Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box

From: Jim Gray via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 07:07:30 -0600

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We had the exact same problem on one of our spits without MSD in =
Colorado.
=93When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit =
in
RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies=94=20

We didn=92t move the timing light sensor wire around though.

We have another spitfire that did one of the most bizarre things I=92ve =
ever
seen. We were trying to sort out another ignition miss problem and =
decided
it wasn=92t going to get fixed at that moment.

Dan, the owner decided to put it back in his pit, put the hood down and
fired it up. It seemed to run a bit worse than when we started so the =
hood
came back up while it was running.

The distributor cap didn=92t get put back on and it was running! The cap
wasn=92t even close to the distributor, it was almost a foot away and =
you
could see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. If someone had
told me that story and I hadn=92t seen it for myself I would have called =
BS.

All I can say is that was one hot coil, how it fired in any kind of =
order
that would allow it to run is still beyond my understanding.

As far as why a car will still seem to run unaffected by pulling #=92s 1 =
or 4
is still a puzzle to me.

Some people actually have success with an adjustable timing light on and =
MSD
equipped car ( if that=92s what your using ) I never did. MSD say=92s =
no. I had
to go back to=20

a fixed timing light because the timing was all over the place, hence =
the
dual spark up to 3K rpm.

Even with the fixed timing light I had trouble timing the car at the =
Kastner
Cup at Road America. The MSD unit completely failed the next weekend =
out.
Now I keep a spare in the box.

The point I=92m getting at is in this case it might not be the MSD box =
since
we had the same problem with a non-MSD car.

jim g

=20

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Steve Smith =
via
Fot
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 7:07 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box

=20

I've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4.  Drove us nuts until we =
tried
a new box.  They will repair it very cheaply as I recall.=20

=20

Remember how NASCAR's always have TWO on board??

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: don--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm
Subject: [Fot] MSD box

This Spitfire that was =93pawned=94 off on me has a MSD Digital 6A box =
in it.=20

=20

When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in =
RPM,
but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies.=20

=20

I put my timing gun on #1 wire, she fires at 15 =B0BTDC and same if I =
put the
timing gun sensor=20

on the #4 wire.=20

=20

When I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire, it shows it firing all =
over
the place, them seem to settle down to 15=B0btdc=20

and then goes crazy again, settles down. =20

=20

Not sure if this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some
answers here.=20

=20

I did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor =
module
inside the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no luck.=20

=20

Don=20

=20

DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY=20

(512)-680-3540=20

=20

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We had the exact same problem on =
one of
our spits without MSD in <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:State =
w:st=3D"on">Colorado</st1:State></st1:place>.
&#8220;</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>When I pull =
either #1 or
#4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in RPM, but if I pull #2 or =
#3 she
almost dies&#8221; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We didn&#8217;t move the timing =
light
sensor wire around though.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We have another spitfire that did =
one of
the most bizarre things I&#8217;ve ever seen. We were trying to sort out
another ignition miss problem and decided it wasn&#8217;t going to get =
fixed at
that moment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dan, the owner decided to put it =
back in his
pit, put the hood down and fired it up. It seemed to run a bit worse =
than when
we started so the hood came back up while it was =
running.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The distributor cap didn&#8217;t =
get put
back on and it was running! The cap wasn&#8217;t even close to the =
distributor,
it was almost a foot away and you could see the arc dancing all over the =
inside
of the cap. If someone had told me that story and I hadn&#8217;t seen it =
for
myself I would have called BS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All I can say is that was one hot =
coil,
how it fired in any kind of order that would allow it to run is still =
beyond my
understanding.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As far as why a car will still seem =
to run
unaffected by pulling #&#8217;s 1 or 4 is still a puzzle to =
me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Some people actually have success =
with an
adjustable timing light on and MSD equipped car ( if that&#8217;s what =
your
using ) I never did. MSD say&#8217;s no. I had to go back to =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>a fixed timing light because the =
timing
was all over the place, hence the dual spark up to 3K =
rpm.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Even with the fixed timing light I =
had
trouble timing the car at the Kastner Cup at Road <st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 w:st=3D"on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>. The MSD unit =
completely failed
the next weekend out. Now I keep a spare in the =
box.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The point I&#8217;m getting at is =
in this
case it might not be the MSD box since we had the same problem with a =
non-MSD
car.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Fot
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Steve Smith via Fot<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 06, =
2015 7:07
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> [email-masked];
[email-masked]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] MSD =
box</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I've seen that exact issue on a =
very fast
TR4. &nbsp;Drove us nuts until we tried a new box. &nbsp;They will =
repair it
very cheaply as I recall. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Remember how NASCAR's always have =
TWO on
board??<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: don--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm<br>
Subject: [Fot] MSD box<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This Spitfire that was
&#8220;pawned&#8221; off on me has a MSD Digital 6A box in it. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>When I pull either #1 or #4 plug =
wire she
runs fine, dips down a bit in RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost =
dies. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>=

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I put my timing gun on #1 wire, =
she fires
at 15 </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#666666" =
face=3DHelvetica><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#666666;background:=
white'>=B0</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>BTDC and same if I put the timing gun sensor =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>on the #4 wire. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>When I put the sensor on either #2 =
or #3
wire, it shows it firing all over the place, them seem to settle down to
15=B0btdc <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>and then goes crazy again, settles
down.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Not sure if this is the MSD box or =
not
but I thought I might get some answers here. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I did find that the rotor cap was
dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor module inside the distributor. I =
swapped out
rotor caps but still no luck. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>(512)-680-3540 =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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