new water pump is =
improperly placed on its shaft so that there is a large gap between the =
impeller and the housing, causing it to be very inefficient. &nbsp;One =
guy measured 0.075=E2=80=9D end clearance, which he was able to reduce =
to 0.015=E2=80=9D by use of a =
spacer.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Duncan Charlton<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Elgin, Texas =
USA<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Hi guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
>Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]</s=
pan></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><=
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Easiest way to confirm a water gauge is to immerse the sensor in boiling =
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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:25 PM
To: MadMarx; 'FOT List'
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

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Could be worth checking.

Good luck.

Bill

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Hi guys,

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Cheers

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lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Easiest way to confirm a water gauge is to immerse the sensor in =
boiling water which is a known temperature as a =
reference.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill =
Tobin<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 08, 2016 9:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
MadMarx; 'FOT List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I =
hate to ask Chris, but I've seen this before: are you sure your gauges =
are accurate? I saw this problem on a well known car a while =
back.</span><span lang=3DDE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Electrical =
or mechanical?</span><span lang=3DDE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Could be =
worth checking.</span><span =
lang=3DDE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Good =
luck.</span><span lang=3DDE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bill</span><s=
pan lang=3DDE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- =
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
title=3D"[email-masked]">MadMarx</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b=
><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]">'FOT =
List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, =
July 07, 2016 1:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</spa=
n></b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> [Fot] TR8 =
Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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I can't speak to its use for racing, but I swear by this stuff.  I used in i=
n my street TR4A for years and any vehicles I've owned that ran a little hot=
, etc.

Red Line Synthetic Oil - WaterWetter=C2=AE Coolant Additives
http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=3D10

Interested to hear others on it especially relative to racing.

I did own a TR8 for a few months.  I recall it ran hot and it frustrated the=
 hell out of me in general.  (Water Wetter wasn't on the market then.)   I s=
craped my knuckles one too many times under that hood.  It was so cramped co=
mpared to my prior TR7 and TR4A.  I decided it wasn't did me!  So I never di=
scovered why if was running hot.  (All street cars)

--Justin

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Bill Tobin <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
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> I hate to ask Chris, but I've seen this before: are you sure your gauges a=
re accurate? I saw this problem on a well known car a while back.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div><div><span style=3D"backgro=
und-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I can't speak to its use for racing, but=
 I swear by this stuff. &nbsp;I used in in my street TR4A for years and any v=
ehicles I've owned that ran a little hot, etc.</span></div><div><span style=3D=
"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span styl=
e=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Red Line Synthetic Oil - Wat=
erWetter=C2=AE Coolant Additives<br><a href=3D"http://www.redlineoil.com/Pro=
ducts.aspx?pcid=3D10">http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=3D10</a><=
/span></div></div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0=
);"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 25=
5, 0);">Interested to hear others on it especially relative to racing.</span=
></div><div><br></div><div>I did own a TR8 for a few months. &nbsp;I recall i=
t ran hot and it frustrated the hell out of me in general. &nbsp;(Water Wett=
er wasn't on the market then.) &nbsp; I scraped my knuckles one too many tim=
es under that hood. &nbsp;It was so cramped compared to my prior TR7 and TR4=
A. &nbsp;I decided it wasn't did me! &nbsp;So I never discovered why if was r=
unning hot. &nbsp;(All street cars)</div><div><br></div><div>--Justin</div><=
div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Bill Tobin=
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<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I hate to ask Chris, but I've seen this=
 before: are=20
you sure your gauges are accurate? I saw this problem on a well known car a=20=

while back.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Electrical or mechanical?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Could be worth checking.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Good luck.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Bill</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADD=
ING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b=
>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.=
com">MadMarx</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'FOT List'</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:20=20=

  PM</div>
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] TR8 Water=20
temperature</div>
  <div><br></div>
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  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif';=
 COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">Hi guys,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif';=
 COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif';=
 COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">My TR8 is running way too h=
ot about 212F at full speed and at idle=20
  the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them=20
  down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough.=
=20
  I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing p=
ump=20
  speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is=
=20
  10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower=
? It was=20
  running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><=
span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE=
: 10pt">Any=20
  ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif';=
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  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif';=
 COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></d=
iv>
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Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 07:40:11 -0400

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Chris,

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My street TR8 had a heating problem that I discovered was caused by a =
bad gasket at the water pump.  The PO had installed a new pump but the =
gasket did not have a hole for the bypass line.  It always ran hot and =
coolant would blow past the cap.  Also, there were a bunch of pumps made =
overseas that did not even have the bypass hole cast into the pump.  =
Maybe you have this situation, too?

Gary

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 11:07 AM
To: 'Greg Blake'; 'MadMarx'
Cc: 'FOT List'
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

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The cap is a 23 psi cap.

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questions.=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chris,<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>My street =
TR8 had a heating problem that I discovered was caused by a bad gasket =
at the water pump.=C2=A0 The PO had installed a new pump but the gasket =
did not have a hole for the bypass line.=C2=A0 It always ran hot and =
coolant would blow past the cap.=C2=A0 Also, there were a bunch of pumps =
made overseas that did not even have the bypass hole cast into the =
pump.=C2=A0 Maybe you have this situation, too?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Gary<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>MadMarx<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 9, 2016 11:07 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Greg Blake'; 'MadMarx'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'FOT =
List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The cap is =
a 23 psi cap.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have an =
expansion tank which is plumbed at the sucktion side of the lower pump =
hose and has a 2<sup>nd</sup> connection at the top of the radiator to =
remove air from the system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I =
don=E2=80=99t understand the air flow question. The car has an inlet on =
front, and an airbox around the radiator to force the air =
through.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
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#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Greg =
Blake [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]=
 <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 15:49<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE>questions.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>What =
pressure are you running?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>Do you have =
a pressurized expansion tank plumed into the system that takes water =
from the back of one of the heads then recirculates to the =
pump?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>What kind of air flow are you getting =
through the radiator?<br><br>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DDE><br>On Jul 7, 2016, at =
12:20 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi guys,</span><span lang=3DDE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span><span =
lang=3DDE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
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Wouldn=E2=80=99t using a triple core radiator result in a greater =
temperature differential between input and output?  Seems like your =
radiator temperature differential is more than adequate.  The more I =
think about it, the more I believe that flow through the system is too =
slow, either due to a restriction or the pump design.

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, Texas USA

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Christian Marx <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
> Maybe you need a multi pass radiator. Do you know what is in the car =
now; single, double; triple pass?
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, MadMarx <[email-masked] =
>=20
> The cap is a 23 psi cap.
> =20
> =C2=A0 <>
> Von: Greg Blake [mailto:[email-masked] =
> An: MadMarx <[email-masked] =
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums <http://www.team.net/forums>
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Wouldn=E2=80=99t using a triple core radiator result in a =
greater temperature differential between input and output? &nbsp;Seems =
like your radiator temperature differential is more than adequate. =
&nbsp;The more I think about it, the more I believe that flow through =
the system is too slow, either due to a restriction or the pump =
design.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">Duncan Charlton</div><div class=3D"">Elgin, Texas =
USA</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">

</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Christian Marx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
class=3D"">It is a single pass single core radiator with 2=E2=80=9D =
tube<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Gesendet von meinem Windows 10 =
Phone</div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"border-style: solid =
none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; border: =
none; padding: 0cm;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Von:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">Greg Blake</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Gesendet:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
21:08<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">MadMarx</a><br class=3D""><b=
 class=3D"">Cc:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">FOT List</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Betreff:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: AW: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Maybe you need a multi pass radiator. Do you =
know what is in the car now; single, double; triple pass?<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Jul =
9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">The cap is a 23 psi =
cap.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">I have an expansion tank =
which is plumbed at the sucktion side of the lower pump hose and has a =
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class=3D"">Von:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Greg=
 Blake [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: =
rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
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15:49<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
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class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</p><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">questions.&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">What pressure are you =
running?</div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Do you have a pressurized expansion tank plumed into the =
system that takes water from the back of one of the heads then =
recirculates to the pump?</div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:=
 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">What kind of air flow are you getting through the =
radiator?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my =
iPhone</div></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br =
class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi =
guys,</span></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></p><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at =
idle the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br class=3D"">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that =
should be enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with =
no change. Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference =
between radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would =
say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 =
slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></p><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Cheers</span></div><div =
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From: MadMarx <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:27:52 +0200

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Gary,

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the bypass is plugged and not needed on this car.

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: Gary Klein [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 13:40
An: 'FOT List' <[email-masked]>
Cc: 'MadMarx' <[email-masked]>
Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

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Chris,

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Gary

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The cap is a 23 psi cap.

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Hi guys,

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Gary,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>the bypass is plugged and not needed on this =
car.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Gary Klein [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, =
10. Juli 2016 13:40<br><b>An:</b> 'FOT List' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> 'MadMarx' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Chris,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>My street TR8 =
had a heating problem that I discovered was caused by a bad gasket at =
the water pump.&nbsp; The PO had installed a new pump but the gasket did =
not have a hole for the bypass line.&nbsp; It always ran hot and coolant =
would blow past the cap.&nbsp; Also, there were a bunch of pumps made =
overseas that did not even have the bypass hole cast into the =
pump.&nbsp; Maybe you have this situation, too?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Gary<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>MadMarx<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 9, =
2016 11:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Greg Blake'; 'MadMarx'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'FOT =
List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The cap is a =
23 psi cap.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I have an =
expansion tank which is plumbed at the sucktion side of the lower pump =
hose and has a 2<sup>nd</sup> connection at the top of the radiator to =
remove air from the system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I =
don=E2=80=99t understand the air flow question. The car has an inlet on =
front, and an airbox around the radiator to force the air =
through.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
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b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Greg Blake [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]=
 <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 15:49<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>questions.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>What pressure are you =
running?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Do you have a pressurized expansion tank plumed into =
the system that takes water from the back of one of the heads then =
recirculates to the pump?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>What kind of air flow are =
you getting through the radiator?<br><br>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx =
&lt;<a =
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Hi Justin,

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water wetter is only a cure for symptoms but not removing the cause.

I would like to find the cause before trying things.

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: J W [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 07:24
An: Bill Tobin <[email-masked]>
Cc: MadMarx <[email-masked]>; FOT List <[email-masked]>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

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I can't speak to its use for racing, but I swear by this stuff.  I used =
in in my street TR4A for years and any vehicles I've owned that ran a =
little hot, etc.

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I did own a TR8 for a few months.  I recall it ran hot and it frustrated =
the hell out of me in general.  (Water Wetter wasn't on the market =
then.)   I scraped my knuckles one too many times under that hood.  It =
was so cramped compared to my prior TR7 and TR4A.  I decided it wasn't =
did me!  So I never discovered why if was running hot.  (All street =
cars)

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--Justin

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On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Bill Tobin <[email-masked] =

Could be worth checking.

Good luck.

Bill

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Hi guys,

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Chris

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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Hi Justin,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>water wetter is only a cure for symptoms but not removing =
the cause.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I would like to find the cause before trying =
things.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> J W =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 =
07:24<br><b>An:</b> Bill Tobin =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> MadMarx =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT List =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
can't speak to its use for racing, but I swear by this stuff. &nbsp;I =
used in in my street TR4A for years and any vehicles I've owned that ran =
a little hot, etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Red Line Synthetic Oil - WaterWetter=C2=AE Coolant =
Additives<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=3D10">http://www.red=
lineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=3D10</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Interested to hear others on it especially relative to =
racing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
did own a TR8 for a few months. &nbsp;I recall it ran hot and it =
frustrated the hell out of me in general. &nbsp;(Water Wetter wasn't on =
the market then.) &nbsp; I scraped my knuckles one too many times under =
that hood. &nbsp;It was so cramped compared to my prior TR7 and TR4A. =
&nbsp;I decided it wasn't did me! &nbsp;So I never discovered why if was =
running hot. &nbsp;(All street cars)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--Justin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Bill =
Tobin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I hate to ask =
Chris, but I've seen this before: are you sure your gauges are accurate? =
I saw this problem on a well known car a while =
back.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Electrical or =
mechanical?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Could be worth =
checking.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Good =
luck.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bill</span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>From:</span></b=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
title=3D"[email-masked]">MadMarx</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To:</span></b><=
span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]">'FOT =
List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></b=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> =
Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Subject:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> =
[Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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Chris,

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It sounds like an air bubble.  Have you tried running the engine with =
the front end elevated either on a steep hill, a set of ramps or a curb? =
 I know I had a similar issue on my TR8 and burping it this way took =
care of the issue.  I know the system looks like it should naturally =
cleanse all of the air from the system during normal operation, but it =
did not in my car.  I found this right after changing coolant, so I am =
not certain this is your long term issue, but it is worth a shot.

=20

While I don=E2=80=99t have it handy, I think the TR8 ROM talks about =
this.

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Jack

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Hi guys,

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Cheers

Chris

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>It sounds like an air =
bubble.=C2=A0 Have you tried running the engine with the front end =
elevated either on a steep hill, a set of ramps or a curb? =C2=A0I know =
I had a similar issue on my TR8 and burping it this way took care of the =
issue.=C2=A0 I know the system looks like it should naturally cleanse =
all of the air from the system during normal operation, but it did not =
in my car.=C2=A0 I found this right after changing coolant, so I am not =
certain this is your long term issue, but it is worth a =
shot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>While I don=E2=80=99t =
have it handy, I think the TR8 ROM talks about =
this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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I was offering it up as a fix, if all else fails.  And it's a lot less expen=
sive than some alternatives on a budget or if you want to race this weekend,=
 etc, and need a temporary fix.

when I've used it, I've seen a dramatic reduction in running temps that were=
 consistent.

--Justin

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 7:30 AM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Justin,
> =20
> I can't speak to its use for racing, but I swear by this stuff.  I used in=
 in my street TR4A for years and any vehicles I've owned that ran a little h=
ot, etc.
> I did own a TR8 for a few months.  I recall it ran hot and it frustrated t=
he hell out of me in general.  (Water Wetter wasn't on the market then.)   I=
 scraped my knuckles one too many times under that hood.  It was so cramped c=
ompared to my prior TR7 and TR4A.  I decided it wasn't did me!  So I never d=
iscovered why if was running hot.  (All street cars)
[email-masked]
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ix, if all else fails. &nbsp;And it's a lot less expensive than some alterna=
tives on a budget or if you want to race this weekend, etc, and need a tempo=
rary fix.</div><div><br></div><div>when I've used it, I've seen a dramatic r=
eduction in running temps that were consistent.</div><div><br></div><div>--J=
ustin</div><div><br>On Jul 10, 2016, at 7:30 AM, MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>=
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oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Justin,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US">water wetter is only a cure for symptoms but not removing the c=
ause.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-=
language:EN-US">I would like to find the cause before trying things.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-U=
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tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
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Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fa=
reast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></p><span style=3D"mso-boo=
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d #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Von:</s=
pan></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif"> J W [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]=
m</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 07:24<br><b>An:</b> Bill T=
obin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">william.tobin31@veri=
zon.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@google=
mail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; FOT List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:f=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] T=
R8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I can't speak to its u=
se for racing, but I swear by this stuff. &nbsp;I used in in my street TR4A f=
or years and any vehicles I've owned that ran a little hot, etc.<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Red Line Synthetic Oil - WaterWetter=C2=AE Coolant Additiv=
es<br><a href=3D"http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=3D10">http://w=
ww.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=3D10</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Interested to hear others on it especially relative to racing.<o:p></o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">I did own a TR8 for a few months. &nbsp;I recall it ran h=
ot and it frustrated the hell out of me in general. &nbsp;(Water Wetter wasn=
't on the market then.) &nbsp; I scraped my knuckles one too many times unde=
r that hood. &nbsp;It was so cramped compared to my prior TR7 and TR4A. &nbs=
p;I decided it wasn't did me! &nbsp;So I never discovered why if was running=
 hot. &nbsp;(All street cars)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">--Justin<o:p></o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Bill Tobin &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">I hate to ask Chris, but I've s=
een this before: are you sure your gauges are accurate? I saw this problem o=
n a well known car a while back.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sa=
ns-serif">Electrical or mechanical?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;=
,sans-serif">Could be worth checking.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,sans-serif">Good luck.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
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pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">----=
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[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]">MadMarx</a> <o:p></o:p>=
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0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">To:</span></b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"> <a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]">'FOT List'</a> <o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"> Thursday, July 0=
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pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Subj=
ect:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;=
,sans-serif"> [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdan=
a&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My TR8 is running way too hot ab=
out 212F at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high also. I h=
ave no idea to get them down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose t=
hat should be enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with n=
o change. Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between rad=
iator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making=
 the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, c=
urrently 1:1 speed. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulatin=
g.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;V=
erdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></di=
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From: MadMarx <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:30:40 +0200

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Oh, please don=E2=80=99t see my post as a critic to your help.

I=E2=80=99m sorry if my untalented English had sounded that way.

I=E2=80=99m always thinking that every technical item should work with =
the fluids it was designed for.

Water wetter is for sure a good thing, especially if you race in very =
hot areas. So for a race in Spain it would be a help for a problem.

But in my colder area the engine should run without any help.

Just coolant, pump and radiator, and these 3 should be enough for the =
job.=20

And my job is to find the problem.

=20

But I appreciate all the post of FOT=E2=80=A6.they are so helpful and =
giving me a different point of view on the problem and some hinds were =
to start searching.

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

Von: J Wagner [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:20
An: MadMarx <[email-masked]>
Cc: Bill Tobin <[email-masked]>; FOT List =
<[email-masked]>
Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

I was offering it up as a fix, if all else fails.  And it's a lot less =
expensive than some alternatives on a budget or if you want to race this =
weekend, etc, and need a temporary fix.

=20

when I've used it, I've seen a dramatic reduction in running temps that =
were consistent.

=20

--Justin

On Jul 10, 2016, at 7:30 AM, MadMarx <[email-masked] =

Hi Justin,

=20

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

=20

Von: J W [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 07:24
An: Bill Tobin <[email-masked] =
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

=20

=20

--Justin

=20

=20

Could be worth checking.

Good luck.

Bill

=20

Hi guys,

=20

=20

Cheers

Chris

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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Oh, please don=E2=80=99t see my post as a critic to your =
help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I=E2=80=99m sorry if my untalented English had sounded =
that way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I=E2=80=99m always thinking that every technical item =
should work with the fluids it was designed for.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Water wetter is for sure a good thing, especially if you =
race in very hot areas. So for a race in Spain it would be a help for a =
problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>But in my colder area the engine should run without any =
help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Just coolant, pump and radiator, and these 3 should be =
enough for the job. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>And my job is to find the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>But I appreciate all the post of FOT=E2=80=A6.they are so =
helpful and giving me a different point of view on the problem and some =
hinds were to start searching.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> J =
Wagner [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 10. =
Juli 2016 22:20<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Bill Tobin =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT List =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I was =
offering it up as a fix, if all else fails. &nbsp;And it's a lot less =
expensive than some alternatives on a budget or if you want to race this =
weekend, etc, and need a temporary fix.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>when I've used it, I've seen a dramatic reduction in =
running temps that were consistent.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--Justin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 10, 2016, at 7:30 AM, MadMarx =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Hi Justin,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>water wetter is only a cure for symptoms but not removing =
the cause.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I would like to find the cause before trying =
things.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> J W =
[<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 07:24<br><b>An:</b> Bill =
Tobin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
; FOT List &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Betre=
ff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
can't speak to its use for racing, but I swear by this stuff. &nbsp;I =
used in in my street TR4A for years and any vehicles I've owned that ran =
a little hot, etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Red Line Synthetic Oil - WaterWetter=C2=AE Coolant =
Additives<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=3D10">http://www.red=
lineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=3D10</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Interested to hear others on it especially relative to =
racing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
did own a TR8 for a few months. &nbsp;I recall it ran hot and it =
frustrated the hell out of me in general. &nbsp;(Water Wetter wasn't on =
the market then.) &nbsp; I scraped my knuckles one too many times under =
that hood. &nbsp;It was so cramped compared to my prior TR7 and TR4A. =
&nbsp;I decided it wasn't did me! &nbsp;So I never discovered why if was =
running hot. &nbsp;(All street cars)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--Justin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Bill =
Tobin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I hate to ask =
Chris, but I've seen this before: are you sure your gauges are accurate? =
I saw this problem on a well known car a while =
back.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Electrical or =
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Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:20:16 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi Chris,
Is your expansion tank the highest point of your cooling system? You stated=
 that the expansion tank has a connection to the top of the radiator to rem=
ove air from the system. However, the radiator is not the highest point of =
the system. I'm not sure what intake manifold you are running, but you shou=
ld have a line that runs from just behind the thermostat housing (on top of=
 the intake manifold), to the top of the expansion tank. This allows trappe=
d air in the system to bleed out into the expansion tank. If you are runnin=
g an Edelbrock Performer intake manifold, you will have to drill and tap a =
hole into the top of the manifold for a hose nipple.=20

Hope this helps,
-Jeff De Pol.

    On Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:51 PM, Spitfire Racing <spitfire_racing@twcn=
y.rr.com> wrote:
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y to confirm a water gauge is to immerse the sensor in boiling water which =
is a known temperature as a reference. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: Fot [mailt=
o:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:25 PM
To: MadMarx; 'FOT List'
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature =C2=A0I hate to ask Chris, but I'v=
e seen this before: are you sure your gauges are accurate? I saw this probl=
em on a well known car a while back.Electrical or mechanical?Could be worth=
 checking.Good luck.Bill
----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT List' Sent: Thursday, J=
uly 07, 2016 1:20 PMSubject: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature =C2=A0Hi guys, =C2=
=A0My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the t=
emps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've expe=
riment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed=
 didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=
=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It w=
as running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed. Any id=
eas? 10 Liters are circulating. =C2=A0CheersChris__________________________=
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6px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_56566">Hi Chris,</div><div =
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0_ym19_1_1468207101622_58540" dir=3D"ltr">Is your expansion tank the highes=
t point of your cooling system? You stated that the expansion tank has a co=
nnection to the top of the radiator to remove air from the system. However,=
 the radiator is not the highest point of the system. I'm not sure what int=
ake manifold you are running, but you should have a line that runs from jus=
t behind the thermostat housing (on top of the intake manifold), to the top=
 of the expansion tank. This allows trapped air in the system to bleed out =
into the expansion tank. If you are running an Edelbrock Performer intake m=
anifold, you will have to drill and tap a hole into the top of the manifold=
 for a hose nipple. <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_58=
749" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_59125=
" dir=3D"ltr">Hope this helps,</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101=
622_58748" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622=
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ay to confirm a water gauge is to immerse the sensor in boiling water which=
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5755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div c=
lass=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</=
span></div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755yqt1393120190" id=3D=
"yiv3547855755yqt95728"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5=
C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal=
"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;"> Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>=
Bill Tobin<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 08, 2016 9:25 PM<br =
clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> MadMarx; 'FOT List'<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:=
</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span></div></div></div><div class=3D"=
yiv3547855755MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">I hate to ask Chris, but=
 I've seen this before: are you sure your gauges are accurate? I saw this p=
roblem on a well known car a while back.</span><span lang=3D"DE"></span></d=
iv></div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">Electrical or mechanical?</span><span lang=3D"DE"></=
span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">Could be worth checking.</span><span lang=3D=
"DE"></span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">Good luck.</span><span lang=3D"DE"></=
span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">Bill</span><span lang=3D"DE"></span></div></=
div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:=
0in 0in 0in 3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margi=
n-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">----- Original Message ----- </span></div></=
div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#E4E4E4;=
"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">From:</span></b><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" y=
mailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
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/span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;" lang=3D"DE"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:f=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tit=
le=3D"[email-masked]">'FOT List'</a> </span></div></div><div><div class=
=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE=
">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE"> Thursday, =
July 07, 2016 1:20 PM</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755Mso=
Normal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">Subject:</span></b=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE"> [Fot] TR8 Water temperature=
</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"DE"> &nbsp;</span></div></div><div><div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Hi guys,</span></div><div class=3D"yi=
v3547855755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div=
><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">My=
 TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the temps =
are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.<br clear=3D"no=
ne">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've =
experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump s=
peed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 1=
0=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? =
It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed. </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">Any ideas? 10 Liters are=
 circulating.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv3547855755MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv354=
7855755MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"DE">Cheers</spa=
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Hi Jeff,

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Yes, the tank ist he highest point of the system.

To remove the air from block and head I take out the temperature probe =
at the thermostat housing and let the water climb until it comes out and =
put then back the probe.

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: Jeffrey De Pol [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 07:20
An: 'MadMarx'; 'FOT List'
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

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Hi Chris,

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Is your expansion tank the highest point of your cooling system? You =
stated that the expansion tank has a connection to the top of the =
radiator to remove air from the system. However, the radiator is not the =
highest point of the system. I'm not sure what intake manifold you are =
running, but you should have a line that runs from just behind the =
thermostat housing (on top of the intake manifold), to the top of the =
expansion tank. This allows trapped air in the system to bleed out into =
the expansion tank. If you are running an Edelbrock Performer intake =
manifold, you will have to drill and tap a hole into the top of the =
manifold for a hose nipple.=20

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Hope this helps,

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-Jeff De Pol.

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On Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:51 PM, Spitfire Racing =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

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Could be worth checking.

Good luck.

Bill

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Hi guys,

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Cheers

Chris

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi Jeff,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Yes, the tank ist he highest point of the =
system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>To remove the air from block and head I take out the temperature =
probe at the thermostat housing and let the water climb until it comes =
out and put then back the probe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Jeffrey De Pol [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, =
11. Juli 2016 07:20<br><b>An:</b> 'MadMarx'; 'FOT =
List'<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_56566"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi =
Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_56309"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_58540"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Is your =
expansion tank the highest point of your cooling system? You stated that =
the expansion tank has a connection to the top of the radiator to remove =
air from the system. However, the radiator is not the highest point of =
the system. I'm not sure what intake manifold you are running, but you =
should have a line that runs from just behind the thermostat housing (on =
top of the intake manifold), to the top of the expansion tank. This =
allows trapped air in the system to bleed out into the expansion tank. =
If you are running an Edelbrock Performer intake manifold, you will have =
to drill and tap a hole into the top of the manifold for a hose nipple. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_58749"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_59125"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hope this =
helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_58748"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468207101622_58722"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>-Jeff De =
Pol.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
n Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:51 PM, Spitfire Racing &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><div><div id=3Dyiv3547855755><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>Easiest way to confirm a water gauge is to immerse the sensor in =
boiling water which is a known temperature as a reference.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3Dyiv3547855755yqt95728><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'> Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Tobin<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 08, =
2016 9:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> MadMarx; 'FOT List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>I hate to ask Chris, but I've seen this before: are you sure your =
gauges are accurate? I saw this problem on a well known car a while =
back.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>Electrical or mechanical?</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>Could be worth checking.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>Good luck.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>Bill</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>----- Original Message ----- </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"[email-masked]">MadMarx</a> </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>To:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><span =
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From: "MadMarx" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:43:10 +0200

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Hi Ken,

=20

the opening of the nose is not very big.

The oil cooler sits on the top of the opening and leaves half the space =
for the water radiator. I have opened little slots to create more air.

Some of the air is going under the car some is coming out between bonnet =
and windshield.

They had removed a lot of metal to make a big side to side slot to vent =
the engine.

My guess is that air should be enough.

Assuming that air is enough, radiator is sufficient, then it should be =
something else that disturbs.

Maybe water flow, pump speed=E2=80=A6.I=E2=80=99ll test.

=20

Thanks

Chris

=20

Von: Kenneth Knight [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juli 2016 16:04
An: 'MadMarx'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

Chris:

=20

That should be a big enough radiator but here are some thoughts.  I =
think the oil cooler may be blocking or disturbing the flow, is it =
possible to relocate it to the side or lower?  The advice that I got =
from Griffin Radiator (they made my radiator) was to use a puller fan as =
it blocks less flow, so if you can I would move the fan to the back if =
there is room.  The NASCAR guys build their oil coolers into the =
radiator and that is what I did, it is in the drivers side tank.  It =
makes for better air flow and on cool to cold days it warms the oil much =
quicker.

=20

One thing I can=E2=80=99t tell is where all the flow under the hood =
exits?  Is it going out under the car or are there cutouts in the hood, =
possible side vents?  This is something to consider, as the speed you =
can make likely means a ton of air going into the engine bay, it has to =
exit somewhere.  You could have a situation where there is no air flow =
through the radiator at high speed.

=20

Hope this helps.  Cool car, good luck and keep me posted.

=20

Ken

=20

From: MadMarx [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:06 PM
To: 'Kenneth Knight'
Subject: AW: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

Hi Keneth,

=20

have a look on the duct:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z0W4O-MpNH0/Vy-3uD5JiCI/AAAAAAAACi0/21=
5N-sXHAyUAs7WlpHU_Ck8V2SX8v7ecgCCo/s800/P1010398Large.jpg

=20

Sheet metal is forcing the air through the radiator. The oil radiator is =
a little bigger now.

The oil gets up to 280F which it had at RA also.

So it haven=E2=80=99t changed to the past when the car was used in =
Canada but I still think it is too hot.

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

Von: Kenneth Knight [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 16:14
An: 'MadMarx'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

Chris:

=20

Has it always run hot?  If not you may have a pressure leak somewhere.  =
My alum radiator (50x50cm x 8cm) developed a very small leak but it =
would only happen when the thing got up to temp.  It was very hard to =
find.  You might also try changing caps.  If it is not in the cooling =
system I would look at the ducting and airflow out from engine =
compartment.  It could be a simple situation of to much air getting in =
and not enough getting out at high speed to maintain flow.

=20

That said, 212 f does not seem excessive as long it is not boiling over. =
 How does your oil pressure and oil tempartures look when this happens.

=20

Goog luck, Ken

=20

From: MadMarx [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:21 AM
To: 'FOT List'
Subject: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

Hi guys,

=20

=20

Cheers

Chris

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi Ken,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>the opening of the nose is not very big.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The oil cooler sits on the top of the opening and leaves half the =
space for the water radiator. I have opened little slots to create more =
air.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Some of the air is going under the car some is coming out between =
bonnet and windshield.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>They had removed a lot of metal to make a big side to side slot to =
vent the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My guess is that air should be enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Assuming that air is enough, radiator is sufficient, then it should =
be something else that disturbs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Maybe water flow, pump speed=E2=80=A6.I=E2=80=99ll =
test.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Kenneth Knight [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> =
Dienstag, 12. Juli 2016 16:04<br><b>An:</b> 'MadMarx'<br><b>Betreff:</b> =
RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>That should be a big enough radiator but here are some =
thoughts.&nbsp; I think the oil cooler may be blocking or disturbing the =
flow, is it possible to relocate it to the side or lower?&nbsp; The =
advice that I got from Griffin Radiator (they made my radiator) was to =
use a puller fan as it blocks less flow, so if you can I would move the =
fan to the back if there is room.&nbsp; The NASCAR guys build their oil =
coolers into the radiator and that is what I did, it is in the drivers =
side tank.&nbsp; It makes for better air flow and on cool to cold days =
it warms the oil much quicker.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>One thing I can=E2=80=99t tell is where all the flow under the hood =
exits?&nbsp; Is it going out under the car or are there cutouts in the =
hood, possible side vents?&nbsp; This is something to consider, as the =
speed you can make likely means a ton of air going into the engine bay, =
it has to exit somewhere.&nbsp; You could have a situation where there =
is no air flow through the radiator at high =
speed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hope this helps.&nbsp; Cool car, good luck and keep me =
posted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> MadMarx =
[<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]<=
/a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 11, 2016 1:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Kenneth Knight'<br><b>Subject:</b> AW: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi Keneth,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>have a look on the duct:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><img border=3D0 width=3D800 height=3D600 id=3D"Bild_x0020_1" =
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]" =
alt=3D"https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z0W4O-MpNH0/Vy-3uD5JiCI/AAAAAAA=
ACi0/215N-sXHAyUAs7WlpHU_Ck8V2SX8v7ecgCCo/s800/P1010398Large.jpg"></span>=
<span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sheet metal is forcing the air through the radiator. The oil radiator =
is a little bigger now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The oil gets up to 280F which it had at RA =
also.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So it haven=E2=80=99t changed to the past when the car was used in =
Canada but I still think it is too hot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Kenneth Knight [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 11. Juli 2016 16:14<br><b>An:</b> =
'MadMarx'<br><b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Has it always run hot?&nbsp; If not you may have a pressure leak =
somewhere.&nbsp; My alum radiator (50x50cm x 8cm) developed a very small =
leak but it would only happen when the thing got up to temp.&nbsp; It =
was very hard to find.&nbsp; You might also try changing caps.&nbsp; If =
it is not in the cooling system I would look at the ducting and airflow =
out from engine compartment.&nbsp; It could be a simple situation of to =
much air getting in and not enough getting out at high speed to maintain =
flow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>That said, 212 f does not seem excessive as long it is not boiling =
over.&nbsp; How does your oil pressure and oil tempartures look when =
this happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Goog luck, Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> MadMarx =
[<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]<=
/a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
'FOT List'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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From: Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]>
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Chris,

I suspect air is going into, rather than out of, the vent at the base of =
the windshield since that is usually a high pressure area (NASCAR =
engineers began taking engine induction air from that location many =
years ago).  Tape a 4=E2=80=9D piece of string there to watch which =
direction the air flows.

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, Texas USA

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 12:43 PM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
> The oil cooler sits on the top of the opening and leaves half the =
air.
> Some of the air is going under the car some is coming out between =
bonnet and windshield.
> They had removed a lot of metal to make a big side to side slot to =
vent the engine.
> Von: Kenneth Knight [mailto:[email-masked] =
> From: MadMarx [mailto:[email-masked] =
> Sheet metal is forcing the air through the radiator. The oil radiator =
is a little bigger now.
> =20
> Cheers
> Chris
> =20
> Von: Kenneth Knight [mailto:[email-masked] =
> =20
> That said, 212 f does not seem excessive as long it is not boiling =
over.  How does your oil pressure and oil tempartures look when this =
happens.
> =20
> Goog luck, Ken
> =20
> From: MadMarx [mailto:[email-masked] =

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Chris,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
suspect air is going into, rather than out of, the vent at the base of =
the windshield since that is usually a high pressure area (NASCAR =
engineers began taking engine induction air from that location many =
years ago). &nbsp;Tape a 4=E2=80=9D piece of string there to watch which =
direction the air flows.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">Duncan Charlton</div><div class=3D"">Elgin, Texas =
USA</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">

</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 12, 2016, at 12:43 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi Ken,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">the opening of =
the nose is not very big.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">The oil cooler sits on the top of the opening and leaves half =
the space for the water radiator. I have opened little slots to create =
more air.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Some of the =
air is going under the car some is coming out between bonnet and =
windshield.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">They had =
removed a lot of metal to make a big side to side slot to vent the =
engine.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">My guess is =
that air should be enough.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Assuming that air is enough, radiator is sufficient, then it =
should be something else that disturbs.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Maybe water flow, pump =
speed=E2=80=A6.I=E2=80=99ll test.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Thanks<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Chris<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, =
223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Kenneth =
Knight [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Dienstag, 12. Juli 2016 =
16:04<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'MadMarx'<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Chris:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">That should be a big enough radiator but here are some =
thoughts.&nbsp; I think the oil cooler may be blocking or disturbing the =
flow, is it possible to relocate it to the side or lower?&nbsp; The =
advice that I got from Griffin Radiator (they made my radiator) was to =
use a puller fan as it blocks less flow, so if you can I would move the =
fan to the back if there is room.&nbsp; The NASCAR guys build their oil =
coolers into the radiator and that is what I did, it is in the drivers =
side tank.&nbsp; It makes for better air flow and on cool to cold days =
it warms the oil much quicker.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">One=
 thing I can=E2=80=99t tell is where all the flow under the hood =
exits?&nbsp; Is it going out under the car or are there cutouts in the =
hood, possible side vents?&nbsp; This is something to consider, as the =
speed you can make likely means a ton of air going into the engine bay, =
it has to exit somewhere.&nbsp; You could have a situation where there =
is no air flow through the radiator at high speed.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hope this =
helps.&nbsp; Cool car, good luck and keep me posted.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Ken<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, =
223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MadMarx [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Monday, July 11, 2016 1:06 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'Kenneth Knight'<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>AW: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi Keneth,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">have a look on =
the duct:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><span =
id=3D"cid:[email-masked]">&lt;image001.jpg&gt;</span></spa=
n><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Sheet metal is =
forcing the air through the radiator. The oil radiator is a little =
bigger now.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">The oil gets =
up to 280F which it had at RA also.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div=
 style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">So it haven=E2=80=99t changed to the past when the car was =
used in Canada but I still think it is too hot.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Cheers<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Chris<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, =
223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Kenneth =
Knight [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Montag, 11. Juli 2016 =
16:14<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'MadMarx'<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Chris:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Has=
 it always run hot?&nbsp; If not you may have a pressure leak =
somewhere.&nbsp; My alum radiator (50x50cm x 8cm) developed a very small =
leak but it would only happen when the thing got up to temp.&nbsp; It =
was very hard to find.&nbsp; You might also try changing caps.&nbsp; If =
it is not in the cooling system I would look at the ducting and airflow =
out from engine compartment.&nbsp; It could be a simple situation of to =
much air getting in and not enough getting out at high speed to maintain =
flow.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">That said, 212 =
f does not seem excessive as long it is not boiling over.&nbsp; How does =
your oil pressure and oil tempartures look when this happens.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Goog luck, =
Ken<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, =
223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MadMarx [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, July 07, 2016 =
10:21 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'FOT List'<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Hi guys,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">My =
TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.<br =
class=3D"">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Cheers<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Chris<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><span =
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From: Bill <[email-masked]>
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Building the oil cooler into the radiator is a great way to go except =
you have to change both if you have an engine failure that contaminates =
the oil. Absent this small issue, using hot water to warm cold oil is =
useful. My old Maserati Mistral has a ridiculously complicated water/oil =
heat exchanger to do just that. It has three thermostats=E2=80=94one =
that connects the heat exchanger to the engine outlet to warm the oil =
from the water (which gets hot first) and then to switch to the radiator =
outlet to cool the oil. If you=E2=80=99re going to have a radiator made, =
make it a two pass for the water section. No significant change in size =
(just a little thicker) and about 40-50% more temperature drop at the =
same flow rate.=20

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:43 AM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> =
bonnet and windshield.
vent the engine.
is a little bigger now.
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class=3D"">Building the oil cooler into the radiator is a great way to =
go except you have to change both if you have an engine failure that =
contaminates the oil. Absent this small issue, using hot water to warm =
cold oil is useful. My old Maserati Mistral has a ridiculously =
complicated water/oil heat exchanger to do just that. It has three =
thermostats=E2=80=94one that connects the heat exchanger to the engine =
outlet to warm the oil from the water (which gets hot first) and then to =
switch to the radiator outlet to cool the oil. If you=E2=80=99re going =
to have a radiator made, make it a two pass for the water section. No =
significant change in size (just a little thicker) and about 40-50% more =
temperature drop at the same flow rate.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
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I'm with Ken on this one.=20

~Steve

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:43 AM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Ken,
> =20
> The oil cooler sits on the top of the opening and leaves half the space fo=
r the water radiator. I have opened little slots to create more air.
> Some of the air is going under the car some is coming out between bonnet a=
nd windshield.
> They had removed a lot of metal to make a big side to side slot to vent th=
e engine.
> Assuming that air is enough, radiator is sufficient, then it should be som=
ething else that disturbs.
> That should be a big enough radiator but here are some thoughts.  I think t=
he oil cooler may be blocking or disturbing the flow, is it possible to relo=
cate it to the side or lower?  The advice that I got from Griffin Radiator (=
they made my radiator) was to use a puller fan as it blocks less flow, so if=
 you can I would move the fan to the back if there is room.  The NASCAR guys=
 build their oil coolers into the radiator and that is what I did, it is in t=
he drivers side tank.  It makes for better air flow and on cool to cold days=
 it warms the oil much quicker.
> =20
> One thing I can=E2=80=99t tell is where all the flow under the hood exits?=
  Is it going out under the car or are there cutouts in the hood, possible s=
ide vents?  This is something to consider, as the speed you can make likely m=
eans a ton of air going into the engine bay, it has to exit somewhere.  You c=
ould have a situation where there is no air flow through the radiator at hig=
h speed.
> Sheet metal is forcing the air through the radiator. The oil radiator is a=
 little bigger now.
> So it haven=E2=80=99t changed to the past when the car was used in Canada b=
ut I still think it is too hot.
> Has it always run hot?  If not you may have a pressure leak somewhere.  My=
 alum radiator (50x50cm x 8cm) developed a very small leak but it would only=
 happen when the thing got up to temp.  It was very hard to find.  You might=
 also try changing caps.  If it is not in the cooling system I would look at=
 the ducting and airflow out from engine compartment.  It could be a simple s=
ituation of to much air getting in and not enough getting out at high speed t=
o maintain flow.
> =20
> That said, 212 f does not seem excessive as long it is not boiling over.  H=
ow does your oil pressure and oil tempartures look when this happens.
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Ken,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">the opening of the nose=
 is not very big.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The oil cooler sits on the top of the opening and=
 leaves half the space for the water radiator. I have opened little slots to=
 create more air.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Some of the air is going under the car some is co=
ming out between bonnet and windshield.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ver=
dana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">They had removed a lot of m=
etal to make a big side to side slot to vent the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">My guess i=
s that air should be enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Assuming that air is enough, radiator i=
s sufficient, then it should be something else that disturbs.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Maybe=
 water flow, pump speed=E2=80=A6.I=E2=80=99ll test.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
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></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">=
Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1F497D">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D=
"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahom=
a&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Von:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Kenneth Knight [<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <br><b>G=
esendet:</b> Dienstag, 12. Juli 2016 16:04<br><b>An:</b> 'MadMarx'<br><b>Bet=
reff:</b> RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Chris:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calib=
ri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">That should b=
e a big enough radiator but here are some thoughts.&nbsp; I think the oil co=
oler may be blocking or disturbing the flow, is it possible to relocate it t=
o the side or lower?&nbsp; The advice that I got from Griffin Radiator (they=
 made my radiator) was to use a puller fan as it blocks less flow, so if you=
 can I would move the fan to the back if there is room.&nbsp; The NASCAR guy=
s build their oil coolers into the radiator and that is what I did, it is in=
 the drivers side tank.&nbsp; It makes for better air flow and on cool to co=
ld days it warms the oil much quicker.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">One thing I c=
an=E2=80=99t tell is where all the flow under the hood exits?&nbsp; Is it go=
ing out under the car or are there cutouts in the hood, possible side vents?=
&nbsp; This is something to consider, as the speed you can make likely means=
 a ton of air going into the engine bay, it has to exit somewhere.&nbsp; You=
 could have a situation where there is no air flow through the radiator at h=
igh speed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hope this helps.&nbsp; Cool car, good luck=
 and keep me posted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;paddi=
ng:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> MadMarx [<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@g=
ooglemail.com">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday,=
 July 11, 2016 1:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Kenneth Knight'<br><b>Subject:</b> AW:=
 [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Keneth,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">have a look on the duct:=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&lt;i=
mage001.jpg&gt;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:#1F497D">Sheet metal is forcing the air through the radiator. The oil rad=
iator is a little bigger now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The oil gets up to 280F which it had a=
t RA also.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1F497D">So it haven=E2=80=99t changed to the past when the car wa=
s used in Canada but I still think it is too hot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">C=
heers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;=
color:#1F497D">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"b=
order:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Von:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Kenneth Knight [<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <br><b>Gese=
ndet:</b> Montag, 11. Juli 2016 16:14<br><b>An:</b> 'MadMarx'<br><b>Betreff:=
</b> RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Chris:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Has it always run h=
ot?&nbsp; If not you may have a pressure leak somewhere.&nbsp; My alum radia=
tor (50x50cm x 8cm) developed a very small leak but it would only happen whe=
n the thing got up to temp.&nbsp; It was very hard to find.&nbsp; You might a=
lso try changing caps.&nbsp; If it is not in the cooling system I would look=
 at the ducting and airflow out from engine compartment.&nbsp; It could be a=
 simple situation of to much air getting in and not enough getting out at hi=
gh speed to maintain flow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">That said, 212 f does no=
t seem excessive as long it is not boiling over.&nbsp; How does your oil pre=
ssure and oil tempartures look when this happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">G=
oog luck, Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border=
:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;"> MadMarx [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:tr4racing=
@googlemail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:21 AM<br><b=
>To:</b> 'FOT List'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1F497D">Hi guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">My TR8 is running way to=
o hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high a=
lso. I have no idea to get them down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I s=
uppose that should be enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plat=
es with no change. Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference be=
tween radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. May=
be making the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than=
 crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Any ideas? 10 L=
iters are circulating.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1F497D">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1F497D">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></bloc=
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