Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake fluid recommendations

From: Paul Courson via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 05:44:18 -0400

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Wow, thanks for the heads-up!

That was the first DOT 4 rated fluid I started using, probably 30 years
ago, in brakes and clutch hydraulics.

Have to do some research for a successor. I would still avoid
silicone-based fluid for any car that sits a lot. Water will collect and
rust the line.

Paul/Annapolis

On Sun, May 5, 2019, 21:54 Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters <
[email-masked] wrote:

> I=E2=80=99ve been using Castrol LMA brake fluid in my vehicles since the =
70=E2=80=99s. I
> just went looking for LMA @ found that Castrol doesn=E2=80=99t make it an=
y more!
> What is the current brake fluid for our roadsters?
>
> I=E2=80=99ve been using LMA in all my vehicles but my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=
=9D car is a 2006.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
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> Pat Horne
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<div dir=3D"auto">Wow, thanks for the heads-up!<div dir=3D"auto"><br><div d=
ir=3D"auto">That was the first DOT 4 rated fluid I started using, probably =
30 years ago, in brakes and clutch hydraulics.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">Have to do some research for a successor. I would st=
ill avoid silicone-based fluid for any car that sits a lot. Water will coll=
ect and rust the line.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">P=
aul/Annapolis</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr">On Sun, May 5, 2019, 21:54 Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">I=E2=80=99ve been using Castrol LMA brake fluid in my vehicle=
s since the 70=E2=80=99s. I just went looking for LMA @ found that Castrol =
doesn=E2=80=99t make it any more!=C2=A0 What is the current brake fluid for=
 our roadsters?<br>
<br>
I=E2=80=99ve been using LMA in all my vehicles but my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D=
 car is a 2006. <br>
<br>
Peace,<br>
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From: dave via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 08:09:50 -0500

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You are just plain wrong with that comment on silicone based fluids.  It =
may perhaps be true that if you get water in the line it won=E2=80=99t =
be absorbed by the brake fluid.  How are you getting water in the line?

=20

In fact, dot 3 / 4 is hygroscopic, which means it absorbs water.  So =
actually dot 3 / 4 is actually much more of a culprit.

=20

From: Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]> On =
Behalf Of Paul Courson via Datsun-roadsters
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 4:44 AM
To: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Cc: datsun-roadsters: autox.team. net <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake fluid recommendations

=20

=20

That was the first DOT 4 rated fluid I started using, probably 30 years =
ago, in brakes and clutch hydraulics.

=20

Have to do some research for a successor. I would still avoid =
silicone-based fluid for any car that sits a lot. Water will collect and =
rust the line.

=20

Paul/Annapolis

=20

On Sun, May 5, 2019, 21:54 Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters =
<[email-masked] =

I=E2=80=99ve been using Castrol LMA brake fluid in my vehicles since the =
70=E2=80=99s. I just went looking for LMA @ found that Castrol =
doesn=E2=80=99t make it any more!  What is the current brake fluid for =
our roadsters?

I=E2=80=99ve been using LMA in all my vehicles but my =
=E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D car is a 2006.=20

Peace,
Pat

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>You are =
just plain wrong with that comment on silicone based fluids.=C2=A0 It =
may perhaps be true that if you get water in the line it won=E2=80=99t =
be absorbed by the brake fluid.=C2=A0 How are you getting water in the =
line?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In fact, dot 3 / 4 is hygroscopic, which means it =
absorbs water.=C2=A0 So actually dot 3 / 4 is actually much more of a =
culprit.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Datsun-roadsters =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul =
Courson via Datsun-roadsters<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 6, 2019 4:44 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Pat Horne &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
datsun-roadsters: autox.team. net =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Roadsters] Brake fluid recommendations<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Wow, =
thanks for the heads-up!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>That =
was the first DOT 4 rated fluid I started using, probably 30 years ago, =
in brakes and clutch hydraulics.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Have to do some research for a successor. I would =
still avoid silicone-based fluid for any car that sits a lot. Water will =
collect and rust the line.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Paul/Annapolis<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, May 5, 2019, 21:54 Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I=E2=80=99ve been using Castrol LMA brake =
fluid in my vehicles since the 70=E2=80=99s. I just went looking for LMA =
@ found that Castrol doesn=E2=80=99t make it any more!&nbsp; What is the =
current brake fluid for our roadsters?<br><br>I=E2=80=99ve been using =
LMA in all my vehicles but my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D car is a 2006. =
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From: Paul Courson via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 09:10:58 -0400

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Condensation from cycles of heating & cooling.

On Mon, May 6, 2019, 09:09 dave via Datsun-roadsters <
[email-masked] wrote:

> You are just plain wrong with that comment on silicone based fluids.  It
> may perhaps be true that if you get water in the line it won=E2=80=99t be=
 absorbed
> by the brake fluid.  How are you getting water in the line?
>
>
>
> In fact, dot 3 / 4 is hygroscopic, which means it absorbs water.  So
> *From:* Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]> *On
> Behalf Of *Paul Courson via Datsun-roadsters
> *Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2019 4:44 AM
> *To:* Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* datsun-roadsters: autox.team. net <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Roadsters] Brake fluid recommendations
>
>
>
70=E2=80=99s. I
y more!
=9D car is a 2006.
> We support Habitat for Humanity

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<div dir=3D"auto">Condensation from cycles of heating &amp; cooling.</div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, May 6, 2019, 09:09 d=
ave via Datsun-roadsters &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=
=3D"m_-2778291793229303450WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are just=
 plain wrong with that comment on silicone based fluids.=C2=A0 It may perha=
ps be true that if you get water in the line it won=E2=80=99t be absorbed b=
y the brake fluid.=C2=A0 How are you getting water in the line?<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>In fact, dot 3 / 4 is hygroscopic, which means it absorbs water.=C2=A0 So =
actually dot 3 / 4 is actually much more of a culprit.<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:=
</b> Datsun-roadsters &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">datsun-roadsters-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Courson via Datsun-roadsters<b=
r><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 6, 2019 4:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Pat Horne &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">p=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> datsun-roadsters: autox.team. ne=
t &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</=
b> Re: [Roadsters] Brake fluid recommendations<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Wow, thanks=
 for the heads-up!<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">That was the first DOT 4 rated fl=
uid I started using, probably 30 years ago, in brakes and clutch hydraulics=
.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have to do some research for a successo=
r. I would still avoid silicone-based fluid for any car that sits a lot. Wa=
ter will collect and rust the line.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul/=
Annapolis<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, May 5, 2019, 21:5=
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margin-right:0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I=
=E2=80=99ve been using Castrol LMA brake fluid in my vehicles since the 70=
=E2=80=99s. I just went looking for LMA @ found that Castrol doesn=E2=80=99=
t make it any more!=C2=A0 What is the current brake fluid for our roadsters=
?<br><br>I=E2=80=99ve been using LMA in all my vehicles but my =E2=80=9Cnew=
=E2=80=9D car is a 2006. <br><br>Peace,<br>Pat<br><br>Pat Horne <br>We supp=
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From: Gary McCormick via Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 14:01:32 +0000 (UTC)

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Environmental moisture finds its way into your car=E2=80=99s hydraulic syst=
ems any time the reservoir is uncapped, and who knows how else. I lost clut=
ch function in the =E2=80=9976 BMW 3.0 Si I used to own because a little be=
ad of water that had collected in the lowest point in the system, which hap=
pened to be the clutch slave cylinder, froze=E2=80=94and then, when I pushe=
d in the clutch pedal the first thing in the morning, that little ice chunk=
 tore the seal.
Gary McCormickSan Jose, CA=E2=80=9970 2000, SRL311-13291

=20

    On Monday, May 6, 2019, 6:13:06 AM PDT, dave via Datsun-roadsters <dats=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
=20
You are just plain wrong with that comment on silicone based fluids.=C2=A0 =
It may perhaps be true that if you get water in the line it won=E2=80=99t b=
e absorbed by the brake fluid.=C2=A0 How are you getting water in the line?

 =C2=A0

In fact, dot 3 / 4 is hygroscopic, which means it absorbs water.=C2=A0 So a=
ctually dot 3 / 4 is actually much more of a culprit.

 =C2=A0

From: Datsun-roadsters <[email-masked]> On Behalf =
Of Paul Courson via Datsun-roadsters
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 4:44 AM
To: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Cc: datsun-roadsters: autox.team. net <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Brake fluid recommendations

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

That was the first DOT 4 rated fluid I started using, probably 30 years ago=
, in brakes and clutch hydraulics.

 =C2=A0

Have to do some research for a successor. I would still avoid silicone-base=
d fluid for any car that sits a lot. Water will collect and rust the line.

 =C2=A0

Paul/Annapolis

 =C2=A0

On Sun, May 5, 2019, 21:54 Pat Horne via Datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadsters=
@autox.team.net wrote:

I=E2=80=99ve been using Castrol LMA brake fluid in my vehicles since the 70=
=E2=80=99s. I just went looking for LMA @ found that Castrol doesn=E2=80=99=
t make it any more!=C2=A0 What is the current brake fluid for our roadsters=
?

 car is a 2006.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

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div>Environmental moisture finds its way into your car=E2=80=99s hydraulic =
systems any time the reservoir is uncapped, and who knows how else. I lost =
clutch function in the =E2=80=9976 BMW 3.0 Si I used to own because a littl=
e bead of water that had collected in the lowest point in the system, which=
 happened to be the clutch slave cylinder, froze=E2=80=94and then, when I p=
ushed in the clutch pedal the first thing in the morning, that little ice c=
hunk tore the seal.</div><div><br></div><div>Gary McCormick</div><div>San J=
ose, CA</div><div>=E2=80=9970 2000, SRL311-13291<br></div><div><br></div><d=
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                    On Monday, May 6, 2019, 6:13:06 AM PDT, dave via Datsun=
-roadsters &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719"><div><div class=
=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666=
719MsoNormal">You are just plain wrong with that comment on silicone based =
fluids.&nbsp; It may perhaps be true that if you get water in the line it w=
on=E2=80=99t be absorbed by the brake fluid.&nbsp; How are you getting wate=
r in the line?</p><p class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p=
><p class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal">In fact, dot 3 / 4 is hygro=
scopic, which means it absorbs water.&nbsp; So actually dot 3 / 4 is actual=
ly much more of a culprit.</p><p class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal=
"> &nbsp;</p><div class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719yqt4340060502" id=3D"ydp=
bcf023dayiv6970666719yqt37917"><p class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNorma=
l"><b>From:</b> Datsun-roadsters &lt;[email-masked]=
t&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Courson via Datsun-roadsters<br clear=3D"non=
e"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 6, 2019 4:44 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Pa=
t Horne &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> datsun-r=
oadsters: autox.team. net &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Roadsters] Brake fluid recommendations</p><p=
 class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"yd=
pbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal">Wow, thanks for the heads-up!</p><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydpb=
cf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal">That was the first DOT 4 rated fluid I start=
ed using, probably 30 years ago, in brakes and clutch hydraulics.</p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><=
p class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal">Have to do some research for =
a successor. I would still avoid silicone-based fluid for any car that sits=
 a lot. Water will collect and rust the line.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp=
bcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpbcf023=
dayiv6970666719MsoNormal">Paul/Annapolis</p></div></div></div><p class=3D"y=
dpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D"ydpbcf02=
3dayiv6970666719MsoNormal">On Sun, May 5, 2019, 21:54 Pat Horne via Datsun-=
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 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;"><p class=3D"ydpbcf023dayiv6970666719MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">I=E2=80=99ve been using Castrol LMA brake f=
luid in my vehicles since the 70=E2=80=99s. I just went looking for LMA @ f=
ound that Castrol doesn=E2=80=99t make it any more!&nbsp; What is the curre=
nt brake fluid for our roadsters?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I=E2=
=80=99ve been using LMA in all my vehicles but my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D car=
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