Subject: Re: [Fot] Uprated stub axle kit / shims

From: Allen Washatko <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:58:09 -0500

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I needed much more. I made solid spacers on the lathe.

Allen
On Jul 28, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Dan Cronin wrote:

> Am putting the up-rated stub axle kit on my TR2 with TR6 front =20
> suspension / disc brakes and find that I need nearly 0.030 in shim =20
> thickness to allow the disk / wheel to turn without too much =20
> effort.  The instructions say to start with 0.015 and then (usually) =20=

> reduce to around 0.007 and then install the grease seal, inner =20
> bearing, spacer, shim pack, outer bearing, washer and nut torqued to =20=

> 45=9650 =91#.  Anyone else finding they need to use considerably more =
in =20
> the way of shims than the instructions indicate?
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putting the up-rated stub axle kit on my TR2 with TR6 front suspension / =
disc brakes and find that I need nearly 0.030 in shim thickness to allow =
the disk / wheel to turn without too much effort. &nbsp;The instructions =
say to start with 0.015 and then (usually) reduce to around 0.007 and =
then install the grease seal, inner bearing, spacer, shim pack, outer =
bearing, washer and nut torqued to 45=9650 =91#. &nbsp;Anyone else =
finding they need to use considerably more in the way of shims than the =
instructions =
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From: "Bill Tobin" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 22:51:23 -0400

Mine runs .018 to .020.
Bill
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Subject: [Fot] Uprated stub axle kit / shims

> Am putting the up-rated stub axle kit on my TR2 with TR6 front suspension 
> / disc brakes and find that I need nearly 0.030 in shim thickness to allow 
> the disk / wheel to turn without too much effort.  The instructions say to 
> start with 0.015 and then (usually) reduce to around 0.007 and then 
> install the grease seal, inner bearing, spacer, shim pack, outer bearing, 
> washer and nut torqued to 45–50 ‘#.  Anyone else finding they need to use 
> considerably more in the way of shims than the instructions indicate?
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From: Bruce Stutzman <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:18:33 -0400

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My TR4 has no shims.
Bruce Stutzman

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Dan Cronin <[email-masked]> wrote:

> / disc brakes and find that I need nearly 0.030 in shim thickness to allo=
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> the disk / wheel to turn without too much effort.  The instructions say t=
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> start with 0.015 and then (usually) reduce to around 0.007 and then insta=
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> the grease seal, inner bearing, spacer, shim pack, outer bearing, washer
> and nut torqued to 45=E2=80=9350 =E2=80=98#.  Anyone else finding they ne=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My TR4 has no shims.<div>Bruce Stutzman</div></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at =
9:22 PM, Dan Cronin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">Am putting the up-rated stub axle kit on my TR2 with=
 TR6 front suspension / disc brakes and find that I need nearly 0.030 in sh=
im thickness to allow the disk / wheel to turn without too much effort.=C2=
=A0 The instructions say to start with 0.015 and then (usually) reduce to a=
round 0.007 and then install the grease seal, inner bearing, spacer, shim p=
ack, outer bearing, washer and nut torqued to 45=E2=80=9350 =E2=80=98#.=C2=
=A0 Anyone else finding they need to use considerably more in the way of sh=
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:44:55 -0700

> the disk / wheel to turn without too much effort.  

Just a thought, what brand of wheel bearings are you using?  I ran into a
similar problem when doing a Stag differential some years ago, the
replacement bearing, although apparently correct otherwise, was a lot
thinner than the one I took out, requiring some .030" more in shims to get
the correct preload.

I saw the same thing with some cheap no-name "Made in India" bearings I was
going to use in a TR3 diff; they weren't even the same thickness as each
other!  (They went in the scrap bin.)

I'm beginning to think there is a reason that Timken bearings are more
expensive :)

BTW, RockAuto frequently has genuine Timken wheel bearings for a good price.
I bought a set for the TR3 just a couple of months ago, and the price with
shipping came to less than half what the usual suspects charge.

-- Randall

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From: Dan Cronin <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:15:09 -0400

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Thanks to everyone who contributed to my concerns about the amount of =
shims required to set up the stub axle upgrade.  As a result of what you =
all have indicated (0 to over 0.030=E2=80=9D shim pack or custom spacers =
 I no longer feel overly concerned with my 0.030 thickness.  For those =
wondering what bearings I have they are in fact Timken.  As a point of =
interest, I am using a TR2-3 RATCO frame that Tony set up to accept the =
full TR6 front suspension components to include the correct length lower =
wishbone inner fulcrum brackets.  R & P steering rack is a Revington =
welded bracket unit.  Front disk brakes are Toyota calipers, rear disk =
is a kit from Revington utilizing parts from early Rover (Acura).  Tube =
shocks at rear with a RATCO kit and all four shocks are Spax.  It=E2=80=99=
s been a fun project that I hope to have on the road within the next =
year=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.

On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Am putting the up-rated stub axle kit on my TR2 with TR6 front =
suspension
> / disc brakes and find that I need nearly 0.030 in shim thickness to =
allow
> the disk / wheel to turn without too much effort. =20

Just a thought, what brand of wheel bearings are you using?  I ran into =
a
similar problem when doing a Stag differential some years ago, the
replacement bearing, although apparently correct otherwise, was a lot
thinner than the one I took out, requiring some .030" more in shims to =
get
the correct preload.

I saw the same thing with some cheap no-name "Made in India" bearings I =
was
going to use in a TR3 diff; they weren't even the same thickness as each
other!  (They went in the scrap bin.)

BTW, RockAuto frequently has genuine Timken wheel bearings for a good =
price.
I bought a set for the TR3 just a couple of months ago, and the price =
with
shipping came to less than half what the usual suspects charge.

-- Randall

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D"">Thanks to everyone who =
contributed to my concerns about the amount of shims required to set up =
the stub axle upgrade. &nbsp;As a result of what you all have indicated =
(0 to over 0.030=E2=80=9D shim pack or custom&nbsp;spacers&nbsp; I no =
longer feel overly concerned with my 0.030 thickness. &nbsp;For those =
wondering what bearings I have they are in fact Timken. &nbsp;As a point =
of interest, I am using a TR2-3 RATCO frame that Tony set up to accept =
the full TR6 front suspension components to include the correct length =
lower wishbone inner fulcrum brackets. &nbsp;R &amp; P steering rack is =
a Revington welded bracket unit. &nbsp;Front disk brakes are Toyota =
calipers, rear disk is a kit from Revington utilizing parts from early =
Rover (Acura). &nbsp;Tube shocks at rear with a RATCO kit and all four =
shocks are Spax. &nbsp;It=E2=80=99s been a fun project that I hope to =
have on the road within the next year=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.</font><div =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></font><div><div class=3D"">On Jul 29, 2015, =
at 10:44 AM, Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Am putting the up-rated stub axle kit on my TR2 =
with TR6 front suspension<br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">/ disc brakes and find that I need nearly 0.030 =
in shim thickness to allow<br class=3D"">the disk / wheel to turn =
without too much effort. &nbsp;<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
class=3D"">Just a thought, what brand of wheel bearings are you using? =
&nbsp;I ran into a<br class=3D"">similar problem when doing a Stag =
differential some years ago, the<br class=3D"">replacement bearing, =
although apparently correct otherwise, was a lot<br class=3D"">thinner =
than the one I took out, requiring some .030" more in shims to get<br =
class=3D"">the correct preload.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I saw the =
same thing with some cheap no-name "Made in India" bearings I was<br =
class=3D"">going to use in a TR3 diff; they weren't even the same =
thickness as each<br class=3D"">other! &nbsp;(They went in the scrap =
bin.)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I'm beginning to think there is a =
reason that Timken bearings are more<br class=3D"">expensive :)<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">BTW, RockAuto frequently has genuine Timken =
wheel bearings for a good price.<br class=3D"">I bought a set for the =
TR3 just a couple of months ago, and the price with<br class=3D"">shipping=
 came to less than half what the usual suspects charge.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">-- Randall<br class=3D""><br =
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