Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box

From: Steve Smith via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 21:07:11 -0400

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I've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4.  Drove us nuts until we trie=
d a new box.  They will repair it very cheaply as I recall.

Remember how NASCAR's always have TWO on board??

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From: don--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm
Subject: [Fot] MSD box

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This Spitfire that was =E2=80=9Cpawned=E2=80=9D off on me has a MSD Digital=
 6A box in it.=20
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When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in RPM=
, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies.=20
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I put my timing gun on #1 wire, she fires at 15  =C2=B0BTDC and same if I p=
ut the timing gun sensor=20
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on the #4 wire.=20
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When I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire, it shows it firing all over =
the place, them seem to settle down to 15=C2=B0btdc=20
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and then goes crazy again, settles down. =20
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Not sure if this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some answe=
rs here.=20
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I did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor module =
inside the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no luck.=20
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<font color=3D'black' size=3D'2' face=3D'arial'>I've seen that exact issue =
on a very fast TR4. &nbsp;Drove us nuts until we tried a new box. &nbsp;The=
y will repair it very cheaply as I recall.
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<div>Remember how NASCAR's always have TWO on board??<br>

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From: don--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm<br>
Subject: [Fot] MSD box<br>
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This Spitfire that was =E2=80=9Cpawned=E2=80=9D off on me has a MSD Digital=
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When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in RPM=
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When I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire, it shows it firing all over =
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and then goes crazy again, settles down.&nbsp;
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Not sure if this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some answe=
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I did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor module =
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Don
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DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY
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From: Terry Stetler via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 07:04:58 -0400 <[email-masked]>

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A friend of mine was a very avid drag racer in years gone by and he =
always said that if you run an MSD you will end up with three of them.  =
One on the car, one as a spare and one at the factory being repaired.

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From: MadMarx via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 17:22:32 +0200

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You=92ve the best timing lights in the USA called SnapOn.

I have two of these and they work perfect on ALL cars I=92ve ever had =
tuned
in.=20

All timing lights failed and the SnapOn does the job.

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] Im Auftrag von Jim Gray via =
Fot
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2015 15:08
An: [email-masked]
Betreff: Re: [Fot] MSD box

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We had the exact same problem on one of our spits without MSD in =
Colorado.
=93When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit =
in
RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies=94=20

We didn=92t move the timing light sensor wire around though.

We have another spitfire that did one of the most bizarre things I=92ve =
ever
seen. We were trying to sort out another ignition miss problem and =
decided
it wasn=92t going to get fixed at that moment.

Dan, the owner decided to put it back in his pit, put the hood down and
fired it up. It seemed to run a bit worse than when we started so the =
hood
came back up while it was running.

The distributor cap didn=92t get put back on and it was running! The cap
wasn=92t even close to the distributor, it was almost a foot away and =
you
could see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. If someone had
told me that story and I hadn=92t seen it for myself I would have called =
BS.

All I can say is that was one hot coil, how it fired in any kind of =
order
that would allow it to run is still beyond my understanding.

As far as why a car will still seem to run unaffected by pulling #=92s 1 =
or 4
is still a puzzle to me.

Some people actually have success with an adjustable timing light on and =
MSD
equipped car ( if that=92s what your using ) I never did. MSD say=92s =
no. I had
to go back to=20

a fixed timing light because the timing was all over the place, hence =
the
dual spark up to 3K rpm.

Even with the fixed timing light I had trouble timing the car at the =
Kastner
Cup at Road America. The MSD unit completely failed the next weekend =
out.
Now I keep a spare in the box.

The point I=92m getting at is in this case it might not be the MSD box =
since
we had the same problem with a non-MSD car.

jim g

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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Steve Smith =
via
Fot
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 7:07 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box

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I've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4.  Drove us nuts until we =
tried
a new box.  They will repair it very cheaply as I recall.=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: don--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm
Subject: [Fot] MSD box

This Spitfire that was =93pawned=94 off on me has a MSD Digital 6A box =
in it.=20

=20

When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in =
RPM,
but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies.=20

=20

I put my timing gun on #1 wire, she fires at 15 =B0BTDC and same if I =
put the
timing gun sensor=20

on the #4 wire.=20

=20

When I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire, it shows it firing all =
over
the place, them seem to settle down to 15=B0btdc=20

=20

Not sure if this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some
answers here.=20

=20

I did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor =
module
inside the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no luck.=20

=20

Don=20

=20

DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY=20

(512)-680-3540=20

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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>You&#8217;ve the best timing lights in the USA called =
SnapOn.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I have two of these and they work perfect on ALL cars I&#8217;ve ever =
had tuned in. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>All timing lights failed and the SnapOn does the =
job.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Jim Gray =
via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 7. April 2015 15:08<br><b>An:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] MSD =
box<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We=
 had the exact same problem on one of our spits without MSD in Colorado. =
&#8220;</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
hen I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in =
RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies&#8221; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We=
 didn&#8217;t move the timing light sensor wire around =
though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We=
 have another spitfire that did one of the most bizarre things =
I&#8217;ve ever seen. We were trying to sort out another ignition miss =
problem and decided it wasn&#8217;t going to get fixed at that =
moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Da=
n, the owner decided to put it back in his pit, put the hood down and =
fired it up. It seemed to run a bit worse than when we started so the =
hood came back up while it was running.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Th=
e distributor cap didn&#8217;t get put back on and it was running! The =
cap wasn&#8217;t even close to the distributor, it was almost a foot =
away and you could see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. =
If someone had told me that story and I hadn&#8217;t seen it for myself =
I would have called BS.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Al=
l I can say is that was one hot coil, how it fired in any kind of order =
that would allow it to run is still beyond my =
understanding.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>As=
 far as why a car will still seem to run unaffected by pulling #&#8217;s =
1 or 4 is still a puzzle to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>So=
me people actually have success with an adjustable timing light on and =
MSD equipped car ( if that&#8217;s what your using ) I never did. MSD =
say&#8217;s no. I had to go back to <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>a =
fixed timing light because the timing was all over the place, hence the =
dual spark up to 3K rpm.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Ev=
en with the fixed timing light I had trouble timing the car at the =
Kastner Cup at Road America. The MSD unit completely failed the next =
weekend out. Now I keep a spare in the box.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Th=
e point I&#8217;m getting at is in this case it might not be the MSD box =
since we had the same problem with a non-MSD =
car.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>ji=
m g<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span lang=3DEN-US><hr size=3D2 =
width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Smith via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
April 06, 2015 7:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:<=
/b> Re: [Fot] MSD box</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4. &nbsp;Drove us nuts until =
we tried a new box. &nbsp;They will repair it very cheaply as I recall. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>R=
emember how NASCAR's always have TWO on =
board??<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: don--- via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: fot =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: =
Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm<br>Subject: [Fot] MSD =
box<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_23cfa6ad-ff53-4d62-a2a3-4c67065df8b1"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
his Spitfire that was &#8220;pawned&#8221; off on me has a MSD Digital =
6A box in it. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
hen I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in =
RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
 put my timing gun on #1 wire, she fires at 15 </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#666=
666;background:white'>=B0</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>B=
TDC and same if I put the timing gun sensor =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>o=
n the #4 wire. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
hen I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire, it shows it firing all =
over the place, them seem to settle down to 15=B0btdc =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>a=
nd then goes crazy again, settles down.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>N=
ot sure if this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some =
answers here. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
 did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor =
module inside the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no =
luck. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
on <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
ON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>(=
512)-680-3540 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 18:39:49 +0200

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Dear Listers, interesting to read that about the MSD boxes.=20

I heard in the past MSD has a very high failure rate (up to 50%).=20

So those troubles do confirm the reliability issues of MSD

So I never bought or installed one but went for the Crane boxes, which =
are
just great and run like a clock all the time.

Cheers!

AlexCamoletti

De : Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] De la part de Jim Gray via =
Fot
Envoy=E9 : mardi 7 avril 2015 15:08
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Objet : Re: [Fot] MSD box

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From: don--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm
Subject: [Fot] MSD box

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on the #4 wire.=20

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Don=20

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D'>Dear Listers, interesting to read that about the MSD boxes. =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I heard in the past MSD has a very high failure rate (up to 50%). =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So those troubles do confirm the reliability issues of =
MSD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So I never bought or installed one but went for the Crane boxes, =
which are just great and run like a clock all the =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>AlexCamoletti<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De&nbsp;:</s=
pan></b><span lang=3DFR =
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[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>De la part de</b> Jim Gray via =
Fot<br><b>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</b> mardi 7 avril 2015 =
15:08<br><b>=C0&nbsp;:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> Re: =
[Fot] MSD box<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Fot =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Smith via =
Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 06, 2015 7:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] MSD =
box</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
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----Original Message-----<br>From: don--- via Fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm<br>Subject: =
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From: Don Marshall via Fot <[email-masked]>
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Dear Listers, interesting to read that about the MSD boxes.
>
> I heard in the past MSD has a very high failure rate (up to 50%).
>
> So I never bought or installed one but went for the Crane boxes, which are
> Except possibly for the two Crane boxes I have on the shelf downstairs :-(
   These didn't like anything above about 5500 rpm.  Someday I might put
them in a street car, but not in a race car. Don

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s=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:39 P=
M, Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"FR-CH" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"blue"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Dear Listers, interesting to re=
ad that about the MSD boxes. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I heard in the past MSD has a v=
ery high failure rate (up to 50%). <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">So those troubles do conf=
irm the reliability issues of MSD<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">So I never bought or instal=
led one but went for the Crane boxes, which are just great and run like a c=
lock all the time.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">AlexCamoletti<u></=
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v></div></div></blockquote><div>Except possibly for the two Crane boxes I h=
ave on the shelf downstairs :-( =C2=A0 =C2=A0These didn&#39;t like anything=
 above about 5500 rpm.=C2=A0 Someday I might put them in a street car, but =
not in a race car. Don</div></div></div></div>

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 19:45:39 +0200

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Question:

Do people with MSD trouble run ignition cables which have no surpressors so
that the MSD might get disturbed?

Cheers

Chris

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D'>Question:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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From: Joe Curry via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 10:47:36 -0700

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Same experience with Crane that I had.   With MSD, I have had 3 of them and
only one of the 3 had a problem (knock wood). 

  _____  

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Don Marshall via
Fot
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:12 AM
To: Alexandre Camoletti
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Alexandre Camoletti via Fot
<[email-masked]> wrote:

Cheers!

AlexCamoletti

Except possibly for the two Crane boxes I have on the shelf downstairs :-(
These didn't like anything above about 5500 rpm.  Someday I might put them
in a street car, but not in a race car. Don

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had. &nbsp;&nbsp;With
MSD, I have had 3 of them and only one of the 3 had a problem (knock =
wood). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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[mailto:[email-masked]] <b><span =
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Of </span></b>Don Marshall via Fot<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 07, =
2015
10:12 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Alexandre =
Camoletti<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Friends of =
Triumph<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] MSD =
box</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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&lt;<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dear Listers, interesting to read that about the =
MSD
boxes. </span></font><span lang=3DFR-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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rate (up
to 50%). </span></font><span lang=3DFR-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>So those troubles do confirm the reliability =
issues of
MSD</span></font><span lang=3DFR-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>So I never bought or installed one but went for =
the
Crane boxes, which are just great and run like a clock all the =
time.</span></font><span
lang=3DFR-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Cheers!</span></font><span =
lang=3DFR-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DCalibri><span =
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downstairs
:-( &nbsp; &nbsp;These didn't like anything above about 5500 rpm.&nbsp; =
Someday
I might put them in a street car, but not in a race car. =
Don<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 12:19:54 -0600

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Removed my MSD and recieved the bonus of weight reduction.  Engine didn't s=
eem to miss it. I think their real benefit is only realized with a forced i=
nduction setup=2C so far not legal for vintage.=20
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Henry Morrison  Albuquerque=2C NM
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To: [email-masked]=3B [email-masked]
Date: Tue=2C 7 Apr 2015 18:39:49 +0200
Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box
From: [email-masked]

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Dear Listers=2C interesting to read that about the MSD boxes. I heard in th=
e past MSD has a very high failure rate (up to 50%). So those troubles do c=
onfirm the reliability issues of MSDSo I never bought or installed one but =
went for the Crane boxes=2C which are just great and run like a clock all t=
he time.Cheers!AlexCamolettiDe : Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] De=
 la part de Jim Gray via Fot
Envoy=E9 : mardi 7 avril 2015 15:08
=C0 : [email-masked]
Objet : Re: [Fot] MSD box We had the exact same problem on one of our spits=
 without MSD in Colorado. =93When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs=
 fine=2C dips down a bit in RPM=2C but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies=
=94 We didn=92t move the timing light sensor wire around though.We have ano=
ther spitfire that did one of the most bizarre things I=92ve ever seen. We =
were trying to sort out another ignition miss problem and decided it wasn=
=92t going to get fixed at that moment.Dan=2C the owner decided to put it b=
ack in his pit=2C put the hood down and fired it up. It seemed to run a bit=
 worse than when we started so the hood came back up while it was running.T=
he distributor cap didn=92t get put back on and it was running! The cap was=
n=92t even close to the distributor=2C it was almost a foot away and you co=
uld see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. If someone had told=
 me that story and I hadn=92t seen it for myself I would have called BS.All=
 I can say is that was one hot coil=2C how it fired in any kind of order th=
at would allow it to run is still beyond my understanding.As far as why a c=
ar will still seem to run unaffected by pulling #=92s 1 or 4 is still a puz=
zle to me.Some people actually have success with an adjustable timing light=
 on and MSD equipped car ( if that=92s what your using ) I never did. MSD s=
ay=92s no. I had to go back to a fixed timing light because the timing was =
all over the place=2C hence the dual spark up to 3K rpm.Even with the fixed=
 timing light I had trouble timing the car at the Kastner Cup at Road Ameri=
ca. The MSD unit completely failed the next weekend out. Now I keep a spare=
 in the box.The point I=92m getting at is in this case it might not be the =
MSD box since we had the same problem with a non-MSD car.jim g  From: Fot [=
mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Steve Smith via Fot
Sent: Monday=2C April 06=2C 2015 7:07 PM
To: [email-masked]=3B [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box I've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4.  =
Drove us nuts until we tried a new box.  They will repair it very cheaply a=
s I recall.  Remember how NASCAR's always have TWO on board??  -----Origina=
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Subject: [Fot] MSD boxThis Spitfire that was =93pawned=94 off on me has a M=
SD Digital 6A box in it.  When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fi=
ne=2C dips down a bit in RPM=2C but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies.  I =
put my timing gun on #1 wire=2C she fires at 15 =B0BTDC and same if I put t=
he timing gun sensor on the #4 wire.  When I put the sensor on either #2 or=
 #3 wire=2C it shows it firing all over the place=2C them seem to settle do=
wn to 15=B0btdc and then goes crazy again=2C settles down.   Not sure if th=
is is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some answers here.  I di=
d find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor module insi=
de the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no luck.  Don  DON C=
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"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 11pt=3B'>Dear Listers=2C interesting to read=
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me.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color=
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e: 11pt=3B'>Cheers!</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D'color: rgb(31=2C 73=2C 125)=3B font-family: "Calibri"=2C"sans-se=
rif"=3B font-size: 11pt=3B'>AlexCamoletti</span></p><div><div style=3D"bord=
er-width: 1pt medium medium=3B border-style: solid none none=3B border-colo=
r: rgb(181=2C 196=2C 223) currentColor currentColor=3B padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm=
=3B"><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D'font-family: "=
Tahoma"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>De&nbsp=3B:</span></b><span l=
ang=3D"FR" style=3D'font-family: "Tahoma"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'> Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>De la part de</b> Jim Gray=
 via Fot<br><b>Envoy=E9&nbsp=3B:</b> mardi 7 avril 2015 15:08<br><b>=C0&nbs=
p=3B:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Objet&nbsp=3B:</b> Re: [Fot] MSD box</sp=
an></p></div></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal">&nbsp=3B</p><p class=3D"ecxMso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=
=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>We had the exact same problem on one=
 of our spits without MSD in Colorado. =93</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine=2C dips down a bit=
 in RPM=2C but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies=94 </span></p><p class=3D=
"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "A=
rial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>We didn=92t move the timing lig=
ht sensor wire around though.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B =
font-size: 10pt=3B'>We have another spitfire that did one of the most bizar=
re things I=92ve ever seen. We were trying to sort out another ignition mis=
s problem and decided it wasn=92t going to get fixed at that moment.</span>=
</p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B =
font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Dan=2C the owner=
 decided to put it back in his pit=2C put the hood down and fired it up. It=
 seemed to run a bit worse than when we started so the hood came back up wh=
ile it was running.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size:=
 10pt=3B'>The distributor cap didn=92t get put back on and it was running! =
The cap wasn=92t even close to the distributor=2C it was almost a foot away=
 and you could see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. If someo=
ne had told me that story and I hadn=92t seen it for myself I would have ca=
lled BS.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'=
color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>A=
ll I can say is that was one hot coil=2C how it fired in any kind of order =
that would allow it to run is still beyond my understanding.</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-fam=
ily: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>As far as why a car will=
 still seem to run unaffected by pulling #=92s 1 or 4 is still a puzzle to =
me.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color=
: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Some p=
eople actually have success with an adjustable timing light on and MSD equi=
pped car ( if that=92s what your using ) I never did. MSD say=92s no. I had=
 to go back to </span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10p=
t=3B'>a fixed timing light because the timing was all over the place=2C hen=
ce the dual spark up to 3K rpm.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=
=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Even with the fixed timing light I had trouble timi=
ng the car at the Kastner Cup at Road America. The MSD unit completely fail=
ed the next weekend out. Now I keep a spare in the box.</span></p><p class=
=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family:=
 "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>The point I=92m getting at i=
s in this case it might not be the MSD box since we had the same problem wi=
th a non-MSD car.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 1=
0pt=3B'>jim g</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p><div><div align=3D"center" class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"text-align: center=3B"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><hr width=3D"100%" size=
=3D"2" align=3D"center"></span></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D'font-family: "Tahoma"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10p=
t=3B'>From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'font-family: "Tahoma"=
=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'> Fot [mailto:[email-masked].=
net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Smith via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday=2C Apri=
l 06=2C 2015 7:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]=3B [email-masked]<b=
r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] MSD box</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p><=
/div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp=3B</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-fa=
mily: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>I've seen that exact is=
sue on a very fast TR4. &nbsp=3BDrove us nuts until we tried a new box. &nb=
sp=3BThey will repair it very cheaply as I recall. </span></p><div><p class=
=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family=
: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B =
font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Remember how NAS=
CAR's always have TWO on board??</span></p><div><blockquote style=3D"border=
-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt=3B border-style: none none none solid=3B=
 border-color: currentColor currentColor currentColor blue=3B padding: 0cm =
0cm 0cm 2pt=3B"><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-=
serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"=
sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: don-=
-- via Fot &lt=[email-masked]&gt=3B<br>To: fot &lt=[email-masked]=
et&gt=3B<br>Sent: Mon=2C Apr 6=2C 2015 4:55 pm<br>Subject: [Fot] MSD box</s=
pan></p><div id=3D"ecxAOLMsgPart_1.2_23cfa6ad-ff53-4d62-a2a3-4c67065df8b1">=
<div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: bl=
ack=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>This Spit=
fire that was =93pawned=94 off on me has a MSD Digital 6A box in it. </span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'col=
or: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nb=
sp=3B</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 1=
0pt=3B'>When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine=2C dips down a =
bit in RPM=2C but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies. </span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B fo=
nt-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: =
black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>I put m=
y timing gun on #1 wire=2C she fires at 15 </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D'background: white=3B color: rgb(102=2C 102=2C 102)=3B font-family: "He=
lvetica"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>=B0</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-siz=
e: 10pt=3B'>BTDC and same if I put the timing gun sensor </span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B=
 font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>on the #4 wire.=
 </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font=
-size: 10pt=3B'>When I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire=2C it shows i=
t firing all over the place=2C them seem to settle down to 15=B0btdc </span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'col=
or: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>and=
 then goes crazy again=2C settles down.&nbsp=3B </span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-fam=
ily: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=
=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Not sure if =
this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some answers here. </s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'=
color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>=
&nbsp=3B</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size=
: 10pt=3B'>I did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Igni=
tor module inside the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no lu=
ck. </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10=
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 18:21:38 +0000 (UTC)

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I've only had one fail in four years. A loose battery cable that had fallen=
 on the exhaust and shorted may have been part of the cause=20
but I can't verify it. I see a lot of race cars with back up ignitions but =
I'm not so sure it's because of an abnormal failure rate as=20
the cost of a DNF is far higher than just building in redundant parts..like=
 a back up fuel pump.=20
jim=20

----- Original Message -----

From: "Alexandre Camoletti" <[email-masked]>=20
To: "Jim Gray" <[email-masked]>, "fot" <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:39:49 AM=20
Subject: RE: [Fot] MSD box=20

So those troubles do confirm the reliability issues of MSD=20

So I never bought or installed one but went for the Crane boxes, which are =
just great and run like a clock all the time.=20

Cheers!=20

AlexCamoletti=20

De=C2=A0: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] De la part de Jim Gray vi=
a Fot=20
Envoy=C3=A9=C2=A0: mardi 7 avril 2015 15:08=20
=C3=80=C2=A0: [email-masked]=20
Objet=C2=A0: Re: [Fot] MSD box=20

=C2=A0=20

We had the exact same problem on one of our spits without MSD in Colorado. =
=E2=80=9C When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a =
bit in RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies=E2=80=9D=20

We didn=E2=80=99t move the timing light sensor wire around though.=20

We have another spitfire that did one of the most bizarre things I=E2=80=99=
ve ever seen. We were trying to sort out another ignition miss problem and =
decided it wasn=E2=80=99t going to get fixed at that moment.=20

Dan, the owner decided to put it back in his pit, put the hood down and fir=
ed it up. It seemed to run a bit worse than when we started so the hood cam=
e back up while it was running.=20

The distributor cap didn=E2=80=99t get put back on and it was running! The =
cap wasn=E2=80=99t even close to the distributor, it was almost a foot away=
 and you could see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. If someo=
ne had told me that story and I hadn=E2=80=99t seen it for myself I would h=
ave called BS.=20

All I can say is that was one hot coil, how it fired in any kind of order t=
hat would allow it to run is still beyond my understanding.=20

As far as why a car will still seem to run unaffected by pulling #=E2=80=99=
s 1 or 4 is still a puzzle to me.=20

Some people actually have success with an adjustable timing light on and MS=
D equipped car ( if that=E2=80=99s what your using ) I never did. MSD say=
=E2=80=99s no. I had to go back to=20

a fixed timing light because the timing was all over the place, hence the d=
ual spark up to 3K rpm.=20

Even with the fixed timing light I had trouble timing the car at the Kastne=
r Cup at Road America. The MSD unit completely failed the next weekend out.=
 Now I keep a spare in the box.=20

The point I=E2=80=99m getting at is in this case it might not be the MSD bo=
x since we had the same problem with a non-MSD car.=20

jim g=20

=C2=A0=20

=C2=A0=20

From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Steve Smith via =
Fot=20
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 7:07 PM=20
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box=20

=C2=A0=20

I've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4. =C2=A0Drove us nuts until we=
 tried a new box. =C2=A0They will repair it very cheaply as I recall.=20

=C2=A0=20

Remember how NASCAR's always have TWO on board??=20

=C2=A0=20

=C2=A0=20

-----Original Message-----=20
From: don--- via Fot <[email-masked]>=20
To: fot <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm=20
Subject: [Fot] MSD box=20

=C2=A0=20

=C2=A0=20

I put my timing gun on #1 wire, she fires at 15 =C2=B0 BTDC and same if I p=
ut the timing gun sensor=20

on the #4 wire.=20

=C2=A0=20

and then goes crazy again, settles down.=C2=A0=20

=C2=A0=20

=C2=A0=20

=C2=A0=20

Don=20

=C2=A0=20

DON COUCH PHOTOGRAPHY=20

(512)-680-3540=20

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00"><DIV>I've only had one fail in four years. A loose battery cable that h=
ad fallen on the exhaust and shorted may have been part of the cause<BR>but=
 I can't verify it. I see a lot of race cars with back up ignitions but I'm=
 not so sure it's because of an abnormal failure rate as</DIV>
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<DIV>the cost of a DNF is far higher than just building in redundant parts.=
.like a back up fuel pump.</DIV>
<DIV>jim</DIV>
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B>From: </B>"Alexandre Camoletti" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>To: </B>"Ji=
m Gray" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;, "fot" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
BR><B>Sent: </B>Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:39:49 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE: [=
Fot] MSD box<BR>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Dear Listers, interesting to re=
ad that about the MSD boxes. </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I heard in the past MSD has a v=
ery high failure rate (up to 50%). </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>So those troubles do confirm th=
e reliability issues of MSD</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>So I never bought or installed =
one but went for the Crane boxes, which are just great and run like a clock=
 all the time.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Cheers!</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>AlexCamoletti</SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=3DFR style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De&nbsp;:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=3DFR style=3D'FON=
T-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@=
autox.team.net] <B>De la part de</B> Jim Gray via Fot<BR><B>Envoy=C3=A9&nbs=
p;:</B> mardi 7 avril 2015 15:08<BR><B>=C3=80&nbsp;:</B> [email-masked]=
<BR><B>Objet&nbsp;:</B> Re: [Fot] MSD box</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>We had the exact same problem on one=
 of our spits without MSD in Colorado. =E2=80=9C</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-US s=
tyle=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>W=
hen I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine, dips down a bit in RPM,=
 but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies=E2=80=9D </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>We didn=E2=80=99t move the timing li=
ght sensor wire around though.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>We have another spitfire that did on=
e of the most bizarre things I=E2=80=99ve ever seen. We were trying to sort=
 out another ignition miss problem and decided it wasn=E2=80=99t going to g=
et fixed at that moment.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>Dan, the owner decided to put it bac=
k in his pit, put the hood down and fired it up. It seemed to run a bit wor=
se than when we started so the hood came back up while it was running.</SPA=
N></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>The distributor cap didn=E2=80=99t g=
et put back on and it was running! The cap wasn=E2=80=99t even close to the=
 distributor, it was almost a foot away and you could see the arc dancing a=
ll over the inside of the cap. If someone had told me that story and I hadn=
=E2=80=99t seen it for myself I would have called BS.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>All I can say is that was one hot co=
il, how it fired in any kind of order that would allow it to run is still b=
eyond my understanding.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>As far as why a car will still seem =
to run unaffected by pulling #=E2=80=99s 1 or 4 is still a puzzle to me.</S=
PAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>Some people actually have success wi=
th an adjustable timing light on and MSD equipped car ( if that=E2=80=99s w=
hat your using ) I never did. MSD say=E2=80=99s no. I had to go back to </S=
PAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>a fixed timing light because the tim=
ing was all over the place, hence the dual spark up to 3K rpm.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>Even with the fixed timing light I h=
ad trouble timing the car at the Kastner Cup at Road America. The MSD unit =
completely failed the next weekend out. Now I keep a spare in the box.</SPA=
N></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>The point I=E2=80=99m getting at is =
in this case it might not be the MSD box since we had the same problem with=
 a non-MSD car.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>jim g</SPAN></P>
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LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: navy'>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-F=
AMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'F=
ONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Fot [mailto:fot-bounce=
[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Steve Smith via Fot<BR><B>Sent:</B> M=
onday, April 06, 2015 7:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> [email-masked]; [email-masked]=
m.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] MSD box</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-US></SPAN>=
</P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>I've seen that exact issue on a ver=
y fast TR4. &nbsp;Drove us nuts until we tried a new box. &nbsp;They will r=
epair it very cheaply as I recall. </SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Remember how NASCAR's always have T=
WO on board??</SPAN></P>
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Original Message-----<BR>From: don--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR=
>To: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR>Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 4:55 pm<BR>Su=
bject: [Fot] MSD box</SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>This Spitfire that was =E2=80=9Cpaw=
ned=E2=80=9D off on me has a MSD Digital 6A box in it. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>&nbsp;</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wi=
re she runs fine, dips down a bit in RPM, but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost=
 dies. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>&nbsp;</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>I put my timing gun on #1 wire, she=
 fires at 15 </SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMIL=
Y: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; BACKGROUND: white; COLOR: #666666'>=C2=B0</SPA=
N><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-s=
erif"; COLOR: black'>BTDC and same if I put the timing gun sensor </SPAN></=
P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>on the #4 wire. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>&nbsp;</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>When I put the sensor on either #2 =
or #3 wire, it shows it firing all over the place, them seem to settle down=
 to 15=C2=B0btdc </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>and then goes crazy again, settles =
down.&nbsp; </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Not sure if this is the MSD box or =
not but I thought I might get some answers here. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>I did find that the rotor cap was d=
ragging on the Pertronix Ignitor module inside the distributor. I swapped o=
ut rotor caps but still no luck. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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