Subject: [Roadsters] Fender question

From: Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 17:53:17 -0500

Is there a difference in the flair on the fenders after the larger flairs in 67.5? I thought I saw somewhere that the flair stayed the same from 67.5 until 69 and the 70 had a different flair. I thought I found that on Rallie’s site but I don’t see it today. 

Thanks. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
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From: Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 18:30:11 -0500

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Ok, thanks. Maybe the differences Is the side market lights or lack there of=
.=20

I=E2=80=99m getting too old to keep all this information in my head. Anyone k=
now where I can get a bigger one?

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

On Jun 2, 2020, at 6:23 PM, orangedawg orangedawg <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

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Here is some info I found on Rallye about different fenders/sizes:

Front Fenders vary in the size of the flare, the park light hole, and what t=
he shape of the side marker light hole is, if any. Emblem holes, (if predril=
led), may be different on some years. Some fenders were drilled for other co=
untries or not drilled at all. Although some people feel the shape of the re=
ar upper end of the fenders where they hit the cowl and upper part of the do=
or is different between 68-70 and older cars, there seems to be as much diff=
erence between one 68 fender to another 68 or from one 67 1/2 fender to anot=
her 67 1/2 as there is between a 67 1/2 and a 68! The rear most part of the 6=
3-64 and 65 1500 fenders differ, although NOS replacement fenders have had o=
nly one of the styles for at least 28 years. (Pics and Info) Fenders dependi=
ng on production run also can vary around headlight area as well. It was not=
 intentional, they just vary due to inadequate quality control. The headligh=
t rims themselves can vary a lot. Always fit the headlight scoop to the fend=
er before painting the fender. Don't assume the mounting holes (if they are a=
lready there) for the headlight scoop trims are in the best place. I did hav=
e a body shop tell me one time it was easy to flare the 1500 fender into a m=
edium flare 65-67 1600 fender than it was to "deflare" a later fender to wor=
k on the earlier 1600. But that was just one person's opinion.

The last time we did a warehouse reshuffling I pulled a large number of new f=
enders and doors out and had a couple of people try to find differences. We a=
lso recently hung a few on undamaged cars. We found far more variance in the=
 SAME part than we did from one year's part to another year's. We compared n=
ew parts to new parts, new to used and used to used. If you look at a bunch o=
f 65 and 66 cars that all would have the "older" point shape, they vary also=
.
Hanging the same fender on multiple same year undamaged cars gives different=
 results also. The way body panels fit on the roadster isn't that precise. T=
here are what I could see as different "point shapes" on the rear upper part=
 of the fender, (different angles, curves), but I found all these different "=
shapes" on 68-70 fenders and all of them on 63-67 1/2 fenders. For each year=
 we found some that were more blunt, or more "pointed", and some that more o=
f a two step curve as the fender heads down the door line. I almost wonder i=
f the rearmost upper "tip" of the fender was hand formed after pulling the f=
ender out of the forming tool, with the variances we found. All of the fende=
rs are the exact same length from rear most upper point tip to the headlight=
 edge. The mounting position of the fender is a tad bit different though. St=
arting on the 68 models, when the cowl and windshield were changed, the uppe=
r rear most hanging bracket was altered. Unlike the nut on the older cars, w=
hich was fixed, the nut on the 68-70 cars was made to float in it's receptac=
le to allow a little fender position adjustment. At it's maximum "outward-mo=
unting" position though, it still forces the fender inward 1/4 inch from the=
 67 1/2's. The change in the nut location may be the only consistant differe=
nce between a 67 1/2 fender and a 68.

So right off the bat, all other things being equal, hanging a 68-70 fender o=
n an older car will give an decreased gap. Hanging an older fender on a 68-7=
0 will give an increased gap. But things are never equal and these cars and t=
heir parts seem to vary A LOT. You can compensate for this regardless of the=
 problem by slotting the mounting hole on the car or redoing the bracket. Bo=
dy shops sometimes have to do far worse than this repairing accident damage.=

Most of this is moot anyway as only some of the different fenders are availa=
ble in a new part, and used parts may have far more problems than just a tin=
y edge shape difference (if there ever was one!)

I too thought I read somewhere that there are different flares between 1970 a=
nd others, but I can't recall where I read that.

Allen
From: Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]> on behalf o=
f Roy Haslett via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 4:09 PM
To: Datsun list <[email-masked]>; Pat Horne <patintexas@icl=
oud.com>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fender question
=20
If anyone needs a left front fender from an early 67 1600 let me know.  Very=
 clean and includes light baskets for head and parking lights.
Thanks,
Roy Haslett

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 03:56:31 PM PDT, Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters <d=
[email-masked]> wrote:

Is there a difference in the flair on the fenders after the larger flairs in=
 67.5? I thought I saw somewhere that the flair stayed the same from 67.5 un=
til 69 and the 70 had a different flair. I thought I found that on Rallie=E2=
=80=99s site but I don=E2=80=99t see it today.=20

Thanks.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

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de market lights or lack there of.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m gett=
ing too old to keep all this information in my head. Anyone know where I can=
 get a bigger one?</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><=
br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 2, 2020, at 6:23 PM, orangedawg o=
rangedawg &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
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r.com/PIC_PAGES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/fender_holes_info.htm" style=3D"font-family=
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dium; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"><font size=3D"-1" face=3D"verdan=
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erdana, geneva, tahoma, arial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span>&=
nbsp;</span>is,
 if any. Emblem holes, (if predrilled), may be different on some years. Some=
 fenders were drilled for other countries or not drilled at all. Although so=
me people feel the shape of the rear upper end of the fenders where they hit=
 the cowl and upper part of the
 door is different between 68-70 and older cars, there seems to be as much d=
ifference between one 68 fender to another 68 or from one 67 1/2 fender to a=
nother 67 1/2 as there is between a 67 1/2 and a 68! The rear most part of t=
he 63-64 and 65 1500 fenders
 differ, although NOS replacement fenders have had only one of the styles fo=
r at least 28 years. (</font><a href=3D"http://www.datsunroadster.com/PIC_PA=
GES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/fender_holes_info.htm#POINT" style=3D"font-family: verd=
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0000">Pics
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round-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span>&nbsp;</span>Fenders depending on pro=
duction run also can vary around headlight
 area as well. It was not intentional, they just vary due to inadequate qual=
ity control. The headlight rims themselves can vary a lot. Always fit the he=
adlight scoop to the fender before painting the fender. Don't assume the mou=
nting holes (if they are already
 there) for the headlight scoop trims are in the best place. I did have a bo=
dy shop tell me one time it was easy to flare the 1500 fender into a medium f=
lare 65-67 1600 fender than it was to "deflare" a later fender to work on th=
e earlier 1600. But that was
 just one person's opinion.</font><br>
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, 255, 255)"><font size=3D"-1" face=3D"GENEVA,TIMES,TIMES NEW ROMAN,TIMES RO=
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nd-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">The
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ders and doors out and had a couple of people try to find differences. We al=
so recently hung a few on undamaged cars. We found far more variance in the S=
AME part than we did from one
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sed and used to used. If you look at a bunch of 65 and 66 cars that all woul=
d have the "older" point shape, they vary also.</font><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily: geneva, helvetica, &quot;helvetica regular&quot;, arial, times, verdan=
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important"></span>
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)">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"GENEVA,TIMES,TIMES NEW ROMAN,TIMES ROMAN,VERDANA,H=
ELVETICA,HELVETICA REGULAR" color=3D"#000000">Hanging the same fender on mul=
tiple same year undamaged cars gives different results also. The way body pa=
nels fit on the roadster isn't that
 precise. There are what I could see as different "point shapes" on the rear=
 upper part of the fender, (different angles, curves), but I found all these=
 different "shapes" on 68-70 fenders and all of them on 63-67 1/2 fenders. Fo=
r each year we found some that
 were more blunt, or more "pointed", and some that more of a two step curve a=
s the fender heads down the door line. I almost wonder if the rearmost upper=
 "tip" of the fender was hand formed after pulling the fender out of the for=
ming tool, with the variances
 we found. All of the fenders are the exact same length from rear most upper=
 point tip to the headlight edge. The mounting position of the fender is a t=
ad bit different though. Starting on the 68 models, when the cowl and windsh=
ield were changed, the upper
 rear most hanging bracket was altered. Unlike the nut on the older cars, wh=
ich was fixed, the nut on the 68-70 cars was made to float in it's receptacl=
e to allow a little fender position adjustment. At it's maximum "outward-mou=
nting" position though, it still
 forces the fender inward 1/4 inch from the 67 1/2's. The change in the nut l=
ocation may be the only consistant difference between a 67 1/2 fender and a 6=
8.</font></p>
<p style=3D"font-family: geneva, helvetica, &quot;helvetica regular&quot;, a=
rial, times, verdana; font-size: medium; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255=
)">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"GENEVA,TIMES,TIMES NEW ROMAN,TIMES ROMAN,VERDANA,H=
ELVETICA,HELVETICA REGULAR" color=3D"#000000">So right off the bat, all othe=
r things being equal, hanging a 68-70 fender on an older car will give an de=
creased gap. Hanging an older fender
 on a 68-70 will give an increased gap. But things are never equal and these=
 cars and their parts seem to vary A LOT. You can compensate for this regard=
less of the problem by slotting the mounting hole on the car or redoing the b=
racket. Body shops sometimes
 have to do far worse than this repairing accident damage.</font></p>
<p style=3D"font-family: geneva, helvetica, &quot;helvetica regular&quot;, a=
rial, times, verdana; font-size: medium; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255=
)">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"GENEVA,TIMES,TIMES NEW ROMAN,TIMES ROMAN,VERDANA,H=
ELVETICA,HELVETICA REGULAR" color=3D"#000000">Most of this is moot anyway as=
 only some of the different fenders are available in a new part, and used pa=
rts may have far more problems than
 just a tiny edge shape difference (if there ever was one!)</font></p>
<br>
</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"verdana,geneva,tahoma,arial" color=3D"#000000" sty=
le=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, tahoma, arial; background-color: rgb(255=
, 255, 255)"><br>
</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"verdana,geneva,tahoma,arial" color=3D"#000000" sty=
le=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, tahoma, arial; background-color: rgb(255=
, 255, 255)">I too thought I read somewhere that there are different flares b=
etween 1970 and others, but I can't
 recall where I read that.<br>
</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"verdana,geneva,tahoma,arial" color=3D"#000000" sty=
le=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, tahoma, arial; background-color: rgb(255=
, 255, 255)"><br>
</font></div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"verdana,geneva,tahoma,arial" color=3D"#000000" sty=
le=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, tahoma, arial; background-color: rgb(255=
, 255, 255)">Allen</font></div>
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<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1">
<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Datsun-roadsters &lt;da=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Roy Haslett via Datsu=
n-roadsters &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 2, 2020 4:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Datsun list &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Pat Horne &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Roadsters] Fender question</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
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eue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13px">
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">If anyone needs a left front fender from an early 67 1600 l=
et me know.&nbsp; Very clean and includes light baskets for head and parking=
 lights.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Roy Haslett</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
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size:13px; color:#26282a">
<div>On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 03:56:31 PM PDT, Pat Horne via Datsun-roadste=
rs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Is there a difference in the flair on the fenders after the=
 larger flairs in 67.5? I thought I saw somewhere that the flair stayed the s=
ame from 67.5 until 69 and the 70 had a different flair. I thought I found t=
hat on Rallie=E2=80=99s site but I don=E2=80=99t
 see it today. <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks. <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Peace,<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Pat<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">We support Habitat for Humanity<br>
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