Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

From: MadMarx <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:54:11 +0200

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Hi Mordy,

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there are two theories about cooling and water flow.

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1.      Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water time =
to cool. That means slowing down

2.      The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high =
coolant speed.

=20

In a way I prefer the 2nd way. And I=E2=80=99ll test this version in the =
coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors and see what happens.

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

Von: Mordy Dunst [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:45
An: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

Chris your the engineer....

Heat produced vs heat removed.  There will be a steady state at some =
point.  You would like it lower.   Don"t underestimate the headgasket =
component of channeling coolant flow.  In the TR4 motor i made the =
coolant holes different than original to allow the mass flow of water to =
occur from the rear of the motor forward.   I also put a pressure gauge =
on my coolant.  If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either.  I don"t know what the coolant  dwell time with in =
the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat generated.  Nor the =
dwell time in the radiator.  There certainly calcs for all this stuff. =20

=20

MDunst
Headgasket.com
626.628.3777 F
Triple R Munitions, Inc
626.201.9471 T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
[email-masked]>
[email-masked]>; 'MadMarx' < =
Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

I have a 160F thermostat installed.

Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it =
goes with that.

=20

Chris

=20

mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01
[email-masked]>
Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

My diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What =
coolant thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, =
perhaps it  is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 thermostat.

Marcel

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mailto:[email-masked]] Namens MadMarx
Verzonden: donderdag 7 juli 2016 19:21
Aan: 'FOT List'
Onderwerp: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

Hi guys,

=20

My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've =
experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing =
pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and =
outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump =
more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, =
currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.

=20

Cheers

Chris

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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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nguage:EN-US'>Hi Mordy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>there are two theories about cooling and water =
flow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water =
time to cool. That means slowing down<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, =
high coolant speed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>In a way I prefer the 2<sup>nd</sup> way. And I=E2=80=99ll =
test this version in the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the =
restrictors and see what happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Mordy Dunst [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, =
10. Juli 2016 22:45<br><b>An:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Chr=
is your the engineer....<br><br>Heat produced vs heat removed.&nbsp; =
There will be a steady state at some point.&nbsp; You would like it =
lower. &nbsp; Don&quot;t underestimate the headgasket component of =
channeling coolant flow.&nbsp; In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes =
different than original to allow the mass flow of water to occur from =
the rear of the motor forward.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also put a pressure gauge =
on my coolant.&nbsp; If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either.&nbsp; I don&quot;t know what the coolant&nbsp; dwell =
time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat =
generated.&nbsp; Nor the dwell time in the radiator.&nbsp; There =
certainly calcs for all this stuff.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>MDu=
nst<br>Headgasket.com<br>626.628.3777 F<br>Triple R Munitions, =
Inc<br>626.201.9471 T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT =
2<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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--Original Message-----<br>From: MadMarx &lt;</span><span =
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;<br>To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' &lt;</span><span =
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;<br>Cc: fot &lt;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&gt=
;<br>Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have a 160F thermostat =
installed.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'>Next test will be without any restrictions, =
maximum flow and see how it goes with that.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
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0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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on:</span></b><span =
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Marcel Van Mulders [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?"><u><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>mailto:[email-masked]</span></u></a>]=
 <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01<br><b>An:</b> =
'MadMarx' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><u><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></u></a>&gt;<br><b>Cc=
:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><u><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></u></a><br><b>Betreff:</b>=
 RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>My =
diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant =
thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps =
it&nbsp; is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 =
thermostat.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>Marc=
el</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
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n:</span></b><span lang=3DNL =
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Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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<b>Namens </b>MadMarx<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br><b>Aan:</b> 'FOT List'<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Hi guys,</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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>Cheers</span><span =
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The basic thermodynamic heat transfer equations work in an ideal way, =
but the world is never that simple. The fundamental heat transfer =
equation Q=3DSM(Tin-Tout) suggests that the more mass that gets pushed =
through the radiator, the more heat gets transferred, but we know that =
isn=E2=80=99t exactly true. Radiators and motors get coated in gunk, the =
heat transfer coefficient is therefore variable, the primitive headers =
don=E2=80=99t precisely distribute the water flow and tubes have more or =
less turbulence, get blocked. airflow isn=E2=80=99t constant. There are =
simulations available to size a radiator, but aside from running one, =
I=E2=80=99d say that it=E2=80=99s highly unlikely that a single pass =
radiator is going to adequately cool a V8 of more than modest =
displacement unless you become happy with a generally high operating =
temperature. Here=E2=80=99s why:=20

You can transfer a lot of heat with with a high mass flow rate and a =
radiator that doesn=E2=80=99t drop the outlet temperature very much, but =
this means the coolant flowing back into the block is close in =
temperature to the coolant flowing out. That means your operating =
temperature IN THE BLOCK will be higher, but won=E2=80=99t rise =
excessively with increased power output. The heat transfer rate to the =
air is adequate to remove the heat energy, but only operating at a =
higher general temperature.=20

A slower pump or restricted flow will lower the low-load operating =
temperature because the time the coolant remains in the radiator is =
longer. But overall heat transfer is lower, so full load temperature =
will rise more. That may be adequately compensated for with greater =
airflow at speed.=20

All of this is the reason street cars have thermostats with an operating =
range that suits the general design of the engine/radiator combination. =
Of course air temperature shifts this balance.=20

Your high idle temperature is typical of a radiator running with a =
higher outlet temperature because of high coolant flow rate. But don=E2=80=
=99t kill the engine chasing the wrong parameter. It=E2=80=99s full load =
you need to worry about. If the internal temperature of the block is too =
high for the system operating pressure you=E2=80=99ll get sheet boiling =
in the heat transfer surfaces of the engine (like the sleeves of our wet =
sleeve triumphs). This may not make the coolant boil generally, but it =
greatly reduces the heat transfer ability of the surfaces. One reason =
cylinder 4 of TR3=E2=80=99s is so delicate.=20

I=E2=80=99d use at least a two-pass radiator to get the radiator outlet =
temperature down a bit more. That will reduce engine temperature a bit =
and you=E2=80=99ll have a slightly higher overall heat transfer ability.=20=

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Mordy Dunst <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
dwell time in the radiator.  There certainly calcs for all this stuff. =20=

>=20
> MDunst
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>=20
>=20
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>=20
> From: MadMarx <[email-masked] =
> To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' <[email-masked] =
> Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how =
it goes with that.
> =20
> Chris
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> An: 'MadMarx' <[email-masked] =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">The basic thermodynamic heat transfer =
equations work in an ideal way, but the world is never that simple. The =
fundamental heat transfer equation Q=3DSM(Tin-Tout) suggests that the =
more mass that gets pushed through the radiator, the more heat gets =
transferred, but we know that isn=E2=80=99t exactly true. Radiators and =
motors get coated in gunk, the heat transfer coefficient is therefore =
variable, the primitive headers don=E2=80=99t precisely distribute the =
water flow and tubes have more or less turbulence, get blocked. airflow =
isn=E2=80=99t constant. There are simulations available to size a =
radiator, but aside from running one, I=E2=80=99d say that it=E2=80=99s =
highly unlikely that a single pass radiator is going to adequately cool =
a V8 of more than modest displacement unless you become happy with a =
generally high operating temperature. Here=E2=80=99s =
why:&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">You =
can transfer a lot of heat with with a high mass flow rate and a =
radiator that doesn=E2=80=99t drop the outlet temperature very much, but =
this means the coolant flowing back into the block is close in =
temperature to the coolant flowing out. That means your operating =
temperature IN THE BLOCK will be higher, but won=E2=80=99t rise =
excessively with increased power output. The heat transfer rate to the =
air is adequate to remove the heat energy, but only operating at a =
higher general temperature.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">A slower pump or restricted flow will =
lower the low-load operating temperature because the time the coolant =
remains in the radiator is longer. But overall heat transfer is lower, =
so full load temperature will rise more. That may be adequately =
compensated for with greater airflow at speed.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">All of this is the =
reason street cars have thermostats with an operating range that suits =
the general design of the engine/radiator combination. Of course air =
temperature shifts this balance.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Your high idle temperature is typical =
of a radiator running with a higher outlet temperature because of high =
coolant flow rate. But don=E2=80=99t kill the engine chasing the wrong =
parameter. It=E2=80=99s full load you need to worry about. If the =
internal temperature of the block is too high for the system operating =
pressure you=E2=80=99ll get sheet boiling in the heat transfer surfaces =
of the engine (like the sleeves of our wet sleeve triumphs). This may =
not make the coolant boil generally, but it greatly reduces the heat =
transfer ability of the surfaces. One reason cylinder 4 of TR3=E2=80=99s =
is so delicate.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99d use at least a two-pass radiator to get the =
radiator outlet temperature down a bit more. That will reduce engine =
temperature a bit and you=E2=80=99ll have a slightly higher overall heat =
transfer ability.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 10, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Mordy Dunst &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" class=3D"">Chris your the engineer....<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Heat produced vs heat removed.&nbsp; There will be a steady =
state at some point.&nbsp; You would like it lower. &nbsp; Don"t =
underestimate the headgasket component of channeling coolant flow.&nbsp; =
In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes different than original to =
allow the mass flow of water to occur from the rear of the motor =
forward.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also put a pressure gauge on my coolant.&nbsp; If =
the pressure is too low it will not cool as efficiently either.&nbsp; I =
don"t know what the coolant&nbsp; dwell time with in the head needs to =
be to in order to adsorb the heat generated.&nbsp; Nor the dwell time in =
the radiator.&nbsp; There certainly calcs for all this stuff.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"clear: both;" class=3D"">MDunst<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://headgasket.com/" class=3D"">Headgasket.com</a><font =
size=3D"2" class=3D""></font><br class=3D"">626.628.3777 F<br =
class=3D"">Triple R Munitions, Inc<br class=3D"">626.201.9471 T<br =
class=3D"">FFL 6,7 SOT 2<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: =
10pt;" class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: MadMarx =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">To: 'Marcel =
Van Mulders' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; 'MadMarx' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">Cc: fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">Sent: Sat, Jul 9, =
2016 8:21 pm<br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1" class=3D""><div=
 class=3D"aolReplacedBody" lang=3D"DE"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I have a 160F thermostat =
installed.</span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Next test will be without any restrictions, =
maximum flow and see how it goes with that.</span></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris</span></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></a></div><span =
class=3D""></span><div class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;"><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Marcel Van =
Mulders [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?" style=3D"color:=
 purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:01<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'MadMarx' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span></div></div></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
color: blue;" class=3D"">My diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0=
F when hot. What coolant thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady =
at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps it&nbsp; is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 =
thermostat.</span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
color: blue;" class=3D"">Marcel</span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><span lang=3D"NL" class=3D""><hr =
align=3D"center" size=3D"5" width=3D"100%" class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"NL" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Van:</span></b><span lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">Namens<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>MadMarx<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Verzonden:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Aan:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'FOT List'<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Onderwerp:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><span lang=3D"NL" class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi =
guys,</span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F =
at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high also. I have =
no idea to get them down.<br class=3D"">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. =
I suppose that should be enough. I've experiment with different =
restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed didn't help =
either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C =
(50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It was =
running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
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0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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From: Bill Babcock <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:41:18 -0700

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Well, you=E2=80=99ll need to get comfortable with a higher no-load =
temperature, because the radiator outlet temperature will be high.=20

Two factors to consider: Heat, which is the amount of energy =
transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat transfer only in =
terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means less mass flow =
and therefore less heat transfer but a higher differential temperature =
across the radiator, high speed means more heat transfer but less =
differential temperature across the radiator.=20

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Mordy,
> =20
> 2.      The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, =
high coolant speed.
> =20
> In a way I prefer the 2nd way. And I=E2=80=99ll test this version in =
the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors and see what =
happens.
> =20
> Cheers
> Chris
> =C2=A0 <>
> Von: Mordy Dunst [mailto:[email-masked] =

it goes with that.

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Well, you=E2=80=99ll need to get comfortable =
with a higher no-load temperature, because the radiator outlet =
temperature will be high.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Two factors to consider: Heat, which is =
the amount of energy transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat =
transfer only in terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means =
less mass flow and therefore less heat transfer but a higher =
differential temperature across the radiator, high speed means more heat =
transfer but less differential temperature across the =
radiator.&nbsp;</div><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi=
 Mordy,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">there are two =
theories about cooling and water flow.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">1.<span style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give =
the water time to cool. That means slowing down<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt =
36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">2.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no =
restriction, high coolant speed.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">In a way I prefer the 2<sup =
class=3D"">nd</sup><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>way.=
 And I=E2=80=99ll test this version in the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll =
remove the restrictors and see what happens.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Cheers<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></div><span class=3D""></span><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mordy =
Dunst [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 =
22:45<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris your the =
engineer....<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Heat produced vs heat =
removed.&nbsp; There will be a steady state at some point.&nbsp; You =
would like it lower. &nbsp; Don"t underestimate the headgasket component =
of channeling coolant flow.&nbsp; In the TR4 motor i made the coolant =
holes different than original to allow the mass flow of water to occur =
from the rear of the motor forward.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also put a pressure =
gauge on my coolant.&nbsp; If the pressure is too low it will not cool =
as efficiently either.&nbsp; I don"t know what the coolant&nbsp; dwell =
time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat =
generated.&nbsp; Nor the dwell time in the radiator.&nbsp; There =
certainly calcs for all this stuff.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">MDunst<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://headgasket.com/" class=3D"">Headgasket.com</a><br =
class=3D"">626.628.3777 F<br class=3D"">Triple R Munitions, Inc<br =
class=3D"">626.201.9471 T<br class=3D"">FFL 6,7 SOT 2<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
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style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
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class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><p =
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: MadMarx =
&lt;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' &lt;</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;; 'MadMarx' &lt;</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">Cc: fot &lt;</span><span style=3D"font-size:=
 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br =
class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1" class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I have a 160F thermostat installed.</span><span =
style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and =
see how it goes with that.</span><span style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Chris</span><span style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: =
3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Marcel Van Mulders [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: blue;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</span></u></a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:01<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'MadMarx' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D""><u class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: blue;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></u></a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D""><u class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: blue;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></u></a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><span style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: blue;" class=3D"">My diesel BMW runs always at =
100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant thermostat is in it? If the =
T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps it&nbsp; is intentionally done =
so with a 212=C2=B0 thermostat.</span><span style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: blue;" class=3D"">Marcel</span><span style=3D"" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
align=3D"center" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><span =
lang=3D"NL" style=3D"" class=3D""><hr size=3D"5" width=3D"100%" =
align=3D"center" class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin-bottom: =
12pt;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Van:</span></b><span lang=3D"NL" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" class=3D""><u=
 class=3D""><span style=3D"color: blue;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</span></u></a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">Namens<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>MadMarx<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Verzonden:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Aan:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'FOT List'<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Onderwerp:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><span style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi guys,</span><span style=3D"" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">My =
TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.<br =
class=3D"">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><span style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Cheers</span><span style=3D"" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Chris</span><span style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
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I think alot depends on where the system finds ist balance point.

If more flow removes heat quicker from the engine maybe the outlet =
temperature of the block is lower?

So the difference of the radiator outlet might not be so much of a =
problem?

The water stays shorter in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick up that much =
temperature?

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Interesting thing to test.

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 23:41
An: MadMarx
Cc: Mordy Dunst; [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

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Hi Mordy,

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Cheers

Chris

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MDunst
Headgasket.com <http://headgasket.com/>=20
626.628.3777 F
Triple R Munitions, Inc
626.201.9471 T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2

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Chris

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Von: Marcel Van Mulders [mailto:[email-masked] =
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01
An: 'MadMarx' <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

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Marcel

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Van: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens MadMarx
Verzonden: donderdag 7 juli 2016 19:21
Aan: 'FOT List'
Onderwerp: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

Hi guys,

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Cheers

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I think alot depends on where the system finds ist balance =
point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If more flow removes heat quicker from the engine maybe the outlet =
temperature of the block is lower?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So the difference of the radiator outlet might not be so much of a =
problem?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The water stays shorter in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick up that =
much temperature?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Interesting thing to test.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Bill Babcock [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, =
11. Juli 2016 23:41<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx<br><b>Cc:</b> Mordy Dunst; =
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: =
[Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Well, =
you=E2=80=99ll need to get comfortable with a higher no-load =
temperature, because the radiator outlet temperature will be =
high.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Two factors to consider: Heat, which is the amount of =
energy transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat transfer only =
in terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means less mass =
flow and therefore less heat transfer but a higher differential =
temperature across the radiator, high speed means more heat transfer but =
less differential temperature across the =
radiator.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi =
Mordy,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>there are =
two theories about cooling and water =
flow.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Slow speed =
of the water in the radiator to give the water time to cool. That means =
slowing down</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The other =
theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high coolant =
speed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In a way I =
prefer the 2<sup>nd</sup><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>way. And I=E2=80=99ll test =
this version in the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors =
and see what happens.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mordy =
Dunst [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<spa=
n class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 =
22:45<br><b>An:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>;<sp=
an class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.=
be</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Betreff:<=
/b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chris your =
the engineer....<br><br>Heat produced vs heat removed.&nbsp; There will =
be a steady state at some point.&nbsp; You would like it lower. &nbsp; =
Don&quot;t underestimate the headgasket component of channeling coolant =
flow.&nbsp; In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes different than =
original to allow the mass flow of water to occur from the rear of the =
motor forward.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also put a pressure gauge on my =
coolant.&nbsp; If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either.&nbsp; I don&quot;t know what the coolant&nbsp; dwell =
time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat =
generated.&nbsp; Nor the dwell time in the radiator.&nbsp; There =
certainly calcs for all this stuff.&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MDunst<br><a =
href=3D"http://headgasket.com/">Headgasket.com</a><br>626.628.3777 =
F<br>Triple R Munitions, Inc<br>626.201.9471 T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT =
2<br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original=
 Message-----<br>From: MadMarx &lt;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&gt;<br>To: =
'Marcel Van Mulders' &lt;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span=
><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&gt;; =
'MadMarx' &lt;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&gt;<br>Cc: =
fot &lt;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&gt;<br>Sent:=
 Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1"><div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have a =
160F thermostat installed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Next test =
will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it goes with =
that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marcel Van =
Mulders [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?">mailto:van.mulders.marcel@=
telenet.be</a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:01<br><b>An:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>'MadMarx' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Betreff:<=
/b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>My=
 diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant =
thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps =
it&nbsp; is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 =
thermostat.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Ma=
rcel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
lang=3DNL><hr size=3D5 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span><=
/b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
></span><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><b>Namens<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></b>MadMarx<br><b>Verzonden:</=
b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br><b>Aan:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>'FOT =
List'<br><b>Onderwerp:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>[Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
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Yes, outlet temperature of the block is lower, outlet temperature of the =
radiator is higher. Delta-T across the radiator is lower. Think of it =
this way, Q (heat transfer) is stable at some operating point. The =
excess heat from the engine is equal to the heat removed from the =
radiator. Ignore the heat transfer coefficient for the moment.=20
So Q for radiator =3D mass x (Tin-Tout) and Q for engine is mass x =
(Tout-Tin). Q and M is the same for both engine and radiator and Tin of  =
=3D Tout of engine, likewise Tout of radiator =3D Tin of engine.

Obvious, right. So hold everything stable and increase flow rate. =
Obviously Tin-Tout must decrease as does Tout-Tin. The operating =
temperature will depend solely on the temperature drop across the =
radiator. If you and a lower operating temp at that Q you need a lower =
Tout of the radiator.=20

If you increase engine load and RPM, the mass flow rate increases with =
RPM, but not linearly since it=E2=80=99s a centrifugal pump. Slip gets =
worse with RPM. The high flow rate system has a lower delta-t across the =
engine, but also has a lower delta-t across the radiator. Temperature =
will likely climb higher than with a lower flow rate system (depending =
on where you measure it, but heat transfer rate is lower, so you might =
reach a point where it=E2=80=99s inadequate to meet the engine demand. =
then Tout climbs quickly and shit happens.=20

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
problem?
> The water stays shorter in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick up that =
much temperature?
> Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:[email-masked] =
> Cc: Mordy Dunst; [email-masked] =
> =20
>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx <[email-masked] =
>> =20
>> Hi Mordy,
>> =20
>> 1.      Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water =
time to cool. That means slowing down
high coolant speed.

it goes with that.
>> My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
>> Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. =
I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Yes, outlet temperature of the block is lower, outlet =
temperature of the radiator is higher. Delta-T across the radiator is =
lower. Think of it this way, Q (heat transfer) is stable at some =
operating point. The excess heat from the engine is equal to the heat =
removed from the radiator. Ignore the heat transfer coefficient for the =
moment.&nbsp;<div class=3D"">So Q for radiator =3D mass x (Tin-Tout) and =
Q for engine is mass x (Tout-Tin). Q and M is the same for both engine =
and radiator and Tin of &nbsp;=3D Tout of engine, likewise Tout of =
radiator =3D Tin of engine.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 class=3D"">Obvious, right. So hold everything stable and increase flow =
rate. Obviously Tin-Tout must decrease as does Tout-Tin. The operating =
temperature will depend solely on the temperature drop across the =
radiator. If you and a lower operating temp at that Q you need a lower =
Tout of the radiator.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 class=3D"">If you increase engine load and RPM, the mass flow rate =
increases with RPM, but not linearly since it=E2=80=99s a centrifugal =
pump. Slip gets worse with RPM. The high flow rate system has a lower =
delta-t across the engine, but also has a lower delta-t across the =
radiator. Temperature will likely climb higher than with a lower flow =
rate system (depending on where you measure it, but heat transfer rate =
is lower, so you might reach a point where it=E2=80=99s inadequate to =
meet the engine demand. then Tout climbs quickly and shit =
happens.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">I think alot depends on where the system =
finds ist balance point.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">If more flow removes heat quicker from the engine maybe the =
outlet temperature of the block is lower?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">So the difference of =
the radiator outlet might not be so much of a problem?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">The water stays shorter =
in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick up that much temperature?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Interesting =
thing to test.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Cheers<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Chris<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, =
223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Bill =
Babcock [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Montag, 11. Juli 2016 =
23:41<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MadMarx<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mordy=
 Dunst;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Well, you=E2=80=99ll =
need to get comfortable with a higher no-load temperature, because the =
radiator outlet temperature will be high.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Two factors to consider: Heat, which is =
the amount of energy transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat =
transfer only in terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means =
less mass flow and therefore less heat transfer but a higher =
differential temperature across the radiator, high speed means more heat =
transfer but less differential temperature across the =
radiator.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi=
 Mordy,</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">there are two theories about cooling =
and water flow.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-left: 36pt;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">1.</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 7pt;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water =
time to cool. That means slowing down</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-left: 36pt;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">2.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 7pt;" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, =
high coolant speed.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">In=
 a way I prefer the 2<sup class=3D"">nd</sup><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>way. And I=E2=80=99ll test =
this version in the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors =
and see what happens.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Cheers</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Chris</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Mordy Dunst [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 =
22:45<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>;<span=
 class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris your the =
engineer....<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Heat produced vs heat =
removed.&nbsp; There will be a steady state at some point.&nbsp; You =
would like it lower. &nbsp; Don"t underestimate the headgasket component =
of channeling coolant flow.&nbsp; In the TR4 motor i made the coolant =
holes different than original to allow the mass flow of water to occur =
from the rear of the motor forward.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also put a pressure =
gauge on my coolant.&nbsp; If the pressure is too low it will not cool =
as efficiently either.&nbsp; I don"t know what the coolant&nbsp; dwell =
time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat =
generated.&nbsp; Nor the dwell time in the radiator.&nbsp; There =
certainly calcs for all this stuff.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">MDunst<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://headgasket.com/" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">Headgasket.com</a><br class=3D"">626.628.3777 =
F<br class=3D"">Triple R Munitions, Inc<br class=3D"">626.201.9471 T<br =
class=3D"">FFL 6,7 SOT 2<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
MadMarx &lt;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' &lt;</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;; 'MadMarx' &lt;</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">Cc: fot &lt;</span><span style=3D"font-size:=
 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br =
class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1" class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I have a 160F thermostat =
installed.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Next test will be without any restrictions, =
maximum flow and see how it goes with that.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, =
225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Marcel Van Mulders [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:01<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'MadMarx' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><div=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" =
class=3D"">My diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. =
What coolant thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, =
perhaps it&nbsp; is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 =
thermostat.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" =
class=3D"">Marcel</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: =
center;"><span lang=3D"NL" class=3D""><hr size=3D"5" width=3D"100%" =
align=3D"center" class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin-bottom: =
12pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Van:</span></b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">Namens<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>MadMarx<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Verzonden:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Aan:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'FOT List'<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Onderwerp:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Hi guys,</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at =
idle the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br class=3D"">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that =
should be enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with =
no change. Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference =
between radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would =
say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 =
slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Cheers</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Chris</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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Chris,

I never had any success with a =E2=80=98free flow=E2=80=99 system and =
moving water through the heat exchanger/radiator faster. I found that it =
just became uncontrollable and temperature went higher. I played around =
quite a bit with electric pumps etc. Put them in the bin. Just stuck =
with the STD water pump and thermostat etc. All good.

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Be interesting to see what your results yield.

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Cheers=E2=80=A6

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 7:54 AM
To: 'Mordy Dunst'; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature

=20

Hi Mordy,

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Cheers

Chris

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MDunst
Headgasket.com
626.628.3777 F
Triple R Munitions, Inc
626.201.9471 T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2

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Chris

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Marcel

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vlink=3Dblack><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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6'>Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'>I never had any success with a =E2=80=98free flow=E2=80=99 system and =
moving water through the heat exchanger/radiator faster. I found that it =
just became uncontrollable and temperature went higher. I played around =
quite a bit with electric pumps etc. Put them in the bin. Just stuck =
with the STD water pump and thermostat etc. All =
good.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'>Be interesting to see what your results =
yield.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'>Cheers=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>MadMarx<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 11 July 2016 7:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Mordy Dunst'; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi =
Mordy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>there are =
two theories about cooling and water flow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.</span><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Slow speed =
of the water in the radiator to give the water time to cool. That means =
slowing down<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.</span><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The other =
theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high coolant =
speed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In a way I =
prefer the 2<sup>nd</sup> way. And I=E2=80=99ll test this version in the =
coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors and see what =
happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></a></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mordy =
Dunst [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:45<br><b>An:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.=
be</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Betreff:<=
/b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
lang=3DDE><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>C=
hris your the engineer....<br><br>Heat produced vs heat removed.&nbsp; =
There will be a steady state at some point.&nbsp; You would like it =
lower. &nbsp; Don&quot;t underestimate the headgasket component of =
channeling coolant flow.&nbsp; In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes =
different than original to allow the mass flow of water to occur from =
the rear of the motor forward.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also put a pressure gauge =
on my coolant.&nbsp; If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either.&nbsp; I don&quot;t know what the coolant&nbsp; dwell =
time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat =
generated.&nbsp; Nor the dwell time in the radiator.&nbsp; There =
certainly calcs for all this stuff.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>M=
Dunst<br>Headgasket.com<br>626.628.3777 F<br>Triple R Munitions, =
Inc<br>626.201.9471 T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT =
2<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: MadMarx &lt;</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span><spa=
n =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;<br>To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' &lt;</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span=
><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;; 'MadMarx' &lt;</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span><spa=
n =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;<br>Cc: fot &lt;</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;<br>Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>I have a 160F thermostat installed.</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it =
goes with that.</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Chris</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span =
lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Von:</span></b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
> Marcel Van Mulders [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>mailto:[email-masked]</span></a>] =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01<br><b>An:</b> 'MadMarx' =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
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RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>My=
 diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant =
thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps =
it&nbsp; is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 =
thermostat.</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Ma=
rcel</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
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Van:</span></b><span lang=3DNL =
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<b>Namens </b>MadMarx<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br><b>Aan:</b> 'FOT List'<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi guys,</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
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I like your idea.

If the radiator maintains the 50F drop with higher flow, then the engine =
temperature could drop, right?

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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I like your idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If the radiator maintains the 50F drop with higher flow, then the =
engine temperature could drop, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Bill Babcock [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, =
12. Juli 2016 00:23<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx<br><b>Cc:</b> Mordy Dunst; =
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: =
[Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, outlet =
temperature of the block is lower, outlet temperature of the radiator is =
higher. Delta-T across the radiator is lower. Think of it this way, Q =
(heat transfer) is stable at some operating point. The excess heat from =
the engine is equal to the heat removed from the radiator. Ignore the =
heat transfer coefficient for the moment.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So Q for radiator =3D mass x (Tin-Tout) and Q for =
engine is mass x (Tout-Tin). Q and M is the same for both engine and =
radiator and Tin of &nbsp;=3D Tout of engine, likewise Tout of radiator =
=3D Tin of engine.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Obvious, right. So hold everything stable and increase =
flow rate. Obviously Tin-Tout must decrease as does Tout-Tin. The =
operating temperature will depend solely on the temperature drop across =
the radiator. If you and a lower operating temp at that Q you need a =
lower Tout of the radiator.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you increase engine load and RPM, the mass flow =
rate increases with RPM, but not linearly since it=E2=80=99s a =
centrifugal pump. Slip gets worse with RPM. The high flow rate system =
has a lower delta-t across the engine, but also has a lower delta-t =
across the radiator. Temperature will likely climb higher than with a =
lower flow rate system (depending on where you measure it, but heat =
transfer rate is lower, so you might reach a point where it=E2=80=99s =
inadequate to meet the engine demand. then Tout climbs quickly and shit =
happens.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I think alot depends on where the system finds ist balance =
point.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If more flow removes heat quicker from the engine maybe the outlet =
temperature of the block is lower?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So the difference of the radiator outlet might not be so much of a =
problem?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The water stays shorter in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick up that =
much temperature?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Interesting thing to test.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Bill =
Babcock [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:[email-masked]</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Montag, 11. Juli 2016 =
23:41<br><b>An:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>MadMarx<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Mordy Dunst;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a>;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><s=
pan class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Well, you=E2=80=99ll need to get comfortable with a =
higher no-load temperature, because the radiator outlet temperature will =
be high.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Two factors to consider: Heat, which is the amount of =
energy transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat transfer only =
in terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means less mass =
flow and therefore less heat transfer but a higher differential =
temperature across the radiator, high speed means more heat transfer but =
less differential temperature across the =
radiator.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi =
Mordy,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>there are =
two theories about cooling and water =
flow.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Slow speed =
of the water in the radiator to give the water time to cool. That means =
slowing down</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The other =
theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high coolant =
speed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In a way I =
prefer the 2<sup>nd</sup><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>way. And I=E2=80=99ll test =
this version in the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors =
and see what happens.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mordy =
Dunst [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:[email-masked]</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 =
22:45<br><b>An:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a>;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a><br><b>Cc:=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><s=
pan class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chris your =
the engineer....<br><br>Heat produced vs heat removed.&nbsp; There will =
be a steady state at some point.&nbsp; You would like it lower. &nbsp; =
Don&quot;t underestimate the headgasket component of channeling coolant =
flow.&nbsp; In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes different than =
original to allow the mass flow of water to occur from the rear of the =
motor forward.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also put a pressure gauge on my =
coolant.&nbsp; If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either.&nbsp; I don&quot;t know what the coolant&nbsp; dwell =
time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat =
generated.&nbsp; Nor the dwell time in the radiator.&nbsp; There =
certainly calcs for all this stuff.&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MDunst<br><a =
href=3D"http://headgasket.com/"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>Headgasket.com</span></a><br>626.628.3777 =
F<br>Triple R Munitions, Inc<br>626.201.9471 T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT =
2<br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original=
 Message-----<br>From: MadMarx &lt;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&gt;<br>To: =
'Marcel Van Mulders' &lt;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>[email-masked]</span></a></span=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have a =
160F thermostat =
installed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Next test =
will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it goes with =
that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marcel Van =
Mulders [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:[email-masked]</span></a>]<s=
pan class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:01<br><b>An:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>'MadMarx' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:<=
/b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><s=
pan class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div>=
<div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>My=
 diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant =
thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps =
it&nbsp; is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 =
thermostat.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Ma=
rcel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
lang=3DNL><hr size=3D5 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span><=
/b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:[email-masked]</span></a>]<span=
 class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><b>Namens<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></b>MadMarx<br><b>Verzonden:</=
b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br><b>Aan:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>'FOT =
List'<br><b>Onderwerp:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>[Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
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Pusher fan is a BIG mistake. You=E2=80=99d be better with no fan, but if =
you want one, then for sure make it a puller. At speed the fan does next =
to nothing. Having it impede airflow creates big inefficiencies in the =
radiator. Your oil cooler is a mini issue by comparison, but if you =
could fit it behind also, it would work adequately. I made the same =
mistake with Peyote=E2=80=94thought a pusher fan was no different than =
puller. Had some big overheating problems and just pulled the fan off. I =
run with no fan now=E2=80=94no problem.=20

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:47 AM, MadMarx <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> I like your idea.
> If the radiator maintains the 50F drop with higher flow, then the =
engine temperature could drop, right?
> Yes, outlet temperature of the block is lower, outlet temperature of =
the radiator is higher. Delta-T across the radiator is lower. Think of =
it this way, Q (heat transfer) is stable at some operating point. The =
excess heat from the engine is equal to the heat removed from the =
radiator. Ignore the heat transfer coefficient for the moment.=20
> =20
> =20
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx <[email-masked] =
>> =20
problem?
much temperature?
high coolant speed.

it goes with that.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Pusher fan is a BIG mistake. You=E2=80=99d be better with no =
fan, but if you want one, then for sure make it a puller. At speed the =
fan does next to nothing. Having it impede airflow creates big =
inefficiencies in the radiator. Your oil cooler is a mini issue by =
comparison, but if you could fit it behind also, it would work =
adequately. I made the same mistake with Peyote=E2=80=94thought a pusher =
fan was no different than puller. Had some big overheating problems and =
just pulled the fan off. I run with no fan now=E2=80=94no =
problem.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:47 AM, =
MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">I like your idea.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">If the radiator =
maintains the 50F drop with higher flow, then the engine temperature =
could drop, right?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin:=
 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Cheers<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Chris<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, =
223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Bill =
Babcock [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Dienstag, 12. Juli 2016 =
00:23<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MadMarx<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mordy=
 Dunst; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Yes, outlet temperature of the block is =
lower, outlet temperature of the radiator is higher. Delta-T across the =
radiator is lower. Think of it this way, Q (heat transfer) is stable at =
some operating point. The excess heat from the engine is equal to the =
heat removed from the radiator. Ignore the heat transfer coefficient for =
the moment.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">So Q for radiator =3D mass x (Tin-Tout) =
and Q for engine is mass x (Tout-Tin). Q and M is the same for both =
engine and radiator and Tin of &nbsp;=3D Tout of engine, likewise Tout =
of radiator =3D Tin of engine.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">Obvious, right. So hold everything stable and =
increase flow rate. Obviously Tin-Tout must decrease as does Tout-Tin. =
The operating temperature will depend solely on the temperature drop =
across the radiator. If you and a lower operating temp at that Q you =
need a lower Tout of the radiator.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">If you increase engine load and RPM, the =
mass flow rate increases with RPM, but not linearly since it=E2=80=99s a =
centrifugal pump. Slip gets worse with RPM. The high flow rate system =
has a lower delta-t across the engine, but also has a lower delta-t =
across the radiator. Temperature will likely climb higher than with a =
lower flow rate system (depending on where you measure it, but heat =
transfer rate is lower, so you might reach a point where it=E2=80=99s =
inadequate to meet the engine demand. then Tout climbs quickly and shit =
happens.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">I think alot depends on where the system =
finds ist balance point.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">If more flow removes heat quicker from the =
engine maybe the outlet temperature of the block is lower?</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">So the =
difference of the radiator outlet might not be so much of a =
problem?</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">The water stays shorter in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick =
up that much temperature?</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Interesting =
thing to test.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Cheers</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Chris</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: =
3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Bill Babcock [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</span></a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Montag, 11. Juli 2016 =
23:41<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MadMarx<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mordy=
 Dunst;<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a>;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Well, you=E2=80=99ll need to get =
comfortable with a higher no-load temperature, because the radiator =
outlet temperature will be high.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Two factors to consider: Heat, which is =
the amount of energy transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat =
transfer only in terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means =
less mass flow and therefore less heat transfer but a higher =
differential temperature across the radiator, high speed means more heat =
transfer but less differential temperature across the =
radiator.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" =
type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi Mordy,</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">there are two =
theories about cooling and water flow.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin-left: 36pt;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: =
-18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">1.</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 7pt;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water =
time to cool. That means slowing down</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin-left: 36pt;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: =
-18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">2.</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 7pt;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, =
high coolant speed.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">In a way I prefer =
the 2<sup class=3D"">nd</sup><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>way. And I=E2=80=99ll test =
this version in the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors =
and see what happens.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Cheers</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Mordy Dunst [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</span></a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 =
22:45<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a>;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris your the engineer....<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Heat produced vs heat removed.&nbsp; There will be a steady =
state at some point.&nbsp; You would like it lower. &nbsp; Don"t =
underestimate the headgasket component of channeling coolant flow.&nbsp; =
In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes different than original to =
allow the mass flow of water to occur from the rear of the motor =
forward.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also put a pressure gauge on my coolant.&nbsp; If =
the pressure is too low it will not cool as efficiently either.&nbsp; I =
don"t know what the coolant&nbsp; dwell time with in the head needs to =
be to in order to adsorb the heat generated.&nbsp; Nor the dwell time in =
the radiator.&nbsp; There certainly calcs for all this stuff.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
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style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: MadMarx =
&lt;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' &lt;</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;; 'MadMarx' &lt;</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">Cc: fot &lt;</span><span style=3D"font-size:=
 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color: windowtext;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br =
class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1" class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I have a 160F =
thermostat installed.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Next test will be without any restrictions, =
maximum flow and see how it goes with that.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, =
225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
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0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Marcel Van Mulders [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</span></a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:01<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'MadMarx' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</span></a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: blue;" class=3D"">My diesel BMW runs always at =
100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant thermostat is in it? If the =
T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps it&nbsp; is intentionally done =
so with a 212=C2=B0 thermostat.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" =
class=3D"">Marcel</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: =
center;"><span lang=3D"NL" class=3D""><hr size=3D"5" width=3D"100%" =
align=3D"center" class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin-bottom: =
12pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Van:</span></b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: purple;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</span></a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">Namens<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>MadMarx<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Verzonden:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Aan:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'FOT List'<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Onderwerp:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi guys,</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">My TR8 is running way =
too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that =
high also. I have no idea to get them down.<br class=3D"">Radiator core =
is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've experiment with =
different restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed didn't =
help either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C =
(50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It was =
running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Cheers</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
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class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
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