Subject: Re: [Fot] Different Tr3/4 sleeve design

From: Joe Alexander <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 15:50:39 -0600

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Absolutely brilliant!

Joe Alexander
645 1st Street
Jesup, IA 50648
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711

> On Mar 5, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Mordy Dunst <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I've been thinking about the tr tractor motor sleeve/liner for a while -es=
pecially after a liner  cracked during a race. =20
> Went to the drawing board (autcad) and put some of my thoughts in a digita=
l cad  format. =20
> The owner of  LA sleeve cleaned up my drawing a bit and I am glad to see t=
hat the project is completed.
>=20
> Some comments - some surprising.
> 1) each liner is about 200 gm lighter than stock. The liner is shortened t=
o be the same   Dimension as the depth of the pocket in the block.=20
> 2) it is substantially stiffer than stock and holds machining tolerances m=
uch better.
> 3) the .040" groove is .035" deep to accept a .040" wire. (Square wire or r=
ound)
> 4) the wire groove on the surface may not need a wire -as the edges on eit=
her side  in the groove impart an increased unit surface pressure on the gas=
ket.  The gasket will dimple into this recess and lock.=20
> 5) there is only a single flat on opposing liners.  My understanding of ha=
ving multiple flats was to rotate and hone the liners during engine/tractor r=
ebuilds. =20
> 6) cooling efficiency not tested.
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> Triple R Munitions, Inc
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Absolutely brilliant!<br><br>Joe Alexa=
nder<div>645 1st Street</div><div>Jesup, IA 50648</div><div><a href=3D"http:=
//The-vintage-racer.com">The-vintage-racer.com</a></div><div><a href=3D"http=
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9.464.4711</div></div><div><br>On Mar 5, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Mordy Dunst &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>I've been thinking about the tr t=
ractor motor sleeve/liner for a while -especially after a liner &nbsp;cracke=
d&nbsp;during a race. &nbsp;<br>Went to the drawing board (autcad) and put s=
ome of my thoughts in a digital cad&nbsp;&nbsp;format. &nbsp;<div>The owner o=
f &nbsp;LA sleeve cleaned up my drawing a bit and I am glad to see that&nbsp=
;the project is completed.</div><div><br></div><div>Some&nbsp;comments - som=
e surprising.</div><div>1) each liner is about 200 gm lighter than stock. Th=
e liner is shortened to be the same &nbsp; Dimension&nbsp;as the depth of th=
e pocket in the block.&nbsp;<br>2) it is substantially stiffer than stock an=
d holds&nbsp;machining tolerances much better.</div><div>3) the .040" groove=
 is .035" deep to accept a .040" wire. (Square wire or round)</div><div>4) t=
he wire&nbsp;groove&nbsp;on the surface may not need a wire -as the edges on=
 either side&nbsp;&nbsp;in&nbsp;the groove impart&nbsp;an increased unit sur=
face pressure on the gasket. &nbsp;The gasket will dimple into this recess a=
nd lock.&nbsp;</div><div>5) there is only a single flat on opposing liners. &=
nbsp;My understanding of having multiple flats was to rotate and hone the&nb=
sp;liners during engine/tractor&nbsp;rebuilds. &nbsp;</div><div>6) cooling e=
fficiency not tested.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div id=3D"__aol_mail_sig=
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From: "Peter Vucinic" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 10:43:04 +1100

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Wow! That=E2=80=99s looks great Mordy! Well done.

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mordy Dunst
Sent: Sunday, 6 March 2016 8:35 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Fot] Different Tr3/4 sleeve design

=20

I've been thinking about the tr tractor motor sleeve/liner for a while =
-especially after a liner  cracked during a race. =20
Went to the drawing board (autcad) and put some of my thoughts in a =
digital cad  format. =20

The owner of  LA sleeve cleaned up my drawing a bit and I am glad to see =
that the project is completed.

=20

1) each liner is about 200 gm lighter than stock. The liner is shortened =
to be the same   Dimension as the depth of the pocket in the block.=20
2) it is substantially stiffer than stock and holds machining tolerances =
much better.

3) the .040" groove is .035" deep to accept a .040" wire. (Square wire =
or round)

4) the wire groove on the surface may not need a wire -as the edges on =
either side  in the groove impart an increased unit surface pressure on =
the gasket.  The gasket will dimple into this recess and lock.=20

5) there is only a single flat on opposing liners.  My understanding of =
having multiple flats was to rotate and hone the liners during =
engine/tractor rebuilds. =20

=20

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MDunst
Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 T
626.628.3777 F
Triple R Munitions, Inc
626.201.9471 T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2

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Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mordy =
Dunst<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 6 March 2016 8:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Different Tr3/4 sleeve =
design<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I've been thinking about the tr tractor =
motor sleeve/liner for a while -especially after a liner =
&nbsp;cracked&nbsp;during a race. &nbsp;<br>Went to the drawing board =
(autcad) and put some of my thoughts in a digital cad&nbsp;&nbsp;format. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>The owner of &nbsp;LA sleeve cleaned up my =
drawing a bit and I am glad to see that&nbsp;the project is =
completed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Some&nbsp;comments - some =
surprising.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>1) each liner is about 200 gm lighter than =
stock. The liner is shortened to be the same &nbsp; Dimension&nbsp;as =
the depth of the pocket in the block.&nbsp;<br>2) it is substantially =
stiffer than stock and holds&nbsp;machining tolerances much =
better.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>3) the .040&quot; groove is .035&quot; deep =
to accept a .040&quot; wire. (Square wire or =
round)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>4) the wire&nbsp;groove&nbsp;on the surface =
may not need a wire -as the edges on either side&nbsp;&nbsp;in&nbsp;the =
groove impart&nbsp;an increased unit surface pressure on the gasket. =
&nbsp;The gasket will dimple into this recess and =
lock.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>5) there is only a single flat on opposing =
liners. &nbsp;My understanding of having multiple flats was to rotate =
and hone the&nbsp;liners during engine/tractor&nbsp;rebuilds. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>6) cooling efficiency not =
tested.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
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href=3D"tel:626.358.1616">626.358.1616</a> T<br><a =
href=3D"tel:626.628.3777">626.628.3777</a> F<br>Triple R Munitions, =
Inc<br><a href=3D"tel:626.201.9471">626.201.9471</a> T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT =
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From: John Styduhar <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 09:41:49 -0500

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Hi Mordy, I like your design and the amount of material you have at the top
of the liner in case you want to shorten the liners. I wonder if the wire
groove would be interfered with after you cut the intake valve relief in
the top of the liner.  What sizes are you going to make?

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Mordy Dunst <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I've been thinking about the tr tractor motor sleeve/liner for a while
> -especially after a liner  cracked during a race.
> Went to the drawing board (autcad) and put some of my thoughts in a
> digital cad  format.
> The owner of  LA sleeve cleaned up my drawing a bit and I am glad to see
> 1) each liner is about 200 gm lighter than stock. The liner is shortened
> to be the same   Dimension as the depth of the pocket in the block.
> 2) it is substantially stiffer than stock and holds machining tolerances
> much better.
> 3) the .040" groove is .035" deep to accept a .040" wire. (Square wire or
> round)
> 4) the wire groove on the surface may not need a wire -as the edges on
> either side  in the groove impart an increased unit surface pressure on the
> gasket.  The gasket will dimple into this recess and lock.
> 5) there is only a single flat on opposing liners.  My understanding of
> having multiple flats was to rotate and hone the liners during
> engine/tractor rebuilds.
> Headgasket.com <http://headgasket.com>
> 626.358.1616 T
> 626.628.3777 F
> Triple R Munitions, Inc
> 626.201.9471 T
> FFL 6,7 SOT 2
>
>
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Hi =
Mordy, I like your design and the amount of material you have at the top of=
 the liner in case you want to shorten the liners. I wonder if the wire gro=
ove would be interfered with after you cut the intake valve relief in the t=
op of the liner.=C2=A0 What sizes are you going to make?</div></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4=
:34 PM, Mordy Dunst <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gasket.works@gt=
e.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">I&#39;ve been thinking about the tr tractor moto=
r sleeve/liner for a while -especially after a liner =C2=A0cracked=C2=A0dur=
ing a race. =C2=A0<br>Went to the drawing board (autcad) and put some of my=
 thoughts in a digital cad=C2=A0=C2=A0format. =C2=A0<div>The owner of =C2=
=A0LA sleeve cleaned up my drawing a bit and I am glad to see that=C2=A0the=
 project is completed.</div><div><br></div><div>Some=C2=A0comments - some s=
urprising.</div><div>1) each liner is about 200 gm lighter than stock. The =
liner is shortened to be the same =C2=A0 Dimension=C2=A0as the depth of the=
 pocket in the block.=C2=A0<br>2) it is substantially stiffer than stock an=
d holds=C2=A0machining tolerances much better.</div><div>3) the .040&quot; =
groove is .035&quot; deep to accept a .040&quot; wire. (Square wire or roun=
d)</div><div>4) the wire=C2=A0groove=C2=A0on the surface may not need a wir=
e -as the edges on either side=C2=A0=C2=A0in=C2=A0the groove impart=C2=A0an=
 increased unit surface pressure on the gasket.=C2=A0 The gasket will dimpl=
e into this recess and lock.=C2=A0</div><div>5) there is only a single flat=
 on opposing liners.=C2=A0 My understanding of having multiple flats was to=
 rotate and hone the=C2=A0liners during engine/tractor=C2=A0rebuilds. =C2=
=A0</div><div>6) cooling efficiency not tested.</div><div><br></div><div><b=
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From: "MadMarx" <[email-masked]>
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Fantastic design.

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] Im Auftrag von Mordy Dunst
Gesendet: Samstag, 5. M=C3=A4rz 2016 22:35
An: [email-masked]
Betreff: [Fot] Different Tr3/4 sleeve design

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Fantastic design.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Mordy =
Dunst<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 5. M=C3=A4rz 2016 22:35<br><b>An:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> [Fot] Different Tr3/4 sleeve =
design<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I've been =
thinking about the tr tractor motor sleeve/liner for a while -especially =
after a liner &nbsp;cracked&nbsp;during a race. &nbsp;<br>Went to the =
drawing board (autcad) and put some of my thoughts in a digital =
cad&nbsp;&nbsp;format. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The owner of &nbsp;LA sleeve cleaned up my drawing a =
bit and I am glad to see that&nbsp;the project is =
completed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Some&nbsp;comments - some =
surprising.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>1) each liner =
is about 200 gm lighter than stock. The liner is shortened to be the =
same &nbsp; Dimension&nbsp;as the depth of the pocket in the =
block.&nbsp;<br>2) it is substantially stiffer than stock and =
holds&nbsp;machining tolerances much better.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>3) the .040&quot; groove is .035&quot; deep to accept =
a .040&quot; wire. (Square wire or round)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>4) the wire&nbsp;groove&nbsp;on the surface may not =
need a wire -as the edges on either side&nbsp;&nbsp;in&nbsp;the groove =
impart&nbsp;an increased unit surface pressure on the gasket. &nbsp;The =
gasket will dimple into this recess and =
lock.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>5) there is =
only a single flat on opposing liners. &nbsp;My understanding of having =
multiple flats was to rotate and hone the&nbsp;liners during =
engine/tractor&nbsp;rebuilds. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>6) cooling efficiency not =
tested.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
id=3D"__aol_mail_signature__"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>MDunst<br><a =
href=3D"http://headgasket.com">Headgasket.com</a><br><a =
href=3D"tel:626.358.1616">626.358.1616</a> T<br><a =
href=3D"tel:626.628.3777">626.628.3777</a> F<br>Triple R Munitions, =
Inc<br><a href=3D"tel:626.201.9471">626.201.9471</a> T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT =
2<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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