Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure

From: "Bill Tobin" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:10:06 -0400

Great track, isn't it ? Lots of fun.
You didn't miss much as the final race went from slightly damp to wet.
Great weekend though; VRG puts on a good show.
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From: "Scott Janzen" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:01 AM
Subject: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure

> Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. 
> Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
> Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something 
> stronger?  What are other vintage racers doing?
>
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From: Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:12:58 -0500

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I agree that it is consumable.
A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the
parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other
related projects.
Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least.
Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve
recommends.
I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the
car.

Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT...

That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind
yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.
Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant
focus to smooth transition between the gears.
And really important is super smooth take-offs.
I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track with
me most of the time.
He is never afraid to remind me of this.
And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid.
Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me
through my helmet prior to taking off.
something like....
 "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!"
or "Easy take off".
Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense
moment taking off to hit the track.
One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the
differential.
I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift
transitions or abrupt starts...
We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but,
speaking for myself, I know it often is.
This was an FoT Public Service Announcement...
Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I agree that it is consumable. </div><div>A change to=
 something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that=
 mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related proje=
cts. </div><div>Likely a costly and complex endeavor=C2=A0to say the least.=
</div><div>Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Ste=
ve recommends.</div><div>I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to =
be doing great with the car.</div><div><br></div><div>Begin Public Service =
announcement to all FoT...</div><div><br></div><div>That being said, (espec=
ially the faster you go) don&#39;t forget to remind yourself regularly abou=
t how you need to treat the drivetrain.</div><div>Perhaps most importantly =
on this issue=C2=A0is careful driving=C2=A0with a constant focus to=C2=A0sm=
ooth transition between the gears.</div><div>And really important is super =
smooth take-offs.</div><div>I&#39;m lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer=
 of all time) at the track with me most of the time.</div><div>He=C2=A0is n=
ever afraid to remind me of this.</div><div>And does so=C2=A0on a regular b=
asis when I&#39;m leaving the grid.</div><div>Even after all these years of=
 coaching he will still often=C2=A0yell at me through my helmet prior to ta=
king off.</div><div>something like....</div><div>=C2=A0&quot;Ride that F$#&=
amp;%ng clutch baby!!&quot;</div><div>or &quot;Easy take off&quot;. </div><=
div>Wisdom I&#39;m not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense =
moment=C2=A0taking off to hit the track.</div><div>One slip of the foot or =
abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the differential.</div><div>I =
can trace most of my differential failures back to=C2=A0sketchy shift trans=
itions or abrupt starts...</div><div>We all hate to admit that an equipment=
 failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often is.</di=
v><div>This was an FoT=C2=A0Public Service Announcement...</div><div>Brough=
t to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason Ostrowski=
</div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing=C2=A0</div><div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Mine=
 disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. Last o=
ne did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.<br>
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronge=
r?=C2=A0 What are other vintage racers doing?<br>
<br>
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From: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:19:32 -0400

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thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a =
steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second =
gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I =
approached the sharp right to the uphill climb.  I'm sure that did not =
do the diff any good.

Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very =
"vintage".

Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a =
difference?  I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.

I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

I agree that it is consumable.
A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all =
the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of =
other related projects.
Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least.
Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve =
recommends.
I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with =
the car.

That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind =
yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.
Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a =
constant focus to smooth transition between the gears.
And really important is super smooth take-offs.
I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track =
with me most of the time.
He is never afraid to remind me of this.
And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid.
Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me =
through my helmet prior to taking off.
something like....
 "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!"
or "Easy take off".
Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense =
moment taking off to hit the track.
One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the =
differential.
I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift =
transitions or abrupt starts...
We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, =
speaking for myself, I know it often is.
This was an FoT Public Service Announcement...
Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing=20
1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars  =20
=20

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:
Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. =
Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something =
stronger?  What are other vintage racers doing?

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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
">thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now =
a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in =
second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me =
down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill climb. &nbsp;I'm sure =
that did not do the diff any good.<div><br></div><div>Somehow the idea =
of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very =
"vintage".<br><div><br></div><div>Question - has anyone checked the oil =
temp, and would cooling make a difference? &nbsp;I do run Redline 75-85 =
gear oil.</div><div><br></div><div>I will report back and send carnage =
photos when I get it out.</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 13, 2015, at =
10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I agree that =
it is consumable. </div><div>A change to something different would seem =
to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could =
turn into a whole new set of other related projects. </div><div>Likely a =
costly and complex endeavor&nbsp;to say the least.</div><div>Knowing =
you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve =
recommends.</div><div>I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to =
be doing great with the car.</div><div><br></div><div>Begin Public =
Service announcement to all FoT...</div><div><br></div><div>That being =
said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself =
regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.</div><div>Perhaps =
most importantly on this issue&nbsp;is careful driving&nbsp;with a =
constant focus to&nbsp;smooth transition between the =
gears.</div><div>And really important is super smooth =
take-offs.</div><div>I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all =
time) at the track with me most of the time.</div><div>He&nbsp;is never =
afraid to remind me of this.</div><div>And does so&nbsp;on a regular =
basis when I'm leaving the grid.</div><div>Even after all these years of =
coaching he will still often&nbsp;yell at me through my helmet prior to =
taking off.</div><div>something like....</div><div>&nbsp;"Ride that =
F$#&amp;%ng clutch baby!!"</div><div>or "Easy take off". =
</div><div>Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a =
tense moment&nbsp;taking off to hit the track.</div><div>One slip of the =
foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the =
differential.</div><div>I can trace most of my differential failures =
back to&nbsp;sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts...</div><div>We =
all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, =
speaking for myself, I know it often is.</div><div>This was an =
FoT&nbsp;Public Service Announcement...</div><div>Brought to you by =
Friendly Ghost Racing.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason =
Ostrowski</div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing&nbsp;</div><div>1969 Triumph =
GT6+ Racecars&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 12, =
2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race =
yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years =
ago.<br>
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something =
stronger?&nbsp; What are other vintage racers doing?<br>
<br>
Sent from my mobile device<br>
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From: Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:17:11 -0500

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Ah yes...Cooling.
While you have it out maybe it's worth while to see about adding a temp
gauge back there.
I think its usually done at the oil plug but I'm not sure.
That would seem to perhaps help in preventing a minor fail turn into a
major explosion.

I much enjoyed the thread about the Diff cooling options for the endurance
TR6's a while back.
I think it was Keith Files and some others discussing some of the options
for Chump car guys.
The unit was mounted in the modified wheel well if I remember correctly.
The tough part for our tiny GT6 seems to be where to put the cooler and
plumbing.
Has Anyone out there ever used an external diff cooler on a GT6?
If so, how was it set up?
Thanks!

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a
> steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second
> gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I
> approached the sharp right to the uphill climb.  I'm sure that did not do
> the diff any good.
>
> Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very
> "vintage".
>
> Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a
> A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all
> the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other
> related projects.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Ah yes...Cooling.</div><div>While you have it out may=
be it&#39;s worth while to see about adding a temp gauge back there.</div><=
div>I think its usually done at the oil plug but I&#39;m not sure.</div><di=
v>That would seem to perhaps help=C2=A0in=C2=A0preventing a minor fail turn=
 into a major explosion.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I much enjoyed the =
thread about the Diff cooling options for the endurance TR6&#39;s a while b=
ack.</div><div>I think it was Keith Files and some others discussing some o=
f the options for Chump car guys. </div><div>The unit was mounted=C2=A0in t=
he modified wheel well if I remember correctly.</div><div>The tough part fo=
r our tiny GT6 seems to be where to put the cooler and plumbing.</div><div>=
Has Anyone out there ever used an external diff cooler on a GT6?</div><div>=
If so, how was it set up?</div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Jason =
Ostrowski</div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing</div><div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racec=
ars</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Scott Janzen <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sj=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div s=
tyle=3D"-ms-word-wrap: break-word;">thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging thro=
ugh the gears, and there&#39;s now a steep 150&#39; +/- DROP at this track,=
 downhill turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating=
, then letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphil=
l climb.=C2=A0 I&#39;m sure that did not do the diff any good.<div><br></di=
v><div>Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel =
very &quot;vintage&quot;.<br><div><br></div><div>Question - has anyone chec=
ked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference?=C2=A0 I do run Redli=
ne 75-85 gear oil.</div><div><br></div><div>I will report back and send car=
nage photos when I get it out.</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br><div><d=
iv>On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:</div><br><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>I agree that it is consumable. </div><div>A change to somethi=
ng different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to=
 it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related projects. </d=
iv><div>Likely a costly and complex endeavor=C2=A0to say the least.</div><d=
iv>Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recom=
mends.</div><div>I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing=
 great with the car.</div><div><br></div><div>Begin Public Service announce=
ment to all FoT...</div><div><br></div><div>That being said, (especially th=
e faster you go) don&#39;t forget to remind yourself regularly about how yo=
u need to treat the drivetrain.</div><div>Perhaps most importantly on this =
issue=C2=A0is careful driving=C2=A0with a constant focus to=C2=A0smooth tra=
nsition between the gears.</div><div>And really important is super smooth t=
ake-offs.</div><div>I&#39;m lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all =
time) at the track with me most of the time.</div><div>He=C2=A0is never afr=
aid to remind me of this.</div><div>And does so=C2=A0on a regular basis whe=
n I&#39;m leaving the grid.</div><div>Even after all these years of coachin=
g he will still often=C2=A0yell at me through my helmet prior to taking off=
.</div><div>something like....</div><div>=C2=A0&quot;Ride that F$#&amp;%ng =
clutch baby!!&quot;</div><div>or &quot;Easy take off&quot;. </div><div>Wisd=
om I&#39;m not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment=
=C2=A0taking off to hit the track.</div><div>One slip of the foot or abrupt=
 start is all it takes to do damage to the differential.</div><div>I can tr=
ace most of my differential failures back to=C2=A0sketchy shift transitions=
 or abrupt starts...</div><div>We all hate to admit that an equipment failu=
re is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often is.</div><div=
>This was an FoT=C2=A0Public Service Announcement...</div><div>Brought to y=
ou by Friendly Ghost Racing.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason Ostrowski</div>=
<div>Friendly Ghost Racing=C2=A0</div><div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sjanze=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204=
,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Mine disintegrated in =
a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same th=
ing about 3-4 years ago.<br>
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronge=
r?=C2=A0 What are other vintage racers doing?<br>
<br>
Sent from my mobile device<br>
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From: "Robert M. Lang" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:10:52 -0400 (EDT)

re: diff cooling... you want to do that if you can. Diffs run VERY HOT.

Give the man a cigar!

regards,
rml
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From: "Peter Vucinic" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 04:32:27 +1000

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Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.

I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway
speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F. 

With the diff 'tucked up' and limited air flow. You are starting with a
problem before you start!

"You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With
A Lage Fortune!"

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII

[email-masked]

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM
To: Jason Ostrowski
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure

thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a
steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear
at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I
approached the sharp right to the uphill climb.  I'm sure that did not do
the diff any good.

something like....

or "Easy take off". 

Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment
taking off to hit the track.

Jason Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost Racing 

 

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at =
highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>With the diff &#8216;tucked up&#8217; and limited air flow. You are =
starting with a problem before you start!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A=
0'>&quot;You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You =
Started With A Lage Fortune!&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Peter Vucinic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Donate: <a =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott =
Janzen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Jason Ostrowski<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential =
failure<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through =
the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill =
turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then =
letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill =
climb. &nbsp;I'm sure that did not do the diff any =
good.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Somehow the idea of =
putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very =
&quot;vintage&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Question - has anyone =
checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? &nbsp;I do =
run Redline 75-85 gear oil.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I will report back and =
send carnage photos when I get it out.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 =
AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I agree that it is =
consumable. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>A change to something different would seem =
to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could =
turn into a whole new set of other related projects. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Likely a costly and complex =
endeavor&nbsp;to say the least.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Knowing you, I assume you =
are using a quality oil already as Steve =
recommends.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I notice you are racing faster lately and =
seem to be doing great with the car.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Begin Public Service =
announcement to all FoT...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>That being said, =
(especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly =
about how you need to treat the drivetrain.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Perhaps most importantly =
on this issue&nbsp;is careful driving&nbsp;with a constant focus =
to&nbsp;smooth transition between the gears.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>And really important is =
super smooth take-offs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer =
of all time) at the track with me most of the =
time.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>He&nbsp;is never afraid to remind me of =
this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>And does so&nbsp;on a regular basis when =
I'm leaving the grid.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Even after all these years of coaching he =
will still often&nbsp;yell at me through my helmet prior to taking =
off.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>something =
like....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;&quot;Ride that F$#&amp;%ng clutch =
baby!!&quot;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>or &quot;Easy take off&quot;. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be =
reminded of in a tense moment&nbsp;taking off to hit the =
track.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all =
it takes to do damage to the differential.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I can trace most of my =
differential failures back to&nbsp;sketchy shift transitions or abrupt =
starts...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>We all hate to admit that an equipment =
failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often =
is.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>This was an FoT&nbsp;Public Service =
Announcement...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Brought to you by Friendly Ghost =
Racing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Jason =
Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Friendly Ghost =
Racing&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>1969 Triumph GT6+ =
Racecars&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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class=3DMsoNormal =
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class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at =
7:01 AM, Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
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gin-left:36.0pt'>Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race =
yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years =
ago.<br>Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to =
something stronger?&nbsp; What are other vintage racers =
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so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, if the failure =
experienced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth breaking off =
under load, would lower temps help? =20
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I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at =
highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F.
With the diff =91tucked up=92 and limited air flow. You are starting =
with a problem before you start!
"You can Make a Small Fortune =46rom Motor Racing. As long as You =
Started With A Lage Fortune!"

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<html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://3562/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: =
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after-white-space; ">so, while I respect the need proper operating =
temps, if the failure experienced is not bearing failure, but simply =
gear teeth breaking off under load, would lower temps help? &nbsp;<div>I =
run Redline synthetic.&nbsp;</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 13, 2015, at =
2:32 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Get =
the oil temp down and use full synthetic.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I did much testing on my road =
going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway speed cruising, the oil temp =
is 180-200F.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">With =
the diff =91tucked up=92 and limited air flow. You are starting with a =
problem before you start!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
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margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
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"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(112, 48, 160); ">"You can Make a Small Fortune =46rom Motor Racing. =
As long as You Started With A Lage =
Fortune!"<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Kind =
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Vucinic<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
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[mailto:[email-masked]]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Scott =
Janzen<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 =
AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Jason =
Ostrowski<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential =
failure<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: =
0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">thanks, Jason - yes, I was =
banging through the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this =
track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first =
accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp =
right to the uphill climb. &nbsp;I'm sure that did not do the diff any =
good.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: =
0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Somehow the =
idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very =
"vintage".<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Question - has =
anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? =
&nbsp;I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">I will report back and send carnage photos when I get =
it out.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Jul 13, =
2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">I agree that it is =
consumable.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">A change to =
something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts =
that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other =
related projects.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Likely a =
costly and complex endeavor&nbsp;to say the =
least.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Knowing you, I =
assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve =
recommends.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I notice you =
are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the =
car.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Begin Public =
Service announcement to all FoT...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't =
forget to remind yourself regularly about how you need to treat the =
drivetrain.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Perhaps most =
importantly on this issue&nbsp;is careful driving&nbsp;with a constant =
focus to&nbsp;smooth transition between the =
gears.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">And really =
important is super smooth take-offs.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all =
time) at the track with me most of the =
time.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">He&nbsp;is =
never afraid to remind me of this.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">And does so&nbsp;on a regular basis when I'm leaving =
the grid.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Even after all =
these years of coaching he will still often&nbsp;yell at me through my =
helmet prior to taking off.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">something like....<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">&nbsp;"Ride that F$#&amp;%ng clutch =
baby!!"<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">or "Easy take =
off".<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Wisdom I'm not =
afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment&nbsp;taking =
off to hit the track.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">One slip of =
the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the =
differential.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I can trace =
most of my differential failures back to&nbsp;sketchy shift transitions =
or abrupt starts...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">We all hate to =
admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaking for =
myself, I know it often is.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">This was an FoT&nbsp;Public Service =
Announcement...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Brought to you =
by Friendly Ghost Racing.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">Jason Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">Friendly Ghost =
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margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">1969 Triumph =
GT6+ Racecars&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
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margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
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0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
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Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.<br>Should I =
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From: Peter Vucinic <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 04:57:03 +1000

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Great question!
I'll answer this for you when I get back tonight.=20
I'm traveling to mine site to replace a 1000HP 2 shaft gearbox that has suff=
ered low oil level foaming. Your timing is perfect!

Regards
Peter Vucinic
CBA Rotative Engineers
Sent from Mobile Phone

> On 14 Jul 2015, at 04:44, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, if the failure experi=
enced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth breaking off under load,=
 would lower temps help? =20
> I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway s=
peed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F.
> With the diff =E2=80=98tucked up=E2=80=99 and limited air flow. You are st=
arting with a problem before you start!
> =20
> =20
> "You can Make a Small Fortune =46rom Motor Racing. As long as You Started W=
ith A Lage Fortune!"
> thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a st=
eep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear a=
t 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approache=
d the sharp right to the uphill climb.  I'm sure that did not do the diff an=
y good.
> =20
> Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "=
vintage".
> =20
> Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a diffe=
rence?  I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.
> A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all th=
e parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other re=
lated projects.
> Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recomme=
nds.
> I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the c=
ar.
> That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind you=
rself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.
> Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant f=
ocus to smooth transition between the gears.
> I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track with=
 me most of the time.
> Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me thro=
ugh my helmet prior to taking off.
> Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment t=
aking off to hit the track.
> One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the d=
ifferential.
> I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift transit=
ions or abrupt starts...
> We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speak=
ing for myself, I know it often is.
> Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. L=
ast one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
> Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something strong=
er?  What are other vintage racers doing?
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multiv=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Great question!</div><div>I'll answer t=
his for you when I get back tonight.&nbsp;</div><div>I'm traveling to mine s=
ite to replace a 1000HP 2 shaft gearbox that has suffered low oil level foam=
ing. Your timing is perfect!<br><br>Regards<div>Peter Vucinic</div><div>CBA R=
otative Engineers</div><div>Sent from Mobile Phone</div></div><div><br>On 14=
 Jul 2015, at 04:44, Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sjan=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><base h=
ref=3D"x-msg://3562/">so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, i=
f the failure experienced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth brea=
king off under load, would lower temps help? &nbsp;<div>I run Redline synthe=
tic.&nbsp;</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Peter Vucini=
c wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><span class=3D"Apple-s=
tyle-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Verdana; font-st=
yle: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: norm=
al; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0=
px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;=
 -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0p=
x; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;=
 -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang=3D"EN-US" li=
nk=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: Word=
Section1; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0=
cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'=
, serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;=
 color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.<o:=
p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margi=
n-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times N=
ew Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sa=
ns-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I did much testing on my road going TR4=
 diff. Even a road car, at highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F.=
<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; ma=
rgin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Time=
s New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,=
 sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">With the diff =E2=80=98tucked up=E2=80=
=99 and limited air flow. You are starting with a problem before you start!<=
o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; mar=
gin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times=
 New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, s=
ans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div sty=
le=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0=
.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-r=
ight: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-=
family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-=
family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(112, 48, 160); ">"You can Make a Sma=
ll Fortune =46rom Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!"=
<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm=
; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: '=
Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cali=
bri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></=
div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; marg=
in-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;=
 "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: r=
gb(31, 73, 125); ">Peter Vucinic<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin=
-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; fon=
t-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-s=
ize: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">TR4 -=
 TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm=
; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 1=
2pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt=
; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">_____________=
__________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"marg=
in-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;=
 ">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0=
cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:=
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pan></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm=
; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', s=
erif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(=
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n></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; m=
argin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', ser=
if; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31=
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amily: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-fa=
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n-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "=
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span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0c=
m; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',=
 serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; c=
olor: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div><div style=3D"b=
order-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none;=
 border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; bord=
er-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; p=
adding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style=3D"m=
argin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001p=
t; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D=
"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class=3D"A=
pple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.=
team.net">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span class=3D"Apple-convert=
ed-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=
&nbsp;</span></b>Scott Janzen<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-=
space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D=
"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Jason Ostrowski<br><b>Cc:</b><span clas=
s=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'Friends of Triumph' Triumph<br><b>=
Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Gt6=
 differential failure<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margi=
n-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; mar=
gin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; ">thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a s=
teep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear a=
t 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approache=
d the sharp right to the uphill climb. &nbsp;I'm sure that did not do the di=
ff any good.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-righ=
t: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div sty=
le=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0=
.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Somehow t=
he idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "vintage".<o=
:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin=
-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times N=
ew Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-t=
op: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font=
-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Question - has anyone c=
hecked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? &nbsp;I do run Red=
line 75-85 gear oil.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0c=
m; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div=
><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; m=
argin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', ser=
if; ">I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out.<o:p></o:=
p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-=
left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times Ne=
w Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top=
: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-s=
ize: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:1=
2 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-si=
ze: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><d=
iv><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt;=
 margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', s=
erif; ">I agree that it is consumable.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=
=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.=
0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">A change t=
o something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that=
 mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related projec=
ts.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0=
cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family=
: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Likely a costly and complex endeavor&nbsp;to s=
ay the least.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; marg=
in-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; f=
ont-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Knowing you, I assume you are using a=
 quality oil already as Steve recommends.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div st=
yle=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom:=
 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I notic=
e you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the car.<o:p>=
</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; mar=
gin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Time=
s New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margi=
n-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Begin Public Servic=
e announcement to all FoT...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin=
-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; fo=
nt-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></d=
iv></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left:=
 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Rom=
an', serif; ">That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget t=
o remind yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.<o:p>=
</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; mar=
gin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Time=
s New Roman', serif; ">Perhaps most importantly on this issue&nbsp;is carefu=
l driving&nbsp;with a constant focus to&nbsp;smooth transition between the g=
ears.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right=
: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">And really important is super smooth take-o=
ffs.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right:=
 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer o=
f all time) at the track with me most of the time.<o:p></o:p></div></div><di=
v><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margi=
n-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "=
>He&nbsp;is never afraid to remind me of this.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><d=
iv style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bo=
ttom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">An=
d does so&nbsp;on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid.<o:p></o:p></div=
></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 3=
6pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman=
', serif; ">Even after all these years of coaching he will still often&nbsp;=
yell at me through my helmet prior to taking off.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div=
><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin=
-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "=
>something like....<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm=
; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 1=
2pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">&nbsp;"Ride that F$#&amp;%ng c=
lutch baby!!"<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; marg=
in-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; f=
ont-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">or "Easy take off".<o:p></o:p></div>=
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36=
pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'=
, serif; ">Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tens=
e moment&nbsp;taking off to hit the track.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div s=
tyle=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom=
: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">One sl=
ip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the different=
ial.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right:=
 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I can trace most of my differential failures=
 back to&nbsp;sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts...<o:p></o:p></div>=
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36=
pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'=
, serif; ">We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault b=
ut, speaking for myself, I know it often is.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div=
 style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bott=
om: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This=
 was an FoT&nbsp;Public Service Announcement...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><=
div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">B=
rought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div styl=
e=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0=
.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; m=
argin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Ti=
mes New Roman', serif; ">Jason Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div sty=
le=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0=
.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Friendly G=
host Racing&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; m=
argin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12p=
t; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margi=
n-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; f=
ont-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><=
div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; mar=
gin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right:=
 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janze=
n &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: bl=
ue; text-decoration: underline; ">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; marg=
in-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New=
 Roman', serif; ">Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday=
 at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.<br>Should I j=
ust consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronger?&nbsp; Wh=
at are other vintage racers doing?<br><br>Sent from my mobile device<br>____=
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From: Keith Files <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:15:48 +0100

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Hi Jason,

It was me discussing diff coolers.

I have the photographs of my installation now and will be sending them to th=
e guys who wanted to see them. I will copy you too if you wish.

Best regards,

Keith

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Jul 2015, at 16:17, Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Ah yes...Cooling.
> While you have it out maybe it's worth while to see about adding a temp ga=
uge back there.
> That would seem to perhaps help in preventing a minor fail turn into a maj=
or explosion.=20
>=20
> I much enjoyed the thread about the Diff cooling options for the endurance=
 TR6's a while back.
> I think it was Keith Files and some others discussing some of the options f=
or Chump car guys.
> The tough part for our tiny GT6 seems to be where to put the cooler and pl=
umbing.
>> thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a s=
vintage".
>>=20
>> Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a diff=
erence?  I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.
>> A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all t=
he parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other r=
elated projects.
>> Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recomm=
ends.
>> I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the=
 car.
>> That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yo=
urself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.
>> Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant=
>> I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track wit=
h me most of the time.
>> Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me thr=
ough my helmet prior to taking off.
>> Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment=
ifferential.
>> I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift transi=
tions or abrupt starts...
>> We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, spea=
king for myself, I know it often is.
>>> Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race.=
>>> Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stro=
nger?  What are other vintage racers doing?
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@mult=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Hi Jason,</div><div><br></div><div>It w=
as me discussing diff coolers.</div><div><br></div><div>I have the photograp=
hs of my installation now and will be sending them to the guys who wanted to=
 see them. I will copy you too if you wish.</div><div><br></div><div>Best re=
gards,</div><div><br></div><div>Keith</div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><=
div><br>On 13 Jul 2015, at 16:17, Jason Ostrowski &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaso=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Ah yes...Cooling.</div><div>=
While you have it out maybe it's worth while to see about adding a temp gaug=
e back there.</div><div>I think its usually done at the oil plug but I'm not=
 sure.</div><div>That would seem to perhaps help&nbsp;in&nbsp;preventing a m=
inor fail turn into a major explosion.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I much=
 enjoyed the thread about the Diff cooling options for the endurance TR6's a=
 while back.</div><div>I think it was Keith Files and some others discussing=
 some of the options for Chump car guys. </div><div>The unit was mounted&nbs=
p;in the modified wheel well if I remember correctly.</div><div>The tough pa=
rt for our tiny GT6 seems to be where to put the cooler and plumbing.</div><=
div>Has Anyone out there ever used an external diff cooler on a GT6?</div><d=
iv>If so, how was it set up?</div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Jaso=
n Ostrowski</div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing</div><div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Race=
cars</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Scott Janzen <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sjan=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D=
"-ms-word-wrap: break-word;">thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the g=
ears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, wh=
ere I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it s=
low me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill climb.&nbsp; I'm s=
ure that did not do the diff any good.<div><br></div><div>Somehow the idea o=
f putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "vintage".<br><div><b=
r></div><div>Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling m=
ake a difference?&nbsp; I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.</div><div><br></div=
><div>I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out.</div><di=
v><div class=3D"h5"><div><br><div><div>On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason O=
strowski wrote:</div><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I agree that it is consumable=
. </div><div>A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesig=
n of all the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set o=
f other related projects. </div><div>Likely a costly and complex endeavor&nb=
sp;to say the least.</div><div>Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality=
 oil already as Steve recommends.</div><div>I notice you are racing faster l=
ately and seem to be doing great with the car.</div><div><br></div><div>Begi=
n Public Service announcement to all FoT...</div><div><br></div><div>That be=
ing said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself reg=
ularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.</div><div>Perhaps most im=
portantly on this issue&nbsp;is careful driving&nbsp;with a constant focus t=
o&nbsp;smooth transition between the gears.</div><div>And really important i=
s super smooth take-offs.</div><div>I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 ra=
cer of all time) at the track with me most of the time.</div><div>He&nbsp;is=
 never afraid to remind me of this.</div><div>And does so&nbsp;on a regular b=
asis when I'm leaving the grid.</div><div>Even after all these years of coac=
hing he will still often&nbsp;yell at me through my helmet prior to taking o=
ff.</div><div>something like....</div><div>&nbsp;"Ride that F$#&amp;%ng clut=
ch baby!!"</div><div>or "Easy take off". </div><div>Wisdom I'm not afraid to=
 admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment&nbsp;taking off to hit the=
 track.</div><div>One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do=
 damage to the differential.</div><div>I can trace most of my differential f=
ailures back to&nbsp;sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts...</div><div=
>We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaki=
ng for myself, I know it often is.</div><div>This was an FoT&nbsp;Public Ser=
vice Announcement...</div><div>Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Jason Ostrowski</div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing&nbsp;</=
div><div>1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 1=
2, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sja=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:=
1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-sty=
le:solid">Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt=
 Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.<br>
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronger=
?&nbsp; What are other vintage racers doing?<br>
<br>
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From: Bud Rolofson <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:44:08 -0600

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Thanks for explaining this in layman's (I speak fluent cursing) terms. Makes=
 sense that being smooth being fast is not just corners, it's using the car r=
ight too. Gotta finish.

Bud

Sent from my Commodore 64

> On Jul 13, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski <[email-masked]> wrot=
nds.
ar.
 me most of the time.
ifferential.
ions or abrupt starts...
>> Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stron=
ger?  What are other vintage racers doing?
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multi=
vintage.com
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Thanks for explaining this in layman's=
 (I speak fluent cursing) terms. Makes sense that being smooth being fast is=
 not just corners, it's using the car right too. Gotta finish.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Bud<br><br>Sent from my Commodore 64</div><div><br>On Jul 13, 20=
15, at 8:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I agree that it is consumable. </div><div>A ch=
ange to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the part=
s that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related p=
rojects. </div><div>Likely a costly and complex endeavor&nbsp;to say the lea=
st.</div><div>Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as S=
teve recommends.</div><div>I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to=
 be doing great with the car.</div><div><br></div><div>Begin Public Service a=
nnouncement to all FoT...</div><div><br></div><div>That being said, (especia=
lly the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly about how y=
ou need to treat the drivetrain.</div><div>Perhaps most importantly on this i=
ssue&nbsp;is careful driving&nbsp;with a constant focus to&nbsp;smooth trans=
ition between the gears.</div><div>And really important is super smooth take=
-offs.</div><div>I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at=
 the track with me most of the time.</div><div>He&nbsp;is never afraid to re=
mind me of this.</div><div>And does so&nbsp;on a regular basis when I'm leav=
ing the grid.</div><div>Even after all these years of coaching he will still=
 often&nbsp;yell at me through my helmet prior to taking off.</div><div>some=
thing like....</div><div>&nbsp;"Ride that F$#&amp;%ng clutch baby!!"</div><d=
iv>or "Easy take off". </div><div>Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to b=
e reminded of in a tense moment&nbsp;taking off to hit the track.</div><div>=
One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the dif=
ferential.</div><div>I can trace most of my differential failures back to&nb=
sp;sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts...</div><div>We all hate to ad=
mit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I k=
now it often is.</div><div>This was an FoT&nbsp;Public Service Announcement.=
..</div><div>Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Jason Ostrowski</div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing&nbsp;</div><div>1969 Triu=
mph GT6+ Racecars&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM=
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t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Ra=
ce. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.<br>
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronger=
?&nbsp; What are other vintage racers doing?<br>
<br>
Sent from my mobile device<br>
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From: "Peter Vucinic" <[email-masked]>
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Scott,

To answer some of your questions.

Would lower oil temps stops 'gear teeth breaking off' Short answer NO.
However, you should look at the differential as a complete system.

If you had tooth failure It could be due to a number of things: -

1.       Long Term Use/Operation Fatigue Failure

2.       High instantaneous/shock loading Failure

3.       Improper backlash/clearances - Causing Tooth Failure as a result of
incorrect tooth loading

4.       Improper lubrication/type/grade/flow/level/operating temperature

The beauty of synthetic oils is that it allows the system to run at MUCH
lower temperatures (And operate at higher temps of course) as a direct
result of the synthetic oil being able to FLOW/POUR with less resistance.
Just like mixing a cake! The thicker the mix, the higher the work load
required to mix, the more friction, the hotter the mixing temps.

The other side of the coin, in general, Synthetic is that is has LESS
mechanical dampening for high shock loading than traditional mineral based
oils for the same grade product. Even on synthetic engine oils you will see
description such as 'made for modern/tight clearances' etc. etc. Reduced
operating clearances and high oil shearing applications etc. is synthetics
domain.

So, when you look at the system as a whole. YES, it's important to have the
oil in its optimum temperature range. BUT all the other factors are equally
important. The oil is not mutually exclusive in the equation.

Hope that helps?

 

From: Scott Janzen [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 4:44 AM
To: Peter Vucinic
Cc: 'Jason Ostrowski'; ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure

so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, if the failure
experienced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth breaking off under
load, would lower temps help?  

I run Redline synthetic. 

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

[email-masked]

 

something like....

or "Easy take off".

Jason Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost Racing 

 

 

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Scott,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>To answer some of your questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Would lower oil temps stops &#8216;gear teeth breaking off&#8217; =
Short answer NO. However, you should look at the differential as a =
complete system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If you had tooth failure It could be due to a number of things: =
-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Long Term Use/Operation Fatigue Failure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>High instantaneous/shock loading Failure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Improper backlash/clearances &#8211; Causing Tooth Failure as a =
result of incorrect tooth loading<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Improper lubrication/type/grade/flow/level/operating =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The beauty of synthetic oils is that it allows the system to run at =
MUCH lower temperatures (And operate at higher temps of course) as a =
direct result of the synthetic oil being able to FLOW/POUR with less =
resistance. Just like mixing a cake! The thicker the mix, the higher the =
work load required to mix, the more friction, the hotter the mixing =
temps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The other side of the coin, in general, Synthetic is that is has LESS =
mechanical dampening for high shock loading than traditional mineral =
based oils for the same grade product. Even on synthetic engine oils you =
will see description such as &#8216;made for modern/tight =
clearances&#8217; etc. etc. Reduced operating clearances and high oil =
shearing applications etc. is synthetics domain.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So, when you look at the system as a whole. YES, it&#8217;s important =
to have the oil in its optimum temperature range. BUT all the other =
factors are equally important. The oil is not mutually exclusive in the =
equation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hope that helps?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Scott Janzen [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 14 July =
2015 4:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Vucinic<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Jason =
Ostrowski'; ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] =
Gt6 differential failure<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>so, while I respect the =
need proper operating temps, if the failure experienced is not bearing =
failure, but simply gear teeth breaking off under load, would lower =
temps help? &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I run Redline =
synthetic.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:32 =
PM, Peter Vucinic wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><br><br><span =
class=3Dapple-style-span><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Get the oil temp down and use full =
synthetic.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at =
highway speed cruising, the oil temp is =
180-200F.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>With the diff &#8216;tucked up&#8217; and limited air flow. You are =
starting with a problem before you =
start!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A=
0'>&quot;You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You =
Started With A Lage =
Fortune!&quot;</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Peter Vucinic</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>_______________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p><=
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>]<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf =
Of<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></b>Scott =
Janzen<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 =
AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Jason =
Ostrowski<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential =
failure</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through =
the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill =
turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then =
letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill =
climb. &nbsp;I'm sure that did not do the diff any =
good.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff =
in this car does not feel very =
&quot;vintage&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, =
and would cooling make a difference? &nbsp;I do run Redline 75-85 gear =
oil.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I will report back and send carnage photos =
when I get it out.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason =
Ostrowski wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I agree that it is =
consumable.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>A change to something different would seem =
to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could =
turn into a whole new set of other related =
projects.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Likely a costly and complex =
endeavor&nbsp;to say the least.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Knowing you, I assume you are using a =
quality oil already as Steve =
recommends.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I notice you are racing faster lately and =
seem to be doing great with the car.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Begin Public Service announcement to all =
FoT...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>That being said, (especially the faster you =
go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly about how you need to =
treat the drivetrain.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Perhaps most importantly on this =
issue&nbsp;is careful driving&nbsp;with a constant focus to&nbsp;smooth =
transition between the gears.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>And really important is super smooth =
take-offs.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer =
of all time) at the track with me most of the =
time.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>He&nbsp;is never afraid to remind me of =
this.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>And does so&nbsp;on a regular basis when =
I'm leaving the grid.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Even after all these years of coaching he =
will still often&nbsp;yell at me through my helmet prior to taking =
off.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>something =
like....<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;&quot;Ride that F$#&amp;%ng clutch =
baby!!&quot;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>or &quot;Easy take =
off&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be =
reminded of in a tense moment&nbsp;taking off to hit the =
track.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all =
it takes to do damage to the =
differential.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I can trace most of my differential =
failures back to&nbsp;sketchy shift transitions or abrupt =
starts...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>We all hate to admit that an equipment =
failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often =
is.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>This was an =
FoT&nbsp;Public Service =
Announcement...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Brought to you by Friendly Ghost =
Racing.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Jason =
Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Friendly Ghost =
Racing&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>1969 Triumph GT6+ =
Racecars&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
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style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott =
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gin-left:72.0pt'>Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race =
yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years =
ago.<br>Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to =
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From: John Hasty <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:56:28 +0000

Shock loading in road race conditions is why the guys at SPEC say you should use a clutch disc with springs

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On Jul 14, 2015, at 4:19 PM, "Peter Vucinic" <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:

Scott,
To answer some of your questions.
Would lower oil temps stops ‘gear teeth breaking off’ Short answer NO. However, you should look at the differential as a complete system.

3.       Improper backlash/clearances – Causing Tooth Failure as a result of incorrect tooth loading

The beauty of synthetic oils is that it allows the system to run at MUCH lower temperatures (And operate at higher temps of course) as a direct result of the synthetic oil being able to FLOW/POUR with less resistance. Just like mixing a cake! The thicker the mix, the higher the work load required to mix, the more friction, the hotter the mixing temps.

The other side of the coin, in general, Synthetic is that is has LESS mechanical dampening for high shock loading than traditional mineral based oils for the same grade product. Even on synthetic engine oils you will see description such as ‘made for modern/tight clearances’ etc. etc. Reduced operating clearances and high oil shearing applications etc. is synthetics domain.

So, when you look at the system as a whole. YES, it’s important to have the oil in its optimum temperature range. BUT all the other factors are equally important. The oil is not mutually exclusive in the equation.

Hope that helps?

so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, if the failure experienced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth breaking off under load, would lower temps help?
I run Redline synthetic.

Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.
I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F.
With the diff ‘tucked up’ and limited air flow. You are starting with a problem before you start!

"You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!"
Kind Regards
Peter Vucinic
TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII
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thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill climb.  I'm sure that did not do the diff any good.

Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "vintage".

Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference?  I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.

I agree that it is consumable.
A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related projects.
Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least.
Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recommends.
I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the car.

That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.
Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant focus to smooth transition between the gears.
And really important is super smooth take-offs.
I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track with me most of the time.
He is never afraid to remind me of this.
And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid.
Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me through my helmet prior to taking off.
something like....
 "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!"
or "Easy take off".
Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment taking off to hit the track.
One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the differential.
I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts...
We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often is.
This was an FoT Public Service Announcement...
Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

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Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronger?  What are other vintage racers doing?

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:27:08 -0500

I disagree. For the GT6 race car if you want to go fast that is simply not true.
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 

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From: "Peter Vucinic" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:05:48 +1000

John,
You are correct. 
Shock loading is undesirable for mechanical component longevity. In any
system it is a waste of energy and promotes issues with other components in
the system.

Sometimes it is unavoidable. And other times we all make those mistakes
during up or down shifting etc! And you get that light bulb moment that says
'that was dumb' I didn't really need to do that to my 40 year old car. Of
course, if your pockets are deep. It may not be an issue? I prefer to race
rather than repair.

I've always been taught that smooth is fast. That's what I aspire to each
time I get in my cars. Look after the machinery that has looked after you
and it will serve you well. Sure, we all want to be competitive and do the
very best. But at the end of the day, there Ain't no prize money in club
racing!!! 

For me it's having a fair crack at winning. But the camaraderie and
friendships far outweigh all else. Full stop.
Oh, and the big cheesy grin you get passing the modern cars helps!
Hahaaaaa....

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hasty [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 July 2015 6:56 AM
To: Peter Vucinic
Cc: Scott Janzen; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure

Shock loading in road race conditions is why the guys at SPEC say you should
use a clutch disc with springs

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On Jul 14, 2015, at 4:19 PM, "Peter Vucinic"

Scott,

Hope that helps?

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen

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