Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)

From: "Marcel Van Mulders" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 17:04:17 +0200

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Strange how (towing) car habits are different in the USA and Europe. You are
wondering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be strong enough, maybe it
should  be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe, most  towing cars have a 2 litre
4 cyl engine, or even as small as a 1.4 litre.The biggest turbodiesel  Ford
Europe is offering, has just a 2 litre engine. Idem for Citroen, Renault and
Volkswagen(with the exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot
of 1600cc turbodiesels  towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre,
Mercedes  E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW and
Mercedes buyers can still get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do.
Fuel is expensive in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the
fuel consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be able to drive full size
cars with full size engines. In Europe, the engines get smaller and smaller.
Almost all VW Golfs are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In
Europe a 1.6 litre is  called a big engine in a VW Golf. Maybe in the USA
1.6 litre can do in a V-Twin bike, but only just?
Marcel.
 
  _____  

Van: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens marty
Verzonden: vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16
Aan: FOT
Onderwerp: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)

I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs, with
the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of the
F-250's.  Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings
throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 would be substantial
as I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work and back. Is anybody
on the list towing any weight with one of these new ones? How's is it
working out for you?

Marty

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lot of=20
1600cc turbodiesels&nbsp; towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 =
litre,&nbsp;=20
Mercedes&nbsp; E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW =
and=20
Mercedes buyers can still&nbsp;get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they =
rarely do.=20
Fuel is expensive in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with =
the fuel=20
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with=20
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Almost all VW=20
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[mailto:[email-masked]] <B>Namens =
</B>marty<BR><B>Verzonden:</B>=20
vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16<BR><B>Aan:</B> FOT<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> [Fot] =
Towing=20
(New F-150)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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max-tow=20
package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of the =
F-250's.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Since I only heavy tow a few =
times a=20
year the gas savings throughout the rest of the year compared to the =
F-250 would=20
be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work =
and back.=20
Is anybody on the list towing any weight with one of these new ones? =
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 12:53:26 -0400

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I think a lot of the differences between Europe and USA for trailering are w=
ithin trailer design itself.   U.S. Designed trailer have a much higher to t=
ongue weight where as axle position of European trailers make them much more=
 akin to flat towing a car.   And if you look at the world strongest man com=
petition, a single human can pull a 727 around.   Throw a bunch of tongue we=
ight on it and it taxes the towing vehicle much much more.=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel@telen=
et.be> wrote:
>=20
> Strange how (towing) car habits are different in the USA and Europe. You a=
re wondering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be strong enough, maybe it sh=
ould  be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe, most  towing cars have a 2 litre  4 c=
yl engine, or even as small as a 1.4 litre.The biggest turbodiesel  Ford Eur=
ope is offering, has just a 2 litre engine. Idem for Citroen, Renault and Vo=
lkswagen(with the exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of 1=
600cc turbodiesels  towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre,  Mercedes  E=
200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes buyers=
 can still get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel is expensive i=
n Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the fuel consumption. Y=
ou in the USA are lucky to be able to drive full size cars with full size en=
gines. In Europe, the engines get smaller and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs a=
re sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In Europe a 1.6 litre is =
 called a big engine in a VW Golf. Maybe in the USA 1.6 litre can do in a V-=
Twin bike, but only just?
> =20
>=20
> I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs, wi=
th the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of t=
he F-250's.  Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings throu=
ghout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 would be substantial as I p=
ut on about 250 miles per week just going to work and back. Is anybody on th=
e list towing any weight with one of these new ones? How=E2=80=99s is it wor=
king out for you?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I think a lot of the differences betwe=
en Europe and USA for trailering are within trailer design itself. &nbsp; U.=
S. Designed trailer have a much higher to tongue weight where as axle positi=
on of European trailers make them much more akin to flat towing a car. &nbsp=
; And if you look at the world strongest man competition, a single human can=
 pull a 727 around. &nbsp; Throw a bunch of tongue weight on it and it taxes=
 the towing vehicle much much more.&nbsp;<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><d=
iv><br>On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Marcel Van Mulders &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
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USA and Europe.&nbsp;You are&nbsp;wondering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel wil=
l be=20
strong enough, maybe it should&nbsp; be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe,=20
most&nbsp;&nbsp;towing cars have a 2 litre&nbsp;&nbsp;4 cyl engine, or even a=
s=20
small as a&nbsp;1.4 litre.The biggest turbodiesel&nbsp;&nbsp;Ford Europe is=20=

offering, has just a 2 litre engine. Idem&nbsp;for Citroen, Renault and=20
Volkswagen(with the exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot o=
f=20
1600cc turbodiesels&nbsp; towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre,&nbsp;=20=

Mercedes&nbsp; E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW and=
=20
Mercedes buyers can still&nbsp;get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do=
.=20
Fuel is expensive in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the f=
uel=20
consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be able to drive full size cars wit=
h=20
full size engines. In Europe, the engines get smaller and smaller. Almost al=
l VW=20
Golfs are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In Europe&nbsp;a 1=
.6=20
litre is&nbsp; called&nbsp;a big engine in a VW Golf. Maybe&nbsp;in the USA 1=
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litre&nbsp;can do in a&nbsp;V-Twin bike, but only just?</span></font></div>
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vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16<br><b>Aan:</b> FOT<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] Tow=
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(New F-150)<br></font><br></div>
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>I have been=20
checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs, with the max-tow=
=20
package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of the F-250's.<spa=
n style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Since I only heavy tow a few tim=
es a=20
year the gas savings throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 w=
ould=20
be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work and b=
ack.=20
Is anybody on the list towing any weight with one of these new ones? How=E2=80=
=99s is it=20
working out for you?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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From: "MadMarx" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:05:30 +0200

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When purchasing the IMSA TR8 I also thought about to buy it with the US =
trailer but I=E2=80=99ve dropped that idea.

Too wide, too heavy, different brake system, too high hitch load.

=20

US trailers are very different to Europe ones but looking more cool!

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

Von: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] Im Auftrag von Aaron
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015 18:53
An: Marcel Van Mulders
Cc: [email-masked]
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)

=20

I think a lot of the differences between Europe and USA for trailering =
are within trailer design itself.   U.S. Designed trailer have a much =
higher to tongue weight where as axle position of European trailers make =
them much more akin to flat towing a car.   And if you look at the world =
strongest man competition, a single human can pull a 727 around.   Throw =
a bunch of tongue weight on it and it taxes the towing vehicle much much =
more.=20

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Marcel Van Mulders =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

Strange how (towing) car habits are different in the USA and Europe. You =
are wondering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be strong enough, maybe =
it should  be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe, most  towing cars have a 2 =
litre  4 cyl engine, or even as small as a 1.4 litre.The biggest =
turbodiesel  Ford Europe is offering, has just a 2 litre engine. Idem =
for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with the exception of the Touareg). =
In Europe you can see a lot of 1600cc turbodiesels  towing a caravan. A =
BMW 525d has a 2 litre,  Mercedes  E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 =
litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes buyers can still get a 3 litre =
turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel is expensive in Europe and car =
taxes are rising exponentially with the fuel consumption. You in the USA =
are lucky to be able to drive full size cars with full size engines. In =
Europe, the engines get smaller and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs are =
sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In Europe a 1.6 litre is =
 called a big engine in a VW Golf. Maybe in the USA 1.6 litre can do in =
a V-Twin bike, but only just?

Marcel.

=20

  _____ =20

I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs, =
with the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the tow =
capacity of the F-250's.  Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the =
gas savings throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 would =
be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work =
and back. Is anybody on the list towing any weight with one of these new =
ones? How=E2=80=99s is it working out for you?

=20

Marty

Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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lang=3DEN-US =
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D'>When purchasing the IMSA TR8 I also thought about to buy it with the =
US trailer but I=E2=80=99ve dropped that idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Too wide, too heavy, different brake system, too high hitch =
load.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>US trailers are very different to Europe ones but looking more =
cool!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Im Auftrag von =
</b>Aaron<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015 18:53<br><b>An:</b> =
Marcel Van Mulders<br><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> =
Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I think =
a lot of the differences between Europe and USA for trailering are =
within trailer design itself. &nbsp; U.S. Designed trailer have a much =
higher to tongue weight where as axle position of European trailers make =
them much more akin to flat towing a car. &nbsp; And if you look at the =
world strongest man competition, a single human can pull a 727 around. =
&nbsp; Throw a bunch of tongue weight on it and it taxes the towing =
vehicle much much more.&nbsp;<br><br>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Marcel =
Van Mulders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.=
be</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>St=
range how (towing) car habits are different in the USA and =
Europe.&nbsp;You are&nbsp;wondering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be =
strong enough, maybe it should&nbsp; be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe, =
most&nbsp;&nbsp;towing cars have a 2 litre&nbsp;&nbsp;4 cyl engine, or =
even as small as a&nbsp;1.4 litre.The biggest =
turbodiesel&nbsp;&nbsp;Ford Europe is offering, has just a 2 litre =
engine. Idem&nbsp;for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with the exception =
of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of 1600cc =
turbodiesels&nbsp; towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre,&nbsp; =
Mercedes&nbsp; E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW =
and Mercedes buyers can still&nbsp;get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they =
rarely do. Fuel is expensive in Europe and car taxes are rising =
exponentially with the fuel consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be =
able to drive full size cars with full size engines. In Europe, the =
engines get smaller and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs are sold with a =
tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In Europe&nbsp;a 1.6 litre is&nbsp; =
called&nbsp;a big engine in a VW Golf. Maybe&nbsp;in the USA 1.6 =
litre&nbsp;can do in a&nbsp;V-Twin bike, but only =
just?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Ma=
rcel.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>] <b>Namens </b>marty<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 24 juli 2015 =
18:16<br><b>Aan:</b> FOT<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have been checking out =
the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs, with the max-tow package =
they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of the F-250's.=C2=A0 =
Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings throughout the =
rest of the year compared to the F-250 would be substantial as I put on =
about 250 miles per week just going to work and back. Is anybody on the =
list towing any weight with one of these new ones? How=E2=80=99s is it =
working out for you?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marty</span><o:p></o:p></p><=
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Would love to see this kind of trailer offered in North America.

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http://www.brianjames.co.uk/range/default.aspx?id=3D2

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Especially the clam shell type.

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Paul

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: July 26, 2015 1:06 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)

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Cheers

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Would love to see this kind of trailer offered in North =
America.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><a =
href=3D"http://www.brianjames.co.uk/range/default.aspx?id=3D2">http://www=
.brianjames.co.uk/range/default.aspx?id=3D2</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Especially the clam shell type.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>MadMarx<br><b>Sent:</b> July 26, 2015 1:06 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:<=
/b> [Bulk] Re: [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>When purchasing the IMSA TR8 I also thought about to buy it with the =
US trailer but I=E2=80=99ve dropped that idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Too wide, too heavy, different brake system, too high hitch =
load.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>US trailers are very different to Europe ones but looking more =
cool!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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Paul,

The Morgan dealer in Colorado Springs (they=E2=80=99ve just shut down) =
was selling short versions of the clamshell type sized to fit the new =
V-twin Morgan three wheelers (I=E2=80=99m not sure how long the interior =
is).  Maybe he has some left.

Duncan

> On Jul 26, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Paul MacDonald <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
> http://www.brianjames.co.uk/range/default.aspx?id=3D2 =
<http://www.brianjames.co.uk/range/default.aspx?id=3D2>
> From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked] =
> When purchasing the IMSA TR8 I also thought about to buy it with the =
US trailer but I=E2=80=99ve dropped that idea.
> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Paul,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">The =
Morgan dealer in Colorado Springs (they=E2=80=99ve just shut down) was =
selling short versions of the clamshell type sized to fit the new V-twin =
Morgan three wheelers (I=E2=80=99m not sure how long the interior is). =
&nbsp;Maybe he has some left.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Duncan</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul 26, 2015, at 1:31 PM, =
Paul MacDonald &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin:=
 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Would love to see this =
kind of trailer offered in North America.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.brianjames.co.uk/range/default.aspx?id=3D2" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://www.brianjames.co.uk/range/default.aspx?id=3D2</a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Especially the clam =
shell type.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Paul<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: =
3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>MadMarx<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>July 26, 2015 1:06 PM<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Bulk] Re: [Fot] Towing =
(New F-150)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">When purchasing the IMSA TR8 I also thought about to buy it =
with the US trailer but I=E2=80=99ve dropped that idea.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Too wide, too heavy, =
different brake system, too high hitch load.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">US trailers are very different to Europe ones but looking =
more cool!<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Cheers<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Chris<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br =
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0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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!important;" class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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