Subject: Re: [Fot] Photos

From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 10:06:47 -0400

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Steve...
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Memories.  I certainly know Denny, and I knew Pop Wilson as well. =20
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Pop used to come visit our paddock when we raced the GATEWAY HISTORICS (an =
early Joe Marchetti event).  Pop was a sort of TRIUMP icon and visiting his=
 place was full of 'special' TRIUMPH treasures.  Back in those days any imp=
rovements you made to your car had to be from TRIUMPH, and POP still had th=
at stuff.
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Bill Dentinger
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Borowski <[email-masked]>
To: Kenneth Knight <[email-masked]>
Cc: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Aug 13, 2015 1:01 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Photos

Hello Ken,=20
My TR4 is a 1963 (original titled as a 1962 ?). I bought it around 1982 fro=
m Pop Wilson, father of Deny Wilson (SCCA Nationals winner in a TR6 back in=
 the 80 & 90s). It has had many owners and raced in many organizations. The=
 last time I raced it was 1989 in the last race at riverside raceway in CA.=
 A four hour endurance race then they closed the track permanently. The car=
 has a long history as a race car as early as 1964. Its been siting at my h=
ome in San Diego under cover for 26 years. Recently my son and I tore it do=
wn to the bare frame and are rebuilding every single part of it. So I am lo=
oking for input from others as to modifications & improvements. Naturally I=
 will need many parts and will contact you and others as we move along. We =
are finished with modifying the frame and have painted it BRG. I have just =
got the rear end housing back, modified to take ford type HD axils. I am cu=
rrently installing a limited slip (Locker) with a 4:11 gear. I am building =
the leaf spring pack now. Do you know which extra spring to add to the pack=
? I read to use one extra middle size spring but I think it would be better=
 to use one extra longest spring (cut of the ends) as the car does bottom o=
ut on the frame and the old Blue Streak 15 inch tires would burn the stock =
fender flair. The longer spring should help to limit the full travel, I thi=
nk?=20
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Yes I have purchased the HD front axils and will get the Goodparts aloy hub=
s with the bigger bearings. I have a pair of TR6 uprights which I have take=
n the old small axils out. Yes the steering rack will be solid mounted and =
I will shim it to make it as level as possible. I assume I will use the TR6=
 smaller caliper brackets and get all new calipers, disks and brakes. Any s=
uggestions? I have torn the motor down and it looks in good shape. It had a=
 G3 cam and modified stock pistons. I rebuilt it many times thirty years ag=
o. I=E2=80=99m sure Ill be updating as many parts as possible, cam, pistons=
, crank improvement / seal, etc. So send me your latest list of parts. I ha=
ve three old broken race transmissions, two of them A type OD. I will try t=
o make one good one or move to the Toyota trans, TBD. The body goes to the =
shop next month after I have sandblaster the entire car to bare metal. I li=
ke the side air exhausts you put on your car! Did you use some existing duc=
t. If so what is it? If you just cut the fender please send me the measurem=
ents and a couple of pictures as I want to do the same.=20
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I will look up the steering arms and will send you a picture. If I don=E2=
=80=99t use them and they are the ones your looking for, Im sure we can wor=
k something out. =20
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I=E2=80=99ll send some pictures of the car in the next e-mail if I can figu=
re out how this MAC works?=20
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Thank You,=20
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Steve=20
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On Aug 12, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Kenneth Knight <     [email-masked]> wrot=
e:   =20
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       Steve:     =20
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       So what year TR is your racer?     =20
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       There are several steering arms, possible 3 or 4 as far as I can tel=
l.  I think you received an email about this from another FOT member.  The =
length is the difference.  Moss used to sell a TR Parts manual that had all=
 of the original part #=E2=80=99s in it, not sure if it still available.  I=
t is not so much that that length will influence bump steer (except in amou=
nt of movement due to length of arm) it is the positon of the rack in relat=
ion to the arm.  Your steering rack should be mounted on those aluminum blo=
cks that are sold (Moss 667-288), not soft mounts.  Then you set suspension=
 at ride height of race car and shim from there.  In the picture I have sen=
t I converted my quick steer rack to rod ends.  Then I use steel spacers to=
 get rack arms level with suspension in the static resting position.  This =
will get rid of most, not all, of bump steer.  It also depends on how much =
travel you have, which is related to  length of springs, sway bars and a  h=
ost of other issues.  Getting rid of bump steer with stock tie rod ends is =
hard because they are tapered and you can=E2=80=99t shim them.  That is why=
 I converted my rack.     =20
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       The arms that I use have part #3758 (left) and if you wind up having=
, but not needing, this arm I would buy it.       =20
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       Oh, and make sure you upgrade to new HD stub axle (661-293).  Those =
45+ year old axles can snap in a race car and hurt you!  Plus they flex and=
 screw up your braking.       =20
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             =20
     =20
       Shameless commerce (as tappet brothers on NPR used to say) and just =
to let you know.  I have a side TR racing parts business.  I supply alum di=
stributor pedestals, new race cams, timing gears, ported heads and other pa=
rts.  I am also a Moss distributor, my cost is around 25% of retail and I c=
harge +10% over invoice for parts and they can be dropped shipped to you.  =
I use PayPal.     =20
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       I attached a photo of my car with Kastner and the Kastner Cup which =
I won at Road America in 2013.  Always happy to help a fellow racer if I ca=
n.     =20
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       Cheers, Ken     =20
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         From:          John Ellis [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:15 AM
To: 'Kenneth Knight'
Subject: Photos       =20
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Here you go.     =20
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       John Ellis, GISP     =20
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       GIS Manager     =20
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       Knight & Leavitt Associates, Inc.     =20
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       4105 Wagon Trail Ave     =20
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       Las Vegas, NV 89118     =20
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       Email: [email-masked]     =20
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       Website: www.klaenv.com     =20
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       Phone: (702)897-2628     =20
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       Fax: (702) 897-8223     =20
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<div>Steve...</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Memories.&nbsp; I certainly know Denny, and I knew Pop Wilson as well.=
&nbsp; </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Pop used to come visit our paddock when we raced the GATEWAY HISTORICS=
 (an early Joe Marchetti event).&nbsp; Pop was a sort of TRIUMP icon and vi=
siting his place was&nbsp;full of 'special' TRIUMPH treasures.&nbsp; Back i=
n those days any improvements you made to your car had to be from TRIUMPH, =
and POP still had that stuff.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Bill Dentinger</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

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>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Stephen Borowski &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Kenneth Knight &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Aug 13, 2015 1:01 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Photos<br>
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Hello Ken,
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<div>
My TR4 is a 1963 (original titled as a 1962 ?). I bought it around 1982 fro=
m Pop Wilson, father of Deny Wilson (SCCA Nationals winner in a TR6 back in=
 the 80 &amp; 90s). It has had many owners and raced in many organizations.=
 The last time I raced it was 1989 in the last race at riverside raceway in=
 CA. A four hour endurance race then they closed the track permanently. The=
 car has a long history as a race car as early as 1964. Its been siting at =
my home in San Diego under cover for 26 years. Recently my son and I tore i=
t down to the bare frame and are rebuilding every single part of it. So I a=
m looking for input from others as to modifications &amp; improvements. Nat=
urally I will need many parts and will contact you and others as we move al=
ong. We are finished with modifying the frame and have painted it BRG. I ha=
ve just got the rear end housing back, modified to take ford type HD axils.=
 I am currently installing a limited slip (Locker) with a 4:11 gear. I am b=
uilding the leaf spring pack now. Do you know which extra spring to add to =
the pack? I read to use one extra middle size spring but I think it would b=
e better to use one extra longest spring (cut of the ends) as the car does =
bottom out on the frame and the old Blue Streak 15 inch tires would burn th=
e stock fender flair. The longer spring should help to limit the full trave=
l, I think?
 </div>

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<div>
Yes I have purchased the HD front axils and will get the Goodparts aloy hub=
s with the bigger bearings. I have a pair of TR6 uprights which I have take=
n the old small axils out. Yes the steering rack will be solid mounted and =
I will shim it to make it as level as possible. I assume I will use the TR6=
 smaller caliper brackets and get all new calipers, disks and brakes. Any s=
uggestions? I have torn the motor down and it looks in good shape. It had a=
 G3 cam and modified stock pistons. I rebuilt it many times thirty years ag=
o. I=E2=80=99m sure Ill be updating as many parts as possible, cam, pistons=
, crank improvement / seal, etc. So send me your latest list of parts. I ha=
ve three old broken race transmissions, two of them A type OD. I will try t=
o make one good one or move to the Toyota trans, TBD. The body goes to the =
shop next month after I have sandblaster the entire car to bare metal. I li=
ke the side air exhausts you put on your car! Did you use some existing duc=
t. If so what is it? If you just cut the fender please send me the measurem=
ents and a couple of pictures as I want to do the same.
 </div>

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<div>
  <br>

 </div>

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<div>
I will look up the steering arms and will send you a picture. If I don=E2=
=80=99t use them and they are the ones your looking for, Im sure we can wor=
k something out.&nbsp;
 </div>

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<div>
  <br>

 </div>

=20
<div>
I=E2=80=99ll send some pictures of the car in the next e-mail if I can figu=
re out how this MAC works?
 </div>

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<div>
  <br>

 </div>

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<div>
Thank You,
 </div>

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<div>
Steve
 </div>

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  <br>

 </div>

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  <br>

 </div>

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On Aug 12, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Kenneth Knight &lt;
     <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">kknight@klaenv=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:
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ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Steve:</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So what year TR is your rac=
er?</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There are several steering =
arms, possible 3 or 4 as far as I can tell.&nbsp; I think you received an e=
mail about this from another FOT member.&nbsp; The length is the difference=
.&nbsp; Moss used to sell a TR Parts manual that had all of the original pa=
rt #=E2=80=99s in it, not sure if it still available.&nbsp; It is not so mu=
ch that that length will influence bump steer (except in amount of movement=
 due to length of arm) it is the positon of the rack in relation to the arm=
.&nbsp; Your steering rack should be mounted on those aluminum blocks that =
are sold (Moss 667-288), not soft mounts.&nbsp; Then you set suspension at =
ride height of race car and shim from there.&nbsp; In the picture I have se=
nt I converted my quick steer rack to rod ends.&nbsp; Then I use steel spac=
ers to get rack arms level with suspension in the static resting position.&=
nbsp; This will get rid of most, not all, of bump steer.&nbsp; It also depe=
nds on how much travel you have, which is related to &nbsp;length of spring=
s, sway bars and a&nbsp; host of other issues.&nbsp; Getting rid of bump st=
eer with stock tie rod ends is hard because they are tapered and you can=E2=
=80=99t shim them.&nbsp; That is why I converted my rack.</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The arms that I use have pa=
rt #3758 (left) and if you wind up having, but not needing, this arm I woul=
d buy it.&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Oh, and make sure you upgra=
de to new HD stub axle (661-293).&nbsp; Those 45+ year old axles can snap i=
n a race car and hurt you!&nbsp; Plus they flex and screw up your braking.&=
nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Shameless commerce (as tapp=
et brothers on NPR used to say) and just to let you know.&nbsp; I have a si=
de TR racing parts business.&nbsp; I supply alum distributor pedestals, new=
 race cams, timing gears, ported heads and other parts.&nbsp; I am also a M=
oss distributor, my cost is around 25% of retail and I charge +10% over inv=
oice for parts and they can be dropped shipped to you.&nbsp; I use PayPal.<=
/span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I attached a photo of my ca=
r with Kastner and the Kastner Cup which I won at Road America in 2013.&nbs=
p; Always happy to help a fellow racer if I can.</span>
      </div>

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<div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span>
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ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cheers, Ken</span>
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ize: 11pt;">
       <span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span>
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;">From:</span></b>
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<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>John Ellis [<a style=3D"=
color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span class=3D"Apple-conv=
erted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, A=
ugust 12, 2015 9:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'Kenneth Knigh=
t'<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Photos</s=
pan>
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&nbsp;
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Here you go.
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&nbsp;
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       <b><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">John Ellis, GISP</span><=
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nderline;" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jellis@klaen=
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