Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams

From: Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:25:25 -0500

Cam specs and static CR are interactive.  This will give you a rundown if you are not already knowledgeable about this subject:

http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compatibility

Duncan
(Texas)

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>   I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions.  First are GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?  Also what compression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.  This car will seldom if ever see the street but will mostly be for track days?  Thanks.   P.J.
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From: Jason Sukey <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:24:00 -0400

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Yes, the GT6 and TR6 cams are physically interchangeable.  Do you plan on
high octane racing fuel or pump gas?  My very streetable GT6 is 10.5:1
(with a GoodParts GP3 cam), that's starting to push the limit of 93 octane
pump gas without reducing ignition advance.  If I'm just cruising around on
the street it's fine, but if I'm running hard I need to mix in a few
gallons of 110 to prevent pinging.

Jason Sukey

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, the GT6 and TR6 cams are physically interchangeable.=
=C2=A0 Do you plan on high octane racing fuel or pump gas?=C2=A0 My very st=
reetable GT6 is 10.5:1 (with a GoodParts GP3 cam), that&#39;s starting to p=
ush the limit of 93 octane pump gas without reducing ignition advance.=C2=
=A0 If I&#39;m just cruising around on the street it&#39;s fine, but if I&#=
39;m running hard I need to mix in a few gallons of 110 to prevent pinging.=
=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Jason Sukey<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, O=
ct 29, 2015 at 12:05 AM, McKearn McKearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</spa=
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t compression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.=C2=A0 This car will seld=
om if ever see the street but will mostly be for track days?=C2=A0 Thanks.=
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From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:26:32 -0700

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Suggest shaving the head to 3.3 inches and running 100 octane.  also
install a Goodparts exhaust header.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif;font-size:small">Suggest shaving the head to 3.3 inches and running 1=
00 octane. =C2=A0also install a Goodparts exhaust header.</div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at=
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi All.</div><div>=C2=A0=
 I&#39;m starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions.=C2=A0 First=
 are GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?=C2=A0 Also what compression r=
atio do you all feel is reasonable.=C2=A0 This car will seldom if ever see =
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From: Kas Kastner <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:38:33 -0700

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If is never going to see the street or very seldom, then use race gas (110
octane ) and build a powerful engine that will make you smile every time
you put on your helmet for track day experience. That engine can make
175-180 BHP so easy it will make you smile even more, and that is not
a race engine.

When you want to run on the street then you dilute the race gas with the
normal readily available 92 octane junk and it will fine as long as you
don't get race happy with the revs. 92-93 octane at some Shell and BP
stations is the best I've found.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If is never going to see the street or very seldom, t=
hen use race gas (110 octane )=C2=A0and build a powerful engine that will m=
ake you=C2=A0smile every time you put on your helmet for track day experien=
ce. That engine can make 175-180 BHP so easy it will make you smile even mo=
re, and that is not a=C2=A0race engine.</div><div><br></div><div>When you w=
ant to run on the street then you dilute the race gas with the normal readi=
ly available 92 octane junk and it will fine as long as you don&#39;t get r=
ace happy with the revs. 92-93 octane at some Shell and BP stations is the =
best I&#39;ve found.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all=
"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><p><strong><font color=3D"#000099">Ne=
ver be beaten by equipment.</font></strong></p></div></div>
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cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Suggest shaving the head =
to 3.3 inches and running 100 octane. =C2=A0also install a Goodparts exhaus=
t header.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:05 PM, McKearn McKearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
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v><div>=C2=A0 I&#39;m starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions=
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compression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.=C2=A0 This car will seldom=
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From: Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:15:02 -0500

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Better yet, take it the full step beyond... and forget about track days and
street GT6's all together.
It's way more useful as a racer.
The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.
All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2 its duty both ways.
Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have some big SUV
destroy it at a stop light.
When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street cars and
never the two should be the same.
Race.
Full on Race.
It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at the same
time.
The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will outweigh any
argument for the "track day concept".
If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same amount of money.
But you will have way more fun racing.
And you will be actually racing the thing.
there is nothing better.
We will give you all the help you need.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Better yet, take it the full=C2=A0step beyond... and =
forget about track days and street GT6&#39;s all together.</div><div>It&#39=
;s way more useful as a racer.</div><div>The real thrill of the Triumph wor=
ld is Race cars.</div><div>All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/=
2=C2=A0its duty both ways.</div><div>Spend all that time and money, drive o=
n the street and have some big SUV destroy it at a stop light.</div><div>Wh=
en it come to GT6&#39;s, there are race cars and there are street cars and =
never the two should be the same.</div><div>Race.</div><div>Full on Race.</=
div><div>It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at t=
he same time.</div><div>The fun and friendship that you get from racing the=
 car will outweigh any argument for the &quot;track day concept&quot;.</div=
><div>If you do either &quot;properly&quot; you will likely spend the same =
amount of money.</div><div>But you will have way more fun racing.</div><div=
>And you will be actually racing the thing.</div><div>there is nothing bett=
er.</div><div>We will give you all the help you need.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Jason Ostrowski</div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing</div><div>1969 Triumph =
GT6+ Racecars</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
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><div>=C2=A0 I&#39;m starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions.=
=C2=A0 First are GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?=C2=A0 Also what c=
ompression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.=C2=A0 This car will seldom =
if ever see the street but will mostly be for track days?=C2=A0 Thanks.=C2=
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From: John Hasty <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 23:23:20 +0000

Way to go POET !

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Better yet, take it the full step beyond... and forget about track days and street GT6's all together.
It's way more useful as a racer.
The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.
All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2 its duty both ways.
Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have some big SUV destroy it at a stop light.
When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street cars and never the two should be the same.
Race.
Full on Race.
It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at the same time.
The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will outweigh any argument for the "track day concept".
If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same amount of money.
But you will have way more fun racing.
And you will be actually racing the thing.
there is nothing better.
We will give you all the help you need.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

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O.K. I get it.  Race car or street car. One or  the other.  I guess I'll
have to build a race car and use it for track days.  I just can't make the
commitment to the time and money  required for racing at this time.
  With that in mind, I would appreciate some help.  Could I get a really
low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so?  Or just some honest
opinions from time to time is good too.
                         P.J.

>> but will mostly be for track days?  Thanks.   P.J.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>O.K. I get it.=C2=A0 Race car or street car. One=C2=
=A0or=C2=A0 the other.=C2=A0 I guess I&#39;ll=C2=A0 have to build a race ca=
r and use it for track days.=C2=A0 I just can&#39;t make the commitment to =
the time and money =C2=A0required for racing at this time. </div><div>=C2=
=A0 With that in mind, I would appreciate some help.=C2=A0 Could I get a re=
ally low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so?=C2=A0 Or just some ho=
nest opinions from time to time is good too.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.</div></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at =
5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jason@mult=
ivintage.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Better yet, take =
it the full=C2=A0step beyond... and forget about track days and street GT6&=
#39;s all together.</div><div>It&#39;s way more useful as a racer.</div><di=
v>The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.</div><div>All that Tra=
ck day talk is building a car for 1/2=C2=A0its duty both ways.</div><div>Sp=
end all that time and money, drive on the street and have some big SUV dest=
roy it at a stop light.</div><div>When it come to GT6&#39;s, there are race=
 cars and there are street cars and never the two should be the same.</div>=
<div>Race.</div><div>Full on Race.</div><div>It will be the best and worst =
decision you will ever make all at the same time.</div><div>The fun and fri=
endship that you get from racing the car will outweigh any argument for the=
 &quot;track day concept&quot;.</div><div>If you do either &quot;properly&q=
uot; you will likely spend the same amount of money.</div><div>But you will=
 have way more fun racing.</div><div>And you will be actually racing the th=
ing.</div><div>there is nothing better.</div><div>We will give you all the =
help you need.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason Ostrowski</div><div>Friendly =
Ghost Racing</div><div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McK=
earn McKearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
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GT6 Motor and I have some questions.=C2=A0 First are GT6 and TR6 cams reall=
y interchangeable?=C2=A0 Also what compression ratio do you all feel is rea=
sonable.=C2=A0 This car will seldom if ever see the street but will mostly =
be for track days?=C2=A0 Thanks.=C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.</div></div>
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Race cars, especially GT6s, aren't built /set up to be competitive in one sh=
ot, unless you are Chuck Gee.  No rush. That said, as much fun as it may be t=
o build one, spending a little more up front to buy one that has been raced w=
ill probably save money in the long run.  All that hardware - dual braking s=
ystem, competition shocks, fire system, roll cage, braided lines, heavy duty=
 stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, etc, etc, etc is often heavily discoun=
ted in the price of a used race car. =20
You'll still need to build a good engine and do countless other things (race=
 ready, ha!) but you can probably save money over the long haul.=20
Who out there has a car for P.J.?

Sent from my mobile device=20

On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]> wrote:

O.K. I get it.  Race car or street car. One or  the other.  I guess I'll  ha=
ve to build a race car and use it for track days.  I just can't make the com=
mitment to the time and money  required for racing at this time.
  With that in mind, I would appreciate some help.  Could I get a really low=
 interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so?  Or just some honest opinions f=
rom time to time is good too.
                         P.J.

> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
> Better yet, take it the full step beyond... and forget about track days an=
d street GT6's all together.
> Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have some big SUV d=
estroy it at a stop light.
> When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street cars and n=
ever the two should be the same.
> Race.
> Full on Race.
> It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at the same t=
ime.
> The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will outweigh any a=
rgument for the "track day concept".
> If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same amount of money=
.
>=20
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>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>> Hi All.
>>   I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions.  First are G=
T6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?  Also what compression ratio do you a=
ll feel is reasonable.  This car will seldom if ever see the street but will=
 mostly be for track days?  Thanks.   P.J.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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, especially GT6s, aren't built /set up to be competitive in one shot, unles=
s you are Chuck Gee. &nbsp;No rush. That said, as much fun as it may be to b=
uild one, spending a little more up front to buy one that has been raced wil=
l probably save money in the long run. &nbsp;All that hardware - dual brakin=
g system, competition shocks, fire system, roll cage, braided lines, heavy d=
uty stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, etc, etc, etc is often heavily disc=
ounted in the price of a used race car. &nbsp;</div><div>You'll still need t=
o build a good engine and do countless other things (race ready, ha!) but yo=
u can probably save money over the long haul.&nbsp;</div><div>Who out there h=
as a car for P.J.?<br><br>Sent from my mobile device&nbsp;</div><div><br>On O=
ct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gma=
il.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div>O.K. I get it.&nbsp; Race car or street car. One&nbsp;or&nbsp; the oth=
er.&nbsp; I guess I'll&nbsp; have to build a race car and use it for track d=
ays.&nbsp; I just can't make the commitment to the time and money &nbsp;requ=
ired for racing at this time. </div><div>&nbsp; With that in mind, I would a=
ppreciate some help.&nbsp; Could I get a really low interest 30 year loan fo=
r about 50 Gs or so?&nbsp; Or just some honest opinions from time to time is=
 good too.</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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;&nbsp;&nbsp; P.J.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"g=
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r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jason@mul=
tivintage.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
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r=3D"ltr"><div>Better yet, take it the full&nbsp;step beyond... and forget a=
bout track days and street GT6's all together.</div><div>It's way more usefu=
l as a racer.</div><div>The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.</=
div><div>All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2&nbsp;its duty bot=
h ways.</div><div>Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and hav=
e some big SUV destroy it at a stop light.</div><div>When it come to GT6's, t=
here are race cars and there are street cars and never the two should be the=
 same.</div><div>Race.</div><div>Full on Race.</div><div>It will be the best=
 and worst decision you will ever make all at the same time.</div><div>The f=
un and friendship that you get from racing the car will outweigh any argumen=
t for the "track day concept".</div><div>If you do either "properly" you wil=
l likely spend the same amount of money.</div><div>But you will have way mor=
e fun racing.</div><div>And you will be actually racing the thing.</div><div=
>there is nothing better.</div><div>We will give you all the help you need.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Jason Ostrowski</div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing</di=
v><div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mck=
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uestions.&nbsp; First are GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?&nbsp; Als=
o what compression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.&nbsp; This car will s=
eldom if ever see the street but will mostly be for track days?&nbsp; Thanks=
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Race ready, yeah, heard that one before!
If you buy a used race car, take the purchase price and add that much =
more to it and you may be ready for the track!
The good news is that it will be set up to your liking. And your specs.
No regrets on my part; the Redhead is still fun to drive and I'm having =
a blast. May not be first but it was built to last.
Cheers, Bill
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Scott Janzen=20
  To: McKearn McKearn=20
  Cc: FOT list=20
  Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 8:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams

  Race cars, especially GT6s, aren't built /set up to be competitive in =
one shot, unless you are Chuck Gee.  No rush. That said, as much fun as =
it may be to build one, spending a little more up front to buy one that =
has been raced will probably save money in the long run.  All that =
hardware - dual braking system, competition shocks, fire system, roll =
cage, braided lines, heavy duty stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, =
etc, etc, etc is often heavily discounted in the price of a used race =
car. =20
  You'll still need to build a good engine and do countless other things =
(race ready, ha!) but you can probably save money over the long haul.=20
  Who out there has a car for P.J.?

  On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

  O.K. I get it.  Race car or street car. One or  the other.  I guess =
I'll  have to build a race car and use it for track days.  I just can't =
make the commitment to the time and money  required for racing at this =
time.=20
    With that in mind, I would appreciate some help.  Could I get a =
really low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so?  Or just some =
honest opinions from time to time is good too.
                           P.J.

  On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

    Better yet, take it the full step beyond... and forget about track =
days and street GT6's all together.
    It's way more useful as a racer.
    The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.
    All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2 its duty both =
ways.
    Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have some big =
SUV destroy it at a stop light.
    When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street cars =
and never the two should be the same.
    Race.
    Full on Race.
    It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at the =
same time.
    The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will =
outweigh any argument for the "track day concept".
    If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same amount of =
money.
    But you will have way more fun racing.
    And you will be actually racing the thing.
    there is nothing better.
    We will give you all the help you need.

    Jason Ostrowski
    Friendly Ghost Racing

    On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

      Hi All.
        I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions.  =
First are GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?  Also what =
compression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.  This car will seldom =
if ever see the street but will mostly be for track days?  Thanks.   =
P.J.

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    <DIV>It's way more useful as a racer.</DIV>
    <DIV>The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.</DIV>
    <DIV>All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2&nbsp;its duty =
both=20
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    <DIV>Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have =
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    <DIV>When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street =
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    <DIV>Race.</DIV>
    <DIV>Full on Race.</DIV>
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at the=20
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    <DIV>The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will =
outweigh=20
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    <DIV>If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same =
amount of=20
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    <DIV>But you will have way more fun racing.</DIV>
    <DIV>And you will be actually racing the thing.</DIV>
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    <DIV>Friendly Ghost Racing</DIV>
    <DIV>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars</DIV>
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From: Brian Schirano <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:14:16 +0000 (UTC)

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Scott's advice is probably the best you have received! And Bill's estimate =
is accurate from my experience! Might be less if you don't blow it up right=
 away!=C2=A026A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
[email-masked]
      From: Bill Tobin <[email-masked]>
 To: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>; McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: FOT list <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams
  =20
Race ready, yeah, heard that one before!If you buy a used race car, take th=
e purchase price and add that much more to it and you may be ready for the =
track!The good news is that it will be set up to your liking. And your spec=
s.No regrets on my part; the Redhead is still fun to drive and I'm having a=
 blast. May not be first but it was built to last.Cheers, Bill
=20

----- Original Message -----  From: Scott Janzen  To: McKearn McKearn  Cc: =
FOT list  Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cyl=
inder cams=20
   Race cars, especially GT6s, aren't built /set up to be competitive in on=
e shot, unless you are Chuck Gee. =C2=A0No rush. That said, as much fun as =
it may be to build one, spending a little more up front to buy one that has=
 been raced will probably save money in the long run. =C2=A0All that hardwa=
re - dual braking system, competition shocks, fire system, roll cage, braid=
ed lines, heavy duty stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, etc, etc, etc is =
often heavily discounted in the price of a used race car. =C2=A0 You'll sti=
ll need to build a good engine and do countless other things (race ready, h=
a!) but you can probably save money over the long haul.=C2=A0 Who out there=
 has a car for P.J.?

Sent from my mobile device=C2=A0=20
On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]> wrote:

   O.K. I get it.=C2=A0 Race car or street car. One=C2=A0or=C2=A0 the other=
.=C2=A0 I guess I'll=C2=A0 have to build a race car and use it for track da=
ys.=C2=A0 I just can't make the commitment to the time and money =C2=A0requ=
ired for racing at this time.  =C2=A0 With that in mind, I would appreciate=
 some help.=C2=A0 Could I get a really low interest 30 year loan for about =
50 Gs or so?=C2=A0 Or just some honest opinions from time to time is good t=
oo. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 P.J.=20
 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
=20
  Better yet, take it the full=C2=A0step beyond... and forget about track d=
ays and street GT6's all together. It's way more useful as a racer. The rea=
l thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars. All that Track day talk is buil=
ding a car for 1/2=C2=A0its duty both ways. Spend all that time and money, =
drive on the street and have some big SUV destroy it at a stop light. When =
it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street cars and never t=
he two should be the same. Race. Full on Race. It will be the best and wors=
t decision you will ever make all at the same time. The fun and friendship =
that you get from racing the car will outweigh any argument for the "track =
day concept". If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same am=
ount of money. But you will have way more fun racing. And you will be actua=
lly racing the thing. there is nothing better. We will give you all the hel=
p you need.=20
 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars=20
 On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
=20
  Hi All. =C2=A0 I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions.=
=C2=A0 First are GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?=C2=A0 Also what c=
ompression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.=C2=A0 This car will seldom =
if ever see the street but will mostly be for track days?=C2=A0 Thanks.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 P.J.
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=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67971"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144618858158=
0_68113">Scott's advice is probably the best you have received! And Bill's =
estimate is accurate from my experience! Might be less if you don't blow it=
 up right away!</span></div><div></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144618858158=
0_67972">&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"signature" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581=
580_67974"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67973">26A GT6+, 28 TR6</d=
iv>Brian Schirano<br>585-305-0349 Cell&nbsp;<br>[email-masked]</div><b=
r>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; fon=
t-size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67978"> <div style=3D"font-=
family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, san=
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_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_68112">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67975"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</=
span></b> Bill Tobin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Scott Janzen &lt;[email-masked]&gt;;=
 McKearn McKearn &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht: bold;">Cc:</span></b> FOT list &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_68194"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_68193">Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 30, 201=
5 9:04 AM<br> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_68196"><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_68195">Subject:</span></b=
> Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_contai=
ner" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67983"><br><div id=3D"yiv1699833845">=
<style></style><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67982">
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" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_68118">Race ready, yeah, heard that one=
=20
before!</font></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67987"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial=
" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67986">If you buy a used race car, take =
the purchase price=20
and add that much more to it and you may be ready for the track!</font></di=
v>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67985"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial=
" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67984">The good news is that it will be =
set up to your=20
liking. And your specs.</font></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446188581580_67981"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial=
">No regrets on my part; the Redhead is still fun to=20
drive and I'm having a blast. May not be first but it was built to=20
last.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Cheers, Bill</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING=
-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;">
  <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv1699833845yqt=
6607139784" id=3D"yiv1699833845yqt36677"><div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;">--=
--- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b>=20
  <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=
-off=3D"">Scott Janzen</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"r=
ect" title=3D"[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title-off=3D"">McKearn Mc=
Kearn</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Cc:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"r=
ect" title=3D"[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title-off=3D"">FOT list</=
a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 30, 2015 8:3=
2=20
  AM</div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Six cylinder=20
cams</div>
  <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div><span></span></div>
  <div>
  <div>Race cars, especially GT6s, aren't built /set up to be competitive i=
n one=20
  shot, unless you are Chuck Gee. &nbsp;No rush. That said, as much fun as =
it=20
  may be to build one, spending a little more up front to buy one that has =
been=20
  raced will probably save money in the long run. &nbsp;All that hardware -=
 dual=20
  braking system, competition shocks, fire system, roll cage, braided lines=
,=20
  heavy duty stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, etc, etc, etc is often he=
avily=20
  discounted in the price of a used race car. &nbsp;</div>
  <div>You'll still need to build a good engine and do countless other thin=
gs=20
  (race ready, ha!) but you can probably save money over the long=20
  haul.&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Who out there has a car for P.J.?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e">Sent from my mobile=20
  device&nbsp;</div>
  <div><br clear=3D"none">On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn &lt=
;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;=20
  wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">
  <div>O.K. I get it.&nbsp; Race car or street car. One&nbsp;or&nbsp; the=
=20
  other.&nbsp; I guess I'll&nbsp; have to build a race car and use it for t=
rack=20
  days.&nbsp; I just can't make the commitment to the time and money=20
  &nbsp;required for racing at this time. </div>
  <div>&nbsp; With that in mind, I would appreciate some help.&nbsp; Could =
I get=20
  a really low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so?&nbsp; Or just s=
ome=20
  honest opinions from time to time is good too.</div>
  <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;=20
  P.J.</div></div>
  <div class=3D"yiv1699833845gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none">
  <div class=3D"yiv1699833845gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, =
Jason Ostrowski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:ja=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none">
  <blockquote class=3D"yiv1699833845gmail_quote" style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc =
1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex;">
    <div dir=3D"ltr">
    <div>Better yet, take it the full&nbsp;step beyond... and forget about =
track=20
    days and street GT6's all together.</div>
    <div>It's way more useful as a racer.</div>
    <div>The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.</div>
    <div>All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2&nbsp;its duty bo=
th=20
    ways.</div>
    <div>Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have some b=
ig=20
    SUV destroy it at a stop light.</div>
    <div>When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street ca=
rs=20
    and never the two should be the same.</div>
    <div>Race.</div>
    <div>Full on Race.</div>
    <div>It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at t=
he=20
    same time.</div>
    <div>The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will outwe=
igh=20
    any argument for the "track day concept".</div>
    <div>If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same amount =
of=20
    money.</div>
    <div>But you will have way more fun racing.</div>
    <div>And you will be actually racing the thing.</div>
    <div>there is nothing better.</div>
    <div>We will give you all the help you need.</div>
    <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
    <div>Jason Ostrowski</div>
    <div>Friendly Ghost Racing</div>
    <div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars</div>
    <div class=3D"yiv1699833845gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none">
    <div class=3D"yiv1699833845gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 P=
M, McKearn McKearn=20
    <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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      <div dir=3D"ltr">
      <div>Hi All.</div>
      <div>&nbsp; I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some=20
      questions.&nbsp; First are GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?&n=
bsp;=20
      Also what compression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.&nbsp; This=
 car=20
      will seldom if ever see the street but will mostly be for track=20
      days?&nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      P.J.</div></div><br clear=3D"none">__________________________________=
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From: McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]>
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Hi.
  I love  to build cars and I enjoy building engines and transmissions as
well as all the other stuff that goes in. Body work???? now that's another
story. I know I'll spend way more money in the long run if I build my own
car but then again it will be my car...wait...am I trying to talk myself
into building a race car?????
 I already have a lot of what I need to get started so I guess I'm just
going to go for it. So what if it takes me a few years. My last GT6 build
took about ten and then I was really never  done tweaking.
 Quick before I really get going on this someone stop me........
                                                              P.J.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobin <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> If you buy a used race car, take the purchase price and add that much more
> to it and you may be ready for the track!
> No regrets on my part; the Redhead is still fun to drive and I'm having a
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>
> *To:* McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* FOT list <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 8:32 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams
>
> Race cars, especially GT6s, aren't built /set up to be competitive in one
> shot, unless you are Chuck Gee.  No rush. That said, as much fun as it may
> be to build one, spending a little more up front to buy one that has been
> raced will probably save money in the long run.  All that hardware - dual
> braking system, competition shocks, fire system, roll cage, braided lines,
> heavy duty stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, etc, etc, etc is often
> heavily discounted in the price of a used race car.
> You'll still need to build a good engine and do countless other things
> (race ready, ha!) but you can probably save money over the long haul.
> Sent from my mobile device
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi.</div><div>=C2=A0 I love =C2=A0to build cars and I=
 enjoy building engines and transmissions as well as all the other stuff th=
at goes in. Body work???? now that&#39;s another story. I know I&#39;ll spe=
nd way more money in the long run if I build my own car but then again it w=
ill be my car...wait...am I trying to talk myself into building a race car?=
????</div><div>=C2=A0I already have a lot of what I need to get started so =
I guess I&#39;m just going to go for it. So what if it takes me a few years=
. My last GT6 build took about ten and then=C2=A0I was really never=C2=A0 d=
one tweaking.=C2=A0=C2=A0 </div><div>=C2=A0Quick before I really get going =
on this someone stop me........</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobi=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div dir=3D"auto" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Race ready, yeah, heard that one=20
before!</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">If you buy a used race car, take the p=
urchase price=20
and add that much more to it and you may be ready for the track!</font></di=
v>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">The good news is that it will be set u=
p to your=20
liking. And your specs.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">No regrets on my part; the Redhead is =
still fun to=20
drive and I&#39;m having a blast. May not be first but it was built to=20
last.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Cheers, Bill</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;margin-right:0px;ma=
rgin-left:5px;border-left-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-left-width:2px;border-lef=
t-style:solid">
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:n=
ormal">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"background:rgb(228,228,228);font:10pt/normal arial;font-siz=
e-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">Scott Janzen</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:n=
ormal"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">McKearn McKearn</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:n=
ormal"><b>Cc:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">FOT list</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:n=
ormal"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 30, 2015 8:32=20
  AM</div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:n=
ormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Six cylinder=20
cams</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div><span></span></div>
  <div>
  <div>Race cars, especially GT6s, aren&#39;t built /set up to be competiti=
ve in one=20
  shot, unless you are Chuck Gee.=C2=A0 No rush. That said, as much fun as =
it=20
  may be to build one, spending a little more up front to buy one that has =
been=20
  raced will probably save money in the long run.=C2=A0 All that hardware -=
 dual=20
  braking system, competition shocks, fire system, roll cage, braided lines=
,=20
  heavy duty stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, etc, etc, etc is often he=
avily=20
  discounted in the price of a used race car. =C2=A0</div>
  <div>You&#39;ll still need to build a good engine and do countless other =
things=20
  (race ready, ha!) but you can probably save money over the long=20
  haul.=C2=A0</div>
  <div>Who out there has a car for P.J.?<br><br>Sent from my mobile=20
  device=C2=A0</div>
  <div><br>On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=20
  wrote:<br><br></div>
  <div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">
  <div>O.K. I get it.=C2=A0 Race car or street car. One=C2=A0or=C2=A0 the=
=20
  other.=C2=A0 I guess I&#39;ll=C2=A0 have to build a race car and use it f=
or track=20
  days.=C2=A0 I just can&#39;t make the commitment to the time and money=20
  =C2=A0required for racing at this time. </div>
  <div>=C2=A0 With that in mind, I would appreciate some help.=C2=A0 Could =
I get=20
  a really low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so?=C2=A0 Or just s=
ome=20
  honest opinions from time to time is good too.</div>
  <div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=20
  P.J.</div></div>
  <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrows=
ki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
  <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;paddi=
ng-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border=
-left-style:solid">
    <div dir=3D"ltr">
    <div>Better yet, take it the full=C2=A0step beyond... and forget about =
track=20
    days and street GT6&#39;s all together.</div>
    <div>It&#39;s way more useful as a racer.</div>
    <div>The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.</div>
    <div>All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2=C2=A0its duty bo=
th=20
    ways.</div>
    <div>Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have some b=
ig=20
    SUV destroy it at a stop light.</div>
    <div>When it come to GT6&#39;s, there are race cars and there are stree=
t cars=20
    and never the two should be the same.</div>
    <div>Race.</div>
    <div>Full on Race.</div>
    <div>It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at t=
he=20
    same time.</div>
    <div>The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will outwe=
igh=20
    any argument for the &quot;track day concept&quot;.</div>
    <div>If you do either &quot;properly&quot; you will likely spend the sa=
me amount of=20
    money.</div>
    <div>But you will have way more fun racing.</div>
    <div>And you will be actually racing the thing.</div>
    <div>there is nothing better.</div>
    <div>We will give you all the help you need.</div>
    <div><br></div>
    <div>Jason Ostrowski</div>
    <div>Friendly Ghost Racing</div>
    <div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars</div>
    <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
    <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn Mc=
Kearn=20
    <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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ding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;bord=
er-left-style:solid">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
      <div>Hi All.</div>
      <div>=C2=A0 I&#39;m starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some=20
      questions.=C2=A0 First are GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?=
=C2=A0=20
      Also what compression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.=C2=A0 This=
 car=20
      will seldom if ever see the street but will mostly be for track=20
      days?=C2=A0 Thanks.=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
      P.J.</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<b=
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:21:17 -0400

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I know you have more capability to build stuff than i do.  Kas' book =
with the Chuck Gee build is definitely worth having on hand as a =
reference, even if you do things differently.
Have fun - see you on the track!

On Oct 30, 2015, at 9:17 AM, McKearn McKearn wrote:

Hi.
  I love  to build cars and I enjoy building engines and transmissions =
as well as all the other stuff that goes in. Body work???? now that's =
another story. I know I'll spend way more money in the long run if I =
build my own car but then again it will be my car...wait...am I trying =
to talk myself into building a race car?????
 I already have a lot of what I need to get started so I guess I'm just =
going to go for it. So what if it takes me a few years. My last GT6 =
build took about ten and then I was really never  done tweaking. =20
 Quick before I really get going on this someone stop me........
                                                              P.J.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobin =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
Race ready, yeah, heard that one before!
If you buy a used race car, take the purchase price and add that much =
more to it and you may be ready for the track!
The good news is that it will be set up to your liking. And your specs.
No regrets on my part; the Redhead is still fun to drive and I'm having =
a blast. May not be first but it was built to last.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Janzen
To: McKearn McKearn
Cc: FOT list
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams

O.K. I get it.  Race car or street car. One or  the other.  I guess I'll =
 have to build a race car and use it for track days.  I just can't make =
the commitment to the time and money  required for racing at this time.
  With that in mind, I would appreciate some help.  Could I get a really =
low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so?  Or just some honest =
opinions from time to time is good too.
                         P.J.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
Better yet, take it the full step beyond... and forget about track days =
and street GT6's all together.
It's way more useful as a racer.
The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.
All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2 its duty both ways.
Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have some big SUV =
destroy it at a stop light.
When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street cars and =
never the two should be the same.
Race.
Full on Race.
It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at the =
same time.
The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will outweigh =
any argument for the "track day concept".
If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same amount of =
money.
But you will have way more fun racing.
And you will be actually racing the thing.
there is nothing better.
We will give you all the help you need.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
Hi All.
  I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions.  First are =
GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?  Also what compression ratio do =
you all feel is reasonable.  This car will seldom if ever see the street =
but will mostly be for track days?  Thanks.   P.J.

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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I =
know you have more capability to build stuff than i do. &nbsp;Kas' book =
with the Chuck Gee build is definitely worth having on hand as a =
reference, even if you do things differently.<div>Have fun - see you on =
the track!</div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 30, 2015, at 9:17 AM, McKearn =
McKearn wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi.</div><div>&nbsp; I love &nbsp;to build cars and I =
enjoy building engines and transmissions as well as all the other stuff =
that goes in. Body work???? now that's another story. I know I'll spend =
way more money in the long run if I build my own car but then again it =
will be my car...wait...am I trying to talk myself into building a race =
car?????</div><div>&nbsp;I already have a lot of what I need to get =
started so I guess I'm just going to go for it. So what if it takes me a =
few years. My last GT6 build took about ten and then&nbsp;I was really =
never&nbsp; done tweaking.&nbsp;&nbsp; </div><div>&nbsp;Quick before I =
really get going on this someone stop =
me........</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; P.J.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobin <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div dir=3D"auto" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Race ready, yeah, heard that one=20
before!</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">If you buy a used race car, take =
the purchase price=20
and add that much more to it and you may be ready for the =
track!</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">The good news is that it will be =
set up to your=20
liking. And your specs.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">No regrets on my part; the Redhead =
is still fun to=20
drive and I'm having a blast. May not be first but it was built to=20
last.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Cheers, Bill</font></div>
<blockquote =
style=3D"padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:5=
px;border-left-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:so=
lid">
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal =
arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">----- Original Message =
----- </div>
  <div style=3D"background:rgb(228,228,228);font:10pt/normal =
arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">Scott Janzen</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal =
arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>To:</b> <a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">McKearn McKearn</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal =
arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Cc:</b> <a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">FOT list</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal =
arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
October 30, 2015 8:32=20
  AM</div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt/normal =
arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Fot] Six cylinder=20
cams</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div><span></span></div>
  <div>
  <div>Race cars, especially GT6s, aren't built /set up to be =
competitive in one=20
  shot, unless you are Chuck Gee.&nbsp; No rush. That said, as much fun =
as it=20
  may be to build one, spending a little more up front to buy one that =
has been=20
  raced will probably save money in the long run.&nbsp; All that =
hardware - dual=20
  braking system, competition shocks, fire system, roll cage, braided =
lines,=20
  heavy duty stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, etc, etc, etc is often =
heavily=20
  discounted in the price of a used race car. &nbsp;</div>
  <div>You'll still need to build a good engine and do countless other =
things=20
  (race ready, ha!) but you can probably save money over the long=20
  haul.&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Who out there has a car for P.J.?<br><br>Sent from my mobile=20
  device&nbsp;</div>
  <div><br>On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=20
  wrote:<br><br></div>
  <div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">
  <div>O.K. I get it.&nbsp; Race car or street car. One&nbsp;or&nbsp; =
the=20
  other.&nbsp; I guess I'll&nbsp; have to build a race car and use it =
for track=20
  days.&nbsp; I just can't make the commitment to the time and money=20
  &nbsp;required for racing at this time. </div>
  <div>&nbsp; With that in mind, I would appreciate some help.&nbsp; =
Could I get=20
  a really low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so?&nbsp; Or =
just some=20
  honest opinions from time to time is good too.</div>
  =
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  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason =
Ostrowski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-widt=
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    <div>Better yet, take it the full&nbsp;step beyond... and forget =
about track=20
    days and street GT6's all together.</div>
    <div>It's way more useful as a racer.</div>
    <div>The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.</div>
    <div>All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2&nbsp;its duty =
both=20
    ways.</div>
    <div>Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have =
some big=20
    SUV destroy it at a stop light.</div>
    <div>When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street =
cars=20
    and never the two should be the same.</div>
    <div>Race.</div>
    <div>Full on Race.</div>
    <div>It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all =
at the=20
    same time.</div>
    <div>The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will =
outweigh=20
    any argument for the "track day concept".</div>
    <div>If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same =
amount of=20
    money.</div>
    <div>But you will have way more fun racing.</div>
    <div>And you will be actually racing the thing.</div>
    <div>there is nothing better.</div>
    <div>We will give you all the help you need.</div>
    <div><br></div>
    <div>Jason Ostrowski</div>
    <div>Friendly Ghost Racing</div>
    <div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars</div>
    <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
    <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn =
McKearn=20
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      <div>Hi All.</div>
      <div>&nbsp; I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some=20
      questions.&nbsp; First are GT6 and TR6 cams really =
interchangeable?&nbsp;=20
      Also what compression ratio do you all feel is reasonable.&nbsp; =
This car=20
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Boy it is getting deep now!     Your car should look good and perform good.=
  If all it does is run good=2C my circle refers to this type of vehicle as=
 a "Roach"  lots of stickers over blems.  Most of the really fast stuff=2C =
looks good and runs good.=20
=20
Cheers=2C Henry Morrison
=20
> Date: Fri=2C 30 Oct 2015 15:27:52 +0000
> From: [email-masked]
> To: [email-masked]=3B [email-masked]
> CC: [email-masked]
> I've been to a lot of car show=2C Cars and Coffee and of course autocross=
 and racing events. I've seen a lot of different types of car guys like to =
think of cars guys like types of birds. If you place appearance above perfo=
rmance you are a peacock. You strut around and eventually stop to show off =
your plumage=2C and where you park at a car show is of high importance to y=
ou. Heck=2C if you can't find a good spot=2C where people can admire your w=
ork you might just blow off the show. Sure you know how to primer=2C paint=
=2C wax and polish to a glass like finish=2C but you are all for show. I li=
ke pretty things=2C I do=2C so you have my admiration. Some car guys  like =
to do road trips with other cars guys. They pick a leader and follow him. T=
hese are geese. Racers on the other hand are more functional=2C more stealt=
hy. Appearance matters because it is a functional part of building a better=
 beast=2C not the point of the exercise. We don't fly in formation=2C we st=
rike out and swoop=2C like a hawk. We need the perfo
>  rmance to do what we do. If it doesn't look just right we put a decal ov=
er it to cover up the blemish.
>=20
> If you enjoy building engines and trannies and have a need to know how it=
 works and to be assured that it was built properly=2C and don't know why t=
hose funny reciprocating buffers try to whip themselves out of your control=
 you are some other type of bird. Maybe a hawk=2C maybe a hummingbird=2C bu=
t from your self description you aren't a peacock. May I suggest vintage ra=
cing.................=20
>=20
> Bob Kramer
> [email-masked]
>=20
> ---- McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
> > Hi.
as
> > well as all the other stuff that goes in. Body work???? now that's anot=
her
> > story. I know I'll spend way more money in the long run if I build my o=
wn
> > car but then again it will be my car...wait...am I trying to talk mysel=
f
> > going to go for it. So what if it takes me a few years. My last GT6 bui=
ld
> > On Fri=2C Oct 30=2C 2015 at 8:04 AM=2C Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@veri=
zon.net>
> > wrote:
> >=20
> > > Race ready=2C yeah=2C heard that one before!
> > > If you buy a used race car=2C take the purchase price and add that mu=
ch more
> > > The good news is that it will be set up to your liking. And your spec=
s.
> > > No regrets on my part=3B the Redhead is still fun to drive and I'm ha=
ving a
> > > blast. May not be first but it was built to last.
> > > Cheers=2C Bill
> > >
> > > *Sent:* Friday=2C October 30=2C 2015 8:32 AM
> > > Race cars=2C especially GT6s=2C aren't built /set up to be competitiv=
e in one
> > > shot=2C unless you are Chuck Gee.  No rush. That said=2C as much fun =
as it may
> > > be to build one=2C spending a little more up front to buy one that ha=
s been
> > > raced will probably save money in the long run.  All that hardware - =
dual
> > > braking system=2C competition shocks=2C fire system=2C roll cage=2C b=
raided lines=2C
> > > heavy duty stub axles=2C spare wheels=2C fuel cell=2C etc=2C etc=2C e=
tc is often
> > > You'll still need to build a good engine and do countless other thing=
s
> > > (race ready=2C ha!) but you can probably save money over the long hau=
l.
> > > On Oct 29=2C 2015=2C at 10:44 PM=2C McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]=
om> wrote:
> > >
> > > O.K. I get it.  Race car or street car. One or  the other.  I guess I=
'll
> > > have to build a race car and use it for track days.  I just can't mak=
e the
> > >   With that in mind=2C I would appreciate some help.  Could I get a r=
eally
> > > On Thu=2C Oct 29=2C 2015 at 5:15 PM=2C Jason Ostrowski <jason@multivi=
ntage.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Better yet=2C take it the full step beyond... and forget about track=
 days
> > >> All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2 its duty both ways=
.
> > >> Spend all that time and money=2C drive on the street and have some b=
ig SUV
> > >> When it come to GT6's=2C there are race cars and there are street ca=
rs and
> > >> It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at the=
 same
> > >> time.
> > >> The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will outweig=
h any
> > >> On Wed=2C Oct 28=2C 2015 at 11:05 PM=2C McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gm=
ail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi All.
> > >>>   I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions.  First=
 are
> > >>> GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?  Also what compression rat=
io do
> > >>> you all feel is reasonable.  This car will seldom if ever see the s=
treet
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Boy it is getting deep now!&nbsp=
=3B&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B Your car should look good and perform good.&nbs=
p=3B If all it does is run good=2C my circle refers to this type of vehicle=
 as a "Roach"&nbsp=3B lots of stickers over blems.&nbsp=3B Most of the real=
ly fast stuff=2C looks good and runs good. <BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>Cheers=2C Henry =
Morrison<br>&nbsp=3B<BR><div>&gt=3B Date: Fri=2C 30 Oct 2015 15:27:52 +0000=
<br>&gt=3B From: [email-masked]<br>&gt=3B To: william.tobin31@veriz=
on.net=3B [email-masked]<br>&gt=3B CC: [email-masked]<br>&gt=3B Sub=
ject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B I've been to a lot o=
f car show=2C Cars and Coffee and of course autocross and racing events. I'=
ve seen a lot of different types of car guys like to think of cars guys lik=
e types of birds. If you place appearance above performance you are a peaco=
ck. You strut around and eventually stop to show off your plumage=2C and wh=
ere you park at a car show is of high importance to you. Heck=2C if you can=
't find a good spot=2C where people can admire your work you might just blo=
w off the show. Sure you know how to primer=2C paint=2C wax and polish to a=
 glass like finish=2C but you are all for show. I like pretty things=2C I d=
o=2C so you have my admiration. Some car guys  like to do road trips with o=
ther cars guys. They pick a leader and follow him. These are geese. Racers =
on the other hand are more functional=2C more stealthy. Appearance matters =
because it is a functional part of building a better beast=2C not the point=
 of the exercise. We don't fly in formation=2C we strike out and swoop=2C l=
ike a hawk. We need the perfo<br>&gt=3B  rmance to do what we do. If it doe=
sn't look just right we put a decal over it to cover up the blemish.<br>&gt=
=3B <br>&gt=3B If you enjoy building engines and trannies and have a need t=
o know how it works and to be assured that it was built properly=2C and don=
't know why those funny reciprocating buffers try to whip themselves out of=
 your control you are some other type of bird. Maybe a hawk=2C maybe a humm=
ingbird=2C but from your self description you aren't a peacock. May I sugge=
st vintage racing................. <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Bob Kramer<br>&gt=
=3B [email-masked]<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B ---- McKearn McKearn &lt=3B=
[email-masked]&gt=3B wrote: <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Hi.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B   I =
love  to build cars and I enjoy building engines and transmissions as<br>&g=
t=3B &gt=3B well as all the other stuff that goes in. Body work???? now tha=
t's another<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B story. I know I'll spend way more money in the=
 long run if I build my own<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B car but then again it will be =
my car...wait...am I trying to talk myself<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B into building a=
 race car?????<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B  I already have a lot of what I need to get=
 started so I guess I'm just<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B going to go for it. So what i=
f it takes me a few years. My last GT6 build<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B took about te=
n and then I was really never  done tweaking.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B  Quick befor=
e I really get going on this someone stop me........<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B      =
                                                         P.J.<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B On Fri=2C Oct 30=2C 2015 at 8:04 AM=2C Bill Tobin &lt=
=[email-masked]&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B wrote:<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B Race ready=2C yeah=2C heard that one before!<b=
r>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B If you buy a used race car=2C take the purchase pric=
e and add that much more<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B to it and you may be ready=
 for the track!<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B The good news is that it will be se=
t up to your liking. And your specs.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B No regrets on =
my part=3B the Redhead is still fun to drive and I'm having a<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B &gt=3B blast. May not be first but it was built to last.<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B &gt=3B Cheers=2C Bill<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B -=
---- Original Message -----<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B *From:* Scott Janzen &l=
t=[email-masked]&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B *To:* McKearn McKearn &lt=
=[email-masked]&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B *Cc:* FOT list &lt=3Bfo=
[email-masked]&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B *Sent:* Friday=2C October 30=
=2C 2015 8:32 AM<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Six cylinder =
cams<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B Race cars=2C especiall=
y GT6s=2C aren't built /set up to be competitive in one<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &g=
t=3B shot=2C unless you are Chuck Gee.  No rush. That said=2C as much fun a=
s it may<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B be to build one=2C spending a little more =
up front to buy one that has been<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B raced will probab=
ly save money in the long run.  All that hardware - dual<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &=
gt=3B braking system=2C competition shocks=2C fire system=2C roll cage=2C b=
raided lines=2C<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B heavy duty stub axles=2C spare whee=
ls=2C fuel cell=2C etc=2C etc=2C etc is often<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B heavi=
ly discounted in the price of a used race car.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B You'=
ll still need to build a good engine and do countless other things<br>&gt=
=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B (race ready=2C ha!) but you can probably save money over =
the long haul.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B Who out there has a car for P.J.?<br=
>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B Sent from my mobile device<br=
>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B On Oct 29=2C 2015=2C at 10:44=
 PM=2C McKearn McKearn &lt=[email-masked]&gt=3B wrote:<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B O.K. I get it.  Race car or street car. =
One or  the other.  I guess I'll<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B have to build a ra=
ce car and use it for track days.  I just can't make the<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &=
gt=3B commitment to the time and money  required for racing at this time.<b=
r>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B   With that in mind=2C I would appreciate some help.=
  Could I get a really<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B low interest 30 year loan fo=
r about 50 Gs or so?  Or just some honest<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B opinions =
from time to time is good too.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B                     =
     P.J.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B On Thu=2C Oct 29=
=2C 2015 at 5:15 PM=2C Jason Ostrowski &lt=[email-masked]&gt=3B<b=
r>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B wrote:<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=
=3B&gt=3B Better yet=2C take it the full step beyond... and forget about tr=
ack days<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B and street GT6's all together.<br>&g=
t=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B It's way more useful as a racer.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B =
&gt=3B&gt=3B The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.<br>&gt=3B &=
gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2 its du=
ty both ways.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B Spend all that time and money=
=2C drive on the street and have some big SUV<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B=
 destroy it at a stop light.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B When it come to =
GT6's=2C there are race cars and there are street cars and<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B=
 &gt=3B&gt=3B never the two should be the same.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=
=3B Race.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B Full on Race.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=
=3B&gt=3B It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at =
the same<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B time.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B =
The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will outweigh any<b=
r>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B argument for the "track day concept".<br>&gt=
=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B If you do either "properly" you will likely spend t=
he same amount of<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B money.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=
=3B&gt=3B But you will have way more fun racing.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=
=3B And you will be actually racing the thing.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=
=3B there is nothing better.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B We will give you=
 all the help you need.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=
=3B&gt=3B Jason Ostrowski<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B Friendly Ghost Raci=
ng<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B On Wed=2C Oct 28=2C 2015 at =
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From: John Hasty <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:02:32 +0000

Yes...Henry, to me a proper vintage race car should be both fast and well presented. Thus spake Thearthusta

Sent from my iPhone

Boy it is getting deep now!     Your car should look good and perform good.  If all it does is run good, my circle refers to this type of vehicle as a "Roach"  lots of stickers over blems.  Most of the really fast stuff, looks good and runs good.

Cheers, Henry Morrison

> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:27:52 +0000
> I've been to a lot of car show, Cars and Coffee and of course autocross and racing events. I've seen a lot of different types of car guys like to think of cars guys like types of birds. If you place appearance above performance you are a peacock. You strut around and eventually stop to show off your plumage, and where you park at a car show is of high importance to you. Heck, if you can't find a good spot, where people can admire your work you might just blow off the show. Sure you know how to primer, paint, wax and polish to a glass like finish, but you are all for show. I like pretty things, I do, so you have my admiration. Some car guys like to do road trips with other cars guys. They pick a leader and follow him. These are geese. Racers on the other hand are more functional, more stealthy. Appearance matters because it is a functional part of building a better beast, not the point of the exercise. We don't fly in formation, we strike out and swoop, like a hawk. We need the perfo
> rmance to do what we do. If it doesn't look just right we put a decal over it to cover up the blemish.
>
> If you enjoy building engines and trannies and have a need to know how it works and to be assured that it was built properly, and don't know why those funny reciprocating buffers try to whip themselves out of your control you are some other type of bird. Maybe a hawk, maybe a hummingbird, but from your self description you aren't a peacock. May I suggest vintage racing.................
>
> Bob Kramer
>
> > Hi.
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From: Joe Alexander <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:11:17 -0500

How did Nietzsche enter into this?

Joe Alexander
645 1st Street
Jesup, IA 50648
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:02 PM, John Hasty <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>> I've been to a lot of car show, Cars and Coffee and of course autocross and racing events. I've seen a lot of different types of car guys like to think of cars guys like types of birds. If you place appearance above performance you are a peacock. You strut around and eventually stop to show off your plumage, and where you park at a car show is of high importance to you. Heck, if you can't find a good spot, where people can admire your work you might just blow off the show. Sure you know how to primer, paint, wax and polish to a glass like finish, but you are all for show. I like pretty things, I do, so you have my admiration. Some car guys like to do road trips with other cars guys. They pick a leader and follow him. These are geese. Racers on the other hand are more functional, more stealthy. Appearance matters because it is a functional part of building a better beast, not the point of the exercise. We don't fly in formation, we strike out and swoop, like a hawk. We need
> the perf
> o
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From: Joe Alexander <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:18:09 -0500

I wasn't going to mention that. I also had to look up the correct spelling of Nietzsche.  😃

Joe Alexander
645 1st Street
Jesup, IA 50648
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:14 PM, John Hasty <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Ah !  Come on Joe,  as Scott pointed out I didn't even spell it correctly!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:11 PM, "Joe Alexander" <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:09 PM, "Henry Morrison" <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> From: [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
>>>> To: [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>; [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
>>>> CC: [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
>>>> [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
>>>> 
>>>> ---- McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobin <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> *From:* Scott Janzen <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
>>>>>> *To:* McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
>>>>>> *Cc:* FOT list <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi All.
>>>>>>>> [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
>>>>>> 
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:14:32 +0000

Sent from my iPhone

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Hi All.
   Thanks to those who replied. Nice to know you all have an opinion.
   At this point I am in fact finding mode and trying to do some research
on what will work best for me.  My ultimate goal is to have a free revving,
good handling as light as possible GT6. Good looking is a bonus. I
understand that compression ratio will not be the only factor in
performance. I was simply trying to ascertain a consensus ( If that is
possible) of what other GT6 racers and thrashers feel is an adequate
compression to reach say---180+ HP. Yes I am aware that cam and headers and
carburation and timing and gearing matter. And 180 HP is not a real number
and always questionable until actually measured on a dyno. So, what I am
trying to get across is  that I want an engine that has some power. Pump
gas is also a plus but I will do what I have to do..
 Thanks.   P.J.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:14 PM, John Hasty <[email-masked]> wrote:

> >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:09 PM, "Henry Morrison" <[email-masked]
> >>
> >> Boy it is getting deep now!     Your car should look good and perform
> good.  If all it does is run good, my circle refers to this type of vehicle
> as a "Roach"  lots of stickers over blems.  Most of the really fast stuff,
> looks good and runs good.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison
> >>
> >>> I've been to a lot of car show, Cars and Coffee and of course
> autocross and racing events. I've seen a lot of different types of car guys
> like to think of cars guys like types of birds. If you place appearance
> above performance you are a peacock. You strut around and eventually stop
> to show off your plumage, and where you park at a car show is of high
> importance to you. Heck, if you can't find a good spot, where people can
> admire your work you might just blow off the show. Sure you know how to
> primer, paint, wax and polish to a glass like finish, but you are all for
> show. I like pretty things, I do, so you have my admiration. Some car guys
> like to do road trips with other cars guys. They pick a leader and follow
> him. These are geese. Racers on the other hand are more functional, more
> stealthy. Appearance matters because it is a functional part of building a
> better beast, not the point of the exercise. We don't fly in formation, we
> strike out and swoop, like a hawk. We need
> >> the perf
> >> o
> >>> If you enjoy building engines and trannies and have a need to know how
> it works and to be assured that it was built properly, and don't know why
> those funny reciprocating buffers try to whip themselves out of your
> control you are some other type of bird. Maybe a hawk, maybe a hummingbird,
> but from your self description you aren't a peacock. May I suggest vintage
> racing.................
> >>>
> >>> Bob Kramer
> >>>
> wrote:
> >>>> Hi.
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobin <
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski <
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Better yet, take it the full step beyond... and forget about track
> days
> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn <
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi All.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi All.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks to=C2=A0those w=
ho replied. Nice to know you all have an opinion.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 At=
 this point I am in fact finding mode and trying to do some research on wha=
t will work best for me.=C2=A0 My ultimate goal is to have a=C2=A0free revv=
ing, good handling as light as possible GT6. Good looking is a bonus. I und=
erstand that compression ratio will not be the only factor in performance. =
I was simply trying to ascertain a consensus ( If that is possible) of what=
 other GT6 racers and thrashers feel is an adequate compression to reach sa=
y---180+ HP.=C2=A0Yes I am aware that cam and headers and carburation and t=
iming and gearing=C2=A0matter. And 180 HP is not a=C2=A0real number and alw=
ays questionable until actually measured on a dyno.=C2=A0So, what I am tryi=
ng to get across is =C2=A0that I want an engine that has some power. Pump g=
as is also a plus but I will do what I have to do..</div><div>=C2=A0Thanks.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:14 PM, John Hasty <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ah !=C2=A0 Come =
on Joe,=C2=A0 as Scott pointed out I didn&#39;t even spell it correctly!<br=
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:11 PM, &quot;Joe Alexander&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; How did Nietzsche enter into this?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Joe Alexander<br>
&gt; 645 1st Street<br>
&gt; Jesup, IA 50648<br>
&gt; The-vintage-racer.com<br>
&gt; Gasketinnovations.com<br>
&gt; Cell:=C2=A0 319.464.4711<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:02 PM, John Hasty &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jhas=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Yes...Henry, to me a proper vintage race car should be both fast a=
nd well presented. Thus spake Thearthusta<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:09 PM, &quot;Henry Morrison&quot; &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Boy it is getting deep now!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Your car should loo=
k good and perform good.=C2=A0 If all it does is run good, my circle refers=
 to this type of vehicle as a &quot;Roach&quot;=C2=A0 lots of stickers over=
 blems.=C2=A0 Most of the really fast stuff, looks good and runs good.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Cheers, Henry Morrison<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:27:52 +0000<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">rkramer3@austi=
n.rr.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">rkramer3@a=
ustin.rr.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">william.tob=
[email-masked]</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; CC: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve been to a lot of car show, Cars and Coffee and of cou=
rse autocross and racing events. I&#39;ve seen a lot of different types of =
car guys like to think of cars guys like types of birds. If you place appea=
rance above performance you are a peacock. You strut around and eventually =
stop to show off your plumage, and where you park at a car show is of high =
importance to you. Heck, if you can&#39;t find a good spot, where people ca=
n admire your work you might just blow off the show. Sure you know how to p=
rimer, paint, wax and polish to a glass like finish, but you are all for sh=
ow. I like pretty things, I do, so you have my admiration. Some car guys li=
ke to do road trips with other cars guys. They pick a leader and follow him=
. These are geese. Racers on the other hand are more functional, more steal=
thy. Appearance matters because it is a functional part of building a bette=
r beast, not the point of the exercise. We don&#39;t fly in formation, we s=
trike out and swoop, like a hawk. We need<br>
&gt;&gt; the perf<br>
&gt;&gt; o<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; rmance to do what we do. If it doesn&#39;t look just right we =
put a decal over it to cover up the blemish.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; If you enjoy building engines and trannies and have a need to =
know how it works and to be assured that it was built properly, and don&#39=
;t know why those funny reciprocating buffers try to whip themselves out of=
 your control you are some other type of bird. Maybe a hawk, maybe a hummin=
gbird, but from your self description you aren&#39;t a peacock. May I sugge=
st vintage racing.................<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Bob Kramer<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">rkramer3@austin.=
rr.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; ---- McKearn McKearn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mck=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I love to build cars and I enjoy building engines and tran=
smissions as<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; well as all the other stuff that goes in. Body work???? no=
w that&#39;s another<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; story. I know I&#39;ll spend way more money in the long ru=
n if I build my own<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; car but then again it will be my car...wait...am I trying =
to talk myself<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; into building a race car?????<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I already have a lot of what I need to get started so I gu=
ess I&#39;m just<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; going to go for it. So what if it takes me a few years. My=
 last GT6 build<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; took about ten and then I was really never done tweaking.<=
br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Quick before I really get going on this someone stop me...=
.....<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; P.J.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobin &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&lt;mai=
lto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">william.tobin31@verizon.=
net</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Race ready, yeah, heard that one before!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If you buy a used race car, take the purchase price an=
d add that much more<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to it and you may be ready for the track!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The good news is that it will be set up to your liking=
. And your specs.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No regrets on my part; the Redhead is still fun to dri=
ve and I&#39;m having a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; blast. May not be first but it was built to last.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers, Bill<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *From:* Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sjanzen@me.=
com">[email-masked]</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sjanzen=
@me.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
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mail.com">[email-masked]</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail=
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Cc:* FOT list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 8:32 AM<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Race cars, especially GT6s, aren&#39;t built /set up t=
o be competitive in one<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; shot, unless you are Chuck Gee. No rush. That said, as=
 much fun as it may<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; be to build one, spending a little more up front to bu=
y one that has been<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; raced will probably save money in the long run. All th=
at hardware - dual<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; braking system, competition shocks, fire system, roll =
cage, braided lines,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; heavy duty stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, etc, e=
tc, etc is often<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; heavily discounted in the price of a used race car.<br=
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You&#39;ll still need to build a good engine and do co=
untless other things<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (race ready, ha!) but you can probably save money over=
 the long haul.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Who out there has a car for P.J.?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent from my mobile device<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; O.K. I get it. Race car or street car. One or the othe=
r. I guess I&#39;ll<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; have to build a race car and use it for track days. I =
just can&#39;t make the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; commitment to the time and money required for racing a=
t this time.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; With that in mind, I would appreciate some help. Could=
 I get a really<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so? Or ju=
st some honest<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; opinions from time to time is good too.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; P.J.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&lt;mail=
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&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Better yet, take it the full step beyond... and fo=
rget about track days<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and street GT6&#39;s all together.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It&#39;s way more useful as a racer.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.=
<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2 =
its duty both ways.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Spend all that time and money, drive on the street=
 and have some big SUV<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; destroy it at a stop light.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; When it come to GT6&#39;s, there are race cars and=
 there are street cars and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; never the two should be the same.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Race.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Full on Race.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It will be the best and worst decision you will ev=
er make all at the same<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; time.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The fun and friendship that you get from racing th=
e car will outweigh any<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; argument for the &quot;track day concept&quot;.<br=
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If you do either &quot;properly&quot; you will lik=
ely spend the same amount of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; money.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; But you will have way more fun racing.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; And you will be actually racing the thing.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; there is nothing better.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We will give you all the help you need.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Jason Ostrowski<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Friendly Ghost Racing<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn =
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi All.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have=
 some questions. First are<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable? Also =
what compression ratio do<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you all feel is reasonable. This car will seld=
om if ever see the street<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; but will mostly be for track days? Thanks. P.J=
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From: "Bill Tobin" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 07:30:09 -0400

I thought it was Strauss! With help from HAL.
Hope the young kids know what we're talking about.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Alexander" <[email-masked]>
To: "John Hasty" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "fot" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams

>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:09 PM, "Henry Morrison" 
>>
>> good.  If all it does is run good, my circle refers to this type of 
>> vehicle as a "Roach"  lots of stickers over blems.  Most of the really 
>> fast stuff, looks good and runs good.
>>
>> Cheers, Henry Morrison
>>
>>> I've been to a lot of car show, Cars and Coffee and of course autocross 
>>> and racing events. I've seen a lot of different types of car guys like 
>>> to think of cars guys like types of birds. If you place appearance above 
>>> performance you are a peacock. You strut around and eventually stop to 
>>> show off your plumage, and where you park at a car show is of high 
>>> primer, paint, wax and polish to a glass like finish, but you are all 
>>> for show. I like pretty things, I do, so you have my admiration. Some 
>>> car guys like to do road trips with other cars guys. They pick a leader 
>>> and follow him. These are geese. Racers on the other hand are more 
>>> functional, more stealthy. Appearance matters because it is a functional 
>>> part of building a better beast, not the point of the exercise. We don't 
>>> fly in formation, we strike out and swoop, like a hawk. We need
>> the perf
>> o
>>> it works and to be assured that it was built properly, and don't know 
>>> why those funny reciprocating buffers try to whip themselves out of your 
>>> control you are some other type of bird. Maybe a hawk, maybe a 
>>> hummingbird, but from your self description you aren't a peacock. May I 
>>> suggest vintage racing.................
>>>
>>> Bob Kramer
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobin 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All.
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:12:28 -0400

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Compression - practically speaking my experience is that it is tough to =
attain more than 12:1 compression with flat top pistons and a GT6 head.  =
Best I have been able to achieve with zero deck height, flat top pistons =
and a payen gasket is about 11:7 to 1.  This is because the head =
inherently has some thin casting spots, where too much milling will =
start to intrude on the water jacket.  See the attached photos - this is =
a stock head that I had ultrasonically tested to see how much we could =
mill off of it - the thickness markings are indicated.  The thinnest =
spot is next to the #1 cylinder, which is where I had another head fail =
this year after it was milled too much.  The castings as manufactured =
vary - this one is not suitable as there is not much material left to =
take a cut off the head, and I think this one is uncut, so I need to =
find a better casting.  My good head, the one on the car right now with =
the 11:7 ratio, is about 140 thousandths thinner (as cut) than the one =
in the photos, and the thin spot is only 0.156 thick.  And yes, they are =
both circle B heads.  I would think you can safely cut to  about 0.10", =
but am not sure how far you can go below this.  The thin spot is right =
at the edge of the fire ring on the gasket, and a head I had excessively =
milled collapsed on a dyno run from pressure.

You might be able to go to pop-up pistons and get some more compression, =
as Chuck Gee has.  Piston to valve clearance is great in this motor, =
even with 1.55 rockers and high lift cams, so there is room to do it, =
but you will have to get custom made pistons.  The shape of the =
combustion chamber means there is not room for the whole piston to go =
beyond zero deck height and still have adequate clearance.  I don't =
understand the mechanics of squish and flame spread, so someone else can =
explain the pros and cons of pop-ups.

The experts I use for dyno time, engine parts and machine work tell me =
the difference between  11.5 and 12:1 compression is probably only about =
4 hp in this motor, but I that's just anecdotal and I don't really know =
what the impact is.=20

So, my answer is, try for 12.5 to one but you probably won't get there.  =
 =20

On Oct 30, 2015, at 11:32 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote:

Hi All.
   Thanks to those who replied. Nice to know you all have an opinion.
   At this point I am in fact finding mode and trying to do some =
research on what will work best for me.  My ultimate goal is to have a =
free revving, good handling as light as possible GT6. Good looking is a =
bonus. I understand that compression ratio will not be the only factor =
in performance. I was simply trying to ascertain a consensus ( If that =
is possible) of what other GT6 racers and thrashers feel is an adequate =
compression to reach say---180+ HP. Yes I am aware that cam and headers =
and carburation and timing and gearing matter. And 180 HP is not a real =
number and always questionable until actually measured on a dyno. So, =
what I am trying to get across is  that I want an engine that has some =
power. Pump gas is also a plus but I will do what I have to do..
 Thanks.   P.J.

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">Compression - practically speaking my experience is that it is tough =
to attain more than 12:1 compression with flat top pistons and a GT6 =
head. &nbsp;Best I have been able to achieve with zero deck height, flat =
top pistons and a payen gasket is about 11:7 to 1. &nbsp;This is because =
the head inherently has some thin casting spots, where too much milling =
will start to intrude on the water jacket. &nbsp;See the attached photos =
- this is a stock head that I had ultrasonically tested to see how much =
we could mill off of it - the thickness markings are indicated. =
&nbsp;The thinnest spot is next to the #1 cylinder, which is where I had =
another head fail this year after it was milled too much. &nbsp;The =
castings as manufactured vary - this one is not suitable as there is not =
much material left to take a cut off the head, and I think this one is =
uncut, so I need to find a better casting. &nbsp;My good head, the one =
on the car right now with the 11:7 ratio, is about 140 thousandths =
thinner (as cut) than the one in the photos, and the thin spot is only =
0.156 thick. &nbsp;And yes, they are both circle B heads. &nbsp;I would =
think you can safely cut to &nbsp;about 0.10", but am not sure how far =
you can go below this. &nbsp;The thin spot is right at the edge of the =
fire ring on the gasket, and a head I had excessively milled collapsed =
on a dyno run from pressure.<div><br><div>You might be able to go to =
pop-up pistons and get some more compression, as Chuck Gee has. =
&nbsp;Piston to valve clearance is great in this motor, even with 1.55 =
rockers and high lift cams, so there is room to do it, but you will have =
to get custom made pistons. &nbsp;The shape of the combustion chamber =
means there is not room for the whole piston to go beyond zero deck =
height and still have adequate clearance. &nbsp;I don't understand the =
mechanics of squish and flame spread, so someone else can explain the =
pros and cons of pop-ups.</div><div><br></div><div>The experts I use for =
dyno time, engine parts and machine work tell me the difference between =
&nbsp;11.5 and 12:1 compression is probably only about 4 hp in this =
motor, but I that's just anecdotal and I don't really know what the =
impact is.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>So, my answer is, try for 12.5 =
to one but you probably won't get there. &nbsp; =
&nbsp;</div><div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 30, 2015, at 11:32 PM, =
McKearn McKearn wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi All.</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks to&nbsp;those who =
replied. Nice to know you all have an opinion.</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; At =
this point I am in fact finding mode and trying to do some research on =
what will work best for me.&nbsp; My ultimate goal is to have =
a&nbsp;free revving, good handling as light as possible GT6. Good =
looking is a bonus. I understand that compression ratio will not be the =
only factor in performance. I was simply trying to ascertain a consensus =
( If that is possible) of what other GT6 racers and thrashers feel is an =
adequate compression to reach say---180+ HP.&nbsp;Yes I am aware that =
cam and headers and carburation and timing and gearing&nbsp;matter. And =
180 HP is not a&nbsp;real number and always questionable until actually =
measured on a dyno.&nbsp;So, what I am trying to get across is =
&nbsp;that I want an engine that has some power. Pump gas is also a plus =
but I will do what I have to do..</div><div>&nbsp;Thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
P.J.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
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From: McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:30:49 -0500

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Thank you. That's what I'm looking for.....
                                        P.J.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Compression - practically speaking my experience is that it is tough to
> attain more than 12:1 compression with flat top pistons and a GT6 head.
> Best I have been able to achieve with zero deck height, flat top pistons
> and a payen gasket is about 11:7 to 1.  This is because the head inherently
> has some thin casting spots, where too much milling will start to intrude
> on the water jacket.  See the attached photos - this is a stock head that I
> had ultrasonically tested to see how much we could mill off of it - the
> thickness markings are indicated.  The thinnest spot is next to the #1
> cylinder, which is where I had another head fail this year after it was
> milled too much.  The castings as manufactured vary - this one is not
> suitable as there is not much material left to take a cut off the head, and
> I think this one is uncut, so I need to find a better casting.  My good
> head, the one on the car right now with the 11:7 ratio, is about 140
> thousandths thinner (as cut) than the one in the photos, and the thin spot
> is only 0.156 thick.  And yes, they are both circle B heads.  I would think
> you can safely cut to  about 0.10", but am not sure how far you can go
> below this.  The thin spot is right at the edge of the fire ring on the
> gasket, and a head I had excessively milled collapsed on a dyno run from
> pressure.
>
> You might be able to go to pop-up pistons and get some more compression,
> as Chuck Gee has.  Piston to valve clearance is great in this motor, even
> with 1.55 rockers and high lift cams, so there is room to do it, but you
> will have to get custom made pistons.  The shape of the combustion chamber
> means there is not room for the whole piston to go beyond zero deck height
> and still have adequate clearance.  I don't understand the mechanics of
> squish and flame spread, so someone else can explain the pros and cons of
> pop-ups.
>
> The experts I use for dyno time, engine parts and machine work tell me the
> difference between  11.5 and 12:1 compression is probably only about 4 hp
> in this motor, but I that's just anecdotal and I don't really know what the
> impact is.
>
> So, my answer is, try for 12.5 to one but you probably won't get there.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you. That&#39;s what I&#39;m looking for.....</=
div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Scott Janzen <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sjanzen@me=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"=
-ms-word-wrap: break-word;">Compression - practically speaking my experienc=
e is that it is tough to attain more than 12:1 compression with flat top pi=
stons and a GT6 head.=C2=A0 Best I have been able to achieve with zero deck=
 height, flat top pistons and a payen gasket is about 11:7 to 1.=C2=A0 This=
 is because the head inherently has some thin casting spots, where too much=
 milling will start to intrude on the water jacket.=C2=A0 See the attached =
photos - this is a stock head that I had ultrasonically tested to see how m=
uch we could mill off of it - the thickness markings are indicated.=C2=A0 T=
he thinnest spot is next to the #1 cylinder, which is where I had another h=
ead fail this year after it was milled too much.=C2=A0 The castings as manu=
factured vary - this one is not suitable as there is not much material left=
 to take a cut off the head, and I think this one is uncut, so I need to fi=
nd a better casting.=C2=A0 My good head, the one on the car right now with =
the 11:7 ratio, is about 140 thousandths thinner (as cut) than the one in t=
he photos, and the thin spot is only 0.156 thick.=C2=A0 And yes, they are b=
oth circle B heads.=C2=A0 I would think you can safely cut to =C2=A0about 0=
.10&quot;, but am not sure how far you can go below this.=C2=A0 The thin sp=
ot is right at the edge of the fire ring on the gasket, and a head I had ex=
cessively milled collapsed on a dyno run from pressure.<div><br><div>You mi=
ght be able to go to pop-up pistons and get some more compression, as Chuck=
 Gee has.=C2=A0 Piston to valve clearance is great in this motor, even with=
 1.55 rockers and high lift cams, so there is room to do it, but you will h=
ave to get custom made pistons.=C2=A0 The shape of the combustion chamber m=
eans there is not room for the whole piston to go beyond zero deck height a=
nd still have adequate clearance.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t understand the mechanic=
s of squish and flame spread, so someone else can explain the pros and cons=
 of pop-ups.</div><div><br></div><div>The experts I use for dyno time, engi=
ne parts and machine work tell me the difference between =C2=A011.5 and 12:=
1 compression is probably only about 4 hp in this motor, but I that&#39;s j=
ust anecdotal and I don&#39;t really know what the impact is.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>So, my answer is, try for 12.5 to one but you probably wo=
n&#39;t get there. =C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 30, 20=
15, at 11:32 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote:</div><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi A=
ll.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks to=C2=A0those who replied. Nice to know y=
ou all have an opinion.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 At this point I am in fact f=
inding mode and trying to do some research on what will work best for me.=
=C2=A0 My ultimate goal is to have a=C2=A0free revving, good handling as li=
ght as possible GT6. Good looking is a bonus. I understand that compression=
 ratio will not be the only factor in performance. I was simply trying to a=
scertain a consensus ( If that is possible) of what other GT6 racers and th=
rashers feel is an adequate compression to reach say---180+ HP.=C2=A0Yes I =
am aware that cam and headers and carburation and timing and gearing=C2=A0m=
atter. And 180 HP is not a=C2=A0real number and always questionable until a=
ctually measured on a dyno.=C2=A0So, what I am trying to get across is =C2=
=A0that I want an engine that has some power. Pump gas is also a plus but I=
 will do what I have to do..</div><div>=C2=A0Thanks.=C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.</div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><img width=
=3D"1203" height=3D"903" src=3D"cid:B46C4321-7CB5-47B4-B4CF-68DC7F0A5612@ho=
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From: Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]>
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With Zero deck clearance it should be fairly easy for you to get over 12 to
one. (by then going after the head)
Basically, with the zero deck clearance as your first step you need to take
.125" to get to 12.75 to 1.
So if Scott's figure of the safety zone is .10" you would be at damn near
12 to 1 even with that.
I don't know if you have these #'s or not but for 10.75 to 1 C.R. with zero
deck clearance you will have a volume of 30 c.c.
For 12.75 to 1 the volume is 24.4 c.c.
Anything in that range should give you at least 135 HP at 10.75 to well
over 165 HP for the properly tuned 12.75.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:30 AM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>> The experts I use for dyno time, engine parts and machine work tell me
>> the difference between  11.5 and 12:1 compression is probably only about 4
>> hp in this motor, but I that's just anecdotal and I don't really know what
>> the impact is.
>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>With Zero deck clearance it should be fairly easy for=
 you to get over 12 to one. (by then going after the head)=C2=A0</div><div>=
Basically, with the zero deck clearance as your first step you need to take=
 .125&quot; to get to 12.75 to 1.</div><div>So if Scott&#39;s figure of the=
 safety zone is .10&quot; you would be at damn near 12 to=C2=A01 even=C2=A0=
with that.</div><div>I don&#39;t know if you have these #&#39;s or not but =
for 10.75 to 1 C.R. with zero deck clearance you will have a volume of 30 c=
.c.</div><div>For 12.75 to=C2=A01=C2=A0the volume is 24.4 c.c.</div><div>An=
ything in that range should give you at least 135 HP at 10.75 to well over =
165 HP for the properly tuned 12.75.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason Ostrows=
ki</div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing</div><div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars</di=
v><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:30 AM, McKearn McKearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div>Thank you. That&#39;s what I&#39;m looking for.....</div><div>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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=A0 P.J.</div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 9:12 AM,=
 Scott Janzen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div>=
Compression - practically speaking my experience is that it is tough to att=
ain more than 12:1 compression with flat top pistons and a GT6 head.=C2=A0 =
Best I have been able to achieve with zero deck height, flat top pistons an=
d a payen gasket is about 11:7 to 1.=C2=A0 This is because the head inheren=
tly has some thin casting spots, where too much milling will start to intru=
de on the water jacket.=C2=A0 See the attached photos - this is a stock hea=
d that I had ultrasonically tested to see how much we could mill off of it =
- the thickness markings are indicated.=C2=A0 The thinnest spot is next to =
the #1 cylinder, which is where I had another head fail this year after it =
was milled too much.=C2=A0 The castings as manufactured vary - this one is =
not suitable as there is not much material left to take a cut off the head,=
 and I think this one is uncut, so I need to find a better casting.=C2=A0 M=
y good head, the one on the car right now with the 11:7 ratio, is about 140=
 thousandths thinner (as cut) than the one in the photos, and the thin spot=
 is only 0.156 thick.=C2=A0 And yes, they are both circle B heads.=C2=A0 I =
would think you can safely cut to =C2=A0about 0.10&quot;, but am not sure h=
ow far you can go below this.=C2=A0 The thin spot is right at the edge of t=
he fire ring on the gasket, and a head I had excessively milled collapsed o=
n a dyno run from pressure.<div><br><div>You might be able to go to pop-up =
pistons and get some more compression, as Chuck Gee has.=C2=A0 Piston to va=
lve clearance is great in this motor, even with 1.55 rockers and high lift =
cams, so there is room to do it, but you will have to get custom made pisto=
ns.=C2=A0 The shape of the combustion chamber means there is not room for t=
he whole piston to go beyond zero deck height and still have adequate clear=
ance.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t understand the mechanics of squish and flame spread=
, so someone else can explain the pros and cons of pop-ups.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>The experts I use for dyno time, engine parts and machine work te=
ll me the difference between =C2=A011.5 and 12:1 compression is probably on=
ly about 4 hp in this motor, but I that&#39;s just anecdotal and I don&#39;=
t really know what the impact is.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>So, my ans=
wer is, try for 12.5 to one but you probably won&#39;t get there. =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0</div><div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 30, 2015, at 11:32 PM, McKearn M=
cKearn wrote:</div><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi All.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 Thanks to=C2=A0those who replied. Nice to know you all have an opinion.</d=
iv><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 At this point I am in fact finding mode and trying to =
do some research on what will work best for me.=C2=A0 My ultimate goal is t=
o have a=C2=A0free revving, good handling as light as possible GT6. Good lo=
oking is a bonus. I understand that compression ratio will not be the only =
factor in performance. I was simply trying to ascertain a consensus ( If th=
at is possible) of what other GT6 racers and thrashers feel is an adequate =
compression to reach say---180+ HP.=C2=A0Yes I am aware that cam and header=
s and carburation and timing and gearing=C2=A0matter. And 180 HP is not a=
=C2=A0real number and always questionable until actually measured on a dyno=
.=C2=A0So, what I am trying to get across is =C2=A0that I want an engine th=
at has some power. Pump gas is also a plus but I will do what I have to do.=
.</div><div>=C2=A0Thanks.=C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
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From: Larry Young <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:34:46 -0500

That is an interesting article, but only speaks to one side of the 
issue.  I always say that you want to pick an intake duration for an RPM 
range that you're willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to 
a stock TR4 crank which sees >6,000 on a regular basis.  Some guys want 
a cam good beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push it that 
far. Nowadays I'm more of a street car guy, but still like to have 
power.  I don't believe the choices should be to do nothing or go all 
the way to race specs.  From 1968 on Triumphs were severely detuned to 
pass emissions.  Compression ratio and duration and hence cam overlap at 
TDC were reduced.  For example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degrees 
duration (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was about 215 and the early 
PI TR5/6 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to 
the original specs.  Bumping the compression ratio by a point and 
increasing the duration to something like 210-215 will make the engine 
the way it would have been without emission restrictions.  I would not 
feel guilty about polluting the planet, since most of these cars see few 
miles annually and most of the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition 
retard) probably quit working years ago.
  - Larry

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From: Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 15:43:05 -0500

Larry’s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose of the engine mentioned by the original poster.  “Track days” might mean different things to different people.  Does P. J. want a good flexible power band, or does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower figure?  Does the motor have the gear set to be able to take advantage of an engine with very little low-end torque? How high among his priorities is the ability to be able to drive the car back on the trailer at the end of every track weekend?  Lack of sponsorship and cash prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximizes the fun/cost ratio.

Duncan

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry Young <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> That is an interesting article, but only speaks to one side of the issue.  I always say that you want to pick an intake duration for an RPM range that you're willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to a stock TR4 crank which sees >6,000 on a regular basis.  Some guys want a cam good beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push it that far. Nowadays I'm more of a street car guy, but still like to have power.  I don't believe the choices should be to do nothing or go all the way to race specs.  From 1968 on Triumphs were severely detuned to pass emissions.  Compression ratio and duration and hence cam overlap at TDC were reduced.  For example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degrees duration (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was about 215 and the early PI TR5/6 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to the original specs.  Bumping the compression ratio by a point and increasing the duration to something like 210-215 will make the engine the way it would have been without emission restrictions.  I would not feel guilty about polluting the planet, since most of these cars see few miles annually and most of the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably quit working years ago.
> - Larry
>

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From: McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 17:44:48 -0500

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I can tell you that I already have a GT6 with a good flexible power band
and good reliability. It lacks quickness however, due in part to the TR6
engine which is not highly tuned  and I'm sure the gearing could be better
(3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for the highway.) My old car is
pretty much to the point where I don't want to do anything more to it so I
want to move on to another project.  This time I want to build a car that
snorts . I do however need to put it on and off the trailer and I'm not
thrilled about breaking parts with max. RPMs so I can't afford to go all
out.  I'm looking for quickness through the gears and good handling.
                                                         P.J.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan Charlton <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Larry=E2=80=99s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose of t=
he engine
> mentioned by the original poster.  =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D might mea=
n different things
> to different people.  Does P. J. want a good flexible power band, or does
> he need an ultimate dyno horsepower figure?  Does the motor have the gear
> set to be able to take advantage of an engine with very little low-end
> torque? How high among his priorities is the ability to be able to drive
> the car back on the trailer at the end of every track weekend?  Lack of
> sponsorship and cash prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximize=
s
> the fun/cost ratio.
> range that you're willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to a
> stock TR4 crank which sees >6,000 on a regular basis.  Some guys want a c=
am
> good beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push it that far.
> Nowadays I'm more of a street car guy, but still like to have power.  I
> don't believe the choices should be to do nothing or go all the way to ra=
ce
> specs.  From 1968 on Triumphs were severely detuned to pass emissions.
> Compression ratio and duration and hence cam overlap at TDC were reduced.
> For example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degrees duration (measured at
> 0.050), while the TR4 was about 215 and the early PI TR5/6 was 226. It
> seems crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to the original specs.
> Bumping the compression ratio by a point and increasing the duration to
> something like 210-215 will make the engine the way it would have been
> without emission restrictions.  I would not feel guilty about polluting t=
he
> planet, since most of these cars see few miles annually and most of the
> other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably quit working yea=
rs
> ago.
> >> Cam specs and static CR are interactive.  This will give you a rundown
> if you are not already knowledgeable about this subject:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compati=
bility
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I can tell you that I already have a GT6 with a good =
flexible power band and good reliability. It lacks quickness=C2=A0however,=
=C2=A0due in part to the TR6 engine=C2=A0which is not highly tuned=C2=A0=C2=
=A0and I&#39;m sure the gearing could be better (3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 tr=
ans.)( Good for the highway.)=C2=A0My old car is pretty much=C2=A0to the po=
int where I don&#39;t want to do anything more to it=C2=A0so I want to move=
 on to another project.=C2=A0=C2=A0This time=C2=A0I want to build a car tha=
t snorts . I do however need to put it on and off the trailer and I&#39;m n=
ot thrilled about breaking parts with max. RPMs so I can&#39;t afford to go=
 all out.=C2=A0 I&#39;m looking for quickness through the gears and good ha=
ndling.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.=C2=A0</di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, O=
ct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan Charlton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">duncan.charlton54@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Larry=E2=80=99=
s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose of the engine mentio=
ned by the original poster.=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D might mean d=
ifferent things to different people.=C2=A0 Does P. J. want a good flexible =
power band, or does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower figure?=C2=A0 Does =
the motor have the gear set to be able to take advantage of an engine with =
very little low-end torque? How high among his priorities is the ability to=
 be able to drive the car back on the trailer at the end of every track wee=
kend?=C2=A0 Lack of sponsorship and cash prizes mean that I must find the s=
etup that maximizes the fun/cost ratio.<br>
<br>
Duncan<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry Young &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cartrav=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; That is an interesting article, but only speaks to one side of the iss=
ue.=C2=A0 I always say that you want to pick an intake duration for an RPM =
range that you&#39;re willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to=
 a stock TR4 crank which sees &gt;6,000 on a regular basis.=C2=A0 Some guys=
 want a cam good beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push it tha=
t far. Nowadays I&#39;m more of a street car guy, but still like to have po=
wer.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t believe the choices should be to do nothing or go al=
l the way to race specs.=C2=A0 From 1968 on Triumphs were severely detuned =
to pass emissions.=C2=A0 Compression ratio and duration and hence cam overl=
ap at TDC were reduced.=C2=A0 For example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degree=
s duration (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was about 215 and the early P=
I TR5/6 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to the =
original specs.=C2=A0 Bumping the compression ratio by a point and increasi=
ng the duration to something like 210-215 will make the engine the way it w=
ould have been without emission restrictions.=C2=A0 I would not feel guilty=
 about polluting the planet, since most of these cars see few miles annuall=
y and most of the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably =
quit working years ago.<br>
&gt; - Larry<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 10/29/2015 7:25 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Cam specs and static CR are interactive.=C2=A0 This will give you =
a rundown if you are not already knowledgeable about this subject:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compres=
sion_ratio_compatibility" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://www.c=
rankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compatibility</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Duncan<br>
&gt;&gt; (Texas)<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
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From: Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:10:25 -0500

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P. J. =E2=80=94 I=E2=80=99m off away from camshafts here, but how much =
weight can you pull off the car?  Light wheels and tires can help but =
might be a ways down some peoples=E2=80=99 list for ways to reduce the =
weight of the car.  Already got a lightweight flywheel you can use?  =
Final drive change (or taller/lower profile tires to make an equivalent =
change) might be worthwhile to check out.  I have a tiny (NSU) race =
sedan that tops out at 93mph whether I have tall tires or low-sidewall =
tires (different rpm, obviously), so its speed is drag/power limited, =
and apparently not limited by having the wrong final drive ratio =E2=80=94=
 however opting for taller tires (or a lower numerical final drive =
ratio) means I=E2=80=99m not accelerating as quickly, plus the car=E2=80=99=
s center of gravity sits higher, which doesn=E2=80=99t help the =
handling.

Duncan

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 5:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> I can tell you that I already have a GT6 with a good flexible power =
band and good reliability. It lacks quickness however, due in part to =
the TR6 engine which is not highly tuned  and I'm sure the gearing could =
be better (3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for the highway.) My =
old car is pretty much to the point where I don't want to do anything =
more to it so I want to move on to another project.  This time I want to =
build a car that snorts . I do however need to put it on and off the =
trailer and I'm not thrilled about breaking parts with max. RPMs so I =
can't afford to go all out.  I'm looking for quickness through the gears =
and good handling.=20
>                                                          P.J.=20
>=20
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan Charlton =
wrote:
> Larry=E2=80=99s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose =
of the engine mentioned by the original poster.  =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=
=9D might mean different things to different people.  Does P. J. want a =
good flexible power band, or does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower =
figure?  Does the motor have the gear set to be able to take advantage =
of an engine with very little low-end torque? How high among his =
priorities is the ability to be able to drive the car back on the =
trailer at the end of every track weekend?  Lack of sponsorship and cash =
prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximizes the fun/cost =
ratio.
>=20
> Duncan
>=20
>=20
> > On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry Young <[email-masked] =
> >
> > That is an interesting article, but only speaks to one side of the =
issue.  I always say that you want to pick an intake duration for an RPM =
range that you're willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to =
a stock TR4 crank which sees >6,000 on a regular basis.  Some guys want =
a cam good beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push it that =
far. Nowadays I'm more of a street car guy, but still like to have =
power.  I don't believe the choices should be to do nothing or go all =
the way to race specs.  =46rom 1968 on Triumphs were severely detuned to =
pass emissions.  Compression ratio and duration and hence cam overlap at =
TDC were reduced.  For example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degrees =
duration (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was about 215 and the early =
PI TR5/6 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to =
the original specs.  Bumping the compression ratio by a point and =
increasing the duration to something like 210-215 will make the engine =
the way it would have been without emission restrictions.  I would not =
feel guilty about polluting the planet, since most of these cars see few =
miles annually and most of the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition =
retard) probably quit working years ago.
> >> Cam specs and static CR are interactive.  This will give you a =
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compatib=
ility =
<http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compati=
bility>
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">P. J. =E2=80=94 I=E2=80=99m off away from camshafts here, but =
how much weight can you pull off the car? &nbsp;Light wheels and tires =
can help but might be a ways down some peoples=E2=80=99 list for ways to =
reduce the weight of the car. &nbsp;Already got a lightweight flywheel =
you can use? &nbsp;Final drive change (or taller/lower profile tires to =
make an equivalent change) might be worthwhile to check out. &nbsp;I =
have a tiny (NSU) race sedan that tops out at 93mph whether I have tall =
tires or low-sidewall tires (different rpm, obviously), so its speed is =
drag/power limited, and apparently not limited by having the wrong final =
drive ratio =E2=80=94 however opting for taller tires (or a lower =
numerical final drive ratio) means I=E2=80=99m not accelerating as =
quickly, plus the car=E2=80=99s center of gravity sits higher, which =
doesn=E2=80=99t help the handling.<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Duncan</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct 31, 2015, at 5:44 PM, =
McKearn McKearn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">I can tell you that I already have a GT6 with =
a good flexible power band and good reliability. It lacks =
quickness&nbsp;however,&nbsp;due in part to the TR6 engine&nbsp;which is =
not highly tuned&nbsp;&nbsp;and I'm sure the gearing could be better =
(3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for the highway.)&nbsp;My old car =
is pretty much&nbsp;to the point where I don't want to do anything more =
to it&nbsp;so I want to move on to another project.&nbsp;&nbsp;This =
time&nbsp;I want to build a car that snorts . I do however need to put =
it on and off the trailer and I'm not thrilled about breaking parts with =
max. RPMs so I can't afford to go all out.&nbsp; I'm looking for =
quickness through the gears and good handling.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
P.J.&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan Charlton =
<span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Larry=E2=80=99s =
comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose of the engine =
mentioned by the original poster.&nbsp; =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D =
might mean different things to different people.&nbsp; Does P. J. want a =
good flexible power band, or does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower =
figure?&nbsp; Does the motor have the gear set to be able to take =
advantage of an engine with very little low-end torque? How high among =
his priorities is the ability to be able to drive the car back on the =
trailer at the end of every track weekend?&nbsp; Lack of sponsorship and =
cash prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximizes the fun/cost =
ratio.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Duncan<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
&gt; On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry Young &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt; That is an interesting article, but only speaks to one side of the =
issue.&nbsp; I always say that you want to pick an intake duration for =
an RPM range that you're willing and able to turn. We all know what =
happens to a stock TR4 crank which sees &gt;6,000 on a regular =
basis.&nbsp; Some guys want a cam good beyond 7,000, but they are just =
not willing to push it that far. Nowadays I'm more of a street car guy, =
but still like to have power.&nbsp; I don't believe the choices should =
be to do nothing or go all the way to race specs.&nbsp; =46rom 1968 on =
Triumphs were severely detuned to pass emissions.&nbsp; Compression =
ratio and duration and hence cam overlap at TDC were reduced.&nbsp; For =
example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degrees duration (measured at 0.050), =
while the TR4 was about 215 and the early PI TR5/6 was 226. It seems =
crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to the original specs.&nbsp; =
Bumping the compression ratio by a point and increasing the duration to =
something like 210-215 will make the engine the way it would have been =
without emission restrictions.&nbsp; I would not feel guilty about =
polluting the planet, since most of these cars see few miles annually =
and most of the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably =
quit working years ago.<br class=3D"">
&gt; - Larry<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt; On 10/29/2015 7:25 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote:<br class=3D"">
&gt;&gt; Cam specs and static CR are interactive.&nbsp; This will give =
you a rundown if you are not already knowledgeable about this =
subject:<br class=3D"">
&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;&gt; <a =
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From: "Spitfire Racing" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:24:57 -0400

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Putting a car on and off a trailer is what winches are made for. =
That=E2=80=99s the stuff that buggers clutches also.=20

Russ

=20

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of McKearn =
McKearn
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:45 PM
To: Duncan Charlton
Cc: Mike Piggot (new); FOT list
Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams

=20

I can tell you that I already have a GT6 with a good flexible power band =
and good reliability. It lacks quickness however, due in part to the TR6 =
engine which is not highly tuned  and I'm sure the gearing could be =
better (3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for the highway.) My old =
car is pretty much to the point where I don't want to do anything more =
to it so I want to move on to another project.  This time I want to =
build a car that snorts . I do however need to put it on and off the =
trailer and I'm not thrilled about breaking parts with max. RPMs so I =
can't afford to go all out.  I'm looking for quickness through the gears =
and good handling.=20

                                                         P.J.=20

=20

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan Charlton =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

Larry=E2=80=99s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose of =
the engine mentioned by the original poster.  =E2=80=9CTrack =
days=E2=80=9D might mean different things to different people.  Does P. =
J. want a good flexible power band, or does he need an ultimate dyno =
horsepower figure?  Does the motor have the gear set to be able to take =
advantage of an engine with very little low-end torque? How high among =
his priorities is the ability to be able to drive the car back on the =
trailer at the end of every track weekend?  Lack of sponsorship and cash =
prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximizes the fun/cost =
ratio.

Duncan

the way to race specs.  From 1968 on Triumphs were severely detuned to =

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Putting a car on and off a trailer is what winches are made for. =
That=E2=80=99s the stuff that buggers clutches also. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>McKearn =
McKearn<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Duncan Charlton<br><b>Cc:</b> Mike Piggot (new); FOT =
list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Six cylinder =
cams<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
can tell you that I already have a GT6 with a good flexible power band =
and good reliability. It lacks quickness&nbsp;however,&nbsp;due in part =
to the TR6 engine&nbsp;which is not highly tuned&nbsp;&nbsp;and I'm sure =
the gearing could be better (3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for =
the highway.)&nbsp;My old car is pretty much&nbsp;to the point where I =
don't want to do anything more to it&nbsp;so I want to move on to =
another project.&nbsp;&nbsp;This time&nbsp;I want to build a car that =
snorts . I do however need to put it on and off the trailer and I'm not =
thrilled about breaking parts with max. RPMs so I can't afford to go all =
out.&nbsp; I'm looking for quickness through the gears and good =
handling.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
P.J.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sat, =
Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan Charlton &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Larry=E2=80=99s comments make me wonder =
the precise intended purpose of the engine mentioned by the original =
poster.&nbsp; =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D might mean different things =
to different people.&nbsp; Does P. J. want a good flexible power band, =
or does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower figure?&nbsp; Does the motor =
have the gear set to be able to take advantage of an engine with very =
little low-end torque? How high among his priorities is the ability to =
be able to drive the car back on the trailer at the end of every track =
weekend?&nbsp; Lack of sponsorship and cash prizes mean that I must find =
the setup that maximizes the fun/cost =
ratio.<br><br>Duncan<br><br><br>&gt; On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry =
Young &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; That is an interesting article, but only speaks =
to one side of the issue.&nbsp; I always say that you want to pick an =
intake duration for an RPM range that you're willing and able to turn. =
We all know what happens to a stock TR4 crank which sees &gt;6,000 on a =
regular basis.&nbsp; Some guys want a cam good beyond 7,000, but they =
are just not willing to push it that far. Nowadays I'm more of a street =
car guy, but still like to have power.&nbsp; I don't believe the choices =
should be to do nothing or go all the way to race specs.&nbsp; From 1968 =
on Triumphs were severely detuned to pass emissions.&nbsp; Compression =
ratio and duration and hence cam overlap at TDC were reduced.&nbsp; For =
example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degrees duration (measured at 0.050), =
while the TR4 was about 215 and the early PI TR5/6 was 226. It seems =
crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to the original specs.&nbsp; =
Bumping the compression ratio by a point and increasing the duration to =
something like 210-215 will make the engine the way it would have been =
without emission restrictions.&nbsp; I would not feel guilty about =
polluting the planet, since most of these cars see few miles annually =
and most of the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably =
quit working years ago.<br>&gt; - Larry<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 10/29/2015 =
7:25 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Cam specs and static CR are =
interactive.&nbsp; This will give you a rundown if you are not already =
knowledgeable about this subject:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; <a =
href=3D"http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio=
_compatibility" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compres=
sion_ratio_compatibility</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Duncan<br>&gt;&gt; =
(Texas)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =
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From: Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]>
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P.J is knowledgeable, smart and already has a good and reliable GT6.
He is capable of doing good things with these cars.
He has already made several mods to his car that were spot on.

The comments I have made were because I truly believe that he is ready to
race.
He built a 6 TR 250 years ago that was a racer already and (likely
regrettably) got rid of it.
he just needs a little encouragement and push to go the race car route with
a GT6.
>From what I know of him,
Be it track day or full on race car he is looking for something beyond what
he already has...

which obviously is joining our dark side.
Sure, he could buy a Gt6 racecar if he could find one.
But he is a tinkerer
and a guy that actually could build a good race car and already said he
knows it may take several years.

Take it slow and have fun with it P.J.
But there is no reason to build the same car you already have.
Something different,
Better and more useful for play.
for YOU, that is a demon that you can track day or eventually race.

Jason.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> engine which is not highly tuned  and I'm sure the gearing could be bette=
r
> pretty much to the point where I don't want to do anything more to it so =
I
>> Larry=E2=80=99s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose of =
the
>> engine mentioned by the original poster.  =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D m=
ight mean different
>> things to different people.  Does P. J. want a good flexible power band,=
 or
>> does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower figure?  Does the motor have th=
e
>> gear set to be able to take advantage of an engine with very little low-=
end
>> sponsorship and cash prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximiz=
es
>> range that you're willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to =
a
>> stock TR4 crank which sees >6,000 on a regular basis.  Some guys want a =
cam
>> don't believe the choices should be to do nothing or go all the way to r=
ace
>> Compression ratio and duration and hence cam overlap at TDC were reduced=
.
>> without emission restrictions.  I would not feel guilty about polluting =
the
>> other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably quit working ye=
ars
>> >> Cam specs and static CR are interactive.  This will give you a rundow=
n
>> http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compat=
ibility
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>P.J is knowledgeable, smart and already has a good an=
d reliable GT6. </div><div>He is capable of doing good things with these ca=
rs. </div><div>He has already made several mods to his car that were spot o=
n.</div><div><br></div><div>The comments I have made were=C2=A0because I tr=
uly believe that he is ready to race.</div><div>He built a 6 TR=C2=A0250 ye=
ars ago=C2=A0that was a racer already and (likely regrettably) got rid of i=
t.</div><div>he just needs a little encouragement and push to go the race c=
ar route with a GT6. </div><div>From what I know of him, </div><div>Be it t=
rack day or full on race car he is looking for something beyond what he alr=
eady has...</div><div><br></div><div>which obviously is joining our dark si=
de.</div><div>Sure, he could buy a Gt6 racecar if he could find one.</div><=
div>But he is a tinkerer </div><div>and a guy that actually could build a g=
ood race car and already said he knows it may take several years.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Take it slow and have fun with it P.J.</div><div>But there =
is no reason to build the same car you already have.</div><div>Something di=
fferent,=C2=A0</div><div>Better and more useful for play.</div><div>for YOU=
, that=C2=A0is a demon that you can track day or eventually race.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Jason.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at =
5:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I can tell you that I alr=
eady have a GT6 with a good flexible power band and good reliability. It la=
cks quickness=C2=A0however,=C2=A0due in part to the TR6 engine=C2=A0which i=
s not highly tuned=C2=A0=C2=A0and I&#39;m sure the gearing could be better =
(3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for the highway.)=C2=A0My old car is=
 pretty much=C2=A0to the point where I don&#39;t want to do anything more t=
o it=C2=A0so I want to move on to another project.=C2=A0=C2=A0This time=C2=
=A0I want to build a car that snorts . I do however need to put it on and o=
ff the trailer and I&#39;m not thrilled about breaking parts with max. RPMs=
 so I can&#39;t afford to go all out.=C2=A0 I&#39;m looking for quickness t=
hrough the gears and good handling.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan Charlton=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-l=
eft:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-lef=
t-style:solid"><span>Larry=E2=80=99s comments make me wonder the precise in=
tended purpose of the engine mentioned by the original poster.=C2=A0 =E2=80=
=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D might mean different things to different people.=C2=
=A0 Does P. J. want a good flexible power band, or does he need an ultimate=
 dyno horsepower figure?=C2=A0 Does the motor have the gear set to be able =
to take advantage of an engine with very little low-end torque? How high am=
ong his priorities is the ability to be able to drive the car back on the t=
railer at the end of every track weekend?=C2=A0 Lack of sponsorship and cas=
h prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximizes the fun/cost ratio.=
<br>
<br>
Duncan<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry Young &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cartrav=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; That is an interesting article, but only speaks to one side of the iss=
ue.=C2=A0 I always say that you want to pick an intake duration for an RPM =
range that you&#39;re willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to=
 a stock TR4 crank which sees &gt;6,000 on a regular basis.=C2=A0 Some guys=
 want a cam good beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push it tha=
t far. Nowadays I&#39;m more of a street car guy, but still like to have po=
wer.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t believe the choices should be to do nothing or go al=
l the way to race specs.=C2=A0 From 1968 on Triumphs were severely detuned =
to pass emissions.=C2=A0 Compression ratio and duration and hence cam overl=
ap at TDC were reduced.=C2=A0 For example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degree=
s duration (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was about 215 and the early P=
I TR5/6 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to the =
original specs.=C2=A0 Bumping the compression ratio by a point and increasi=
ng the duration to something like 210-215 will make the engine the way it w=
ould have been without emission restrictions.=C2=A0 I would not feel guilty=
 about polluting the planet, since most of these cars see few miles annuall=
y and most of the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably =
quit working years ago.<br>
&gt; - Larry<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 10/29/2015 7:25 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Cam specs and static CR are interactive.=C2=A0 This will give you =
a rundown if you are not already knowledgeable about this subject:<br>
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From: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:59:45 -0400

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Agree with the winch. Especially useful for hauling broken cars on. One of t=
he best things I did for my trailer.

On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Spitfire Racing <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

Putting a car on and off a trailer is what winches are made for. That=E2=80=99=
s the stuff that buggers clutches also.
Russ
=20
From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of McKearn McKearn
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:45 PM
To: Duncan Charlton
Cc: Mike Piggot (new); FOT list
Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams
=20
I can tell you that I already have a GT6 with a good flexible power band and=
 good reliability. It lacks quickness however, due in part to the TR6 engine=
 which is not highly tuned  and I'm sure the gearing could be better (3.27 r=
earend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for the highway.) My old car is pretty much t=
o the point where I don't want to do anything more to it so I want to move o=
n to another project.  This time I want to build a car that snorts . I do ho=
wever need to put it on and off the trailer and I'm not thrilled about break=
ing parts with max. RPMs so I can't afford to go all out.  I'm looking for q=
uickness through the gears and good handling.=20
                                                         P.J.=20
=20
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]=
m> wrote:
Larry=E2=80=99s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose of the e=
ngine mentioned by the original poster.  =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D might m=
ean different things to different people.  Does P. J. want a good flexible p=
ower band, or does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower figure?  Does the mot=
or have the gear set to be able to take advantage of an engine with very lit=
tle low-end torque? How high among his priorities is the ability to be able t=
o drive the car back on the trailer at the end of every track weekend?  Lack=
 of sponsorship and cash prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximiz=
es the fun/cost ratio.

Duncan

> That is an interesting article, but only speaks to one side of the issue. =
 I always say that you want to pick an intake duration for an RPM range that=
 you're willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to a stock TR4 cr=
ank which sees >6,000 on a regular basis.  Some guys want a cam good beyond 7=
,000, but they are just not willing to push it that far. Nowadays I'm more o=
f a street car guy, but still like to have power.  I don't believe the choic=
es should be to do nothing or go all the way to race specs.  =46rom 1968 on T=
riumphs were severely detuned to pass emissions.  Compression ratio and dura=
tion and hence cam overlap at TDC were reduced.  For example, the early TR25=
0/6 had 193 degrees duration (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was about 21=
5 and the early PI TR5/6 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a street car of t=
his era to the original specs.  Bumping the compression ratio by a point and=
 increasing the duration to something like 210-215 will make the engine the w=
ay it would have been without emission restrictions.  I would not feel guilt=
y about polluting the planet, since most of these cars see few miles annuall=
y and most of the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably q=
uit working years ago.
>> Cam specs and static CR are interactive.  This will give you a rundown if=
bility
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charl=
[email-masked]

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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l for hauling broken cars on. One of the best things I did for my trailer.<b=
r><br>Sent from my mobile device&nbsp;</div><div><br>On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:2=
4 PM, Spitfire Racing &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sp=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><meta http-equiv=
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t winches are made for. That=E2=80=99s the stuff that buggers clutches also.=
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t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Russ=
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;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>=
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pan></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;"> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailt=
o:[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>McKearn McKearn<br><b>=
Sent:</b> Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> Duncan Charlton<b=
r><b>Cc:</b> Mike Piggot (new); FOT list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Six cy=
linder cams<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I can tell you that I already have a=
 GT6 with a good flexible power band and good reliability. It lacks quicknes=
s&nbsp;however,&nbsp;due in part to the TR6 engine&nbsp;which is not highly t=
uned&nbsp;&nbsp;and I'm sure the gearing could be better (3.27 rearend-Toyot=
a T50 trans.)( Good for the highway.)&nbsp;My old car is pretty much&nbsp;to=
 the point where I don't want to do anything more to it&nbsp;so I want to mo=
ve on to another project.&nbsp;&nbsp;This time&nbsp;I want to build a car th=
at snorts . I do however need to put it on and off the trailer and I'm not t=
hrilled about breaking parts with max. RPMs so I can't afford to go all out.=
&nbsp; I'm looking for quickness through the gears and good handling.&nbsp;<=
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bsp; P.J.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, D=
uncan Charlton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Larry=E2=80=99s comments make me w=
onder the precise intended purpose of the engine mentioned by the original p=
oster.&nbsp; =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D might mean different things to dif=
ferent people.&nbsp; Does P. J. want a good flexible power band, or does he n=
eed an ultimate dyno horsepower figure?&nbsp; Does the motor have the gear s=
et to be able to take advantage of an engine with very little low-end torque=
? How high among his priorities is the ability to be able to drive the car b=
ack on the trailer at the end of every track weekend?&nbsp; Lack of sponsors=
hip and cash prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximizes the fun/c=
ost ratio.<br><br>Duncan<br><br><br>&gt; On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry Y=
oung &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; That is an interesting article, but only speaks to one=
 side of the issue.&nbsp; I always say that you want to pick an intake durat=
ion for an RPM range that you're willing and able to turn. We all know what h=
appens to a stock TR4 crank which sees &gt;6,000 on a regular basis.&nbsp; S=
ome guys want a cam good beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push=
 it that far. Nowadays I'm more of a street car guy, but still like to have p=
ower.&nbsp; I don't believe the choices should be to do nothing or go all th=
e way to race specs.&nbsp; =46rom 1968 on Triumphs were severely detuned to p=
ass emissions.&nbsp; Compression ratio and duration and hence cam overlap at=
 TDC were reduced.&nbsp; For example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degrees dura=
tion (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was about 215 and the early PI TR5/6=
 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to the original=
 specs.&nbsp; Bumping the compression ratio by a point and increasing the du=
ration to something like 210-215 will make the engine the way it would have b=
een without emission restrictions.&nbsp; I would not feel guilty about pollu=
ting the planet, since most of these cars see few miles annually and most of=
 the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably quit working y=
ears ago.<br>&gt; - Larry<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 10/29/2015 7:25 AM, Duncan Char=
lton wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Cam specs and static CR are interactive.&nbsp; This w=
ill give you a rundown if you are not already knowledgeable about this subje=
ct:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wi=
ki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compatibility" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cra=
nkshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compatibility</a><br>&gt=
;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Duncan<br>&gt;&gt; (Texas)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;=
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My first thought when I read =E2=80=9CI have to drive onto the =
trailer=E2=80=9D. I never drive onto the trailer. Learned that the hard =
way. A toasted rally clutch equals five or more winches from Harbor =
Freight, and when the crap hits the fan you don=E2=80=99t have to find =
thirty friends to get your dead lump onto the trailer.=20

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Agree with the winch. Especially useful for hauling broken cars on. =
One of the best things I did for my trailer.
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Spitfire Racing =
> Russ
> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">My first thought when I read =E2=80=9CI have to drive onto =
the trailer=E2=80=9D. I never drive onto the trailer. Learned that the =
hard way. A toasted rally clutch equals five or more winches from Harbor =
Freight, and when the crap hits the fan you don=E2=80=99t have to find =
thirty friends to get your dead lump onto the trailer.&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Scott Janzen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
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orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Agree with the winch. =
Especially useful for hauling broken cars on. One of the best things I =
did for my trailer.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my mobile =
device&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Spitfire Racing &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; =
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class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin:=
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serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Putting a car on and =
off a trailer is what winches are made for. That=E2=80=99s the stuff =
that buggers clutches also.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
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class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
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New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>McKearn =
McKearn<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Saturday, October 31, 2015 =
6:45 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Duncan Charlton<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mike Piggot (new); FOT =
list<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Six cylinder =
cams<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">I can tell you that I =
already have a GT6 with a good flexible power band and good reliability. =
It lacks quickness&nbsp;however,&nbsp;due in part to the TR6 =
engine&nbsp;which is not highly tuned&nbsp;&nbsp;and I'm sure the =
gearing could be better (3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for the =
highway.)&nbsp;My old car is pretty much&nbsp;to the point where I don't =
want to do anything more to it&nbsp;so I want to move on to another =
project.&nbsp;&nbsp;This time&nbsp;I want to build a car that snorts . I =
do however need to put it on and off the trailer and I'm not thrilled =
about breaking parts with max. RPMs so I can't afford to go all =
out.&nbsp; I'm looking for quickness through the gears and good =
handling.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; P.J.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan =
Charlton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Larry=E2=80=
=99s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose of the engine =
mentioned by the original poster.&nbsp; =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D =
might mean different things to different people.&nbsp; Does P. J. want a =
good flexible power band, or does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower =
figure?&nbsp; Does the motor have the gear set to be able to take =
advantage of an engine with very little low-end torque? How high among =
his priorities is the ability to be able to drive the car back on the =
trailer at the end of every track weekend?&nbsp; Lack of sponsorship and =
cash prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximizes the fun/cost =
ratio.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Duncan<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">&gt; On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry Young =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt; That is an interesting =
article, but only speaks to one side of the issue.&nbsp; I always say =
that you want to pick an intake duration for an RPM range that you're =
willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to a stock TR4 crank =
which sees &gt;6,000 on a regular basis.&nbsp; Some guys want a cam good =
beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push it that far. =
Nowadays I'm more of a street car guy, but still like to have =
power.&nbsp; I don't believe the choices should be to do nothing or go =
all the way to race specs.&nbsp; =46rom 1968 on Triumphs were severely =
detuned to pass emissions.&nbsp; Compression ratio and duration and =
hence cam overlap at TDC were reduced.&nbsp; For example, the early =
TR250/6 had 193 degrees duration (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was =
about 215 and the early PI TR5/6 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a =
street car of this era to the original specs.&nbsp; Bumping the =
compression ratio by a point and increasing the duration to something =
like 210-215 will make the engine the way it would have been without =
emission restrictions.&nbsp; I would not feel guilty about polluting the =
planet, since most of these cars see few miles annually and most of the =
other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably quit working =
years ago.<br class=3D"">&gt; - Larry<br class=3D"">&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt; On 10/29/2015 7:25 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote:<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt; Cam specs and static CR are interactive.&nbsp; This =
will give you a rundown if you are not already knowledgeable about this =
subject:<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_=
compatibility" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_rat=
io_compatibility</a><br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; =
Duncan<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; (Texas)<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt; =
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