Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Steering arm pic

From: Stephen Borowski <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:52:24 -0500

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Hello All,
Ok for you Mechanical Engineers, Which steering arm should I use for my =
TR4 race car? As you can see from the attached picture one steering arm =
is longer than the other. I believe the one bolted to the car is from a =
TR6 and the other resting on top (to show the length difference) is from =
some other Triumph. I understand the shorter arm would result in quicker =
action but would it induce some type of unwanted condition? The Tie Rod =
end would be just aft of the brake disk leading edge=E2=80=A6 FYI I am =
using the Quick Ratio Rack.

On another subject but related. When using the stock steering rack frame =
mounts, the Tie Rods coming out of the rack end up angled forward =
towards the front of the car. Im not talking about level of the tie rod, =
i.e., straight with the rack as this does affect Bump Steer. So if i was =
to use the forward mounting holes (don=E2=80=99t use the rear holes) and =
add an additional plate thus moving the complete rack forward about one =
inch, the angle of the tie rods would be straight to the steering arm =
does this improve performance?

Thanks for your comments.

Steve B.
Florida TR4 Race Car

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class=3D"">Hello All,<div class=3D"">Ok for you Mechanical Engineers, =
Which steering arm should I use for my TR4 race car? As you can see from =
the attached picture one steering arm is longer than the other. I =
believe the one bolted to the car is from a TR6 and the other resting on =
top (to show the length difference) is from some other Triumph. I =
understand the shorter arm would result in quicker action but would it =
induce some type of unwanted condition? The Tie Rod end would be just =
aft of the brake disk leading edge=E2=80=A6 FYI I am using the Quick =
Ratio Rack.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">On =
another subject but related. When using the stock steering rack <u =
class=3D"">frame mounts,</u> the Tie Rods coming out of the rack end up =
angled forward towards the front of the car. Im not talking about level =
of the tie rod, i.e., straight with the rack as this does affect Bump =
Steer. So if i was to use the forward mounting holes (don=E2=80=99t use =
the rear holes) and add an additional plate thus moving the complete =
rack forward about one inch, the angle of the tie rods would be straight =
to the steering arm does this improve performance?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks for your =
comments.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Steve =
B.</div><div class=3D"">Florida TR4 Race Car</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br =
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From: Stephen Borowski <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 20:03:42 -0500

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> From: Steve Borowski <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Steering arm pic
> Date: February 28, 2016 at 5:24:40 PM EST
> To: Stephen Borowski <[email-masked]>
> 
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From: John Styduhar <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 08:14:35 -0500

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I thought the longer steering arm was from a TR4A-6.  The TR4 used the
shorter A arm which came in two different versions depending on whether or
not there was caster in the vertical link.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Stephen Borowski <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Hello All,
> Ok for you Mechanical Engineers, Which steering arm should I use for my
> TR4 race car? As you can see from the attached picture one steering arm i=
s
> longer than the other. I believe the one bolted to the car is from a TR6
> and the other resting on top (to show the length difference) is from some
> other Triumph. I understand the shorter arm would result in quicker actio=
n
> but would it induce some type of unwanted condition? The Tie Rod end woul=
d
> be just aft of the brake disk leading edge=E2=80=A6 FYI I am using the Qu=
ick Ratio
> Rack.
>
> On another subject but related. When using the stock steering rack *frame
> mounts,* the Tie Rods coming out of the rack end up angled forward
> towards the front of the car. Im not talking about level of the tie rod,
to
> use the forward mounting holes (don=E2=80=99t use the rear holes) and add=
 an
> additional plate thus moving the complete rack forward about one inch, th=
e
> angle of the tie rods would be straight to the steering arm does this
> improve performance?
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I t=
hought the longer steering arm was from a TR4A-6.=C2=A0 The TR4 used the sh=
orter A arm which came in two different versions depending on whether or no=
t there was caster in the vertical link.=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:52 PM, S=
tephen Borowski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hello All,<div>O=
k for you Mechanical Engineers, Which steering arm should I use for my TR4 =
race car? As you can see from the attached picture one steering arm is long=
er than the other. I believe the one bolted to the car is from a TR6 and th=
e other resting on top (to show the length difference) is from some other T=
riumph. I understand the shorter arm would result in quicker action but wou=
ld it induce some type of unwanted condition? The Tie Rod end would be just=
 aft of the brake disk leading edge=E2=80=A6 FYI I am using the Quick Ratio=
 Rack.</div><div><br></div><div>On another subject but related. When using =
the stock steering rack <u>frame mounts,</u> the Tie Rods coming out of the=
 rack end up angled forward towards the front of the car. Im not talking ab=
out level of the tie rod, i.e., straight with the rack as this does affect =
Bump Steer. So if i was to use the forward mounting holes (don=E2=80=99t us=
e the rear holes) and add an additional plate thus moving the complete rack=
 forward about one inch, the angle of the tie rods would be straight to the=
 steering arm does this improve performance?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank=
s for your comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Steve B.</div><div>Florida TR=
4 Race Car</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
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From: Joe Alexander <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 08:19:22 -0700

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Steve, quick ratios racks have been known to fail. Several of us witnessed t=
his failure at Eagles Canyon.

You should research this thoroughly. If I had one I would look at modifying i=
t to prevent the failure, but many are just not using them.

Regards,

Joe Alexander
645 1st Street
Jesup, IA 50648
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Stephen Borowski <[email-masked]> wrote=
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> Hello All,
> Ok for you Mechanical Engineers, Which steering arm should I use for my TR=
4 race car? As you can see from the attached picture one steering arm is lon=
ger than the other. I believe the one bolted to the car is from a TR6 and th=
e other resting on top (to show the length difference) is from some other Tr=
iumph. I understand the shorter arm would result in quicker action but would=
 it induce some type of unwanted condition? The Tie Rod end would be just af=
t of the brake disk leading edge=E2=80=A6 FYI I am using the Quick Ratio Rac=
k.
>=20
> On another subject but related. When using the stock steering rack frame m=
ounts, the Tie Rods coming out of the rack end up angled forward towards the=
 front of the car. Im not talking about level of the tie rod, i.e., straight=
 with the rack as this does affect Bump Steer. So if i was to use the forwar=
d mounting holes (don=E2=80=99t use the rear holes) and add an additional pl=
ate thus moving the complete rack forward about one inch, the angle of the t=
ie rods would be straight to the steering arm does this improve performance?=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Steve, quick ratios racks have been kn=
own to fail. Several of us witnessed this failure at Eagles Canyon.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>You should research this thoroughly. If I had one I would l=
ook at modifying it to prevent the failure, but many are just not using them=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br><br>Joe Alexander<div>645 1st Street<=
/div><div>Jesup, IA 50648</div><div><a href=3D"http://The-vintage-racer.com"=
>The-vintage-racer.com</a></div><div><a href=3D"http://Gasketinnovations.com=
">Gasketinnovations.com</a></div><div>Cell: &nbsp;319.464.4711</div></div><d=
iv><br>On Feb 28, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Stephen Borowski &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:b=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><block=
quote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/h=
tml charset=3Dutf-8">Hello All,<div class=3D"">Ok for you Mechanical Enginee=
rs, Which steering arm should I use for my TR4 race car? As you can see from=
 the attached picture one steering arm is longer than the other. I believe t=
he one bolted to the car is from a TR6 and the other resting on top (to show=
 the length difference) is from some other Triumph. I understand the shorter=
 arm would result in quicker action but would it induce some type of unwante=
d condition? The Tie Rod end would be just aft of the brake disk leading edg=
e=E2=80=A6 FYI I am using the Quick Ratio Rack.</div><div class=3D""><br cla=
ss=3D""></div><div class=3D"">On another subject but related. When using the=
 stock steering rack <u class=3D"">frame mounts,</u> the Tie Rods coming out=
 of the rack end up angled forward towards the front of the car. Im not talk=
ing about level of the tie rod, i.e., straight with the rack as this does af=
fect Bump Steer. So if i was to use the forward mounting holes (don=E2=80=99=
t use the rear holes) and add an additional plate thus moving the complete r=
ack forward about one inch, the angle of the tie rods would be straight to t=
he steering arm does this improve performance?</div><div class=3D""><br clas=
s=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks for your comments.</div><div class=3D"">=
<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Steve B.</div><div class=3D"">Florida T=
R4 Race Car</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br cl=
ass=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=
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From: John Styduhar <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 10:39:32 -0500

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The new Moss catalog has a "Steering Rack Security Mount" kit that is
supposed to correct this problem.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Joe Alexander <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Steve, quick ratios racks have been known to fail. Several of us witnesse=
d
> this failure at Eagles Canyon.
>
> You should research this thoroughly. If I had one I would look at
> modifying it to prevent the failure, but many are just not using them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, IA 50648
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Stephen Borowski <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">The=
 new Moss catalog has a &quot;Steering Rack Security Mount&quot; kit that i=
s supposed to correct this problem.=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Joe A=
lexander <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:joealexandervintage@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Steve, quick ratio=
s racks have been known to fail. Several of us witnessed this failure at Ea=
gles Canyon.</div><div><br></div><div>You should research this thoroughly. =
If I had one I would look at modifying it to prevent the failure, but many =
are just not using them.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br><br>Joe Alexa=
nder<div>645 1st Street</div><div>Jesup, IA 50648</div><div><a href=3D"http=
://The-vintage-racer.com" target=3D"_blank">The-vintage-racer.com</a></div>=
<div><a href=3D"http://Gasketinnovations.com" target=3D"_blank">Gasketinnov=
ations.com</a></div><div>Cell: =C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:319.464.4711" value=3D"=
+13194644711" target=3D"_blank">319.464.4711</a></div></div><div><div class=
=3D"h5"><div><br>On Feb 28, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Stephen Borowski &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Hello All,<div>Ok f=
or you Mechanical Engineers, Which steering arm should I use for my TR4 rac=
e car? As you can see from the attached picture one steering arm is longer =
than the other. I believe the one bolted to the car is from a TR6 and the o=
ther resting on top (to show the length difference) is from some other Triu=
mph. I understand the shorter arm would result in quicker action but would =
it induce some type of unwanted condition? The Tie Rod end would be just af=
t of the brake disk leading edge=E2=80=A6 FYI I am using the Quick Ratio Ra=
ck.</div><div><br></div><div>On another subject but related. When using the=
 stock steering rack <u>frame mounts,</u> the Tie Rods coming out of the ra=
ck end up angled forward towards the front of the car. Im not talking about=
 level of the tie rod, i.e., straight with the rack as this does affect Bum=
p Steer. So if i was to use the forward mounting holes (don=E2=80=99t use t=
he rear holes) and add an additional plate thus moving the complete rack fo=
rward about one inch, the angle of the tie rods would be straight to the st=
eering arm does this improve performance?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks f=
or your comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Steve B.</div><div>Florida TR4 R=
ace Car</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v>Begin forwarded message:</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote=
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