Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs

From: Brian Schirano via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 20:48:07 +0000 (UTC)

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I'm interested in this topic as well. I inventory -5 through -9 NGKs and ru=
n -9s (coldest) in my GT which has a modest build, maybe 11.5:1 CR and Rich=
ard Good GP3 cam. Factory heat range is - 5 or -6 per NGK depending on if i=
t's a GT or TR.=C2=A0Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
[email-masked]
      From: Robert M. Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
 To: [email-masked]=20
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs
  =20
Hi,

I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they seem to=20
work fine. I have a collection of different temp range plugs from Accel=20
all the way from 113 through 117. I've never taken the time to play on the=
=20
dyno to see if there's any difference changing heat range. I know =3D "my=
=20
bad". I've never had a plug fail despite the amount of internet detritus=20
regarding the quality of this brand.

In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is 12:1,=20
Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition is Mallory /=
=20
Pertronix.

Would the NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be a better choice?

Regards,
rml
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7306959_8135" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1429817306959_8156">I'm =
interested in this topic as well. I inventory -5 through -9 NGKs and run -9=
s (coldest) in my GT which has a modest build, maybe 11.5:1 CR and Richard =
Good GP3 cam. Factory heat range is - 5 or -6 per NGK depending on if it's =
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17306959_8178"><br>Hi,<br><br>I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten =
or 15 years, they seem to <br>work fine. I have a collection of different t=
emp range plugs from Accel <br>all the way from 113 through 117. I've never=
 taken the time to play on the <br>dyno to see if there's any difference ch=
anging heat range. I know =3D "my <br>bad". I've never had a plug fail desp=
ite the amount of internet detritus <br>regarding the quality of this brand=
.<br><br>In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is=
 12:1, <br>Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition is=
 Mallory / <br>Pertronix.<br><br>Would the NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be a better c=
hoice?<br><br>Regards,<br>rml<br>------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------<br>Bob Lang&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &n=
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From: Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 16:57:33 -0400

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and another question - what do we gap them to, given the plugs are =
different than what the factory spec'd, most of us are running better =
coils, ignition systems, etc.

On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote:

I'm interested in this topic as well. I inventory -5 through -9 NGKs and =
run -9s (coldest) in my GT which has a modest build, maybe 11.5:1 CR and =
Richard Good GP3 cam. Factory heat range is - 5 or -6 per NGK depending =
on if it's a GT or TR.
=20
Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=20
[email-masked]

Hi,

I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they seem to=20=

work fine. I have a collection of different temp range plugs from Accel=20=

all the way from 113 through 117. I've never taken the time to play on =
the=20
dyno to see if there's any difference changing heat range. I know =3D =
"my=20
bad". I've never had a plug fail despite the amount of internet detritus=20=

In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is 12:1,=20=

Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition is Mallory =
/=20
Pertronix.

Regards,
rml
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">and =
another question - what do we gap them to, given the plugs are different =
than what the factory spec'd, most of us are running better coils, =
ignition systems, etc.<div><br><div><div>On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:48 PM, =
Brian Schirano via Fot wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style=3D"color:#000; =
background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, =
sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1429817306959_8135" =
dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1429817306959_8156">I'm interested =
in this topic as well. I inventory -5 through -9 NGKs and run -9s =
(coldest) in my GT which has a modest build, maybe 11.5:1 CR and Richard =
Good GP3 cam. Factory heat range is - 5 or -6 per NGK depending on if =
it's a GT or TR.</span></div><div></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1429817306959_8136">&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"signature" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1429817306959_8137">Brian =
Schirano<br>585-305-0349 Cell&nbsp;<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a></div><br>  =
<div style=3D"font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
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id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1429817306959_8195"> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Robert M. Lang via Fot =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a =
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Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1429817306959_8178"><br>Hi,<br><br>I've been using =
Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they seem to <br>work fine. I =
have a collection of different temp range plugs from Accel <br>all the =
way from 113 through 117. I've never taken the time to play on the =
<br>dyno to see if there's any difference changing heat range. I know =3D =
"my <br>bad". I've never had a plug fail despite the amount of internet =
detritus <br>regarding the quality of this brand.<br><br>In any case I =
was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is 12:1, <br>Webers, =
cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition is Mallory / =
<br>Pertronix.<br><br>Would the NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be a better =
choice?<br><br>Regards,<br>rml<br>----------------------------------------=
-----------------------------------<br>Bob Lang&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
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Why would you want to play with heat range on a dyno? There=E2=80=99s no =
horsepower difference. The only function of heat range is to have the =
porcelain at the right temperature to burn off deposits and not overheat =
to the point that the plug electrode melts or the porcelain blisters. Or =
at an extreme that the spark plug starts acting like a glow plug. Some =
tracks that are very tight or that have elevation changes might dictate =
a change to a hotter plug, or one with long open straights might warrant =
a colder one, but once you=E2=80=99re in the ballpark you shouldn=E2=80=99=
t have to do much.=20

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Robert M. Lang via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they seem to =
work fine. I have a collection of different temp range plugs from Accel =
all the way from 113 through 117. I've never taken the time to play on =
the dyno to see if there's any difference changing heat range. I know =3D =
"my bad". I've never had a plug fail despite the amount of internet =
detritus regarding the quality of this brand.
>=20
> In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is =
12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition is =
Mallory / Pertronix.
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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class=3D"">Why would you want to play with heat range on a dyno? =
There=E2=80=99s no horsepower difference. The only function of heat =
range is to have the porcelain at the right temperature to burn off =
deposits and not overheat to the point that the plug electrode melts or =
the porcelain blisters. Or at an extreme that the spark plug starts =
acting like a glow plug. Some tracks that are very tight or that have =
elevation changes might dictate a change to a hotter plug, or one with =
long open straights might warrant a colder one, but once you=E2=80=99re =
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class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Robert M. Lang via Fot &lt;<a =
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wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Hi,<br=
 class=3D""><br class=3D"">I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten =
or 15 years, they seem to work fine. I have a collection of different =
temp range plugs from Accel all the way from 113 through 117. I've never =
taken the time to play on the dyno to see if there's any difference =
changing heat range. I know =3D "my bad". I've never had a plug fail =
despite the amount of internet detritus regarding the quality of this =
brand.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">In any case I was thinking about =
switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration =
Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition is Mallory / Pertronix.<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">Would the NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be a better choice?<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Regards,<br class=3D"">rml<br =
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From: Allen Washatko via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:35:29 -0500

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Robert,

I run NGK BP9ES plugs in my race TR6. Work well at RA and Blackhawk  
Raceway (2 mile course).

Allen
On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Robert M. Lang via Fot wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they seem  
> to work fine. I have a collection of different temp range plugs from  
> Accel all the way from 113 through 117. I've never taken the time to  
> play on the dyno to see if there's any difference changing heat  
> range. I know = "my bad". I've never had a plug fail despite the  
> amount of internet detritus regarding the quality of this brand.
>
> In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is  
> 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition  
> is Mallory / Pertronix.
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]
>
>

Allen & Jody Washatko
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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Robert,<div><br></div><div>I =
run NGK BP9ES plugs in my race TR6. Work well at RA and Blackhawk =
Raceway (2 mile =
course).</div><div><br></div><div>Allen</div><div><div><div>On Apr 23, =
2015, at 1:51 PM, Robert M. Lang via Fot wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>Hi,<br><br>I've been using Accel 114's for the last =
ten or 15 years, they seem to work fine. I have a collection of =
different temp range plugs from Accel all the way from 113 through 117. =
I've never taken the time to play on the dyno to see if there's any =
difference changing heat range. I know =3D "my bad". I've never had a =
plug fail despite the amount of internet detritus regarding the quality =
of this brand.<br><br>In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. =
My TR6 motor is 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, =
etc. Ignition is Mallory / Pertronix.<br><br>Would the NGK BP6ES or =
BP7ES be a better =
choice?<br><br>Regards,<br>rml<br>----------------------------------------=
-----------------------------------<br>Bob Lang =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;Triumph TR6!! =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| =
&nbsp;This space for rent<br>Former NER Solo Chair =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;|<br>Voice:617-253-7438 =
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Also, I gap them at .035" (Crane ignition system).

> Would the NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be a better choice?

Jody & Allen Washatko
W51 N664 Highland Drive
Cedarburg, WI. 53012
USA

tel. (262) 617-6801

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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Also, I gap them at .035" =
(Crane ignition system).<br><div><div>On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:51 PM, =
Robert M. Lang via Fot wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>Hi,<br><br>I've been using Accel 114's for the last =
ten or 15 years, they seem to work fine. I have a collection of =
different temp range plugs from Accel all the way from 113 through 117. =
I've never taken the time to play on the dyno to see if there's any =
difference changing heat range. I know =3D "my bad". I've never had a =
plug fail despite the amount of internet detritus regarding the quality =
of this brand.<br><br>In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. =
My TR6 motor is 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, =
etc. Ignition is Mallory / Pertronix.<br><br>Would the NGK BP6ES or =
BP7ES be a better =
choice?<br><br>Regards,<br>rml<br>----------------------------------------=
-----------------------------------<br>Bob Lang =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;Triumph TR6!! =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| =
&nbsp;This space for rent<br>Former NER Solo Chair =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;|<br>Voice:617-253-7438 =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| &nbsp;Cell: =
339-927-4489<br>----------------------------------------------------------=
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You also can=E2=80=99t read a plug without a clean chop, which few =
people ever bother with or have any idea how to do. It=E2=80=99s a lot =
more important than starting with a clean plug. I don=E2=80=99t doubt =
that there=E2=80=99s a difference in horsepower in having a plug so hot =
that its blistering or pre-igniting, or so cold that it=E2=80=99s =
fouling. But there=E2=80=99s nothing you can learn on a dyno about what =
plug to use. If you=E2=80=99re smart about it, you run a very cold plug =
on a dyno.  And you mostly read plugs to get jetting right, not to =
choose the heat range.  I consider myself to be pretty good at reading =
plugs, I pestered Bobby Strahlman long enough and hard enough to learn =
most of what he was willing to tell me. It=E2=80=99s a bigger deal for =
motorcycles, in the same way that jetting carbs is a bigger deal. If =
you=E2=80=99ve only got one or two cylinders, and you=E2=80=99ve only =
got 30 horsepower, you better get them all.=20

On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Kas Kastner <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> The manner of having the right heat range can mean more than a little =
bit of power. It does mater.  Most plugs I look at for the guys are =
generally to hot for the circumstances. Learn about this stuff.  Clean =
the plugs, keep a little sand blast cleaner handy and never run a =
session without a few ( one or two CLEAN) plugs in the engine. You =
cannot read a dirty plug from running a session before. Don't be LAZY.
>=20
> Never be beaten by equipment.
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Bill Babcock via Fot =
> Why would you want to play with heat range on a dyno? There=E2=80=99s =
no horsepower difference. The only function of heat range is to have the =
>> I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they seem =
to work fine. I have a collection of different temp range plugs from =
Accel all the way from 113 through 117. I've never taken the time to =
play on the dyno to see if there's any difference changing heat range. I =
know =3D "my bad". I've never had a plug fail despite the amount of =
internet detritus regarding the quality of this brand.
>> http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">You also can=E2=80=99t read a plug without a clean chop, =
which few people ever bother with or have any idea how to do. It=E2=80=99s=
 a lot more important than starting with a clean plug. I don=E2=80=99t =
doubt that there=E2=80=99s a difference in horsepower in having a plug =
so hot that its blistering or pre-igniting, or so cold that it=E2=80=99s =
fouling. But there=E2=80=99s nothing you can learn on a dyno about what =
plug to use. If you=E2=80=99re smart about it, you run a very cold plug =
on a dyno. &nbsp;And you mostly read plugs to get jetting right, not to =
choose the heat range. &nbsp;I consider myself to be pretty good at =
reading plugs, I pestered Bobby Strahlman long enough and hard enough to =
learn most of what he was willing to tell me. It=E2=80=99s a bigger deal =
for motorcycles, in the same way that jetting carbs is a bigger deal. If =
you=E2=80=99ve only got one or two cylinders, and you=E2=80=99ve only =
got 30 horsepower, you better get them all.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
23, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Kas Kastner &lt;<a =
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class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">The manner of having the right =
heat range can mean more than a little bit of power. It does =
mater.&nbsp; Most plugs I look at for the guys are generally to hot for =
the circumstances. Learn about this stuff.&nbsp; Clean the plugs, keep a =
little sand blast cleaner handy and never run a session without a few ( =
one or two CLEAN) plugs in the engine. You cannot read a dirty plug from =
running a session before. Don't be LAZY. </div><div =
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<br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:11 =
PM, Bill Babcock via Fot <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"" =
class=3D"">Why would you want to play with heat range on a dyno? =
There=E2=80=99s no horsepower difference. The only function of heat =
range is to have the porcelain at the right temperature to burn off =
deposits and not overheat to the point that the plug electrode melts or =
the porcelain blisters. Or at an extreme that the spark plug starts =
acting like a glow plug. Some tracks that are very tight or that have =
elevation changes might dictate a change to a hotter plug, or one with =
long open straights might warrant a colder one, but once you=E2=80=99re =
in the ballpark you shouldn=E2=80=99t have to do much.&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Robert M. Lang =
via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Hi,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I've been using Accel 114's =
for the last ten or 15 years, they seem to work fine. I have a =
collection of different temp range plugs from Accel all the way from 113 =
through 117. I've never taken the time to play on the dyno to see if =
there's any difference changing heat range. I know =3D "my bad". I've =
never had a plug fail despite the amount of internet detritus regarding =
the quality of this brand.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">In any case I =
was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is 12:1, Webers, cam =
(street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition is Mallory / =
Pertronix.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Would the NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be =
a better choice?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Regards,<br =
class=3D"">rml<br =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
------------<br class=3D"">Bob Lang =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;Triumph TR6!! =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| =
&nbsp;This space for rent<br class=3D"">Former NER Solo Chair =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| &nbsp;Cell: 339-927-4489<br =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
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I run champion rn12yc plugs gapped ..040 - .045 and timing 35-38 total. The=
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p 2L six with '80s Jag electronic ignition. Uphill in VT & NH May through O=
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs

Hi,

I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they seem to work=
 fine. I have a collection of different temp range plugs from Accel all the=
 way from 113 through 117. I've never taken the time to play on the dyno to=
 see if there's any difference changing heat range. I know =3D "my bad". I'=
ve never had a plug fail despite the amount of internet detritus regarding =
the quality of this brand.

In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is 12:1, We=
bers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition is Mallory / Pe=
rtronix.

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amily: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">I run champion rn12yc plugs ga=
pped ..040 - .045 and timing 35-38 total. The variations will depend on air=
 quality /conditions. The motor is 11.5:1 comp 2L six with '80s Jag electro=
nic ignition. Uphill in VT &amp; NH May through Oct.<br>Brian </div></div><=
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e dyno to see if there's any difference changing heat range. I know =3D "my=
 bad". I've never had a plug fail despite the amount of internet detritus r=
egarding the quality of this brand.<br><br>In any case I was thinking about=
 switching to NGK. My TR6 motor is 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky =
Z19), header, etc. Ignition is Mallory / Pertronix.<br><br>Would the NGK BP=
6ES or BP7ES be a better choice?<br><br>Regards,<br>rml<br>----------------=
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It is the distance the heat has to travel up the center electrode to the 
metal shell so the plug can transfer heat to the water jackets in the head.
The greater distance the hotter the plug and shorter the cooler the heat 
range of a plug.
Champion makes is easy since the higher the number the hotter the plug.
A Champion RN9YC is a cooler plug than a RN12YC.
Look in any automotive text book or the Champion manuals for the 
explanation.
Glenn

On 4/24/2015 9:11 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
>
> OK, so here’s the stupid question of the day – what is it that makes a 
> hot plug “hotter” or a cold plug “colder”.  Is a “colder” plug more 
> resistant to absorbing heat?  And if so, why?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
> *From:*Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *Bill 
> Babcock via Fot
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:11 PM
> *To:* Robert M. Lang
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs
>
> Why would you want to play with heat range on a dyno? There’s no 
> horsepower difference. The only function of heat range is to have the 
> porcelain at the right temperature to burn off deposits and not 
> overheat to the point that the plug electrode melts or the porcelain 
> blisters. Or at an extreme that the spark plug starts acting like a 
> glow plug. Some tracks that are very tight or that have elevation 
> changes might dictate a change to a hotter plug, or one with long open 
> straights might warrant a colder one, but once you’re in the ballpark 
> you shouldn’t have to do much.
>
>     On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Robert M. Lang via Fot
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they
>     seem to work fine. I have a collection of different temp range
>     plugs from Accel all the way from 113 through 117. I've never
>     taken the time to play on the dyno to see if there's any
>     difference changing heat range. I know = "my bad". I've never had
>     a plug fail despite the amount of internet detritus regarding the
>     quality of this brand.
>
>     12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc.
>     Ignition is Mallory / Pertronix.
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">It is the distance the heat has to
      travel up the center electrode to the metal shell so the plug can
      transfer heat to the water jackets in the head. <br>
      The greater distance the hotter the plug and shorter the cooler
      the heat range of a plug.<br>
      Champion makes is easy since the higher the number the hotter the
      plug. <br>
      A Champion RN9YC is a cooler plug than a RN12YC.<br>
      Look in any automotive text book or the Champion manuals for the
      explanation.<br>
      Glenn<br>
      <br>
      On 4/24/2015 9:11 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:<br>
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            so here’s the stupid question of the day – what is it that
            makes a hot plug “hotter” or a cold plug “colder”.  Is a
            “colder” plug more resistant to absorbing heat?  And if so,
            why?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Why would you want to play with heat range
          on a dyno? There’s no horsepower difference. The only function
          of heat range is to have the porcelain at the right
          temperature to burn off deposits and not overheat to the point
          that the plug electrode melts or the porcelain blisters. Or at
          an extreme that the spark plug starts acting like a glow plug.
          Some tracks that are very tight or that have elevation changes
          might dictate a change to a hotter plug, or one with long open
          straights might warrant a colder one, but once you’re in the
          ballpark you shouldn’t have to do much. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,<br>
                  <br>
                  I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15
                  years, they seem to work fine. I have a collection of
                  different temp range plugs from Accel all the way from
                  113 through 117. I've never taken the time to play on
                  the dyno to see if there's any difference changing
                  heat range. I know = "my bad". I've never had a plug
                  fail despite the amount of internet detritus regarding
                  the quality of this brand.<br>
                  <br>
                  In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My
                  TR6 motor is 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky
                  Z19), header, etc. Ignition is Mallory / Pertronix.<br>
                  <br>
                  Would the NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be a better choice?<br>
                  <br>
                  Regards,<br>
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From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:52:06 +0000

So, if the plugs are too dark despite your EGTs and/or air-fuel meter showing the mixture is good, would you move up a heat range?  

If not, what would indicate a need to change the heat range of your plugs?

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 8:31 AM
To: Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spark Plugs

> OK, so here's the stupid question of the day - what is it that makes a 
> hot plug "hotter" or a cold plug "colder".  Is a "colder" plug more 

Basically, hotter plugs have more (thermal) insulation between the tip and the shell.  Do a quick Google and you'll find lots of diagrams showing the longer/shorter path for the heat to follow.

The reason for the differences in heat range (hotter or colder) is that the plug tip needs to get hot during operation, to burn away and prevent combustion deposits from fouling the plug; but not too hot.  Stock engines tend to have relatively low temperatures in the combustion chamber, so use a hotter plug to avoid fouling.  As the engine is modified for more power, the temperatures go up, and a colder plug is sometimes needed to keep the plug from overheating.  Too high a temperature at the plug tip can damage the plug, but more importantly also lead to detonation.  The plug tip can get so hot that it lights the mixture early (before the spark happens), causing loss of power and even engine damage.

I also found that, with the MSD 6 ignition, colder plugs would last longer on the street, but of course that's not an issue with a race car.

-- Randall

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From: Tony Drews via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:21:28 -0500

At the extremes - if you are getting detonation because the plug tip 
continues to glow, go colder.  If they are fouling (like with oil), 
go hotter.  Had a motorcycle that burned oil that would start running 
on 3 of 4 cylinders unless I ran hotter than stock plugs to keep the 
oil burned off the tip.

Tony

At 09:52 AM 4/24/2015, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
>So, if the plugs are too dark despite your EGTs and/or air-fuel 
>meter showing the mixture is good, would you move up a heat range?
>
>Basically, hotter plugs have more (thermal) insulation between the 
>tip and the shell.  Do a quick Google and you'll find lots of 
>diagrams showing the longer/shorter path for the heat to follow.
>
>The reason for the differences in heat range (hotter or colder) is 
>that the plug tip needs to get hot during operation, to burn away 
>and prevent combustion deposits from fouling the plug; but not too 
>hot.  Stock engines tend to have relatively low temperatures in the 
>combustion chamber, so use a hotter plug to avoid fouling.  As the 
>engine is modified for more power, the temperatures go up, and a 
>colder plug is sometimes needed to keep the plug from 
>overheating.  Too high a temperature at the plug tip can damage the 
>plug, but more importantly also lead to detonation.  The plug tip 
>can get so hot that it lights the mixture early (before the spark 
>happens), causing loss of power and even engine damage.
>
>I also found that, with the MSD 6 ignition, colder plugs would last 
>longer on the street, but of course that's not an issue with a race car.
>
>-- Randall
>
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]

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From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:24:38 +0000

Great link forwarded to me by Mr. J.C. Hassall, explain quite a lot, including that "self-cleaning" temperature you refer to.

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/p2.asp   

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 11:21 AM
To: Barr, Scott; Randall; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs

At the extremes - if you are getting detonation because the plug tip continues to glow, go colder.  If they are fouling (like with oil), go hotter.  Had a motorcycle that burned oil that would start running on 3 of 4 cylinders unless I ran hotter than stock plugs to keep the oil burned off the tip.

Tony

At 09:52 AM 4/24/2015, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
>So, if the plugs are too dark despite your EGTs and/or air-fuel meter 
>showing the mixture is good, would you move up a heat range?
>
> > OK, so here's the stupid question of the day - what is it that makes 
> > a hot plug "hotter" or a cold plug "colder".  Is a "colder" plug 
> > more resistant to absorbing heat?  And if so, why?
>
>Basically, hotter plugs have more (thermal) insulation between the tip 
>and the shell.  Do a quick Google and you'll find lots of diagrams 
>showing the longer/shorter path for the heat to follow.
>
>The reason for the differences in heat range (hotter or colder) is that 
>the plug tip needs to get hot during operation, to burn away and 
>prevent combustion deposits from fouling the plug; but not too hot.  
>Stock engines tend to have relatively low temperatures in the 
>engine is modified for more power, the temperatures go up, and a colder 
>plug is sometimes needed to keep the plug from overheating.  Too high a 
>temperature at the plug tip can damage the plug, but more importantly 
>also lead to detonation.  The plug tip can get so hot that it lights 
>the mixture early (before the spark happens), causing loss of power and 
>even engine damage.
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:20:49 -1000

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Oops, I thought I did.=20

> On Apr 24, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bill Tobin <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Thanks Bill, great info.
> Why not share with the rest of the gang?
> Cheers, Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:26 PM
>> Simple enough, you find a place you can be at whatever throttle =
setting you=E2=80=99re testing for a long time, like the length of a =
straight=E2=80=94generally wide open, but you might want part throttle =
sometimes. As you near the end you chop the throttle, push in the clutch =
and kill the ignition and coast to where you=E2=80=99re going to read =
the plug. Usually the hot pits.=20
>>=20
>> Generally the EGT, fuel meter, and plug reading will agree, the plug =
reading being the most sensitive since it=E2=80=99s the only one of =
these three parts that=E2=80=99s in the combustion chamber.  If they =
don=E2=80=99t you probably have something else affecting them, or =
possibly you have a seriously cold plug.=20
>>=20
>> You have to read a plug at the porcelain tip for heat range and at =
the base for mixture. If the tip is blistered or glossy white it=E2=80=99s=
 too hot. It should look grey or dull white. Look further down the =
porcelain with a lighted magnifying glass and read the base ring. It =
should be tan if your mixture is right. The ground electrode of a new =
plug gives you an indication of heat range also=E2=80=94if the plating =
is burned back past the curve it=E2=80=99s too hot, if it=E2=80=99s only =
burned at the tip the plug is a little too cold. You also want to look =
at the center electrode for signs of melting=E2=80=94the edges get =
slightly rounded when the plug is overheating. Can be an indication of =
too hot a plug but more likely the timing is too advanced.=20
>>=20
>> The right temperature is a pretty narrow range. Plugs start =
self-cleaning at about 500C, run best at 600-700C, and start =
pre-igniting at 800C.=20
>>=20
>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 3:53 AM, Bill Tobin <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>> Hi Bill, for the sake of those unfamiliar with a clean chop or clean =
cut, could you give a description of it? You're very well-spoken and =
articulate and know what you're talking about.
>>> An old friend taught me how to do a clean cut about 45 years ago; =
we'll see if his method and yours are the same. I'm willing to wager =
that they are.
>>> Thanks, Bill
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 1:21 AM
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Kas Kastner <[email-masked] =
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The manner of having the right heat range can mean more than a =
little bit of power. It does mater.  Most plugs I look at for the guys =
are generally to hot for the circumstances. Learn about          this =
stuff.  Clean the plugs, keep a little sand blast cleaner handy and =
never run a session without a few ( one or two CLEAN) plugs in the =
engine. You cannot read a dirty plug from running a session before. =
Don't be LAZY.=20
>>>>>> Why would you want to play with heat range on a dyno? There=E2=80=99=
s no horsepower difference. The only function of heat range is to have =
the porcelain at the right temperature to burn off deposits and not =
overheat to the point that the plug electrode melts or the porcelain =
blisters. Or at an extreme that the spark plug starts acting like a glow =
plug. Some tracks that are very tight or that have elevation changes =
might dictate a change to a hotter plug, or one with long open straights =
might warrant a colder one, but once you=E2=80=99re in the ballpark you =
shouldn=E2=80=99t have to do much.=20
>>>>>>> I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they =
seem to work fine. I have a collection of different temp range plugs =
from Accel all the way from 113 through 117. I've never              =
taken the time to play on the dyno to see if there's any difference =
changing heat range. I know =3D "my bad". I've never had a plug fail =
despite the amount of internet detritus regarding the quality of this =
brand.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor =
is 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition =
is Mallory / Pertronix.
>>>>>>> Bob Lang              Triumph TR6!!            |  This space for =
rent
>>>>>>> Former NER Solo Chair                          |
>>>>>>> Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: =
339-927-4489
>>>>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive =
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class=3D"">Oops, I thought I did.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
style=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
24, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bill Tobin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
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0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, =
255);" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Thanks =
Bill, great info.</font></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Why not share with the rest of the =
gang?</font></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Cheers, Bill</font></div><blockquote dir=3D"ltr"=
 style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
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class=3D"">----- Original Message -----<span =
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initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">Bill Babcock</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; =
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normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">Bill =
Tobin</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
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12:26 PM</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Spark =
Plugs</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Simple enough, you find =
a place you can be at whatever throttle setting you=E2=80=99re testing =
for a long time, like the length of a straight=E2=80=94generally wide =
open, but you might want part throttle sometimes. As you near the end =
you chop the throttle, push in the clutch and kill the ignition and =
coast to where you=E2=80=99re going to read the plug. Usually the hot =
pits.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Generally =
the EGT, fuel meter, and plug reading will agree, the plug reading being =
the most sensitive since it=E2=80=99s the only one of these three parts =
that=E2=80=99s in the combustion chamber. &nbsp;If they don=E2=80=99t =
you probably have something else affecting them, or possibly you have a =
seriously cold plug.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">You have to read a plug at the porcelain tip for heat range =
and at the base for mixture. If the tip is blistered or glossy white =
it=E2=80=99s too hot. It should look grey or dull white. Look further =
down the porcelain with a lighted magnifying glass and read the base =
ring. It should be tan if your mixture is right. The ground electrode of =
a new plug gives you an indication of heat range also=E2=80=94if the =
plating is burned back past the curve it=E2=80=99s too hot, if it=E2=80=99=
s only burned at the tip the plug is a little too cold. You also want to =
look at the center electrode for signs of melting=E2=80=94the edges get =
slightly rounded when the plug is overheating. Can be an indication of =
too hot a plug but more likely the timing is too =
advanced.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The right temperature is a pretty narrow range. Plugs start =
self-cleaning at about 500C, run best at 600-700C, and start =
pre-igniting at 800C.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
24, 2015, at 3:53 AM, Bill Tobin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"text-transform: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
text-indent: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica; =
white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Hi Bill, for the sake of those unfamiliar with =
a clean chop or clean cut, could you give a description of it? You're =
very well-spoken and articulate and know what you're talking =
about.</font></div><div style=3D"text-transform: none; background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255); text-indent: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; =
font-family: Helvetica; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">An old friend taught me how to do a =
clean cut about 45 years ago; we'll see if his method and yours are the =
same. I'm willing to wager that they are.</font></div><div =
style=3D"text-transform: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
text-indent: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica; =
white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Thanks, Bill</font></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; text-transform: none; =
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5px; margin-right: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D""><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;" class=3D"">----- Original Message -----<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: =
normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">Bill Babcock via Fot</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">Kas Kastner</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: =
normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">fot</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, April 24, 2015 1:21 =
AM</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Spark =
Plugs</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>You also can=E2=80=99t =
read a plug without a clean chop, which few people ever bother with or =
have any idea how to do. It=E2=80=99s a lot more important than starting =
with a clean plug. I don=E2=80=99t doubt that there=E2=80=99s a =
difference in horsepower in having a plug so hot that its blistering or =
pre-igniting, or so cold that it=E2=80=99s fouling. But there=E2=80=99s =
nothing you can learn on a dyno about what plug to use. If you=E2=80=99re =
smart about it, you run a very cold plug on a dyno. &nbsp;And you mostly =
read plugs to get jetting right, not to choose the heat range. &nbsp;I =
consider myself to be pretty good at reading plugs, I pestered Bobby =
Strahlman long enough and hard enough to learn most of what he was =
willing to tell me. It=E2=80=99s a bigger deal for motorcycles, in the =
same way that jetting carbs is a bigger deal. If you=E2=80=99ve only got =
one or two cylinders, and you=E2=80=99ve only got 30 horsepower, you =
better get them all.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:39 PM, =
Kas Kastner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">The manner of having the right =
heat range can mean more than a little bit of power. It does =
mater.&nbsp; Most plugs I look at for the guys are generally to hot for =
the circumstances. Learn about <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>this stuff.&nbsp; Clean the =
plugs, keep a little sand blast cleaner handy and never run a session =
without a few ( one or two CLEAN) plugs in the engine. You cannot read a =
dirty plug from running a session before. Don't be LAZY.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_signature"><div class=3D""><strong class=3D""><font =
color=3D"#000099" class=3D"">Never be beaten by =
equipment.</font></strong></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Bill Babcock via =
Fot<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; =
border-left-style: solid; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;"><div class=3D"">Why would you want to play with heat range on a =
dyno? There=E2=80=99s no horsepower difference. The only function of =
heat range is to have the porcelain at the right temperature to burn off =
deposits and not overheat to the point that the plug electrode melts or =
the porcelain blisters. Or at an extreme that the spark plug starts =
acting like a glow plug. Some tracks that are very tight or that have =
elevation changes might dictate a change to a hotter plug, or one with =
long open straights might warrant a colder one, but once you=E2=80=99re =
in the ballpark you shouldn=E2=80=99t have to do much.&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Robert M. Lang =
via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Hi,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I've been using Accel 114's =
for the last ten or 15 years, they seem to work fine. I have a =
collection of different temp range plugs from Accel all the way from 113 =
through 117. I've never<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>=
 <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>taken the time to play on =
the dyno to see if there's any difference changing heat range. I know =3D =
"my bad". I've never had a plug fail despite the amount of internet =
detritus regarding the quality of this brand.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 =
motor is 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. =
Ignition is Mallory / Pertronix.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Would the =
NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be a better choice?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Regards,<br class=3D"">rml<br =
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