From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 17:37:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5FC2D078D for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:37:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C1C2D0783 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:37:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.247.85.107] (165.sub-174-252-154.myvzw.com [174.252.154.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9KNcofL015351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:38:52 -0400 References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <002001cdaf0a$9913fc50$cb3bf4f0$@com> In-Reply-To: <002001cdaf0a$9913fc50$cb3bf4f0$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <7C965EDB-0EE7-4B25-86C8-6452EEDEF56E@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: John Hasty Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:38:48 -0400 To: MadMarx X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=U7Uy3tbHuYcA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=yb/ox8Ksi/c2YYk1D4gBUQ==:17 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=Cog4ckJWcjQARsU1-PUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=yb/ox8Ksi/c2YYk1D4gBUQ==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.5083360D.0023, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We use a dist from Moss called I think, "race" with protrpnix and their coil Never any problem. I think it is aMG dist at any rate be sure and use thee red rotor From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 10:55:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2532D02DD for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s29.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s29.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C352D01C4 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT141-W9 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s29.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:48:43 -0700 From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: , , Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:48:43 -0700 References: <3b42.26dce4b6.3db4212e@aol.com> FILETIME=[EE5A0DC0:01CDAFAB] Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi There; The mix of bits I use with success is :malloy alloy dist. pertronixMSD 6AL Digital. (rev limiter)Taylor 8mm wires. Although not perfect, The parts are fairly easy to get, Not tooo costly and most important to me..they work ! The dist. will go about 2 seasons before they need a basic refresh/rebuild. The advance weight bushings fail (plastic). The malloy rotors are weak. Carry a spare ! Also, the CSRG folks do not allow MSD ign., so the box is placed in a discreet location..... painted black. I guess they don't want the BIG RED box to be seen...or something like that. I'm also interested in what other racers are using. CheersTony Garmey > From: Gt6steve@aol.com > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:45:50 -0400 > To: sjanzen@me.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 > > We've seen some strange maladies with the Mallory Electronics. I don't > think you can beat the points Mallory for performance and reliability. > > For the Herald based cars you order the Jag distributor. Not sure if the > TR4's are the same.... > > > In a message dated 10/20/2012 8:29:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sjanzen@me.com writes: > > The folks at Electromotive tell me the very elegant crank triggered > ignition on my EP TR4 is not firing correctly throughout the rpm range. As I may > take this car back to vintage, I'm looking for a distributor-based > replacement. So, should it be Mallory with electronic guts, given reported quality > issues with Lucas replacement caps, etc? Other thoughts? And, if you > have a known good set-up you want to sell, let me know. > > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 11:41:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E29E2D02FC for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:41:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97902D02C6 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rq2so1588768pbb.14 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:37:20 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=SQVmengIpzIiXT6HILwwR0g9x1/q+N45G62DpHTynzI=; b=A/Lp5hk57IIWltAYKIExgPtI0R/uPEPgCsGqoIInda++sfiAzN0Y96V8MpeGzGMHqi cqx8ie351q6drtxHUIBSe1ztQk1DP1BQgEDEEdapvtuTF/cLyyTaZUtcJtzOouIwt3s0 uqVhjd6DD7gMAi1JQZ6SbJBQkDVh97SbFHVPLtcna2CX8y8St7yVsK0T3LGRN2uqiqJd Mnzg6zaRTCVgX+2jM5XYdfWtgM+69ZcK+m/mhU+SF/GcgxxA5fGdN0iy1IYdgjvxqYtY 22YPMChK1+Ohxxt5GW9s7/bdtwxPTQbMDhTqheThwisPiBsloNXuKe3CxNlz9pf0Y0X8 sAPw== Received: by 10.66.87.34 with SMTP id u2mr19328218paz.82.1350841040263; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nt7sm4577807pbb.33.2012.10.21.10.37.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:37:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:37:15 -0700 References: <3b42.26dce4b6.3db4212e@aol.com> To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I liked the simplicity of the Mallory dual points with total loss battery, though I admit to a few embarassing incidents when the battery went flat. When Tony took over maintenance of Peyote he went immediately to a pertronix unit, which I had abandoned feeling they need more than the 12 or less volts of a total loss system under load. Of course they worked fine for him. He also added an alternator, which has been a bit of a mixed bag. When you rev fequently to 7K the vibrations are tough on alternator mounts. Slowing the alternator helps, but it's still a heavy weight on the far end of a system that's shaking like a cheap blender. The bottom line with Peyote is that under Tony's care I've broken all my personal lap records at every track I run at, every year. And the car runs flawlessly. I know damned well it's not the driver getting better. On Oct 21, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > Hi There; The mix of bits I use with success is :malloy alloy dist. > pertronixMSD 6AL Digital. (rev limiter)Taylor 8mm wires. Although not > perfect, The parts are fairly easy to get, Not tooo costly and most important > to me..they work ! The dist. will go about 2 seasons before they need a > basic refresh/rebuild. The advance weight bushings fail (plastic). The malloy > rotors are weak. Carry a spare ! Also, the CSRG folks do not allow MSD ign., > so the box is placed in a discreet location..... painted black. I guess they > don't want the BIG RED box to be seen...or something like that. I'm also > interested in what other racers are using. CheersTony Garmey >> From: Gt6steve@aol.com >> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:45:50 -0400 >> To: sjanzen@me.com; fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 >> >> We've seen some strange maladies with the Mallory Electronics. I don't >> think you can beat the points Mallory for performance and reliability. >> >> For the Herald based cars you order the Jag distributor. Not sure if the >> TR4's are the same.... >> >> >> In a message dated 10/20/2012 8:29:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> sjanzen@me.com writes: >> >> The folks at Electromotive tell me the very elegant crank triggered >> ignition on my EP TR4 is not firing correctly throughout the rpm range. As > I may >> take this car back to vintage, I'm looking for a distributor-based >> replacement. So, should it be Mallory with electronic guts, given reported > quality >> issues with Lucas replacement caps, etc? Other thoughts? And, if you >> have a known good set-up you want to sell, let me know. >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve@aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 12:30:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A370A2D0349 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0A32D02C2 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DuPT1k0011vXlb85BuX4F7; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:31:04 +0000 Received: from ComputerPC ([71.60.181.57]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DuX81k0031EiJYf3duX8nD; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:31:08 +0000 From: "Stutzmans" To: "Scott Janzen" , "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:31:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm surprised to hear that some of the racers are using new Pertronix dizzys. I think they are made in India; but for whatever reason I'm not impressed with their build quality as compared with the old Lucas 25D and 45D dizzys. When properly sorted out on a Sun machine 25Ds and 45Ds (Glen likes the 45D because of its big cap) give excellent service. A very important issue for racers is cam lobe accuracy which is an easy test on a Sun machine. I've almost always found Lucas 4 cylinder dizzys to be right on. Not so much on the Lucas 22D6 (TR6 dizzy) though. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 > The folks at Electromotive tell me the very elegant crank triggered > ignition on my EP TR4 is not firing correctly throughout the rpm range. As > I may take this car back to vintage, I'm looking for a distributor-based > replacement. So, should it be Mallory with electronic guts, given > reported quality issues with Lucas replacement caps, etc? Other thoughts? > And, if you have a known good set-up you want to sell, let me know. > > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 12:59:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD312D02C4 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1ACE2D02BE for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB692E038 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:54:10 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sweet! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I finally took the time to sit down and focus on the Team.Net archiving problem. It seems to be working once again. Click on the archive link and check it out. There are still some problems, like the "prev" and "next" buttons, but the basic functionality is there, the archives are getting updated every hour. It will be a while before I get all the missing mail back in there, should be done sometime during the week. And feel free to click on the links for the Google ads, I could use a few pennies and nickles for a celebratory beverage. Maybe an Epic Spiral Jetty IPA or a some of their Imperial Red... mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 13:18:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD162D0305 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB982D02BE for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DE94038000060 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dne005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dne005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.81]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BAAE9E000082 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:19:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Gt6steve@aol.com Full-name: Gt6steve Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:19:35 -0400 (EDT) To: FOT@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350847175; bh=Ho1JKOkmQ9YlGfsAei9k4ZE5kxNUY9t+0yHB28YBGH8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WKhbGSV32jZf6Z6dx0wefr3cwvzW7VCjjP1KN2nYuoBmb9JKih5mKJtw3TB+9ELAq B7Kskw5O90Io7aWWfErGmHipNTX1l1uyrv1eMky2l77CIOMaJPVTyFsm4V4sAhY4gm mgJTUuJALZvwOwNNgdaHdjwsfPXN4hdN/jbNwvHg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d50844ac717b4 Subject: [Fot] Just a test-delete Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This is a test, please ignore;-)) Steve _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 13:48:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F6A2D02D8 for ; 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MSD have rules you must follow or failure will be immanent however should that happen it is easy to bypass and just use the dual point and stay racing for the weekend. From: Bill Babcock To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 I liked the simplicity of the Mallory dual points with total loss battery, though I admit to a few embarassing incidents when the battery went flat. When Tony took over maintenance of Peyote he went immediately to a pertronix unit, which I had abandoned feeling they need more than the 12 or less volts of a total loss system under load. Of course they worked fine for him. He also added an alternator, which has been a bit of a mixed bag. When you rev fequently to 7K the vibrations are tough on alternator mounts. Slowing the alternator helps, but it's still a heavy weight on the far end of a system that's shaking like a cheap blender. The bottom line with Peyote is that under Tony's care I've broken all my personal lap records at every track I run at, every year. And the car runs flawlessly. I know damned well it's not the driver getting better. On Oct 21, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > Hi There; The mix of bits I use with success is :malloy alloy dist. > pertronixMSD 6AL Digital. (rev limiter)Taylor 8mm wires. Although not > perfect, The parts are fairly easy to get, Not tooo costly and most important > to me..they work ! The dist. will go about 2 seasons before they need a > basic refresh/rebuild. The advance weight bushings fail (plastic). The malloy > rotors are weak. Carry a spare ! Also, the CSRG folks do not allow MSD ign., > so the box is placed in a discreet location..... painted black. I guess they > don't want the BIG RED box to be seen...or something like that. I'm also > interested in what other racers are using. CheersTony Garmey >> From: Gt6steve@aol.com >> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:45:50 -0400 >> To: sjanzen@me.com; fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 >> >> We've seen some strange maladies with the Mallory Electronics. I don't >> think you can beat the points Mallory for performance and reliability. >> >> For the Herald based cars you order the Jag distributor. Not sure if the >> TR4's are the same.... >> >> >> In a message dated 10/20/2012 8:29:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> sjanzen@me.com writes: >> >> The folks at Electromotive tell me the very elegant crank triggered >> ignition on my EP TR4 is not firing correctly throughout the rpm range. As > I may >> take this car back to vintage, I'm looking for a distributor-based >> replacement. So, should it be Mallory with electronic guts, given reported > quality >> issues with Lucas replacement caps, etc? Other thoughts? And, if you >> have a known good set-up you want to sell, let me know. >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve@aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 14:47:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707C42D02BF for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:47:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3992D02BC for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C40C2E022 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:45:22 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: FOT References: <508444D2.7080000@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sweet! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well the FOT archives are not working as planned. For some reason April and May have duplicate entries, and the October archive is not showing up at all, even though mail is going into it. It is a cool and cloudy day, so while I ought to be out in the garage I'll keep working on Team.Net for a while. It's always something! mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 1 10:59:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A382D0164 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 29A302C0D1C for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2012 16:59:48 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.251] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2012 16:59:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2012 16:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 14819 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2012 16:59:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1349110788; bh=ChWSzIMOr6MFau8f+JFDnnCzkz5KitPTfk2qdoHbInY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZPREF33HOn2RR2DeH3WtaafT39mJEX+BK/KPAnZoxKfazStxlmuYkfSYma25USayyoClAop0wbFgXO9zuAyVjdUVlTXRpok907IijuT4TBFIrdkFpeMk1CE5LBtxzD0Sl7o8ZxziQGLpEAgD31aX7PaalTbyByNrxuVbvQ0Vqik= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=myTamWhPuEt/ThSd0tcbc11hXqSaqWue2YOXHNnI1BzPocOlNf59hGnUyd70wv1S+bqqE6oLfSr/4c4gFhr2R32gr8fufS9Hs2lqH3Q5tcguYG/Mcl3sDe6Fs+e5z+vOHOYBFUAKZej9i9JUKYlOoVeFRCoJ9/XdM7qytkfn+0Y=; HjeC.dhY4JBhSHwWMruPtX_BRAd1K3bp_MoC_WQzqkLB_rpCXXmzJ_Zsu3aa otoT_NewT_hhBzOWH37X0rO3d7UzKdLPxGgJkwN5GQN6cYZP4_hBwKi7CIRv b7JCMfZIEvr8COekblmphtC76RDwsp902.rDC5j6MeQbOq7gs7nHebswYs4h yCDOKTk6ec5MfoEtAc_qn1R_xK684VCt6RvaTYM_RxzHTznZnHrxU3SqdbMG Pl7b2HeVfIaiUwFNuRTSqepNU2zU48mYaARoMoGJNJeEP9Nsw2sB0E6b8LIR GHVHqpST06Pnd3OtfDGVOpx1mO1gYaQKCdzgezYY4.A0yusCk10yiLCJKINq iwm5S8Ub7MhiA9.DDBekkoptB3Eqk3a4onjP8Qh_7jXPgmZaHVbZcs5fDoPp w2azhl5VwwK39dKsAQC1c1Fdz_w-- Received: from [99.71.100.143] by web162204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Oct 2012 09:59:48 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Morter To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 frames Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello fot, Anyone know if the TR3 frames are all the same from year to year? Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 2 14:56:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AECB2C0D18 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 14:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp004.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp004.mac.com [17.158.236.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8552C0CB4 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 14:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.26] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MBA0060CABFUY20@nk11p04mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 02 Oct 2012 20:59:41 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-02_04:2012-10-02,2012-10-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210020247 From: Scott Janzen Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:59:39 -0400 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] SU Carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net the pistons in the SUs on my recently acquired E production TR4 clatter wildly at idle and up to 2500 rpm, at least. Springs are installed, and the damper oil just gets quickly pumped right out the vent hole in the plastic cap when the car is running. It certainly smooths out at high speed, but the condition also makes it difficult to start - I need to stick a finger in each one to hold the damper up slightly, then get it running over idle speed. Ideas on where to start? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 2 15:56:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D268E2C0D13 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 15:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s34.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s34.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643822C0D06 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 15:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W23 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s34.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 2 Oct 2012 14:57:35 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: "sjanzen@me.com" , fot Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 21:57:34 +0000 References: <82EDD5B7-5761-4CFD-B024-16C987A8BC53@me.com> FILETIME=[EE2C4D30:01CDA0E8] Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Check to see if the cross over pipe is plugged as that will make the inlets pulse. There is no power gain having hte cross over plugged. Never be beaten by equipment > From: sjanzen@me.com > Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 16:59:39 -0400 > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] SU Carb question > > the pistons in the SUs on my recently acquired E production TR4 clatter wildly at idle and up to 2500 rpm, at least. Springs are installed, and the damper oil just gets quickly pumped right out the vent hole in the plastic cap when the car is running. > It certainly smooths out at high speed, but the condition also makes it difficult to start - I need to stick a finger in each one to hold the damper up slightly, then get it running over idle speed. > > Ideas on where to start? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 2 16:28:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034E12C0D18 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 16:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oms-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (oms-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [205.188.58.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505ED2C0D13 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 16:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.67]) by oms-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (AOL Outbound OMS Interface) with ESMTP id EC52B1C000109; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.47.158.225] (mobile-198-228-192-048.mycingular.net [198.228.192.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8A2FDE0000BF; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:31:07 -0400 (EDT) References: <82EDD5B7-5761-4CFD-B024-16C987A8BC53@me.com> From: Christopher Bock Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:31:13 -0400 To: Scott Janzen x-aol-global-disposition: S s=20110426; t=1349217067; bh=+vOWSj6IBHwLmNrsicS56TdDZfQBC7m3+cdTuXTsLLc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=myfYy2aSv4mQpy4t/0/kFA5fjc2VQHYTrp5OfMzamHiWiblOKTrYLtHEbqLONKrxC CSPF8nZn7xRflXAIQ6jFsmLpEd/jKSLQNhrY0pQRs5ei/3U0lQ3emV9oi510iqT7MF Z9vaLnNCp4TYnBAlzDtoGSZL2ZPstYJxcL1vKF/w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2943506b6b2b550b Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A friends bugeye had the same problem. Solution was to raise the idle to about 1700. After all it was a race engine. Chris On Oct 2, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > the pistons in the SUs on my recently acquired E production TR4 clatter wildly at idle and up to 2500 rpm, at least. Springs are installed, and the damper oil just gets quickly pumped right out the vent hole in the plastic cap when the car is running. > It certainly smooths out at high speed, but the condition also makes it difficult to start - I need to stick a finger in each one to hold the damper up slightly, then get it running over idle speed. > > Ideas on where to start? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 2 19:18:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853F12D0726 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from spamtest3.bright.net (spamtest3.bright.net [209.143.0.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8B62D0326 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:22:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg6.cniteam.com (rg6.cniteam.com [209.143.0.246]) by spamtest3.bright.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q930PWMR000726; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 20:25:32 -0400 Received: from [10.240.173.85] (38.sub-174-231-16.myvzw.com [174.231.16.38]) by rg6.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id EIR31107 (AUTH tedtsimx@bright.net); Tue, 2 Oct 2012 20:25:31 -0400 From: "tedtsimx@bright.net" To: "Scott Janzen", "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 20:25:47 -0400 References: <82EDD5B7-5761-4CFD-B024-16C987A8BC53@me.com> refid=str=0001.0A020203.506B85FC.004E,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-09-13 19:33:14, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=single engine HTML_MESSAGE,T_FROM_MISSPACED,24(-2),50(1) Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, what model SU's - H6 or HS6? Ted Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 20:59:39 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] SU Carb question the pistons in the SUs on my recently acquired E production TR4 clatter wildly at idle and up to 2500 rpm, at least. Springs are installed, and the damper oil just gets quickly pumped right out the vent hole in the plastic cap when the car is running. It certainly smooths out at high speed, but the condition also makes it difficult to start - I need to stick a finger in each one to hold the damper up slightly, then get it running over idle speed. Ideas on where to start? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx@bright.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 08:54:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC2B2D042A for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:54:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E712D0365 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 07:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W103 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 3 Oct 2012 06:58:54 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:58:53 -0400 FILETIME=[397CE2A0:01CDA16F] Subject: [Fot] Carrillo Rod Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Rod bolt question for you experts. I latched onto a used set of Carrillo rods for my next spitfire engine. I figured I would get them crack tested and size checked and be on my way. That was until I checked on the tightening requirements. According to Carrillo you need to measure the rod bolts when new and then re-measure them after each disassembly to make sure they have not been overstretched. I am lacking that original length measurement. I would just replace them all for good measure but I was quoted a price of $56 per bolt. That being said I would prefer to use the original bolts IF they are still good. Anybody have any alternative methods of determining if these rod bolts have not been over stretched? The bolts are SPS CARR S4's Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 09:30:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA41F2D0662 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCD82D05C9 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so21815955ied.14 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 07:40:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=jcl32qHt/ny0WqmwxkUhmTsqP6M3RVoATIDyPTRXTLw=; b=WZfezpfX6qvLGPwz1lqBWlAYPMeFqSyFhplHOEMtLkFjojbKAnCT/8fFF97oeOUQLa a43gzfZsPEE2M9J3dVGnS3dxDQS1t9mLjcL8C7AmxZULR09uFsrEiu1Hj0WA4B42l5K2 GfRU/Z4YdIlxpvWtLJ1zy+g7ZKufHNSQ6XHoVmcqV+HVo+p2/Ev4DwjAU1tyly/OUabo zaakTTPfbd495/aQj0O7RPsMQPbw0UYAq2YS/D9dutxzuhHnBr/t9KVFanky/UPxf+tq 6Ni79MDqR36YYgOPnqQkttXCNLQmfoOg9g5MA66fPe4zFhkghnETl7oDAZzRdpqS8Qs8 OkLA== Received: by 10.50.153.130 with SMTP id vg2mr9466291igb.26.1349275240328; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 07:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.6.197 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 07:40:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Marshall Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:40:00 -0400 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 cam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I found a new (or freshly reground) cam in my spares bin that is marked on the box as "TR-3 cam", and is stamped on the end with "M 13". None of the other cams I have are stamped except racing cams. Does M 13 on a TR3 cam mean anything to anyone? Don _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 10:19:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784FD2D047C for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55E72D0324 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm1 with SMTP id jm1so6866056bkc.14 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:09:05 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=DCOY5wzfkDa5nEy8fvsrVW8wUwIBh5t5WxNcakQw83c=; b=zqEACCQo1P1F0w8gD868cB1HBTIviJ75XYB18FH8HM9OBo2z7GY9UjhQ90Hk9wSByA XyZGlFw74F3NfseqWvby4NDnHLTNwsZa96nLodw+YiHkMfgTp5HYTjD6zEUW9C1wyXHu BWrh0bxXAyHW/LR+ijrs7xfW/ubuXnl8hPcCXDg9yzXL4T1qNtwJA/Hy8kxjNQwlUYa/ 0lEpLA8ATuCdPgFIrCSpXTBHfUvMyiSrXaYck1DVLcp1eCFfGkdQsRnaDJAzbiYCPA/u 3sek7xg6nPBN9vh2qOvHKj0WhlBo3nSCwce412NWOo+A0A02O5xV7Fs+4PlziXi6QOSZ wR1w== Received: by 10.205.126.131 with SMTP id gw3mr1331bkc.137.1349276945784; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([109.46.123.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n5sm3846800bkv.14.2012.10.03.08.09.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:09:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:09:02 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2heASpO5WBU2lVQw2NtYgm20s6XwAAN8yQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Carrillo Rod Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Replace them with ARP bolts if possible. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von marty sukey Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2012 15:59 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Carrillo Rod Bolts Rod bolt question for you experts. I latched onto a used set of Carrillo rods for my next spitfire engine. I figured I would get them crack tested and size checked and be on my way. That was until I checked on the tightening requirements. According to Carrillo you need to measure the rod bolts when new and then re-measure them after each disassembly to make sure they have not been overstretched. I am lacking that original length measurement. I would just replace them all for good measure but I was quoted a price of $56 per bolt. That being said I would prefer to use the original bolts IF they are still good. Anybody have any alternative methods of determining if these rod bolts have not been over stretched? The bolts are SPS CARR S4's Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 10:22:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D0C2D0753 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8618B2C0B88 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:19:36 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=TlSh_CGqijYA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=cL0n6Y7kDNwTL4JNc18A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QOzXe4qqEoMpWJJF:21 a=f6-7AvQ3Dyon1ohb:21 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:53181] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FF/13-17584-0485C605; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:22:40 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'marty sukey'" , References: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:22:50 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac2heDa7/0VM49rQQyaLwmR2GC/LKwAAcyUg Subject: Re: [Fot] Carrillo Rod Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Marty, I was looking this up in my docs. I knew I had the info somewhere. First off, the original length of the bolts when new isn't what they're talking about. Those bolts are reusable AND as you found out SUPER expensive. They are referring to the delta between the "0" torque length and the measured length as you tighten them. There is a special tool to do this with which I used the first few builds. What I did was document what the torque was when I achieved that level of stretch. I have the same rods you do. It worked out that 38 to 39 Ft lbs yielded a .007" stretch which is what you want. The condition of this is that you use the ARP moly lube on the threads. Do not do this with dry threads. Hope this helps-sorry for the delay. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:59 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Carrillo Rod Bolts Rod bolt question for you experts. I latched onto a used set of Carrillo rods for my next spitfire engine. I figured I would get them crack tested and size checked and be on my way. That was until I checked on the tightening requirements. According to Carrillo you need to measure the rod bolts when new and then re-measure them after each disassembly to make sure they have not been overstretched. I am lacking that original length measurement. I would just replace them all for good measure but I was quoted a price of $56 per bolt. That being said I would prefer to use the original bolts IF they are still good. Anybody have any alternative methods of determining if these rod bolts have not been over stretched? The bolts are SPS CARR S4's Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 11:11:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111E22D068E for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp010.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp010.mac.com [17.158.236.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3767C2D0385 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.26] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp010.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MBB00J33QN8U940@nk11p04mm-asmtp010.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:49:58 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-03_02:2012-10-03,2012-10-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210030161 From: Scott Janzen Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:49:56 -0400 References: To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Carrillo Rod Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I over-streched a couple of these once by using ARP lube, which is much slicker than the lube Carillo recommends. Make sure you use the right stuff - I think it's a moly Loctite product, which I found at Pep Boys, though Carrillo now sells their own brand. My experience is that if they have been over-stretched, when you tighten them to the correct torque they will stretch more than indicated, or conversely if you tighten to the correct stretch it won't take enough torque. They are dinky little bolts and the required torque is quite low. So, if you tighten to 215 inch-pounds and they stretch as indicated, they should still be good. Ridiculously expensive, too! I wonder if you couldn't replace them with an ARP product for less? On Oct 3, 2012, at 9:58 AM, marty sukey wrote: Rod bolt question for you experts. I latched onto a used set of Carrillo rods for my next spitfire engine. I figured I would get them crack tested and size checked and be on my way. That was until I checked on the tightening requirements. According to Carrillo you need to measure the rod bolts when new and then re-measure them after each disassembly to make sure they have not been overstretched. I am lacking that original length measurement. I would just replace them all for good measure but I was quoted a price of $56 per bolt. That being said I would prefer to use the original bolts IF they are still good. Anybody have any alternative methods of determining if these rod bolts have not been over stretched? The bolts are SPS CARR S4's Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 11:12:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573A22D078A for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2872D0385 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6d891k0020cQ2SLA3fqds7; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:50:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6fpy1k00f4L5TyG8WfqcsM; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:50:37 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: FOT List Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:50:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting process in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all through the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid doesn't engage. So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the solenoid will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch the voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage measured at 12.75)? I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the other? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 11:13:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BA32D079F for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com [17.158.236.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2A92D06EB for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.26] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MBB005TCRDVTE70@nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:05:56 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-03_02:2012-10-03,2012-10-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210030167 From: Scott Janzen Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:05:54 -0400 To: fot References: <82EDD5B7-5761-4CFD-B024-16C987A8BC53@me.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Many good responses and things to check out - will report back when a conclusion is reached. In the meantime, putting a replacement diff in the GT6 for Watkins Glen next weekend. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 11:48:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2452D0682 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B412D0373 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so22214895ied.14 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=V8dJrs2J5XDglT79mRPGCEFqzNpInpBUWHAidtzGlt8=; b=ylUeXgOM1lcMLgtP9jN8GDFQRI6NCUiN5jUGgWOAVNSmdp80idd7fAxu0rkaw2c5UW RV18Hf1ZErAsBHWOgBthObYCU+OYSHA0enALV9YzRQ+zhbkYju+Zh2iKvkL0bNixi6Ec niGu6z3PHKgo79NHdw5a9qmROaCsLd+QBJI/MJN7V3AH4GA+DOnRNcV5aCUUaDNOlGvr mZdsEtLfeRN68nA7lQLStWQtoA+bIDB6kes8iG6p6MUK53q2Og278FnUg1+aPCX0MQaO RpdNNxqvUw2cIVAGLw7lQl0YdFyZ4zNhx5Whg+W/1Up85K1VA4FL+fT41KH6kG7LoCAo Zlmg== Received: by 10.50.36.193 with SMTP id s1mr2506838igj.15.1349282431347; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.6.197 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:39:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Marshall Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:39:51 -0400 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 cam ID Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to Michael Porter, I have identified the TR3 mystery cam. It was done by American Cam Grinding in LA back in the early 80s. According to the guy I talked to at their shop, it was a popular hot street grind "back in the day" and is still pretty popular now. I happen to have the engine for my TR3 in the shop waiting to be reassembled, so this will probably go into that one. When I took it out of the box it was wrapped in a LA racing sheet from 1982, so that's how long it's been sitting around waiting for a home. Don _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 13:43:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504772D0747 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.223]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F3F842D063D for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm18.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2012 18:06:26 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.195] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2012 18:06:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2012 18:06:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1349287585; bh=CPiOljNSqCLA3++8UmTWMfhPdagUE/0lzLt/AsK/GD0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=L/EkqBLd9aDhX1o/fLXKH3jJcrpDwiSGwosapepqNHPt2TuNczPve5+Abgx5WjjOmNGoTiFJKt8JeDZJgRppduaZDgFBJMxT+tpj0MPHu9jndPdRr+o04o5ZOQMkLIYsBx5TOLIVX6dar+PWbkYY5L+oRDjSear9bpOBFAApA/E= QGr_M5sQ6LqEIZgmAW9qPBbLK6Jet.c1GIBmmkG0zZWS5hqqSpjObfFXlow4 qEoXiksEkGpofaFsSU5A8zUQ92Z_HtjsbGQrYBveQ_qiWJng97Nm7Um9Suyt PfB0kskAUXE_xuLnvP8JJXs9CKYJIe6NOT5MOftSc0O3SCBYhGE.yiZYNIBQ W3j4z3xsXUZ8sNZ5ROZOoFwPlZMlxGCDsHjvr9DLrdY_r2PzOMduSTVOXe7x xH510pVKEbxNm7ZyOJlQ_5akPyiQ0rfcmY6TvRWe7qYLUnFzkAElA1t2yrCS 2XGR2QKg8jCxAhBZgjeSpUuzQOsEYl2I.NmScTh47PC.cI7SWNpsS8kKshpB 1UmuoS9O6ySql0fZBvKClcMLE2tPUQ0IjTaTF1f8nAeKciqcDiSS33qbRgCC JHlpO07O4NPDwdV17ETjOLd0tSWkyztLxmJYZVeWUbzQBURZyHw6i Received: from [192.168.1.148] (tarch@69.15.8.12 with plain) by smtp206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Oct 2012 11:06:25 -0700 PDT References: <331AEE4B-9553-4E86-95BD-F7F8471FFC19@comcast.net> From: Richard Taylor Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:06:23 -0400 To: Bud Rolofson Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A high impedance 3rd/4th gear selector switch? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting process > in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all through > the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with > purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on > and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works > up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid > doesn't engage. > > So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the solenoid > will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. > Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the > circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD > and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup > to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the > solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. > > With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch the > voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the > solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. > > What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery > (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage measured > at 12.75)? > > I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the > other? > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 14:00:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394312D06C4 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FCA2D03C5 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:17:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6gBe1k00A0lTkoCA3iLF29; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:20:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6iLD1k00b4L5TyG8QiLE8x; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:20:14 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: Yahoo Thompson , FOT List Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:20:13 -0600 References: <331AEE4B-9553-4E86-95BD-F7F8471FFC19@comcast.net> <58EE04CF-45E1-400B-A1BE-A8FD818D8BF8@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes there's a relay and it clicks when the OD selector switch is thrown. It passes all the voltage tests for the brown, the white, the yellow purple wires. I get voltage through it to the yellow purple wire right to the solenoid. I suspected it too since it was the last thing I did to the OD circuit but that was over a year ago and it worked up until now. Bud Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Yahoo wrote: > Isn't there a relay between the column and the solenoid? > > Ty > > Sent from my iPhone > > '63 Triumph TR4 DP Racecar > '62 Triumph TR4 RestoMod (Project) > ++++ > > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > >> The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting >> process >> in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all >> through >> the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with >> purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on >> and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works >> up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid >> doesn't engage. >> >> So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the >> solenoid >> will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. >> Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the >> circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD >> and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup >> to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the >> solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. >> >> With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch >> the >> voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the >> solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. >> >> What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery >> (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage >> measured >> at 12.75)? >> >> I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the >> other? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 14:38:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813572D04E2 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73C02D0368 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A8ADFB200116; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:49:17 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Bud Rolofson'" , "'FOT List'" References: <331AEE4B-9553-4E86-95BD-F7F8471FFC19@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:49:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2hisz4/WYAVoY4Skqob5YyW7ejlgAC0+Ow Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like a grounding problem. Did you measure the voltage at the solenoid between the bullet connector and the ground of the battery? I would also try running a ground wire direct from the battery to the "case" or ground of the solenoid and trying that. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:51 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] A type overdrive problem The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting process in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all through the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid doesn't engage. So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the solenoid will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch the voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage measured at 12.75)? I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the other? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 14:41:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5907F2D06B9 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A323C2D0365 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A8ACFB200116; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:49:16 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'marty sukey'" , "'FOT'" References: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:49:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2hd807Xos30dhdR7mqK+K4f+kxxgAHwTNQ Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] Carrillo Rod Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I recently installed Carrillo rods in the TR4 engine. The bolts are 3/8 inch SPS CARR S6's and are marked "S6-S-A13". The free length was 1.850 and a stretch of 0.007 inch required 50 FT-LB of torque. I used the Loctite anti-Seize compound supplied by Carrillo. I would think Carrillo could give you the length of the new S4 (1/4 inch) bolt. If your bolts are within a couple of thousandths of that dimension you would be okay. If they are beyond the 0.007 stretch then they have been over torqued beyond their yield point and would have to be replaced. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:59 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Carrillo Rod Bolts Rod bolt question for you experts. I latched onto a used set of Carrillo rods for my next spitfire engine. I figured I would get them crack tested and size checked and be on my way. That was until I checked on the tightening requirements. According to Carrillo you need to measure the rod bolts when new and then re-measure them after each disassembly to make sure they have not been overstretched. I am lacking that original length measurement. I would just replace them all for good measure but I was quoted a price of $56 per bolt. That being said I would prefer to use the original bolts IF they are still good. Anybody have any alternative methods of determining if these rod bolts have not been over stretched? The bolts are SPS CARR S4's Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 14:41:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672C42D0847 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092822D0502 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6fB11k0030FhH24A7iwFCZ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:56:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6iwD1k00N4L5TyG8UiwE9j; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:56:15 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: Tim Murphy Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:56:13 -0600 References: <331AEE4B-9553-4E86-95BD-F7F8471FFC19@comcast.net> <000101cda197$c9ff7c70$5dfe7550$@com> Cc: 'FOT List' Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes I tested it and got continuity from the solenoid body to the transmission and to the body. As far as I can tell the solenoid grounds itself with the bolts used to attach it to it's bracket on the OD. I'll try to ground it at known working ground locations like the battery itself. Thanks Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 3, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Sounds like a grounding problem. Did you measure the voltage at the > solenoid between the bullet connector and the ground of the > battery? I > would also try running a ground wire direct from the battery to the > "case" > or ground of the solenoid and trying that. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bud Rolofson > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:51 AM > To: FOT List > Subject: [Fot] A type overdrive problem > > The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting process > in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all through > the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with > purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on > and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works > up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid > doesn't engage. > > So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the solenoid > will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. > Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the > circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD > and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup > to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the > solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. > > With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch the > voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the > solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. > > What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery > (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage measured > at 12.75)? > > I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the > other? > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 14:45:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781862D06F0 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEF82D05C6 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:03:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcqt2 with SMTP id t2so7704249qcq.14 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to:x-gm-message-state; bh=J5OdWSfTphf+IMcn6fxLDMWTFxzHY6WH0OGSB5LpdMw=; b=WJjSTvStOd169l1laB9P0IgYvOa4K2oerv0YDS9ccWBZSt9HFWB2rVY5iidY9HpNto FUu9k587zh3xthLRyGoShLuytekYuiyiRKahRXhwAOlNpw+YExXGv1cgwEXSPNeVB0px cyPZKIQ8EOr0/4252A1yUBKBiWdDSzy10szogCl2EcoCXltcwUm88tuFgNjf1IS6p3+l D3hyaVwAx6bZ7kXNvo+nN27H5f3p+izJuqeMX/mzuRSmjljx3AVtypjnY11bVDFGKm3L 2WpAqXhSRYAXVHGOqgPIbobsyhU+YPN38L3PTkocUC7SMQWyTIQ2fMSSnD/EuWLU30cN J2DA== Received: by 10.49.48.43 with SMTP id i11mr888651qen.10.1349291184196; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (181.sub-75-194-1.myvzw.com. [75.194.1.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r16sm5024123qae.21.2012.10.03.12.06.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:06:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <331AEE4B-9553-4E86-95BD-F7F8471FFC19@comcast.net> From: Bob Bownes - Seiri Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:01:15 -0400 To: Bud Rolofson Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It could be a high resistance path in the wiring harness. You would get 12v but not enough current to throw the solenoid. Check the voltage with the solenoid on and off. On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting process > in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all through > the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with > purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on > and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works > up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid > doesn't engage. > > So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the solenoid > will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. > Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the > circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD > and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup > to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the > solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. > > With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch the > voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the > solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. > > What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery > (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage measured > at 12.75)? > > I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the > other? > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 14:50:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9A92D0BDA for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1ADB2D05CE for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6hXn1k0040S2fkCACjGwUx; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:16:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6jGv1k0034L5TyG8VjGvlZ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:16:56 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: Bob Bownes - Seiri Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:16:55 -0600 References: <331AEE4B-9553-4E86-95BD-F7F8471FFC19@comcast.net> <0029FB40-5E63-44AF-A2B0-26C559C24D47@seiri.com> Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net When I test at the wire soldered to the solenoid (with the plastic cap removed so I can get to it) that is when it is "clogged up" and the meter reads in the hundredths of volts not 12.75. Others have said I have amps issue not a voltage issue and the relay will do that if the contacts get burnt. That may be the source of the high resistance. Can I test the relay by running a lead from the brown wire directly to the yellow purple at the relay and bypass the relay without messing something up? Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Bob Bownes - Seiri wrote: > It could be a high resistance path in the wiring harness. You would > get 12v but not enough current to throw the solenoid. Check the > voltage with the solenoid on and off. > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bud Rolofson > wrote: > >> The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting >> process >> in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all >> through >> the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with >> purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on >> and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works >> up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid >> doesn't engage. >> >> So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the >> solenoid >> will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. >> Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the >> circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD >> and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup >> to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the >> solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. >> >> With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch >> the >> voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the >> solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. >> >> What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery >> (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage >> measured >> at 12.75)? >> >> I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the >> other? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 17:45:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44362D0851 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A58A2D03C0 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 16:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A892663C01F2; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:13:38 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Bud Rolofson'" , "'Bob Bownes - Seiri'" References: <331AEE4B-9553-4E86-95BD-F7F8471FFC19@comcast.net> <0029FB40-5E63-44AF-A2B0-26C559C24D47@seiri.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:13:36 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2hqq1xkqTi5Q26Qy+rUl+N9TP9KwAB2yqA Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: EOGz IOKV KSpa K+Cb M3GP VaDt XlqY Xz94 Z8Lb b28q cI3D fgC4 gF4q hMFH hzj5 iIwU; 3; YgBvAHcAbgBlAHMAQABzAGUAaQByAGkALgBjAG8AbQA7AGYAbwB0AEAAYQB1AHQAbwB4AC4AdABlAGEAbQAuAG4AZQB0ADsAbABlAHYAaQBsAGUAdgBpAEAAYwBvAG0AYwBhAHMAdAAuAG4AZQB0AA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {04616A07-EB55-49CA-BCA5-8ABC072908F0}; dABpAG0AbQB1AHIAcABoAEAAZgBhAHMAdABiAHkAdABlAHMALgBjAG8AbQA=; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:12:49 GMT; UgBFADoAIABbAEYAbwB0AF0AIABBACAAdAB5AHAAZQAgAG8AdgBlAHIAZAByAGkAdgBlACAAcAByAG8AYgBsAGUAbQA= x-cr-puzzleid: {04616A07-EB55-49CA-BCA5-8ABC072908F0} Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Cc: 'FOT List' Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm assuming that when you tested the solenoid on a separate battery you were putting the 12 volts to the bullet connector and the ground or negative battery terminal to the case of the solenoid. That being the case, the bullet connector to the soldered connection on the solenoid appears to be good. Using alligator clips, connect the positive or red lead of the voltmeter to the bullet connector on the solenoid wire and the negative or black lead of the voltmeter to the negative terminal of the battery (Ground). Now flip the OD switch to "ON". If there is a low voltage at the solenoid it is due to high resistance, such as bad contacts in the relay, between the solenoid and the positive terminal of the battery. The voltage is being dropped across the high resistance with very little current and you are getting low voltage at the solenoid. If when you flip the OD switch to "ON" and get 12 volts at the solenoid but it does not "pick up" or energize, you have an open ground circuit between the solenoid and the negative battery terminal and no current flowing the solenoid. Seeing as how you have tried 2 different solenoids it would seem unlikely to have 2 with intermittent ground contact inside the solenoid itself. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 2:17 PM To: Bob Bownes - Seiri Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem When I test at the wire soldered to the solenoid (with the plastic cap removed so I can get to it) that is when it is "clogged up" and the meter reads in the hundredths of volts not 12.75. Others have said I have amps issue not a voltage issue and the relay will do that if the contacts get burnt. That may be the source of the high resistance. Can I test the relay by running a lead from the brown wire directly to the yellow purple at the relay and bypass the relay without messing something up? Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Bob Bownes - Seiri wrote: > It could be a high resistance path in the wiring harness. You would > get 12v but not enough current to throw the solenoid. Check the > voltage with the solenoid on and off. > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bud Rolofson > wrote: > >> The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting >> process >> in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all >> through >> the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with >> purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on >> and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works >> up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid >> doesn't engage. >> >> So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the >> solenoid >> will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. >> Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the >> circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD >> and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup >> to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the >> solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. >> >> With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch >> the >> voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the >> solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. >> >> What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery >> (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage >> measured >> at 12.75)? >> >> I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the >> other? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 3 22:45:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36A92D0C4B for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 22:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FB82D0702 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 21:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6o161k05r1afHeLA1rmh18; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 03:46:41 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6rmd1k00M3UuT0T8drmh3o; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 03:46:41 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 21:36:34 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac2h4XPFVDUZh3FhRDyPLB35CcuVkA== Subject: [Fot] Unusable tr4 cylinder head wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings FoT As the subject line suggests I'm looking for an unserviceable hi port tr4 head. Were going to be doing some flow bench work in the coming months and would like to cut some cross sections of the ports for development purposes. Of coarse we will share the data we gather from the flowbench. Thanks for any leads, jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 4 08:11:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2602D04DC for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 08:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: autox.team.net mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner@autox.team.net To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 05:11:58 -0600 Errors-To: mailman-bounces@autox.team.net This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your autox.team.net mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. 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Passwords for fot-archive@autox.team.net: List Password // URL ---- -------- fot@autox.team.net isexfaro http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive%40autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 4 09:35:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEE62D0A96 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8604B2D0174 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6zov1k0090vp7WLA111yhb; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:01:58 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 711u1k00P3UuT0T8R11yoJ; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:01:58 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'Spitfire Racing'" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:52:11 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac2h4XPFVDUZh3FhRDyPLB35CcuVkAALssTAAAegALA= Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusable tr4 cylinder head wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Russ but I'll do my own flow bench work. If we didn't reinvent the wheel we would all still be running around with wooden spokes. jim g -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing [mailto:spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 3:17 AM To: 'Jim Gray' Subject: RE: [Fot] Unusable tr4 cylinder head wanted Jim, I believe there were a few different castings and among them was a variation in thicknesses. I ran into this on Spitfire heads also. I had done what you are suggesting and had what I thought was accurate information on how I could mill and port the head. I ruined a head right off the bat due to a casting variation. I found there wasn't a lot of consistency through production runs. You might want to check with Tony Drews. I believe he and Jack had done all this and come up with the hot ticket. No point trying to reinvent the wheel if it's already done. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:37 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Unusable tr4 cylinder head wanted Greetings FoT As the subject line suggests I'm looking for an unserviceable hi port tr4 head. Were going to be doing some flow bench work in the coming months and would like to cut some cross sections of the ports for development purposes. Of coarse we will share the data we gather from the flowbench. Thanks for any leads, jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 4 10:46:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2777E2D0A29 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FD62D0A46 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:10:08 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RhbVvZraoY+WEEDe1+lR16eRSXvVbnXCqk/DACIJZpScJ0XPsM8fsUc4tw2FYDTP; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.36] (helo=elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TJn6t-0002Tk-2m; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 11:13:11 -0400 Received: from 190.236.211.136 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:13:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:13:11 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: CHIP COLLINGWOOD To: Basil.External@qimonda.com, Basil.External@infineon.com, JFThomas@GerdauAmeriSteel.com, franklin.bell@thalhimer.com, CivilWarRoomatAV@aol.com, schroeder6th@msn.com, fot@autox.team.net, fulcrum@fulcrumsuspensions.com.au, ggtyler@yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXXOuT7qr: Permission denied _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 4 16:20:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFD02D0A72 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s10.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s10.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4434E2D0AA8 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL401-EAS40 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:56:26 -0700 From: Rich Rock Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:56:57 -0400 To: "fot@autox.team.net" FILETIME=[B84DA480:01CDA272] Subject: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, Getting ready to install a two-probe EGT gauge in a TR4. The easy way is to put probes in header tubes one and four. Any reason not to use those cylinders? Like, do two and three typically run a little leaner, maybe? Intake system is H6 SU's on a long-branch (TR4A) intake. Thanks! Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 4 16:24:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407C92D0AE2 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:24:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B0D2D0A73 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A5A73277024A; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 15:46:31 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Jim Gray'" , References: <20121004044655.E0D892C0C87@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 15:46:28 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac2h4XPFVDUZh3FhRDyPLB35CcuVkAAj0yyg Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] Unusable tr4 cylinder head wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I believe we have a head that you could use. It is cracked and has about .200 or more milled off of it by the previous owner. I'd have to check the numbers on the head to make sure it is what you are looking for and could send a photo also. We are in Wisconsin so the shipping charge might be a bit high. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:37 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Unusable tr4 cylinder head wanted Greetings FoT As the subject line suggests I'm looking for an unserviceable hi port tr4 head. Were going to be doing some flow bench work in the coming months and would like to cut some cross sections of the ports for development purposes. Of coarse we will share the data we gather from the flowbench. Thanks for any leads, jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 4 18:30:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5432A2D0B00 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:30:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA212D0A72 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.254.1.225] (128.sub-174-252-104.myvzw.com [174.252.104.128]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q94Mkq9u020125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:46:55 -0400 References: From: John Hasty Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:46:51 -0400 To: Rich Rock a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Qy1lxRKCeeI2sCqUoI+4Xw==:17 a=Zk3OmFfbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=vpN_IA3hBgr5_BYvfxYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=x46t9oslO7cA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=Qy1lxRKCeeI2sCqUoI+4Xw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We use 2&3 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > Amici, > > Getting ready to install a two-probe EGT gauge in a TR4. The easy way is to > put probes in header tubes one and four. Any reason not to use those > cylinders? Like, do two and three typically run a little leaner, maybe? > > Intake system is H6 SU's on a long-branch (TR4A) intake. > > Thanks! > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 4 23:11:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCADB2D02F3 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C6A82D08AA for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 21:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11587 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2012 03:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2012 03:16:00 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=65228 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TJyOM-0006rv-U0; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 21:15:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:15:59 -0500 To: John Hasty ,Rich Rock From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use 1 and 4 but don't have a solid reason why that would be better or worse than 2 & 3. 4's the one that usually has problems if one of the cylinders is going to have a problem, I suppose. Tony At 05:46 PM 10/4/2012, John Hasty wrote: >We use 2&3 > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > > > Amici, > > > > Getting ready to install a two-probe EGT gauge in a TR4. The easy way is >to > > put probes in header tubes one and four. Any reason not to use those > > cylinders? Like, do two and three typically run a little leaner, maybe? > > > > Intake system is H6 SU's on a long-branch (TR4A) intake. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 4 23:25:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F172D0B51 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s37.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s37.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576C42D08AA for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 21:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W56 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s37.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Oct 2012 20:35:12 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: , Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 03:35:12 +0000 References: , FILETIME=[6D694D10:01CDA2AA] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net were it me I'd use numbers 1 and 3. Three is the problem area. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty@gdhs.com > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:46:51 -0400 > To: rikrock@live.com > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? > > We use 2&3 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > > > Amici, > > > > Getting ready to install a two-probe EGT gauge in a TR4. The easy way is > to > > put probes in header tubes one and four. Any reason not to use those > > cylinders? Like, do two and three typically run a little leaner, maybe? > > > > Intake system is H6 SU's on a long-branch (TR4A) intake. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Rich Rock > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 5 00:34:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955B22D0A7E for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 00:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C6C2D0960 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 22:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7GWn1k0031vN32cACH2EGT; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 05:02:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([24.22.75.60]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7H2C1k00B1J37AG8iH2DDx; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 05:02:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:02:11 -0700 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I put them in 1 and 4 on the Spit. Worked fine on the chassis dyno where they have fans blowing all over the place to keep stuff cool. On the track, the 1 reads 150-200 degrees colder than 4 because of the airflow through the radiator and under the hood, etc making the results useless for making adjustments. I'd suggest 2 & 3, but haven't tried it. I took off the # 1 probe and am adding an o2 sensor instead. Haven't got that done yet either. On 10/4/2012 3:46 PM, John Hasty wrote: > We use 2&3 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > >> Amici, >> >> Getting ready to install a two-probe EGT gauge in a TR4. The easy way is > to >> put probes in header tubes one and four. Any reason not to use those >> cylinders? Like, do two and three typically run a little leaner, maybe? >> >> Intake system is H6 SU's on a long-branch (TR4A) intake. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Rich Rock >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 5 10:11:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888512C0BA5 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 10:11:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFB22D09CD for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:17:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7R8T1k0070vp7WLACSLu9w; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:20:54 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7SFu1k0032xZMJ48RSFuCy; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:15:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:15:54 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Kas, Why is # 3 a problem. This past weekend I blew a head gasket at # 3. I know because with all the plugs out and spinning it with the starter it blows water out of # 3. I suspect the damage was done earlier in the season. We had three races in a row that ambient temps were over 100. I either warped the head or have a partially collapsed water jacket. If # 3 is subject to more heat then can it be helped or fixed all together? Last month there was a thread on cleaning up water passages which I plan to follow this winter. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, rikrock@live.com Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:35:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? were it me I'd use numbers 1 and 3. B Three is the problem area. Never be beaten by equipment B > From: jhhasty@gdhs.com > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:46:51 -0400 > To: rikrock@live.com > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? > > We use 2&3 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > > > Amici, > > > > Getting ready to install a two-probe EGT gauge in a TR4. B The easy way is > to > > put probes in header tubes one and four. B Any reason not to use those > > cylinders? B Like, do two and three typically run a little leaner, maybe? > > > > Intake system B is H6 SU's on a long-branch (TR4A) intake. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Rich Rock > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 5 11:40:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003512D0A08 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s5.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s5.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631FF2D0911 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:30:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W13 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s5.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:21:03 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:21:03 +0000 References: , <1753957075.700271.1349446554002.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FILETIME=[08B8E610:01CDA30D] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net After all my inspections and deliberating and worrying and looking I never found a reason, but if I had a problem it would genrally be number three. Never be beaten by equipment Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:15:54 +0000 From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: kaskas@cox.net CC: fot@autox.team.net; jhhasty@gdhs.com; rikrock@live.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Kas, Why is # 3 a problem. This past weekend I blew a head gasket at # 3. I know because with all the plugs out and spinning it with the starter it blows water out of # 3. I suspect the damage was done earlier in the season. We had three races in a row that ambient temps were over 100. I either warped the head or have a partially collapsed water jacket. If # 3 is subject to more heat then can it be helped or fixed all together? Last month there was a thread on cleaning up water passages which I plan to follow this winter. jim g From: "Kas Kastner" To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, rikrock@live.com Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:35:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? were it me I'd use numbers 1 and 3. Three is the problem area. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty@gdhs.com > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:46:51 -0400 > To: rikrock@live.com > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? > > We use 2&3 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > > > Amici, > > > > Getting ready to install a two-probe EGT gauge in a TR4. The easy way is > to > > put probes in header tubes one and four. Any reason not to use those > > cylinders? Like, do two and three typically run a little leaner, maybe? > > > > Intake system is H6 SU's on a long-branch (TR4A) intake. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Rich Rock > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 5 14:56:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6132C0A21 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:56:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s14.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s14.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E0F2C0453 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL401-EAS204 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s14.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:43:54 -0700 From: Rich Rock Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:43:51 -0400 To: Kas Kastner , "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" FILETIME=[C0F59F60:01CDA331] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone for all the info! Who's going to the VRG event at Watkins Glen next weekend? Rich Rock ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner Sent: 10/5/2012 11:21 AM To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net Cc: fot; jhhasty@gdhs.com; rikrock@live.com Subject: RE: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? After all my inspections and deliberating and worrying and looking I never found a reason, but if I had a problem it would genrally be number three. Never be beaten by equipment Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:15:54 +0000 From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: kaskas@cox.net CC: fot@autox.team.net; jhhasty@gdhs.com; rikrock@live.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? Kas, Why is # 3 a problem. This past weekend I blew a head gasket at # 3. I know because with all the plugs out and spinning it with the starter it blows water out of # 3. I suspect the damage was done earlier in the season. We had three races in a row that ambient temps were over 100. I either warped the head or have a partially collapsed water jacket. If # 3 is subject to more heat then can it be helped or fixed all together? Last month there was a thread on cleaning up water passages which I plan to follow this winter. jim g From: "Kas Kastner" To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, rikrock@live.com Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:35:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? were it me I'd use numbers 1 and 3. Three is the problem area. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty@gdhs.com > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:46:51 -0400 > To: rikrock@live.com > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 EGT ? > > We use 2&3 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > > > Amici, > > > > Getting ready to install a two-probe EGT gauge in a TR4. The easy way is > to > > put probes in header tubes one and four. Any reason not to use those > > cylinders? Like, do two and three typically run a little leaner, maybe? > > > > Intake system is H6 SU's on a long-branch (TR4A) intake. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Rich Rock > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 5 21:13:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EFF2D0CAB for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 21:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09A72C0D34 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 19:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bradakis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EBF142E07B; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 20:01:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 20:01:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] List availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The trusty old Cisco DSL modem that has served Team.Net well for many years is failing. I'm working on replacing it with a brand new Actiontec unit. It is not going well. There are some issues with the new modem that need to be resolved. So over the next day or so Team.Net may be off the air for a few minutes, hopefully no more than half an hour at a time as I apply the digital equivalent of a BFH to the hardware. I appreciate your patience. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 6 07:37:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2DE2D09FF for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 07:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.130]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BE342D0AC5 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 06:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2012 12:33:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.172] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2012 12:33:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2012 12:33:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 28861 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2012 12:33:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1349526831; bh=NDKe7GIuR7fdQ+ZOH1vBIQkHhZuvkoqt45Wf5gAMhyk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3rtl4hfk/Gjmg+a2MBdU8154FrDEEP0QiMBxaexhsFANCK66HmYuAjLK1mmay+NFWWfrOfWRMsi1aFiZgGGSLIAS9EA23MYfLdXbLMNrClIP51FOugTlQv0MUr20a5hinaizQrYCV1uwVaGvPrHmIUhX8DKt9JrCFpAbmhbpJsY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dwgFAykL36WMLZY0+DNpi9iX/csskLuMFg+Rmg2l+QfGUUSlpFk71LQTUizWEB9luCQ5suT6DXD6DPMr4PbDmYB07MjJtkql1IP+KAfpRyRWcroh7FIEv8WxT0XkMEztc/iprEeus0YKtiixd87PoLzt+R4C+aXr+fifZIZHBjc=; 39pnsKhUTtBLO5DzryBIovS4.QCr5ik7pYBIRiVgvC6LesIlhGvA4O33Mg.P 3vpFWWkVPgsl0ivTMFGMM_shoozpoNeBnbT_ZK2nEI8QWX32O35eBEowN45m x6_aHtmPY_RWvoVOZw7Ru0A3eXbXCRBGkAo6jgAZWYcCL2ppmfX9j.QCmnUF QFDw5ODyHKaOVK12UA21uGNVzdoRxjuxXHYWLm4tyfml_fJ2kVTC.OHj7cjl RttCAoi3CK6DAjg_f4SYx9Idz08L5kRsjISvEWdP42zpLL6WoMcM0.XDZFIb nMqoZsNyzKgLThQghGsuGnSzIvoU.BsQYMoxWOJ4OffWu4DDuCp0QsW.PmcQ Hu7IviJ8q2E_aeC5kGWu_jaVNHcA1u7H9bK5EaDSGUjOTeWncbvZt7KrU.n1 .xPeykjOrSchKcBKyL3x4XpuBqEIFhdWV42DjCJmgaFhwekm8zVxWtFTEZqM xwfPKfvXhwY3lnQ35ihDnMj9VNlFxQ0NATuCA79OfKQKTJiD6Htt.20fKQ56 TYRTbeyomNcDssBpJrb4Grj_Gc7nuTKcrgtyehKcG_1s7_zQ5wnt8VUyncf_ 5wKKyq1Q6u_Pc60sJdJhTjRDuaCL5la4uAJuBxHviQ.PzBJzpR_Er4UL0X86 tvqGzmnUVlgaiWTOsVTyNDNLzb4BBNQq3Of.J2io- Received: from [66.242.210.8] by web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 05:33:51 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Suhre To: fot@autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Fot] List availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, If the BFH doesn't do it use my favorite, THE HOT WRENCH. Ken Suhre --- On Fri, 10/5/12, Mark J Bradakis wrote: From: Mark J Bradakis Subject: [Fot] List availability To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 9:01 PM The trusty old Cisco DSL modem that has served Team.Net well for many years is failing. I'm working on replacing it with a brand new Actiontec unit. It is not going well. There are some issues with the new modem that need to be resolved. So over the next day or so Team.Net may be off the air for a few minutes, hopefully no more than half an hour at a time as I apply the digital equivalent of a BFH to the hardware. I appreciate your patience. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 6 10:27:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6682D094C for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1417B2D09D6 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q96FQTNm027895; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:26:29 -0400 Received: from core-mtd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.193]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9E386E00008E; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:26:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:26:29 -0400 (EDT) To: kenandtweety@yahoo.com, fot@autox.team.net, mark@bradakis.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1349537189; bh=6uO/bRexQGbrI6skhWIJ6DQ1EqobP7E8MZtourQvevE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UeDmJnDZYyeqXC0bKdQSC9DKlGi+fbADWAjAyNo19wxLRDUIwMCjhRrfku1XWCmPV /wkhhQu8ZicSagpSSNrF1S9J8vxIvINBVSXTOXj359eAyz30xhUges/Sras+yEcjpd 3CSs92ot1Q3woqG+h3E4vvdvHkDFI97ir8cRE/Hw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c750704da55bdc Subject: Re: [Fot] List availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 10/06/2012 8:41:52 AM Central Daylight Time, kenandtweety@yahoo.com writes: > Mark, > If the BFH doesn't do it use my favorite, THE HOT WRENCH. > Ken... How would using a hot wench help? I guess it wouldn't hurt. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 6 15:24:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D813B2D0A7E for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:24:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.infomaniak.ch (smtp3.infomaniak.ch [84.16.68.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90E82D0969 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pc11 ([213.55.176.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp3.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q96KPTvZ000869; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 22:25:30 +0200 From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Larry Young'" , "'FOT'" References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 22:25:27 +0200 Thread-Index: AQHumZ4dhzEcu17/Jbfgw2B3g15Qypdqx0YA Content-Language: fr-ch Cc: 'Tom Young' Subject: Re: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Dear Larry! I am back into my FOT inbox, not read since Feb this year! 10-14h per day at work, then workshop (or bed) and week ends 15-20h in the shop, so no email time, except for orders etc. Now I try to catch up. Hope you are well ! Regarding the subject of your email below (Oct 15 2011): I plugged in my Innovate LM-2 with RPM and other sensors. Works perfectly fine. Had read horrible stories about RPM, impossible to read, bouncing all he time, etc. I simply used exclusively HQ screened cable (each wire being self screened, then the whole cable is screened again ) to feed 12V to the LM2 and same cable for the sensors. With soldering, not crimps or split in. And a common negative all to bat negative via the screened cable. Such cable is expensive, like 5 per yard, but it works just perfectly, RMP is stable and accurate within 10rpm, sensors as well and the software LogWorks works fine too. Did you manage to get your Innovate stuff work with the dyno? What about camshafts ? Id' love to get yours for the TR3-4! Cheers! Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] De la part de Larry Young Envoyi : samedi 15 octobre 2011 23:59 @ : FOT Cc : Tom Young Objet : [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports? Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from Innovate Motorsports? Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to life for some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate Motorsports looked good and they could furnish everything we needed. We bought a pressure transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen sensor for AFR. These are connected through an interface "box" which goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable. We've had nothing but problems with their system. We had to return the interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks). After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings and must be reset. We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No AFR. The whole system is flaky. I am now sending the box and sensors back a second time. I think the interface box still has problems. I can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems like it shouldn't be this difficult. Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a different company you would recommend? I realize this is a little different from data acquisition for racing, since we are going direct to the computer, but thought some of you might have a suggestion. TIA, Larry Young _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac@camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 6 16:24:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F252D08F0 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.infomaniak.ch (smtp3.infomaniak.ch [84.16.68.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037B72D09A2 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:22:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pc11 ([213.55.176.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp3.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q96LPipR004519; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:25:45 +0200 From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , References: <8CECC178A8B503D-C4C-10D4@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:25:44 +0200 Thread-Index: AQHm+VaaPDGyRb/NZHEH7nOigfbho5d6HRjg Content-Language: fr-ch Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 TR4 REAR ENGINE MOUNTS NEW DESIGN IN THE WORKS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joe! Is this rear mount available finally ? Thank you for your reply! Kind regards AlexC -----Message d'origine----- De : fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] De la part de Joe Alexander Envoyi : vendredi 9 mars 2012 15:25 @ : fot@autox.team.net Objet : [Fot] TR3 TR4 REAR ENGINE MOUNTS NEW DESIGN IN THE WORKS FOT, For 20 years we have dealt with various motor mounts at the transmission. Once we replaced a motor mount at Road America with material available.....a pine 2 x 4. We are not sure if that wasnt the best one we had to that point. Sean got tired of fiddling with substandard mounts and designed his own. He will be installing for use at Road Atlanta. But I think he will have 1 or 2 more with him. It is compatible with the old mount as a direct bolt in replacement. If anyone is interested in seeing it, Sean will show and explain. It is heavy duty, but provides vibration isolation. He is doing it in SOLIDWORKS for the laser program and has constructed a mold, so he can produce more if there is a future interest. It is likely a lifetime rear mount for race or street. Any one else interested? Please let me know. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac@camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 6 17:30:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD852D0CAC for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 17:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 30B1D2D0A77 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2012 21:56:39 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2012 21:56:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2012 21:56:39 -0000 SttqGSrJdHAp00lWyXCLyIM0p9GU80duTpHu2aUJUWNmH.X07tD_YLEpLDKb gG9cV2Ss0UQkyaOH5qZIbI6qu6BRrk80KMoXBr6TUSlPNuCNSQJ1RDoii.3k ZEwYlCpTisYw3SeqK_V9HCjZqb5EK2VUa7vUnNBEUHG6lLWqUGfN7h3s3gqv MZeuR.0oDcVT0fF2JGNUL9nzw2_8Y3QeUgSRiWb_D3M6z52mqIpPftoOwZcb VapxekoeqSFd8dhTbXHnK9K4qpQ.IJN4chbQ.DfIjCYjQO80RS2nWVPY0zOB N.YCFQAvQPruiNjWZg.6kBbcdfDuGMiQ9LW27AGONxshfRgM8HGVc8fE3fNv TkIIuI1uIooz40QSACrNWlfCoA1aphoi8LeQ17jx4x_7FjkjLUCxCJmzwwhH ZPEJcOWIEcHcsStylkrt4XbT0GPxy5.am._MCEbL4GM7LiBINMtKERDKMoyF 5js9COy8tmlmDOZCH_zQSKhvFQTYZ Received: from [192.168.1.83] (cartravel@99.98.59.54 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Oct 2012 14:56:39 -0700 PDT Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:56:51 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Alexandre Camoletti References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com> <000001cda400$bb0c6780$31253680$@camoletti.ch> Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A couple of friends and I played several months with the Innovate stuff for an engine dyno. We sent it back to Innovate twice. Had lots of problems with RF interference from all sorts of sources. Was also sensitive to the USB to RS-232 conversion cable. Could never get consistent readings with it. Finally the SSI-4 box quit and we gave up rather than sending it back a third time. Some of their stuff may be OK, but our experience trying to record direct to the computer was very bad. I have still not found a cam grinder. I have been busy restoring my TR250, which is now done and looks great. Larry Young On 10/6/2012 3:25 PM, Alexandre Camoletti wrote: > Dear Larry! I am back into my FOT inbox, not read since Feb this year! > 10-14h per day at work, then workshop (or bed) and week ends 15-20h in the > shop, so no email time, except for orders etc. > Now I try to catch up. Hope you are well ! > Regarding the subject of your email below (Oct 15 2011): I plugged in my > Innovate LM-2 with RPM and other sensors. Works perfectly fine. Had read > horrible stories about RPM, impossible to read, bouncing all he time, etc. > I simply used exclusively HQ screened cable (each wire being self screened, > then the whole cable is screened again ) to feed 12V to the LM2 and same > cable for the sensors. With soldering, not crimps or split in. And a common > negative all to bat negative via the screened cable. Such cable is > expensive, like 5 per yard, but it works just perfectly, RMP is stable and > accurate within 10rpm, sensors as well and the software LogWorks works fine > too. > Did you manage to get your Innovate stuff work with the dyno? > What about camshafts ? Id' love to get yours for the TR3-4! > Cheers! > Alex > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] De la > part de Larry Young > Envoyi : samedi 15 octobre 2011 23:59 > @ : FOT > Cc : Tom Young > Objet : [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports? > > Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from > Innovate Motorsports? > > Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to life for > some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate Motorsports > looked good and they could furnish everything we needed. We bought a > pressure transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic cylinder), a > Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen sensor for AFR. These > are connected through an interface "box" which goes to an RS232 port using > USB to RS232 cable. > > We've had nothing but problems with their system. We had to return the > interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks). > After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings and > must be reset. We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No AFR. The > whole system is flaky. I am now sending the box and sensors back a second > time. I think the interface box still has problems. I can't decide whether > to give up on them completely. It seems like it shouldn't be this difficult. > > Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a different > company you would recommend? I realize this is a little different from data > acquisition for racing, since we are going direct to the computer, but > thought some of you might have a suggestion. > > TIA, Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac@camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 6 21:27:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B214C2D08A2 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C7C2D0A59 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 19:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id fl17so3981023vcb.14 for ; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:47:26 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=MIVAFMfnMDeu/GKhuYZncyvhQ2ahQtiO2urzLsIcEG0=; b=f3XFio6ALVvE2GSUFl1nRWIbYj0Z7MUbP2z4ra0iM0MVRMS0pgZ8Sp56b2xz0v4OST /Gjjn02Zk0kZZiIhT5bp8TplGljTWsSQ8JFXbKZtfWMzA7O22Z/vvQ+aVAIL/E+aYVhg /VmSQr8lhbZ1HhnK+x8xR6QL0pW4vUhcb9NID+mUaCnFSAHgIsokQJ69jdZg+P6l6AvO aI6QpuQjbChONen6BJizbWfJTukmdvWNCh4aLN+apXW6Z/VRZ3gx7c032oyF+lRwWLwe JJaOmlSPvBQ3VCENKzhQ6CvYQvNHAMkJvoquNMnANc6SjrrJYxhmrH3gHVh3Yxvu4cy6 dejg== Received: by 10.58.132.239 with SMTP id ox15mr7675369veb.59.1349574446797; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.249.139 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 11:47:05 +1000 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 or Spitfire rear CV axles for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net i have a pair of brand new axles with CV's . they came from a front drive Triumph Toledo I believe. I got them to fit into a GT6 but never used them. there is also 1 brand new outer drive flange that has spitfire/GT6 stud pattern and the inner end of the axle is a taper that matches a rotoflex. i'm not sure what happened to the other flange contact me off line if you are interested thanks, Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 6 21:30:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197882D0C25 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:30:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF862D0A86 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 19:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id fl17so3984768vcb.14 for ; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:58:52 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=UMWoddZl/2xijtunRsP1c5R6PyuuxK08sxChegH6kRE=; b=UrYb2aeun/a5nb0Jf3Fyn2VoEpNWUps+9G7JCAj0Z0nBJHwQhWNAiC3Q32xf32dCAm aqKigaFuIj2NpiiUoIvv73QpkIrzsTT4CHMb1QcDi31pm/hR/a3WccEZZsFC7pn6BWyY HWyOG5Y7bg6bDOmr1h68k/nD/cUYBZnpPLUrBfVHMrHHcG26N59thvOceumw0/Hv4X5P 8EnkbfYPHnGWVHibwgRcl6dZCXm07+jqNn23uxlTmjJBeqjgkOSgJ5GOepKilzymjzyk JHtoafrx3eSOVzF00PwXDMZxteafgiu6qkbqHgiZYVvPhCIyg3p1maZEJyewlpWlnbSA 0mNA== Received: by 10.52.95.201 with SMTP id dm9mr6183465vdb.95.1349575132179; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.249.139 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 11:58:32 +1000 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 rotoflex rear hubs with disc & TR6 axle setup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net i have a pair of GT6 MK2 rear hubs that have been modified and have TR6 stub axles fitted with custom bearings. machining etc. They have discs and alloy calipers fitted (with handbrake). they were made years ago by a local engineer for a GT6 race car project that never got fininshed. contact me off forum if interested in buying. i can send pics/more info thanks, Terry (australia) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 08:34:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD3E2D083A for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 08:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853302D07F7 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 08:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20121008143658324; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:36:58 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 401588520; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:36:51 -0500 From: To: , , References: <8CECC178A8B503D-C4C-10D4@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com> <8CECC2737C79339-105C-18F5@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:36:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 TR4 REAR ENGINE MOUNTS NEW DESIGN IN THE WORKS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I used a system like this with an old valve spring between flat washers for compliance. A hole in the right place allows a clevis pin to hold it all together and make it quick to disassemble when you need to remove the trans. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: malaboge@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:17 AM To: n197tr4@cs.com ; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 TR4 REAR ENGINE MOUNTS NEW DESIGN IN THE WORKS Fellow motor mounties... Here's something i did ages ago and have never had a mount go "south" since...and even if it did, it wouldn't matter much other than the fact that you'll prolly get some additional vibrations. Drill two holes down thru the metal plate directly below the existing two holes for the trans mount. Make the holes maybe a quarter inch bigger in diameter than the bolt that holds the trans to the mount. Now get two new longer bolts, you'll have to measure the length but its prolly 'bout 3"-4" long. Drop the new bolts down thru the trans, mount and lower plate. Run a nut up against the bottom of the mount so that the trans is bolted to the mount as usual. Now put a large washer or two on the end of the bolt that is stickin out thru the plate. Use a nylock nut on the end and just tighten it so that the washers touch the plate. Now if the mount goes away (yeah like that ever happens) the worst that will happen is that the bolts will allow the trans to move about an eighth of an inch or so. This will even help save the radiator if that tire wall jumps out directly in front of you! mounted in nor cal.... Nick -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:25 am Subject: [Fot] TR3 TR4 REAR ENGINE MOUNTS NEW DESIGN IN THE WORKS FOT, For 20 years we have dealt with various motor mounts at the transmission. nce we replaced a motor mount at Road America with material available.....a ine 2 x 4. We are not sure if that wasnt the best one we had to that point. Sean got tired of fiddling with substandard mounts and designed his own. He ill be installing for use at Road Atlanta. But I think he will have 1 or 2 ore with him. It is compatible with the old mount as a direct bolt in eplacement. If anyone is interested in seeing it, Sean will show and explain. It is heavy uty, but provides vibration isolation. He is doing it in SOLIDWORKS for the laser program and has constructed a mold, o he can produce more if there is a future interest. It is likely a lifetime rear mount for race or street. Any one else interested? Please let me know. Joe Alexander . R. E. 45 1st Street esup, Iowa 50648 19.464.4711 (cell) 197tr4@cs.com ______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4860 - Release Date: 03/09/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 17:23:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F087B2D0155 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:23:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CA42D014D for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2012 23:26:33 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.97] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2012 23:26:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2012 23:26:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 5096 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2012 23:26:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1349825192; bh=DQ4TIIVPFUlsob7dcZmeiFYIjxE+aIESMDgk1LYi7+g=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VcljuMNlnK8/eTWb/Ptg+auScglAZoy39PQ0FXreHsQwqhZhcoyjL0lDs9K7UNzxd9+PeSUfEg9BT7zdgNXI4c9CNIIL47zFVnZIJk8OO4D0KgY9RfRAonjEa+xF1LHF/E8NK364duOO//IzF+KSN4tJE1WEw/V8HemAUCgn0X4= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bZtjpcgeDweFawrA78w9VZs/pmi84sAsDfCqmM2cyzdU5vQP1pjU9UvDEHW1Qctl3Xjo09zX7N00pocdEjSfVgviffamPMLnLOk6ZRwm6Z2kRj9S8+uvpVylbxEU5sbPweb3169eodbcNBCj/M2u5BSeOKLLONzuYqzIH7B+Scc=; FPjMFh_urJ1Vp4UQTbS.sjSY50Whk0.uqbxbncmC7omA2bZ9evx72Hda3rjt HZYDyVAy7O1qFY14Spr7udq4SOUMN8m4a3NUbSq1A4MVdYgoP3wFUNwT0wo5 Iu5um7.1uu3tseWhFwFs0XvOegk.J9M2KpiZbO0zTDnOVMiwiho3qj7ZnjhA 6IbrwIem3GWjBC44wcvHRP2XwrwzvZbQLkqBIIRAyWZEvs5eFShFMTotfK1I NiOJdtYNZ8v8cQCEHt_277aTUhe_RJrvk1La3f2UIqvWXqZdCwhWxZAIlY8X zZZC5afn6_mKytyj651ynVc.yNJoVn63ikOl.wyQXWFHwruPejFVvqkZO2tV zXBpf3BMM555sfNwMvlIJPow16jJQjpsC4dvoztuBRL1VjzY- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:26:32 PDT TXkgbG92ZWx5IGNvbGxlY3Rpb24gb2YgR1Q2J3MgeWllbGRzIHR3byBibG9ja3MsIHN0b2NrIGJvcmUsIG5ldmVyIG1pbGxlZC4uLgpTaG91bGQgbXkgbmV3IHBpc3RvbnMgYmUgMDEwIDAyMCAwMzAgb3IgMDQwIG92ZXI_IApJIHRob3VnaHQgLCBpZiBzb21ldGhpbmcgZ29lcyB3cm9uZyBJIGNvdWxkIHJlLWJvcmUuLi4gdGhlbiBJIHJlYWxpemVkICwgCnNvbWV0aW1lcywgeW91IGRvbid0IGdldCB0aGUgY2hhbmNlIHRvIHJlLWJvcmUuLi4uIAoKc28gMDQwIG92ZXI_IApIb3cgZG8geW91IGlkZW50aWZ5IGEBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:26:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] I wanna race a GT6... again.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My lovely collection of GT6's yields two blocks, stock bore, never milled... Should my new pistons be 010 020 030 or 040 over? I thought , if something goes wrong I could re-bore... then I realized , sometimes, you don't get the chance to re-bore.... so 040 over? How do you identify a TR6 versus a GT6 crankshaft? Should I be really concerned if one crankshaft or main caps was sourced from another block... I mean.... are the crankshaft and block bleeding the same dna? It's all re manufactured and fabricated...right... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 18:25:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C4D2D014E for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 18:25:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com [17.158.236.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D452CFCF5 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 18:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home (pool-108-16-127-233.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.16.127.233]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MBN00GVKINCW370@nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 00:28:26 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-09_07:2012-10-09,2012-10-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=11 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210090333 From: Scott Janzen Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 20:28:24 -0400 References: <1349825192.3791.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] I wanna race a GT6... again.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net you need to get the block line bored if you mix caps and blocks, good idea to do anyway. Get the crank nitrided by someone who knows what they are doing, and go with 30 over on the pistons so you get one more chance. If the cylinders don't need to be bored, leave em stock - no prize money in this! Crank - need photos or something to compare it to. If they are side by side the difference is obvious. On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: My lovely collection of GT6's yields two blocks, stock bore, never milled... Should my new pistons be 010 020 030 or 040 over? I thought , if something goes wrong I could re-bore... then I realized , sometimes, you don't get the chance to re-bore.... so 040 over? How do you identify a TR6 versus a GT6 crankshaft? Should I be really concerned if one crankshaft or main caps was sourced from another block... I mean.... are the crankshaft and block bleeding the same dna? It's all re manufactured and fabricated...right... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 12:11:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABA12D06CA for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s34.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s34.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5DB2D062E for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU154-W40 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:13:47 -0700 From: Charles WATSON To: FOT List Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:13:46 -0400 FILETIME=[FDF78740:01CDA712] Subject: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm (still) in the planning stage of building my GT6 racer and accumulating parts and advice. One issue I would like some feedback on is regulation compliance. There seems to be a huge variance in what, for example, SVRA will allow versus HSR (these seem to be the two extremes). And plenty other orgs in the middle, VDCA, etc. There are a lot of great products out there that are not in the '72 SCCA rulebook. I'm not looking to "cheat" and I'm trying to stay true to the original car, but I do want the car to be safe and easy to work on and tune. It didn't look like too many of the Mitty Triumphs would get into the SVRA. So I'm curious as to some of your perspectives. Build it "my way" and then find the org that will take me, or build it "their way" and not have the best car I can build? I know it's a matter of personal preferences, but what are your experiences? Thanks, Chuck _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 12:28:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67A62D0866 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058C72D07A5 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8cyE1k00B0bG4ec51e1jN8; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:01:43 +0000 Received: from Desktop ([76.100.209.245]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8e1M1k00n5JDEd03Pe1NMo; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:01:27 +0000 From: "Craig" To: "Craig" Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 10:01:35 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2lSFvMCWlCFkGCRwm9GWwVJQXySgAE0WMAAABGpHA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] FW: Spitfire beer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I don't like beer, but this one is pretty cool advertising Craig [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Spitfire.pps] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 15:45:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A572D0A51 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:45:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8DB2D0A4F for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:45:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p27so5724487qat.14 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:49:05 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=VtZIh8c+qSS/bl/Wd/0fqZ7EFl9gCFrX08bMxhbnGUQ=; b=IvKSc/cdxLXRZRoRUT+qZQ/9WnHDS4SOvUQraS+D8FniZ9rk4URV22eEhhFrLVKVNj SWi4YG6wlF5YplJbgLlKSBpcLabYBQAlAUXhebS5EFiAq9yf72UNGNtI+im6t9h3UXwJ Q/FZe4GV/DcZC7bOagA+Y232rjUGaFilnS9yJUQ4i3JlFlyDpyMsjdsDAfU6MfK5FTge ILHfq+ZXKmUCDTKWel25fINb3YdfOPGIVQHde4D6Nnwyk/cLIaVn7xoy1Gd/BCdMnBRr he7ye0rnAk5wKizCFX/3Lb87LftMwIZnwEZjEnS02tNOQonF/cR79NR9fdAPBqHgLOsn hRqQ== Received: by 10.224.179.197 with SMTP id br5mr42366134qab.34.1349905745090; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.169 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:49:05 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:49:05 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: Charles WATSON Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: "One issue I would like some feedback on is regulation compliance." Ah, Yes, reasonable concern. You are lucky with the GT6 in that most tech inspectors won't have too many other cars to compare it too. My general feeling is that, within reason, don't worry to much about the regulations. First, and most important thing is to build the car to be safe and reliable. Use the few FOT cars out there as design models and focus on suspension and drive train solidity first. We are all very willing to share our "secrets." FYI, almost all the GT6 race cars currently being campaigned are not technically legal for one reason or another and, as you say, for that matter.... just about any Triumph car you saw at the Mitty. But, they (usually) have been modified beyond the regulations based on consistent and recurring failures. And over the years, some regulations have even been amended to allow for (previously) forbidden mods. Do your homework and use what has been proven to work and don't be afraid to think outside the box. as Scott said yesterday... no prize money here. You will be spending a lot of money no matter what... so try to be sure to use what has worked for one of us right off the bat. (and will not have to be done twice)... ask lots of specific questions. I would worry about internal motor mods and advanced horse power stuff last. Build a solid foundation that can finish races. Then build better motors as time goes on (to that solid foundation). As you learn and sort the car. (baby steps) Really cool to see these new cars being built... happy to give any info/help you need. Build a winner you can be proud of, And realize that a 1972 rule book has no investment in your project, but you sure do. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 Triumph GT6+ _______________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 16:08:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B582D0AA2 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00802D0A3A for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9PNE1k0050mlR8UA3aC1W2; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:12:01 +0000 Received: from Bud ([50.131.168.135]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9aBz1k01K2vctGa8XaC0BB; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:12:00 +0000 From: "RACER BUD" To: "Jason Ostrowski" , "Charles WATSON" References: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:11:59 -0700 Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If you are going to race vintage....I recommend that you stay in close touch with the eligibility chairman, etc of the sanctioning body that you want your car approved for...If you are in doubt about anything...call him for advice, and keep a log... Have fun Racer Bud..spitfire #21...CSRG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: "Charles WATSON" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > > "One issue I would like some feedback on is regulation > compliance." > > Ah, Yes, reasonable concern. > You are lucky with the GT6 in that most tech inspectors won't have too > many > other cars to compare it too. My general feeling is that, within > reason, don't worry to much about the regulations. > First, and most important thing is to build the car to be safe and > reliable. Use the few FOT cars out there as design models and focus on > suspension and drive train solidity first. We are all very willing to > share > our "secrets." FYI, almost all the GT6 race cars currently > being campaigned are not technically legal for one reason or another and, > as you say, for that matter.... just about any Triumph car you saw at the > Mitty. But, they (usually) have been modified beyond the regulations based > on consistent and recurring failures. And over the years, some regulations > have even been amended to allow for (previously) forbidden mods. > Do your homework and use what has been proven to work and don't be afraid > to think outside the box. as Scott said yesterday... no prize money here. > You will be spending a lot of money no matter what... so try to be sure to > use what has worked for one of us right off the bat. (and will not have to > be done twice)... ask lots of specific questions. > I would worry about internal motor mods and advanced horse power stuff > last. Build a solid foundation that can finish races. Then build better > motors as time goes on (to that solid foundation). As you learn and sort > the car. (baby steps) > Really cool to see these new cars being built... happy to give any > info/help you need. > Build a winner you can be proud of, And realize that a 1972 rule book has > no investment in your project, > but you sure do. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > 1969 Triumph GT6+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 16:09:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376F12D0B01 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s50.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s50.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.51.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99512D0AB3 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W36 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s50.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:12:43 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: "jason@multivintage.com" , Charles Watson Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:12:43 +0000 References: , FILETIME=[5ED09B80:01CDA734] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Great letter. Sound all the way. Speaking of sound, you'll love that too. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:49:05 -0500 > From: jason@multivintage.com > To: clw2000@msn.com > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > > "One issue I would like some feedback on is regulation > compliance." > > Ah, Yes, reasonable concern. > You are lucky with the GT6 in that most tech inspectors won't have too many > other cars to compare it too. My general feeling is that, within > reason, don't worry to much about the regulations. > First, and most important thing is to build the car to be safe and > reliable. Use the few FOT cars out there as design models and focus on > suspension and drive train solidity first. We are all very willing to share > our "secrets." FYI, almost all the GT6 race cars currently > being campaigned are not technically legal for one reason or another and, > as you say, for that matter.... just about any Triumph car you saw at the > Mitty. But, they (usually) have been modified beyond the regulations based > on consistent and recurring failures. And over the years, some regulations > have even been amended to allow for (previously) forbidden mods. > Do your homework and use what has been proven to work and don't be afraid > to think outside the box. as Scott said yesterday... no prize money here. > You will be spending a lot of money no matter what... so try to be sure to > use what has worked for one of us right off the bat. (and will not have to > be done twice)... ask lots of specific questions. > I would worry about internal motor mods and advanced horse power stuff > last. Build a solid foundation that can finish races. Then build better > motors as time goes on (to that solid foundation). As you learn and sort > the car. (baby steps) > Really cool to see these new cars being built... happy to give any > info/help you need. > Build a winner you can be proud of, And realize that a 1972 rule book has > no investment in your project, > but you sure do. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > 1969 Triumph GT6+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 20:54:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5215B2D0EBF for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4AE2D0EB7 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.235.164.89] (134.sub-174-228-75.myvzw.com [174.228.75.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9B2utsM009208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:56:57 -0400 References: From: John Hasty Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:56:53 -0400 To: Kas Kastner a=fiFd0MqzADcA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qjlhimhlwoGE1D9JqW0Q4g==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=b4TgfONAAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=kXvPa8tZPFGRznLldFQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=kp3uRgNowesA:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=gLDGgbFVwXYoQYkD:21 a=XLCyrgBCByxt1gBQ:21 a=qjlhimhlwoGE1D9JqW0Q4g==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jason. Do you include 5 speed transmissions, 4 piston calipers, slotted & drilled discs, Weber carbs, 50 profile tires on 7 inch rims as regulation violations not to worry about? Safety, reliability type transgressions are fine, but the other stuff is, in my opinion, beyond the sprit of the rules. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Great letter. Sound all the way. Speaking of sound, you'll love that too. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:49:05 -0500 >> From: jason@multivintage.com >> To: clw2000@msn.com >> CC: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback >> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: >> >> "One issue I would like some feedback on is regulation >> compliance." >> >> Ah, Yes, reasonable concern. >> You are lucky with the GT6 in that most tech inspectors won't have too many >> other cars to compare it too. My general feeling is that, within >> reason, don't worry to much about the regulations. >> First, and most important thing is to build the car to be safe and >> reliable. Use the few FOT cars out there as design models and focus on >> suspension and drive train solidity first. We are all very willing to share >> our "secrets." FYI, almost all the GT6 race cars currently >> being campaigned are not technically legal for one reason or another and, >> as you say, for that matter.... just about any Triumph car you saw at the >> Mitty. But, they (usually) have been modified beyond the regulations based >> on consistent and recurring failures. And over the years, some regulations >> have even been amended to allow for (previously) forbidden mods. >> Do your homework and use what has been proven to work and don't be afraid >> to think outside the box. as Scott said yesterday... no prize money here. >> You will be spending a lot of money no matter what... so try to be sure to >> use what has worked for one of us right off the bat. (and will not have to >> be done twice)... ask lots of specific questions. >> I would worry about internal motor mods and advanced horse power stuff >> last. Build a solid foundation that can finish races. Then build better >> motors as time goes on (to that solid foundation). As you learn and sort >> the car. (baby steps) >> Really cool to see these new cars being built... happy to give any >> info/help you need. >> Build a winner you can be proud of, And realize that a 1972 rule book has >> no investment in your project, >> but you sure do. >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing >> 1969 Triumph GT6+ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 21:40:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C009D2D0F7A for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 21:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EFAB2D0F61 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 21:38:48 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1349926921; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Yz32ip3zTjocKzpIcwL/L79E3Xg0jNiobn8ZMV39InRFqfqU5VSjSg1Gfr6k6XGBq XfzRx6By6HLrMC976nfnuuEdmW5+bvBWYlm5zo6jelgZfaTdKzkUyEg7CZSHqYhP5E UynyRFYpsgpFr2vKvrI9in5ZC6Mmgm6uv8WW7rKM= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABJHNR9SAR72X5S for (sender ); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jaboruch@netzero.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SLRH7JVP; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:40:47 PDT Received: from [76.23.184.188] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:40:35 GMT From: "Joe Boruch" Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:40:35 GMT To: levilevi@comcast.net Cc: bownes@seiri.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bud, have you tried another relay? I had a bad relay on my street TR4 and I seem to recall that it behaved similarly. When I ran an OD in my race TR3 I did not use the relay, just used a heavy duty switch. One less thing to go wrong. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bud Rolofson To: Bob Bownes - Seiri Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:16:55 -0600 When I test at the wire soldered to the solenoid (with the plastic cap removed so I can get to it) that is when it is "clogged up" and the meter reads in the hundredths of volts not 12.75. Others have said I have amps issue not a voltage issue and the relay will do that if the contacts get burnt. That may be the source of the high resistance. Can I test the relay by running a lead from the brown wire directly to the yellow purple at the relay and bypass the relay without messing something up? Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Bob Bownes - Seiri wrote: > It could be a high resistance path in the wiring harness. You would > get 12v but not enough current to throw the solenoid. Check the > voltage with the solenoid on and off. > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bud Rolofson > wrote: > >> The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting >> process >> in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all >> through >> the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with >> purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on >> and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works >> up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid >> doesn't engage. >> >> So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the >> solenoid >> will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. >> Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the >> circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD >> and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup >> to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the >> solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. >> >> With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch >> the >> voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the >> solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. >> >> What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery >> (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage >> measured >> at 12.75)? >> >> I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the >> other? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 21:56:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906442D0FD5 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 21:56:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E49D2D0EC4 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 21:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id c11so1276571qad.14 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:56:29 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=YRLnPVYNcpE7zrFdBxlTdmxRTrcUfGpNgI8J+HbDfxw=; b=f2DmYYLFHrdcN3M9dS/1W+RIBnJMzmkqD0aklJHqrAIf4YjAmGtOR/1Qr5HpROpH7K lq82+Qy3OvbW3xPkj4hCS0qlP05fx4HwDH+irzxwDxKNDkm9eeNzdcEx1wB6jpqheY9s I0Ht4ZuI/pQcF0ikmPtjaDkm2Ov+A+GfEuL+IHCNxisRG+iMbfVYUnEQW1erSJtwFOQz HLbMlFgEXIsoxf8t45NLxmrpY16wzHMRTx8q6gtT/+Ni3CsdeymsmvSEzz5nDj+2DWBv 6iXahZcM2ndNGa2i5R14EB7WsGGBsQDUsPFETo21JYsp7S7Sw8LCKq/JktNJeLxGEvv2 lqKw== Received: by 10.229.137.132 with SMTP id w4mr10692978qct.155.1349927789634; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.169 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:56:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <457BE33B-5FC2-4328-B8B2-C82670D92123@gdhs.com> <624351479-1349927188-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1411575245-@b12.c3.bise6.blackberry> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:56:29 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty , Kas Kastner Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > > > "Jason. Do you include 5 speed transmissions, 4 piston calipers, slotted & > drilled discs, Weber carbs, 50 profile tires on 7 inch rims as regulation > violations not to worry about? Safety, reliability type transgressions are > fine, but the other stuff is, in my opinion, beyond the sprit of the rules." John, No, that's perhaps why my car doesn't have any of that stuff. Key words, WITHIN REASON. You should know by now that I fully promote the use of Triumph parts and period correct parts. But I also wouldn't fault a guy for looking for a reasonable fix to 3 blown transmissions in a season. And quite frankly any organization that would require you to use sub-par equipment simply to adhere to a 40 year old formula of "Fairness" seems to be digging its own grave. Bud's point about being open with your sanctioning body is important here. I think different cars require different mods (even for vintage) and should be classed accordingly. Otherwise, you are essentially requiring wasting $. I think that certain case by case analysis of this issue is reasonable. Most importantly, I don't like my Triumph friends being beaten by cars with lots of brand new parts that are available "off the shelf" by certain German and Japanese brands. We need to be able to have at least a limited access to similar parts as cars we are racing against. I'm not condoning any V8 drop-ins here, yet I wholeheartedly support our TRIUMPH FRIENDs that are developing various modern solutions to help with obvious difficulty in trying to race safely in a 40+ year old car. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 11 02:37:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C6A2D111A for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (sidious.london.02.net [82.132.130.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC9B2D10FC for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.215.26.104] (10.215.26.104) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 50761A9B000B55F2; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:40:11 +0100 References: <20121010.224035.21128.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> From: TR4 Tony Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:33:31 +0100 To: Joe Boruch Cc: "bownes@seiri.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You may just have a bad earth to the solenoid via the gearbox itself. On most the black wire is fastened to the gearbox via a circular bolt fastening onto one of the top cover bolts. If the cover is sealed using squeeze on sealant and the earth tab is not connected to the metal then the solenoid won't work. Alternatively the spades on he loom might be badly connected. Usually the big metal 6RA relays are reliable but can get dirty, so pull the tab overs on the metal cover an lift it off so that you can clean the gunge out. Nice job. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Oct 2012, at 02:40, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > Bud, have you tried another relay? I had a bad relay on my street TR4 and I > seem to recall that it behaved similarly. When I ran an OD in my race TR3 I > did not use the relay, just used a heavy duty switch. One less thing to go > wrong. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Bud Rolofson > To: Bob Bownes - Seiri > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:16:55 -0600 > > When I test at the wire soldered to the solenoid (with the plastic cap > removed so I can get to it) that is when it is "clogged up" and the > meter reads in the hundredths of volts not 12.75. > > Others have said I have amps issue not a voltage issue and the relay > will do that if the contacts get burnt. That may be the source of the > high resistance. > > Can I test the relay by running a lead from the brown wire directly to > the yellow purple at the relay and bypass the relay without messing > something up? > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Bob Bownes - Seiri wrote: > >> It could be a high resistance path in the wiring harness. You would >> get 12v but not enough current to throw the solenoid. Check the >> voltage with the solenoid on and off. >> >> On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bud Rolofson >> wrote: >> >>> The OD on my TR6 stopped working so I did the trouble shooting >>> process >>> in Dan Master's electrical manual and found I have voltage all >>> through >>> the circuit all the way to the bullet that connects the (yellow with >>> purple stripe) wire to the solenoid. The voltage can be switched on >>> and off with the OD selector switch on the column so everything works >>> up to the point where it connects to the solenoid. But the solenoid >>> doesn't engage. >>> >>> So the solenoid is bad right? What has me stumped is that the >>> solenoid >>> will operate if I hook it directly to an extra battery that I have. >>> Why would it work with 12 volts directly but not 12 volts through the >>> circuit? I even swapped out another solenoid from another A type OD >>> and that one does exactly the same thing. Works with a direct hookup >>> to a battery but not with the circuit. I checked to see if the >>> solenoid is grounded and it has continuity according to my meter. >>> >>> With the solenoid hooked to the system when I engage the OD switch >>> the >>> voltage goes as far as the bullet but doesn't register at the >>> solenoid. It's as if the solenoid "clogs" the flow of the voltage. >>> >>> What could be causing the solenoids to work with a direct battery >>> (voltage measured at 12.11) but not with the circuit (voltage >>> measured >>> at 12.75)? >>> >>> I'm stumped. How can both solenoids work in one situation and not the >>> other? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Bud Rolofson >>> >>> >>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >>> bownes@web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 11 03:30:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BFD2D1140 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941062D10C5 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0378CA4C092 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 05:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CulgRREicT0z for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 05:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C98DFA4C087 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 05:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: To: References: <20121010.224035.21128.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <6673CF27-322E-4749-B98E-6B73BB7F41B4@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 05:33:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking of relays, the new ones currently on the market are junk. Some fail after just a few clicks. I had a Moss supplied 6RA last maybe 20 cycles last year. I've got a part number for a reliable Bosch relay and an overdrive wiring diagram out in the shop if anybody is interested. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 11 05:25:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1942D1192 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 05:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (vader.london.02.net [82.132.130.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8C22D117E for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 05:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.33.235.26] (82.132.213.194) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 5076161A0012C1F4; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:24:36 +0100 References: <20121010.224035.21128.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <6673CF27-322E-4749-B98E-6B73BB7F41B4@virgin.net> From: TR4 Tony Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:50:09 +0100 To: "" Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Durite (Gordon equipment) also supply some very good relays and flasher units which seem very good in service - I use these on the rally TR4 and no problems. Same goes for their flasher units. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Oct 2012, at 10:33, wrote: > Speaking of relays, the new ones currently on the market are junk. Some fail > after just a few clicks. I had a Moss supplied 6RA last maybe 20 cycles last > year. > > I've got a part number for a reliable Bosch relay and an overdrive wiring > diagram out in the shop if anybody is interested. > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 11 06:42:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BBD2D11C2 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A294E2D0D98 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8A06938000119 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 68807E000086 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:44:45 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m002.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:44:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:44:45 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1349959485; bh=1VGiIrp+7j84kp9Eel2jWbjRsb8AccgNXAg1RaX3KDs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uEEgVmM5OBcu124Hqg07srbVr1fjkd8kGDHglJS0olfSZ1uclVEGaQpZo5Hh9kp+Q hgEtobOGV48LJ93N5UHvNMGm9KmIZOhazYiTopqMFaC4Uf8tNG2Bg4wu77K3O4dCQT wabFDtvL6KPACzyUG/46Fcjwiw2C0qVSYjwDZ0Pc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c85076bf3d560d Subject: [Fot] FOT SUPPORT - VERY COMPELLING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am overdue in posting the recent contributors to the FOT FUND....my apologies and I will catch those up shortly. But, 'THANKS' to all that have responded to the need to fund expenses for the 2013 KCUP..... Clearly our group is alive and well and functioning quite nicely without the formalities of an "ORGANIZATION". Much credit goes to various sponsors in the past, but the ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL is not an event like THE MITTY and the sanctioning body, the VSCDA, is a non-profit organization. The ELVF at Road America is a dream event for our organization, but it requires some self determination on our part. Clearly, we have a lot of "self determination". THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 11 12:31:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF882D1788 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s13.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s13.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3D82D171A for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W44 ([65.55.90.7]) by snt0-omc1-s13.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:34:49 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: Barr Scott , "jason@multivintage.com" , Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:34:49 +0000 References: <457BE33B-5FC2-4328-B8B2-C82670D92123@gdhs.com><624351479-1349927188-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1411575245-@b12.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE8A5@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> FILETIME=[18CFA760:01CDA7DF] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We of course were never allowed anything but the stock box with the alternate ratios. We did not have very much trouble with he box. I think primarily because all the parts in the car and from the parts department were new FACTORY pieces. I think the clubs should allow the five speed . It is silly to see people spend so much money and lost track time when ancient pieces. Never be beaten by equipment > Subject: RE: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:43:53 -0500 > From: sbarr@McCarty-Law.com > To: jason@multivintage.com; jhhasty@gdhs.com; kaskas@cox.net > CC: fot@autox.team.net > > << Jason. Do you include 5 speed transmissions, >> > > And, in the case of GT6s, yes I definitely include 5-speed > transmissions. One argument frequently made in the cause of originality > and fairness is that the stock parts wouldn't have such failure problems > if we didn't use cheater parts to build engines that produce far more > horsepower than was available "back in the day". However, even in my > very mildly-tuned STREET GT6 Which I used to use for 5 or 6 track days a > year, I went through three transmissions in two years. I very quickly > decided that a nice Toyota 5-speed conversion was a good idea, rules or > no rules. The ratios are very close to the same, including the 5th gear > which is the same is the as the stock overdrive ratio. Kas, I can't > imagine how you kept the transmissions together back in the day. Did > you just rebuild them between every race? > > Scott B. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:56 PM > To: John Hasty; Kas Kastner > Cc: fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Hasty > > > > > > "Jason. Do you include 5 speed transmissions, 4 piston calipers, > > slotted & drilled discs, Weber carbs, 50 profile tires on 7 inch rims > > as regulation violations not to worry about? Safety, reliability type > > > transgressions are fine, but the other stuff is, in my opinion, beyond > the sprit of the rules." > > > John, > > No, that's perhaps why my car doesn't have any of that stuff. Key words, > WITHIN REASON. You should know by now that I fully promote the use of > Triumph parts and period correct parts. But I also wouldn't fault a guy > for looking for a reasonable fix to 3 blown transmissions in a season. > And quite frankly any organization that would require you to use sub-par > equipment simply to adhere to a 40 year old formula of "Fairness" seems > to be digging its own grave. Bud's point about being open with your > sanctioning body is important here. I think different cars require > different mods (even for vintage) and should be classed accordingly. > Otherwise, you are essentially requiring wasting $. > I think that certain case by case analysis of this issue is reasonable. > Most importantly, I don't like my Triumph friends being beaten by cars > with lots of brand new parts that are available "off the shelf" by > certain German and Japanese brands. We need to be able to have at least > a limited access to similar parts as cars we are racing against. I'm > not condoning any V8 drop-ins here, yet I wholeheartedly support our > TRIUMPH FRIENDs that are developing various modern solutions to help > with obvious difficulty in trying to race safely in a 40+ year old car. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 11 12:54:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85FF2D17BF for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1DD2D14F2 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2012 18:51:39 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.102] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2012 18:51:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2012 18:51:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 46109 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2012 18:51:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1349981499; bh=sYM73drFFZ1gsWDf/Bj301N9I494a8ZdG7Orc8mRjNo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3YMR9gKqc7Nw/V3nfS5QJRzyNqM/cVLhJ5G7EaCmUZeIX4u6ni089d50dSrGdSMWbvmqKXZ0BoFs1vb4Ux/gKeSXberVPH/dk3H0bKTD3YewHW6AyCRi85ery3zDYvTXDOXDh/IMubJEigldMxI/RbHMyyq7HpSS4DLSiQYUqSQ= xvslqJhby_GfY6L5lplyqa.vL9Yy0.ssjQD942cHaOU_6dYVFFdHeC8WrrP4 ca9kq0_6cntAZNvfZHV5y8bcjoIKFvBBVTAYodxC737JioPQeccbhMkAgQNM Z_C0tTHETeltjjWIMSoU6lB7ze1MbwvkKbKLP9VY8fwHf6LT4ZztdrDMi7Ok oqhp8fKam9Gmtu1XjLxAgNZs4RCmOiM6tSN3U_N0Zbsd9q2c1__Yuojwbe5J j_SLauofZ2A16y9NpP0qYZTpb7hFq9OrP2tC4b5wpbz_9GQmXyrcZvkjBVQ6 ys6zm7HeYsku0WE.Dw0.dvsEu5kUTTEX3wsKv_Fcq3V3DMuksAV5i6DzM9NQ YUUd1uCDvtSc4_LJPWUGTsLJourQ185FBSmaIHq.IPNvHsDUQncDYAbm0sTq JL7VCzFApq17n.dc6S7Xrkc6ZvhjxQ9eNFVMCYwNw9EU73cC_RajxeP9PKmx QPGGmUnE3JZ_gBc.i_evvgCcwtC8YX3foerIzwXPdM9nt7cY3ylEKtAEKvY8 SI9zW5k1ASGJ9WL8Ol7qofkza9GODm9OZEgqEQ2eUV91Qgw4kyFDxE5NdS7O qDVwl33dU1DE6bnWW7.uTgErzbeGFToIIwAC_sWOl..dDfI5quZt49kGcx9e OllkUwnsq23Ro9l0- Received: from [192.168.1.83] (cartravel@99.98.59.54 with plain) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2012 18:51:39 +0000 UTC Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:51:47 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <20121010.224035.21128.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <6673CF27-322E-4749-B98E-6B73BB7F41B4@virgin.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] A type overdrive problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I used a very simple wiring scheme on my TR3 which allowed overdrive in all but reverse. I used a commodity Bosch relay. The shipping cost more than the relay. You can find a diagram at: http://www.6-pack.org/j15/index.php/forum/15-mechanical-repair-maintenance-a-restoration/247150-OD-in-every-gear#254262 I think Tony Drews may have it at his website too. Larry On 10/11/2012 4:33 AM, yellow04@tr4racer.com wrote: > Speaking of relays, the new ones currently on the market are junk. Some fail > after just a few clicks. I had a Moss supplied 6RA last maybe 20 cycles last > year. > > I've got a part number for a reliable Bosch relay and an overdrive wiring > diagram out in the shop if anybody is interested. > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 11 18:36:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B582D03F6 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581632D03DA for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:33:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 03B323800347F; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mta004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.141]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C3430E00008A; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:36:22 -0400 (EDT) References: <457BE33B-5FC2-4328-B8B2-C82670D92123@gdhs.com> To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, kaskas@cox.net Received: from 76.199.166.239 by webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com (205.188.59.132) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:36:22 -0400 From: billdentin@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:36:22 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350002182; bh=J6XrOQ6T/TUSf1ob+DJ8fzN7+WrJSXSWMt/JzMUBUSE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Nmd3hIWGdusuNKN2+wO6ktaE8wICdVWTdDBbXV9QWxclpVB+jw0c3hQQTXYo82BES gMDBhzBSyfvmi0msjIoQdkc6W0z+6V9QTznuVgQTFpVg7rFcvDucol8671bJ33eEZc mhZpqqmGR+wKudhghNSEnQZzVAMp1fWmgEMBw7uQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b507766060fd0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good for you, John. This is, after all, VINTAGE racing. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Jason. Do you include 5 speed transmissions, 4 piston calipers, slotted & rilled discs, Weber carbs, 50 profile tires on 7 inch rims as regulation iolations not to worry about? Safety, reliability type transgressions are ine, but the other stuff is, in my opinion, beyond the sprit of the rules. Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 11 18:36:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03222D0484 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D432D0401 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1A67B38000042 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mta004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.141]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E8FB2E00008A for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:40:06 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: billdentin@aol.com Received: from 76.199.166.239 by webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com (205.188.59.132) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:40:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:40:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350002407; bh=OE/I7Zi+m1tS+s9NSvK0AYX0yDVNwxdgOM3mI/a2tJs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W6Ep90QS2e7cuU1eFWf7N5xqa1Lppr4QOkvPOZeeHwZ3ZelmB7GS8Lc/7G4DqCaBX y4EqBEutdmf8OXvkdGOT7RnHkmSr1sTEX/+ErvvOwGRWtZmp01zUzgXpRvq9mHctNJ uDv/skjF2RhgWBal5KbGFCoRPzfnEWUFlJPn7bFw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca507766e67b0a Subject: [Fot] Spitfires... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv8rFPLN_Fg Not the sports car, but British, related, and some GOOD stuff. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 05:26:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C2B2D02E5 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE642D02BF for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY164-DS6 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 04:26:15 -0700 From: "Terry Stetler" To: , References: <8CF762942C18061-CE0-35D7B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:26:13 -0400 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:26:14 -0400 FILETIME=[6406BD30:01CDA86C] Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfires... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Bill... Aircraft of WW2 are one of my passions. Most of that footage is late war BTW. Still a cool find. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfires... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv8rFPLN_Fg Not the sports car, but British, related, and some GOOD stuff. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 08:17:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48462D0849 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com [17.158.236.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08BC2D07A1 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.147.168.3] (mobile-166-137-098-246.mycingular.net [166.137.98.246]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MBS001XXAE9T8A0@nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:18:11 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-12_04:2012-10-12,2012-10-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=3 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210120130 From: Scott Janzen Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:18:11 -0400 To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Help - Dave Millers' tr4 broke a rocker shaft pedestal stud in the first session this morning and bent the rocker shaft. Anybody with parts in the area? Russ? Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 09:20:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A8E2D0996 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E415C2D091F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2012 15:23:37 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2012 15:23:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2012 15:23:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 88061 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2012 15:23:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350055387; bh=XfY9NgKaqbmMwGlq10KDYRQkx9An/O7th2tuxeG0wec=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5eWMrOBEddqMg2W54ds1wrG/ykZdOSLfvgzwkN/7it6g/cs+IWUkgyeDfR7SCNXuGbOh4ls/NAEPQQ2n3pZ+7P75plcQj9FrlcUpRM68wqCxXwdI9oVyObB1AJ+cbpkYCN40PMJ19gpnIiZktFeO9V0upo1gHE7HOPq/IS/85As= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lywQBieWv2+cScKmI5jiY6x5xrFq9+VUfqONmI05PUMeEsRyfrcP4u01LLkipqr8LShxR6juQ3Lx/ZnM5fvAJuSojUoLS0fwbjWup01KjaAXgCUZkHAQihzNCo4hf+ElgUjJ958Yq1l+N+KHM2r03QJcO+WEXxkOVijgp6MWdEU=; 7xHcxIwwdg5VOIIz2KSU50XBdBtO8ufojlXC_hheR8cmyVWQGmS6wvFu4hwT SxnpeKVP4XjGnTPuyS8ujpM_kmVt8Z00SrXfLUX9YJCY.asUdzThluHY4Yrx M897Wod6o_Q9nOUqjD0_4FlppxA4UmuPDDRKxZYPfSTPGuhQ7sh3w_5vmX5M 8K_5XA6E9.JWd7yzkbmIAUxQwDIfqjFA_xrV71cuxE5Qp2lJKMv29A_zA6OG oJTqDKcY.FX63iaRDFQUHUEUblh3tz679ZI3yzOF9VlaIgqt1roT0eRGKYz2 rFjXj.0B8jhohZsHG4gtABEZTNpb8_2TUL6U0zBLxDuF3OGvlAMfsQg_lRA1 C5AQAKFt3eVtz705m8Ngfd6JdBupy_yP45zs3vCDI.I_lDTWVUbNjdnxZ6_T oVzUsQ00zRCFUpsDwszkKzHzr Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:23:07 PDT SSB0aGluayBpZiB5b3Ugd2FudCB0byByYWNlIHRoZXNlIGNhcnMgeW91IGhhdmUgdG8gbG92ZSB0aGVzZSBjYXJzLiBBbmQsIHdoZW4gCnlvdSBtaXggZW1vdGlvbiB3aXRoIHRoZSBjb3N0cywgeW91IHJlYWxseSBoYXZlIHRvIGxvdmUgdGhlIG9wcG9ydHVuaXR5IHRvIGJlIGF0IApzcGVlZCBpbiB0aGVzZSBjYXJzLgpUaGUgZWxpeGlyIHRoYXQgcnVucyB0aHJvdWdoIHlvdXIgc291bCB3aGVuIHRoZSBzdGFycyBhbGluZSBhbmQgeW91J3ZlIHJlYWxseSAKaGl0IGEgcGVhayBpbiBtYXRjaGluZyB0aGUgZHIBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. And, when you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the opportunity to be at speed in these cars. The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've really hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection between you and your car is toxic. Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far as sanctioning rules. Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern gearboxes for example. Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of variance to vintage spirit. I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my third rebuild in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run vintage... Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in Texas. The car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the way I presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I would put a Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, Quantum Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was warrantied with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a modified J type overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by Quantum with exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from England... in the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 in receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run like you wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, I'm going to run the T50.... no problem. I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes and their sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are going to continue to run. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four caliper pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability efforts... the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those who are not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any business format... IMHO.... Bobby Whitehead on the hunt... again..... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 09:49:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100692D0A12 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC022D09B8 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.22.217]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MBS009NDERZM450@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:52:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Scott Janzen" , "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:52:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, are they the same as a TR6? I'm coming up tonight or tomorrow AM. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen > Help - Dave Millers' tr4 broke a rocker shaft pedestal stud in the first > session this morning and bent the rocker shaft. Anybody with parts in the > area? Russ? > > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 09:55:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8222D02BC for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f41.google.com (mail-da0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B642D029F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:55:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i14so1610083dad.14 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:58:28 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=jzE1Y+R7qK+5d+m6NpjJciQDRfnoAylPlh5RLEmyO1g=; b=LVCk3RxhU1WlamnxWKiYSECYJVqNSZVoYylPV0CyGu883JdofP3U9Mrc0ZcSWJypn/ km3kebXd+mry9cwSX5uqpAyHvsfWObjGdVLA4vllOIvIohoIdaO0gS30++0dpnQelL66 vFiL56pDE93U6zZPUKPtmYFeK4OwbV1KGGyX93rgiZ+3ojo5nlcUEcrY/OMJHMfFN+qG Cj+SuM3Oij6YPdKc1B0bOffz+NxQdH1a1yNyGoy5uCgw0DieOtKSW0TFqDxSq5XeN+ux K2zev+zJqKncEwm0QRH/fw1lWBoXm20KSzA5nxhKq8FK7e5Mvbn34lJwf5S4KY/d5AmH jQyQ== Received: by 10.68.211.67 with SMTP id na3mr14791705pbc.21.1350057507768; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id od2sm4632308pbb.28.2012.10.12.08.58.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:58:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:58:21 -0700 References: <1350055387.86279.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've stayed out of this discussion, in part because I don't have a dog in this fight (I use a dog box inside a TR6 case) and partly because I'm a consistent proponent of vintage racing organizations understanding that the days of people running "real" vintage cars are over or dying fast, and if we don't want to see ever-shrinking grids it's time for a new idea. When I started racing vintage there were all kinds of exotic cars, many in the hands of ordinary mortals. People with dogs, kids and a job owned some very celebrated cars that they had bought for next to nothing. Vintage racing turned those cars into multi-million dollar icons and they all passed into the hands of collectors, who only race them at the most prestigious events. When is the last time you saw a Ferrari TR or even a Maserati 300 at a club level event? Making racing ridiculously expensive in order to preserve the authenticity of cars that never raced before seems more than a bit counterproductive. I'm in favor of a well thought out list of permitted modifications that allow cars to have greater performance AND greater reliability which should equal less expense. I don't really get why brake system modifications that were leading edge 30 years ago are prohibited. I'd kind of like it if when I stepped on my brakes they did something. I don't know that I'd bother with a five speed, Peyote works fine as it is, but it seems obvious that more modern transmissions should be allowed. You can buy them at junkyards. They last a long time. On Oct 12, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. And, when > you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the opportunity to be at > speed in these cars. > The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've really > hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection between you and > your car is toxic. > Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. > Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far as > sanctioning rules. > Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern gearboxes for > example. > Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of variance > to vintage spirit. > > I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my third rebuild > in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run vintage... > Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in Texas. The > car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the way I > presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I would put a > Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, Quantum > Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was warrantied > with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a modified J type > overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by Quantum with > exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from England... in > the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 in > receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run like you > wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, I'm going to > run the T50.... no problem. > I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes and their > sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are going to > continue to run. > Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four caliper > pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability efforts... > the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those who are > not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any business > format... IMHO.... > > Bobby Whitehead > > on the hunt... again..... > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 10:09:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547AE2D0307 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE682D0300 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u3so2090312wey.14 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=J8H1cXxvidLwG9NTIaQlA2OtwGfCrG9WhDotOLTDukE=; b=cO21AIF7F2HqCpINao1rV5UF1P39KDtQqzZQLJMiz4LtBWwP0BJgK2a2rQLEQkc2ig VKKZLKXcUJou/d20ho6/85GAfU35WAN6eb/HA3CWg7QZKxpXSJo/bnSVjfh3LEwJw/dn +rDUY9I9I0Ewkw+tSJ6OR/RTtkb2oHJBSYIYR5gQ0JcrGyAVJVee4hFsa4JTIlJVTMaW AMAMOc7hLAXIDArZLM/LWAUHQd2z5AshRq0lrUg+8kSSGUwBKEkVPE0hH8Q9pqpjvClq 4wLUjUrtwCjTC5fVx61fZyJpGmXqZe91INWvwPd8hSL1P1Nn15RFEwuMUsezERBMxI9D J3EQ== Received: by 10.180.95.130 with SMTP id dk2mr7139845wib.18.1350058331193; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.174.152.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p4sm4418306wix.0.2012.10.12.09.12.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'FoT Triumph'" References: <1350055387.86279.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71304870-E285-4F7A-8FC4-35E8F7FE98F9@bnj.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:12:06 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2oknhDa4QQTUGwQ4mUwdO8MZgAiwAAWtJA Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe a TR3/4 is more gifted than other cars but you can make a very fast car with using the enhanced stock stuff sold by retailers. 140 HP at the wheels is no problem and the stock brakes are outperforming many others. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 17:58 An: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph I've stayed out of this discussion, in part because I don't have a dog in this fight (I use a dog box inside a TR6 case) and partly because I'm a consistent proponent of vintage racing organizations understanding that the days of people running "real" vintage cars are over or dying fast, and if we don't want to see ever-shrinking grids it's time for a new idea. When I started racing vintage there were all kinds of exotic cars, many in the hands of ordinary mortals. People with dogs, kids and a job owned some very celebrated cars that they had bought for next to nothing. Vintage racing turned those cars into multi-million dollar icons and they all passed into the hands of collectors, who only race them at the most prestigious events. When is the last time you saw a Ferrari TR or even a Maserati 300 at a club level event? Making racing ridiculously expensive in order to preserve the authenticity of cars that never raced before seems more than a bit counterproductive. I'm in favor of a well thought out list of permitted modifications that allow cars to have greater performance AND greater reliability which should equal less expense. I don't really get why brake system modifications that were leading edge 30 years ago are prohibited. I'd kind of like it if when I stepped on my brakes they did something. I don't know that I'd bother with a five speed, Peyote works fine as it is, but it seems obvious that more modern transmissions should be allowed. You can buy them at junkyards. They last a long time. On Oct 12, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. > And, when > you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the > opportunity to be at > speed in these cars. > The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've really > hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection > between you and > your car is toxic. > Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. > Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far > as sanctioning rules. > Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern > gearboxes for > example. > Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of variance > to vintage spirit. > > I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my > third rebuild > in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run vintage... > Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in Texas. The > car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the > way I presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea > I would put a > Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, > Quantum Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... > I was warrantied > with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a > modified J type > overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by > Quantum with > exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from England... in > the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 > in receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run > like you wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a > customer, I'm going to > run the T50.... no problem. > I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes > and their > sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are > going to > continue to run. > Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four > caliper pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or > reliability efforts... > the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those > who are > not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any > business format... IMHO.... > > Bobby Whitehead > > on the hunt... again..... > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 10:20:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868702D0300 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C21C2D02DA for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:17:07 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=Zi0itNqSMy0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=rjHn-FzjK6AA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=59gXBw5KhCQsMPUABNwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:54885] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C0/AC-01253-64348705; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:20:22 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Bill Tobin'" , "'Scott Janzen'" , "'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph''" References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> <7933D72A28114EAFA3FD28E8AA5F5697@hpd530> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:20:45 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2okbyCg0zqNdUmR3WyXZv0SH2sjAAA5A3w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think I have them covered and they're on their way to me which is only 40 minutes from the Glen. Bring warm clothing. Beside the rain we've had a few fast moving hail storms and also flurries most of the morning! Windy too. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:53 AM To: Scott Janzen; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen Scott, are they the same as a TR6? I'm coming up tonight or tomorrow AM. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen > Help - Dave Millers' tr4 broke a rocker shaft pedestal stud in the first > session this morning and bent the rocker shaft. Anybody with parts in the > area? Russ? > > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 10:21:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C032D0328 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8672D02EB for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.219.99.56] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:32:32 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'Scott Janzen'" , "'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph''" References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:22:47 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2ohjfeq134EG2yQ8C8HrLk2ZpEzgAD3hzg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have a spare one you could use, but I am in Erie PA about 3 1/2 hours away. Maybe somebody is passing by on their way up there and I could meet them on highway Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:18 AM To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen Help - Dave Millers' tr4 broke a rocker shaft pedestal stud in the first session this morning and bent the rocker shaft. Anybody with parts in the area? Russ? Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@wave1.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 10:38:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD1B2D0211 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dub0-omc3-s12.dub0.hotmail.com (dub0-omc3-s12.dub0.hotmail.com [157.55.2.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A616E2D018E for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DUB401-EAS216 ([157.55.2.9]) by dub0-omc3-s12.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:42:04 -0700 From: Rich Rock Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:42:38 -0400 To: Spitfire Racing , 'Bill Tobin' , 'Scott Janzen' , 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'' FILETIME=[82E985D0:01CDA898] Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to Russ we should end up okay. I had to drill out what remained of the broken stud, but that went well, so we'll be heading over to see Russ this afternoon. What a great group of people!! Rich Rock ________________________________ From: Spitfire Racing Sent: 10/12/2012 12:24 PM To: 'Bill Tobin'; 'Scott Janzen'; 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'' Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen I think I have them covered and they're on their way to me which is only 40 minutes from the Glen. Bring warm clothing. Beside the rain we've had a few fast moving hail storms and also flurries most of the morning! Windy too. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:53 AM To: Scott Janzen; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen Scott, are they the same as a TR6? I'm coming up tonight or tomorrow AM. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen > Help - Dave Millers' tr4 broke a rocker shaft pedestal stud in the first > session this morning and bent the rocker shaft. Anybody with parts in the > area? Russ? > > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 11:07:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC232D0331 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s12.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s12.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3357C2D0311 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS323 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s12.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:10:55 -0700 References: <1350055387.86279.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Vince G Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:10:44 -0400 To: Bobby Whitehead FILETIME=[8ABE3C20:01CDA89C] Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well said Bobby, I agree 100%. Once Im through my 3rd triumph gearbox Brutus is getting a T9 which is the same ratio as the gt6 box just stronger. This is not a performance advantage, it's common sense, just as group 44 upgraded the axles on the gt6 in the day to for reliability and safety. Aren't we all unhappy to see our fellow racers leave a race weekend early due to mechanical failures. I'd rather have my buddy dicing and even showing me up than be racing alone because his car failed for reasons that could have been prevented. IMHO Vince Garrett #144 GT6+ (BRUTUS) Have a great weekend everyone! On 2012-10-12, at 11:23 AM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. And, when > you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the opportunity to be at > speed in these cars. > The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've really > hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection between you and > your car is toxic. > Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. > Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far as > sanctioning rules. > Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern gearboxes for > example. > Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of variance > to vintage spirit. > > I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my third rebuild > in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run vintage... > Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in Texas. The > car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the way I > presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I would put a > Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, Quantum > Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was warrantied > with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a modified J type > overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by Quantum with > exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from England... in > the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 in > receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run like you > wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, I'm going to > run the T50.... no problem. > I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes and their > sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are going to > continue to run. > Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four caliper > pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability efforts... > the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those who are > not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any business > format... IMHO.... > > Bobby Whitehead > > on the hunt... again..... > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 11:37:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F042D0311 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FC82D02F3 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:30:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9CHY1G6030401; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:34:05 -0400 Received: from core-mse005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.81]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DA4CAE000090; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:34:04 -0400 (EDT) References: <1350055387.86279.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: vangoughv@hotmail.com, igofaster@att.net Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.16) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:34:04 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:34:04 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350063245; bh=47L9V6QX1XrnobBu7ZspBCykoJ6v2iWd+t8R4Gm7CwI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XnJoLmO68O1OXLqTa3e/7GUmbQdwDKfuCTapkMY8Kh47wLWzcrYmglil6Rd5oXYbI rz1W7hLZkrsHth1B6oEYZ1ySkJ1byp6kz3vE5xZ52dF7t6QJJHEoJDoqaDZ1b2R02K sbF1C2BFZIa8rrMiQSatqt3zUvHX36jL0U960bXo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a5078548c52dd Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Back in the 90s I removed and replaced Ed Ceilley's GT6 gearbox three times while at Moroso and Sebring in two weekends of racing. Twice it was in the rain and three inches of water on the ground. I would vote for 'GEAR BOXES FREE', especially with GT6s We seem to be doing quite well with our TR3/4 TRANSMISSIONS, or I would consider one of the Toyota conversions. If there were any restrictions placed on a major component, among ourselves, I would make the engine conform to the old rules. But that is not likely to happen....and I am OK with that. (I think ours does conform and that's largely an economic decision) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Well said Bobby, I agree 100%. Once Im through my 3rd triumph gearbox Brutus is getting a T9 which is the same ratio as the gt6 box just stronger. This is not a performance advantage, it's common sense, just as group 44 upgraded the axles on the gt6 in the day to for reliability and safety. Aren't we all unhappy to see our fellow racers leave a race weekend early due to mechanical failures. I'd rather have my buddy dicing and even showing me up than be racing alone because his car failed for reasons that could have been prevented. IMHO Vince Garrett #144 GT6+ (BRUTUS) Have a great weekend everyone! On 2012-10-12, at 11:23 AM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. And, when > you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the opportunity to be at > speed in these cars. > The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've really > hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection between you and > your car is toxic. > Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. > Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far as > sanctioning rules. > Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern gearboxes for > example. > Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of variance > to vintage spirit. > > I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my third rebuild > in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run vintage... > Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in Texas. The > car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the way I > presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I would put a > Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, Quantum > Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was warrantied > with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a modified J type > overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by Quantum with > exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from England... in > the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 in > receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run like you > wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, I'm going to > run the T50.... no problem. > I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes and their > sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are going to > continue to run. > Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four caliper > pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability efforts... > the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those who are > not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any business > format... IMHO.... > > Bobby Whitehead > > on the hunt... again..... > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 11:53:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4842D033B for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:53:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328E42D02AA for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:52:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9CHtEhn015945; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:55:14 -0400 Received: from core-mse005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.81]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8754FE00008B; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: N197TR4@cs.com Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:55:14 -0400 (EDT) To: Gt6steve@aol.com, vangoughv@hotmail.com, igofaster@att.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350064514; bh=c/Vp0YHxRwE42d8le2EUM+sE2MWBTqbci13Qr8x7bkQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=egw/3MqyW2wI2lNlSfnQBREcNxvsAhPnjKV4P7GJB5fe6twmvVOrbXg4eJ/onFnlk 2RRzUshknse7BlX0EqFHqujmoNy9JWECt21vONfRGjOJyEfRXj6uSq6Jelmfn+q4be cV6IqBwaPOV8vf1iTE6ENmTquP0c3gGLg4ZDi1oE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d50785982039c Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yup, The TR6 conversion is likely the best choice, when all things are considered. > 15 years ago, at least, I replaced the GT6 gearbox in my racer with a TR6 > box. I was breaking a stock trans EVERY race! The new box was a Triumph > piece and carried a 40 pound weight penalty. I declared it to my club and > they were happy to see me on the grid and on the podium. A good solution > all round. > > I doubt I could justify a five speed to myself or the scrutineers. > _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 12:09:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D448E2D03A2 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:09:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0841E2D0328 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9CI4L3Z028542; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:04:26 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: , , , References: <2c0b.696049da.3da9b382@cs.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:04:20 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2oov+ZJDGOpUw7T5+SBCKSPKAoOgAALlcg reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Interestingly enough, the SVRA G3 rules say that transmissions can be replaced with 5 speed units; however, the TR3,4 6 etc. rules say that stock transmission should be used???? I have asked for them to consider the issue.... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4@cs.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:55 PM To: Gt6steve@aol.com; vangoughv@hotmail.com; igofaster@att.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Yup, The TR6 conversion is likely the best choice, when all things are considered. > 15 years ago, at least, I replaced the GT6 gearbox in my racer with a TR6 > box. I was breaking a stock trans EVERY race! The new box was a Triumph > piece and carried a 40 pound weight penalty. I declared it to my club and > they were happy to see me on the grid and on the podium. A good solution > all round. > > I doubt I could justify a five speed to myself or the scrutineers. > _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 12:43:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D981D2D036C for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc4-s14.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s14.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2032D02A7 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS347 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s14.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:46:57 -0700 References: <2c0b.696049da.3da9b382@cs.com> <7B30F8B1425246DEA34A0C6874B08554@gdhs.local> From: Vince G Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:47:01 -0400 To: john hasty FILETIME=[F52B08B0:01CDA8A9] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ya SVRA is smart. Even though I'm with VARAC in Canada I built and registered my GT6 to SVRA rules for that very reason since my own club had no such addenda but allows SVRA cars to register and run. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-10-12, at 2:04 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > Interestingly enough, the SVRA G3 rules say that transmissions can be > replaced with 5 speed units; however, the TR3,4 6 etc. rules say that stock > transmission should be used???? I have asked for them to consider the > issue.... > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of N197TR4@cs.com > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:55 PM > To: Gt6steve@aol.com; vangoughv@hotmail.com; igofaster@att.net > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > Yup, The TR6 conversion is likely the best choice, when all things are > considered. > > > > >> 15 years ago, at least, I replaced the GT6 gearbox in my racer with a TR6 >> box. I was breaking a stock trans EVERY race! The new box was a Triumph > >> piece and carried a 40 pound weight penalty. I declared it to my club and > >> they were happy to see me on the grid and on the podium. A good solution >> all round. >> >> I doubt I could justify a five speed to myself or the scrutineers. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 12:55:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005C82D0376 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2212D0360 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q9CIsnIS013410 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:54:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net References: <2c0b.696049da.3da9b382@cs.com> <7B30F8B1425246DEA34A0C6874B08554@gdhs.local> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > On 2012-10-12, at 2:04 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > >> Interestingly enough, the SVRA G3 rules say that transmissions can be >> replaced with 5 speed units; however, the TR3,4 6 etc. rules say that stock >> transmission should be used???? I have asked for them to consider the >> issue.... Like the song says: "same as it ever was". When you're scared of the competition, you torque the rules to your advantage. ;-) In SCCA club racing, you can use alternate transmissions and alternate gear sets, but you cannot run overdrive on a non-standard gearbox. God knows why... a T5 (or whatever) with a normal O/D 5th gear offers exactly NO advantage other than reliability. Oddly, in SCCA Solo - when the various "Street" classes were created (about 10 or 12 years ago), they specifically exclude Triumphs. Gee, I wonder why? c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 13:45:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6CC2D0394 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc4-s21.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s21.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6B02D0375 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W43 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s21.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:48:52 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: richard lang , fot Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:48:50 +0000 References: <2c0b.696049da.3da9b382@cs.com>, <7B30F8B1425246DEA34A0C6874B08554@gdhs.local>, , FILETIME=[9B452F20:01CDA8B2] Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That is not quite true. The Toyota pickup and the Celica offer at least 4 alternate ratios for 5th gear, not so with the overdrive. But so what, compared to missing a guy on the grid for not a good enough reason. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:54:49 -0400 > From: lang@isis.mit.edu > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > > On 2012-10-12, at 2:04 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > > > >> Interestingly enough, the SVRA G3 rules say that transmissions can be > >> replaced with 5 speed units; however, the TR3,4 6 etc. rules say that stock > >> transmission should be used???? I have asked for them to consider the > >> issue.... > > > Like the song says: "same as it ever was". > > When you're scared of the competition, you torque the rules to your > advantage. ;-) > > In SCCA club racing, you can use alternate transmissions and alternate > gear sets, but you cannot run overdrive on a non-standard gearbox. God > knows why... a T5 (or whatever) with a normal O/D 5th gear offers exactly > NO advantage other than reliability. > > Oddly, in SCCA Solo - when the various "Street" classes were created > (about 10 or 12 years ago), they specifically exclude Triumphs. Gee, I > wonder why? > > c ya, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 14:28:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3842D0390 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:28:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f41.google.com (mail-da0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5A62D046A for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i14so1725650dad.14 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:30:21 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=wzXscRu7GZcXXa4Flr0zmLIxaXYhwLs1exVYa0pv5Uc=; b=Zf+lkMGQpFDQ4kAqlFSmHY8wAjlBk7L6IVlViKDse16dMnRtjSJJPsED+K4SgWxJfM esn1706CVrevkeS5vsUcStAngerTIJTMfDpXvxk0w0DgCg25MpXVP1/8u5zqWf8woxkd qJ005ZlYIiK0E2azMpeTgzMNCPU7Yu+Ggv2FCyOPffe9JAMaBfhns6w5ScT4Ync1r/uZ f/AEanbEa615hy+TmqT8G1jOlRhjasXiqAWSTUrLWVi1fpbEOzWmB6COmX6Y69Y+L80x ZxlZbHBlu/oGFGmIXyK3GBqoaEcVYA8V0X4dODz+A38UVwGndZ1QDYIPiI7uibjsO/nr Gf9g== Received: by 10.68.238.35 with SMTP id vh3mr16878999pbc.42.1350073820676; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm4833364paz.11.2012.10.12.13.30.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:30:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:30:01 -0700 References: <2c0b.696049da.3da9b382@cs.com>, <7B30F8B1425246DEA34A0C6874B08554@gdhs.local>, , To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I don't quite get the "scared of the competition" line. Probably because I've never really cared about competitors. The guy I want to beat is me--the last time I raced. But my notions aside, I've always considered the core of racing to be aiming for an unfair advantage. I think if you're not doing that you're not racing, or maybe you're doing some odd spec racer version of it. Even in spec racing there's guys who buy lots of tires, and those that don't. On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > That is not quite true. The Toyota pickup and the Celica offer at least 4 > alternate ratios for 5th gear, not so with the overdrive. But so what, > compared to missing a guy on the grid for not a good enough reason. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:54:49 -0400 >> From: lang@isis.mit.edu >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS >> >>> On 2012-10-12, at 2:04 PM, "john hasty" wrote: >>> >>>> Interestingly enough, the SVRA G3 rules say that transmissions can be >>>> replaced with 5 speed units; however, the TR3,4 6 etc. rules say that > stock >>>> transmission should be used???? I have asked for them to consider the >>>> issue.... >> >> >> Like the song says: "same as it ever was". >> >> When you're scared of the competition, you torque the rules to your >> advantage. ;-) >> >> In SCCA club racing, you can use alternate transmissions and alternate >> gear sets, but you cannot run overdrive on a non-standard gearbox. God >> knows why... a T5 (or whatever) with a normal O/D 5th gear offers exactly >> NO advantage other than reliability. >> >> Oddly, in SCCA Solo - when the various "Street" classes were created >> (about 10 or 12 years ago), they specifically exclude Triumphs. Gee, I >> wonder why? >> >> c ya, >> rml >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >> Former NER Solo Chair | >> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 14:45:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E372D046F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5AF2D0411 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9CKmk6Z003767; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:48:46 -0400 Received: from core-mta004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.141]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 601BDE000097; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:48:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:48:46 -0400 (EDT) To: ponobill@gmail.com, kaskas@cox.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350074926; bh=c206IBGP8NBwfwmxbGxn6m7GeEsxOtPfYDH3mR4VvMY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=apbSaPNPrgGeRkJdPU+zmPfC+UQx99dLID59sUxEP1n60nkeKWDjY0RQSruXk0+Jt itcxHzRFrSVTNn0+Ah2TjQaMPYCE0uHsjRXhXVQXmwu6JaHAHqQacrlSuTFlG2YJmp qZX00KnSsZQWlxgQmNKRXUkR4gAAMRItGJHD3QzQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c5078822e3d46 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should fit in the original TR3 tranny case. Bill (Damdinger) PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not sure what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 15:00:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3CD2D04D1 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:00:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C663F2D048B for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rq2so3602224pbb.14 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:58:34 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=DlHhXidLKleYbFQcEiqxDsybc3iy/Y0ypAul81Z5iOw=; b=x2lpWzDzPwzhmz5S35mJ+URUNfXJbterk4oi6zMc9xwW5UuSEBWMR0/2tX7KruNnAm eXmEHeSBmeVk2TU8QAYdq4wt++uz2WXwVnskRjmB/iUhiBSJcZr7mObOXZ4dAX7dhlHz l76xDUwUFdwKhj5Aab0LMhY94IFzu4Tl+OvanqrWgUvbhwJ5rJRF/5KPhIFdxlAd4kEi vvgF0IhDpRn9Q8lFLbSZ+SF97Ndj1rmp42rUiYcVJCAalWPKuw/o1uOlG6n59xFmNzvd aMCe80Wi+PLiLsgUaqdoXCsZ2FA+k+dJfgheAz4NgGu6gdbVRErEeYrhALXGA8AtIr+7 xogA== Received: by 10.66.79.195 with SMTP id l3mr14163332pax.33.1350075513769; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kp3sm4943291pbc.64.2012.10.12.13.58.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:58:30 -0700 References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> To: BillDentin@aol.com Cc: ponobill@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Most of the Jaguar automatics I have experience with are hideous. I think they were originally Borg-Warner. Had one in a 420 I owned briefly that I sold as a parts car. Adapting a modern five or six speed automatic would not be all that tough and could be VERY cool. If I were going to do it I'd get Tony Garmey to do the fabrication. No, it won't fit in the TR3 case. Does ANYONE really use TR3 transmissions? If they do I have three or four they can have. I consider them useless. On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:48 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee > arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any > options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should > fit in the original TR3 tranny case. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in > Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I > understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not sure > what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars > Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 15:00:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9806C2D04A6 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AEE2D047C for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY147-W43 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:00:21 -0700 From: michael cook To: , , kas kastner Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:00:20 -0400 References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> FILETIME=[97C6D240:01CDA8BC] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net >From the internet: Hobbs, Howard Frederick (19021982)by G. H. Brooks Howard Frederick Hobbs (1902-1982), inventor, was born on 21 September 1902 at East Marden, Adelaide, fifth of six surviving children of South Australian-born parents James Harris Hobbs, fruit-grower, and his wife Mary Eliza, nie Pitt. Educated at Prince Alfred College, as a boy Howard showed an aptitude for things mechanical. At 14 he built a full-size aeroplane (without wings) that was taxied around the familys garden, powered by a motorcycle engine. On leaving school he worked at his fathers orchard and market garden at Paradise. He married Phyllis Dorothy Reid, a schoolteacher, at Payneham Methodist Church on 12 May 1925. Next year he applied for his first patent, an improved appliance for the grading of fruit. Driving motorcars and lorries from an early age, Hobbs cherished an ambition to eliminate the need for gear changing. After many experiments he had a light car fitted with the `Hobbs gearless drive ready for testing; Professors (Sir) Robert Chapman and (Sir) Kerr Grant of the University of Adelaide found it satisfactory and simple to operate. Hobbs Gearless Drive Ltd was formed in 1931 to market the device and to administer the patent rights. In June 1931 Hobbs, with his wife and daughter, sailed for Britain, where he also took out patents. For the next thirty-five years the family were to live at Leamington Spa, Warwickshire; two sons were born. Hobbs was unable to persuade car manufacturers to use the `gearless drive: based on rotating weights, it incorporated a free-wheel clutch, or ratchet, which was probably the weakness in the device. Other inventors with similar ideas also failed to attract interest in their mechanisms. After engaging in war work, in 1946 Hobbs was helped by a wealthy industrialist to form Hobbs Transmission Ltd. He discarded the gearless drive and developed the `Mechamatic transmission. The new automatic gearbox was more complicated, with epicyclic gears and hydraulically operated friction clutches. Mechamatic, with four forward gears, unusual at that time, was lightweight and suitable for small cars. Many well-known makers built prototypes but the only one to reach production was the Lanchester Sprite, produced in 1955 by the Birmingham Small Arms Co. Ltd. For financial reasons BSA soon abandoned the project. Westinghouse Brake & Signal Co. Ltd bought BSAs shares in Hobbs Transmission and, anticipating its use in the Ford Cortina, built a factory at Manchester to manufacture the Mechamatic. When Ford decided not to proceed, Hobbs Transmission went into liquidation. In the 1960s Hobbss son David successfully drove a Lotus Elite fitted with the Mechamatic gearbox in international motor races. The family moved to Napton, near Rugby, about 1965 and Hobbs and his son John set up a workshop. They went back to the original concept of the infinitely variable drive, but this time hydraulic, not mechanical. Hobbs took out an Australian patent in the name of Variable Kinetic Drives Ltd, but like its predecessors this also failed commercially. In 1977 Hobbs was invited to participate in the British Genius Exhibition at Battersea. > From: BillDentin@aol.com > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:48:46 -0400 > To: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > Amici... > > With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee > arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any > options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should > fit in the original TR3 tranny case. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in > Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I > understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not sure > what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars > Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 15:03:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4062D04F7 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE042D0363 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2012 21:06:53 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.201] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2012 21:06:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2012 21:06:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350076013; bh=6OIAHpXjjNQ4TWeLG4fxqv6c8LC6fwKWsJ1jhheAIK4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a0LwpaxOT59aUlVYvloIiR2Cd+9ZOzawxTsjFA8YDmjqWlFYylXO3FBAIvx9bv4KCGzvyN8cCj5IcJnpmuDTdkQSD6c7/3z0FAs0A9nT6/bG442NJgyQ8ctCxWRHELNB98MPCOwV06rzT9SFKbp7Ch18cGaCK7nSaTJza2+VUyo= o8NWw09bSeV76qIZRAlKMLWMlfYZqUzHQt0t9s.oKwWnyfQcbZMe5nDqivL_ eY1r7bDeUTrWkwdLfqkci6chsy_cGDp2UkZ9R7eewbwHRQFGaDrYwucXCy2y P8vr2srlzvo87M0n_dS0KNDM50xMfbzVSyReyV2Oj92w9Y_EgR.Sq_Djyupq kQ4n9LL74SqABES3IFSKHPQNZSiCxPogLHFKeBrVPkbyqiJzUTIKZDRpLEsy T5j2NuUIHc_C_7VOXPkPAl3TvdfFFRvQw7LzPSDX4OxTKrd6oCXYAOLFerOl RVBHm4s9MYY8_sWS5mdLnBm.wWaittFPUYLA3iJ9Windz5avLS78I6.3tnQu FMV7NGzufrk7E_7V5H35SnqX5Mm1jwRhAASqx14QDBZ4mmgpVDyT95kQY9_G bPHibOGlgxe6_SjvMDJCQfJYtCrvmGIRBL1BxRTfDbO5k43xNe3BAf1PnZqk gxxW6Cj9C0KyPprT2y42Go1JwetpljEsPdjQ- Received: from [192.168.169.2] (dmitchel@68.248.74.163 with plain) by smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2012 14:06:53 -0700 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:06:49 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell To: BillDentin@aol.com Cc: ponobill@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ISTR that some of Jim Hall's Chaparals had 2 speed powerglide transmissions. One of the DTSC members has recently converted a TR4 to automatic. Not a race car, but... Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net BillDentin@aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee >arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any >options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should >fit in the original TR3 tranny case. > >Bill (Damdinger) > >PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in >Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I >understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not sure >what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars >Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 15:04:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AAB2D03BE for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3692D0366 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ed3so1922733wgb.20 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:07:58 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=gi4E5+9oxUgWAuuiy2f+PZPhIREGZ3kU9uaPbrmpybk=; b=wWs7+Cti9aoPgm+ZPhBT0BwG11p/afEn9vXnPcz2/w7czeWt6fcCQapRSxftq9k1Wl hN5SgcrT3wSg89fN7MRUwy+R+I55kSukvdUmwEcyhIXF/ojNBY/cFTEAD79EonIzBvlb ABEF+v43h/AMkJ0fZOaO+Fo5lbRLFv9nCy16sKUNmskMEDzJHZ4l37UEtWwNUb3bsaoh IUG4gXmdbsItu6rfyYTmk8w0ZzFPirJOeTwWOm3v9nMQf3zk3LAYKsFEgDsFbmiGGo6t W1FCDskfoyeOhuPdJ1QIb8YRzoiBlLEWWKraW+ojLO6e794uceU04Btfnz3NeSiojGSR fQuQ== Received: by 10.180.94.102 with SMTP id db6mr8500335wib.20.1350076077901; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.174.152.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dt9sm5081738wib.1.2012.10.12.14.07.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: , , References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:07:54 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2ouw1an6ZxfyuPRUqBvco3mkMxIgAAovdw Content-Language: de Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I can shift my dogbox without clutch. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Amici... With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should fit in the original TR3 tranny case. Bill (Damdinger) PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not sure what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 15:15:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640202D04FE for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A722D03BE for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rq2so3610133pbb.14 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:10:54 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=+HXPigQ/8DEHjfTe6sZLf/PqrpuAreRfKXFwAsSqX+Y=; b=jJikcKsAm9aPCGs53o4fdUlEKUviPBFHgkzz+epYugHnXwN8WLHnfONicsfpcTBl0f UBfYtS1g9mFFtSSZCQUrdbV9+7X4OCmYTWczUvl35ER4hEySprPxWRUjcs6Ga4qKDg1Z 2sw6LTffV+g9cL2DcT1rBAY82ShDWFEXCC+yIR65ahjvPYhTF7QQ8IY53ssct9HwW9a0 4fV/LYPqLklkO0U38n6PIqqWKcpk7IeegfRODXGDNRATEjVeeEJiucXaYsUmnyYiirRC 6bqr1atIK1Ub04XLvZPusAwuQxOuUvMuimvLm4OWGqeEFzQP2Rd6UVV7dh4EG89af/n3 mohA== Received: by 10.68.203.195 with SMTP id ks3mr16923905pbc.79.1350076253557; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a10sm126626paz.35.2012.10.12.14.10.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:10:49 -0700 References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> <000601cda8bd$a6ff58d0$f4fe0a70$@com> To: "MadMarx" Cc: ponobill@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wait a minute, I thought you were blessed with fine stock parts. When did they build TRs with Dog Boxes. And YES, I shift mone without the clutch 50% of the time. On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I can shift my dogbox without clutch. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 > An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > Amici... > > With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee arthritis > issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any > options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should fit > in the original TR3 tranny case. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in > Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I > understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not > sure what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars > Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 15:15:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127FF2D0621 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9E22D04DB for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2012 21:11:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.206] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2012 21:11:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2012 21:11:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 81316 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2012 21:11:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=q/AA9gnkEwV1UTbvCLwdCmp9s4pnBlmHwoX51md9vOo18Cc7pmIrweCpMuowhMSmCIC/z64MNcEkguirZQXBDvEcprOiQK2xMEP4OwFrX5f4yiB7hni5xScAAMdc8/5d56zQl9Dviw4oW9UiOGAwtNsijqlv2tNnNLEUrz416a8= ; s=s1024; t=1350076317; bh=mtHatiClLrjtK7F52+WKfe7oEwLGLDryq+A2PbMRT80=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=XTK1BiPnh853ZOyF4NROCDCfn2RvbrTA8wvrwsNIp+/WeCO1CnegGW5I8+DTdo+hpyLcWMjUWT2+fyEYeUQgc7gRqDlMli1A8H5OHGybo5g3XR/BYT0Fr2PZQL8tTRxRb+3tc6plolM1j6xZFXilSYV+uPCrOpC66bv/rlcg9D4= hAuZmAvNMp9pJKaKLAwAlFZ0OiGR_hSWTxa4MghHfYYWhVThUZnaNkIYZDh_ qhvCh8igqi9n2XVLMAo.7nC6pcw2pkfoLVdjHkeOWLdqryUGA8_8c83kg7ro gzBnb4AHd6uV.hPgJE9nAgiMvAAikLi7d_gc.TXQa5CAQsNUr2M9itWXc46a uuT67i2G6.KOtLHaU2sm4PoR64bUxt14MksAJzdgPf9HhS72saCtBmhYHGy_ O_Jm2sUycX1r2PmKEHLHiQSXQJVKf7uCg8DDEqkrRIxypWU._iIgyI8wr6wu ME81wAK1EaKCCI6EPjpX88LKp6oauqE_wmdHiObYG_90BWmHloOPSW7XTDDV .yIu.ILctM7a19aBph.p18bCZNQzf9sXXoNNz7fqAZxqV68AGc.IKqj3irE5 eb3Q__F9YjXtFkvBFZW4eTxcZ7YuuZ8mLsrBdx3NbLe_wUbeN3RvTH55C.az p8grJ.5V00QmbBd2v_O0kutBIiJHF Received: from [10.226.140.94] (tylerpthompson@174.255.148.232 with xymcookie) by smtp120-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2012 14:11:57 -0700 PDT References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> <000601cda8bd$a6ff58d0$f4fe0a70$@com> From: Yahoo Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:11:49 -0600 To: MadMarx Cc: "" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Is a dog box allowed by the sanctioning body? Just kidding! Ty Sent from my iPhone '63 Triumph TR4 DP Racecar '62 Triumph TR4 RestoMod (Project) ++++ On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I can shift my dogbox without clutch. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 > An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > Amici... > > With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee arthritis > issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any > options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should fit > in the original TR3 tranny case. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in > Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I > understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not > sure what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars > Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 15:31:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EB92D04E0 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E19D2D0457 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9CLTnFE009078; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:29:49 -0400 Received: from core-mta004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.141]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 29EB0E000081; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:29:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:29:49 -0400 (EDT) To: mlcooknj@msn.com, ponobill@gmail.com, kaskas@cox.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350077389; bh=TlGAxnlHL9HlZ7iYz9mUuumDPj1Tt0yrINBU1tvnpIY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mP8yUKjYkUUoAsBwarsvLAgWR8/xqZMLOwwDeNeZ5nZcKcOImBHxcwF5Fcd+8dv7U OdAC7W0Bxugj+CjbAzefmEgkqTCJ6OW+5MytpT9QglAgKd+Fj5u99ZGyWdIytsP9m5 0lMTfXRLzAx+2xg6G/nXgFBSfFxsP6BN8Nis3Pro= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290950788bcd1856 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike... WOW! Interesting dossier on David Hobbs' Dad. Incidentally, David Hobbs now owns a Honda dealership in Glendale, Wisconsin (Milwaukee suburb), and at a cocktail party there one time the VSCDA brought a bunch of vintage sports cars to be on display in the shop (which actually got scrubbed clean for the event). Anyway I brought our Tornado Thunder Bolt and David Hobbs got all excited. He brought a picture down from his office of that Lotus referred to in the article and the Thunder Bolt racing over in England. I asked him if the Thunder Bolt was getting ready to lap him in the picture. He did not think that was very funny and promised to tell me some time just how ill-mannered the Thunder Bolt was when it was first built. I see David at Road America from time to time, but still have not heard the rest of the story. I hope to someday because David Hobbs is a Hell of a story teller. When he and Brian Redman get together you are guaranteed to split a gut laughing. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 15:35:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE4B2D0682 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753FD2D065C for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hq7so212875wib.2 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:38:22 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=kPgfzua/MlzU7g0QmDS3qGYwRHjYFLDArjm6NYOzfRw=; b=Rd/obdMwTTJGcVRCF83NG5LNp1wpLIiRqCtAnttnONGC/9ynjwtL69uRnDFrbd/HBQ 1X7XEXGA+Nvo0s+cLqAXZJ6RmvEGrlxd3vIhbxC3stvsCqPDk/AdsNAUMt6Rew346z9h akffBtngwMMEbBTqVSJqJAWy8zFzFlfioyU4Zgh5vBzDX5CDemoOyv7kRR9F30eUTbMY gIJFClMrFYUY5IMJa10yh5Dye1IdAEpi7JuTgBBHAOYknDDqA76JRlTui7Fdbr7wOB7P tQh1cZnPZdZBOV/9GzRM73SFDsT2EDdibZ40z+8x2HBdpOQAvsrcAuoFay0AltpI1UuI mKWg== Received: by 10.180.79.103 with SMTP id i7mr8659631wix.13.1350077902701; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.174.152.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p4sm5904994wix.0.2012.10.12.14.38.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Bill Babcock'" References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> <000601cda8bd$a6ff58d0$f4fe0a70$@com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:38:19 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2ovhE7TXnJtXTTQwCEnttPdSZAvAAA74qQ Content-Language: de Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run a stock housing with J-OD and some dogs inside. Straight cut also. Almost stock. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 23:11 An: MadMarx Cc: BillDentin@aol.com; ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Wait a minute, I thought you were blessed with fine stock parts. When did they build TRs with Dog Boxes. And YES, I shift mone without the clutch 50% of the time. On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I can shift my dogbox without clutch. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 > An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > Amici... > > With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee > arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. > Anyone know of any options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, > so hopefully it should fit in the original TR3 tranny case. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over > in Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. > The way I understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic > transmissions. I am not sure what they went into, but I am going to > guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 15:46:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F642D073C for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6422B2D06AE for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u3so2265950wey.14 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=c1Me+0V6LKvmJ2ctRWT/rEG/zICf2znogZCv++q1dU0=; b=Choq7U51aIFyeUiONSsfPJFzDRQeIjeR+MjI1qEQwjcILaOoNy6rC/HGg38Nm+eD1e wqJuvivlEo36CQyBcVuqIGtAxsu2G2c446R4cT1NERNNh41xbpF+pwQ7kcmmqYs5TsV2 vura5kVStdpGTWpwtpnE5RqqSQU2QZCwDjrByYpcrIKh3gHhEfO9irW49McpZPf8u+xC umhgZeCkm+OyGe+zVN8Az3FQks6RnPiHDFAG+8X3BO+UH1yNhbgUxIZ1Q/aBguHdW7Js B9KyfvbdDPS3wk5wetYsrQD6VrbYUI46Ujj+lqsyq+8FnW1HHFspsI8mi9z5Pl7JVk7a NP1Q== Received: by 10.180.106.9 with SMTP id gq9mr8690966wib.12.1350078197976; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.174.152.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a10sm5915953wiz.4.2012.10.12.14.43.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> <000601cda8bd$a6ff58d0$f4fe0a70$@com> <000701cda8c1$e6ae9cd0$b40bd670$@com> <94B5687A-5DAC-4D95-A540-D9B9FB7D9941@charter.net> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:43:14 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2owmer34pqu5aRQTCB59dmYMG5fAAABzcQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not German Shepards, German Bastucks :-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jerry Barr [mailto:jerrybarr@charter.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 23:42 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS What kind of dogs? German Shepards? On Oct 12, 2012, at 4:38 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I run a stock housing with J-OD and some dogs inside. > Straight cut also. Almost stock. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 23:11 > An: MadMarx > Cc: BillDentin@aol.com; ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net; > fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > Wait a minute, I thought you were blessed with fine stock parts. When > did they build TRs with Dog Boxes. And YES, I shift mone without the > clutch 50% of the time. > > On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> I can shift my dogbox without clutch. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >> Im Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com >> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 >> An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net >> Cc: fot@autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS >> >> Amici... >> >> With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee >> arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. >> Anyone know of any options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, >> so hopefully it should fit in the original TR3 tranny case. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> >> PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over >> in Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. >> The way I understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic >> transmissions. I am not sure what they went into, but I am going to >> guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars Works racing logs we have talk about > racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 16:22:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204DC2D048B for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63482D0475 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:22:47 -0600 (MDT) a=dDLn+gCNU0lPwwvFAzS0Jw==:17 a=fV-nyBWBhysA:10 a=SYVtqNYTQWwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=UXEf9azUFtgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=hNBywOFcUY-fMk33picA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=jrHyLS-p8VXg8JtTHqQA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=iZH3gs7nht0OWsgG:21 a=dDLn+gCNU0lPwwvFAzS0Jw==:117 Received: from [172.220.18.205] ([172.220.18.205:49277] helo=Davis.local) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0D/64-21565-8F898705; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 22:26:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:24:57 -0400 From: Bob Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1350055387.86279.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net amen to that On 10/12/12 11:23 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. And, when > you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the opportunity to be at > speed in these cars. > The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've really > hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection between you and > your car is toxic. > Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. > Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far as > sanctioning rules. > Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern gearboxes for > example. > Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of variance > to vintage spirit. > > I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my third rebuild > in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run vintage... > Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in Texas. The > car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the way I > presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I would put a > Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, Quantum > Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was warrantied > with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a modified J type > overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by Quantum with > exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from England... in > the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 in > receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run like you > wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, I'm going to > run the T50.... no problem. > I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes and their > sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are going to > continue to run. > Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four caliper > pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability efforts... > the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those who are > not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any business > format... IMHO.... > > Bobby Whitehead > > on the hunt... again..... > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 16:32:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E832D04FF for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:32:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553DD2D04DA for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fa10so3587463pad.14 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:33:20 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to:x-gm-message-state; bh=KVwB80zuKqtdGgQr1YOG+aENsVMDhENTGmEHRp5RnbQ=; b=n70UTwsMVm0M/f998jpbFQh3JUtiIBofc1dxusO7eWtmW1CmE1ofLALMpX2wUkGECu UxK2DhtZhSox9RqCZzopZWlBuAEWxgnU4TPji9hPZZDj6iKHRPWg/gtX6gPSoMN2ixyV fpm5iDb4Jn5/8YYwbkuM5sb6PIdjPbbXaekMuL4DqyMteIVvbzzYiHg0oCgRHds597uX GZ4w/45cYnFkm8TCK7iccKiAwCd9t2kYr6CGVHhxVB2iCxbVeHp28zobvBD7pfY8wRrA uRTk6W0xRk920ELIDxP3Gh7oSJRrQM5hrICK11ZHJR6ZtvSoLltRqkcxF1xSB/PZenmA mW4Q== Received: by 10.68.216.74 with SMTP id oo10mr17633054pbc.92.1350081199628; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.23] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oi2sm5041058pbb.62.2012.10.12.15.33.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> <000601cda8bd$a6ff58d0$f4fe0a70$@com> <000701cda8c1$e6ae9cd0$b40bd670$@com> <94B5687A-5DAC-4D95-A540-D9B9FB7D9941@charter.net> <000b01cda8c2$969f3370$c3dd9a50$@com> From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:33:09 -0700 To: MadMarx Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That's my story too. It's almost stock. Ignore that straight cut gear howl. They were all like that. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:43 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Not German Shepards, German Bastucks :-) > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Jerry Barr [mailto:jerrybarr@charter.net] > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 23:42 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > What kind of dogs? German Shepards? > On Oct 12, 2012, at 4:38 PM, MadMarx wrote: > >> I run a stock housing with J-OD and some dogs inside. >> Straight cut also. Almost stock. >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 23:11 >> An: MadMarx >> Cc: BillDentin@aol.com; ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net; >> fot@autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS >> >> Wait a minute, I thought you were blessed with fine stock parts. When >> did they build TRs with Dog Boxes. And YES, I shift mone without the >> clutch 50% of the time. >> >> On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: >> >>> I can shift my dogbox without clutch. >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >>> Im Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 >>> An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net >>> Cc: fot@autox.team.net >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS >>> >>> Amici... >>> >>> With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee >>> arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. >>> Anyone know of any options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, >>> so hopefully it should fit in the original TR3 tranny case. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> >>> PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over >>> in Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. >>> The way I understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic >>> transmissions. I am not sure what they went into, but I am going to >>> guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars Works racing logs we have talk about >> racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr@charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 16:54:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B402A2D061C for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93F92D060F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU154-W49 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:57:10 -0700 From: Charles WATSON CC: FOT List Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:57:10 -0400 References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com>, <000601cda8bd$a6ff58d0$f4fe0a70$@com>, , <000701cda8c1$e6ae9cd0$b40bd670$@com>, <94B5687A-5DAC-4D95-A540-D9B9FB7D9941@charter.net>, <000b01cda8c2$969f3370$c3dd9a50$@com>, FILETIME=[E9890C00:01CDA8CC] Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS GT6 REBUILD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think I started all this muckracking, so a question to help me out based on what I'm hearing: "Facts" - The GT6 trans was good when new, but really unreliable now after 40 years - Suitable alternatives are TR 3/4/6, T9 or various Toyota - I have a typical spec GT6 4-spd with overdrive Questions: - Am I better off swapping the base unit out during the build or giving it a chance? - Is OD of any use? - From my read of regs, a five speed is allowed as an alternative when replacing a 4spd OD unit, as long as 5th gear is < a 1.1 ratio. If so, what's my best option? Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 18:51:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04B12D065F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:51:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D05B2D0653 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.247.181.23] (63.sub-174-252-151.myvzw.com [174.252.151.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9D0oCtl019188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:50:15 -0400 References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:50:11 -0400 To: "BillDentin@aol.com" a=A19GODrggzEA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=PDNid8jqTNQRmR4ikm9+2g==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=701u7F2mWtfPcrwXsTcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=PDNid8jqTNQRmR4ikm9+2g==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "ponobill@gmail.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net By God Bill there's the answer. Autos shucks it worked for Lance why not for us ? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2012, at 4:48 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee > arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any > options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should > fit in the original TR3 tranny case. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in > Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I > understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not sure > what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars > Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 18:52:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3461A2D0676 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:52:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB6C2D0653 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.247.181.23] (63.sub-174-252-151.myvzw.com [174.252.151.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9D0ox7m020337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:51:01 -0400 References: <6F32FDCE-4E5C-4B1B-BE77-A3FB9ABB532B@gdhs.com> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:50:57 -0400 To: fot reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Vintage Production Car Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: John Hasty > Date: October 12, 2012 8:46:09 PM EDT > To: "Snowdonracing@aol.com" > Subject: Re: Vintage Production Car Transmissions > > Thanks Ray. I know that is what the G3 rules say; but the special rules for TR3's states original transmissions. So the rules say one thing under G3 and another under TR3-4. How are we to know which one is correct? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 12, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Snowdonracing@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> Thanks for the note and sorry you are having issues. There is a substitution rule in the Group 3 Supplementals already. It states: >> "Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate PRODUCTION BASED GEARBOX of the same number of forward speeds. ADD 75LBS. TO OFFICIAL WEIGHT. When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the 5th gear must be lower numerically than 1 : 1." >> If a non-standard gearbox is being used, it must be declared on the RCIS sheet for the vehicle. >> Your Triumph, TR3, lists a 4-speed with Laycock overdrive optional. That means 5 forward speeds. >> So, the rules are already there. Cars that were never equipped with overdrive, or as an option, must continue to keep their original number of forward speeds. >> The number of forward speeds is something that we will be checking on for 2013 as we step up on rules enforcement. >> I hope this answers your questions. >> Ray >> >> In a message dated 10/12/2012 1:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhhasty@gdhs.com writes: >> Ray: >> As our Triumphs, MGs, Morgans, Elvas etc. get even older than they >> already are, a number of us are having transmission problems with the >> original gear boxes which are causing frequent costly repairs and I >> understand that MGs are also having source problems as well. While I >> understand the spirit of the rules and try to keep my TR within them, >> reliability and the cost of fixing old "stuff" is becoming a problem which >> may well keep some of us from participating in as many events as we might >> otherwise like. For instance I just spent $730 to go through my TR box and >> after the Gold Cup, it feels like it needs it again. It may well be time to >> consider, in the interest of safety and reliability, allowing these cars to >> use the readily available GM and Toyota 5 speed transmission conversions. I >> note also, that 4 speeds vs. 5 speeds is not a problem in as much as these >> old English cars had overdrive units available which, like my car, give you >> an effective 5 speed unit. >> I would also note that there are already some cars using these >> conversions and there should be a "level playing field" approach considered >> as well. Please give some thought to this with your Tech staff . I look >> forward to your response.... >> >> John H. 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It's almost stock. Ignore that straight cut gear howl. > They were all like that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:43 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> Not German Shepards, German Bastucks :-) >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Jerry Barr [mailto:jerrybarr@charter.net] >> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 23:42 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS >> >> What kind of dogs? German Shepards? >> On Oct 12, 2012, at 4:38 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >>> I run a stock housing with J-OD and some dogs inside. >>> Straight cut also. Almost stock. >>> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 23:11 >>> An: MadMarx >>> Cc: BillDentin@aol.com; ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net; >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS >>> >>> Wait a minute, I thought you were blessed with fine stock parts. When >>> did they build TRs with Dog Boxes. And YES, I shift mone without the >>> clutch 50% of the time. >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: >>> >>>> I can shift my dogbox without clutch. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >>>> Im Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com >>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 >>>> An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net >>>> Cc: fot@autox.team.net >>>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS >>>> >>>> Amici... >>>> >>>> With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee >>>> arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. >>>> Anyone know of any options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, >>>> so hopefully it should fit in the original TR3 tranny case. >>>> >>>> Bill (Damdinger) >>>> >>>> PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over >>>> in Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. >>>> The way I understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic >>>> transmissions. I am not sure what they went into, but I am going to >>>> guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars Works racing logs we have talk about >>> racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr@charter.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 18:55:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1F72C0BAC for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4F42C0AC6 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:55:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.247.181.23] (63.sub-174-252-151.myvzw.com [174.252.151.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9D0wdZw030698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:58:41 -0400 References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:58:36 -0400 To: Bill Babcock reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "ponobill@gmail.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Gee, in still use a 3 close ratio with A O D Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Most of the Jaguar automatics I have experience with are hideous. I think they > were originally Borg-Warner. Had one in a 420 I owned briefly that I sold as a > parts car. Adapting a modern five or six speed automatic would not be all that > tough and could be VERY cool. If I were going to do it I'd get Tony Garmey to > do the fabrication. > > No, it won't fit in the TR3 case. Does ANYONE really use TR3 transmissions? If > they do I have three or four they can have. I consider them useless. > > On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:48 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee >> arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone > know of any >> options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should >> fit in the original TR3 tranny case. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> >> PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in >> Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I >> understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not > sure >> what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars >> Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 20:30:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88EB2D068F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp003.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.158.236.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150B32D068C for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.147.168.3] (mobile-166-137-098-246.mycingular.net [166.137.98.246]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MBT0047O8FHOG30@nk11p04mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:33:20 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-12_06:2012-10-12,2012-10-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210120357 References: <457BE33B-5FC2-4328-B8B2-C82670D92123@gdhs.com> <624351479-1349927188-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1411575245-@b12.c3.bise6.blackberry> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE8A5@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> From: Scott Janzen Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 22:33:21 -0400 To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My tr6 transmission transplant into my GT6 has been great!!! Especially compared to replacing the GT6 box every other race weekend. I vote for adhering to four forward gears and Triumph stuff. Sent from my mobile device On Oct 11, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > We of course were never allowed anything but the stock box with the alternate > ratios. We did not have very much trouble with he box. I think primarily > because all the parts in the car and from the parts department were new > FACTORY pieces. I think the clubs should allow the five speed . It is silly > to see people spend so much money and lost track time when ancient pieces. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Subject: RE: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback >> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:43:53 -0500 >> From: sbarr@McCarty-Law.com >> To: jason@multivintage.com; jhhasty@gdhs.com; kaskas@cox.net >> CC: fot@autox.team.net >> >> << Jason. Do you include 5 speed transmissions, >> >> >> And, in the case of GT6s, yes I definitely include 5-speed >> transmissions. One argument frequently made in the cause of originality >> and fairness is that the stock parts wouldn't have such failure problems >> if we didn't use cheater parts to build engines that produce far more >> horsepower than was available "back in the day". However, even in my >> very mildly-tuned STREET GT6 Which I used to use for 5 or 6 track days a >> year, I went through three transmissions in two years. I very quickly >> decided that a nice Toyota 5-speed conversion was a good idea, rules or >> no rules. The ratios are very close to the same, including the 5th gear >> which is the same is the as the stock overdrive ratio. Kas, I can't >> imagine how you kept the transmissions together back in the day. Did >> you just rebuild them between every race? >> >> Scott B. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:56 PM >> To: John Hasty; Kas Kastner >> Cc: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John Hasty >>> >>> >>> "Jason. Do you include 5 speed transmissions, 4 piston calipers, >>> slotted & drilled discs, Weber carbs, 50 profile tires on 7 inch rims >>> as regulation violations not to worry about? Safety, reliability type >> >>> transgressions are fine, but the other stuff is, in my opinion, beyond >> the sprit of the rules." >> >> >> John, >> >> No, that's perhaps why my car doesn't have any of that stuff. Key words, >> WITHIN REASON. You should know by now that I fully promote the use of >> Triumph parts and period correct parts. But I also wouldn't fault a guy >> for looking for a reasonable fix to 3 blown transmissions in a season. >> And quite frankly any organization that would require you to use sub-par >> equipment simply to adhere to a 40 year old formula of "Fairness" seems >> to be digging its own grave. Bud's point about being open with your >> sanctioning body is important here. I think different cars require >> different mods (even for vintage) and should be classed accordingly. >> Otherwise, you are essentially requiring wasting $. >> I think that certain case by case analysis of this issue is reasonable. >> Most importantly, I don't like my Triumph friends being beaten by cars >> with lots of brand new parts that are available "off the shelf" by >> certain German and Japanese brands. We need to be able to have at least >> a limited access to similar parts as cars we are racing against. I'm >> not condoning any V8 drop-ins here, yet I wholeheartedly support our >> TRIUMPH FRIENDs that are developing various modern solutions to help >> with obvious difficulty in trying to race safely in a 40+ year old car. >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 20:40:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D912D0691 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:40:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54962D05FB for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AC8a1k0040mlR8UA3ShvQU; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:41:55 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AShr1k00N3UuT0T8XShvDT; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:41:55 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'Yahoo'" , "'MadMarx'" Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:32:42 -0600 Thread-index: Ac2ovzSzfvToRHgVSduPsOor7gcgTgAK71Ag Cc: ponobill@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If I could afford one I wouldn't care. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Yahoo Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:12 PM To: MadMarx Cc: ; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Is a dog box allowed by the sanctioning body? Just kidding! Ty Sent from my iPhone '63 Triumph TR4 DP Racecar '62 Triumph TR4 RestoMod (Project) ++++ On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I can shift my dogbox without clutch. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 > An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > Amici... > > With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee arthritis > issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any > options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should fit > in the original TR3 tranny case. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in > Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I > understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not > sure what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars > Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 06:13:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302B62D06EC for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 06:13:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFFF2D06B9 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 06:11:25 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=naCVFqO93Y4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=XJjeMixKU4WtNHyymBUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=Z3x2xsL_hcdIMgy5:21 a=Ztwb3OnjHUQvqVLW:21 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:59191] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 52/23-15517-03B59705; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:14:41 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph''" , "'Bill Tobin'" References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> <7933D72A28114EAFA3FD28E8AA5F5697@hpd530> <005501cda895$88e03180$9aa09480$@rr.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:15:05 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2okbyCg0zqNdUmR3WyXZv0SH2sjAAA5A3wACmNrYA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net OUCH!!! It was 19 degrees at my place this morning with a heavy frost. Couldn't be much different at the Glen. Supposed to warm up to high forties in the afternoon..................... Sessions start at 8:30 when the projected temp should be 28-32 degrees according to the web. This is where the guys with closed cars and heaters smile a lot! Dave's TR4 should be all set. I had all the parts he needed. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:21 PM To: 'Bill Tobin'; 'Scott Janzen'; 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'' Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen I think I have them covered and they're on their way to me which is only 40 minutes from the Glen. Bring warm clothing. Beside the rain we've had a few fast moving hail storms and also flurries most of the morning! Windy too. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:53 AM To: Scott Janzen; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen Scott, are they the same as a TR6? I'm coming up tonight or tomorrow AM. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen > Help - Dave Millers' tr4 broke a rocker shaft pedestal stud in the first > session this morning and bent the rocker shaft. Anybody with parts in the > area? Russ? > > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 06:48:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DF32D0383 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 06:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s29.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s29.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D3C2C0254 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 06:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS255 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s29.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 13 Oct 2012 05:51:35 -0700 References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> <7933D72A28114EAFA3FD28E8AA5F5697@hpd530> <005501cda895$88e03180$9aa09480$@rr.com> <000301cda93c$6154c610$23fe5230$@rr.com> From: Vince G Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:48:26 -0400 To: Spitfire Racing FILETIME=[7A9A3FB0:01CDA941] Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wow. I'm 300 miles north and it's about the same temp Have a great time gents! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-10-13, at 8:16 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > OUCH!!! > > It was 19 degrees at my place this morning with a heavy frost. Couldn't be > much different at the Glen. Supposed to warm up to high forties in the > afternoon..................... Sessions start at 8:30 when the projected > temp should be 28-32 degrees according to the web. This is where the guys > with closed cars and heaters smile a lot! > > Dave's TR4 should be all set. I had all the parts he needed. > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Spitfire Racing > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:21 PM > To: 'Bill Tobin'; 'Scott Janzen'; 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen > > I think I have them covered and they're on their way to me which is only 40 > minutes from the Glen. > Bring warm clothing. Beside the rain we've had a few fast moving hail storms > and also flurries most of the morning! Windy too. > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Tobin > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:53 AM > To: Scott Janzen; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen > > Scott, are they the same as a TR6? > I'm coming up tonight or tomorrow AM. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:18 AM > Subject: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen > > >> Help - Dave Millers' tr4 broke a rocker shaft pedestal stud in the first >> session this morning and bent the rocker shaft. Anybody with parts in the >> area? Russ? >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 07:30:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5002E2D070F for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 07:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E672D0707 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 07:30:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9DDXdSB007980 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:33:39 -0400 Received: from core-dgb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.73]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6D382E00008D for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:33:39 -0400 (EDT) From: REK46@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:33:39 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350135219; bh=l/ZqkGTe7Hm/Fq+VKGzNUFwY0PEYWqVRwGleoJfPf28=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VjE/0/y0z8Cg5DE+hNEwOxNhgaV3aSLS5VNap7+vxexkSVaIKc5Ok65V31IcSKtud +rfifWI1+CyJvksLEEQA4w9SgEElz4z1lif+7X2IY6oRkdL5KiB3UYKDeX0mEEhTrH neWLguuVx5bs3Ii0uxbBlvBmfJ3J4UZlfEdZNIDI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294950796db34b30 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Wheel balancer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ____________________________________ From: REK46@aol.com To: spitlist@cox.net Sent: 10/13/2012 9:31:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Wheel balancer I inherited a nice wheel balancer from an old friend..Its a Micro-Precision ,model M-60...supposedly same as ones sold as Coats Co....BUT,one problem with it, the bubble is enlarged to almost the size of the window(supposed to be small for centering in the dial)...the part is #106843 Bubble Cap Assembly...Apparenly these are obsolete in production. Does anyone know if the bubble cap can be repaired and renewed to proper standards and by whom?..Or does anyone have an old unit that they might donate/sell me the cap. Really hate to scrap the whole thing,plus the sentimental value...Any help would be appreciated....Rick _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 08:24:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926CE2D0733 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99EC2D06DB for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:24:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20121013142801.GICF10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11>; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:28:01 -0400 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id AeU11k0050zbdDt05eU1p9; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:28:01 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=wBL8hYPTBP0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Z4fAmKWApDX89YTvbrMcbg==:17 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=90ZD1yAYdznN5In1pmgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=Z4fAmKWApDX89YTvbrMcbg==:117 Received: from [64.83.194.80] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:28:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:28:00 -0400 (EDT) From: jkhagen@charter.net To: Vince G User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Friends, If you upgrade everything that could fail-it would not be vintage let alone the spirit of vintage racing. John Hagen On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Vince G wrote: > Well said Bobby, I agree 100%. > Once Im through my 3rd triumph gearbox Brutus is getting a T9 which is > the > same ratio as the gt6 box just stronger. This is not a performance > advantage, > it's common sense, just as group 44 upgraded the axles on the gt6 in > the day > to for reliability and safety. > > Aren't we all unhappy to see our fellow racers leave a race weekend > early due > to mechanical failures. I'd rather have my buddy dicing and even > showing me > up than be racing alone because his car failed for reasons that could > have > been prevented. > > IMHO > > Vince Garrett > #144 GT6+ (BRUTUS) > > Have a great weekend everyone! > > > On 2012-10-12, at 11:23 AM, "Bobby Whitehead" > wrote: > >> I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. >> And, > when >> you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the >> opportunity to > be at >> speed in these cars. >> The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and >> you've > really >> hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection >> between you > and >> your car is toxic. >> Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. >> Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far >> as >> sanctioning rules. >> Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern >> gearboxes > for >> example. >> Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought >> of > variance >> to vintage spirit. >> >> I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my >> third > rebuild >> in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run >> vintage... >> Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in >> Texas. > The >> car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the >> way I >> presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I >> would put > a >> Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, >> Quantum >> Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was > warrantied >> with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a >> modified J > type >> overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by >> Quantum > with >> exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from >> England... > in >> the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about >> $4000 in >> receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run >> like you >> wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, >> I'm going > to >> run the T50.... no problem. >> I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes >> and > their >> sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars >> are going > to >> continue to run. >> Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four >> caliper >> pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability > efforts... >> the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... >> those who > are >> not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any >> business >> format... IMHO.... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> on the hunt... again..... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 08:50:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946A02D0714 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 58FF52D070D for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:50:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24616 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2012 14:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2012 14:53:55 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=49834 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TN36B-000362-11 for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:53:55 -0600 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:53:54 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <57840ff6.12319.13a5a864d0c.Webtop.46@charter.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Isn't it a bit early in the fall for the annual "what is vintage?" discussion? Normally we wait until like December or January when everyone's testy from the cold weather. :) Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 09:04:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02152D0781 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34872D074E for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9DF7daR014556 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:07:39 -0400 Received: from core-dgb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.73]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 27BC2E000086 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) From: REK46@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350140859; bh=Xn0JtBxkmt40DaLTQwgoURJGkcEOTBsKfTtE8qbUPFY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w7t5o8Jl5MDiwzXapruBvTo/AQ5ZRh/hwwaX/Yi//qRx/xTNGnerGMh4wX2SsWE6s qag7snV7xJKHhF1yqmmKUb141HCHCUgpLclW/u8BiUqu2kosxXc5J6kpeSfIYyPURO djV54HBIZag9KihO2gZ0YMalSNicXFEjN0uexfaE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d507983bb4e5e Subject: [Fot] Wheel balancer help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I inherited a nice wheel balancer from an old friend..Its a Micro-Precision ,model M-60...supposedly same as ones sold as Coats Co....BUT,one problem with it, the bubble is enlarged to almost the size of the window(supposed to be small for centering in the dial)...the part is #106843 Bubble Cap Assembly...Apparenly these are obsolete in production. Does anyone know if the bubble cap can be repaired and renewed to proper standards and by whom?..Or does anyone have an old unit that they might donate/sell me the cap. Really hate to scrap the whole thing,plus the sentimental value...Any help would be appreciated....Rick _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 09:09:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6C02D075E for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296092D0749 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFB7A4C091 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c6-J4ZPBgNPq for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9DC8BA4C087 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:12:16 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "fot" References: <457BE33B-5FC2-4328-B8B2-C82670D92123@gdhs.com><624351479-1349927188-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1411575245-@b12.c3.bise6.blackberry><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE8A5@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 - TR6 Triumph gearboxes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You small chassis Triumph racers, this probably does not apply to you... Keep in mind a properly prepared Triumph gearbox that is used with a reasonable amount of care will last a long time. The recipe to get a box to shift right in race conditions and last many weekends is extraordinarly simple, build it to the bottom end of the clearance specs in the book. You either have to build the gearbox yourself, or insist your rebuilder take the time required to set every clearance as tight as the spec allows. Most importantly, remember when on track what you are not driving a modern gearbox. Show it a little sympathy, it will last. Or, spend the bucks on the T5 conversion. I don't care, it means more TR gearbox bits available for me! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback > My tr6 transmission transplant into my GT6 has been great!!! Especially > compared to replacing the GT6 box every other race weekend. I vote for > adhering to four forward gears and Triumph stuff. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 09:49:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EE52D0761 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s27.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s27.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778882D075C for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS105 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s27.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:48:08 -0700 References: <457BE33B-5FC2-4328-B8B2-C82670D92123@gdhs.com> <624351479-1349927188-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1411575245-@b12.c3.bise6.blackberry> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE8A5@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> From: Vince G Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:48:04 -0400 To: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" FILETIME=[24235AE0:01CDA95A] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 - TR6 Triumph gearboxes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I will be rebuilding my gearbox so thank you for this advice.... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-10-13, at 11:12 AM, yellow04@tr4racer.com wrote: > You small chassis Triumph racers, this probably does not apply to you... > > Keep in mind a properly prepared Triumph gearbox that is used with a > reasonable amount of care will last a long time. The recipe to get a box to > shift right in race conditions and last many weekends is extraordinarly > simple, build it to the bottom end of the clearance specs in the book. You > either have to build the gearbox yourself, or insist your rebuilder take the > time required to set every clearance as tight as the spec allows. > > Most importantly, remember when on track what you are not driving a modern > gearbox. Show it a little sympathy, it will last. > > Or, spend the bucks on the T5 conversion. I don't care, it means more TR > gearbox bits available for me! > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Janzen" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Reg Compliance - Your Feedback > > >> My tr6 transmission transplant into my GT6 has been great!!! Especially >> compared to replacing the GT6 box every other race weekend. I vote for >> adhering to four forward gears and Triumph stuff. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 12:40:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D212D07FA for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:40:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E879E2D031F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ABi81k00816AWCUA3GU6tF; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:28:06 +0000 Received: from Bud ([50.131.168.135]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AGU51k00C2vctGa8SGU5Uv; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:28:05 +0000 From: "RACER BUD" To: "Bill Babcock" , "Bobby Whitehead" References: <1350055387.86279.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71304870-E285-4F7A-8FC4-35E8F7FE98F9@bnj.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:28:05 -0700 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The quote that someone made..."If you want to race these cars you have to love these cars" rings very true to me..Loving my race car, even if I cannot use it for a while is part of the wonderful process of being involved with our terrific sport..When the car breaks..that too is part of the process..These cars..be they loaded with racing history or built from a street Triumph are an indication of passion..For instance..How FOT is so great at helping new racers..The comradry is beautiful We are lucky people! Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bobby Whitehead" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph > I've stayed out of this discussion, in part because I don't have a dog in > this > fight (I use a dog box inside a TR6 case) and partly because I'm a > consistent > proponent of vintage racing organizations understanding that the days of > people running "real" vintage cars are over or dying fast, and if we don't > want to see ever-shrinking grids it's time for a new idea. > > When I started racing vintage there were all kinds of exotic cars, many in > the > hands of ordinary mortals. People with dogs, kids and a job owned some > very > celebrated cars that they had bought for next to nothing. Vintage racing > turned those cars into multi-million dollar icons and they all passed into > the > hands of collectors, who only race them at the most prestigious events. > When > is the last time you saw a Ferrari TR or even a Maserati 300 at a club > level > event? > > Making racing ridiculously expensive in order to preserve the authenticity > of > cars that never raced before seems more than a bit counterproductive. I'm > in > favor of a well thought out list of permitted modifications that allow > cars to > have greater performance AND greater reliability which should equal less > expense. I don't really get why brake system modifications that were > leading > edge 30 years ago are prohibited. I'd kind of like it if when I stepped on > my > brakes they did something. > > I don't know that I'd bother with a five speed, Peyote works fine as it > is, > but it seems obvious that more modern transmissions should be allowed. You > can > buy them at junkyards. They last a long time. > > On Oct 12, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. And, > when >> you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the opportunity >> to > be at >> speed in these cars. >> The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've > really >> hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection between >> you > and >> your car is toxic. >> Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. >> Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far as >> sanctioning rules. >> Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern gearboxes > for >> example. >> Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of > variance >> to vintage spirit. >> >> I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my third > rebuild >> in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run >> vintage... >> Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in >> Texas. > The >> car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the way >> I >> presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I would >> put > a >> Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, Quantum >> Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was > warrantied >> with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a modified >> J > type >> overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by Quantum > with >> exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from >> England... > in >> the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 in >> receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run like >> you >> wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, I'm >> going > to >> run the T50.... no problem. >> I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes and > their >> sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are >> going > to >> continue to run. >> Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four caliper >> pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability > efforts... >> the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those >> who > are >> not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any >> business >> format... IMHO.... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> on the hunt... again..... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 12:41:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705A32D082E for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:41:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDECB2C0BBA for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:47:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9CHooon027251; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:50:50 -0400 Received: from core-dna003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dna003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.210.201]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B3C3FE00008C; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Gt6steve@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:50:49 -0400 (EDT) To: n197tr4@cs.com, vangoughv@hotmail.com, igofaster@att.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350064250; bh=20O+OL1yBeXGmfqNZ9xw+rsL0s1EH6zvRz9ZgZNkGxU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P00vB8tmqbSHgNowTeUs7nlwffBaH0QyfrB5bkTNz1N0Yd9Vo+dJu6J/OtL6amvGJ gdIEorI44uPDk+AvoVMYdqcaEbo7OZJNWb822WgaQHah6AIE9ZfvSyPX9p3I4nLGpF kCG0v4Z0jl8XA5EsmIHhT9gsNX0o5WnLEmwHFaLE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c507858790184 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 15 years ago, at least, I replaced the GT6 gearbox in my racer with a TR6 box. I was breaking a stock trans EVERY race! The new box was a Triumph piece and carried a 40 pound weight penalty. I declared it to my club and they were happy to see me on the grid and on the podium. A good solution all round. I doubt I could justify a five speed to myself or the scrutineers. In a message dated 10/12/2012 10:42:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n197tr4@cs.com writes: Back in the 90s I removed and replaced Ed Ceilley's GT6 gearbox three times while at Moroso and Sebring in two weekends of racing. Twice it was in the rain and three inches of water on the ground. I would vote for 'GEAR BOXES FREE', especially with GT6s We seem to be doing quite well with our TR3/4 TRANSMISSIONS, or I would consider one of the Toyota conversions. If there were any restrictions placed on a major component, among ourselves, I would make the engine conform to the old rules. But that is not likely to happen....and I am OK with that. (I think ours does conform and that's largely an economic decision) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Well said Bobby, I agree 100%. Once Im through my 3rd triumph gearbox Brutus is getting a T9 which is the same ratio as the gt6 box just stronger. This is not a performance advantage, it's common sense, just as group 44 upgraded the axles on the gt6 in the day to for reliability and safety. Aren't we all unhappy to see our fellow racers leave a race weekend early due to mechanical failures. I'd rather have my buddy dicing and even showing me up than be racing alone because his car failed for reasons that could have been prevented. IMHO Vince Garrett #144 GT6+ (BRUTUS) Have a great weekend everyone! On 2012-10-12, at 11:23 AM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. And, when > you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the opportunity to be at > speed in these cars. > The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've really > hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection between you and > your car is toxic. > Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. > Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far as > sanctioning rules. > Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern gearboxes for > example. > Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of variance > to vintage spirit. > > I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my third rebuild > in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run vintage... > Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in Texas. The > car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the way I > presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I would put a > Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, Quantum > Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was warrantied > with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a modified J type > overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by Quantum with > exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from England... in > the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 in > receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run like you > wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, I'm going to > run the T50.... no problem. > I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes and their > sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are going to > continue to run. > Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four caliper > pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability efforts... > the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those who are > not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any business > format... IMHO.... > > Bobby Whitehead > > on the hunt... again..... > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 13:10:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389FD2D081A for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7082D080B for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 19:13:17 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 19:13:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 19:13:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 58511 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2012 19:13:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350155596; bh=5VqUCgdCjVbm25OnKSTZpX3NVJ4MCEkvVc4zs3As37o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f58EvBbZzheRyt1tnRJfazXJInEpokA7A3JiuUi3h+RsLqFjOBxd04THNadUYvNKTxXBZYODPjkEIZk1BP2rRkNBuo1eHZ+dDrtMYpZ1IlXgTfBJyZPR70JD7DiYHbH2KMluw7VqW1XLSK/PNc/DyBEsOqwI5lCkqdNxBX/oXyc= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KZcD18LU+P03x1mO51zfgMdlBqmytFs3bVomjWcWHWIDa0nGbR7DkL8PCBFIV2uHZwZLtqkTLwqCucvHnOCF/FgG7Skx1Ync4HWx/O0vXmkHMRFrNOfnW3UioIL0sJ75pQTogmxKqDZSue9F3QVXlBfNuRETdfkQqxLePPGazsU=; XrDWv2QkiPrqJra1F3k.tmXtE7fA9iaQKJZIwaLRdIoLPu7Npgi3o8GmvByr 80V660EXY2Y86xGbB.Pmk56uvxySFTn2VZY5E4UyolkQ_9NEXK.V2Cci1RPe ptUEdJ7au1SkOc9ADZSI1mC3A6jJelViVf.IKrhO7g3vOti9_d_iU_P0gCS_ p6fNyOAJ3CH3_ZXhm7dFo3g6SsRV8grvIPTlihAKLsr5nALlxeb2A5akw02g rA9HuzB0Fs2.qeEdLkIfbcAxv4vh2_xAqXgKMk4ugQX5ITpeq3v8jRNcPU6p c4.V1Fz9epM.xkqPZca4qbtyPpSLpIzCIyYAPPUF3mBKWWxeGaT7oJ0vQRfQ tSqxUJTYJSnezpMj4u55Yw4hTJWcp4e3YddmY9E2mDNCld6zLYq2DbLWzftm Aq21MMAOjF3ZYpV_NWoxtNMBIGR3wiAMGCHx_jHOZDuyBIh7C8OUxujBf Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:13:15 PDT dGhhdCdzIGFub3RoZXIgY2FuIG9mIHdvcm1zLi4uIGJ1dCAsIHJlYWxseSAsIGlmIGEgU3ByaWRnZXQgZ3V5IHdhbnRzIHRvIHNwZW5kIAokNjAwMCBmb3IgYSBkb2dib3ggc2V0IG9mIGdlYXJzLCBpdCBpcyBzdGlsbCBhIHJlbGlhYmlsaXR5IGlzc3VlLCB3aXRoIHNvbWUgCnBvdGVudGlhbCBmb3IgYSBnYWluIGluIHNwZWVkLi4uLgpqdXN0IG5vICdjcnVpc2UgY29udHJvbCcgLCB0aGF0J3Mgd2hlcmUgSSB3b3VsZCBkcmF3IHRoZSBsaW5lLi4uLgoKZ3JlYXQgZGlzY3Vzc2lvbnMgb24gdGhlIHRocmVhZCABMAEBAQE- References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> <000601cda8bd$a6ff58d0$f4fe0a70$@com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:13:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: MadMarx Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net that's another can of worms... but , really , if a Spridget guy wants to spend $6000 for a dogbox set of gears, it is still a reliability issue, with some potential for a gain in speed.... just no 'cruise control' , that's where I would draw the line.... great discussions on the thread btw..... thanks to you friends of Triumph! Bobby ________________________________ From: MadMarx To: BillDentin@aol.com; ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, October 12, 2012 4:08:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS I can shift my dogbox without clutch. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Amici... With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee arthritis issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should fit in the original TR3 tranny case. Bill (Damdinger) PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not sure what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 13:14:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27AB2D0834 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341242D07F9 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:14:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 19:17:59 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.120] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 19:17:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 19:17:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 2318 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2012 19:17:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350155878; bh=PVLq9FdrEqg+M5uDEj1Fg4BsFWM+gx6sJg8fhtUEAms=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1h6QvglrXgVi3Zs5tqSzzcJ7OP1gEYiZfaYjEtoP03TPebqnOcQTom98uS460/xT14j9jVsoiZcVh1JCeS6h1HlFBXP4BuYj+C0lrEYn8n5yY9UKAZDFPabpy0fyP7pWuuvMS3O74nympZbzPmE8y5xUh+ZTABRaA+FCbDSNtSE= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rn9OQFpS3P7cdjVN9oyPvB6I8wRa+bkAKAUg+pMhluUMVeros3BLigQiQ6GiRkzIHnpeNRiphYmdJMmMs+KVT9uTTu7fGcvbm29rVVa0uVWfxaG8ENeVV7PsKYV1m37eRgj9CPytCMgQodjXMgtiZ1MOEQul8dHtW1MKf1J2GeU=; 4ol74gn3mLKa38TqSxnmuiA11NS2uGep_pulgVK2jRSPFW6murYQ_BNv3uHR eiibTv3fEn5HVpNwfTcPRe2hbf1SLi1IqcElwwwDRIOiT5Pn8JR49CXhA7aw vcYEdK2UZEePgakrxZqvUP0xHrVnVuMtGXTF6zBGddmwfZa9N.zCn3a4dDSw kOTIsXR4pl4XoPncIJ8pf5tPCBaWMaBmzk7V.ohhTT_aFvYN0vGphKLYDfBK U7wCdqQXQ07oMNc1hwiNUcuKVlIAP2tyedpuwoxBCo7J7bAyGRYfHAHyNZDB alEtBtIXvVGQ8BaeTt7EdQUvxzmlvWa5EepvAFA8.6sUo4DDgOVYD4cwwW6W Jhh6l.iSPXXyDbi28.dKL.DPWOH6FNuKuWRXO3mKv4I1XwV7b2e5wcjVetiA lyZRIZTjP9Wa.fhMKvDTVZVdnwTELBTihDg7j2tEJyxskXAJVM8y8u6Q- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:17:58 PDT c29tZXRpbWVzIG1pbmUgc2hpZnRzIGl0c2VsZiBpbnRvICJCIiAuLi4uIGJyb2tlLi4uLgoKQm9iYnkKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCkZyb206IEJpbGwgQmFiY29jayA8cG9ub2JpbGxAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogTWFkTWFyeCA8dHI0cmFjaW5nQGdvb2dsZW1haWwuY29tPgpDYzogcG9ub2JpbGxAZ21haWwuY29tOyBmb3RAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKU2VudDogRnJpLCBPY3RvYmVyIDEyLCAyMDEyIDQ6MTg6MzEgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtGb3RdIFJhY2luZyBhIFRyaXUBMAEBAQE- References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com> <000601cda8bd$a6ff58d0$f4fe0a70$@com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Bill Babcock Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net sometimes mine shifts itself into "B" .... broke.... Bobby ________________________________ From: Bill Babcock To: MadMarx Cc: ponobill@gmail.com; fot@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, October 12, 2012 4:18:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Wait a minute, I thought you were blessed with fine stock parts. When did they build TRs with Dog Boxes. And YES, I shift mone without the clutch 50% of the time. On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I can shift my dogbox without clutch. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 22:49 > An: ponobill@gmail.com; kaskas@cox.net > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > Amici... > > With all of this talk about transmissions, and my serious hip/knee arthritis > issues, what would really interest me is an automatic. Anyone know of any > options open to me there? I tend to be a Purist, so hopefully it should fit > in the original TR3 tranny case. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > PS Actually, I don't know about over here, but back in the day over in > Europe, they did run some automatic transmissions in race cars. The way I > understand it, David Hobbs family built automatic transmissions. I am not > sure what they went into, but I am going to guess Jaguar as the Tornado Cars > Works racing logs we have talk about racing against the 'Hobbs Jag'. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 13:25:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A002D0820 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401A12D081A for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.247.144.146] (16.sub-174-254-116.myvzw.com [174.254.116.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9DJRaxj005152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:27:39 -0400 References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> <7933D72A28114EAFA3FD28E8AA5F5697@hpd530> <005501cda895$88e03180$9aa09480$@rr.com> <000301cda93c$6154c610$23fe5230$@rr.com> From: John Hasty Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:27:34 -0400 To: Vince G a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qFPakLkvg+Q/gonaEGL97A==:17 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=H_aeFjEwYVUa2rQerbcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=bN0AFQNauC-NVhy2:21 a=1VSfVk94gISk-Mcp:21 a=qFPakLkvg+Q/gonaEGL97A==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good grief the VDCA Dec race at Savannah is usually in the 60's or mid 50's. 19 is out of the question for me. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Vince G wrote: > Wow. I'm 300 miles north and it's about the same temp > > Have a great time gents! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-10-13, at 8:16 AM, "Spitfire Racing" > wrote: > >> OUCH!!! >> >> It was 19 degrees at my place this morning with a heavy frost. Couldn't be >> much different at the Glen. Supposed to warm up to high forties in the >> afternoon..................... Sessions start at 8:30 when the projected >> temp should be 28-32 degrees according to the web. This is where the guys >> with closed cars and heaters smile a lot! >> >> Dave's TR4 should be all set. I had all the parts he needed. >> >> Russ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Spitfire Racing >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:21 PM >> To: 'Bill Tobin'; 'Scott Janzen'; 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen >> >> I think I have them covered and they're on their way to me which is only 40 >> minutes from the Glen. >> Bring warm clothing. Beside the rain we've had a few fast moving hail > storms >> and also flurries most of the morning! Windy too. >> >> Russ Moore >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Bill Tobin >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:53 AM >> To: Scott Janzen; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen >> >> Scott, are they the same as a TR6? >> I'm coming up tonight or tomorrow AM. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Janzen" >> To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:18 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Tr4 urgent need at Watkins Glen >> >> >>> Help - Dave Millers' tr4 broke a rocker shaft pedestal stud in the first >>> session this morning and bent the rocker shaft. Anybody with parts in the >>> area? Russ? >>> >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 13:41:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA162D0831 for ; 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FoT Triumph Sent: Sat, October 13, 2012 9:28:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Friends, If you upgrade everything that could fail-it would not be vintage let alone the spirit of vintage racing. John Hagen On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Vince G wrote: > Well said Bobby, I agree 100%. > Once Im through my 3rd triumph gearbox Brutus is getting a T9 which is the > same ratio as the gt6 box just stronger. This is not a performance advantage, > it's common sense, just as group 44 upgraded the axles on the gt6 in the day > to for reliability and safety. > > Aren't we all unhappy to see our fellow racers leave a race weekend early due > to mechanical failures. I'd rather have my buddy dicing and even showing me > up than be racing alone because his car failed for reasons that could have > been prevented. > > IMHO > > Vince Garrett > #144 GT6+ (BRUTUS) > > Have a great weekend everyone! > > > On 2012-10-12, at 11:23 AM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > >> I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. And, > when >> you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the opportunity to > be at >> speed in these cars. >> The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've > really >> hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection between you > and >> your car is toxic. >> Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. >> Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far as >> sanctioning rules. >> Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern gearboxes > for >> example. >> Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of > variance >> to vintage spirit. >> >> I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my third > rebuild >> in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run vintage... >> Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in Texas. > The >> car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the way I >> presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I would put > a >> Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, Quantum >> Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was > warrantied >> with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a modified J > type >> overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by Quantum > with >> exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from England... > in >> the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 in >> receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run like you >> wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, I'm going > to >> run the T50.... no problem. >> I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes and > their >> sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are going > to >> continue to run. >> Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four caliper >> pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability > efforts... >> the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those who > are >> not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any business >> format... IMHO.... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> on the hunt... again..... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 13:43:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0896F2C0B33 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1106F2D0830 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u3so2722846wey.14 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:46:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=9+jUF1Avj3e46sXV2Yqg8xrhGnXbo7WH28qj56mhRdA=; b=Y/lDeYaVr3HM6sJYNLermRxgHeQfKyEPu3fM+NIatVpLLtyujFNiGfNopzmrSczuXp UJu2JQtxrsxu4blo3btTEJRPPoX/CRvT4RRRI+QFxdO6znSus76LXVPZ7fGpgLeGJ+qV WUcQUtX0glkUZoE5HwpUCjU+w3DZN8H1j/kA4vnSQIu2bbF5UCMZjzNlT1SXgJDBzgha netKv6lNrsARv0jGbdLEU/6iJm+ghL0TmNboeA0h4cZkSKzP8d3p50ODHuGvMbhNgL5A tV35Vei9cmXgyfeR/c0Zd4MKsZ+D+y8T3MsZzpWb7mC6OlqIEMfMa3e76V7tLYam2Biq jnvg== Received: by 10.180.101.230 with SMTP id fj6mr13686650wib.16.1350157601623; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.171.23.10]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v3sm5368048wiy.5.2012.10.13.12.46.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> <7933D72A28114EAFA3FD28E8AA5F5697@hpd530> <005501cda895$88e03180$9aa09480$@rr.com> <000301cda93c$6154c610$23fe5230$@rr.com> <4FB79177-0802-45BF-B78E-72CFC0053125@gdhs.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:46:20 +0200 Thread-index: Ac2peRJ+gWdZ2Bn6TpyfbfOO/Ibf4gAAkyWQ Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://youtu.be/prN8uyiSntE _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 13:58:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEE22D083B for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:58:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC7F2D0830 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id t2so3658747qcq.14 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:01:41 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=W1/7v/77hhgDIEKC+/vXpJU3TGoNFayOsh8TqUYFTCU=; b=oQghGd9et1jMwjQavv4xUyyg7Oux9YIcLQAow+/LmgaWU5sN94Ig7yWrZZbsR2Z9WU NS4/nqwd/sY55gnb5n06AenskLKseWVqascauTVmL3C3NM+CkbTeO1X3+N6SuxnJc4D+ qSsNjh5SutpFd6eHYLxIEZtn+BvuTiOo9c93Ne3fO2rGQHjHFlf7rdgTSY1T3nmOfLs1 30zhokvrxWWDvRO7mGdK8If0xDeVUbH70Gh3zDAXX2Hn6jAy/ATGaBRJXh0gZ+xIabOX hKnt320MzE8thO2Y8A9+944miL5gCPw6KR/zK5rd3OEgpDJwf0zfROfhQp+StgmCea1F nQ4w== Received: by 10.224.179.197 with SMTP id br5mr13383902qab.34.1350158500938; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.169 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> <7933D72A28114EAFA3FD28E8AA5F5697@hpd530> <005501cda895$88e03180$9aa09480$@rr.com> <000301cda93c$6154c610$23fe5230$@rr.com> <4FB79177-0802-45BF-B78E-72CFC0053125@gdhs.com> <001e01cda97b$6c82b7b0$45882710$@com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:01:40 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: MadMarx Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. B. You really are "MAD"... That looks nuts. C. Whoops. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, MadMarx wrote: > http://youtu.be/prN8uyiSntE > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 14:19:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95BC2D0868 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3202D0840 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:19:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u3so2734329wey.14 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:22:25 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=uTXFbkE5pWfnuyACU3V2iOxw+YUQdFglLzo/G1Ir5s8=; b=tUQ0lIWFILblLhU3yVeWSNuadeT628KcSmnFCahqFTr9YJX00/mCki/S9oiL/q8N/m vAoG9yJXrkoVAbcK+56BLU9ycoDaLcas1rNxkFOI63e71LtILQLFjFs/A2Xv4bAKBAIn nlOhFm5b4ItWOg3f5k7q88VU6zNzTLpBHkLd6144sjznw+XizPjppCXOdkaK3ap2uuo9 iXfv7s8cP2Hxs/wE6xQfEgDWAziq4JxtASHdU69xqp2WG5UrV/TAa+WXbmo2skxGDXra tuJqIWyEhUwgqAHOQiUBwkdGai05d6e1ZbU7pj3RKVOh/VKWu7a7T1K5B16C+a0LG1hk +xmQ== Received: by 10.216.140.11 with SMTP id d11mr4381109wej.29.1350159745129; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.171.23.10]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ct3sm4897482wib.5.2012.10.13.13.22.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:22:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> <7933D72A28114EAFA3FD28E8AA5F5697@hpd530> <005501cda895$88e03180$9aa09480$@rr.com> <000301cda93c$6154c610$23fe5230$@rr.com> <4FB79177-0802-45BF-B78E-72CFC0053125@gdhs.com> <001e01cda97b$6c82b7b0$45882710$@com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:22:03 +0200 Thread-index: Ac2pfZBE/y96bPERRMSBhhRR0kIPDgAArl1Q Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had a look on the engine. The 4th cylinder doesnt move anymore. Doesnt look too good in this case. Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason@multivintage.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 22:02 An: MadMarx Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. B. You really are "MAD"... That looks nuts. C. Whoops. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, MadMarx wrote: http://youtu.be/prN8uyiSntE _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 15:16:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201B72D0868 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFC62D083D for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u3so2751820wey.14 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:19:31 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=69wYgkqtfZS78iaqFQ99jQYItTbao7+8CZ/eH0lXNrE=; b=hrnN+xEkQbz58yTFv0LXD3wyLkZx+JZ/z0Kucsq3qucCN2faLqn5bZmys4Ns3mk+Rz +IjDBtwuJhPlIEYMzfKuyh0OG3RcN307Se1A5MZRCKanUD2nsLwoRMMlvoh6/hV148Qn HDoWAjgR0xeqoxaQrKuuKWriHv6wAqktReH1lEO3DkfKkejkgRGmfLgpMgqD8UNvzHtc 34alc6/qVgoInfQna7Sux1gGSyxZmDZwWZVtMighJ2mSU1B1kMvkcTr5HLQV6OywCfTN NNJQ7PFAADqDod48tI05p9FXCMJyqbAndpMPmbAU9/EN9FOKxb8Tz1H1khNKK/hMSjtb L46Q== Received: by 10.180.83.101 with SMTP id p5mr14019062wiy.2.1350163171552; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.171.23.10]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cu1sm5146584wib.6.2012.10.13.14.19.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Tony Drews'" References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> <7933D72A28114EAFA3FD28E8AA5F5697@hpd530> <005501cda895$88e03180$9aa09480$@rr.com> <000301cda93c$6154c610$23fe5230$@rr.com> <4FB79177-0802-45BF-B78E-72CFC0053125@gdhs.com> <001e01cda97b$6c82b7b0$45882710$@com> <002801cda980$69dc84a0$3d958de0$@com> <5079d9fb.e1cb440a.0c4a.69faSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:19:10 +0200 Thread-index: Ac2ph+WF0hiUskZmRUm58f9BDZLE4AAADOkA Content-Language: de Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It seems the piston deck cracked off as I can push down the piston and the crank rotation pushes it up again. And I see a few drips of water....so maybe the head was smashed by that. I'll see. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 23:15 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Ouch. Tony At 03:22 PM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >I had a look on the engine. > >The 4th cylinder doesnt move anymore. > >Doesnt look too good in this case. > > > > > >Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason@multivintage.com] >Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 22:02 >An: MadMarx >Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph >Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > > > >A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. > >B. You really are "MAD"... That looks nuts. > >C. Whoops. > > > >Jason Ostrowski > >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, MadMarx wrote: > >http://youtu.be/prN8uyiSntE >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 18:23:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678282D08A9 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227422D0887 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:23:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.22.217]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MBU00E6LX85GA60@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:26:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Charles WATSON" References: <744e.1e77db76.3da9dc2d@aol.com>, <000601cda8bd$a6ff58d0$f4fe0a70$@com>, , <000701cda8c1$e6ae9cd0$b40bd670$@com>, <94B5687A-5DAC-4D95-A540-D9B9FB7D9941@charter.net>, <000b01cda8c2$969f3370$c3dd9a50$@com>, Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:26:27 -0400 Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS GT6 REBUILD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just got back from the Glen; pretty nippy but nice. re: transmissions: SVRA's Jack Whoerle (sp) told us a couple years ago that because OD's were used in the day, we can use a 5 speed gearbox, but 5th has to be less than 1:1. Other organizations will tell you the same thing. I've used the same gearbox for 6 years now with no problems. Yes, I run towards the back of the pack, but always have someone to dice with. And I'm having a great time. And not spending a fortune doing it. The "Redhead" has had a total of 2 DNF's in the 6 years of driving it, and they were in the first 2 races I ever did. Not bad. My $.02 worth. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS GT6 REBUILD >I think I started all this muckracking, so a question to help me out based >on > what I'm hearing: > > "Facts" > - The GT6 trans was good when new, but really unreliable now after 40 > years > - Suitable alternatives are TR 3/4/6, T9 or various Toyota > - I have a typical spec GT6 4-spd with overdrive > > Questions: > - Am I better off swapping the base unit out during the build or giving it > a > chance? > - Is OD of any use? > - From my read of regs, a five speed is allowed as an alternative when > replacing a 4spd OD unit, as long as 5th gear is < a 1.1 ratio. If so, > what's > my best option? > > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 20:07:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E3F2D08F8 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 297782D08CB for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:04:59 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1350180492; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=qutS3qncu1B1VTKAwlIYtu8K1h+DWVARSxF5Xv5VU1FGS5/utksjjPVsQHi7oYh6v G0pHm0ORtzz1N7BmcBeXStnP7b30US+e5C3xYIY50Fm/UHJfCN8TPCmJn48voSnvDF 7CtDYvzn6W+M4kQhw6HgGm4hSZvqu01th3I++sMc= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABJHWHV8AU8EKWS for (sender ); Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jaboruch@netzero.net) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SLY7GDNB; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:07:18 PDT Received: from [76.24.34.192] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 02:07:03 GMT From: "Joe Boruch" Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 02:07:03 GMT To: lang@isis.mit.edu Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, SCCA road racing production car specs for TR3-6 allow the use of any 5 speed transmission, as a replacement for the stock tranny/OD. So a T5 is fine and that is what I have been using for about 10 years. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:54:49 -0400 (EDT) > On 2012-10-12, at 2:04 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > >> Interestingly enough, the SVRA G3 rules say that transmissions can be >> replaced with 5 speed units; however, the TR3,4 6 etc. rules say that stock >> transmission should be used???? I have asked for them to consider the >> issue.... Like the song says: "same as it ever was". When you're scared of the competition, you torque the rules to your advantage. ;-) In SCCA club racing, you can use alternate transmissions and alternate gear sets, but you cannot run overdrive on a non-standard gearbox. God knows why... a T5 (or whatever) with a normal O/D 5th gear offers exactly NO advantage other than reliability. Oddly, in SCCA Solo - when the various "Street" classes were created (about 10 or 12 years ago), they specifically exclude Triumphs. Gee, I wonder why? c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ----- ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 03:22:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E94D2D0909 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234BC2D0902 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ed3so2552990wgb.20 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 02:25:47 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=9ATksUaFVOPb4PLB3UdLzqUYivKSEw1QT8OJ/e4Km60=; b=HXDDzDY1MpLE7kFg0iONzTgp6tZfiA5jMdcuSnAJnhEMHQ+N+vcFoJJOlJ++mAouQF aQ33jjaxKDn+udcE8rm/CLDx34XdveswfjZlka+Arq+cTrSys0Zzj2kRLwvTOSWQyRQK niWKprgpi0vfBJh9AZV3epBFkMqmLMfkN9vwHUqGypPa2zGGWB9U5cqKkmZQ+SvA9g7C aZSt95ICvsWAH+4pbYVZgApR+T0+bc9XQaneeAKezWdpebf2TI0Z/OKixcBk9Vx7e3uV KZSwch81SyAuN8gZLZl/Q880OxI5TO9aenq4CGpvb/ycCSQ1dfYxknvXapiZSuX3jd/4 Qaag== Received: by 10.180.91.169 with SMTP id cf9mr16709721wib.1.1350206746895; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 02:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.171.18.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j8sm7613524wiy.9.2012.10.14.02.25.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Oct 2012 02:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Jason Ostrowski'" References: <8AD5E52C-D28B-4100-BF37-D50AC1AD9DB5@me.com> <7933D72A28114EAFA3FD28E8AA5F5697@hpd530> <005501cda895$88e03180$9aa09480$@rr.com> <000301cda93c$6154c610$23fe5230$@rr.com> <4FB79177-0802-45BF-B78E-72CFC0053125@gdhs.com> <001e01cda97b$6c82b7b0$45882710$@com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:25:45 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2pfZBE/y96bPERRMSBhhRR0kIPDgAcAOGw Content-Language: de Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. The passenger seat is a stock seat. The top of the seat is about 2 away from the camera. The tubular frame seat is not moving very much but with this close camera behind it looks as it would move 10 around which is not true. Cheers Chris Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason@multivintage.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 22:02 An: MadMarx Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. B. You really are "MAD"... That looks nuts. C. Whoops. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, MadMarx wrote: http://youtu.be/prN8uyiSntE _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 10:44:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6493F2D0992 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BCA2D097C for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E0E151C000044 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mse005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.81]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AED7EE00008E for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.99) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:45:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350233158; bh=lkJGFnbgCml1TxcSL/aVbMqArx2ZYRpjnL2rQN754gQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NVuVr2O9sYhFR2ZIUjeK660sdJHg+g5bMOwzHckTFbXFcRS5/mTykvrYOKjyv45vP uDZH9oJr40PmPEukNWN4BkQATy5A1VQKdURNkb1nOCCvUiwwrHHl6oGUQmshdBAoZV hdVUNzdK1AwjwdOZiMcqV9IWin3lZEcw/xghVgzs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949507aec466fe6 Subject: [Fot] REPAIR PANELS FOR TR4 FRONT FENDER/LOWER AVAILABLE LOW COST OFFERING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT Working with Keith Niehaus, Keith developed the tooling to produce subject repair panels. The first production run is complete. Keith is a master craftsman in manufacturing engineering and car restoration....he did Uncle Jack's "OLD BLUE", the restoration on my TR3A, and some of the major steel fabrications for the AMBRO. If you have a need for repair panels in this area of your TR4/TR250, contact us. Successful launch of this new product will likely lead to more panels, like the 'dog leg' leading edge of the rear TR4 fender. Also under development is the repair panels for the TR6. This is the initial offering of these panels and will be sold at an 'introductory price'. NOTE: If anyone is going to be at the VTR Convention, we plan to display them there. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 11:53:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E152D09C2 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DC82D09BB for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:53:38 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=noTKeuB4T9jUhWRpaM9AF38kFJo79etif8lTpRTa6GpqTjmY2tzJeNnvVaPCkm/8; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.36] (helo=elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TNSQU-00065j-Af; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:56:34 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:56:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:56:34 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: MadMarx Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I felt sorry for your car from the start of that video. ~S -----Original Message----- >From: MadMarx >Sent: Oct 14, 2012 2:25 AM >To: 'Jason Ostrowski' >Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > >A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. > > > >The passenger seat is a stock seat. The top of the seat is about 2 away >from the camera. > >The tubular frame seat is not moving very much but with this close camera >behind it looks as it would move 10 around which is not true. > > > >Cheers > >Chris > > > >Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason@multivintage.com] >Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 22:02 >An: MadMarx >Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph >Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > > > >A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. > >B. You really are "MAD"... That looks nuts. > >C. Whoops. > > > >Jason Ostrowski > >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, MadMarx wrote: > >http://youtu.be/prN8uyiSntE >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 13:33:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AFF2D09E6 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com (mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FA42D09E2 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id k11so1035108eaa.14 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:35:30 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=yHVA2CcDYKhmTC2GZVdakCXovBlDtJjgE72cn0j47+g=; b=oyUXXal05UO3GJBctrwlIu3F3PbwlGgpOf2So9xRvBRMMwKt0v44uMaETWTEYTXOGF evzZUgD9yfswT3RU5MyyUQ6UCWq1U1kyWbOtIG2dzWwXZVCfu51xxjVq62JaCAzoMFFf zLKSSb/dk/yGSzEZLn75k9IVyYu7QLqmOwROYpGUeVKSG4nnALeuOTSsTNS/7afcNKb3 XJ0eZA+GlMxPS4f8m63AzOkGbhj7tN0CfZzGi7mL0HWn4L5J/pExjd5BM+XngoPT3B89 5472ykWIS5xyzh13nBQ0QTaAMN8DkwyaC0sgRkZOmViln/jcylc/SRek3t+h1zh26Nzw A2yg== Received: by 10.14.200.134 with SMTP id z6mr13097698een.33.1350243330518; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g5sm21678735eem.4.2012.10.14.12.35.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "steve" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:35:20 +0000 Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Why? 6500 rpm should be no problem for a racing engine. I suspect the Dijon race as cause for the cracked piston. On the finish straight at 6200 rpm the OD suddenly disengaged. The tach showed 7600 rpm as max. Maybe that fatigued the piston? ------Originalnachricht------ Von: steve An: MadMarx Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Antwort an: steve Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Gesendet: 14. Okt. 2012 19:56 I felt sorry for your car from the start of that video. ~S -----Original Message----- >From: MadMarx >Sent: Oct 14, 2012 2:25 AM >To: 'Jason Ostrowski' >Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > >A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. > > > >The passenger seat is a stock seat. The top of the seat is about 2 away >from the camera. > >The tubular frame seat is not moving very much but with this close camera >behind it looks as it would move 10 around which is not true. > > > >Cheers > >Chris > > > >Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason@multivintage.com] >Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 22:02 >An: MadMarx >Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph >Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > > > >A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. > >B. You really are "MAD"... That looks nuts. > >C. Whoops. > > > >Jason Ostrowski > >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, MadMarx wrote: > >http://youtu.be/prN8uyiSntE >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 14:12:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78092D09FA for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311F22D09E6 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:12:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so5333504oag.14 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:15:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uv9zDIy2M6CL8VcocN2uTQ0qB5LwDfXvAIOOmVdyf8I=; b=IBCr8CMUX3RgjUhUIkaJy8lQLtgXaDcy2zpkUNFkxPUeSmjbJnQXUTgR7/z8Qzxzlc b/BaDS64gnR1M9ZFaq+AXQ3/m/k5I4CHuVS1o0/xfyVvsxCs3z8JnSq2RnDMKWeOGe6i o6cgu0GUAqmrjcqkcouXn25zPBnEMAu2ZimvgZj5wPFfwbW3A7e0hDCQXsjXtimD3THP +JMiBodHFmWpcqXti9Hw0cFIC/nq0oKRnr9ZFPbFIedYhS0f+2BTj254XR7iEzD4WaaB s+HdlCWkJgk2OY66bAwcxZ9AsJrHldEn0mBb/a/MpchbVwqiutmO1AI84sE2SxFKzGJs BN1A== Received: by 10.182.245.20 with SMTP id xk20mr8012954obc.89.1350245726549; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.98.226 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:15:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <20121014193315.B0A1C2D0A1E@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 16:15:26 -0400 From: John Styduhar To: tr4racing@googlemail.com Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I watched your video again and didn't see 7600 rpm on your on-screen tach. Where did you get that? On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, wrote: > Why? > 6500 rpm should be no problem for a racing engine. > I suspect the Dijon race as cause for the cracked piston. > On the finish straight at 6200 rpm the OD suddenly disengaged. The tach > showed 7600 rpm as max. > Maybe that fatigued the piston? > > > ------Originalnachricht------ > Von: steve > An: MadMarx > Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' > Antwort an: steve > Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > Gesendet: 14. Okt. 2012 19:56 > > I felt sorry for your car from the start of that video. > > ~S > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: MadMarx > >Sent: Oct 14, 2012 2:25 AM > >To: 'Jason Ostrowski' > >Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' > >Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > > > >A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. > > > > > > > >The passenger seat is a stock seat. The top of the seat is about 2 away > >from the camera. > > > >The tubular frame seat is not moving very much but with this close camera > >behind it looks as it would move 10 around which is not true. > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > >Chris > > > > > > > >Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason@multivintage.com] > >Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 22:02 > >An: MadMarx > >Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > >Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > > > > > > > >A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. > > > >B. You really are "MAD"... That looks nuts. > > > >C. Whoops. > > > > > > > >Jason Ostrowski > > > >Friendly Ghost Racing > > > >On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, MadMarx > wrote: > > > >http://youtu.be/prN8uyiSntE > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net > > > > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 14:19:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C022D0A14 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF612D09E2 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id c4so2911558eek.14 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:19:05 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=9jeW+4rqwgMKhOvOwenrGAJvCGT6S8inFUmSA1T9yW8=; b=v/eLBhmTFfT1xhubKeSzeP/Bp+Kn1CgPIaAC2ZmFTcirPpv2zDmdVtt2uZBxb04W8k 93WM+2pe9/DRaj0SZkiHSvuo+DTxBKAs21ACYsPFV1mWoS0rrCbJnJXtyl+3LARI9lrE QhdFsZsx+N8uaHPwt/l59RpZGsG26MBCY8p4ExBF111wmUYSakzoUIlNthKQ2j/wfjRz BsmhfJNvNSO7rHNsUTV0blODdt1Owm0XHJ6uvJZ1i5h1NMjLF6SpVwL1uMWoW2Ba+x64 nnKFtzjSxpuZg7kQGEjvupkAeD8F7ecKZC8OmWEPJ+l8HGUYds8rlC+yPR6ElQW9Rp9X vF6Q== Received: by 10.14.179.6 with SMTP id g6mr1732606eem.46.1350245945773; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s1sm21850826eem.9.2012.10.14.13.19.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:19:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <20121014193315.B0A1C2D0A1E@autox.team.net> Sensitivity: Normal To: "John Styduhar" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:19:02 +0000 Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not this video with this little roundabout. Dijon was a week before. On the wet race it happened once and at race 3 another time but not that high. But it also could be a crack that came from 4 years of use. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 16:15:26 To: Cc: steve; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... I watched your video again and didn't see 7600 rpm on your on-screen tach. Where did you get that? On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, wrote: > Why? > 6500 rpm should be no problem for a racing engine. > I suspect the Dijon race as cause for the cracked piston. > On the finish straight at 6200 rpm the OD suddenly disengaged. The tach > showed 7600 rpm as max. > Maybe that fatigued the piston? > > > ------Originalnachricht------ > Von: steve > An: MadMarx > Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' > Antwort an: steve > Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > Gesendet: 14. Okt. 2012 19:56 > > I felt sorry for your car from the start of that video. > > ~S > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: MadMarx > >Sent: Oct 14, 2012 2:25 AM > >To: 'Jason Ostrowski' > >Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' > >Subject: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > > > >A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. > > > > > > > >The passenger seat is a stock seat. The top of the seat is about 2 away > >from the camera. > > > >The tubular frame seat is not moving very much but with this close camera > >behind it looks as it would move 10 around which is not true. > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > >Chris > > > > > > > >Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason@multivintage.com] > >Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 22:02 > >An: MadMarx > >Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > >Betreff: Re: [Fot] How to slaughter you engine.... > > > > > > > >A. Shouldn't that passenger seat be bolted down. > > > >B. You really are "MAD"... That looks nuts. > > > >C. Whoops. > > > > > > > >Jason Ostrowski > > > >Friendly Ghost Racing > > > >On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, MadMarx > wrote: > > > >http://youtu.be/prN8uyiSntE > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net > > > > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 19:50:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F722C0CE0 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD1F52C0CDD for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15221 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2012 01:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2012 01:53:26 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=59968 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TNZry-00087L-J6 for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:53:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:53:25 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? Look forward to the advice. Tony Drews PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 19:59:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E632C0B8F for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0A72C0CB1 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fa10so4942651pad.14 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:56:54 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=/ymA32FzIi0paLv48VTZe7ufZ1O3xRFUvozf9zu7uRw=; b=bKsiDdYb7EbgA7cVRSv083RttZN+brA5aGbzaAQUOOGp3jVsSw+XBRCD2vEOxpGlAO Ujs/BS6lhyKY1fjR180X8HRkvJXbRU4iTA/zztjyID7xby25RCNa3H91WSigsvrvdha3 w4Y//XqpuPhmqdwFQ/+5lvW05ai/rRb4cRQSUU3uGOFG/WMgfaIL21KCH7eLX1NdSfw7 3je/LZ5n9MDlZHX1G9b3tf2Rln6KP3nqJpQ2tRSjJeGiFMJGhpGqCl8IY16vjGq24W8r oIQpdp/Q8MD2bnPSSZWgZS4cKFbuBy+4221kqglDEIhkdh8zCh6ZNSf/E8MnqZclXZiv oUbA== Received: by 10.68.226.100 with SMTP id rr4mr32955779pbc.143.1350266213944; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iq3sm8228665pbc.5.2012.10.14.18.56.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:56:51 -0700 References: <20121015015019.530402C0CDE@autox.team.net> To: Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Don't. Switch the whole thing over to Borgeson stuff. IMHO that's another thing I wouldn't leave in the hands of designers who have been dead for 40 years. On Oct 14, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. > > So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? > > Look forward to the advice. > > Tony Drews > > PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 20:46:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671352C0CAA for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 497602C0C8A for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32483 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2012 02:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2012 02:49:53 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=60607 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TNaka-0003Fv-FV; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:49:53 -0600 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:42:49 -0500 To: Bill Babcock From: Tony Drews References: <20121015015019.530402C0CDE@autox.team.net> <611160C1-1E7A-4413-A4EC-7138669B44EF@bnj.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Any clues on which borgeson stuff fits the splines on the steering rack? Looks like the shaft would be 9/16 - the only one shown is 9/16 26 spline, and the other end would need a custom shaft (I have a choice of 3/4" smooth bore or 3/4" 36 spline it appears). Looks like the attachment is more of a "set screw" type of deal. Is that better? I'd love to update to something strong and reliable. Thanks, Tony At 08:56 PM 10/14/2012, Bill Babcock wrote: >Don't. Switch the whole thing over to Borgeson stuff. IMHO that's >another thing I wouldn't leave in the hands of designers who have >been dead for 40 years. > >On Oct 14, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > > My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big > beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy > cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as > heavy duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping > onto the shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy > one and it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. > > > > So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? > > > > Look forward to the advice. > > > > Tony Drews > > > > PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 21:36:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3082C0CDE for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2202C0CCB for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:36:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rq2so5071984pbb.14 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:39:51 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=HcmpcaCVlUmz4pmF2iRyhXdtCmclIbeGCovat1OFeAs=; b=fi2xc0rPUu9pZS9byzA/3Ee+455wPktIOPxR2OkqGU+OVt1b/7jR/0wsObjJkXoUCo VBmIY4fE46rgB/YUNktEcbqvN4aUuaCemQszWry+uFnI6In6YWoD6zpaMCP66h2Du0B8 4Ofzh/PV21RwhyBshGeqiU806y2YNqdfanuPUjtYpT57yeGU4XBksDkNkkC/qgUTYbXS sscByU66gMeeo9MYM7fjZIMANqn1arGZ4SjG5n6r5Z5WPCMOoZpdKRKgnVqMcn0mHOUD IH4JD4tDrNTaWieBrJ0I8ETnSJRj8lg3k4wi+gPsvNitd0wB2tcdRaM3RFZR1v8By6ya AiIg== Received: by 10.66.78.136 with SMTP id b8mr29562731pax.26.1350272391264; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uh7sm8355049pbc.35.2012.10.14.20.39.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:39:46 -0700 References: <20121015015019.530402C0CDE@autox.team.net> <611160C1-1E7A-4413-A4EC-7138669B44EF@bnj.com> <20121015024646.60F042C0CE0@autox.team.net> To: Tony Drews Cc: Bill Babcock , fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I made an adapter from 3/4" Double D-section to the spline required for my rack. Tony Garmey reworked the setup and made it prettier and more reliable, but the adapter was just a sleeve that both bits got welded into with a good quality TIG weld. I used their nice stainless needle bearing joints and billet steel 3/4" pillow blocks. Not hard to fabricate, hell for strong, no shake and no wobble. Gotta love all that. Tony passed the shaft through the cowl roll bar -- I had it going over that. In a production car I'd use one of their firewall flange bearings and then a second block just before the first universal. I drilled dimples into the shaft and ran the setscrews into the dimples before locking everything down. Going nowhere. I've had my steering come apart on me once. I can tell you for certain it's not fun. Ain't happening again. On Oct 14, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Any clues on which borgeson stuff fits the splines on the steering rack? Looks like the shaft would be 9/16 - the only one shown is 9/16 26 spline, and the other end would need a custom shaft (I have a choice of 3/4" smooth bore or 3/4" 36 spline it appears). > > Looks like the attachment is more of a "set screw" type of deal. Is that better? > > I'd love to update to something strong and reliable. > > Thanks, Tony > > At 08:56 PM 10/14/2012, Bill Babcock wrote: >> Don't. Switch the whole thing over to Borgeson stuff. IMHO that's another thing I wouldn't leave in the hands of designers who have been dead for 40 years. >> >> On Oct 14, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >> > My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. >> > >> > So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? >> > >> > Look forward to the advice. >> > >> > Tony Drews >> > >> > PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot@autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 22:23:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6D32C0CE4 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA472C0CA3 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 04:26:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.252] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 04:26:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1065.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 04:26:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 69909 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2012 04:26:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AChIF+7SfHF1YHcRFVVDo3/V7cIjXEw0GAmJprPtSEq3n4P21l6zt8DSNVA191WaQAErkWxgJxSGn33hyWPURgBhDoAlenv2t8trk7c0Zuk1UY3FT+r5OdY8VHb8wt3oXLEayxwXk/RoKaKs5pVZ7ofgCK0NhMsl/MT7SCCSvw8= ; s=s1024; t=1350275197; bh=ZT3t08BiKsutuOimKeiGFx0/Cg2QrvZG7A7L+QMfINk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:User-Agent:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Subject:From:Date:To:Message-ID; b=NeRPtNdP6oUn6t3GITaJP32LLgPqvlL2K+l0+6VLVsgMhHlYmdeTkplGYbZ7wDj8T9SQSLRbK3AQK29gaxIDJ9Um0ynDnIgxzYY6kJobK5bOGlyzv9ml+o79hnkCSTw73sGdKMhGfA4FsLasFDP0TWjknksz9zaq94z2inz4DmM= JM_UTPryp8LVz_eSN.MD3lju85HYMHBgpvvRa6MivHqmh0tIwFDtuvre_xqx pafkQ7mSllzeG9aU9VZeNdjgaU4b_985LdSCMPXGw5fTlTgRA51SQ21xvgSq 5rst8eymZWkh4S7NLN.JM9jZeKdgCYFrJSEqvmXKKjQj1NiX0nLFjxV7nSmt pBDzSR1_8r55wM327tZCuf8ARIL_fycI5Y1AZ5Rx_1kyYzrFGfM2lkK9KpA_ U5faJJkpgBc5aqJ29aVou9qnmyVSV1s7tF2g4Ak.DY8R8F3hd8yx3yX0w_6U Bw2jhrV3WsrqBxQRHGyvOSND3wB9nuVM_lGdpWMk8pbHLvtu8ZPqfQ_VzIxq u86XeAHNDgJAVf8.VMG8mGEmD3pCojVXGeoKk679dKbKrDcTSWGLTTpWkDHb IGKZpWiypMm2fdQLABumXDbqw61C2259vJdW6sbz2OXpoel1DUrYX5o9V.At hEWOkhvSFPxa1XIDRcA-- Received: from kindle-e587a15d2 (mike.mehl@71.59.229.69 with plain) by smtp102-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2012 21:26:37 -0700 PDT References: <20121015015012.C3ADA2C0CE4@autox.team.net> User-Agent: Email for Android From: Mike Mehl Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:25:32 -0700 To: Tony Drews , fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony Look at Pegasus part number 1492-32. I put those on my car. I was worried about the rubber ones. Mike Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Tony Drews Sent: Sun Oct 14 18:53:25 PDT 2012 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? Look forward to the advice. Tony Drews PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. _____________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 22:26:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF552C0D1D for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFD02C0CA3 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fa10so5046480pad.14 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:29:51 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=BiAJhWEc+hjGFSLV8cSrISu6YqC3jXEpm7G6jKb6gF4=; b=kX6E5l/eLML4wuJWWtSRyV0jaJN9OeEWhXnmGcCv/7mhdG/bFFV71cOSp9PAGUef3y Fkbxxef526Pu2JFFThzdmeUIMeuYSAG+tt9IXs+G8qiouOsqwq9F1fcpKMpwvcRH3aQ6 EYpQ+ONyF1aoKcjvbNfyd+psHlauvmqClfLKPjU+gtbqRz/vH6M6wjuOqMp7utfhzVJn ZqmcJ0OoOc38yv3b8lmZOCDNoHveq/8qfymEsZFxJL2qphDGSUAQqXnGkLBCWcmZ+ASn z71jZtsO9KTV+AWtoQnHaLyooYX49vhNIb6YhXuqUf+x+lNTmQa84/fV7W6YKOY4OWyp JRCg== Received: by 10.66.75.73 with SMTP id a9mr29796946paw.43.1350275391558; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pw9sm8420201pbb.42.2012.10.14.21.29.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:29:46 -0700 References: <20121015015012.C3ADA2C0CE4@autox.team.net> <771cd099-24c5-4a4b-aa4e-871d8a94e45d@email.android.com> To: Mike Mehl Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net With good reason. Nothing like having those rag joints come apart--say when you're doing 100 plus and aiming straight at some ARMCO barriers in the front straight at Sears Point. The shaft size for TRs is pretty small too. On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Tony > Look at Pegasus part number 1492-32. I put those on my car. I was worried about the rubber ones. > Mike > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > > > > _____________________________________________ > From: Tony Drews > Sent: Sun Oct 14 18:53:25 PDT 2012 > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 > > > My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big > beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy > cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy > duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the > shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and > it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. > > So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? > > Look forward to the advice. > > Tony Drews > > PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. > _____________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 07:35:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239912C0D1D for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDCB2C0D11 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BPhA1k0041ZXKqc5DRaBuo; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:34:11 +0000 Received: from Desktop ([76.100.209.245]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BRbF1k00E5JDEd03hRbFtd; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:35:15 +0000 From: "Craig" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <57840ff6.12319.13a5a864d0c.Webtop.46@charter.net> <20121013145101.788312D076F@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:34:10 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2pUpz/Sxyu4nffRPaF5f2Fqo5DfABhcERQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Tony maybe the Miata club started this (too get you guys out of the way.just kidding) Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:54 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Isn't it a bit early in the fall for the annual "what is vintage?" discussion? Normally we wait until like December or January when everyone's testy from the cold weather. :) Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 07:51:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCFA2C0D19 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:51:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068452C0CBF for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 50CB91C0002D4; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.205]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0ED69E000096; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) References: <20121015015012.C3ADA2C0CE4@autox.team.net> <771cd099-24c5-4a4b-aa4e-871d8a94e45d@email.android.com> To: ponobill@gmail.com, mike.mehl@yahoo.com Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d170.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.88) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:49:32 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:49:32 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350308973; bh=pmJI/aF0kBeMJhKfzprHYv+t7Z2hYgyyImX7RSmpqvk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W8gUXbY6PTXidFINzzJh0SYeiG7B4mw6f+DRPHGyHFzQdGpLQPxTRS3Sq1+XnLG3u M5D48yRUKGDLaN+8A2zMDBaFKHj4yS3sYymlVBaH+DTpkYh3UP+rBRacSi6xqG9wUM EldSZHY8AvHwXof2Dg5lRzJMX0t3rNDHXbwd5FX4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d507c146d1936 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A pair of TR6 U-JOINTS has our replacement parts for the TR4 and Ambro. Note: I was side by side with an early Lotus 7, at the back straight at Mosport, when his steering went adrift. Interesting watching this drama unfold all of the way to the Jersey barriers. Scraping stop to some damage and no injuries from about 100 mph. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Mike Mehl Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 With good reason. Nothing like having those rag joints come apart--say when you're doing 100 plus and aiming straight at some ARMCO barriers in the front straight at Sears Point. The shaft size for TRs is pretty small too. On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Tony > Look at Pegasus part number 1492-32. I put those on my car. I was worried about the rubber ones. > Mike > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > > > > _____________________________________________ > From: Tony Drews > Sent: Sun Oct 14 18:53:25 PDT 2012 > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 > > > My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big > beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy > cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy > duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the > shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and > it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. > > So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? > > Look forward to the advice. > > Tony Drews > > PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. > _____________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 08:26:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9951F2C0CB6 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wcnet.org (mailhub.wcnet.org [64.31.64.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FD02C0CB6 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from authmail.wcnet.org (authmail.wcnet.org [64.31.64.16]) by mail.wcnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2E342B0020 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SnookPC (rrcs-98-102-104-164.central.biz.rr.com [98.102.104.164]) by authmail.wcnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A26C420706 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:29:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeff Snook" To: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:29:29 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2q4Xw400LCk5eEQoS41h2wIpat9Q== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] TR3A Parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Friends, There was some damage to my TR3A during the PVGP this past July. Glen has the car at his shop in Stuart, FL, where the repair/restoration has started. So far there are a couple things that we know for sure are needed and any help locating them would be greatly appreciated. 1. Lower valance repair panel for the front nose, to include the tray. Don't know if anyone is making a repair panel or if we have to go with a used part. Hopefully we do not have to purchase a whole nose. 2. Steering box for a 2-piece steering column set-up. New, used, serviceable? Any and all options considered. Thanks in advance! Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 09:01:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116C92C0D43 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC632C0C97 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm11.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 15:04:16 -0000 Received: from [76.13.13.231] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 15:04:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 15:04:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350313456; bh=ssDt+omf8vgyJfreArBlZAmDuUNS010m9pL+ThA9XrQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=cQ0tYIOffFtBLUPf4SAJurLntO7F4CZnmd3VPOb7nTg+kxk/pdYwfEW4lgKM27OC+sAwWdT+e6SXVraF9mKnOVRgHI4YOm0s0Pm4n/JnTkku1K8LAAOR0XAxWbr8QUyMkrdw4vycDLCC3a1DvwbHYzAfZaUPP59dikJA6wFTmgg= fb8od8wH5oDlW_bVBLFSDBA0oTQM_YWKlDMD4KUDeLK_PiNYKTW.1_.wnWxU O5tmODVuIuE.TJExpQfkX7ckaFGnvlID.vXKq2KJpJa1Ui5hwhWSbDS6G.2P MJ_aGwOcZbcIVI4TO3GVtGTIMrPKbh4BU4WzIevKfPEuP2BnqieEbaCxUYjZ Ic.BHHNe56ZGicZbMEuvmzSxFnswrmkQacLZW3sOEJk2pjCbZMARxRyjtpoR 7yXqrKy7tZgDnmK1E1GcGYlFIq868G05xi6CE3FYYPc2HR1kfLVtZJwPCUD8 sFwK.Bf_7eM1sQFN69rVWXJ4XHoS4o82O15XYDytFp76o7raszi2ctVD7HPo wOdzQ4We9wFI6dW_IvcW38rm59phZBl0Sb1dPHN4dw02n2s_Hxyni82oEtiN c_Y2PxJMFSjhsuKwLgR8fLD1sX3aRZBaX8t08thbYPMe7Pb0a60m7RyDEmUj EMOZB8buSzGBT1u2.jizAAWiR6TqKBjqVsyap42iMwiny2A-- Received: from [192.168.2.5] (Tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp110-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2012 08:04:16 -0700 PDT References: <20121015015012.C3ADA2C0CE4@autox.team.net> <771cd099-24c5-4a4b-aa4e-871d8a94e45d@email.android.com> <8CF78F30A283970-1318-DE5@webmail-d170.sysops.aol.com> From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:04:15 -0600 To: Joe Alexander Cc: "ponobill@gmail.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mine has the old rag joints and safety wire. Might want to change it out over the winter. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > A pair of TR6 U-JOINTS has our replacement parts for the TR4 and Ambro. > > Note: I was side by side with an early Lotus 7, at the back straight at > Mosport, when his steering went adrift. Interesting watching this drama unfold > all of the way to the Jersey barriers. Scraping stop to some damage and no > injuries from about 100 mph. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: Mike Mehl > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 11:30 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 > > > With good reason. Nothing like having those rag joints come apart--say when > you're doing 100 plus and aiming straight at some ARMCO barriers in the front > straight at Sears Point. > > The shaft size for TRs is pretty small too. > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > >> Tony >> Look at Pegasus part number 1492-32. I put those on my car. I was > worried > about the rubber ones. >> Mike >> >> Sent from my Kindle Fire >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> From: Tony Drews >> Sent: Sun Oct 14 18:53:25 PDT 2012 >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 >> >> >> My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big >> beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy >> cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy >> duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the >> shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and >> it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. >> >> So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? >> >> Look forward to the advice. >> >> Tony Drews >> >> PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. >> _____________________________________________ >> >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 11:13:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C622D0182 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD1E2C0C9D for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:11:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9FHEh6a017575 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:14:46 -0400 Received: from core-msc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.205]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 90F01E0000A9 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:14:39 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d170.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.88) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:14:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:14:39 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350321286; bh=XCjDk/6dBzo1wnMpnnJeFAyhjTbHZlqJbtolP18tlVY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iH00FyKE7O5bYnER8SFjtsQnuf2qTWrGRIY1ip3rlOvI18eIpDKBKQUM7G41Fjwn4 v8uPSM+0Y6kiI3uHNelAMfSXIfGfoAN7IPp3CXmwUbeeWv6k/U3+2RZQSCUu7VzD8g e9BdIdJ2lb8d7GAFaeNlODA6B6dXBqL0dk2UAhqM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d507c447f0faa Subject: [Fot] OSTHOFF at ROAD AMERICA - HOST HOTEL KASTNER CUP 2013 5-8 SEPTEMBER 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net LUXURY ACCOMMODATIONS AT LESS THAN HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS PRICES. Bottom line is that cost per night could be less than $100 per couple or less than $50 per person. This assume you select a 2 bedroom/2 bathroom suite and team up with another couple or friends. This can include a living room, kitchen, and other amenities. The VSCDA also has activities at the OSTHOFF, including a CAR SHOW. Kas and Peg will reside at the OSTHOFF. RESPONSES will help me estimate how many rooms to have set aside in the contract. I will likely lowball the number of suites set aside to avoid a 20% liability. The OSTHOFF tends to be in fair demand during this weekend. Thus it is not too soon to plan and reserve. Reservation Code will be FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH The OSTHOFF is on the LAKE, next to historic SIEBKENS, and only about 2 miles from ROAD AMERICA. OSTHOFF.COM Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 11:33:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D922C0D22 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C872C0D16 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 17:36:44 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.115] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 17:36:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 17:36:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 53987 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2012 17:36:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350322603; bh=6/OYMiWS6RBSZvcBNY7BIzEIMTuSZwiEMevz3mI91aI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PHj9mr8PHPU+JVfrnbjyh0Wn38SzNii3qTBm1dd3kCJY5B2XpOuA+ryMF8/uIdnOW5no82fNpcFurVnzUva3SZ0Y/JIYcM2W0w+Tm+mJyY7EI79eNBhu1MJEYtcPoaYHZ3oE89LXabhL/uHClmHfRb8ejYKuE8YizbjdOp1OEY0= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oEm0uRyN37CdO//kTMnlLKJBBaqM7IuljWzAUEztKR5Ax0TdCUQOhXgEo1ixk1il9Dt0yi9Y9hbVvrAXffs0pRMg895yeHfs0TLLT8WvLT4ZgaOklVPBfpBd2VIywKqZgKhFA7BnnByMw/cZprric0uB1eaB4ocmAqU1QE5ifl8=; F7JmW243kn_.XVf1CDTHyfirvkVng6x1ZTOFA1z4MXCGXiU9CxwaOTeG4v6y iRkNIKKfEzvfHyKK_ESsLuuH3f4AEoERLBCssnfD5MiBJZpXwoFzxjqtrtHc 3xsXkW6Hy8zvsn2qItHWYJzSPEzQHCK_5FqAjCkIEqJEs_7GSWdv9M8e01YM IkQ6VmtZbtLFxggkLPz_ibEMgHHJ8Y.MXS1.p24CG73aibGvyuo0yJO6kSa2 m7XFXQCBJAbqPaKep6AOfZQW1XVoow1j8A6GBrBpecPAnw9cCYYxWX4Jn5e4 v8MuOJYHuIIIC64Gw_SnYp89FgEWDoxVTC__f9vnwk._OqKkUQMLGRuXKhes wMcEixABc5Pyq0h0EUQ9v1yZva9tRpvRrgbt8.GruunR12cA- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:36:43 PDT UmVhbGl0eSBpcyAsIHdlIGFyZSB0cnlpbmcgdG8gbWFrZSB0aGVzZSBjYXJzIGRvIHdoYXQgdGhleSB3ZXJlIG5ldmVyICBpbnRlbmRlZCAKdG8gZG8uLi4gdGhhdCBsaXR0bGUgcmVkIGxpbmUgb24gdGhlIHRhY2ggb2YgeW91ciBUcml1bXBoIHdhcyBhICBtYXhpbXVtIG1hcmsuIApJdCB3YXMgdGhlIGxpbWl0IHlvdSBjb3VsZCBoaXQgZXZlcnkgb25jZSBpbiBhd2hpbGUuIEl0J3MgIG5vdCBsaWtlIGl0IHdhcyBtZWFudCAKZm9yIHRoZXNlIGVuZ2luZXMgdG8gcnVuIDcwMDAgcnBtIGZvciBsb25nICBkdXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] I know it's not winter topic YET Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Reality is , we are trying to make these cars do what they were never intended to do... that little red line on the tach of your Triumph was a maximum mark. It was the limit you could hit every once in awhile. It's not like it was meant for these engines to run 7000 rpm for long durations. So... with that being the obvious, it doesn't seem to be a stretch for vintage racers to noodle with what could be deemed more reliable or robust... in the name of trying to make these cars do what they were never intended to do... through history of the cars the guys and gals and teams that were trying to make them faster and safer (sometimes) pushed the envelope of a stock car... anybody wants to argue most vintage racers are stock cars simply opens on the observation of .... bull****.... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 12:21:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DF92C0D2D for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3762C0D2B for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id c4so3452967eek.14 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:24:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+exwTEYB0J7HTdL1w+D1UzCHFqSw1mcmgjQHbPekRKs=; b=p+YqoFbgTuUWMPLMXQ9kbUTHjbR6F4keKGjRho2fGZaIIc9c8OIbw0wx0mzRCgYDjl pErYuZj/MnLKFdNnESeU8sJTzNK0hEM1VMPKZ4Ku9URj+qkaqPrn7VnVCeTkgoBvxSU7 82odBwsflxgxR8sNFwM3Fx7kTQxi4IMe4NFmJKO2qZU5nS6ehYGSIRkJD018d/jKBcXs +xEtzlnhXMW44t/3v7UubIC3T9IDJZXJBQLGHYek7wadxWZ/oy5924MSe8A0MRCG/PRC hucPB8ZrC12DzT8BOracAKwePzrDSVUPgstiuu/GcWl/gGMFXO2uL3eo+m9pwIBphWFI L52g== Received: by 10.14.221.194 with SMTP id r42mr3678497eep.25.1350325453739; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.139 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:24:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <1350322603.53898.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:24:13 -0400 From: Robert Deanes To: Bobby Whitehead , Dennis DeLap Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] I know it's not winter topic YET Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net well Bobby on another subject...at VIR this past week the "Texas" crowd showed up in force with about 10 or more racers, they had a company put up a canopy that was at least 100 by 50 feet and the group surrounded it like "cowboys"...all backed up to the canopy, they had a great gruop of people and said that they knew you. We laughed that the" Texas crowd" does it bigger...and it was...the biggest canopy that I have ever seen ! Great group of racers and more than hospitable...tried to keep me there drinking and eating. Keep your chin up and your foot on the pedal...take care. rob deanes TR Racer On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Reality is , we are trying to make these cars do what they were never > intended > to do... that little red line on the tach of your Triumph was a maximum > mark. > It was the limit you could hit every once in awhile. It's not like it was > meant > for these engines to run 7000 rpm for long durations. > So... with that being the obvious, it doesn't seem to be a stretch for > vintage > racers to noodle with what could be deemed more reliable or robust... in > the > name of trying to make these cars do what they were never intended to > do... > through history of the cars the guys and gals and teams that were trying > to > make them faster and safer (sometimes) pushed the envelope of a stock > car... > anybody wants to argue most vintage racers are stock cars simply opens on > the > observation of .... bull****.... > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 12:30:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0DB2D0177 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65512C0D42 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p27so1841426qat.14 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:33:22 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Z/AFH+k26PlCjI05c/vkFxUeTZG/H2JIrToose+bb2w=; b=HJ8wY4/8Y25Y33U4Zo9FWrJ3CuTdd3rYKbVf3Z9FEdR3I+ylDhOM0FcnZnyyJxYPMS n2QKG4nX/RBaVaIbm9IkEaUasA17tv6WMn076Ah9LSeaVkqg7hQe2P34aKYMElH+NLYW MvKBHU3hqvn/WzAykJtH5LOrN8RCe4P8UPLN/4LtU264qNHja/7hrz/vP1//JiFWlS3z F4gYg3ZtGcFiEq35CU7L9OhqEgYeQynJpRi615IZrVRpNXJRa/hVLiYiYGrXSg2VGG4+ y5Vl+G2paNrhVdJsNVCW9do6a91MG25oXNc+0pU64pEiCfvknNYmX7ycQZxmXd4a8CJp iTdw== Received: by 10.224.193.69 with SMTP id dt5mr22299556qab.2.1350326001983; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.169 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <1350322603.53898.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:33:21 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] I know it's not winter topic YET Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: "it doesn't seem to be a stretch for vintage racers to noodle with what could be deemed more reliable or robust... in the name of trying to make these cars do what they were never intended to do.." Careful though Bobby, Everyone has to be realistic and fair to the spirit of competition. Unlimited classes and different opportunities exist in SCCA and other Club Racing sanctioning bodies. These more modern production classes still have places our cars with more radical "safety and speed" developments. Pass the point of no return and that is where you should end up. Just because Willwood makes a brake kit that fits on your GT6 doesn't mean that you should be able to use it in vintage. We all know this is a slippery slope. We must all respect the fact that some cars have be running very successfully for decades in a class legal configuration. It is also not fair to push perfectly adequate race cars to the back of the grid just because some better equipment is now available. The spirit of Vintage must still hold weight and be honored as important. No body will be mad at you if you want to race on slick tires or tell you you can't put that car on a tube frame. But I'm glad that rules exist for vintage that won't let you go to far. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 15:11:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CF52C1786 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s9.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s9.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0C82C0D16 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:11:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W54 ([65.55.90.135]) by snt0-omc3-s9.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:14:24 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: "jason@multivintage.com" , "igofaster@att.net" Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:14:24 +0000 References: <1350322603.53898.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, FILETIME=[0D64C660:01CDAB1A] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] I know it's not winter topic YET Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The tach redline is a RECOMMENDATION. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:33:21 -0500 > From: jason@multivintage.com > To: igofaster@att.net > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] I know it's not winter topic YET > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > "it doesn't seem to be a stretch for vintage > racers to noodle with what could be deemed more reliable or robust... in the > name of trying to make these cars do what they were never intended to do.." > > Careful though Bobby, > Everyone has to be realistic and fair to the spirit of competition. > Unlimited classes and different opportunities exist in SCCA and other Club > Racing sanctioning bodies. These more modern production classes still have > places our cars with more radical "safety and speed" developments. > Pass the point of no return and that is where you should end up. > Just because Willwood makes a brake kit that fits on your GT6 doesn't mean > that you should be able to use it in vintage. > We all know this is a slippery slope. > We must all respect the fact that some cars have be running very > successfully for decades in a class legal configuration. It is also not > fair to push perfectly adequate race cars to the back of the grid just > because some better equipment is now available. > The spirit of Vintage must still hold weight and be honored as important. > No body will be mad at you if you want to race on slick tires or tell you > you can't put that car on a tube frame. But I'm glad that rules exist for > vintage that won't let you go to far. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 16:45:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5C92C0D4E for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s34.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s34.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C3C2C0A3C for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:45:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT134-W25 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s34.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:48:36 -0700 From: Henry Morrison To: fot Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:48:35 -0600 References: <1350055387.86279.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <507898B9.7060003@cfl.rr.com> FILETIME=[360872D0:01CDAB27] Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Your engine is only one rebuild behind the transmission. Is a Toyota engine in your future? Cheers, Henry Morrison > amen to that > > > > On 10/12/12 11:23 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. And, when > > you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the opportunity to be at > > speed in these cars. > > The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've really > > hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection between you and > > your car is toxic. > > Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought. > > Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far as > > sanctioning rules. > > Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern gearboxes for > > example. > > Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of variance > > to vintage spirit. > > > > I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my third rebuild > > in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run vintage... > > Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in Texas. The > > car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the way I > > presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I would put a > > Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, Quantum > > Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was warrantied > > with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a modified J type > > overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by Quantum with > > exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from England... in > > the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000 in > > receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run like you > > wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, I'm going to > > run the T50.... no problem. > > I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes and their > > sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are going to > > continue to run. > > Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four caliper > > pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability efforts... > > the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those who are > > not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any business > > format... IMHO.... > > > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > on the hunt... again..... > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 18:45:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4302C0D44 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B322C0D2D for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F10C81C0000F6; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dra003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dra003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.252.201]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C7434E000084; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:48:36 -0400 (EDT) References: <20121015015027.C79A52C0D08@autox.team.net> To: tony@tonydrews.com, fot@autox.team.net From: malaboge@aol.com Received: from 50.131.210.98 by webmail-m081.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.97) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:48:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:48:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350348516; bh=kSEIW4akY6JGCZrTeVJkMrjfpAkGpQwY37wyI2adLjk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kSSgC6YspXzSvy6Y1flDsHtMMHBFya/5VQAX16kzmGwqQOK9KNZ4W4Nr3r+/TXxTq drEWW3QhA/4DzpkqFm45RGlkMFiGtMsKX2SDwkQ15nCC942Dw9L+szwmPzj2JjM72F dVhTN0+caLIby4onGFYCME98riwT+MKbq/HpfnSQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e507caee42acd Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Here's another vote for the TR6 joints...all metal and a direct bolt in. The units with the "rag joint" are only outdone on the the "crummy scale" by the units with eight conical "faucet washers" holding it all together. I do a lot of tech for the local clubs and can't even count all of the bad, torn or extremely loose joints I've found. Some were so bad the cars weren't allowed on the track until the joints were fixed. All cars that come thru the shop with any of the rag/taper washer setups automatically get the solid joints installed...now that's really a "safety upgrade" ...unlike the song and dances I've heard for brakes, engines, trannies...oh wait that's a different rant! Still tryin to keep it vintage... Nick in Norcal -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: fot Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:53 pm Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? Look forward to the advice. Tony Drews PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 19:35:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7A12C6CD1 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 289322C0D3A for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:35:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5349 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2012 01:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2012 01:39:00 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=50371 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TNw7Y-0007uQ-Hu; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:39:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:38:59 -0500 To: malaboge@aol.com,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <20121015015027.C79A52C0D08@autox.team.net> <8CF794F1C2EBD57-148C-591B@webmail-m081.sysops.aol.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXXcTElpR: Permission denied _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 19:44:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E992D0177 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1114F2C0D0B for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 26604 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2012 01:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2012 01:47:42 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=50439 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TNwFy-0006HK-A9 for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:47:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:47:41 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Let's try this again in plain text: So here's the issue - I'm running TR-6 U joints. But the housing on one of them is so beefy that the pinch bolt won't actually pinch it tight on the steering shaft. When I rebuilt it last time, I even relieved some additional metal out of the "slot" with a cutoff wheel to help this. I can slide the shaft in and out of the u-joint slightly. If I tighten the bolt any more I'll break it. This makes me very nervous. It appears that there is a Borgeson u-joint that's 9/16" - 36 spline on both ends but rather than a pinch bolt it uses a large set screw. If I drill dimples into the pieces it will firmly hold them in place. I've got one coming. The odd thing is that of the TR-6 u-joints I have two distinct styles. One doesn't have as beefy a pinch area so the pinch bolt can actually pinch the darn thing together and make it nice and tight. Ideally I would find another one of those, but the current manufacturing doesn't seem to follow that pattern. I agree that the rag joints aren't a great idea - but that's not the problem I have. Someone mentioned using an MBG u-joint (heresy!) - it appears that there are more than one which will fit an MGB - anyone know which one is 9*16" x 36 spline? Thanks, Tony At 07:48 PM 10/15/2012, malaboge@aol.com wrote: Here's another vote for the TR6 joints...all metal and a direct bolt in. The units with the "rag joint" are only outdone on the the "crummy scale" by the units with eight conical "faucet washers" holding it all together. I do a lot of tech for the local clubs and can't even count all of the bad, torn or extremely loose joints I've found. Some were so bad the cars weren't allowed on the track until the joints were fixed. All cars that come thru the shop with any of the rag/taper washer setups automatically get the solid joints installed...now that's really a "safety upgrade" ...unlike the song and dances I've heard for brakes, engines, trannies...oh wait that's a different rant! Still tryin to keep it vintage... Nick in Norcal -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: fot Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:53 pm Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? Look forward to the advice. Tony Drews PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 20:29:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668A72D0154 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.244]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAB82C0D1E for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 02:32:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.91] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 02:32:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 02:32:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 37983 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2012 02:32:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350354777; bh=6I3x0wZBz6yfDoJAFSCF9PBxHo4ay9H3xjP9TMDMLA8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mfWg23TMqUg2tXn7iQj/8z13U0THiizMR9nvCEV3r0CkETBtjGfhzmVy7AXxfrR0QjxuGaJnNq5zvno7/SYcEpS3lMIsF8BTQQNbL+6AsL5I8bYBlJcm1fPiY8dLxIKIqj+iBTU6eDmCnTfLKATRCjMoJhrQgg5UQWZmkIcJULA= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UfVLOiJUtIDecw0VgMASCnXrkufOAyCIsjdfom4Cx5Ffiet/dcemNdCJjYOnyaCSCANgd7ZZ651mpEuA8cjEta9xWylU6F36YbFxyNHCx/XfOUZnJTZIGb1E6ZjQx28Yk7gM6r/t+ggGZPjdj1CUpeeseQO8z/bsK6qg0zJD0no=; WtlUei2otTnHQos6Z.ACjc7TYZlvwVimAfa12orWdPwBrnBhI.NWYmP7OBu1 RZmIJUnupEphXcn06ZO_NFRq75nHW_c_SI_bB1.VagPyBKFv3dulQ93rCn2y UMBsZcVAxoq_cS0dsqvCYDHqp_dpXZAEC5HLRflXF9CA3fT6Eo7Jl5joWtZo Zoa2iP7tk0IIQnwLZfv45q_qxrz4MjwlWgdYm771PxsUHNGEhcZexnaPhylh S.9qkFY_DviJejk4mhZbWqxCGMh49gqLPyrCBprR7sjJ8TehBkTRP4K08_GI ChB9UcKEnno9CKjQTzESRQXh.IXsDqFzp7US84XuZahIf6O0rEThcZ5111u8 Eubu6kHL_FUPZtSaWO6n4XeYvtL7V4JK81TUxDbfx17m2h3izI9zEexaz.c9 IuXBSom83lxB12wMDaF5MD2AFM05pU.jFwnptMmNR5RyeoR3_rwKaLgCr7xc nzkLigSxRFzvPgw_LmnSfujUvNprxdrrWvNX9WMoYAc65kxdTee6kb0P3UFn L0QgbdHqVlgKUo.bSHq6lhmhKrFovhAcYHn.DTsp2GmEUAAYJ3wz6lHBB35Z D7NCwcebBq8X61F_ri6DilmANX797CL.V07ZHkMO6jcrftQbIbQy5w7oEYrF pk0xGIZeJ7AvFxrRFizLRZX_z7qUOZkDD3F0m Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:32:57 PDT VG9ueTogVGhpcyB0ZXJyaWJsZSB0aG91Z2h0IG9mIHBsYWNpbmcgTUdCIGJpdHMgb24gYSBUUjQgaXMgdHJ1ZSEgTW9zcyBNb3RvcnMgUC9OIDI2My0wOTAgZG9lcyBmaXQgdGhlIFRSIHNoYWZ0LiBUaGV5IGFsc28gaGF2ZSBhIG5pY2UgSGFyZHktU3BpY2VyIHJlcGxhY2VtZW50IGZvciB0aGUgT0XCoCB1bmRlciBwYXJ0IG51bWJlciAyNjMtMjY1LiBJIGJ1aWx0IGEgUiZQIHN0ZWVyaW5nIGNvbnZlcnNpb24gdG8gYSBUUjMgdXNpbmcgc2FpZCAyNjMtMDkwIFAvTi4gV291bGQgeW91IGxpa2UgbWUgdG8gY2gBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: fot@autox.team.net, Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony: This terrible thought of placing MGB bits on a TR4 is true! Moss Motors P/N 263-090 does fit the TR shaft. They also have a nice Hardy-Spicer replacement for the OE under part number 263-265. I built a R&P steering conversion to a TR3 using said 263-090 P/N. Would you like me to check my inventory of MGB steering columns tomorrow to see if I have one for you? -Ed- --- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:47 PM Let's try this again in plain text: So here's the issue - I'm running TR-6 U joints. But the housing on one of them is so beefy that the pinch bolt won't actually pinch it tight on the steering shaft. When I rebuilt it last time, I even relieved some additional metal out of the "slot" with a cutoff wheel to help this. I can slide the shaft in and out of the u-joint slightly. If I tighten the bolt any more I'll break it. This makes me very nervous. It appears that there is a Borgeson u-joint that's 9/16" - 36 spline on both ends but rather than a pinch bolt it uses a large set screw. If I drill dimples into the pieces it will firmly hold them in place. I've got one coming. The odd thing is that of the TR-6 u-joints I have two distinct styles. One doesn't have as beefy a pinch area so the pinch bolt can actually pinch the darn thing together and make it nice and tight. Ideally I would find another one of those, but the current manufacturing doesn't seem to follow that pattern. I agree that the rag joints aren't a great idea - but that's not the problem I have. Someone mentioned using an MBG u-joint (heresy!) - it appears that there are more than one which will fit an MGB - anyone know which one is 9*16" x 36 spline? Thanks, Tony At 07:48 PM 10/15/2012, malaboge@aol.com wrote: Here's another vote for the TR6 joints...all metal and a direct bolt in. The units with the "rag joint" are only outdone on the the "crummy scale" by the units with eight conical "faucet washers" holding it all together. I do a lot of tech for the local clubs and can't even count all of the bad, torn or extremely loose joints I've found. Some were so bad the cars weren't allowed on the track until the joints were fixed. All cars that come thru the shop with any of the rag/taper washer setups automatically get the solid joints installed...now that's really a "safety upgrade" ...unlike the song and dances I've heard for brakes, engines, trannies...oh wait that's a different rant! Still tryin to keep it vintage... Nick in Norcal -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: fot Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:53 pm Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? Look forward to the advice. Tony Drews PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 22:02:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D00D2D01BD for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:02:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A09C2C0B8A for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:01:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rq2so6277150pbb.14 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:05:13 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=nbTSoqmY3Gb4MRvlhTRqo8Q2URjW83HhkqWDCIJL550=; b=HP8u+ln5XHZDgtYZ/GCZGc077KggFkh1g/2k8VDObpwMgoaYzI/ctE1bv4zzqerxVe FeaZTvvY5nVPtqTNh4z0bApcO6TO6Zelfg3phevt0NzRmimiV1kVw4cOtydJTKWKNC6j FgqvxlxXKYIhNfwJjf2FnRN4W/HdRkN4COjR6oHnGqvYKz0HVErTAVNZmWpOR7u05ZRV +L1J/7APSADZiofoFo35cJlghuYGB9UADMpSn/n7vkQIxTgcAjuKt0qH4sX3eavKpzYX +oGrWOQwC0HicX0GXKJMBkKpqJCGMk+66HtM5DtPzDt31AHzeyJybpLT823xStoXKD3z 60Kw== Received: by 10.68.237.231 with SMTP id vf7mr10935063pbc.63.1350360313042; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ru4sm10089994pbc.25.2012.10.15.21.05.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:05:09 -0700 References: <20121015015027.C79A52C0D08@autox.team.net> <8CF794F1C2EBD57-148C-591B@webmail-m081.sysops.aol.com> To: malaboge@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Seiously guys, the TR6 joints are crap too. I used them on my street TR3 rack and pinion conversion, but they're not much compared to the modern stuff. It's not a competitive advantage, just pure safety. SAE considers 5/8" shafts to be marginal and 3/4" to be appropriate. For the same price of the original stuff you can get 3/4" double d with hefty universals that have needle bearings twice the size of the TR6 stuff. Your choice, your butt. On Oct 15, 2012, at 5:48 PM, malaboge@aol.com wrote: > Here's another vote for the TR6 joints...all metal and a direct bolt in. The > units with the "rag joint" are only outdone on the the "crummy scale" by the > units with eight conical "faucet washers" holding it all together. I do a lot > of tech for the local clubs and can't even count all of the bad, torn or > extremely loose joints I've found. Some were so bad the cars weren't allowed > on the track until the joints were fixed. > > All cars that come thru the shop with any of the rag/taper washer setups > automatically get the solid joints installed...now that's really a "safety > upgrade" ...unlike the song and dances I've heard for brakes, engines, > trannies...oh wait that's a different rant! > > Still tryin to keep it vintage... > Nick in Norcal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:53 pm > Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 > > > My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big > beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy > cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy > duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the > shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and > it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. > > So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? > > Look forward to the advice. > > Tony Drews > > PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 22:09:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7038A2D01C2 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1D02D0160 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fa10so6227142pad.14 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:13:10 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Vdc/tgwZLlKVnAtBfSsTLoH2AVIT2D3rau8nf3h+FT0=; b=GxZruoTRTSjmKg1zC54cvbT64cAHOiPW/GAHaI76oVp8pe1VPXZ11x3hp7SCkrMmFB IHKWz/4VfF/C4Lvtwyd/at5JKkv562l6uRA44QyR2AF/2dkx4ilGtDpQHVa4o7zWv0ox A/prBZD6J7o8hV8UeaUOHAm0GpslWMl0i6r4e2JiIqwrTcqkCz6UzHOM0Qbk53Ky2rNU A38XDlHfdJPS4LQWKG3vSW+/e4F4kkcCofnf0ig/RGt0oFBBKUXx7y3Bm/GLPOiXPJl6 Fd3z+D+Eal33YZQxW5OM39JwwIcUu3ajGS60oIBLKUZKE9+71g4IjE5OZwTDR+gtkJw8 vOgw== Received: by 10.68.143.162 with SMTP id sf2mr42840149pbb.137.1350360790373; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sa2sm10105270pbc.4.2012.10.15.21.13.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:13:07 -0700 References: <20121016014431.C264D2C6CD2@autox.team.net> To: Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The borgeson joints actually have two set screws. The shaft they are supposed to screw into is hollow. You drill a hole through one side of the hollow shaft and run the screw through to the other side. the second set screw goes into a dimple you drill. Both set screws are locked with a locknut. This is a pretty positive locking arrangement. Kind of what you might want your steering to use. the TR6 joints are designed for splined shafts with a flat ground into them. You pinch the housing onto the spline, but it's really the bolt passing by the flat that locks the assembly in. And yes, they are kind of cludgy compared to modern practice. They don't lock down well and there's some wiggle in the resulting system from the loose fit on the splines. It took quite a bit of grinding and some good, hard flange bolts the actually get it all locked down for my street car. If it wiggles a tiny bit I'm tossing it all on top of my pile of lucas distributors and replacing it with Borgeson stuff--which works flawlessly. On Oct 15, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Let's try this again in plain text: > So here's the issue - I'm running TR-6 U joints. But the housing on one of them is so beefy that the pinch bolt won't actually pinch it tight on the steering shaft. When I rebuilt it last time, I even relieved some additional metal out of the "slot" with a cutoff wheel to help this. I can slide the shaft in and out of the u-joint slightly. If I tighten the bolt any more I'll break it. This makes me very nervous. > > It appears that there is a Borgeson u-joint that's 9/16" - 36 spline on both ends but rather than a pinch bolt it uses a large set screw. If I drill dimples into the pieces it will firmly hold them in place. I've got one coming. > > The odd thing is that of the TR-6 u-joints I have two distinct styles. One doesn't have as beefy a pinch area so the pinch bolt can actually pinch the darn thing together and make it nice and tight. Ideally I would find another one of those, but the current manufacturing doesn't seem to follow that pattern. > > I agree that the rag joints aren't a great idea - but that's not the problem I have. > > Someone mentioned using an MBG u-joint (heresy!) - it appears that there are more than one which will fit an MGB - anyone know which one is 9*16" x 36 spline? > > Thanks, Tony > > At 07:48 PM 10/15/2012, malaboge@aol.com wrote: > > Here's another vote for the TR6 joints...all metal and a direct bolt in. The units with the "rag joint" are only outdone on the the "crummy scale" by the units with eight conical "faucet washers" holding it all together. I do a lot of tech for the local clubs and can't even count all of the bad, torn or extremely loose joints I've found. Some were so bad the cars weren't allowed on the track until the joints were fixed. > > All cars that come thru the shop with any of the rag/taper washer setups automatically get the solid joints installed...now that's really a "safety upgrade" ...unlike the song and dances I've heard for brakes, engines, trannies...oh wait that's a different rant! > > Still tryin to keep it vintage... > Nick in Norcal > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:53 pm > Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 > > > My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big > beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy > cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy > duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the > shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and > it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. > > So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? > > Look forward to the advice. > > Tony Drews > > PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 15 22:48:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058302D0174 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF762D0169 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bghm1k0031HpZEsA9gpKEl; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:49:19 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BgpF1k00L3UuT0T8agpKt3; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:49:19 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'Bill Babcock'" , Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:40:48 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac2rU4SqATdYkJt3QVmh/TJasecclQABMByw Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That MGB U-joint looks pretty nifty but looks heavy. Are they available in titanium ? jg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 10:05 PM To: malaboge@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 Seiously guys, the TR6 joints are crap too. I used them on my street TR3 rack and pinion conversion, but they're not much compared to the modern stuff. It's not a competitive advantage, just pure safety. SAE considers 5/8" shafts to be marginal and 3/4" to be appropriate. For the same price of the original stuff you can get 3/4" double d with hefty universals that have needle bearings twice the size of the TR6 stuff. Your choice, your butt. On Oct 15, 2012, at 5:48 PM, malaboge@aol.com wrote: > Here's another vote for the TR6 joints...all metal and a direct bolt in. The > units with the "rag joint" are only outdone on the the "crummy scale" by the > units with eight conical "faucet washers" holding it all together. I do a lot > of tech for the local clubs and can't even count all of the bad, torn or > extremely loose joints I've found. Some were so bad the cars weren't allowed > on the track until the joints were fixed. > > All cars that come thru the shop with any of the rag/taper washer setups > automatically get the solid joints installed...now that's really a "safety > upgrade" ...unlike the song and dances I've heard for brakes, engines, > trannies...oh wait that's a different rant! > > Still tryin to keep it vintage... > Nick in Norcal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:53 pm > Subject: [Fot] Steering shaft u-joint TR-4 > > > My steering shaft has two u-joints in it. The lower one is a big > beefy cast thing that I bought from Moss to replace the big beefy > cast thing that was there before. The upper one isn't quite as heavy > duty looking but does a much better job of actually clamping onto the > shaft. I've tightened the sh** out of the lower big beefy one and > it's still not as tightly clamped as I'd like. > > So... Where can I buy alternate u-joints for the TR-4 steering shaft? > > Look forward to the advice. > > Tony Drews > > PS - article on front suspension swap to TR-6 stuff is still coming. > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 10:56:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226422D028D for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC642D0269 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 22C221C001427; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.205]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 35688E00008F; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:53:56 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:53:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:53:56 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350406437; bh=VrEGOHjC+rVcOXPnH6W1cE4gLFAsyPayGBa3XZNNwPk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JR9YIyyMAn42krkc5oW4h4tTOcmhm68Nhu+uXawkiDfHV+IgGkNOUFINU3y4sp9h0 TCZw6XJIVU1RX/jUWu7pKGyvUgHie6Gu8HExUwMczWYX3PTnqcM90JmjajmlnAMLTx AyrN1MEvYWFqRINr3wg03S1c0MPw/0mmUgve2iis= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c507d91247fa4 Subject: [Fot] TRANSPORT FOR TRIUMPH RACERS 2013 KASTNER CUP ROAD AMERICA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT, If anyone has visibility to low cost transporters PLEASE publish to this list and the FOT WEBSITE. We have a need to transport cars from SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, perhaps the PACIFIC NORTHWEST, and other locations in NORTH AMERICA. For starters, we have four cars in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA that need to get to Road America next September. Thank you very much! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 17:27:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1AD2D02F0 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077AE2D02EE for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id c11so618417qad.14 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:30:27 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=7YWzQ4VtvySThb5GBi4w3P3lK5kMbyhWcvxAEWybFD4=; b=TDLk296wqHW0sGkrI2pou6Gg5wtNEmxtzDN9zqX1WkjEoq7jXglt5Y4mMHcLR3cCtK WgxDP8VQU1e+rtHE9pwN1UbJMfAqDsfb44vuHn6OWZrhhhX4tc7VHus4nRsuzD95vSaF vUgFZdkWj5M7w62I6F7EjHbiCqDeMxrCOuQkSu7nlckYPp7AG2OaqMtJv7d6PR/BjpV6 FFnNFTOr4sw5jnkuYxk38D8tJxSuX/K+bzVCZ5CTFd/48k0p0dlbxtiqiDZmVFHgVD4N s9/P0t+db+RxmbCEZzxCgT21IFgSVVBL2KOz542TxZR5F2LsyHhrsN8ZCQhGVaqTD3Cw VaRg== Received: by 10.229.176.202 with SMTP id bf10mr7813492qcb.155.1350430226954; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.169 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:30:26 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well, miracles never cease! Decommissioned from racing in 1985, and after a near decade long restoration process... Today we fired up the ole hound. My dad's "you could have bought a Ferrari for the same amount" restoration met its symbolic (near) completion today. Wow... This is the car that started everything for me; kindled this undying affection for Triumph masochism, made me a GT6 fiend, and sent me on this path of racing these cars of all too unforgotten dreams. Yep, my pop bought it off the showroom floor in 1968. Drove it regularly till he started racing it in the early 1970's. And raced it until 1985. Then it sat around... first for a few years in the garage. Then for a couple decades standing on its firewall in the shed; "The Kingdom of the Possum's"...Lots and lots of creepy hissing Possums came out of that shed. Anyway, It was always a nice car. But the years in the shed and the years at the track had taken its toll. The car was completely 100% restored bolt by bolt, my dad's way. Ultimately, his work ends in perfection... The hard way. Usually, it would be far easier and much cheaper, had it been done by anyone with tact; not to mention with much less bickering and foul-mouthed swearing. To his credit, the car is beautiful. Everything is perfect and original in its stock appearance. After a couple weeks of final tweaks to get it it ready, we couldn't get it started. I found some stuff that was way wrong over the past few nights. This was wrong, that didn't match, this leaks... etc. After a carb rebuild and some messing around with a couple different distributors, the whole project came into focus today when it fired up. Unfortunately, the nice new muffler makes it sound kind of wimpy, as I was standing there adjusting the carbs I could barely hear the exhaust note over the air buzz of that dull-yellow, front facing blast fan. Turns out, to my surprise, a motor that is moth-balled properly can withstand a 27 year hibernation. He took the original motor out when he started racing and put in the basement. I didn't believe that that old cat would even start. But sure enough, the car is alive after a 27 year pause. So, this car now looks brand new (it really does) and is presented in it's flawless "showroom stock" trim.. I'm pretty excited to have this car finally done and glad that I didn't have to use my wallet to finish it.. Comparatively, in its original "skinny" showroom condition, it hearkens back to an earlier competition style (kind of wussy) but is quite good looking. Most importantly it is holding a steady "60" oil pressure and starts easily. Today is a, long awaited, good day for Friendly Ghost Racing. Jason Ostrowski GT6 Nut head. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 17:38:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D682D02F1 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB322D02EA for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854152E01B for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:39:51 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: triumph friends References: Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wow. Just wow. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 17:57:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038C52D0325 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0482D02F0 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0CFC81C002BED; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mbe001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mbe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.31.144]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DE477E000087; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:50:23 -0400 (EDT) References: <507DF047.5030801@bradakis.com> To: mark@bradakis.com, fot@autox.team.net From: kkjjk@aol.com Received: from 72.84.143.221 by webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.103) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:50:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:50:23 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350431424; bh=uN9ByfO+L8tRGMeX2LomuC8XWcrkOTNooVbPIrf5HY0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MwqUb5GzMAPKZZMmCRcgo3WsaOLFaPz++qkS7FVLD7tqUUvn4C1/LkdVjkXyT9Kky cimVfpTDuGXJF23tv2qCjQHOq7j+yUhLqpA5+OrWYeeFGayehQlJQfQnFqLVojS32S VSRcSqTMaFpf8RgnfOz4hHxQ/DXYggH5Y/SRKUwI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d507df2bf7e71 Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net agreed -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: triumph friends Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Wow. Just wow. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 18:04:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677CE2D02F3 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60EE2D02EA for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.81] (ool-43538a4b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.138.75]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MC0000COGC6X400@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:07:14 -0400 From: Todd Redmond To: Jason Ostrowski References: Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well done! And well written! Congrats! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Well, miracles never cease! > Decommissioned from racing in 1985, and after a near decade long > restoration process... > Today we fired up the ole hound. > > My dad's "you could have bought a Ferrari for the same amount" restoration > met its symbolic (near) completion today. > Wow... This is the car that started everything for me; kindled this undying > affection for Triumph masochism, made me a GT6 fiend, and sent me on this > path of racing these cars of all too unforgotten dreams. > > Yep, my pop bought it off the showroom floor in 1968. > Drove it regularly till he started racing it in the early 1970's. > And raced it until 1985. > Then it sat around... first for a few years in the garage. Then for a > couple decades standing on its firewall in the shed; "The Kingdom of the > Possum's"...Lots and lots of creepy hissing Possums came out of that shed. > Anyway, It was always a nice car. But the years in the shed and the years > at the track had taken its toll. > The car was completely 100% restored bolt by bolt, my dad's way. > Ultimately, his work ends in perfection... The hard way. > Usually, it would be far easier and much cheaper, had it been done by > anyone with tact; not to mention with much less bickering and > foul-mouthed swearing. > To his credit, the car is beautiful. Everything is perfect and original in > its stock appearance. > After a couple weeks of final tweaks to get it it ready, we couldn't get it > started. > I found some stuff that was way wrong over the past few nights. > This was wrong, that didn't match, this leaks... etc. > After a carb rebuild and some messing around with a couple > different distributors, the whole project came into focus today when it > fired up. > Unfortunately, the nice new muffler makes it sound kind of wimpy, as I was > standing there adjusting the carbs I could barely hear the exhaust note > over the air buzz of that dull-yellow, front facing blast fan. > Turns out, to my surprise, a motor that is moth-balled properly can > withstand a 27 year hibernation. > He took the original motor out when he started racing and put in the > basement. > I didn't believe that that old cat would even start. > But sure enough, the car is alive after a 27 year pause. > So, this car now looks brand new (it really does) and is presented in it's > flawless "showroom stock" trim.. > I'm pretty excited to have this car finally done and glad that I didn't > have to use my wallet to finish it.. > Comparatively, in its original "skinny" showroom condition, it hearkens > back to an earlier competition style (kind of wussy) but is quite good > looking. > Most importantly it is holding a steady "60" oil pressure and starts easily. > Today is a, long awaited, good day for Friendly Ghost Racing. > > Jason Ostrowski > GT6 Nut head. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95@optonline.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 18:25:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D6C2D0305 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:25:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3A32D02DA for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2012 00:23:38 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.198] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2012 00:23:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2012 00:23:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350433417; bh=6uT3GiYo79gy7I44opyr8wZYlrz4qzMPWA8zQY37QKA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=prGTqSWFq/MJNRkWit21YLja3gaTWgH2PlO0KSs6X19UQvohbUu39vi7Nrlr7GjDsaFciiT1KdDfZ6YIuI+praB7Neuy1aN0r+QTVRtKBZupl0AOS8F3ydPhDGxwl32VyWq6CBn8lrzRHbqoMRGXakgofc/GZHXOVIA6tzL55Cs= VxPtTlU3.RudfVvka8M6l7BNIbVW95wK5MEL619bBPPeZ_jHF6xSbT_tcIgp GjqHH2eG3eM8fiRYrO_bbyOt8ykeOtkfh4_rsJPGYT.x69__c7Wozepk2ftg 7eB2NG5aUDQ6mQEEvwIL7OoyHtYNQ8DOZ0fTsub7LZddKmkDQ2XBdiy1XypZ 7KAI_CrFf2PqFeCHbsmx3EtzynmTlsT21kocpgpNiuosjwx.SnImc3Rout7V GusTmL2VQ7RxpB7ty2jeY.l8CewgfeIt1v1QVmtltzSXmv7Hu.zX6Qh_SbIw vYdKGy5fY9t0ePxQneBW6HLjdYKPcQVKL6AKBbpz.tPH1KF.4HWAVPypbnIX dt0_EmGV0mUO86mxHqode6S4VorQiGH5tJDL8_S8uQNMqZS3LLcPRFq86boy B01CW2FQvohvnINbeg9M1xvK2z8WjQ1lvmtuXVvvkdTq2O524z6FXfoFiqSd Vw.n8nSBBX9cf6vqFNJ6fO.MxpfJge7Pz25E3DHya6v8ivqYNJ0Y- Received: from [192.168.2.5] (Tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp107-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2012 17:23:37 -0700 PDT References: From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:23:36 -0600 To: Todd Redmond Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jason Do you have any pictures you can post? I am sure we would all love to see it! I just started a restoration on a TR4, and although I don't have the history you have, I am looking forward to the end result! Thx Ty Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson@esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Oct 16, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > Well done! And well written! Congrats! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > >> Well, miracles never cease! >> Decommissioned from racing in 1985, and after a near decade long >> restoration process... >> Today we fired up the ole hound. >> >> My dad's "you could have bought a Ferrari for the same amount" restoration >> met its symbolic (near) completion today. >> Wow... This is the car that started everything for me; kindled this undying >> affection for Triumph masochism, made me a GT6 fiend, and sent me on this >> path of racing these cars of all too unforgotten dreams. >> >> Yep, my pop bought it off the showroom floor in 1968. >> Drove it regularly till he started racing it in the early 1970's. >> And raced it until 1985. >> Then it sat around... first for a few years in the garage. Then for a >> couple decades standing on its firewall in the shed; "The Kingdom of the >> Possum's"...Lots and lots of creepy hissing Possums came out of that shed. >> Anyway, It was always a nice car. But the years in the shed and the years >> at the track had taken its toll. >> The car was completely 100% restored bolt by bolt, my dad's way. >> Ultimately, his work ends in perfection... The hard way. >> Usually, it would be far easier and much cheaper, had it been done by >> anyone with tact; not to mention with much less bickering and >> foul-mouthed swearing. >> To his credit, the car is beautiful. Everything is perfect and original in >> its stock appearance. >> After a couple weeks of final tweaks to get it it ready, we couldn't get it >> started. >> I found some stuff that was way wrong over the past few nights. >> This was wrong, that didn't match, this leaks... etc. >> After a carb rebuild and some messing around with a couple >> different distributors, the whole project came into focus today when it >> fired up. >> Unfortunately, the nice new muffler makes it sound kind of wimpy, as I was >> standing there adjusting the carbs I could barely hear the exhaust note >> over the air buzz of that dull-yellow, front facing blast fan. >> Turns out, to my surprise, a motor that is moth-balled properly can >> withstand a 27 year hibernation. >> He took the original motor out when he started racing and put in the >> basement. >> I didn't believe that that old cat would even start. >> But sure enough, the car is alive after a 27 year pause. >> So, this car now looks brand new (it really does) and is presented in it's >> flawless "showroom stock" trim.. >> I'm pretty excited to have this car finally done and glad that I didn't >> have to use my wallet to finish it.. >> Comparatively, in its original "skinny" showroom condition, it hearkens >> back to an earlier competition style (kind of wussy) but is quite good >> looking. >> Most importantly it is holding a steady "60" oil pressure and starts easily. >> Today is a, long awaited, good day for Friendly Ghost Racing. >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> GT6 Nut head. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95@optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 18:26:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0292D0326 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:26:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0A82D02CA for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.239.41.205] (219.sub-174-252-159.myvzw.com [174.252.159.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9H0Pt0k020468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:25:58 -0400 References: From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:25:53 -0400 To: Jason Ostrowski reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jason, it's "Opossum". Congratulations! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Well, miracles never cease! > Decommissioned from racing in 1985, and after a near decade long > restoration process... > Today we fired up the ole hound. > > My dad's "you could have bought a Ferrari for the same amount" restoration > met its symbolic (near) completion today. > Wow... This is the car that started everything for me; kindled this undying > affection for Triumph masochism, made me a GT6 fiend, and sent me on this > path of racing these cars of all too unforgotten dreams. > > Yep, my pop bought it off the showroom floor in 1968. > Drove it regularly till he started racing it in the early 1970's. > And raced it until 1985. > Then it sat around... first for a few years in the garage. Then for a > couple decades standing on its firewall in the shed; "The Kingdom of the > Possum's"...Lots and lots of creepy hissing Possums came out of that shed. > Anyway, It was always a nice car. But the years in the shed and the years > at the track had taken its toll. > The car was completely 100% restored bolt by bolt, my dad's way. > Ultimately, his work ends in perfection... The hard way. > Usually, it would be far easier and much cheaper, had it been done by > anyone with tact; not to mention with much less bickering and > foul-mouthed swearing. > To his credit, the car is beautiful. Everything is perfect and original in > its stock appearance. > After a couple weeks of final tweaks to get it it ready, we couldn't get it > started. > I found some stuff that was way wrong over the past few nights. > This was wrong, that didn't match, this leaks... etc. > After a carb rebuild and some messing around with a couple > different distributors, the whole project came into focus today when it > fired up. > Unfortunately, the nice new muffler makes it sound kind of wimpy, as I was > standing there adjusting the carbs I could barely hear the exhaust note > over the air buzz of that dull-yellow, front facing blast fan. > Turns out, to my surprise, a motor that is moth-balled properly can > withstand a 27 year hibernation. > He took the original motor out when he started racing and put in the > basement. > I didn't believe that that old cat would even start. > But sure enough, the car is alive after a 27 year pause. > So, this car now looks brand new (it really does) and is presented in it's > flawless "showroom stock" trim.. > I'm pretty excited to have this car finally done and glad that I didn't > have to use my wallet to finish it.. > Comparatively, in its original "skinny" showroom condition, it hearkens > back to an earlier competition style (kind of wussy) but is quite good > looking. > Most importantly it is holding a steady "60" oil pressure and starts easily. > Today is a, long awaited, good day for Friendly Ghost Racing. > > Jason Ostrowski > GT6 Nut head. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 18:40:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D012D0322 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s50.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s50.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5912D02C3 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS198 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s50.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:39:38 -0700 References: From: Vince G Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:39:38 -0400 To: Jason Ostrowski FILETIME=[E358A4E0:01CDABFF] Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That is AWESOME! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-10-16, at 7:30 PM, "Jason Ostrowski" wrote: > Well, miracles never cease! > Decommissioned from racing in 1985, and after a near decade long > restoration process... > Today we fired up the ole hound. > > My dad's "you could have bought a Ferrari for the same amount" restoration > met its symbolic (near) completion today. > Wow... This is the car that started everything for me; kindled this undying > affection for Triumph masochism, made me a GT6 fiend, and sent me on this > path of racing these cars of all too unforgotten dreams. > > Yep, my pop bought it off the showroom floor in 1968. > Drove it regularly till he started racing it in the early 1970's. > And raced it until 1985. > Then it sat around... first for a few years in the garage. Then for a > couple decades standing on its firewall in the shed; "The Kingdom of the > Possum's"...Lots and lots of creepy hissing Possums came out of that shed. > Anyway, It was always a nice car. But the years in the shed and the years > at the track had taken its toll. > The car was completely 100% restored bolt by bolt, my dad's way. > Ultimately, his work ends in perfection... The hard way. > Usually, it would be far easier and much cheaper, had it been done by > anyone with tact; not to mention with much less bickering and > foul-mouthed swearing. > To his credit, the car is beautiful. Everything is perfect and original in > its stock appearance. > After a couple weeks of final tweaks to get it it ready, we couldn't get it > started. > I found some stuff that was way wrong over the past few nights. > This was wrong, that didn't match, this leaks... etc. > After a carb rebuild and some messing around with a couple > different distributors, the whole project came into focus today when it > fired up. > Unfortunately, the nice new muffler makes it sound kind of wimpy, as I was > standing there adjusting the carbs I could barely hear the exhaust note > over the air buzz of that dull-yellow, front facing blast fan. > Turns out, to my surprise, a motor that is moth-balled properly can > withstand a 27 year hibernation. > He took the original motor out when he started racing and put in the > basement. > I didn't believe that that old cat would even start. > But sure enough, the car is alive after a 27 year pause. > So, this car now looks brand new (it really does) and is presented in it's > flawless "showroom stock" trim.. > I'm pretty excited to have this car finally done and glad that I didn't > have to use my wallet to finish it.. > Comparatively, in its original "skinny" showroom condition, it hearkens > back to an earlier competition style (kind of wussy) but is quite good > looking. > Most importantly it is holding a steady "60" oil pressure and starts easily. > Today is a, long awaited, good day for Friendly Ghost Racing. > > Jason Ostrowski > GT6 Nut head. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 18:41:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459032D033A for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E2D2D0305 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU402-EAS396 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:44:37 -0700 References: From: Charles WATSON Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:34 -0400 To: Jason Ostrowski FILETIME=[9574A700:01CDAC00] Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Best thing I've read in a while. Congrats Jason. Send pics. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:30 PM, "Jason Ostrowski" wrote: > Well, miracles never cease! > Decommissioned from racing in 1985, and after a near decade long > restoration process... > Today we fired up the ole hound. > > My dad's "you could have bought a Ferrari for the same amount" restoration > met its symbolic (near) completion today. > Wow... This is the car that started everything for me; kindled this undying > affection for Triumph masochism, made me a GT6 fiend, and sent me on this > path of racing these cars of all too unforgotten dreams. > > Yep, my pop bought it off the showroom floor in 1968. > Drove it regularly till he started racing it in the early 1970's. > And raced it until 1985. > Then it sat around... first for a few years in the garage. Then for a > couple decades standing on its firewall in the shed; "The Kingdom of the > Possum's"...Lots and lots of creepy hissing Possums came out of that shed. > Anyway, It was always a nice car. But the years in the shed and the years > at the track had taken its toll. > The car was completely 100% restored bolt by bolt, my dad's way. > Ultimately, his work ends in perfection... The hard way. > Usually, it would be far easier and much cheaper, had it been done by > anyone with tact; not to mention with much less bickering and > foul-mouthed swearing. > To his credit, the car is beautiful. Everything is perfect and original in > its stock appearance. > After a couple weeks of final tweaks to get it it ready, we couldn't get it > started. > I found some stuff that was way wrong over the past few nights. > This was wrong, that didn't match, this leaks... etc. > After a carb rebuild and some messing around with a couple > different distributors, the whole project came into focus today when it > fired up. > Unfortunately, the nice new muffler makes it sound kind of wimpy, as I was > standing there adjusting the carbs I could barely hear the exhaust note > over the air buzz of that dull-yellow, front facing blast fan. > Turns out, to my surprise, a motor that is moth-balled properly can > withstand a 27 year hibernation. > He took the original motor out when he started racing and put in the > basement. > I didn't believe that that old cat would even start. > But sure enough, the car is alive after a 27 year pause. > So, this car now looks brand new (it really does) and is presented in it's > flawless "showroom stock" trim.. > I'm pretty excited to have this car finally done and glad that I didn't > have to use my wallet to finish it.. > Comparatively, in its original "skinny" showroom condition, it hearkens > back to an earlier competition style (kind of wussy) but is quite good > looking. > Most importantly it is holding a steady "60" oil pressure and starts easily. > Today is a, long awaited, good day for Friendly Ghost Racing. > > Jason Ostrowski > GT6 Nut head. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 19:16:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5072C2D032C for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f169.google.com (mail-ia0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EAF2D02C6 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f169.google.com with SMTP id h37so6263099iak.14 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:19:26 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :cc:from:date:content-type:mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=AHGP7W4GIxeaK4109BejRmmK4avBvyZzzPr8SaaaRBQ=; b=nKyinSMCImlE/IpjqUI0jTNALCHNcV4cgrR/+aBAuObUGwJGvxdC/PQRupQBXnJB6t zAlltv8kPLwQceMs4VMyCuh/EesveYEjm6/APuUnLlv+9/+rnvfCIop537TTnHFhpmAC sEUzl+DUjTJqkWnFo3j2oOMaazkhFdSePsY0L7c/bGjtA1ISC5G1d28FFHyqTXGJF+aZ AFFjSYDdcFtvfb89N8W517QtvbiSDeeEor0phDYgS/8UQ0NyF8T3BPrZzKPv9EVl+FUD F6W54HsTF2K32VM7m2u2Kdy528LkbF1vlZCJTxinl3qtYMA2uGIWa446I7pDpSTqx3o1 OZjg== Received: by 10.50.40.133 with SMTP id x5mr91723igk.32.1350436766448; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bh3sm9759605igc.0.2012.10.16.18.19.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:19:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <76B664CD-1824-4024-A26E-C5347508E40B@gdhs.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "John Hasty" From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:19:24 +0000 Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John, they are "SCARY" Thanks. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:25:53 To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Jason, it's "Opossum". Congratulations! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Well, miracles never cease! > Decommissioned from racing in 1985, and after a near decade long > restoration process... > Today we fired up the ole hound. > > My dad's "you could have bought a Ferrari for the same amount" restoration > met its symbolic (near) completion today. > Wow... This is the car that started everything for me; kindled this undying > affection for Triumph masochism, made me a GT6 fiend, and sent me on this > path of racing these cars of all too unforgotten dreams. > > Yep, my pop bought it off the showroom floor in 1968. > Drove it regularly till he started racing it in the early 1970's. > And raced it until 1985. > Then it sat around... first for a few years in the garage. Then for a > couple decades standing on its firewall in the shed; "The Kingdom of the > Possum's"...Lots and lots of creepy hissing Possums came out of that shed. > Anyway, It was always a nice car. But the years in the shed and the years > at the track had taken its toll. > The car was completely 100% restored bolt by bolt, my dad's way. > Ultimately, his work ends in perfection... The hard way. > Usually, it would be far easier and much cheaper, had it been done by > anyone with tact; not to mention with much less bickering and > foul-mouthed swearing. > To his credit, the car is beautiful. Everything is perfect and original in > its stock appearance. > After a couple weeks of final tweaks to get it it ready, we couldn't get it > started. > I found some stuff that was way wrong over the past few nights. > This was wrong, that didn't match, this leaks... etc. > After a carb rebuild and some messing around with a couple > different distributors, the whole project came into focus today when it > fired up. > Unfortunately, the nice new muffler makes it sound kind of wimpy, as I was > standing there adjusting the carbs I could barely hear the exhaust note > over the air buzz of that dull-yellow, front facing blast fan. > Turns out, to my surprise, a motor that is moth-balled properly can > withstand a 27 year hibernation. > He took the original motor out when he started racing and put in the > basement. > I didn't believe that that old cat would even start. > But sure enough, the car is alive after a 27 year pause. > So, this car now looks brand new (it really does) and is presented in it's > flawless "showroom stock" trim.. > I'm pretty excited to have this car finally done and glad that I didn't > have to use my wallet to finish it.. > Comparatively, in its original "skinny" showroom condition, it hearkens > back to an earlier competition style (kind of wussy) but is quite good > looking. > Most importantly it is holding a steady "60" oil pressure and starts easily. > Today is a, long awaited, good day for Friendly Ghost Racing. > > Jason Ostrowski > GT6 Nut head. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 21:03:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3EE2D02FC for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051122C0CC8 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:18:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9DJLe2K007969; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:21:40 -0400 Received: from core-dnb005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dnb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.214.17]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 139B7E000082; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:21:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Gt6steve@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:21:39 -0400 (EDT) To: igofaster@att.net, ponobill@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350156100; bh=o5zur7QoeJuKkzFtuuypy2ECkWtLq8g/EDGQXnze8WE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=F0o5K9L8abFdvN/zwhSneDBSE3Uy20Qok0Hx0qoZTBdKUhUKT2fi0xVcwUeFfJIUY 0y2F6Cjocon0RMVfRrlFPgdQW+RTeIIoJFoDt78mlLSY3TV3LU5UR4FvVQIC9LvML6 BsJ2CSIeCDzsFNkjKkmy+7xeUTCbGzY0Sk0zLDZQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c75079bf442ebe Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That seems to be the primary purpose of racing, to shift us all into "B" In a message dated 10/13/2012 12:18:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, igofaster@att.net writes: sometimes mine shifts itself into "B" .... broke.... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 21:04:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBB02D02C2 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAC52D0815 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.247.144.146] (16.sub-174-254-116.myvzw.com [174.254.116.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9DJh3bl025340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:43:06 -0400 References: From: John Hasty Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:43:01 -0400 To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" a=WlB2olsIzMoA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=qFPakLkvg+Q/gonaEGL97A==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=2CisPvzqlw3QAo8YiIkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=eGbHVWuMfV93aa6T:21 a=Jtb84FQILZCTIOvV:21 a=L0p_QUDAgu9s-3R5gBQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=0aNho1HN9gPZdmfB:21 a=qFPakLkvg+Q/gonaEGL97A==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Vintage Production Car Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net For every ones info Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: John Hasty > Date: October 13, 2012 3:42:03 PM EDT > To: "Snowdonracing@aol.com" > Subject: Re: Vintage Production Car Transmissions > > Thanks Ray that just about clears up my question. So, "same number of gears". Would my 4 speed with OD mean I could replace with a 5 speed & a weight. Penalty? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Snowdonracing@aol.com wrote: > >> By special rules; do you mean the Make and Model Regs for the TR3 ?? >> The way I have understood these rules is that the Make and Model Regs. show the original specs and equipment for that particular car. The Supplemental Regs for the Group apply to all cars (aka all Make and Models) that are in that Group. So, in your case, the Make and Model Regs for the TR3 show the original trans (4 speed) with an optional overdrive. The Group 3 Supplementals say that you can replace that original trans with another Production Based unit, same # of gears, but with a weight penalty. >> >> In other words, the Make and Models set the BASICS, including some do's and don'ts at the bottom. >> The Group Supplementals tell us what we can do over and above those Make and Model Basics. >> Hope this helps. >> Ray >> >> In a message dated 10/12/2012 8:46:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhhasty@gdhs.com writes: >> Thanks Ray. I know that is what the G3 rules say; but the special rules for TR3's states original transmissions. So the rules say one thing under G3 and another under TR3-4. How are we to know which one is correct? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 12, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Snowdonracing@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> Thanks for the note and sorry you are having issues. There is a substitution rule in the Group 3 Supplementals already. It states: >>> "Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate PRODUCTION BASED GEARBOX of the same number of forward speeds. ADD 75LBS. TO OFFICIAL WEIGHT. When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the 5th gear must be lower numerically than 1 : 1." >>> If a non-standard gearbox is being used, it must be declared on the RCIS sheet for the vehicle. >>> Your Triumph, TR3, lists a 4-speed with Laycock overdrive optional. That means 5 forward speeds. >>> So, the rules are already there. Cars that were never equipped with overdrive, or as an option, must continue to keep their original number of forward speeds. >>> The number of forward speeds is something that we will be checking on for 2013 as we step up on rules enforcement. >>> I hope this answers your questions. >>> Ray >>> >>> In a message dated 10/12/2012 1:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhhasty@gdhs.com writes: >>> Ray: >>> As our Triumphs, MGs, Morgans, Elvas etc. get even older than they >>> already are, a number of us are having transmission problems with the >>> original gear boxes which are causing frequent costly repairs and I >>> understand that MGs are also having source problems as well. While I >>> understand the spirit of the rules and try to keep my TR within them, >>> reliability and the cost of fixing old "stuff" is becoming a problem which >>> may well keep some of us from participating in as many events as we might >>> otherwise like. For instance I just spent $730 to go through my TR box and >>> after the Gold Cup, it feels like it needs it again. It may well be time to >>> consider, in the interest of safety and reliability, allowing these cars to >>> use the readily available GM and Toyota 5 speed transmission conversions. I >>> note also, that 4 speeds vs. 5 speeds is not a problem in as much as these >>> old English cars had overdrive units available which, like my car, give you >>> an effective 5 speed unit. >>> I would also note that there are already some cars using these >>> conversions and there should be a "level playing field" approach considered >>> as well. Please give some thought to this with your Tech staff . I look >>> forward to your response.... >>> >>> John H. Hasty SVRA # 8326 >>> Attorney At Law >>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >>> 719 East Boulevard >>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >>> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >>> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >>> E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com >>> www.gdhs.com >>> >>> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is >>> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >>> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >>> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >>> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message >>> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >>> >>> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >>> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, >>> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >>> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >>> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >>> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >>> addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 21:33:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A0D2D02FF for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc4-s45.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s45.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.51.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2302D02FF for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:33:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS265 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s45.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:37:02 -0700 References: From: Vince G Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:37:03 -0400 To: "Gt6steve@aol.com" FILETIME=[AB9C4430:01CDAC18] Cc: "ponobill@gmail.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net LMAO Last outing of the year, 2nd last session. Bolt backed out of roto flex made contact with inner hub/vert link, ruined axle, broke the diff and probably finished the already weak transmission. Good thing I have all the spare parts on hand and Im a GT6 nut. Along with some planned engine improvements I'll be busy in the garage all winter doing the drive train ars to tea kettle.... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-10-16, at 11:07 PM, Gt6steve@aol.com wrote: > That seems to be the primary purpose of racing, to shift us all into "B" > > > In a message dated 10/13/2012 12:18:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > igofaster@att.net writes: > > sometimes mine shifts itself into "B" .... broke.... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 17 05:07:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED3B2D0343 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 05:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D162D033F for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 05:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU154-W61 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 17 Oct 2012 04:10:40 -0700 From: Charles WATSON To: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:10:40 -0400 References: , FILETIME=[0B2C8920:01CDAC58] Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Glad it wasn't your neck that made contact! If you're running the stock donut system, now is the opportunity to upgrade that roto system to something race-worthy! Lot's of info in the FOT archives for this fix. Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: vangoughv@hotmail.com > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:37:03 -0400 > To: Gt6steve@aol.com > CC: ponobill@gmail.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph TRANSMISSIONS > > LMAO > > Last outing of the year, 2nd last session. Bolt backed out of roto flex made > contact with inner hub/vert link, ruined axle, broke the diff and probably > finished the already weak transmission. Good thing I have all the spare parts > on hand and Im a GT6 nut. Along with some planned engine improvements I'll > be busy in the garage all winter doing the drive train ars to tea kettle.... > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-10-16, at 11:07 PM, Gt6steve@aol.com wrote: > > > That seems to be the primary purpose of racing, to shift us all into "B" > > > > > > In a message dated 10/13/2012 12:18:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > igofaster@att.net writes: > > > > sometimes mine shifts itself into "B" .... broke.... > > > > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 17 19:13:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E909A2D0486 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oms-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (oms-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [205.188.58.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9642D0382 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by oms-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (AOL Outbound OMS Interface) with ESMTP id 3B5DB1C0003C5 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.41.144.172] (mobile-198-228-207-197.mycingular.net [198.228.207.197]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id EE181E000082 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Bock Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:16:13 -0400 To: FoTTriumph x-aol-global-disposition: S s=20110426; t=1350522972; bh=VBVIEmr8PY6LoY5Servi104eDU40zssV1F5O8vT5q7M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=l830P5D7bTH3fbza7p2n1NyGYUaWO8EQhsq7Od72c5lwbikYzXIsi8kB8LMoXr3b8 nlhoTHZ+rw2Ma29dB3yzdAu/jvkoXuYpkD4dJwrzWn7xUfZy0lvT+QIBknwM+uSBKZ RpyjtwDyr5Mq3naGllFQi5NVD6h/P7rKanatjCuQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3386507f585b0d91 Subject: [Fot] Wheel arches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If my bad memory serves me correctly there was a member looking for spitfire wheel arches. I have a donor. Just pay shipping. Contact me off list. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 18 09:43:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7312D04EB for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08A22D0382 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.194] by nm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2012 15:47:00 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.105] by tm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2012 15:47:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2012 15:47:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 12285 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2012 15:46:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350575219; bh=j4OqqQ2c1SEW+ClfYOXuYUWqJLBYSI2HBvEhOaULAWQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qotP6KF+O8Z+mi6bOCQA0P1G39fXHS7eLnQWHti1ESZOqvVx76GOLWBCWTuvkbQ40sWOweGEumbORldmlEIK/p7oEZI/N1Y2+RgH+FVzdWPO3R5jq8gRMtM6heuIMmAe/TXGdCPJAhcMdRQ8dRq0isZaaIMja4QbnRmoDntyGxM= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Pihsthfizvhkm8cwQRy4oDiOcMPzour1bu40/5csIPTUytOTMW25dgES2XTFV2l76kvOeEzNZ22Cey7IC8pW3flDN7opYAxnkFwFiZe9sXXH4DBfxp9w01pxiEnBvH7oY7mUjxxjOSg4wp7+o6wQlySSv4QPkZtkvvG33A+ECoQ=; Q7GHwnhKgkFymyP1sWqerAwDLDgppNJ1NLLBBBooqDhVV10L9SxhEt1_2Iut bnD5VrNONXs.v9GSsLgBW7N_pF5qvSNnlt3bOcfxP.eaoTaVJqGteVKPhG62 smeWESzSXChhibQUsy.QueYVcBr2VLSnAYiyhh68y8mywXvSuCM2fnnp0oL3 A8a1TPmGz9zzbGFmtibAVyZcLrQNStdmyd6gAIXbD4ztV.quvYwfesG1jk6y kprkM6zZ3kZWlJjWy1tcrWNNxXPsb._vznS7SzSnBFQofdHB5K8n7G4j2LtV roMeDSnkgYHYtMLanRRfjxcVeKKM4evuoGIe7KJ1T87CUV8Citfv5Byxxm_w XIWt56Blj1hyJbwkyej6JQrrhQB4HdSY7UG.bVEN4eRrsE5.DHTTgNQTeyM4 wSE0jJPcOwk8tzg-- Received: from [68.165.86.214] by web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:46:59 PDT UElYIGZvciB0aGUgS0lEUyAhCgpCb2JieQoKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KRnJvbTogImtramprQGFvbC5jb20iIDxra2pqa0Bhb2wuY29tPgpUbzogbWFya0BicmFkYWtpcy5jb207IGZvdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldApTZW50OiBUdWUsIE9jdG9iZXIgMTYsIDIwMTIgNzowMDozOSBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW0ZvdF0gT3JpZ2luYWwgR1Q2IHN0YXJ0cyBhZnRlciAyNyB5ZWFyIGRvcm1hbmN5CgphZ3JlZWQKCgoKLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0KRnJvbTogTWEBMAEBAQE- References: <507DF047.5030801@bradakis.com> <8CF7A10249E1E81-1830-69AF@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net PIX for the KIDS ! Bobby ________________________________ From: "kkjjk@aol.com" To: mark@bradakis.com; fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 7:00:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy agreed -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: triumph friends Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Original GT6 starts after 27 year dormancy Wow. Just wow. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 18 13:22:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA612D05FC for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:22:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0C02D0502 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9IJPMeJ013511 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:25:22 -0400 Received: from core-msc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.205]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DCA21E00008F for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:25:21 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com (64.12.241.44) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:25:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:25:21 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350588322; bh=NWv1KvmfntVyde8NI6df+grewi9O2yxvbVrmaEthajM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Jqb9VwKwx8habrgtkRx/bz99gr1KnfHcK3INdDFeAOB43cmvfr7Twzt05FVZVHcYJ vyDVByOnQ7EtnJuhY8pihroHuH8iBMg8qcas6kLpfxVuFG2wr42dlw/aPubN0SlqNM jKcugrTv36pPhZsrJ3k7Xs4bPAhVutwjSuTIxbjA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c7508057a12a52 Subject: [Fot] FOT 2013 KASTNER CUP SPONSORS to date TRUE FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH! 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E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 19 21:29:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6EF2D074E for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FCF2D0717 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DFV01k0020vp7WLA6FYeLr; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 03:32:38 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DFYa1k0093UuT0T8RFYd3M; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 03:32:38 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:23:31 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac2uckdgle3UDHc6ThyVljE93qbllw== Subject: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FoT, I cut some TR4 port sections today, right down the middle of the valve guides. It sure is a different view of the TR4 ports. The exhaust port is a mess. I'm going to try welding around the back of the valve guide boss and try to smooth out that wall the exhaust charge slams into just outside the valve seat. We'll find out on the flow bench, I have three more cylinders to experiment with Pix are on photobucket http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/TR4jim/Cylinder%20head/ jim g _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 19 22:02:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719FA2D071A for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5C62D06E8 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A2FF609801D8; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:05:19 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Jim Gray'" , References: <20121020032947.C18CA2C0BF7@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:03:11 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2uckdgle3UDHc6ThyVljE93qbllwABQoFA Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fantastic pictures, thanks!!! It looks like the exhaust charge would go up that wall and around and out. In other words it didn't look all that bad to my "untrained" eye. The photos really show the large amount cooling around the exhaust valve guide and the small amount around the intake guide. They also show the benefits of cutting off the guides so they don't stick into the ports. Thanks again, Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:24 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) FoT, I cut some TR4 port sections today, right down the middle of the valve guides. It sure is a different view of the TR4 ports. The exhaust port is a mess. I'm going to try welding around the back of the valve guide boss and try to smooth out that wall the exhaust charge slams into just outside the valve seat. We'll find out on the flow bench, I have three more cylinders to experiment with Pix are on photobucket http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/TR4jim/Cylinder%20head/ jim g _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 19 22:15:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C884C2D0753 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:15:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77FD2D06CB for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fa10so872593pad.14 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:18:12 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Ro0KMTKb2uW5tVfK9TALB9Mg6KcphTwO4hNrPSAn5kE=; b=QLp0omWBgEqTe57WKAg6BQU0K9IFLPnfGQo1h+Vk9hkGDEyp22zZx2LEXYA3CDw4wC bPqxt0SVGoJqUxgJOyQN2oYK7tx3qzDBrr7l7KjQZfudLLG6URD9OM+MN3zNud9/8Qdy P3yxE8m1ep919ButS+wK0Wtcgue91thAO4ykNVSCqqGPJmIiX0ct6BJSK/NCoAH5FZsL s1OxPqo7EywBRwHdS2H+we3sEKvCrnnnUZFHOqt3En5BMyVQ8XoPklFcCRgahZWxJuzH 5e35Zh4LgVl0uWf2DE3GbYW7Ld2jrUiezmOh++ldPWih3+ZnCKON2fJySzImtbK1s2m1 LGqA== Received: by 10.66.87.163 with SMTP id az3mr9574971pab.62.1350706692855; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ty4sm2233824pbc.57.2012.10.19.21.18.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:18:07 -0700 References: <20121020032936.D13A12D0717@autox.team.net> To: "Jim Gray" Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, the exhaust port looks like it was cast using plumbing parts. Intake is not that much better. On Oct 19, 2012, at 8:23 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > FoT, > I cut some TR4 port sections today, right down the middle of the valve > guides. It sure is a different view of the > > TR4 ports. The exhaust port is a mess. I'm going to try welding around the > back of the valve guide boss > > and try to smooth out that wall the exhaust charge slams into just outside > the valve seat. > > We'll find out on the flow bench, I have three more cylinders to experiment > with > > > > Pix are on photobucket > > http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/TR4jim/Cylinder%20head/ > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 00:17:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D5E2D0756 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F1A2D06F2 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DJCy1k0021u4NiLA6JD4e6; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:13:04 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DJD01k00E3UuT0T8hJD3jY; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:13:04 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'Bill Babcock'" Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:04:17 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac2ueewpXSTCdpGsTqej7snMXsUUqgADZ40g Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The exhaust doesn't have to be as efficient as the intake because the charge is under pressure on the way out but that square 90 degree turn could benefit from a fillet weld right in the corner behind the valve guide boss. The intake isn't bad really except it's a pretty tight curve coming off the valve seat. That curve will get flattened out. I'll be doing some silicone casts of the stock ports and then I'll make some of my current ported head. We'll start in on the flowbench next month. jg -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:18 PM To: Jim Gray Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Yeah, the exhaust port looks like it was cast using plumbing parts. Intake is not that much better. On Oct 19, 2012, at 8:23 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > FoT, > I cut some TR4 port sections today, right down the middle of the valve > guides. It sure is a different view of the > > TR4 ports. The exhaust port is a mess. I'm going to try welding around the > back of the valve guide boss > > and try to smooth out that wall the exhaust charge slams into just outside > the valve seat. > > We'll find out on the flow bench, I have three more cylinders to experiment > with > > > > Pix are on photobucket > > http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/TR4jim/Cylinder%20head/ > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 06:40:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB742D0645 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s3.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s3.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588B92D05D8 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W19 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 05:43:44 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:43:43 -0400 References: <1A8C4432-5F7F-4046-91B8-A92E5156AF35@bnj.com>, <20121020061739.B4A592D075A@autox.team.net> FILETIME=[8AC19A30:01CDAEC0] Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for posting the picts Jim. FWIW, I purchased David Vizard's Theory and Practice of Cylinder Head Modification a long time ago. He addresses the TR3/4 head pretty well in the book. On the subject of cutting the valve guides so they don't project into the flow path, this seems like such a good idea, and the factory could have saved a penny or so by making them shorter to start with it makes me wonder why they did not do that from the beginning? This is timely discussion as I am getting ready to butcher, er I mean modify a TR4 head. :) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 07:51:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428772D0742 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:51:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5422D0717 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY164-DS6 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:54:13 -0700 From: "Terry Stetler" To: References: <20121020061728.C7F162D0753@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:54:12 -0400 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:54:12 -0400 FILETIME=[63673F30:01CDAECA] Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net And to think that this is the "improved" head compared to the original TR2/TR3 design... Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) The exhaust doesn't have to be as efficient as the intake because the charge is under pressure on the way out but that square 90 degree turn could benefit from a fillet weld right in the corner behind the valve guide boss. The intake isn't bad really except it's a pretty tight curve coming off the valve seat. That curve will get flattened out. I'll be doing some silicone casts of the stock ports and then I'll make some of my current ported head. We'll start in on the flowbench next month. jg -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:18 PM To: Jim Gray Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Yeah, the exhaust port looks like it was cast using plumbing parts. Intake is not that much better. On Oct 19, 2012, at 8:23 PM, "Jim Gray" > FoT, > I cut some TR4 port sections today, right down the middle of the valve > guides. It sure is a different view of the > > TR4 ports. The exhaust port is a mess. I'm going to try welding around the > back of the valve guide boss > > and try to smooth out that wall the exhaust charge slams into just outside > the valve seat. > > We'll find out on the flow bench, I have three more cylinders to experiment > with > > > > Pix are on photobucket > > http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/TR4jim/Cylinder%20head/ > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 08:07:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CB32D0764 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6482D06E6 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hm4so904374wib.2 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:03:17 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=5rmMVrUhQ9xqXv444sRIW34+O9s3J0MDBWrxJJE//EI=; b=isihx95bmTN5stnF74io/T5Jd83cT4HR6m4sRbiwyg0yoYSqk16azkbV3FSsGVOhLF 8SBcSrlVyJvtbe/ZKEVZ6gfKFPF/lo79q75y2wmXYeGbiaa6xpcSvv0i+nGu3T49v+70 S9Y8GumKKxVDjdYATZOstkx+ixHYBdU2zIiC86ClnzOsrMpfmZpMgvLb1Wayb823QOOn vyHo3suUGNR0GJU/PGS14urojJXqTSlGBZfoEVdgsl4WSNhkxyoZDUT9mRr+3iSsnPNs 8se59rjkhRGLdKuZnd+T9ZqbAtq0gjMt6/nAxWWU7GAEhv8ujk35bAuEKWEAaglLlEKw An2A== Received: by 10.180.91.71 with SMTP id cc7mr9752022wib.2.1350741797346; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([46.79.205.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q7sm9769617wiy.11.2012.10.20.07.03.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:03:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Jim Gray'" , References: <20121020032924.EA4032D074A@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:03:14 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2uckdgle3UDHc6ThyVljE93qbllwAWUv2A Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting how thin the head walls are. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jim Gray Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Oktober 2012 05:24 An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) FoT, I cut some TR4 port sections today, right down the middle of the valve guides. It sure is a different view of the TR4 ports. The exhaust port is a mess. I'm going to try welding around the back of the valve guide boss and try to smooth out that wall the exhaust charge slams into just outside the valve seat. We'll find out on the flow bench, I have three more cylinders to experiment with Pix are on photobucket http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/TR4jim/Cylinder%20head/ jim g _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 08:42:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30F22D074A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9F52D0711 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DS8v1k0051afHeLA3SlMxP; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:45:21 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DSlH1k00H3UuT0T8dSlM1w; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:45:21 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'John Styduhar'" Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:36:42 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac2uvpT5mpi2sIlqQWWwUBEqEuX2gwADJAKw Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm definitely going to be looking at valve seats. They play a really big roll in the overall flow. As far as valve guides go we will do some testing with and without. More importantly though I want to try a fuel shear ramp before and after the valve / guides to smooth turbulence. I want to get maximum velocity first. jim _____ From: John Styduhar [mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:30 AM To: Jim Gray Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Great work Jim. Do you have any plans to test modifications other than port design, like valve seat profile and whether or not grinding of the exposed valve guides has any effect on flow? On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Jim Gray wrote: The exhaust doesn't have to be as efficient as the intake because the charge is under pressure on the way out but that square 90 degree turn could benefit from a fillet weld right in the corner behind the valve guide boss. The intake isn't bad really except it's a pretty tight curve coming off the valve seat. That curve will get flattened out. I'll be doing some silicone casts of the stock ports and then I'll make some of my current ported head. We'll start in on the flowbench next month. jg -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:18 PM To: Jim Gray Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] I cut intake & exhaust port sections today ( tr4 ) Yeah, the exhaust port looks like it was cast using plumbing parts. Intake is not that much better. On Oct 19, 2012, at 8:23 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > FoT, > I cut some TR4 port sections today, right down the middle of the valve > guides. It sure is a different view of the > > TR4 ports. The exhaust port is a mess. I'm going to try welding around the > back of the valve guide boss > > and try to smooth out that wall the exhaust charge slams into just outside > the valve seat. > > We'll find out on the flow bench, I have three more cylinders to experiment > with > > > > Pix are on photobucket > > http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/TR4jim/Cylinder%20head/ > > > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 09:25:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0B72D074E for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp003.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.158.236.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5932D06C7 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.204.218.149] (mobile-198-228-192-212.mycingular.net [198.228.192.212]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MC700K9Q6XY8F20@nk11p04mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:27:41 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-20_02:2012-10-19,2012-10-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=1 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210200180 From: Scott Janzen Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:27:33 -0400 To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The folks at Electromotive tell me the very elegant crank triggered ignition on my EP TR4 is not firing correctly throughout the rpm range. As I may take this car back to vintage, I'm looking for a distributor-based replacement. So, should it be Mallory with electronic guts, given reported quality issues with Lucas replacement caps, etc? Other thoughts? And, if you have a known good set-up you want to sell, let me know. From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 09:28:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5826C2D06CC for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:28:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB1E2D06BF for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va7so1566418obc.14 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:31:26 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=s3tKzTvDDQPvl9gxV4Gh5UYlYa7Ag1TZ7BNUL4fVFKk=; b=MWsCvy2DyV6vH0qZX+7W67f1usz1/mCSiz2ZjCObC/vV1ChMqU6cGVZ8EmH4HkHH0N rbBvR6P2Zj8FpracDTvirsjOj3/fUi9/El3BGVTPDQtphnVHQs1PuT830NqBnmT2aOuJ Io1oUQcX6BUbHKks3IK5gsEYhH8oRQPKXv64UPU/Bgc4RDF3J3crXH3d0R2ynUzUX+ux 7yGtkhOcI7VZPO6ko7+y2CCpD0Q2cRQ20LrdWQLvIFQpgWWIBSbbNk3k9+f3NVWlm2Of RziigAQTKOecuKbWbt4V7W8DTZBcex9oWOFQ/p25bnTt9189KdzuL2iaXW+6YoWEiOuO L3sQ== Received: by 10.60.4.227 with SMTP id n3mr4017106oen.136.1350747085941; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7sm3627090oek.6.2012.10.20.08.31.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:31:21 -0500 References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> To: Scott Janzen Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm happy with the Mallory Unilite on the TR engine in our Morgan (and in our non-TR engined Morgan also). Duncan From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 09:41:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EF12D0712 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f169.google.com (mail-ia0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4F52D065D for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f169.google.com with SMTP id h37so1302184iak.14 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AQu/8BFsivHzug+p6PCf3WB69qwGIuEQplQc2wbwjhc=; b=Hwxd1Ifldgdp+oPPLJWtPwhPp9c0SDEg6GlXUGAYsnhrE+SoqOHrGBsc5opSFqcccF 2YPlpj66n2g962bJPIR99B54ZeMEShGT8RzWQrkOVMyhoU7wjhWgmUwBi4cMLmrEdk9K m/LYl0KnhiS5/ELBR/KDhHu4LLHwhQk2EkcBYs6f9cwoFf0s609URT039xeecyAzFXti DeT5yqIT0avLlQ84pK/ePyt2GGUrq+jKVrnZRQiZgcLFxyhnNA+Ehzyg7546Mixj4jNq AsKLXXLw5hEbgG1x1LP7zks0D9tjos+2yJoCtsTYPEZwE7UBKuaZJlB14qpFaJXprLHa FUmw== Received: by 10.50.88.233 with SMTP id bj9mr4596540igb.70.1350747525958; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.91.195 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:38:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:38:45 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Scott Janzen Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Pertronix makes a distributor with Ignitor II ignition. Works great in my TR6. They have one for the four also. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 09:44:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233652D0766 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643E82D065D for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9KFlm4c018877; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:47:48 -0400 Received: from core-dgd004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.205]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 940D8E000088; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:47:48 -0400 (EDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> To: sjanzen@me.com, fot@autox.team.net From: fubog1 Received: from 98.77.49.247 by webmail-m165.sysops.aol.com (64.12.78.180) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:47:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:47:48 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350748068; bh=khp0OGAdQsvFhNxEhfJA4+uH95gb7NfhmO4pdRE8bPo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dSqQNjDct9stun73aT5XrNiZuSAZmCpcUTBGhRN0vG7faQLPnXhKxk3Xzokc/aaCW UgCECfzV6agKMAcicmXGvpQ/ahJg1fGn3Z4n7V/ZTq6fDhDbZX0hj57P0BxoxEEuwZ UNgJvlNXsCOozB3YVsjmAJGqwgd9Dztfs+cjeKqk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29495082c7a425e6 Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Lucas of course, usually a model 45 with Allison/Crane optical unit. Glen From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 09:44:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC8A2D0756 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s23.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s23.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A352D0768 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W8 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s23.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:48:12 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: fot Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:48:12 +0000 FILETIME=[4FA30640:01CDAEDA] Subject: [Fot] TR-3 & 4 ports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net For those of you that have my book "Historical and Technical Guide" published in 2008, there are Mordy Dunst photos of the cross sections of the ports on page 58 and my suggestion line for porting with advice on the weld fill on the exhaust port also. Neat that Jim is following up with more detail. Never be beaten by equipment From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 10:12:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9C82D0707 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com (mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9119D2D06D8 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:11:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id k11so513187eaa.14 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:14:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=N4HFbRf6bDRi2u72o0fu6KSsK93Ut8IfAKL/8nSM+ZU=; b=QY7Q3Kdu1C2mbvofVW2JccmkN9/x8OBkhv0OxOunpclEZgbSMrfZ0MxIvtxYI6GXZw MtGQVXe1i3VPqWHtFXk4OmScn102jt7S22oZRRrI3odW26cMQTVdtzA7sbebDDc0Zp6d 5ms0mFbSWp7DEaDeL2Flsp3tVid6tjgvCbjCq4qRCVYtDRw6/iXeJ1ABIJdTixzeTSlM A1XQIYvouiPEpjIeDgfhuDea9gTj52uZwKVzj0hNigobK0fjooymWuJ9f3JDUvbZ0Xb/ YR+OUIB6DxiQA0qqa7fzWtCcg/HNizByAd38u4S6YffG6/szPQu2imgFKq6PtGuddOy0 EaFw== Received: by 10.14.194.71 with SMTP id l47mr5888081een.6.1350749676515; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.139 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:14:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <8CF7CF163AA1A43-CA4-FFFC@webmail-m165.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:14:36 -0400 From: Robert Deanes To: fubog1 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, I use a Pertronics dist. on my racer and have had only one problem...three years later.... since I put it in in 2007 and Pertronics suppoort was great with a new unit for free. Just my two cents. rob deanes TR Racer -- rob deanes TR Racer From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 10:13:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28162D075E for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC632D06D6 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2012 16:14:53 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.198] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2012 16:14:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2012 16:14:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350749693; bh=VXPAd0agU8aVw6mtsztGC8dNHTMe/GPv9UVWijh40FU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=Ht+XaV1rNx7oCVYDb2PedhwutdJ2zJ18o5myzFSZg4coVGzi9XBCQa3XZwQx1OvflPvBOyNpwvQiFkyOdwXUi+gTEw+4bRdWRXCzbXiwwkjbSvqKjPeSLdU39bg1WGRQ7SqvcnwCYu016+7o2+38ehXxxe4Sd2BLyogfS8B6OcA= vBQ9nquNKlSiEv0LmNfDt8vtZMmjNqQV9yvOFQJM9_hQs5h_4DL0ATUpuzRj MK8ELS8AV7gsKiJ5.h7El8S1659deJeF.uSH4rhU1vNuG.h.1ZH8WFgDCaQq PSz76kr7B_Mbesw9JE5HKdEMbMIQp8zZ5248Ezz0fOJDGdjoUDXx3a8IxMHI VWWxGzSJ1RN6JceKxWIdB1OJ3ojGUI_5q05UyqJ6sOUDQhAorEmbbvZzq3Sj 0Nll4jvon7FkqlRANUaCAIkvv4uYBFL73rm7p1T6JdlrLBz2qOGXPP2YmkuB dMaL1Ko.0MZd1SAEfjSFCCko_edxulRvHZJdjG8HJID8CBSYeFp4nGrY4chG hIuj2QrjtSxCq59SMDp8YfTL67Sl_sECmbowQsuCknvtw6QpV.VavKU1JPIX dp5lBYy0YVBGDCWJ71M6Blm308SBiCgbNnzKmzwhf7Q98Nbtf0Tea00cZYB. 3RZ_Lo90MLXJAIZlHkM1eDsYaLywVz3Q5VmOYtBEL.TJ7czEt7LyEtg-- Received: from [192.168.1.67] (yellow-green@99.43.68.42 with xymcookie) by smtp107-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2012 09:14:53 -0700 PDT References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> From: Dennis Delap Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:14:35 -0500 To: Scott Janzen Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Lucas 25D - send it to Advanced Distributors for a complete rebuild. 612-804-5543 Jeff can also supply you with a core if you don' have one. On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 10:28:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4FC2D0707 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC202D065D for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6EC911C00017D; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dnd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dnd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.201]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 48E94E000082; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Gt6steve@aol.com Full-name: Gt6steve Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:45:50 -0400 (EDT) To: sjanzen@me.com, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350747950; bh=4ZuijMOW1N6VPd/nDhMIJ2PCZMUOqUBsnHvs107Lb9w=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rFBUq31ctvYCM+Mfb6aNxyFE678frsSR0EMqty3E8q9exGLDYlD1pEF/TTNiZkSQa wY9RyBEiEZQwvdBzSQVR/gYCobxW0QlrJd6chFlcy8JEBJ34nWxkjtx6UvjMWq7riL NZVEznYoK4SkVqUizpiTgcwW7pdwft+RGwPlmFTk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b5082c72e193f Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We've seen some strange maladies with the Mallory Electronics. I don't think you can beat the points Mallory for performance and reliability. For the Herald based cars you order the Jag distributor. Not sure if the TR4's are the same.... >From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 11:15:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3775E2D0711 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0910D2D0707 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.198]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F229C1C000127; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (71-13-26-216.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com [71.13.26.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id AB644E0000B8; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:13:54 -0400 (EDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> From: John Houlton Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:12:38 -0500 To: Scott Janzen x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350753234; bh=FBN8/jKYcb3WlTbNj3TQFbWCIQxhu7hb/ho2NxCroaY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=JY5XpJiMwBS40cP0gA9WweuJx2qyKSNGi2X1t4Lhi11C9pRT77EdfU3r0cVxP7a3h p3Di+3Hz6X2eiScJ2w6TYKFSN7IAxFl0hLbtVGbXI9iLT7dXmd0Wi5nz/hdEzMzm0M 15XS7tSIPvEEQgIBMyrFtUj3qSUsDmjsa0En55Sg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c65082dbd20dd5 Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Pertronix. I threw my Mallory deep into the woods. John From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 11:34:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEED2D0715 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s26.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s26.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD60B2D06D0 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT403-EAS444 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s26.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:37:22 -0700 References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <6604EAF7-664B-427B-AAF9-614CFF8573EC@aol.com> From: Vince G Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:37:21 -0400 To: John Houlton FILETIME=[8FD1B270:01CDAEE9] Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Installed a Pertronix on Both my race and street GT6. Excellent results. From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 15:30:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89ED92D06CC for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:30:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0362D06C3 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ed3so933982wgb.20 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=npQRHKFnJxYjN0sGlo/ulYh1+winJMuZhYUYVGBCgM0=; b=KZJSRGPWV5M7iq9HaOCFSXwc3Z9cfO0TT3+41+ynoCi0jOFvvz3aCeDM1INsT+BLfU 1kETAPL0R0HI3IMIk/Vyqn5hK2rBS2UT4ecYoVxDpTpIrup6RVx8H2q9pnv2ZSapBEGe R3dyKB9YLkymnuyTr4dFSXyvweOh5oGv5dvomm/Dr6Lfb5IT8eW26zWGF8JnjXdHOgcv JCzygxZvwIgFqWnOrkGh2S8nPsF53Kq44DOYfupdZc4BFrzg4VKMGy7pcBb1NWYmILTR yE7mQzwzWLID2++ebzdlmUGvzSwrPUcXEXC0LH7wBS9perggv/EvOsoFGn20d+kPgb6v 3x0A== Received: by 10.216.214.91 with SMTP id b69mr2771581wep.70.1350768832782; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-116-147.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.116.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ay10sm11950624wib.2.2012.10.20.14.33.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph''" References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:33:49 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2u16AM/lX76YUeQziVZJjiqhU6uQAMu49Q Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run Pertronix I. From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 15:35:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922AD2D02E4 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317192D02A1 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566C82E01B for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:35:57 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-3 & 4 ports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > For those of you that have my book "Historical and Technical Guide" That reminds me, I need to get new copies of the three books that I loaned out that never came back. Sad story, I won't go into details. But with Christmas coming up it may be time to drop a few hints around the relatives. And the FOT archives seem to be in better health now, with all of September and October up to date. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 15:35:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428902D02C9 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from email.consolidated.net (omr02.consolidated.net [72.22.9.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C15D2D02EC for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from client-72-251-169-90.consolidated.net (EHLO _192.168.0.106_) ([72.251.169.90]) by omr02.consolidated.net (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id HGF00870 (AUTH triumphs@consolidated.net); Sun, 21 Oct 2012 17:36:20 -0400 (EDT) References: <508444D2.7080000@bradakis.com> <50845EE2.50602@bradakis.com> From: Home Consolidated Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 16:36:20 -0500 To: Mark J Bradakis actions=TAG refid=str=0001.0A020202.50846AD5.0006, ss=1, re=0.000, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine refid=str=0001.0A020202.50846AD5.0006, ss=1, re=0.000, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sweet! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all you do Kg Sent from my iPad On Oct 21, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Well the FOT archives are not working as planned. For some reason April and May > have duplicate entries, and the October archive is not showing up at all, even though > mail is going into it. > > It is a cool and cloudy day, so while I ought to be out in the garage I'll keep working > on Team.Net for a while. > > It's always something! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs@consolidated.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 09:45:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122032D020E for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4604E2D016B for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.26] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MCA006LCX4H6DA0@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:45:55 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-22_02:2012-10-22,2012-10-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210220169 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:45:51 -0400 References: <4A47BB20-F8F5-4D5E-BCD7-1BF4E7697EEE@REcatalyst.com> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR4 Spark Plugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am prepping the recently acquired TR4 for the Turkey Bowl at Summit Point (Thanksgiving weekend) and thought I would get some new plugs. The current plugs are NGK BP8HS-10. These come up in google searches as being used for marine applications, though there's nothing in the part number that indicates that use. Engine is about 170 psi compression, 12:1, guessing from the cam that the engine will be running between 4,000 and 7,000 RPM. Plugs are running light-medium brown, so apparently about the right heat range. Recommendations for plugs, or should I stick with what I've got? Here's the current spec: non-resistor plug Thread Size: 14mm Thread Reach: 12.7mm (1/2") Hex Size: 13/16" Heat Range: 8 Gap: 1.02mm (.040") _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 09:58:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C372D0205 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D5C412D01FA for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9967 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2012 15:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2012 15:58:55 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=61109 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TQKP0-0004cG-Vf; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:58:55 -0600 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:58:51 -0500 To: Scott Janzen , 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph From: Tony Drews References: <4A47BB20-F8F5-4D5E-BCD7-1BF4E7697EEE@REcatalyst.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Spark Plugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use NGK BP7HS. My recollection is that the BP8HS is hotter and the BP6HS is colder. Tony At 10:45 AM 10/22/2012, Scott Janzen wrote: >I am prepping the recently acquired TR4 for the Turkey Bowl at >Summit Point (Thanksgiving weekend) and thought I would get some new >plugs. The current plugs are NGK BP8HS-10. These come up in google >searches as being used for marine applications, though there's >nothing in the part number that indicates that use. >Engine is about 170 psi compression, 12:1, guessing from the cam >that the engine will be running between 4,000 and 7,000 RPM. Plugs >are running light-medium brown, so apparently about the right heat range. >Recommendations for plugs, or should I stick with what I've got? > >Here's the current spec: >non-resistor plug >Thread Size: 14mm >Thread Reach: 12.7mm (1/2") >Hex Size: 13/16" >Heat Range: 8 >Gap: 1.02mm (.040") _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 10:00:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989572D0266 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp008.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp008.mac.com [17.158.236.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D682D0174 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.26] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp008.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MCA003VYXTU5B30@nk11p04mm-asmtp008.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:01:08 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-22_02:2012-10-22,2012-10-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210220172 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:01:06 -0400 References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had an informative talk with Jeff at Advanced Distributors this morning. He recommended a 45D Lucas with a 25D shaft assembly, cuz the larger diameter of the 45 cap eliminates cross-fire issues. He balances the assembly, puts in a full length shaft bushing, and makes some other improvements. He uses a high quality cap with added ribbing, and says it does not flex, fits tightly and does not have the problems of most replacement caps available. He also supplies rotors (red) made for him. He says he can run the single points set-up to 10,000 rpm on his machine without scatter. My unit will be set up with advance of 18 degrees at idle (1500 rpm) going to full advance by 3000 rpm. Of interest to me was the comments he had about Mallory, which is what I have in the GT6. He was very critical of the light springs, which he said stretch and cause scatter at all rpms. The shaft bushings don't last, and the plastic bushings on the centrifugal weights don't last either. He indicated that these units ought to rebuilt once a year, but stay in spec for only a few months, and doesn't recommend them for that reason. I mentioned that inserting the Unilite electronic module in mine seemed to have cured the scatter I saw with a timing light, and he responded that the electronic unit masks the scatter from poor bushings, but it's still there. He will rebuild these, but says it's not cost-effective in the long run. So, there's a modified Lucas 45 on the way for the TR4, with points for now, at a very reasonable price. He doesn't need cores at this point - has 1500 on hand. Thanks to the group for all the feedback. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 10:12:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8F82D026A for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011942D01A7 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fa10so2189388pad.14 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=9ISLxKRtaeTCZUUN9JJAwi2lxTDm2mgawqqPrKx302o=; b=luLTDWVLRrJYox40cddkQbNITq/NNfutZG/CTRR40fJfxjVPHwIz60VPS1jGg8XC6V fG8XDq9CFUeiyt0J4sjoZXz+4UQggoFKOGj+P+mnHnK5LjD6gwDD1uKH08mTxM3HnjkF /KreNRmY9Hesd9dJXwi8FBYgvDOzZOSXyJ2Ytu6Y/B8CfgUyKXBLTHpwob6SzsaI+L4E 5JbkP8OR22Lr3uXDVXEutgkkiynnEX0g2k2TVliAcbnvN0R+bJ+9WK/39hkRK3TRJhjl DE1DB3YZCypa8P8/q3YSN7H0Il6DuvnM41psOyMbIiWt4/Ak9hciVyDTulz6Eua+PbyA /ySg== Received: by 10.68.234.7 with SMTP id ua7mr31715876pbc.91.1350922119725; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ppp183-12.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.183.12]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8sm6126495pay.0.2012.10.22.09.08.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:08:33 -0700 References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> To: Scott Janzen Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Gee, maybe I shouldn't have flung all those Lucas dizzies with my catapult. We do know that Mallory's come apart every so often. The stops break off and the weights mill the insides. If you're running points all that aluminum dust ends your race, while if you have a pertronix, it doesn't. On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I had an informative talk with Jeff at Advanced Distributors this morning. He recommended a 45D Lucas with a 25D shaft assembly, cuz the larger diameter of the 45 cap eliminates cross-fire issues. He balances the assembly, puts in a full length shaft bushing, and makes some other improvements. He uses a high quality cap with added ribbing, and says it does not flex, fits tightly and does not have the problems of most replacement caps available. He also supplies rotors (red) made for him. He says he can run the single points set-up to 10,000 rpm on his machine without scatter. My unit will be set up with advance of 18 degrees at idle (1500 rpm) going to full advance by 3000 rpm. > > Of interest to me was the comments he had about Mallory, which is what I have in the GT6. He was very critical of the light springs, which he said stretch and cause scatter at all rpms. The shaft bushings don't last, and the plastic bushings on the centrifugal weights don't last either. He indicated that these units ought to rebuilt once a year, but stay in spec for only a few months, and doesn't recommend them for that reason. I mentioned that inserting the Unilite electronic module in mine seemed to have cured the scatter I saw with a timing light, and he responded that the electronic unit masks the scatter from poor bushings, but it's still there. He will rebuild these, but says it's not cost-effective in the long run. > > So, there's a modified Lucas 45 on the way for the TR4, with points for now, at a very reasonable price. He doesn't need cores at this point - has 1500 on hand. > > Thanks to the group for all the feedback. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 10:27:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381FA2D01FE for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630C62D01BC for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9MGHBEH017740; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:17:11 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 66321E000258; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:17:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:17:09 -0500 References: To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350922630; bh=OP33n1EHLSrzvcsavNY6yDSctFt8A24K63XsT1fwHgE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=yLN84zfeDPLhhoCiXpxik6Tw+B9J2PSai9UDMQFe1MzHW6SpBbXx3OxBspXM6H70H 164jASjlU+tsqS1qbwGwzvsUdqc6SroKkEAW41ItBQJ61VtuWHuwG1YxY6jgtdCXYM tD88Sba1KKSlNqReRyL9ET7vNMhR3P5qsPNyU+RI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3386508571866f18 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Spark Plugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good day to all. IIRC the heat range on NGK plugs run opposite. The smaller the number is the hotter plug. They are opposite to the Champion heat ranges. Not positive and I'm sure someone will chime in with a definitive answer. HTH Sam Clark Tulsa, OK Green Country Triumphs. On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:00 AM, fot-request@autox.team.net wrote: > I use NGK BP7HS. My recollection is that the BP8HS is hotter and the > BP6HS is colder. > > Tony > > At 10:45 AM 10/22/2012, Scott Janzen wrote: >> I am prepping the recently acquired TR4 for the Turkey Bowl at >> Summit Point (Thanksgiving weekend) and thought I would get some new >> plugs. The current plugs are NGK BP8HS-10. These come up in google >> searches as being used for marine applications, though there's >> nothing in the part number that indicates that use. >> Engine is about 170 psi compression, 12:1, guessing from the cam >> that the engine will be running between 4,000 and 7,000 RPM. Plugs >> are running light-medium brown, so apparently about the right heat range. >> Recommendations for plugs, or should I stick with what I've got? >> >> Here's the current spec: >> non-resistor plug >> Thread Size: 14mm >> Thread Reach: 12.7mm (1/2") >> Hex Size: 13/16" >> Heat Range: 8 >> Gap: 1.02mm (.040") _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 10:28:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826A02D0218 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:28:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E2D2D01A1 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY164-DS11 ([65.54.190.125]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:29:17 -0700 From: "Terry Stetler" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" References: <4A47BB20-F8F5-4D5E-BCD7-1BF4E7697EEE@REcatalyst.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:29:17 -0400 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:29:17 -0400 FILETIME=[61B62620:01CDB072] Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Spark Plugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hard to beat NGKs. Run with what works. Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 10:43:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C990C2D0223 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:43:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBE22D01BC for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:39:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f41.google.com with SMTP id jm1so1101184bkc.14 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:40:29 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=8G6F0kxCWEP2vzsTmMxSGMHKPKwyLLO8UuYxBvcRml0=; b=sztNNhVfaDX4xD6PhJorLEaUrQ/LiORbNs06irsg+Sma4B1c/wZzxDq/HIhTsXYsE3 Gt+tTlvhL2GS679MjKas5vUQLsk7KDIIySYytktNRv0HwbVbkFzEbmhuD4ieWF9ZnyPL 5oFFnUSdaqJliwGOQuoWkaawisc3LBH46vjG7uGTp3IcjjJ242TZmuO9gY5yEydACDpz Ij5nMKKo1GwtKlBXQ/2wsS969U9IXw+sUdYkhvfoplJ4gwZVpO3h7vPK+yxfznS+FyVh Zwhf1M0EC815etalyEZEWoYWBO1O+IY6OjICfDrhgHtbQeP0EeJZSDcXXIsrzKLzS7CB Sdig== Received: by 10.204.11.79 with SMTP id s15mr522652bks.136.1350924029356; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-24-192.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.24.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s20sm4201134bkw.15.2012.10.22.09.40.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:40:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Bill Babcock'" , "'Scott Janzen'" References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:40:24 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2wcC4buwI5pybpRNqmGgXullXlbgAA4hFw Content-Language: de Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net "flung" - that's a nice word. Never heard it before. I like it. Have to look what it means. Ah, I see. Catapult language. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Montag, 22. Oktober 2012 18:09 An: Scott Janzen Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Gee, maybe I shouldn't have flung all those Lucas dizzies with my catapult. We do know that Mallory's come apart every so often. The stops break off and the weights mill the insides. If you're running points all that aluminum dust ends your race, while if you have a pertronix, it doesn't. On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I had an informative talk with Jeff at Advanced Distributors this morning. He recommended a 45D Lucas with a 25D shaft assembly, cuz the larger diameter of the 45 cap eliminates cross-fire issues. He balances the assembly, puts in a full length shaft bushing, and makes some other improvements. He uses a high quality cap with added ribbing, and says it does not flex, fits tightly and does not have the problems of most replacement caps available. He also supplies rotors (red) made for him. He says he can run the single points set-up to 10,000 rpm on his machine without scatter. My unit will be set up with advance of 18 degrees at idle (1500 rpm) going to full advance by 3000 rpm. > > Of interest to me was the comments he had about Mallory, which is what > I have in the GT6. He was very critical of the light springs, which he said stretch and cause scatter at all rpms. The shaft bushings don't last, and the plastic bushings on the centrifugal weights don't last either. He indicated that these units ought to rebuilt once a year, but stay in spec for only a few months, and doesn't recommend them for that reason. I mentioned that inserting the Unilite electronic module in mine seemed to have cured the scatter I saw with a timing light, and he responded that the electronic unit masks the scatter from poor bushings, but it's still there. He will rebuild these, but says it's not cost-effective in the long run. > > So, there's a modified Lucas 45 on the way for the TR4, with points > for now, at a very reasonable price. He doesn't need cores at this point - has 1500 on hand. > > Thanks to the group for all the feedback. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 10:43:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474D52D0224 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7D62D01CC for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7734E3800015D; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dgc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.133]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2B6ADE000091; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:41:06 -0400 (EDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> To: ponobill@gmail.com, sjanzen@me.com Received: from 98.77.21.176 by webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.12) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:41:06 -0400 From: fubog1 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:41:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350924066; bh=BE2xcDveNsClgWG54oVcntrRx4ntNEHs7B7yiH7C+2A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jc4DwZSRAm9kc3Tur4VVlf5KAw6Ni9k1PibiCSgK/gT8Ep2N/L8qaZXK/cj6d7o3N 5zbGfjgiskSOEZSSSwXUcAAMsB9/lghu/WP3nAWql1Gh1pP1MKPvO38Avnb8Tjy1/2 EFs5X//pRvuc7BKty+0or38Q8RcxUbeGibWXlLHg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c8508577224220 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The 45 has the bigger cap to prevent spark-scatter and some of the caps even had internal ribs cast inside for that. The early 45 points type has the asymmetrical cam and the advance is easy to modify. For those still using points, the later electronic 45s can be fitted with a "eurospec" shaft assembly, with late cam and usually less mechanical advance. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Scott Janzen Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Gee, maybe I shouldn't have flung all those Lucas dizzies with my catapult. > I had an informative talk with Jeff at Advanced Distributors this morning. He recommended a 45D Lucas with a 25D shaft assembly, cuz the larger diameter of the 45 cap eliminates cross-fire issues. He balances the assembly, puts in _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 10:43:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EAF2D0262 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2155E2D01D9 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9MGgT4j030695 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:42:29 -0400 Received: from core-dgc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.133]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C82A8E000092; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:42:28 -0400 (EDT) References: <82CD5414-8B61-488F-813B-FE80FC372525@aol.com> To: trdoctor@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net From: fubog1 Received: from 98.77.21.176 by webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.12) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:42:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:42:28 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350924149; bh=k5biyXrF596qpqn/tPqWzlRQpkgN11oaIMCNiELsi04=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lYFuvBu/HlG5j5rJ5gSeHMtz8Df/nGVdfxBScGiAY+rvQ8WiP7oyT3CNN9Dz8KIIS gSMafICTQETYhO3yTU1f5fLHiDr0Om9Py8Ddzf12dMbL9tof0X58BAXh7SHonB+TRH m4iWnlR6GyjfSe8X/kHep/weVlKwy4Giv5eTSj4c= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c85085777445ed Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Spark Plugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes NGK higher # = colder. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Sam To: fot Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Spark Plugs Good day to all. IIRC the heat range on NGK plugs run opposite. The smaller the number is the hotter plug. They are opposite to the Champion heat ranges. Not positive and I'm sure someone will chime in with a definitive answer. HTH Sam Clark Tulsa, OK Green Country Triumphs. On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:00 AM, fot-request@autox.team.net wrote: > I use NGK BP7HS. My recollection is that the BP8HS is hotter and the > BP6HS is colder. > > Tony > > At 10:45 AM 10/22/2012, Scott Janzen wrote: >> I am prepping the recently acquired TR4 for the Turkey Bowl at >> Summit Point (Thanksgiving weekend) and thought I would get some new >> plugs. The current plugs are NGK BP8HS-10. These come up in google >> searches as being used for marine applications, though there's >> nothing in the part number that indicates that use. >> Engine is about 170 psi compression, 12:1, guessing from the cam >> that the engine will be running between 4,000 and 7,000 RPM. Plugs >> are running light-medium brown, so apparently about the right heat range. >> Recommendations for plugs, or should I stick with what I've got? >> >> Here's the current spec: >> non-resistor plug >> Thread Size: 14mm >> Thread Reach: 12.7mm (1/2") >> Hex Size: 13/16" >> Heat Range: 8 >> Gap: 1.02mm (.040") _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 11:13:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064502D0185 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7D62D0182 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EEqh1k0020EPchoABH6NZk; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:06:22 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EH1N1k00B2xZMJ48MH1NVh; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:01:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:01:22 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: MadMarx Cc: Bill Babcock , Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, If you like that we'll have to get you out punkin chunkin one of these days. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Bill Babcock" , "Scott Janzen" Cc: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:40:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion "flung" - that's a nice word. Never heard it before. I like it. Have to look what it means. Ah, I see. Catapult language. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Montag, 22. Oktober 2012 18:09 An: Scott Janzen Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Gee, maybe I shouldn't have flung all those Lucas dizzies with my catapult. We do know that Mallory's come apart every so often. The stops break off and the weights mill the insides. If you're running points all that aluminum dust ends your race, while if you have a pertronix, it doesn't. On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I had an informative talk with Jeff at Advanced Distributors this morning. He recommended a 45D Lucas with a 25D shaft assembly, cuz the larger diameter of the 45 cap eliminates cross-fire issues. B He balances the assembly, puts in a full length shaft bushing, and makes some other improvements. B He uses a high quality cap with added ribbing, and says it does not flex, fits tightly and does not have the problems of most replacement caps available. B He also supplies rotors (red) made for him. B He says he can run the single points set-up to 10,000 rpm on his machine without scatter. B My unit will be set up with advance of 18 degrees at idle (1500 rpm) going to full advance by 3000 rpm. > > Of interest to me was the comments he had about Mallory, which is what > I have in the GT6. B He was very critical of the light springs, which he said stretch and cause scatter at all rpms. B The shaft bushings don't last, and the plastic bushings on the centrifugal weights don't last either. B He indicated that these units ought to rebuilt once a year, but stay in spec for only a few months, and doesn't recommend them for that reason. B I mentioned that inserting the Unilite electronic module in mine seemed to have cured the scatter I saw with a timing light, and he responded that the electronic unit masks the scatter from poor bushings, but it's still there. He will rebuild these, but says it's not cost-effective in the long run. > > So, there's a modified Lucas 45 on the way for the TR4, with points > for now, at a very reasonable price. B He doesn't need cores at this point - has 1500 on hand. > > Thanks to the group for all the feedback. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 11:29:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7C52D0211 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:29:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694A32D01C9 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hq7so2148716wib.2 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:30:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TM2fMkxU8cwti6WDndxfTjmp75+OpIZWuBw7DBjzOKI=; b=kRkUG8E50WDIkToyL84R9ekeKeGwAE11ilUorVu3+tY6oCXd7RGXvff66obloF21XQ 2ltied7gLfo5+QP2HqscjaN3TPzgWpHqE8BAg7Znx/WgmoDEFVzOZs68sqHmwyP4Kacj Jsk3+sAvCaSX1L5eHp+P4Vy0TtZSulIjhvk/OsTWXCm0D+9llt8jbq4nNp5GWLy2z5Fm GK8wyO65hyPzDIp6bDHfnElD/2qTuXf/O9ouv9G9+uLpy7tdRrnE0nyutXBJHMQ5AI76 aBCbEO5OpGNO9JW1hfL7OlDNZQdt+qbE2yfLT55Q3nFbn85rABu7dJvbDoD3HLkGN7Kg abVg== Received: by 10.180.100.97 with SMTP id ex1mr22804223wib.17.1350927023624; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.217.62.5 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:30:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <4A47BB20-F8F5-4D5E-BCD7-1BF4E7697EEE@REcatalyst.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:30:23 -0400 From: Robert Deanes To: Scott Janzen , fubog1 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Spark Plugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The NGK BP8HS-10 is a marine plug used in most Yamaha engines.....BR8HS-10 is the Resistor plug....but they work great in TRs also....I run that same plug in my TR-4 racer and I am happy with it....works great in boat too ! On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I am prepping the recently acquired TR4 for the Turkey Bowl at Summit > Point (Thanksgiving weekend) and thought I would get some new plugs. The > current plugs are NGK BP8HS-10. These come up in google searches as being > used for marine applications, though there's nothing in the part number > that indicates that use. > Engine is about 170 psi compression, 12:1, guessing from the cam that the > engine will be running between 4,000 and 7,000 RPM. Plugs are running > light-medium brown, so apparently about the right heat range. > Recommendations for plugs, or should I stick with what I've got? > > Here's the current spec: > non-resistor plug > Thread Size: 14mm > Thread Reach: 12.7mm (1/2") > Hex Size: 13/16" > Heat Range: 8 > Gap: 1.02mm (.040") > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 17:57:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3BB2D02CE for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859FD2D01EC for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9MNgsQA020033; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:42:54 -0400 Received: from core-mse004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.77]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A708EE000085; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:42:53 -0400 (EDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> <001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com Received: from 216.51.203.118 by Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.209) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:42:53 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:42:53 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350949374; bh=5M+Hz7kd7mGe8ylvna2/MwMvq2KN/LgTZkuPE1Rm+lg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Di08veysqM4JYonjefxiGOwn6gYZTSUXQUBahk8cVwdhGwKi1q/TjtI0JkMWPNDGo 4jWdHD3kr19pqW7V5jex9re2uJuAflpdkrsMwFcNEcdUON+mldkeoO+2s3G9QtlFNx tzh21CDzh7cz0LmqlGTJ73PSUypI+oe33yLzI1Us= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33895085d9fd5c37 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net a trebuchet will 'fling' your lucas a long distance. afterwards, it will have been 'flung'. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------- two of our TRs have LUCAS with CRANE/ALLISON....a third one will be fitted in the future. All done by ADVANCED DISTRIBUTORs.....typically the first choice of the FOT in the midwest. Jeff recommended the CRANE/ALLISON over the PERTRONIX for racing. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'Bill Babcock' ; 'Scott Janzen' Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'' Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:44 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion "flung" - that's a nice word. Never heard it before. I like it. Have to look what it means. Ah, I see. Catapult language. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Montag, 22. Oktober 2012 18:09 An: Scott Janzen Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Gee, maybe I shouldn't have flung all those Lucas dizzies with my catapult. We do know that Mallory's come apart every so often. The stops break off and the weights mill the insides. If you're running points all that aluminum dust ends your race, while if you have a pertronix, it doesn't. On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I had an informative talk with Jeff at Advanced Distributors this morning. He recommended a 45D Lucas with a 25D shaft assembly, cuz the larger diameter of the 45 cap eliminates cross-fire issues. He balances the assembly, puts in a full length shaft bushing, and makes some other improvements. He uses a high quality cap with added ribbing, and says it does not flex, fits tightly and does not have the problems of most replacement caps available. He also supplies rotors (red) made for him. He says he can run the single points set-up to 10,000 rpm on his machine without scatter. My unit will be set up with advance of 18 degrees at idle (1500 rpm) going to full advance by 3000 rpm. > > Of interest to me was the comments he had about Mallory, which is what > I have in the GT6. He was very critical of the light springs, which he said stretch and cause scatter at all rpms. The shaft bushings don't last, and the plastic bushings on the centrifugal weights don't last either. He indicated that these units ought to rebuilt once a year, but stay in spec for only a few months, and doesn't recommend them for that reason. I mentioned that inserting the Unilite electronic module in mine seemed to have cured the scatter I saw with a timing light, and he responded that the electronic unit masks the scatter from poor bushings, but it's still there. He will rebuild these, but says it's not cost-effective in the long run. > > So, there's a modified Lucas 45 on the way for the TR4, with points > for now, at a very reasonable price. He doesn't need cores at this point - has 1500 on hand. > > Thanks to the group for all the feedback. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 18:24:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2F92D02E0 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail5.pem.dotster.com (mail5.dotsterhost.com [72.5.54.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7C62C0254 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20144 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2012 00:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zap6) (list@mackenzie.aero@[70.253.92.91]) by 72.5.54.239 with SMTP; 23 Oct 2012 00:06:14 -0000 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'FOT List'" Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:06:10 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2wsjSa0t35NPJqThOkQlv1YB0NHQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] TR4s for Sale in Austin, Texas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Posting this for a friend who has some cars needing new homes. Pick them up on F1 weekend! ************************************************************************ Three TR4s for sale One 1962 One 1963 One 1964 All are red with wire wheels, and all are located at Ron Shimek Auto at 824 Romeria Dr in Austin, very near the DPS office at 2222 and Lamar. Call me 1st if you'd like to look and either I can meet you there or let Ron know you are coming by. He can answer many of your questions about each. All have clear titles and are ready for legal sale Here are the currently available pictures: http://photobucket.com/TR4s The unlabeled pix are of the 1962; the other two are labeled with the year first, then pic number, so you can tell them apart. They are in various conditions: 1962 is ready to drive with new timing chain and new front wheel bearings. Tires are tired, needs paint and could use some rocker repair, but have all trim. Interior is decent, excellent top. Will need some tinkering with electrics to get inspected. Ideally Offers over $9k-I have more than this into it. The 1963 is ready to restore but has nice correct signal red paint, a couple spots need wet-sanding down low to eliminate minor runs. Top ok. Needs interior re-do, has metal dash and the speedo and tach were re-worked, ready to go back into the car. Except for one small spot bubbling under pain on hood, car is pretty much rust free. The car was owned by a retired preacher in San Antonio, and was garaged for about 10 years. Motor was started and ran briefly, but needs carb work. Unknown condition of other mechanicals, but have no reason to believe any have major issues ('course, I could be wrong). This is a great solid car deserving of a proper resto. Prefer Offers over $4k The 1964 has the best paint, though not necessarily Triumph correct red, and suspect it was originally white. It has a brand new Triumph interior, red with white piping. Best wheels of the 3. Probably needs head gasket among other things, likely some clutch and brake hydraulics, too. Has an after-market hard top, not sure if it was ever actually attached to car, and unknown condition of soft top. I have $8k in this one. Way too much on my plate and need to sell all three-MOTIVATED! Would be happy to entertain a package deal for two or all three. Thanks! Dave Foreman Mobile: 512-576-1933 E: Dave@Beanitos.com; _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 23 01:05:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32B42D02CE for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B0B2D02A4 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 00:54:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p5so2544196lag.14 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:55:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Tbz+bdDWQCgvnS6gZQQF7pnnTPld0Le57MFzCsh/Tn4=; b=V/okHc2nqxzyhn3NOK0Vszns6Ri1iJj0GW+SeYsYFvAgYw63YXZ5cVK40DbrNQY02k p3uBNQ2QjKZGbuwyyRlxXrO7pdHv4MOvKYw5LHfsD7EfMvbTQRUHMtyNN23mqx1liBqy 4AlCn8WrfUDehhNqT8xwYOB6kQBs9CALwqmzzL0ohciDPC6p6+XljIL+ZFfYcBTmk3iY u0GCtQgDoQvZskRdOEyQ+OO6qN3XiRJx351p6SN4kuZFyOzt7qL1ktf5rnrn/rpRRP05 uKa/MxrHEzB/TnMjdd40Wenpu6FjLXq1l3SdJfdg+ZPrlKkFkOHqcPlcXNEs0QLbzkJC zHeg== Received: by 10.152.106.79 with SMTP id gs15mr10405792lab.31.1350975344146; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.86.69 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.86.69 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:55:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> <001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com> <8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:55:44 -0700 From: Christian Marx To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net So let me test the word. A F16 on an aircraft carrier will be fling off and as soon its in the air it had been flung? Am 23.10.2012 01:43 schrieb "Joe Alexander" : > a trebuchet will 'fling' your lucas a long distance. > > afterwards, it will have been 'flung'. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > two of our TRs have LUCAS with CRANE/ALLISON....a third one will be fittedin the future. > > All done by ADVANCED DISTRIBUTORs.....typically the first choice of the > FOT in the midwest. > > Jeff recommended the CRANE/ALLISON over the PERTRONIX for racing. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'Bill Babcock' ; 'Scott Janzen' > Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'' > Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:44 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion > > "flung" - that's a nice word. Never heard it before. I like it. Have to look > what it means. > Ah, I see. Catapult language. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net ] Im > Auftrag von Bill Babcock > Gesendet: Montag, 22. Oktober 2012 18:09 > An: Scott Janzen > Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion > > Gee, maybe I shouldn't have flung all those Lucas dizzies with my catapult. > > We do know that Mallory's come apart every so often. The stops break off and > the weights mill the insides. If you're running points all that aluminum > dust ends your race, while if you have a pertronix, it doesn't. > On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > I had an informative talk with Jeff at Advanced Distributors this morning. > He recommended a 45D Lucas with a 25D shaft assembly, cuz the larger > diameter of the 45 cap eliminates cross-fire issues. He balances the > assembly, puts in a full length shaft bushing, and makes some other > improvements. He uses a high quality cap with added ribbing, and says it > does not flex, fits tightly and does not have the problems of most > replacement caps available. He also supplies rotors (red) made for him. He > says he can run the single points set-up to 10,000 rpm on his machine > without scatter. My unit will be set up with advance of 18 degrees at idle > (1500 rpm) going to full advance by 3000 rpm. > > > > Of interest to me was the comments he had about Mallory, which is what > > I > have in the GT6. He was very critical of the light springs, which he said > stretch and cause scatter at all rpms. The shaft bushings don't last, and > the plastic bushings on the centrifugal weights don't last either. He > indicated that these units ought to rebuilt once a year, but stay in spec > for only a few months, and doesn't recommend them for that reason. I > mentioned that inserting the Unilite electronic module in mine seemed to > have cured the scatter I saw with a timing light, and he responded that the > electronic unit masks the scatter from poor bushings, but it's still there. > He will rebuild these, but says it's not cost-effective in the long run. > > > > So, there's a modified Lucas 45 on the way for the TR4, with points > > for now, > at a very reasonable price. He doesn't need cores at this point - has 1500 > on hand. > > > > Thanks to the group for all the feedback. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 23 05:14:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A882D0308 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9527C2C0D31 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 675701C0000BB; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dgc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.137]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 43C7AE000088; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:05:34 -0400 (EDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> <001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com> <8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> <8CF7F241AF7C0C0-17B0-340CC@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, n197tr4@cs.com Received: from 98.77.58.142 by webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.108) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:05:33 -0400 From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:05:34 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1350990335; bh=VyzFDEiZFmadH2G8HnDViyzbRiOx9yHhogaEAPIhbW4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UvkzoMkwE+w9BD6q7I1T397sY5SoSUeBP+Dp0ef7C4P8F+wbGYZl2PpIXmTsEtsyL SRulX5ZALvuPI9vj0FgeHUYTcE5S+xxYeQ+ALyy/tKdW61pAupK/hSjHV+gYESlQJy sW/+X7nL5Mn5O39bg+pbBM8TPhuEce5U2i6XP37w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a508679fe3ac2 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm... maybe... but the F16 isn't a carrier based aircraft.... (grin) Glen A F16 on an aircraft carrier -----Original Message----- From: Christian Marx To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:07 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion So let me test the word. 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[109.84.66.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j24sm5484433bkv.0.2012.10.23.04.32.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Barr, Scott'" , "'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph''" References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com><5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC><0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com><001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com><8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE9FA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:32:15 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2w7SW5R4sQEhXzT2CNGcdCaoZ1+wAI+QsAAAA3bcA= Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Now we've got it....the moderator got notice of your rubbishing around and hold back my last message. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Oktober 2012 13:26 An: Christian Marx Betreff: RE: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Will fling, is flinging and has flung. Scott _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 08:53:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFEB2D0468 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBCE2D041C for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9OErjKu023588; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:53:51 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'MadMarx'" , "'Barr, Scott'" , "'Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph''" References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com><5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC><0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com><001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com><8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE9FA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <001a01cdb112$0ff4c6c0$2fde5440$@com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:53:45 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2w7SW5R4sQEhXzT2CNGcdCaoZ1+wAI+QsAAAA3bcAAOSB20A== reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This whole discussion is so far flung that it escapes understanding! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:32 AM To: 'Barr, Scott'; 'Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Now we've got it....the moderator got notice of your rubbishing around and hold back my last message. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Oktober 2012 13:26 An: Christian Marx Betreff: RE: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Will fling, is flinging and has flung. Scott _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 09:46:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155FB2D04B4 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18072D037E for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A25871C000125 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.193]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7FE96E000094 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:01 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351092961; bh=PjwqMdc+OxzaXh1CX3dRyQiz4R9SMTpatyIw4d/lT0g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BRR2Gso2+fqryBZ5JbYLyPaCgariUs9yfbijhsfO68+DsJ4isII5EzucNdj2wRsAO Axm4t2bGA+Bw9XSIcRgxlAjTLzDoFjhEtyFH2tYT+0AS+aeJH7TZspC5eIxvKB9zzx YN+pIsJPD/6LMIY4YHpDiNpkB2VLeKeOezf9loQ8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c950880ae11e02 Subject: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Need information for the usual planning, which includes names on KCUP SHIRTS and estimating number of rooms to contract at the OSTHOFF as host hotel. Replying ASAP will help facilitate the work required. If it is your current intention to attend and/or enter the KASTNER CUP at ROAD AMERICA 6-8 SEPT 2013, please provide information. This information will be used by several people or groups. NAME__________________ CAR____________________ CAR #___________________ OSTHOFF?________________ ATTEND ONLY_______________ THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 09:46:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE80A2D0644 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F0A2D0387 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:35:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6464838000082; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dgd004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.205]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3F653E00008C; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT) To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, tr4racing@googlemail.com, sbarr@McCarty-Law.com, fot@autox.team.net From: fubog1 Received: from 98.77.58.117 by webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351093014; bh=N/5jkvHg2/w6hLLKBqBl+p6LO7hznQujSshizItvLkA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UtC6SNIYyKhFxg1mgZtsBw6aoy4DxdV5qGFpIzYB1O9WBLs3GNrcmbW8SPrmBu0YN GBvBPjsElSET1uDORFe9kNhbBH9h+b9ufD0c258+eLNzTv5wSOUs+UDRwdc9JM2UmO CS5fn4xc57evvBDxGYbYJAi+TDUtOYw/ebmeP6No= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c50880b166911 Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion explanation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A statement was made yesterday re an analogy to an F-16 launched off of a carrier... I made the perhaps smart-ass comment that the F-16 wasn't carrierbased, tongue-in-cheek, and my reply bounced back due to too much text.I sent another shortened reply. This was apparently interpreted by the OP to having been held by moderator forbeing offensive in some way. I made it clear in an email to the OP thatit was in no way intended to be offensive; this was a simplemisunderstanding. Sorry for the confusion... Glen This whole discussion is so far flung that it escapes understanding! Now we've got it....the moderator got notice of your rubbishing around and hold back my last message. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 10:08:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D792D04E2 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544642D046E for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p5so526128lag.14 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:05:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rCedg6HcPovCep4bnZtmz28Vd4ReFlobpQgbOe4mIR8=; b=y0FevkSLiMfx2Q/t3bn4N3w77hlNbdi1T0DXsUWy7t1iI2IeF2qx48C+xxMGLeCnMV pnPSNjIDY8j6wF2h7UBe5pddTaAMbUEYnVXiajcKgLjWRrJtWZIfcQq75GI2ICg1Hh55 Y6o6RhN9BpK1N9Pc0fOxCo4N9HMqh48nW1bnt8X61OF/TuAjfxbUMQjMnYdT/3ozb6bs 6t5rB9zzGRmUrWzypCO264yi5tLcrp0dQmosRTfV5JHwOTsuUHLzdSwHOCRPKB8y8jyp +x2lB8PWvRj3G0+M2kZvfWxhGpkPlsgdpZG93nqOB7l2fxmVM4CHYsscSqewJOMx2ZC1 0FYg== Received: by 10.112.37.7 with SMTP id u7mr6584282lbj.30.1351094722930; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.86.69 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.86.69 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:05:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <8CF801486ABE1AE-A00-293A3@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:05:22 -0700 From: Christian Marx To: fubog1 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion explanation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Was my fault. Did write one word wrong. Instead of our I wrote "your". So everything is okay with me. :-) Cheers Chris Am 24.10.2012 17:36 schrieb "fubog1" : > A statement was made yesterday re an analogy to an F-16 launched off of > a carrier... > I made the perhaps smart-ass comment that the F-16 wasn't carrier based, > tongue-in-cheek, and my reply bounced back due to too much text. I sent > another shortened reply. > This was apparently interpreted by the OP to having been held by moderator > for being offensive in some way. I made it clear in an email to the OP that > it was in no way intended to be offensive; this was a simple > misunderstanding. > Sorry for the confusion... > Glen > > This whole discussion is so far flung that it escapes understanding! > > > > > > > > > Now we've got it....the moderator got notice of your rubbishing around and > > > hold back my last message. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 10:11:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2943B2D04AB for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com (mail.mccarty-law.com [69.129.70.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BFC2D048C for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:12:48 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Thread-Index: Ac2x/upRtu+eYLkMSK6OFwNASp6OtwAA0S3g References: <8CF80146741D6D9-AA8-290E9@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com> From: "Barr, Scott" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net NAME: Scott Barr CAR: Spitfire CAR #49 OSTHOFF? Possibly, but I am usually a camper -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:36 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Need information for the usual planning, which includes names on KCUP SHIRTS and estimating number of rooms to contract at the OSTHOFF as host hotel. Replying ASAP will help facilitate the work required. If it is your current intention to attend and/or enter the KASTNER CUP at ROAD AMERICA 6-8 SEPT 2013, please provide information. This information will be used by several people or groups. NAME__________________ CAR____________________ CAR #___________________ OSTHOFF?________________ ATTEND ONLY_______________ THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 10:38:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AC52D04FE for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83792D04AB for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2012 16:30:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.248] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2012 16:30:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2012 16:30:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 8645 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2012 16:30:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351096224; bh=B+pC3qps5ygWPNkwPBZNc9TAGG0YXa5HZOEJzQj4+Vk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RDVVAvKyl1yg0YtpukRi419ATWCVll9k544UT2j6l4cGgh7KMVsfLE+MjY0apNZg1DYzsp+F0yln8Bvu1nGVMdk50tihxEU5n9btdNIU0jqHVu7w20sq6oDdYrnarr4yolGBmlUAicJJNbmnfYALiUm/KEc2iWMWsXeOHvv+HXY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iXyu7O7pge5uId2XxOoRYzTA3Y6uMZTm+ojOj9cTi8x/PBKY97dFuoXnyBsjJjkRjLOa148yPEobFE2xlqTmNHJ2gPO14W2qfZglIiJ+Z8fFkKBwna5aYWeUWFoVR9t4wY7dsj6Gvnj0tLUeoEpTeExc73K47SD1QF36rjBeJ3M=; uuIK9VSTvB4ouPhghDssBTo.SdXlAzIqF9gZI9YoAAMTsDvdJpy1fGzZQ5oJ hvMWAsRfCX5FHl5wZassI_IaOZFqsO5lZcl35XHbUeBSgy.Xe0ecCBkVH_IH cYuJzNcfBd7Hv8SJiyoo9vXhVPDjtkFJLwYykt9OFm_I5piDtF.ktk9FawfN pONAUwwNvd5EQqdbUap4J9YUZd63YYR7JKd5z7Yt3HW1vriEIotRpZlO6_OA aolkjhnqZ4Rjgw_YvVj.ry0gOQh94bvgIP77v4H9.BEoBCTUldsR64YNYkmk yHxqNyEHJIDYpcv1X3bDFJBna89ar2sCFQMc3F1diCoSj7GW4R03gW881EVR bOqTIWU1W7R22usoXvyi8tXezf9.B9oFQX7kkAe0B5bl3kjHKdHI6snfnsJT OwGcGxioQPHhV7LAd2zrJoydU4Le1QwKdzQ1e439KEnXVaCS5dwxtt14ZPxw lxmKeDVpzUnKNk80JdDo4.OmiTOqlSoGxTPhLFD_wKOeDJgjsAa.6UeYkUnR v3fCHyr1EbxT9 Received: from [64.132.65.78] by web140603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:30:24 PDT TkFNRTogRXJuaWUgSHVzbWFubgpDQVI6IFNwaXRmaXJlOyAxOTc1IEdQIENoYW1waW9uCkNhciAjOiA0IApPc3Rob2ZmOiBQb3NzaWJsZSBidXQgZG91YnRmdWwKQXR0ZW5kIE9ubHk6IElmIHRoZSBjYXIgaXNuJ3QgcmVhZHkKCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogSm9lIEFsZXhhbmRlciA8bjE5N3RyNEBjcy5jb20.ClRvOiBmb3RAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgClNlbnQ6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwgT2N0b2JlciAyNCwgMjAxMiAxMDozNiBBTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbRm90XSAyMDEBMAEBAQE- References: <8CF80146741D6D9-AA8-290E9@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernest Husmann To: Joe Alexander , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net NAME: Ernie Husmann CAR: Spitfire; 1975 GP Champion Car #: 4 Osthoff: Possible but doubtful Attend Only: If the car isn't ready ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Need information for the usual planning, which includes names on KCUP SHIRTS and estimating number of rooms to contract at the OSTHOFF as host hotel. Replying ASAP will help facilitate the work required. If it is your current intention to attend and/or enter the KASTNER CUP at ROAD AMERICA 6-8 SEPT 2013, please provide information. This information will be used by several people or groups. NAME__________________ CAR____________________ CAR #___________________ OSTHOFF?________________ ATTEND ONLY_______________ THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 10:57:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861192D05C0 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CF82D04DE for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id c11so1304345qad.14 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=gLai0t54aN3KAZbUo9GlpoVr8vJq8tKLRKnhUZdvf0s=; b=WC1JW0sxvzkBGqoqrK+vKvSDXCinvrH5e+rcO58NYc7+48xnEz1VNxE/eKLrW2yy/r NDwgEVto89YK8FIkTaL1BR0to9D9smUmZJZoFTkEjODkjSLiOBdB1YzzCX/RrHlQzFTb RIM4sIw72FxlVTfkGCKba4MKb1N4Us8EVRYQ+2L59NAs0pYbqu8jIuN4IEnUQmkPCHqu PhPfZbRc6QPYUwTma2xEylvGPP3pO5hudE7/l0m62HwaAPFajho0erCpgXDba8l2w5U1 VqQph/Mv1PjefqJR5V3Il145lYpMCzk84IWJrgMF7L3EVmkJTd7mw2wVYIwC5p/PkMsw EKLw== Received: by 10.229.115.38 with SMTP id g38mr1880010qcq.142.1351097833927; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.169 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:57:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <8CF80146741D6D9-AA8-290E9@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:57:13 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Name: Jason Ostrowski Car: 1969 GT6+ Car #: 27 Osthoff: No On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Need information for the usual planning, which includes names on KCUP > SHIRTS > and estimating number of rooms to contract at the OSTHOFF as host hotel. > Replying ASAP will help facilitate the work required. > > If it is your current intention to attend and/or enter the KASTNER CUP at > ROAD > AMERICA 6-8 SEPT 2013, please provide information. This information will > be > used by several people or groups. > > > NAME__________________ > CAR____________________ > CAR #___________________ > OSTHOFF?________________ > ATTEND ONLY_______________ > > > THANKS! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 11:09:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CBD2D050B for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com (mail.mccarty-law.com [69.129.70.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B22E2D04DB for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:01:58 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Thread-Index: Ac2yCSzuXI5YSAwyThu3Drcmtr0ORQAAA61w From: "Barr, Scott" To: Subject: [Fot] FW: 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net NAME Russ and Terry Westfall_________________ CAR__TR4A__________________ CAR #__not assigned yet_________________ OSTHOFF? _yes_______________ ATTEND ONLY_______________ From: Russell Westfall [mailto:rwestfall@ymail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:40 AM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE --- On Wed, 10/24/12, Barr, Scott wrote: From: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: fot@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 4:12 PM NAME: Scott Barr CAR: Spitfire CAR #49 OSTHOFF? Possibly, but I am usually a camper -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:36 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Need information for the usual planning, which includes names on KCUP SHIRTS and estimating number of rooms to contract at the OSTHOFF as host hotel. Replying ASAP will help facilitate the work required. If it is your current intention to attend and/or enter the KASTNER CUP at ROAD AMERICA 6-8 SEPT 2013, please provide information. This information will be used by several people or groups. NAME_Russ and Terry Westfall_________________ CAR__TR4A__________________ CAR #__not assigned yet_________________ OSTHOFF?_yes_______________ ATTEND ONLY_______________ THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall@ymail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 11:42:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F382D05C7 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B872D0155 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:35:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.82.249.212:19001] by server-12.bemta-12.messagelabs.com id F6/5F-01763-B2728805; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:36:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 17955 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2012 17:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chis0084.am.amersports.int) (198.184.220.8) by server-8.tower-219.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 24 Oct 2012 17:36:42 -0000 Received: from chis0084.am.amersports.int ([10.3.251.84]) by chis0084.am.amersports.int ([10.3.251.84]) with mapi; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:36:42 -0500 From: "Reed, John" To: Joe N197TR4 , 'Friends of Triumph' Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:36:40 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Thread-Index: Ac2x/uZ236MC3ma7TIKzm2JrrsgwawADzmN+ Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/24/12 10:36 AM, "Joe N197TR4" wrote: Need information for the usual planning, which includes names on KCUP SHIRTS and estimating number of rooms to contract at the OSTHOFF as host hotel. Replying ASAP will help facilitate the work required. If it is your current intention to attend and/or enter the KASTNER CUP at ROAD AMERICA 6-8 SEPT 2013, please provide information. This information will be used by several people or groups. NAME_ John Reed_________________ CAR 1969 GT6+ Hopefully____________________ CAR # 69___________________ OSTHOFF? Camping________________ ATTEND ONLY I will be there car or no car_______________ THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed@wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3433927000_228101709] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 11:43:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00692D0513 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A22F2D0156 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so1375876ied.14 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:44:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0tZpRtpZbo05lpijRroCB3fcX5o6u5rLEJFRKBRuM/g=; b=JyNwVPKg6cXeTMjqvNno1LrShClr0WUBGR3VvFl1JHqtCiWiPf8qmUvZCt1x/8RS8z bG0NTUABhujOPgpXDBnEcI1SwMJTO9KL2beRlEGye82KLHbLa3Il8v+jcE6wca56T0+F uvuu/BcuMYBWbLx1ksGY2Wm7YVQvYcr270czEFe6pxwJ6NrET37z/EI9IQKg97NGW1Ta Hw8lkp6BjEYeRxhVW1YQjakLW1+FXYinVBWjR86EkbfruBWJN/2uG9MNg6Rjc5GjxGFR gvJbxa7Aou09kn9Egwx4yMxv4AHQDt3iDrl7LywpccXDSCGgQpukMN6mG7D7ndb1Sp07 3+oA== Received: by 10.50.194.169 with SMTP id hx9mr3228503igc.70.1351100690781; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.91.195 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:44:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <8CF80146741D6D9-AA8-290E9@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:44:50 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Coming this year for sure: Chuck Arnold TR6 74 Camping On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Need information for the usual planning, which includes names on KCUP > SHIRTS > and estimating number of rooms to contract at the OSTHOFF as host hotel. > Replying ASAP will help facilitate the work required. > > If it is your current intention to attend and/or enter the KASTNER CUP at > ROAD > AMERICA 6-8 SEPT 2013, please provide information. This information will > be > used by several people or groups. > > > NAME__________________ > CAR____________________ > CAR #___________________ > OSTHOFF?________________ > ATTEND ONLY_______________ > > > THANKS! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan@gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 11:44:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60672D06CB for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47D32D048B for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9OHjC3e023019 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:45:12 -0400 Received: from core-mtc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.5]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B201BE000086 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:45:11 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351100711; bh=kNknw35/llAIaseEwNCw0fKSUOCN14EYZaq/t1AGBxY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y/36YaY3sXuh+2AyzO/1u9bHQSVWf81Nw5qU65DXVmXp92iOIAbrRHJe6Abtp76fH t7aEUBsHCpoUzRcqHQfpZOsGiwU10EkSn75u+6rMazDenWwflVK62Kk7bEKeRLa2qW 1kd5ZfO/8XyvOSs0uVFWlkVdk4LCnZ8KBQUwbqDI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2908508829270311 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Return-path: From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE To: n197tr4@cs.com In a message dated 10/24/2012 10:47:27 AM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4@cs.com writes: > NAME__Bill Dentinger________________ > CAR____1956 Triumph TR3________________ > CAR #___29________________ > OSTHOFF?______NO Thank You_________ > ATTEND ONLY_______________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 12:13:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2942D04F0 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wcnet.org (mailhub.wcnet.org [64.31.64.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3802D0347 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:02:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from authmail.wcnet.org (authmail.wcnet.org [64.31.64.16]) by mail.wcnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5E31874680 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SnookPC (rrcs-98-102-104-227.central.biz.rr.com [98.102.104.227]) by authmail.wcnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1135B42050B for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:03:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeff Snook" To: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:03:40 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2yEeW4hBJ128j/QAWgKDx4lwev6w== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net NAME: Jeff Snook CAR: 1961 Triumph TR3A CAR #: 41 OSTHOFF?: Possibly Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 12:58:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7272D0500 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3642D04B4 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9OIpWu0028942 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:51:32 -0400 Received: from core-msc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.193]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 16390E000082 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:51:32 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:51:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:51:32 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351104692; bh=wwV/47hfLp9gDAHg59gC8qSV72UMloR4Pp+5/rfXy+4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Akmtew433d7mPG/3w2eZj/nuaAmpnDH/x6FYN8PQfhCM4//wEBS+G/Ih27zx+dNHV pTH4QoBiSK53dt2BbL/bhBvOZ9MF62c5vXz8/zNk0fbyQEDnbk2gUL3Vp+O09aAFrs jZPuYw7f6f+OYXlR5UW1RSZvL4oHTHIOcixzBqyY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c9508838b453b0 Subject: [Fot] NEWS YOU CAN USE: OSTHOFF NEGOTIATED RATES AND WEBSITE KASTNER CUP 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Note: Contract has not been signed yet. Do not make reservations yet.....When contract is signed, make reservations as soon as possible under 'FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH' to ensure desired rooms and best rates. WEBSITE: To review floor plans and amenities: WWW.OSTHOFF.COM FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH RATES 'GUEST ROOMS' $139.00 'ONE BEDROOM SUITE' $159.00 'TWO BEDROOM SUITE' $189.00 'THREE BEDROOM SUITE' $239.00 HINTS: LIVING ROOM HAS HIDE-A-BED AND IF YOU HAVE ANY FRIENDS YOU CAN SPLIT THE COSTS.....MANY OF US ARE. I will likely sign contract in a week or so. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 14:19:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F762D0504 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:19:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951672D04A6 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5EC2E064 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:20:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:20:13 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <00fe01cdb211$e6190540$b24b0fc0$@org> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll be there, no car, Osthoff most likely. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 17:51:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485E82D02F3 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from email.consolidated.net (omr04.consolidated.net [72.22.9.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB66B2D0210 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from client-72-251-169-90.consolidated.net (EHLO _192.168.0.106_) ([72.251.169.90]) by omr04.consolidated.net (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id IUA22709 (AUTH triumphs@consolidated.net); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:52:15 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CF80146741D6D9-AA8-290E9@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com> From: Home Consolidated Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:52:15 -0500 To: Joe Alexander actions=TAG refid=str=0001.0A020204.50887F2F.0093, ss=1, re=0.000, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine refid=str=0001.0A020204.50887F2F.0093, ss=1, re=0.000, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sent from my iPad On Oct 24, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Need information for the usual planning, which includes names on KCUP SHIRTS > and estimating number of rooms to contract at the OSTHOFF as host hotel. > Replying ASAP will help facilitate the work required. > > If it is your current intention to attend and/or enter the KASTNER CUP at ROAD > AMERICA 6-8 SEPT 2013, please provide information. This information will be > used by several people or groups. > > > NAME__Ken Gano_________ > CAR_____not a race car_______________ > CAR #___________________ > OSTHOFF?_____yes___________ > ATTEND ONLY__yes_____________ > > > THANKS! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs@consolidated.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 18:10:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10FB2D02F3 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BB12D0206 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87AC2E072 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:11:59 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] List problems? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net While whacking on the archive issue and stuff I got to thinking. Are there any outstanding issues folks are having with this list, unanswered nominations or such? I tend to get a LOT of team.net mail and sometimes it does slip through the cracks. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 20:22:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169592D0301 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:22:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DDF2D02FC for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W14 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:17:56 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Joe Alexander , FOT Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:17:56 -0400 References: <8CF80146741D6D9-AA8-290E9@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com> FILETIME=[F2358DE0:01CDB256] Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net NAME___Marty Sukey_______________ CAR_________Spitfire___________ CAR #_________8__________ OSTHOFF?______YES__________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 21:14:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAD42D0330 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.191]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875212D02FD for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 03:15:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.199] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 03:15:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 03:15:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 98644 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2012 03:15:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351134923; bh=cRgdyTdGxnl/E4eM1nIMby6tsNuGGguqoP+aVp9u12k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kUvC1J2V8L5Y4hrY5hxq4cP+F0A4miPeaeGtm3LuwsnzVENJ9+A8e/TvqcLw6G6aDoIjLi40N9EECaEU0XIW5MvbS6yx6jqec/1dmcS0MQvtDvbh5qgjK5S/hkxDdL8Q58k70PkFQv3d+ZZVnYRt1GFClVsMpSqA8VXLuwPSn4Y= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Taka5ZSYB2/2Uc+SWeyCtgfNVj+Pu8km/pHAKxsAd/UNZIsHuzXbBrh9ea/qXoUjfLmFutIWR8TIyB+tnK6jWgwL+OYANZHOg4w/6EBde1XoKln5U12gL8t9Z0AghhWAEu0PpjluveTAySbKwskHO4qlSrvKvm3VwmU8B5MtF5Q=; 1wYas72Ccrqf40Au76ARr3FrG9mCtUTd25EV3ZSslCpVcU7XrjO__qTSde8j ANM6QwBiA2JHPolMsKWYj8BVSR3jci7ap9lTI4XPpuuj5KYksWH_3ZfbUcTX HTeNeEODz_zq.SWUy63my9wH84xK0FLDP.tVthtF4LKzlt_dUiM0ykPkLkeq iFDwL_5oH6tgnKe76X5TSLwGZup_P3dd1IEo2eQQFN9qllXlOmIfgZPslHpW BTF45WWJXgVeMWL209oWCQNXfuM7e1OihvZlaCLlwxsxbUGC9285unlblcrm 8z9bBfgzy5a3E5Rj9AbbbyHDlIZRM0to7L8pRP3itfxrAK8UPTNC8g91k_Fj kHnkMRkzJtN4sTp5Uv08GVwkNp0EM2TOxpfH1oK6vjl.qDq18W7dS91_aQuq e0xPJQ7ggJ9WofGm.XQ-- Received: from [66.192.188.2] by web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:15:23 PDT RG9lcyBzb21lIG9uZSBoYXZlIHNwYXJlIEg2IEJlbGwgY3JhbmsgLSBNb3NzICMgMzcxLTQyMC7CoCAKwqAKVGhhbmtzIC0gTWlrZSBNZWhsATABAQEB Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:15:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] H6 Bell crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does some one have spare H6 Bell crank - Moss # 371-420. Thanks - Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 21:55:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0B02D0317 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:55:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.190]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AA52D030C for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:52:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 03:53:21 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 03:53:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 03:53:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 72005 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2012 03:53:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351137201; bh=lz9UMLgaU/4fzvH4rUaq0JLPNo1fWQb0ryBN3CCbys0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NGU/FAKPhH9aCoaU7RNjNQ7GA/8AHOwCIf3ybIvZq4tQ736O4CPV9BdVbqTnsyCU7guEX25//cxCuwMwIZoGHy/ZsIsHJxk0SfBAzcewqAyQ+3990i8oCfHv+9SMLcjiP06baXSw340dgTvUq5aLLvMK+uKXmoDWaD026RW9T3Q= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qa7S8E61WKYDXZAnYshiJ082+6zg8WA2ffbbMVw+Bg9/gH+uZWNjKy2PcsLUYvLHGFP/deYcZOkVu4D+ICDYJ5ioCyQA8MBjGZ9Do8CJ0pJxI7R50QzkNMdiIRc48/immsbVQRwMHtWD2nSzHc8pG1aHUxfBKsYvc+tkZfV4EvU=; C.1UETyql420wR7tEdz9RKk.Tmoa0CydWlnMlwlozQnbUcDud8c4vvaXkk7e nkOlwWiTMX44hmtRjZjrei9QU8r9fOR5Q.pQ9qUSFadyZPJgEpnrtqdQoi64 Ktsh88uiY6lEwr6D_TJ94zByIxtYt4eM9I34KPUo0TZ5r6mONR60Bbx6y6KP 3FSRaIyK0g4Az_wpDIK5d7PI.JolIAkcKo5dk0enk6MSgGuKDGwBY1p1wHp0 MI7a3dgw2xzlz0h_nXKH43VCxh.rx_l1sAPbExyNtPHd1AxXypQws_MC7rKo NM8ZF0XuFavwXUddkGs1lH4kl40wj1hhtNbSCheOPo7OdElGUFNdcIHAK0JQ B._1UybVzVfgIKlNpI91eHeOi3uoUo3F4EBrBBXF9P7YRcQ-- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:53:21 PDT Sm9lLi4uLi4KCgoKCgpCb2JieSBXaGl0ZWhlYWQKVHJpdW1waCBHVDYKIzM5Cm1heWJlIDIgZm9yIGEgSG90ZWwgaWYgbXkgd2lmZSBjb21lcywgb3IgY2FtcCBUcml1bXBoZXR0ZSBUcmF2ZWwgVHJhaWxlciAKTG9kZ2UuLi4gCgpUcnkgdG8gcmFjZSwgaWYgdGhhdCBkb2Vzbid0IHdvcmssIEhlbnJ5IHdpbGwgYmxvY2sgbWUgaW4gYW5kIEknbSBhdHRlbmRpbmcuLi4uCgpzdGFydGluZyBvbiBhIG5ldyBsdW1wIHRoaXMgd2ludGVyLi4uLiBzb29vb29vLi4uLiB5b3Uga25vdy4uLi4KCkJvYmJ5IFdoaXRlaGUBMAEBAQE- References: <8CF80146741D6D9-AA8-290E9@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fw: 2013 KASTNER CUP PLANNING NEED INFO PLEASE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe..... Bobby Whitehead Triumph GT6 #39 maybe 2 for a Hotel if my wife comes, or camp Triumphette Travel Trailer Lodge... Try to race, if that doesn't work, Henry will block me in and I'm attending.... starting on a new lump this winter.... soooooo.... you know.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 08:06:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CC32D04B3 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003A92D0150 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id fl17so2282968vcb.14 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:07:07 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=u7UZvubqF6NbuLuXzHMlUOJkLPsbRgHcfdjyOmF+3GA=; b=Ls20JSMystCGpyMbYCJqWbMnk5vbdn4HOOPLWgtNKqYVN4T3G8bd/Wj9rpQ7uMRRf5 1t9qfNI/U1jzwN4Y2IgMRUF3lN7zkk5r1t+Cce8Ql4A1Dfnukvfq8CgMh9r8QGyj2Fcu Tb3H5CYZoCWX58nrWCUD0vOINZujaGniYM8bSsFZ20ybNiJKBUEVCtLyudu1LixQO48C 3nU0a8b4/IdlYESchM/WKT+nEPsBcdZ3rDLiag/2u5XhV8VFb72HoIiqnFgo70sFoeFZ ntSpv6k9qlJ8l00HhKSrgbZEF8N0QCZBR5Ia3ouURIyNMiN+ncRfjdnK/YC79ix/bSzx eoyQ== Received: by 10.221.2.10 with SMTP id ns10mr14129649vcb.25.1351174027066; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.7.21 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:07:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> <001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com> <8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE9FA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <001a01cdb112$0ff4c6c0$2fde5440$@com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:07:06 -0700 From: MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS To: john hasty Cc: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Now you know how the rest of us feel when we hire attorneys.......... MP On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:53 AM, john hasty wrote: > This whole discussion is so far flung that it escapes understanding! > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:32 AM > To: 'Barr, Scott'; 'Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion > > Now we've got it....the moderator got notice of your rubbishing around and > hold back my last message. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Oktober 2012 13:26 > An: Christian Marx > Betreff: RE: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion > > Will fling, is flinging and has flung. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy@dishmail.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 09:19:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048A32D0621 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail5.pem.dotster.com (mail5.dotsterhost.com [72.5.54.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F552C0C2D for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 26528 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2012 15:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zap6) (list@mackenzie.aero@[70.253.92.91]) by 72.5.54.239 with SMTP; 25 Oct 2012 15:11:32 -0000 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'FOT List'" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:11:22 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2ywv5G1rNVtG4MReWAORXCtxKNJg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Wanted: GT6 Roroflex rear suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anybody have a set of re-buildable GT6 MK3 rotoflex rear suspension parts they don't need anymore? I am in the process of restoring a car for my wife and the lower control arms and uprights I removed are badly corroded. Thanks! Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 10:52:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776302D05C3 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:52:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAED02C0458 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va7so2257481obc.14 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:53:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EtSQaezVSPGA7htX5TI+ee+iQBm/FoHyKyQ565r8Cx4=; b=Gn3Ob1iT8Ng9HwL7bAZi1YQ1C86ada/y2OMYz19rexUgIzNrpSSBnt9hGg55p+tJG+ SSh8PvBavm+s7qYG/WABEjpTgX3jI2dEkw5olGzaevne5EPoW2jRj8fxQmNi79h/Hzf7 6rR81jHgfEQWoW6TP8vKDcquSc3GIfoymn1wJvz0kbHI+ANMvo6gzzC2+GC8y9Bcq/2s Hzhw7egpZUtOAFZUWUhEaK6e9Uw4V9Q4ipVne19Ytc8zYz29vBn00G3g7d2AqQAkpUSE 972Dx067bP2QTlrc+jbbgAsp3vsIBvRHxqW5yAuaM/W1+hhokIcMrTOfRLEGDo+PiTzp j4lg== Received: by 10.60.170.165 with SMTP id an5mr17181221oec.34.1351184005092; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.78.36 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:53:25 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Friends Subject: [Fot] 2 trannies for FOT before Ebay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am disposing of two TR6 transmissions and thought I would offer them to FOT before posting on eBay [no big hurry to sell]. One is a newly rebuilt close ratio 4 speed. Has the Dolomite Sprint input and higher second gear. New syncros, bearings and 3rd gear. Great racing four speed. This has the 1" by 23 spline input shaft, so a different froms tock clutch plate is needed. I have a 7.25 Quartermaster dual plate clutch and two sets of clutch disks [one used a season, one brand new] that I am willing to include with this transmission. I would like to get $1100 for it [the gearsets alone cost $600]. Certainly open to offers. The second is a 4 speed with A-type overdrive. This came with my race car [which was a roller]. I used it twice [but never with the OD as I did not setup wiring for it]. Bob Cramer had rebuilt this tranny for Richard Junkermeier [of Wyotech-- the one who built the Ambro for Joe]. I replaced the solenoid and the plate it attaches to with expectations of using the OD -- but go the close ratio box instead. Would like $900 for this one. I am open to any comments on price or offers to buy. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 11:08:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42432D0624 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CFB2C1786 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9PH9Y8c029524; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:09:34 -0400 Received: from core-mtc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.5]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D45FAE000089; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:09:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:09:33 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351184973; bh=ELU+p2SjOsr1R/xCmllcmusKvKsVSLFhikYurvYP3DY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X4CMIKHJiKtToFOkMPK5Xj80Jm95xDe2vph2zU+zV5jN8uo12etajaOsAG2emby58 1tQD9RZAmATbq0ajXApU89TgEdGpKl3PeZ0qpVdmkWNkahWzy3cxAEBAJ5cFbP8m15 ulG1ZS/GcE1U/qj0EjM6tY6pXdVSImbtgnAmiZtE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29095089724d4354 Cc: rdwismer@mchsi.com Subject: [Fot] Tornado Talisman & Lotus Elan reunited... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... While I have not seen it yet, there is an extensive article in the November issue of MONTHLY CLASSIC (UK) about the Tornado Talisman and the Lotus Elan. Back in the early 1960s they were both being 'birthed' at the same time when Tornado Cars and Lotus were competitors. It is my understanding that at one time Tornado Cars was bigger than Lotus and the Tornado Cars models all used many Triumph parts. Below is a copy of a letter to the MONTHLY CLASSIC editor from Bill Woodhouse (one of the Tornado Cars founders) about the article, and I thought it might be of interest to some FOT folk. > On 17 Oct 2012, at 11:10 am, Bill & Ann Woodhouse wrote: > > >> Needless to say I read your excellent November issue with more than >> usual interest and thank you for the eight pages of superb photographs and >> details. >> >> One point though mystifies me; on page 3, under the Tornado Talisman - >> Essential Checks is stated:- >> "Rear hubs are prone to movement causing bearing wear." The two Triumph >> hubs, as you explain are "Arc welded" back to back and movement here is >> impossible. The two big ball bearings that Tornado uses, as opposed to the >> single one Triumph uses, are a push fit into machined recesses, each end >> of the trunnion, five inches apart and retained by a plate incorporating a >> grease seal. There is no possibility of movement here. >> >> I have to wonder whether whoever made this remark is confusing the >> necessity to check the torque of the wheel hub retaining nut on a new assembly >> after 500 miles. The morse taper fit wheel hub and drive shaft, after >> bedding in, needs nipping up to 45 lbs/feet torque. I am not alone in >> overlooking this after my rebuild, with disastrous results. I was severely >> reprimanded by my old Engineering Foreman, Eric Martin, for not reading the >> owner's manual I had written in 1961, deservedly so. Other owners have made >> this oversight. The warning presumably also applies to all Heralds, >> Vitesse and Spitfires! >> >> >> Yours, >> >> >> Bill Woodhouse _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 11:21:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247542D0639 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:21:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF14E2D0500 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EEE0D1C0000E4; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.5]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CA8ECE000086; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:20:52 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:20:52 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351185652; bh=jTCCqmP6e1XbsjXxC1b3iyLLpZrHpISmtWFyOM6Dp1Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EigVqun2b7l8/xHhqpA7MpmuzsabMScI/Jai0taCKOFaLgUFUylUwBUW3EncjM4J2 EldyM3chOsmQ0DxzbbRubzWtJpinRTILHKAu8wavFYdWwLnuYsdS6atNC9ZgbYDmJo +RYOlDGrX/AiRjMIwXcYKGZA3fsIM+8bJ6Db1Aes= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d508974f42fa5 Cc: rdwismer@mchsi.com Subject: [Fot] Tornado Talisman & Spitfire reprise... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... Being an early TR3 racer, much of this is GREEK to me, but here is some more concerning that CLASSIC MONTHLY article and Tornado Cars ties to TRIUMPH, the editor, Gary Stretton, got back to Tornado Cars founder, Bill Woodhouse, and his response included: <<< Interesting point you make re the rear hubs. I'll see if we can clarify the statement. I'm a Spitfire owner myself but I'm not familiar with the Tornado setup. Sounds as if the setups have been confused. >>> to which Bill Woodhouse then responded: <<< Dear Gary, No apologies needed. As a Spitfire owner you will be familiar with the outer trunnion on your drive shaft. As I couldn't bring myself to accept the geometry of a swing axle with a high roll centre I had Hardy Spicer make articulated drive shafts. To support the final short end of the drive shaft I simply welded the Triumph trunnions back to back, dispensed with the roller bearing but used the two big outer ball bearings, packing the space between with grease. The two vertical swinging arms that attached the Triumph trunnion to the transverse leaf spring I welded to the now back to back trunnions but downwards to locate my lower transverse swinging arms, thus utilising all Standard Triumph parts. If you have a copy of Martyn Morgan Jones' excellent book "Winds of Change" you will see reproduced a surprisingly good cut-away drawing by "Sports Car Graphic" in the States (April 1962) which shows very clearly the fabrication I am talking about. I could do a sketch for you if needed. Hope this will help with any future comments. You most certainly did a wonderful head-to-head comparison. What surprised me is that an Elan S1 is valued at #30.000 to #40,000 in good condition. I have asked my insurers to reassess the agreed valuation of my Talisman! All the very best, Bill Woodhouse _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 11:36:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6382D0630 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491922D0305 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 03:42:06 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.108] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 03:42:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 03:42:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 62122 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2012 03:42:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351136525; bh=QOT/DwTaizpE0DIly5DPuUuXK2PT5X1/v9hCzzR/zhw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BmbuxBL0efpSBUw/2k4zMndXrPSGJvDs8pG2aV3UwHtpJTH06nMCTUj0bRNiEBk5Kbr7d7JcLfBLtSqJkB4MrbSaCJ0zQCfJPVIwFIY7Vaa0/NMrTBefTfAktEG0452ljfjZFGGXdL3jf4sRoOEcbefb6T0whsjbQnRiY4q/4pA= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4sdlhCsDCWKMGLNFIfqiHDCyXPqxz+PO7nvZI2EDYoJJ+yclUga7w2neg9MH9f72foUzUzTtRaBOqm9IG76V+5xtAweweK8mLS1VpV8VBuYLWk2YGtojZvp4clq4pTOgGNpjkaagN324hMsADfYrSUyGa7fV+5dLsFixHnyTUs4=; H2ybBefs4I6vEY85ugTNbAhOSzfXeud7YNsmlFy.rV4iyXSJZGHSO8xp6_wr xnpIkfgaNhYRyTaP7lAMulvPrNAmQjYugUReSFqSprjYBYaJOUox.1j3uVBh _dHDXZsTnFNchj4lewEairywj9BW1L7_0UIciY4O6oOXEbWao5eXt_MMc1Nd 925fgn5txeVetIDp4fOC.K3kv3hGX6YCDYgl.KvNLPd3Q11xH_J0cuTZ2utc sZXQKBdrrjtbwCjCF9qQPyuer.VWe3AhGHDRcNbBGNl8rj9ReGij0qL2vrnH mkuDfhVwGQpktLwvj_ve6N9jClt09o_Q7Jekb3JkKdiBrP8rwADKLZt_GtLd xdF3QvCd8mh3ptWiTWeQtVbS_piNY1g9j0aObzFtMUQZOupHTppGwHovkead 3igDOMZRvQqLDcR4NxE9DHypDjBqRivvU59nzMtJsrJ9CEcI2m6ptFtj5lTE SwCyYuA4- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:42:05 PDT Y29ycmVjdCBtZSBpZiBJJ20gd3JvbmcuLi5idXQgQU4gRjE2IGlzIGFuIEFpciBGb3JjZSB3ZWFwb24gb2YgbWFzcyBkZXN0cnVjdGlvbiwgCm5vdCBOYXZ5Li4uCgpub3cgZmxpbmcgYW4gRjE4IGFuZCB5b3UncmUgdGFsa2luZyBIb3JuZXRzIQoKQm9iYnkKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCkZyb206IENocmlzdGlhbiBNYXJ4IDx0cjRyYWNpbmdAZ29vZ2xlbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiBKb2UgQWxleGFuZGVyIDxuMTk3dHI0QGNzLmNvbT4KQ2M6IGZvdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldAoBMAEBAQE- References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> <001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com> <8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:42:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Christian Marx Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net correct me if I'm wrong...but AN F16 is an Air Force weapon of mass destruction, not Navy... now fling an F18 and you're talking Hornets! Bobby ________________________________ From: Christian Marx To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, October 23, 2012 2:07:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion So let me test the word. A F16 on an aircraft carrier will be fling off and as soon its in the air it had been flung? Am 23.10.2012 01:43 schrieb "Joe Alexander" : > a trebuchet will 'fling' your lucas a long distance. > > afterwards, it will have been 'flung'. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > > two of our TRs have LUCAS with CRANE/ALLISON....a third one will be fittedin >the future. > > All done by ADVANCED DISTRIBUTORs.....typically the first choice of the > FOT in the midwest. > > Jeff recommended the CRANE/ALLISON over the PERTRONIX for racing. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'Bill Babcock' ; 'Scott Janzen' > Cc: 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'' > Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:44 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion > > "flung" - that's a nice word. Never heard it before. I like it. Have to look > what it means. > Ah, I see. Catapult language. > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net >] Im > Auftrag von Bill Babcock > Gesendet: Montag, 22. Oktober 2012 18:09 > An: Scott Janzen > Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Best distributor/ignition for TR4 - conclusion > > Gee, maybe I shouldn't have flung all those Lucas dizzies with my catapult. > > We do know that Mallory's come apart every so often. The stops break off and > the weights mill the insides. If you're running points all that aluminum > dust ends your race, while if you have a pertronix, it doesn't. > On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > I had an informative talk with Jeff at Advanced Distributors this morning. > He recommended a 45D Lucas with a 25D shaft assembly, cuz the larger > diameter of the 45 cap eliminates cross-fire issues. He balances the > assembly, puts in a full length shaft bushing, and makes some other > improvements. He uses a high quality cap with added ribbing, and says it > does not flex, fits tightly and does not have the problems of most > replacement caps available. He also supplies rotors (red) made for him. He > says he can run the single points set-up to 10,000 rpm on his machine > without scatter. My unit will be set up with advance of 18 degrees at idle > (1500 rpm) going to full advance by 3000 rpm. > > > > Of interest to me was the comments he had about Mallory, which is what > > I > have in the GT6. He was very critical of the light springs, which he said > stretch and cause scatter at all rpms. The shaft bushings don't last, and > the plastic bushings on the centrifugal weights don't last either. He > indicated that these units ought to rebuilt once a year, but stay in spec > for only a few months, and doesn't recommend them for that reason. I > mentioned that inserting the Unilite electronic module in mine seemed to > have cured the scatter I saw with a timing light, and he responded that the > electronic unit masks the scatter from poor bushings, but it's still there. > He will rebuild these, but says it's not cost-effective in the long run. > > > > So, there's a modified Lucas 45 on the way for the TR4, with points > > for now, > at a very reasonable price. He doesn't need cores at this point - has 1500 > on hand. > > > > Thanks to the group for all the feedback. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 16:01:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C6B2D063D for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1034E2D0394 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 21:57:37 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.109] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 21:57:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 21:57:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 46590 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2012 21:57:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351202257; bh=ySmHEblyX8nS1vMxzs0mfDGwpuqFaXekfyc/R2Gr6ZA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=btICBncBkyWw5IGGTNcd2QI+grqKRoKPP4OuoqRxJVhEUJpB2/GyrO7CSfdBKg3JXhJCJlgYZuIozyTY37dsmJzEfqDAv2ko5NL6GVqpv55GgOamNv011rH4h4jUv+2Q/lacAkJhdVqiyCeHOlP9YSZSFzO8LtKagkjSU+GKKWE= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rYOqpqxci+m6dwJuon1Zzu9kTWtSfNV43KtMjEn1SVVAik0urieKMlNsfsLiw9z3C1a/McSdbLojEUMO+UQTYikRHqNQ9ByZ17kfIEfIufwY53sppIuHhNhFgsgXrS5CoBxWRqc2WFq61rjrYKwbil23Suzdf7Msa2ZyHjcPbh0=; Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:57:36 PDT Um9iZXJ0LCwsLCAgSSBoYXZlIHNvbWUgZm9yIHlvdSBidXQgaXQncyBnb2luZyB0byBjb3N0IHlvdSBhIDV0aCBvZiBQYXRyb24gYW5kIGEgCmNhc2Ugb2YgT3JpZ2luYWwgQ29vcnMuLi4uIG5vdy4uLiAgdGhhdCdzIGEgd2hvbGUgbmV3IGNhbiBvZiB3b3JtcyBhYm91dCBiZWVyIAphbmQgdGVxdWlsYSBJJ20gc3VyZS4uLgpjb250YWN0IG1lIG9mZiBsaXN0Li4uCkJvYmJ5IFdoaXRlaGVhZAoKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KRnJvbTogUm9iZXJ0IE1hY0tlbnppZSA8bGlzdEABMAEBAQE- References: <001101cdb2c2$febc1130$fc343390$@aero> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:57:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Wanted: GT6 Roroflex rear suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Robert,,,, I have some for you but it's going to cost you a 5th of Patron and a case of Original Coors.... now... that's a whole new can of worms about beer and tequila I'm sure... contact me off list... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert MacKenzie To: FOT List Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 10:20:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Wanted: GT6 Roroflex rear suspension Does anybody have a set of re-buildable GT6 MK3 rotoflex rear suspension parts they don't need anymore? I am in the process of restoring a car for my wife and the lower control arms and uprights I removed are badly corroded. Thanks! Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 16:02:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597382D0671 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E316B2D041C for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 22:00:18 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.121] by tm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 22:00:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2012 22:00:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 20363 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2012 22:00:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351202417; bh=QhYcRVSkXtNa6lzYhsSv86p2LhKnntabII7pnrqvzy4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sK4hxnjRvaThtAi/h2DNmpVArhK5nodcsZqxxvdjhH/5nZ2buSdZ3XtGB9/oLHfaYU7qqvXnLFS+26dEtVfb+wv40/rw42ptfcwN0cpPmEyxMiNQTK+FCdq/J039EcgfaFerQK0yTCBZ+u6bItkstZrfWKuKymX0ThsnJx/mUCI= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nVTvVcyc40FjdBAZvKWBzGMAoAKFnw4aqP33taJotZ6KFFeMsFF0H8zNFe2WnhVl0fh8pJvtleUyt1zzts9xZ8B3RQbno0wHETaKjtyxDp4+x5WkHsuBOYtjHlchxtFtcclXKY+x83+FzkaFLwu08Fcl8f9nlUK2dKkJpAe6J/w=; Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:00:17 PDT dGhlIGZpcnN0IG9uZSB3b3VsZCBiZSBhIGdyZWF0IHVwZ3JhZGUgZm9yIHRoZSBHVDYgYnkgdGhlIHdheSBmb3IgYSBHVDYgZ3V5IG9yIApnYWwgdGhhdCB3YW50cyBhIGJldHRlciB3YXkgdG8gZ28uLi4gSSd2ZSBnb3QgYSB2ZXJ5IHNpbWlsYXIgb25lIHdhaXRpbmcgaWYgSSAKZXZlciB0cnkgdG8gdXNlIGl0Li4uIHRoZSBjbG9zZSByYXRpbyBnZWFycyB3b3VsZCBiZSB0aGUgYm9tYi4uLgoKQm9iYnkKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCkZyb206IENodWNrIEFybm9sZCBhbmQBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 2 trannies for FOT before Ebay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net the first one would be a great upgrade for the GT6 by the way for a GT6 guy or gal that wants a better way to go... I've got a very similar one waiting if I ever try to use it... the close ratio gears would be the bomb... Bobby ________________________________ From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Friends Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 11:53:46 AM Subject: [Fot] 2 trannies for FOT before Ebay I am disposing of two TR6 transmissions and thought I would offer them to FOT before posting on eBay [no big hurry to sell]. One is a newly rebuilt close ratio 4 speed. Has the Dolomite Sprint input and higher second gear. New syncros, bearings and 3rd gear. Great racing four speed. This has the 1" by 23 spline input shaft, so a different froms tock clutch plate is needed. I have a 7.25 Quartermaster dual plate clutch and two sets of clutch disks [one used a season, one brand new] that I am willing to include with this transmission. I would like to get $1100 for it [the gearsets alone cost $600]. Certainly open to offers. The second is a 4 speed with A-type overdrive. This came with my race car [which was a roller]. I used it twice [but never with the OD as I did not setup wiring for it]. Bob Cramer had rebuilt this tranny for Richard Junkermeier [of Wyotech-- the one who built the Ambro for Joe]. I replaced the solenoid and the plate it attaches to with expectations of using the OD -- but go the close ratio box instead. Would like $900 for this one. I am open to any comments on price or offers to buy. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 27 16:19:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3C42D06E6 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD772D06D6 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9RMETL1026229; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:14:29 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 95A7DE0000E7; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:14:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:14:28 -0500 To: "fot@autox.team.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "6-pack@autox.team.net" <6-pack@autox.team.net> x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351376069; bh=HKmKxArWioBfh1wlYSGTDLn8yHH/7Bl/Ebv+bX8N6vI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=atfcXOnJYc/yVVa99Tb4s/+qJl62jj9jb0ig2KIiPue0Xmd+oHADVxuQg2nNYMOr+ xZjkHllLmvjWxLeh2arC0VwUC/iOE3l2XYncBtrDL1sQMvUwGDhcO/JZ4AyYyiZF0I lxVbwv3paj+9rHuTm3KRFPmxr1tDSU5At/d+k5C8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2906508c5cc55e37 Subject: [Fot] Satinless Steel Brake Hoses Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good day to all, I recently have had problems with my brake system on my '72 TR6. The car would stop just fine but, when waiting at a light, the pedal would go to the floor. Without any external leaks, in my experience, that lead to a replacement of the brake master. I procured one from Apple Hydraulics (without the reservoir (sp)), cleaned the existing reservoir with brake cleaner safe for plastics, and installed it after bench bleeding without any problems. At the same time I was going to change the flexible brake lines out with braided stainless hoses. I changed these lines in ~'95 when I got the car so I figured I'd change them and it would be a nice upgrade. Long story short, they don't fit. I tried to change the LF and the threaded portion of the hose that attaches to the ridged line at the caliper won't reach. Anyone else had this problem? I really don't like to try to bend old line especially since the rubber ones fit just fine. I ended up taking a real good look at the rubber hoses and there were on cracks and they were still flexible so I put it back together and am ready to bleed the system. TIA, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 12:40:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992E42D07C8 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A548E2D0496 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2DECB1C000227 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mte004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mte004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.77]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 09DB1E000081 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:39:37 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351449578; bh=GfG6LHYV6xSeo09N7wEOHS6GD8a45Gf1yi2zDv0vznM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nGMpjt+ydVbmANJ5Gky3X86hu5A7/MFXZRjl+Lk0Jon1e70VcOuosrEzj1UicZN1e 9LWbyX9UtYv104kp5qEoQ5kai/XmvNXI6DnzbQcRNBQFtRpJeYc0pmiGWsgoDG3d2f f7B5b9SXF4pO9SHt8gErSASeGMtReU//cS7mNvr8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb508d7bea3751 Subject: [Fot] Fifty years of Spitfires... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... I received the current issue of Triumph World in the mail yesterday, and it includes a nice article marking the fiftieth anniversary of the Triumph Spitfire. Lots of nice pictures, with a couple of pages dedicated to each Spitfire model. A few of the pictures include pretty young girls in the cars. One in particular is cute, showing a blonde sitting in the car with a disgruntled look on her face, while her beau and three or four other blokes study the engine compartment. She apparently is used to getting a lot more attention. But then Spitfires get a lot of attention too. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 12:54:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1152D07E7 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:54:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f169.google.com (mail-ia0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CC22D038B for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f169.google.com with SMTP id h37so4363522iak.14 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:55:46 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=+ZQaORVNYfWFp4yzXXm770wv5agQsQDx3ydAO1EpDQ4=; b=eLZ44Kiowr+vIpNAKC+5CKdCgy85V/9BqCjTejqQw96AzIyKPsum1vxeDe8y6JHXvH +7L/Hj1gb9ehinV3ao5ejWQABxPOcfeFTrxbykzlL+VzQiLtz37JtKqzYCNm6hWn2Z6k jhlz+QTx9uDbmb6rwlMoRldxtt1aJYbhr/NzsW5n6FaAEBec9Iel2v8M9sBlAs1TwfWE qxvD/3qG2zmGUi2nQGedqEmkbTT59Og95RazS83wqo1v28GKYGiEKyP/JjcwIma+E73G xGTj1Q/R+J8/SFQCTwjVPjLVjxKzJ1KfgLc0pZbGpvjzPjr/W8tiBIpPcDP4M3VEhP6q lBiA== Received: by 10.50.77.230 with SMTP id v6mr7545760igw.11.1351450546439; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uz1sm4231096igb.16.2012.10.28.11.55.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:55:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <1b533.4618aa4b.3dbed5e9@aol.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: BillDentin@aol.com,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,fot@autox.team.net From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:55:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fifty years of Spitfires... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Its just the opposite when you are in your TR3. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin@aol.com To: Subject: [Fot] Fifty years of Spitfires... Amici... I received the current issue of Triumph World in the mail yesterday, and it includes a nice article marking the fiftieth anniversary of the Triumph Spitfire. Lots of nice pictures, with a couple of pages dedicated to each Spitfire model. A few of the pictures include pretty young girls in the cars. One in particular is cute, showing a blonde sitting in the car with a disgruntled look on her face, while her beau and three or four other blokes study the engine compartment. She apparently is used to getting a lot more attention. But then Spitfires get a lot of attention too. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 14:12:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85F72D0808 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:12:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC3C2D0741 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:12:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 70EDF1C000148; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id B676FE0000E4; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:13:09 -0500 References: <9E5AFC6C-C7CE-43B8-B884-11BF0C4ED962@aol.com> To: John Styduhar x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1351455190; bh=mWZTJOBEQKw6Dswyv/0B+VpNe9jI/Cg2PzvW3wIdZN0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=CUwHFzGShasv/3aLttttTniFl74bHgWEqEPIx7u+bWzVMto4E8tdQloHd68PLoUfw HREd4E9cfs+7lnNaEtIhkZk8ds2tXppjx9EwbfDfZ7KWYRh0HG/ebfGSJMnJCuQXBJ OEAr3SJJEfD9LQPNAYhsg7fwK26AYg7wg8Rh4Y5U= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2903508d91d55631 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "6-pack@autox.team.net" <6-pack@autox.team.net>, "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Satinless Steel Brake Hoses Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Problem solved. It was the master cylinder. Pedal holds firm at a stop. I might need to re-bleed later since I'm using silicone fluif but it is roadworthy once again. On Oct 28, 2012, at 1:28 PM, John Styduhar wrote: > It may not be the one-way booster valve but something inside the booster, such as a seal or O-ring. > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Sam wrote: > No. That has never been my experience. The idle does not change with the foot on or off the pedal. > Sam > > On Oct 27, 2012, at 5:38 PM, John Styduhar wrote: > >> Did you check the brake vacuum boster for air leaks in that unit.? That would cause the pedal to drop. >> >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Sam wrote: >> Good day to all, >> I recently have had problems with my brake system on my '72 TR6. The car >> would stop just fine but, when waiting at a light, the pedal would go to the >> floor. Without any external leaks, in my experience, that lead to a >> replacement of the brake master. I procured one from Apple Hydraulics >> (without the reservoir (sp)), cleaned the existing reservoir with brake >> cleaner safe for plastics, and installed it after bench bleeding without any >> problems. At the same time I was going to change the flexible brake lines out >> with braided stainless hoses. I changed these lines in ~'95 when I got the >> car so I figured I'd change them and it would be a nice upgrade. Long story >> short, they don't fit. I tried to change the LF and the threaded portion of >> the hose that attaches to the ridged line at the caliper won't reach. Anyone >> else had this problem? I really don't like to try to bend old line especially >> since the rubber ones fit just fine. I ended up taking a real good look at >> the rubber hoses and there were on cracks and they were still flexible so I >> put it back together and am ready to bleed the system. >> TIA, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 15:42:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8032D07DD for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DD62D07A7 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:38:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GjvX1k0050SCNGk51lftPT; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:39:53 +0000 Received: from ComputerPC ([71.60.181.57]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GlgL1k0091EiJYf3VlgL7M; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:40:20 +0000 From: "Stutzmans" To: , References: <1b533.4618aa4b.3dbed5e9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:39:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fifty years of Spitfires... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The Summer 2012 edition of the Toronto Triumph Club's RAGTOP also has a good 50 years of Spitfire article. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:39 PM Subject: [Fot] Fifty years of Spitfires... > Amici... > > I received the current issue of Triumph World in the mail yesterday, and > it > includes a nice article marking the fiftieth anniversary of the Triumph > Spitfire. Lots of nice pictures, with a couple of pages dedicated to each > Spitfire model. > > A few of the pictures include pretty young girls in the cars. One in > particular is cute, showing a blonde sitting in the car with a disgruntled > look > on her face, while her beau and three or four other blokes study the > engine > compartment. She apparently is used to getting a lot more attention. But > then Spitfires get a lot of attention too. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 12:53:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BED22D050A for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330162D0678 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 18:52:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.173.186] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 18:52:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 18:52:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351536755; bh=AM82JOw25kAZvBx03lS/i72ZMuaaqH7cUw8cOCJHYnc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=O2rLniN+vxG9ET1DIdZIjdIUzwrvqM+OzJdEFPdzuXozWhtacaITYbMOSOKUNlrFEU+LGxmN2rU3pq9ltiDlxlX9ZH3OsO8KYOIJd4p9cLvdGCR7Ajz7rdgCiX6ihj7MPIRenB4SWByyOE2fTixNbO6Epgzn0644LMrM5n228ds= o6nQCdRGn9O1dtqAuyZLfvctInjdNEQNmmP4BkMMRwIIJxA.mQaKOKD6G8qo Tx_cPZwCMWjI7zgLLaeCGteqmv_6ly.cJ8nCzSiQJzto9qTFRaVy1EC.jrzK m.0tZqrrz6.QvjkNeOL7cErF6zW7YT4QXf17ogCWSz9VGJX1dhGkjFZCVT8X i40vrXjfrGj4cztI9vUywD21S68Z7t_zsW6jERek3y8TLYTqry3keJfA.3Vi t2ZC76I5XtthIYOYZ3QkMx.daZeXUXiigZL.Bk.G7SPI7JI7Fjep3JvUWINu gf2CSEhmFx65X6dUciJP1zOQBDWA_vCWK_6PPFYdGP1oU.DpJ9fjVchHYK0M Kz6Q4R9TjP2TMAHEAsj4G.UoKHxjKWbWCLHqUgpom0PS9UJS.b6jPZTnXvDg r_l9is.Gyu3IAye49C7d2MglJGnWolmL1c65Mw4FzsZKwEJy6ATHZfNo24lT WUaz9wiP0W0j.o_SuLiI49e8zW6_lNj8wu1QLwHDwzERskWtz1VbUMKc3T8. YHxc84JtqpBaQVDmvymQ1XHtfjvvGhklH5II_hdsf.pwcQiLZnGlLA9pbv2N yAygDtzTen9QFUByi_r4CYDHPHxM6eSkg95G0HPMeJuBQYoS.2OMoZAVsYJa qIjPO6gWaf_pqJQqIKQ73IGpKhMnCHS03m2m3fLM3fbnbQZoYB4fnETilTFP TqEDd63zqsSNOwFc- Received: from [192.168.2.5] (Tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp113-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2012 11:52:35 -0700 PDT From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:52:34 -0600 To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and floors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am working on a TR4 street car. It needs the front floor pans and inner sills replaced. In reading a restoration guide, it talked about splitting the car in half (front and back half) putting the new floors and sills together on the refurbished frame, and then putting the two halves back together on the new frame. Here is the link. See page 75/76 http://books.google.com/books?id=wzKwPkJMUM8C&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=sill+replac ement+rotted+tr4&source=bl&ots=cZGCqluUgQ&sig=dj8utxsFSHgR0GakR0Wi-qxI5Sk&hl= en&sa=X&ei=mOCNUNqFDqfbyQGAioDADg#v=onepage&q=sill%20replacement%20rotted%20t r4&f=false Any opinions on this versus cutting and replacing sections one at a time? Thx Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 13:54:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247922D0840 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FDA2D03D3 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.219.99.56] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:05:05 -0500 From: "Mike Moore" To: , References: <65FEFABA-CBB1-49D8-A84F-1E509D9178E3@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:55:09 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac22CFGueBBbwGJsTJyAKWuIoxZubAABmmmg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and floors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I did same to my street car and kept car together so I could keep everything aligned easier. Fastened braces across top of door openings to keep proper shape and then replaced one side at a time. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 2:53 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and floors I am working on a TR4 street car. It needs the front floor pans and inner sills replaced. In reading a restoration guide, it talked about splitting the car in half (front and back half) putting the new floors and sills together on the refurbished frame, and then putting the two halves back together on the new frame. Here is the link. See page 75/76 http://books.google.com/books?id=wzKwPkJMUM8C&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=sill+repla c ement+rotted+tr4&source=bl&ots=cZGCqluUgQ&sig=dj8utxsFSHgR0GakR0Wi-qxI5S ement+rotted+k&hl= en&sa=X&ei=mOCNUNqFDqfbyQGAioDADg#v=onepage&q=sill%20replacement%20rotted%20 t r4&f=false Any opinions on this versus cutting and replacing sections one at a time? Thx Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@wave1.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 14:41:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616CF2D0889 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F04F2D0155 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:40:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20121029204147.HKAT12025.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:41:47 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.231.194.49]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id H8hm1k00J14R4eo058hn0C; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:41:47 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=jAXA38P_poEA:10 a=RNgF-8iAtFMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pqI+vdes0DpKFPsz35vwQA==:17 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=aT5pA8DsKJMn0tknk2IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=pqI+vdes0DpKFPsz35vwQA==:117 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:41:46 -0400 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" , Friends of triumph References: <65FEFABA-CBB1-49D8-A84F-1E509D9178E3@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and floors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tyler I have done many of these. I don't recommend splitting the body in half. Do one side at a time. Use a brace between the A and B Posts and Cross brace. I pull the body with a chain fall or hoist and sit it on its side. I can send you photo's of the latest I'm restoring for a club member. It's a TR250 that received floors inner and outer rockers a full top deck including trunk surround, battery tray and and R&R the left front corner. I had to make repair panels to tie in the new parts. Take LOTS of Measurements. Measure before you weld. Glenn On 10/29/2012 2:52 PM, Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com wrote: > I am working on a TR4 street car. It needs the front floor pans and inner > sills replaced. In reading a restoration guide, it talked about splitting the > car in half (front and back half) putting the new floors and sills together > on the refurbished frame, and then putting the two halves back together on the > new frame. > > Here is the link. See page 75/76 > > http://books.google.com/books?id=wzKwPkJMUM8C&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=sill+replac > ement+rotted+tr4&source=bl&ots=cZGCqluUgQ&sig=dj8utxsFSHgR0GakR0Wi-qxI5Sk&hl= > en&sa=X&ei=mOCNUNqFDqfbyQGAioDADg#v=onepage&q=sill%20replacement%20rotted%20t > r4&f=false > > Any opinions on this versus cutting and replacing sections one at a time? > > Thx > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 15:05:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1552D084A for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAAF2D084A for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.62] by nm18.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 21:06:03 -0000 Received: from [98.137.0.73] by tm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 21:06:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp125-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 21:06:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351544763; bh=dlUjCa/wtI8xVNj7o+rH0i2JBJrmce1KtjEBLQTT42k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=InAUxh8VdEYmUO94Ez7M227HsAM9Yp2hd/Q/q+kr5iuAy3AzniZR/fJebKzYIXUUTTZ33zpFqeDBepNfQBj9ywuQbpR71FLkU2NU8He9MoKDSVpdVuO4kgsrVsA7FUZq4eWEXV3XRJl7qrT2mvoTjLP7n2cC7KwW+f+Fy63zuSg= qgXeoDJ3lFaxLzcsun.udFx6DLy5ZfpQLnQcHhUCr.Bma0AOp7_TowUPZdfC 6_9b0DEexmyCk51jrwM4W4U02KM3.8eRNo8mnVLU6c7BDOtaK6CZzqaEx0_p sqLYyYuvUUPlngB0uTujBa7TMQLcvjlCy1INloZHqeqsVBPTXbR6vvh75J2D jjRphSxiaQQOiOJMlNGXBge894pQ51pkVtbTowIMhjU9S.jAjI4xj9sb3dI2 dfSP5.Z_VquGN0PC4qAjb4ZoF2zWS_EVIqVU_AtZ0D5pT_gzrY4FXTKM4l_c IF0PtFIZmnXjiaocnkkPh.IBjsDc84u7pzZOzB.3DswfXGbvyeFcjJvmWSP_ ah9wldq2_z3j9d9d1xaPoskTGsbQ2O8B59xbLvU6IXoFgzp43nV6ogRgR5jS 92cE8yeYeCcvBr2WB58ch7atKDNqzYHaH87sq9sIR1vU0BWTX8UlTfLUz.gE KjCHvchIXg.MobmIh30_5ytIrnn6XHsJfeaiOpIgrgGodBvEH5kpV9Cibb0L GOQENAla49yJumVEu9uq5CU54JCZlTkSDKhpA5oCAqCdGtKFxe84MYstLHk3 ZgZvir5oFXxC4vg6wxhT06v4AfNYTidEma4Mhoa0ILs07DBoTIM864opXn2p Vkg-- Received: from [192.168.2.5] (Tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp125-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2012 21:06:03 +0000 UTC References: <65FEFABA-CBB1-49D8-A84F-1E509D9178E3@yahoo.com> <508EEA0A.5010705@charter.net> From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:06:02 -0600 To: Glenn Franco Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and floors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Glenn! Jim Gray (another FOTer) lent me braces he built for the A to B pillar as well as some lifting eyes. In terms of the cross brace, where do you place that? Setting the tub on its side makes a lot sense. Great ideas. I would enjoy seeing your pics! Thx Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Tyler > I have done many of these. > I don't recommend splitting the body in half. > Do one side at a time. Use a brace between the A and B Posts and Cross brace. > I pull the body with a chain fall or hoist and sit it on its side. > I can send you photo's of the latest I'm restoring for a club member. > It's a TR250 that received floors inner and outer rockers a full top deck including trunk surround, battery tray and and R&R the left front corner. > I had to make repair panels to tie in the new parts. > Take LOTS of Measurements. Measure before you weld. > Glenn > > On 10/29/2012 2:52 PM, Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com wrote: >> I am working on a TR4 street car. It needs the front floor pans and inner >> sills replaced. In reading a restoration guide, it talked about splitting the >> car in half (front and back half) putting the new floors and sills together >> on the refurbished frame, and then putting the two halves back together on the >> new frame. >> >> Here is the link. See page 75/76 >> >> http://books.google.com/books?id=wzKwPkJMUM8C&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=sill+replac >> ement+rotted+tr4&source=bl&ots=cZGCqluUgQ&sig=dj8utxsFSHgR0GakR0Wi-qxI5Sk&hl= >> en&sa=X&ei=mOCNUNqFDqfbyQGAioDADg#v=onepage&q=sill%20replacement%20rotted%20t >> r4&f=false >> >> Any opinions on this versus cutting and replacing sections one at a time? >> >> Thx >> >> Ty >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> (Please excuse any errors or typos) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 16:38:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E462F2D0829 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029112D0808 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 22:34:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.250] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 22:34:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 22:34:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351550099; bh=PnjrG4EdaD03QYlQYxxAp6do8U02ehfwe0bVR3HUasE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=16qC3lVCqzrUMzhgTnX1Sa3X7f+lvCWJeXG3GM22/apAVBWL8ZWTAQSpJg/HYQb2vthxbvaAtaAa01EyJbiX+ZlCCUJAiUNXA+y5Lpdq2pn405Rcg+ydBEz+c5Q6MdwDoNlFhWSo5u50mx4oFutvgVpYkx506FmR+LXumZ6fONw= 5HDO2.bZk16xKlzxRSgdloV4gkZMSDmtM1_fSUx.5bo2ji7vZrVTwFzSDram Q_ADDJZn.dfp5UStP1V3CInx67Y54r.P27BliFEi.A0RYRXO0HvuFlB7tzL8 nnkkCwlQ77DC2fiSgzb.mRXl.dJDZeO967iL8O3XO7D5TIIGDuwvMpukjs2j QWvpGh3ygUdr2CcpNr64qVwnySwgyuJkHO.TqEBXPqO2hsXjDqSy1PvAalBz RJ86oGO4o2ywy3GcbIVTTODjmuty6c25oRBLABMG6D652ytfx8qct4_3Gebn cR43bluNdvCyBp8dutWdGMUFnw2sjoMvJarJGlJBLxjXb_DivbZ_DmJ_qRj2 cOCc20.exEXE_g_m_zWXWW1cCp2Hmjq6Q5BEdxvPP7kpw_WSmMNWULfLwbaZ YFX7.zXAdLo8LfbmSYUItRnG1R146d8aOmrpKtC9vTMhOl3_R0j5xVKa1xVo N84O_1.8sV7prOYYufgfzfw53xyhMMzD98edI1u4T69TKW3zYOH8RDu8lCcF 1DpPahmlCBMZtLGebprBlJ0StBSvxK26VsYt50.T5XfKGo3KPFxmuJbgOILn 7z7l2n6qwbyXsUKqpNKE8hxDJd0GB6bXVUvQAAESUJS4- Received: from [192.168.2.5] (Tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp113-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2012 15:34:59 -0700 PDT References: <65FEFABA-CBB1-49D8-A84F-1E509D9178E3@yahoo.com> <508EEA0A.5010705@charter.net> From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:34:57 -0600 To: Glenn Franco Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and floors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Folks. Glenn was a great help and documented the process for me with some pics and pointers. I also received many comments from others directly. Many thanks to everyone. As always, this list is so valuable. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Tyler > I have done many of these. > I don't recommend splitting the body in half. > Do one side at a time. Use a brace between the A and B Posts and Cross brace. > I pull the body with a chain fall or hoist and sit it on its side. > I can send you photo's of the latest I'm restoring for a club member. > It's a TR250 that received floors inner and outer rockers a full top deck including trunk surround, battery tray and and R&R the left front corner. > I had to make repair panels to tie in the new parts. > Take LOTS of Measurements. Measure before you we > Glenn > > On 10/29/2012 2:52 PM, Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com wrote: >> I am working on a TR4 street car. It needs the front floor pans and inner >> sills replaced. In reading a restoration guide, it talked about splitting the >> car in half (front and back half) putting the new floors and sills together >> on the refurbished frame, and then putting the two halves back together on the >> new frame. >> >> Here is the link. See page 75/76 >> >> http://books.google.com/books?id=wzKwPkJMUM8C&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=sill+replac >> ement+rotted+tr4&source=bl&ots=cZGCqluUgQ&sig=dj8utxsFSHgR0GakR0Wi-qxI5Sk&hl= >> en&sa=X&ei=mOCNUNqFDqfbyQGAioDADg#v=onepage&q=sill%20replacement%20rotted%20t >> r4&f=false >> >> Any opinions on this versus cutting and replacing sections one at a time? >> >> Thx >> >> Ty >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> (Please excuse any errors or typos) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 17:01:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0A72D084D for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6502D0823 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:01:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 23:02:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 23:02:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 23:02:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 64008 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2012 23:02:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351551738; bh=VFP6lOzt/RgJ68qkPkotdD9LHdKJOTK9dptVkmc7ReQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3Xpqzo4onKzs1/OnNCak/pVJ5W6LK6CSqU9t/soV3p9eeHHCyRMxAy8f1NMEPIkzrgwGNoXffhpeQd13wE9lxAmLe0m0LqvrS4ksgmlYN4uzUynax054ojTENfFrRKttInvdn2HGqc32xZY66mG1eGIZHXY606rFfu8CB8A9LlY= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5Mgo5CG7f/zPv2uS/awwA/cBWTp70wqjKNMkjtnlNWOZ1JSNsul83ChtOnNwUWPZuLSOL1Q1TBizg4t3fSsNoWI68+bVtNrWo/XT4J2BaEkbMFWqp6Ll9JNcKtiwEHcOz2JMKm2hd4srLeQoCiLGUyyEZ36fduwvSNlUmm5T9kw=; leQcg60UGjc5zd.kMDBqt40EPvthc9iWwbd4zWaMyOYXwuRHdn2nzcFwR0EQ CN.wUJYoWzXiMVCOyqkpCsEFPT_mzcvwTXedwQYGUkqbNmegUXAFeEUAOeFo _2dNa7EI8hcr2XTdlNCBaIsak0Gx.fXdzkLH0Z.7dKZ_z97UuJDl_pQ21LgZ 7YdiQXh_ddbXjmhqbkM9eLgkzlbs0h1PZ2Gt6Zkf5927G2A4BjfvxgEamkWX slUiQEQ.bO6Bo5C7GGEstxXjSy..EmefjG5WiwzQdz_BL2pZ3_49nuU_thbN Mkl7p.JxHPleBL1AD0iHavJkRiLILHl0oKeACsRACd0WqLvBCcCx9bwPB0hW vIh4ZPl8G_V3jRrpzby1NJelGYPjJNrYmsjVU_k1hAfIXS_Ei2ut5c.JU Received: from [99.60.75.95] by web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:02:18 PDT R2VuZXJhbGx5IHdoZXJlIGFyZSBmb2xrcyB1c2luZyBQQ1YgdmFsdmVzP8KgIEJvdGggb2YgbXkgVHJpdW1waHMgYXJlIGNhcmJ1cmF0ZWQgClRSNnMuwqAgV2hlcmUgaXMgaXQgYmV0dGVyIHRvIGhhdmUgYSBQQ1YgdmFsdmUgdGhhdCBhIHN0cmFpZ2h0IGhvc2UgdG8gZG8gd2l0aCAKbW90b3IgYnJlYXRoaW5nP8KgIFRoYW5rcywgSmltATABAQEB References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> <001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com> <8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE9FA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <001a01cdb112$0ff4c6c0$2fde5440$@com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph' Subject: [Fot] PCV valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Generally where are folks using PCV valves? Both of my Triumphs are carburated TR6s. Where is it better to have a PCV valve that a straight hose to do with motor breathing? Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 17:09:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4462D0860 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:09:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5083E2D0826 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:03:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.64] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 23:04:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 24743 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2012 23:04:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351551873; bh=QDwjHRwLrqGeFRmWe1uY7Cxtf+52+O+s8rHTBSYQKKo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cxIArlVDL35p9l4m1ZfkMIUCrLwcpkoq1/RI4qbvH2yZMmojz1bU2PwFm/cu+lFSf7y3JdZqz2Cg0eSFH6twEyEzu6R8tJQyQ80cgH6slwqQCSpymkhB9A0CPc0Kzn82rnkwMQNfisKGFObkV0MJxi0KgRu6bWtKKC8s/kc2Sw4= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RO9twog7JIOWZ2fyo9dwdOfRdcfsC0dZZECPsgQgKKjY1LJ1PsyJvmrOrYKfntEQhXHTW70PeYMEd96dS8//xWLU6imhPWGSnelKaWAcKwv/5x2Y0As3Rj3IuC2bfYcSIksfpcxiL3JQns9W5DQNhlCjhTqd5rLRiM46Yqbfh5Y=; hm3fWVh9CXHv6DGT6PzwmONl3dj7YaXlN0CKZXbhtqm_NLrbw5ouSoeXLuho Yvjrph1PyJ2cGBseQpY5OcnL8eQD46_kIUUJ8GR1eWylDiymPaBqfXrPVInM pNHDDP5PN04pFcdlgNgVaWab88BnoQ4G67r5dYDDwOTA2NmLSb_OOusazD2w qPrprSU0_VS2gPOzFtcmXaYlog6Kz8QvJ_G7JQwZbJopvwaFVRH2gsE_c3Du tUUc78eFmlSGvHCcaXqZMGFLl05rU2vARBIw80oJP7UYri6q1oPrnoxg95zF uEb__l5gLaU1hWmpIz2VVPSvydTLma7j0z11SYOu07BMm3yWoEfUX1Cemx5B N8aw0uOT4CycK.iS5MfDwRNDLKb7GZE1KJ73tMqVECl9cBBks0rr7vqeMgC6 HCY4YD9dtCI8qbYPnYhji Received: from [67.195.23.211] by web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:04:33 PDT T24gbXkgNzQgVFI2LCBJIGhhdmUgYSBsZWFrIGJldHdlZW4gdGhlIG1hc3RlciBjeWxpbmRlciBhbmQgaXRzIHJlc2V2b2lyLiBJdCB3YXMgCnByZXR0eSBjbGVhbiBidXQgSSBjbGVhbmVkIGl0IGFsbCBzcG90bGVzcyBhbmQgdXNlZCBuZXcgcnViYmVycyBiZXR3ZWVuIHRoZSBtL2MgCmFuZCBpdHMgcmVzZXZvaXIuIEl0IHN0aWxsIGxlYWtzLiBIYXMgYW55b25lIGJlZW4gaGVyZSBvbiB0aGlzPyBJJ20gd29uZGVyaW5nIGlmIApJIHNob3VsZCBzYW5kIGRvd24gdGhlIDQgYXR0YWNobWVudCBwb2ludHMgc28BMAEBAQE- References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> <001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com> <8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE9FA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <001a01cdb112$0ff4c6c0$2fde5440$@com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph' Subject: [Fot] Leaky brake master cylinder resevoir Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On my 74 TR6, I have a leak between the master cylinder and its resevoir. It was pretty clean but I cleaned it all spotless and used new rubbers between the m/c and its resevoir. It still leaks. Has anyone been here on this? I'm wondering if I should sand down the 4 attachment points so as to get more pressure on the rubbers or is a new resevoir my best option? Thanks for any assistance on this. Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 17:32:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194822D084D for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f169.google.com (mail-ia0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70BB2D081D for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f169.google.com with SMTP id h37so5501696iak.14 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:33:41 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to:x-gm-message-state; bh=Fh1NYOWJh/xdN+E2/05/YxO7ctFPalJ/06cUN1V3Nm4=; b=Terhf3jQ9SB3GIjS+eV6pnfkeDru13yvsgxw/JvinghRyQmOLqOd+90uZePfkPY+TQ snHR1C9lIc0w2Qag3ecy1QJGGELulzMq9eOc7UVK3RKE4rLz6Q9XFUU0Iuy5eJ/i+yFC UroTpe9haJ5JLAoyMj0a0SS4URe/oM+RpdQKZeQURz3YRBIPf/0yhAIEgqBmhSLMsJHD 1pxWr779+FqYJq4v1uf3pXQ4Wae3ZNFDjUpmBMR9ALm+2tQ5PxLnz5Q7L9iDA5fgeOx5 XhkU1yb0GHQopMhFdAQfFGyxHEn+DO0SmJ0mWcphV0Kis9pTmVC/cQJzY3WE2+5/EkuU 0r1Q== Received: by 10.50.77.230 with SMTP id v6mr11188999igw.11.1351553621353; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.6.4.187] ([166.137.86.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uj11sm6703829igb.15.2012.10.29.16.33.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:33:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> <001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com> <8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE9FA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <001a01cdb112$0ff4c6c0$2fde5440$@com> <1351551873.16227.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Bob Bownes -Seiri Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:33:35 -0400 To: sherry robyn Cc: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Leaky brake master cylinder resevoir Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My solution was a new reservoir after trying to clean things up and replacing the seals four or five times. On Oct 29, 2012, at 19:04, sherry robyn wrote: > On my 74 TR6, I have a leak between the master cylinder and its resevoir. It was > pretty clean but I cleaned it all spotless and used new rubbers between the m/c > and its resevoir. It still leaks. Has anyone been here on this? I'm wondering if > I should sand down the 4 attachment points so as to get more pressure on the > rubbers or is a new resevoir my best option? Thanks for any assistance on this. > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 20:00:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8134D2C07F7 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C84D2D0879 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A4D3BBF018A; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:00:51 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: , "'Glenn Franco'" References: <65FEFABA-CBB1-49D8-A84F-1E509D9178E3@yahoo.com> <508EEA0A.5010705@charter.net> <67443E3C-C20B-4F47-9870-5C851FDA1411@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:02:44 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac22GW1ufb7G+5JoQaeJsrXi5GiNtAAKKOiw Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Cc: 'Friends of triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and floors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ty, I have some of the lifting plates as shown in the Triumph Workshop Manual for lifting the body off the frame that I cut out of 14 Ga. plate I think and then drilled and bent to do the job. I think I have an extra set or I can send mine and you can return when done. If you think they would be of help, let me know. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:06 PM To: Glenn Franco Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and floors Thanks Glenn! Jim Gray (another FOTer) lent me braces he built for the A to B pillar as well as some lifting eyes. In terms of the cross brace, where do you place that? Setting the tub on its side makes a lot sense. Great ideas. I would enjoy seeing your pics! Thx Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Tyler > I have done many of these. > I don't recommend splitting the body in half. > Do one side at a time. Use a brace between the A and B Posts and Cross brace. > I pull the body with a chain fall or hoist and sit it on its side. > I can send you photo's of the latest I'm restoring for a club member. > It's a TR250 that received floors inner and outer rockers a full top deck including trunk surround, battery tray and and R&R the left front corner. > I had to make repair panels to tie in the new parts. > Take LOTS of Measurements. Measure before you weld. > Glenn > > On 10/29/2012 2:52 PM, Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com wrote: >> I am working on a TR4 street car. It needs the front floor pans and inner >> sills replaced. In reading a restoration guide, it talked about splitting the >> car in half (front and back half) putting the new floors and sills together >> on the refurbished frame, and then putting the two halves back together on the >> new frame. >> >> Here is the link. See page 75/76 >> >> http://books.google.com/books?id=wzKwPkJMUM8C&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=sill+repla c >> ement+rotted+tr4&source=bl&ots=cZGCqluUgQ&sig=dj8utxsFSHgR0GakR0Wi-qxI5Sk&hl = >> en&sa=X&ei=mOCNUNqFDqfbyQGAioDADg#v=onepage&q=sill%20replacement%20rotted%20 t >> r4&f=false >> >> Any opinions on this versus cutting and replacing sections one at a time? >> >> Thx >> >> Ty >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> (Please excuse any errors or typos) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 21:03:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BAD2D0842 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292602D082F for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2012 03:04:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.173.190] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2012 03:04:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2012 03:04:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351566277; bh=Lsbtc7V4igG+RLikbPljgqmZ9YKa/cNYTo9gxFIDXu4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=no8vcj1Xcv4kIHSJ730T7A8riPsdXVke+XjG8e5cqA/X+9HQ7zMXfznQEJsQmY+jBXvdr6J3JreuZRGoYHXGxomx9Vhyx14PPTR62awk7gpAgJWujFBsAWNJsm8biAITXyt4HdbGPAYWLmNgGq+eiodbicZ18INQZjx6SeF0x0I= u8Zk3Fs6r8GjwO7t3bKPHY5cBKjIt6d7qDk.BPeSCH.1JZtB0SE8ejw8U3eG x9kRBY9eED4iz.BJPCNjFctDWPhysJ1IlxBq1jpiBMULnfe2LyJuUx5e3Uk5 3ovwkS9c14zjFGXBik_KqO4aCH3QeRpA7dWHRVl7lQTLwLAHq0xwP7m0omzc .5kimzelLSCSEwsQ78uc_z3tYmvY1YNX9To6PFa7qGDJNsb0ztH8AgEHT0xM XccseruHFdsu4Wcryghgw4ds22G9VR2OT2eTh_ju.hadWcRubImkBynp9D1c Tpqakg5yHCqMznR4iHIW.y8QTLWmpTcmgRw1fhiQhJcTU9JFsFcizy8d7oky ZOz4QUkupERZldrKxivNLQfXjh_uz3ijGMhpBbiPkVTd9tojLO7wrfaV3_6N fKBjOCmcqOZSDk_lZBIiV21ORdVB4ACEX_eS8cAhF1LvC8wagLq0Zeq2THxn QIS.dBrEAfVubDvARH_yKBmU0vBa8NDT_WRAYL2lfkof3mgvDcS8HPdP.hIT vsSpitosPQ4u9jPNtp2dRDYNmHJM8227a5ZC9E8efbyY.Hj6DUpGiTAhHVJl 8dHy1XnKEAfzmIaE6HgkXLE4xnoRqKtk9v7bZjKf0_q4- Received: from [192.168.2.5] (Tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp117-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2012 20:04:37 -0700 PDT References: <65FEFABA-CBB1-49D8-A84F-1E509D9178E3@yahoo.com> <508EEA0A.5010705@charter.net> <67443E3C-C20B-4F47-9870-5C851FDA1411@yahoo.com> <000901cdb642$a71b3f90$f551beb0$@com> From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:04:36 -0600 To: Tim Murphy Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and floors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jim Lent me some lifting plates as well so I think I am good. Thank you for the offer. Ty Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson@esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:02 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > Ty, > I have some of the lifting plates as shown in the Triumph Workshop > Manual for lifting the body off the frame that I cut out of 14 Ga. plate I > think and then drilled and bent to do the job. I think I have an extra set > or I can send mine and you can return when done. If you think they would be > of help, let me know. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:06 PM > To: Glenn Franco > Cc: Friends of triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Splitting a TR4 body in half when replacing sills and > floors > > Thanks Glenn! > > Jim Gray (another FOTer) lent me braces he built for the A to B pillar as > well > as some lifting eyes. In terms of the cross brace, where do you place that? > Setting the tub on its side makes a lot sense. Great ideas. > > I would enjoy seeing your pics! > > Thx > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> Tyler >> I have done many of these. >> I don't recommend splitting the body in half. >> Do one side at a time. Use a brace between the A and B Posts and Cross > brace. >> I pull the body with a chain fall or hoist and sit it on its side. >> I can send you photo's of the latest I'm restoring for a club member. >> It's a TR250 that received floors inner and outer rockers a full top deck > including trunk surround, battery tray and and R&R the left front corner. >> I had to make repair panels to tie in the new parts. >> Take LOTS of Measurements. Measure before you weld. >> Glenn >> >> On 10/29/2012 2:52 PM, Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com wrote: >>> I am working on a TR4 street car. It needs the front floor pans and inner >>> sills replaced. In reading a restoration guide, it talked about > splitting > the >>> car in half (front and back half) putting the new floors and sills > together >>> on the refurbished frame, and then putting the two halves back together > on > the >>> new frame. >>> >>> Here is the link. See page 75/76 > http://books.google.com/books?id=wzKwPkJMUM8C&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=sill+repla > c > ement+rotted+tr4&source=bl&ots=cZGCqluUgQ&sig=dj8utxsFSHgR0GakR0Wi-qxI5Sk&hl > = > en&sa=X&ei=mOCNUNqFDqfbyQGAioDADg#v=onepage&q=sill%20replacement%20rotted%20 > t >>> r4&f=false >>> >>> Any opinions on this versus cutting and replacing sections one at a time? >>> >>> Thx >>> >>> Ty >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> (Please excuse any errors or typos) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 01:44:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066F12D0847 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 01:44:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3EC2D0331 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 01:44:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20121030074516.QEWH12025.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 03:45:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.231.194.49]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id HKlF1k00414R4eo05KlG05; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 03:45:16 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=jAXA38P_poEA:10 a=eYEVz7sbV8gA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pqI+vdes0DpKFPsz35vwQA==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ciiGfCyHlvACQsEcfGwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=pqI+vdes0DpKFPsz35vwQA==:117 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 03:45:15 -0400 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com> <5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC> <0E1F9EDC-E456-46CE-9032-AD2B29B2FD4C@bnj.com> <001901cdb073$f1838b70$d48aa250$@com> <8CF7EC616D26478-CA8-1CE56@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE9FA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <001a01cdb112$0ff4c6c0$2fde5440$@com> <1351551873.16227.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Leaky brake master cylinder resevoir Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jim I have had many of these leak. Replacements reservoirs work but some are just as bad as the one that leaks. I have had new Master Cylinders leak in that location as well. It's a poor design. I have had some success using a slightly larger section O-ring in place of the square cut rubber seals. You might want to try that before you buy a reservoir. Glenn On 10/29/2012 7:04 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > On my 74 TR6, I have a leak between the master cylinder and its resevoir. It was > pretty clean but I cleaned it all spotless and used new rubbers between the m/c > and its resevoir. It still leaks. Has anyone been here on this? I'm wondering if > I should sand down the 4 attachment points so as to get more pressure on the > rubbers or is a new resevoir my best option? Thanks for any assistance on this. > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 31 21:26:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978632D078B for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229DF2D033F for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2012 02:54:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.77] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2012 02:54:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2012 02:54:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 21395 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2012 02:54:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351738456; bh=ap3L9Q/3ikMb1MlKpPrefkSlwj7K3RTpTpZJ5plO+fo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IpWaDyAyjPLZtUhA/PGWCoNP0+beOblxtq99x4VQ5Lzv9yHQhbJ0yF1Tx07os24qVnTIILhMhHsnY46wZW6fmOj2MlyvOMlVgNT8Fbw126Xls/L9P5fRk7jUsKta0s1l3SkMHTde/JfJmY+xurtOscHmxUEhItiGJzXuBsCDe6Q= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g7gNWOjv0w2A++zY1qZO3Hz2qxOGRnHVuIqA0OmOuSXXJatu38g+ty0LHA1BrJPKRqtDK8lJRl566sJg8qDqRYKv6Ol8KGjMTWqdVRH2G/jUhCf6lf/Oc4jhJGicM/X4CYvgeyeGojVDVyNpKAfcDVEGte3DDY7wn8IbvZzAwjA=; uFBD3ElWR3uneBl3W8_wnr_Uzqj0FvDWr3jpSMfBxAte2fYCL9k6T5z4hgI5 xL2r_KcfB1cop3RXwgnRtfrvbNBrEFJrXqdPdNRi3Huku_veIc0YQbZd9yyM b5Nb5.YDQvzaq8mu6ryidxYFwsg_IrKctBGFnKxIma0AnyCBoxe3aHdkMgK3 45OrlF6.BRwcrhjVWyE.2Zj.hv7vZnH27.BeZYBi8s5nLBbX0KcOw0fPJDIx 4nnRBgqfQEQWUGV6T6naQLMkJcluX3vCkN3hJ8n3ynCqMbey1ZrM_X4vO8Iy DD35GJyGcn48IsI380VoGGnLScNF4mt3A_7NB6w_v1JBkLiAqELHD_CDdrVX 0e9WrU8se67dnxFBWOSk4ehiEVt7foQbR_xaBPlOm5ZDKNLoKF2KXzM26U3A qE30OBch5.dX88J3JwOqrXrYmh7GK9PZwYjhPPWbgSIhGLUMZqn6N5H00Brg a..ORYtXMDSrW Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:54:16 PDT VGhlIEZPVCBoYXMgYmVlbiB2ZXJ5IHF1aWV0IHdpdGggbWFueSBvZiBpdHMgbWVtYmVycyBhdCB0aGUgVlRSIE5hdGlvbmFscyBpbiBHYWx2ZXN0b24gVGV4YXMuIEZvciB0aG9zZSB3aG8gbWF5IG5vdCBoYXZlIGhlYXJkLCBKb2huIEZpdGNoIHBhc3NlZCBhd2F5IHRoaXMgbW9ybmluZy4gDQpXaXRoIGhpcyBwYXNzaW5nIGdvZXMgYSBncmVhdCBmaWdodGVyIHBpbG90LCBzcG9ydHMgY2FyIGRyaXZlciwgSW5keSBjYXIgZHJpdmVyLCBhbmQgYSBtZW1iZXIgb2YgdGhlIEN1bm5pbmdoYW0gdGVhbSBhdCBMZU0BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: FOT Subject: [Fot] John Fitch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away this morning. With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during the big crash in '55. RIP -Ed- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 31 22:24:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358B42D06F2 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:24:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f169.google.com (mail-ia0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297EE2D04C6 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f169.google.com with SMTP id h37so2016218iak.14 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:37:02 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=C9ODayShg2laAdW72Zn3ODPoQhEFf6dDYno7DxcPZR8=; b=OLm0Q6yiNwAycoo2uU9coHhsSJNmt5jwSYIzibF56dXFuMlHBGhUqfzpTG6MYlZ+yl BxsF14IDt3HmExV5R/GU1rGtifMJxZ8zmFme6orUYzBqs5mKcJJJCcmgrDfRfYCntyYM bbOEkShV1Xt9V/HjHO+WFd0Or/+vuQis6VS4e84TAmbl2ra2GYclBmEkJXVYz2agBp43 6zI45FE/d4xTSP/N9WZ0D6+R9mJPPypz+QoV6O62qW7rXJUD1/yKkbsB5ctdFz6SwoRm eEMf2GhfWHVNk/oen3+jwHcGE0I6unFpuZreGtfthJt1e4MrdZm9EIl5UkcXNuvl/Igb cKDw== Received: by 10.50.87.199 with SMTP id ba7mr3777757igb.6.1351741022896; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b13sm4912825igp.7.2012.10.31.20.37.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "triumph friends" From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 03:36:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest. Drained of their fluid and void of their blood. Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I drain the fluid from my beloved GT6. Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of life, to get through the long cold wInter? Happy Halloween. FRIENDLY GHOST RACING Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net