Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fender question

From: Roy Haslett via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 23:09:48 +0000 (UTC)

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 If anyone needs a left front fender from an early 67 1600 let me know.=C2=
=A0 Very clean and includes light baskets for head and parking lights.Thank=
s,Roy Haslett
    On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 03:56:31 PM PDT, Pat Horne via Datsun-roadste=
rs <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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 Is there a difference in the flair on the fenders after the larger flairs =
in 67.5? I thought I saw somewhere that the flair stayed the same from 67.5=
 until 69 and the 70 had a different flair. I thought I found that on Ralli=
e=E2=80=99s site but I don=E2=80=99t see it today.=20

Thanks.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">If anyone needs a left front=
 fender from an early 67 1600 let me know.&nbsp; Very clean and includes li=
ght baskets for head and parking lights.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">Is there a difference in the flair on=
 the fenders after the larger flairs in 67.5? I thought I saw somewhere tha=
t the flair stayed the same from 67.5 until 69 and the 70 had a different f=
lair. I thought I found that on Rallie=E2=80=99s site but I don=E2=80=99t s=
ee it today. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks. =
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 23:23:31 +0000

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Here is some info I found on Rallye about different fenders/sizes:

Front Fenders vary in the size of the flare<http://www.datsunroadster.com/P=
IC_PAGES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/fender_flare_info.htm>, the park light hole<http:=
//www.datsunroadster.com/PIC_PAGES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/fender_holes_info.htm>,=
 and what the shape of the side marker light hole<http://www.datsunroadster=
.com/PIC_PAGES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/fender_holes_info.htm> is, if any. Emblem h=
oles, (if predrilled), may be different on some years. Some fenders were dr=
illed for other countries or not drilled at all. Although some people feel =
the shape of the rear upper end of the fenders where they hit the cowl and =
upper part of the door is different between 68-70 and older cars, there see=
ms to be as much difference between one 68 fender to another 68 or from one=
 67 1/2 fender to another 67 1/2 as there is between a 67 1/2 and a 68! The=
 rear most part of the 63-64 and 65 1500 fenders differ, although NOS repla=
cement fenders have had only one of the styles for at least 28 years. (Pics=
 and Info)<http://www.datsunroadster.com/PIC_PAGES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/fender_=
holes_info.htm#POINT> Fenders depending on production run also can vary aro=
und headlight area as well. It was not intentional, they just vary due to i=
nadequate quality control. The headlight rims themselves can vary a lot. Al=
ways fit the headlight scoop to the fender before painting the fender. Don'=
t assume the mounting holes (if they are already there) for the headlight s=
coop trims are in the best place. I did have a body shop tell me one time i=
t was easy to flare the 1500 fender into a medium flare 65-67 1600 fender t=
han it was to "deflare" a later fender to work on the earlier 1600. But tha=
t was just one person's opinion.

The last time we did a warehouse reshuffling I pulled a large number of new=
 fenders and doors out and had a couple of people try to find differences. =
We also recently hung a few on undamaged cars. We found far more variance i=
n the SAME part than we did from one year's part to another year's. We comp=
ared new parts to new parts, new to used and used to used. If you look at a=
 bunch of 65 and 66 cars that all would have the "older" point shape, they =
vary also.

Hanging the same fender on multiple same year undamaged cars gives differen=
t results also. The way body panels fit on the roadster isn't that precise.=
 There are what I could see as different "point shapes" on the rear upper p=
art of the fender, (different angles, curves), but I found all these differ=
ent "shapes" on 68-70 fenders and all of them on 63-67 1/2 fenders. For eac=
h year we found some that were more blunt, or more "pointed", and some that=
 more of a two step curve as the fender heads down the door line. I almost =
wonder if the rearmost upper "tip" of the fender was hand formed after pull=
ing the fender out of the forming tool, with the variances we found. All of=
 the fenders are the exact same length from rear most upper point tip to th=
e headlight edge. The mounting position of the fender is a tad bit differen=
t though. Starting on the 68 models, when the cowl and windshield were chan=
ged, the upper rear most hanging bracket was altered. Unlike the nut on the=
 older cars, which was fixed, the nut on the 68-70 cars was made to float i=
n it's receptacle to allow a little fender position adjustment. At it's max=
imum "outward-mounting" position though, it still forces the fender inward =
1/4 inch from the 67 1/2's. The change in the nut location may be the only =
consistant difference between a 67 1/2 fender and a 68.

So right off the bat, all other things being equal, hanging a 68-70 fender =
on an older car will give an decreased gap. Hanging an older fender on a 68=
-70 will give an increased gap. But things are never equal and these cars a=
nd their parts seem to vary A LOT. You can compensate for this regardless o=
f the problem by slotting the mounting hole on the car or redoing the brack=
et. Body shops sometimes have to do far worse than this repairing accident =
damage.

Most of this is moot anyway as only some of the different fenders are avail=
able in a new part, and used parts may have far more problems than just a t=
iny edge shape difference (if there ever was one!)

I too thought I read somewhere that there are different flares between 1970=
 and others, but I can't recall where I read that.

Allen
________________________________
From: Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]> on behalf =
of Roy Haslett via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 4:09 PM
To: Datsun list <[email-masked]>; Pat Horne <patintexas@ic=
loud.com>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fender question

If anyone needs a left front fender from an early 67 1600 let me know.  Ver=
y clean and includes light baskets for head and parking lights.
Thanks,
Roy Haslett

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 03:56:31 PM PDT, Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters <=
[email-masked]> wrote:

Is there a difference in the flair on the fenders after the larger flairs i=
n 67.5? I thought I saw somewhere that the flair stayed the same from 67.5 =
until 69 and the 70 had a different flair. I thought I found that on Rallie=
=92s site but I don=92t see it today.

Thanks.

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne

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Here is some info I found on Rallye about different fenders/sizes:</div>
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he<span>&nbsp;</span></font><a href=3D"http://www.datsunroadster.com/PIC_PA=
GES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/fender_flare_info.htm" style=3D"font-family: verdana, =
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 the park light<span>&nbsp;</span></font><a href=3D"http://www.datsunroadst=
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 arial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">,
 and what the shape of the side marker light<span>&nbsp;</span></font><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.datsunroadster.com/PIC_PAGES/PARTS_INFO_PAGES/fender_holes=
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<span>&nbsp;</span>is,
 if any. Emblem holes, (if predrilled), may be different on some years. Som=
e fenders were drilled for other countries or not drilled at all. Although =
some people feel the shape of the rear upper end of the fenders where they =
hit the cowl and upper part of the
 door is different between 68-70 and older cars, there seems to be as much =
difference between one 68 fender to another 68 or from one 67 1/2 fender to=
 another 67 1/2 as there is between a 67 1/2 and a 68! The rear most part o=
f the 63-64 and 65 1500 fenders
 differ, although NOS replacement fenders have had only one of the styles f=
or at least 28 years. (</font><a href=3D"http://www.datsunroadster.com/PIC_=
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 and Info)</font></a><font size=3D"-1" face=3D"verdana,geneva,tahoma,arial"=
 color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, tahoma, arial; ba=
ckground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span>&nbsp;</span>Fenders depending on=
 production run also can vary around headlight
 area as well. It was not intentional, they just vary due to inadequate qua=
lity control. The headlight rims themselves can vary a lot. Always fit the =
headlight scoop to the fender before painting the fender. Don't assume the =
mounting holes (if they are already
 there) for the headlight scoop trims are in the best place. I did have a b=
ody shop tell me one time it was easy to flare the 1500 fender into a mediu=
m flare 65-67 1600 fender than it was to &quot;deflare&quot; a later fender=
 to work on the earlier 1600. But that was
 just one person's opinion.</font><br>
</div>
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ground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">The
 last time we did a warehouse reshuffling I pulled a large number of new fe=
nders and doors out and had a couple of people try to find differences. We =
also recently hung a few on undamaged cars. We found far more variance in t=
he SAME part than we did from one
 year's part to another year's. We compared new parts to new parts, new to =
used and used to used. If you look at a bunch of 65 and 66 cars that all wo=
uld have the &quot;older&quot; point shape, they vary also.</font><span sty=
le=3D"font-family: geneva, helvetica, &quot;helvetica regular&quot;, arial,=
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arial, times, verdana; font-size: medium; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 2=
55)">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"GENEVA,TIMES,TIMES NEW ROMAN,TIMES ROMAN,VERDANA,=
HELVETICA,HELVETICA REGULAR" color=3D"#000000">Hanging the same fender on m=
ultiple same year undamaged cars gives different results also. The way body=
 panels fit on the roadster isn't that
 precise. There are what I could see as different &quot;point shapes&quot; =
on the rear upper part of the fender, (different angles, curves), but I fou=
nd all these different &quot;shapes&quot; on 68-70 fenders and all of them =
on 63-67 1/2 fenders. For each year we found some that
 were more blunt, or more &quot;pointed&quot;, and some that more of a two =
step curve as the fender heads down the door line. I almost wonder if the r=
earmost upper &quot;tip&quot; of the fender was hand formed after pulling t=
he fender out of the forming tool, with the variances
 we found. All of the fenders are the exact same length from rear most uppe=
r point tip to the headlight edge. The mounting position of the fender is a=
 tad bit different though. Starting on the 68 models, when the cowl and win=
dshield were changed, the upper
 rear most hanging bracket was altered. Unlike the nut on the older cars, w=
hich was fixed, the nut on the 68-70 cars was made to float in it's recepta=
cle to allow a little fender position adjustment. At it's maximum &quot;out=
ward-mounting&quot; position though, it still
 forces the fender inward 1/4 inch from the 67 1/2's. The change in the nut=
 location may be the only consistant difference between a 67 1/2 fender and=
 a 68.</font></p>
<p style=3D"font-family: geneva, helvetica, &quot;helvetica regular&quot;, =
arial, times, verdana; font-size: medium; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 2=
55)">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"GENEVA,TIMES,TIMES NEW ROMAN,TIMES ROMAN,VERDANA,=
HELVETICA,HELVETICA REGULAR" color=3D"#000000">So right off the bat, all ot=
her things being equal, hanging a 68-70 fender on an older car will give an=
 decreased gap. Hanging an older fender
 on a 68-70 will give an increased gap. But things are never equal and thes=
e cars and their parts seem to vary A LOT. You can compensate for this rega=
rdless of the problem by slotting the mounting hole on the car or redoing t=
he bracket. Body shops sometimes
 have to do far worse than this repairing accident damage.</font></p>
<p style=3D"font-family: geneva, helvetica, &quot;helvetica regular&quot;, =
arial, times, verdana; font-size: medium; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 2=
55)">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"GENEVA,TIMES,TIMES NEW ROMAN,TIMES ROMAN,VERDANA,=
HELVETICA,HELVETICA REGULAR" color=3D"#000000">Most of this is moot anyway =
as only some of the different fenders are available in a new part, and used=
 parts may have far more problems than
 just a tiny edge shape difference (if there ever was one!)</font></p>
<br>
</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"verdana,geneva,tahoma,arial" color=3D"#000000" st=
yle=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, tahoma, arial; background-color: rgb(2=
55, 255, 255)"><br>
</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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<font size=3D"-1" face=3D"verdana,geneva,tahoma,arial" color=3D"#000000" st=
yle=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, tahoma, arial; background-color: rgb(2=
55, 255, 255)">I too thought I read somewhere that there are different flar=
es between 1970 and others, but I can't
 recall where I read that.<br>
</font></div>
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55, 255, 255)">Allen</font></div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Datsun-roadsters &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Roy Haslett via Da=
tsun-roadsters &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 2, 2020 4:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Datsun list &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Pat Horne &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Roadsters] Fender question</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If anyone needs a left front fender from an early 67 1600 =
let me know.&nbsp; Very clean and includes light baskets for head and parki=
ng lights.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Roy Haslett</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
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<div>On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 03:56:31 PM PDT, Pat Horne via Datsun-roadst=
ers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Is there a difference in the flair on the fenders after th=
e larger flairs in 67.5? I thought I saw somewhere that the flair stayed th=
e same from 67.5 until 69 and the 70 had a different flair. I thought I fou=
nd that on Rallie=92s site but I don=92t
 see it today. <br>
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