Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)

From: "Bill Tobin" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:50:30 -0400

I really like my RAM 1500, second one in 4 years.
It'll tow my trailer anywhere and gets over 20 on the highway when not 
towing. 9-12 when towing.
Nowhere near 60K; I think it was around 38K before "incentives"
Yes, it's a HEMI!
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Snook" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)

> We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150.  He loves it.  Says it tows 
> a
> 7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there!
>
> Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!
>
> Jeff Snook
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From: davehogye <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 21:36:48 +0000 (UTC)

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The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel version. That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the towing and payload has gone up. Sounds good to me. I built a SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got the price up to $46K. Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts and incentives. It's sounding better every day. 
I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago. 

Dave H. 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jeff Snook" <[email-masked]> 
To: [email-masked] 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:25:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150) 

We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150. He loves it. Says it tows a 
7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there! 

Jeff Snook 

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From: John Styduhar <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:24:29 -0400

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I would wait a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until
the powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and diagnosed.
Unless you want to be the lab rat.  I've owned three F150s and the 2009 I
currently own is the worst.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel
> version.  That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the
> towing and payload has gone up.  Sounds good to me.  I built a SuperCrew
> FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got the price up
> to $46K.  Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts and incentives.
> It's sounding better every day.
> I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton
> trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago.
>
> Dave H.
>
>
>
>
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> *Sent: *Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:25:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I w=
ould wait a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until the=
 powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and diagnosed.=C2=
=A0 Unless you want to be the lab rat.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve owned three F150s and=
 the 2009 I currently own is the worst.=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, da=
vehogye <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#00=
0000"><div>The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the la=
st steel version.=C2=A0 That&#39;s a lot of weight off during daily driving=
 routines and the towing and payload has gone up.=C2=A0 Sounds good to me.=
=C2=A0 I built a SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank=
 you, and got the price up to $46K.=C2=A0 Now they are offering up to $8K i=
n discounts and incentives.=C2=A0 It&#39;s sounding better every day.</div>=
<div>I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton =
trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Dave H.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><hr><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-sty=
le:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-=
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25:34 PM<span class=3D""><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)<b=
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w aluminum F150.=C2=A0 He loves it.=C2=A0 Says it tows a<br>7K lb. trailer =
and doesn&#39;t even know it&#39;s there! =C2=A0<br><div><br></div>Sweet tr=
uck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!<br><div><br></div>Jeff Snook<br></span><sp=
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From: Chip Collingwood <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:29:11 -0400

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Very interested in this thread as well. I have been looking a little bit
and thinking about downsizing both my trailer and tow rig.

I have an 06 Dodge 3500 Cummins single axle 2wd that I currently tow my 24'
with. It does very well when up to speed, plenty of torque to go up any
mountain while towing. The downside has been twofold for me. I chose the
6-speed manual Getrag gearbox over the automatic at the time in 06 because
of Chrysler's problems with their auto gearboxes. Because of this choice
the truck has inadequate acceleration from a stop both towing and not.
Rather keep my shifting to the racecar at this point. The other issue is
the lack of 4wheel drive. Also chose this option as I figured in Virginia I
didn't need it and I could get rack and pinion steering with out it. Well
the winters have been lousy the last few years and although not used that
much it would have been nice to have. Even parking in the paddock with 4wd
would help in soft grassy areas. Low on the list of options has been the
interior trim. The cloth seats in the Dodge need cleaning and are prone to
any type of staining...I will go with leather next time.

Maybe waiting on the diesel offering from Toyota...but for sure give the
new Ford platform a couple years

Chip Collingwood
theukmotorsports.com
(804) 564-1839

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;color:#0000ff">Very interested in this thread as well. I h=
ave been looking a little bit and thinking about downsizing both my trailer=
 and tow rig.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic =
sans ms,sans-serif;color:#0000ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;color:#0000ff">I have an 06 Dod=
ge 3500 Cummins single axle 2wd that I currently tow my 24&#39; with. It do=
es very well when up to speed, plenty of torque to go up any mountain while=
 towing. The downside has been twofold for me. I chose the 6-speed manual G=
etrag gearbox over the automatic at the time in 06 because of Chrysler&#39;=
s problems with their auto gearboxes. Because of this choice the truck has =
inadequate acceleration from a stop both towing and not. Rather keep my shi=
fting to the racecar at this point. The other issue is the lack of 4wheel d=
rive. Also chose this option as I figured in Virginia I didn&#39;t need it =
and I could get rack and pinion steering with out it. Well the winters have=
 been lousy the last few years and although not used that much it would hav=
e been nice to have. Even parking in the paddock with 4wd would help in sof=
t grassy areas. Low on the list of options has been the interior trim. The =
cloth seats in the Dodge need cleaning and are prone to any type of stainin=
g...I will go with leather next time.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;color:#0000ff"><br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;color:#=
0000ff">Maybe waiting on the diesel offering from Toyota...but for sure giv=
e the new Ford platform a couple years</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;color:#0000ff"><br></div><div c=
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s.com</a></div><div>(804) 564-1839</div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 9:24 AM, John Styduh=
ar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sm=
all">I would wait a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) u=
ntil the powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and diagnos=
ed.=C2=A0 Unless you want to be the lab rat.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve owned three F15=
0s and the 2009 I currently own is the worst.=C2=A0</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On S=
at, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</spa=
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h5"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div=
>The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel v=
ersion.=C2=A0 That&#39;s a lot of weight off during daily driving routines =
and the towing and payload has gone up.=C2=A0 Sounds good to me.=C2=A0 I bu=
ilt a SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and g=
ot the price up to $46K.=C2=A0 Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts=
 and incentives.=C2=A0 It&#39;s sounding better every day.</div><div>I read=
 an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton trucks that=
 bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Dave H.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><hr><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;t=
ext-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">=
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ys it tows a<br>7K lb. trailer and doesn&#39;t even know it&#39;s there! =
=C2=A0<br><div><br></div>Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!<br><div><=
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From: Bob Kramer <[email-masked]>
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Somebody has said elsewhere that turbo life is expected to be in the 80k ran=
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ing better every day.
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 life is expected to be in the 80k range, and it will be an expensive mainte=
nance item.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 25, 2015, at 4:3=
6 PM, davehogye &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"=
font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div aria-label=3D"Comp=
ose body">The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last=
 steel version. &nbsp;That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routin=
es and the towing and payload has gone up. &nbsp;Sounds good to me. &nbsp;I b=
uilt a SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and g=
ot the price up to $46K. &nbsp;Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts a=
nd incentives. &nbsp;It's sounding better every day.</div><div aria-label=3D=
"Compose body">I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on=
 1/2 ton trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years a=
go.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label=3D"Compo=
se body">Dave H.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-l=
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[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, July 2=
5, 2015 12:25:34 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)<br><div>=
<br></div>We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150. &nbsp;He loves it. &=
nbsp;Says it tows a<br>7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there! &nbs=
p;<br><div><br></div>Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!<br><div><br></=
div>Jeff Snook<br><a href=3D"http://www.snooksdreamcars.com">http://www.snoo=
ksdreamcars.com</a><br>419-344-0319 (Mobile)<br><div><br></div><br><div><br>=
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From: Bob Kramer <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:25:18 -0500

I'd be happy towing a one car trailer with most any 1500 properly set up. I'm towing a 28 foot enclosed with two TR's inside. That's just over 10,000 lbs. and even with my 2500HD I am not completely comfortable. Downsizing to a max tow 1500 scares me.

Sent from my iPhone

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> It'll tow my trailer anywhere and gets over 20 on the highway when not towing. 9-12 when towing.
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From: davehogye <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 15:43:29 +0000 (UTC)

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The Ecoboost has to work harder than the V8 and the fuel savings is minimal. I'll take a V8 over the turbo six. The V8 gets better fuel mileage than my Toyota Tacoma and can tow a house. Nice thing about the Toyota is it has great resale value. My '02 with 85K miles has a value close to $17K if not more and people will be lining up for it. 

Dave 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bob Kramer" <[email-masked]> 
To: "davehogye" <[email-masked]> 
Cc: "Jeff Snook" <[email-masked]>, "Friends of Triumph" <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 8:21:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150) 

Somebody has said elsewhere that turbo life is expected to be in the 80k range, and it will be an expensive maintenance item. 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Jul 25, 2015, at 4:36 PM, davehogye < [email-masked] > wrote: 

Dave H. 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jeff Snook" < [email-masked] > 
To: [email-masked] 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:25:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150) 

Jeff Snook 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">The Ecoboost has to work harder than t=
he V8 and the fuel savings is minimal. &nbsp;I'll take a V8 over the turbo =
six. &nbsp;The V8 gets better fuel mileage than my Toyota Tacoma and can to=
w a house. &nbsp;Nice thing about the Toyota is it has great resale value. =
&nbsp;My '02 with 85K miles has a value close to $17K if not more and peopl=
e will be lining up for it. &nbsp;</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><b=
r></div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">Dave</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D=
"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-=
decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-d=
ecoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"=
><b>From: </b>"Bob Kramer" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"da=
vehogye" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"Jeff Snook" &lt;jeffsno=
[email-masked]&gt;, "Friends of Triumph" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>S=
ent: </b>Sunday, July 26, 2015 8:21:07 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Towi=
ng (New F-150)<br><div><br></div><div>Somebody has said elsewhere that turb=
o life is expected to be in the 80k range, and it will be an expensive main=
tenance item.<br><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 25=
, 2015, at 4:36 PM, davehogye &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dlhogye@comcas=
t.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div><br></div></div><blockquote><div><div style=3D=
"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><div>The new aluminum tr=
uck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel version. &nbsp;That's=
 a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the towing and paylo=
ad has gone up. &nbsp;Sounds good to me. &nbsp;I built a SuperCrew FX4 vers=
ion on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got the price up to $46K.=
 &nbsp;Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts and incentives. &nbsp;I=
t's sounding better every day.</div><div>I read an article recently that di=
scusses the improvements on 1/2 ton trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton le=
vels from just a few years ago.</div><div><br></div><div>Dave H.</div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><di=
v style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:=
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=3D"color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: <=
/b>"Jeff Snook" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>S=
ent: </b>Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:25:34 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] T=
owing (New F-150)<br><div><br></div>We've got a customer with a new aluminu=
m F150. &nbsp;He loves it. &nbsp;Says it tows a<br>7K lb. trailer and doesn=
't even know it's there! &nbsp;<br><div><br></div>Sweet truck, but stickere=
d for $60K!!!!!<br><div><br></div>Jeff Snook<br><a href=3D"http://www.snook=
sdreamcars.com" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"http://www.snooksdreamca=
rs.com">http://www.snooksdreamcars.com</a><br>419-344-0319 (Mobile)<br><div=
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From: davehogye <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:38:43 +0000 (UTC)

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I've always thought and agree about the new release, lab rat scenario. This is one reason I've waited on purchasing an F150. The drivetrain however, has been around for a few years. 

I also think having 4 wheel drive is worth it. The vehicle is always more valuable during resale, usually close to the initial cost difference and the occasional use is a huge benefit to me. 

----- Original Message -----

From: "John Styduhar" <[email-masked]> 
To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:24:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150) 

I would wait a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until the powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and diagnosed. Unless you want to be the lab rat. I've owned three F150s and the 2009 I currently own is the worst. 

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye < [email-masked] > wrote: 

Dave H. 

Jeff Snook 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">I've always thought and agree about th=
e new release, lab rat scenario. &nbsp;This is one reason I've waited on pu=
rchasing an F150. &nbsp;The drivetrain however, has been around for a few y=
ears.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label=3D"Co=
mpose body">I also think having 4 wheel drive is worth it. &nbsp;The vehicl=
e is always more valuable during resale, usually close to the initial cost =
difference and the occasional use is a huge benefit to me.</div><div aria-l=
abel=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=
=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;fo=
nt-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"col=
or: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; f=
ont-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Joh=
n Styduhar" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Triumph 'Friends of =
Triumph" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, July 26, 2015 6=
:24:29 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)<br><div><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: small;">I would wait a year or two on the new Fo=
rd F150 (or any new release) until the powertrain and body structure change=
s are fully tested and diagnosed.&nbsp; Unless you want to be the lab rat.&=
nbsp; I've owned three F150s and the 2009 I currently own is the worst.&nbs=
p;</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:dlhogye=
@comcast.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc =
solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:1=
2pt;color:#000000" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: #000000;"><div>The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less t=
han the last steel version.&nbsp; That's a lot of weight off during daily d=
riving routines and the towing and payload has gone up.&nbsp; Sounds good t=
o me.&nbsp; I built a SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof =
thank you, and got the price up to $46K.&nbsp; Now they are offering up to =
$8K in discounts and incentives.&nbsp; It's sounding better every day.</div=
><div>I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton=
 trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Dave H.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div><br></div><hr><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-st=
yle:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font=
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 normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 12pt;"><span class=3D""><b>From: </b>"Jeff Snook" &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:jeff=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
ox.team.net">[email-masked]</a><br></span><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, July 2=
5, 2015 12:25:34 PM<span class=3D""><span class=3D""><br><b>Subject: </b>Re=
: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)<br></span></span><div><br></div><span class=3D""=
><span class=3D"">We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150.&nbsp; He l=
oves it.&nbsp; Says it tows a<br>7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's =
there! &nbsp;<br></span></span><div><br></div><span class=3D""><span class=
=3D"">Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!<br></span></span><div><br></=
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From: Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:23:03 -0400

I borrowed Bob Kramer’s 28’  trailer to retrieve a race car and several thousand pounds of spares from Wisconsin about a year ago.  I pulled the trailer, loaded to around 7000 lbs, with my 2007 Toyota Tundra with a 5.7 liter gasoline engine.  The chassis, transmission and engine are fully up to it (it’s rated at 10,500 but I would rather not haul that heavy a tow load in a truck with an empty weight of 5700 lbs).  I probably averaged a highway speed to 60 mph or so (I drove from Texas to Wisconsin and back) and got 10.5 mpg; typical non-towing mileage on 87 octane (rm+mm/2) gasoline is around 17 mpg, no doubt allowed by the lack of extensive stop and go driving in the area around our rural home.

My new enclosed trailer (should arrive in the next two weeks) is a v-nose 18’ Aluma car hauler with an 8-1/2’ width.  Empty weight is 2760 lbs. (they make a 24’ enclose V-nose trailer with an empty weight of 3300 lbs).  Loaded up with the NSU or the Morgan 4/4 plus tools, etc. I will easily keep my maximum trailer weight under 5000 lbs so I can tow it with my Mercedes Sprinter van-based Itasca motorhome.  We’re now on the return leg of our first trip in the motorhome right now, in the mountains of North Carolina.  (We stopped at VIR this morning since we’d never seen the track — and a fine-looking track it is.  We had stopped to gawk at Watkins Glen last Saturday, moving on to the vintage GP at Schenley Park in Pittsburgh last Sunday. I hope to see the Barber museum and track in Alabama tomorrow.)

We haven’t towed with the motorhome yet but the 3.0 liter turbodiesel has plenty of torque.  There is a guy at our campground hauling a Smart Car with an identical rig so I’ll ask him how it pulls and what kind of fuel consumption he is getting.  Non-towing fuel mileage for the 3200 miles we’ve traveled so far is 14.7 mpg at 65 mph but I think it will improve as the terrain flattens out as we approach central Texas.  

A few years ago I bought a 5’-8" X 12’ Aluma all-aluminum flatbed trailer which weighs 560-580 lbs.  I hauled the Morgan and the NSU 1200TT sedan with it on separate occasions behind my 2008 BMW 328i wagon with no issues.

Duncan
(Texas)

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Take a word from one who has pulled beyond the weight of the towing =
vehicle and ended up with all tires skyward. While there is much to be =
desired in getting extra mileage by towing with a fuel efficient =
vehicle, don=E2=80=99t sacrifice proper weight and capacity of your =
vehicle to do it. Many of us have felt the fear of a pushing trailer =
that swerves out of control. The thought of =E2=80=9Cdo I speed up and =
drive through it or try to slow it down so I can change my =
pants=E2=80=9D runs through your mine while battling it down the road.=20

I now drive a Chevy Avalanche 2500 (496) and have towed everything from =
a 36 =E2=80=9C camper to a loaded 26=E2=80=9D car hauler carrying a =
Suburban. Most times I tend to forget anything is back there while =
driving. That is until I frequently stop for gas averaging 9 MPG when =
towing. When we came to Summit Point we borrowed an enclosed trailer =
rather than using the open car trailer we own since the paint was just =
days old. The height of the trailer did cause more wind resistance and =
resulted in lower gas mileage but was so nice to have and work out of. =
There is always a tradeoff.=20

The new Ford F150 aluminum bodied truck worries me about not having =
enough weight to control what it is towing.    =20

=20

Russell A. Pierce

Wealth Advisor/ Retirement Consultant

LPL Financial 314 Corder Road

Warner Robins, GA 31088

(478) 225-6750

(478) 225-6740 fax

Securities offered through LPL Financial

Member FINRA/SIPC

Notice Regarding entry of orders:=20

Do not place orders to buy or sell securities via email or voicemail.=20

This and all other time sensitive requests should be placed directly =
with your LPL Representative at (478)-225-6750.

=20

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of davehogye
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:39 PM
To: John Styduhar
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)

=20

I've always thought and agree about the new release, lab rat scenario.  =
This is one reason I've waited on purchasing an F150.  The drivetrain =
however, has been around for a few years.

=20

I also think having 4 wheel drive is worth it.  The vehicle is always =
more valuable during resale, usually close to the initial cost =
difference and the occasional use is a huge benefit to me.

=20

=20

  _____ =20

=20

I would wait a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) =
until the powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and =
diagnosed.  Unless you want to be the lab rat.  I've owned three F150s =
and the 2009 I currently own is the worst.=20

=20

The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel =
version.  That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and =
the towing and payload has gone up.  Sounds good to me.  I built a =
SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got =
the price up to $46K.  Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts and =
incentives.  It's sounding better every day.

I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton =
trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago.

=20

Dave H.

=20

=20

=20

=20

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=20

We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150.  He loves it.  Says it =
tows a
7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there! =20

=20

=20

Jeff Snook

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Take a word from one who has pulled beyond the weight of the towing =
vehicle and ended up with all tires skyward. While there is much to be =
desired in getting extra mileage by towing with a fuel efficient =
vehicle, don=E2=80=99t sacrifice proper weight and capacity of your =
vehicle to do it. Many of us have felt the fear of a pushing trailer =
that swerves out of control. The thought of =E2=80=9Cdo I speed up and =
drive through it or try to slow it down so I can change my =
pants=E2=80=9D runs through your mine while battling it down the road. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I now drive a Chevy Avalanche 2500 (496) and have towed everything =
from a 36 =E2=80=9C camper to a loaded 26=E2=80=9D car hauler carrying a =
Suburban. Most times I tend to forget anything is back there while =
driving. That is until I frequently stop for gas averaging 9 MPG when =
towing. When we came to Summit Point we borrowed an enclosed trailer =
rather than using the open car trailer we own since the paint was just =
days old. The height of the trailer did cause more wind resistance and =
resulted in lower gas mileage but was so nice to have and work out of. =
There is always a tradeoff. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The new Ford F150 aluminum bodied truck worries me about not having =
enough weight to control what it is towing. =
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><img width=3D179 height=3D99 id=3D"Picture_x0020_1" =
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]" =
alt=3D"cid:[email-masked]"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Russell A. Pierce<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Wealth Advisor/ Retirement Consultant<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>LPL Financial 314 Corder Road<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Warner Robins, GA 31088<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>(478) 225-6750<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>(478) 225-6740 fax<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Securities offered through LPL Financial<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Member FINRA/SIPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Notice Regarding entry of orders</span></b><span =
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D'>: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This and all other time sensitive requests should be placed directly =
with your LPL Representative at =
(478)-225-6750.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>davehogye<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:39 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> John Styduhar<br><b>Cc:</b> Friends of =
Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I've always =
thought and agree about the new release, lab rat scenario. &nbsp;This is =
one reason I've waited on purchasing an F150. &nbsp;The drivetrain =
however, has been around for a few =
years.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I also think =
having 4 wheel drive is worth it. &nbsp;The vehicle is always more =
valuable during resale, usually close to the initial cost difference and =
the occasional use is a huge benefit to =
me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=3D2 =
width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter id=3Dzwchr></span></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&quot;John =
Styduhar&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>To:=
 </b>&quot;Triumph 'Friends of Triumph&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:=
 </b>Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:24:29 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] =
Towing (New F-150)<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I would wait =
a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until the =
powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and =
diagnosed.&nbsp; Unless you want to be the lab rat.&nbsp; I've owned =
three F150s and the 2009 I currently own is the =
worst.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On Sat, Jul =
25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The new aluminum =
truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel version.&nbsp; =
That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the towing =
and payload has gone up.&nbsp; Sounds good to me.&nbsp; I built a =
SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got =
the price up to $46K.&nbsp; Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts =
and incentives.&nbsp; It's sounding better every =
day.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I read an article =
recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton trucks that bring =
them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years =
ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Dave =
H.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=3D2 =
width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&quot;Jeff =
Snook&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, July =
25, 2015 12:25:34 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>We've got a =
customer with a new aluminum F150.&nbsp; He loves it.&nbsp; Says it tows =
a<br>7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there! =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Sweet truck, =
but stickered for $60K!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Jeff =
Snook<br><a href=3D"http://www.snooksdreamcars.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.snooksdreamcars.com</a><br><a =
href=3D"tel:419-344-0319" target=3D"_blank">419-344-0319</a> =
(Mobile)<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
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Decision to tow is a privilege just like having a driver license.  =
Problem with all of this naturally, is that there are no regulations on =
this.  What i mean to say is that I don=E2=80=99t know of any =
endorsements on a non-commercial drivers license to say you had some =
education regarding towing.   I see a benefit in education.  I had to =
learn the hard way regarding towing as well. =20

Here is a simple question =E2=80=94   If the braking system in your =
trailer failed can the tow vehicle slow the combined weight safely?    =
Or on a long downhill grade can the brakes and engine prevent you from =
going too fast? And having enough brakes left over afterwards.

 I suspect that by reducing chassis weight ford may have the shifted =
GCWR  weight to their towing capacity increase (just a guess).   Are the =
Brakes any different?

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M Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
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Triple R Munitions, inc.
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> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:05 AM, Russell Pierce <[email-masked]> =
vehicle and ended up with all tires skyward. While there is much to be =
desired in getting extra mileage by towing with a fuel efficient =
vehicle, don=E2=80=99t sacrifice proper weight and capacity of your =
vehicle to do it. Many of us have felt the fear of a pushing trailer =
that swerves out of control. The thought of =E2=80=9Cdo I speed up and =
drive through it or try to slow it down so I can change my pants=E2=80=9D =
runs through your mine while battling it down the road.=20
> I now drive a Chevy Avalanche 2500 (496) and have towed everything =
> Do not place orders to buy or sell securities via email or voicemail.=20=

> =20
> From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked] =
> =20
> =20
> From: "John Styduhar" <[email-masked] =
> To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <[email-masked] =
> =20
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye <[email-masked] =
>=20
> The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last =
steel version.  That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines =
and the towing and payload has gone up.  Sounds good to me.  I built a =
SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got =
the price up to $46K.  Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts and =
incentives.  It's sounding better every day.
> =20
> Dave H.
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> From: "Jeff Snook" <[email-masked] =
tows a
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com <http://www.snooksdreamcars.com/>
> 419-344-0319 <tel:419-344-0319> (Mobile)
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Decision to tow is a privilege just like having a driver =
license. &nbsp;Problem with all of this naturally, is that there are no =
regulations on this. &nbsp;What i mean to say is that I don=E2=80=99t =
know of any endorsements on a non-commercial drivers license to say you =
had some education regarding towing. &nbsp; I see a benefit in =
education. &nbsp;I had to learn the hard way regarding towing as well. =
&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Here is a =
simple question =E2=80=94 &nbsp; If the braking system in your trailer =
failed can the tow vehicle slow the combined weight safely? &nbsp; =
&nbsp;Or on a long downhill grade can the brakes and engine prevent you =
from going too fast? And having enough brakes left over afterwards.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;I suspect that by =
reducing chassis weight ford may have the shifted GCWR &nbsp;weight to =
their towing capacity increase (just a guess). &nbsp; Are the Brakes any =
different?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">M Dunst<br class=3D"">Gasket Works USA, =
LLC<br class=3D"">&nbsp;c.626.358.1616<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;f.626.628.3777&nbsp;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Triple =
R Munitions, inc.<br class=3D"">FFL 6</div><div class=3D"">FFL 7/Sot =
02<br class=3D"">c.626.201.9471</div></div><br =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:05 AM, Russell Pierce &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
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Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Take a word from one who has pulled beyond =
the weight of the towing vehicle and ended up with all tires skyward. =
While there is much to be desired in getting extra mileage by towing =
with a fuel efficient vehicle, don=E2=80=99t sacrifice proper weight and =
capacity of your vehicle to do it. Many of us have felt the fear of a =
pushing trailer that swerves out of control. The thought of =E2=80=9Cdo =
I speed up and drive through it or try to slow it down so I can change =
my pants=E2=80=9D runs through your mine while battling it down the =
road.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">I now drive a Chevy Avalanche 2500 (496) =
and have towed everything from a 36 =E2=80=9C camper to a loaded 26=E2=80=9D=
 car hauler carrying a Suburban. Most times I tend to forget anything is =
back there while driving. That is until I frequently stop for gas =
averaging 9 MPG when towing. When we came to Summit Point we borrowed an =
enclosed trailer rather than using the open car trailer we own since the =
paint was just days old. The height of the trailer did cause more wind =
resistance and resulted in lower gas mileage but was so nice to have and =
work out of. There is always a tradeoff.<span =
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class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:39 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>John Styduhar<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friends of Triumph<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I've always thought =
and agree about the new release, lab rat scenario. &nbsp;This is one =
reason I've waited on purchasing an F150. &nbsp;The drivetrain however, =
has been around for a few years.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I also think having 4 wheel drive is worth it. &nbsp;The =
vehicle is always more valuable during resale, usually close to the =
initial cost difference and the occasional use is a huge benefit to =
me.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
align=3D"center" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><hr size=3D"2" =
width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" id=3D"zwchr" class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">"John Styduhar" =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"Triumph 'Friends of =
Triumph" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Sunday, July 26, 2015 =
6:24:29 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I would wait a =
year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until the =
powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and =
diagnosed.&nbsp; Unless you want to be the lab rat.&nbsp; I've owned =
three F150s and the 2009 I currently own is the worst.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The new aluminum =
truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel version.&nbsp; =
That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the towing =
and payload has gone up.&nbsp; Sounds good to me.&nbsp; I built a =
SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got =
the price up to $46K.&nbsp; Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts =
and incentives.&nbsp; It's sounding better every day.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on =
1/2 ton trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few =
years ago.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Dave H.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
align=3D"center" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><hr size=3D"2" =
width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">"Jeff Snook" =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">To:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Saturday, July 25, 2015 =
12:25:34 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150.&nbsp; He loves =
it.&nbsp; Says it tows a<br class=3D"">7K lb. trailer and doesn't even =
know it's there! &nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Jeff Snook<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.snooksdreamcars.com/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color:=
 purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://www.snooksdreamcars.com</a><br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"tel:419-344-0319" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">419-344-0319</a><span =
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From: Bill Babcock <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:12:12 -0700

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A big question indeed. My F350 has a tow/haul feature that modifies the =
transmission shifting triggers, and seems to do some other stuff as =
well. Great for managing speed going down a long hill. I do think it=E2=80=
=99s insane that american drivers don=E2=80=99t need more training =
before undertaking challenging driving situations, but then the morons =
running things let bluehairs drive giant motorhomes, and they let 16 =
year old kids drive with laughable levels of ability.=20

Back to the topic, I consider my F350 to be a minimum for the combined =
weight of my airstream and race car -  9450 pounds. If I max out =
everything in the airstream for a long trip it gets to over 11,000 =
pounds. Amazing how fast things add up when you fill tanks and toss in a =
few spares=E2=80=94like a transmission, etc.=20

The issue isn=E2=80=99t the capability of the engine, it=E2=80=99s the =
brakes, tires, and frame, as well as the relative weight of the towing =
vehicle versus trailer. Obviously you can carry more if the trailer is =
designed expressly for your towing vehicle, but how often does that =
happen? I=E2=80=99ve seen motorhomes with huge overhang towing heavy =
trailers=E2=80=94that=E2=80=99s an accident waiting to happen. The only =
thing that saves them is the massive weight of the motorhome, but when =
it goes bad, it goes very, very bad.=20

> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:47 AM, M Dunst <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>      =20
> M Dunst
> Gasket Works USA, LLC
>  c.626.358.1616
>  f.626.628.3777=20
>=20
> Triple R Munitions, inc.
> FFL 6
> FFL 7/Sot 02
> c.626.201.9471
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:05 AM, Russell Pierce <[email-masked] =
>>=20

>> I've always thought and agree about the new release, lab rat =
scenario.  This is one reason I've waited on purchasing an F150.  The =
drivetrain however, has been around for a few years.
tows a
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">A big question indeed. My F350 has a tow/haul feature that =
modifies the transmission shifting triggers, and seems to do some other =
stuff as well. Great for managing speed going down a long hill. I do =
think it=E2=80=99s insane that american drivers don=E2=80=99t need more =
training before undertaking challenging driving situations, but then the =
morons running things let bluehairs drive giant motorhomes, and they let =
16 year old kids drive with laughable levels of ability.&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Back to the topic, I =
consider my F350 to be a minimum for the combined weight of my airstream =
and race car - &nbsp;9450 pounds. If I max out everything in the =
airstream for a long trip it gets to over 11,000 pounds. Amazing how =
fast things add up when you fill tanks and toss in a few spares=E2=80=94li=
ke a transmission, etc.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The issue isn=E2=80=99t the capability =
of the engine, it=E2=80=99s the brakes, tires, and frame, as well as the =
relative weight of the towing vehicle versus trailer. Obviously you can =
carry more if the trailer is designed expressly for your towing vehicle, =
but how often does that happen? I=E2=80=99ve seen motorhomes with huge =
overhang towing heavy trailers=E2=80=94that=E2=80=99s an accident =
waiting to happen. The only thing that saves them is the massive weight =
of the motorhome, but when it goes bad, it goes very, very =
bad.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:47 AM, M Dunst &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Decision to =
tow is a privilege just like having a driver license. &nbsp;Problem with =
all of this naturally, is that there are no regulations on this. =
&nbsp;What i mean to say is that I don=E2=80=99t know of any =
endorsements on a non-commercial drivers license to say you had some =
education regarding towing. &nbsp; I see a benefit in education. &nbsp;I =
had to learn the hard way regarding towing as well. &nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Here is a simple =
question =E2=80=94 &nbsp; If the braking system in your trailer failed =
can the tow vehicle slow the combined weight safely? &nbsp; &nbsp;Or on =
a long downhill grade can the brakes and engine prevent you from going =
too fast? And having enough brakes left over afterwards.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;I suspect that by =
reducing chassis weight ford may have the shifted GCWR &nbsp;weight to =
their towing capacity increase (just a guess). &nbsp; Are the Brakes any =
different?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: =
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0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">M Dunst<br class=3D"">Gasket Works USA, =
LLC<br class=3D"">&nbsp;c.626.358.1616<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;f.626.628.3777&nbsp;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Triple =
R Munitions, inc.<br class=3D"">FFL 6</div><div class=3D"">FFL 7/Sot =
02<br class=3D"">c.626.201.9471</div></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:05 AM, Russell Pierce &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Take a word from one who has pulled beyond =
the weight of the towing vehicle and ended up with all tires skyward. =
While there is much to be desired in getting extra mileage by towing =
with a fuel efficient vehicle, don=E2=80=99t sacrifice proper weight and =
capacity of your vehicle to do it. Many of us have felt the fear of a =
pushing trailer that swerves out of control. The thought of =E2=80=9Cdo =
I speed up and drive through it or try to slow it down so I can change =
my pants=E2=80=9D runs through your mine while battling it down the =
road.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
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and have towed everything from a 36 =E2=80=9C camper to a loaded 26=E2=80=9D=
 car hauler carrying a Suburban. Most times I tend to forget anything is =
back there while driving. That is until I frequently stop for gas =
averaging 9 MPG when towing. When we came to Summit Point we borrowed an =
enclosed trailer rather than using the open car trailer we own since the =
paint was just days old. The height of the trailer did cause more wind =
resistance and resulted in lower gas mileage but was so nice to have and =
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1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>davehogye<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:39 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>John Styduhar<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friends of Triumph<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I've always thought =
and agree about the new release, lab rat scenario. &nbsp;This is one =
reason I've waited on purchasing an F150. &nbsp;The drivetrain however, =
has been around for a few years.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I also think having 4 wheel drive is worth it. &nbsp;The =
vehicle is always more valuable during resale, usually close to the =
initial cost difference and the occasional use is a huge benefit to =
me.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
align=3D"center" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><hr size=3D"2" =
width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" id=3D"zwchr" class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">"John Styduhar" =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"Triumph 'Friends of =
Triumph" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Sunday, July 26, 2015 =
6:24:29 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I would wait a =
year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until the =
powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and =
diagnosed.&nbsp; Unless you want to be the lab rat.&nbsp; I've owned =
three F150s and the 2009 I currently own is the worst.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The new aluminum =
truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel version.&nbsp; =
That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the towing =
and payload has gone up.&nbsp; Sounds good to me.&nbsp; I built a =
SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got =
the price up to $46K.&nbsp; Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts =
and incentives.&nbsp; It's sounding better every day.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on =
1/2 ton trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few =
years ago.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Dave H.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
align=3D"center" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><hr size=3D"2" =
width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">"Jeff Snook" =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">To:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Saturday, July 25, 2015 =
12:25:34 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: [Fot] Towing (New =
F-150)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150.&nbsp; He loves =
it.&nbsp; Says it tows a<br class=3D"">7K lb. trailer and doesn't even =
know it's there! &nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Jeff Snook<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.snooksdreamcars.com/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color:=
 purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://www.snooksdreamcars.com</a><br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"tel:419-344-0319" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">419-344-0319</a><span =
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From: Dean Vandecarr <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:25:03 -0400

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I have been towing with a 2011 f150 with the 3.5 eco boost engine. It is by f=
ar the best towing vehicle I have had. It has 77,000 miles with 17,000  mile=
s towing an enclosed trailer weighing about 5,000 lbs.  The only repairs hav=
e been a set of brakes, tires and I just had to replace the spark plugs.  Tu=
rbos are still working fine. I bought the truck for towing the fuel economy i=
s a bonus. The key to towing is torque. The Eco boost doesn't work harder th=
an a larger V8 because it has 420 ft/lbs at 2500 rpms. That's more torque th=
an the 5.7 hemi and the 5.0 ford. Most of the time towing I am  crusing arou=
nd 75-80 at 1500,  Pulling the trailer up from Georgia rt 81 with major hill=
s we were crusing around 75 and never exceeded 3,000 rpm.  With old Dakota w=
ith the V8 I had to take an alternate route because it couldn't take the hil=
ls. I am a little concerned about the new aluminum body and would wait to se=
e how that plays out. But the drive train in this truck is awesome.

Dean VanDeCarr

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> On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:43 AM, davehogye <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> The Ecoboost has to work harder than the V8 and the fuel savings is minima=
l.  I'll take a V8 over the turbo six.  The V8 gets better fuel mileage than=
 my Toyota Tacoma and can tow a house.  Nice thing about the Toyota is it ha=
s great resale value.  My '02 with 85K miles has a value close to $17K if no=
t more and people will be lining up for it. =20
> Cc: "Jeff Snook" <[email-masked]>, "Friends of Triumph" <fot@autox.=
team.net>
> Somebody has said elsewhere that turbo life is expected to be in the 80k r=
ange, and it will be an expensive maintenance item.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I have been towing with a 2011 f150 wi=
th the 3.5 eco boost engine. It is by far the best towing vehicle I have had=
. It has 77,000 miles with 17,000 &nbsp;miles towing an enclosed trailer wei=
ghing about 5,000 lbs. &nbsp;The only repairs have been a set of brakes, tir=
es and I just had to replace the spark plugs. &nbsp;Turbos are still working=
 fine. I bought the truck for towing the fuel economy is a bonus. The key to=
 towing is torque. The Eco boost doesn't work harder than a larger V8 becaus=
e it has 420 ft/lbs at 2500 rpms. That's more torque than the 5.7 hemi and t=
he 5.0 ford. Most of the time towing I am &nbsp;crusing around 75-80 at 1500=
, &nbsp;Pulling the trailer up from Georgia rt 81 with major hills we were c=
rusing around 75 and never exceeded 3,000 rpm. &nbsp;With old Dakota with th=
e V8 I had to take an alternate route because it couldn't take the hills. I a=
m a little concerned about the new aluminum body and would wait to see how t=
hat plays out. But the drive train in this truck is awesome.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Dean VanDeCarr<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jul 26, 2=
015, at 11:43 AM, davehogye &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dlhog=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><d=
iv style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div aria-l=
abel=3D"Compose body">The Ecoboost has to work harder than the V8 and the fu=
el savings is minimal. &nbsp;I'll take a V8 over the turbo six. &nbsp;The V8=
 gets better fuel mileage than my Toyota Tacoma and can tow a house. &nbsp;N=
ice thing about the Toyota is it has great resale value. &nbsp;My '02 with 8=
5K miles has a value close to $17K if not more and people will be lining up f=
or it. &nbsp;</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-labe=
l=3D"Compose body">Dave</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"c=
olor:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-fam=
ily:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #00=
0; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-fami=
ly: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Bob Kramer" &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<=
br><b>To: </b>"davehogye" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dlhogye=
@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"Jeff Snook" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeffsn=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, "Friends of Triumph" &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b=
>Sunday, July 26, 2015 8:21:07 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-=
150)<br><div><br></div><div>Somebody has said elsewhere that turbo life is e=
xpected to be in the 80k range, and it will be an expensive maintenance item=
.<br><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 25, 2015, at 4:=
36 PM, davehogye &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><div><br></div></div><blockquote><div><div style=3D"font-family: Ar=
ial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Arial; f=
ont-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><div>The new aluminum truck is said to weig=
h 700lbs. less than the last steel version. &nbsp;That's a lot of weight off=
 during daily driving routines and the towing and payload has gone up. &nbsp=
;Sounds good to me. &nbsp;I built a SuperCrew FX4 version on line, no leathe=
r or sunroof thank you, and got the price up to $46K. &nbsp;Now they are off=
ering up to $8K in discounts and incentives. &nbsp;It's sounding better ever=
y day.</div><div>I read an article recently that discusses the improvements o=
n 1/2 ton trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years a=
go.</div><div><br></div><div>Dave H.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-wei=
ght:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Aria=
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rmal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Aria=
l,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Jeff Snook" &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:jeffsno=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailt=
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am.net">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:25=
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ve got a customer with a new aluminum F150. &nbsp;He loves it. &nbsp;Says it=
 tows a<br>7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there! &nbsp;<br><div><=
br></div>Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!<br><div><br></div>Jeff Sno=
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