Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA & belts and HANS

From: Mike Jackson <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 14:50:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

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ad><body><div style=3D"font-size: 16px;color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family: ari=
al, sans-serif;">I dont understand SVRA's actions on belts and HANS. &nbsp;=
SCCA changed from the 2 year rule on belts to 5 years after sufficient proo=
f that the webbing wasnt setting outside in the elements 24/7, which was th=
e excuse manufacturers used for pushing the 2 year rule. &nbsp;Havent been =
to an SVRA event in over a decade but will be going to Mid-O next month wit=
h my FV.<div><br></div><div>As for HANS, even SCCA has not yet required re-=
certification. &nbsp;But, they may since there is a strap that is essential=
ly a smaller version of a seat belt and if 5 years is good....so be it. &nb=
sp;I got mine re-cert for the Mid-O trip. &nbsp;Cost a lot more than $65 in=
cluding shipping two ways and I think the fee was more like $75 or so.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Tires? &nbsp;Lucky me, just bought a set of Speedsters=
 and planning on getting a driving lesson from Snook but at the J500 the fl=
ywheel unbolted itself and in the process caused the trans case to actually=
 get sheared in half at about the fill plug. &nbsp;Presumably due to the to=
rque shock since it gave up the flywheel at WOT in 4th gear. &nbsp;Guess wh=
o last had a chance to incorrectly torque said flywheel? &nbsp;Yep me. &nbs=
p;Those unused speedsters may end up for sale.</div><div><br></div><div>Mik=
e<br><br><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px; border-l=
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>-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Jeff Snook <[email-masked]>
<br>Sent: May 28, 2016 11:48 AM
<br>To: Friends of Triumph <[email-masked]>
<br>Subject: [Fot] SVRA &amp; Tires

<br><br><zzzhtml><zzzhead><zzzmeta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"t=
ext/html charset=3Dutf-8"></zzzmeta></zzzhead><zzzbody style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space=
;" class=3D"">Hey all, after reading the recent tire posts I went to the SV=
RA website, and sure enough, a revised tire regs, dated 4/16 limits the tir=
es. &nbsp;Since I just stopped using the bias ply Hoosier Vintage TDs last =
year (after 19 years!), I=E2=80=99m hardly one to comment on the more moder=
n radials. &nbsp;I went with the Speedster 185/65-15 for mainly fit and app=
earance reasons. &nbsp;Got to say I love them, but it takes a different dri=
ving style that I am still getting used to after 19 years of tossing the ol=
d TR3 around on bias ply tires. &nbsp;I am concerned however about the extr=
a stresses and strains these stickier radials are putting on the chassis. &=
nbsp;What is the next thing that is going to break?! &nbsp;How about we all=
 agree to race on bias ply Dunlops? &nbsp;That way we would all be on the s=
ame playing field, and those Dunlops last forever!&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">At SVRA Sebring this past March, I had to=
 have my HANS re-strapped, and re-certified for $65. &nbsp;Vendor right nex=
t to tech! &nbsp;My SFI rated belts were fairly new so I escaped buying new=
 ones. &nbsp;I just purchased some new belts for my Lotus and went with the=
 FIA that had the 5 year expiration. &nbsp;Cost another $100 from Simpson, =
but worth it if the SFIs are only good for 2 years! &nbsp;Also checked the =
fire system bottle in the Lotus. &nbsp;It was 20+ years old and filled with=
 Halon. &nbsp;Pegasus had an interchangeable bottle with the new stuff, so =
I ordered one. &nbsp;Surprised when it arrived with only a 2 year certifica=
tion, needs to be re-certified every 2 years!!</div><div class=3D""><br cla=
ss=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Ya know, Vintage Racing just isn=E2=80=99t wh=
at it was a number of years ago. &nbsp;Thank goodness for the =E2=80=9Cclub=
s=E2=80=9D VRG, VSCDA, VDCA, etc. &nbsp;But, it is still fun and I enjoy th=
e "competition and camaraderie!"</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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Been there, done that Mike. I dropped what was left of my trans and =
bellhousing onto the front straight at Pacific Raceways just before the =
turn=E2=80=94maxed out in top gear. Probably wasn=E2=80=99t a failure to =
properly torque the studs. I think the studs just don=E2=80=99t like =
that sustained vibration at 6800 RPM. The flywheel had four ARP studs =
and two dowels. I=E2=80=99ve gone to eight ARP studs.=20

> On May 28, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Mike Jackson <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> I dont understand SVRA's actions on belts and HANS.  SCCA changed from =
the 2 year rule on belts to 5 years after sufficient proof that the =
webbing wasnt setting outside in the elements 24/7, which was the excuse =
manufacturers used for pushing the 2 year rule.  Havent been to an SVRA =
event in over a decade but will be going to Mid-O next month with my FV.
>=20
> As for HANS, even SCCA has not yet required re-certification.  But, =
they may since there is a strap that is essentially a smaller version of =
a seat belt and if 5 years is good....so be it.  I got mine re-cert for =
the Mid-O trip.  Cost a lot more than $65 including shipping two ways =
and I think the fee was more like $75 or so.
>=20
> Tires?  Lucky me, just bought a set of Speedsters and planning on =
getting a driving lesson from Snook but at the J500 the flywheel =
unbolted itself and in the process caused the trans case to actually get =
sheared in half at about the fill plug.  Presumably due to the torque =
shock since it gave up the flywheel at WOT in 4th gear.  Guess who last =
had a chance to incorrectly torque said flywheel?  Yep me.  Those unused =
speedsters may end up for sale.
>=20
> Mike
>=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Jeff Snook=20
> Sent: May 28, 2016 11:48 AM=20
> To: Friends of Triumph=20
> Subject: [Fot] SVRA & Tires=20
>=20
> Hey all, after reading the recent tire posts I went to the SVRA =
website, and sure enough, a revised tire regs, dated 4/16 limits the =
tires.  Since I just stopped using the bias ply Hoosier Vintage TDs last =
year (after 19 years!), I=E2=80=99m hardly one to comment on the more =
modern radials.  I went with the Speedster 185/65-15 for mainly fit and =
appearance reasons.  Got to say I love them, but it takes a different =
driving style that I am still getting used to after 19 years of tossing =
the old TR3 around on bias ply tires.  I am concerned however about the =
extra stresses and strains these stickier radials are putting on the =
chassis.  What is the next thing that is going to break?!  How about we =
all agree to race on bias ply Dunlops?  That way we would all be on the =
same playing field, and those Dunlops last forever!=20
>=20
> At SVRA Sebring this past March, I had to have my HANS re-strapped, =
and re-certified for $65.  Vendor right next to tech!  My SFI rated =
belts were fairly new so I escaped buying new ones.  I just purchased =
some new belts for my Lotus and went with the FIA that had the 5 year =
expiration.  Cost another $100 from Simpson, but worth it if the SFIs =
are only good for 2 years!  Also checked the fire system bottle in the =
Lotus.  It was 20+ years old and filled with Halon.  Pegasus had an =
interchangeable bottle with the new stuff, so I ordered one.  Surprised =
when it arrived with only a 2 year certification, needs to be =
re-certified every 2 years!!
>=20
> Ya know, Vintage Racing just isn=E2=80=99t what it was a number of =
years ago.  Thank goodness for the =E2=80=9Cclubs=E2=80=9D VRG, VSCDA, =
VDCA, etc.  But, it is still fun and I enjoy the "competition and =
camaraderie!"
>=20
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com <http://www.snooksdreamcars.com/>
> 419-344-0319
>=20
>=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Been there, done that Mike. I dropped what was left of my =
trans and bellhousing onto the front straight at Pacific Raceways just =
before the turn=E2=80=94maxed out in top gear. Probably wasn=E2=80=99t a =
failure to properly torque the studs. I think the studs just don=E2=80=99t=
 like that sustained vibration at 6800 RPM. The flywheel had four ARP =
studs and two dowels. I=E2=80=99ve gone to eight ARP studs.&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
May 28, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Mike Jackson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 16px; =
font-family: arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I dont understand SVRA's =
actions on belts and HANS. &nbsp;SCCA changed from the 2 year rule on =
belts to 5 years after sufficient proof that the webbing wasnt setting =
outside in the elements 24/7, which was the excuse manufacturers used =
for pushing the 2 year rule. &nbsp;Havent been to an SVRA event in over =
a decade but will be going to Mid-O next month with my FV.<div =
style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D"">As for HANS, even SCCA has not yet =
required re-certification. &nbsp;But, they may since there is a strap =
that is essentially a smaller version of a seat belt and if 5 years is =
good....so be it. &nbsp;I got mine re-cert for the Mid-O trip. =
&nbsp;Cost a lot more than $65 including shipping two ways and I think =
the fee was more like $75 or so.</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" =
class=3D"">Tires? &nbsp;Lucky me, just bought a set of Speedsters and =
planning on getting a driving lesson from Snook but at the J500 the =
flywheel unbolted itself and in the process caused the trans case to =
actually get sheared in half at about the fill plug. &nbsp;Presumably =
due to the torque shock since it gave up the flywheel at WOT in 4th =
gear. &nbsp;Guess who last had a chance to incorrectly torque said =
flywheel? &nbsp;Yep me. &nbsp;Those unused speedsters may end up for =
sale.</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D"">Mike<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; =
margin-left: 0px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); border-left-width: =
2px; border-left-style: solid; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; =
text-decoration: none; font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">From: Jeff =
Snook<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><[email-masked] =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent: May 28, 2016 11:48 AM<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">To: Friends =
of Triumph<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><[email-masked] =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Subject: [Fot] SVRA &amp; Tires<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><zzzhtml class=3D""><zzzhead class=3D""><zzzmeta =
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class=3D""></zzzmeta></zzzhead><zzzbody class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Hey all, after reading the recent tire posts I went =
to the SVRA website, and sure enough, a revised tire regs, dated 4/16 =
limits the tires. &nbsp;Since I just stopped using the bias ply Hoosier =
Vintage TDs last year (after 19 years!), I=E2=80=99m hardly one to =
comment on the more modern radials. &nbsp;I went with the Speedster =
185/65-15 for mainly fit and appearance reasons. &nbsp;Got to say I love =
them, but it takes a different driving style that I am still getting =
used to after 19 years of tossing the old TR3 around on bias ply tires. =
&nbsp;I am concerned however about the extra stresses and strains these =
stickier radials are putting on the chassis. &nbsp;What is the next =
thing that is going to break?! &nbsp;How about we all agree to race on =
bias ply Dunlops? &nbsp;That way we would all be on the same playing =
field, and those Dunlops last forever!&nbsp;<div class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin: 0px;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin: 0px;">At SVRA Sebring this past March, I had to have my =
HANS re-strapped, and re-certified for $65. &nbsp;Vendor right next to =
tech! &nbsp;My SFI rated belts were fairly new so I escaped buying new =
ones. &nbsp;I just purchased some new belts for my Lotus and went with =
the FIA that had the 5 year expiration. &nbsp;Cost another $100 from =
Simpson, but worth it if the SFIs are only good for 2 years! &nbsp;Also =
checked the fire system bottle in the Lotus. &nbsp;It was 20+ years old =
and filled with Halon. &nbsp;Pegasus had an interchangeable bottle with =
the new stuff, so I ordered one. &nbsp;Surprised when it arrived with =
only a 2 year certification, needs to be re-certified every 2 =
years!!</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;">Ya know, Vintage =
Racing just isn=E2=80=99t what it was a number of years ago. &nbsp;Thank =
goodness for the =E2=80=9Cclubs=E2=80=9D VRG, VSCDA, VDCA, etc. =
&nbsp;But, it is still fun and I enjoy the "competition and =
camaraderie!"</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;"><div class=3D"" =
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