Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR

From: Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:11:25 -0500

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Jim,

I=E2=80=99ve seen this type of carb(s) only once before, on a 1957 =
Cooper Formula 2 that raced with the pre-war group (due to not having a =
roll bar) at the SVRA races at CotA three years ago.=20

These would look pretty sweet on my Morgan Plus 4 flat-rad =
cycle-fendered special.

Duncan
(Texas)

> On Mar 16, 2016, at 1:49 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
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> =46rom the ebay ad.
> TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 Dual Throat Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 =
Manifolds DU-6 !
> =20
> =
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Car=
bs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c65990:g:3C4AAOS=
woudW5eHp&vxp=3Dmtr =
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Ca=
rbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c65990:g:3C4AAO=
SwoudW5eHp&vxp=3Dmtr>
> =20
> Very cool, just wish there was a Sabrina motor to with.
> jim g
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class=3D"">Jim,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve=
 seen this type of carb(s) only once before, on a 1957 Cooper Formula 2 =
that raced with the pre-war group (due to not having a roll bar) at the =
SVRA races at CotA three years ago.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">These would look pretty sweet on my =
Morgan Plus 4 flat-rad cycle-fendered special.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Duncan</div><div =
class=3D"">(Texas)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 16, 2016, at 1:49 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><div =
aria-label=3D"Compose body" class=3D"">=46rom the ebay ad.<br =
class=3D""></div>
<div aria-label=3D"Compose body" class=3D"">TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 <span =
style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D""><em class=3D"">Dual Throat</em></span> Sabrina =
Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifolds DU-6 !</div>
<div aria-label=3D"Compose body" class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div aria-label=3D"Compose body" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Ra=
cing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c65990:g=
:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=3Dmtr" =
data-mce-href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-S=
abrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem236=
4c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=3Dmtr" =
class=3D"">http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina=
-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c6599=
0:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=3Dmtr</a></div>
<div aria-label=3D"Compose body" class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div aria-label=3D"Compose body" class=3D"">Very cool, just wish there =
was a Sabrina motor to with.</div>
<div aria-label=3D"Compose body" class=3D"">jim g</div>
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From: davehogye <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:14:27 +0000 (UTC)

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Pretty neat. I've seen these carbs on a twin cam MGA. 

Dave H. 

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From: [email-masked] 
To: "fot" <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:49:09 AM 
Subject: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR 

>From the ebay ad. 
TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 Dual Throat Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifolds DU-6 ! 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=item2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&vxp=mtr 
Very cool, just wish there was a Sabrina motor to with. 
jim g 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">Pretty neat. &nbsp;I've seen these car=
bs on a twin cam MGA.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div =
aria-label=3D"Compose body">Dave H.</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><d=
iv style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration=
:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-styl=
e=3D"color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration:=
 none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>To: </b>"fot" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:49:09 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>[=
Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a=
 TR<br><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; co=
lor: #000000" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color:=
 #000000;"><div>From the ebay ad.<br></div><div>TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 <spa=
n style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: u=
nderline;"><em>Dual Throat</em></span> Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Mani=
folds DU-6 !</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/=
TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-D=
U-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=3Dmtr" t=
arget=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-D=
U6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016=
?hash=3Ditem2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=3Dmtr">http://www.ebay.co=
m/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manif=
olds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=3D=
mtr</a></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Very cool, just wish there was a Sabrina=
 motor to with.</div><div>jim g</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></di=
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:21:02 +0000 (UTC)

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I would bet cost of production would be high on the list of reasons they we=
re the never put=C2=A0production.=20
Here's an interesting article.=20
http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/Customer-restorations/Runyan/TRS=
-restoration-folder/TRS%20restoration.html=20
jg=20

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To: [email-masked], "fot" <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:10:34 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina mot=
or carbs for a TR=20

Agreed!=C2=A0 If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for its rare, =
historical significance.=C2=A0 But down through the years I have always won=
dered why the SABRINA engine never made it into their production cars.=C2=
=A0 They sure seemed to do their job on the race track, but there must have=
 been issues why they never went into their normal production cars.=20

I wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on that.=20

Bill Dentinger=20

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From: toodamnfunky <[email-masked]>=20
To: fot <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 1:51 pm=20
Subject: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor c=
arbs for a TR=20

>From the ebay ad.=20
TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 Dual Throat Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifold=
s DU-6 !=20
=C2=A0=20
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carb=
s-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwo=
udW5eHp&vxp=3Dmtr=20
=C2=A0=20
Very cool, just wish there was a Sabrina motor to with.=20
jim g=20
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=C2=A0=20
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<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><DIV>I would bet cost of production would be high on the list of reasons they were the never put&nbsp;production.<BR>Here's an interesting article.</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/Customer-restorations/Runyan/TRS-restoration-folder/TRS%20restoration.html" data-mce-href="http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/Customer-restorations/Runyan/TRS-restoration-folder/TRS%20restoration.html">http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/Customer-restorations/Runyan/TRS-restoration-folder/TRS%20restoration.html</A></DIV>
<DIV>jg</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<HR id=zwchr>

<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000; FONT-STYLE: normal"><B>From: </B>[email-masked]<BR><B>To: </B>[email-masked], "fot" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:10:34 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #000000" size="2" data-mce-style="font-size: small; font-family: arial; color: #000000;" color="#000000" face="arial">
<DIV>Agreed!&nbsp; If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for its rare, historical significance.&nbsp; But down through the years I have always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it into their production cars.&nbsp; They sure seemed to do their job on the race track, but there must have been issues why they never went into their normal production cars.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on that.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bill Dentinger</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black">-----Original Message-----<BR>From: toodamnfunky &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR>To: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR>Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 1:51 pm<BR>Subject: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR<BR><BR>
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<DIV>From the ebay ad.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 <SPAN style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline"><EM>Dual Throat</EM></SPAN> Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifolds DU-6 !</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=item2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=mtr" target=_blank>http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=item2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=mtr</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Very cool, just wish there was a Sabrina motor to with.</DIV>
<DIV>jim g</DIV>
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The Sabrina had casting porosity issues which today can be rectified. =
Back then it was a major issue and cost the works races.

Yes, those carbs are one of the few sets in the world so someone wisely =
snatched them up.

=20

russ

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
[email-masked]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:11 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina =
motor carbs for a TR

=20

Agreed!  If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for its rare, =
historical significance.  But down through the years I have always =
wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it into their production =
cars.  They sure seemed to do their job on the race track, but there =
must have been issues why they never went into their normal production =
cars.

=20

I wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on that.

=20

Bill Dentinger

=20

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From: toodamnfunky <[email-masked]>
To: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 1:51 pm
Subject: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina =
motor carbs for a TR

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The Sabrina had casting porosity issues which today can be rectified. =
Back then it was a major issue and cost the works =
races.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Yes, those carbs are one of the few sets in the world so someone =
wisely snatched them up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>russ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:11 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Now that's something =
I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a =
TR<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>A=
greed!&nbsp; If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for its =
rare, historical significance.&nbsp; But down through the years I have =
always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it into their =
production cars.&nbsp; They sure seemed to do their job on the race =
track, but there must have been issues why they never went into their =
normal production cars.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
 wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on =
that.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
ill Dentinger<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
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----Original Message-----<br>From: toodamnfunky &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br>To: fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: =
Wed, Mar 16, 2016 1:51 pm<br>Subject: [Fot] Now that's something I've =
never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a =
TR<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
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><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From the ebay =
ad.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>TRIUMPH Pair... =
SU DU6 <em><u><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dual =
Throat</span></u></em> Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifolds DU-6 =
!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a =
href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-R=
acing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c65990=
:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=3Dmtr" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat=
-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem=
2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=3Dmtr</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Very cool, just =
wish there was a Sabrina motor to =
with.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>jim =
g<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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On 3/16/2016 1:10 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
> Agreed!  If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for its rare, 
> historical significance.  But down through the years I have always 
> wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it into their production 
> cars.  They sure seemed to do their job on the race track, but there 
> must have been issues why they never went into their normal production 
> cars.
>

I imagine they do, but, my first guess would be the overall cost.  At 
precisely the time that the American market was expecting lots of 
changes year to year, Triumph was making just a few cosmetic changes to 
control expenses and to address manufacturing problems.  It made no 
sense to hang onto an engine the basic design of which dated back to the 
`30s--which Triumph did==except for reasons having to do with money.

Tooling costs, especially for low-volume producers, are horribly 
expensive.  With talented people and enough time, it's possible to make 
a few units in-house without production tooling and come up with 
something that works reasonably well (this might be why the engines had, 
IIRC, some persistent oil leaks during racing), but translating that 
design to production is quite another matter.  New castings means new 
forms, and any changes in the design means changes to production 
equipment, too--most manufacturers at the time had specially-made gang 
drills to drill out the bosses for head bolts in the block and the head, 
etc. (by and large, no CNC machining centers then, especially for small 
producers), and all those had to be redone or adjusted to new tasks.  
And all this would have come at the precise time that Triumph was just 
absorbing new tooling costs for the Spitfire and the TR4. And in that 
period, early `60s, market conditions were already changing--the trend 
toward muscle cars in the U.S. certainly had an impact on the sports car 
market--and emission controls were coming and the company was already 
inching toward receivership (wasn't the first part of S-T turned over to 
British Leyland in 1968?).

In a way, it was a perfect storm of adverse conditions.  I'm sure that 
S-T sensed a need to make some radical changes, but they only had the 
money to make do.

Cheers.

-- 

Michael Porter
Roswell, NM

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2016 1:10 PM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:[email-masked]"
      type="cite"><font size="2" color="black" face="arial">
        <div>Agreed!  If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for
          its rare, historical significance.  But down through the years
          I have always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it
          into their production cars.  They sure seemed to do their job
          on the race track, but there must have been issues why they
          never went into their normal production cars.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on that.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </font><br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <font size="2"><font face="arial">I imagine they do, but, my first
        guess would be the overall cost.  At precisely the time that the
        American market was expecting lots of changes year to year,
        Triumph was making just a few cosmetic changes to control
        expenses and to address manufacturing problems.  It made no
        sense to hang onto an engine the basic design of which dated
        back to the `30s--which Triumph did==except for reasons having
        to do with money.  <br>
        <br>
        Tooling costs, especially for low-volume producers, are horribly
        expensive.  With talented people and enough time, it's possible
        to make a few units in-house without production tooling and come
        up with something that works reasonably well (this might be why
        the engines had, IIRC, some persistent oil leaks during racing),
        but translating that design to production is quite another
        matter.  New castings means new forms, and any changes in the
        design means changes to production equipment, too--most
        manufacturers at the time had specially-made gang drills to
        drill out the bosses for head bolts in the block and the head,
        etc. (by and large, no CNC machining centers then, especially
        for small producers), and all those had to be redone or adjusted
        to new tasks.  And all this would have come at the precise time
        that Triumph was just absorbing new tooling costs for the
        Spitfire and the TR4. And in that period, early `60s, market
        conditions were already changing--the trend toward muscle cars
        in the U.S. certainly had an impact on the sports car
        market--and emission controls were coming and the company was
        already inching toward receivership (wasn't the first part of
        S-T turned over to British Leyland in 1968?).  <br>
        <br>
        In a way, it was a perfect storm of adverse conditions.  I'm
        sure that S-T sensed a need to make some radical changes, but
        they only had the money to make do.<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        Cheers.  <br>
      </font></font>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 

Michael Porter
Roswell, NM

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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:35:21 -0600

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I just want to know where I can get one of those motors. Let em move me =
up to C-Prod. We=E2=80=99ll show those Elans something they=E2=80=99ve =
never seen.

=20

From: Dan Forgey [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:09 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina =
motor carbs for a TR

=20

Another funk for RMVR rules folks?

  _____ =20

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:49:09 PM
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motor carbs for a TR

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jim g

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I just want =
to know where I can get one of those motors. Let em move me up to =
C-Prod. We=E2=80=99ll show those Elans something they=E2=80=99ve never =
seen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Dan Forgey [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 16, =
2016 3:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor =
carbs for a TR<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black'>Another funk =
for RMVR rules folks?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From: =
</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>=
<b>To: </b>&quot;fot&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:=
 </b>Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:49:09 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Now =
that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a =
TR<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From the ebay =
ad.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>TRIUMPH Pair... SU =
DU6 <em><u><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Dual =
Throat</span></u></em> Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifolds DU-6 =
!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a =
href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-R=
acing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c65990=
:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=3Dmtr" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat=
-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem=
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pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Very cool, just =
wish there was a Sabrina motor to =
with.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>jim =
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From: michael <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:27:18 -0400

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Just a quick comment - the "Sabrina" engine is a complex sandwich held toge=
ther by very long studs. Lots of castings=2C twin cams to worry about and n=
ot much more horsepower than a well-prepared normal TR engine. It might hav=
e earned the factory points for development and up-to-date thinking but it =
would have been expensive to build and service. They were right to stick wi=
th the existing engine and put the money into styling.
=20
Mike
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To: [email-masked]=3B [email-masked]
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed=2C 16 Mar 2016 16:20:04 -0600
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina mot=
or carbs for a TR

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    On 3/16/2016 1:10 PM=2C=0A=
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        Agreed!  If nothing else=2C it would be nice to have just for=0A=
          its rare=2C historical significance.  But down through the years=
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          I have always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it=0A=
          into their production cars.  They sure seemed to do their job=0A=
          on the race track=2C but there must have been issues why they=0A=
          never went into their normal production cars.=0A=
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        I wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on that.=0A=
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    I imagine they do=2C but=2C my first=0A=
        guess would be the overall cost.  At precisely the time that the=0A=
        American market was expecting lots of changes year to year=2C=0A=
        Triumph was making just a few cosmetic changes to control=0A=
        expenses and to address manufacturing problems.  It made no=0A=
        sense to hang onto an engine the basic design of which dated=0A=
        back to the `30s--which Triumph did=3D=3Dexcept for reasons having=
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        to do with money. =20
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        Tooling costs=2C especially for low-volume producers=2C are horribl=
y=0A=
        expensive.  With talented people and enough time=2C it's possible=
=0A=
        to make a few units in-house without production tooling and come=0A=
        up with something that works reasonably well (this might be why=0A=
        the engines had=2C IIRC=2C some persistent oil leaks during racing)=
=2C=0A=
        but translating that design to production is quite another=0A=
        matter.  New castings means new forms=2C and any changes in the=0A=
        design means changes to production equipment=2C too--most=0A=
        manufacturers at the time had specially-made gang drills to=0A=
        drill out the bosses for head bolts in the block and the head=2C=0A=
        etc. (by and large=2C no CNC machining centers then=2C especially=
=0A=
        for small producers)=2C and all those had to be redone or adjusted=
=0A=
        to new tasks.  And all this would have come at the precise time=0A=
        that Triumph was just absorbing new tooling costs for the=0A=
        Spitfire and the TR4. And in that period=2C early `60s=2C market=0A=
        conditions were already changing--the trend toward muscle cars=0A=
        in the U.S. certainly had an impact on the sports car=0A=
        market--and emission controls were coming and the company was=0A=
        already inching toward receivership (wasn't the first part of=0A=
        S-T turned over to British Leyland in 1968?). =20
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        In a way=2C it was a perfect storm of adverse conditions.  I'm=0A=
        sure that S-T sensed a need to make some radical changes=2C but=0A=
        they only had the money to make do.
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        Cheers. =20
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Just a quick comment - the "Sabr=
ina" engine is a complex sandwich held together by very long studs.&nbsp=3B=
Lots of castings=2C twin cams to worry about and not much more horsepower t=
han a well-prepared normal TR engine. It might have earned the factory poin=
ts for development and up-to-date thinking but it would have been&nbsp=3Bex=
pensive to build and service. They were right to stick with the existing en=
gine and put the money into styling.<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>Mike<br>&nbsp=3B<BR><di=
v><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">To: [email-masked]=3B [email-masked]<br>F=
rom: [email-masked]<br>Date: Wed=2C 16 Mar 2016 16:20:04 -0600<br>Subject=
: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carb=
s for a TR<br><br>=0A=
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    =0A=
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    <div class=3D"ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2016 1:10 PM=2C=0A=
      <a class=3D"ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:billdentin@ao=
l.com">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>=0A=
    </div>=0A=
    <blockquote cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]"><=
font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">=0A=
        <div>Agreed!&nbsp=3B If nothing else=2C it would be nice to have ju=
st for=0A=
          its rare=2C historical significance.&nbsp=3B But down through the=
 years=0A=
          I have always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it=0A=
          into their production cars.&nbsp=3B They sure seemed to do their =
job=0A=
          on the race track=2C but there must have been issues why they=0A=
          never went into their normal production cars.</div>=0A=
        <div><br>=0A=
        </div>=0A=
        <div>I wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on that.</div>=0A=
        <div><br>=0A=
        </div>=0A=
      </font><br>=0A=
    </blockquote>=0A=
    <br>=0A=
    <font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"arial">I imagine they do=2C but=2C my fi=
rst=0A=
        guess would be the overall cost.&nbsp=3B At precisely the time that=
 the=0A=
        American market was expecting lots of changes year to year=2C=0A=
        Triumph was making just a few cosmetic changes to control=0A=
        expenses and to address manufacturing problems.&nbsp=3B It made no=
=0A=
        sense to hang onto an engine the basic design of which dated=0A=
        back to the `30s--which Triumph did=3D=3Dexcept for reasons having=
=0A=
        to do with money.&nbsp=3B <br>=0A=
        <br>=0A=
        Tooling costs=2C especially for low-volume producers=2C are horribl=
y=0A=
        expensive.&nbsp=3B With talented people and enough time=2C it's pos=
sible=0A=
        to make a few units in-house without production tooling and come=0A=
        up with something that works reasonably well (this might be why=0A=
        the engines had=2C IIRC=2C some persistent oil leaks during racing)=
=2C=0A=
        but translating that design to production is quite another=0A=
        matter.&nbsp=3B New castings means new forms=2C and any changes in =
the=0A=
        design means changes to production equipment=2C too--most=0A=
        manufacturers at the time had specially-made gang drills to=0A=
        drill out the bosses for head bolts in the block and the head=2C=0A=
        etc. (by and large=2C no CNC machining centers then=2C especially=
=0A=
        for small producers)=2C and all those had to be redone or adjusted=
=0A=
        to new tasks.&nbsp=3B And all this would have come at the precise t=
ime=0A=
        that Triumph was just absorbing new tooling costs for the=0A=
        Spitfire and the TR4. And in that period=2C early `60s=2C market=0A=
        conditions were already changing--the trend toward muscle cars=0A=
        in the U.S. certainly had an impact on the sports car=0A=
        market--and emission controls were coming and the company was=0A=
        already inching toward receivership (wasn't the first part of=0A=
        S-T turned over to British Leyland in 1968?).&nbsp=3B <br>=0A=
        <br>=0A=
        In a way=2C it was a perfect storm of adverse conditions.&nbsp=3B I=
'm=0A=
        sure that S-T sensed a need to make some radical changes=2C but=0A=
        they only had the money to make do.<br>=0A=
        <br>=0A=
        <br>=0A=
        Cheers.&nbsp=3B <br>=0A=
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