Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel indication issues

From: Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:42:57 -0500

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Thanks, Mike. I=E2=80=99m not sure how this circuit compares to the 311 but I=
=E2=80=99ll check. One difference I see is that the 311s have a voltage regu=
lator for the instruments. I=E2=80=99ll have to check on the ground for the g=
auge. If there is one, that could cause this problem if it is bad.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On May 11, 2020, at 3:37 PM, [email-masked] wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I have the Nissan Service Manual for the SPL 310. The attached PDF is a copy=
 of the information concerning trouble shooting the fuel gauge and a wiring d=
iagram.

I hope it can be of help.

Mike Lyons
Vancouver, WA
1967 SPL 311 with 135 HP 2000
1967 1/2 SPL 311
1983 280ZX Turbo

-----Original Message-----
From: RWM via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
To: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Cc: Datsun List <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, May 9, 2020 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel indication issues

Pat,

The black wire is zero (ground).

Guess I'll try to work my fingers up behind the gauge and check for continui=
ty.

Thanks.

- Bob

> On May 9, 2020, at 16:53, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFBob,
> That sounds a bit off. The 7.6v on the yellow wire to ground is fine, but t=
he black wire should be zero.=20
>=20
> When you ground the yellow wire to the body, the gauge should go to max. S=
ounds like you have a bad fuel gauge. Just to be sure you can try grounding t=
he terminal on the gauge that the yellow wire goes to.=20
>=20
> Peace,
> Pat
>=20
> Pat Horne=20
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>=20
>=20
>> On May 9, 2020, at 3:09 PM, RWM <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFPat,
>=20
> With ignition switch in running position
>=20
> Yellow wire to chassis is 7.6 volts, same as to black wire
>=20
> Yellow wire to ground, no gauge deflection=20
>=20
> Thanks
>=20
> - Bob
>=20
>=20
>> On May 9, 2020, at 13:19, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFHook everything back up except the sender. Turn on the key & mea=
sure for voltage @ the sender wires to ground. One should show voltage & the=
 other should be grounded. (Not home now to get colors) ground the one with v=
oltage. If the gauge still sits on empty you have a bad gauge. If there is n=
o voltage it could be a bad connection or a bad gauge. Let me know what y=E2=
=80=99all find & I=E2=80=99ll walk you through more diagnostics.=20
>>=20
>> Peace,
>> Pat
>>=20
>>=20
>> Pat Horne=20
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>=20
>>=20
>>>>> On May 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, RWM via Datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadster=
[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>=20
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFThis has been discussed before, but here are the indications:
>>=20
>> Fuel gauge does not budge off empty=20
>>=20
>> Fuel sender resistance shows 34 ohms as installed, with tank less than ha=
lf full
>>=20
>> Fuel sender resistance when removed varies fairly linearly from 47 ohms (=
bottom) to near zero ohms (near top), then open circuit when the arm forces t=
he wiper off the rheostat windings
>>=20
>> Fuel harness is delivering 7.6 volts, measured with the yellow and black c=
onnectors removed
>>=20
>> Shorting the fuel harness to itself (yellow to black) does not change the=
 fuel gauge indication
>>=20
>> Ammeter works, temperature gauge works
>>=20
>> Ideas? Dash harness connector?
>>=20
>> Thanks.
>>=20
>> - Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex
>>=20
>>=20
>> ________________________________________
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks, Mike. I=E2=80=99m not sure how this=
 circuit compares to the 311 but I=E2=80=99ll check. One difference I see is=
 that the 311s have a voltage regulator for the instruments. I=E2=80=99ll ha=
ve to check on the ground for the gauge. If there is one, that could cause t=
his problem if it is bad.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div=
><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 11, 2020, at 3:37 PM, mike=
[email-masked] wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">I <font size=3D"2">have the Nis=
san Service Manual for the SPL 310. The attached PDF is a copy of the inform=
ation concerning trouble shooting the fuel gauge and a wiring diagram.<br>
<br>
I hope it can be of help.<br>
<br>
Mike Lyons<br>
Vancouver, WA<br>
1967 SPL 311 with 135 HP 2000<br>
1967 1/2 SPL 311<br>
1983 280ZX Turbo<br>
</font>
<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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From: RWM via Datsun-roadsters &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Pat Horne &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Datsun List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, May 9, 2020 1:57 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel indication issues<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Pat,<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">The black wire is=
 zero (ground).<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Guess I'll try to work m=
y fingers up behind the gauge and check for continuity.<br clear=3D"none"><b=
r clear=3D"none">Thanks.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">- Bob<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yqt5933953826" id=3D"yqtfd68763"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; On Ma=
y 9, 2020, at 16:53, Pat Horne &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:patin=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; =EF=BB=BFBob=
,<br clear=3D"none">&gt; That sounds a bit off. The 7.6v on the yellow wire t=
o ground is fine, but the black wire should be zero. <br clear=3D"none">&gt;=
 <br clear=3D"none">&gt; When you ground the yellow wire to the body, the ga=
uge should go to max. Sounds like you have a bad fuel gauge. Just to be sure=
 you can try grounding the terminal on the gauge that the yellow wire goes t=
o. <br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Peace,<br clear=3D"none">=
&gt; Pat<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Pat Horne <br clear=3D=
"none">&gt; We support Habitat for Humanity<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; On May 9, 2020, at 3:09 PM, RWM &=
lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:RWM@rw=
mann.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; =EF=BB=BFPat,<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <=
br clear=3D"none">&gt; With ignition switch in running position<br clear=3D"=
none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Yellow wire to chassis is 7.6 volts, same=
 as to black wire<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Yellow wire=
 to ground, no gauge deflection <br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; Thanks<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; - Bob<br clear=3D"=
none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; On May 9, 202=
0, at 13:19, Pat Horne &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:patintexas@ic=
loud.com" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BFHoo=
k everything back up except the sender. Turn on the key &amp; measure for vo=
ltage @ the sender wires to ground. One should show voltage &amp; the other s=
hould be grounded. (Not home now to get colors) ground the one with voltage.=
 If the gauge still sits on empty you have a bad gauge. If there is no volta=
ge it could be a bad connection or a bad gauge. Let me know what y=E2=80=99a=
ll find &amp; I=E2=80=99ll walk you through more diagnostics. <br clear=3D"n=
one">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Peace,<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; P=
at<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none"=
>&gt;&gt; Pat Horne <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; We support Habitat for Human=
ity<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none=
">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On May 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, RWM via Datsun-roadsters=
 &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <=
br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BFThis has been discussed before, but here=
 are the indications:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;=
 Fuel gauge does not budge off empty <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D=
"none">&gt;&gt; Fuel sender resistance shows 34 ohms as installed, with tank=
 less than half full<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; =
Fuel sender resistance when removed varies fairly linearly from 47 ohms (bot=
tom) to near zero ohms (near top), then open circuit when the arm forces the=
 wiper off the rheostat windings<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"non=
e">&gt;&gt; Fuel harness is delivering 7.6 volts, measured with the yellow a=
nd black connectors removed<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&g=
t;&gt; Shorting the fuel harness to itself (yellow to black) does not change=
 the fuel gauge indication<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt=
;&gt; Ammeter works, temperature gauge works<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Ideas? Dash harness connector?<br clear=3D"none">&gt;=
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Thanks.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt;&gt; - Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <b=
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From: mikelyons--- via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:16:21 +0000 (UTC)

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Pat,

I agree. I looked all over in that 310 schematic for a voltage regulator bu=
t could not find one. I was surprised since almost all cars from those year=
s used voltage regulators to run the gauges.

Mike Lyons
Vancouver, WA
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, May 11, 2020 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel indication issues

Thanks, Mike. I=E2=80=99m not sure how this circuit compares to the 311 but=
 I=E2=80=99ll check. One difference I see is that the 311s have a voltage r=
egulator for the instruments. I=E2=80=99ll have to check on the ground for =
the gauge. If there is one, that could cause this problem if it is bad.=C2=
=A0
Peace,Pat

Pat Horne=C2=A0We support Habitat for Humanity

=EF=BB=BFI have the Nissan Service Manual for the SPL 310. The attached PDF=
 is a copy of the information concerning trouble shooting the fuel gauge an=
d a wiring diagram.

Mike Lyons
Vancouver, WA
-----Original Message-----
From: RWM via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
To: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Cc: Datsun List <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, May 9, 2020 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel indication issues

Pat,

Guess I'll try to work my fingers up behind the gauge and check for continu=
ity.

Thanks.

- Bob

> That sounds a bit off. The 7.6v on the yellow wire to ground is fine, but=
 the black wire should be zero.=20
>=20
> When you ground the yellow wire to the body, the gauge should go to max. =
Sounds like you have a bad fuel gauge. Just to be sure you can try groundin=
g the terminal on the gauge that the yellow wire goes to.=20
>> =EF=BB=BFHook everything back up except the sender. Turn on the key & me=
asure for voltage @ the sender wires to ground. One should show voltage & t=
he other should be grounded. (Not home now to get colors) ground the one wi=
th voltage. If the gauge still sits on empty you have a bad gauge. If there=
 is no voltage it could be a bad connection or a bad gauge. Let me know wha=
t y=E2=80=99all find & I=E2=80=99ll walk you through more diagnostics.=20
>>>>> On May 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, RWM via Datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadste=
[email-masked]> wrote:
>> Fuel sender resistance shows 34 ohms as installed, with tank less than h=
alf full
>>=20
>> Fuel sender resistance when removed varies fairly linearly from 47 ohms =
(bottom) to near zero ohms (near top), then open circuit when the arm force=
s the wiper off the rheostat windings
>>=20
>> Fuel harness is delivering 7.6 volts, measured with the yellow and black=
 connectors removed
>>=20
>> Shorting the fuel harness to itself (yellow to black) does not change th=
e fuel gauge indication
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/datsun-roadsters http://autox.tea=
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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">Pat<font size=3D"2">,<br>
<br>
I agree. I looked all over in that 310 schematic for a voltage regulator bu=
t could not find one. I was surprised since almost all cars from those year=
s used voltage regulators to run the gauges.<br>
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2">Mike Lyons<br clear=3D"none">
Vancouver, WA<br clear=3D"none">
1967 SPL 311 with 135 HP 2000<br clear=3D"none">
1967 1/2 SPL 311<br clear=3D"none">
1983 280ZX Turbo</font><br>
<font size=3D"2"></font>
<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: Pat Horne &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]<br>
Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
<br>
Sent: Mon, May 11, 2020 1:42 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel indication issues<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv8821845970">
<div>Thanks, Mike. I=E2=80=99m not sure how this circuit compares to the 31=
1 but I=E2=80=99ll check. One difference I see is that the 311s have a volt=
age regulator for the instruments. I=E2=80=99ll have to check on the ground=
 for the gauge. If there is one, that could cause this problem if it is bad=
.&nbsp;
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Peace,</div>

<div>Pat<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;
<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">On May 11, 2020, at 3:37 PM, mikelyons@=
aol.com wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<div class=3D"yiv8821845970yqt2709499303" id=3D"yiv8821845970yqt36642">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial;">I <font size=3D"2">have the Nis=
san Service Manual for the SPL 310. The attached PDF is a copy of the infor=
mation concerning trouble shooting the fuel gauge and a wiring diagram.<br =
clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
I hope it can be of help.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Mike Lyons<br clear=3D"none">
Vancouver, WA<br clear=3D"none">
1967 SPL 311 with 135 HP 2000<br clear=3D"none">
1967 1/2 SPL 311<br clear=3D"none">
1983 280ZX Turbo<br clear=3D"none">
</font>

<div> <br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div> <br clear=3D"none">
</div>

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lear=3D"none">
To: Pat Horne &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Cc: Datsun List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Sat, May 9, 2020 1:57 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel indication issues<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">

<div dir=3D"ltr">Pat,<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">The black wire i=
s zero (ground).<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Guess I'll try to wor=
k my fingers up behind the gauge and check for continuity.<br clear=3D"none=
"><br clear=3D"none">Thanks.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">- Bob<br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">

<div class=3D"yiv8821845970yqt5933953826" id=3D"yiv8821845970yqtfd68763"><b=
r clear=3D"none">&gt; On May 9, 2020, at 16:53, Pat Horne &lt;<a rel=3D"nof=
ollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; =EF=BB=BFBob,<br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; That sounds a bit off. The 7.6v on the yellow wire to ground=
 is fine, but the black wire should be zero. <br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br cl=
ear=3D"none">&gt; When you ground the yellow wire to the body, the gauge sh=
ould go to max. Sounds like you have a bad fuel gauge. Just to be sure you =
can try grounding the terminal on the gauge that the yellow wire goes to. <=
br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Peace,<br clear=3D"none">&gt=
; Pat<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Pat Horne <br clear=3D=
"none">&gt; We support Habitat for Humanity<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; On May 9, 2020, at 3:09 PM, RWM=
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This is very helpful, thanks.

Once point I note is it seems the range of the 311 sender unit 
resistance is backwards to the 310 -- greatest when tank is empty (47 
ohms) and least when full (approaching zero).

- Bob

On 5/11/2020 4:42 PM, Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters wrote:
> Thanks, Mike. I’m not sure how this circuit compares to the 311 but 
> I’ll check. One difference I see is that the 311s have a voltage 
> regulator for the instruments. I’ll have to check on the ground for 
> the gauge. If there is one, that could cause this problem if it is bad.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> I have the Nissan Service Manual for the SPL 310. The attached PDF is 
> a copy of the information concerning trouble shooting the fuel gauge 
> and a wiring diagram.
>
> Guess I'll try to work my fingers up behind the gauge and check for 
> continuity.
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Bob
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 2020, at 16:53, Pat Horne <[email-masked] 
> >
> > Bob,
> > That sounds a bit off. The 7.6v on the yellow wire to ground is 
> fine, but the black wire should be zero.
> >
> > When you ground the yellow wire to the body, the gauge should go to 
> max. Sounds like you have a bad fuel gauge. Just to be sure you can 
> try grounding the terminal on the gauge that the yellow wire goes to.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Pat
> >
> > Pat Horne
> >> On May 9, 2020, at 3:09 PM, RWM <[email-masked] 
> >>
> >
> > Pat,
> >
> > Yellow wire to ground, no gauge deflection
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > - Bob
> >
> >
> >> On May 9, 2020, at 13:19, Pat Horne <[email-masked] 
> >>
> >> Hook everything back up except the sender. Turn on the key & 
> measure for voltage @ the sender wires to ground. One should show 
> voltage & the other should be grounded. (Not home now to get colors) 
> ground the one with voltage. If the gauge still sits on empty you have 
> a bad gauge. If there is no voltage it could be a bad connection or a 
> bad gauge. Let me know what y’all find & I’ll walk you through more 
> diagnostics.
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >> Pat
> >>
> >>
> >> Pat Horne
> >>>>> On May 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, RWM via Datsun-roadsters 
> <[email-masked] 
> >>>
> >>
> >> This has been discussed before, but here are the indications:
> >>
> >> Fuel gauge does not budge off empty
> >>
> >> Fuel sender resistance shows 34 ohms as installed, with tank less 
> than half full
> >>
> >> Fuel sender resistance when removed varies fairly linearly from 47 
> ohms (bottom) to near zero ohms (near top), then open circuit when the 
> arm forces the wiper off the rheostat windings
> >>
> >> Fuel harness is delivering 7.6 volts, measured with the yellow and 
> black connectors removed
> >>
> >> Shorting the fuel harness to itself (yellow to black) does not 
> change the fuel gauge indication
> >>
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    This is very helpful, thanks.<br>
    <br>
    Once point I note is it seems the range of the 311 sender unit
    resistance is backwards to the 310 -- greatest when tank is empty
    (47 ohms) and least when full (approaching zero).<br>
    <br>
    - Bob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
      <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/2020 4:42 PM, Pat Horne via
      Datsun-roadsters wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      Thanks, Mike. I’m not sure how this circuit compares to the 311
      but I’ll check. One difference I see is that the 311s have a
      voltage regulator for the instruments. I’ll have to check on the
      ground for the gauge. If there is one, that could cause this
      problem if it is bad. 
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Peace,</div>
      <div>Pat<br>
        <br>
        <div dir="ltr">Pat Horne 
          <div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div>
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        <div dir="ltr"><br>
          On May 11, 2020, at 3:37 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr">
          <div style="color:black;font: 10pt arial;">I <font size="2">have
              the Nissan Service Manual for the SPL 310. The attached
              PDF is a copy of the information concerning trouble
              shooting the fuel gauge and a wiring diagram.<br>
              <br>
              I hope it can be of help.<br>
              <br>
              Mike Lyons<br>
              Vancouver, WA<br>
              1967 SPL 311 with 135 HP 2000<br>
              1967 1/2 SPL 311<br>
              1983 280ZX Turbo<br>
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              To: Pat Horne <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
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              Sent: Sat, May 9, 2020 1:57 pm<br>
              Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel indication issues<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Pat,<br clear="none">
                <br clear="none">
                The black wire is zero (ground).<br clear="none">
                <br clear="none">
                Guess I'll try to work my fingers up behind the gauge
                and check for continuity.<br clear="none">
                <br clear="none">
                Thanks.<br clear="none">
                <br clear="none">
                - Bob<br clear="none">
                <br clear="none">
                <br clear="none">
                <div class="yqt5933953826" id="yqtfd68763"><br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt; On May 9, 2020, at 16:53, Pat Horne &lt;<a
                    shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; Bob,<br clear="none">
                  &gt; That sounds a bit off. The 7.6v on the yellow
                  wire to ground is fine, but the black wire should be
                  zero. <br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; When you ground the yellow wire to the body, the
                  gauge should go to max. Sounds like you have a bad
                  fuel gauge. Just to be sure you can try grounding the
                  terminal on the gauge that the yellow wire goes to. <br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; Peace,<br clear="none">
                  &gt; Pat<br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; Pat Horne <br clear="none">
                  &gt; We support Habitat for Humanity<br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; On May 9, 2020, at 3:09 PM, RWM &lt;<a
                    shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; Pat,<br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; With ignition switch in running position<br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; Yellow wire to chassis is 7.6 volts, same as to
                  black wire<br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; Yellow wire to ground, no gauge deflection <br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; Thanks<br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; - Bob<br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; On May 9, 2020, at 13:19, Pat Horne &lt;<a
                    shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Hook everything back up except the sender.
                  Turn on the key &amp; measure for voltage @ the sender
                  wires to ground. One should show voltage &amp; the
                  other should be grounded. (Not home now to get colors)
                  ground the one with voltage. If the gauge still sits
                  on empty you have a bad gauge. If there is no voltage
                  it could be a bad connection or a bad gauge. Let me
                  know what y’all find &amp; I’ll walk you through more
                  diagnostics. <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Peace,<br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Pat<br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Pat Horne <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; We support Habitat for Humanity<br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On May 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, RWM
                  via Datsun-roadsters &lt;<a shape="rect"
                    ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                  wrote:<br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; This has been discussed before, but here are
                  the indications:<br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Fuel gauge does not budge off empty <br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Fuel sender resistance shows 34 ohms as
                  installed, with tank less than half full<br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Fuel sender resistance when removed varies
                  fairly linearly from 47 ohms (bottom) to near zero
                  ohms (near top), then open circuit when the arm forces
                  the wiper off the rheostat windings<br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Fuel harness is delivering 7.6 volts,
                  measured with the yellow and black connectors removed<br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Shorting the fuel harness to itself (yellow
                  to black) does not change the fuel gauge indication<br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Ammeter works, temperature gauge works<br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Ideas? Dash harness connector?<br
                    clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; Thanks.<br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; <br clear="none">
                  &gt;&gt; - Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex<br clear="none">
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