Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil

From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 13:17:07 +0000 (UTC)

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I have not followed all of this thread, so this may be duplication.=C2=A0 W=
hen the major oil brands lowered the ZDDP content in their oils, Valvoline =
VR1 Racing Oil, continued to have ZDDP, but I am not sure whether the amoun=
t (%) of ZDDP changed or not.=C2=A0 Valvoline advertises this oil as contai=
ning ZDDP and recommends it for flat tappet engines.=C2=A0 Therefore, I hav=
e continued to use Valvoline Racing Oil in all of my flat tappet cars.=C2=
=A0 I also used this same oil in my race car for 24 years and have never ha=
d an oil related failure in either the race car or my street cars.=C2=A0 My=
 comments apply to break in oils as well as normal running oil.=C2=A0 I jus=
t use a lighter weight for breaking in a street engine.=C2=A0 No break-in r=
equired on race engines.

Jack
      From: Brian Schirano via Fot <[email-masked]>
 To: Bill Dentinger <[email-masked]>; Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton5=
[email-masked]>=20
Cc: "[email-masked]" <t>=20
 Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 8:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil
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Interesting, I was recently getting opinions onRotella locally, as I've hea=
rd from a couple of guys they run it in this andthat HP motors on a regular=
 basis (non Vintage guys), not just breakin. I sent a note to Shell andthey=
 say =E2=80=9CT6 5W-40 has approximately 1280 parts permillion of ZDDP=E2=
=80=9D.=C2=A0 This is aboutthe same as the Mobil One I run. That said a loc=
al detractor said it has toomuch detergent in his opinion.
SOoooo =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s all I can say, no firsthandexperience, but =
am considering running it. I like the discussion, and BTW the Rotella isn't=
 particularly cheap, have to watch em, it's a 4 qt jug vs most others are 5=
 qt.
ThanksBrian=C2=A0Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
[email-masked]
   =20

  From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <[email-masked]>
 To: Duncan Charlton <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil
  =20
I don't have an ax to grind with Lucas Oil products, but I sure do endorse =
Shell Rotella as a race engine break-in oil.=C2=A0 I always used it exclusi=
vely in the diesel engine in my tow vehicle, and we used it to break in rac=
e engines as well.

Bill Dentinger
=C2=A0=20

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>=20
> I am likewise a distrustful of Lucas oil.=C2=A0 The gear lube display oft=
en seen on the counter at auto parts stores demonstrates the climbing effec=
t of their lube and they claim this makes it better than conventional gear =
lubricants, however, an experimental demonstration posted on the bobistheoi=
lguy website revealed that the lube picked up a large mount of air compared=
 to 'regular' gear lube.=C2=A0 It makes me distrust their other products.
>=20
> I've used high quality assembly lube, broken in the cam properly, and the=
n did break in miles with Rotella.
>=20
> Duncan
> (Texas)
>=20
>> On 4/11/15 5:58 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote:
>> I don't subscribe to the Lucas aura. The lubrication additives I have fo=
und end up in the pan and have the consistency of hard Jello. I called Luca=
s and they couldn't put me in contact with an engineer that could explain w=
hy their products do this.
>>=20
>> When I build an engine with a new cam and lifters I use Shell Rotella 15=
w40 exclusively.
>>=20
>> I have used their (Lucas) assembly lube (sticky slimey stuff) with no is=
sues however.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On 4/11/2015 6:01 PM, Greg And Alison Blake via Fot wrote:
>>> Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil? I've used joe Gibbs in the past=
 but the price advantage of the Lucas is about 3:1.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks
>>>=20
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lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8275"><span=
 id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8665">I have not followed all of this thr=
ead, so this may be duplication.&nbsp; When the major oil brands lowered th=
e ZDDP content in their oils, Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil, continued to have Z=
DDP, but I am not sure whether the amount (%) of ZDDP changed or not.&nbsp;=
 Valvoline advertises this oil as containing ZDDP and recommends it for fla=
t tappet engines.&nbsp; Therefore, I have continued to use Valvoline Racing=
 Oil in all of my flat tappet cars.&nbsp; I also used this same oil in my r=
ace car for 24 years and have never had an oil related failure in either th=
e race car or my street cars.&nbsp; My comments apply to break in oils as w=
ell as normal running oil.&nbsp; I just use a lighter weight for breaking i=
n a street engine.&nbsp; No break-in required on race engines.<br></span></=
div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8711" dir=3D"ltr"><br><span></spa=
n></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8712" dir=3D"ltr"><span>Jack<=
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9"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8938" style=3D"font-weight:bold;"=
>From:</span></b> Brian Schirano via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8941"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14288391820=
00_8940" style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Bill Dentinger &lt;Bil=
[email-masked]&gt;; Duncan Charlton &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b=
r><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "[email-masked]"=
 &lt;t&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sund=
ay, April 12, 2015 8:00 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subjec=
t:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<br> </font> </div> <div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8265" class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv=
5785882265"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8267"><div id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1428839182000_8266" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-fam=
ily:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-se=
rif;font-size:16px;"><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_=
16_0_1_1428839237283_10024" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"=
yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10023" style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca, sans-serif;">Interesting, I was recently getting opinions on
Rotella locally, as I've heard from a couple of guys they run it in this an=
d
that HP motors on a regular basis (non Vintage guys), not just breakin. I s=
ent a note to Shell and
they say =E2=80=9CT</span><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265=
yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9587" style=3D"">6 5W-40 has approximately 1280 =
parts per
million of ZDDP</span>=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; This is about
the same as the Mobil One I run. That said a local detractor said it has to=
o
much detergent in his opinion.</div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5=
785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10024" style=3D""><br clear=3D"none"></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9373">

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37283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10030" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;=
">SOoooo =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s all I can say, no firsthand
experience, but am considering running it. I like the discussion, and BTW t=
he Rotella isn't particularly cheap, have to watch em, it's a 4 qt jug vs m=
ost others are 5 qt.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785=
882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv578588=
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iv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10437" style=3D"font-family:Helvetic=
a, sans-serif;">Thanks</span></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" dir=3D"ltr"=
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n></div><div></div><div id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9586"=
>&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265signature" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3=
_16_0_1_1428839237283_9374">Brian Schirano<br clear=3D"none">585-305-0349 C=
ell&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">[email-masked]</div><br clear=3D"none">  <=
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rom:</span></b> Bill Dentinger via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9916"><span id=
=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9915" style=3D"font-weight:bold=
;">To:</span></b> Duncan Charlton &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br c=
lear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "fot@auto=
x.team.net" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:18 PM<br=
 clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> R=
e: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766990522" id=3D"yiv5785882265yqtfd19714"> </div><di=
v class=3D"yiv5785882265y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_14=
28839237283_9689"><div class=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766990522" id=3D"yiv578588=
2265yqtfd82223"><br clear=3D"none">I don't have an ax to grind with Lucas O=
il products, but I sure do endorse Shell Rotella as a race engine break-in =
oil.&nbsp; I always used it exclusively in the diesel engine in my tow vehi=
cle, and we used it to break in race engines as well.<br clear=3D"none"><br=
 clear=3D"none">Bill Dentinger<br clear=3D"none">&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none">=
<br clear=3D"none">Sent from my iPad<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I am likewise a distrustful of L=
ucas oil.&nbsp; The gear lube display often seen on the counter at auto par=
ts stores demonstrates the climbing effect of their lube and they claim thi=
s makes it better than conventional gear lubricants, however, an experiment=
al demonstration posted on the bobistheoilguy website revealed that the lub=
e picked up a large mount of air compared to 'regular' gear lube.&nbsp; It =
makes me distrust their other products.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D=
"none">&gt; I've used high quality assembly lube, broken in the cam properl=
y, and then did break in miles with Rotella.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br cle=
ar=3D"none">&gt; Duncan<br clear=3D"none">&gt; (Texas)<br clear=3D"none">&g=
t; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; On 4/11/15 5:58 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wro=
te:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; I don't subscribe to the Lucas aura. The lub=
rication additives I have found end up in the pan and have the consistency =
of hard Jello. I called Lucas and they couldn't put me in contact with an e=
ngineer that could explain why their products do this.<br clear=3D"none">&g=
t;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; When I build an engine with a new cam an=
d lifters I use Shell Rotella 15w40 exclusively.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;=
 <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; I have used their (Lucas) assembly lube (stick=
y slimey stuff) with no issues however.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clea=
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 clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil? I've u=
sed joe Gibbs in the past but the price advantage of the Lucas is about 3:1=
.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks<br =
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I too have stuck with Valvoline VR1, and I use the off the shelf 20W-50. It h=
as gone from a $2.99 a quart oil to $6.99 and that puts it within a few buck=
s of some of the dedicated stuff. I may reconsider this in the future and ab=
andon my admittedly too frequent oil dumping schedule.

With the off the shelf VR1 non-synthetic there was a year or so where they t=
ook the ZDDP out of it. Sales dropped the they figured out that they had aba=
ndoned their customers.=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>=20
> I have not followed all of this thread, so this may be duplication.  When t=
he major oil brands lowered the ZDDP content in their oils, Valvoline VR1 Ra=
cing Oil, continued to have ZDDP, but I am not sure whether the amount (%) o=
f ZDDP changed or not.  Valvoline advertises this oil as containing ZDDP and=
 recommends it for flat tappet engines.  Therefore, I have continued to use V=
alvoline Racing Oil in all of my flat tappet cars.  I also used this same oi=
l in my race car for 24 years and have never had an oil related failure in e=
ither the race car or my street cars.  My comments apply to break in oils as=
 well as normal running oil.  I just use a lighter weight for breaking in a s=
treet engine.  No break-in required on race engines.
[email-masked]>=20
> Interesting, I was recently getting opinions on Rotella locally, as I've h=
eard from a couple of guys they run it in this and that HP motors on a regul=
ar basis (non Vintage guys), not just breakin. I sent a note to Shell and th=
ey say =E2=80=9CT6 5W-40 has approximately 1280 parts per million of ZDDP=E2=
=80=9D.  This is about the same as the Mobil One I run. That said a local de=
tractor said it has too much detergent in his opinion.
>=20
> SOoooo =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s all I can say, no firsthand experience, bu=
t am considering running it. I like the discussion, and BTW the Rotella isn'=
t particularly cheap, have to watch em, it's a 4 qt jug vs most others are 5=
 qt.
> Brian
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349 Cell=20
> I don't have an ax to grind with Lucas Oil products, but I sure do endorse=
 Shell Rotella as a race engine break-in oil.  I always used it exclusively i=
n the diesel engine in my tow vehicle, and we used it to break in race engin=
es as well.
>=20
> Bill Dentinger
>  =20
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
> > On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
> >=20
> > I am likewise a distrustful of Lucas oil.  The gear lube display often s=
een on the counter at auto parts stores demonstrates the climbing effect of t=
heir lube and they claim this makes it better than conventional gear lubrica=
nts, however, an experimental demonstration posted on the bobistheoilguy web=
site revealed that the lube picked up a large mount of air compared to 'regu=
lar' gear lube.  It makes me distrust their other products.
> >=20
> > I've used high quality assembly lube, broken in the cam properly, and th=
en did break in miles with Rotella.
> >> I don't subscribe to the Lucas aura. The lubrication additives I have f=
ound end up in the pan and have the consistency of hard Jello. I called Luca=
s and they couldn't put me in contact with an engineer that could explain wh=
y their products do this.
> >>=20
> >> When I build an engine with a new cam and lifters I use Shell Rotella 1=
5w40 exclusively.
> >>=20
> >> I have used their (Lucas) assembly lube (sticky slimey stuff) with no i=
ssues however.
> >>> Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil? I've used joe Gibbs in the pas=
t but the price advantage of the Lucas is about 3:1.
> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@cha=
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>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I too have stuck with Valvoline VR1, a=
nd I use the off the shelf 20W-50. It has gone from a $2.99 a quart oil to $=
6.99 and that puts it within a few bucks of some of the dedicated stuff. I m=
ay reconsider this in the future and abandon my admittedly too frequent oil d=
umping schedule.</div><div><br></div><div>With the off the shelf VR1 non-syn=
thetic there was a year or so where they took the ZDDP out of it. Sales drop=
ped the they figured out that they had abandoned their customers.&nbsp;<br><=
br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 12, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Jack Wheel=
er via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#=
000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helve=
tica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8275"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_866=
5">I have not followed all of this thread, so this may be duplication.&nbsp;=
 When the major oil brands lowered the ZDDP content in their oils, Valvoline=
 VR1 Racing Oil, continued to have ZDDP, but I am not sure whether the amoun=
t (%) of ZDDP changed or not.&nbsp; Valvoline advertises this oil as contain=
ing ZDDP and recommends it for flat tappet engines.&nbsp; Therefore, I have c=
ontinued to use Valvoline Racing Oil in all of my flat tappet cars.&nbsp; I a=
lso used this same oil in my race car for 24 years and have never had an oil=
 related failure in either the race car or my street cars.&nbsp; My comments=
 apply to break in oils as well as normal running oil.&nbsp; I just use a li=
ghter weight for breaking in a street engine.&nbsp; No break-in required on r=
ace engines.<br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8711" dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><span></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8712" d=
ir=3D"ltr"><span>Jack</span></div><br>  <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_142883918200=
0_8263" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Aria=
l, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_142=
8839182000_8262" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvet=
ica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1428839182000_8261" dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1428839182000_8264" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
28839182000_8939"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8938" style=3D"font=
-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Brian Schirano via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
28839182000_8941"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8940" style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Bill Dentinger &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:BillDent=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Duncan Charlton &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox=
.team.net">[email-masked]</a>" &lt;t&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-wei=
ght: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 12, 2015 8:00 AM<br> <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<b=
r> </font> </div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8265" class=3D"y_msg=
_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv5785882265"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182=
000_8267"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8266" style=3D"color:#000;ba=
ckground-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Ar=
ial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class=3D"yiv5785882265"=
 id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10024" style=3D""><span class=
=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10023" styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Interesting, I was recently getting=
 opinions on
Rotella locally, as I've heard from a couple of guys they run it in this and=

that HP motors on a regular basis (non Vintage guys), not just breakin. I se=
nt a note to Shell and
they say =E2=80=9CT</span><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9587" style=3D"">6 5W-40 has approximately 1280 pa=
rts per
million of ZDDP</span>=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; This is about
the same as the Mobil One I run. That said a local detractor said it has too=

much detergent in his opinion.</div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv57=
85882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10024" style=3D""><br clear=3D"none"></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9373">

</div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_142883923=
7283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_=
3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10030" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">S=
Ooooo =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s all I can say, no firsthand
experience, but am considering running it. I like the discussion, and BTW th=
e Rotella isn't particularly cheap, have to watch em, it's a 4 qt jug vs mos=
t others are 5 qt.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882=
265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265=
" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none"></span></d=
iv><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_=
1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv57858=
82265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10437" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-=
serif;">Thanks</span></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yi=
v5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv57=
85882265" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Brian</span></div><di=
v></div><div id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9586">&nbsp;</div=
><div class=3D"yiv5785882265signature" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_14288=
39237283_9374">Brian Schirano<br clear=3D"none">585-305-0349 Cell&nbsp;<br c=
lear=3D"none"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
</div><br clear=3D"none">  <div id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_142883923728=
3_9378" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial=
, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_=
16_0_1_1428839237283_9377" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neu=
e, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir=3D=
"ltr" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9376"> <div class=3D"qtd=
SeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766990522" id=3D"yi=
v5785882265yqtfd03104"><hr id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_937=
5" size=3D"1">  <font id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9379" fa=
ce=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_99=
18"><span id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9917" style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Bill Dentinger via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"y=
iv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9916"><span id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_=
16_0_1_1428839237283_9915" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Duncan=
 Charlton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">duncan.charlton=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;"=
>Cc:</span></b> "<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br c=
lear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturda=
y, April 11, 2015 8:18 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:b=
old;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<br clear=3D"none"> </=
font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766990522" id=3D"yiv5785882=
265yqtfd19714"> </div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5=
785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9689"><div class=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766=
990522" id=3D"yiv5785882265yqtfd82223"><br clear=3D"none">I don't have an ax=
 to grind with Lucas Oil products, but I sure do endorse Shell Rotella as a r=
ace engine break-in oil.&nbsp; I always used it exclusively in the diesel en=
gine in my tow vehicle, and we used it to break in race engines as well.<br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Bill Dentinger<br clear=3D"none">&nbsp; <br=
 clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Sent from my iPad<br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt; On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot &lt;=
<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I am likewise a distr=
ustful of Lucas oil.&nbsp; The gear lube display often seen on the counter a=
t auto parts stores demonstrates the climbing effect of their lube and they c=
laim this makes it better than conventional gear lubricants, however, an exp=
erimental demonstration posted on the bobistheoilguy website revealed that t=
he lube picked up a large mount of air compared to 'regular' gear lube.&nbsp=
; It makes me distrust their other products.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt; I've used high quality assembly lube, broken in the cam prop=
erly, and then did break in miles with Rotella.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt; Duncan<br clear=3D"none">&gt; (Texas)<br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; On 4/11/15 5:58 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wro=
te:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; I don't subscribe to the Lucas aura. The lubr=
ication additives I have found end up in the pan and have the consistency of=
 hard Jello. I called Lucas and they couldn't put me in contact with an engi=
neer that could explain why their products do this.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&g=
t; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; When I build an engine with a new cam and lif=
ters I use Shell Rotella 15w40 exclusively.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; I have used their (Lucas) assembly lube (sticky slime=
y stuff) with no issues however.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"non=
e">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&=
gt; On 4/11/2015 6:01 PM, Greg And Alison Blake via Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"n=
one">&gt;&gt;&gt; Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil? I've used joe Gibb=
s in the past but the price advantage of the Lucas is about 3:1.<br clear=3D=
"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks<br clear=3D"none"=
>&gt;&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt=
; _______________________________________________<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;=
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2nd for VR1.&nbsp; I use the non-synthetic version for (piston ring)
break in (one race weeked), then switch to the synthetic version.&nbsp; I
also add 4 oz of GM's EOS for a bit more ZDDP.&nbsp; Bearings typically
look almost brand new on my annual rebuild, and the cam stuff seems to be
OK too.&nbsp; I've got some good loads on the valvetrain.<br><br>
Seems to be about half the price of the other high quality oils (Brad
Penn, Redline, etc.)<br><br>
Cheers, Tony Drews<br><br>
At 08:17 AM 4/12/2015, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">I have not followed all of th=
is
thread, so this may be duplication.&nbsp; When the major oil brands
lowered the ZDDP content in their oils, Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil,
continued to have ZDDP, but I am not sure whether the amount (%) of ZDDP
changed or not.&nbsp; Valvoline advertises this oil as containing ZDDP
and recommends it for flat tappet engines.&nbsp; Therefore, I have
continued to use Valvoline Racing Oil in all of my flat tappet
cars.&nbsp; I also used this same oil in my race car for 24 years and
have never had an oil related failure in either the race car or my street
cars.&nbsp; My comments apply to break in oils as well as normal running
oil.&nbsp; I just use a lighter weight for breaking in a street
engine.&nbsp; No break-in required on race engines.<br><br>
Jack<br><br>
<br>
<font size=3D2><b>From:</b> Brian Schirano via Fot
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>To:</b> Bill Dentinger &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Duncan Charlton
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<b>Cc:</b> &quot;[email-masked]&quot; &lt;t&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 12, 2015 8:00 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<br>
</font><br>
Interesting, I was recently getting opinions on Rotella locally, as I've
heard from a couple of guys they run it in this and that HP motors on a
regular basis (non Vintage guys), not just breakin. I sent a note to
Shell and they say =E2=80=9CT6 5W-40 has approximately 1280 parts per millio=
n
of ZDDP=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; This is about the same as the Mobil One I run. That
said a local detractor said it has too much detergent in his
opinion.<br><br>
SOoooo =96 that=E2=80=99s all I can say, no firsthand experience, but am
considering running it. I like the discussion, and BTW the Rotella isn't
particularly cheap, have to watch em, it's a 4 qt jug vs most others are
5 qt.<br><br>
Thanks<br>
Brian<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Brian Schirano<br>
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<font size=3D2><b>From:</b> Bill Dentinger via Fot
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<b>To:</b> Duncan Charlton &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:18 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<br>
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I don't have an ax to grind with Lucas Oil products, but I sure do
endorse Shell Rotella as a race engine break-in oil.&nbsp; I always used
it exclusively in the diesel engine in my tow vehicle, and we used it to
break in race engines as well.<br><br>
Bill Dentinger<br>
&nbsp; <br><br>
Sent from my iPad<br><br>
&gt; On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot
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wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I am likewise a distrustful of Lucas oil.&nbsp; The gear lube
display often seen on the counter at auto parts stores demonstrates the
climbing effect of their lube and they claim this makes it better than
conventional gear lubricants, however, an experimental demonstration
posted on the bobistheoilguy website revealed that the lube picked up a
large mount of air compared to 'regular' gear lube.&nbsp; It makes me
distrust their other products.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I've used high quality assembly lube, broken in the cam properly,
and then did break in miles with Rotella.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Duncan<br>
&gt; (Texas)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; On 4/11/15 5:58 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I don't subscribe to the Lucas aura. The lubrication additives I
have found end up in the pan and have the consistency of hard Jello. I
called Lucas and they couldn't put me in contact with an engineer that
could explain why their products do this.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; When I build an engine with a new cam and lifters I use Shell
Rotella 15w40 exclusively.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; I have used their (Lucas) assembly lube (sticky slimey stuff)
with no issues however.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On 4/11/2015 6:01 PM, Greg And Alison Blake via Fot
wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil? I've used joe Gibbs
in the past but the price advantage of the Lucas is about 3:1.<br>
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