Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons...I'm glad I asked

From: "Jim Gray" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 17:02:58 -0700

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Thanks all for the input and now I=E2=80=99m glad I asked. It looks like =
Venolia are the favorite with A & E & J & E not far behind. Pretty much =
anything

but the County brand.

Thanks again

Jim g

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of R. John Lye
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:58 AM
To: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>; Spitfire Racing =
<[email-masked]>; Bill Tobin <[email-masked]>
Cc: FOT list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons

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I can second the quality control for Venolia pistons.  Several years =
ago, we

did a group buy of several sets of TR-4 pistons from Venolia.  I weighed

them when they got in, and matched them to sets based on weight.  Even

over the five sets (I think it was five, anyway), they were all very =
close.

By hand picking them, though, we were able to get all sets almost spot =
on.

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John

On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 08:52:27 -0500, Bill Tobin =
wrote:

Scott, I think they are more than double that but you get what you pay =
for.=20

I weighed all my Venolias when I got them new and they were all dead =
equal; right on their spec.=20

I have a more conservative redline in the TR6, 6000, but it will easily =
go beyond that.=20

Happy New Year everyone.=20

Bill=20

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:16 AM

Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons

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I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight =
years. Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare-   =
0.6/1,000 of wear, max.  They'll be going back in the engine again with =
new rings. My recollection is they are about $75 each.
My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.

Sent from my mobile device=20

On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing =
wrote:

I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and =
against my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County =
pistons. I had suggested using either J&E; Aries or Venolia forged =
pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. =
I found their weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best =
of my awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and =
given how nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another =
build using them. The builder is always held responsible for any failure =
regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire engine using proper forged =
pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervous doing that with County =
pistons.

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I will say I admit to having general misgivings about anything made in =
China but that=E2=80=99s based on experience. Why risk your reputation =
and the expense of a total build by using cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a =
false economy. I dreaded every time the phone rang for a month after =
delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly met the =
requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost in =
mere minutes.

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=20

County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky =
choice for the rigors of racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either =
poor clearances or an oiling deficiency. A proper rebuild should check =
and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t assume the one problem you =
find is the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expensive =
disaster.

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I=E2=80=99ll step off the soap box now!

=20

Choose wisely!

=20

=20

Russ Moore

=20

Spitfire #49

=20

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM
To: 'FOT list'
Subject: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons

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I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to =
get an opinion on County pistons.

=20

The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minutes on track until =
it spun a bearing. The pistons were new

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for the last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand =
I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective

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if they are descent racing pistons.

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Thanks as always,

=20

Jim g

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Thanks all for the input and now I=E2=80=99m glad I asked. It looks =
like Venolia are the favorite with A &amp; E &amp; J &amp; E not far =
behind. Pretty much anything<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>but the County brand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Thanks again<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Jim g<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>R. John =
Lye<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 4, 2016 7:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Scott =
Janzen &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Spitfire Racing =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Bill Tobin =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT list =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Opinion needed =
on GT6 pistons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>I can second the quality =
control for Venolia pistons.&nbsp; Several years ago, =
we<o:p></o:p></p><p>did a group buy of several sets of TR-4 pistons from =
Venolia.&nbsp; I weighed<o:p></o:p></p><p>them when they got in, and =
matched them to sets based on weight.&nbsp; Even<o:p></o:p></p><p>over =
the five sets (I think it was five, anyway), they were all very =
close.<o:p></o:p></p><p>By hand picking them, though, we were able to =
get all sets almost spot =
on.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>John<br><br>On Mon, 04 Jan =
2016 08:52:27 -0500, Bill Tobin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div id=3Dhtml-message><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Scott, I think they are more =
than double that but you get what you pay for.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I weighed all my =
Venolias&nbsp;when I got them new and they were all dead equal; right on =
their spec.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I have a more conservative =
redline in the TR6, 6000, but it will easily go beyond that.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Happy New Year everyone.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bill</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>From:</span></s=
trong><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]">Scott =
Janzen</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To:</span></str=
ong><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
title=3D"[email-masked]">Spitfire Racing</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Cc:</span></str=
ong><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]">FOT =
list</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></s=
trong><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> =
Monday, January 04, 2016 8:16 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Subject:</span>=
</strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Re: [Fot] =
Opinion needed on GT6 pistons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for =
probably eight years. Just measured the skirt dimension against an =
unused spare- &nbsp; 0.6/1,000 of wear, max. &nbsp;They'll be going back =
in the engine again with new rings. My recollection is they are about =
$75 each.<br>My routine redline is 7,000 =
rpm.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br>Sent from my =
mobile device&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire =
Racing &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his =
occasional track car and against my recommendation he wanted the cheaper =
option of County pistons. I had suggested using either J&amp;E; Aries or =
Venolia forged pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that =
much=E2=80=9D. I found their weights to be less uniform but in all =
honesty to the best of my awareness the engine is still running. These =
are made in China and given how nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t =
think I would do another build using them. The builder is always held =
responsible for any failure regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire =
engine using proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be =
nervous doing that with County =
pistons.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I will say I admit to having general misgivings =
about anything made in China but that=E2=80=99s based on experience. Why =
risk your reputation and the expense of a total build by using cheap =
pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false economy. I dreaded every time the phone =
rang for a month after delivering the car, but in this instance they =
seemingly met the requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but =
it can be lost in mere =
minutes.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>County pistons may work for street car =
applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of racing. Spinning a =
bearing indicates either poor clearances or an oiling deficiency. A =
proper rebuild should check and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t =
assume the one problem you find is the only problem. Shortcuts =
predictably end up in expensive =
disaster.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I=E2=80=99ll step off the soap box =
now!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Choose =
wisely!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Russ =
Moore</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Spitfire =
#49</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
strong><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> =
Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>] <strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>On =
Behalf Of </span></strong>Jim Gray<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Sunday, =
January 03, 2016 9:58 PM<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> 'FOT =
list'<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> [Fot] =
Opinion needed on GT6 =
pistons</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I=E2=80=99m =
rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to get an =
opinion on County pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The last =
=E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minutes on track until it spun a =
bearing. The pistons were new<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>for the =
last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand I=E2=80=99d =
like to know from the =
collective<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>if they are =
descent racing pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks as =
always,<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jim =
g<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
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