Subject: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR

From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 18:49:09 +0000 (UTC)

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>From the ebay ad.=20
TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 Dual Throat Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifold=
s DU-6 !=20
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carb=
s-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=3Ditem2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwo=
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Very cool, just wish there was a Sabrina motor to with.=20
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<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><DIV aria-label="Compose body">From the ebay ad.<BR></DIV>
<DIV aria-label="Compose body">TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 <SPAN style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;"><EM>Dual Throat</EM></SPAN> Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifolds DU-6 !</DIV>
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<DIV aria-label="Compose body"><A href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=item2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=mtr" data-mce-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=item2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=mtr">http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=item2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=mtr</A></DIV>
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<DIV aria-label="Compose body">Very cool, just wish there was a Sabrina motor to with.</DIV>
<DIV aria-label="Compose body">jim g</DIV>
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Agreed!  If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for its rare, historical significance.  But down through the years I have always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it into their production cars.  They sure seemed to do their job on the race track, but there must have been issues why they never went into their normal production cars.

I wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on that.

Bill Dentinger

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From: toodamnfunky <[email-masked]>
To: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 1:51 pm
Subject: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR

>From the ebay ad.

TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 Dual Throat Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifolds DU-6 !
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=item2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&vxp=mtr
 
Very cool, just wish there was a Sabrina motor to with.
jim g

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<div>Agreed!&nbsp; If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for its rare, historical significance.&nbsp; But down through the years I have always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it into their production cars.&nbsp; They sure seemed to do their job on the race track, but there must have been issues why they never went into their normal production cars.</div>

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<div>I wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on that.</div>

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<div>Bill Dentinger</div>

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To: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 1:51 pm<br>
Subject: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR<br>
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<div>TRIUMPH Pair... SU DU6 <span style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline"><em>Dual Throat</em></span> Sabrina Racing Carbs on TR3 TR4 Manifolds DU-6 !</div>

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<div><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=item2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=mtr" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-Pair-SU-DU6-Dual-Throat-Sabrina-Racing-Carbs-on-TR3-TR4-Manifolds-DU-6-/152014576016?hash=item2364c65990:g:3C4AAOSwoudW5eHp&amp;vxp=mtr</a></div>

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<div>Very cool, just wish there was a Sabrina motor to with.</div>

<div>jim g</div>

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Yeah! I can understand that...but my hang up is I keep thinking about Sabri=
na, and Bridget, and Gina, and Sophia, and all those others from that era..

Bill Dentinger

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From: michael <[email-masked]>
To: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>; billdentin <[email-masked]>; fot=
 <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2016 10:27 am
Subject: RE: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina mot=
or carbs for a TR

Just a quick comment - the "Sabrina" engine is a complex sandwich held toge=
ther by very long studs. Lots of castings, twin cams to worry about and not=
 much more horsepower than a well-prepared normal TR engine. It might have =
earned the factory points for development and up-to-date thinking but it wo=
uld have been expensive to build and service. They were right to stick with=
 the existing engine and put the money into styling.
=20
Mike
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To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:20:04 -0600
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina mot=
or carbs for a TR

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On 3/16/2016 1:10 PM,      [email-masked] wrote:
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Agreed!  If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for          its ra=
re, historical significance.  But down through the years          I have al=
ways wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it          into their prod=
uction cars.  They sure seemed to do their job          on the race track, =
but there must have been issues why they          never went into their nor=
mal production cars.
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    I imagine they do, but, my first        guess would be the overall cost=
.  At precisely the time that the        American market was expecting lots=
 of changes year to year,        Triumph was making just a few cosmetic cha=
nges to control        expenses and to address manufacturing problems.  It =
made no        sense to hang onto an engine the basic design of which dated=
        back to the `30s--which Triumph did=3D=3Dexcept for reasons having =
       to do with money. =20
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        Tooling costs, especially for low-volume producers, are horribly   =
     expensive.  With talented people and enough time, it's possible       =
 to make a few units in-house without production tooling and come        up=
 with something that works reasonably well (this might be why        the en=
gines had, IIRC, some persistent oil leaks during racing),        but trans=
lating that design to production is quite another        matter.  New casti=
ngs means new forms, and any changes in the        design means changes to =
production equipment, too--most        manufacturers at the time had specia=
lly-made gang drills to        drill out the bosses for head bolts in the b=
lock and the head,        etc. (by and large, no CNC machining centers then=
, especially        for small producers), and all those had to be redone or=
 adjusted        to new tasks.  And all this would have come at the precise=
 time        that Triumph was just absorbing new tooling costs for the     =
   Spitfire and the TR4. And in that period, early `60s, market        cond=
itions were already changing--the trend toward muscle cars        in the U.=
S. certainly had an impact on the sports car        market--and emission co=
ntrols were coming and the company was        already inching toward receiv=
ership (wasn't the first part of        S-T turned over to British Leyland =
in 1968?). =20
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        In a way, it was a perfect storm of adverse conditions.  I'm       =
 sure that S-T sensed a need to make some radical changes, but        they =
only had the money to make do.
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        Cheers. =20
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<div>Yeah! I can understand that...but my hang up is I keep thinking about Sabrina, and Bridget, and Gina, and Sophia, and all those others from that era..</div>

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</div>

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From: michael &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Michael Porter &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; billdentin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2016 10:27 am<br>
Subject: RE: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Just a quick comment - the "Sabrina" engine is a complex sandwich held together by very long studs.&nbsp;Lots of castings, twin cams to worry about and not much more horsepower than a well-prepared normal TR engine. It might have earned the factory points for development and up-to-date thinking but it would have been&nbsp;expensive to build and service. They were right to stick with the existing engine and put the money into styling.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Mike<br>
&nbsp;<br>

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From: <a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:20:04 -0600<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR<br>
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<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2016 1:10 PM,
      <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>

    </div>

    <blockquote cite="about:blank"><font color="black" face="arial" size="2">
        
<div>Agreed!&nbsp; If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for
          its rare, historical significance.&nbsp; But down through the years
          I have always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it
          into their production cars.&nbsp; They sure seemed to do their job
          on the race track, but there must have been issues why they
          never went into their normal production cars.</div>

<div><br>

        </div>

<div><br>

        </div>

      </font><br>

    </blockquote>
    <br>

    <font size="2"><font face="arial">I imagine they do, but, my first
        guess would be the overall cost.&nbsp; At precisely the time that the
        American market was expecting lots of changes year to year,
        Triumph was making just a few cosmetic changes to control
        expenses and to address manufacturing problems.&nbsp; It made no
        sense to hang onto an engine the basic design of which dated
        back to the `30s--which Triumph did==except for reasons having
        to do with money.&nbsp; <br>

        <br>

        Tooling costs, especially for low-volume producers, are horribly
        expensive.&nbsp; With talented people and enough time, it's possible
        to make a few units in-house without production tooling and come
        up with something that works reasonably well (this might be why
        the engines had, IIRC, some persistent oil leaks during racing),
        but translating that design to production is quite another
        matter.&nbsp; New castings means new forms, and any changes in the
        design means changes to production equipment, too--most
        manufacturers at the time had specially-made gang drills to
        drill out the bosses for head bolts in the block and the head,
        etc. (by and large, no CNC machining centers then, especially
        for small producers), and all those had to be redone or adjusted
        to new tasks.&nbsp; And all this would have come at the precise time
        that Triumph was just absorbing new tooling costs for the
        Spitfire and the TR4. And in that period, early `60s, market
        conditions were already changing--the trend toward muscle cars
        in the U.S. certainly had an impact on the sports car
        market--and emission controls were coming and the company was
        already inching toward receivership (wasn't the first part of
        S-T turned over to British Leyland in 1968?).&nbsp; <br>

        <br>

        In a way, it was a perfect storm of adverse conditions.&nbsp; I'm
        sure that S-T sensed a need to make some radical changes, but
        they only had the money to make do.<br>

        <br>

        <br>

        Cheers.&nbsp; <br>

      </font></font>
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Curious,

Did someone on this list purchase them or did some Triumph old timer guru g=
rab them?

Bob T

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To: billdentin <[email-masked]>; fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 7:39 pm
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<font color='blue' size='4' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>Curious,
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<div>Did someone on this list purchase them or did some Triumph old timer guru grab them?</div>

<div><br>
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<div><b>Bob T</b><br>
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To: billdentin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 7:39 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR<br>
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I had passed the Ebay info yesterday to Charles Runyan at the Roadster Factory.He has two of the cars and I think he may have missing one set. Maybe he bought them.

Bob

---- [email-masked] wrote: 
> Curious,
> 
> 
> Did someone on this list purchase them or did some Triumph old timer guru grab them?
> 
> 
> Bob T
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> 
> 
>     
>     I imagine they do, but, my first        guess would be the overall cost.  At precisely the time that the        American market was expecting lots of changes year to year,        Triumph was making just a few cosmetic changes to control        expenses and to address manufacturing problems.  It made no        sense to hang onto an engine the basic design of which dated        back to the `30s--which Triumph did==except for reasons having        to do with money.  
>         
>         Tooling costs, especially for low-volume producers, are horribly        expensive.  With talented people and enough time, it's possible        to make a few units in-house without production tooling and come        up with something that works reasonably well (this might be why        the engines had, IIRC, some persistent oil leaks during racing),        but translating that design to production is quite another        matter.  New castings means new forms, and any changes in the        design means changes to production equipment, too--most        manufacturers at the time had specially-made gang drills to        drill out the bosses for head bolts in the block and the head,        etc. (by and large, no CNC machining centers then, especially        for small producers), and all those had to be redone or adjusted        to new tasks.  And all this would have come at the precise time        that Triumph was just absorbing new tooling costs for the        Spitfire and the TR4. And in that period, early `60s, market        conditions were already changing--the trend toward muscle cars        in the U.S. certainly had an impact on the sports car        market--and emission controls were coming and the company was        already inching toward receivership (wasn't the first part of        S-T turned over to British Leyland in 1968?).  
>         
>         In a way, it was a perfect storm of adverse conditions.  I'm        sure that S-T sensed a need to make some radical changes, but        they only had the money to make do.
>         
>         
>         Cheers.  
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> Yeah! I can understand that...but my hang up is I keep 
> thinking about Sabrina, and Bridget, and Gina, and Sophia, 
> and all those others from that era..

Who were also expensive, high maintenance, and other than eye candy, not much more useful than stock!

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From: Kas Kastner <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:29:13 -0700

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*Never be beaten by equipment.*

This is all very interesting. In 1966 after the great success at Sebring
with the team trophy (which I still have) there was serious talk about me
setting up a deal at each of the import points of the cars to start a
modified line of TR-4A cars just like the Sebring racers. The engines and
suspension of the cars would be exactly as the racers were and all street
legal.

 But, as the planning was being worked on the huge specter of the emission
regulations and the D.O.T. problem coming up so soon put a big damper on
the project in the fear that we'd have cars left over that would not meet
the new regulations and thus the plan, it ended up on the cutting room
floor. Warranty issues were also a sticking point that had not been
resolved but not discounted either. The success of the Shelby Mustang and
Cobra car programs had been the spark to start this talk. It was a petty
exciting time even though it never happened.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:39 AM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I had passed the Ebay info yesterday to Charles Runyan at the Roadster
> Factory.He has two of the cars and I think he may have missing one set.
> Maybe he bought them.
>
> Bob
>
> > Agreed!  If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for          its
> rare, historical significance.  But down through the years          I have
> always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it          into their
> production cars.  They sure seemed to do their job          on the race
> track, but there must have been issues why they          never went into
> their normal production cars.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     I imagine they do, but, my first        guess would be the overall
> cost.  At precisely the time that the        American market was expecting
> lots of changes year to year,        Triumph was making just a few cosmetic
> changes to control        expenses and to address manufacturing problems.
> It made no        sense to hang onto an engine the basic design of which
> dated        back to the `30s--which Triumph did==except for reasons
> having        to do with money.
> >
> >         Tooling costs, especially for low-volume producers, are
> horribly        expensive.  With talented people and enough time, it's
> possible        to make a few units in-house without production tooling and
> come        up with something that works reasonably well (this might be
> why        the engines had, IIRC, some persistent oil leaks during
> racing),        but translating that design to production is quite another
>       matter.  New castings means new forms, and any changes in the
> manufacturers at the time had specially-made gang drills to        drill
> out the bosses for head bolts in the block and the head,        etc. (by
> and large, no CNC machining centers then, especially        for small
> producers), and all those had to be redone or adjusted        to new
> tasks.  And all this would have come at the precise time        that
> Triumph was just absorbing new tooling costs for the        Spitfire and
> the T
>  R4. And in that period, early `60s, market        conditions were already
> changing--the trend toward muscle cars        in the U.S. certainly had an
> impact on the sports car        market--and emission controls were coming
> and the company was        already inching toward receivership (wasn't the
> first part of        S-T turned over to British Leyland in 1968?).
> >
> >         In a way, it was a perfect storm of adverse conditions.  I'm
> they only had the money to make do.
> >
> >
> >         Cheers.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Michael Porter
> > Roswell, NM
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><p><=
strong><font color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</font></strong=
></p></div></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>This is all very inter=
esting. In 1966 after the great success at Sebring with the team trophy (wh=
ich I still have) there was serious talk about me setting up a deal at each=
 of the import points of the cars to start a modified line of TR-4A cars ju=
st like the Sebring racers. The engines and suspension of the cars would be=
 exactly as the racers were and all street legal.</div><div><br></div><div>=
=C2=A0But, as the planning was being worked=C2=A0on the=C2=A0huge specter o=
f the emission regulations and the D.O.T. problem coming up so soon put a b=
ig damper on the project in the fear that we&#39;d have cars left over that=
 would not meet the new regulations and thus the plan,=C2=A0it ended up on =
the cutting room floor. Warranty issues were also a sticking point that had=
 not been resolved but not discounted either. The success of the Shelby Mus=
tang and Cobra car=C2=A0programs=C2=A0had been=C2=A0the spark to start this=
 talk. It was a petty exciting time even=C2=A0though it never happened.</di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><p><strong><=
font color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</font></strong></p></d=
iv></div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:39 AM,  <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">rdavis=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,2=
04,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">I had passed the Eba=
y info yesterday to Charles Runyan at the Roadster Factory.He has two of th=
e cars and I think he may have missing one set. Maybe he bought them.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
---- <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">robertten1@aol=
.com</a> wrote:<br>
&gt; Curious,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Did someone on this list purchase them or did some Triumph old timer g=
uru grab them?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Bob T<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Michael Porter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; To: billdentin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 7:39 pm<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that&#39;s something I&#39;ve never seen before=
. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 3/16/2016 1:10 PM,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:billdentin=
@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Agreed!=C2=A0 If nothing else, it would be nice to have just for=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 its rare, historical significance.=C2=A0 But d=
own through the years=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have always wonde=
red why the SABRINA engine never made it=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
into their production cars.=C2=A0 They sure seemed to do their job=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 on the race track, but there must have been iss=
ues why they=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 never went into their normal=
 production cars.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I wonder if Kas or Mike Cook has any take on that.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I imagine they do, but, my first=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 guess would be the overall cost.=C2=A0 At precisely the time tha=
t the=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 American market was expecting lots of chan=
ges year to year,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Triumph was making just a few =
cosmetic changes to control=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 expenses and to addr=
ess manufacturing problems.=C2=A0 It made no=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sen=
se to hang onto an engine the basic design of which dated=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 back to the `30s--which Triumph did=3D=3Dexcept for reasons havi=
ng=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to do with money.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tooling costs, especially for low-vol=
ume producers, are horribly=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 expensive.=C2=A0 Wit=
h talented people and enough time, it&#39;s possible=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 to make a few units in-house without production tooling and come=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 up with something that works reasonably well (this=
 might be why=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the engines had, IIRC, some persis=
tent oil leaks during racing),=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 but translating t=
hat design to production is quite another=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 matter=
.=C2=A0 New castings means new forms, and any changes in the=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 design means changes to production equipment, too--most=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 manufacturers at the time had specially-made gang dri=
lls to=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 drill out the bosses for head bolts in th=
e block and the head,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 etc. (by and large, no CNC=
 machining centers then, especially=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 for small pr=
oducers), and all those had to be redone or adjusted=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 to new tasks.=C2=A0 And all this would have come at the precise time=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that Triumph was just absorbing new tooling cos=
ts for the=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Spitfire and the T<br>
=C2=A0R4. And in that period, early `60s, market=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 conditions were already changing--the trend toward muscle cars=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 in the U.S. certainly had an impact on the sports car=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 market--and emission controls were coming and the =
company was=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 already inching toward receivership =
(wasn&#39;t the first part of=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 S-T turned over to=
 British Leyland in 1968?).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In a way, it was a perfect storm of a=
dverse conditions.=C2=A0 I&#39;m=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sure that S-T s=
ensed a need to make some radical changes, but=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 t=
hey only had the money to make do.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cheers.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Michael Porter<br>
&gt; Roswell, NM<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it&#39;s within walking=
 distance....<br>
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