Subject: Re: [Fot] Floor jack

From: Dean Tetterton <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:36:30 -0400

Bought a Sears 1/2 ton floor jack over 30 years ago and still use it. Not light weight
but I don't carry it I roll it. Never been repaired and lets down as slow as you want to
and will stay up for days at the time. I have never bought cheap tools and have lots 
of old ones. My son will get to use them. 

Dean T.
You guys have fun in CA. 

On Mar 28, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after about ten years.  Before I buy another one, any other recommendations, or ones to stay away from?  I'm looking for light weight and a fair price - will pay something extra for quality if there's a good argument for it.
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I still have my Sears floor jack I bought 35 years ago.  However, it's =
way too heavy to take on racing weekends and I don't even use it much in =
the garage - just takes too much effort to move around compared to the =
light weight one.  I'd consider paying more for a good light weight one, =
if it really is superior in quality.  Certainly not an item I want to =
have fail while in use!

On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Dean Tetterton wrote:

Bought a Sears 1/2 ton floor jack over 30 years ago and still use it. =
Not light weight
but I don't carry it I roll it. Never been repaired and lets down as =
slow as you want to
and will stay up for days at the time. I have never bought cheap tools =
and have lots=20
of old ones. My son will get to use them.=20

Dean T.
You guys have fun in CA.=20

On Mar 28, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> My Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after about ten years.  =
Before I buy another one, any other recommendations, or ones to stay =
away from?  I'm looking for light weight and a fair price - will pay =
something extra for quality if there's a good argument for it.
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still have my Sears floor jack I bought 35 years ago. &nbsp;However, =
it's way too heavy to take on racing weekends and I don't even use it =
much in the garage - just takes too much effort to move around compared =
to the light weight one. &nbsp;I'd consider paying more for a good light =
weight one, if it really is superior in quality. &nbsp;Certainly not an =
item I want to have fail while in use!<div><br><div><div>On Mar 28, =
2016, at 10:36 AM, Dean Tetterton wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div>Bought a Sears 1/2 ton floor =
jack over 30 years ago and still use it. Not light weight<br>but I don't =
carry it I roll it. Never been repaired and lets down as slow as you =
want to<br>and will stay up for days at the time. I have never bought =
cheap tools and have lots <br>of old ones. My son will get to use them. =
<br><br>Dean T.<br>You guys have fun in CA. <br><br><br><br>On Mar 28, =
2016, at 9:46 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">My =
Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after about ten years. =
&nbsp;Before I buy another one, any other recommendations, or ones to =
stay away from? &nbsp;I'm looking for light weight and a fair price - =
will pay something extra for quality if there's a good argument for =
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From: "Bill Tobin" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 11:24:37 -0400

I bought a decent Sears Craftsman aluminum "racing" jack 10 years ago and it 
still works great.
Life's too short to but cheap tools.
I did buy out a local hardware store's supply of hand tools recently. They 
are changing from their house brand, Do It Best, to Channellock, which is 
located 15 miles down the road in Meadville.
I have a whole set for sale, 1/2, 3/8, and 1/4 drives. Deep and shallow 
sockets, ratchets. Wrenches. Standard and metric. Nice stuff and it's for 
sale. If interested give me a shout. Very reasonable.
I went to an auction Sat and bought a whole set of Wizard sockets and 
ratchets in the original box. Sold by Western Auto in the old days. USA 
built and decent. I love the old stuff! I also have an old set of Sherman 
Klove tools too.
Cheers, Bill----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Tetterton" <[email-masked]>
To: "Scott Janzen" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Floor jack

>> My Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after about ten years. 
>> Before I buy another one, any other recommendations, or ones to stay away 
>> from?  I'm looking for light weight and a fair price - will pay something 
>> extra for quality if there's a good argument for it.
>>
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From: "Barr, Scott" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:50:59 +0000

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I'm with you, Scott.  I interpret your original question as "which jacks ar=
e good enough for the money", rather than "which jacks are best and will be=
 a family heirloom?"

I, too, have a couple of really nice Craftsman floor jacks which are all I =
use around the shop.  The bigger one weighs 95 pounds and is just too unwie=
ldy to horse around for a race weekend (and the smaller one is too small to=
 be my only jack at the track).  I recently bought a Harbor Freight (Horrib=
le Fright?) jack which might not be as reliable, but is more useful.   And =
I have (and use) jack stands just in case it decides to become unreliable w=
hile I am underneath the car.  If it lasts 10 years before it goes south, I=
'll be satisfied with that.

Scott B.

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 9:39 AM
To: Dean Tetterton <[email-masked]>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Floor jack

I still have my Sears floor jack I bought 35 years ago.  However, it's way =
too heavy to take on racing weekends and I don't even use it much in the ga=
rage - just takes too much effort to move around compared to the light weig=
ht one.  I'd consider paying more for a good light weight one, if it really=
 is superior in quality.  Certainly not an item I want to have fail while i=
n use!

Bought a Sears 1/2 ton floor jack over 30 years ago and still use it. Not l=
ight weight
but I don't carry it I roll it. Never been repaired and lets down as slow a=
s you want to
and will stay up for days at the time. I have never bought cheap tools and =
have lots
of old ones. My son will get to use them.

Dean T.
You guys have fun in CA.

My Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after about ten years.  Before=
 I buy another one, any other recommendations, or ones to stay away from?  =
I'm looking for light weight and a fair price - will pay something extra fo=
r quality if there's a good argument for it.

n.net

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m with you, Scott.&nbsp; I in=
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e money&#8221;, rather than &#8220;which jacks are best and will be a famil=
y
 heirloom?&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I, too, have a couple of really nice =
Craftsman floor jacks which are all I use around the shop.&nbsp; The bigger=
 one weighs 95 pounds and is just too unwieldy to horse
 around for a race weekend (and the smaller one is too small to be my only =
jack at the track). &nbsp;I recently bought a Harbor Freight (Horrible Frig=
ht?) jack which might not be as reliable, but is more useful.&nbsp;&nbsp; A=
nd I have (and use) jack stands just in case it
 decides to become unreliable while I am underneath the car.&nbsp; If it la=
sts 10 years before it goes south, I&#8217;ll be satisfied with that.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scott B.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.=
team.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Janzen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 28, 2016 9:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dean Tetterton &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Floor jack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I still have my Sears floor jack I bought 35 years a=
go. &nbsp;However, it's way too heavy to take on racing weekends and I don'=
t even use it much in the garage - just takes too much effort to move aroun=
d compared to the light weight one. &nbsp;I'd
 consider paying more for a good light weight one, if it really is superior=
 in quality. &nbsp;Certainly not an item I want to have fail while in use!<=
o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bought a Sears 1/2 ton floor jack over 30 years ago =
and still use it. Not light weight<br>
but I don't carry it I roll it. Never been repaired and lets down as slow a=
s you want to<br>
and will stay up for days at the time. I have never bought cheap tools and =
have lots
<br>
of old ones. My son will get to use them. <br>
<br>
Dean T.<br>
You guys have fun in CA. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mar 28, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Scott Janzen wrote:<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after a=
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or ones to stay away from? &nbsp;I'm looking for light weight and a fair pr=
ice - will pay something extra for quality if
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I purchased a Sears aluminum floor jack about 5 years ago.  It started
leaking after a few months, took it back and got no satisfaction.  I also
talked to a local shop that repairs and sells hydraulics.  He said none of
the new jacks use the older, more expensive cup type seals and they all use
O-rings to seal.  You can replace the O-rings but if the bores are made
cheaply they won't last either.  After the Sears experience I bought a
$59.99 Harbor Freight Aluminum Racing Jack.  It has served us well with no
problems.

I agree with Scott Barr, get the Harbor Freight jack and ALWAYS use jack
stands no matter where or what jack you use.  All the jacks now are made
"cheaply" and are meant to be replaced, not repaired.  I also have a heavy
shop jack that I bought 40 years ago made by Hein Werner that I have had
repaired twice when the good cup seals got worn.  It's still going strong!

Tim

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 8:46 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Fot] Floor jack

My Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after about ten years.  Before
I buy another one, any other recommendations, or ones to stay away from?
I'm looking for light weight and a fair price - will pay something extra for
quality if there's a good argument for it.

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satisfaction.&nbsp; I also talked to a local shop that repairs and sells =
hydraulics.&nbsp; He said none of the new jacks use the older, more =
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replace the O-rings but if the bores are made cheaply they won&#8217;t =
last either.&nbsp; After the Sears experience I bought a $59.99 Harbor =
Freight Aluminum Racing Jack.&nbsp; It has served us well with no =
problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
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>I agree with Scott Barr, get the Harbor Freight jack and ALWAYS use =
jack stands no matter where or what jack you use.&nbsp; All the jacks =
now are made &#8220;cheaply&#8221; and are meant to be replaced, not =
repaired.&nbsp; I also have a heavy shop jack that I bought 40 years ago =
made by Hein Werner that I have had repaired twice when the good cup =
seals got worn.&nbsp; It&#8217;s still going =
strong!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
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/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott =
Janzen<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 28, 2016 8:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Friends of Triumph' Triumph =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Floor =
jack<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My Harbor =
Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after about ten years. &nbsp;Before I =
buy another one, any other recommendations, or ones to stay away from? =
&nbsp;I'm looking for light weight and a fair price - will pay something =
extra for quality if there's a good argument for =
it.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
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From: "Rocky Entriken" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:30:44 -0500

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Bought me a cheap floor jack from WalMart for my Spitfire. One I bought =
many years ago had a lifting brace only on one side and was rated IIRC =
at 2000 pounds. Finally the brace gave way. The WalMart replacement had =
braces on both sides and would lift 3500 pounds =E2=80=93 including my =
wife=E2=80=99s car (Kia Rondo) or my trailer with the race car on it. =
Downside, doesn=E2=80=99t quite get low enough to get under the car, =
solved with simple ramps built from a stack of 1x6s. Key factor =
=E2=80=93 in my garage the nifty Harbor Freight jacks don=E2=80=99t work =
because there isn=E2=80=99t room to swing that loooong handle, while the =
WalMart jack has this little short handle (yeah it takes 40 pumps to =
reach fully-up, but I don=E2=80=99t need NASCAR pitstop speed). And =
it=E2=80=99s small enough and light enough to fit snugly in my tow =
vehicle.=20

--Rocky Entriken

From: Scott Janzen=20
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 8:46 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph=20
Subject: [Fot] Floor jack

My Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after about ten years.  =
Before I buy another one, any other recommendations, or ones to stay =
away from?  I'm looking for light weight and a fair price - will pay =
something extra for quality if there's a good argument for it.=20

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<DIV>Bought me a cheap floor jack from WalMart for my Spitfire. One I =
bought=20
many years ago had a lifting brace only on one side and was rated IIRC =
at 2000=20
pounds. Finally the brace gave way. The WalMart replacement had braces =
on both=20
sides and would lift 3500 pounds =E2=80=93 including my wife=E2=80=99s =
car (Kia Rondo) or my=20
trailer with the race car on it. Downside, doesn=E2=80=99t quite get low =
enough to get=20
under the car, solved with simple ramps built from a stack of 1x6s. Key =
factor =E2=80=93=20
in my garage the nifty Harbor Freight jacks don=E2=80=99t work because =
there isn=E2=80=99t room=20
to swing that loooong handle, while the WalMart jack has this little =
short=20
handle (yeah it takes 40 pumps to reach fully-up, but I don=E2=80=99t =
need NASCAR=20
pitstop speed). And it=E2=80=99s small enough and light enough to fit =
snugly in my tow=20
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Scott Janzen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 28, 2016 8:46 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Friends of Triumph' Triumph</A> =
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Fot] Floor jack</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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DISPLAY: inline'>My=20
Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up after about ten years.&nbsp; =
Before I=20
buy another one, any other recommendations, or ones to stay away =
from?&nbsp; I'm=20
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quality=20
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From: "Spitfire Racing" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:47:06 -0400

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My toolboxes are filled with Craftsman hand tools all purchased  over =
20+ years ago. I just recently bought a couple of new Craftsman =
3/8=E2=80=9D ratchet wrenches and they are definitely of a lesser =
quality. Made in China to start with and as many parts as they could =
possibly reduce in size they did. When you think back to all the =
American made high quality tools we could choose from in the past this =
is now a sad state of affairs. It must be part of the aging process but =
I believe things were built to last 30 years ago and most things were =
not built to be disposable.

Be very cautious with tool purchases. We had a fellow in one of the =
local car clubs killed a number of years back when the jack and a =
jackstand supporting his Chevy failed dropping the car on him. The =
dollars he saved buying a cheap knockoff were little consolation to his =
widow and kids. Value your health and safety as much as those you would =
leave behind would.=20

=20

Choose wisely!

=20

Russ

Spitfire #49

=20

=20

=20

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
[email-masked]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 11:41 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] Floor jack

=20

Scott...

=20

While I subscribe to Dean's position as well, especially the willingness =
to allow for quality in the purchase decision.  An issue is will the =
jack you buy from Sears today be as good as the one Dean bought from =
Sears thirty years ago.  A fly in the ointment is poor Sears and many =
others like them have been cutting corners in an effort to compete with =
the 'looks good cheapo stuff' on the market.  Shirley and I have been =
buying Kenmore appliances from Sears since 1959.  That old stuff used to =
work with no problems whatsoever for decades.  Much of the new stuff =
comes with a six month guarantee.  The sales clerks are quick to add, =
"You should really consider buying a Owner's Warranty policy.  It's a =
good idea".  We're on a first name basis with our kitchen home appliance =
repair man.  We share a, "They don't build them like they used to...." =
philosophy.  Of course from his side of the table...that's not a bad =
thing.

=20

Hopefully others who have purchased jacks more recently can chime in =
with their experience.

=20

Bill Dentinger

 =20

-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Tetterton <[email-masked]>
To: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2016 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Floor jack

Dean T.

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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My toolboxes are filled with Craftsman hand tools all purchased=C2=A0 =
over 20+ years ago. I just recently bought a couple of new Craftsman =
3/8=E2=80=9D ratchet wrenches and they are definitely of a lesser =
quality. Made in China to start with and as many parts as they could =
possibly reduce in size they did. When you think back to all the =
American made high quality tools we could choose from in the past this =
is now a sad state of affairs. It must be part of the aging process but =
I believe things were built to last 30 years ago and most things were =
not built to be disposable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Be very cautious with tool purchases. We had a fellow in one of the =
local car clubs killed a number of years back when the jack and a =
jackstand supporting his Chevy failed dropping the car on him. The =
dollars he saved buying a cheap knockoff were little consolation to his =
widow and kids. Value your health and safety as much as those you would =
leave behind would. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Russ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Spitfire #49<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 28, 2016 11:41 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Floor =
jack<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>S=
cott...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
hile I subscribe to Dean's position as well, especially the willingness =
to allow for quality in the purchase decision.&nbsp; An issue is will =
the jack you buy from Sears today be as good as the one Dean bought from =
Sears thirty years ago.&nbsp; A fly in the ointment is poor Sears and =
many others like them&nbsp;have been cutting corners in an effort to =
compete with the 'looks good cheapo stuff' on the market.&nbsp; Shirley =
and I have been buying Kenmore appliances from Sears since 1959.&nbsp; =
That old stuff used to work&nbsp;with no problems whatsoever&nbsp;for =
decades.&nbsp; Much of the&nbsp;new stuff comes with a six month =
guarantee.&nbsp; The&nbsp;sales clerks are quick to add, &quot;You =
should really consider buying a&nbsp;Owner's Warranty policy.&nbsp; It's =
a good idea&quot;.&nbsp; We're on a first name basis with our kitchen =
home appliance repair man.&nbsp; We share a, &quot;They don't build them =
like they used to....&quot; philosophy.&nbsp; Of course from his side of =
the table...that's not a bad thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>H=
opefully others who have purchased jacks more recently can chime in with =
their experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
ill Dentinger<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
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----Original Message-----<br>From: Dean Tetterton &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: =
Scott Janzen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc=
: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: =
Mon, Mar 28, 2016 10:08 am<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Floor =
jack<br><br>Bought a Sears 1/2 ton floor jack over 30 years ago and =
still use it. Not light weight<br>but I don't carry it I roll it. Never =
been repaired and lets down as slow as you want to<br>and will stay up =
for days at the time. I have never bought cheap tools and have lots =
<br>of old ones. My son will get to use them. <br><br>Dean T.<br>You =
guys have fun in CA. <br><br><br><br>On Mar 28, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Scott =
Janzen wrote:<br><br>&gt; My Harbor Freight 3,000 lb jack just gave up =
after about ten years. Before I buy another one, any other =
recommendations, or ones to stay away from? I'm looking for light weight =
and a fair price - will pay something extra for quality if there's a =
good argument for it.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
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Make sure to check the profile height of the jack before you buy.  Steel
jacks seem to have the lowest profile but are heavy.  The lowest profile I
have found is the 2.5 T HF steel jack at 2.75".  But my lightweight
aluminum jack won't fit under the car without first driving on some risers.
Rapid pump is also a plus.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Mak=
e sure to check the profile height of the jack before you buy.=C2=A0 Steel =
jacks seem to have the lowest profile but are heavy.=C2=A0 The lowest profi=
le I have found is the 2.5 T HF steel jack at 2.75&quot;.=C2=A0 But my ligh=
tweight aluminum jack won&#39;t fit under the car without first driving on =
some risers. Rapid pump is also a plus.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Scott Ja=
nzen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
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s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">My Harbor Freight 3,000 =
lb jack just gave up after about ten years.=C2=A0 Before I buy another one,=
 any other recommendations, or ones to stay away from?=C2=A0 I&#39;m lookin=
g for light weight and a fair price - will pay something extra for quality =
if there&#39;s a good argument for it.<div><br></div></div><br>____________=
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