Subject: Re: [Fot] Photos

From: Stephen Borowski <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 22:29:34 -0400

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Hello Ken,
My TR4 is a 1963 (original titled as a 1962 ?). I bought it around 1982 =
from Pop Wilson, father of Deny Wilson (SCCA Nationals winner in a TR6 =
back in the 80 & 90s). It has had many owners and raced in many =
organizations. The last time I raced it was 1989 in the last race at =
riverside raceway in CA. A four hour endurance race then they closed the =
track permanently. The car has a long history as a race car as early as =
1964. Its been siting at my home in San Diego under cover for 26 years. =
Recently my son and I tore it down to the bare frame and are rebuilding =
every single part of it. So I am looking for input from others as to =
modifications & improvements. Naturally I will need many parts and will =
contact you and others as we move along. We are finished with modifying =
the frame and have painted it BRG. I have just got the rear end housing =
back, modified to take ford type HD axils. I am currently installing a =
limited slip (Locker) with a 4:11 gear. I am building the leaf spring =
pack now. Do you know which extra spring to add to the pack? I read to =
use one extra middle size spring but I think it would be better to use =
one extra longest spring (cut of the ends) as the car does bottom out on =
the frame and the old Blue Streak 15 inch tires would burn the stock =
fender flair. The longer spring should help to limit the full travel, I =
think?
Yes I have purchased the HD front axils and will get the Goodparts aloy =
hubs with the bigger bearings. I have a pair of TR6 uprights which I =
have taken the old small axils out. Yes the steering rack will be solid =
mounted and I will shim it to make it as level as possible. I assume I =
will use the TR6 smaller caliper brackets and get all new calipers, =
disks and brakes. Any suggestions? I have torn the motor down and it =
looks in good shape. It had a G3 cam and modified stock pistons. I =
rebuilt it many times thirty years ago. I=E2=80=99m sure Ill be updating =
as many parts as possible, cam, pistons, crank improvement / seal, etc. =
So send me your latest list of parts. I have three old broken race =
transmissions, two of them A type OD. I will try to make one good one or =
move to the Toyota trans, TBD. The body goes to the shop next month =
after I have sandblaster the entire car to bare metal. I like the side =
air exhausts you put on your car! Did you use some existing duct. If so =
what is it? If you just cut the fender please send me the measurements =
and a couple of pictures as I want to do the same.

I will look up the steering arms and will send you a picture. If I =
don=E2=80=99t use them and they are the ones your looking for, Im sure =
we can work something out.=20

I=E2=80=99ll send some pictures of the car in the next e-mail if I can =
figure out how this MAC works?

Thank You,
Steve

I
> On Aug 12, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Kenneth Knight <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Steve:
> =20
> So what year TR is your racer?
> =20
> There are several steering arms, possible 3 or 4 as far as I can tell. =
 I think you received an email about this from another FOT member.  The =
length is the difference.  Moss used to sell a TR Parts manual that had =
all of the original part #=E2=80=99s in it, not sure if it still =
available.  It is not so much that that length will influence bump steer =
(except in amount of movement due to length of arm) it is the positon of =
the rack in relation to the arm.  Your steering rack should be mounted =
on those aluminum blocks that are sold (Moss 667-288), not soft mounts.  =
Then you set suspension at ride height of race car and shim from there.  =
In the picture I have sent I converted my quick steer rack to rod ends.  =
Then I use steel spacers to get rack arms level with suspension in the =
static resting position.  This will get rid of most, not all, of bump =
steer.  It also depends on how much travel you have, which is related to =
 length of springs, sway bars and a  host of other issues.  Getting rid =
of bump steer with stock tie rod ends is hard because they are tapered =
and you can=E2=80=99t shim them.  That is why I converted my rack.
> =20
> The arms that I use have part #3758 (left) and if you wind up having, =
but not needing, this arm I would buy it. =20
> =20
> Oh, and make sure you upgrade to new HD stub axle (661-293).  Those =
45+ year old axles can snap in a race car and hurt you!  Plus they flex =
and screw up your braking. =20
> =20
> Shameless commerce (as tappet brothers on NPR used to say) and just to =
let you know.  I have a side TR racing parts business.  I supply alum =
distributor pedestals, new race cams, timing gears, ported heads and =
other parts.  I am also a Moss distributor, my cost is around 25% of =
retail and I charge +10% over invoice for parts and they can be dropped =
shipped to you.  I use PayPal.
> =20
> I attached a photo of my car with Kastner and the Kastner Cup which I =
won at Road America in 2013.  Always happy to help a fellow racer if I =
can.
> =20
> Cheers, Ken
> =20

> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:15 AM
> To: 'Kenneth Knight'
> Subject: Photos
> =20
> Here you go.
> =20
> John Ellis, GISP
> GIS Manager
> =20
> Knight & Leavitt Associates, Inc.
> 4105 Wagon Trail Ave
> Las Vegas, NV 89118
> Website: www.klaenv.com <http://www.klaenv.com/>
> Phone: (702)897-2628
> Fax: (702) 897-8223
> =20

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Hello Ken,<div class=3D"">My TR4 is a 1963 (original titled =
as a 1962 ?). I bought it around 1982 from Pop Wilson, father of Deny =
Wilson (SCCA Nationals winner in a TR6 back in the 80 &amp; 90s). It has =
had many owners and raced in many organizations. The last time I raced =
it was 1989 in the last race at riverside raceway in CA. A four hour =
endurance race then they closed the track permanently. The car has a =
long history as a race car as early as 1964. Its been siting at my home =
in San Diego under cover for 26 years. Recently my son and I tore it =
down to the bare frame and are rebuilding every single part of it. So I =
am looking for input from others as to modifications &amp; improvements. =
Naturally I will need many parts and will contact you and others as we =
move along. We are finished with modifying the frame and have painted it =
BRG. I have just got the rear end housing back, modified to take ford =
type HD axils. I am currently installing a limited slip (Locker) with a =
4:11 gear. I am building the leaf spring pack now. Do you know which =
extra spring to add to the pack? I read to use one extra middle size =
spring but I think it would be better to use one extra longest spring =
(cut of the ends) as the car does bottom out on the frame and the old =
Blue Streak 15 inch tires would burn the stock fender flair. The longer =
spring should help to limit the full travel, I think?</div><div =
class=3D"">Yes I have purchased the HD front axils and will get the =
Goodparts aloy hubs with the bigger bearings. I have a pair of TR6 =
uprights which I have taken the old small axils out. Yes the steering =
rack will be solid mounted and I will shim it to make it as level as =
possible. I assume I will use the TR6 smaller caliper brackets and get =
all new calipers, disks and brakes. Any suggestions? I have torn the =
motor down and it looks in good shape. It had a G3 cam and modified =
stock pistons. I rebuilt it many times thirty years ago. I=E2=80=99m =
sure Ill be updating as many parts as possible, cam, pistons, crank =
improvement / seal, etc. So send me your latest list of parts. I have =
three old broken race transmissions, two of them A type OD. I will try =
to make one good one or move to the Toyota trans, TBD. The body goes to =
the shop next month after I have sandblaster the entire car to bare =
metal. I like the side air exhausts you put on your car! Did you use =
some existing duct. If so what is it? If you just cut the fender please =
send me the measurements and a couple of pictures as I want to do the =
same.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I will =
look up the steering arms and will send you a picture. If I don=E2=80=99t =
use them and they are the ones your looking for, Im sure we can work =
something out.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ll send some pictures of the car in the next e-mail =
if I can figure out how this MAC works?</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thank You,</div><div =
class=3D"">Steve</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I<br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Aug 12, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Kenneth Knight &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Steve:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D"">So what year TR is your racer?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D"">There are several steering arms, possible 3 or 4 as =
far as I can tell.&nbsp; I think you received an email about this from =
another FOT member.&nbsp; The length is the difference.&nbsp; Moss used =
to sell a TR Parts manual that had all of the original part #=E2=80=99s =
in it, not sure if it still available.&nbsp; It is not so much that that =
length will influence bump steer (except in amount of movement due to =
length of arm) it is the positon of the rack in relation to the =
arm.&nbsp; Your steering rack should be mounted on those aluminum blocks =
that are sold (Moss 667-288), not soft mounts.&nbsp; Then you set =
suspension at ride height of race car and shim from there.&nbsp; In the =
picture I have sent I converted my quick steer rack to rod ends.&nbsp; =
Then I use steel spacers to get rack arms level with suspension in the =
static resting position.&nbsp; This will get rid of most, not all, of =
bump steer.&nbsp; It also depends on how much travel you have, which is =
related to &nbsp;length of springs, sway bars and a&nbsp; host of other =
issues.&nbsp; Getting rid of bump steer with stock tie rod ends is hard =
because they are tapered and you can=E2=80=99t shim them.&nbsp; That is =
why I converted my rack.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">The arms =
that I use have part #3758 (left) and if you wind up having, but not =
needing, this arm I would buy it.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D"">Oh, and make sure you upgrade to new HD stub axle =
(661-293).&nbsp; Those 45+ year old axles can snap in a race car and =
hurt you!&nbsp; Plus they flex and screw up your braking.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D"">Shameless commerce (as tappet brothers on NPR used to =
say) and just to let you know.&nbsp; I have a side TR racing parts =
business.&nbsp; I supply alum distributor pedestals, new race cams, =
timing gears, ported heads and other parts.&nbsp; I am also a Moss =
distributor, my cost is around 25% of retail and I charge +10% over =
invoice for parts and they can be dropped shipped to you.&nbsp; I use =
PayPal.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">I attached a photo of my =
car with Kastner and the Kastner Cup which I won at Road America in =
2013.&nbsp; Always happy to help a fellow racer if I can.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D"">Cheers, Ken<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><div =
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10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>John Ellis =
[<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span=
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9:15 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'Kenneth Knight'<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Photos<o:p =
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class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
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0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">4105 =
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class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Email:<span=
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