Subject: [Fot] Overheated parts

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The oil pump broke in my TR4 and roasted the bearings. The Moldex steel  
crank and Carillo rods are not damaged but are now a blue color from being  
overheated. The machine shop is wondering if it is ok to use them. What are 
FOT  thoughts? It takes 6 months to have another crank  made.
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From: "Joe Boruch" <[email-masked]>
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Same thing happened to me 10 years or so ago.  I sent the crank back to =
Moldex to be reworked by them.  Less time than a new crank, but still to=
ok a while.  The Carillo rods were toast.  Some were twisted.  Did not w=
ant to risk using them, even if we tried to straighten them.  Changed to=
 Pauter rods, since they are much less expensive.  With all the expense =
of an engine, it is not worth trying to get by with questionable parts. =
 Good luck with it.  Joe(B)

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The oil pump broke in my TR4 and roasted the bearings. The Moldex steel =
crank and Carillo rods are not damaged but are now a blue color from bei=
ng overheated. The machine shop is wondering if it is ok to use them. Wh=
at are FOT thoughts? It takes 6 months to have another crank made.
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<html><div>Same thing happened to me 10 years or so ago. &nbsp;I sent th=
e crank back to Moldex to be reworked by them. &nbsp;Less time than a ne=
w crank, but still took a while. &nbsp;The Carillo rods were toast. &nbs=
p;Some were twisted. &nbsp;Did not want to risk using them, even if we t=
ried to straighten them. &nbsp;Changed to Pauter rods, since they are mu=
ch less expensive. &nbsp;With all the expense of an engine, it is not wo=
rth trying to get by with questionable parts. &nbsp;Good luck with it. &=
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[email-masked]<br><br></p><div>The oil pump broke in my TR4 and roasted the =
bearings. The Moldex steel crank and Carillo rods are not damaged but ar=
e now a blue color from being overheated. The machine shop is wondering =
if it is ok to use them. What are FOT thoughts? It takes 6 months to hav=
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From: "Marcel Van Mulders" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:31:11 +0200

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Take a risk of reusing or not : maybe it depends on how the bearings and
bearing surfaces are looking : if bearing material is heat welded on the
crankshaft  or the crank bearing surfaces are rough, you cannot reassamble
the engine like that of course. But if the bearing surfaces are unmarked
(except for the colour), why not try and reassemble the engine with new
bearings and check after every added bearing and conrod if the crankshaft is
rotating without high points?
Marcel

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Van: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Joe Boruch
Verzonden: donderdag 25 juni 2015 4:31
Aan: [email-masked]
CC: [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Overheated parts

Same thing happened to me 10 years or so ago.  I sent the crank back to
Moldex to be reworked by them.  Less time than a new crank, but still took a
while.  The Carillo rods were toast.  Some were twisted.  Did not want to
risk using them, even if we tried to straighten them.  Changed to Pauter
rods, since they are much less expensive.  With all the expense of an
engine, it is not worth trying to get by with questionable parts.  Good luck
with it.  Joe(B)

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From: "Jim Gray" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 06:34:34 -0600

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Cryotreatment might be something to consider. Were fortunate here in Denver
to have a local company that does it at a good price.

jim g

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Peter Vucinic
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:38 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] Overheated parts

Wow! That's getting a bit scary! 400F or there bouts for blue.

Would not have done the steel structure any favors at all!  We are in
'stress relieving' territory for crankshaft materials.

I would not be placing a bet on the components if you use them again. Best
talk to Carrillo. Whatever they recommend will go equally as well for the
crank.

You may find that they are distorted beyond use in any event.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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consider. Were fortunate here in <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Denver</st1:place></st1:City>
to have a local company that does it at a good =
price.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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[mailto:[email-masked]] <b><span =
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Of </span></b>Peter Vucinic<br>
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face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Wow! =
That&#8217;s
getting a bit scary! 400F or there bouts for =
blue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Would not =
have done
the steel structure any favors at all! &nbsp;We are in &#8216;stress =
relieving&#8217;
territory for crankshaft materials.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I would not =
be
placing a bet on the components if you use them again. Best talk to =
Carrillo.
Whatever they recommend will go equally as well for the =
crank.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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n></font></b><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Fot
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b><span =
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Of </span></b>[email-masked]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 23 June =
2015 10:06
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
[email-masked]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Fot] Overheated =
parts<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The oil
pump broke in my TR4 and roasted the bearings. The Moldex steel crank =
and
Carillo rods are not damaged but are now a blue color from being =
overheated.
The machine shop is wondering if it is ok to use them. What are FOT =
thoughts?
It takes 6 months to have another crank =
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