Subject: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)

From: marty <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:16:23 -0400

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I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs=2C w=
ith the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of=
 the F-250's.  Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings th=
roughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 would be substantial as=
 I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work and back. Is anybody =
on the list towing any weight with one of these new ones? How=92s is it wor=
king out for you?
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:37:20 +0000

I've wondered the same thing. I tow with a Sierra 2500HD and pull 10,000 lbs. I do 98% of my driving without a trailer swo the idea of a 1/2 ton max tow truck is appealing but I wonder about the brakes. I love the brakes on the 2500HD, both stopping power and longevity. I put 180,000 miles on the last truck with no brake job.

Bob Kramer
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---- marty <[email-masked]> wrote: 
> I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs, with the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of the F-250's.  Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 would be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work and back. Is anybody on the list towing any weight with one of these new ones? How’s is it working out for you?
>  
> Marty 		 	   		  

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From: "Jeff Snook" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:25:34 -0400

We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150.  He loves it.  Says it tows a
7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there!  

Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319 (Mobile)

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> Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!

I have no Dog in this fight (God knows I don't need a new truck), but seems 
like I saw an article in the newspaper this week suggesting FORD, the 
manufacturer, is having a big sale on those aluminum trucks right now.  Perhaps 
that $60K price tag has resulted in overproduction, and they need to move 
some trucks.  If I remember it correctly FORD is kicking in a big discount over 
and above what you negotiate with the dealer.

Bill Dentinger
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From: Larry Young <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:08:19 -0500

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I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel.  I'm a big believer 
in diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than gasoline and 
now it is cleaner too.  Most Americans don't realize that Europe is 40 
to 50 percent diesel, while they are almost nonexistent in the US, 
except for big pickups.  The small diesels (< 2.0L) just don't make it 
here, partly because the companies don't believe Americans would buy 
anything with less than 100hp. We used to think that was decent power. 
Currently, if  you have a small diesel it is most likely German. 
Hopefully, this will change in the next few years.
  - Larry

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Subject: 	Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
Date: 	Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:57:46 -0500
From: 	Larry Young <[email-masked]>
To: 	Marcel Van Mulders <[email-masked]>

Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost nonexistent 
over here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250 etc.).  There is no 
diesel option in smaller American vehicles that will tow a car.  I 
believe it is because our emission standards are much more stringent (on 
CO, unburned HC, NOx and soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that 
gap with a 3.0 L V-6 made by Fiat.  The only diesel options on vehicles 
that size are German SUVs which are some of the cleanest engines 
around.  I now tow my 18 foot enclosed trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a 
BMW X5 3.0L diesel.  Yes, it was about $60K as well.  It gets around 14 
mpg while towing, which is 40 to 50 percent better than my old 5.0L Ford 
Triton V8 and with all that torque and all the gears it tows better as 
well.  My wife has a newer BMW 5 series diesel sedan that gets over 35 
mpg on the highway.  The quietness and driveability of these new diesels 
is astonishing.
  - Larry

On 7/26/2015 10:04 AM, Marcel Van Mulders wrote:
> Strange how (towing) car habits are different in the USA and 
> Europe. You are wodering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be strong 
> enough, maybe it should  be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe, 
> most  towing cars have a 2 litre  4 cyl engine, or even as small as 
> a 1.4 litre.The biggest turbodiesel  Ford Europe is offering, has just 
> a 2 litre engine. Idem for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with the 
> exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of 1600cc 
> turbodiesels  towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre,  Mercedes  
> E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes 
> buyers can still get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel 
> is expensive in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the 
> fuel consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be able to drive full 
> size cars with full size engines. In Europe, the engines get smaller 
> and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 
> litre engine. In Europe a 1.6 litre is  called a big engine in a VW 
> Golf. Maybe in the USA 1.6 litre can do in a V-Twin bike, but only just?
> Marcel.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Van:* Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] *Namens *marty
> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16
> *Aan:* FOT
> *Onderwerp:* [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>
> I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the 
> specs, with the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the 
> tow capacity of the F-250's.Since I only heavy tow a few times a year 
> the gas savings throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 
> would be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going 
> to work and back. Is anybody on the list towing any weight with one of 
> these new ones? How’s is it working out for you?
>
> Marty
>
>
>
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    I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel.  I'm a big
    believer in diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than
    gasoline and now it is cleaner too.  Most Americans don't realize
    that Europe is 40 to 50 percent diesel, while they are almost
    nonexistent in the US, except for big pickups.  The small diesels
    (&lt; 2.0L) just don't make it here, partly because the companies
    don't believe Americans would buy anything with less than 100hp. We
    used to think that was decent power. Currently, if  you have a small
    diesel it is most likely German. Hopefully, this will change in the
    next few years.<br>
     - Larry<br>
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      Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost
      nonexistent over here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250
      etc.).  There is no diesel option in smaller American vehicles
      that will tow a car.  I believe it is because our emission
      standards are much more stringent (on CO, unburned HC, NOx and
      soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that gap with a 3.0 L V-6
      made by Fiat.  The only diesel options on vehicles that size are
      German SUVs which are some of the cleanest engines around.  I now
      tow my 18 foot enclosed trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a BMW X5
      3.0L diesel.  Yes, it was about $60K as well.  It gets around 14
      mpg while towing, which is 40 to 50 percent better than my old
      5.0L Ford Triton V8 and with all that torque and all the gears it
      tows better as well.  My wife has a newer BMW 5 series diesel
      sedan that gets over 35 mpg on the highway.  The quietness and
      driveability of these new diesels is astonishing.<br>
       - Larry<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/26/2015 10:04 AM, Marcel Van
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              (towing) car habits are different in the USA and
              Europe. You are wodering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will
              be strong enough, maybe it should  be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre.
              In Europe, most  towing cars have a 2 litre  4 cyl engine,
              or even as small as a 1.4 litre.The biggest
              turbodiesel  Ford Europe is offering, has just a 2 litre
              engine. Idem for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with the
              exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of
              1600cc turbodiesels  towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2
              litre,  Mercedes  E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1
              litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes buyers can still get a
              3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel is expensive
              in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the
              fuel consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be able to
              drive full size cars with full size engines. In Europe,
              the engines get smaller and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs
              are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In
              Europe a 1.6 litre is  called a big engine in a VW Golf.
              Maybe in the USA 1.6 litre can do in a V-Twin bike, but
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        <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>Van:</b>
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            <b>Namens </b>marty<br>
            <b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16<br>
            <b>Aan:</b> FOT<br>
            <b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] Towing (New F-150)<br>
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              bit. According to the specs, with the max-tow package they
              are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of the
              F-250's.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Since I
              only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings
              throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250
              would be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week
              just going to work and back. Is anybody on the list towing
              any weight with one of these new ones? How’s is it working
              out for you?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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From: Ken Suhre <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:06:48 +0000 (UTC)

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I have been=C2=A0silently watching this=C2=A0interesting discussion.=C2=A0I=
 too would encourage looking at diesel power. The fuel efficiency=C2=A0is s=
uperior to gasoline as well as the torque to climb=C2=A0grades.=20
My '93 Dodge Ram D 250 just required a new turbo at 388,000=C2=A0miles. It =
got a rebuilt injector pump and injectors at 280,000. Other than that nothi=
ng=C2=A0but careful maintenance. After the=C2=A0new turbo it was run on a r=
olling road dyno. It puts out 140 HP which is about 15 above stock. That do=
esn't sound like much but, the torque is 404=C2=A0lbs ft. Towing my goosene=
ck 24 ft trailer with a loaded weight of 7000 lbs, it regularly gives me 15=
 MPG.=C2=A0Of course it is nearly=C2=A0a classic to match my cars, I just w=
anted to point out the advantages of a diesel.
Ken Suhre
=C2=A0      From: Larry Young <[email-masked]>
 To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:08 AM
 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Towing (New F-150)
  =20
  I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel.=C2=A0 I'm a big believ=
er in diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than gasoline and =
now it is cleaner too.=C2=A0 Most Americans don't realize that Europe is 40=
 to 50 percent diesel, while they are almost nonexistent in the US, except =
for big pickups.=C2=A0 The small diesels (< 2.0L) just don't make it here, =
partly because the companies don't believe Americans would buy anything wit=
h less than 100hp. We used to think that was decent power. Currently, if=C2=
=A0 you have a small diesel it is most likely German. Hopefully, this will =
change in the next few years.
 =C2=A0- Larry
=20
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| Subject:  | Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150) |
| Date:  | Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:57:46 -0500 |
| From:  | Larry Young <[email-masked]> |
| To:  | Marcel Van Mulders <[email-masked]> |

=20
 Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost nonexistent over=
 here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250 etc.).=C2=A0 There is no di=
esel option in smaller American vehicles that will tow a car.=C2=A0 I belie=
ve it is because our emission standards are much more stringent (on CO, unb=
urned HC, NOx and soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that gap with a =
3.0 L V-6 made by Fiat.=C2=A0 The only diesel options on vehicles that size=
 are German SUVs which are some of the cleanest engines around.=C2=A0 I now=
 tow my 18 foot enclosed trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a BMW X5 3.0L diesel=
.=C2=A0 Yes, it was about $60K as well.=C2=A0 It gets around 14 mpg while t=
owing, which is 40 to 50 percent better than my old 5.0L Ford Triton V8 and=
 with all that torque and all the gears it tows better as well.=C2=A0 My wi=
fe has a newer BMW 5 series diesel sedan that gets over 35 mpg on the highw=
ay.=C2=A0 The quietness and driveability of these new diesels is astonishin=
g.
 =C2=A0- Larry
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 Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens marty
 Verzonden: vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16
 Aan: FOT
 Onderwerp: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
=20
   I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs, =
with the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity o=
f the F-250's.=C2=A0 Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savi=
ngs throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 would be substant=
ial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work and back. Is an=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14px"><div><span></span></d=
iv><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2711" dir=3D"ltr">I have been&nbsp=
;silently watching this&nbsp;interesting discussion.&nbsp;I too would encou=
rage looking at diesel power. The fuel efficiency&nbsp;is superior to gasol=
ine as well as the torque to climb&nbsp;grades. </div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1438015650680_2841" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143801=
5650680_2840" dir=3D"ltr">My '93 Dodge Ram D 250 just required a new turbo =
at 388,000&nbsp;miles. It got a rebuilt injector pump and injectors at 280,=
000. Other than that nothing&nbsp;but careful maintenance. After the&nbsp;n=
ew turbo it was run on a rolling road dyno. It puts out 140 HP which is abo=
ut 15 above stock. That doesn't sound like much but, the torque is 404&nbsp=
;lbs ft. Towing my gooseneck 24 ft trailer with a loaded weight of 7000 lbs=
, it regularly gives me 15 MPG.&nbsp;Of course it is nearly&nbsp;a classic =
to match my cars, I just wanted to point out the advantages of a diesel.</d=
iv><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2839" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2838" dir=3D"ltr">Ken Suhre<br>&nbsp; </div=
><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2695" style=3D"font-family: times ne=
w roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
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elvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2693" dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2856" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1438015650680_2873"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2872" styl=
e=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Larry Young &lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "FOT@autox.=
team.net" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bo=
ld;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 27, 2015 11:08 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"=
font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Fot] Fwd: Re:  Towing (New F-150)<=
br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143801=
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    I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel.&nbsp; I'm a big
    believer in diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than
    gasoline and now it is cleaner too.&nbsp; Most Americans don't realize
    that Europe is 40 to 50 percent diesel, while they are almost
    nonexistent in the US, except for big pickups.&nbsp; The small diesels
    (&lt; 2.0L) just don't make it here, partly because the companies
    don't believe Americans would buy anything with less than 100hp. We
    used to think that was decent power. Currently, if&nbsp; you have a sma=
ll
    diesel it is most likely German. Hopefully, this will change in the
    next few years.<br>
    &nbsp;- Larry<br>
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            <td>Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)</td>
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            <td>Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:57:46 -0500</td>
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            <th align=3D"RIGHT" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2883" nowr=
ap=3D'valign=3D"BASELINE"'>From: </th>
            <td>Larry Young <a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></td>
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            <th align=3D"RIGHT" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1438015650680_2888" nowr=
ap=3D'valign=3D"BASELINE"'>To: </th>
            <td>Marcel Van Mulders <a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-rf=
c2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;van.muld=
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      Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost
      nonexistent over here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250
      etc.).&nbsp; There is no diesel option in smaller American vehicles
      that will tow a car.&nbsp; I believe it is because our emission
      standards are much more stringent (on CO, unburned HC, NOx and
      soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that gap with a 3.0 L V-6
      made by Fiat.&nbsp; The only diesel options on vehicles that size are
      German SUVs which are some of the cleanest engines around.&nbsp; I no=
w
      tow my 18 foot enclosed trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a BMW X5
      3.0L diesel.&nbsp; Yes, it was about $60K as well.&nbsp; It gets arou=
nd 14
      mpg while towing, which is 40 to 50 percent better than my old
      5.0L Ford Triton V8 and with all that torque and all the gears it
      tows better as well.&nbsp; My wife has a newer BMW 5 series diesel
      sedan that gets over 35 mpg on the highway.&nbsp; The quietness and
      driveability of these new diesels is astonishing.<br>
      &nbsp;- Larry<br>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-cite-prefix">On 7/26/2015 10:04 AM, Ma=
rcel Van
        Mulders wrote:<br>
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        <div align=3D"left" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv0339006146384370914-26072015">Strange how
              (towing) car habits are different in the USA and
              Europe.&nbsp;You are&nbsp;wodering if a 5 litre turbo V8 dies=
el will
              be strong enough, maybe it should&nbsp; be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre=
.
              In Europe, most&nbsp;&nbsp;towing cars have a 2 litre&nbsp;&n=
bsp;4 cyl engine,
              or even as small as a&nbsp;1.4 litre.The biggest
              turbodiesel&nbsp;&nbsp;Ford Europe is offering, has just a 2 =
litre
              engine. Idem&nbsp;for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with th=
e
              exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of
              1600cc turbodiesels&nbsp; towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a =
2
              litre,&nbsp; Mercedes&nbsp; E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2=
.1
              litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes buyers can still&nbsp;get =
a
              3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel is expensive
              in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the
              fuel consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be able to
              drive full size cars with full size engines. In Europe,
              the engines get smaller and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs
              are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In
              Europe&nbsp;a 1.6 litre is&nbsp; called&nbsp;a big engine in =
a VW Golf.
              Maybe&nbsp;in the USA 1.6 litre&nbsp;can do in a&nbsp;V-Twin =
bike, but
              only just?</span></font></div>
        <div align=3D"left" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv0339006146384370914-26072015">Marcel.</spa=
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        <div align=3D"left" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Ari=
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>Van:</b>
            Fot [<a class=3D"yiv0339006146moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
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            <b>Namens </b>marty<br>
            <b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16<br>
            <b>Aan:</b> FOT<br>
            <b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] Towing (New F-150)<br>
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          <div class=3D"yiv0339006146MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10=
pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">I have been checking out the new F-150's a
              bit. According to the specs, with the max-tow package they
              are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of the
              F-250's.<span>&nbsp; </span>Since I
              only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings
              throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250
              would be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week
              just going to work and back. Is anybody on the list towing
              any weight with one of these new ones? How=E2=80=99s is it wo=
rking
              out for you?</font></div>=20
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Amici...

The last decade or so that I raced, I towed my twenty foot Pace America box 
trailer, using a one ton Chevrolet cargo van, which has a 6.5 diesel 
engine.  I loved using the big cargo van, because it offered lots, and lots of 
storage options.  I never used it for sleeping, but you sure could do so.  A 
short suit was that diesel engine was the one Chevy converted from a gasoline 
engine (NOT Chevy's finest hour).

But I bring it up because Russell mentioned the difference he experienced 
when towing a box trailer.  One thing we did was buy an air deflector that 
sat up on the roof of the van, and deflected air over the box trailer.  That 
made a measurable difference in gas mileage (10% +/-).  That was not an 
expensive after market item, and might be worth looking into for those using a 
suburban or a van type vehicle to tow box trailers down the road.

Bill Dentinger
  
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The last decade or so that I raced, I towed my twenty foot Pace America bo=
x trailer, using a one ton Chevrolet cargo van, which has a 6.5 diesel eng=
ine.&nbsp; I loved using the big cargo van, because it offered lots, and=
 lots of storage options.&nbsp; I never used it for sleeping, but you sure=
 could do so.&nbsp; A short suit was that diesel engine was the one Chevy=
 converted from a gasoline engine (NOT Chevy's finest hour).<BR>
<BR>
But I bring it up because Russell mentioned the difference he experienced=
 when towing a box trailer.&nbsp; One thing we did was buy an air deflecto=
r that sat up on the roof of the van, and deflected air over the box trail=
er.&nbsp; That made a measurable difference in gas mileage (10% +/-).&nbsp=
; That was not an expensive after market item, and might be worth looking=
 into for those using a suburban or a van type vehicle to tow box trailers=
 down the road.<BR>
<BR>
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