Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons

From: "Spitfire Racing" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 05:07:39 -0500

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I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and
against my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County pistons. I
had suggested using either J&E; Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he
didn't want to "spend that much". I found their weights to be less uniform
but in all honesty to the best of my awareness the engine is still running.
These are made in China and given how nervous they made me, I don't think I
would do another build using them. The builder is always held responsible
for any failure regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire engine using
proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervous doing that
with County pistons.

I will say I admit to having general misgivings about anything made in China
but that's based on experience. Why risk your reputation and the expense of
a total build by using cheap pistons. It's a false economy. I dreaded every
time the phone rang for a month after delivering the car, but in this
instance they seemingly met the requirement. It takes years to build a
reputation but it can be lost in mere minutes.

County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky choice
for the rigors of racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either poor
clearances or an oiling deficiency. A proper rebuild should check and
correct only everything! Don't assume the one problem you find is the only
problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expensive disaster.

I'll step off the soap box now!

Choose wisely!

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM
To: 'FOT list'
Subject: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons

I'm rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to get an
opinion on County pistons.

The last " rebuild" only lasted minutes on track until it spun a bearing.
The pistons were new

for the last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand I'd
like to know from the collective 

if they are descent racing pistons.

Thanks as always,

Jim g

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I did an engine rebuild =
for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and against my =
recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County pistons. I had =
suggested using either J&amp;E; Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he =
didn&#8217;t want to &#8220;spend that much&#8221;. I found their =
weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best of my =
awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and given =
how nervous they made me, I don&#8217;t think I would do another build =
using them. The builder is always held responsible for any failure =
regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire engine using proper forged =
pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervous doing that with County =
pistons.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I will say I admit to =
having general misgivings about anything made in China but that&#8217;s =
based on experience. Why risk your reputation and the expense of a total =
build by using cheap pistons. It&#8217;s a false economy. I dreaded =
every time the phone rang for a month after delivering the car, but in =
this instance they seemingly met the requirement. It takes years to =
build a reputation but it can be lost in mere =
minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>County pistons may work =
for street car applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of =
racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either poor clearances or an oiling =
deficiency. A proper rebuild should check and correct only everything! =
Don&#8217;t assume the one problem you find is the only problem. =
Shortcuts predictably end up in expensive =
disaster.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;ll step off the soap box =
now!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Choose wisely!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Russ =
Moore<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Spitfire #49<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim =
Gray<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'FOT =
list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 =
pistons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I&#8217;m =
rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to get an =
opinion on County pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The last =
&#8220; rebuild&#8221; only lasted minutes on track until it spun a =
bearing. The pistons were new<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>for the =
last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand I&#8217;d =
like to know from the collective <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>if =
they are descent racing pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks as always,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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From: Yellow04 <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 06:46:30 -0500

Ditto.

A google search on "cast pistons vs forged pistons" will reveal all the data you need to convince all parties involved that a high revving GT6 race engine is no place for an off the shelf cast piston.

Henry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Moore
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons
> 
> 
> County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of racing.

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From: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 08:16:10 -0500

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I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight years. J=
ust measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare-   0.6/1,000 of wea=
r, max.  They'll be going back in the engine again with new rings. My recoll=
ection is they are about $75 each.
My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.

Sent from my mobile device=20

On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and aga=
inst my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County pistons. I had=
 suggested using either J&E; Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he didn=E2=80=
=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. I found their weights to be l=
ess uniform but in all honesty to the best of my awareness the engine is sti=
ll running. These are made in China and given how nervous they made me, I do=
n=E2=80=99t think I would do another build using them. The builder is always=
 held responsible for any failure regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfi=
re engine using proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervo=
us doing that with County pistons.
=20
I will say I admit to having general misgivings about anything made in China=
 but that=E2=80=99s based on experience. Why risk your reputation and the ex=
pense of a total build by using cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false economy.=
 I dreaded every time the phone rang for a month after delivering the car, b=
ut in this instance they seemingly met the requirement. It takes years to bu=
ild a reputation but it can be lost in mere minutes.
=20
County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky choice f=
or the rigors of racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either poor clearances=
 or an oiling deficiency. A proper rebuild should check and correct only eve=
rything! Don=E2=80=99t assume the one problem you find is the only problem. S=
hortcuts predictably end up in expensive disaster.
I=E2=80=99ll step off the soap box now!
Choose wisely!
=20
Russ Moore
Spitfire #49
=20
From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM
To: 'FOT list'
Subject: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons
=20
I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to get a=
n opinion on County pistons.
The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minutes on track until it sp=
un a bearing. The pistons were new
for the last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand I=E2=80=
=99d like to know from the collective
if they are descent racing pistons.
Thanks as always,
Jim g
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in m=
y race GT6 for probably eight years. Just measured the skirt dimension again=
st an unused spare- &nbsp; 0.6/1,000 of wear, max. &nbsp;They'll be going ba=
ck in the engine again with new rings. My recollection is they are about $75=
 each.<br>My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.</div><div><br>Sent from my mobile=
 device&nbsp;</div><div><br>On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 ow=
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heaper option of County pistons. I had suggested using either J&amp;E; Aries=
 or Venolia forged pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that=
 much=E2=80=9D. I found their weights to be less uniform but in all honesty t=
o the best of my awareness the engine is still running. These are made in Ch=
ina and given how nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do ano=
ther build using them. The builder is always held responsible for any failur=
e regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire engine using proper forged pi=
stons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervous doing that with County piston=
s.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
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97D">I will say I admit to having general misgivings about anything made in C=
hina but that=E2=80=99s based on experience. Why risk your reputation and th=
e expense of a total build by using cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false econ=
omy. I dreaded every time the phone rang for a month after delivering the ca=
r, but in this instance they seemingly met the requirement. It takes years t=
o build a reputation but it can be lost in mere minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">County pistons m=
ay work for street car applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of=
 racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either poor clearances or an oiling de=
ficiency. A proper rebuild should check and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=
=99t assume the one problem you find is the only problem. Shortcuts predicta=
bly end up in expensive disaster.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I=E2=80=99ll step off the soap box now!<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Choose=
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F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"col=
or:#1F497D">Russ Moore<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
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0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Fot [<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <b=
>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Gray<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM<=
br><b>To:</b> 'FOT list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pist=
ons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow c=
lub member and need to get an opinion on County pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minutes on=
 track until it spun a bearing. The pistons were new<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">for the last build. Since I have no experience with the County b=
rand I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">if they are descent racing pistons.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
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From: "Bill Tobin" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 08:52:27 -0500

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Scott, I think they are more than double that but you get what you pay =
for.
I weighed all my Venolias when I got them new and they were all dead =
equal; right on their spec.
I have a more conservative redline in the TR6, 6000, but it will easily =
go beyond that.
Happy New Year everyone.
Bill
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Scott Janzen=20
  To: Spitfire Racing=20
  Cc: FOT list=20
  Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons

  I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight =
years. Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare-   =
0.6/1,000 of wear, max.  They'll be going back in the engine again with =
new rings. My recollection is they are about $75 each.
  My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.

  On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

  I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car =
and against my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County =
pistons. I had suggested using either J&E; Aries or Venolia forged =
pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. =
I found their weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best =
of my awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and =
given how nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another =
build using them. The builder is always held responsible for any failure =
regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire engine using proper forged =
pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervous doing that with County =
pistons.

  I will say I admit to having general misgivings about anything made in =
China but that=E2=80=99s based on experience. Why risk your reputation =
and the expense of a total build by using cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a =
false economy. I dreaded every time the phone rang for a month after =
delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly met the =
requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost in =
mere minutes.

  County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky =
choice for the rigors of racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either =
poor clearances or an oiling deficiency. A proper rebuild should check =
and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t assume the one problem you =
find is the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expensive =
disaster.

  Choose wisely!

  Russ Moore

  Spitfire #49

  I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to =
get an opinion on County pistons.

  The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minutes on track until =
it spun a bearing. The pistons were new

  for the last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand =
I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective=20

  Thanks as always,

  Jim g

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Scott, I think they are more than =
double that but=20
you get what you pay for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I weighed all my Venolias&nbsp;when I =
got them new=20
and they were all dead equal; right on their spec.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I have a more conservative redline in =
the TR6,=20
6000, but it will easily go beyond that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Happy New Year everyone.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=[email-masked] href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Scott =
Janzen</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 04, 2016 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Opinion =
needed on GT6=20
  pistons</DIV>
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  <DIV>I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably =
eight=20
  years. Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare- =
&nbsp;=20
  0.6/1,000 of wear, max. &nbsp;They'll be going back in the engine =
again with=20
  new rings. My recollection is they are about $75 each.<BR>My routine =
redline=20
  is 7,000 rpm.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>Sent from my mobile device&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing &lt;<A=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">I did an engine =
rebuild for a=20
  GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and against my recommendation =
he wanted=20
  the cheaper option of County pistons. I had suggested using either =
J&amp;E;=20
  Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =
=E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. I=20
  found their weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best =
of my=20
  awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and =
given how=20
  nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another build =
using them. The=20
  builder is always held responsible for any failure regardless of =
cause. When I=20
  build a Spitfire engine using proper forged pistons we dyno test at =
7800. I=20
  would be nervous doing that with County pistons.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
#1f497d"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">I will say I admit =
to having=20
  general misgivings about anything made in China but that=E2=80=99s =
based on=20
  experience. Why risk your reputation and the expense of a total build =
by using=20
  cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false economy. I dreaded every time the =
phone rang for a=20
  month after delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly =
met the=20
  requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost =
in mere=20
  minutes.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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#1f497d"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">County pistons may =
work for=20
  street car applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of =
racing.=20
  Spinning a bearing indicates either poor clearances or an oiling =
deficiency. A=20
  proper rebuild should check and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t =
assume the one=20
  problem you find is the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in=20
  expensive disaster.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">I=E2=80=99ll step =
off the soap box=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">Choose=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">Russ=20
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  <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jim Gray<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 03, 2016 =
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GT6=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow =
club member and need=20
  to get an opinion on County pistons.<O:P></O:P></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted =
minutes on track until it=20
  spun a bearing. The pistons were new<O:P></O:P></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>for the last build. Since I have no experience =
with the=20
  County brand I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective =
<O:P></O:P></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>if they are descent racing =
pistons.<O:P></O:P></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks as always,<O:P></O:P></P>
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:10:20 +0000 (UTC)

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I have to offer another position here just in case....
I rebuilt my GT6 motor three years ago in a conservative manner on a limite=
d budget, 10:1 CR, GP1 cam, County pistons, stock rods and crank etc. had e=
verything magnafluxed, balanced and hardened and a good damper and aluminum=
 flywheel etc.I do OK, do not compete at the front, but have cars I can run=
 with.=C2=A0
I think there are two main questions, how deep are the pockets and how hard=
 will it be run? =C2=A0The harder you want to run the more you need to spen=
d in order to not take yourself out with a failure. My limited experience o=
n the pistons is it's the detonation that will kill them, so I watch the ti=
ming and fuel octane, don't let it run lean, and dyno'd to find optimum tim=
ing and carb jetting
All that said - that was me building for me, not someone else and Russ and =
Scott have very good points.
Brian=C2=A026A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
[email-masked]
=20

      From: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>
 To: Spitfire Racing <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: FOT list <[email-masked]>
 Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons
  =20
I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight years. =
Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare- =C2=A0 0.6/1,000=
 of wear, max. =C2=A0They'll be going back in the engine again with new rin=
gs. My recollection is they are about $75 each.
My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.
Sent from my mobile device=C2=A0
On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

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254 I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car an=
d against my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County pistons.=
 I had suggested using either J&E; Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he d=
idn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. I found their weig=
hts to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best of my awareness the e=
ngine is still running. These are made in China and given how nervous they =
made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another build using them. The bui=
lder is always held responsible for any failure regardless of cause. When I=
 build a Spitfire engine using proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. =
I would be nervous doing that with County pistons. =C2=A0I will say I admit=
 to having general misgivings about anything made in China but that=E2=80=
=99s based on experience. Why risk your reputation and the expense of a tot=
al build by using cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false economy. I dreaded ev=
ery time the phone rang for a month after delivering the car, but in this i=
nstance they seemingly met the requirement. It takes years to build a reput=
ation but it can be lost in mere minutes. =C2=A0County pistons may work for=
 street car applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of racing. S=
pinning a bearing indicates either poor clearances or an oiling deficiency.=
 A proper rebuild should check and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t a=
ssume the one problem you find is the only problem. Shortcuts predictably e=
nd up in expensive disaster.I=E2=80=99ll step off the soap box now!Choose w=
isely! =C2=A0Russ MooreSpitfire #49 =C2=A0From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM
To: 'FOT list'
Subject: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m rebuilding a=
nd engine for a fellow club member and need to get an opinion on County pis=
tons.The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minutes on track until=
 it spun a bearing. The pistons were newfor the last build. Since I have no=
 experience with the County brand I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collect=
ive if they are descent racing pistons.Thanks as always,Jim g______________=
_________________________________
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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6480"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580=
_6511">I have to offer another position here just in case....</span></div><=
div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6480"><span><br></span></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6480" dir=3D"ltr">I rebuilt my GT6 motor thr=
ee years ago in a conservative manner on a limited budget, 10:1 CR, GP1 cam=
, County pistons, stock rods and crank etc. had everything magnafluxed, bal=
anced and hardened and a good damper and aluminum flywheel etc.I do OK, do =
not compete at the front, but have cars I can run with.&nbsp;</div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6480"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451=
914976580_6480" dir=3D"ltr">I think there are two main questions, how deep =
are the pockets and how hard will it be run? &nbsp;The harder you want to r=
un the more you need to spend in order to not take yourself out with a fail=
ure. My limited experience on the pistons is it's the detonation that will =
kill them, so I watch the timing and fuel octane, don't let it run lean, an=
d dyno'd to find optimum timing and carb jetting</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1451914976580_6480"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6480=
">All that said - that was me building for me, not someone else and Russ an=
d Scott have very good points.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6=
480"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6480">Brian</div><div>=
</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6481">&nbsp;</div><div class=3D=
"signature" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6498"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_=
1451914976580_6497">26A GT6+, 28 TR6</div>Brian Schirano<br>585-305-0349 Ce=
ll&nbsp;<br>[email-masked]</div><br> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR" id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_6646"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yahoo_quot=
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1914976580_6735"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Sco=
tt Janzen &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">=
To:</span></b> Spitfire Racing &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> FOT list &lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monda=
y, January 4, 2016 8:16 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subjec=
t:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons<br> </font> </div> <d=
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=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8271">I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in m=
y race GT6 for probably eight years. Just measured the skirt dimension agai=
nst an unused spare- &nbsp; 0.6/1,000 of wear, max. &nbsp;They'll be going =
back in the engine again with new rings. My recollection is they are about =
$75 each.<br clear=3D"none">My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.</div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8273"><br clear=3D"none">Sent from my mobile=
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span style=3D"color:#1F497D;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8275">I did =
an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and against =
my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County pistons. I had sug=
gested using either J&amp;E; Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he didn=E2=
=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. I found their weights to=
 be less uniform but in all honesty to the best of my awareness the engine =
is still running. These are made in China and given how nervous they made m=
e, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another build using them. The builder i=
s always held responsible for any failure regardless of cause. When I build=
 a Spitfire engine using proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. I woul=
d be nervous doing that with County pistons.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv1=
753123254MsoNormal" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8282"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNormal" id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8281"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;" id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8280">I will say I admit to having general misgiv=
ings about anything made in China but that=E2=80=99s based on experience. W=
hy risk your reputation and the expense of a total build by using cheap pis=
tons. It=E2=80=99s a false economy. I dreaded every time the phone rang for=
 a month after delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly met =
the requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost in=
 mere minutes.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNormal" id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8590"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span><=
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_8284"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8283=
">County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky choic=
e for the rigors of racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either poor cleara=
nces or an oiling deficiency. A proper rebuild should check and correct onl=
y everything! Don=E2=80=99t assume the one problem you find is the only pro=
blem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expensive disaster.</span></div><div =
class=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">I=E2=80=99l=
l step off the soap box now!</span></div><div class=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Choose wisely!</span></div><div class=3D=
"yiv1753123254MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></div=
><div class=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNormal" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_856=
9"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Russ Moore</span></div><div class=3D"yiv1=
753123254MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Spitfire #49</span></div=
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976580_8571"> Fot [<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot=
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ray<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM<br clea=
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inion needed on GT6 pistons</span></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv175312=
3254MsoNormal" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8575"> &nbsp;</div><div cla=
ss=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNormal" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8576">I=E2=
=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to get an o=
pinion on County pistons.</div><div class=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNormal" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8577">The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only l=
asted minutes on track until it spun a bearing. The pistons were new</div><=
div class=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNormal" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8578"=
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soNormal" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1451914976580_8579">if they are descent racing=
 pistons.</div><div class=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNormal" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_145=
1914976580_8580">Thanks as always,</div><div class=3D"yiv1753123254MsoNorma=
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 09:57:50 -0500

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I can second the quality control for Venolia pistons.=C2=A0 Several years a=
go, we
did a group buy of several sets of TR-4 pistons from Venolia.=C2=A0 I weigh=
ed
them when they got in, and matched them to sets based on weight.=C2=A0 Even
over the five sets (I think it was five, anyway), they were all very close. 
By hand picking them, though, we were able to get all sets almost spot on. 
=C2=A0
John

On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 08:52:27 -0500, Bill Tobin  wrote:

       Scott, I think they are more than double that but you get what 
you pay for. 
I weighed all my Venolias=C2=A0when I got them new and they were all dead 
equal; right on their spec. 
I have a more conservative redline in the TR6, 6000, but it will easily 
go beyond that. 
Happy New Year everyone. 
Bill

       ----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Janzen
To: Spitfire Racing
Cc: FOT list
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons
=C2=A0
I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight 
years. Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare- =C2=A0 
0.6/1,000 of wear, max. =C2=A0They'll be going back in the engine again 
with new rings. My recollection is they are about $75 each. 
My routine redline is 7,000 rpm. 

On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing  wrote:

I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car 
and against my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County 
pistons. I had suggested using either J&E; Aries or Venolia forged 
pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. I =
found their 
weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best of my 
awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and 
given how nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another 
build using them. The builder is always held responsible for any 
failure regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire engine using 
proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervous doing 
that with County pistons. 
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I will say I admit to having general misgivings about anything made in 
China but that=E2=80=99s based on experience. Why risk your reputation and 
the expense of a total build by using cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false 
economy. I dreaded every time the phone rang for a month after 
delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly met the 
requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost in 
mere minutes. 
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky 
choice for the rigors of racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either 
poor clearances or an oiling deficiency. A proper rebuild should check 
and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t assume the one problem you find =
is 
the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expensive disaster. 
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99ll step off the soap box now!
=C2=A0
Choose wisely!
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Russ Moore
=C2=A0
Spitfire #49
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM
To: 'FOT list'
Subject: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to get =
an 
opinion on County pistons. 
=C2=A0
The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minutes on track until it s=
pun a 
bearing. The pistons were new
=C2=A0
for the last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand 
I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective
=C2=A0
if they are descent racing pistons. 
=C2=A0
Thanks as always,
=C2=A0
Jim g
=C2=A0
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<p>I can second the quality control for Venolia pistons.=C2=A0 Several year=
s ago,
we</p>
<p>did a group buy of several sets of TR-4 pistons from Venolia.=C2=A0 I we=
ighed</p>
<p>them when they got in, and matched them to sets based on weight.=C2=A0 E=
ven</p>
<p>over the five sets (I think it was five, anyway), they were all very
close.</p>
<p>By hand picking them, though, we were able to get all sets almost spot
on.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>John<br><br>On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 08:52:27 -0500, Bill Tobin
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</p>
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Scott, I think t=
hey are
more than double that but you get what you pay for.</span>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">I weighed all my
Venolias=C2=A0when I got them new and they were all dead equal; right on th=
eir
spec.</span>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">I have a more
conservative redline in the TR6, 6000, but it will easily go beyond that.</=
span>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Happy New Year
everyone.</span>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Bill</span>
</div>
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<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial; background: #e4e4e4; font-color:
black;"><strong>From:</strong> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:s=
[email-masked]" target=3D"">Scott Janzen</a>
</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;"><strong>To:</strong> <a title=3D"spitfire_=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"">Spitfire Racing</a>
</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;"><strong>Cc:</strong> <a title=3D"fot@autox=
.team.net" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"">FOT
list</a>
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<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;"><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, January 04,=
 2016
8:16 AM</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Fot] Opinio=
n
needed on GT6 pistons</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight ye=
ars. 
Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare- =C2=A0 0.6/1,000=
 of wear,
max. =C2=A0They'll be going back in the engine again with new rings. My rec=
ollection
is they are about $75 each.<br>My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.</div>
<div><br>Sent from my mobile device=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br><br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">I did an engine rebu=
ild for a
GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and against my recommendation he wan=
ted
the cheaper option of County pistons. I had suggested using either J&amp;E;
Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspen=
d that much=E2=80=9D. I
found their weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best of my
awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and given ho=
w
nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another build using =
them. The
builder is always held responsible for any failure regardless of cause. Whe=
n I
build a Spitfire engine using proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. I
would be nervous doing that with County pistons.</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">I will say I admit t=
o having
general misgivings about anything made in China but that=E2=80=99s based on
experience. Why risk your reputation and the expense of a total build by us=
ing
cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false economy. I dreaded every time the phone=
 rang for a
month after delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly met the
requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost in mer=
e
minutes.</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">County pistons may w=
ork for
street car applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of racing. 
Spinning a bearing indicates either poor clearances or an oiling deficiency=
. A
proper rebuild should check and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t assu=
me the one
problem you find is the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expen=
sive
disaster.</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">I=E2=80=99ll step of=
f the soap box
now!</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Choose wisely!</span=
></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Russ Moore</span></p=
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Spitfire #49</span><=
/p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-s=
erif';
font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounce=
[email-masked]" target=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <stron=
g>On Behalf Of
</strong>Jim Gray<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58
PM<br><strong>To:</strong> 'FOT list'<br><strong>Subject:</strong> [Fot] Op=
inion
needed on GT6 pistons</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club =
member and
need to get an opinion on County pistons.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minu=
tes on track until
it spun a bearing. The pistons were new</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">for the last build. Since I have no experience with =
the
County brand I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if they are descent racing pistons.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks as always,</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim g</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
</div>
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