Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Close ratio gear sets

From: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 13:14:44 -0400

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Matt Bakes at Triumph Rescue has built up a couple of close ratio boxes =
for me using a TR6 box to start.  Initially we sourced the gear sets =
through Ken Gilanders, but I think the primary source might be Moss =
Europe.  =
http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr5-6/performance-tunin=
g/clutch-gearbox-drivetrain/close-ratio-gear-set.html

1st =3D 2.19:1, 2nd =3D 1.57:1, 3rd =3D 1.23:1, 4th =3D 1:1

I've had no trouble with them whatsoever - though make sure everything =
is clearanced properly when the box is built!  It's great spacing from =
my perspective.
I use this box in my GT6 with 13" wheels and a 3.89 rear.  Need to slip =
the clutch around the paddock below 15-20 mph.  First gear at 6000 RPM =
is 47 miles per hour, if I did my math right.
With a fifteen inch wheel you would pick up another 9%.   I don't find =
there are any tracks except the Pittsburgh Vintage (city streets race) =
where I am in first gear, as I've got enough grunt in second for the =
really slow corners.  I think if you had a taller first gear or this =
combined with a taller rear end, you'd have real trouble getting the car =
moving/clutch issues, particularly if combined with a racing style =
clutch.

On May 16, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Greg Blake wrote:

I know this has been discussed before, but most of the threads I see in =
the archives are a bit dated.=20
We had our first CVAR event at MSR Houston this past weekend and the =
need for a usable 2nd and possibly 1st gear were never more noticeable. =
Since we will no longer be racing at TWS the time has come for me to =
build a close ratio box.=20
what are our current options to build a close ratio TR6 box. Even though =
budget does not allow for the dog box option, go ahead and list it so we =
have a complete listing. I am particularly interested if anyone has an =
option where 1st is a usable gear as well.=20

Thanks.=20

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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Matt =
Bakes at Triumph Rescue has built up a couple of close ratio boxes for =
me using a TR6 box to start. &nbsp;Initially we sourced the gear sets =
through Ken Gilanders, but I think the primary source might be Moss =
Europe. &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr5-6/performan=
ce-tuning/clutch-gearbox-drivetrain/close-ratio-gear-set.html">http://www.=
moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr5-6/performance-tuning/clutch-ge=
arbox-drivetrain/close-ratio-gear-set.html</a><div><br></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 14px; text-align: left; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: =
rgb(247, 247, 246); display: inline !important; float: none; ">1st =3D =
2.19:1, 2nd =3D 1.57:1, 3rd =3D 1.23:1, 4th =3D =
1:1</span></div><div><div style=3D"text-align: left;"><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"line-height: =
14px;"><br></span></font></div><div>I've had no trouble with them =
whatsoever - though make sure everything is clearanced properly when the =
box is built! &nbsp;It's great spacing from my perspective.</div><div>I =
use this box in my GT6 with 13" wheels and a 3.89 rear. &nbsp;Need to =
slip the clutch around the paddock below 15-20 mph. &nbsp;First gear at =
6000 RPM is 47 miles per hour, if I did my math right.</div><div>With a =
fifteen inch wheel you would pick up another 9%. &nbsp; I don't find =
there are any tracks except the Pittsburgh Vintage (city streets race) =
where I am in first gear, as I've got enough grunt in second for the =
really slow corners. &nbsp;I think if you had a taller first gear or =
this combined with a taller rear end, you'd have real trouble getting =
the car moving/clutch issues, particularly if combined with a racing =
style clutch.</div><div><br><div><div>On May 16, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Greg =
Blake wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div>I know =
this has been discussed before, but most of the threads I see in the =
archives are a bit dated. <br>We had our first CVAR event at MSR Houston =
this past weekend and the need for a usable 2nd and possibly 1st gear =
were never more noticeable. Since we will no longer be racing at TWS the =
time has come for me to build a close ratio box. <br>what are our =
current options to build a close ratio TR6 box. Even though budget does =
not allow for the dog box option, go ahead and list it so we have a =
complete listing. I am particularly interested if anyone has an option =
where 1st is a usable gear as well. <br><br>Thanks. <br><br>Sent from my =
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From: Jack Wheeler <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 17:56:25 +0000 (UTC)

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Group 44 had a close ratio gear set made up for the TR-6.=C2=A0 Hardy Prent=
ice used to run it in his TR-3.=C2=A0 I believe the first gear was 1.88.=C2=
=A0 Depending on the track and rear end gear you use, first gear may very w=
ell be usable.=C2=A0 I used the Dolomite Sprint gear set, ordered from Engl=
and.=C2=A0 It had a 2.19 first gear, which was rarely used on the tracks I =
was running in the Midwest.
Jack

      From: Greg Blake <[email-masked]>
 To: Fot <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 9:07 AM
 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Close ratio gear sets
  =20
I know this has been discussed before, but most of the threads I see in the=
 archives are a bit dated.=20
We had our first CVAR event at MSR Houston this past weekend and the need f=
or a usable 2nd and possibly 1st gear were never more noticeable. Since we =
will no longer be racing at TWS the time has come for me to build a close r=
atio box.=20
what are our current options to build a close ratio TR6 box. Even though bu=
dget does not allow for the dog box option, go ahead and list it so we have=
 a complete listing. I am particularly interested if anyone has an option w=
here 1st is a usable gear as well.=20

Thanks.=20

Sent from my iPhone

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 possibly 1st gear were never more noticeable. Since we will no longer be r=
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are our current options to build a close ratio TR6 box. Even though budget =
does not allow for the dog box option, go ahead and list it so we have a co=
mplete listing. I am particularly interested if anyone has an option where =
1st is a usable gear as well. <br><br>Thanks. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone<b=
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From: Joe Alexander <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 16:40:33 -0500

FOT

If there was an interest in Dog Boxes and someone would collect the names of the North American candidates, I would try to do a one time group buy with Bastuck.

Yott has built two for the FOT and is well set up to do regular trannys and J-type OD option, including bench testing.

Chris Marx and ARE already does business with Bastuck and we hope to expand business with them.  So there's a chance.

I'd give it a try.

Joe Alexander
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Cell:  319.464.4711

> On May 16, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Greg Blake <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> I know this has been discussed before, but most of the threads I see in the archives are a bit dated. 
> We had our first CVAR event at MSR Houston this past weekend and the need for a usable 2nd and possibly 1st gear were never more noticeable. Since we will no longer be racing at TWS the time has come for me to build a close ratio box. 
> what are our current options to build a close ratio TR6 box. Even though budget does not allow for the dog box option, go ahead and list it so we have a complete listing. I am particularly interested if anyone has an option where 1st is a usable gear as well. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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I still have one of the original CR gearboxes of the 25 or so ever made. Ja=
ck is correct, first gear is a 1.88, second 1.43, third 1.23 to a 1:1 fourt=
h or something close to that as it's been a while since I have used it. If =
anyone is interested in it please contact me as I will be happy to sell it.

Sam Halkias

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Jack Wheeler <[email-masked]> wrote:

Group 44 had a close ratio gear set made up for the TR-6.  Hardy Prentice u=
sed to run it in his TR-3.  I believe the first gear was 1.88.  Depending o=
n the track and rear end gear you use, first gear may very well be usable. =
 I used the Dolomite Sprint gear set, ordered from England.  It had a 2.19 =
first gear, which was rarely used on the tracks I was running in the Midwes=
t.

Jack

________________________________
From: Greg Blake <[email-masked]>
To: Fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 9:07 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Close ratio gear sets

I know this has been discussed before, but most of the threads I see in the=
 archives are a bit dated.
We had our first CVAR event at MSR Houston this past weekend and the need f=
or a usable 2nd and possibly 1st gear were never more noticeable. Since we =
will no longer be racing at TWS the time has come for me to build a close r=
atio box.
what are our current options to build a close ratio TR6 box. Even though bu=
dget does not allow for the dog box option, go ahead and list it so we have=
 a complete listing. I am particularly interested if anyone has an option w=
here 1st is a usable gear as well.

Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

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fourth or something close to that as it's been a while since I have used it=
. If anyone is interested in it
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o gear set made up for the TR-6.&nbsp; Hardy Prentice used to run it in his=
 TR-3.&nbsp; I believe the first gear was 1.88.&nbsp; Depending on the trac=
k and rear end gear you use, first gear may very
 well be usable.&nbsp; I used the Dolomite Sprint gear set, ordered from En=
gland.&nbsp; It had a 2.19 first gear, which was rarely used on the tracks =
I was running in the Midwest.</div>
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I know this has been discussed before, but most of the threads I see in the=
 archives are a bit dated.
<br>
We had our first CVAR event at MSR Houston this past weekend and the need f=
or a usable 2nd and possibly 1st gear were never more noticeable. Since we =
will no longer be racing at TWS the time has come for me to build a close r=
atio box.
<br>
what are our current options to build a close ratio TR6 box. Even though bu=
dget does not allow for the dog box option, go ahead and list it so we have=
 a complete listing. I am particularly interested if anyone has an option w=
here 1st is a usable gear as well.
<br>
<br>
Thanks. <br>
<br>
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