Subject: Re: [Fot] differential Pinion Height

From: "J.C. Hassall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:09:34 -0400

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Scott,

This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.  A 1/2" square piece of steel stock
inserted into a socket.  The steel bar thru the square stock was counter
balanced to give zero rotation.  With inch increments lightly notched into
the rod, it was easy to locate the bag of lead shot at precise locations.
When the rod tipped, the pinion torque was dead on.  BTW, the 2x4 was
supporting the diff front, not the drive flange.  It only took a few trials
to tighten the nut to the required torque.

hth

jim

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I'm replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled by
> the "set pinion height" instructions.  Here's what the workshop manual says
> (paraphrase):
>  - install the pinion head bearing without the normal 0.10" spacer between
> it and the pinion.
> - install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, shims or oil
> seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb
> - put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting the pinion,
> then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a maximum reading
>  (appears to be one of those special factory tools in the photo though none
> is cited)
> -this reading, subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of 0.10",
> determines the thickness of the "selective spacer required".
>
> Huh?  first of all, the spacer is 0.10" so how can there be a different
> thickness spacer?  The diagram shows no shims at this location.  Second and
> more important, why would the assembly move at all and produce any dial
> indicator readings, given that the pinion bearing assembly is torqued to
> 12-16 lb?
>
> These are not the instructions for shimming the spacer between the
> bearings, I understand those - though I am looking for ideas for a homemade
> preload gauge I could easily make up.
>
> Are the instructions missing something or am I?
>
> thanks!
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Scott,<div><br></div><div>This is how I set up my TR4=
 pinion.=C2=A0 A 1/2&quot; square piece of steel stock inserted into a sock=
et.=C2=A0 The steel bar thru the square stock was counter balanced to give =
zero rotation.=C2=A0 With inch increments lightly notched into the rod, it =
was easy to locate the bag of lead shot at precise locations.=C2=A0 When th=
e rod tipped, the pinion torque was dead on.=C2=A0 BTW, the 2x4 was support=
ing the diff front, not the drive flange.=C2=A0 It only took a few trials t=
o tighten the nut to the required torque.</div><div><br></div><div>hth</div=
><div><br></div><div>jim</div></div><div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_=
14f7b11188c64b9a" alt=3D"Inline image 1" width=3D"472" height=3D"354"><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><=
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mail_quote">On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Scott Janzen <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wra=
p:break-word">I&#39;m replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and=
 am puzzled by the &quot;set pinion height&quot; instructions.=C2=A0 Here&#=
39;s what the workshop manual says (paraphrase):<div>=C2=A0- install the pi=
nion head bearing without the normal 0.10&quot; spacer between it and the p=
inion.</div><div>- install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing space=
r, shims or oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb</div><div>- put a dial gaug=
e on the housing with the plunger contacting the pinion, then putting downw=
ard pressure on the gauge, obtain a maximum reading =C2=A0(appears to be on=
e of those special factory tools in the photo though none is cited)</div><d=
iv>-this reading, subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of 0.10&quot;=
, determines the thickness of the &quot;selective spacer required&quot;.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Huh? =C2=A0first of all, the spacer is 0.10&quot; so=
 how can there be a different thickness spacer?=C2=A0 The diagram shows no =
shims at this location.=C2=A0 Second and more important, why would the asse=
mbly move at all and produce any dial indicator readings, given that the pi=
nion bearing assembly is torqued to 12-16 lb? =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>These are not the instructions for shimming the spacer between the beari=
ngs, I understand those - though I am looking for ideas for a homemade prel=
oad gauge I could easily make up.</div><div><br></div><div>Are the instruct=
ions missing something or am I?</div><div><br></div><div>thanks!</div></div=
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Wow
Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly line and doing a few hundred rear =
axles a day that way.

A Guinness or two at lunch and the next thing the whole contraption falls o=
ver and the lead shot goes everywhere, and the poor bloke spends the entire=
 work shift picking up tiny marbles. Quality control problem!!

Sure explains why the damn cars stopped being made and the British no longe=
r have an Empire.

And to think we race them......

All joking aside, that is pretty creative.

Jim

GT6 #6 Kastner
GT6 #4 Group 44
GT6 #5

Sent from my iPhone

[email-masked]>> wrote:

Scott,

This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.  A 1/2" square piece of steel stock ins=
erted into a socket.  The steel bar thru the square stock was counter balan=
ced to give zero rotation.  With inch increments lightly notched into the r=
od, it was easy to locate the bag of lead shot at precise locations.  When =
the rod tipped, the pinion torque was dead on.  BTW, the 2x4 was supporting=
 the diff front, not the drive flange.  It only took a few trials to tighte=
n the nut to the required torque.

hth

jim

[email-masked]>> wrote:
I'm replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled by the=
 "set pinion height" instructions.  Here's what the workshop manual says (p=
araphrase):
 - install the pinion head bearing without the normal 0.10" spacer between =
it and the pinion.
- install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, shims or oil s=
eal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb
- put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting the pinion, t=
hen putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a maximum reading  (appe=
ars to be one of those special factory tools in the photo though none is ci=
ted)
-this reading, subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of 0.10", determ=
ines the thickness of the "selective spacer required".

Huh?  first of all, the spacer is 0.10" so how can there be a different thi=
ckness spacer?  The diagram shows no shims at this location.  Second and mo=
re important, why would the assembly move at all and produce any dial indic=
ator readings, given that the pinion bearing assembly is torqued to 12-16 l=
b?

These are not the instructions for shimming the spacer between the bearings=
, I understand those - though I am looking for ideas for a homemade preload=
 gauge I could easily make up.

thanks!

l.com

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<div>Wow</div>
<div>Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly line and doing a few hundred =
rear axles a day that way.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A Guinness or two at lunch and the next thing the whole contraption fa=
lls over and the lead shot goes everywhere, and the poor bloke spends the e=
ntire work shift picking up tiny marbles. Quality control problem!!</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Sure explains why the damn cars stopped being made and the British no =
longer have an Empire.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And to think we race them......</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All joking aside, that is pretty creative.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jim</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>GT6 #6 Kastner</div>
<div>GT6 #4 Group 44</div>
<div>GT6 #5<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Aug 29, 2015, at 4:13 PM, J.C. Hassall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jhassall@gm=
ail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div>This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.&nbsp; A 1/2&quot; square piece of =
steel stock inserted into a socket.&nbsp; The steel bar thru the square sto=
ck was counter balanced to give zero rotation.&nbsp; With inch increments l=
ightly notched into the rod, it was easy to locate the
 bag of lead shot at precise locations.&nbsp; When the rod tipped, the pini=
on torque was dead on.&nbsp; BTW, the 2x4 was supporting the diff front, no=
t the drive flange.&nbsp; It only took a few trials to tighten the nut to t=
he required torque.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>hth</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>jim</div>
</div>
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&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">I'm replacing the bearings in the diff =
(w/Timken USA) and am puzzled by the &quot;set pinion height&quot; instruct=
ions.&nbsp; Here's what the workshop manual says (paraphrase):
<div>&nbsp;- install the pinion head bearing without the normal 0.10&quot; =
spacer between it and the pinion.</div>
<div>- install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, shims or =
oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb</div>
<div>- put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting the pini=
on, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a maximum reading &=
nbsp;(appears to be one of those special factory tools in the photo though =
none is cited)</div>
<div>-this reading, subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of 0.10&quo=
t;, determines the thickness of the &quot;selective spacer required&quot;.<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Huh? &nbsp;first of all, the spacer is 0.10&quot; so how can there be =
a different thickness spacer?&nbsp; The diagram shows no shims at this loca=
tion.&nbsp; Second and more important, why would the assembly move at all a=
nd produce any dial indicator readings, given that the
 pinion bearing assembly is torqued to 12-16 lb? &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>These are not the instructions for shimming the spacer between the bea=
rings, I understand those - though I am looking for ideas for a homemade pr=
eload gauge I could easily make up.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Are the instructions missing something or am I?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>thanks!</div>
</div>
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That=E2=80=99s pretty slick, but it doesn=E2=80=99t set the pinion =
height. The pinion height above the bearing determines where the teeth =
contact the drive gear. The lash from the shims on the right and left =
side of the spider determine the depth of engagement, but pinon height =
determines the point of engagement=E2=80=94either at the base of the =
driven gear, the middle (where it=E2=80=99s supposed to be) or the top. =
Unfortunately, lacking the factory gear bobs and gimcracks, the only way =
I know to do this is to guess, then install everything, paint the gear =
teeth with blue, and roll them through an engagement cycle. The pattern =
on the teeth tell you where you are. then take everything apart again, =
change stuff, and try again. Last time (two weeks ago) took me five =
tries to get it right, but that=E2=80=99s better than the first time I =
did it. I can now fix two things at once (height and depth), and I=E2=80=99=
ve learned to go in tiny increments (.003=E2=80=9D or less if you have a =
skinnier shim=E2=80=94the smallest from moss are .003=E2=80=9D but my =
stash has some .001=E2=80=9D in it of both the spider shims and the =
pinion shims. I don=E2=80=99t worry too much about the bearing preload =
for either the pinion or the spider. I figure if I don=E2=80=99t have =
shake in the pinion and can just barely get the diff out, then I=E2=80=99m=
 in the ballpark. I=E2=80=99m not trying to build a 50K mile, noiseless =
diff, I just want it to hold together in races and not be louder than my =
singing when I=E2=80=99m racing (yes, I do).=20

> On Aug 29, 2015, at 3:42 PM, James J Dolan <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
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> Wow
> Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly line and doing a few hundred =
rear axles a day that way.=20
>=20
> A Guinness or two at lunch and the next thing the whole contraption =
falls over and the lead shot goes everywhere, and the poor bloke spends =
the entire work shift picking up tiny marbles. Quality control problem!!
>=20
> Sure explains why the damn cars stopped being made and the British no =
longer have an Empire.=20
>=20
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> All joking aside, that is pretty creative.=20
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> Jim
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> GT6 #6 Kastner
> GT6 #4 Group 44
> GT6 #5
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> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 4:13 PM, J.C. Hassall <[email-masked] =
>=20
> Scott,
>=20
> This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.  A 1/2" square piece of steel =
stock inserted into a socket.  The steel bar thru the square stock was =
counter balanced to give zero rotation.  With inch increments lightly =
notched into the rod, it was easy to locate the bag of lead shot at =
precise locations.  When the rod tipped, the pinion torque was dead on.  =
BTW, the 2x4 was supporting the diff front, not the drive flange.  It =
only took a few trials to tighten the nut to the required torque.
>=20
> hth
>=20
> jim
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> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked] =
> I'm replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled =
by the "set pinion height" instructions.  Here's what the workshop =
manual says (paraphrase):
>  - install the pinion head bearing without the normal 0.10" spacer =
between it and the pinion.
> - install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, shims or =
oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb
> - put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting the =
pinion, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a maximum =
reading  (appears to be one of those special factory tools in the photo =
though none is cited)
> -this reading, subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of 0.10", =
>=20
> Huh?  first of all, the spacer is 0.10" so how can there be a =
different thickness spacer?  The diagram shows no shims at this =
location.  Second and more important, why would the assembly move at all =
and produce any dial indicator readings, given that the pinion bearing =
assembly is torqued to 12-16 lb? =20
>=20
> These are not the instructions for shimming the spacer between the =
bearings, I understand those - though I am looking for ideas for a =
homemade preload gauge I could easily make up.
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class=3D"">That=E2=80=99s pretty slick, but it doesn=E2=80=99t set the =
pinion height. The pinion height above the bearing determines where the =
teeth contact the drive gear. The lash from the shims on the right and =
left side of the spider determine the depth of engagement, but pinon =
height determines the point of engagement=E2=80=94either at the base of =
the driven gear, the middle (where it=E2=80=99s supposed to be) or the =
top. Unfortunately, lacking the factory gear bobs and gimcracks, the =
only way I know to do this is to guess, then install everything, paint =
the gear teeth with blue, and roll them through an engagement cycle. The =
pattern on the teeth tell you where you are. then take everything apart =
again, change stuff, and try again. Last time (two weeks ago) took me =
five tries to get it right, but that=E2=80=99s better than the first =
time I did it. I can now fix two things at once (height and depth), and =
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but my stash has some .001=E2=80=9D in it of both the spider shims and =
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I=E2=80=99m in the ballpark. I=E2=80=99m not trying to build a 50K mile, =
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<div class=3D"">Wow</div>
<div class=3D"">Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly line and doing =
a few hundred rear axles a day that way.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">A Guinness or two at lunch and the next thing the whole =
contraption falls over and the lead shot goes everywhere, and the poor =
bloke spends the entire work shift picking up tiny marbles. Quality =
control problem!!</div>
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<div class=3D"">Sure explains why the damn cars stopped being made and =
the British no longer have an Empire.&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"">And to think we race them......</div>
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piece of steel stock inserted into a socket.&nbsp; The steel bar thru =
the square stock was counter balanced to give zero rotation.&nbsp; With =
inch increments lightly notched into the rod, it was easy to locate the
 bag of lead shot at precise locations.&nbsp; When the rod tipped, the =
pinion torque was dead on.&nbsp; BTW, the 2x4 was supporting the diff =
front, not the drive flange.&nbsp; It only took a few trials to tighten =
the nut to the required torque.</div>
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<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"">I'm replacing the =
bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled by the "set pinion =
height" instructions.&nbsp; Here's what the workshop manual says =
(paraphrase):
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;- install the pinion head bearing without the =
normal 0.10" spacer between it and the pinion.</div>
<div class=3D"">- install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing =
spacer, shims or oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb</div>
<div class=3D"">- put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger =
contacting the pinion, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, =
obtain a maximum reading &nbsp;(appears to be one of those special =
factory tools in the photo though none is cited)</div>
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thickness of 0.10", determines the thickness of the "selective spacer =
required".</div>
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there be a different thickness spacer?&nbsp; The diagram shows no shims =
at this location.&nbsp; Second and more important, why would the =
assembly move at all and produce any dial indicator readings, given that =
the
 pinion bearing assembly is torqued to 12-16 lb? &nbsp;</div>
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Len Renkenberger wrote tech articles for the 6-pack in the early details of t=
hat TR6 club. He has a diff article that includes some trick that work for b=
uilding diffs. I've been happy with the ones I've built. Measuring pinion de=
pth before you remove the old pinion is a good place to start.

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> On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:17 PM, Bill Babcock <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> That=E2=80=99s pretty slick, but it doesn=E2=80=99t set the pinion height.=
 The pinion height above the bearing determines where the teeth contact the d=
rive gear. The lash from the shims on the right and left side of the spider d=
etermine the depth of engagement, but pinon height determines the point of e=
ngagement=E2=80=94either at the base of the driven gear, the middle (where i=
t=E2=80=99s supposed to be) or the top. Unfortunately, lacking the factory g=
ear bobs and gimcracks, the only way I know to do this is to guess, then ins=
tall everything, paint the gear teeth with blue, and roll them through an en=
gagement cycle. The pattern on the teeth tell you where you are. then take e=
verything apart again, change stuff, and try again. Last time (two weeks ago=
) took me five tries to get it right, but that=E2=80=99s better than the fir=
st time I did it. I can now fix two things at once (height and depth), and I=
=E2=80=99ve learned to go in tiny increments (.003=E2=80=9D or less if you h=
ave a skinnier shim=E2=80=94the smallest from moss are .003=E2=80=9D but my s=
tash has some .001=E2=80=9D in it of both the spider shims and the pinion sh=
ims. I don=E2=80=99t worry too much about the bearing preload for either the=
 pinion or the spider. I figure if I don=E2=80=99t have shake in the pinion a=
nd can just barely get the diff out, then I=E2=80=99m in the ballpark. I=E2=80=
=99m not trying to build a 50K mile, noiseless diff, I just want it to hold t=
ogether in races and not be louder than my singing when I=E2=80=99m racing (=
yes, I do).=20
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>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 3:42 PM, James J Dolan <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>>=20
>> Wow
>> Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly line and doing a few hundred rea=
r axles a day that way.=20
>>=20
>> A Guinness or two at lunch and the next thing the whole contraption falls=
 over and the lead shot goes everywhere, and the poor bloke spends the entir=
e work shift picking up tiny marbles. Quality control problem!!
>>=20
>> Sure explains why the damn cars stopped being made and the British no lon=
ger have an Empire.=20
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 4:13 PM, J.C. Hassall <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> Scott,
>>=20
>> This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.  A 1/2" square piece of steel stock i=
nserted into a socket.  The steel bar thru the square stock was counter bala=
nced to give zero rotation.  With inch increments lightly notched into the r=
od, it was easy to locate the bag of lead shot at precise locations.  When t=
he rod tipped, the pinion torque was dead on.  BTW, the 2x4 was supporting t=
he diff front, not the drive flange.  It only took a few trials to tighten t=
he nut to the required torque.
>>> I'm replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled by t=
he "set pinion height" instructions.  Here's what the workshop manual says (=
paraphrase):
>>>  - install the pinion head bearing without the normal 0.10" spacer betwe=
en it and the pinion.
>>> - install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, shims or oi=
l seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb
>>> - put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting the pinion=
, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a maximum reading  (ap=
pears to be one of those special factory tools in the photo though none is c=
ited)
>>> -this reading, subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of 0.10", det=
ermines the thickness of the "selective spacer required".
>>>=20
>>> Huh?  first of all, the spacer is 0.10" so how can there be a different t=
hickness spacer?  The diagram shows no shims at this location.  Second and m=
ore important, why would the assembly move at all and produce any dial indic=
ator readings, given that the pinion bearing assembly is torqued to 12-16 lb=
? =20
>>>=20
>>> These are not the instructions for shimming the spacer between the beari=
ngs, I understand those - though I am looking for ideas for a homemade prelo=
ad gauge I could easily make up.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Len Renkenberger wrote tech articles f=
or the 6-pack in the early details of that TR6 club. He has a diff article t=
hat includes some trick that work for building diffs. I've been happy with t=
he ones I've built. Measuring pinion depth before you remove the old pinion i=
s a good place to start.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 29,=
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<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8">That=
=E2=80=99s pretty slick, but it doesn=E2=80=99t set the pinion height. The p=
inion height above the bearing determines where the teeth contact the drive g=
ear. The lash from the shims on the right and left side of the spider determ=
ine the depth of engagement, but pinon height determines the point of engage=
ment=E2=80=94either at the base of the driven gear, the middle (where it=E2=80=
=99s supposed to be) or the top. Unfortunately, lacking the factory gear bob=
s and gimcracks, the only way I know to do this is to guess, then install ev=
erything, paint the gear teeth with blue, and roll them through an engagemen=
t cycle. The pattern on the teeth tell you where you are. then take everythi=
ng apart again, change stuff, and try again. Last time (two weeks ago) took m=
e five tries to get it right, but that=E2=80=99s better than the first time I=
 did it. I can now fix two things at once (height and depth), and I=E2=80=99=
ve learned to go in tiny increments (.003=E2=80=9D or less if you have a ski=
nnier shim=E2=80=94the smallest from moss are .003=E2=80=9D but my stash has=
 some .001=E2=80=9D in it of both the spider shims and the pinion shims. I d=
on=E2=80=99t worry too much about the bearing preload for either the pinion o=
r the spider. I figure if I don=E2=80=99t have shake in the pinion and can j=
ust barely get the diff out, then I=E2=80=99m in the ballpark. I=E2=80=99m n=
ot trying to build a 50K mile, noiseless diff, I just want it to hold togeth=
er in races and not be louder than my singing when I=E2=80=99m racing (yes, I=
 do).&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 29, 2015=
, at 3:42 PM, James J Dolan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" c=
lass=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-int=
erchange-newline"><div class=3D"">

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<div class=3D"">Wow</div>
<div class=3D"">Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly line and doing a fe=
w hundred rear axles a day that way.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">A Guinness or two at lunch and the next thing the whole cont=
raption falls over and the lead shot goes everywhere, and the poor bloke spe=
nds the entire work shift picking up tiny marbles. Quality control problem!!=
</div>
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<div class=3D"">Sure explains why the damn cars stopped being made and the B=
ritish no longer have an Empire.&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"">And to think we race them......</div>
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<div class=3D"">All joking aside, that is pretty creative.&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"">This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.&nbsp; A 1/2" square piec=
e of steel stock inserted into a socket.&nbsp; The steel bar thru the square=
 stock was counter balanced to give zero rotation.&nbsp; With inch increment=
s lightly notched into the rod, it was easy to locate the
 bag of lead shot at precise locations.&nbsp; When the rod tipped, the pinio=
n torque was dead on.&nbsp; BTW, the 2x4 was supporting the diff front, not t=
he drive flange.&nbsp; It only took a few trials to tighten the nut to the r=
equired torque.</div>
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.JPG&gt;</span><br class=3D"">
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Scott Janzen <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">sjanzen@m=
e.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br class=3D"">
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 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"">I'm replacing the bearings in=
 the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled by the "set pinion height" instructi=
ons.&nbsp; Here's what the workshop manual says (paraphrase):
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;- install the pinion head bearing without the normal 0=
.10" spacer between it and the pinion.</div>
<div class=3D"">- install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer,=
 shims or oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb</div>
<div class=3D"">- put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contactin=
g the pinion, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a maximum r=
eading &nbsp;(appears to be one of those special factory tools in the photo t=
hough none is cited)</div>
<div class=3D"">-this reading, subtracted from the normal spacer thickness o=
f 0.10", determines the thickness of the "selective spacer required".</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Huh? &nbsp;first of all, the spacer is 0.10" so how can ther=
e be a different thickness spacer?&nbsp; The diagram shows no shims at this l=
ocation.&nbsp; Second and more important, why would the assembly move at all=
 and produce any dial indicator readings, given that the
 pinion bearing assembly is torqued to 12-16 lb? &nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">These are not the instructions for shimming the spacer betwe=
en the bearings, I understand those - though I am looking for ideas for a ho=
memade preload gauge I could easily make up.</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Are the instructions missing something or am I?</div>
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 04:15:59 -0700

Silly me, I just stuck a (tiny) torque wrench on it.
http://www.sears.com/kd-tools-beam-torque-wrench-0-60-in-lbs/p-00999788000P

As Bill said, check the tooth pattern to get the depth right.  I got lucky
there, the new head bearing was the exact same thickness as the old one, so
the original shim pack thickness was still correct.
<http://s258.photobucket.com/user/TR3driver/media/Stag%20diff/DSCF0065.jpg.h
tml>

-- Randall

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of James J Dolan
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:42 PM
> To: J.C. Hassall
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] differential Pinion Height
> 
> Wow
> Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly line and doing a few hundred rear
> axles a day that way.
> 
> A Guinness or two at lunch and the next thing the whole contraption falls
> over and the lead shot goes everywhere, and the poor bloke spends the
> entire work shift picking up tiny marbles. Quality control problem!!
> 
> Sure explains why the damn cars stopped being made and the British no
> longer have an Empire.
> 
> supporting the diff front, not the drive flange.  It only took a few
> trials to tighten the nut to the required torque.
> 
> hth
> 
> jim
> 
> Inline image 1
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> Inline image 1
> 
> 
> 	I'm replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled
> by the "set pinion height" instructions.  Here's what the workshop manual
> says (paraphrase):
> 	 - install the pinion head bearing without the normal 0.10" spacer
> 	- install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, shims
> or oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb
> 	- put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting the
> pinion, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a maximum
> reading  (appears to be one of those special factory tools in the photo
> though none is cited)
> 	Huh?  first of all, the spacer is 0.10" so how can there be a
> different thickness spacer?  The diagram shows no shims at this location.
> Second and more important, why would the assembly move at all and produce
> any dial indicator readings, given that the pinion bearing assembly is
> torqued to 12-16 lb?
> 
> bearings, I understand those - though I am looking for ideas for a
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thanks, guys.  Between Glen, Bill and Jim, I know what to do.  The =
factory manual instructions must be some truncated version of what they =
used, having specific jigs and manufacturing directions.

On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:17 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:

That=92s pretty slick, but it doesn=92t set the pinion height. The =
pinion height above the bearing determines where the teeth contact the =
drive gear. The lash from the shims on the right and left side of the =
spider determine the depth of engagement, but pinon height determines =
the point of engagement=97either at the base of the driven gear, the =
middle (where it=92s supposed to be) or the top. Unfortunately, lacking =
the factory gear bobs and gimcracks, the only way I know to do this is =
to guess, then install everything, paint the gear teeth with blue, and =
roll them through an engagement cycle. The pattern on the teeth tell you =
where you are. then take everything apart again, change stuff, and try =
again. Last time (two weeks ago) took me five tries to get it right, but =
that=92s better than the first time I did it. I can now fix two things =
at once (height and depth), and I=92ve learned to go in tiny increments =
(.003=94 or less if you have a skinnier shim=97the smallest from moss =
are .003=94 but my stash has some .001=94 in it of both the spider shims =
and the pinion shims. I don=92t worry too much about the bearing preload =
for either the pinion or the spider. I figure if I don=92t have shake in =
the pinion and can just barely get the diff out, then I=92m in the =
ballpark. I=92m not trying to build a 50K mile, noiseless diff, I just =
want it to hold together in races and not be louder than my singing when =
I=92m racing (yes, I do).=20

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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
">thanks, guys. &nbsp;Between Glen, Bill and Jim, I know what to do. =
&nbsp;The factory manual instructions must be some truncated version of =
what they used, having specific jigs and manufacturing =
directions.<div><br><div><div>On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:17 PM, Bill Babcock =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><meta =
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style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">That=92s pretty =
slick, but it doesn=92t set the pinion height. The pinion height above =
the bearing determines where the teeth contact the drive gear. The lash =
from the shims on the right and left side of the spider determine the =
depth of engagement, but pinon height determines the point of =
engagement=97either at the base of the driven gear, the middle (where =
it=92s supposed to be) or the top. Unfortunately, lacking the factory =
gear bobs and gimcracks, the only way I know to do this is to guess, =
then install everything, paint the gear teeth with blue, and roll them =
through an engagement cycle. The pattern on the teeth tell you where you =
are. then take everything apart again, change stuff, and try again. Last =
time (two weeks ago) took me five tries to get it right, but that=92s =
better than the first time I did it. I can now fix two things at once =
(height and depth), and I=92ve learned to go in tiny increments (.003=94 =
or less if you have a skinnier shim=97the smallest from moss are .003=94 =
but my stash has some .001=94 in it of both the spider shims and the =
pinion shims. I don=92t worry too much about the bearing preload for =
either the pinion or the spider. I figure if I don=92t have shake in the =
pinion and can just barely get the diff out, then I=92m in the ballpark. =
I=92m not trying to build a 50K mile, noiseless diff, I just want it to =
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Being the poster child for ADD, it=E2=80=99s pretty random. Whatever got =
imprinted while I was driving to the track, usually. I whistle while =
I=E2=80=99m in the pits and it drives some folks crazy. They should hear =
my singing, they=E2=80=99d be grateful for the whistle.=20

> On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Barr, Scott <[email-masked]> =
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> OK, I=E2=80=99ll bite.  Just out of curiosity, what do you sing?
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> Scott B.
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> From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked] =
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:18 PM
> To: James J Dolan <[email-masked] =
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <[email-masked] =
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> On Aug 29, 2015, at 3:42 PM, James J Dolan <[email-masked] =
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> Wow
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Being the poster child for ADD, it=E2=80=99s pretty random. =
Whatever got imprinted while I was driving to the track, usually. I =
whistle while I=E2=80=99m in the pits and it drives some folks crazy. =
They should hear my singing, they=E2=80=99d be grateful for the =
whistle.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Aug 31, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Barr, Scott &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">OK, I=E2=80=99ll bite.&nbsp; Just out of =
curiosity, what do you sing?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Scott B.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><div =
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225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Bill Babcock<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Saturday, August 29, 2015 =
9:18 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>James J Dolan &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br=
 class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] differential =
Pinion Height<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">That=E2=80=99s pretty slick, but it =
doesn=E2=80=99t set the pinion height. The pinion height above the =
bearing determines where the teeth contact the drive gear. The lash from =
the shims on the right and left side of the spider determine the depth =
of engagement, but pinon height determines the point of =
engagement=E2=80=94either at the base of the driven gear, the middle =
(where it=E2=80=99s supposed to be) or the top. Unfortunately, lacking =
the factory gear bobs and gimcracks, the only way I know to do this is =
to guess, then install everything, paint the gear teeth with blue, and =
roll them through an engagement cycle. The pattern on the teeth tell you =
where you are. then take everything apart again, change stuff, and try =
again. Last time (two weeks ago) took me five tries to get it right, but =
that=E2=80=99s better than the first time I did it. I can now fix two =
things at once (height and depth), and I=E2=80=99ve learned to go in =
tiny increments (.003=E2=80=9D or less if you have a skinnier shim=E2=80=94=
the smallest from moss are .003=E2=80=9D but my stash has some .001=E2=80=9D=
 in it of both the spider shims and the pinion shims. I don=E2=80=99t =
worry too much about the bearing preload for either the pinion or the =
spider. I figure if I don=E2=80=99t have shake in the pinion and can =
just barely get the diff out, then I=E2=80=99m in the ballpark. I=E2=80=99=
m not trying to build a 50K mile, noiseless diff, I just want it to hold =
together in races and not be louder than my singing when I=E2=80=99m =
racing (yes, I do).&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On =
Aug 29, 2015, at 3:42 PM, James J Dolan &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">Wow<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly =
line and doing a few hundred rear axles a day that way.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">A Guinness or two at lunch and the next =
thing the whole contraption falls over and the lead shot goes =
everywhere, and the poor bloke spends the entire work shift picking up =
tiny marbles. Quality control problem!!<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Sure explains why the damn cars stopped =
being made and the British no longer have an Empire.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">And to think we race them......<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">All joking aside, that is pretty =
creative.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">Jim<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">GT6 #6 Kastner<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">GT6 #4 Group 44<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">GT6 #5<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif;"><br class=3D"">On Aug 29, 2015, at 4:13 PM, J.C. Hassall =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Scott,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.&nbsp; =
A 1/2" square piece of steel stock inserted into a socket.&nbsp; The =
steel bar thru the square stock was counter balanced to give zero =
rotation.&nbsp; With inch increments lightly notched into the rod, it =
was easy to locate the bag of lead shot at precise locations.&nbsp; When =
the rod tipped, the pinion torque was dead on.&nbsp; BTW, the 2x4 was =
supporting the diff front, not the drive flange.&nbsp; It only took a =
few trials to tighten the nut to the required torque.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">hth<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">jim<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">&lt;pinion preload tool.JPG&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div =
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New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&lt;pinion preload tool.JPG&gt;<o:p =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Scott =
Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style: none none none =
solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; =
padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">I'm =
replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled by the =
"set pinion height" instructions.&nbsp; Here's what the workshop manual =
says (paraphrase):<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;- install the pinion head bearing =
without the normal 0.10" spacer between it and the pinion.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">- install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, =
shims or oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">- put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting =
the pinion, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a =
maximum reading &nbsp;(appears to be one of those special factory tools =
in the photo though none is cited)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">-this reading, =
subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of 0.10", determines the =
thickness of the "selective spacer required".<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Huh? &nbsp;first of all, the spacer is =
0.10" so how can there be a different thickness spacer?&nbsp; The =
diagram shows no shims at this location.&nbsp; Second and more =
important, why would the assembly move at all and produce any dial =
indicator readings, given that the pinion bearing assembly is torqued to =
12-16 lb? &nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">These are not the instructions for shimming the =
spacer between the bearings, I understand those - though I am looking =
for ideas for a homemade preload gauge I could easily make up.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Are the instructions missing something or =
am I?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
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Yes, I give free driving instruction to others on the track. Of course =
if they actually heard what I yell at them there might be some =
confrontations later. I doubt their mothers really did any of the things =
I claim.=20

> On Aug 31, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Kas Kastner <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
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> I used to talk out loud and shout and things like that all the time " =
Get your ass out of my way". That would be typical. Sometimes less =
reverent.
>=20
> Never be beaten by equipment.
>=20
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> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Bill Babcock <[email-masked] =
> Being the poster child for ADD, it=E2=80=99s pretty random. Whatever =
got imprinted while I was driving to the track, usually. I whistle while =
I=E2=80=99m in the pits and it drives some folks crazy. They should hear =
my singing, they=E2=80=99d be grateful for the whistle.=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Barr, Scott <[email-masked] =
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> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums <http://www.team.net/forums>
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Bill Babcock
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Yes, I give free driving instruction to others on the track. =
Of course if they actually heard what I yell at them there might be some =
confrontations later. I doubt their mothers really did any of the things =
I claim.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Aug 31, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Kas Kastner &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">I used to talk out loud and shout and things like that all =
the time " Get your ass out of my way". That would be typical. Sometimes =
less reverent.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><p =
class=3D""><strong class=3D""><font color=3D"#000099" class=3D"">Never =
be beaten by equipment.</font></strong></p></div></div>
<br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 =
AM, Bill Babcock <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"-ms-word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">Being the poster child =
for ADD, it=E2=80=99s pretty random. Whatever got imprinted while I was =
driving to the track, usually. I whistle while I=E2=80=99m in the pits =
and it drives some folks crazy. They should hear my singing, they=E2=80=99=
d be grateful for the whistle.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug =
31, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Barr, Scott &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font:18px/normal =
Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px;white-space:normal" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11p=
t" class=3D"">OK, I=E2=80=99ll bite.&nbsp; Just out of curiosity, what =
do you sing?<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11p=
t" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11p=
t" class=3D"">Scott B.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11p=
t" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in =
0in;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-width:1pt" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" =
class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a =
style=3D"color:purple;text-decoration:underline" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></b>Bill Babcock<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span class=3D"">&nbsp;</span>Saturday, August 29, =
2015 9:18 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span>James J Dolan &lt;<a =
style=3D"color:purple;text-decoration:underline" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"">&nbsp;</span>'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph &lt;<a style=3D"color:purple;text-decoration:underline" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span class=3D"">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] =
differential Pinion Height<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D"">That=E2=80=99s pretty =
slick, but it doesn=E2=80=99t set the pinion height. The pinion height =
above the bearing determines where the teeth contact the drive gear. The =
lash from the shims on the right and left side of the spider determine =
the depth of engagement, but pinon height determines the point of =
engagement=E2=80=94either at the base of the driven gear, the middle =
(where it=E2=80=99s supposed to be) or the top. Unfortunately, lacking =
the factory gear bobs and gimcracks, the only way I know to do this is =
to guess, then install everything, paint the gear teeth with blue, and =
roll them through an engagement cycle. The pattern on the teeth tell you =
where you are. then take everything apart again, change stuff, and try =
again. Last time (two weeks ago) took me five tries to get it right, but =
that=E2=80=99s better than the first time I did it. I can now fix two =
things at once (height and depth), and I=E2=80=99ve learned to go in =
tiny increments (.003=E2=80=9D or less if you have a skinnier shim=E2=80=94=
the smallest from moss are .003=E2=80=9D but my stash has some .001=E2=80=9D=
 in it of both the spider shims and the pinion shims. I don=E2=80=99t =
worry too much about the bearing preload for either the pinion or the =
spider. I figure if I don=E2=80=99t have shake in the pinion and can =
just barely get the diff out, then I=E2=80=99m in the ballpark. I=E2=80=99=
m not trying to build a 50K mile, noiseless diff, I just want it to hold =
together in races and not be louder than my singing when I=E2=80=99m =
racing (yes, I do).&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">On Aug 29, 2015, at 3:42 PM, James J Dolan &lt;<a =
style=3D"color:purple;text-decoration:underline" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">Wow<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D"">Imagine building Triumphs =
on an assembly line and doing a few hundred rear axles a day that =
way.&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">A Guinness or two at lunch and the next thing the whole =
contraption falls over and the lead shot goes everywhere, and the poor =
bloke spends the entire work shift picking up tiny marbles. Quality =
control problem!!<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">Sure explains why the damn cars stopped being made and the =
British no longer have an Empire.&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D"">And to think we race =
them......<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">All joking aside, that is pretty creative.&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">Jim<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">GT6 #6 Kastner<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">GT6 #4 Group 44<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">GT6 #5<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt"><br class=3D"">On Aug 29, 2015, at =
4:13 PM, J.C. Hassall &lt;<a =
style=3D"color:purple;text-decoration:underline" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D"">Scott,<span =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.&nbsp; A 1/2" square piece =
of steel stock inserted into a socket.&nbsp; The steel bar thru the =
square stock was counter balanced to give zero rotation.&nbsp; With inch =
increments lightly notched into the rod, it was easy to locate the bag =
of lead shot at precise locations.&nbsp; When the rod tipped, the pinion =
torque was dead on.&nbsp; BTW, the 2x4 was supporting the diff front, =
not the drive flange.&nbsp; It only took a few trials to tighten the nut =
to the required torque.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D"">hth<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D"">jim<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in =
0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D"">&lt;pinion preload =
tool.JPG&gt;<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">&lt;pinion preload tool.JPG&gt;<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D"">On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at =
2:54 PM, Scott Janzen &lt;<a =
style=3D"color:purple;text-decoration:underline" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none =
solid;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6pt;margin-right:0in;margin-left:4.8pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);=
border-left-width:1pt" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in=
 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">I'm replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am =
puzzled by the "set pinion height" instructions.&nbsp; Here's what the =
workshop manual says (paraphrase):<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;- install the pinion head bearing without the normal =
0.10" spacer between it and the pinion.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">- install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, =
shims or oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">- put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting =
the pinion, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a =
maximum reading &nbsp;(appears to be one of those special factory tools =
in the photo though none is cited)<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">-this reading, subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of =
0.10", determines the thickness of the "selective spacer required".<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt" =
class=3D"">Huh? &nbsp;first of all, the spacer is 0.10" so how can there =
be a different thickness spacer?&nbsp; The diagram shows no shims at =
this location.&nbsp; Second and more important, why would the assembly =
move at all and produce any dial indicator readings, given that the =
pinion bearing assembly is torqued to 12-16 lb? &nbsp;<u class=3D""></u><u=
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instructions for shimming the spacer between the bearings, I understand =
those - though I am looking for ideas for a homemade preload gauge I =
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