Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR

From: michael <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:55:53 -0400

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Calls for a different kind of studs
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina mot=
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Subject: RE: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina mot=
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Just a quick comment - the "Sabrina" engine is a complex sandwich held toge=
ther by very long studs. Lots of castings=2C twin cams to worry about and n=
ot much more horsepower than a well-prepared normal TR engine. It might hav=
e earned the factory points for development and up-to-date thinking but it =
would have been expensive to build and service. They were right to stick wi=
th the existing engine and put the money into styling.
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina mot=
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          into their production cars.  They sure seemed to do their job=0A=
          on the race track=2C but there must have been issues why they=0A=
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        Triumph was making just a few cosmetic changes to control=0A=
        expenses and to address manufacturing problems.  It made no=0A=
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        Tooling costs=2C especially for low-volume producers=2C are horribl=
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        the engines had=2C IIRC=2C some persistent oil leaks during racing)=
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        but translating that design to production is quite another=0A=
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Calls for a different kind of st=
uds<br>&nbsp=3B<BR><div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Thu=2C 17 Mar 2016 11=
:33:22 -0400<br>From: [email-masked]<br>To: [email-masked]=3B mdporte=
[email-masked]=3B [email-masked]<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something =
I've never seen before. Sabrina motor carbs for a TR<br><br><font color=3D"=
black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">=0A=
<div>Yeah! I can understand that...but my hang up is I keep thinking about =
Sabrina=2C and Bridget=2C and Gina=2C and Sophia=2C and all those others fr=
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10pt=3B">-----Original Message-----<br>=0A=
From: michael &lt=[email-masked]&gt=3B<br>=0A=
To: Michael Porter &lt=[email-masked]&gt=3B=3B billdentin &lt=3Bbillden=
[email-masked]&gt=3B=3B fot &lt=[email-masked]&gt=3B<br>=0A=
Sent: Thu=2C Mar 17=2C 2016 10:27 am<br>=0A=
Subject: RE: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina mot=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Just a quick comment - the "Sabrina" engine is a complex s=
andwich held together by very long studs.&nbsp=3BLots of castings=2C twin c=
ams to worry about and not much more horsepower than a well-prepared normal=
 TR engine. It might have earned the factory points for development and up-=
to-date thinking but it would have been&nbsp=3Bexpensive to build and servi=
ce. They were right to stick with the existing engine and put the money int=
o styling.<br>=0A=
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[email-masked]</a>=3B <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a><br>=0A=
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Date: Wed=2C 16 Mar 2016 16:20:04 -0600<br>=0A=
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina mot=
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l.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>=0A=
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<div>Agreed!&nbsp=3B If nothing else=2C it would be nice to have just for=
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          its rare=2C historical significance.&nbsp=3B But down through the=
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          I have always wondered why the SABRINA engine never made it=0A=
          into their production cars.&nbsp=3B They sure seemed to do their =
job=0A=
          on the race track=2C but there must have been issues why they=0A=
          never went into their normal production cars.</div>=0A=
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    <font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"arial">I imagine they do=2C but=2C my fi=
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        guess would be the overall cost.&nbsp=3B At precisely the time that=
 the=0A=
        American market was expecting lots of changes year to year=2C=0A=
        Triumph was making just a few cosmetic changes to control=0A=
        expenses and to address manufacturing problems.&nbsp=3B It made no=
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        sense to hang onto an engine the basic design of which dated=0A=
        back to the `30s--which Triumph did=3D=3Dexcept for reasons having=
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        to do with money.&nbsp=3B <br>=0A=
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        <br>=0A=
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        Tooling costs=2C especially for low-volume producers=2C are horribl=
y=0A=
        expensive.&nbsp=3B With talented people and enough time=2C it's pos=
sible=0A=
        to make a few units in-house without production tooling and come=0A=
        up with something that works reasonably well (this might be why=0A=
        the engines had=2C IIRC=2C some persistent oil leaks during racing)=
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        but translating that design to production is quite another=0A=
        matter.&nbsp=3B New castings means new forms=2C and any changes in =
the=0A=
        design means changes to production equipment=2C too--most=0A=
        manufacturers at the time had specially-made gang drills to=0A=
        drill out the bosses for head bolts in the block and the head=2C=0A=
        etc. (by and large=2C no CNC machining centers then=2C especially=
=0A=
        for small producers)=2C and all those had to be redone or adjusted=
=0A=
        to new tasks.&nbsp=3B And all this would have come at the precise t=
ime=0A=
        that Triumph was just absorbing new tooling costs for the=0A=
        Spitfire and the TR4. And in that period=2C early `60s=2C market=0A=
        conditions were already changing--the trend toward muscle cars=0A=
        in the U.S. certainly had an impact on the sports car=0A=
        market--and emission controls were coming and the company was=0A=
        already inching toward receivership (wasn't the first part of=0A=
        S-T turned over to British Leyland in 1968?).&nbsp=3B <br>=0A=
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        <br>=0A=
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        In a way=2C it was a perfect storm of adverse conditions.&nbsp=3B I=
'm=0A=
        sure that S-T sensed a need to make some radical changes=2C but=0A=
        they only had the money to make do.<br>=0A=
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From: Bill <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:25:01 -1000

Impressive skivvies. My favorites were Anouk Aimee, Isabella Rosellini, and Sophia Loren. 

> On Mar 17, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>> Yeah! I can understand that...but my hang up is I keep 
>> thinking about Sabrina, and Bridget, and Gina, and Sophia, 
>> and all those others from that era..
> 
> Who were also expensive, high maintenance, and other than eye candy, not much more useful than stock!
> 
> I attached a couple of old photos, JIC anyone doesn't know who and what we're talking about.
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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:06:51 +0000 (UTC)

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Yep, that's a twin cam, very high lift too.=20

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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>=20
To: "fot" <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 1:15:13 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0motor carbs for a TR=20

> Yeah! I can understand that...but my hang up is I keep=20
> thinking about Sabrina, and Bridget, and Gina, and Sophia,=20
> and all those others from that era..=20

Who were also expensive, high maintenance, and other than eye candy, not mu=
ch more useful than stock!=20

I attached a couple of old photos, JIC anyone doesn't know who and what we'=
re talking about.=20

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<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><DIV aria-label="Compose body">Yep, that's a twin cam, very high lift too.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000; FONT-STYLE: normal" data-mce-style="color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><B>From: </B>"Randall" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>To: </B>"fot" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Sent: </B>Thursday, March 17, 2016 1:15:13 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;motor carbs for a TR<BR>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Who were also expensive, high maintenance, and other than eye candy, not much more useful than stock!<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I attached a couple of old photos, JIC anyone doesn't know who and what we're talking about.<BR>
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From: "Craig Wensley" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 16:30:08 -0400

Dam Randall...That would put your eye out 

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 3:15 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina
motor carbs for a TR

> Yeah! I can understand that...but my hang up is I keep thinking about 
> Sabrina, and Bridget, and Gina, and Sophia, and all those others from 
> that era..

Who were also expensive, high maintenance, and other than eye candy, not
much more useful than stock!

I attached a couple of old photos, JIC anyone doesn't know who and what
we're talking about.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:18:51 +0000 (UTC)

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Gives me a great idea for a pillow. For purely therapeutic reasons of coars=
e.=20
jg=20

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From: "Craig Wensley" <[email-masked]>=20
To: "Randall" <[email-masked]>, "fot" <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 2:30:08 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before.=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Sabrina=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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Dam Randall...That would put your eye out=20

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Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 3:15 PM=20
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina=20
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> Yeah! I can understand that...but my hang up is I keep thinking about=20
> Sabrina, and Bridget, and Gina, and Sophia, and all those others from=20
> that era..=20

Who were also expensive, high maintenance, and other than eye candy, not=20
much more useful than stock!=20

I attached a couple of old photos, JIC anyone doesn't know who and what=20
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<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><DIV>Gives me a great idea for a pillow. For purely therapeutic reasons of coarse.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>jg</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000; FONT-STYLE: normal"><B>From: </B>"Craig Wensley" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>To: </B>"Randall" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;, "fot" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Sent: </B>Thursday, March 17, 2016 2:30:08 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sabrina&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;motor carbs for a TR<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dam Randall...That would put your eye out <BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Randall<BR>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 3:15 PM<BR>To: [email-masked]<BR>Subject: Re: [Fot] Now that's something I've never seen before. Sabrina<BR>motor carbs for a TR<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>&gt; Yeah! I can understand that...but my hang up is I keep thinking about <BR>&gt; Sabrina, and Bridget, and Gina, and Sophia, and all those others from <BR>&gt; that era..<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Who were also expensive, high maintenance, and other than eye candy, not<BR>much more useful than stock!<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I attached a couple of old photos, JIC anyone doesn't know who and what<BR>we're talking about.<BR>
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