From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 01:18:06 2000 From: Dennis Currington To: Andrew Murphy Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:14:00 -0700 Subject: Re: The disappearing 67.5 2000 Andrew Murphy wrote: > Hey List, > > A while back, I posted about that 67.5 2000 listed in Hemmings. I had > contacted the owner and received some pics of the car and was going to > arrange to go see the car so I could forward a report to the list for anyone > interested in it. I did forward the pics to some interested list members. > > Well, I have not heard from the guy since then. I have sent repeated emails > asking for him to contact me about the car to no avail. Don't know if he is > a flake or is not really interested in selling the car. Just wanted to let > the list know I tried but will not be pursuing this any further. > > If you want, I forward his email address to you off list. You can then give > it a bash if you are willing. > > Regards, > > Andrew Murphy > SoCal Andrew, We (CDM) have been trying to negotiate a deal with this same guy for over 2yrs....go figure. Dennis Dennis Currington 1967.5 Solex 2000 San Diego Datsuns.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 03:10:51 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: RRyan@frk.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 05:09:58 EDT Subject: Elva (OT) (was Race) + Racing pages web update Hi List Fred Talmadge runs an excellent website on the Elva titled 'Elva - She Goes', URL:- http://www.industryinet.com/~fredtal/elva.html. [Roadster Content - most Elvas had a softtop and 4 wheels! - (there were some pretty ugly notchbacks as well - uglier than a fastback hardtop?)]. The Col Joe Hauser pages have been updated - Joe, who is still very enthusiastic about Roadsters at 81 years of age (but who now runs an SLK) has scanned and E-Mailed a number of excellent shots which are now included on the site - he's also provided some more great info on his career - The truth is I can't keep up with Joe - he's E-Mailed some more pics and info this morning which are not yet up there - expect a further update soon. http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/ColJoeHauser.htm BTW Joe tells me that he won 22 Divisional Titles in the SCCA's NE Region following retirement from the USAF, 16 in a Datsun 1600, 7 in a Sprite, and 1 driving both. He retired from racing in his mid-late 70s. Some feat. Now what shall I do when I retire? Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 04:51:10 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "Victor Laury" , Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:24:13 -0400 Subject: Re: What a dissapointment Victor, The best way to get better at Autocross; ... seat time! I wouldn't be disappointed with last ( been there!). It is the best place to begin besting other people's times. Keep us all up to date and I'm willing to bet that by your 3rd AX, you will not be finishing at the bottom! Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: Victor Laury To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:17 PM Subject: What a dissapointment >Just got the scores from the AutoX I did August 13th (my first event). Dead >last in SK2 (street tire indexed class) 1 full second behind 6th place and >make that 2 seconds if you add their index. > >I'm still hooked and I know I can only do better. On a positive note, I did >better than most of the novices (which I didn't run even though I a green >novice) > >Victor >70 SRL 31113136 >Los Angeles >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 >SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 07:31:51 2000 From: Michael Tarelka To: Andrew Murphy Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 06:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: The disappearing 67.5 2000] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C4B70FA0FB5162E928115222 Is this the guy in Alaska, with the car in Southern Califonia? --------------C4B70FA0FB5162E928115222 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from h14.mail.home.com ([24.0.95.48]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000901072301.GBMN27630.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@h14.mail.home.com> for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:23:01 -0700 Received: from mx8-rwc.mail.home.com (mx8-rwc.mail.home.com [24.0.95.37]) by h14.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA10252; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (teamfat2.dsl.aros.net [207.173.21.42]) by mx8-rwc.mail.home.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA14874; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e817HZs16032 for datsun-roadsters-actors; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:17:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: teamfat2.dsl.aros.net: majordom set sender to owner-datsun-roadsters@Autox.Team.Net using -f Message-ID: <39AF5738.3D912189@mail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:14:00 -0700 From: Dennis Currington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Murphy CC: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: The disappearing 67.5 2000 References: Sender: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dennis Currington X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Andrew Murphy wrote: > Hey List, > > A while back, I posted about that 67.5 2000 listed in Hemmings. I had > contacted the owner and received some pics of the car and was going to > arrange to go see the car so I could forward a report to the list for anyone > interested in it. I did forward the pics to some interested list members. > > Well, I have not heard from the guy since then. I have sent repeated emails > asking for him to contact me about the car to no avail. Don't know if he is > a flake or is not really interested in selling the car. Just wanted to let > the list know I tried but will not be pursuing this any further. > > If you want, I forward his email address to you off list. You can then give > it a bash if you are willing. > > Regards, > > Andrew Murphy > SoCal Andrew, We (CDM) have been trying to negotiate a deal with this same guy for over 2yrs....go figure. Dennis Dennis Currington 1967.5 Solex 2000 San Diego Datsuns.net --------------C4B70FA0FB5162E928115222-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 07:49:50 2000 From: Michael Tarelka To: Tom and Melissa Nash Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 06:53:52 -0700 Subject: 1600 Travels from Denver to Alameda -Arrival - Safe and Sound Tom, The Roadster, arrived last night all safe and sound. I had enough time to wash it, put the top down and go for a little spin, albeit locally, because of no plates. I had a terrific time. The car barely fit on the car carrier and thank goodness the driver knew what he was doing; the wheelbase was 6 inches narrower than the tracks on the truck - yipes! She started right up and runs fine - the idle is a little high and only one backfire. I've got to tackle the tach cable problem. Thanks again for you help and assistance. Sincerely, Michael Tarelka Alameda, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 08:00:13 2000 From: "Victor Laury" To: "Michael Tarelka" , Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:43:07 -0700 Subject: Re: 1600 Travels from Denver to Alameda -Arrival - Safe and Sound And Congrats to Michael for finding himself a roadster!! Looks like BADROC has a new member. Hey mike, post up some pictures of your new arrival. And I'm sure Roman wants your info for the registry project. Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 08:35:36 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: mtarelka@home.com, mltjnash@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:33:33 EDT Subject: Re: 1600 Travels from Denver to Alameda -Arrival - Safe and Sound Sounds like we need a badroc run! Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 08:48:21 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Michael Tarelka" , Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:53:02 -0500 Subject: Re: 1600 Travels from Denver to Alameda -Arrival - Safe and Sound Michael Tarelka wrote >Tom, > >The Roadster, arrived last night all safe and sound. I had enough time >to wash it, put the top down and go for a little spin, albeit locally, >because of no plates. I had a terrific time. > >The car barely fit on the car carrier and thank goodness the driver knew >what he was doing; the wheelbase was 6 inches narrower than the tracks >on the truck - yipes! > >She started right up and runs fine - the idle is a little high and only >one backfire. I've got to tackle the tach cable problem. > >Thanks again for you help and assistance. > >Sincerely, > >Michael Tarelka >Alameda, CA > > > Mike, Congratulations on the roadster! Who was your shipper? would you recommend them? -Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 11:25:24 2000 From: noji To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:37:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Race They paid more attention to language than GM. NOVA = no go BONeild@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/31/00 10:44:16 PM, RRyan@frk.com writes: > > << Does any one know how the Elva got its name? >> > > "elle va" or she goes! > > Bill O > SRL311 00030 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 12:24:43 2000 From: cbreaul@banet.net To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:24:35 -0400 Subject: DRONE-VT Run This is a little late coming out. Last weeks run into Vermont was an excellent time. We put on over 300 miles through the back roads and found all sorts of stuff. You can't believe how many wineries there are in the middle of nowhere.( I know the left coast guys are saying "Wineries, in Vermot?"). Yes, in Vermont. The Glen next weekend should be an even bigger blast(more wineries).Also, Charlie Ellis now has the official limited edition DRONE T-shirts. He will be bringing some to the Glen but those that want one early should contact Charlie. Charlie Breault From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 12:35:01 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:34:14 EDT Subject: mechanic joke Really bad mechanic joke I ran across: A gynecologist had a burning desire to change careers and become a mechanic. So she found out from her local tech college what was involved, signed up for evening classes and attended diligently, learning all she could. When time for the practical exam approached, she prepared carefully for weeks, and completed the exam with tremendous skill. When the results came back, she was surprised to find that she had obtained a mark of 150%. Fearing an error, she called the instructor, saying "I don't want to appear ungrateful for such an outstanding result, but I wondered if there had been an error which needed adjusting." The instructor said, "During the exam, you took the engine apart perfectly, which was worth 50% of the total mark. You put the engine back together again perfectly, which is also worth 50% of the mark. I gave you an extra 50% because you did all of it THROUGH the muffler..." ****************************************************************************** **** Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 12:42:48 2000 From: Tomet9@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:41:43 EDT Subject: roadster rarity Hi roadster fans, Just got back from a vacation in Japan. Just wanted to let you all know that while I was there , I didn't see one roadster. A whole month and not one sighting. I remember as a young kid (spent my early years there) they were very rare,most were exported to other countries. About the oldest car I saw was aToyo/Corona, a Toyo/Publica(never exported) both from mid 60's. I did see a 510sss Coupe(never exported) and of course the ever popular Skyline GTR/GT 69/70ish. I guess what I'm implying here is HOLD ON TO THESE CARS!! they're becoming ever scarce by the day. Looked in the back of japanese car mags and found most of the roadster ads to be for SRL's from the states(lft hand drive). Most are probably Calif cars. The asking price on average were about 10 grand. I hate to see roadsters in the junkjards, but every time I do ,that just means our cars have appreciated just a little more. Sorry, Socal members, wanted to meet all of you, will try for next one. Tom Prather 69/SRL 2.0 Pasadena,Ca From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 13:03:42 2000 From: Tomet9@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:03:07 EDT Subject: re:wheels Hi guys/gals This question is directed toward Craig Hooper, I believe you're a list member. I don't know your e-mail address but I saw your silver/gray fairlady at Photo/point. Just wanted to know if those are panasport wheels and what size. I'd appreciate a response, by the way it looks sharp, good job. Thanks, Tom 69/2.0 Srl From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 13:09:03 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: Tomet9@aol.com Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:08:30 PDT Subject: Re: roadster rarity Tom and List, On a similar note, I got together with some old high school buds that I had not seen in years for dinner last night. Drove my roadster and they of course had never seen one and didn't think there were any left. Along with Vic Laury's neighbor, I think I have them thinking about getting one as I told them the average asking price is about 2-5k. I agree with Tom. These cars WILL apreciate as they get even more rare. We already know that these cars are special. Someday everyone will. Tom, the SoCalers are looking forward to meeting you too. See you at Doheny! Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex SoCalROC >From: Tomet9@aol.com >Reply-To: Tomet9@aol.com >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >CC: Tomet9@aol.com >Subject: roadster rarity >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:41:43 EDT > >Hi roadster fans, > > Just got back from a vacation in Japan. Just wanted to let you all >know that while I was there , I didn't see one roadster. A whole month and >not one sighting. I remember as a young kid (spent my early years there) >they >were very rare,most were exported to other countries. About the oldest car >I >saw was aToyo/Corona, a Toyo/Publica(never exported) both from mid 60's. I >did see a 510sss Coupe(never exported) and of course the ever popular >Skyline >GTR/GT 69/70ish. > I guess what I'm implying here is HOLD ON TO THESE CARS!! >they're >becoming ever scarce by the day. Looked in the back of japanese car mags >and >found most of the roadster ads to be for SRL's from the states(lft hand >drive). Most are probably Calif cars. The asking price on average were >about >10 grand. > I hate to see roadsters in the junkjards, but every time I do >,that just means our cars have appreciated just a little more. > Sorry, Socal members, wanted to meet all of you, will try for >next >one. > > Tom Prather > 69/SRL 2.0 > Pasadena,Ca > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 13:09:35 2000 From: Toby B To: a roadster list Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:06:34 -0700 Subject: Racing isn't ALWAYS about winning But Victor, You DID have fun, right? Toby B > Subject: What a dissapointment > > Just got the scores from the AutoX I did August 13th (my first event). Dead > last in SK2 (street tire indexed class) 1 full second behind 6th place and > make that 2 seconds if you add their index. > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 13:27:50 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'Tomet9@aol.com'" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:26:03 -0700 Subject: RE: roadster rarity It's good to have you back Tom. If you get a chance to go over the pacific again, we'll steer you to the Japanese SP/SL Club. They love meeting Roadster nuts from the States. The Next event looks to be the Doheny Beach show. This is a big one and much anticipated every year. If you haven't registered yet, please do so now at http://www.classicdatsun.com/ . It does not matter the condition of your roadster. I guess you can tell by now that if there is a reason for us to get together, we will be there! We SoCalROCers in the north Greg, Roman and I may be having a tuning tech get together sometime this month, but I'm not up on the details yet. Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 13:42:45 2000 From: Alex Avery To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:40:38 -0400 Subject: Steering Q I know that my Z cars have rack and pinion steering, but I don't know what the roadster has. I can't look under my pop's roadster because it's at his house at the moment, but he is whinning about the excessive steering play in the center. Actually, when I delivered it to his house, I too noticed quite a bit of steering play. So, two questions: 1. Does the roadster have rack-n-pinion steering, or is it a worm gear. 2. Can it be fixed, or do you need to replace the rack/worm? 3. If it needs replacing, are decent replacements available? Alex Avery From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 13:52:04 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net'" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:50:19 -0700 Subject: Week end Mt. Wilson Run? I know this is short notice and some of you will be out of town, but lets poll on who'd like to ride this weekend. Saturday or Sunday, while the rest of the town is fighting traffic at the beach, we could take a cruise up the Angeles Crest Hwy to the Mt. Wilson Observatory. Where it's possible to see ALL of Los Angeles ALL at once. We could meet at my messy house (since it's right off the 2), and head out together from there. Any Takers? Please respond to my Home Email vlaury@earthlink.net or call the number below before 4:30. After 5:00, I'm at 323-258-3129 Victor A. Laury Environmental Inspector Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority Quality Assurance Department Environmental Compliance Management (213) 922-5795 > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 14:13:02 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net'" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:11:11 -0700 Subject: Trailer Hitch OK! Now I'll have a set of race wheels (Thank you) Now I got to schlep then to the events! I saw a Miata hauling the little 4X3.5 trailer sold at Harbor Freight with his race wheels, tool box and cooler and thought "That's the way to Go!" I remember someone mentioning they had a hitch for just such a chore. Any advice? Victor A. Laury Environmental Inspector Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority Quality Assurance Department Environmental Compliance Management (213) 922-5795 To: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:19:06 +0200 Subject: engine gasket kit Hi List, Tried to order engine gasket kit and cylinder gasket for a SRL at NMPCE (Nissan Motor Parts Center Europe) i, the Netherlands, wich is the main part center for Europe. Unfortunalty both aren't available anymore! What now? Is there an other supplier, you know about? Best would be in Europe! Regards, Chris - The Belgian Roadster From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 14:23:51 2000 From: Roman Rist To: "Laury, Victor" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Week end Mt. Wilson Run? Sounds good to me, Sunday probably better Sat is filled. we'll have to get Andrew Murphy up early. hey Andrew, get your sway bar from Les yet? Roman --- "Laury, Victor" wrote: > I know this is short notice and some of you will be out of town, but > lets > poll on who'd like to ride this weekend. > > Saturday or Sunday, while the rest of the town is fighting traffic at > the > beach, we could take a cruise up the Angeles Crest Hwy to the Mt. > Wilson > Observatory. Where it's possible to see ALL of Los Angeles ALL at > once. We > could meet at my messy house (since it's right off the 2), and head > out > together from there. > > Any Takers? Please respond to my Home Email vlaury@earthlink.net or > call the > number below before 4:30. After 5:00, I'm at 323-258-3129 > > Victor A. Laury > Environmental Inspector > Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority > Quality Assurance Department > Environmental Compliance Management > (213) 922-5795 (213) 922-5142 Fax 900 Lyon Street 30-2-1 > Los Angeles, CA 90012-2952 > ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 14:41:01 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Alex Avery" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:36:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Steering Q Alex, There is a screw on the top of the box with a locknut on it. Loosen locknut then tighten screw down a little bit and it will take some of the slop out of the center part of the steering. Do NOT tighten it down too much as the center is usually worn the most and it could/will bind if you take all the slop out. Go for test drives to tighten it more or loosen it more w/o binding when making a turn. BTW, Roadster had 2 boxes 1. worm and roller and 2. recirculating ball which came in late cars. No Rack & Pinion Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Avery To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 3:40 PM Subject: Steering Q > I know that my Z cars have rack and pinion steering, but I don't know what > the roadster has. I can't look under my pop's roadster because it's at his > house at the moment, but he is whinning about the excessive steering play > in the center. Actually, when I delivered it to his house, I too noticed > quite a bit of steering play. > > So, two questions: > 1. Does the roadster have rack-n-pinion steering, or is it a worm gear. > 2. Can it be fixed, or do you need to replace the rack/worm? > 3. If it needs replacing, are decent replacements available? > > Alex Avery From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 14:44:55 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Datsun Roadster List" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:40:25 -0400 Subject: Indy Driving Rules Sounds like NY if you ask me. > -----Original Message----- > >> Indianapolis Driving Rules (Or, not all Indy, NASCAR and Formula One > >> > races > >> > are at the track) > >> > > >> > 1. A right-lane construction closure is just a game to see how many > >> > people > >> > can cut in line by passing you > >> > on the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the same > >> drivers > >> > to > >> > squeeze their way back in before > >> > hitting the orange construction barrels. > >> > > >> > 2. Turn signals will give away your next move. A real Indianapolis > >> driver > >> > never uses them. Use of them in > >> > Castleton may be illegal. > >> > > >> > 3. Under no circumstances should you leave a safe distance between you > >> > and > >> > the car in front of you, or the > >> > space will be filled in by somebody else putting you in an even > >> more > >> > dangerous situation. > >> > > >> > 4. Crossing two or more lanes in a single lane-change is considered > >> > "going > >> > with the flow." > >> > > >> > 5. The faster you drive through a red light, the smaller the chance > you > >> > have of getting hit. > >> > > >> > 6. Never get in the way of an older car that needs extensive bodywork. > >> > > >> > 7. Braking is to be done as hard and late as possible to ensure that > >> your > >> > ABS kicks in, giving a nice, relaxing > >> > foot massage as the brake pedal pulsates. For those of you without > >> > ABS, > >> > it's a chance to stretch your legs. > >> > > >> > 8. Construction signs warn you about road closures immediately after > >> you > >> > pass the last exit before the backup. > >> > > >> > 9. Electronic traffic warning signs are not there to provide useful > >> > information. They are only there to make Indianapolis > >> > look high-tech, and to distract you from seeing the state police > >> radar > >> > car parked on the median. > >> > > >> > 10. Never pass on the left when you can pass on the right. > >> > > >> > 11. Speed limits are arbitrary figures, given only as suggestions, and > >> > are > >> > apparently not enforceable during rush hour. > >> > > >> > 12. Just because you're in the left lane and have no room to speed up > >> or > >> > move over doesn't mean that an Indianapolis > >> > driver flashing his high beams behind you doesn't think he can go > >> > faster in your spot. > >> > > >> > 13. Always slow down and rubberneck when you see an accident, or even > >> if > >> > someone is just changing a tire. > >> > > >> > 14. Throwing litter on the roads adds color to the landscape and gives > >> > Adopt-a-Highway crews something to clean up. > >> > > >> > 15. It is assumed that state police cars passing at high speed may be > >> > followed in the event you need to make up > >> > a few minutes on your way to work. > >> > > >> > 16. Learn to swerve abruptly. Indianapolis is the home of high-speed > >> > slalom > >> > driving thanks to potholes. > >> > > >> > 17. It is traditional in Indianapolis to honk your horn at cars that > >> > don't > >> > move the instant the light changes. > >> > > >> > 18. Seeking eye contact with another driver revokes your right of way, > >> > except in Speedway, where it acts as an > >> > invitation to duel or play chicken. > >> > > >> > 19. Never take a green light at face value. Always look right and left > >> > before proceeding. In Indianapolis it is common > >> > to stop and then decide which direction to turn. > >> > > >> > 20. Remember that the goal of every Indianapolis driver is to get > there > >> > first, by whatever means necessary. > >> > > >> > 21. Real Indianapolis female drivers can put on pantyhose, apply eye > >> > makeup, and balance the checkbook at > >> > seventy-five miles per hour during a snowstorm in > bumper-to-bumper > >> > traffic. > >> > > >> > 22. Real Indianapolis male drivers can remove pantyhose and a bra at > >> > seventy-five miles per hour in bumper-to-bumper > >> > traffic during daylight hours (who would want to at night?). > >> > > >> > 23. Heavy snow, ice, fog, and rain are no reasons to change any of the > >> > previously listed rules. These weather > >> > conditions are God's way of ensuring a natural selection process > >> for > >> > body shops, junkyards, and new vehicle sales. > >> > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 15:17:40 2000 From: Christopher Coker To: Datsun Roadster Mailing List Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:17:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Steering Q The shop manual says that about 1/2" of steering play is acceptable. If adjusting the steering box doesn't seem to do much, you might also check the nut that holds the steering wheel on the shaft. While the shaft is splined, I had personal experience that if that nut isn't tight you can experience some significant play. It could also mean worn ball joints, tie rod ends, and/or suspension bushings. Chris Coker Royal Oak, MI '69 1600 SPL311-24529 '66 1600 G Production Race Car <- almost finished! > There is a screw on the top of the box with a locknut on it. Loosen locknut > then tighten screw down a little bit and it will take some of the slop out > of the center part of the steering. Do NOT tighten it down too much as the > center is usually worn the most and it could/will bind if you take all the > slop out. Go for test drives to tighten it more or loosen it more w/o > binding when making a turn. > > BTW, Roadster had 2 boxes 1. worm and roller and 2. recirculating ball which > came in late cars. No Rack & Pinion From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 16:04:14 2000 From: Hoon Kim To: datsun roadster mailist Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:03:31 -0700 Subject: Roadster on Japanese TV While trolling around I found this link to a japanese tv program with a short clip on roadster. This is entirely in Japanese, and in a small real video format so is hard to see, but the cars do look nice. I especially like the seats and gear in the last car (the silver one). Ken, what do you think of the red w/ black racing stripes look. ;) Here is a direct link to the real video file. http://www2.odn.ne.jp/~cbe98700/s8s/s8s_tv03.rm here is the link to the page (all in japanese only) http://www2.odn.ne.jp/~cbe98700/ click on street8style link. -- - Hoon Kim - x6184 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 16:51:16 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: hoon@pixar.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:50:34 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV the color I think would look good is bright green with either a black or blue strip. Hmm maybe the 67 1600 does need a paint job. Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 17:14:54 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:08:43 -0700 Subject: small world (roadsters wanted) Hello, Not active with the cars much due to lots of work. Here I am at work, busy pumping out documents and I go to a printer room to pick up some of them. And I find a printout of internet roadster pictures on top of the output bin! I grabbed it, thinking I don't remember printing anything but I don't want to get caught using company stuff. Wait a minute, I haven't been checking roadsters lately! A co-worker comes in to retrieve it, and was quite surprised that I'm into Datsun roadsters. It's been a dream of his to buy a Datsun roadster, and now he is seriously looking around for one and doing some research on the internet. I've had roadster pictures all over my cubicle but he never had a clue, despite being about 25 feet away for the last couple years. Small world! With computers, us systems guys don't hang around much with applications guys. He's got a Peugeot sports car, but wants to dump it in favor of a Datsun. Smart man! Soon, we'll have another BADROC member. So, if anyone has any leads on roadsters for sale in California, let me know and I'll forward them on to him. I'm steering him towards 2000's, although a 1600 might do if we can transplant a 2000 into it. He's a novice, as he thought all Datsun roadsters had 150HP powerplants. Nice thought, but he's now learning some details! Fred - So.SF, CA BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 17:40:16 2000 From: "Toshiyuki Sasakado" To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:39:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV If you understand Japanese, you do not want to own these cars. In the video clip, these guys (owners of Fairlady) are singles and do not have any time nor money to date girls. They invested all their money to their beloved Fairlady (very similar in US). The local TV asked and invited some girl for their opinion on the guys and their cars. Last girl said "I do not want to get in these topless car (convertible), the wind mess my hair !!" Well, she is missing fun ride..... Anyway, Does anyone replaced water temperature sender before? My car start acting very funny. Every time hits bumps or potholes, temp. indicator goes 0 degree. and sometime return to 180ish or stay 0. I do not want to yank the sender. Thank you, and have a safe Labor day Holidays. Toshi 1966 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 17:44:07 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:43:41 PDT Subject: Re: small world (roadsters wanted) Fred, Hook him up to Traderonline.com Here are some lists to look at: http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3473258 http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3462590 http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3467514 http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?120929 TONS of cars there. Also hook him up to CDM's website. I can't believe that white 65 1600 has not sold. It is SUCH a nice car! Andrew Murphy SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 17:51:59 2000 From: "Victor Laury" To: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:35:30 -0700 Subject: A story of loss and regret I got off a little early from work today. It's just far too beautiful a day to waste in an office. Well, I drove around a while then headed to that Mecca of the thrifty set, Pick And Save (love this place). As I parked I noticed a young woman staring and pointing at my car to her mother. Inside, she chased me down and tells me that she loves my car but it kind of makes her sad. I ask why and she tells me that she just sold her 68 2000. She had it parked for over a year at her moms house with a garage full of new and rechromed parts all ready for a few small dents and repaint. It needed and alternator to run again and she had even bought that. She went on further to say that she even had a new full set of SS side molding that she threw in on the deal. And now she misses her car. Now get this - She sold it for $250.00! aAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!! Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 18:01:27 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Toshiyuki Sasakado" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:57:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV Toshiyuki, I don't think it's the sensor but a loose wire. Check the wire that goes into the gauge and the wire connected to the sender. 66 Mike BTW, I want the cars!!!!!!! Keep the girl!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Toshiyuki Sasakado To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV > If you understand Japanese, you do not want to own these cars. > > In the video clip, these guys (owners of Fairlady) are singles and do > not have any time nor money to date girls. They invested all their > money to their beloved Fairlady (very similar in US). The local TV asked > and invited some girl for their opinion on the guys and their cars. > Last girl said "I do not want to get in these topless car (convertible), > the wind mess my hair !!" > > Well, she is missing fun ride..... > > Anyway, Does anyone replaced water temperature sender before? My car > start acting very funny. Every time hits bumps or potholes, temp. > indicator goes 0 degree. and sometime return to 180ish or stay 0. > > I do not want to yank the sender. > > Thank you, and have a safe Labor day Holidays. > > Toshi > 1966 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 18:14:36 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Victor Laury" , Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:10:48 -0400 Subject: Re: A story of loss and regret Vic, Seems like somebody else always gets dem deals!!!!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor Laury To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:35 PM Subject: A story of loss and regret > I got off a little early from work today. It's just far too beautiful a day > to waste in an office. Well, I drove around a while then headed to that > Mecca of the thrifty set, Pick And Save (love this place). As I parked I > noticed a young woman staring and pointing at my car to her mother. Inside, > she chased me down and tells me that she loves my car but it kind of makes > her sad. I ask why and she tells me that she just sold her 68 2000. She had > it parked for over a year at her moms house with a garage full of new and > rechromed parts all ready for a few small dents and repaint. It needed and > alternator to run again and she had even bought that. She went on further to > say that she even had a new full set of SS side molding that she threw in on > the deal. And now she misses her car. > > Now get this - She sold it for $250.00! > > aAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!! > > Victor > 70 SRL 31113136 > Los Angeles > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 > SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 19:22:51 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:24:23 -0700 Subject: Re: small world (roadsters wanted) There is a 69 1600 for sale on Brewster Ave. in Redwood City. I think asking $1600, I think worth $1200. Bondo on drivers side door and quarter panel. Owner couldn't get it started the day I talked to him Needs some tlc David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 19:27:26 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: dc311@datsuns.net, Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:30:05 -0700 Subject: Re: 1600 vs 2000 rear ends Dennis, Judging from that picture of the 66 GT I'd say you have done enough breaking. :-0 Tell me that wasn't really the GT!!! What Happened?? David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 19:44:51 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: David & Candy Pina Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:41:57 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: small world (roadsters wanted) I'll do a "drive-by" and scope it out for my co-worker. If it don't run, that might get the price under $1000! I was telling him that paying the big bucks up front is often better because you get a car that received the "tlc" and will cost less in the long run than repairing a rust bucket. Thanks, Fred - So.SF, CA ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: small world (roadsters wanted) > Author: David & Candy Pina > Date: 9/1/2000 6:24 PM > >There is a 69 1600 for sale on Brewster Ave. in Redwood City. I >think asking $1600, I think worth $1200. Bondo on drivers side door >and quarter panel. Owner couldn't get it started the day I talked to >him Needs some tlc >David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 20:40:42 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:39:49 -0700 Subject: Anyone on San Jose CA? There's reportedly a 510 on a used car lot in San Jose. Anyone in the immediate area of San Carlos that can swing by and tell me if it's a cream puff or a meadow muffin? Write me and I'll send you what I know. DO NOT REPLY, rather use this address: 510@csus.edu Thanks! -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 23:00:29 2000 From: "Roby Ballard" To: "Laury, Victor" , Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:51:40 -0400 Subject: Re: roadster rarity Victor, Saw your reply to Tom and thought I'd join in. In the next four months I'll be making three trips to Japan ( for business ). The longest for four weeks, the shortest for two. If you can give me info on how to contact the SP/SL club, I'd love to do so while I'm there. - Roby Ballard '66 1600 -----Original Message----- From: Laury, Victor To: 'Tomet9@aol.com' Cc: 'datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net' Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: RE: roadster rarity >It's good to have you back Tom. If you get a chance to go over the pacific >again, we'll steer you to the Japanese SP/SL Club. They love meeting >Roadster nuts from the States. > > >The Next event looks to be the Doheny Beach show. This is a big one and much >anticipated every year. If you haven't registered yet, please do so now at >http://www.classicdatsun.com/ . It does not matter the condition of your >roadster. I guess you can tell by now that if there is a reason for us to >get together, we will be there! We SoCalROCers in the north Greg, Roman and >I may be having a tuning tech get together sometime this month, but I'm not >up on the details yet. > >Victor >70 SRL 31113136 >Los Angeles >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 >SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 1 23:13:14 2000 From: "Tom and Melissa Nash" To: "Michael Tarelka" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:17:53 -0700 Subject: Re: 1600 Travels from Denver to Alameda -Arrival - Safe and Sound Michael, I'm glad to hear everything went smoothly. I wish you many fun roadster runs. I'm confident your car will be a nice addition to the BADROC flock. If you have any questions or concerns about the car please don't hesitate to call. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Tarelka To: Tom and Melissa Nash Cc: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 6:53 AM Subject: 1600 Travels from Denver to Alameda -Arrival - Safe and Sound >Tom, > >The Roadster, arrived last night all safe and sound. I had enough time >to wash it, put the top down and go for a little spin, albeit locally, >because of no plates. I had a terrific time. > >The car barely fit on the car carrier and thank goodness the driver knew >what he was doing; the wheelbase was 6 inches narrower than the tracks >on the truck - yipes! > >She started right up and runs fine - the idle is a little high and only >one backfire. I've got to tackle the tach cable problem. > >Thanks again for you help and assistance. > >Sincerely, > >Michael Tarelka >Alameda, CA > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 08:45:33 2000 From: Alan Bent To: Ken Smart Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 00:40:52 +1000 Subject: Re: My employees are brain dead (no Roadster content) I'd like to point out that I don't only hire 18 year old females, I also have a 16 year old female employee too. I probably shouldn't mention this but I used to manage a Domino's Pizza store that had 15 employees, all females and the oldest one was 25. The other managers used to refer to my store as the "smorgasbord". I'll also extend an invitation to all list members to join the Datsun Sports Owners Association on our annual "Big Day Out" run on Saturday 9th of September. We are departing at 8.30am from Sunnybank Hills and will then travel several hundred kilometres on some of the best sports car roads in South East Queensland, finishing at 3pm at my pizza shop in Mapleton. Our usual "Big Day Out" rules apply, Datsun sports cars only (Z free zone) and unless it's snowing, we're going! I expect to see all the Roadster list members there on the day, and don't give me any excuses like "it's too far" or "my steering wheel is on the wrong side". Alan Bent - Flaxton, Queensland, Australia 1966 Fairlady SP311-01060 - * 1965 Silvia CSP311-70231 1966 Fairlady SP311-00925 - * 1964 Fairlady 4-SP310-00134 1964 Fairlady 4-SP310-00134 * 1964 Cedric Wagon 4-WP31-50620 1963 Bluebird P312-3-32984 * 1963 Bluebird P312-3-39741 1963 Cedric G31-3-07024 * 1964 Cedric Wagon 4-WP31-51579 1969 Super Six G130-005415 * Early Datsun Homepage http://www.geocities.com/olddat Nissan Silvia Homepage http://www.angelfire.com/ns/silvia Planet Cedric http://nav.to/planetcedric Ken Smart wrote: > Alan, > Was 18 years old and female one of your selection criteria? > There seems to be a pattern here. :-) > Now I have an excuse for a road trip to Flaxton, I can say I'm just popping > out for a pizza! > > Ken Smart > 67.5 1600(sr20de) > Sydney Australia From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 09:10:29 2000 From: Tomet9@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:09:46 EDT Subject: Mt .Wilson run Hi list, Someone mentioned a run up Angeles National Hywy for this weekend, but I wasn't paying attention. If it's still on for Sunday I'm game. Tom Prather 69/2.0 626 791 0921 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 10:34:55 2000 From: STAN CHERNOFF To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:42:46 -0700 Subject: LABOR DAY PARTS FOR SALE I have the following parts for sale at this time. QUANTITIES ARE LIMITED. CARB TUNE UP KIT for 1600. Includes gaskets, floats and needle/seat replacements to do 2 carburetors. Does not include jet needles or nozzles. Price is $59. CARB TUNE UP KIT for 2000 S-U carb. Includes gaskets, needle and seat and nozzle fuel hose. These are for carbs with hinged plastic floats (67-69,70?). 1 kit per carb. Price is $18 each. FAN SHROUD for 67.5 2000. Powder coated excellent reproduction suitable for a restoration. Price $125. 67.5 2000 FACTORY EXHAUST MANIFOLD. New never used. Price is $300. 2000 CLUTCH KIT. Includes disc, T/O bearing, pilot bushing and Nissan 2000 pressure plate. Great replacement for 1600. Price $145. 1600 3-MAIN CYLINDER BLOCK. New never used, no stamped engine number. Price is $300. 1600 5-main cylinder block. Used but still standard size bores. Free for local pickup. CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER. Aftermarket type fits 1600/2000. Price is $45. FACTORY CAMSHAFT fits 1500/early 1600. New in the box. Price is $220 FACTORY CAMSHAFT fits 1600 late (Metric). New in the box. Price is $220. SIDE MOLDING SET fits 67.5 - 70. Six correct new pieces. Price is $415. HEADER GASKET for 1500/1600 or 2000. Price is $12 for either type. WINDSHIELD WASHER BAG similar to 67.5 with motor/pump and mounting bracket. Price is $17. RADIO ANTENNA. Aftermarket looks like original. Price is $15. WINDOW FUZZIES fit 68-70. Nissan NOS. Price is $52/pair. 1500 REAR CARB. New with linkages for '64. Price is $310. GLASS BOWL FUEL FILTER. New for '63 to early '68. Price is $21. OUTSIDE MIRROR. New Datsun fender mount for 65-67. Price is $53. INSIDE MIRROR. New for 68 to 70, identical to original except plastic is gray. Price is $43. STAINLESS STEEL FENDER SCREWS. Set does both fenders and can be polished. Price is $12 per set. FRONT RUBBER ENGINE MOUNT. New fits 63 to 70. Price is $27 each. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Shipping is not included in prices. Stan Chernoff Torrance, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 12:48:53 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:47:54 EDT Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my apartments!!!!! Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS in the dust (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side fender. Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious shoe tread prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my car?!?!? This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit of a curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door behind you after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed (except ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda been loooong gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english & spanish reading something to the effect of: *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing it... just look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint you'll stick out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you are. There is NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just plain idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money to anyone else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every Roadster owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be taken. Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off into the desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my car, and go pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the Roadster to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up $150K to buy me a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no donations!)**** ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! Laurie 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 13:19:05 2000 From: "Victor Laury" To: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:01:51 -0700 Subject: Mt. Wilson Run Tomorrow After a second though, I think it's better we meet somewhere other than my impossible to find house. So, I consult the venerable Thomas Bros. Map Book. We'll meet on the north east corner of Foothill Blvd. and Angeles Crest Hwy in La Canada at 10:30. I believe there's a shopping center there. We'll leave the 1,000 foot elevation at about 11:15ish and head up to the summit of Mt Wilson at 5,700 feet. I hope some one has a digital camera so we can show the rest of the world one of the best vistas of one of the most beautiful cities. If tomorrow is ANYTHING like today, the view should be awesome! This is not much of a distance really so maybe, while we're in the mountains, we can think of more mischief to commit. I'll have my map book. So far the drivers are Chris Aurit Tom Prather Victor Laury Roman Rist Phil Erickson is saying he may come up, but Phill, that's a mighty long drive! If your coming please email me back so we'll wait for you at base camp. Or Call me today at 323-258-3129. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 13:42:30 2000 From: KWS711@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:41:57 EDT Subject: For Sale Portland Oregonian, Sat 9-2 70 Datsun 1600 roadster conv. Red. Exc mech cond. new brks/clutch/muffler. $4100. 503-786-1037 Open Air Classic 69 Datsun 2000 Roadster. new soft top. collectors condition, a must see at this price. $9600. 503-659-8003 This car was listed 2 weeks ago as: Show-N-Go 69 Datsun 2000 Roadster. Prof'ly redone from ground up. Black w/ red interior. Shown by appt. $12,500. Anyone on the list? If someone is seriously interested, I can try to go take a look. Kim 68 2000 CSP NOWROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 14:53:00 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:52:14 EDT Subject: Coupla' new Roadster Pics I added a few fun pictures today - from a June show in Scottsdale. Steve Hill's car is there along w/some *Datsun Nuts* acting up w/ a wonderful Japanese prop. http://members.aol.com/spl311rdst/datsun/friends.html Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 15:49:59 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:49:22 EDT Subject: I bet you never thought your interior was this big Hello lists The September 'Image of the Month' is a cool artists impression of the interior of a 1965 Fairlady 1500 from a Japanese brochure - has anyone got this much space in theirs? Check out the link to the September Image through the main page, http://www.datsun.org/fairlady. Just added (yet) more great images, a press cutting and further info on the Joe Hauser pages - no doubt there will be more to follow, but in the meantime check out URL:- http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/ColJoeHauser.htm Cheers Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 16:41:28 2000 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:40:35 EDT Subject: S.U. needles Hello all, Decided to try turning my own SU needles. Spent two evenings getting the lathe set up then another turning one needle. Obviously needs some more work on the setup. Burlen wants a minimum order of 25 for custom needles, but the price is right, about 7 pounds each. I'll experiment with custom profiles by turning my own, and if I come up with a really good one I'll get a batch made. Keith Williams From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 17:17:41 2000 From: "Andy Cost" To: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:53:38 -0500 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing the gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These sensors are like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get close enough to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on these alarms so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set it so that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger the siren. I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my apartments!!!!! > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS in the dust > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side fender. > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious shoe tread > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my car?!?!? > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit of a > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door behind you > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed (except > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda been loooong > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english & spanish > reading something to the effect of: > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing it... just > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint you'll stick > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you are. There is > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just plain > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money to anyone > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every Roadster > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be taken. > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off into the > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my car, and go > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the Roadster > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up $150K to buy me > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no donations!)**** > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > > Laurie > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > 69 SRL311 > Chandler, AZ > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 17:56:25 2000 From: philip erickson <69srl311@altavista.com> To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: 2 Sep 2000 16:55:34 -0700 Subject: Too Far? Victor, soulds like challenge to me. Looks like only 8-9 inches on the map. @15 mi/inch thats only 1.5 hours @ 4000 rpm / 80 mph. don't waite for me, but I should make it. I have a friend I should visit is thousand oaks anyway and the run is on the way Besides I just paid my insurance and I pay for 7500 miles per year and I am below that so far this year. Phil Philip Erickson _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 20:26:28 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: robyballard@kih.net Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:24:50 EDT Subject: Re: roadster rarity Hello, I just so happend that the SP/SROC of Japan is having there 25 anniversary in October and there will be a wonderful festival of Roadsters. That would be neat if you were there for that. I have no more info about the festivities, sorry. Michael "Calspeed" Carion BADROC OT: Mr. Ballard... you wouldnt happen to be the same Rob Ballard that worked for Flying Tigers in the early 80's out of SFO... would you? From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 20:31:46 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: ajb@squirrel.com.au, Ken.Smart@tip.csiro.au Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:29:05 EDT Subject: Re: My employees are brain dead (no Roadster content) << I'll also extend an invitation to all list members to join the Datsun Sports Owners Association on our annual "Big Day Out" run on Saturday 9th of September.....Our usual "Big Day Out" rules apply, Datsun sports cars only (Z free zone) and unless it's snowing, we're going! I expect to see all the Roadster list members there on the day, and don't give me any excuses like "it's too far" or "my steering wheel is on the wrong side". >> Well....how I am on the wrong side on the planet? Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 2 20:47:53 2000 From: "jerry gallagher" To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.Team.Net" Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:42:01 -0700 Subject: September Road and Track Has anyone read page 73 of the September Road & Track? From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 05:57:16 2000 From: Steve Harvey To: "Laury, Victor" Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 07:00:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Trailer Hitch Hi Victor, I pull a motorcycle trailer behind my 2000. It's a "Cyclemate" brand that was pulled behind a Honda Goldwing. When I bought the trailer I also got the hardware which I modified to use on the roadster. Drilled holes through the frame and trunk to secure the plate to the car. I cut the hitch off of the Honda arms and welded it to a 3" x 1/4" x 38" steel plate. I mounted the plate to the frame using four 1/2-13 lag bolts. . My trailer only weights 150 lbs and is rated to hold same. I've taken it on many road trips and don't even know the trailers attached. Had to put a fake antenna on the top of the trailer so I can see if I'm still pulling it. I'll be happy to post pics if your interested. Happy roadstering Steve Harvey 68 2000 solex 70 1600 Laury, Victor wrote: > OK! > > Now I'll have a set of race wheels (Thank you) Now I got to schlep then to > the events! I saw a Miata hauling the little 4X3.5 trailer sold at Harbor > Freight with his race wheels, tool box and cooler and thought "That's the > way to Go!" > > I remember someone mentioning they had a hitch for just such a chore. Any > advice? > > Victor A. Laury > Environmental Inspector > Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority > Quality Assurance Department > Environmental Compliance Management > (213) 922-5795 (213) 922-5142 Fax 900 Lyon Street 30-2-1 > Los Angeles, CA 90012-2952 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 05:59:05 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:01:57 -0400 Subject: Sept R&T?????? Jerry, Do I have to run to the news stand this morning, or would you please enlighten us Car & Driver, Motor Trend, Grassroots Motorsports, ZCCD subscribers. I can only assume this must be a Nissan/Renault announcement? Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: jerry gallagher To: datsun-roadsters@autox.Team.Net Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: September Road and Track >Has anyone read page 73 of the September Road & Track? > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 06:36:47 2000 From: "The Belgian Roadster" To: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:40:03 +0200 Subject: Remove body Hi List, As you probably know I removed the engine and gearbox to have both overhault and painted in the original colors. Now, I can't decide if I'm talking of the body or not, for a frame restoration. How many screws are to remove, where are they, what to take care off? Question for the engine overhaul! The engine has already been opened by someone else, but the crankshaft and rod clearance is to high, I'm going to fix that. What I want to know is, how can I see if timing chain problem(to much clearance) has already been done? How far should the upper and lower tensioner come out? Regards, Chris- The Belgian Roadster From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 06:45:15 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:41:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: small world (roadsters wanted) Fred, FWIW I agree with you. These cars are just too damn expensive to start a restoration on a half assed car. Better off buying someone else's restored car and pay up front. BTDT Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: David & Candy Pina Cc: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: Re[2]: small world (roadsters wanted) > I'll do a "drive-by" and scope it out for my co-worker. If it don't run, > that might get the price under $1000! > > I was telling him that paying the big bucks up front is often better > because you get a car that received the "tlc" and will cost less in the > long run than repairing a rust bucket. > > Thanks, Fred - So.SF, CA > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > Subject: Re: small world (roadsters wanted) > > Author: David & Candy Pina > > Date: 9/1/2000 6:24 PM > > > >There is a 69 1600 for sale on Brewster Ave. in Redwood City. I > >think asking $1600, I think worth $1200. Bondo on drivers side door > >and quarter panel. Owner couldn't get it started the day I talked to > >him Needs some tlc > >David Pina > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 07:08:16 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "jerry gallagher" , Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:04:18 -0400 Subject: Re: September Road and Track Yes. ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry gallagher To: datsun-roadsters@autox.Team.Net Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: September Road and Track > Has anyone read page 73 of the September Road & Track? > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 08:10:38 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, jdg1@ix.netcom.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 10:10:05 EDT Subject: Re: September Road and Track Bravo to the big readers on the list!!! ;-> Couldn't resist!!! Sid >From: "datsunmike" >Reply-To: "datsunmike" >To: "jerry gallagher" , >"datsun-roadsters@autox.Team.Net" >Subject: Re: September Road and Track >Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:04:18 -0400 > >Yes. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: jerry gallagher >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.Team.Net >Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 10:42 PM >Subject: September Road and Track > > > > Has anyone read page 73 of the September Road & Track? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 08:37:57 2000 From: R Haug To: The Belgian Roadster , Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 07:34:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Remove body The Belgian Roadster wrote: > Now, I can't decide if I'm talking of the body or not, for a frame > restoration. > How many screws are to remove, where are they, what to take care off? I have removed the body from my car. There are 14 bolts, 7 for each side. First one is at the front corner by the radiator. Second one is back about 50 - 70 cm. Third is on the floor in the foot well near the outside edge of the pedals. Fourth is on the floor at about the end of the seat. Fifth is up in the shelf area behind the seat. Sixth is in the front part of the rear wheel well. Seventh is at the back in the trunk. You will need to remove the hydraulic brake, clutch, and fuel lines. The fuel line will need to be undone both front and rear I believe. The parking brake rod/cable. There is some wiring to undo/remove. Grounds (negative earth?) in the engine bay and the rear wiring. Lifts easily with a cherry picker by yourself. Not sure how many people to lift it. Run a chain to the outer seat belt holes and use a bolt there. Bob, Moscow, Idaho From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 09:18:12 2000 From: "Chris Aurit" To: "Datsun roadster list" Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:17:40 -0700 Subject: Bleeding Brakes Anybody know offhand what the size the brake and clutch bleeder valve is on a 70 1600? I'd like to replace them (brakes and clutch) with speed-bleeders. Are they even available? Thanks, FAUX F50 SPL31129719 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 10:34:52 2000 From: "Victor Laury" To: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:17:16 -0700 Subject: Bay area quake Did all of BADROC decide to start their engines all at once? Hey! stop dancing up there! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 12:48:05 2000 From: "The Belgian Roadster" To: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:49:18 +0200 Subject: Money order Hi List, Need a source to do an international money order. I already tried www.bidpay.com, but they only work with auctions. Want to do it online, because at my bank here in Belgium it's very expensive (about 15US$) and they are not used to it. Any ideas? Chris- the Belgian Roadster From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 13:10:53 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:03:43 -0400 Subject: Disk brakes? What would cause the pads on front disks to wear only at the very inside and outside diameters! Just pulled a set off and the outer 1/4" and inner 1/4" are worn at least 1/8" more than the balance of the disk surface? The only symptom the brakes had was a squeal on corners that was intermittent. Wheel bearings are fine. Paul OROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 13:53:42 2000 From: JeffVH@aol.com To: hoon@pixar.com Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:52:58 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV In a message dated 9/1/00 6:05:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hoon@pixar.com writes: http://www2.odn.ne.jp/~cbe98700/s8s/s8s_tv03.rm <--- realplayer file anyone notice during the video that the red 67.5 2000 with the black stripes appears to have a coil for each spark plug? pause your player at 58.7 seconds and take a look.. For all the talk of ignition systems I've seen on this board, I haven't heard of this way to get a hot spark... From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 13:56:05 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 12:58:07 -0700 Subject: What a dissapointment Victor, Man, you just took your first step! Much better than not even trying! Wasn't it a rush to just get out there and go for it! I've taken last place a few times, even my son beat me in my own car once! But it was so much fun to get out there and DRIVE, pedal to the metal! Next spring I'll be out there again, getting better and having a blast. David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 14:44:44 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: JeffVH@aol.com, hoon@pixar.com Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:44:03 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV In a message dated 09/03/2000 12:55:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JeffVH@aol.com writes: > anyone notice during the video that the red 67.5 2000 with the black > stripes appears to have a coil for each spark plug? pause your player at > 58.7 seconds and take a look.. For all the talk of ignition systems I've > seen > on this board, I haven't heard of this way to get a hot spark... That's actually a pretty common mod in japan for most hi-po cars. There are kits out there to convert your car to a direct fire ignition system. I'm not sure exactly how the pre-manufactured kits do it, but you figure you just gotta find a way to give each coil a signal to fire its cylinder at the right time (could use the distributor for that)... Also check out the huge polished catch can situated right next to the coils in that car's engine bay....! \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 15:15:50 2000 From: "Phyllis Almazan" To: , Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:17:01 -0700 Subject: Re: roadster rarity Hi: The 25th anniversary is scheduled for November 3 & 4th at Gotemba City, at the base of Mt. Fuji. We'll be there! Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 7:24 PM Subject: Re: roadster rarity > Hello, > > I just so happend that the SP/SROC of Japan is having there 25 anniversary in > October and there will be a wonderful festival of Roadsters. That would be > neat if you were there for that. I have no more info about the festivities, > sorry. > > Michael "Calspeed" Carion > BADROC > > OT: Mr. Ballard... you wouldnt happen to be the same Rob Ballard that worked > for Flying Tigers in the early 80's out of SFO... would you? > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 15:16:34 2000 From: HIGHKIX4@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, datsunroadsters@onelist.com Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:16:02 EDT Subject: Dismal Swamp Roadster For all: Some months ago, you may remember me talking about a roadster in some peanut farmers barn, that I wanted to at least look at. Well, a friend of mine, (MG guy, no roadster knowlege), finally got to look at it. Very persnickity old lady owns the farm, dosnt like anyone around. My friend looked at it in the dark, with a flashlight, and said it had a flat dash like mine, but only 3 toggle switches, and a grill with a an emblem in it. It also said 2000 on the side. Holy jesus, I said!! What! he said... I explained (and probably shouldnt have) that its probably a 67.5 2000, the most valuable version..... He wants to work a package deal to clean out the old ladys barn, cause their is some 62 MGA or something in there he is interested in, and I said of course I would be interested in picking up the roadster.... Holy Cow! Just so the list knows, there is no way I have the resources to restore this car like it deserves, so I will sell it if I get it, with the idea to make a few hundred dollars to help in my other projects. They say it has sat there for 18 years with chicken crap all over, we will see.... Best Regards, Jim Chesapeake Va 67 pushrod 2L 5spd 72 510 wagon From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 15:54:25 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , , Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:50:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV No big deal about direct fire ignition. Just check out Electromotive's web site. Has been in use for many years by the folks who used to race 240Zs - Electromotive. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV > In a message dated 09/03/2000 12:55:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > JeffVH@aol.com writes: > > > anyone notice during the video that the red 67.5 2000 with the black > > stripes appears to have a coil for each spark plug? pause your player at > > 58.7 seconds and take a look.. For all the talk of ignition systems I've > > seen > > on this board, I haven't heard of this way to get a hot spark... > > That's actually a pretty common mod in japan for most hi-po cars. There are > kits out there to convert your car to a direct fire ignition system. I'm not > sure exactly how the pre-manufactured kits do it, but you figure you just > gotta find a way to give each coil a signal to fire its cylinder at the right > time (could use the distributor for that)... > Also check out the huge polished catch can situated right next to the coils > in that car's engine bay....! > > \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 16:04:04 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, JeffVH@aol.com, hoon@pixar.com Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:03:32 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV In a message dated 09/03/2000 2:54:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, datsunmike@nyc.rr.com writes: > No big deal about direct fire ignition. Just check out Electromotive's web > site. Has been in use for many years by the folks who used to race 240Zs - > Electromotive. Ah that's true... my only gripe with the electromotive HPV-1 DIS system is that it goes for close to 1000 I think. Granted, you are getting a system that will afford you full control over ignition timing and events... but I think it'd be cool to DIY rig up a direct coil system using just four coils (about 80 bucks) and your dist as a "switch" of some sort to fire them. Hmmm, i've thought about doing something like this on a honda before, but never really put much thought into it....hmmm \/ /\ /\/ <----gonna go learn out more bout how coils work now! :) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 16:24:02 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , , Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:20:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV Van, The $1G kit is for the one that also controls the fuel injectors. The one for the timing only is much less. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV > In a message dated 09/03/2000 2:54:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > datsunmike@nyc.rr.com writes: > > > No big deal about direct fire ignition. Just check out Electromotive's web > > site. Has been in use for many years by the folks who used to race 240Zs - > > Electromotive. > > Ah that's true... my only gripe with the electromotive HPV-1 DIS system is > that it goes for close to 1000 I think. Granted, you are getting a system > that will afford you full control over ignition timing and events... but I > think it'd be cool to DIY rig up a direct coil system using just four coils > (about 80 bucks) and your dist as a "switch" of some sort to fire them. Hmmm, > i've thought about doing something like this on a honda before, but never > really put much thought into it....hmmm > > \/ /\ /\/ <----gonna go learn out more bout how coils work now! :) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 16:29:08 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, JeffVH@aol.com, hoon@pixar.com Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:28:35 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV In a message dated 09/03/2000 3:24:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, datsunmike@nyc.rr.com writes: > The $1G kit is for the one that also controls the fuel injectors. The one > for the timing only is much less. Ah actually I think you are right. the ignition-only system is about 800 bucks or so I think? I guess it depends on the application (4, 6, or 8 banger). I do have a TEC2, but then again, I did buy it used, so it was pretty cheap.. :) \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 17:45:50 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:45:11 PDT Subject: Mt. Wilson Run Hey Roadster Lovers! What a great day for a run! The sun was out but it was not too hot. We had six roadsters show up which was a good turn out for only two days notice. Some familiar faces were there and also some brand new faces. In attendance: Andrew Murphy 70 2000 (New top! Looks awesome!) Victor Laury 70 2000 ( As fast as ever ) Roman Rist 66 1600 (Primer king) Phil Erickson 69 2000 ( Fast and YELLOW ) Chris Aurit 70 1600 (Beautiful car) Tom Prather 70 2000 (Another Beautiful Car) We met at a gas station at the base of Angeles Crest hiway and headed up for some fun twisties. People were very good about pulling over to let us go by and Victor as usual was out front and soon out of sight. At the turn off to Mt. Wilson, we stopped at a parking lot to take a break and shoot the breeze. We all noticed a bright red single seat formula one style car shoot by and commented on it, but didn't think much until a few minutes later. The driver had turned around and come back up the hill to see our roadsters which he had spotted from the road. Into the parking lot comes this single seat race car like none I had ever seen before and Jay Leno gets out. Turns out Jay owned a 1600 at one time and so was very interested in our cars. We were also interested in his and he showed it to us proudly. It is a hand built car appropriatly called a "Rocket". Made in England, it is one of ten in the world and the only one in the U.S.A. It is a tube frame surrounded by fiberglass and has carbon fiber dash and fenders. 143 hp and the car weighs 750 lbs. Jay said nothing on the road could stay with him. We believed it. Jay was a great guy just out enjoying his car as were we. He had a lot of questions about the roadsters. Photos were taken of him, his car, and of us standing around trying to play it cool with him. Pics posted soon. We then went up to Mt. Wilson summit and took the opportunity for photo ops and to enjoy the view. After that, we headed back to main road and turned right and headed further up the mountain to a restaurant where we had lunch. It was a unanimous decision that the food here was much better than the "beef jerky sandwiches" we had on the palomar run. >From there we wound down the mountain and went our separate ways. A great run, a great time and a great experience. Still looking forward to Doheny and seeing all the cars there. See you on the road! Andrew Murphy SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 18:57:55 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Andrew Murphy" , Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:02:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Mt. Wilson Run Andrew Murphy wrote >Hey Roadster Lovers! > >What a great day for a run! The sun was out but it was not too hot. We had >six roadsters show up which was a good turn out for only two days notice. >Some familiar faces were there and also some brand new faces. >snip... Sounds like a great day out! Congrats on the celebrity sighting. Angeles crest is a great road. -Marc T ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 19:10:22 2000 From: Geegc@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:09:40 EDT Subject: Re: Mt. Wilson Run What a great story. Good things come to roadster owners (sometimes). See my next post. Gary C 1966 1600 disabled 1968 2000 solex (still running last time I checked). From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 19:57:15 2000 From: Geegc@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:56:42 EDT Subject: rear axles again Those of you who know me know that I am the proud (excessively say those of you who know me well) original owner of a 1966 1600 and the recent owner of a 1968 solex 2000. About two or three years ago I noticed that one rear wheels was making noise and rubbed on the inner wheel well. Yup, it was a case of bad bearings and axles. So after resort to the list, I was able to get two good used axles (from CDM) and had the bearings redone and axles replaced. My college age son sold his car earlier this year, and asked if he could use the 1966 until he got a new used car. (I think he had the Datsun in mind all along.) Good dad that I am, I said sure, but remember to check the oil, and don't abuse the clutch. He and his gf went up to the San Bernardino mountains this weekend, and on the way home, on the freeway (thankfully not in the mountains), he noticed a wobbling from the rear and smelled smoke. He pulled over, jumped out of the car and saw that the rear tire was on fire! It went out by itself. Since Jay Leno was occupied elsewhere, he called AAA. The preliminary verdict - axles again, and I haven't even seen the car. Sooo, does anyone on the list have good rear axles for sale or barter, and a recommendation for a place to put them in in Los Angeles. CDM is too far to trailer the car. Thanks much. Gary C 1966 axleless 1600 1968 2000 solex From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 20:52:41 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: vlaury@earthlink.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:52:03 EDT Subject: Re: Bay area quake In a message dated 9/3/00 4:36:06 PM !!!First Boot!!!, vlaury@earthlink.net writes: << Did all of BADROC decide to start their engines all at once? >> Hello, Just alittle something of a warning from the BADROC Racing Team to the SoCal'rs. Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 21:16:58 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 03:16:26 GMT Subject: Immobilisers & Mix ups Because I have to park my baby out on the street (until I move at the end of this year), my insurance company wanted me to fit an immobiliser to her. No problem, I think, but I was concerned that some guy would try and drill holes in my precious dashboard... Anyway, I booked my car in: "What sort of car is it?" they asked. "It's a 1968 Datsun 2000 Sports roadster", I replied. I get there a couple of days later - and the guy says, I didn't think they still made Datsuns. "They don't", I said, and showed him the car. He thought it was a 2000 Datsun, not getting the idea that 2000 was an engine size, rather than model year! Ahh, well, seemed amusing at the time. Guess you had to be there 8^) BTW, there are no extra holes in my car, they mounted a little bracket on existing screws, and now my little treasure is (relatively) theft proof. Only cost $165.00, and drops $2000.00 off my excess if she gets stolen. _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 22:41:08 2000 From: Ldino21@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 00:40:22 EDT Subject: Datsuns for Sale 9-3-2000 Just California Here is a list of Roadsters for Sale here in California only, I thought 25 was enough, in the next couple of days I'll try to post the rest of the US. Good Luck Fred we could always use another BADROC member, by the way just got my set of Solexes for my 69 and need to get them put on, maybe at the next BADROC tech check. CLASSIC ROADSTER 1969 DATSUN 2000, roadster convertible, new black paint, all original, 2nd owner, 2 tops, clean interior, spoke chrome rims, bumpers rechromed, could sell for a profet?, must see, $12,500 or best offer 661-296 -3836 DATSUN ROASTER 1966 DATSUN ROASTER, with 85 Mazda rotary engine, 95% restored, 5 speed, new interior, SE whls, like new, $7500 818-985-0611or cel l 323-428-8680 CLASSIC SPORT 1969 DATSUN ROADSTER 1600, convertible black hrd top, red, 4 speed, 4 cylinder, all original, $10,000 make offer '909-873-2954 1970 Datsun 2000 Convertible Hard & Soft top, new rims, tires. 38,000 on rebuilt engine. Smog Exempt. Excellent condition. Well taken care of. Too much to list, a must see. Will trade for newer street bike Mom5150@worldshare.net (661) 947-24 60 $4500 1969 Datsun Roadster 2000 Rebuilt engine has all smog & less than 1000 miles. Transmission rebuilt 3 years prior. Runs cool, body good, needs seatcovers and fix dashboard. Hard top convertable & parts. tom@ainews.com (805) 578-1825 $2300 1969 DATSUN ROASTER parting out, no motor, $5-$200 (619) 443-4157 1965 DATSUN FAIRLADY, rare, nds work, $500 or best offer (626) 454-3517 1969 DATSUN ROADSTER, 2000cc motor, 5 speed, db, 63M original miles, $5500 or best offer (818) 996-5373 DATSUN '70 Roadster 1600, runs great $1600 209-522-8612 The Modesto Bee 1967 Datsun 1600, 200000 Miles, $2,600/OBO Exterior Color - Blue - Metallic Interior Color - Black Description A sporty classic for less than the tires on a Boxster. 1967 Roadster 1600. Convertible with addnl. hardtop. ZIPPY! FUN! Good engine. Needs paint & love. $2600 spiceking (831) 426-5083Santa Cruz, California-San Jose 95060 1966 Datsun 1600, 100000 Miles, $1,800 Firm Exterior Color - Gray Interior Color - Black Description The motor runs very well and is very reliable. It's the R16 short block w/ later head w/o smog equip. the tranny doesn't have 1st gear right now but all of the other gears work fine. i am including a working 4spd tranny with the car (not installed) and a new OEM clutch pack. the body is in good condition as it's never been in any front or rear accidents which is rare for these cars. it's primer grey right now, and just need a little sanding before you can spray paint on it. it doens't have a soft top but comes w/ a rare non-port hole hard top. all of the windows are there and do work. the interior needs to be redone. the seats are fine (no tares) and the carpet is good. otherwise it needs a new dash cap and vinyl kit. the car would make a perfect classic resto. if you would like, you are welcome to come check out the car and take it for a test drive. fast_qwert (510) 334-4255 El Cerrito, California-San Francisco/Oakland 94530 SEE PHOTO http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+A0+R1007472+Q351224582 1969 Datsun Roadster 1600, 1 Miles, $16,500/OBO Exterior Color - Red Interior Color - Black Description restored datsun roadster 0 miles on motor, new in and out, no smog needed, enjoy BULLDOGSFITNESS (619) 501-3007 San Diego, California-San Diego 92115 1969 Datsun Roadster 2000, No Miles, $10,500/OBO Exterior Color - Champagne Interior Color - Black Description Its best just to call or E-mail. In few words, everything under the hood is new motor, trans, carbs. Other new Items include master cylinder brakes tires and many of the rubber fitting around the body. The list goes on and on. Great classic collectible, vary drive-able with a 5th gear and 150 HP. Vary fun car to own, she's really ready to be driven I've invested $8000 to bring herback. + kicken CD player amp and 4 speaker, roll-bar, car cover, and 70's meni lite mags. * "(TRADE FOR 93-95 2 DOOR ACURA LEGEND)" * nnllccss (415) 332-9233 Sauslito, California-San Francisco/Oakland 94965 SEE PHOTO http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+A0+R945813+Q351224582 1970 Datsun Roadster, 100000 Miles, $7,500/OBO Exterior Color - Burgundy/MaroonInterior Color - Black Description Vintage Datsun roadster in good condition. 2000cc U20 Engine (balanced and rebuilt). Dual Solex carburetors. Solex camshaft. Seven (7) quart aluminum oil pan. Soft and Hard Tops. Limited slip rearend. One inch front sway bar. Koni adjustable shocks (front/rear). Lowered two (2) inches. BF Goodrich 195-50-15 tires. Three (3) piece aluminum wheels. Please see additional pictures at: http://member.newsguy.com/~ajohnsto/roadster/ Contact: David Martin Phone: (831) 239-4468 dogbreath14Santa Cruz, California-San Jose 94022 SEE PHOTO http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+A0+R1003537+Q351224582 1969 Datsun Roadster, 10000 Miles, $8,900/OBO Exterior Color - Red Interior Color - Black Description 1969 Datsun 2L(w/Solexes= 150HP) Professionally restored and previously maintained by classic datsun motorsports. Rebuilt engine, transmission, suspension, new carpet and vinyl kits and new seats too! Daily Driver, Fun car! (916) 624-8088 nikalucy (916) 624-8088 Sacramento, California-Sacramento 95765 SEE PHOTO http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+A0+R984154+Q351224582 1969 Datsun Roadster, 999999 Miles, $270/OBO Exterior Color - Red Interior Color - Black Description69 Datsun Roadster $270/offer Parts car; Body mostly OK, engine is frozen. Includes hard top and extra 1600 engine. Must take entire car. Located in San Jose Email for pictures Burich@hooked.net larryjamie (408) 251-5056 San Jose, California-San Jose 95127 1966 DATSUN 1600, CONVERTABLE SOFT TOP NEEDS MINOR WORK MECH. SP. 4 SPEED MANUAL TRANS. RED EXT. BLACK IN. STREIGHT BODY EXC. color: RED/BLACK $2,000.00, (707) 994-8121 Clearlake, CA 1967 1/2 DATSUN ROADSTER, 4 CYL, 4-speed, low miles, must sell, blue with black hard top & interior, looks & runs great, new dash cover, good paint, hard top only, original DATSUN wheels, radio, good tires, $4500 or best offer, email, tabu1852@aol.com, 909-783-1817 Colton, CA SEE PHOTO http:// www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3462590 1969 DATSUN FAIRLADY ROADSTER, 2000 Roadster, needs a little work to get running, never been hit, basically one owner, call for pictures and more info. color: Silver mileage: 88032 $2,500.00, (530) 842-3365 Yreka, CA 1970 DATSUN 1600, New paint, new upholstry, runs great, removable hard top, many extras color: White $6,999.00, (818) 515-0076 Reseda, CA 1967 DATSUN 1600, Datsun Roadster 1600, Cherry Condition, Hard&Soft Tops w/ Tonneau Cover,Heather Metallic w/ matching interior, $8500 obo. color: Heather Metallic $8,500.00, (310) 274-6939 Los Angeles, CA 1969 DATSUN 2000, FAIR LADY, 4 CYL, 5-speed, am/fm cassette, CLASSIC, looks good, runs great, best veh for sunny Southern California, serious calls only, $3900 firm, Jacob, 714-925-2189 Buena Park, CA SEE PHOTO http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3473256 1967 DATSUN ROADSTER, all original, 4 CYL, 4-speed, soft top, center console, 100% complete, even has original radio, stored for years, needs restoration, divorce, must sell, $1600 or best offer, 909-626-8806 Claremon t, CA SEE PHOTO http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3462584 1969 Datsun 1600,This model had a black/white two page spread in 1998 in James Dean's Porsche Magazine with the quote "men drooled, wives were jealous." Rebuilt carbs,new starter, brake work, new convertible top, ring job, and other mechanical work done. Interior very good. Runs like a top. S an Francisco, CA SEE PHOTO http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?120929 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 22:41:48 2000 From: Todd Osborn To: Roadster List Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 00:03:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Direct Fire Ing. (was Rdstr on JTV) Another alternative is to use just two coils, one tied to cylinders 1 & 4, the other tied to cylinders 2 & 3. This is a common set-up on new Fords, one plug fires on at the end of a compression stroke the other fires on the end of an exhaust stroke. No effect with the spark into exhaust, plus easier to throw an arc with the lower chamber pressure. You eliminate the losses from the rotor and cap, plus give the coil long time to "charge" (although not really needed for the peak rpm, our 4-bangers see). Still need to figure out how to trigger the coils, seems simple enough crank angle sensor, FPGA to map timing curve and fire the plugs -- yea right I'm still haven't had time to get the '79 310 electronic dizzy set-up. Todd Osborn 68 2L DATSFUN DemonTSi@aol.com wrote: > > Ah that's true... my only gripe with the electromotive HPV-1 DIS system is > that it goes for close to 1000 I think. Granted, you are getting a system > that will afford you full control over ignition timing and events... but I > think it'd be cool to DIY rig up a direct coil system using just four coils > (about 80 bucks) and your dist as a "switch" of some sort to fire them. Hmmm, > i've thought about doing something like this on a honda before, but never > really put much thought into it....hmmm > > \/ /\ /\/ <----gonna go learn out more bout how coils work now! :) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 23:27:55 2000 From: Tomet9@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 01:27:11 EDT Subject: Mt. Wilson run Hi roadster fans, It was my first run with the SoCalRoc bunch today and what a run. A better day couldn't have been picked. Absolutely gorgeous day for a blast up the twisty's and a little bonus along with it (celebrity sighting) of course he seeked us out for the love of roadsters. Forget the celebrity thing, we were just guys talking cars, doing what we love to do. It was nice meeting all of you Andrew, Phil, Chris, Roman, and of course Victor. By the way Andrew, were the other drivers kindly letting us pass them or was Victor forcing them off the road? Har Har Har! It was a pleasure, looking forward to more. Tom Prather 69 red 2.0 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 3 23:31:57 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 22:36:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Remove body One quick check is to look at the upper timing chain guide and see if the chain has been making contact with it. I have some comparison shots at: http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/Images/Evil_L_3.jpg http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/Images/Evil_L_4.jpg http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/Images/Shimmed_Tensioner.jpg The Belgian Roadster wrote: > Hi List, > As you probably know I removed the engine and gearbox to have both > overhault and painted in the original colors. > Now, I can't decide if I'm talking of the body or not, for a frame > restoration. > How many screws are to remove, where are they, what to take care off? > > Question for the engine overhaul! > The engine has already been opened by someone else, but the crankshaft > and rod clearance is to high, I'm going to fix that. > What I want to know is, how can I see if timing chain problem(to much > clearance) has already been done? How far should the upper and lower > tensioner come out? > > Regards, > Chris- The Belgian Roadster -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 00:19:24 2000 From: "fredkatz" To: , Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:18:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Datsuns for Sale 9-3-2000 Just California Lou, Wow! Choices galore! I know my co-worker Danny called on a few of these, but he wasn't hitting the cream of the bunch. He spent some time this weekend with Mike Young, so Danny ought to have a better understanding of what he wants. I think he's set on getting a 2000. The first one got a chuckle from me - "could sell for a profet?, must see, $12,500 or best offer". I think I'd rather play the stock market! I think Danny understands what it means to be a Datsun fan. You do it for the love of the car and the friends you meet, not to make money. And hopefully you don't lose your shirt on a money pit while trying to get a car rolling. Thanks again for the research, Fred Katz BADROC P.S. visited another Nissan dealorship to pick up some brochures. The salesman thought it was so cool that I drove my '66 roadster, and said he'd prefer it any day over a 300ZX when we mentioned I rarely use the Z. Our roadsters are getting more attention these days! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: Datsuns for Sale 9-3-2000 Just California > Here is a list of Roadsters for Sale here in California only, I thought 25 > was enough, in the next couple of days I'll try to post the rest of the US. > Good Luck Fred we could always use another BADROC member, by the way just got > my set of Solexes for my 69 and need to get them put on, maybe at the next > BADROC tech check. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 06:38:41 2000 From: HIGHKIX4@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, datsunroadsters@onelist.com Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 08:37:48 EDT Subject: New Nissan Dealer, oh well, too bad, soo sad... There is a big new Nissan dealer near my house. Saturday I wheeled in there in the trusty 510 wagon, and went to parts, just to check them out. I started with something simple: "I would like the Nissan Datsun performance catalog please" parts guy says "huh?" "Well, your supposed to have it for 5 bucks" parts guy says "get me a part number" So next I ask if he had microfische or just the computer for parts orders. Just the computer, as I figured. He checked how far back it went, oldest is for some trucks, 1979. So....looks like last place in the tidewater area is the Nissan Dealer in Virginia Beach, they got one guy who still is familier with the old dusty microfische. Of course most stuff is NLA. Makes me very happy we have our vendors out there! Best Regards, Jim Chesapeake Va From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 08:05:10 2000 From: "Graham Evans" To: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:05:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Money order I believe that you can purchase US postal money orders overseas. I received one from someone in Spain a couple of years ago. I'm not sure where he went to buy it though. Graham 68 1600 ----- Original Message ----- From: The Belgian Roadster To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:49 PM Subject: Money order > Hi List, > Need a source to do an international money order. I already tried > www.bidpay.com, but they only work with auctions. > Want to do it online, because at my bank here in Belgium it's very > expensive (about 15US$) and they are not used to it. > Any ideas? > > Chris- the Belgian Roadster > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 08:22:18 2000 From: "Ben Zech" To: Ldino21@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 14:21:47 GMT Subject: Re: Datsuns for Sale 9-3-2000 Just California Man, glad to see that the prices are going up for restored cars.....it's about time. BZ >From: Ldino21@aol.com >Reply-To: Ldino21@aol.com >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >CC: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, fredkatz@2xtreme.net, CalSpeed@aol.com >Subject: Datsuns for Sale 9-3-2000 Just California >Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 00:40:22 EDT > >Here is a list of Roadsters for Sale here in California only, I thought 25 >was enough, in the next couple of days I'll try to post the rest of the US. >Good Luck Fred we could always use another BADROC member, by the way just >got >my set of Solexes for my 69 and need to get them put on, maybe at the next >BADROC tech check. > >CLASSIC ROADSTER 1969 DATSUN 2000, roadster convertible, new black >paint, >all original, 2nd owner, 2 tops, clean interior, spoke chrome rims, >bumpers >rechromed, could sell for a profet?, must see, $12,500 or best offer >661-296 >-3836 > >DATSUN ROASTER 1966 DATSUN ROASTER, with 85 Mazda rotary engine, 95% >restored, 5 speed, new interior, SE whls, like new, $7500 818-985-0611or >cel >l 323-428-8680 > >CLASSIC SPORT 1969 DATSUN ROADSTER 1600, convertible black hrd top, >red, >4 speed, 4 cylinder, all original, $10,000 make offer '909-873-2954 > >1970 Datsun 2000 Convertible Hard & Soft top, new rims, tires. 38,000 on >rebuilt engine. Smog Exempt. Excellent condition. Well taken care of. Too >much to list, a must see. Will trade for newer street bike HREF="mailto:Mom5150@worldshare.net">Mom5150@worldshare.net (661) >947-24 >60 $4500 > >1969 Datsun Roadster 2000 Rebuilt engine has all smog & less than 1000 >miles. Transmission rebuilt 3 years prior. Runs cool, body good, needs >seatcovers and fix dashboard. Hard top convertable & parts. HREF="mailto:tom@ainews.com">tom@ainews.com (805) 578-1825 $2300 > >1969 DATSUN ROASTER parting out, no motor, $5-$200 (619) 443-4157 > >1965 DATSUN FAIRLADY, rare, nds work, $500 or best offer (626) 454-3517 > >1969 DATSUN ROADSTER, 2000cc motor, 5 speed, db, 63M original miles, >$5500 >or best offer (818) 996-5373 > >DATSUN '70 Roadster 1600, runs great $1600 209-522-8612 The Modesto Bee > >1967 Datsun 1600, 200000 Miles, $2,600/OBO Exterior Color - Blue - >Metallic >Interior Color - Black Description A sporty classic for less than the >tires >on a Boxster. 1967 Roadster 1600. Convertible with addnl. hardtop. ZIPPY! >FUN! Good engine. Needs paint & love. $2600 HREF="http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Ad.exe?P1+C14+R982799+Q351224582+ >EmailResponse">spiceking (831) 426-5083Santa Cruz, California-San >Jose >95060 > >1966 Datsun 1600, 100000 Miles, $1,800 Firm Exterior Color - Gray Interior >Color - Black Description The motor runs very well and is very reliable. >It's > the R16 short block w/ later head w/o smog equip. the tranny doesn't >have >1st gear right now but all of the other gears work fine. i am including a >working 4spd tranny with the car (not installed) and a new OEM clutch >pack. >the body is in good condition as it's never been in any front or rear >accidents which is rare for these cars. it's primer grey right now, and >just need a little sanding before you can spray paint on it. it doens't >have a soft top but comes w/ a rare non-port hole hard top. all of the >windows are there and do work. the interior needs to be redone. the seats >are fine (no tares) and the carpet is good. otherwise it needs a new dash >cap and vinyl kit. the car would make a perfect classic resto. if you >would >like, you are welcome to come check out the car and take it for a test >drive. HREF="http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Ad.exe?P1+C14+R1007472+Q351224582 >+EmailResponse">fast_qwert (510) 334-4255 >El Cerrito, California-San Francisco/Oakland 94530 SEE PHOTO >http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+A0+R1007472+Q351224582 > >1969 Datsun Roadster 1600, 1 Miles, $16,500/OBO Exterior Color - Red >Interior >Color - Black Description restored datsun roadster 0 miles on motor, new in >and out, no smog needed, enjoy HREF="http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Ad.exe?P1+C14+R1004081+Q351224582 >+EmailResponse">BULLDOGSFITNESS (619) 501-3007 San Diego, >California-San Diego 92115 > >1969 Datsun Roadster 2000, No Miles, $10,500/OBO Exterior Color - Champagne >Interior Color - Black Description Its best just to call or E-mail. In >few >words, everything under the hood is new motor, trans, carbs. Other new >Items include master cylinder brakes tires and many of the rubber fitting >around the body. The list goes on and on. Great classic collectible, vary >drive-able with a 5th gear and 150 HP. Vary fun car to own, she's really >ready to be driven I've invested $8000 to bring herback. + kicken CD >player >amp and 4 speaker, roll-bar, car cover, and 70's meni lite mags. * >"(TRADE >FOR 93-95 2 DOOR ACURA LEGEND)" * HREF="http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Ad.exe?P1+C14+R945813+Q351224582+ >EmailResponse">nnllccss >(415) 332-9233 Sauslito, California-San Francisco/Oakland 94965 SEE PHOTO >http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+A0+R945813+Q351224582 > >1970 Datsun Roadster, 100000 Miles, $7,500/OBO Exterior Color - >Burgundy/MaroonInterior Color - Black Description Vintage Datsun roadster >in good condition. 2000cc U20 Engine (balanced and rebuilt). Dual Solex >carburetors. Solex camshaft. Seven (7) quart aluminum oil pan. Soft and >Hard Tops. Limited slip rearend. One inch front sway bar. Koni adjustable >shocks (front/rear). Lowered two (2) inches. BF Goodrich 195-50-15 tires. >Three (3) piece aluminum wheels. Please see additional pictures at: >http://member.newsguy.com/~ajohnsto/roadster/ Contact: David Martin >Phone: >(831) 239-4468 HREF="http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Ad.exe?P1+C14+R1003537+Q351224582 >+EmailResponse">dogbreath14Santa Cruz, California-San Jose 94022 SEE >PHOTO >http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+A0+R1003537+Q351224582 > >1969 Datsun Roadster, 10000 Miles, $8,900/OBO Exterior Color - Red >Interior Color - Black Description 1969 Datsun 2L(w/Solexes= 150HP) >Professionally restored and previously maintained by classic datsun >motorsports. Rebuilt engine, transmission, suspension, new carpet and >vinyl >kits and new seats too! Daily Driver, Fun car! (916) 624-8088 HREF="http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Ad.exe?P1+C14+R984154+Q351224582+ >EmailResponse">nikalucy (916) 624-8088 >Sacramento, California-Sacramento 95765 SEE PHOTO >http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+A0+R984154+Q351224582 > >1969 Datsun Roadster, 999999 Miles, $270/OBO Exterior Color - Red >Interior Color - Black Description69 Datsun Roadster $270/offer Parts car; >Body mostly OK, engine is frozen. Includes hard top and extra 1600 >engine. >Must take entire car. Located in San Jose Email for pictures >Burich@hooked.net HREF="http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Ad.exe?P1+C14+R939564+Q351224582+ >EmailResponse">larryjamie >(408) 251-5056 San Jose, California-San Jose 95127 > >1966 DATSUN 1600, CONVERTABLE SOFT TOP NEEDS MINOR WORK MECH. SP. 4 SPEED >MANUAL TRANS. RED EXT. BLACK IN. STREIGHT BODY EXC. color: RED/BLACK >$2,000.00, (707) 994-8121 Clearlake, CA > >1967 1/2 DATSUN ROADSTER, 4 CYL, 4-speed, low miles, must sell, blue with >black hard top & interior, looks & runs great, new dash cover, good >paint, >hard top only, original DATSUN wheels, radio, good tires, $4500 or best >offer, email, tabu1852@aol.com, 909-783-1817 Colton, CA SEE PHOTO >http:// >www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3462590 > >1969 DATSUN FAIRLADY ROADSTER, 2000 Roadster, needs a little work to get >running, never been hit, basically one owner, call for pictures and more >info. color: Silver mileage: 88032 $2,500.00, (530) 842-3365 Yreka, CA > >1970 DATSUN 1600, New paint, new upholstry, runs great, removable hard >top, >many extras color: White $6,999.00, (818) 515-0076 Reseda, CA > >1967 DATSUN 1600, Datsun Roadster 1600, Cherry Condition, Hard&Soft Tops >w/ >Tonneau Cover,Heather Metallic w/ matching interior, $8500 obo. color: >Heather Metallic $8,500.00, (310) 274-6939 Los Angeles, CA SRC="http://images.traderonline.com/img/shim.gif" WIDTH="1" HEIGHT="4" >BORDER="0" DATASIZE="67"> > >1969 DATSUN 2000, FAIR LADY, 4 CYL, 5-speed, am/fm cassette, CLASSIC, >looks >good, runs great, best veh for sunny Southern California, serious calls >only, $3900 firm, Jacob, 714-925-2189 Buena Park, CA SEE PHOTO >http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3473256 > >1967 DATSUN ROADSTER, all original, 4 CYL, 4-speed, soft top, center >console, 100% complete, even has original radio, stored for years, needs >restoration, divorce, must sell, $1600 or best offer, 909-626-8806 >Claremon >t, CA SEE PHOTO >http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3462584 > >1969 Datsun 1600,This model had a black/white two page spread in 1998 in >James Dean's Porsche Magazine with the quote "men drooled, wives were >jealous." Rebuilt carbs,new starter, brake work, new convertible top, >ring >job, and other mechanical work done. Interior very good. Runs like a top. > S >an Francisco, CA >SEE PHOTO http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?120929 > > > > > > > > > > > > HEIGHT="4" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="67"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 09:09:46 2000 From: jschmi7@us.ibm.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:09:29 -0500 Subject: Valve adjustment/noise I have had this problem ever since a rebuild several years ago. If I adjust my valves to proper settings when hot, ie. .008 - in and .012 - ex I get excessive noise from one of my valves. I resorted to using a hose as a stethescope and ran the engin without the valve cover until I pinpointed the noise to, I thought #3 exhause. So I adjusted it tighter until the noise subsided to a reasonable amount. Yesterday I decided it was time to do a complete tuse and readjusted my valves to all proper settings. Again the noise is back. Rather than just adjust the valves to an unacceptably tight setting, I thought I would ask the group if anyone else has had this malady. And, does anyone have any suggestions as to what may be causing the problem. I would really rather not pull the head, at least until the snow flys, but would like to have the use of the car until then, if possible. I have a feeling that it is a miss cut valve(some were replaced at rebuild) or rocker pad worn or sometning like that. Thanks in advance for the help. John Schmitt Telecommuter Office # - 847-458-7829 Internal phonemail only - 847-240-4725 pager pin# 800-759-8888 pin 8710561 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 09:51:36 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, chriss@euregio.net Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:50:39 +0200 Subject: Re: Money order I do this almost every day. Very small amounts like 10 dollars - send cash Up to 1000 dollars - use a credit card >From 100 dollars and up - certified bank check >From 500 dollars and up - bank transfer There's a price for every service and the reciever might have to pay a small amount to cash a certified bank check or a bank transfer. If your bank can't transfer money for you, use another bank or get a Master Card or VISA. Use another retail supplier if: They dont take credit cards (An American adult without a credit card don't exist) They charge you local sales tax They charge you xx dollars for "export documentation" They only have to write a commercial invoice and the shipping waybill to export the parts to you. Make a small order first to see if you get what you pay for. I have been playing this game for 20 years and there are still bad one's that only try to screw you, while others are deadhonest people you can trust. Good luck with the shopping! Thomas in Sweden Graham Evans wrote: > I believe that you can purchase US postal money orders overseas. I received > one from someone in Spain a couple of years ago. I'm not sure where he went > to buy it though. > > Graham > 68 1600 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The Belgian Roadster > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:49 PM > Subject: Money order > > > Hi List, > > Need a source to do an international money order. I already tried > > www.bidpay.com, but they only work with auctions. > > Want to do it online, because at my bank here in Belgium it's very > > expensive (about 15US$) and they are not used to it. > > Any ideas? > > > > Chris- the Belgian Roadster > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 10:37:18 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:36:41 PDT Subject: Mt. Wilson run Pics up! Hello All, I have posted the Mt. Wilson run pics to my photopoint site. Many thanks to Chris Aurit for taking the shots. Some great pics and a shot of Jay Leno showing us his racer. Check it out! Andrew Murphy SoCalROC http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=172261 _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 10:44:04 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:43:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV >In a message dated 09/03/2000 3:24:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >datsunmike@nyc.rr.com writes: > >> The $1G kit is for the one that also controls the fuel injectors. The one >> for the timing only is much less. > >Ah actually I think you are right. the ignition-only system is about 800 >bucks or so I think? I guess it depends on the application (4, 6, or 8 >banger). I do have a TEC2, but then again, I did buy it used, so it was >pretty cheap.. :) I think you'll find the crankfire ignition system going for around $600 for a 4 cylinder. Without looking I remember the coils and control module going for around $475 with the balance being the crank trigger wheel and sensor/pickup. I know a number of folks running this system on some L-4's. It's virtually infinitely adjustable as far as initial and total advance, along with you're being able to adjust the advance curve configuration, and it's dead stable from DC to lightspeed. Actually by the time you buy or rebuild one of the later model magnetic trigger distributors and get it recurved ($125 to $200?) and buy an MSD box ($150?) plus odds and ends, you're getting close enough to the cost of the Electromotive system to give it serious consideration, IMHO. Interesting (I think) side note. We recently picked up as '92 Buick Skylark as a commuter car for me. It has the 3.3 liter V-6 which uses what appears to be the Electromotive multiple coil setup, but with a GM ECM I'm sure. I'd guess they licensed it from Electromotive. I've thought about trying to adapt it for our use, but unless you were lucky and found the Electromotive electronics used, I'd guess it would be more costly and more trouble than just getting the entire Electromotive set up as a package. FWIW, Ron Ronnie Day ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth ------------------ '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 10:44:43 2000 From: "Chris" To: "Datsun roadster list" Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:44:21 -0700 Subject: Before, during and after Recently arrived SoCalROC member's bodywork trials and tribulations. http://people.we.mediaone.net/caurit/roadster FAUX F50 SPL31129719 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 10:56:27 2000 From: "Chris" To: "Datsun roadster list" Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:56:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Before, during and after oops. Mr. technology here forgot part of the address. Should be: http://people.we.mediaone.net/caurit/roadster.htm FAUX F50 SPL31129719 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pam & Paul Bauman To: Chris Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Before, during and after Chris: Your URL appears to be broken. Can't get there from here! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: Datsun roadster list Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: Before, during and after > Recently arrived SoCalROC member's bodywork trials and tribulations. > http://people.we.mediaone.net/caurit/roadster > > FAUX F50 > SPL31129719 > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 11:10:32 2000 From: philip erickson <69srl311@altavista.com> To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: 4 Sep 2000 10:10:01 -0700 Subject: Mt. Wilson Run We all had a good time going up the mountain and I made it home before Monday, actually 11:56 p.m. Only 485 miles / 17 hours total including a trip to Thousand Oaks for dinner with friends. Only problem was a smog air plug I had made out of a VW lug bolt backed out. Fortunately it was wedged between the solex manifold and the heatshield and I had a pair of needle nose pliers and a piece of bailing wire which allowed me to retrieve it without burning all the flesh off my fingers. Hand to let it cool off before I could reinstall. (Tom - maybe this would be a good time to make a more proper fittings.) I was still the first one to the meeting place, but only by a few minutes. Phil Philip Erickson _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 11:22:02 2000 From: "spencer" To: , Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:00:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Valve adjustment/noise Hi John, I'm wondering if you've got a noisy rocker arm? It's bushing could be worn beyond specs and that could certainly cause a rattle. Might check to see if all your rockers are getting enough oil. Wouldn't hurt to squirt a little over their tops to see if anything changes. Did you rotate the pushrods to see if they were straight? I've heard that some folks adjust the valves with the engine running...adjusting up and down, with the feeler guage in place, somewhere between stumbling and rattling. You could pop the rocker assembly off to check for gauling on the valve stem or underside of the rocker itself. I'm eager to see what you find as my 1600 does the same #$%@ thing but, to date, I've been too lazy to do anything about it! Good luck and please let me know what you find out, Mark in Modesto Pale yellow, '67.5 1600 daily driver From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 11:25:22 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Chris" , Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:30:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Before, during and after Chris wrote >Recently arrived SoCalROC member's bodywork trials and tribulations. >http://people.we.mediaone.net/caurit/roadster > >FAUX F50 >SPL31129719 > Very nice sequence, turned out looking great! Say, you don't still have those old truck hubcaps from the "before" pics, by any chance do you? Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 11:27:34 2000 From: Thomas To: Roadster List Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:26:35 +0200 Subject: Re: Roadster on Japanese TV Electromotive uses GM coils for their kits. I had the HPV-1 on my ex-240Z some 10 years ago. Works better than a distributor. HKS also had a similar system. Thomas in Sweden Ronnie Day wrote: > >In a message dated 09/03/2000 3:24:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >datsunmike@nyc.rr.com writes: > > > >> The $1G kit is for the one that also controls the fuel injectors. The one > >> for the timing only is much less. > > > >Ah actually I think you are right. the ignition-only system is about 800 > >bucks or so I think? I guess it depends on the application (4, 6, or 8 > >banger). I do have a TEC2, but then again, I did buy it used, so it was > >pretty cheap.. :) > > I think you'll find the crankfire ignition system going for around $600 > for a 4 cylinder. Without looking I remember the coils and control module > going for around $475 with the balance being the crank trigger wheel and > sensor/pickup. I know a number of folks running this system on some > L-4's. It's virtually infinitely adjustable as far as initial and total > advance, along with you're being able to adjust the advance curve > configuration, and it's dead stable from DC to lightspeed. > > Actually by the time you buy or rebuild one of the later model magnetic > trigger distributors and get it recurved ($125 to $200?) and buy an MSD > box ($150?) plus odds and ends, you're getting close enough to the cost > of the Electromotive system to give it serious consideration, IMHO. > > Interesting (I think) side note. We recently picked up as '92 Buick > Skylark as a commuter car for me. It has the 3.3 liter V-6 which uses > what appears to be the Electromotive multiple coil setup, but with a GM > ECM I'm sure. I'd guess they licensed it from Electromotive. I've thought > about trying to adapt it for our use, but unless you were lucky and found > the Electromotive electronics used, I'd guess it would be more costly and > more trouble than just getting the entire Electromotive set up as a > package. > > FWIW, > Ron > > Ronnie Day > ------------------ > Dallas/Ft. Worth > ------------------ > '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) > '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 11:55:28 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: rulee@cityscape.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:52:06 EDT Subject: Re: BA Parts List moved In a message dated 9/3/00 8:41:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time, rulee@cityscape.net writes: > Laurie, can't find the Beck /Arnley list, is it still up? Yes it is... I had to move it as AOL only has a tiny bit of storage space. For those of you who have bookmarked it, page can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/spl311rdst/parts/ba_partslist.html Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 12:33:23 2000 From: "Henry Bahn" To: rulee@cityscape.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:40:17 -0400 Subject: Sam Turner Sam are you going to the 'Glen? Call or email me - I'd like to pit w/ you - maybe I can learn something! JH Bahn 301 622 1803 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 13:53:20 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 14:52:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Valve adjustment/noise John, This is on a 2000, correct? Mark had a good comment about the 1600 rocker arm & rocker shaft, but my comments are with a 2000 in mind. I suspect the backside of the rocker arm might be making contact with the top of the valve spring retainer. By adjusting the valve clearance tighter, you might actually be leaving the bottom of the rocker in contact with the top of the valve spring retainer. Not good. Ideally the rocker arm should be "level" with respect to the valves and pivot point. On the old Bronze valve seats, I have seen them pound into the head over the years. As it does this, it raises the top of the valve, so you need to keep lowering the valve adjustment pivot. As this occurs, the pivot is lowered to compensate for the valve height. This will leave the rockers away from the idea "level" position, but at a "uphill slope" with regards to the rocker arm. Clearance between the bottom of the rocker arm and top of the valve retainer is reduced. Also when the valve seats are cut, during a valve job, this will also raise the top of the valve. Once again the pivot is lowered, but the rocker arm is now at a little of an "uphill" slope. Has the head been shaved? Typically you want both top and bottom of the head machined if it has, with milling the top you need to install cam tower shims to both adjust the cam height (for the timing chain) and to also raise the cam above the rocker pivots and top of the valve stem pads. Try putting some thick paper between the rocker and top of the valve spring. Turn the engine over by hand to get a full rotation of the camshaft (I just leave it in gear and push the car back and forth). If there is not enough clearance, it will cut the paper when contact was made. Quickest solution is to "grind and polish" the bottom of the rocker arm were it makes contact. Might be other issues, but I would check out the clearance issue first. I have seen different rocker arms over the years, some of which seem to have a thicker casting causing the contact issue. Cheers, Tom Walter '68 2000 - Rodney Austin, TX jschmi7@us.ibm.com wrote: > I have had this problem ever since a rebuild several years ago. If I > adjust my valves to proper settings when hot, ie. .008 - in and .012 - ex > I get excessive noise from one of my valves. I resorted to using a hose as > a stethescope and ran the engin without the valve cover until I pinpointed > the noise to, I thought #3 exhause. So I adjusted it tighter until the > noise subsided to a reasonable amount. > > Yesterday I decided it was time to do a complete tuse and readjusted my > valves to all proper settings. Again the noise is back. Rather than just > adjust the valves to an unacceptably tight setting, I thought I would ask > the group if anyone else has had this malady. And, does anyone have any > suggestions as to what may be causing the problem. > > I would really rather not pull the head, at least until the snow flys, but > would like to have the use of the car until then, if possible. I have a > feeling that it is a miss cut valve(some were replaced at rebuild) or > rocker pad worn or sometning like that. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > John Schmitt Telecommuter Office # - 847-458-7829 > Internal phonemail only - 847-240-4725 pager pin# 800-759-8888 > pin 8710561 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 14:23:40 2000 From: Loiroadster@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:23:12 EDT Subject: 1969 2000 Roadster For Sale For Sale: 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadster, 116,755 miles, fiberglass hardtop, new JC Whitney soft top in box, custom-built rollbar, tow bar, Sanyo auto-reverse cassette tape deck mounted in original vertical position in console, Mikuni Solex carburetors with camshaft, spare damaged aluminum flywheel, 4.88 ratio differential, need lots of TLC, engine is tired, interior needs to be redone (cracked dash & worn seats, carpets missing), needs a paint job. Homeowners association is forcing me to move it out of my backyard, & I don't have the time or funds to restore it. Make reasonable offer. Must dispose of car before 9-28-2000. I also have a 1963 Buick Skylark with a 4 BBL. 215 cu. in. aluminum V8, if anyone is looking for an engine swap. Loir McDaniel Edgewood, Maryland 21040 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 15:58:27 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 16:57:39 -0500 Subject: Fun with changing a starter & my helper Well, Austin has been hitting over a 100F for quite a few days. Today was 107, a little warm for this parts. I pushed Rodney out of the shed to get ready for the annual fall drives, when hopefully it cools down a little. I had put the battery on the charger, looking forward to not worrying about the battery since I put in a Optima Red Top last year. Advantage is the battery does not self discharge, but after a six+ months of sitting I like to make sure it up to full voltage. Glanced at the charge meter to confirm it was sitting at "0 amps" meaning a full charge. Should be charged as I left it on trickle charge for a full week. Once installed, went to hit the ignition key. Heard the after market electric fuel pump start up, and when I tried the starter "clunk" in a soft tone. Darn. Tried checking connections on the starter, but my hands just don't fit down in there! Finally got a jumper wire on it, connected to the battery, and was rewarded with a solid "Thunk!" of the solenoid. Darn. By now, Skate, my 18 month old Border Collie/Rotty mix, decided to see what I am doing. Unlike my older Rotty who just enjoys a quiet day in the shade, Skate has to get into the action of things. I noticed the needled & seats had stuck, spilling fuel from the over flow vents on the rear carb. Easiest to just remove both float tops at the same time, leaving the fuel lines attached. Once the floats are off, figured it was just quicker to remove the rear carb to get at the starter. Got the rear carb off, leaving the choke cable attached, but flipping the carb up and out of the way. By then I realized that is required for the LOW WINDSHIELD car with the triangle plate in place, not on a high windshield car. Darn! I do get fatigued in the heat, but figured at least if I am not using power tools I can not do too much damage to myself. At least it made it much easier to reach the top bolt of the starter. A nice inconvenient 15 mm across the flats, obviously a replacement bolt. Just loosened the top bolt, climbing under the car to attempt to reach the lower bolt. Difficult with my exhaust system, but kept wondering what was going on as I expected a 14 mm head to the bolt, yet looked like 17 mm. Of course Skate was quite happy to have me in the back yard, by the shed, working on the starter. Every time I got up he would try to jump up on the fender to see what I was doing, every time I would climb under the car he was back under it, too. Finally after trying a 15 mm, 16 mm, and 17 mm, I could not get the bolt loose. Seemed to be "about" a 16mm, but loose. Yes, turned out to be a SAE with a 9/16" head. Sigh, how I love previous owners (PO). Even better was the bolt wouldn't turn. Turns out the PO had used a longer bolt than needed, and had DRILLED out the back of the transmission and double nutted the bolt. After much head scratching, I was able to loosen the back nut, then back off the bolt. There wasn't room for the nut next to the transmission, so the PO had ground off the back half to fit. Sheesh, with the amount of time spent on the transmission housing, it would have been simpler to have had a helicoil fitted. Of course with the switching of open end, box end, and ratchets and sockets, it was busy just to get one bolt removed. Skate thought this was great fun, so when I stretched out to reach a wrench he beat me to the wrench, pulling it closer to him. "Gee, can I help, can I help, can I?" I could almost hear Skate. Finally got the starter off, and ALMOST out the hole between the frame and body. The flange was bent up a little, so I was able to straighten with a large Crescent wrench adjusted on the flange and pull it down straight. Back into the cool garage, I cleaned up the layer of grease on the starter. Removed the back cover, after removing two 7/16" headed bolts (yes, remember SOME items still have SAE threads even when attached to a Metric Engine). The brushes looked fine, plenty of life left in them, strong springs holding the brushes against the commutator. Checked the starter with a set of battery cables and remote starter... uh oh, the starter worked just fine! What the heck??? Of course it just didn't seem possible. Went back to check the battery charger, thinking maybe it finally gave up the ghost after 25 years. Well, seems on my boys (or Skate?) had switched the charge voltage to 6V! Arrrrrrrrrgggggg. I just spent three hours being kissed by a dog, on a very hot day, getting a starter out to find the "new" battery was dead. I had thought to check the voltage of the battery, but just didn't check it. I was looking for a proper 10 mm bolt, but to not avail. Ended up reusing the bolt that was there, but made a custom brass nut to replace the double nut that was used previous. Still 9/16", but at least a ratchet can remove it now. It the process of getting the starter back in place, once again crawling under the car, it was getting rather warm. Sweat rolling into my eyes, as Skate was doing his "can I help, can I, can I?" I just had to teasing tell him I could use a drink of water. A few minutes later I thought it was raining, nope Skate dragged the sprinkler over to me. Wonderful dog, but not what I had in mind. Of course all the dirt he had tracked around me was now mud, but he seemed to be saying: "See, much cooler it is with damp dirt on you!". Ugh. At least not all time was wasted. Noticed the heat shield was almost ready to fail. It attaches to the SU manifold with two bolts. The metal around the bolt holes will crack with fatigue after years of use. My fix is simply to add a backing material (thin sheet metal), spot welding it into place. Redrill the two holes, making sure they are accurately placed, and I'm back in business. The heat shield also provides a place for the return springs to attach, and prevents the carb float bowls from overheating. I got the needle & seats of the carbs working fine again with a simple trick. Usually when they stick open it is from the varnish from sitting so long. So I had my fire extinguisher handy, turned on the electric fuel pump, and put a catch can under the float tops. Using my finger to open and close the float level, the old varnish was cleaned off by the fresh gasoline, leaving functional needle & seats once again. Finally got everything hooked up, and took Rodney out for a spin and to fill up the gas tank. Only took three gallons to fill him up, but even with the gas stabilizer in the tank I like to have fresh gas put into the car when it goes out. At least a few minor maintenance items were taken care of, but never had time to install a seat into the car! That was the reason for pulling it out of the shed, and wanting to move it into the garage for a few days... Oh well, maybe it will cool off by December for a nice drive! Cheers, Tom Walter '68 2000 Austin, TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 16:42:03 2000 From: SGHT@aol.com To: hbahn@home.com Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:40:57 EDT Subject: Re: Watkins Glen Henry, I am very sorry to say I will not be at the Glen this year as I will be at a family wedding on Nantucket Island. I love Nantucket, my family, weddings, etc., but on the Glen weekend??? Barry Brown will be there with both of our cars (both are red-white-blue) and #38. I think he will run our new one, but he plans to take both. Jeff Benson (also from Rochester) will be with Barry, with his white 1500 which he runs in the same group. They will be near the garage and tech. center as Barry will also have Brock Yates' Chevy powered Model T "Eliminator," and we have a garage stall for that. (Can't remember the garage number!) You can't miss that car; white-red numbers-#184. Burt Skidmore, from Reno, is driving the Eliminator. Have a great time! I will tell Barry and Jeff to look for you on Wed. or Thurs. You can learn a lot from them as opposed to trying to learn anything from me. I sure have fun though! If you want to talk with Barry, you can reach him at his shop, Riter Vintage Car Care, during the day-716-385-4151. Sam From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 17:22:43 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Thomas Walter" , Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:27:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Fun with changing a starter & my helper Thomas Walter wrote >Well, Austin has been hitting over a 100F for quite a few days. Today >was 107, a little warm for this parts. I pushed Rodney out of the shed >to get ready for the annual fall drives, when hopefully it cools down >a little. Tom, be careful in this heat! don't want you keeling over. Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 18:58:24 2000 From: Russell Southwell To: datsun roadster mailist Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:53:30 -0700 Subject: Slave cyl List, anyone rebuilt a slave cyl lately. backed my 1600 out of the garage, then it wouldn,t shift out of gear, and puddle under car. I thought I had a new one till i checked and PO had robbed the seal and spring. wwent to auto Zone but thie bookks show very little on roadsters and if the book shows part #s the computer doesn't recognize it. But the guy had one kit for a 3/4 cyl piston ,seal ,spring,and boot. I put it in the new cyl and will try it this week. also ordered another kit I've honed an old cyl I had and will try it also. If it works I'll send out thr kit #. Russ Southwell 70 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 19:36:36 2000 From: Mark Dent To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:33:47 -0400 Subject: Watkins Glen I am leaving for Watkins Glen on Friday. Anyone else going? Mark Baltimore 1968 1600 http://www.datsunroadsters.com http://www.roadster.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 20:26:42 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:29:14 -0700 Subject: Vancouver All Datsun Show Anyone from the list going up to Vancouver next weekend for the All Nissan Show and Autocross ? Mike Nowroc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 20:29:30 2000 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:29:16 -0500 Subject: Rear Diff Since it was a long weekend I thought that it would be a good time to change out my leaky differential gasket. I took the driveshaft out, unbolted all the front bolts, and can't get the danged thing off. What's the trick. Do you have to take the axles out? Chris Brucciani 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 21:01:34 2000 From: SRL311KA@aol.com To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:00:45 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Diff Yes, the axle insert into the diff several inches. Bill Kenyon SRL311 KA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 21:55:00 2000 From: "Tom Phelan" To: "Roadster List" Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:52:41 -0400 Subject: Roadster for sale Hi All, Posting this for a Ray Hutchinson, a roadster owner in Hendersonville, NC who is not on the list. He has a '65 1500 with Fairlady badges that needs restoration work for sale along with a '66 1600 parts car. The 1500 is a complete car with solid floor boards, trunk floor, and door posts. Car has had one previous owner who lives in TN. Ray says he has the title. He would like to sell both as a package deal (that's how he got them. He just dosen't need another project) Looking for $700 for the both of them. Call him at 828-684-7768 for more info. Tom P From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 4 23:47:39 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: Roman Rist Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 22:50:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster Tally Roman, Here's two more for you, I think. 1969 SRL311 11352. Located on the lot of Brasil Motors in San Jose, Ca, Light blue rust bucket. Doesn't look like its run for a while. And 69 SPL311 20211, engine 62700 and 76019, parts car in San Jose, may be mine if I can justify it. "Honey, with some of the parts I can register my Datsun so I won't have to drive my gas guzzling truck!, save $20 a week, that $80 a month and.... or go buy another car for several THOUSAND dollars." ;-) David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 00:28:45 2000 From: "Dan Zubkoff" To: casalp@earthlink.net, Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 06:28:18 GMT Subject: Re: small world (roadsters wanted) Funny..... I saw this car as I while driving through the neighborhood today. I had spoken to the PO about this vehicle about 1 year ago. The car looks a bit different than it did 1 year ago. It now is covered in Black/grey primer. Well, when I saw it 1 year ago, it looked like a car out of Austin Powers!!!! It had bright metallic blue paint with white door panels, and plaid (white background w/blue/green/orange pinstripea-like a pinto) seats. Really bad looking. I had left a note on the car to tell the owner about BADROC..A few days later the owner returned my call and told me a little about the car. He had purchased the car from someone in S.F. and that the car had some immediate TLC needed (brakes, I believe). Anyhow, the owner lived in Redwood City in the Marina, and was scheduled to go into surgery, so he wouldn't be able to drive the car for a while. Dan Zubkoff San Mateo, CA >From: David & Candy Pina >Reply-To: David & Candy Pina >To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us >CC: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" >Subject: Re: small world (roadsters wanted) >Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:24:23 -0700 > >There is a 69 1600 for sale on Brewster Ave. in Redwood City. I think >asking $1600, I think worth $1200. Bondo on drivers side door and >quarter panel. Owner couldn't get it started the day I talked to him >Needs some tlc >David Pina > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 03:56:38 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Tom Phelan Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Roadster for sale --- Tom Phelan wrote: > Hi All, > > Posting this for a Ray Hutchinson, a roadster owner in > Hendersonville, NC > who is not on the list. > > He has a '65 1500 with Fairlady badges that needs restoration work > for sale > along with a '66 1600 parts car. The 1500 is a complete car with > solid floor > boards, trunk floor, and door posts. Car has had one previous owner > who > lives in TN. Ray says he has the title. > > He would like to sell both as a package deal (that's how he got them. > He > just dosen't need another project) Looking for $700 for the both of > them. > Call him at 828-684-7768 for more info. somebody buy these cars so we can get them back on the road and in the registry! 700 bucks, cheap! roman > > Tom P > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 06:04:33 2000 From: cbreaul@banet.net To: Mark Dent Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:23:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Watkins Glen Charlie Ellis, Dana Scribner and myself are leaving on Thursday morning. Charlie Breault Mark Dent wrote: > I am leaving for Watkins Glen on Friday. Anyone else going? > Mark > Baltimore > 1968 1600 > http://www.datsunroadsters.com > http://www.roadster.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 07:25:53 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:23:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Slave cyl Russell, Usually I avoid AutoZone parts like the plague. Fine for oil, some tools, and a few misc. things... but the hydraulics I have gotten from them tend to be "made in china". I took apart a non-functional clutch master cylinder and found it was still full of metal shavings! Much simpler to buy the correct, and good quality, item from your favorite roadster vendor. Thankfully the 3/4" bore on the slave cylinder was used by Datsun for years, and is a common item. The cast iron slave cylinder is a nice touch as it can be honed out... something not recommended on aluminum cylinders (like the master & brake). Irony... I had "stock piled" all sort of stuff from the days gone by. I was shocked to discover I am finally out of float cover gaskets. Typically you can easily reuse them, but with the hot sun it dried the gasket out too quickly, leaving them to crumble into dust. Darn! Cheers, Tom Walter Austin, TX. P.S. Correction... yesterday was 110 F in Austin, which is the highest on record. Gee, I only thought it was "just" 107 F. ;-) About 43 C for our Metric friends. [For those not use to Celsius, it is simple... [10 is cold, 20 is nice, 30 is hot] Russell Southwell wrote: > List, anyone rebuilt a slave cyl lately. backed my 1600 out of the > garage, then it wouldn,t shift out of gear, and puddle under car. > I thought I had a new one till i checked and PO had robbed the seal and > spring. > wwent to auto Zone but thie bookks show very little on roadsters and if > the book shows part #s the computer doesn't recognize it. But the guy > had one kit for > a 3/4 cyl piston ,seal ,spring,and boot. I put it in the new cyl and > will try it > this week. also ordered another kit I've honed an old cyl I had and will > try it also. > If it works I'll send out thr kit #. > Russ Southwell 70 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 07:38:09 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "'Andy Cost'" , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:39:45 -0500 Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! Hay all - If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! Phil SEROC -----Original Message----- From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing the gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These sensors are like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get close enough to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on these alarms so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set it so that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger the siren. I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my apartments!!!!! > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS in the dust > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side fender. > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious shoe tread > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my car?!?!? > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit of a > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door behind you > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed (except > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda been loooong > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english & spanish > reading something to the effect of: > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing it... just > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint you'll stick > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you are. There is > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just plain > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money to anyone > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every Roadster > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be taken. > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off into the > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my car, and go > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the Roadster > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up $150K to buy me > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no donations!)**** > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > > Laurie > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > 69 SRL311 > Chandler, AZ > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 08:11:43 2000 From: "Dziuba, Larry" To: "'Hall, Phillip'" , Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:14:42 -0600 Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! It doesn't sound like you are helping by bragging about setting off alarms. If everyone ignores the alarms, then more apathy sets in. What happened to helping out a neighbor. Especially since everyone is supposed to be carrying a cell phone now. It should be like a massive set of extra eyes for the police. Larry in Calgary. -----Original Message----- From: Hall, Phillip [mailto:Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM To: 'Andy Cost'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! Hay all - If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! Phil SEROC -----Original Message----- From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing the gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These sensors are like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get close enough to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on these alarms so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set it so that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger the siren. I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my apartments!!!!! > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS in the dust > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side fender. > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious shoe tread > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my car?!?!? > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit of a > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door behind you > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed (except > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda been loooong > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english & spanish > reading something to the effect of: > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing it... just > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint you'll stick > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you are. There is > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just plain > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money to anyone > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every Roadster > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be taken. > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off into the > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my car, and go > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the Roadster > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up $150K to buy me > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no donations!)**** > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > > Laurie > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > 69 SRL311 > Chandler, AZ > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 08:13:47 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:11:42 -0500 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! Phil, Near my brother's place in San Francisco was a BMW with an alarm always going off. Since parking is at a premium, the owner might have lived 5 blocks away. The alarm was a major annoyance. A neighbor once asked the driver of the vehicle to reset the alarm so it was not so sensitive, and was greeted with a finger salute! A few days later a sign was on the windshield "Dear Thief, Everyone ignores this alarm, just disconnect the battery when you steal the stereo!". Next morning there was a HOLE cut into the hood, to cut the battery cable... yep, stereo was gone, too. I just like putting a club on the steering wheel, and setting the kill switch. When driving the roadster cross country, I would REMOVE the steering wheel and take it in with me at night, leaving the toneau cover over the car. I hate noisy alarms. Tom Walter From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 08:30:09 2000 From: Douglas E Noble To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:14:36 +0000 Subject: Small World, Another Case This is spreading..... I have one of Mark Dent's calenders in my office, and I just put up a JPEG on my computer desktop of my car. So, my office manager walks over because he's reviewing a proposal I'm putting together for him, and the following conversation began: So, you like sportcars. Yes. What do you have on the screen there? Its a Datsun Roadster; its what Datsun made before the Z-Car. They made their racing reputation with them. Oh, I KNOW exactly what it is, let me tell you something about those cars..... (INTERUPTING) Bob, that car is sitting in my driveway, I know about 'em too. You're kidding. No, not at all..... Apparently, he had free use of a sora blue 1967 (1968?) 1600 for a couple of years in college, most fun he ever had in a car. The conversation then turned to to how much I paid, what I got, availability, what he could get, how much a restoration would cost, etc. Could not believe how inexpensive they are, relatively (he thought I paid 3 times what I did). So, now he is planning on how to get this through the household approval system, and thinking about next spring sometime. This is a guy who could buy pretty much what he wanted, Z3, Boxster, E-Type, Miata, NSX whatever; but because of past great experience is thinking of getting a roadster. I think he's really enthusiastic because roadsters are fun, reliable, and here on the East Coast, rare (a little bit of cachet, you know). I keep the list informed on the latest potential convert. This could be fun. Doug Noble Vienna, Virginia SPL311-25006 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 09:10:51 2000 From: Thomas To: "Dziuba, Larry" , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:09:19 +0200 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! If it's protected by Smith & Wesson nobody will mess with it. Anyway, it's difficult to stop somebody from taking off with your car stereo. I have a Sony that I can take the front panel with me and I have an electronic immobilizer to stop anyone to drive off with my car(s). I have 3 different lock bolts on every wheel. I'm already paying too much for insurance. Thomas In Sweden Dziuba, Larry schreib: > It doesn't sound like you are helping by bragging about setting off alarms. > If everyone ignores the alarms, then more apathy sets in. What happened to > helping out a neighbor. Especially since everyone is supposed to be > carrying a cell phone now. It should be like a massive set of extra eyes > for the police. Larry in Calgary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hall, Phillip [mailto:Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM > To: 'Andy Cost'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! > > Hay all - > > If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very > expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a > parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car > during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash > and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling > the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they > are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in > my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! > > Phil > SEROC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! > > A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing > the > gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These > sensors are > like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get > close enough > to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on > these alarms > so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set > it so > that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger > the siren. > I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo > bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM > Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > > > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my > apartments!!!!! > > > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS > in the > dust > > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side > fender. > > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > > > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious > shoe > tread > > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my > car?!?!? > > > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit > of a > > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door > behind > you > > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed > (except > > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda > been > loooong > > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > > > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english > & > spanish > > reading something to the effect of: > > > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing > it... > just > > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint > you'll > stick > > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you > are. There > is > > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just > plain > > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money > to > anyone > > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every > Roadster > > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be > taken. > > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off > into the > > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my > car, and > go > > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > > > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the > Roadster > > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up > $150K to buy > me > > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no > donations!)**** > > > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > > > > Laurie > > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > > 69 SRL311 > > Chandler, AZ > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 09:18:00 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:17:14 +0000 Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! I guess you didn't read the last sentence of my message. I could hear the alarm on my cars from inside my apartment when I lived in one, and can hear it at work also. There are alarms with pagers that work for several miles, and the sensitivity can be set to keep alarms from false triggering.(also in my post) If someone wanted the stereo or to steal the car it would have been gone a long time ago. You are correct that alarms do not prevent theft. They do promote stealing your neighbors car that has no alarm instead. Andy > Hay all - > > If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very > expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a > parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car > during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash > and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling > the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they > are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in > my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! > > Phil > SEROC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! > > A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing > the > gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These > sensors are > like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get > close enough > to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on > these alarms > so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set > it so > that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger > the siren. > I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo > bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM > Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > > > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my > apartments!!!!! > > > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS > in the > dust > > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side > fender. > > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > > > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious > shoe > tread > > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my > car?!?!? > > > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit > of a > > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door > behind > you > > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed > (except > > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda > been > loooong > > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > > > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english > & > spanish > > reading something to the effect of: > > > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing > it... > just > > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint > you'll > stick > > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you > are. There > is > > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just > plain > > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money > to > anyone > > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every > Roadster > > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be > taken. > > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off > into the > > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my > car, and > go > > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > > > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the > Roadster > > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up > $150K to buy > me > > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no > donations!)**** > > > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > > > > Laurie > > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > > 69 SRL311 > > Chandler, AZ > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 09:20:02 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:21:25 -0500 Subject: Roadsteritis is spreading Roadsteritis is spreading across the country! My brother called last night and said he wants a Roadster - maybe two. He lives in Atlanta and has a '69 that was beat with a baseball bat (don't have your Roadster close when you evict a tenant) and now wants another Roadster for a daily driver. He will use his '69 as a parts car. He would like to find a high windshield 2000 within 500 miles of Atlanta and will spend about $5000.00. He would like to buy one from a true Roadster nut like us - he feels he could trust us more. If you all have any leads to a 2000 in the SE let me know. He is also wanting to get Atlanta area SEROC rallies going - Chris you will need to get together with him. Hope everyone had a good Roadstering weekend:-) Phil SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 10:37:14 2000 From: "Geoff Rainville" To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:32:44 -0600 Subject: alternators, cables and batteries, oh my. My plan was to drive the '66 1600 for the rest of the nice weather and then work on it this winter. But it died, so I've accelerated the time line here. Or, at least, will have if I can get some advice from you wise sages of Roadster repair. -Alternator: the wiring pigtail that goes to the voltage regulator has a wire completely worn through. Do I need a new alternator, or can that wiring be replaced? If a new alternator, can I find one that pops right in, or am I doomed to rewiring? -Cables: One of the choke cables has broken (aha...those rough cold starts...this could be a clue). What's the recommendation on that? The hood release cable is about to go as well, which means that the only way to get the hood open will be to drive over the railroad tracks, which actually seems to work well. -Battery tray: The dead, old, rebuilt, too large battery from the PO was sitting on what seems to have been a cut-up plastic dustpan (yeah, really), and was held in place with a bungee cord (see alternator, worn wires, above). I'm going to replace with a Miata-spec battery, and have found the tie-down clamps, but no tray. Is there a suggestion for that? Thanks in advance for the advice! --Geoff "no honey, you can put your car back in the garage soon, trust me" Rainville From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 10:46:46 2000 From: Douglas E Noble To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:27:53 +0000 Subject: For those NOT going to the Glen [Sept. 9th MADROC] To the List, For those MADROC folks who are NOT going to Watkins Glen.... ______________________________________________________________________ The 7th Annual Gathering of Z Faithful Eastern Regional Z-Car and Roadster Show (a.k.a. the ZCCNV Annual Car Show) will take place on Saturday, September 9, 2000, so get your car shined up! These events are really fun and this one is really pretty easy since we are, once again, doing our show as a part of the Lions Club Auto Show at the Laurel Thoroughbred Track in Laurel, MD. They take care of the lot, provide food and entertainment, award trophies, and generally do the hard work. We had a really terrific show last year (check out the photos from last year's show) and plan to do even better this year. Mark the date on your calendar NOW!! Registration 8:00am to 12:00noon Directions: 22 miles from Washington or Baltimore on Route 198 in Laurel, MD. 3 miles off I-95 (Exit 33A); 1 mile off I-295 (Baltimore Washington Parkway)(Exit Rt. 198/Laurel). ______________________________________________________________________ I talked to Mike Bell the ZCCNV (Z-Car Club of Northern Virginia) President about the show and roadsters etc. Apparently, two years ago the show was changed to this weekend to be part of the Lion Club show and the roadsters disappeared. Well, they didn't know about the Glen roadster weekend [now they do]. Hopefully next year the two events won't coincide. I'll be going (10:30am ish), so hopefully other roadster owners who don't have long distance plans will join me. Don't want to be the only one there. By the way, Mike Bell just bought a white w/ red interior 1968 1600 for a steal that he will be restoring (from my neighbors son, a long story for another time). If he does anything like his 240Z, it will be very nice when done. I gave him the info on the list and various sites and vendors. So, another one to welcome to the fold. Safe journeys to those traveling to the Glen Take care, Doug Noble Vienna, Virginia SPL311-25006 P.S. MADROCer's keep Sunday October 1 open, SVRA Vintage Races at Summit Point. I'm working with Mark Dent and the ZCCNV to coordinate a run to the track, probably meeting somewhere in Tysons Corner, Virginia. Will post to the list when finalized. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 10:50:04 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Roadster list" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:54:48 -0500 Subject: Red-line gear oil List, Where does one get Red Line lubricants? Is it a mail order item, or readily available? -Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 11:01:22 2000 From: Geegc@aol.com To: grainville@ecrix.com Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:00:27 EDT Subject: Re: alternators, cables and batteries, oh my. Battery -- The tiny Miata spec battery that I just bought (Wesco battery? in Anaheim, CA on the internet) is very very light and is sealed so I cut some black rubber floor mat material to fit and used that to keep it from slipping around. Worked well, but the smallest commercial tray should also work. Don't buy anything until you get the battery! For cables, try a bike store, they are easy to get and fabricate and not too expensive. Good luck Gary C 1966 1600 1968 2000 solex From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 11:16:44 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'Marc Tyler'" , Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:15:52 -0700 Subject: RE: Red-line gear oil >Where does one get Red Line lubricants? Is it a mail order item, or readily available? -Marc T. I bought Redline MTL and ShockProof heavy from my local speed shop. At $7.00 a quart, you'd think I had won the lottery Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 11:18:58 2000 From: "Brian St. Jacques" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:17:11 -0700 Subject: Buy good parts!! Al little OT, but about 2 years ago I was doing and engine swap/conversion on my Toyota 4X. I had a nice clutch on order, but unfortunately it did not arrive before I was ready to stab the engine, so I ran down to the Napa store and picked up a kit to throw in. Recently, the clutch stopped disengaging, so after replacing all of the hydraulics to no avail, I had to pull things apart to see what was going on. To my surprise, more than 3/4 of the fingers the throw out bearing pushes on were busted off. I got a nice new unit from the dealer and I am once again back on the road.... ........but learn from my haste and impatience- buy good, quality parts from the get go. It will save a lot of headaches down the road. Brian '68 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 11:28:13 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" , Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:26:33 -0700 Subject: Re: alternators, cables and batteries, oh my. Geoff, My plan was to drive and work on it this summer (at least got to drive it). You should be able to take care of all your problem items. 1) alternator wiring: wiring can be replaced, with a few inexpensive tools like a wiring repair kit (about $20) and a soldering gun (if necessary, and use hi-temp solder). 2) cables: you can buy bicycle cable at a bike store, and make new choke cables. That's what I did, cost about $10. 3) battery hold-down: never use bungee cords. My '70 engine bay got really messed up from a battery spill. Although my spill was from forgetting to bolt down the battery, the effect is the same if a bungee cord were to snap. You should be able to find a tray somewhere, or get one from our dealers. Fred - So.SF BADROC ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: alternators, cables and batteries, oh my. >Author: "Geoff Rainville" >Date: 9/5/2000 10:32 AM > >My plan was to drive the '66 1600 for the rest of the nice weather and then >work on it this winter. >But it died, so I've accelerated the time line here. Or, at least, will have >if I can get some advice from you wise sages of Roadster repair. > >-Alternator: the wiring pigtail that goes to the voltage regulator has a >wire completely worn through. Do I need a new alternator, or can that >wiring be replaced? If a new alternator, can I find one that pops right in, >or am I doomed to rewiring? > >-Cables: One of the choke cables has broken (aha...those rough cold >starts...this could be a clue). What's the recommendation on that? The hood >release cable is about to go as well, which means that the only way to get >the hood open will be to drive over the railroad tracks, which actually >seems to work well. > >-Battery tray: The dead, old, rebuilt, too large battery from the PO was >sitting on what seems to have been a cut-up plastic dustpan (yeah, >really), and was held in place with a bungee cord (see alternator, worn >wires, above). I'm going to replace with a Miata-spec battery, and have >found the tie-down clamps, but no tray. Is there a suggestion for that? > >Thanks in advance for the advice! > >--Geoff "no honey, you can put your car back in the garage soon, trust me" >Rainville > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 11:45:02 2000 From: "Tom Phelan" To: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:42:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Watkins Glen Will see you there. I'm leaving Thrusday in the PM but won't roll in until Friday. Tom >Charlie Ellis, Dana Scribner and myself are leaving on Thursday morning. > >Charlie Breault > >Mark Dent wrote: > >> I am leaving for Watkins Glen on Friday. Anyone else going? >> Mark >> Baltimore >> 1968 1600 >> http://www.datsunroadsters.com >> http://www.roadster.org > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 12:24:40 2000 From: "Henry Bahn" To: "Tom Phelan" , Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:31:08 -0400 Subject: Watkins Glen We're expecting at least 4, maybe 5 roadsters to race at the 'Glen - 1 1500, 2 1600, 1 2000. Anybody know of a last minute motel vacancy?? JH Bahn From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 12:48:33 2000 From: Robert.Long@CSDInc.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:52:50 -0600 Subject: OT - 510 Appreciation List, I went down to the SCCA RGR AutoX this weekend here in Albuquerque (as a spectator, my tranny is still at the shop). Datsun was represented by a 69 1600, a 240Z, and a 510. I've never really paid much attention to 510s, but after this weekend I have a new found apprecation. He was good, smooth, & fast. His valve cover said Datsun 1600 OHC. I went to watch cause I'm interested in joining in at a later point in time. One thing I noticed right off, everyone had racing tires. My little street tires & stock wheels ain't going to hack it. Later...Robert - 67.5 1600 - Abq From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 13:03:19 2000 From: "Les/Dennis@CDM" To: Marc Tyler Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:49:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Red-line gear oil Marc, Give Dave Turner Motorsports a call at 800 854-6640 and ask for Steve and tell him Dennis sent you. He will take good care of you. Dennis Les Cannaday Dennis Currington Classic Datsun Motorsports 345 Olive Ave Vista, CA 92083 (760) 940-6365 Voice/Fax classicdatsun.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Tyler" To: "Roadster list" Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: Red-line gear oil > > List, > Where does one get Red Line lubricants? Is it a mail order item, or > readily available? > > -Marc T. > > ========================================================================== > Marc Tyler > TDROC > 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 > 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) > http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html > Sisterdale TX > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 13:17:17 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: Robert.Long@CSDInc.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:15:40 PDT Subject: Re: OT - 510 Appreciation I learned repsect for 510s on the All Datsun Palomar run. I chased a BRE 510 up Mt. Palomar and the guy's car was awesome through the corners. They have that independent suspension we just can't hang with. This car had an FJ20 conversion in it. Pretty awesome. As far as racing tires are concerned, just ask Vic Laury how much of a difference they make. Andrew Murphy SoCalROC >From: Robert.Long@CSDInc.com >Reply-To: Robert.Long@CSDInc.com >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: OT - 510 Appreciation >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:52:50 -0600 > >List, > >I went down to the SCCA RGR AutoX this weekend here in Albuquerque (as a >spectator, my tranny is still at the shop). > >Datsun was represented by a 69 1600, a 240Z, and a 510. I've never really >paid much attention to 510s, but after this weekend I have a new found >apprecation. He was good, smooth, & fast. His valve cover said Datsun >1600 >OHC. > >I went to watch cause I'm interested in joining in at a later point in >time. >One thing I noticed right off, everyone had racing tires. My little street >tires & stock wheels ain't going to hack it. > >Later...Robert - 67.5 1600 - Abq _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 14:10:08 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:07:52 PDT Subject: O.T.- The gap between buying and selling List, Many of you know I have had my eye on a three seater for a while now. Thought I had found a good candidate very near to where I live. A 64 1500 listed on Yahoo auctions. Many list members pointed the car out to me and I immediatly had a look. Car looked pretty good. Dent in passenger door. Looks like it has been in the weather for a while. Broken spark plug at base. Not running. Needs work. The auction had a start price of 2590.00. I thought this was a tad high for a car that needed work and wasn't running, so I contacted the owner to see about coming to look at the car. Guy writes back and says he is a professional car broker doing his neighbor a favor in helping him to sell the car. Apparently the neighbor isn't looking too favorably on taking any offers. Wants his price and that is that. Now we have gone over and over and over about the price of these cars. We know one of the primary factors is condition, condition, and condition. This guy wants almost 2600.00 for a non-running, been-in-the-weather-forever car without anyone looking at it or inspecting it? I don't get it. I know if we are selling we want the most money we can get, but where is the line drawn? This guy can offer the car for sale at that price all he wants. I don't think he is going to get any takers. I had planned to offer 1500.00 for the car. A fair price for a non-running car that needs work. Am I crazy or just frustrated? Andrew Murphy SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 14:55:16 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:51:38 -0700 Subject: Painted my engine and related parts I painted the engine block this past weekend. I think I got the original color matched very close. Dodge Viper Red. Is that right? ;-D Just kidding. Well it is red though. I painted many of the brackets too. I bought a HVLP gun to do the spraying and it works pretty good for these components. I will work at putting the engine back together and then hook the trany up. I will put it on the chassis hopefully today. This gets me one more step closer to completion. Now if I could just find a place to put the chassis while I work on the body. Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 15:03:15 2000 From: Sexmnypwr@aol.com To: , Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:01:11 EDT Subject: Re: OT - 510 Appreciation After building 3 510's in the past, they are as much fun as Roadster's and 240Z's. The great thing about the 510 is it's lightweight, great handling and very predictable 4 wheel slide. I could drive the things practically sideways. 510's are the way I got into Datsuns back when I was 15, my first introduction to working on cars (poor guinea pig that first 510 was). There aren't too many of them left nowadays though... Stan Wada From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 15:31:35 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:30:11 EDT Subject: Re: website - future updates + brake hoses? In a message dated 9/5/00 3:57:40 AM GMT Daylight Time, mlr@cgate.net writes: << Rob: Very nice photos of the months (all of them). Until recently I had not taken the time to fully explore your web site except rather briefly. I just spent the last three hours there. It is spectacular -- you have obviously devoted a lot of time and effort to it. The pictures, historical aspects, and everything else are very interesting. Anybody who has a Roadster really needs to check this site out. Mike R. >> Hi Mike Many thanks for your comments which are very much appreciated and, like I say to others, it's the feedback that makes it all worthwhile - the website is now very much a labour of love and occasionally I must say I can lose sight of the cars themselves - it can be quite refreshing to wander into the garage when the weather has been particularly poor, look at the cars sitting pretty side by side and think 'So this is what it's all about!!' Whilst writing, if there's anything you (or anyone else) would like to see on the site please let me know. I'm currently incorporating a full index to all key pages which will hopefully assist navigation and, since I last updated the pages (just two days ago?), Joe Hauser has written an excellent piece on his race preparation of the 3 and 5 bearing 1600 motor for the site - it will be up there when I've received some further advice from Joe on his chassis preparation and yet more pics of Joe head to head against other roadster racers Sam Armour, Ernie de Jacomo and Al James. The SCCA should also be helping out in a big way in the coming month or so. BTW - having a real problem finding a pair of brake hoses for my 2000 - the complete Lockheed parts book in the UK doesn't come up with anything within 1" shorter/longer - I'd normally try the vendors but as I'm writing this, any ideas?? Regards Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 15:48:11 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:47:37 PDT Subject: People do think I am crazy.... Hey List, Wow. Quite a response to my post about buying and selling. Money does seem to get the list talking... One person commented that I already own two cars and why do I need another? Well, first off I really own just my 67 2000 Solex. The 70 2000 in my stable was originally going to be my daily driver while my 67 was going to be redone, but my girlfriend got the bug and is going to "buy me out" of the 70 2000. She wants one of her own. Can you blame her? Also, after much consideration and bullying from friends and vendors, I have decided to do a full restoration on my 67 2000 solex. So I want a car to have so I can drive it while my solex is gone. I would like it to be a three seater. Next to the 67 2000, it is my favorite car of all the roadsters. It is amazing how many people are posting about wanting a car or are asking the list to help friends, family or acquaintances buy cars. No wonder the asking prices are going up! We seem to be enjoying an influx of interest. So never fear folks, I will get my three seater. It may take time and it will certainly take money, but in the end I am going to have someone drive me around in my 63 or 64 so I can see what it is like to sit in that really cool third seat. Andrew Murphy 67 2000 Solex 70 2000 (Soon to be liz's all by herself) SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 16:14:06 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:13:26 PDT Subject: A humbling experience All, Right after I got done whining about this guy wanting too much money for his car, I get an email from a nice lady in Cameron, WI saying thank you for posting pics of the Mt. Wilson Run on my photopoint site. She had an amazing roadster story of generosity to tell me that made me ashamed of my histrionics over this 64 1500. Turns out she celebrated her 50th birthday last spring. A cousin drove a 69 2000 all the way from Deleware to Cameron, Wiscon AND GAVE IT TO HER AS A BIRTHDAY PRESENT. She sent me pics of the car. Needs some work, but is a runner and she loves it. Anyone in the Wisconsin area please contact her and make her feel welcome! Makes me feel stupid moaning about money when there is such generosity in the world. Andrew Murphy SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 17:04:29 2000 From: Gary Boone To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:05:44 -0600 Subject: SCCA Solo 2 National Championship I just perused the entry list for next week's SCCA Solo 2 National Championship event. With the exception of Leisure Suit Terry (since he's already posted his intent to go), I was rather surprised to see 4 SRL drivers entered in CSP. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a showing of Datsun roadsters at the National Championship since 1996. It's good to see the Datsun roadsters back in the line up. Best of luck to all of them. The SRL's entered include: 1. Steve Nelson from Albuquerque, NM, '70 SRL (I met Steve at the Denver SCCA National Tour in '98 when he ran CS. Are you on this list, Steve?) 2. (Leisure Suit) Terry Cost from Temple, Texas, '68 SRL 3&4. Bill and Elliott Harvey from Florida. 67.5 SRL. Elliott is a 5 time national champion in CSP with his '67.5 2000. Championship years were '87, '88, '91, '93, and '96. I'm anxious to see how these guys do. Wish I could be there running with them. CSP runs next Thursday, 9/14, and Friday, 9/15. The results can be found at http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/index.html after the event. Good luck and take some trophies home!!!!!!!!! Gary Boone '70 SRL311 CSP Cheyenne, WY From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 17:12:37 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "R Haug" , Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:17:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Painted my engine and related parts R Haug wrote >I painted the engine block this past weekend. I think I got the >original color matched very close. Dodge Viper Red. Is that right? >;-D Just kidding. Well it is red though. I painted many of the >brackets too. I bought a HVLP gun to do the spraying and it works >pretty good for these components. >I will work at putting the engine back together and then hook the trany >up. I will put it on the chassis hopefully today. This gets me one >more step closer to completion. Now if I could just find a place to put >the chassis while I work on the body. >Bob > Does your HVLP unit work with a standard compressor, or did you get the air turbine type? Marc T. (with his nose in a restoration book) ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 17:16:02 2000 From: "Dziuba, Larry" To: "'R Haug'" , Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:19:10 -0600 Subject: RE: Body - how to remove from frame I am also getting to that point of removal. Someone warned me about supporting the body if the doors are removed. Should I screw some support bar from front to back of the door opening? Larry in Calgary. -----Original Message----- From: R Haug [mailto:haugchiro@moscow.com] Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:34 AM To: The Belgian Roadster; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Body - how to remove from frame The Belgian Roadster wrote: > Now, I can't decide if I'm talking of the body or not, for a frame > restoration. > How many screws are to remove, where are they, what to take care off? I have removed the body from my car. There are 14 bolts, 7 for each side. First one is at the front corner by the radiator. Second one is back about 50 - 70 cm. Third is on the floor in the foot well near the outside edge of the pedals. Fourth is on the floor at about the end of the seat. Fifth is up in the shelf area behind the seat. Sixth is in the front part of the rear wheel well. Seventh is at the back in the trunk. You will need to remove the hydraulic brake, clutch, and fuel lines. The fuel line will need to be undone both front and rear I believe. The parking brake rod/cable. There is some wiring to undo/remove. Grounds (negative earth?) in the engine bay and the rear wiring. Lifts easily with a cherry picker by yourself. Not sure how many people to lift it. Run a chain to the outer seat belt holes and use a bolt there. Bob, Moscow, Idaho From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 17:34:20 2000 From: Mark Dent To: Marc Tyler , Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:30:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Red-line gear oil At 11:54 AM 9/5/00 -0500, Marc Tyler wrote: > >List, > Where does one get Red Line lubricants? Is it a mail order item, or >readily available? Usually Mail order, Their web site list locations of stores. I am luck enough to have one a mile away! if you really need something I can get it and ship it to you Mark Baltimore 1968 1600 http://www.datsunroadsters.com http://www.roadster.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 18:02:59 2000 From: Thomas To: fred , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:55:32 +0200 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! Any city you can find on the map is like this today. Stealing something is almost legal and the cops only chase people driving a little too fast. They picked up a guy here locally who had stolen and stipped over 50 cars in 3 months. He got 3 months behind bars. If the wheels are worth more that US$100.-/each the insurance company require lockbolts to replace them. All cars made from 1995 must have immobilizer and all "collectible" cars must have etched license plate numbers on all windows. A car is given a license number that stays with the car through out it's life so they dont change plates with a new owner. Up to the mid-80's things were quiet here but auto theft have increased some 1000% since then. "I guess we dont live in Kansas anymore" We're better off than in Russia where the police found some 20 dead people in basement of a service garage. They were customers who had dropped off their cars for service and when they came back to pick up their cars they were taken downstairs and shot. Their cars were already with another owner. Have a good night sleep and dont get any bad dreams. Thomas fred wrote: > Where in Sweden ? > > Thomas wrote: > > > If it's protected by Smith & Wesson nobody will mess with it. > > Anyway, it's difficult to stop somebody from taking off with > > your car stereo. I have a Sony that I can take the front > > panel with me and I have an electronic immobilizer to stop > > anyone to drive off with my car(s). I have 3 different lock > > bolts on every wheel. I'm already paying too much for insurance. > > > > Thomas > > In Sweden > > > > Dziuba, Larry schreib: > > > > > It doesn't sound like you are helping by bragging about setting off alarms. > > > If everyone ignores the alarms, then more apathy sets in. What happened to > > > helping out a neighbor. Especially since everyone is supposed to be > > > carrying a cell phone now. It should be like a massive set of extra eyes > > > for the police. Larry in Calgary. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Hall, Phillip [mailto:Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM > > > To: 'Andy Cost'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > > Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > > Hay all - > > > > > > If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very > > > expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a > > > parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car > > > during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash > > > and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling > > > the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they > > > are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in > > > my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! > > > > > > Phil > > > SEROC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM > > > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > > Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > > A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing > > > the > > > gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These > > > sensors are > > > like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get > > > close enough > > > to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on > > > these alarms > > > so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set > > > it so > > > that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger > > > the siren. > > > I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo > > > bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. > > > Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM > > > Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > > > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > > > > > > > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my > > > apartments!!!!! > > > > > > > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS > > > in the > > > dust > > > > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side > > > fender. > > > > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > > > > > > > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious > > > shoe > > > tread > > > > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my > > > car?!?!? > > > > > > > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit > > > of a > > > > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door > > > behind > > > you > > > > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed > > > (except > > > > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda > > > been > > > loooong > > > > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > > > > > > > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english > > > & > > > spanish > > > > reading something to the effect of: > > > > > > > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing > > > it... > > > just > > > > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint > > > you'll > > > stick > > > > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you > > > are. There > > > is > > > > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just > > > plain > > > > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money > > > to > > > anyone > > > > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every > > > Roadster > > > > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be > > > taken. > > > > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off > > > into the > > > > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my > > > car, and > > > go > > > > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > > > > > > > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the > > > Roadster > > > > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up > > > $150K to buy > > > me > > > > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > > > > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no > > > donations!)**** > > > > > > > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > > > > > > > > Laurie > > > > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > > > > 69 SRL311 > > > > Chandler, AZ > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 18:07:19 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "Andrew Murphy" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:58:55 -0700 Subject: Re: People do think I am crazy.... At Shasta 2000, the most amazing sight was watching this fellow sitting in the back of the 1500 in that sideways seat while his wife drove. His legs were over the fender and his feet were dangling outside! Mind you, this was at the park during the Modesto Coast contest. He just looked soooo relaxed sitting in that 3rd seat, that I could picture doing just that on a slow drive on a country road. Sigh... I'll probably never have the chance to own one of these 3-seaters after Andrew buys them up. Hmmmn, what would it take to add one to a later model roadster... Fred - So.SF, CA 1500 envy! __________________________ Reply Separator ___________________________ >Subject: People do think I am crazy.... >Author: "Andrew Murphy" >Date: 9/5/2000 2:47 PM > >Hey List, > >Wow. Quite a response to my post about buying and selling. Money does >seem to get the list talking... > >One person commented that I already own two cars and why do I need >another? Well, first off I really own just my 67 2000 Solex. The 70 2000 >in my stable was originally going to be my daily driver while my 67 was >going to be redone, but my girlfriend got the bug and is going to "buy >me out" of the 70 2000. She wants one of her own. Can you blame her? > >Also, after much consideration and bullying from friends and vendors, I >have decided to do a full restoration on my 67 2000 solex. So I want a >car to have so I can drive it while my solex is gone. I would like it to >be a three seater. Next to the 67 2000, it is my favorite car of all the >roadsters. > >It is amazing how many people are posting about wanting a car or are >asking the list to help friends, family or acquaintances buy cars. No >wonder the asking prices are going up! We seem to be enjoying an influx >of interest. > >So never fear folks, I will get my three seater. It may take time and it >will certainly take money, but in the end I am going to have someone >drive me around in my 63 or 64 so I can see what it is like to sit in >that really cool third seat. > >Andrew Murphy >67 2000 Solex >70 2000 (Soon to be liz's all by herself) SoCalROC >________________________________________________________________________ >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 18:19:14 2000 From: Russell Southwell To: Thomas Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:13:12 -0700 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! Mines protected by S&W'Colt, Ruger, Marlin,Spriingfield Armory,Berretta, Brno,Mossberg,EAA,Dakota,Etc. and a kill switch. Russ Southwell 70 1600 Ex USN Pistol Team. Thomas wrote: > If it's protected by Smith & Wesson nobody will mess with it. > Anyway, it's difficult to stop somebody from taking off with > your car stereo. I have a Sony that I can take the front > panel with me and I have an electronic immobilizer to stop > anyone to drive off with my car(s). I have 3 different lock > bolts on every wheel. I'm already paying too much for insurance. > > Thomas > In Sweden > > Dziuba, Larry schreib: > > > It doesn't sound like you are helping by bragging about setting off alarms. > > If everyone ignores the alarms, then more apathy sets in. What happened to > > helping out a neighbor. Especially since everyone is supposed to be > > carrying a cell phone now. It should be like a massive set of extra eyes > > for the police. Larry in Calgary. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hall, Phillip [mailto:Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM > > To: 'Andy Cost'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > Hay all - > > > > If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very > > expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a > > parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car > > during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash > > and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling > > the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they > > are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in > > my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! > > > > Phil > > SEROC > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM > > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing > > the > > gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These > > sensors are > > like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get > > close enough > > to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on > > these alarms > > so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set > > it so > > that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger > > the siren. > > I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo > > bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM > > Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > > > > > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my > > apartments!!!!! > > > > > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS > > in the > > dust > > > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side > > fender. > > > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > > > > > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious > > shoe > > tread > > > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my > > car?!?!? > > > > > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit > > of a > > > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door > > behind > > you > > > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed > > (except > > > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda > > been > > loooong > > > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > > > > > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english > > & > > spanish > > > reading something to the effect of: > > > > > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing > > it... > > just > > > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint > > you'll > > stick > > > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you > > are. There > > is > > > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just > > plain > > > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money > > to > > anyone > > > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every > > Roadster > > > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be > > taken. > > > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off > > into the > > > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my > > car, and > > go > > > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > > > > > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the > > Roadster > > > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up > > $150K to buy > > me > > > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > > > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no > > donations!)**** > > > > > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > > > > > > Laurie > > > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > > > 69 SRL311 > > > Chandler, AZ > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 18:36:45 2000 From: Geegc@aol.com To: solex67@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:35:15 EDT Subject: 3 seaters -- Andrew's search Andrew, don't know if you knew, but the old 190 SL Mercedes came with a third seat in the back. I had one for a while (a 1958) and sold it for the cost of 5 good quality Datsuns. Many of the Datsun construction or restoration techniques are almost exactly the same as the Mercedes, including the dashboard removal, instruments, mirror placement, side panels, side trim, etc. I understand the 2000 engine is similar to the 190 SL (which came with dual Solex carbs that were impossible to maintain and were often replaced with Webers or Mikunis). Nissan may have gone through the 190 before they built the SPLs. Good luck in your search, but I think a 1966 1600 is the one to get for your daily driver. Looks better, and there are more around. Gary C 1966 1600 1968 2000 Solex From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 18:38:12 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Dziuba, Larry" , "'R Haug'" , Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:33:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Body - how to remove from frame Larry, If the car is very rusty do the bodywork before removing the body so you don't bend the body. Remove the body w/the doors on and then remove them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dziuba, Larry To: 'R Haug' ; The Belgian Roadster ; Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: RE: Body - how to remove from frame > I am also getting to that point of removal. Someone warned me about > supporting the body if the doors are removed. Should I screw some support > bar from front to back of the door opening? Larry in Calgary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: R Haug [mailto:haugchiro@moscow.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:34 AM > To: The Belgian Roadster; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Body - how to remove from frame > > > The Belgian Roadster wrote: > > > Now, I can't decide if I'm talking of the body or not, for a frame > > restoration. > > How many screws are to remove, where are they, what to take care off? > > I have removed the body from my car. There are 14 bolts, 7 for each side. > > First one is at the front corner by the radiator. > Second one is back about 50 - 70 cm. > Third is on the floor in the foot well near the outside edge of the > pedals. > Fourth is on the floor at about the end of the seat. > Fifth is up in the shelf area behind the seat. > Sixth is in the front part of the rear wheel well. > Seventh is at the back in the trunk. > You will need to remove the hydraulic brake, clutch, and fuel lines. > The fuel line will need to be undone both front and rear I believe. > The parking brake rod/cable. > There is some wiring to undo/remove. Grounds (negative earth?) in the > engine bay and the rear wiring. > Lifts easily with a cherry picker by yourself. Not sure how many people > to lift it. Run a chain to the outer seat belt holes and use a bolt > there. > Bob, > Moscow, Idaho From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 18:52:50 2000 From: R Haug To: Marc Tyler , Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:49:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Painted my engine and related parts Marc Tyler wrote: > Does your HVLP unit work with a standard compressor, or did you get the > air turbine type? > > Marc T. (with his nose in a restoration book) Marc, I bought a gravity feed HVLP gun from Harbor Freight that uses my air compressor. It takes about 15 psi to run the gun so a very small compressor could be used. Another benefit of the gun is that is uses maybe half the material of a regular air paint gun (which BTW, I do have a good Develbiss gun too). The savings in material usage has already paid for the new gun. Not sure how good the gun is but a friend of mine recommended it. He is a professional body man. There is a lot less over spray with this type of gun. Makes it pretty clean to use. Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 18:53:27 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , , Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:49:19 -0400 Subject: Re: 3 seaters -- Andrew's search Gary, The L series engines were copies of MB engines according to a mechanic I used many, many years ago when I had my first 240. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: 3 seaters -- Andrew's search > Andrew, don't know if you knew, but the old 190 SL Mercedes came with a third > seat in the back. I had one for a while (a 1958) and sold it for the cost of > 5 good quality Datsuns. > > Many of the Datsun construction or restoration techniques are almost exactly > the same as the Mercedes, including the dashboard removal, instruments, > mirror placement, side panels, side trim, etc. I understand the 2000 engine > is similar to the 190 SL (which came with dual Solex carbs that were > impossible to maintain and were often replaced with Webers or Mikunis). > Nissan may have gone through the 190 before they built the SPLs. > > Good luck in your search, but I think a 1966 1600 is the one to get for your > daily driver. Looks better, and there are more around. > > Gary C > 1966 1600 > 1968 2000 Solex From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 18:58:07 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:50:35 EDT Subject: Re: People do think I am crazy.... In a message dated 09/05/2000 5:13:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us writes: > He just looked soooo relaxed > sitting in that 3rd seat, that I could picture doing just that on a slow > drive on a country road. Sigh... I'll probably never have the chance to own > one of these 3-seaters after Andrew buys them up. Hmmmn, what would it take > to add one to a later model roadster... Fred... between breaks in classes, and during break time (when I was working at my last place), I'd sometimes just lay sideways on the back shelf with my feet dangling over the side too. Grab a nice pillow and life is all perfect! Another reason I will miss my primered baby so much... my sr20 roadster will be gettng a roll bar, so there's not gonna be any room on the back shelf! (Well, that, and the suspension is gonna be poking you in the @$$ too :) \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 18:58:50 2000 From: R Haug To: "Dziuba, Larry" , Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:54:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Body - how to remove from frame "Dziuba, Larry" wrote: > Should I screw some support bar from front to back of the door opening? > Larry in Calgary. Larry, It is a good idea to run a support rod from the upper door hinge to the striker for the door latch. I cut a length of square tubing and 2 plates with holes drilled in the plates that match the mounting holes. Then I welded the bar to the plates. I made one for the right and left side. Be careful not to over heat the body panels. You could get some warping if you are not careful. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 19:26:45 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, DemonTSi@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:22:15 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: People do think I am crazy.... Van, Darn, you get all the good ideas first. We'll be wanting to see those suspension mods (something I only dreamed of but would never have the guts to do). Let's see this baby at Shasta next year. P.S. When I was a kid my older sister's boyfriend had a Triumph roadster (I think it was one), and I would scrunch up in the back shelf under the roll bar. Not fun at all without a seat! Fred - So.SF _____________________ Reply Separator __________________________ >Subject: Re: People do think I am crazy.... >Author: DemonTSi@aol.com >Date: 9/5/2000 8:50 PM > >In a message dated 09/05/2000 5:13:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us writes: > >> He just looked soooo relaxed >> sitting in that 3rd seat, that I could picture doing just that on a >slow > drive on a country road. Sigh... I'll probably never have the >chance to own >> one of these 3-seaters after Andrew buys them up. Hmmmn, what would it >take >> to add one to a later model roadster... > >Fred... between breaks in classes, and during break time (when I was working >at my last place), I'd sometimes just lay sideways on the back shelf with my >feet dangling over the side too. Grab a nice pillow and life is all perfect! >Another reason I will miss my primered baby so much... my sr20 roadster will >be gettng a roll bar, so there's not gonna be any room on the back shelf! >(Well, that, and the suspension is gonna be poking you in the @$$ too :) > >\/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 20:10:57 2000 From: Loiroadster@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:10:09 EDT Subject: 1969 Roadster "Not For Sale" To all who responded to my email concerning the sale of my 1969 2000 roadster: I had a nice telephone conversation with Stickerman (Mark Dent) yesterday. He looked me up in the local phone book. He encouraged me to keep the car & register it, so that the HOA can't say anything when it is sitting in the driveway. Thanks for the encouragement, Mark. P.S. I will be asking questions & inquiring about parts on the list as I try to get it back on the road. Loiroadster (Loir McDaniel) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 20:56:52 2000 From: "Mike Adams" To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 21:03:27 +0000 Subject: Re: People do think I am crazy.... One possible reason he was in the back - he couldn't fit on the passenger side of the car. That third seat puts the passenger seat up a bit. Mike ---------- >From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "Andrew Murphy" >Subject: Re: People do think I am crazy.... >Date: 5, Sep , 11:58 PM > >At Shasta 2000, the most amazing sight was watching this fellow sitting in >the back of the 1500 in that sideways seat while his wife drove. His legs >were over the fender and his feet were dangling outside! Mind you, this was >at the park during the Modesto Coast contest. He just looked soooo relaxed >sitting in that 3rd seat, that I could picture doing just that on a slow >drive on a country road. Sigh... I'll probably never have the chance to own >one of these 3-seaters after Andrew buys them up. Hmmmn, what would it take >to add one to a later model roadster... > >Fred - So.SF, CA >1500 envy! > >__________________________ Reply Separator ___________________________ >>Subject: People do think I am crazy.... >>Author: "Andrew Murphy" >>Date: 9/5/2000 2:47 PM >> >>Hey List, >> >>Wow. Quite a response to my post about buying and selling. Money does >>seem to get the list talking... >> >>One person commented that I already own two cars and why do I need >>another? Well, first off I really own just my 67 2000 Solex. The 70 2000 >>in my stable was originally going to be my daily driver while my 67 was >>going to be redone, but my girlfriend got the bug and is going to "buy >>me out" of the 70 2000. She wants one of her own. Can you blame her? >> >>Also, after much consideration and bullying from friends and vendors, I >>have decided to do a full restoration on my 67 2000 solex. So I want a >>car to have so I can drive it while my solex is gone. I would like it to >>be a three seater. Next to the 67 2000, it is my favorite car of all the >>roadsters. >> >>It is amazing how many people are posting about wanting a car or are >>asking the list to help friends, family or acquaintances buy cars. No >>wonder the asking prices are going up! We seem to be enjoying an influx >>of interest. >> >>So never fear folks, I will get my three seater. It may take time and it >>will certainly take money, but in the end I am going to have someone >>drive me around in my 63 or 64 so I can see what it is like to sit in >>that really cool third seat. >> >>Andrew Murphy >>67 2000 Solex >>70 2000 (Soon to be liz's all by herself) SoCalROC >>________________________________________________________________________ >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 21:06:24 2000 From: Davesmbox@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:01:47 EDT Subject: HEATER CONTROL HOSE Hey list, Any suggestions on replacing the 6'' hose on the 68-70 heater control without buying the whole unit with valve. The bend is too sharp to do with off the roll hose. Its my understanding the hose as a replacement only comes with the valve. Dave From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 22:06:43 2000 From: Todd Osborn To: Roadster List Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 23:28:15 -0700 Subject: Re: HEATER CONTROL HOSE Dave, You should be able to find molded el shaped by-pass hose that will work. I used one one to fix mine, don't recall the number but it was a Goodyear hose. Todd Osborn 68 2L DATSFUN San Jose, CA Davesmbox@aol.com wrote: > > Hey list, > Any suggestions on replacing the 6'' hose on the 68-70 heater control without > buying the whole unit with valve. The bend is too sharp to do with off the > roll hose. Its my understanding the hose as a replacement only comes with the > valve. > Dave From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 22:16:07 2000 From: Gary Boone To: Davesmbox@aol.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:17:30 -0600 Subject: Re: HEATER CONTROL HOSE Here's your solution: It's not a roadster part but it works very well. It's a short heater hose for a 280ZX. Nissan Part # 27183-P6500. It may require some minor cutting on one end. Just don't cut it too short. Reminds me of the old saying "cut it 3 times and it's still too short". Gary Boone '70 SRL311 Davesmbox@aol.com wrote: > Hey list, > Any suggestions on replacing the 6'' hose on the 68-70 heater control without > buying the whole unit with valve. The bend is too sharp to do with off the > roll hose. Its my understanding the hose as a replacement only comes with the > valve. > Dave From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 5 22:41:49 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: Russell Southwell Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 21:44:15 -0700 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! Russell, My father is a retired Navy shooter. He has distinguished medals in Pistol and Rifle, and would have been the first person in the Navy to have one in International Pistol if he would have stayed in a little longer. He was also team manager for the US shooting Team for awhile. Along with two time participant in the Olympic Trials. He use to tell us he would give a robber a head start, but bet they wouldn't make it to the corner. He said this as a joke as we did have two of our cars stolen in California. We never left the house without a gun in the car. .357 magnum in the door panel. It only was used on three occasions that I could remember. One was the shooting of mistletoe (sp) from a tree. We made money as kids bagging and selling it around christmas time. The other two times were to put down dogs that someone hit and left to die along the side of the roads. My father was very upset having to do this. I guess this brings me back to what Jim Tyler said a couple of weeks ago about spending time with our fathers while we can. Mike Nowroc Russell Southwell wrote: > Mines protected by S&W'Colt, Ruger, Marlin,Spriingfield Armory,Berretta, > Brno,Mossberg,EAA,Dakota,Etc. and a kill switch. > Russ Southwell 70 1600 > Ex USN Pistol Team. > > Thomas wrote: > > > If it's protected by Smith & Wesson nobody will mess with it. > > Anyway, it's difficult to stop somebody from taking off with > > your car stereo. I have a Sony that I can take the front > > panel with me and I have an electronic immobilizer to stop > > anyone to drive off with my car(s). I have 3 different lock > > bolts on every wheel. I'm already paying too much for insurance. > > > > Thomas > > In Sweden > > > > Dziuba, Larry schreib: > > > > > It doesn't sound like you are helping by bragging about setting off alarms. > > > If everyone ignores the alarms, then more apathy sets in. What happened to > > > helping out a neighbor. Especially since everyone is supposed to be > > > carrying a cell phone now. It should be like a massive set of extra eyes > > > for the police. Larry in Calgary. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Hall, Phillip [mailto:Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM > > > To: 'Andy Cost'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > > Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > > Hay all - > > > > > > If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very > > > expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a > > > parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car > > > during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash > > > and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling > > > the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they > > > are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in > > > my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! > > > > > > Phil > > > SEROC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM > > > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > > Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > > A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing > > > the > > > gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These > > > sensors are > > > like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get > > > close enough > > > to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on > > > these alarms > > > so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set > > > it so > > > that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger > > > the siren. > > > I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo > > > bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. > > > Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM > > > Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > > > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > > > > > > > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my > > > apartments!!!!! > > > > > > > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS > > > in the > > > dust > > > > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side > > > fender. > > > > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > > > > > > > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious > > > shoe > > > tread > > > > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my > > > car?!?!? > > > > > > > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit > > > of a > > > > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door > > > behind > > > you > > > > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed > > > (except > > > > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda > > > been > > > loooong > > > > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > > > > > > > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english > > > & > > > spanish > > > > reading something to the effect of: > > > > > > > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing > > > it... > > > just > > > > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint > > > you'll > > > stick > > > > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you > > > are. There > > > is > > > > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just > > > plain > > > > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money > > > to > > > anyone > > > > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every > > > Roadster > > > > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be > > > taken. > > > > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off > > > into the > > > > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my > > > car, and > > > go > > > > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > > > > > > > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the > > > Roadster > > > > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up > > > $150K to buy > > > me > > > > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > > > > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no > > > donations!)**** > > > > > > > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > > > > > > > > Laurie > > > > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > > > > 69 SRL311 > > > > Chandler, AZ > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 01:46:42 2000 From: "Les/Dennis@CDM" To: Roadster list Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:32:01 -0700 Subject: 510 interest(somewhat OT) I read with some interest how several of you have found the 510 to be a fun and quite capable little datsun and have to fully agree. All you have to do is look back at the BRE race team which was brand new in 1968 and sometime during the season while Pete and John and Frank Monise were building and racing the 2000 roadsters they were given a brand new 510 and a young Japanese engineer and asked to build a car for the Mexican 1000(later called Baja 1000) and they tried hard not to embaress the young engineer or datsun. I have yet to find out how they did in 68 but I know they also started a whole series of the worlds toughest Rallyes to test the cars. The 510 predated the Z car by almost 2 years and was really thought to be Mr. K's first real crowning achievment and car he helped concieve for american buyers. I mention all of this because your comments could not come at a better time. Several weeks ago I was asked to let the Petersen museum in LA borrow my Factory works SSS 510 1969 Mexican 1000 car for a historical exhibit to be held Wed the 6th. As some of you know or have seen tucked away in the back corner of the shop usually covered with junk I have been trying to locate certain rare missing parts to do the resto on this rare car. My car was the 4 th place finisher in the 2 wheel drive passenger car class and was only beaten by 2 factory Saabs in 1st and 3 rd and One Famous guy James Garner in a 1969 Olds Cutlass(the Banshee) and my car was driven By Pete Brock and Bob Lyons and did finish in the money and out of the 4 cars prepared by BRE only one other finished the race. On an interesting note one of the 510s had a U-20 roadster engine installed and it was interesting to find out that the engine fell off the mounts and cracked the aluminum pan and put a hole in the radiator. Mac Tilton told us stories a few years back of how they used to throw oil out the window of a slow airplane on little parachutes down to the car when they could not find places to land. No one knows where the roadster powered 510 ended up but it would sure be nice(never mind ) Today I delivered the car to the museum and was hanging out with Bruce Meyers who created and sold the Meyers Manx dune buggy that won Baja also and come to find out the guy who co-drove my car with Pete ended up being the lawyer who represented Meyer in court when he had to sue others who copied his cool dune buggy design. So tomorrow evening I along with 800-1000 will be attending the premere of the new book 1000 miles to glory and a preview of this years 2000 mile event. Pete came down today and John Morton who co-drove with Pete in 1972 is going to come by and Parnelli Jones and Many others from the history of Baja should be a fun night and there is rumor that James Garner may be there as well. I will try to get pictures and post them soon and also Speedvision is filming a special about this and we should be able to see more about it then. Should be a huge whos who of automotive history. Thanks for indulging me yet again! Les Les Cannaday Dennis Currington Classic Datsun Motorsports 345 Olive Ave Vista, CA 92083 (760) 940-6365 Voice/Fax classicdatsun.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 06:58:06 2000 From: Lafoxparts@aol.com To: les@classicdatsun.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:56:46 EDT Subject: 69 2L FOR SALE Car is complete but apart and comes with many many extras. For complete details and info call me at 847/931-1555 8-6 week days or 847/741-5502 home before 10 cental time. Everything is priced right. Respectfully Dennis Cars and parts are near Chicago From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 07:02:07 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Mike Poorboy" , Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:07:04 -0500 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! Mike Poorboy wrote >We never left the house without a gun in the car. .357 magnum >in the door panel. It only was used on three occasions that I >could remember. One was the shooting of mistletoe (sp) from a >tree. Gee, when I was a kid we had to climb the tree to get the mistletoe...Then there were those jokers shooting at us ;-) -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 07:45:51 2000 From: Russell Southwell To: Mike Poorboy Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:40:42 -0700 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! It takes extreme skill, dedication, and practice to earn even one distiinguished medal, I'm sorry I never got to meet him. nowadays I'm lucky to even hit a tree let alone miseltoe.(thoough I do shoot every weekend.) must be all that welding.(and old age.) roadster content... I have two spare turnsignal/dimmer switches one has an exta wire lead on it. that oone is a late model switch?? Russ Southwell 70 1600 Mike Poorboy wrote: > Russell, > My father is a retired Navy shooter. He has distinguished medals > in Pistol and Rifle, and would have been the first person in the Navy > to have one in International Pistol if he would have stayed in a little > longer. He was also team manager for the US shooting Team for > awhile. Along with two time participant in the Olympic Trials. He > use to tell us he would give a robber a head start, but bet they > wouldn't make it to the corner. He said this as a joke as we did > have two of our cars stolen in California. > > We never left the house without a gun in the car. .357 magnum > in the door panel. It only was used on three occasions that I > could remember. One was the shooting of mistletoe (sp) from a > tree. We made money as kids bagging and selling it around christmas > time. The other two times were to put down dogs that someone hit > and left to die along the side of the roads. My father was very upset > having to do this. > > I guess this brings me back to what Jim Tyler said a couple of weeks > ago about spending time with our fathers while we can. > > Mike > Nowroc > > Russell Southwell wrote: > > > Mines protected by S&W'Colt, Ruger, Marlin,Spriingfield Armory,Berretta, > > Brno,Mossberg,EAA,Dakota,Etc. and a kill switch. > > Russ Southwell 70 1600 > > Ex USN Pistol Team. > > > > Thomas wrote: > > > > > If it's protected by Smith & Wesson nobody will mess with it. > > > Anyway, it's difficult to stop somebody from taking off with > > > your car stereo. I have a Sony that I can take the front > > > panel with me and I have an electronic immobilizer to stop > > > anyone to drive off with my car(s). I have 3 different lock > > > bolts on every wheel. I'm already paying too much for insurance. > > > > > > Thomas > > > In Sweden > > > > > > Dziuba, Larry schreib: > > > > > > > It doesn't sound like you are helping by bragging about setting off alarms. > > > > If everyone ignores the alarms, then more apathy sets in. What happened to > > > > helping out a neighbor. Especially since everyone is supposed to be > > > > carrying a cell phone now. It should be like a massive set of extra eyes > > > > for the police. Larry in Calgary. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Hall, Phillip [mailto:Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM > > > > To: 'Andy Cost'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > > > Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > > > > Hay all - > > > > > > > > If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very > > > > expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a > > > > parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car > > > > during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash > > > > and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling > > > > the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they > > > > are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in > > > > my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > SEROC > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM > > > > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > > > Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > > > > A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing > > > > the > > > > gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These > > > > sensors are > > > > like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get > > > > close enough > > > > to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on > > > > these alarms > > > > so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set > > > > it so > > > > that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger > > > > the siren. > > > > I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo > > > > bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. > > > > Andy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM > > > > Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > > > > > > > > > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > > > > > > > > > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my > > > > apartments!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS > > > > in the > > > > dust > > > > > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side > > > > fender. > > > > > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious > > > > shoe > > > > tread > > > > > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my > > > > car?!?!? > > > > > > > > > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit > > > > of a > > > > > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door > > > > behind > > > > you > > > > > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed > > > > (except > > > > > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda > > > > been > > > > loooong > > > > > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > > > > > > > > > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english > > > > & > > > > spanish > > > > > reading something to the effect of: > > > > > > > > > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing > > > > it... > > > > just > > > > > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint > > > > you'll > > > > stick > > > > > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you > > > > are. There > > > > is > > > > > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just > > > > plain > > > > > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money > > > > to > > > > anyone > > > > > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every > > > > Roadster > > > > > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be > > > > taken. > > > > > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off > > > > into the > > > > > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my > > > > car, and > > > > go > > > > > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > > > > > > > > > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the > > > > Roadster > > > > > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up > > > > $150K to buy > > > > me > > > > > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > > > > > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no > > > > donations!)**** > > > > > > > > > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > Laurie > > > > > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > > > > > 69 SRL311 > > > > > Chandler, AZ > > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 08:23:56 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:19:55 -0700 Subject: Dimmer switch Does the 67.5 have a high beam low beam switch for the headlights. Since I have never driven my car, I don't know the answer to this. Is it on or part of the turn signal lever? Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 09:42:41 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: haugchiro@moscow.com Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:41:39 PDT Subject: Re: Dimmer switch The 67.5 does have a high/low beam switch combined with the turn signal lever. There is a lamp on the tach that should light up when the high beams are on. Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex SoCalROC >From: R Haug >Reply-To: R Haug >To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" >Subject: Dimmer switch >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:19:55 -0700 > >Does the 67.5 have a high beam low beam switch for the headlights. >Since I have never driven my car, I don't know the answer to this. Is >it on or part of the turn signal lever? >Bob > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 10:04:04 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: haugchiro@moscow.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:03:16 EDT Subject: Re: Dimmer switch Bob, The dimmer is the turn signal switch. You move it forwards and back to work the dimmer. It is the same part as the 65 - 67 cars. Sid >From: R Haug >Reply-To: R Haug >To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" >Subject: Dimmer switch >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:19:55 -0700 > >Does the 67.5 have a high beam low beam switch for the headlights. >Since I have never driven my car, I don't know the answer to this. Is >it on or part of the turn signal lever? >Bob > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 10:27:14 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "240" <240z-club@peak.org>, "311" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:21:29 -0700 Subject: Maximas Hi all, apologies for the off topic post, and I'll endeavor to keep it brief. My wife's '84 Max is about due for replacement, and we're looking at the '89-93 (???) ish Max's. Can anyone with info, good/bad/ indifferent please email me offlist? Thanks, Datsunfriends! (or is that fiends?;-) ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, engine/trans out, making a big mess ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 11:40:30 2000 From: "Blair, Joe" To: "Team Newsletter (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:54:27 -0700 Subject: 1500 Tranny What is everyone using for gasket material for the dipstick / fill hole. Mine is sloppy and leaks. Joe Blair 1964 SPL310 #02775 Granite Bay, Ca. jblair@roseville.ca.us jblair@rcsis.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 14:30:12 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "Kyle Hagemann" , "240" <240z-club@peak.org>, Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:55:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Maximas Kyle, We had a 1990 Max and loved it until we had too many cars and not enough drivers and it was the first car sold. One thing I know to watch out for is rust at the bottom of the front door posts. You won't see it just walking by. get down at ground level and look underneath the car. Our '90 and several others we looked at had sever rust in the frame rails at the bottom of the front door posts. If you find a solid body but the motor stumbles a bit when cold, it may just be the distributor cap. They have a tendency to crack on the inside and will start giving you problems, especially when damp. Other than that, great cars. A SE 5 speed would be a great 4 passenger play car. Happy hunting. Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Hagemann To: 240 <240z-club@peak.org>; 311 Date: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: Maximas >Hi all, apologies for the off topic post, and I'll endeavor to >keep it brief. > >My wife's '84 Max is about due for replacement, and we're looking >at the '89-93 (???) ish Max's. Can anyone with info, good/bad/ >indifferent please email me offlist? > >Thanks, Datsunfriends! >(or is that fiends?;-) > ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond > _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast > | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk > `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, engine/trans out, making a big mess >------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max >http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 16:49:37 2000 From: Michael Tarelka To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:24:24 -0700 Subject: Any techniques for getting new Tach cable installed? I need to hook up a Tach cable to my recently aquired 1969 1600. Is there any "tips" for accessing the tach through the dash? Please advise. Thanks in advance. Michael Tarelka Alameda, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:03:49 2000 From: Jaykp@aol.com To: kwhcpa@addler.net, 240z-club@peak.org, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:46:11 EDT Subject: '68 Top Bow All, I began the process of installing my new top last week by removing my old top. When I removed the old top I found that the Bow is much more damaged than I had expected. It is actually kinked in the middle. Before I begin the process of rebuilding the bow, I am curious to know how much a new or used one would be. Does anyone have one for sale? Regards, Jay Nashville, TN '68 SPL SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:04:31 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:39:45 -0500 Subject: '66 interior handle I just got off Rob's most excellent web site. The archive picture has a nice drawing of a '65 interior. I noticed the interior door handle pointing up. I have always assumed that the handle pointed forward and was parallel to the horizon. Is the correct orientation for this handle pointing up? Is my '66 handle wrong pointing forward? I sure hope not - I have never been wrong before......:-) Phil SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:06:29 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:34:06 EDT Subject: AZ Roadsters - Pavilions time again - SAT All of you in the PHX area: I'ts time again for the DZA showing @ the Scottsdale Pavillions! Sat Sept 9th 4:00-9:00pm ish. ( I usually drive in about 5:00pm). Last month we had 4 Roadster owners & 3 cars there w/the other Datsuns - shall we try for more? Chris D., Guy, Steve, Jim, Ron (call Lance!) Bob/Linda ???? This means YOU! Even w/out car it'd be great to have you all. Gary - care to drag out an Allard to impress the heck out of them all?? See Everyone There ! Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:07:13 2000 From: "eugene kay" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:45:26 GMT Subject: brake shoe lining Hi list, I had a local Friction Shop re-shoe all 4 of my stock brake shoes with an Abex lning called Scanpack a kevlar based semi-metallic material(light brown in color with small bits of gold-colored metal chunks in it). Cost was only $48.- and they said it would be good for street and better than the stock organic material. But I forgot about the negative affects the new material would have on my stock drums? Should I have them re-shoe them to another gentler material and what kind? thx, Eugene Kay '69 2000 _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:10:37 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "311" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:26:31 -0700 Subject: One more time with the tranny:-) Hi gang- Yes, I'm still procrastinating myself away from my Roadster.... but I'm running out of side-jobs to keep me busy, so I guess I'll be embracing the inevitable this weekend. Can someone explain to me how to tell if my fifth gear needs fixing? I'll have that off as part of my repair, and don't want to wind up with 5th gear neutral after all these long months. And, time being the issue that it is, is this a repair that can be accomplished by a local machine shop vs. one of our vendors? No disrespect, I'm just trying to get this beast back on the road ASAP - don't want to wait for UPS turnaround time. Thanks gang! ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, engine/trans out, making a big mess ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:14:32 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:49:32 PDT Subject: Pressure Tactics All, Well, you can definitly put me down for NOT purchasing that 64 1500 that is on Yahoo auctions. Turns out that the car is being offered by a "friend" who just happens to be an auto appraiser for law firms (so he says) I got TONS of feedback (thanks everyone) about this car, most saying the same thing: "No non-running car that has been out in the weather and needs work is worth 2600.00". So I wrote this guy an email saying that rather than waste his or the owner's time, I would offer 1200.00, leaving some room for negotiation. I also wrote that he might want to talk to his friend about setting a more realistic price for the car or starting the auction with a more realistic amount (Tom Walter's advice by the Way) His response was that as an "appraiser of cars" for a Law firm, he felt the car was in the 2500.00 to 3600.00 range and that he had a guy who had already offered "over 2000.00" for it. Right. I told him I was not some rube falling off the turnip truck. The old "I've got someone coming by later who is interested in the car" gag doesn't work with me anymore. Neither does bait-and-switch, or the "I've got to get my boss's/wife's/husband's O.K. on this" routine. It's insulting. So never fear roadsterites, I WILL get a three seater someday, but one that is offered for a fair price and that is negotiated in good faith. It brings up the issue of the rash of people looking for cars right now. Take your time and get the right one for the right price. See you on the road, Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:36:35 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov, Datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:33:58 EDT Subject: Re: '66 interior handle Phil, All of the early roadsters that I owned had the handles pointing up. Since they are on a splined shaft, it is easy to change though. I have even seen one car with them pointing down. Sid >From: "Hall, Phillip" >Reply-To: "Hall, Phillip" >To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" >Subject: '66 interior handle >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:39:45 -0500 > >I just got off Rob's most excellent web site. The archive picture has a >nice drawing of a '65 interior. I noticed the interior door handle >pointing >up. I have always assumed that the handle pointed forward and was parallel >to the horizon. Is the correct orientation for this handle pointing up? >Is >my '66 handle wrong pointing forward? I sure hope not - I have never been >wrong before......:-) > >Phil >SEROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:40:49 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Mike Adams" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:34:01 -0400 Subject: Re: People do think I am crazy.... Mike, Maybe he wanted to be chauffeured around. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Adams To: ; ; Andrew Murphy Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: Re: People do think I am crazy.... > One possible reason he was in the back - he couldn't > fit on the passenger side of the car. That third seat > puts the passenger seat up a bit. > Mike > ---------- > >From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us > >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "Andrew Murphy" > >Subject: Re: People do think I am crazy.... > >Date: 5, Sep , 11:58 PM > > > > >At Shasta 2000, the most amazing sight was watching this fellow sitting in > >the back of the 1500 in that sideways seat while his wife drove. His legs > >were over the fender and his feet were dangling outside! Mind you, this was > > >at the park during the Modesto Coast contest. He just looked soooo relaxed > >sitting in that 3rd seat, that I could picture doing just that on a slow > >drive on a country road. Sigh... I'll probably never have the chance to own > > >one of these 3-seaters after Andrew buys them up. Hmmmn, what would it take > > >to add one to a later model roadster... > > > >Fred - So.SF, CA > >1500 envy! > > > >__________________________ Reply Separator ___________________________ > >>Subject: People do think I am crazy.... > >>Author: "Andrew Murphy" > >>Date: 9/5/2000 2:47 PM > >> > >>Hey List, > >> > >>Wow. Quite a response to my post about buying and selling. Money does > >>seem to get the list talking... > >> > >>One person commented that I already own two cars and why do I need > >>another? Well, first off I really own just my 67 2000 Solex. The 70 2000 > >>in my stable was originally going to be my daily driver while my 67 was > >>going to be redone, but my girlfriend got the bug and is going to "buy > >>me out" of the 70 2000. She wants one of her own. Can you blame her? > >> > >>Also, after much consideration and bullying from friends and vendors, I > >>have decided to do a full restoration on my 67 2000 solex. So I want a > >>car to have so I can drive it while my solex is gone. I would like it to > >>be a three seater. Next to the 67 2000, it is my favorite car of all the > >>roadsters. > >> > >>It is amazing how many people are posting about wanting a car or are > >>asking the list to help friends, family or acquaintances buy cars. No > >>wonder the asking prices are going up! We seem to be enjoying an influx > >>of interest. > >> > >>So never fear folks, I will get my three seater. It may take time and it > >>will certainly take money, but in the end I am going to have someone > >>drive me around in my 63 or 64 so I can see what it is like to sit in > >>that really cool third seat. > >> > >>Andrew Murphy > >>67 2000 Solex > >>70 2000 (Soon to be liz's all by herself) SoCalROC > >>________________________________________________________________________ > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:45:40 2000 From: sar castro To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! i do not know why someone would want to steal one of those pitiful little cars anyway. it would probably break down before they got it out of the parking lot. if i were to steal a car i would steal a rare classic or a modern sports car with air conditioning and fuel injection. i would not steal an overvalued, underpowered, finicky carbureted, mass produced, rust bucket. if i did consider stealing one of your mg clones i wish you would shoot me with your smith and wesson. disgusted in denver --- Russell Southwell > wrote: >It takes extreme skill, dedication, and practice to earn even one distiinguished >medal, >I'm sorry I never got to meet him. nowadays I'm lucky to even hit a tree let alone >miseltoe.(thoough I do shoot every weekend.) must be all that welding.(and old age.) >roadster content... I have two spare turnsignal/dimmer switches one has an exta >wire lead on it. that oone is a late model switch?? >Russ Southwell 70 1600 > >Mike Poorboy wrote: > >> Russell, >> My father is a retired Navy shooter. He has distinguished medals >> in Pistol and Rifle, and would have been the first person in the Navy >> to have one in International Pistol if he would have stayed in a little >> longer. He was also team manager for the US shooting Team for >> awhile. Along with two time participant in the Olympic Trials. He >> use to tell us he would give a robber a head start, but bet they >> wouldn't make it to the corner. He said this as a joke as we did >> have two of our cars stolen in California. >> >> We never left the house without a gun in the car. .357 magnum >> in the door panel. It only was used on three occasions that I >> could remember. One was the shooting of mistletoe (sp) from a >> tree. We made money as kids bagging and selling it around christmas >> time. The other two times were to put down dogs that someone hit >> and left to die along the side of the roads. My father was very upset >> having to do this. >> >> I guess this brings me back to what Jim Tyler said a couple of weeks >> ago about spending time with our fathers while we can. >> >> Mike >> Nowroc >> >> Russell Southwell wrote: >> >> > Mines protected by S&W'Colt, Ruger, Marlin,Spriingfield Armory,Berretta, >> > Brno,Mossberg,EAA,Dakota,Etc. and a kill switch. >> > Russ Southwell 70 1600 >> > Ex USN Pistol Team. >> > >> > Thomas wrote: >> > >> > > If it's protected by Smith & Wesson nobody will mess with it. >> > > Anyway, it's difficult to stop somebody from taking off with >> > > your car stereo. I have a Sony that I can take the front >> > > panel with me and I have an electronic immobilizer to stop >> > > anyone to drive off with my car(s). I have 3 different lock >> > > bolts on every wheel. I'm already paying too much for insurance. >> > > >> > > Thomas >> > > In Sweden >> > > >> > > Dziuba, Larry schreib: >> > > >> > > > It doesn't sound like you are helping by bragging about setting off alarms. >> > > > If everyone ignores the alarms, then more apathy sets in. What happened to >> > > > helping out a neighbor. Especially since everyone is supposed to be >> > > > carrying a cell phone now. It should be like a massive set of extra eyes >> > > > for the police. Larry in Calgary. >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Hall, Phillip [mailto:Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov] >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM >> > > > To: 'Andy Cost'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >> > > > Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! >> > > > >> > > > Hay all - >> > > > >> > > > If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very >> > > > expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a >> > > > parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car >> > > > during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash >> > > > and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling >> > > > the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they >> > > > are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in >> > > > my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! >> > > > >> > > > Phil >> > > > SEROC >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] >> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM >> > > > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >> > > > Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! >> > > > >> > > > A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing >> > > > the >> > > > gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These >> > > > sensors are >> > > > like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get >> > > > close enough >> > > > to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on >> > > > these alarms >> > > > so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set >> > > > it so >> > > > that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger >> > > > the siren. >> > > > I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo >> > > > bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. >> > > > Andy >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: >> > > > To: >> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM >> > > > Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! >> > > > >> > > > > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... >> > > > > >> > > > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my >> > > > apartments!!!!! >> > > > > >> > > > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS >> > > > in the >> > > > dust >> > > > > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side >> > > > fender. >> > > > > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! >> > > > > >> > > > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious >> > > > shoe >> > > > tread >> > > > > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my >> > > > car?!?!? >> > > > > >> > > > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit >> > > > of a >> > > > > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door >> > > > behind >> > > > you >> > > > > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed >> > > > (except >> > > > > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda >> > > > been >> > > > loooong >> > > > > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) >> > > > > >> > > > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english >> > > > & >> > > > spanish >> > > > > reading something to the effect of: >> > > > > >> > > > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing >> > > > it... >> > > > just >> > > > > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint >> > > > you'll >> > > > stick >> > > > > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you >> > > > are. There >> > > > is >> > > > > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just >> > > > plain >> > > > > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money >> > > > to >> > > > anyone >> > > > > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every >> > > > Roadster >> > > > > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be >> > > > taken. >> > > > > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off >> > > > into the >> > > > > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my >> > > > car, and >> > > > go >> > > > > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* >> > > > > >> > > > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the >> > > > Roadster >> > > > > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up >> > > > $150K to buy >> > > > me >> > > > > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." >> > > > > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no >> > > > donations!)**** >> > > > > >> > > > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! >> > > > > >> > > > > Laurie >> > > > > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) >> > > > > 69 SRL311 >> > > > > Chandler, AZ >> > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Get your very own free E-mail,Free Fax Search multiple search engines in one go join our community,and lots more.... ---> http://www.wiremail.net Make money in the e-commerce boom register FREE at http://www.wiremail.net/register_associate.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 17:49:30 2000 From: Russell Southwell To: datsun roadster mailist Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:43:20 -0700 Subject: Clutch cyl. just finished rebuilding my slave cyl. with a kit from auto zone bbrakeware part # 22391 . bendix part# 22391 also 22189. kit consists of plunger,seal, spring, and boot $5.00. also ordered 2 beck and arnley kits from Napa. 7.95 ea as I have two more slave cyls to rebuild. one cyl had spring behind the plunger, and the one on my 70 1600 only had the plunger and seal, as with my other spare B/A slave cyl lists at 32.95 both kits and cyl have the same computer code that the parts man said is one step above NLA. got to go hone the other cyls though one has rather deep corrosion, Russ Southwell 70 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 18:01:19 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Dawn" , Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:55:31 -0400 Subject: O/T What Cars Say about Their Owners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C0183C.69943980 charset="iso-8859-1" Pretty Funny > > > http://www.theautochannel.com:8080/news/date/19970227/news03331.html > ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C0183C.69943980 name="What~Cars~Say~about~Their~Owners.url" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="What~Cars~Say~about~Their~Owners.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=3Dhttp://www.theautochannel.com:8080/news/date/19970227/news03331= .html [DOC#14#15] BASEURL=3Dhttp://www.theautochannel.com:8080/new-templates/generic-btns.f= rame?/news/date/19970227/news03331.html [DOC#14#16#17] BASEURL=3Dhttp://www.theautochannel.com:8080/content/news/date/19970227/n= ews03331.html?{LoadingFrameset} [DOC#14#16#18] BASEURL=3Dhttp://www.theautochannel.com:8080/new-templates/news-banner.fr= ame?/news/date/19970227/news03331.html [InternetShortcut] URL=3Dhttp://www.theautochannel.com:8080/news/date/19970227/news03331.htm= l Modified=3D00F1D3172B18C001DF ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C0183C.69943980-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 18:16:30 2000 From: "Dan Zubkoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:13:13 GMT Subject: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 I recently spoke to the owner of a 1965 SPL310 that is for Sale. Sounds like a decent project car. His family has owned the car since 1975 & he says it is all original, including a soft-top. A few years back, he had the head re-done, but the bottom end still needs attention. There is also several rust spots which may need attention. I haven't seen the car in person. Vin is SPL310 10231. The car is located in Temple City, California. I would love to purchase this one...but I just brought home another new datsun project earlier today. No more room....plus my wife has been more than understanding about having two datsuns.....three would be over the top. Contact Mike at (626) 454-3517 - he wants to sell ASAP! Dan Zubkoff San Mateo, CA 1966 SPL311 1966 CSP311 _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 18:27:17 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "sidney raper" , , Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:21:01 -0400 Subject: Re: '66 interior handle Phil, is that your final answer??????? In a magazine article photo taken when the cars were new, the handle is pictured at the 10:00 position. So Phil, I guess you're WRONG!!!!!! No Million bucks! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sidney raper To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: Re: '66 interior handle > Phil, > > All of the early roadsters that I owned had the handles pointing up. Since > they are on a splined shaft, it is easy to change though. I have even seen > one car with them pointing down. > > Sid > > > >From: "Hall, Phillip" > >Reply-To: "Hall, Phillip" > >To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" > >Subject: '66 interior handle > >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:39:45 -0500 > > > >I just got off Rob's most excellent web site. The archive picture has a > >nice drawing of a '65 interior. I noticed the interior door handle > >pointing > >up. I have always assumed that the handle pointed forward and was parallel > >to the horizon. Is the correct orientation for this handle pointing up? > >Is > >my '66 handle wrong pointing forward? I sure hope not - I have never been > >wrong before......:-) > > > >Phil > >SEROC > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 18:34:51 2000 From: Mike Harper To: Andrew Murphy , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: O.T.- The gap between buying and selling ANDREW, I had a similar excperience with a '66 1600 I saw way out in the Boonies along side the road with a phone # on it. The car was a rag, but it was all there and had some potential. I called, and, I guess, made the mistake of telling him I have one and like them etc, etc. Well, he thought his roadster was worth $3300...Well, maybe to him...Anyway, I tried to talk around it, but he seemed very insulted that I would suggest his price was a little high. Finally I gave up. Mentioned this car to a guy who was admiring mine at a local Z-Car show the next week. He went up there with $1600 cash, and came back with the car. Some people can talk a deal, and then there is me... Mike Harper '66 1600 (and maybe it will always be lonely) Charleston SC --- Andrew Murphy wrote: > List, > > Many of you know I have had my eye on a three seater > for a while now. > Thought I had found a good candidate very near to > where I live. A 64 1500 > listed on Yahoo auctions. Many list members pointed > the car out to me and I > immediatly had a look. > > Car looked pretty good. Dent in passenger door. > Looks like it has been in > the weather for a while. Broken spark plug at base. > Not running. Needs work. > The auction had a start price of 2590.00. I thought > this was a tad high for > a car that needed work and wasn't running, so I > contacted the owner to see > about coming to look at the car. Guy writes back and > says he is a > professional car broker doing his neighbor a favor > in helping him to sell > the car. Apparently the neighbor isn't looking too > favorably on taking any > offers. Wants his price and that is that. > > Now we have gone over and over and over about the > price of these cars. We > know one of the primary factors is condition, > condition, and condition. This > guy wants almost 2600.00 for a non-running, > been-in-the-weather-forever car > without anyone looking at it or inspecting it? I > don't get it. I know if we > are selling we want the most money we can get, but > where is the line drawn? > This guy can offer the car for sale at that price > all he wants. I don't > think he is going to get any takers. I had planned > to offer 1500.00 for the > car. A fair price for a non-running car that needs > work. Am I crazy or just > frustrated? > > Andrew Murphy > SoCalROC > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 18:36:23 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:33:30 EDT Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! In a message dated 9/6/00 4:51:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, srl_spl311sucks@wiremail.net writes: > i do not know why someone would want to steal one of those pitiful little > cars anyway. it would probably break down before they got it out of the > parking lot. if i were to steal a car i would steal a rare classic or a > modern sports car with air conditioning and fuel injection. i would not > steal an overvalued, underpowered, finicky carbureted, mass produced, rust > bucket. if i did consider stealing one of your mg clones i wish you would > shoot me with your smith and wesson. > disgusted in denver LOL this is rich. someone who thinks roadsters "suck" (see email address) and bothers to lurk around on the list, & bothers to have them in his *special* email address tsk tsk. OK - fess up who's having "fun" w/us here eh ?!?!?!? LOL -sounds like some of the trash in the aol chats !!!! More amused than anything else........ Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 19:07:38 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:06:14 EDT Subject: Re: 1969 Roadster "Not For Sale" Thanks to Mark Dent, soon another Roadster will be on the road in Maryland. My hat is off to you. Larry Coughlin 69 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 19:08:58 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Russell Southwell" , Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:04:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Clutch cyl. Russ, I now buy rebuild kits and have the pistons, brake masters and the like resleeved. Not cheaper but they will be rebuildable and will last longer. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Southwell To: datsun roadster mailist Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:43 PM Subject: Clutch cyl. > just finished rebuilding my slave cyl. with a kit from auto zone > bbrakeware part # > 22391 . bendix part# 22391 also 22189. kit consists of plunger,seal, > spring, and > boot $5.00. > also ordered 2 beck and arnley kits from Napa. 7.95 ea as I have two > more > slave cyls to rebuild. one cyl had spring behind the plunger, and the > one on my > 70 1600 only had the plunger and seal, as with my other spare > B/A slave cyl lists at 32.95 both kits and cyl have the same computer > code that > the parts man said is one step above NLA. > got to go hone the other cyls though one has rather deep corrosion, > Russ Southwell 70 1600 > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 19:11:11 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , , <240z-club@peak.org>, Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:06:01 -0400 Subject: Re: '68 Top Bow It's great to have an early car!!!!!! 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; <240z-club@peak.org>; Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: '68 Top Bow > All, > > I began the process of installing my new top last week by removing my old > top. When I removed the old top I found that the Bow is much more damaged > than I had expected. It is actually kinked in the middle. > > Before I begin the process of rebuilding the bow, I am curious to know how > much a new or used one would be. Does anyone have one for sale? > > Regards, > > Jay > Nashville, TN > '68 SPL > SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 19:21:50 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Mike Harper" , Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:17:38 -0400 Subject: Re: O.T.- The gap between buying and selling Mike, "Some people can talk a deal, and then there is me..." Join the club!!!!!!! I saw many overpriced rustajunk Roadsters for sale over the years and the owners always telling me how rare and valuable they are. Many years ago in the late 80s I went to look at a 67.5 2000 that was a hunk a junk w/not one straight panel, a basterdized interior and all kinds of other damage. The guy wanted $3,000 for it and I just stared at him in disbelief. He told me he could sell it in Japan for $15K, so I told him to ship it to Japan! BTW, he also told me he had it up to 150MPH!!!!!!! Yeah right!!!! Then I went around the block to get my Roadster and blew his mind as he had no idea I knew anything about them. Ed Unkle bought the car for about $1,000 and I think he overpaid for what I considered to be at best a parts car only. 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Harper To: Andrew Murphy ; Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:31 PM Subject: Re: O.T.- The gap between buying and selling > ANDREW, > > I had a similar excperience with a '66 1600 I saw way > out in the Boonies along side the road with a phone # > on it. The car was a rag, but it was all there and > had some potential. I called, and, I guess, made the > mistake of telling him I have one and like them etc, > etc. Well, he thought his roadster was worth > $3300...Well, maybe to him...Anyway, I tried to talk > around it, but he seemed very insulted that I would > suggest his price was a little high. Finally I gave > up. Mentioned this car to a guy who was admiring mine > at a local Z-Car show the next week. He went up there > with $1600 cash, and came back with the car. Some > people can talk a deal, and then there is me... > > Mike Harper > '66 1600 (and maybe it will always be lonely) > Charleston SC > --- Andrew Murphy wrote: > > List, > > > > Many of you know I have had my eye on a three seater > > for a while now. > > Thought I had found a good candidate very near to > > where I live. A 64 1500 > > listed on Yahoo auctions. Many list members pointed > > the car out to me and I > > immediatly had a look. > > > > Car looked pretty good. Dent in passenger door. > > Looks like it has been in > > the weather for a while. Broken spark plug at base. > > Not running. Needs work. > > The auction had a start price of 2590.00. I thought > > this was a tad high for > > a car that needed work and wasn't running, so I > > contacted the owner to see > > about coming to look at the car. Guy writes back and > > says he is a > > professional car broker doing his neighbor a favor > > in helping him to sell > > the car. Apparently the neighbor isn't looking too > > favorably on taking any > > offers. Wants his price and that is that. > > > > Now we have gone over and over and over about the > > price of these cars. We > > know one of the primary factors is condition, > > condition, and condition. This > > guy wants almost 2600.00 for a non-running, > > been-in-the-weather-forever car > > without anyone looking at it or inspecting it? I > > don't get it. I know if we > > are selling we want the most money we can get, but > > where is the line drawn? > > This guy can offer the car for sale at that price > > all he wants. I don't > > think he is going to get any takers. I had planned > > to offer 1500.00 for the > > car. A fair price for a non-running car that needs > > work. Am I crazy or just > > frustrated? > > > > Andrew Murphy > > SoCalROC > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > > public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 19:27:44 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: SPL311RDST@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:27:08 EDT Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! I wish I could take the credit, But sorry. My rust bucket, MG knock-off isn't worth as much as this guy must think. Maybe he is that MG guy I keep passing and can never catch up to me!!!! Larry From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 19:33:03 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:32:20 EDT Subject: Re: O.T.- The gap between buying and selling Who was the guy who got him down so much lower??? some of us may need him to help get a better deal when trying to get a car, or anything esle for that matter. I think the key is not to insult the seller at all costs, They get resentful and won't budge out of spite, also they were prohably a little worn down and "say the light by the time your friend got to them. Larry 69 2000 Mikuni From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 19:39:53 2000 From: R Haug To: Jaykp@aol.com, Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:35:27 -0700 Subject: Re: '68 Top Bow Jaykp@aol.com wrote: > Before I begin the process of rebuilding the bow, I am curious to know how > much a new or used one would be. Does anyone have one for sale? Jay, At least one of the venders repairs the bows and either does an exchange or repair and send yours back. I think I saw that CDM does this. The others probably do too. Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 19:54:41 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: "Jaykp@aol.com" Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:57:04 -0700 Subject: Re: '68 Top Bow Yes, CDM does the front bow rebuild and exchange. The work is great and I highly recommend them. I had them do one of mine and it looked better then new. Mike Nowroc R Haug wrote: > Jaykp@aol.com wrote: > > > Before I begin the process of rebuilding the bow, I am curious to know how > > much a new or used one would be. Does anyone have one for sale? > > Jay, > At least one of the venders repairs the bows and either does an exchange or > repair and send yours back. I think I saw that CDM does this. The others > probably do too. > Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 20:18:23 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "datsunmike" , , , Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:23:02 -0500 Subject: Re: '68 Top Bow datsunmike wrote >> I began the process of installing my new top last week by removing my old >> top. When I removed the old top I found that the Bow is much more damaged >> than I had expected. It is actually kinked in the middle. >> >> Before I begin the process of rebuilding the bow, I am curious to know how >> much a new or used one would be. Does anyone have one for sale? >> >> Regards, >> >> Jay >> Nashville, TN >> '68 SPL >> SEROC > Mike Adams (on the list) has a couple reconditioned ones, I think. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 20:22:10 2000 From: Eric Frisbee To: "datsunmike" , , , Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:19:29 -0600 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! Thank you for your opinion, not that it matters much to ANY of us! Kindly stay off our roadster list and go play with your own toys... Eric WyCROC Roadstering in DENVER sar castro wrote: > > i do not know why someone would want to steal one of those pitiful little cars anyway. it would probably break down before they got it out of the parking lot. if i were to steal a car i would steal a rare classic or a modern sports car with air conditioning and fuel injection. i would not steal an overvalued, underpowered, finicky carbureted, mass produced, rust bucket. if i did consider stealing one of your mg clones i wish you would shoot me with your smith and wesson. > disgusted in denver > > --- Russell Southwell > > wrote: > >It takes extreme skill, dedication, and practice to earn even one distiinguished > >medal, > >I'm sorry I never got to meet him. nowadays I'm lucky to even hit a tree let alone > >miseltoe.(thoough I do shoot every weekend.) must be all that welding.(and old age.) > >roadster content... I have two spare turnsignal/dimmer switches one has an exta > >wire lead on it. that oone is a late model switch?? > >Russ Southwell 70 1600 > > > >Mike Poorboy wrote: > > > >> Russell, > >> My father is a retired Navy shooter. He has distinguished medals > >> in Pistol and Rifle, and would have been the first person in the Navy > >> to have one in International Pistol if he would have stayed in a little > >> longer. He was also team manager for the US shooting Team for > >> awhile. Along with two time participant in the Olympic Trials. He > >> use to tell us he would give a robber a head start, but bet they > >> wouldn't make it to the corner. He said this as a joke as we did > >> have two of our cars stolen in California. > >> > >> We never left the house without a gun in the car. .357 magnum > >> in the door panel. It only was used on three occasions that I > >> could remember. One was the shooting of mistletoe (sp) from a > >> tree. We made money as kids bagging and selling it around christmas > >> time. The other two times were to put down dogs that someone hit > >> and left to die along the side of the roads. My father was very upset > >> having to do this. > >> > >> I guess this brings me back to what Jim Tyler said a couple of weeks > >> ago about spending time with our fathers while we can. > >> > >> Mike > >> Nowroc > >> > >> Russell Southwell wrote: > >> > >> > Mines protected by S&W'Colt, Ruger, Marlin,Spriingfield Armory,Berretta, > >> > Brno,Mossberg,EAA,Dakota,Etc. and a kill switch. > >> > Russ Southwell 70 1600 > >> > Ex USN Pistol Team. > >> > > >> > Thomas wrote: > >> > > >> > > If it's protected by Smith & Wesson nobody will mess with it. > >> > > Anyway, it's difficult to stop somebody from taking off with > >> > > your car stereo. I have a Sony that I can take the front > >> > > panel with me and I have an electronic immobilizer to stop > >> > > anyone to drive off with my car(s). I have 3 different lock > >> > > bolts on every wheel. I'm already paying too much for insurance. > >> > > > >> > > Thomas > >> > > In Sweden > >> > > > >> > > Dziuba, Larry schreib: > >> > > > >> > > > It doesn't sound like you are helping by bragging about setting off alarms. > >> > > > If everyone ignores the alarms, then more apathy sets in. What happened to > >> > > > helping out a neighbor. Especially since everyone is supposed to be > >> > > > carrying a cell phone now. It should be like a massive set of extra eyes > >> > > > for the police. Larry in Calgary. > >> > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > From: Hall, Phillip [mailto:Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov] > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM > >> > > > To: 'Andy Cost'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >> > > > Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! > >> > > > > >> > > > Hay all - > >> > > > > >> > > > If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very > >> > > > expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a > >> > > > parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car > >> > > > during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash > >> > > > and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling > >> > > > the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they > >> > > > are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in > >> > > > my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! > >> > > > > >> > > > Phil > >> > > > SEROC > >> > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] > >> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM > >> > > > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >> > > > Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! > >> > > > > >> > > > A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing > >> > > > the > >> > > > gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These > >> > > > sensors are > >> > > > like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get > >> > > > close enough > >> > > > to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on > >> > > > these alarms > >> > > > so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set > >> > > > it so > >> > > > that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger > >> > > > the siren. > >> > > > I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo > >> > > > bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. > >> > > > Andy > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > From: > >> > > > To: > >> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM > >> > > > Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! > >> > > > > >> > > > > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my > >> > > > apartments!!!!! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS > >> > > > in the > >> > > > dust > >> > > > > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side > >> > > > fender. > >> > > > > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious > >> > > > shoe > >> > > > tread > >> > > > > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my > >> > > > car?!?!? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit > >> > > > of a > >> > > > > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door > >> > > > behind > >> > > > you > >> > > > > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed > >> > > > (except > >> > > > > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda > >> > > > been > >> > > > loooong > >> > > > > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english > >> > > > & > >> > > > spanish > >> > > > > reading something to the effect of: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing > >> > > > it... > >> > > > just > >> > > > > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint > >> > > > you'll > >> > > > stick > >> > > > > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you > >> > > > are. There > >> > > > is > >> > > > > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just > >> > > > plain > >> > > > > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money > >> > > > to > >> > > > anyone > >> > > > > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every > >> > > > Roadster > >> > > > > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be > >> > > > taken. > >> > > > > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off > >> > > > into the > >> > > > > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my > >> > > > car, and > >> > > > go > >> > > > > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* > >> > > > > > >> > > > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the > >> > > > Roadster > >> > > > > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up > >> > > > $150K to buy > >> > > > me > >> > > > > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." > >> > > > > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no > >> > > > donations!)**** > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Laurie > >> > > > > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) > >> > > > > 69 SRL311 > >> > > > > Chandler, AZ > >> > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get your very own free E-mail,Free Fax Search multiple search engines in one go join our community,and lots more.... ---> http://www.wiremail.net > > Make money in the e-commerce boom register FREE at http://www.wiremail.net/register_associate.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 20:38:17 2000 From: Eric Frisbee To: "datsunmike" , , , Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:35:25 -0600 Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! Hey Larry! Are you in the Denver area as well?? Guess the guy won't have the guts to take credit for his messages, cause I'd love to meet him in person.. I can imagine what he has now... a *tricked* out '83 Escort Wagon... oh baby, what a ride!! My challenge to Sar Castro is simple... see ya at the next SCCA meet on Sept 24 2000 at Cloverleaf in Loveland, CO! Plenty of Datsun roadsters will be there for ya to insult in person. Eric Dat2000srl@aol.com wrote: > > I wish I could take the credit, But sorry. My rust bucket, MG knock-off isn't > worth as much as this guy must think. Maybe he is that MG guy I keep passing > and can never catch up to me!!!! > > Larry From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 20:57:35 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: efris@home.com Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:56:58 PDT Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! All, I have a simple solution. Let's get the people together who want to rock and put them against any car in its class be they MGs or whatever. Can you imagine it? I know that guys like Craig Carter, Vic Laury, Gary Cohen, Dennis Currington, and a whole mess of BADROC guys out here on the west coast with their "finicky carburetor" cars will be happy to oblige. I am sure Gary Boone and some other 'crossers would love to have a go with the MG or other roadster crowd. Oh yeah. Bring pinks. Andrew Murphy SoCalROC >From: Eric Frisbee >Reply-To: Eric Frisbee >CC: Dat2000srl@aol.com, SPL311RDST@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:35:25 -0600 > >Hey Larry! > Are you in the Denver area as well?? Guess the guy won't have the >guts to take credit for his messages, cause I'd love to meet him in >person.. I can imagine what he has now... a *tricked* out '83 Escort >Wagon... oh baby, what a ride!! > >My challenge to Sar Castro is simple... see ya at the next SCCA meet on >Sept 24 2000 at Cloverleaf in Loveland, CO! Plenty of Datsun roadsters >will be there for ya to insult in person. > >Eric > > >Dat2000srl@aol.com wrote: > > > > I wish I could take the credit, But sorry. My rust bucket, MG knock-off >isn't > > worth as much as this guy must think. Maybe he is that MG guy I keep >passing > > and can never catch up to me!!!! > > > > Larry _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 20:59:39 2000 From: "Dan and Louise Yates" To: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:29:16 -0600 Subject: Re: 1500 Tranny I use dirt and cruddy oil drippings for most of my vehicles. Dan Yates ----- Original Message ----- From: Blair, Joe To: Team Newsletter (E-mail) Sent: September 6, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: 1500 Tranny > What is everyone using for gasket material for the dipstick / fill hole. > Mine is sloppy and leaks. > > Joe Blair > 1964 SPL310 #02775 > Granite Bay, Ca. > jblair@roseville.ca.us > jblair@rcsis.com > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 20:59:49 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:12:31 EDT Subject: New website index. Hello lists In response to a few E-Mails and to assist navigation, there is now a full 'Main Index' covering the individual web topics on the Register's site. I'd considered frame sets but this was still going to be fairly unweildy, in view of the ever increasing content. New Index URL is:- http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Index.htm The introduction page remains, carrying a link to the new page, and is less content rich than before, hence (hopefully) quicker download times. Trust it's easier and thanks for the feedback. (Roadster Content - thanks also to all for the brake hose advice - I found a set today (through Nissan) but your responses are appreciated). Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 20:59:57 2000 From: sar castro To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! i do not know why someone would want to steal one of those pitiful little cars anyway. it would probably break down before they got it out of the parking lot. if i were to steal a car i would steal a rare classic or a modern sports car with air conditioning and fuel injection. i would not steal an overvalued, underpowered, finicky carbureted, mass produced, rust bucket. if i did consider stealing one of your mg clones i wish you would shoot me with your smith and wesson. disgusted in denver --- Russell Southwell > wrote: >It takes extreme skill, dedication, and practice to earn even one distiinguished >medal, >I'm sorry I never got to meet him. nowadays I'm lucky to even hit a tree let alone >miseltoe.(thoough I do shoot every weekend.) must be all that welding.(and old age.) >roadster content... I have two spare turnsignal/dimmer switches one has an exta >wire lead on it. that oone is a late model switch?? >Russ Southwell 70 1600 > >Mike Poorboy wrote: > >> Russell, >> My father is a retired Navy shooter. He has distinguished medals >> in Pistol and Rifle, and would have been the first person in the Navy >> to have one in International Pistol if he would have stayed in a little >> longer. He was also team manager for the US shooting Team for >> awhile. Along with two time participant in the Olympic Trials. He >> use to tell us he would give a robber a head start, but bet they >> wouldn't make it to the corner. He said this as a joke as we did >> have two of our cars stolen in California. >> >> We never left the house without a gun in the car. .357 magnum >> in the door panel. It only was used on three occasions that I >> could remember. One was the shooting of mistletoe (sp) from a >> tree. We made money as kids bagging and selling it around christmas >> time. The other two times were to put down dogs that someone hit >> and left to die along the side of the roads. My father was very upset >> having to do this. >> >> I guess this brings me back to what Jim Tyler said a couple of weeks >> ago about spending time with our fathers while we can. >> >> Mike >> Nowroc >> >> Russell Southwell wrote: >> >> > Mines protected by S&W'Colt, Ruger, Marlin,Spriingfield Armory,Berretta, >> > Brno,Mossberg,EAA,Dakota,Etc. and a kill switch. >> > Russ Southwell 70 1600 >> > Ex USN Pistol Team. >> > >> > Thomas wrote: >> > >> > > If it's protected by Smith & Wesson nobody will mess with it. >> > > Anyway, it's difficult to stop somebody from taking off with >> > > your car stereo. I have a Sony that I can take the front >> > > panel with me and I have an electronic immobilizer to stop >> > > anyone to drive off with my car(s). I have 3 different lock >> > > bolts on every wheel. I'm already paying too much for insurance. >> > > >> > > Thomas >> > > In Sweden >> > > >> > > Dziuba, Larry schreib: >> > > >> > > > It doesn't sound like you are helping by bragging about setting off alarms. >> > > > If everyone ignores the alarms, then more apathy sets in. What happened to >> > > > helping out a neighbor. Especially since everyone is supposed to be >> > > > carrying a cell phone now. It should be like a massive set of extra eyes >> > > > for the police. Larry in Calgary. >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Hall, Phillip [mailto:Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov] >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM >> > > > To: 'Andy Cost'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >> > > > Subject: RE: quit messing with my car !!!! >> > > > >> > > > Hay all - >> > > > >> > > > If your area is like this one - alarms are worthless. I guy had his very >> > > > expensive stereo ripped from his Honda in broad daylight. It was in a >> > > > parking garage and the police said at least 50 people walked by the car >> > > > during and after the fact. The car had the alarm blaring, doors open, dash >> > > > and interior panels torn apart. The when questioned about nobody calling >> > > > the police, the police said people completely ignore car alarms because they >> > > > are always going off for no reason. True - I can drive by a line of cars in >> > > > my Roadster in first gear at 5000 and set alarms off - great fun! >> > > > >> > > > Phil >> > > > SEROC >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Andy Cost [SMTP:andycost@worldnet.att.net] >> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:54 PM >> > > > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >> > > > Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! >> > > > >> > > > A warning sign would only make it worse. It's kind of like throwing >> > > > the >> > > > gauntlet. I would suggest an alarm with a motion sensor. These >> > > > sensors are >> > > > like the ones in the automatic doors at Wal-Mart. When you get >> > > > close enough >> > > > to the door it magically opens. You can set the sensitivity on >> > > > these alarms >> > > > so that someone mearly walking by could set it off, or you could set >> > > > it so >> > > > that someone would have to get in the car before it would trigger >> > > > the siren. >> > > > I know alarms don't really deter professional car thieves and stereo >> > > > bandits, but it would keep meddling kids away. >> > > > Andy >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: >> > > > To: >> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:47 PM >> > > > Subject: quit messing with my car !!!! >> > > > >> > > > > GrrrRRRRR !!!! venting time....... >> > > > > >> > > > > I've had it w/the folks who roam the parking lot @ my >> > > > apartments!!!!! >> > > > > >> > > > > Several months ago: went out to my roadster, found big ASS PRINTS >> > > > in the >> > > > dust >> > > > > (it's arizona,,,, you get lots of that here) on my driver's side >> > > > fender. >> > > > > Dammit - you don't SIT on other people's cars!!!!! >> > > > > >> > > > > Coupla' weeks after that: found driver's DOOR KICKED IN - obvious >> > > > shoe >> > > > tread >> > > > > prints in the middle. It mostly popped out but GEEZ ! Why my >> > > > car?!?!? >> > > > > >> > > > > This morning: glanced out to lot - DOORS OPEN. Sure - it's a bit >> > > > of a >> > > > > curiosity, but J.H.C.!!- at least bother to shut the flipping door >> > > > behind >> > > > you >> > > > > after you gawk at it so I don't freak out. Nothing was disturbed >> > > > (except >> > > > > ME!), but if someone knew what they were doing, the car woulda >> > > > been >> > > > loooong >> > > > > gone. (ign sw temp. routed to the glove box - wires right there) >> > > > > >> > > > > I'm condsiedering a printed warning in both english >> > > > & >> > > > spanish >> > > > > reading something to the effect of: >> > > > > >> > > > > *WARNING - Do NOT mess with this car. Don't even consider stealing >> > > > it... >> > > > just >> > > > > look at it- if you don't think that w/the bright red/white paint >> > > > you'll >> > > > stick >> > > > > out like a sore thumb you are even more stupid than I think you >> > > > are. There >> > > > is >> > > > > NO stereo in this vehicle. Stealing a 30 year-old AM radio is just >> > > > plain >> > > > > idiotic. The steel wheels this car sits on are NOT worth any money >> > > > to >> > > > anyone >> > > > > else. You cannot dismantle this car & sell it for parts, as every >> > > > Roadster >> > > > > owner in North America will know who you are and action WILL be >> > > > taken. >> > > > > Grievous Bodily Harm will result, and you will be taken far off >> > > > into the >> > > > > desert and fed to the buzzards. Now get your grubby paws OFF my >> > > > car, and >> > > > go >> > > > > pick on someone else's Honda if you must.* >> > > > > >> > > > > WAH!!! - I want a house w/a garage. A nice safe cozy place for the >> > > > Roadster >> > > > > to sleep. Maybe in the spirit of "save Randy" I can gather up >> > > > $150K to buy >> > > > me >> > > > > a garage w/attached house....."It's for the Roadster." >> > > > > ***Note: just kidding there - no flames!! (and certainly no >> > > > donations!)**** >> > > > > >> > > > > ok.. getting silly I must be over it already. Thanks! >> > > > > >> > > > > Laurie >> > > > > 70 SPL311 (the object of ill-doers affection) >> > > > > 69 SRL311 >> > > > > Chandler, AZ >> > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Get your very own free E-mail,Free Fax Search multiple search engines in one go join our community,and lots more.... ---> http://www.wiremail.net Make money in the e-commerce boom register FREE at http://www.wiremail.net/register_associate.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 21:31:55 2000 From: Ken Smart To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:35:54 +1000 Subject: OT off topic hybrid car stuff (long) This story is sort of interesting and car related but not roadster related. Where I work(CSIRO), I work in the electromagnetics and antennas group, I work in antennas but some of the group work on electric motors. Recently they worked on a number of hybrid cars. One was for a consortium of parts manufactures to flog there technology round the world. Anyway one of the guys Stephen is just back from Korea and Japan. They went to a motor show in Korea then visited car manufactures in Korea then on to Japan. He was amazed at the size of the car manufactures, they would set up the car like on a motor show stand and employees and even directors of the companies would visit and hear presentations on the car. From the pictures he showed this took place in the foyer very large room. At Toyota while they were standing around talking the staff etc the word came round that Dr Toyota (son or descendant of original Mr Toyota) was coming down to see the car. Well this caused a great deal of panic and excitement amongst the Toyota staff, one came up to Stephen grabbed him and said excitedly "Dr Toyota is coming!" When he arrived they were just about bowing on the floor. We could not think of anyone in out organization or even country that would command that much respect. Toyota produce a serial-(electric-hybrid) car and apparently hope to have all their cars hybrid by 2005. Everywhere they went they were put in very nice surroundings except Subaru where they were in an old shed. When they asked why they were told the parent company is in financial trouble and taking money out to save its self. Here are some links with some info on the car.(the actual car is a lime green colour designed to look good 'under lights' but thas about the only place) http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/csiro.html http://www.australiaforbusiness.com.au/industries/ausindustry_case.asp?Indus tryID=20&IndustryCSID=113 Ken Smart 67.5 1600(sr20de) Sydney Australia Also...the following is from an email written by Stephen regarding a fuel cell car to be used at the Olympics (just down the road from where we work). General Motors Opel in Germany have developed a fuel cell powered concept car, that was unveiled for the first time to the public at the Geneva Motor Show (March 2, 2000). The car uses a 55 kW electric motor and a hydrogen-air fuel cell. It has a range of about 400 km on a `tank full', 70 litres, of liquid hydrogen. For further information see http://www.generalmotors.com/news/events/geneva00/e/fuel-cell.htm The car is to play a key role in the games, being the lead vehicle in both the mens and womens marathon. The cars will also be part of a number of world media events. The car requires liquid hydrogen and no liquid hydrogen is produced in Australia. So you guessed it, we with GM-Opel and Messer are setting up over the next couple of weeks to produce liquid hydrogen. In the next few days about a tonne of cryogenic equipment will arrive from Germany, followed in a week or so by two cars. About 12 to 16 Opel engineers will also come, so these will be seen around the lab. It is necessary to liquefy the hydrogen in the courtyard near cryogenics, so there may be some restrictions on people using this area. Smokers take note !!!!! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 21:45:44 2000 From: "Mike Adams" To: efris@home.com Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:52:40 +0000 Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! Raz - oops sorry got it backwards ! - Sar, Warning to you sir - Eric is second generation Roadster nut. Sar said a classic - I picture him more as a Hugo man myself. Mike From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 22:03:45 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: 311 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:06:09 -0700 Subject: Re: One more time with the tranny:-) Welding up 5th gear is tricky because the gear is heat-treated. I don't think I'd trust the average machine shop to do it. Kyle Hagemann wrote: > Hi gang- > > Yes, I'm still procrastinating myself away from my Roadster.... > but I'm running out of side-jobs to keep me busy, so I guess I'll > be embracing the inevitable this weekend. > > Can someone explain to me how to tell if my fifth gear needs > fixing? I'll have that off as part of my repair, and don't want > to wind up with 5th gear neutral after all these long months. > > And, time being the issue that it is, is this a repair that can > be accomplished by a local machine shop vs. one of our vendors? > > No disrespect, I'm just trying to get this beast back on the > road ASAP - don't want to wait for UPS turnaround time. > > Thanks gang! > ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond > _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast > | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk > `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, engine/trans out, making a big mess > ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max > http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 6 22:53:34 2000 From: Toby B To: a roadster list Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:50:31 -0700 Subject: OT: When you hit Reply... Please, all, When you "reply" delete most of the junk underneath your post- I went to digest mode a while back to keep ahead of my mail, and some of these 'replies' get up to ten layers of >>>>>>>>! Thanks! Roadster content- since I've torn my garage apart, the roadster is no longer a garage queen. Now, since it's first in line in the driveway, I even drive it in the rain! A few naggling little problems really need help, but it's fun anyway! 1600 Roadster story, with a question- when I rebuilt my engine, the head had been milled a bunch. I cc'd it, and figured with flattops, I'd get in the 8.5:1 compression ratio. Which I did. But since then, I've had real problems with rocker noise. Now my rocker assembly isn't in great shape, but I didn't think it was too bad, and it IS getting oil. Valves are new in the last 7500 miles... I'm lashing down to .015, and it's still pretty noisy- any ideas, all? New rocker bushings? New rockers? Thanks again, Toby B From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 00:27:17 2000 From: "fredkatz" To: "Dan Zubkoff" , Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:26:43 -0700 Subject: Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 Okay, Dan is passing up on a 1500 deal, and has another project to tinker with. Just what could be better than that 1500? Real sneaky with the hints, Dan! Fred - So.SF, CA '66 SPL311 2L '68 SPL311 '68 SRL311 '70 SPL311 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Zubkoff" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:13 PM Subject: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > I recently spoke to the owner of a 1965 SPL310 that is for Sale. Sounds like > a decent project car. > > His family has owned the car since 1975 & he says it is all original, > including a soft-top. A few years back, he had the head re-done, but the > bottom end still needs attention. There is also several rust spots which may > need attention. I haven't seen the car in person. > > Vin is SPL310 10231. > > The car is located in Temple City, California. > > I would love to purchase this one...but I just brought home another new > datsun project earlier today. No more room....plus my wife has been more > than understanding about having two datsuns.....three would be over the top. > > Contact Mike at (626) 454-3517 - he wants to sell ASAP! > > Dan Zubkoff > San Mateo, CA > 1966 SPL311 > 1966 CSP311 > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 01:29:23 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: solex67@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 03:27:30 EDT Subject: Re: Pressure Tactics << I told him I was not some rube falling off the turnip truck. The old "I've got someone coming by later who is interested in the car" gag doesn't work with me anymore. Neither does bait-and-switch, or the "I've got to get my boss's/wife's/husband's O.K. on this" routine. It's insulting. >> Funny thing is that I had a very similiar experience too. I had about $6500 to buy a nice little toy to drive around. I went to look at a mid-70's Land Cruiser. Nicely rebuilt but far from the 6800 they wanted. I offer $6300 and they said no because they had another person waiting to buy it tomorrow for $6500. I walked away and couldn't have mae a better decision because the very next day I bought my very first Roadster, a Datsun 1600 for around $1500. I died in my garage when I got it home but that is another story. So... I guess that I was very lucky I didnt fall for the "routine" sell. Michael "Calspeed" Carion 67.5 SRL311-000248 Solex BADROC Michael From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 01:39:37 2000 From: "Dan Zubkoff" To: fredkatz@2xtreme.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 07:39:13 GMT Subject: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 Yes,I have recently picked up a new addition to the Datsun Family.....a 1966 Nissan Silvia. I just retrieved the car from the Shipping Docks in Oakland. I had the car imported from Hawaii. Rumor has it that approx. 9 Silvias were exported to countries other than Australia. It appears that this car may have been sold brand new in Hawaii -- the title has a 'date sold new' with a date of 8/29/1966. I was shocked to find that the car started right up and ran really well when I picked it up from the docks. Cosmetically, the car could use some serious work....but all in good time. Dan Zubkoff San Mateo, CA 1966 SPL311 1966 CSP311 >From: "fredkatz" >Reply-To: "fredkatz" >To: "Dan Zubkoff" , >Subject: Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:26:43 -0700 > >Okay, Dan is passing up on a 1500 deal, and has another project to tinker >with. Just what could be better than that 1500? Real sneaky with the hints, >Dan! > >Fred - So.SF, CA >'66 SPL311 2L >'68 SPL311 >'68 SRL311 >'70 SPL311 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Zubkoff" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:13 PM >Subject: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > > > > I recently spoke to the owner of a 1965 SPL310 that is for Sale. Sounds >like > > a decent project car. > > > > His family has owned the car since 1975 & he says it is all original, > > including a soft-top. A few years back, he had the head re-done, but the > > bottom end still needs attention. There is also several rust spots which >may > > need attention. I haven't seen the car in person. > > > > Vin is SPL310 10231. > > > > The car is located in Temple City, California. > > > > I would love to purchase this one...but I just brought home another new > > datsun project earlier today. No more room....plus my wife has been more > > than understanding about having two datsuns.....three would be over the >top. > > > > Contact Mike at (626) 454-3517 - he wants to sell ASAP! > > > > Dan Zubkoff > > San Mateo, CA > > 1966 SPL311 > > 1966 CSP311 > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 06:03:34 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 07:01:02 -0500 Subject: Re: OT off topic hybrid car stuff (long) Ken, Thanks for the info -- interesting stuff! Here is the USA we have a GM Electric Vehicle -ev1- that is a very quick little two seater couple. Looks like a scaled down Citron (French - not common in USA) of years gone by. 0 to 60 in 7.0 seconds, and with NiMH batteries it can go about 140 mile (range) while still at 70 mph! Of interest to roadster fans is Suzuki has taken the FWD electrics of the GM vehicle, mounted it mid ship to make a small RWD vehicle. All aluminum two seater, ala Porsche Boxster, that weighs in around 1360 pounds (less batteries). Topless fun! For "emergency use only" is a 400cc gas engine to drive the front wheel to return to a charging station. Recently in California & Arizona, they have passed laws allowing ZEV (Zero Emission Vehicle -- either electric or compressed natural gas) to use Commuter Lanes with single occupants. For a Roadster... there is not enough room for the battery packs with the frame in place. Yes, a low windshield car would be ideal due to low drag, but really needs about 12 battaries to get reasonable range & speed. Cheers, Tom Walter Austin, TX. P.S. Fun thing is I get to do this for a living... love my job, but at times it is just too frustrating with paperwork! ;-( From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 07:52:35 2000 From: sar castro To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! i am glad you picked a challenge that i can win. if you had suggested a "polishing with a diaper" or "dragging up old part numbers" challenge i would have been dramatically disadvantaged. those activities seem to be the specialty of the demographic on this list. boomers! you are all going to ruin my social security. i will be there on the 24th to meet your challenge. just look for the guy in the yugo with an 83 escort wagon motor. you can not miss me. do not bring your pink slip. as i said before, i dont want one of those junk piles. discountenancing in denver --- Eric Frisbee > wrote: >Hey Larry! > Are you in the Denver area as well?? Guess the guy won't have the >guts to take credit for his messages, cause I'd love to meet him in >person.. I can imagine what he has now... a *tricked* out '83 Escort >Wagon... oh baby, what a ride!! > >My challenge to Sar Castro is simple... see ya at the next SCCA meet on >Sept 24 2000 at Cloverleaf in Loveland, CO! Plenty of Datsun roadsters >will be there for ya to insult in person. > >Eric > > >Dat2000srl@aol.com wrote: >> >> I wish I could take the credit, But sorry. My rust bucket, MG knock-off isn't >> worth as much as this guy must think. Maybe he is that MG guy I keep passing >> and can never catch up to me!!!! >> >> Larry _____________________________________________________________ Get your very own free E-mail,Free Fax Search multiple search engines in one go join our community,and lots more.... ---> http://www.wiremail.net Make money in the e-commerce boom register FREE at http://www.wiremail.net/register_associate.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 08:06:18 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Ken Smart" , Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:10:14 -0500 Subject: Re: OT off topic hybrid car stuff (long) Ken Smart wrote >Everywhere they went they were put in very nice surroundings except Subaru >where they were in an old shed. When they asked why they were told the >parent company is in financial trouble and taking money out to save its self. I knew it!! Paul Hogan is bleeding the company dry! ;-) -Marc ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 08:34:36 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 07:33:09 -0700 Subject: Re: quit messing with my car !!!! Here's an ideal candidate for that "Message Filters" function in Netscape Communicator (I'm sure other e-mail programs have it, too). Gary McCormick San Jose, CA sar castro wrote: > i do not know why someone would want to steal one of those pitiful little cars anyway. it would probably break down before they got it out of the parking lot. if i were to steal a car i would steal a rare classic or a modern sports car with air conditioning and fuel injection. i would not steal an overvalued, underpowered, finicky carbureted, mass produced, rust bucket. if i did consider stealing one of your mg clones i wish you would shoot me with your smith and wesson. > disgusted in denver From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 08:40:19 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: Paul <9laser3@bright.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 07:38:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Sept R&T?????? Accompanying a road test shoot out between the Honda S2000, the BMW M3, the Audi TT convertible and the Porsche Boxster S, the Sept R&T had an article in which various R&T staffers relate their experiences with convertibles: how, when, why they first fell in love w/ragtops. One of their staffers relates the kick he got out of a ride in a '68 Roadster (a 2000, I think - I don't have the magazine at hand to double check). Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Paul wrote: > Jerry, > > Do I have to run to the news stand this morning, or would you please > enlighten us Car & Driver, Motor Trend, Grassroots Motorsports, ZCCD > subscribers. I can only assume this must be a Nissan/Renault announcement? > > Paul > OROC > -----Original Message----- > From: jerry gallagher > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.Team.Net > Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 10:51 PM > Subject: September Road and Track > > >Has anyone read page 73 of the September Road & Track? > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 08:51:10 2000 From: Dan Neff To: list roadster Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WyCROC web updates Braggin' time... WyCROC has registered their internet name! We're now: http://www.wycroc.org! Pretty cool, huh? For those of you that have us bookmarked or linked via http://www.ibarter.com/wycroc, that's cool - it's the same place, just harder to remember. However, if you're pointing to our original location, the pathetically slow members.xoom.com, please update. Meanwhile, while you're waiting for that compile to finish, DO check out the website! We've made a BUNCH of updates; mostly '.1' (dot-1 release) type stuff. But check it out anyway. We've got buttons! We've got more photo's, more "Members" pages, cars & parts for sale, etc.! Oh well. I was bored.. :) dan neff '69 2000 Colorado Springs, CO www.wycroc.org __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 09:04:40 2000 From: "Chris" To: "Datsun roadster list" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:58:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Any techniques for getting new Tach cable installed? I did it not too long ago (on my '70 1600) - as I recall I removed the driver's seat and steering wheel for more comfortable access. I took out the speedometer and was able to screw the tach cable in without too much difficulty. You may also want to consider replacing the seals at the distributor while the thing's apart. good luck From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 09:18:38 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: Marc Tyler Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:17:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Red-line gear oil Marc, Strange you should ask! a few weeks ago I found a shop here in Austin that stocks Red Line! 2 days ago I found a parts house that stocks it too, but at a lower price! Let me know what you want and I can pick it up for you and have it when we get together in a week and a half. For those in the Austin area, Vans Auto Parts has Redline in their warehouse, but will send it out to their stores if requested. Peace, Pat -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 09:20:28 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'Toby B'" , Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:18:58 -0700 Subject: RE: When you hit Reply... >Toby B Wrote - OT: When you hit Reply... Please, all, When you "reply" delete most of the junk underneath your post- I went to digest mode a while back to keep ahead of my mail, and some of these 'replies' get up to ten layers of >>>>>>>>! YES! PLEASE! In Digest mode this is a major annoyance as well as taking up band width and causing Mark Bradakis to need even a LARGER Computer to run the list! >I even drive it in the rain! What is this "rain" stuff? Is that, wet, watery stuff that falls from the sky? Very dry in SoCal Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 09:34:41 2000 From: "David A. Fox" To: srl_spl311sucks@wiremail.net Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:33:49 EDT Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! J E R K Of course not only is this individual a jerk but he (or she) doesn't even have the kahonas to actually sign his name when he jumps on a list which he claims contains information about topics he has no interest in. Brains - Not - or this person wouldn't waste his time or ours with his stupid comments. Maybe you should just go back to the southwest side of town where the clientele is more to your liking. Unrespectably DAFox ----Original Message Follows---- From: sar castro Reply-To: sar castro To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:50:54 -0700 (PDT) i am glad you picked a challenge that i can win. if you had suggested a "polishing with a diaper" or "dragging up old part numbers" challenge i would have been dramatically disadvantaged. those activities seem to be the specialty of the demographic on this list. boomers! you are all going to ruin my social security. i will be there on the 24th to meet your challenge. just look for the guy in the yugo with an 83 escort wagon motor. you can not miss me. do not bring your pink slip. as i said before, i dont want one of those junk piles. discountenancing in denver --- Eric Frisbee > wrote: >Hey Larry! > Are you in the Denver area as well?? Guess the guy won't have the >guts to take credit for his messages, cause I'd love to meet him in >person.. I can imagine what he has now... a *tricked* out '83 Escort >Wagon... oh baby, what a ride!! > >My challenge to Sar Castro is simple... see ya at the next SCCA meet on >Sept 24 2000 at Cloverleaf in Loveland, CO! Plenty of Datsun roadsters >will be there for ya to insult in person. > >Eric > > >Dat2000srl@aol.com wrote: >> >> I wish I could take the credit, But sorry. My rust bucket, MG knock-off isn't >> worth as much as this guy must think. Maybe he is that MG guy I keep passing >> and can never catch up to me!!!! >> >> Larry _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 09:51:20 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: dafox1@hotmail.com, srl_spl311sucks@wiremail.net Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:50:53 EDT Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! Given the description that our "friend" gave of his car (Yugo with an Escort engine) I have to agree with Laurie. Jolly good joke! Sid >From: "David A. Fox" >Reply-To: "David A. Fox" >To: srl_spl311sucks@wiremail.net >CC: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:33:49 EDT > >J E R K > >Of course not only is this individual a jerk but he (or she) doesn't even >have the kahonas to actually sign his name when he jumps on a list which he >claims contains information about topics he has no interest in. > >Brains - Not - or this person wouldn't waste his time or ours with his >stupid comments. > >Maybe you should just go back to the southwest side of town where the >clientele is more to your liking. > > >Unrespectably >DAFox > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: sar castro >Reply-To: sar castro >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:50:54 -0700 (PDT) > >i am glad you picked a challenge that i can win. if you had suggested a >"polishing with a diaper" or "dragging up old part numbers" challenge i >would have been dramatically disadvantaged. those activities seem to be >the >specialty of the demographic on this list. boomers! you are all going to >ruin my social security. i will be there on the 24th to meet your >challenge. just look for the guy in the yugo with an 83 escort wagon >motor. > you can not miss me. do not bring your pink slip. as i said before, i >dont want one of those junk piles. >discountenancing in denver > >--- Eric Frisbee > > wrote: > >Hey Larry! > > Are you in the Denver area as well?? Guess the guy won't have the > >guts to take credit for his messages, cause I'd love to meet him in > >person.. I can imagine what he has now... a *tricked* out '83 Escort > >Wagon... oh baby, what a ride!! > > > >My challenge to Sar Castro is simple... see ya at the next SCCA meet on > >Sept 24 2000 at Cloverleaf in Loveland, CO! Plenty of Datsun roadsters > >will be there for ya to insult in person. > > > >Eric > > > > > >Dat2000srl@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> I wish I could take the credit, But sorry. My rust bucket, MG >knock-off >isn't > >> worth as much as this guy must think. Maybe he is that MG guy I keep >passing > >> and can never catch up to me!!!! > >> > >> Larry > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 09:57:03 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: dafox1@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:56:34 PDT Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! All, I wasn't going to jump into this. It will amount to nothing but name calling and flames. Just ignore the guy and he will eventually get bored and go away. I care nothing for what people think about my car. It's MY car, not theirs. If he doesn't like them, DON'T BUY ONE. We all love the cars, that's why we are here. Plus because our list is relatively small, we treat each other with dignity and respect. This guy is just trying to get a rise out of us. Let us as one list convince this guy he is wasting his time as his opinions mean about as much to us as ours does to him. So if you see an email from him on the list, exercise your right to hit the delete key and pour water on his flames. As my dad says: "Acknowledged. Move on." Andrew Murphy SoCalROC >From: "David A. Fox" >Reply-To: "David A. Fox" >To: srl_spl311sucks@wiremail.net >CC: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:33:49 EDT > >J E R K > >Of course not only is this individual a jerk but he (or she) doesn't even >have the kahonas to actually sign his name when he jumps on a list which he >claims contains information about topics he has no interest in. > >Brains - Not - or this person wouldn't waste his time or ours with his >stupid comments. > >Maybe you should just go back to the southwest side of town where the >clientele is more to your liking. > > >Unrespectably >DAFox > > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 10:00:31 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:59:55 -0500 Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! Folks, just ignore this one. A school game is "who can get the most flames". Usually their is more than one person, but they start out on a newsgroups and seem reasonable, then start posting really off the wall stuff. The various students pick various newsgroups to see who can generate the most flames on it. Well, one of those managed to wondering into the roadster group. Perhaps he is the grandson of a famous poet who never bothered with caps. Then again maybe he/she has a reading assignment of Emma & Jane Eyre to complete, but doesn't understand those books. Then again, someone with too much time on their hands. filters work great, Cheers, Tom Walter Austin, TX sar castro wrote: > i am glad you picked a challenge that i can win. if you had suggested a "polishing with a diaper" or "dragging up old part numbers" challenge i would have been dramatically disadvantaged. those activities seem to be the specialty of the demographic on this list. boomers! you are all going to ruin my social security. i will be there on the 24th to meet your challenge. just look for the guy in the yugo with an 83 escort wagon motor. you can not miss me. do not bring your pink slip. as i said before, i dont want one of those junk piles. > discountenancing in denver > > --- Eric Frisbee > > wrote: > >Hey Larry! > > Are you in the Denver area as well?? Guess the guy won't have the > >guts to take credit for his messages, cause I'd love to meet him in > >person.. I can imagine what he has now... a *tricked* out '83 Escort > >Wagon... oh baby, what a ride!! > > > >My challenge to Sar Castro is simple... see ya at the next SCCA meet on > >Sept 24 2000 at Cloverleaf in Loveland, CO! Plenty of Datsun roadsters > >will be there for ya to insult in person. > > > >Eric > > > > > >Dat2000srl@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> I wish I could take the credit, But sorry. My rust bucket, MG knock-off isn't > >> worth as much as this guy must think. Maybe he is that MG guy I keep passing > >> and can never catch up to me!!!! > >> > >> Larry > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get your very own free E-mail,Free Fax Search multiple search engines in one go join our community,and lots more.... ---> http://www.wiremail.net > > Make money in the e-commerce boom register FREE at http://www.wiremail.net/register_associate.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 10:11:20 2000 From: Douglas E Noble To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:05:54 +0000 Subject: STOP IT Re[2]: who is this character?!?! Okay everyone, doesn't this gentleman's name "Sar Castro", sound too suspiciously like "SarCastic" !?!?!? Look at his e-mail address. Just ignore it! And we can go more important things in life. Doug Noble SPL311-25006 Vienna, Virginia ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! Author: "David A. Fox" at NetTalk Date: 9/7/2000 10:33 AM J E R K Of course not only is this individual a jerk but he (or she) doesn't even have the kahonas to actually sign his name when he jumps on a list which he claims contains information about topics he has no interest in. Brains - Not - or this person wouldn't waste his time or ours with his stupid comments. Maybe you should just go back to the southwest side of town where the clientele is more to your liking. Unrespectably DAFox ----Original Message Follows---- From: sar castro Reply-To: sar castro To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: who is this character?!?! Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:50:54 -0700 (PDT) i am glad you picked a challenge that i can win. if you had suggested a "polishing with a diaper" or "dragging up old part numbers" challenge i would have been dramatically disadvantaged. those activities seem to be the specialty of the demographic on this list. boomers! you are all going to ruin my social security. i will be there on the 24th to meet your challenge. just look for the guy in the yugo with an 83 escort wagon motor. you can not miss me. do not bring your pink slip. as i said before, i dont want one of those junk piles. discountenancing in denver --- Eric Frisbee > wrote: >Hey Larry! > Are you in the Denver area as well?? Guess the guy won't have the >guts to take credit for his messages, cause I'd love to meet him in >person.. I can imagine what he has now... a *tricked* out '83 Escort >Wagon... oh baby, what a ride!! > >My challenge to Sar Castro is simple... see ya at the next SCCA meet on >Sept 24 2000 at Cloverleaf in Loveland, CO! Plenty of Datsun roadsters >will be there for ya to insult in person. > >Eric > > >Dat2000srl@aol.com wrote: >> >> I wish I could take the credit, But sorry. My rust bucket, MG knock-off isn't >> worth as much as this guy must think. Maybe he is that MG guy I keep passing >> and can never catch up to me!!!! >> >> Larry _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 13:21:28 2000 From: "Michael Tarelka" To: "Calvin Grandy" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:25:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Any techniques for getting new Tach cable installed? Calvin, Thanks for the info - Could you point me to a web page or document that shows how to take the dash off? Thanks, Michael Tarelka From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 14:05:59 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: "Michael Tarelka" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:12:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Any techniques for getting new Tach cable installed? Michael The tach cable can be replaced from under the dash. It is all in the fingers, and perhaps an assortment of slip joint pliers. I have connected and disconnected mine several times. It can be very difficult to get a tight fitting loose, but relax your self from time to time and put the effort to turning the fitting, not in resisting your contorted upside down position. If you have short fingers and fat hands, you are home free! Buy some beer and get someone else to do it! Dropping the steering shaft mount can give you a bit more room. I could not get the tach unit out of the dash! My hands are too large to manipulate the wing nuts that retain the unit. I took the dash off. Regards Calvin Grandy Vermont ----- Original Message ----- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 16:38:50 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:37:49 PDT Subject: Just trying to keep it together Hello All, Many of you know that I intend to put my car in for restoration in the spring of next year. I am in the parts buying phase right now. I have not really put any dough directly into my 67 2000 for a while now. Recently, I noticed that engine oil has come up the speedo cable and has collected in a small pool at the bottom of the gauge. It also has stained the dash. Now I am militant about my fluid levels because I know that I have an oil leak at the back of the head. I have always figured "Well, the engine is going to be totally rebuilt next year" and have not worried too much about it. He still runs strong as ever. Does this sound serious to anyone? I just want to drive the hell out of this car while I have it. Because next spring he will be going away for who knows how long. Just trying to keep it together, Andrew Murphy 67 2000 Solex SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 17:05:45 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: Robert.Long@CSDInc.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:05:10 GMT Subject: Re: OT - 510 Appreciation My first car was a Datsun 1600 (as they're referred to here) 510. Yes, it's a 1600 ohc - quite different from the roadster motors (L series?), and independant rear end. Those things handle really well, they're light, the standard exhaust manifold was a set of 4-2-1 headers, and it had the smallest turning circle of any car I've ever owned. Certainly I miss that car! Had some great times in it. The only car I've had since that I haven't thought "Gee, I wish it was the Datsun" is my Roadster! On that note, though, has anyone tried putting an IRS rear end into a roadster? Might make an interesting project - kind of "what if they'd kept them going" sort of thing. Cheers, Steve ('68 2000) >From: Robert.Long@CSDInc.com >Reply-To: Robert.Long@CSDInc.com >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: OT - 510 Appreciation >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:52:50 -0600 > >List, > >I went down to the SCCA RGR AutoX this weekend here in Albuquerque (as a >spectator, my tranny is still at the shop). > >Datsun was represented by a 69 1600, a 240Z, and a 510. I've never really >paid much attention to 510s, but after this weekend I have a new found >apprecation. He was good, smooth, & fast. His valve cover said Datsun >1600 >OHC. > >I went to watch cause I'm interested in joining in at a later point in >time. >One thing I noticed right off, everyone had racing tires. My little street >tires & stock wheels ain't going to hack it. > >Later...Robert - 67.5 1600 - Abq _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 17:28:16 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: sgam@hotmail.com, Robert.Long@CSDInc.com Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:26:28 EDT Subject: Re: OT - 510 Appreciation In a message dated 09/07/2000 4:07:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sgam@hotmail.com writes: > On that note, though, has anyone tried putting an IRS rear end into a > roadster? Might make an interesting project - kind of "what if they'd kept > them going" sort of thing. Something like this? :) http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/rearend_2.gif http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/new_upright.gif http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/control_arms.gif http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/rearsusp_new.gif http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/hubs.JPG http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/BADROC/temp/irs_temp.htm http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/subframe.JPG (if you have your email prog setup to view emails as html, you will have to copy and paste the images in your browser to view them) \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 17:38:48 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Dan Zubkoff" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:33:39 -0400 Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 Dan, Good luck and use it in good health!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW, somebody brought a Silvia to the Glen last year and it was cool. It was used as a Police car they said!! Lots of unusual holes usually where police lights are/were. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Zubkoff To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:39 AM Subject: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > Yes,I have recently picked up a new addition to the Datsun Family.....a 1966 > Nissan Silvia. I just retrieved the car from the Shipping Docks in Oakland. > I had the car imported from Hawaii. > > Rumor has it that approx. 9 Silvias were exported to countries other than > Australia. It appears that this car may have been sold brand new in Hawaii > -- the title has a 'date sold new' with a date of 8/29/1966. > > I was shocked to find that the car started right up and ran really well when > I picked it up from the docks. Cosmetically, the car could use some serious > work....but all in good time. > > Dan Zubkoff > San Mateo, CA > 1966 SPL311 > 1966 CSP311 > > >From: "fredkatz" > >Reply-To: "fredkatz" > >To: "Dan Zubkoff" , > >Subject: Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:26:43 -0700 > > > >Okay, Dan is passing up on a 1500 deal, and has another project to tinker > >with. Just what could be better than that 1500? Real sneaky with the hints, > >Dan! > > > >Fred - So.SF, CA > >'66 SPL311 2L > >'68 SPL311 > >'68 SRL311 > >'70 SPL311 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dan Zubkoff" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:13 PM > >Subject: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > > > > > > > I recently spoke to the owner of a 1965 SPL310 that is for Sale. Sounds > >like > > > a decent project car. > > > > > > His family has owned the car since 1975 & he says it is all original, > > > including a soft-top. A few years back, he had the head re-done, but the > > > bottom end still needs attention. There is also several rust spots which > >may > > > need attention. I haven't seen the car in person. > > > > > > Vin is SPL310 10231. > > > > > > The car is located in Temple City, California. > > > > > > I would love to purchase this one...but I just brought home another new > > > datsun project earlier today. No more room....plus my wife has been more > > > than understanding about having two datsuns.....three would be over the > >top. > > > > > > Contact Mike at (626) 454-3517 - he wants to sell ASAP! > > > > > > Dan Zubkoff > > > San Mateo, CA > > > 1966 SPL311 > > > 1966 CSP311 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 17:39:26 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:37:57 GMT Subject: Melbourne/Geelong residents? Adam? G'day, I've been a bit snowed under at work. The South West Classic rally runs this weekend, and I've been told to meet someone at Colac BP (Oops, bp) service station at 9.30!!! I'll be a passage control dude. Which means leaving my place at 7.30 (The Geelong road being one of the most patrolled peices of road in Victoria, IMO). Anyhoo, I was going to try to get pictures of the weekend (Kirstyn's coming with me, and we're going to make a weekend of it and stay down at Port Campbell, and return via THE road ;-) ) But if you want to see me, there's a small window of opportunity tomorrow morning... Oh, and one of the stages is a hillclimb at Mt. Leura (which would be fun to see, but I'll be off on romantic weekend by then) starting at around 3ish. Don't know if any Datto's are competing (though surely there'll be a couple of 1600 (510) sedans). Well, I'll report on the fun after the weekend. Cheers all, Steve ('68 2000) Melbournian Datsunian! _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 17:44:56 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Laury, Victor" , "'Toby B'" , Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:40:54 -0400 Subject: Re: When you hit Reply... Thanks Vic!!!!!! Wet and soggy in NY. Wanna trade???????? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Laury, Victor To: 'Toby B' ; a roadster list Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: RE: When you hit Reply... > >Toby B Wrote - OT: When you hit Reply... Please, all, When you "reply" > delete most of the junk underneath your post- I went to digest mode a while > back to keep ahead of my mail, and some of these 'replies' get up to ten > layers of >>>>>>>>! > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 17:54:47 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: Michael Tarelka Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:52:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Any techniques for getting new Tach cable installed? It was asked: > I need to hook up a Tach cable to my recently aquired 1969 1600. Is > there any "tips" for accessing the tach through the dash? On the late model dash, you may find it easier to first take out the speedo. You then have a large hole right next to the tach. BTW, anyone have the part number for the tach cable seal handy? (the rubber 'grommet' at the distributor end, to prevent pumping oil up the cable)? -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 17:56:59 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, datsun65@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:56:28 EDT Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 Pics for us to see?? >From: "datsunmike" >Reply-To: "datsunmike" >To: "Dan Zubkoff" >CC: "Datsun Roadster List" >Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:33:39 -0400 > >Dan, > >Good luck and use it in good health!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >BTW, somebody brought a Silvia to the Glen last year and it was cool. It >was >used as a Police car they said!! Lots of unusual holes usually where police >lights are/were. > >Mike >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dan Zubkoff >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:39 AM >Subject: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > > > > Yes,I have recently picked up a new addition to the Datsun Family.....a >1966 > > Nissan Silvia. I just retrieved the car from the Shipping Docks in >Oakland. > > I had the car imported from Hawaii. > > > > Rumor has it that approx. 9 Silvias were exported to countries other >than > > Australia. It appears that this car may have been sold brand new in >Hawaii > > -- the title has a 'date sold new' with a date of 8/29/1966. > > > > I was shocked to find that the car started right up and ran really well >when > > I picked it up from the docks. Cosmetically, the car could use some >serious > > work....but all in good time. > > > > Dan Zubkoff > > San Mateo, CA > > 1966 SPL311 > > 1966 CSP311 > > > > >From: "fredkatz" > > >Reply-To: "fredkatz" > > >To: "Dan Zubkoff" , > > > >Subject: Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > > >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:26:43 -0700 > > > > > >Okay, Dan is passing up on a 1500 deal, and has another project to >tinker > > >with. Just what could be better than that 1500? Real sneaky with the >hints, > > >Dan! > > > > > >Fred - So.SF, CA > > >'66 SPL311 2L > > >'68 SPL311 > > >'68 SRL311 > > >'70 SPL311 > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dan Zubkoff" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:13 PM > > >Subject: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > > > > > > > > > > I recently spoke to the owner of a 1965 SPL310 that is for Sale. >Sounds > > >like > > > > a decent project car. > > > > > > > > His family has owned the car since 1975 & he says it is all >original, > > > > including a soft-top. A few years back, he had the head re-done, but >the > > > > bottom end still needs attention. There is also several rust spots >which > > >may > > > > need attention. I haven't seen the car in person. > > > > > > > > Vin is SPL310 10231. > > > > > > > > The car is located in Temple City, California. > > > > > > > > I would love to purchase this one...but I just brought home another >new > > > > datsun project earlier today. No more room....plus my wife has been >more > > > > than understanding about having two datsuns.....three would be over >the > > >top. > > > > > > > > Contact Mike at (626) 454-3517 - he wants to sell ASAP! > > > > > > > > Dan Zubkoff > > > > San Mateo, CA > > > > 1966 SPL311 > > > > 1966 CSP311 > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 17:59:55 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Andrew Murphy" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:55:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Just trying to keep it together Andy, The seal for the tach cable is shot or you got real high pressure!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Murphy To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Just trying to keep it together > Hello All, > > Many of you know that I intend to put my car in for restoration in the > spring of next year. I am in the parts buying phase right now. I have not > really put any dough directly into my 67 2000 for a while now. Recently, I > noticed that engine oil has come up the speedo cable and has collected in a > small pool at the bottom of the gauge. It also has stained the dash. > > Now I am militant about my fluid levels because I know that I have an oil > leak at the back of the head. I have always figured "Well, the engine is > going to be totally rebuilt next year" and have not worried too much about > it. He still runs strong as ever. > > Does this sound serious to anyone? I just want to drive the hell out of this > car while I have it. Because next spring he will be going away for who knows > how long. > > Just trying to keep it together, > > Andrew Murphy > 67 2000 Solex > SoCalROC > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 18:01:54 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Datsun Roadster List" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:56:57 -0400 Subject: O/T Can you Identify with this?????? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C01905.C6FEEBA0 charset="iso-8859-1" > > > http://www.sammysoft.com/z3/z3_owner.htm > ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C01905.C6FEEBA0 name="You~Might~Be~a~Z3~Owner~If.url" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="You~Might~Be~a~Z3~Owner~If.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.sammysoft.com/z3/z3_owner.htm [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.sammysoft.com/z3/z3_owner.htm Modified=202738BDF218C00107 ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C01905.C6FEEBA0-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 18:04:57 2000 From: "Dan Zubkoff" To: spl310@hotmail.com, datsunmike@nyc.rr.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:04:05 GMT Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 There is a picture from the Previous owner on Alan's Web Site. http://www.angelfire.com/ns/silvia/silviaregister.html BTW: Alan's site is an incredible resource for Nissan Silvia knowdege! Thanks, Dan Zubkoff San Mateo, CA SPL311 CSP311 >From: "sidney raper" >To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, datsun65@hotmail.com >CC: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:56:28 EDT > >Pics for us to see?? > > >>From: "datsunmike" >>Reply-To: "datsunmike" >>To: "Dan Zubkoff" >>CC: "Datsun Roadster List" >>Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:33:39 -0400 >> >>Dan, >> >>Good luck and use it in good health!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >>BTW, somebody brought a Silvia to the Glen last year and it was cool. It >>was >>used as a Police car they said!! Lots of unusual holes usually where >>police >>lights are/were. >> >>Mike >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Dan Zubkoff >>To: ; >>Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:39 AM >>Subject: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >> >> >> > Yes,I have recently picked up a new addition to the Datsun Family.....a >>1966 >> > Nissan Silvia. I just retrieved the car from the Shipping Docks in >>Oakland. >> > I had the car imported from Hawaii. >> > >> > Rumor has it that approx. 9 Silvias were exported to countries other >>than >> > Australia. It appears that this car may have been sold brand new in >>Hawaii >> > -- the title has a 'date sold new' with a date of 8/29/1966. >> > >> > I was shocked to find that the car started right up and ran really well >>when >> > I picked it up from the docks. Cosmetically, the car could use some >>serious >> > work....but all in good time. >> > >> > Dan Zubkoff >> > San Mateo, CA >> > 1966 SPL311 >> > 1966 CSP311 >> > >> > >From: "fredkatz" >> > >Reply-To: "fredkatz" >> > >To: "Dan Zubkoff" , >> >> > >Subject: Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >> > >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:26:43 -0700 >> > > >> > >Okay, Dan is passing up on a 1500 deal, and has another project to >>tinker >> > >with. Just what could be better than that 1500? Real sneaky with the >>hints, >> > >Dan! >> > > >> > >Fred - So.SF, CA >> > >'66 SPL311 2L >> > >'68 SPL311 >> > >'68 SRL311 >> > >'70 SPL311 >> > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "Dan Zubkoff" >> > >To: >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:13 PM >> > >Subject: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >> > > >> > > >> > > > I recently spoke to the owner of a 1965 SPL310 that is for Sale. >>Sounds >> > >like >> > > > a decent project car. >> > > > >> > > > His family has owned the car since 1975 & he says it is all >>original, >> > > > including a soft-top. A few years back, he had the head re-done, >>but >>the >> > > > bottom end still needs attention. There is also several rust spots >>which >> > >may >> > > > need attention. I haven't seen the car in person. >> > > > >> > > > Vin is SPL310 10231. >> > > > >> > > > The car is located in Temple City, California. >> > > > >> > > > I would love to purchase this one...but I just brought home another >>new >> > > > datsun project earlier today. No more room....plus my wife has been >>more >> > > > than understanding about having two datsuns.....three would be over >>the >> > >top. >> > > > >> > > > Contact Mike at (626) 454-3517 - he wants to sell ASAP! >> > > > >> > > > Dan Zubkoff >> > > > San Mateo, CA >> > > > 1966 SPL311 >> > > > 1966 CSP311 >> > > > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________________ >> > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> > http://profiles.msn.com. >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 18:06:07 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: solex67@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:04:53 EDT Subject: Re: Just trying to keep it together In a message dated 9/7/00 10:41:50 PM !!!First Boot!!!, solex67@hotmail.com writes: << Now I am militant about my fluid levels because I know that I have an oil leak at the back of the head. >> Okay Andrew.... there isn't much to worry. Just stay calm and call 911. If you feel dizzy or light headed then lay down on the floor with your legs elevated. As for your speedo... I had the same problem. for me it never made it to the gauge. It just spilled out over onto my tan coloured pants. What a mess! I just cranked the screw down at the gauge and it never leaked again. Although sometimes my car makes me feel as if I also have a leak in the back of my head. Michael "Calspeed" Carion 67.5 SRL311-000248 Solex BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 18:08:51 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , , Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:04:47 -0400 Subject: Re: OT - 510 Appreciation I had heard that Col Joe installed an independent rear or was that the Harvey Bros. Anybody know the truth to this info? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: Re: OT - 510 Appreciation > In a message dated 09/07/2000 4:07:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > sgam@hotmail.com writes: > > > On that note, though, has anyone tried putting an IRS rear end into a > > roadster? Might make an interesting project - kind of "what if they'd > kept > > them going" sort of thing. > > Something like this? :) > http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/rearend_2.gif > http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/new_upright.gif > http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/control_arms.gif > http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/rearsusp_new.gif > http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/hubs.JPG > http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/BADROC/temp/irs_temp.htm > http://members.xoom.com/BADROC/temp/subframe.JPG > (if you have your email prog setup to view emails as html, you will have to > copy and paste the images in your browser to view them) > > \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 18:13:45 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Dan Zubkoff" , Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:08:39 -0400 Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 Dan, Yep it was Kurt who owns the car. I thought it was green. I am getting old!!!!!! Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Zubkoff To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > There is a picture from the Previous owner on Alan's Web Site. > > http://www.angelfire.com/ns/silvia/silviaregister.html > > BTW: Alan's site is an incredible resource for Nissan Silvia knowdege! > > Thanks, > > Dan Zubkoff > San Mateo, CA > SPL311 > CSP311 > > >From: "sidney raper" > >To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, datsun65@hotmail.com > >CC: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:56:28 EDT > > > >Pics for us to see?? > > > > > >>From: "datsunmike" > >>Reply-To: "datsunmike" > >>To: "Dan Zubkoff" > >>CC: "Datsun Roadster List" > >>Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > >>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:33:39 -0400 > >> > >>Dan, > >> > >>Good luck and use it in good health!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> > >>BTW, somebody brought a Silvia to the Glen last year and it was cool. It > >>was > >>used as a Police car they said!! Lots of unusual holes usually where > >>police > >>lights are/were. > >> > >>Mike > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Dan Zubkoff > >>To: ; > >>Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:39 AM > >>Subject: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > >> > >> > >> > Yes,I have recently picked up a new addition to the Datsun Family.....a > >>1966 > >> > Nissan Silvia. I just retrieved the car from the Shipping Docks in > >>Oakland. > >> > I had the car imported from Hawaii. > >> > > >> > Rumor has it that approx. 9 Silvias were exported to countries other > >>than > >> > Australia. It appears that this car may have been sold brand new in > >>Hawaii > >> > -- the title has a 'date sold new' with a date of 8/29/1966. > >> > > >> > I was shocked to find that the car started right up and ran really well > >>when > >> > I picked it up from the docks. Cosmetically, the car could use some > >>serious > >> > work....but all in good time. > >> > > >> > Dan Zubkoff > >> > San Mateo, CA > >> > 1966 SPL311 > >> > 1966 CSP311 > >> > > >> > >From: "fredkatz" > >> > >Reply-To: "fredkatz" > >> > >To: "Dan Zubkoff" , > >> > >> > >Subject: Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > >> > >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:26:43 -0700 > >> > > > >> > >Okay, Dan is passing up on a 1500 deal, and has another project to > >>tinker > >> > >with. Just what could be better than that 1500? Real sneaky with the > >>hints, > >> > >Dan! > >> > > > >> > >Fred - So.SF, CA > >> > >'66 SPL311 2L > >> > >'68 SPL311 > >> > >'68 SRL311 > >> > >'70 SPL311 > >> > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > >> > >From: "Dan Zubkoff" > >> > >To: > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:13 PM > >> > >Subject: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I recently spoke to the owner of a 1965 SPL310 that is for Sale. > >>Sounds > >> > >like > >> > > > a decent project car. > >> > > > > >> > > > His family has owned the car since 1975 & he says it is all > >>original, > >> > > > including a soft-top. A few years back, he had the head re-done, > >>but > >>the > >> > > > bottom end still needs attention. There is also several rust spots > >>which > >> > >may > >> > > > need attention. I haven't seen the car in person. > >> > > > > >> > > > Vin is SPL310 10231. > >> > > > > >> > > > The car is located in Temple City, California. > >> > > > > >> > > > I would love to purchase this one...but I just brought home another > >>new > >> > > > datsun project earlier today. No more room....plus my wife has been > >>more > >> > > > than understanding about having two datsuns.....three would be over > >>the > >> > >top. > >> > > > > >> > > > Contact Mike at (626) 454-3517 - he wants to sell ASAP! > >> > > > > >> > > > Dan Zubkoff > >> > > > San Mateo, CA > >> > > > 1966 SPL311 > >> > > > 1966 CSP311 > >> > > > > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________________ > >> > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > >> > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > >> > > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 18:24:15 2000 From: "Mark McInnis" To: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:35:18 -0500 Subject: Rebuilding Engines I've been reading all of your discussions on bolts that should or shouldn't be replaced when rebuilding an engine, so that I'm now totally confused. I've decided to go ahead and put my car back together, but I haven't bought any new bolts. Which ones inside the engine really need to be replaced, and which ones can I reuse? Where is the best source for replacements??? I'm going to need some new timing gears for the jackshaft and cam. Where can these be obtained besides Ralleye. I don't have a lot of money, since I was laid off in December, and haven't found a job yet. Anyone know of companies looking for older employees with years of insurance experience? Thanks for your help! Mark McInnis From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 18:52:51 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "datsunmike" , Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:57:38 -0500 Subject: Re: O/T Can you Identify with this?????? datsunmike wrote >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C01905.C6FEEBA0 > charset="iso-8859-1" > > >> >> >> http://www.sammysoft.com/z3/z3_owner.htm >> > >------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C01905.C6FEEBA0 > name="You~Might~Be~a~Z3~Owner~If.url" >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="You~Might~Be~a~Z3~Owner~If.url" All that stuff about mussed hair...Do the tops come down on Z3s? -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 18:59:10 2000 From: HIGHKIX4@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@onelist.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:58:41 EDT Subject: Exhaust is installed! For all: Drove the 67 pushrod 2L to my favorite exhaust guy yesterday, was able to take afternoon off of work. Those guys spent almost 3 hours bending, fitting, cursing, and pointing and yelling......end result is great! They fitted a collector to the stock manifold, and we used a CDM stainless 2 inch flex before the first frame hole. The pipes thru the frame hole are 1 7/8, rest of system is 2 inch. There is a 15 inch long 2 inch directional glasspack in the X of the frame, and another back right before the rear bumper. End piece is a 2 and 1/4 chrome tip. System is hard mounted useing original clamps, so it dosnt rattle. Flex is taken up quite well by the flex coupling. Sound is very deep and throaty, and quite loud when you get into the throttle, but not boy racer loud. Exactly what I was looking for. Now that I have the noise out back, I can tell that its time to adjust the valves. I also got some spark knock at heavy throttle and low revs in 4th and 5th, so I think timeing is about right. When I got home the exhaust was dark gray, so mixture might be close to OK. Gunning motor gives initial puff of very small amout of black smoke and, happy to say, no blue smoke. Some folks on the list have inquired about my planned exhaust, if the exhaust guys would pre-bend a system for them. After working on my car, the exhaust guy said no way could he do one of these except to get up close and personal with the car. Cost was 103 dollars. CDM charged about 40 for the flex, so whole system was less than 150. Signed, pleased in Chesapeake Jim 67 pushrod 2L 72 510 wagon From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 19:25:05 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, cmjang@earthlink.net, kesket@home.com, Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:24:27 EDT Subject: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together I was thinking of organizing another BADROC/car guys get together at the mtn. view in and out for next sunday (the 17th). Same deal as usual... people from different areas usually organize mini cruises to the In-And-Out, and arrive by about 11:15am...and everyone just chills out and admires the cars and shoots the breeze till about 2-3pm or so. It's really informal and a lot of fun. \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 19:27:26 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: "Mark McInnis" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:26:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Rebuilding Engines Mark asks: > I'm going to need some new timing gears for the jackshaft and cam. Where > can these be obtained besides Ralleye. I believe you can still order these thru the dealer. But you may want to find another job first! 4 gears and 2 chains will run over $500 last I checked! Add to that the tensioners and guides... :-( -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 20:53:19 2000 From: "Terry and Donna Cost" To: "Datsun Roadsters" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:43:01 -0500 Subject: sar castro Sar castro is jerking your chain. You can get an extra email address for free at several websites, and that's what sar castro has done. The more you are outraged, the more successful the "chain jerking" is. I'll bet the culprit is a regular on our list. Laugh at the obviously provocative statements and keep your blood pressure at normal levels. Or embellish them. I remember a Spitfire that actually rusted in half on me. I had to carry it to the junkyard in two separate pieces. I've never had a Roadster even close to that. Remember that MG was the company Triumph was jealous of. Who's jealous of Datsun Roadsters? Z drivers? Honda owners? Doctors with Buicks? Have fun with this and don't get bent out of shape. Leisure Suit Terry From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 21:00:46 2000 From: "Jim Plegue" To: "roadster list" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:57:34 -0700 Subject: roadster for sale--bay area Dear list members: Regrettably, I must get out of the roadster world for awhile, so my black-on-black beauty is going on the market. Thought I'd let the list know first in case anyone's looking. I'm in Berkeley. I'll send a couple photos to anyone who asks. Here's the ad I will run: 1970 Datsun 1600 roadster w/2L engine & 5spd. New tires, exhaust, manifold, battery, tonneau, stereo, mostly new interior. Body and top VGC, custom wheels. $4,800. Berkeley 510-665-7870 I have had the car about a year and a half. It has been extremely reliable, driven once or twice a week for fun or running errands or seeking solace. It has an H20 engine. The brake brace has been installed. New carpets, seats, panels (except doors). The dash wears a cover. The center console has been re-covered. The upper console has a new AM/FM/tape player installed with 3 speakers. It starts great, runs great. It has been lowered in front with new shocks -- so I'm told. The body is very solid. There are a few nickel-shaped imperfections and I have noticed a little bubbling around the left rear quarter, but those are 1-foot observations, not 10-foot. It is, I think, a pretty cool looking car. I have a lot more into it than my asking price. If you want to know more, give me call at 510-665-7870 or e-mail me at jandr95@home.com Jim Plegue jandr95@home.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 21:06:35 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:02:45 -0700 Subject: radio Came home from work early today, so I got a few things done. Sent the last of the paperwork to DMV for the original plates. Sent Stan Chernoff the vinyl he needs for my dashcap (it should be there tomorrow, Stan) and picked up a new am/fm casette deck. I thought 'who has things no one else usually carries', electronically speaking, that is. Yup, Radio Shack. They have three models of two knob radios. The least expensive of the three (12-2004) fits the existing opening in my 67 like it was made for it! I took the console faceplate with me and when I pulled the unit out of the box, the knob shafts were even in the exact position to slide into the faceplate! This wouldn't have happened if I had thrown away my TRS80 stuff years ago. At least when I'm done my car will be older than my computers, but not by much... My only concern is that the bezel on the radio is pretty long (it overhangs the lower edges of the console front just barely. Has anyone used this unit before and will the overhang be masked by the sides of the console and the vinyl when it all goes back together? Also, it seems that 4.5 to 5 inch speakers will fit nicely into the holes behind the seats in the interior walls. Where and how much, if you please? Thanks Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 22:05:18 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: Dat2000srl@aol.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:07:27 -0700 Subject: Re: O.T. Gap/ buying & selling TRADE? Oh no! Another one? That's what my neighbors are saying now. Cost me my "close to running" 76 CL 360 Honda. Brought that parts car that was in San Jose home tonight. Aren't the square sidelight cars 70s not 69s? Also, my son Daniel is looking to trade his 90 Honda Civic DX 4 door for a low windshield roadster. His Honda has over 200,000 but has new cross drilled rotors, new calipers, new Yokohama 306s, trick header and intake manifold, mags, Comp suspension, thumper sound system, recent motor from Japan (this summer), new distributor, Averages 35+ mpg. Includes stock suspension and motor pieces. Dent in front bumper and one in front left fender. Car is a cop magnet for a teenager, he has to get rid of it before his court date on the 24th of this month. Says it worth about $4,000.00. email me if interested. David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 22:15:56 2000 From: Isaacsons To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:07:52 -0700 Subject: Glamour Car I showed a friend who grew up in Tokyo during the 60's my little Roadster. He is a professor at the U teaching Japanese. He said in Japan only movie stars and baseball stars could afford a Roadster. They were a rare sight back then, and no one could afford them. An even rarer sight today in Japan. STeve/Kirkland 67' 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 7 23:07:39 2000 From: Jim Williams To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fuel Injection I am wondering if anyone has adapted a late model fuel injection system to a roadster... I am rebuilding my spare U20 motor and would like to inquire about adapting it to a fuel injection system... What computer and wiring harness have others used? Has anyone adapted the intake manifold to injectors? Anybody ever add a throttle body injector inside the SU body??? Thanks! Jim Williams 68 2000 Scottsdale, AZ jamesd_williams@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 00:37:25 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "datsunmike" , "Dan Zubkoff" , Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:18:04 -0400 Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 Kurt's Silva is green! He had it at MidOhio Vintage GP in June. Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: datsunmike To: Dan Zubkoff ; spl310@hotmail.com Cc: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >Dan, > >Yep it was Kurt who owns the car. I thought it was green. I am getting >old!!!!!! > >Thanks, >Mike >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dan Zubkoff >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:04 PM >Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 > > >> There is a picture from the Previous owner on Alan's Web Site. >> >> http://www.angelfire.com/ns/silvia/silviaregister.html >> >> BTW: Alan's site is an incredible resource for Nissan Silvia knowdege! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan Zubkoff >> San Mateo, CA >> SPL311 >> CSP311 >> >> >From: "sidney raper" >> >To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, datsun65@hotmail.com >> >CC: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >> >Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >> >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:56:28 EDT >> > >> >Pics for us to see?? >> > >> > >> >>From: "datsunmike" >> >>Reply-To: "datsunmike" >> >>To: "Dan Zubkoff" >> >>CC: "Datsun Roadster List" >> >>Subject: Re: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >> >>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:33:39 -0400 >> >> >> >>Dan, >> >> >> >>Good luck and use it in good health!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> >> >>BTW, somebody brought a Silvia to the Glen last year and it was cool. It >> >>was >> >>used as a Police car they said!! Lots of unusual holes usually where >> >>police >> >>lights are/were. >> >> >> >>Mike >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: Dan Zubkoff >> >>To: ; >> >>Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:39 AM >> >>Subject: USA Silvia - Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes,I have recently picked up a new addition to the Datsun >Family.....a >> >>1966 >> >> > Nissan Silvia. I just retrieved the car from the Shipping Docks in >> >>Oakland. >> >> > I had the car imported from Hawaii. >> >> > >> >> > Rumor has it that approx. 9 Silvias were exported to countries other >> >>than >> >> > Australia. It appears that this car may have been sold brand new in >> >>Hawaii >> >> > -- the title has a 'date sold new' with a date of 8/29/1966. >> >> > >> >> > I was shocked to find that the car started right up and ran really >well >> >>when >> >> > I picked it up from the docks. Cosmetically, the car could use some >> >>serious >> >> > work....but all in good time. >> >> > >> >> > Dan Zubkoff >> >> > San Mateo, CA >> >> > 1966 SPL311 >> >> > 1966 CSP311 >> >> > >> >> > >From: "fredkatz" >> >> > >Reply-To: "fredkatz" >> >> > >To: "Dan Zubkoff" , >> >> >> >> > >Subject: Re: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >> >> > >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:26:43 -0700 >> >> > > >> >> > >Okay, Dan is passing up on a 1500 deal, and has another project to >> >>tinker >> >> > >with. Just what could be better than that 1500? Real sneaky with the >> >>hints, >> >> > >Dan! >> >> > > >> >> > >Fred - So.SF, CA >> >> > >'66 SPL311 2L >> >> > >'68 SPL311 >> >> > >'68 SRL311 >> >> > >'70 SPL311 >> >> > > >> >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> >> > >From: "Dan Zubkoff" >> >> > >To: >> >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:13 PM >> >> > >Subject: 1965 SPL310 1500 For Sale $500.00 >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > I recently spoke to the owner of a 1965 SPL310 that is for Sale. >> >>Sounds >> >> > >like >> >> > > > a decent project car. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > His family has owned the car since 1975 & he says it is all >> >>original, >> >> > > > including a soft-top. A few years back, he had the head re-done, >> >>but >> >>the >> >> > > > bottom end still needs attention. There is also several rust >spots >> >>which >> >> > >may >> >> > > > need attention. I haven't seen the car in person. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Vin is SPL310 10231. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > The car is located in Temple City, California. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > I would love to purchase this one...but I just brought home >another >> >>new >> >> > > > datsun project earlier today. No more room....plus my wife has >been >> >>more >> >> > > > than understanding about having two datsuns.....three would be >over >> >>the >> >> > >top. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Contact Mike at (626) 454-3517 - he wants to sell ASAP! >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Dan Zubkoff >> >> > > > San Mateo, CA >> >> > > > 1966 SPL311 >> >> > > > 1966 CSP311 >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at >> >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >> >> > >> >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> >> > http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> http://profiles.msn.com. >> > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 01:50:00 2000 From: Marc Sayer To: Jim Williams Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:58:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Fuel Injection You have a couple easy options (note I did not say cheap) first is to use an SU manifold and the TWM SU style FI throttle bodies. Next is to use the Mikuni manifold and the TWM DCOE style FI throttle bodies. The first would be a bit less expensive for the hardware, the second would offer better performance and probably easier software interface and tuning. Jim Williams wrote: > > I am wondering if anyone has adapted a late model fuel > injection system to a roadster... I am rebuilding my > spare U20 motor and would like to inquire about > adapting it to a fuel injection system... What > computer and wiring harness have others used? Has > anyone adapted the intake manifold to injectors? > Anybody ever add a throttle body injector inside the > SU body??? > Thanks! > Jim Williams > 68 2000 > Scottsdale, AZ > jamesd_williams@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! -- Marc Sayer Editor/Publisher Z Car & Classic Datsun Magazine http://zcarmag.com Voice 541-726-6001 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 07:00:13 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: "Stephen McCartney" , Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:57:49 -0400 Subject: Re: OT - 510 Appreciation I made a half harted attempt at putting a 240Z rear end in a Roadster in the late 70's. This is a "Chapman" rear end in a very good execution. The hole assembly arrives as a "package", diff, lower arms, uprights, struts and mounts. There was very little fabrication of additional sub frame required to catch the mounting points, but the struts would require considerable reshaping of the wheel wells and would end up higher than the present rear body lines. I have NO body work inclination, so the project went away. I would consider it today however, as a Chapman layout has much to offer over semi trailing layout as found on the 510"s. Regards Calvin Grandy Vermont > On that note, though, has anyone tried putting an IRS rear end into a > roadster? Might make an interesting project - kind of "what if they'd kept > them going" sort of thing. > > Cheers, > > Steve > ('68 2000) > > > > >From: Robert.Long@CSDInc.com > >Reply-To: Robert.Long@CSDInc.com > >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >Subject: OT - 510 Appreciation > >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:52:50 -0600 > > > >List, > > > >I went down to the SCCA RGR AutoX this weekend here in Albuquerque (as a > >spectator, my tranny is still at the shop). > > > >Datsun was represented by a 69 1600, a 240Z, and a 510. I've never really > >paid much attention to 510s, but after this weekend I have a new found > >apprecation. He was good, smooth, & fast. His valve cover said Datsun > >1600 > >OHC. > > > >I went to watch cause I'm interested in joining in at a later point in > >time. > >One thing I noticed right off, everyone had racing tires. My little street > >tires & stock wheels ain't going to hack it. > > > >Later...Robert - 67.5 1600 - Abq > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 08:30:48 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: DemonTSi@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, cmjang@earthlink.net, Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:29:41 EDT Subject: Re: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together Sorry,I cant make it that weekend. I'm going to Maui :') Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 08:58:55 2000 From: "Robert Morrow" To: , , , Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:55:56 -0400 Subject: RE: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together Oh Ken!!!! we feel sooooorrrrryyy for you. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of PLETCH5@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 10:30 AM To: DemonTSi@aol.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net; cmjang@earthlink.net; kesket@home.com; Azneyelid@aol.com; eddy@ucla.edu; mike.lee@oracle.com; david.nguyen@xpedior.com; Sr71sss@aol.com; chen@cs.stanford.edu; slewis@rampnet.com; study_muffin@hotmail.com; jem@milleredp.com; shung@interactual.com; kbrandt@stanford.edu; kitwetzler@mindsprind.com; Low612@aol.com; nismoboy98@hotmail.com; gts3sge@hotmail.com; t_hamdani@yahoo.com; lgmolina@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together Sorry,I cant make it that weekend. I'm going to Maui :') Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 09:28:45 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:28:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together Keep your eyes peeled for Roadsters... I had my only 3-seat 1500 sighting (white, parked in front of the ice cream place in Lahaina) there back in '88. Gary McCormick '70 2000 San Jose, CA PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > Sorry,I cant make it that weekend. I'm going to Maui :') > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 10:54:37 2000 From: Hoon Kim To: datsun roadster mailist Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:53:44 -0700 Subject: BADROC: need help this weekend I''ve tried and tried and tried, but I still can't get my spring retainers off my valves. I need help! Anyone willing to help me out this weekend in exchange for a six-pack? I'm trying to replace my valve seals but can't get to them. I'm willing to drive to your place (as I don't really have an ideal place to work on my car, namely a parking garage). Early Saturday, or anytime Sunday preferred. BTW, I live in emeryville. Thanks. for my '67 1600. -- - Hoon Kim - x6184 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 10:57:31 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:55:07 EDT Subject: Re: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together I'll check for it,do these cars hold up rust wise on those islands? Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 11:44:11 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:43:39 PDT Subject: Re: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together Ken and List, Unless I am mistaken, there is a list member with a 69 2000 in Hawaii. I think his name is Cameron Niles. He has posted a few times. If my info is correct, you should look him up while you are there. I know that there are a couple of roadsters there. Andrew Murphy SoCalROC >From: PLETCH5@aol.com >Reply-To: PLETCH5@aol.com >To: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com >CC: DemonTSi@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together >Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:55:07 EDT > >I'll check for it,do these cars hold up rust wise on those islands? > > > Ken >DATSTER _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 12:17:12 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:16:20 -0700 Subject: Hawaii rides (was: Bay Area BADROC...) Don't forget Aloha Dave and his '68 1600! -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 14:19:16 2000 From: Geegc@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:17:51 EDT Subject: Need 1600 rear end Got the verdict from the mechanic on the rear end of the 1600. Does anyone have a complete, in good shape, rear end for a 1966 1600 with axles? Thanks Gary C 1966 1600 w/bad rear end Los Angeles From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 14:53:57 2000 From: "Brian St. Jacques" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:52:08 -0700 Subject: Caliper rebuild Hello All, I just popped the pistons from all four brake caliper assemblies to see if they are worth saving, trouble is, I'm not sure how to judge weather they are usable. There is surface rust on all four, but after scrubbing on it a little with some Scotch Brite and WD-40, most of the rust cleans up pretty easily. There was just some specs left. I didn't see any major pitting, but the rust has caused some very very slight pitting. Can the calipers be used with very slight pitting? If so, how well do I need to hit the surface, and does anybody have any recommendations on what technique to use? I am almost considering just replacing the units, but if they are good enough to be used, that would save some cash down the road. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Brian '68 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 15:47:48 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "Brian St. Jacques" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:35:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Caliper rebuild Brian, IMHO, it's better to bite the bullet and replace them. If there is some slight pitting, you can clean them up and lube them with caliper lubricant (it comes with the rebuild kit). They'll work for a while, but eventually the pits will cause wear and tear on the rubber seals, and they'll also trap contaminants. Probably good for a year or so (what I've seen on my car). If you clean them once a year you may be able to get by with them for years. Whatever you do, follow Tom Walter's advice and bleed your brake system every fall, or twice if you can - beginning of winter and spring. Don't wait for the fluid to turn dark brown. Fred - So.SF BADROC _________________________ Reply Separator ___________________________ >Subject: Caliper rebuild >Author: "Brian St. Jacques" >Date: 9/8/2000 1:52 PM > >Hello All, > >I just popped the pistons from all four brake caliper assemblies to see >if they are worth saving, trouble is, I'm not sure how to judge weather >they are usable. There is surface rust on all four, but after scrubbing >on it a little with some Scotch Brite and WD-40, most of the rust cleans >up pretty easily. There was just some specs left. I didn't see any major >pitting, but the rust has caused some very very slight pitting. Can the >calipers be used with very slight pitting? If so, how well do I need to >hit the surface, and does anybody have any recommendations on what >technique to use? > >I am almost considering just replacing the units, but if they are good >enough to be used, that would save some cash down the road. Any advise >would be greatly appreciated. > >Brian '68 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 16:03:44 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: plhbauman@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: radio Hi Paul, You can fit up to a 6.5 inch speaker in the holes behind the seats if you so choose. If you buy a 'spacer' for the speaker that stands it up off of the metal by about .75" a 6-6.5" speaker will fit just fine. This way you don't have to cut any metal. Daniel 69 2000 SF CA > My only concern is that the bezel on the radio is pretty long (it overhangs > the lower edges of the console front just barely. Has anyone used this unit > before and will the overhang be masked by the sides of the console and the > vinyl when it all goes back together? Also, it seems that 4.5 to 5 inch > speakers will fit nicely into the holes behind the seats in the interior > walls. Where and how much, if you please? > > Thanks > > Paul Bauman > Westminster, CA > 67 1600 > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 16:17:17 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:16:40 PDT Subject: When do you throw in the towel? Hello All, So I am looking at the shredded wheat that is the floor of my trunk and I also look at the obvious replacement fenders up front and wonder what the cowls look like underneath and I think "Should I just say screw it and get a new body shell?" Now I know that the rusted floor pans can be cut out and patches can be welded in place. In fact, that is what I have been advised to do. Still, since I have decided to empty the bank account and do a body off restoration, should I just eat it and get a new body shell? Now I know that body shells don't grow on trees, but if I can locate a 67.5 shell in good condition, should I do it? I wonder where the line is when you just say "It's not salvagable" "It will cost more in labor and you still will not be guaranteed you got it all out". I know my car is nowhere near as bad, but I can't help but think of that 212 that Les Cannaday dragged into his shop. It was a pile of rust held together with the trim strips he was after. I think of Paul Strassmaier and his car. He put a new shell on his car and it looks great. Hell, I am even contemplating buying a 67.5 1600 runner with a good body and then stealing its shell. Stupid Rust... Andre Murphy SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 16:42:02 2000 From: Hoon Kim To: datsun roadster mailist Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:41:23 -0700 Subject: soft top parts '67 I want to get a soft top for my '67 1600. Currently I only have a hard top. What all do I need to get a soft top installed. the obvious ones: soft top cover front bow rear bow front latches (how many) what else do I need for a low windshield one? Thanks. -- - Hoon Kim - x6184 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 16:57:30 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: hoon@pixar.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:56:58 PDT Subject: Re: soft top parts '67 You need the frame of course As far as latches, it depends on if you have an 67 early or a 67.5 The earlies used the "lunchbox" hasps that fit over the receiver hook and snapped straight down. The 67.5 had a unique cantelever latch that is attached from the side. This was done to clear the new feature called sun visors. I hope you have the 67 early because a new set of 67.5 latches will cost A LOT of money. They were only made for one model year (Actually 1/2 year) Andrew Murphy 67 2000 Solex SoCalROC >From: Hoon Kim >Reply-To: Hoon Kim >To: datsun roadster mailist >Subject: soft top parts '67 >Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:41:23 -0700 > >I want to get a soft top for my '67 1600. Currently I only have a >hard top. What all do I need to get a soft top installed. > >the obvious ones: >soft top cover >front bow >rear bow >front latches (how many) > >what else do I need for a low windshield one? >Thanks. >-- >- Hoon Kim >- x6184 _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 17:11:55 2000 From: ken ogi To: Andrew Murphy , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:25:49 -0700 Subject: Re: When do you throw in the towel? Andrew Murphy wrote: > yadda yadda yadda > > Stupid Rust... > > Andre Murphy > SoCalROC > > no doubt... stupid rust! i'm think'n the same thing... this weekend i've got to prep to weld in a new metal for the floor pan. joys of roadster owner :) ken 67.5 (1600) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 17:32:45 2000 From: shifty To: roadsters Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:31:22 -0700 Subject: Re: When do you throw in the towel? Andrew, The short answer is... when you can poke your fingers through major structural pieces. I dragged my '67.5 2000 down from Canada - it turned out to be much worse than I could have imagined. The cowl area was a complete disaster. I did manage to find a '67.5 1600 about two weeks later. The body on this car is better, but still needs floorboards and sills. The standards of "salvageable" differ depending on location - what is just "a bit of welding" in the UK is a total write-off in Southern California. Leigh Brooks BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 18:08:58 2000 From: "Daniel D. Kelson" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:07:43 -0700 Subject: The Famed "Datsun Roadsters: 1962-1971" Book Howdy All [I'm a newbie]. I'm sure most of you, or all of you, have the Brooklands book on Roadsters. I do not [yet]. I had some correspondance with the Brooklands folks and they are going to reprint it in Jan 2001 in a larger format. They also referred me to CarTech, who now say they have THREE copies left [after the one they are sending me]. So if anyone is left who doesn't have one [besides me], give them a call at (800) 551 4754. Order one for your friends and neighbours. -Dan Kelson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel D. Kelson kelson@ociw.edu The Observatories http://www.ciw.edu/kelson Carnegie Institution of Washington (626) 304 0285 813 Santa Barbara Street (526) 235 9486 (PCS) Pasadena, California 91101-1292 (626) 795 8136 (FAX) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 18:20:33 2000 From: SRL311KA@aol.com To: kelson@ociw.edu, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:19:26 EDT Subject: Classic Datsun Motorsports Greetings list, just a quick note to thank Les and Dennis at CDM for the great service. I had a problem with the threaded holes on my caliper brackets pulling out. A call to CDM had a pair of powdercoated brackets to me about 28 hours later. I don't get that type of service from my own parts dept.! And the price was very reasonable. Thanks guys. Bill Kenyon SRL311 KA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 18:54:11 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:53:32 -0700 Subject: Original 311 fiche online Personally I think Leigh's work is much cleaner and WAY much easier to browse through, but if you're looking to view the original Nissan fiche for our cars (plus the 240/60/80z, 240sx, 280zx, 510, maxima and some 'vette and toyota stuff), go check out http://www.carfiche.com (Ted Hedman originally posted this info to the 510 list) -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA "still searching for a nice stock 4 door automatic 510" From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 19:04:47 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "shifty" , "roadsters" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:09:37 -0500 Subject: Re: When do you throw in the towel? shifty wrote >Andrew, > >The short answer is... when you can poke your fingers through major >structural pieces. > >I dragged my '67.5 2000 down from Canada - it turned out to be much worse >than I could have imagined. The cowl area was a complete disaster. > >I did manage to find a '67.5 1600 about two weeks later. The body on this >car is better, but still needs floorboards and sills. > >The standards of "salvageable" differ depending on location - what is just >"a bit of welding" in the UK is a total write-off in Southern California. > >Leigh Brooks >BADROC > This site will wither inspire you or scare the bejeezus out of you or both. It's page one of16 pages of one Australian's resto of a Healy 100. There's not much there, sheetmetal-wise. Look at all 16 pages if you have time. http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/page1.html -Marc Tyler From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 19:29:41 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:32:12 -0700 Subject: Clutch change story List, I have to tell this story I heard today. I stopped by my buddy Joe Klokkevold's shop today and their were to Roadsters there that I had never seen before. I asked about the 70' 1600 he had out back and he told me the guy came to him to replace the clutch and he quoted him $600.00 and the guy told him that was high and went somewhere else. The other place quoted him $250.00 not knowing the engine has to come out first. Well they couldn't get the engine mount loose so they cut it off at the frame and when it came time to put it back in they used JB weld to attach it. They also stripped the transmission mounting bolts out and used sheet metal screws to reattach it. When they couldn't get the speedo cable loose they took bolt cutters and cut it in half. They also bent the throttle shaft in the trans tunnel when lifting the engine out. Joe said it cost the guy over $600.00 for him to repair the damage the other guys did. I guess he should have stayed with someone who has done a clutch job on a Roadster. Mike Nowroc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 20:04:36 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: "Roadster List" , Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:04:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Caliper rebuild Brian, It's not clear (at least to me) if you're saying the calipers are pitted, or if it's the pistons that are pitted. If it's the exterior of the calipers rather than the piston bore or the pistons themselves, this can be cleaned up and then you can paint or powder coat the calipers. However if it's the piston bores you probably ought to replace the whole unit, or just the pistons if they're the only things pitted. Can't remember if the calipers are iron as oposed to aluminum, but I know they are iron on the 510. The rear wheel cylinders, along with the brake and clutch masters and the clutch slave, are aluminum, which doesn't like any water in the system hence Tom's suggestion to flush the system frequently. Once the bores on these aluminum parts start to pit don't waste your time trying to rebuild them. FWIW, Ron ___________________________________ >IMHO, it's better to bite the bullet and replace them. If there is some >slight pitting, you can clean them up and lube them with caliper lubricant >(it comes with the rebuild kit). They'll work for a while, but eventually >the pits will cause wear and tear on the rubber seals, and they'll also >trap contaminants. Probably good for a year or so (what I've seen on my >car). If you clean them once a year you may be able to get by with them for >years. > >Whatever you do, follow Tom Walter's advice and bleed your brake system >every >fall, or twice if you can - beginning of winter and spring. Don't wait for >the >fluid to turn dark brown. >>I just popped the pistons from all four brake caliper assemblies to see >>if they are worth saving, trouble is, I'm not sure how to judge weather >>they are usable. There is surface rust on all four, but after scrubbing >>on it a little with some Scotch Brite and WD-40, most of the rust cleans >>up pretty easily. There was just some specs left. I didn't see any major >>pitting, but the rust has caused some very very slight pitting. Can the >>calipers be used with very slight pitting? If so, how well do I need to >>hit the surface, and does anybody have any recommendations on what >>technique to use? >> >>I am almost considering just replacing the units, but if they are good >>enough to be used, that would save some cash down the road. Any advise >>would be greatly appreciated. Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ronnie_day@acd.org ___________ The ACL Group Arlington, Texas (817) 572-0873 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 20:26:31 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:31:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Just trying to keep it together Hey, flaunt it! You're probably the only one on the list that has an oil level gauge on his dash! ;-) Andrew Murphy wrote: > Hello All, > > Many of you know that I intend to put my car in for restoration in the > spring of next year. I am in the parts buying phase right now. I have not > really put any dough directly into my 67 2000 for a while now. Recently, I > noticed that engine oil has come up the speedo cable and has collected in a > small pool at the bottom of the gauge. It also has stained the dash. > > Now I am militant about my fluid levels because I know that I have an oil > leak at the back of the head. I have always figured "Well, the engine is > going to be totally rebuilt next year" and have not worried too much about > it. He still runs strong as ever. > > Does this sound serious to anyone? I just want to drive the hell out of this > car while I have it. Because next spring he will be going away for who knows > how long. > > Just trying to keep it together, > > Andrew Murphy > 67 2000 Solex > SoCalROC > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 20:38:05 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:42:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Any techniques for getting new Tach cable installed? I don't think they sell it separately. It's part of the cable assembly. John F Sandhoff wrote: > BTW, anyone have the part number for the tach cable seal handy? (the > rubber 'grommet' at the distributor end, to prevent pumping oil up the > cable)? -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 20:57:40 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:02:12 -0700 Subject: Re: OT - 510 Appreciation That wouldn't be legal for either of them. Hauser ran in SCCA Production and could have gone to a four-link with coilovers but not IRS. The Harveys run in SCCA Solo II Street Prepared and have to run the leaf spring/solid axle setup. datsunmike wrote: > I had heard that Col Joe installed an independent rear or was that the > Harvey Bros. Anybody know the truth to this info? > -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 8 21:18:56 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:23:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Rebuilding Engines If the head bolts came out easily and look okay (no evidence of corrosion or pitting), they should be okay to reuse. If not, I imagine most of the vendors have them (see http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/gpagebld.asp?Type=Link&Cat=Vendor). Main bearing cap bolts are usually fine, too, but if anyone feels they are suspect, the vendors may have them. I couldn't find a part number in the roadster parts manual for the bolts. You can also get them from a Nissan forklift dealer (yes, I said "forklift"), part number 12293-P0500. Tell them it's for an H20 engine if they ask. The critical ones are the rod bolts. I feel these should be replaced. Unfortunately Nissan doesn't supply them any more. ARP did a special batch of roadster rod bolts one time. I think Dean at Fairlady has most of those but Stan Chernoff may have some, too. If you don't mind "customizing", I've been told that 396 Chevy rod bolts can be made to fit by turning down the knurling on the shank of the bolt. I'd let a machine shop do that, myself. Any of the vendors can supply you with timing gears and chains. If I had to choose between replacing timing gears or timing chains, I'd do the chains. If the gears are really shot, odds are extremely good that the chains are, too. That's not the cheap answer, but a blown engine is even more expensive. Mark McInnis wrote: > I've been reading all of your discussions on bolts that should or shouldn't > be replaced when rebuilding an engine, so that I'm now totally confused. > I've decided to go ahead and put my car back together, but I haven't bought > any new bolts. Which ones inside the engine really need to be replaced, and > which ones can I reuse? Where is the best source for replacements??? > > I'm going to need some new timing gears for the jackshaft and cam. Where > can these be obtained besides Ralleye. I don't have a lot of money, since I > was laid off in December, and haven't found a job yet. Anyone know of > companies looking for older employees with years of insurance experience? -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 06:39:25 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: earlydatsun@listbot.com (Early Datsun Mailing List), Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:38:45 EDT Subject: Nissan Silvia web update Hi Latest update is on the Nissan Silvia with some great pics from a 1966 Japanese Silvia brochure. URL through the main Silvia page:- http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/silvia.htm or through the main page The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register The next Silvia update will be on a couple of mid 1960s 1/12 scale radio control Silvia models which I've had for a while now. I'm just trying to convince Lynda that a state of the art digital camera is far more useful than a new horsebox (and that my 2 seater 260Z is far more sensible for a family of 4 than an Audi Estate car - required to tow the horsebox). Regards and Enjoy. Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register http://www.datsun.org/fairlady From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 10:14:02 2000 From: To: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:03:35 +0100 Subject: even MORE Norway pics As promised...here's some more pics from Norway including another roadster.These are from Sarpsborg where we visited Knut Fossum and his collection of Datsuns. Three albums down two to go! Enjoy! Eddie England 1969 SRL311 eddie@ratdat.com pics at www.ratdat.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 10:14:22 2000 From: To: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:59:31 +0100 Subject: Datsuns in Norway pics. Hi Roadsterites, I did post a message about this before but I was having e-mail troubles so I'm not sure if it made it to the list. I have got some of the pictures I took while over in Norway up on my photopoint site. www.ratdat.com Two albums are available so far. The first are pictures from the show I attended there and include a very nice 1600 roadster. The second lot are pictures of Svein Erik Finnerud's cars. He was our host during our stay and he runs the Datsun/PMC register in Norway. No roadsters in this one but some prtetty amazing stuff anyway. There are more to come (I may even get them done today!) and some pics of a couple of other roadsters I saw there. I'll let you all know when they are available. Enjoy! Eddie From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 11:46:02 2000 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:45:23 EDT Subject: ADQ vs the smog test, round 2 Hello all, Two things, first, I ordered the ADQ needles from England and should be sending them out in a week or so when they get here. Second, I dropped the ADQ needle to .020 and was able to pass the smog test. It ran clean enough for a mid 70s car and the drivability was pretty good. If the idle is set at 750 it is still a bit rich but if you raise it to 1000 - 1100 it leans out and passes fine. I had to use the choke until the engine was completely warmed up. The engine runs a lot better set richer but you can set it to pass smog and still drive home. On the oxygen sensor box you need to have a reading of less than 200 mv. keith williams From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 12:44:17 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: "Roadster List" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:43:40 -0500 Subject: Re: ADQ vs the smog test, round 2 > Two things, first, I ordered the ADQ needles from England and should be >sending them out in a week or so when they get here. Second, I dropped the >ADQ needle to .020 and was able to pass the smog test. It ran clean enough >for a mid 70s car and the drivability was pretty good. If the idle is set at >750 it is still a bit rich but if you raise it to 1000 - 1100 it leans out >and passes fine. I had to use the choke until the engine was completely >warmed up. The engine runs a lot better set richer but you can set it to >pass smog and still drive home. On the oxygen sensor box you need to have a >reading of less than 200 mv. A couple of questions, Keith. Are you going to swap needles again for daily driving or are you subject to being caught up in random roadside sniffer tests? Some time ago we here in metropolitan Texas areas had older cars (more than 25 years old, I think) exempted from emissions testing. However with the increases in population and decrease in air quality, particularly in the D/FW and Houston areas, I wouldn't be surprised to see it reinstated for all road registered cars at some point. I don't know if they still do the random roadside testing in SoCal, but they may have added sniffers on on ramps in addition to the sound level meters that I've heard they use. I know that here the local police sit next to the stadium parking lot that is often used for autocrosses measuring noise levels. I guess Big Brother is still very much with us, far post 1984. Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth ------------------ '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 12:51:48 2000 From: "eugene kay" To: Datsundude@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 18:51:03 GMT Subject: Rear brake springs Hi Dean and all on list: I found your email in the archives with the following question but I couldn't locate the answer in the archives: How are the rear brake springs positioned? I've been slowly reassembling my car over several years and this is one of the pitfalls. For me to understand the positioning of the springs and thus your answer: the way I see it is that one spring is positioned above the axle hub(roughly) near the adjuster and the other is below and thus near the cylinder. thx Eugene Kay '69 2000 '67 2000 _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 13:04:54 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Ronnie Day" , Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:09:32 -0500 Subject: Re: ADQ vs the smog test, round 2 Ronnie Day wrote >A couple of questions, Keith. Are you going to swap needles again for >daily driving or are you subject to being caught up in random roadside >sniffer tests? Some time ago we here in metropolitan Texas areas had >older cars (more than 25 years old, I think) exempted from emissions >testing. However with the increases in population and decrease in air >quality, particularly in the D/FW and Houston areas, I wouldn't be >surprised to see it reinstated for all road registered cars at some point. I've noticed that I may be the only roadster owner in texas that still has the smog gear installed. Do they look for that during the annual inspection.? -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 13:17:29 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: "Marc Tyler" , Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:16:58 -0500 Subject: Re: ADQ vs the smog test, round 2 >I've noticed that I may be the only roadster owner in texas that still >has the smog gear installed. Do they look for that during the annual >inspection.? AFAIK only the annual safety inspection is required, but remember neither of my toys are running or registered. Terry, Pat, or one of the other Texas folks can better answer the question. Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ronnie_day@acd.org ___________ The ACL Group Arlington, Texas (817) 572-0873 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 13:40:31 2000 From: RWM To: Marc Tyler Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 15:39:35 -0400 Subject: Re: ADQ vs the smog test, round 2 They weren't looking for it between 1979 and 1985, when I ran my 2000 Solex with Texas "2L" plates.... without smog gear. - Bob Mann, '69 2000 Solex, now a New York "Historic" Marc Tyler wrote: > > Ronnie Day wrote > > >A couple of questions, Keith. Are you going to swap needles again for > >daily driving or are you subject to being caught up in random roadside > >sniffer tests? Some time ago we here in metropolitan Texas areas had > >older cars (more than 25 years old, I think) exempted from emissions > >testing. However with the increases in population and decrease in air > >quality, particularly in the D/FW and Houston areas, I wouldn't be > >surprised to see it reinstated for all road registered cars at some point. > > > I've noticed that I may be the only roadster owner in texas that still > has the smog gear installed. Do they look for that during the annual > inspection.? > > -Marc T. -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 16:23:07 2000 From: Dan Neff To: list roadster Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: since when do clutches go bad like that?! Well, I missed my first (planned-to-go) WyCROC road trip this weekend, as my daily driver bit the dust Thursday nite (hope you guys are having a GOOD ride, not GREAT, just GOOD :) ). I *JUST* got a pair of Ztherapy carbs installed - an AWESOME improvement, and I was SSSOOOOooooo cranked to travel! So, I'm looking for pointers, advice, support, therapy, counseling, prozac, a shoulder to cry on... Thursday nite, after tidying it up, I went to start it - in first gear, clutch in, and turned motor, and car jumped! Clutch would not disengage!! AaiiggghhHHHHH!!!! Well, I WAS able to track down clutch slave and master cyl's locally, so put them in Friday (sort of - the !@#!@$ master's mounting holes were 45 degs off vertical!! What kinda roadster does THAT fit on?? So, used it for a fast rebuild of the old one). hydraulics move fork a good 5/8" -- is that enough? 'Cause it sure didn't fix it! What's left? I thought clutches went the OTHER direction when they failed? It certainly wasn't slipping, or acting weird before... Then today (Saturday), I tried adjusting the slave's rod (to clutch fork). Tightened it up, and WHOA! It's starts to work again! Pedal play comes out farther than before, but doesn't slip. Get back home, decide to tinker with carbs, go out for another test drive. WHOA! Clutch won't disengage again! What the @!*(#!@ is going on??? thank you for your support, dan neff '69 2000 colordao springs, co www.wycroc.org __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 16:45:31 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Dan Neff" , Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:50:26 -0500 Subject: Re: since when do clutches go bad like that?! Dan Neff wrote > Then today (Saturday), I tried adjusting the slave's rod (to clutch fork). >Tightened it up, and WHOA! It's starts to work again! Pedal play comes out >farther than before, but doesn't slip. Get back home, decide to tinker with >carbs, go out for another test drive. WHOA! Clutch won't disengage again! > What the @!*(#!@ is going on??? > Dan, Any chance that there's air in the hydraulic line? Does the pedal feel mushy? -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 18:49:40 2000 From: Dan Neff To: Marc Tyler Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: since when do clutches go bad like that?! Hi Marc, you wrote: >Dan Neff wrote: >> Then today (Saturday), I tried adjusting the slave's rod (to clutch fork). >>Tightened it up, and WHOA! It's starts to work again! Pedal play comes out >>farther than before, but doesn't slip. Get back home, decide to tinker with >>carbs, go out for another test drive. WHOA! Clutch won't disengage again! >> What the @!*(#!@ is going on??? > >Dan, >Any chance that there's air in the hydraulic line? possible, based on lack of experience: the only other time i've tried flushing a (clutch) line, was with what turned out to be a bad Pep Boys slave cyl on a Camry (translation: I don't think so, but having never KNOWINGLY done one right before...). OTOH, I flushed the !$#!$ out of the line (wasted a LOT of fluid until I thought I got it right), the pedal pressure has since been consistent, and the fork moves that same 5/8" each push... >Does the pedal feel mushy? not at all. dan. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 20:27:39 2000 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:26:47 EDT Subject: Fwd: ADQ vs the smog test, round 2 --part1_51.9b14fa.26ec4b67_boundary Hello all, Here in Nevada 68 and newer get smog checked so my 66 1600 doesn't need to be smogged. I plan to readjust my carbs so that they run better. The ADQ needle can be set to run well richer or to run OK and pass smog. The stock needles are so lean in the midrange that if you lean them out enough to pass at idle they just barely run in the midrange. If you want to pass smog at random tests run them lean and put up with the reduced performance. What happens if you fail the random test? If all you get is a repair and retest ticket with no fine, run rich, and if you get caught, lean it out and go do the test. When I lived in California, if you got a repair ticket for the same violation several times (too noisy, excess height etc.) they would get kind of testy about it. keith In a message dated 9/9/00 11:45:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ronday@home.com writes: << A couple of questions, Keith. Are you going to swap needles again for daily driving or are you subject to being caught up in random roadside sniffer tests? Some time ago we here in metropolitan Texas areas had older cars (more than 25 years old, I think) exempted from emissions testing. However with the increases in population and decrease in air quality, particularly in the D/FW and Houston areas, I wouldn't be surprised to see it reinstated for all road registered cars at some point. I don't know if they still do the random roadside testing in SoCal, but they may have added sniffers on on ramps in addition to the sound level meters that I've heard they use. I know that here the local police sit next to the stadium parking lot that is often used for autocrosses measuring noise levels. I guess Big Brother is still very much with us, far post 1984. Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth >> --part1_51.9b14fa.26ec4b67_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.3]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 14:45:35 -0400 Received: from teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (teamfat2.dsl.aros.net [207.173.21.42]) by rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 14:45:16 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e89Ihj612312 for datsun-roadsters-actors; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:43:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: teamfat2.dsl.aros.net: majordom set sender to owner-datsun-roadsters@Autox.Team.Net using -f Subject: Re: ADQ vs the smog test, round 2 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:43:40 -0500 x-sender: ronday@mail.alntn1.tx.home.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Ronnie Day To: "Roadster List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20000909184340.MKAY22866.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@[24.11.209.149]> Sender: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ronnie Day > Two things, first, I ordered the ADQ needles from England and should be >sending them out in a week or so when they get here. Second, I dropped the >ADQ needle to .020 and was able to pass the smog test. It ran clean enough >for a mid 70s car and the drivability was pretty good. If the idle is set at >750 it is still a bit rich but if you raise it to 1000 - 1100 it leans out >and passes fine. I had to use the choke until the engine was completely >warmed up. The engine runs a lot better set richer but you can set it to >pass smog and still drive home. On the oxygen sensor box you need to have a >reading of less than 200 mv. A couple of questions, Keith. Are you going to swap needles again for daily driving or are you subject to being caught up in random roadside sniffer tests? Some time ago we here in metropolitan Texas areas had older cars (more than 25 years old, I think) exempted from emissions testing. However with the increases in population and decrease in air quality, particularly in the D/FW and Houston areas, I wouldn't be surprised to see it reinstated for all road registered cars at some point. I don't know if they still do the random roadside testing in SoCal, but they may have added sniffers on on ramps in addition to the sound level meters that I've heard they use. I know that here the local police sit next to the stadium parking lot that is often used for autocrosses measuring noise levels. I guess Big Brother is still very much with us, far post 1984. Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth ------------------ '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) --part1_51.9b14fa.26ec4b67_boundary-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 20:40:16 2000 From: SRL311KA@aol.com To: neffster189@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:37:28 EDT Subject: Re: since when do clutches go bad like that?! You have a spring falling out of the center of the clutch disc. It binds the disc to the flywheel. It moves sometimes and will jam others. Sorry, but the clutch needs replacement. Bill Kenyon SRL311 KA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 20:41:50 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:38:08 -0700 Subject: su carbs ok, here's another question that would have been answered if I had a digtal camera before I started this project. Which carb has the vacuum advance hose fitting? (please, oh please tell me it's the rear one!) Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 9 23:02:21 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:58:01 -0700 Subject: re: su carbs Thanks to all responses, it looks like I won't have to R&R and R&R! Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 11:26:03 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:58:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together Good question. I know there is at least one Roadster owner in the islands (I'm not sure which one...). Gary PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > I'll check for it,do these cars hold up rust wise on those islands? > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 12:55:36 2000 From: David Conrad To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:59:50 -1000 Subject: Re: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together Ken: It varies quite a bit depending upon *where* on a given island you are located. Each has a windward, or "wet" side, and a leeward, or "dry" side, in varying degrees, depending upon which island you're talking about. The windward sides, in addition to the "wet" also have the salt content of the prevailing winds to contend with. The leeward side is a benign environment, particularly on the Big Island. I haven't had my soft top up, more than a week or so, total in the last 10 years. My roadster is in quite good condition, rust wise, despite my taking it to Maryland for 3 years. Enjoy Maui! (and imagine driving a roadster to the top of Haleakala or the road to Hana, and beyond). Aloha, Dave '68 1600 Kailua-Kona ("dry side") PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > I'll check for it,do these cars hold up rust wise on those islands? > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 13:46:32 2000 From: David Conrad To: PLETCH5@aol.com, Datsun List Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:50:13 -1000 Subject: Hawaii rides (was Bay Area BADROC...) David Conrad wrote: > Ken: > > It varies quite a bit depending upon *where* on a given island you are > located. Each has a windward, or "wet" side, and a leeward, or "dry" > side, in varying degrees, depending upon which island you're talking > about. The windward sides, in addition to the "wet" also have the salt > content of the prevailing winds to contend with. > > The leeward side is a benign environment, particularly on the Big > Island. I haven't had my soft top up, more than a week or so, total in > the last 10 years. My roadster is in quite good condition, rust wise, > despite my taking it to Maryland for 3 years. > > Enjoy Maui! (and imagine driving a roadster to the top of Haleakala or > the road to Hana, and beyond). > > Aloha, > > Dave > '68 1600 > Kailua-Kona ("dry side") > > PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > > > I'll check for it,do these cars hold up rust wise on those islands? > > > > Ken > > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 16:29:46 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:26:44 -0400 Subject: 1600 for sale in Ohio Not the prettiest 1600 by a long shot, but it does run well and can be driven home. 1968 (titled as a '69) 1600, newer brakes, all sheet metal & chrome rusted but frame appears to be very solid. New battery and electric fuel pump. Asking $500 but begging for an offer. Recent college grad, leaving soon for a new job in NY and has to cell the car before he leaves. Would make a great parts car or possible body shell recipient. SPL311-21899, R-64938 (original 5 main motor) Call Tom @ (440) 779-8155 Paul OROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 16:29:46 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:18:59 -0400 Subject: Digital camera choices, NRC No roadster content, ...Yet! My son is looking for a mid price digital camera. Any one have any opinions on an Olympus D460 1.3 M.Pixel ZOOM? Other choices in the $300 to $500 range? I need to know so I can borrow it when he is home and I want to borrow a good camera!! You can reply to me or directly to my son at . TIA, Paul OROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 16:34:58 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:31:39 -0700 Subject: Cam removal All, I have started to take the cam out of my U20 head. I have removed the rocker arm retainer springs and then the rockers. I have a cam oiler bar that bolts to the lower cam tower studs. It looks like I could unbolt these 2 nuts and then re-install then without disturbing the geometry of the alignment. Next is the 3 nuts that hold the cam bearing caps in place. 2 are 10 mm and 1 is 12 mm. The cam seems to turn freely right now. Looks like it is simple to unbolt these 3 nuts and the cam comes right out. Does this sound right? Bob 67.5 2L Moscow From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 18:08:11 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:12:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Cam removal Sounds right to me. R Haug wrote: > All, > I have started to take the cam out of my U20 head. I have removed the > rocker arm retainer springs and then the rockers. I have a cam oiler > bar that bolts to the lower cam tower studs. It looks like I could > unbolt these 2 nuts and then re-install then without disturbing the > geometry of the alignment. > > Next is the 3 nuts that hold the cam bearing caps in place. 2 are 10 mm > and 1 is 12 mm. The cam seems to turn freely right now. Looks like it > is simple to unbolt these 3 nuts and the cam comes right out. > Does this sound right? > Bob > 67.5 > 2L > Moscow -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 18:32:05 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:31:45 -0500 Subject: roadster picture needed Can anyone send me the URL of a side view of a low windshield 1600 or 2000 with the top and windows up? I am still struggling with what the top cut around the back of the window glass should be. A personal digitized picture would also be fine. Thanks, Pat -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 18:44:54 2000 From: "Scott Perschke" To: "Henry Bahn" , Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:50:33 -0600 Subject: Glen JH, thanks for taking the tranny up for me. Apparently you missed the envelope with T-shirt money in it. Did you get me one anyway? If not who on the list can I get one (large) from? Thanks, Scott P. ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Bahn Cc: Datsun Roadster List Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Sam Turner > Sam are you going to the 'Glen? Call or email me - I'd like to pit w/ > you - maybe I can learn something! > > JH Bahn > 301 622 1803 > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 18:54:14 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: Ronnie Day Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:53:49 -0500 Subject: Re: ADQ vs the smog test, round 2 > >I've noticed that I may be the only roadster owner in texas that still > >has the smog gear installed. Do they look for that during the annual > >inspection.? > > AFAIK only the annual safety inspection is required, but remember neither > of my toys are running or registered. Terry, Pat, or one of the other > Texas folks can better answer the question. > > > Ronnie Day > ronday@home.com > ronnie_day@acd.org > ___________ > The ACL Group > Arlington, Texas > (817) 572-0873 > > > Here in Austin we don't have to pass the smpg tests, no vehicle does. The inspectors do check to see if the pollution stuff is in place, but they don't pull out a manual to see what SHOULD be on the engine. If there are no crimped off lines or unused mounting brackets visible I doubt that anyone would notice. Just after I got my previous roadster on the road I forgot to install the valve cover to air filter breather hose, they caught it and I had to go buy one before they would pass me. Peace, Pat -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 19:01:42 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: Dan Neff Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:01:23 -0500 Subject: Re: since when do clutches go bad like that?! > Well, I missed my first (planned-to-go) WyCROC road trip this weekend, as > my daily driver bit the dust Thursday nite (hope you guys are having a GOOD > ride, not GREAT, just GOOD :) ). > I *JUST* got a pair of Ztherapy carbs installed - an AWESOME improvement, > and I was SSSOOOOooooo cranked to travel! > > So, I'm looking for pointers, advice, support, therapy, counseling, prozac, > a shoulder to cry on... > > Thursday nite, after tidying it up, I went to start it - in > first gear, clutch in, and turned motor, and car jumped! Clutch would > not disengage!! AaiiggghhHHHHH!!!! > Well, I WAS able to track down clutch slave and master cyl's > locally, so put them in Friday (sort of - the !@#!@$ master's mounting > holes were 45 degs off vertical!! What kinda roadster does THAT fit on?? So, > used it for a fast rebuild of the old one). hydraulics move fork a good 5/8" > -- is that enough? 'Cause it sure didn't fix it! > What's left? I thought clutches went the OTHER direction when they failed? > It certainly wasn't slipping, or acting weird before... > Then today (Saturday), I tried adjusting the slave's rod (to clutch fork). > Tightened it up, and WHOA! It's starts to work again! Pedal play comes out > farther than before, but doesn't slip. Get back home, decide to tinker with > carbs, go out for another test drive. WHOA! Clutch won't disengage again! > What the @!*(#!@ is going on??? > > thank you for your support, > dan neff '69 2000 > colordao springs, co > www.wycroc.org > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! It is possible that the clutch IS disengaging, but the grease in the pilot bearing (or the pilot bearing itself) is causing the clutch to appear to not be releasing. Peace, Pat -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 20:13:44 2000 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:12:47 EDT Subject: differential rebuild Hello all, Well, putting off replacing the differential gasket finally caught up with me. On the way back from Shasta COLDBLU ('66 1600) started howling real bad. After I got home I checked the diff. fluid. None, filled it up but it still is noisy. Dragged a spare out of the attic and started going through that chapter in the roadster service manual. I had forgotten how really really bad the English is. In spite of the manual I expect to have it done in time for Doheny. keith williams From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 21:37:25 2000 From: "Tom Householder" To: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:20:46 -0700 Subject: 69 2000 FOR SALE Hello All; Due to some financial problems, I am having to sell my 69 2000. Here are the particulars: 69 2000 SRL311-12049, maroon with black interior. 5-speed. Body straight and virtually rust free. Good running project car. 76,000 miles, Both tops, tonneau, and boot included. Matching numbers. Repairs/Upgrades- SU's and distributor rebuilt/recurved by Mike Kerr/Roadster Restoration. Water pump, alternator,rod bearings, both radiator and heater hoses, air-injection plugs(Tom Walter), Firewall brace(Stan Chernoff) installed. New KYB shocks(4) and Yokohama S306 185/60/14's on stock rims with chrome trim rings. Many extra parts(some NOS) including complete gauge cluster, heater control valve, washer nozzles, washer pump, ignition parts(Nissan) NOS front bumper(never installed, in wrapper) extra RF Fender, extra oil pump and fuel pump, handbrake parts and linkages, etc. All chrome pieces are there and in good shape, including grill. All original keys/locks including gascap. $4500.00 , please call for more details(503)652-1645 Located in Portland, OR.=20 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 22:46:44 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:40:08 -0700 Subject: photopoint update Sorry I haven't posted any new photos in awhile. It's just that roadster Christmas arrived in late August. With all the shiny parts laying around, well, I couldn't just sit there and look at them! I've been a bit busy and Pam gets mad if I grab the Kodak with anti-seize all over my hands. Will be more camera-enabled as the interior goes back together. Enjoy. Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 10 23:47:30 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: Jim Williams Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:34:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Fuel Injection Hi Jim, Have you met Ron Hamilton. He lives in Mesa,AZ and is an absolute font of information about technical roadster struff. Non technical too. For example, he advised me of an easy way to extract the steering shaft from my 1600's steering box. Ron has some simply amazing roadsters. Drop him a line. If Ron doesn't know the answer he will know someone that does...or he will tell a big fib. Guy Tempe,AZ Jim Williams wrote: > I am wondering if anyone has adapted a late model fuel > injection system to a roadster... I am rebuilding my > spare U20 motor and would like to inquire about > adapting it to a fuel injection system... What > computer and wiring harness have others used? Has > anyone adapted the intake manifold to injectors? > Anybody ever add a throttle body injector inside the > SU body??? > Thanks! > Jim Williams > 68 2000 > Scottsdale, AZ > jamesd_williams@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 00:11:50 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: DemonTSi@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:14:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Bay Area BADROC In-And-Out Lunch Get-Together Anyone know where I can borrow or buy real cheap a windshield and frame, for Sunday that will fit a 67.5? I can pick up Friday or Saturday if not to far from Redwood City. I expect to spend some time at the DMV on Friday :-) Oh yeah, I now have put the Solexes on my 2000. I bought them new in 79. David Pina 67.5 2000 69 1600 (Sean's) 70 1600 considering getting it running From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 07:36:15 2000 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:35:18 EDT Subject: looking for trunk spring Hello all, I am looking for a pair of those long torsion bar / springs that counter balance the trunk lid. If anyone has a couple let me know. keith williams keith0alan@aol.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 09:28:47 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:27:51 EDT Subject: 01 Calender Is anybody going to make a 01 calender? Not that I planned on making one but I would hate to have a gap in my calender collection. Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 10:39:31 2000 From: "Ofarrell, Fergus" To: "'roadster.netlist'" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:38:18 -0700 Subject: big people who drive little cars Having previously worked on old VW's, I have long since been acclimated to looking at an area to work on, the reaching in with my hands and working on it while I have my eyes closed and am 'seeing' the remove/re-install go on. I think my neighbors across the alley think I meditate in order to fix things. I spent most of the day Saturday getting my 69 ready for installation/fitting of a tonneau cover today. I thought of putting in the snaps in the new cover myself, but the thought of having an ugly crease or wrinkle when I was done really put me off. So I get out my snap/post set, all of them all nice and shiny and decide that I will start with installing the missing ones, namely two twisties on the back deck and one snap near the drivers door mirror. Little did I realize that the reason that these particular ones were missing (and the reason that the snap in the pass. door near the mirror is painted the body color) is that these require the hands and forearms of a 7-year old to access the backside, to screw on the bolts. The back deck twisties can be accessed from the trunk, so that went fine until I was taking the almost last turn on the bolt, when the wrench slipped out of my cramped fingers and now rides somewhere between the fender well and body. Now all unexplainable rattles can no longer be blamed on PO. Elapsed time: 45 minutes. Techniques developed: Balance a 3/16" washer, a lock washer, and a 7mm nut on the tip of your index finger, then reach in to unseen area and put them on the end of the bolt without upsetting the stack. For the door snap, I realized early on (pronounced: after I'd dropped the little things 4-5 times inside the door and then had to blindly search for them)that the family characterstic of large forearms can sometimes be a definite curse. So after covering my forearm with dishwashing liquid to help me slip it into the door hole (Madge, you're soaking in it) , I got the washer and lock washer on the bolt by jamming each of them under my fingernail and getting them on the shaft. Now the nut. After about 30 minutes (pronounced: another 3-4 blind searches for dropped nut) I realized there was no way I could hold the nut between any two fingers and get it in place. I finally ended up gluing the nut to the fingertip of a latex glove, then holding it in place and turning the snap until it started, then yanking the glove off the nut. (shoulda left the finger tip of the glove on for a real strange picture for someone else to discover) Sorry to go on so long with nothing constructive to contribute. I've found that 50% of all my repair time is spent GAINING ACCESS. Fergus O'Farrell 69 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 10:46:21 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:45:46 EDT Subject: BADROC Run to the hills! If you want to see a great pictorial of the BADROC Run to the Hills from a couploe months ago go to the ZDriver.com site. If you remember, if was a short run we had thru the Bay Area Coastal Hills and then it ended in my backyard for a BBQ. Thats all...... Michael "Calspeed" Carion BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 10:49:01 2000 From: "fredkatz" To: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net>, Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:48:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Digital camera choices, NRC Paul, If you're willing to go high-end then consider the Canon S-10 2.1 Mpixel. I'm thrilled with this camera since buying it a half-year ago. They go for around $400 on the internet but accessories (as with any camera) drive the cost up. Rechargeable/AC adapter another $100+. It's compact, fits in my shirt or pants pocket, takes 1600x1200 uncompressed, all the way down to 800x600 fully compressed, 4x zoom, and a macro. Lots of features. Canon also has better ones with more features (S-20 3.x Mpixel etc.) but cost more. There are lots of websites that compare cameras, check them out. Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> Subject: Digital camera choices, NRC > > My son is looking for a mid price digital camera. Any one have any > opinions on an Olympus D460 1.3 M.Pixel ZOOM? Other choices in the $300 to > $500 range? > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 11:15:45 2000 From: "Ryan, Richard" To: "'Ofarrell, Fergus'" , Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:17:12 -0700 Subject: RE: big people who drive little cars Another way to start blind nuts is to use Silicone RTV. You can "glue" the nut & washer to your finger without the glove. The excess just peels off your hand. 25 years of this has not created any skin problems. Dick Ryan ex. 24022 (650)312-4022 Risk Management Dept. SM 2000/2 FAX (650)312-5830 -----Original Message----- From: Ofarrell, Fergus [mailto:Ofarrell.Fergus@hitco.com] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:38 AM To: 'roadster.netlist' Subject: big people who drive little cars Having previously worked on old VW's, I have long since been acclimated to looking at an area to work on, the reaching in with my hands and working on it while I have my eyes closed and am 'seeing' the remove/re-install go on. I think my neighbors across the alley think I meditate in order to fix things. I spent most of the day Saturday getting my 69 ready for installation/fitting of a tonneau cover today. I thought of putting in the snaps in the new cover myself, but the thought of having an ugly crease or wrinkle when I was done really put me off. So I get out my snap/post set, all of them all nice and shiny and decide that I will start with installing the missing ones, namely two twisties on the back deck and one snap near the drivers door mirror. Little did I realize that the reason that these particular ones were missing (and the reason that the snap in the pass. door near the mirror is painted the body color) is that these require the hands and forearms of a 7-year old to access the backside, to screw on the bolts. The back deck twisties can be accessed from the trunk, so that went fine until I was taking the almost last turn on the bolt, when the wrench slipped out of my cramped fingers and now rides somewhere between the fender well and body. Now all unexplainable rattles can no longer be blamed on PO. Elapsed time: 45 minutes. Techniques developed: Balance a 3/16" washer, a lock washer, and a 7mm nut on the tip of your index finger, then reach in to unseen area and put them on the end of the bolt without upsetting the stack. For the door snap, I realized early on (pronounced: after I'd dropped the little things 4-5 times inside the door and then had to blindly search for them)that the family characterstic of large forearms can sometimes be a definite curse. So after covering my forearm with dishwashing liquid to help me slip it into the door hole (Madge, you're soaking in it) , I got the washer and lock washer on the bolt by jamming each of them under my fingernail and getting them on the shaft. Now the nut. After about 30 minutes (pronounced: another 3-4 blind searches for dropped nut) I realized there was no way I could hold the nut between any two fingers and get it in place. I finally ended up gluing the nut to the fingertip of a latex glove, then holding it in place and turning the snap until it started, then yanking the glove off the nut. (shoulda left the finger tip of the glove on for a real strange picture for someone else to discover) Sorry to go on so long with nothing constructive to contribute. I've found that 50% of all my repair time is spent GAINING ACCESS. Fergus O'Farrell 69 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 13:41:33 2000 From: Dennis Currington To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:36:54 -0700 Subject: Re: 01 Calender PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > Is anybody going to make a 01 calender? Not that I planned on making one but > I would hate to have a gap in my calender collection. > > Ken > DATSTER Ken, We all voted and its your turn :-). We thought a nice large format with high quality glossy photos....and only ONE can be of your nice car. Dennis -- Dennis Currington 1967.5 Solex 2000 San Diego Datsuns.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 14:11:25 2000 From: jschmi7@us.ibm.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:11:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Valve adjustment/noise Last week, while I was on "honey do" vacation, I sent a note detailing my noise in the valve train problem. To remind you, I did a complete adjustment and ended up with a loud clack in the valve train that was not present before. I received several suggestions, all good, but one was correct. First I had to build a 1x6 open ended box the size of the valve cover. I then bought an auto stethescope at Sears. I started the engine with the wood "box" in place and just listened to each valve until I found the greatest amount of noise from #4 exhaust. One of the suggestions was to look at all of the lash pads and the rocker arms for unusual wear. I found #4 rocker to have a strange looking wear pattern on the cam pad. It may have been swapped with another one when I did the rebuild in 96. I have several spares from old parts boxes and I found one that had very little wear and no piting. I replaced the bad one and "SHAZZAM" .... very little valve noise. Thanks for all of the suggestions. John Schmitt Telecommuter Office # - 847-458-7829 Internal phonemail only - 847-240-4725 pager pin# 800-759-8888 pin 8710561 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 14:50:54 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "Ofarrell, Fergus" , Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:50:47 -0400 Subject: Re: big people who drive little cars I usually keep a tube of clear silicone adhesive around just for the purpose of gluing washers and nuts to my finger for reaching into those impossible spaces that Datsun was so fond of engineering into roadsters. Added bonus is the it keeps the nut from loosening and the bolt from rusting! Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: Ofarrell, Fergus I finally ended up gluing the nut to the fingertip of a latex glove, >Fergus O'Farrell >69 2000 > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 14:57:56 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:57:19 -0700 Subject: Transmission gear swapping The Roadster tranny is unique onto the R and U engines. So I know that a 510 tranny isn't a bolt-up swap because of the bellhousing and who knows what else (length? starter location? Whatever). BUT.. are the internal designs similar? Can I pull the internals from a 510 box and put them into a Roadster box? The 510 has two different ratios, one that matches our Roadsters and another, lower ratio. I haven't compared part numbers on the fiche yet; that'll probably tell me, but has anyone out there successfully done such tinkering? -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 15:12:38 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:11:52 EDT Subject: Roadster Bikini top Well, I finally finished making a bikini top for my roadster. I cut up my beat up hard top and used the outer layer of fiberglass,it came out pretty good. About 75mph it flutters alittle,but at least it will keep the sun off my head during the 5 hour shasta drive. Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 15:15:44 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: dc311@mail.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:14:48 EDT Subject: Re: 01 Calender Dont you think it will sell more copies if all 12 months were my car? I could do different angles :') Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:01:09 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:59:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top OK, to head off the more prurient avenues of thought... what the heck does a "bikini top" look like? Gary McCormick San Jose, CA PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > Well, I finally finished making a bikini top for my roadster. I cut up my > beat up hard top and used the outer layer of fiberglass,it came out pretty > good. About 75mph it flutters alittle,but at least it will keep the sun off > my head during the 5 hour shasta drive. > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:02:36 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:00:43 -0700 Subject: Re: 01 Calender It depends how she looks in that bikini... Gary McCormick San Jose, CA PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > Dont you think it will sell more copies if all 12 months were my car? I could > do different angles :') > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:07:03 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:03:41 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top It goes from the top of the winshield to the roll bar. I had to use the old hard top otherwise it would have hit the top of my head. I needed the clearance. Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:08:35 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:06:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top Oh, I get it... sort of a reverse targa top. Gary PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > It goes from the top of the winshield to the roll bar. I had to use the old > hard top otherwise it would have hit the top of my head. I needed the > clearance. > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:10:12 2000 From: Doris To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:06:43 -0700 Subject: Re: 01 Calender hehehehehehehe, LOL, ROFLOL PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > Dont you think it will sell more copies if all 12 months were my car? I could > do different angles :') > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:11:18 2000 From: Doris To: PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:08:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top Can we see a picture please? Is it purple with white stipes? ;O) PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > Well, I finally finished making a bikini top for my roadster. I cut up my > beat up hard top and used the outer layer of fiberglass,it came out pretty > good. About 75mph it flutters alittle,but at least it will keep the sun off > my head during the 5 hour shasta drive. > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:19:30 2000 From: Michael To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Distrubutor Adjustment I think may have inadvertantly misaligned my distributor when I was rebuilding the engine. At TDC the lobe on the distributor is not yet opening the points. Is it possible it is out of adjustment? If so how do I correct this? The two shafts are aigned properly according to the gear marks. Michael 67 1600 Va Bch VA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:19:36 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:18:06 EDT Subject: Website update + 01 Calendar Congratulations to Borre Johnsen of Norway for the first entry in the Register's new guestbook, uploaded yesterday. He wins an awesome Skyline GT-R 34 brochure (sorry Fairlady brochures too scarce!). URL:- http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Guestbook.htm Also check out a powerful new site search engine uploaded yesterday on the Index page, URL:- http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Index.htm All for now except a last thought. If we were to have a Roadster calendar featuring roadgoing UK Roadsters in 2001, we'd run out of cars around May or June. Ken, how about different angles of your car from July - December? Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:45:07 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com, PLETCH5@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:41:41 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top Hi Ken Do you have a sunroof in that top? (or is that defeating the object?) Seriously, how is the rear attached - do you use the existing mounts rear of the doors or does it attach to the rollbar? Curious. Rob (nice white 1600 in the shop awaiting blue stripes - horrible black Snug Top in the garage - awaiting hacksaw??) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 16:56:27 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "John F Sandhoff" , Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:53:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping > The Roadster tranny is unique onto the R and U engines. So I know > that a 510 tranny isn't a bolt-up swap because of the bellhousing and > who knows what else (length? starter location? Whatever). BUT.. > are the internal designs similar? Can I pull the internals from a 510 > box and put them into a Roadster box? The 510 has two different ratios, > one that matches our Roadsters and another, lower ratio. I haven't > compared part numbers on the fiche yet; that'll probably tell me, but > has anyone out there successfully done such tinkering? > > -- John > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA Hi John- I've wondered this too, especially as the Z units seem to be more common (read=inexpensive) than the roadster trannies. Way-back-in-tha-day, before the 5speed 280Z's came along, it was not unheard of to put a roadster trans in a 240Z. Building theory on hearsay (heresy?;-) it stands to reason that the L bellhousing can be swapped with the U/R bellhousing... (I can hear someone out there thinking, "U/R silly!") I have it first hand from a local Z dude that the servo-type roadster five speeds appear nearly identical to the BW-type Z units. 'Course, things can look a lot alike and still be incompatible. So I dunno! But it seems that you could put a Z/ZX/510/PU/200sx/etc trans into a roadster with a bellhousing swap. But it's likely more complicated... bearing bores and shift rod holes have been mentioned as a stumbling block when converting a CA tranny to L-series duty; I wouldn't be surprised to hear that similar shenanigans are required for a L->U/R swap. Anyone have some of ye olde Z-carre hop up manuals from the mid/late 70's hanging about, and/or have first-hand knowledge of what it takes to get a roadster unit in a Z? That tech oughtta be backwards- compatible with a Z->roadster swap. 'Course, I've just shelled out the bucks to fix my Roadster 5spd, so there better not be an easy L-tranny swap;-D HTH Kyle still broken From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 17:12:10 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:07:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top Hey Ken, Don't they sell hats in CA, you know those sombrero types with a chin strap to hold it on your head when you're cruisin at 85????? 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top > It goes from the top of the winshield to the roll bar. I had to use the old > hard top otherwise it would have hit the top of my head. I needed the > clearance. > > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 17:34:51 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "datsunmike" , , Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:38:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top datsunmike wrote >Hey Ken, > >Don't they sell hats in CA, you know those sombrero types with a chin strap >to hold it on your head when you're cruisin at 85????? You'd need to attach guy wires to the car (perhaps the frontmost soft-top twisties) and for good handling, be sure to choose a ground-effects hat. -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 17:44:30 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Datsun Roadster List" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:40:22 -0400 Subject: The Glen It was a great weekend at the Glen. There were about 25 cars or so, but because of a heavy downpour (the Glen would not be the Glen w/o rain at some point during the weekend), I did not count all the cars. Tom "Iron Ass" Phelan won the long distance award, Charlie Ellis won 1st place peoples choice and Mike Sacks won 2nd place. However, there were 6 roadsters racing 1 2L, 4 1.6Ls, and 1 1500. Additionally there were about 6 or 7 Zs also racing including the original Bob Sharp racer. Fortunately all came away w/o damage except for 1 Z which snapped a drive shaft and a 1600 which because of a $2 part died on the race track after the warm up lap. The plastic ball which attaches to the linkage was worn and fell off and the carb plate which holds the return springs also broke loose. Oh well!!!!!! The people were great and the commraderie was infectous. It was nice to talk Roadster speak in person rather than over a cable line. I have been attending since '87, which was the first year, and 6 or 7 cars and about 15 people made the show that first year. There have been as many as 45 cars in years past but this year several people could not make it. Hopefully all who could not attend this year will make it next year!!!!!! More the merrier!! Yeah, you in CA can laugh at 45 cars but for these here parts where rust is as common as a cold, that's a pretty good showing. Thanks to all the vendors who supported us and donated the prizes and it was nice to see Dean and Les attend to meet the dudes from the east. Interesting that both of them originally hailed from the east. On a personal level I did some great parts swapping this weekend which made my house and me happy. Looking forward to 2001, 66 Mike From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 17:46:40 2000 From: T and E Corcoran To: John F Sandhoff Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:43:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping John, One of my 1500's has a 1600 bell housing and clutch mated to a 510 gear set and tail housing. I get a better clutch and 1rst gear syncro. "close ratio gear set" Works great. Regards, Tim 2 1500 Fairlady's John F Sandhoff wrote: > The Roadster tranny is unique onto the R and U engines. So I know > that a 510 tranny isn't a bolt-up swap because of the bellhousing and > who knows what else (length? starter location? Whatever). BUT.. > are the internal designs similar? Can I pull the internals from a 510 > box and put them into a Roadster box? The 510 has two different ratios, > one that matches our Roadsters and another, lower ratio. I haven't > compared part numbers on the fiche yet; that'll probably tell me, but > has anyone out there successfully done such tinkering? > > -- John > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 18:01:46 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: RoadsteRob@aol.com, svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:59:27 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top It attaches to the roll bar. I bought 2 magnetic drop light holders from a local tool truck and I removed the magnet. I has a velcro strap that attaches to the roll bar and I used the front latch TADA! instant bikini top. Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 18:06:09 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Kyle Hagemann" , "John F Sandhoff" , Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:01:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping The later Zs (72 and later) and 510s had 2 piece casings w/an integral bell housing attached as the 4 speed is. >From what i have read the gears and other parts are not interchageable. They are close but no cigar!!!!! 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle Hagemann To: John F Sandhoff ; Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping > > The Roadster tranny is unique onto the R and U engines. So I know > > that a 510 tranny isn't a bolt-up swap because of the bellhousing and > > who knows what else (length? starter location? Whatever). BUT.. > > are the internal designs similar? Can I pull the internals from a 510 > > box and put them into a Roadster box? The 510 has two different ratios, > > one that matches our Roadsters and another, lower ratio. I haven't > > compared part numbers on the fiche yet; that'll probably tell me, but > > has anyone out there successfully done such tinkering? > > > > -- John > > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA > > Hi John- > > I've wondered this too, especially as the Z units seem to be more > common (read=inexpensive) than the roadster trannies. > > Way-back-in-tha-day, before the 5speed 280Z's came along, it was > not unheard of to put a roadster trans in a 240Z. Building theory > on hearsay (heresy?;-) it stands to reason that the L bellhousing > can be swapped with the U/R bellhousing... (I can hear someone out > there thinking, "U/R silly!") > > I have it first hand from a local Z dude that the servo-type roadster > five speeds appear nearly identical to the BW-type Z units. 'Course, > things can look a lot alike and still be incompatible. > > So I dunno! But it seems that you could put a Z/ZX/510/PU/200sx/etc > trans into a roadster with a bellhousing swap. But it's likely more > complicated... bearing bores and shift rod holes have been mentioned > as a stumbling block when converting a CA tranny to L-series duty; I > wouldn't be surprised to hear that similar shenanigans are required > for a L->U/R swap. > > Anyone have some of ye olde Z-carre hop up manuals from the mid/late > 70's hanging about, and/or have first-hand knowledge of what it takes > to get a roadster unit in a Z? That tech oughtta be backwards- > compatible with a Z->roadster swap. > > 'Course, I've just shelled out the bucks to fix my Roadster 5spd, so > there better not be an easy L-tranny swap;-D > > HTH > Kyle > still broken > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 19:10:39 2000 From: Mark Dent To: PLETCH5@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:07:23 -0400 Subject: Re: 01 Calender Been there. Done that. Got the T-shirt. Sorry to say, there is not enough support to justify it. Shame Mark Baltimore 1968 1600 http://www.datsunroadsters.com http://www.roadster.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 19:28:34 2000 From: SGHT@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:27:46 EDT Subject: Watkins Glen Hey guys-I am disappointed there are not more comments about the Glen. Great show of cars, lots of roadsters and Z cars racing, etc. I was not able to go but my partner in Datsuns, Barry Brown, ran our new 1600, and got second in class! We are very excited. Sam Turner Small Bucks Racing From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 20:30:51 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: SGHT@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:29:59 EDT Subject: Re: Watkins Glen part of the story! How sweet it was! This was my first year at the Glen, however without the Datsun. I have to say once again, in case someone missed it, Dawn's 1500 is a Be-u-ti-ful car. She 'talked Dave into getting it for her at a previous Glen meet. My wife and I have a wonderful time, as anyone there can aggree. After haveing the my roadster for about 4 years, and missing the Glen up until this year, we are highly motivated into taking on the journey next sept. By the way, Next year will be the 15th year for this gathering, Hopefully we will se roadsters in force, I know there are alot of guys that didn't make it in my area. I am thinking about brewing a batck of home brew beer for the event next years event. My wife Evy now has Datsun fever. I hoped she would enjoy the event, as it turns out she seemed to have more fun than me! She was cracking on Deans (Fairlady Products) Mexican accent. The two of them are from NYC and were ribbing each other every chance they got. Thanks for coming out Dean (really). Besides the beautiful 1500, there were many handsome 1600's and 2000's there. I did not see 1 butchered car there. I like them original, of course to each his own, and I almost expected a few flaired out or motored out cars, but I was happily suprised to see many very stock and a few with minor mods... wheels, carbs etc. I once considered flaring my fenders, I have since converted, seeing a flared out mess at a datsun shop in vienna Va. My wife also made us t-shirts (2) one ea. mine had 'DAT2000SRL', hers 'ROADSTER LOVER' . We captured a pic on the net, CALSPEED!! in his race car in front of a Viper, we cut the Viper out of the pic, and printed it out on iron on paper, we got lots of compliments, thanks CALSPEED, great pic! I hope your not gonna come after me for copyright violations, we didn't sell them. We took some pics , and will post them on the net when them come in. Can't wait til next year. Larry and Evy 2000 69 in 2001 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 20:57:45 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: Dat2000srl@aol.com, SGHT@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:56:59 EDT Subject: Re: Watkins Glen part of the story! In a message dated 9/12/00 2:32:32 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Dat2000srl@aol.com writes: << My wife also made us t-shirts (2) one ea. mine had 'DAT2000SRL', hers 'ROADSTER LOVER' . We captured a pic on the net, CALSPEED!! in his race car in front of a Viper, we cut the Viper out of the pic, and printed it out on iron on paper, we got lots of compliments, thanks CALSPEED, great pic! I hope your not gonna come after me for copyright violations, we didn't sell them. >> Actually, that is a good pic! If you want you have my permission to use it to sell. I have no problem with it. Just save me one before you sell out. Btw... keep the Viper in there! ;>) Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 21:08:46 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: PLETCH5@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:08:09 EDT Subject: Re: 01 Calender In a message dated 9/11/00 3:39:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, PLETCH5@aol.com writes: << Is anybody going to make a 01 calender? Not that I planned on making one but I would hate to have a gap in my calender collection. >> Hello, I was considering making a second Classic Datsun calendar. I have all of the artwork and text ready to go. Yeah... the pics too. It would be the same format as the 1999 calendar. Same Full color 12"x24" size and same amount of pics... 20 plus. Although I am not sure if I want to put the time into it. Because of my new baby I am enjoying the Mr "Mom" role. I am torn between my baby time or marketing the calendar. Well, it could also be that I am just lazy. I certqainly dont need to do the same amount of traveling like last year. But it is something I will consider. I am sure that the same folks are interested in a calendar like the one I made in '99. I have also recieved a request from an aftermarketer in Japan. If it happens again I will let you know. Michael "Calspeed" Carion BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 11 21:09:27 2000 From: "spencer" To: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:59:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top I used an extra top frame for the "bikini top" (we call it a surrey top) on my 67.5. The windows were shot anyway so I simply cut the vinyl even with the top of the windows. I then stitched the back across the top onto the rearmost bow. I also shaped two sticks to firmly spread the last two bows apart. When latched in the front, it's fine, firm and fairly flap free at any speed. The wood pieces resemble airfoils with notches in front and back (to accomodate the shape of the edge of the bows). I also used strips of Velcro to wrap around each bow and back onto the bottom of the wood spreader so I can rip 'em off, slip the spreader to the side and drop the top into it's bucket within 20 seconds. Up takes a little longer because the top has to stretch a bit to install the spreader, but no more than a minute and a few grunts. Also, with the surrey top on and the windows cranked up, the heater does a fairly good job of keeping the little woman warm and friendly. Can't go wrong there! And, it's neat to be at a stoplight, in the shade, on a HOT day and be able to quickly unlatch the front and open the top like a clamshell, let the heat out and the breeze through, then drop it back into place and latch it before the car ahead even moves. Besta luck, Mark in Modesto From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 00:35:21 2000 From: "Victor Laury" To: "Ofarrell, Fergus" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:17:44 -0700 Subject: Re: big people who drive little cars >I finally ended up gluing the nut to the fingertip of a latex glove, then holding it in place and turning the snap until it started, then yanking the glove off the nut. Sorry to go on so long with nothing constructive to contribute. Fergus O'Farrell 69 2000 Nothing to contribute?!? NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE?!? This glove\glue gimmick is great! Fergus, you just contributed more than you know! Big fat arms and lots of little nuts and washers rattling around in dark secret places, Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 01:16:14 2000 From: "Victor Laury" To: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:59:12 -0700 Subject: Back on street tires I finally returned my street tires to the car and it was about time! The BFG Comp T/A R1's are fantastic, but they knock the hell out of you! Plus that, I do intend to keep using them for AutoX and with a 50 tread life index, they weren't going to last long diving to work. Moreover, They say it may rain tomorrow. I don't think those "Almost slicks" would have been much fun in the wet! Well the Goodyears are back on and the feel great. Although, no one will be pointing at my tires any more, saying "Hey mister, your tires are worn out smooth!" (got a kick out of that!) Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 04:28:12 2000 From: Nick Turi To: SGHT@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:29:38 -0600 Subject: Re: Watkins Glen Was at the Glen this weekend an it absolutely fabulous. There was a little rain on Saturday morning but overall it was very nice for all events. The show and shine morning was the only wet time. I went to the track and had a exceptional time there. The racers and crew were hanging around talking and working on their cars. They were anxious to talk to all of us and take pictures and give autographs. By late morning the weather had cleared and events had begun. We got to do the drive around the track and see some races. There was plenty of time to talk and party with the roadsters owners. The bomb fire and raffle was terrific. Even the legends of roadster lore were there. (Tom Phalen, Les Cannaday). This a very special event with the Vintage cars and win tours. Most of the vintage cars were able to cruse through town on the old Grand Prix run with spectators lining the street. I was able to take my '66 around the track on Friday. GREAT time. Nick '66 M 9/11/00 -0400, SGHT@aol.com wrote: >Hey guys-I am disappointed there are not more comments about the Glen. >Great show of cars, lots of roadsters and Z cars racing, etc. I was not able >to go but my partner in Datsuns, Barry Brown, ran our new 1600, and got >second in class! We are very excited. >Sam Turner >Small Bucks Racing From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 04:49:02 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: casalp@earthlink.net, study_muffin@hotmail.com, jem@milleredp.com, Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:47:39 EDT Subject: Reminder... BADROC get together and In-And-Out this sunday Just a quick reminder about the get together this coming sunday (the 17th). It's at the In-And-Out in mtn. view. Location info is here: http://www.in-n-out.com/cgi-bin/inosearch.pl?category=store&data_in=129 The earlier we show up, the greater chance we have of getting good parking spaces. I've also been informed that a Krisy Kreme donut shop has opened up across the street... I'm not sure what relevance that has, but it's just good to know (I've never had their donuts :) Soooo... try to show up around 11:00-11:15am or so, and we'll see you there! \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 06:58:00 2000 From: "Scott Perschke" To: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:53:48 -0700 Subject: T-shirts Can I get a T-shirt from the Roadsters-at-the-Glen meet? Are there any larges left? Scott P. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 07:29:23 2000 From: Howard Fletcher To: "'Mike Poorboy'" , Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:39:32 +1000 Subject: RE: Clutch change story $600 bucks just for an overnight job !. One afternoon racing at Phillip island a couple of years back I had a clutch fail. With a fellow Z car racer (and Z workshop), we drove back 2 hours to his workshop in Melbourne, had dinner and started at 8pm. We had already spent a day racing and we were a bit tired. With a bit of funbling around we had the thing in and out and ready for a test drive at 3am - got to bed at his house at 3:30am woke at 5:30 and drove to the race track to be thare at 7am for scrutineering. my first race was at 9am and I could hardly keep my eyes open. I know guys who have got an engine out in 2 hours with air tools, experts - a non roadsterite may take two days. Regards Howard -----Original Message----- From: Mike Poorboy [SMTP:bitterrootprop@nidlink.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 September 2000 11:32 To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Clutch change story List, I have to tell this story I heard today. I stopped by my buddy Joe Klokkevold's shop today and their were to Roadsters there that I had never seen before. I asked about the 70' 1600 he had out back and he told me the guy came to him to replace the clutch and he quoted him $600.00 and the guy told him that was high and went somewhere else. The other place quoted him $250.00 not knowing the engine has to come out first. Well they couldn't get the engine mount loose so they cut it off at the frame and when it came time to put it back in they used JB weld to attach it. They also stripped the transmission mounting bolts out and used sheet metal screws to reattach it. When they couldn't get the speedo cable loose they took bolt cutters and cut it in half. They also bent the throttle shaft in the trans tunnel when lifting the engine out. Joe said it cost the guy over $600.00 for him to repair the damage the other guys did. I guess he should have stayed with someone who has done a clutch job on a Roadster. Mike Nowroc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 08:51:42 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:51:00 PDT Subject: Web Mania for Datsuns Hello All, Just wanted to drop a note saying congrats to all of the clubs who have raised the bar as far as their websites go. I would imagine that at least half of the current members of SoCalROC are here because they found our website and wanted to join. I want to offer thanks to Jim Bunte for creating a great site for SoCalROC. For those of you who have not seen it for a while, check out WWW.AMERI-EAGLE.COM/DATSUN. Jim has done a great job and it looks great. I often check the other club's sites and they look great too. So hats off to the people making the pages. It takes a lot of work to do. Regards, Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 09:04:09 2000 From: Nathen Ruffcorn To: "Victor Laury" , Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: big people who drive little cars Sorry I'm a late contributor-been away from the computer for a few days. I like to glue trick. Something I've used with success is putting a dab of gun grease on the tip of my finger and "sticking" the nut/washer/lockwasher stack to the tip. Definitely sticky stuff!-easy clean-up too. To top it off, you can impress your friends by simulating the Dairy Queen Blizzard upside down test . Nruff >I finally ended up gluing the nut to the fingertip of a latex glove, then holding it in place and turning the snap until it started, then yanking the glove off the nut. Sorry to go on so long with nothing constructive to contribute. Fergus O'Farrell 69 2000 Nothing to contribute?!? NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE?!? This glove\glue gimmick is great! Fergus, you just contributed more than you know! Big fat arms and lots of little nuts and washers rattling around in dark secret places, Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 09:07:39 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:06:57 PDT Subject: Two for one deal in Colorado Hey Listers! For those of you in the WYCROC crowd, saw this add on traderonline: http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?3923166 I have no idea what king of shape the cars are in, but for 2500.00 it might be worth checking out. Andrew Murphy SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 09:57:24 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:51:53 -0700 Subject: '69 spotted in SF Hi, Spotted a '69 blue roadster barreling south across Market Street on 10th in San Francisco this morning. Top down, rollbar, and the driver had what looked like a headband on his head. Not a sora blue, but darker. No one I recognized. Is this anyone on the list? Still spotting roadsters that don't join up with others. Sunday I spotted a black 2000 ('68?) in the western addition of SF. I recognized it as belonging to a couple I approached last year and gave them our BADROC card. No response since then. Fred - So.SF, CA BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 11:21:05 2000 From: VulForge@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:19:49 EDT Subject: (no subject) Hey, Roman, or anyone else that might know; Where did you get the diaphragm to rebuild the fuel pump? I have an early 67 1600 and the pump has two rings of screws. Looks like it should come apart easily. It seems to be dumping gas out the bottom instead of pumping. I was supposed to be taking the roadster in for an aligmment, but at least I found the gas leak! Russell Criswell Kansas City MO 67 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 11:28:39 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: earlydatsun@listbot.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:28:00 EDT Subject: Re: Website update + 01 Calendar Hi list Thanks Edgar and good luck with the project - BTW if there is anyone out there with an SPL212/213 looking for back light units, these are the same as the Austin A50 units as built by Nissan in the 1950s. The lenses are available brand new over here and NOS complete units become available from time to time - let me know if I can help. Regards Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 11:41:06 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net'" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:38:46 -0700 Subject: AutoX - much better in San Diego Well, I did much better in San Diego. I was on the race rubber. My class times are still terrible but I did Much Better (4 secs!) in "Time only". I still have a long way to go until those Miatas have to worry. Take a look for yourselves http://www.sdr-solo2.com/results.htm You'll see one of my class runs is a 92! I got lost on the course! And another 84 where I spun out. Obviously, to be competitive, you have to learn the course faster. Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 11:48:26 2000 From: TRRACE@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:47:51 EDT Subject: P310 Bluebirds Hello all! I was wondering if anyone knew, how hard is it to get parts for the restoration of a P310 4 door sedan? Any vendors specialize in parts for these cars? Thanx in advance for any information you can provide me. Trrace@aol.com 67 1600 69 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 12:04:54 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: VulForge@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:02:49 -0700 Subject: re: Fuel pump rebuild It was asked: > Where did you get the diaphragm to rebuild the fuel pump? First you have to determine if it's a rebuildable pump. Apparently just 'cause you can take it apart, doesn't mean you can replace the diaphram. Check out the description on Rallye Roadster's web page http://www.datsunroadster.com/PIC_PAGES/NEW_PARTS_PIC_PAGES/170-06.htm -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 12:05:28 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "311" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:02:31 -0700 Subject: Servo synchros inspection Hi all- I've got my spare-parts transmission apart. Anyone know how to tell a good synchro from a bad one? I'm familiar with the little teeth on the outer circumference, but the rest of the servo-type synchro is a bit mysterious! There also appears to be a coating of some friction material where the shifter ring contacts the synchro assembly - is that supposed to be smooth or rough? The material/coating appears black and vaguely rubbery, with an uneven surface. Maybe somebody has a picture of a new one? I'll be posting pictures of my adventures shortly. Thanks a ton! ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, engine/trans out, making a big mess ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 12:06:08 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'VulForge@aol.com'" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:04:01 -0700 Subject: RE: (no subject) >Hey, Roman, or anyone else that might know; Where did you get the diaphragm to rebuild the fuel pump? I have an early 67 1600 and the pump has two rings of screws. Looks like it should come apart easily. It seems to be dumping gas out the bottom instead of pumping. Russell Criswell Kansas City MO 67 1600 We, Roman and I, got them from Stan Chernoff. It is easy to rebuild. Even the "non Rebuildable" one uses the same diaphragm. It's only considered non rebuildable because the replacement diaphragm wont engage with the actuator arm without removing the pivot, witch is further complicated by the fact that two steel balls were installed to retain the pivot. In other words, it can be done, It's just more of a hassle. You've got to drive the ball to the pivot and then, all the way through. Don't concern yourself with all this now, just buy the diaphragm. It's more likely you'll have no problem engaging the diaphragm and be on your way in less than thirty minutes. Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 12:19:27 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:18:36 EDT Subject: Re: 01 Calender In a message dated 9/12/00 5:33:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov writes: << It would be neat to have one month show the early sketches of the Fairlady 1500 by Hidehiro Iizuka - as if you need more suggestions :-) >> Actually, that is a good idea but because of copywrites people get avery sensitive about publication. And rightly so... But thanks for the suggestion. Michael "Calspeed" Carion From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 12:33:04 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:32:12 EDT Subject: Re: 01 Calender In a message dated 9/12/00 10:14:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, neffster189@yahoo.com writes: << I sure enjoyed your '99 calendar. Would love to see you do a 2001, but I can sympathize with the family role 'interfering'! If I was you (my kids are pretty much grown), I'd strap that baby in the car and go cruising, before I'd worry about a calendar!! Anyway, just out of curiousity.. I don't know ANYTHING about calendar-making, and was wondering if you can give me an idea of what's involved? >> Oh.... I already do that. I have been giving my little Rosie a ride in the Roadster since she was 6 months old. She is really starting to like it now. We go on short drives through Chinatown and into Golden Gate Park. The beach is always nice too. In regards to the calendar... making a calendar really depends on the amount of quality involved and the quantity produced. For '99 I went with the bear minimum in quantity, (2000) and the highest quality I could get. My photography was the limiting factor. Although I think that came out fairly decent. ;>) Anyway, the cost to make a calendar like the one I made in 1999 was roughly $9500.00. Yikes...! It still scares me to talk about it. Obviously, I didnt expect to make alot of money on it. Reasons are apparent... number of enthusiasts, etc. But I did take a small loss which was no big deal since I made alot of friends during the process. I also had the opportunity, (and excuse) to do alittle traveling in the Datsun to the many different shows on the west coast. But it was the people that I met that made the calendar a success for me. So if anyone wants to make a calendar I would say try it out. It is alot of work but it can be quite an experience. Ohhhh did I mention that it was alot of work too? ;>) Michael "Calspeed" Carion BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 12:33:22 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:32:39 -0700 Subject: Sounds like a Datsun 1000? Advertised for sale in the Sacramento area: Datsun 1959 4dr classic, body perfect, nds inter wrk $900. 916-663-1100 Sounds like a Datsun 1000, which if you haven't seen one is a boxy, totally British looking thing. There was one at Mt. Shasta. BTW, Ross (Washington State/Canada) has a 1000 for sale as well. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 12:36:23 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'TRRACE@aol.com'" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:35:41 -0700 Subject: RE: P310 Bluebirds >I was wondering if anyone knew, how hard is it to get parts for the restoration of a P310 4 door sedan? Any vendors specialize in parts for these cars? Trrace@aol.com Tracy, PL310's are very cool cars. Parts are a pain but can be had. CDM, Sports Imports and Roadster Restorations will have some parts available. Tanya Bryant in OR has quite a few parts as well as being a very cool Datsun nut. I bought ALL my engine rebuild parts from my local parts house (but then, I had a Counterman willing to research for me). Universal Nissan in LA has a Parts Manager that was also willing to help and search is database. Be sure to subscribe to the early-datsun list. You will find that allot of parts are also Roadster parts. (door handles, dash pulls, wing window latches and more) Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 14:40:17 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: sandhoff@csus.edu, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:38:56 EDT Subject: Re: Sounds like a Datsun 1000? In a message dated 9/12/00 7:34:46 PM GMT Daylight Time, sandhoff@csus.edu writes: << Sounds like a Datsun 1000, which if you haven't seen one is a boxy, totally British looking thing. >> Should I take exception to that?? Rob British - and boxy? From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 14:50:22 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: rulee@cityscape.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:49:13 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top In a message dated 9/12/00 3:23:12 AM GMT Daylight Time, rulee@cityscape.net writes: << Rob, don't you think with your weather you should keep the hard top intact?>> Hi Russell Now if I wasn't the eternal optimist and took that line then I'd never buy a car without a roof! - Good point though, perhaps I need to review - Classic Yugo Sedan Register anyone?? Rob British - and boxy? Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 14:55:06 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:54:37 EDT Subject: Lightening an R16 flywheel Does anyone know what the weight is of a stock R16 flywheel..? And has anyone ever had one lightened? How much can be removed safely? It does look like a THICK chunk of cast, so I'm assuming it can be lightened quite a bit... Thanks in advance \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 15:18:52 2000 From: noji To: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:31:31 -0700 Subject: Gas over there List, As I went to the pump the other day I spent $2.03 a gallon for regular. What are the current prices in the UK/continent? It must be outrageous. Dana -- Dana Nojima, Ph.D. Department of Urology VA Medical Center - 112F 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 fax: (415) 750-6639 noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 15:33:36 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:29:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Lightening an R16 flywheel Van, The Bob Sharp comp manual has all the details. I do believe it is on a web site. If not I can photocopy it for you and send it via snail mail. 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:54 PM Subject: Lightening an R16 flywheel > Does anyone know what the weight is of a stock R16 flywheel..? And has anyone > ever had one lightened? How much can be removed safely? It does look like a > THICK chunk of cast, so I'm assuming it can be lightened quite a bit... > Thanks in advance > > \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 15:36:04 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:31:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Watkins Glen Sam & Barry, Nice lookin' car. I wish you mucho success and happiness with your new baby. Looks like you're gettin' some competition finally from some roadsters. 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:27 PM Subject: Watkins Glen > Hey guys-I am disappointed there are not more comments about the Glen. > Great show of cars, lots of roadsters and Z cars racing, etc. I was not able > to go but my partner in Datsuns, Barry Brown, ran our new 1600, and got > second in class! We are very excited. > Sam Turner > Small Bucks Racing From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 15:46:15 2000 From: Roman Rist To: VulForge@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: (ful pump) --0-1350490027-968795137=:11810 undefined --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-1350490027-968795137=:11810 undefined


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Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-1350490027-968795137=:11810-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 15:46:18 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: noji@snowman.med.umn.edu, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:44:53 EDT Subject: Re: Gas over there Yes, we're having some fun over here Currently the tax on fuel, coupled with the low production by OPEC has sent prices to 85p ($1.30?) per LITRE. We currently have (friendly) blockades by truckers/farmers/taxidrivers etc of around 2/3 of all oil terminals in the UK. 70% of gas stations are out of fuel, esp unleaded- those that have unleaded fuel have dangerous tailbacks onto motorways etc. We now have panic buying of food and other essentials, and some gas stations are now charging £1.99 and even £2.20 per LITRE!! I would die for $2.03 per gallon!! Roadster Content - Although my 260Z daily driver runs on unleaded, my roadsters (like many other 'classics' over here) run on Lead Replacement Petrol, and today I drove to work in my 2000 - A great sight at the gas station awaited - at a nearly empty forecourt (they'd run out of unleaded) I filled up with LRP alongside a beautiful Jag XK120 Roadster. Whilst I was pulling out of the station a concours gold 1940s Triumph 1800 Roadster pulled in - this is perhaps not typical of the state of affairs but this 'crisis' has sure brought out some nice machinery which we may not otherwise see on our roads. We await to see what tomorrow brings but in the meantime the Government are not bending - shame. Rob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 15:59:57 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:59:21 EDT Subject: Re: Lightening an R16 flywheel In a message dated 09/12/2000 2:35:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, datsunmike@nyc.rr.com writes: > The Bob Sharp comp manual has all the details. I do believe it is on a web > site. If not I can photocopy it for you and send it via snail mail. Thanks for the info everybody... I neglected to check out the bob sharp manual! I do have copies of them, and will go through them soon... and then we might be able to provide some interesting pics of a "special" project 1600 soon. :) Thanks again to everyone!! \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 16:04:09 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: " non rebuildable" fuel pump --0-304089172-968796218=:21357 I have rebuilt the supposedly "non-rebuildable" fuel pump. There is no such thing! They were put together out of parts, they can be taken apart, Stan has the parts, and they can be put back together again! In my humble opinion, all non rebuildable means is pain in the a-- to do. with parts getting more scarce, I'm sure we'll all be rebuilding Non rebuildable parts in the future. The "rebuildable" pump diaprham can be replaced with the pump installed on the car. 15 minutes tops. The "non rebuildable" one, well , just more hassle and time. But, if you insist, buy a new one ($60- 75, I think), send your old one to me and I'll rebuild it. Roman Rist --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-304089172-968796218=:21357

I have rebuilt the supposedly "non-rebuildable" fuel pump. There is no such thing! They were put together out of parts, they can be taken apart, Stan has the parts, and they can be put back together again! 

In my humble opinion, all non rebuildable means is pain in the a-- to do. with parts getting more scarce, I'm sure we'll all be rebuilding Non rebuildable parts in the future.

The "rebuildable" pump diaprham can be replaced with the pump installed on the car. 15 minutes tops.

The "non rebuildable" one,    well , just more hassle and time. But, if you insist, buy a new one ($60- 75,  I think), send your old one to me and I'll rebuild it. 

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Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-304089172-968796218=:21357-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 16:07:39 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: DemonTSi@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:06:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Lightening an R16 flywheel Van- I have the PDF file of the manual. If you have a fast connection I can e-mail it to you (it's 10.7 meg). Gary McCormick San Jose, CA datsunmike wrote: > Van, > > The Bob Sharp comp manual has all the details. I do believe it is on a web > site. If not I can photocopy it for you and send it via snail mail. > > 66 Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:54 PM > Subject: Lightening an R16 flywheel > > > Does anyone know what the weight is of a stock R16 flywheel..? And has > anyone > > ever had one lightened? How much can be removed safely? It does look like > a > > THICK chunk of cast, so I'm assuming it can be lightened quite a bit... > > Thanks in advance > > > > \/ /\ /\/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 16:16:50 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: RoadsteRob@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:16:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Gas over there That works out to about $4.50/gallon. Did you all know that the "Regular" petrol sold in the UK is higher octane than our Premium? Is this because they figure it differently, or is it really higher test? When I was on vacation over there in August '99, I would just fill up the rental car and hand over a £20 note, feeling lucky for a few pence change! I didn't do the conversion to $/gal 'till I got home - no sense getting depressed while you're on holiday... Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Gary McCormick San Jose, CA $1.93/gal for regular at the Shell station on the corner... RoadsteRob@aol.com wrote: > Yes, we're having some fun over here > > Currently the tax on fuel, coupled with the low production by OPEC has sent > prices to 85p ($1.30?) per LITRE. [snip] From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 16:17:25 2000 From: "Ofarrell, Fergus" To: "'roadster.netlist'" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:16:39 -0700 Subject: jaz products (seats) Okay racers and others, does anyone have any opinions or had any dealings with sport/replacement seats from a company call Jaz Products? (as in jazproducts.com, Santa Paula, CA) I went to the Long Beach Hot Rod Swap Meet last Sunday, and they had a fairly impressive display of fuel cells, harnesses, and molded plastic or welded aluminum seats for racing or whatever. (slip on vinyl or cloth covers) My current set are competely trashed and missing headrests, and the most reasonable I had found was the set of TR-6 seats on e-bay that the guy wanted $350. (all the other local ads were for seats removed from Honda Civic's, and that styling just wouldn't go with the 'vintage-era' look, but that's just my opinion) These guys from Jaz only want ~100 for the seat and the cover, and have a mini sports model in molded plastic that will definitely fit from the measurements I've taken. I figure a little creative metal fab can get them mounted to the Datsun rails, or I can buy their mounting/sliding rail kit. (~25 bucks each) Much thanks for any info anyone has, Fergus O'Farrell 69 2000 (in my hunt I also saw Jeep seats that had speakers built in to the headrests, but they were so big I'd look like Herman Munster with my head pokin' out the top........ though maybe I already do?) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 16:38:13 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Registry and stuff --0-521595368-968798267=:27379 Hi Folks, I've been quiet for a while, been too busy and LOSING MY MIND with everything I have to do. The registry is the easy part, I just collect information. You all have been real good about sending it. The rest of life is the tough one, I'm sure you all know what I mean. Things are easing up though, and I do get to go on the occasional SoCal Run. Last Sat, Victor and I even repeated the Mt Wilson run, a 2 car run just to go up the mountain to eat lunch! At any rate, I'm out of lurk mode and have some new pics up at photopoint if any one cares to look at them. Thanks, and keep sending in the registry info. That includes non list cars also. I'm looking foward to the new site with Mark Dent. May be a little while still so hang tight. Roman Rist ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-521595368-968798267=:27379

Hi Folks,

I've been quiet for a while, been too busy and LOSING MY MIND with everything I have to do.

The registry is the easy part, I just collect information. You all have been real good about sending it.

The rest of life is the tough one, I'm sure you all know what I mean.

Things are easing up though, and I do get to go on the occasional SoCal Run. Last Sat, Victor and I even repeated the Mt Wilson run, a 2 car run just to go up the mountain to eat lunch!

At any rate, I'm out of lurk mode and have some new pics up at photopoint if any one cares to look at them.

Thanks, and keep sending in the registry info. That includes non list cars also. I'm looking foward to the new site with Mark Dent. May be a little while still so hang tight.

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Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-521595368-968798267=:27379-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 17:03:09 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , , Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:58:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Watkins Glen part of the story! Larry & Evy, It was good to meet you and to be able to spend some time together. Just get a grip for next year so there aren't so many broken glasses from every winery we go to. Remember this ain't a Jewish or Greek wedding!!!!!!!! just a Roadster meet. 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Watkins Glen part of the story! > How sweet it was! This was my first year at the Glen, however without the > Datsun. I have to say once again, in case someone missed it, Dawn's 1500 is a > Be-u-ti-ful car. She 'talked Dave into getting it for her at a previous Glen > meet. My wife and I have a wonderful time, as anyone there can aggree. After > haveing the my roadster for about 4 years, and missing the Glen up until this > year, we are highly motivated into taking on the journey next sept. By the > way, Next year will be the 15th year for this gathering, Hopefully we will se > roadsters in force, I know there are alot of guys that didn't make it in my > area. I am thinking about brewing a batck of home brew beer for the event > next years event. My wife Evy now has Datsun fever. I hoped she would enjoy > the event, as it turns out she seemed to have more fun than me! She was > cracking on Deans (Fairlady Products) Mexican accent. The two of them are > from NYC and were ribbing each other every chance they got. Thanks for coming > out Dean (really). Besides the beautiful 1500, there were many handsome > 1600's and 2000's there. I did not see 1 butchered car there. I like them > original, of course to each his own, and I almost expected a few flaired out > or motored out cars, but I was happily suprised to see many very stock and a > few with minor mods... wheels, carbs etc. I once considered flaring my > fenders, I have since converted, seeing a flared out mess at a datsun shop in > vienna Va. > My wife also made us t-shirts (2) one ea. mine had 'DAT2000SRL', hers > 'ROADSTER LOVER' . We captured a pic on the net, CALSPEED!! in his race car > in front of a Viper, we cut the Viper out of the pic, and printed it out on > iron on paper, we got lots of compliments, thanks CALSPEED, great pic! I hope > your not gonna come after me for copyright violations, we didn't sell them. > We took some pics , and will post them on the net when them come in. > Can't wait til next year. Larry and Evy 2000 69 in 2001 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 17:05:56 2000 From: "Mike Kerr" To: "Roman Rist" , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:40:19 -0700 Subject: Re: More and More Roadsters!!!!! Roadsters?? i have boned out close to a 100 of them, but never kept track of the #s when i get the time , i'll look at the frames i have saved and some of the ID tags also the 20 cars i have here now.. BTW what format ? Mike Kerr Roadster Restoration PH# 530-644-6777 Fax # 530-644-7252 Web page WWW.innercite.com/~wolfgang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roman Rist" To: "datsun roadsters" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 2:19 AM Subject: More and More Roadsters!!!!! > Hey folks, > > More and More roadsters keep flying in by the hour! > > Boy, am I suprised how many cars the lurkers have! > > Seems like the names on the list I don't recognise are in the lead!! > > Keep Em coming, Remember to use the format laid out in previous posts. > > I try to respond and acknoweldge everyone who sends their info in, if I > havn't gotten to you yet, I will. > > Thanks, Roman > > __________________________________________________ > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 17:14:16 2000 From: "Scott Perschke" To: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:19:49 -0600 Subject: Watkins Glen Tshirt I've not gotten any response to my search for Glen T-shirts from this year. Does anyone have any info on who made them and if there are any leftovers? I'd really like one! Scott Perschke '69 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 17:17:22 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Datsun Roadster List" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:13:17 -0400 Subject: Glen T shirts Info Dawn Pesky called me to post to the list that there are some T shirts left. They are mighty fine looking. A close up shot of the front fender with a Datsun 2000 emblem on the front and on the back another front fender with "Roadsters at the Glen" superimposed in red. Each shirt is $16 which includes shipping. The following sizes and quantity available are: 5 mediums 4 larges 5 XXL Please email me with your addresses and sizes wanted and I will forward the info to Dawn. Unfortunately it will have to be first come first served. Next year we will have to do up more if the list members want some. 66 Mike From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 17:20:27 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Howard Fletcher" , Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:16:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Clutch change story I am a Roadsterite, but an older one, and it takes me 2 days. In my youth I could do it in a few hours. Oh well! 66 Mike > > -----Original Message----- >" I know guys who have got an engine out in 2 hours with air tools, experts - > a non roadsterite may take two days." > > Regards > > Howard From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 18:00:43 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: , , Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:04:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Gas over there RoadsteRob@aol.com wrote >Roadster Content - Although my 260Z daily driver runs on unleaded, my >roadsters (like many other 'classics' over here) run on Lead Replacement >Petrol, and today I drove to work in my 2000 - A great sight at the gas >station awaited - at a nearly empty forecourt (they'd run out of unleaded) I >filled up with LRP alongside a beautiful Jag XK120 Roadster. Whilst I was >pulling out of the station a concours gold 1940s Triumph 1800 Roadster >pulled >in - this is perhaps not typical of the state of affairs but this 'crisis' >has sure brought out some nice machinery which we may not otherwise see on >our roads. Hmm... Remember the scene in "Things to Come" with the Rolls being drawn by horses? Is the Jag XK120 one of those boxy british cars? ;-) -Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 18:31:23 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: hgf@netro.com.au, bitterrootprop@nidlink.com, Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:29:11 EDT Subject: RE: Clutch change story Am I unusual? I have removed the engine tranny unit by myself in about 2 hours. Although I have air tools, I did not use them as it actually seems to slow me down (I do not leave the tank at full capacity - I let it build pressure when I use it and then drain it down when I am done for the day) I thought that was kinda slow myself as I was not moving too quickly and I was working solo. Sid >I know guys who have got an engine out in 2 hours with air tools, experts - >a non roadsterite may take two days. > >Regards > >Howard _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 18:32:16 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:36:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Distrubutor Adjustment It sounds like you may have gotten the distributor drive gear off by one tooth where it meshes with the camshaft. Changing this is simple in theory but can be a bit of a pain in actual practice. First, set the engine at TDC on #1. Then remove the distributor base (the piece that has the tach cable attached to it. This will give you access to the distributor drive gear. Now in theory, what you want to do is simply grab the top of the gear with some needle-nose pliers, pull it out, rotate it by one notch and put it back in. This is actually where it gets hard. First, the gear is a spiral gear, so it will rotate as you pull it out and reinsert it. Second, the bottom end of the gear has to mesh with the oil pump drive, so you will have to reach down in there with a flat-blade screwdriver and rotate the oil pump drive slightly so that the drive gear will mesh with it correctly when you reinsert it. This is pretty much a "take a guess" process. When you reinstall the distributor mount, you will have to rotate the distributor shaft to get it to mesh with the drive gear. It is CRITICAL that the drive gear drop ALL THE WAY DOWN when you reinstall it. If it looks like it is all the way down in, but there is a little gap under the distributor mount when you try to reinstall it, you missed. DO NOT force the distributor mount. What has most likely happened is that the gear didn't match up correctly with the oil pump drive. Remove the drive gear, wiggle the oil pump drive and try it again. On rare occasions, I've managed to hit it on the first try, but one time it took me an hour to finally get it back in and on the right tooth. Be patient. Michael wrote: > I think may have inadvertantly misaligned my > distributor when I was rebuilding the engine. At TDC > the lobe on the distributor is not yet opening the > points. Is it possible it is out of adjustment? If > so how do I correct this? The two shafts are aigned > properly according to the gear marks. > > Michael > 67 1600 > Va Bch VA -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 18:33:04 2000 From: Hoon Kim To: datsun roadster mailist Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:31:44 -0700 Subject: Company car show photos About a week after I just got my first Datsun Roadster, the company I work for, Pixar, decided to have a company car show, the Concours d'Elegance de Pixar. I guess that was the final factor in making me crank down and get my roadster. So I had no time to make it look pretty against my fellow employees. All in all it was a fun event to show off our various cars. I will update it later with better photos. Right now there are only thumbnails. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1002520&a=8704572 -- - Hoon Kim - x6184 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 18:37:07 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: sidney raper Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:38:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Clutch change story I pulled two U20 engines in one afternoon at two different locations. Its the putting them back together I don't seem to get right. I took the engine out of my car last summer and it will never get put back together :-) Now I have started on my Z and am waiting for parts for it. This time I am not going to remove anything until I have the replacement in my hand. Mike Nowroc 2 69's mostly on Ebay 74 1/2 260 Z getting new body parts and a transmission. sidney raper wrote: > Am I unusual? I have removed the engine tranny unit by myself in about 2 > hours. Although I have air tools, I did not use them as it actually seems > to slow me down (I do not leave the tank at full capacity - I let it build > pressure when I use it and then drain it down when I am done for the day) I > thought that was kinda slow myself as I was not moving too quickly and I was > working solo. > > Sid > > >I know guys who have got an engine out in 2 hours with air tools, experts - > >a non roadsterite may take two days. > > > >Regards > > > >Howard > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 18:40:27 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:45:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping At one time Nissan Comp sold a special bellhousing to mount a U20 5-speed in a Z. But as was mentioned, the Z 5-speeds came with an integral bellhousing. Of course, a true hard-core hot-rodder wouldn't let a little thing like that stop him if he had access to a welder who was good enough to cut the bellhousing off a Z and weld on a roadster one. But it would really have to be done precisely or else the input shaft would probably bind up in the back of the crankshaft. Kyle Hagemann wrote: > > The Roadster tranny is unique onto the R and U engines. So I know > > that a 510 tranny isn't a bolt-up swap because of the bellhousing and > > who knows what else (length? starter location? Whatever). BUT.. > > are the internal designs similar? Can I pull the internals from a 510 > > box and put them into a Roadster box? The 510 has two different ratios, > > one that matches our Roadsters and another, lower ratio. I haven't > > compared part numbers on the fiche yet; that'll probably tell me, but > > has anyone out there successfully done such tinkering? > > > > -- John > > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA > > Hi John- > > I've wondered this too, especially as the Z units seem to be more > common (read=inexpensive) than the roadster trannies. > > Way-back-in-tha-day, before the 5speed 280Z's came along, it was > not unheard of to put a roadster trans in a 240Z. Building theory > on hearsay (heresy?;-) it stands to reason that the L bellhousing > can be swapped with the U/R bellhousing... (I can hear someone out > there thinking, "U/R silly!") > > I have it first hand from a local Z dude that the servo-type roadster > five speeds appear nearly identical to the BW-type Z units. 'Course, > things can look a lot alike and still be incompatible. > > So I dunno! But it seems that you could put a Z/ZX/510/PU/200sx/etc > trans into a roadster with a bellhousing swap. But it's likely more > complicated... bearing bores and shift rod holes have been mentioned > as a stumbling block when converting a CA tranny to L-series duty; I > wouldn't be surprised to hear that similar shenanigans are required > for a L->U/R swap. > > Anyone have some of ye olde Z-carre hop up manuals from the mid/late > 70's hanging about, and/or have first-hand knowledge of what it takes > to get a roadster unit in a Z? That tech oughtta be backwards- > compatible with a Z->roadster swap. > > 'Course, I've just shelled out the bucks to fix my Roadster 5spd, so > there better not be an easy L-tranny swap;-D > > HTH > Kyle > still broken -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 18:44:03 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: roadster List Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:48:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top Gee, if you tipped your head out away from the turn, you might be able to generate some downforce toward the inside of the turn and pick up some traction. Hey, Dennis, new autocross trick, huh? How strong are your neck muscles? ;-) Marc Tyler wrote: > datsunmike wrote > > >Hey Ken, > > > >Don't they sell hats in CA, you know those sombrero types with a chin strap > >to hold it on your head when you're cruisin at 85????? > > You'd need to attach guy wires to the car (perhaps the frontmost soft-top > twisties) and for good handling, be sure to choose a ground-effects hat. > > -Marc T. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 18:47:34 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:52:43 -0700 Subject: Re: The Glen Hey, 45 cars is great! Heck, more than a couple at the same time is noteworthy. I know it was raining, but did anyone get any pictures? datsunmike wrote: > Yeah, you in CA can laugh at 45 cars but for these here parts where rust is > as common as a cold, that's a pretty good showing. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 19:06:59 2000 From: "Scott Perschke" To: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:11:23 -0600 Subject: Re: Watkins Glen Tshirt After sending my last request for Tshirt info, my son showed me a note from Dawn. Thanks everyone. Scott P. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Perschke To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: Watkins Glen Tshirt > I've not gotten any response to my search for Glen T-shirts from this year. > Does anyone have any info on who made them and if there are any leftovers? > I'd really like one! > Scott Perschke > '69 2000 > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 19:14:28 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:14:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Clutch change story Not at unusual at all. As a matter of fact, next time someone in your neck of the woods ask how long it takes... we will tell them to take it to your house, and have a stop watch ready. :-) Usually I can do things very quickly, but find if I have to "unbugger" the previous owners work, it takes much longer. Sometimes I think it is easier to remove the starter by pulling the engine/transmission. ;-) This is when it does pay to have the car in the garage, tools nicely arranged, good lighting, and a decent amount of room to move around the car. Typically I will pull the car in, and put it up on floor jacks. Only thing to remember is the SHIFT LEVER! ;-) It is when I start to clean up those little things that I get carried away. ;-) Cheers, Tom sidney raper wrote: > Am I unusual? I have removed the engine tranny unit by myself in about 2 > hours. Although I have air tools, I did not use them as it actually seems > to slow me down (I do not leave the tank at full capacity - I let it build > pressure when I use it and then drain it down when I am done for the day) I > thought that was kinda slow myself as I was not moving too quickly and I was > working solo. > > Sid > > >I know guys who have got an engine out in 2 hours with air tools, experts - > >a non roadsterite may take two days. > > > >Regards > > > >Howard > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 19:29:42 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:29:14 EDT Subject: Fwd: Glen T shirts Info --part1_58.8d828e.26f0326a_boundary I got mine while at the Glen and they are beautiful t-shirts, get-em while they last. Larry '69 2000 --part1_58.8d828e.26f0326a_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Dat2000srl@aol.com Full-name: Dat2000srl Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:27:58 EDT Subject: Re: Glen T shirts Info To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 I got mine at the Glen, It is a beautiful t-shirt, get-em while they last. Larry 2000 '69 --part1_58.8d828e.26f0326a_boundary-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 19:38:07 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:36:42 EDT Subject: Glen Pics Are Coming We dropped film off and will prohably have them posted tomorrow evening. I will send out an e-mail when they are in. Larry From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 19:38:17 2000 From: "Victor Laury" To: "Thomas Walter" , Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:19:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Clutch change story Tom Walter Wrote - Only thing to remember is the SHIFT LEVER! ;-) Tom In my case, it was the speedo cable - ("What's it stuck on? Pull harder! DOH!) Actually, it was much easier than I had believed. a couple of hours and it was hanging in space. I guess it helps that you really know your car. I planned on a whole day pause in the job to clean the engine, the compartment, the radiator and shroud, horns, frame and anything else I couldn't get at before. I picked up a box of 5/16X1 1/4 SAE bolts, split lock and flat washers (in pretty gold cad) and new screws for the grill. Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 20:10:58 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:07:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Gas over there R Haug wrote: > I just filled up the gas guzzler with premium at $1.73 per gal in Lewiston, Idaho > Bob > Moscow > PS: I filled up there because I was there on business and forgot to get in my home town. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 20:16:39 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: ra0618@email.sps.mot.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:16:06 EDT Subject: Re: Clutch change story Truer words have not been spoken. I must admit that the pulling of the engine goes well if you do not have to un-PO something........ Sid >Thomas Walter wrote: > >Usually I can do things very quickly, but find if I have to "unbugger" >the previous owners work, it takes much longer. > >It is when I start to clean up those little things that I get carried away. >;-) _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 20:17:09 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: ra0618@email.sps.mot.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:16:36 EDT Subject: Re: Clutch change story Truer words have not been spoken. I must admit that the pulling of the engine (or anything else for that matter) goes much better and faster if you do not have to un-PO something........ Sid >Thomas Walter wrote: > >Usually I can do things very quickly, but find if I have to "unbugger" >the previous owners work, it takes much longer. > >It is when I start to clean up those little things that I get carried away. >;-) _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 21:05:17 2000 From: Stephan Sochoux To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Gas over there > R Haug wrote: > > > I just filled up the gas guzzler with premium at > $1.73 per gal in Lewiston, Idaho $2.53/gal at a Shell down the street from my house. I also bought some race fuel (110 octane) @ $4.25/gal. Stephan BADROC '69 2000 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 21:31:32 2000 From: "Mike Adams" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:38:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Gas over there 1.37 regular in Wharton,Tx. 1.57 premium Mike >> I just filled up the gas guzzler with premium at $1.73 per gal in Lewiston, Idaho >> Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 21:35:38 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: ristguitars@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:35:13 GMT Subject: Groovy Wheels, Roman! Hey, Roman, I was just checking out the SOCAL site, and saw your baby. What struck me was your wheels. Tell me, are those "knock-on" hubs plastic screw on fakes, by any chance? With four big spokes behind? If so, I've got exactly the same wheels on mine! Everyone here thinks they're "interesting" (or worse) but they're growing on me. Do they have a name? And what size are yours? Cheers, Steve _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 23:12:30 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: hoon@pixar.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:11:32 EDT Subject: Re: Company car show photos In a message dated 9/12/00 5:36:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hoon@pixar.com writes: << About a week after I just got my first Datsun Roadster, the company I work for, Pixar, decided to have a company car show, the Concours d'Elegance de Pixar. >> Wow... what a great time that must have been. Nice to have a company that does that type of stuff. Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 23:14:08 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: sochoux@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:13:39 EDT Subject: Re: Gas over there In a message dated 9/12/00 8:07:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sochoux@yahoo.com writes: << $2.53/gal at a Shell down the street from my house. I also bought some race fuel (110 octane) @ $4.25/gal. >> Race Gas...! I gotta check out your engine! Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 23:29:18 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:28:54 EDT Subject: Web page update Hello all, I updated my web site (www.geocities.com/roadsternut) and I added a page of stuff for sale! If you are interested in any of it, let me know! By the way, I have to agree with Calspeed. It must be pretty cool to work for a company that has it's own car show! (are there openings Hoon?) Sid _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 23:50:14 2000 From: Dennis Currington To: Gordon Glasgow Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:49:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster Bikini top Those who know me, know that creating DOWNFORCE is NOT a problem for me :-). If that situation ever changes, then I'll drive a few miles down to TJ and get me a big sombrero and give it a try! Dennis http://www.datsuns.net Gordon Glasgow wrote: > Gee, if you tipped your head out away from the turn, you might be able to generate some downforce > toward the inside of the turn and pick up some traction. Hey, Dennis, new autocross trick, huh? How > strong are your neck muscles? ;-) > > Marc Tyler wrote: > > > datsunmike wrote > > > > >Hey Ken, > > > > > >Don't they sell hats in CA, you know those sombrero types with a chin strap > > >to hold it on your head when you're cruisin at 85????? > > > > You'd need to attach guy wires to the car (perhaps the frontmost soft-top > > twisties) and for good handling, be sure to choose a ground-effects hat. > > > > -Marc T. > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 12 23:54:45 2000 From: Dennis Currington To: CalSpeed@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:54:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Company car show photos CalSpeed@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/12/00 5:36:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hoon@pixar.com > writes: > > << About a week after I just got my first Datsun Roadster, the company I > work for, Pixar, decided to have a company car show, the Concours > d'Elegance de Pixar. >> > > Wow... what a great time that must have been. Nice to have a company that > does that type of stuff. > > Calspeed My company does that :-) -- Dennis Currington 1967.5 Solex 2000 San Diego Datsuns.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 00:13:01 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:19:45 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question)] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------42B278C8638BE7302B0EB185 --------------42B278C8638BE7302B0EB185 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <39BF1A6D.4433BF3@cybertrails.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:10:54 -0700 From: Pamela Pepoy Reply-To: gppepoy@cybertrails.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Datsun Roadsters Subject: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Greetings, Last July I purchased a new Ford Explorer. You may be thinking why would a Roaster nut buy a Ford land whale? Get this, primarily for safety reasons. Not too long ago I had a lady run a red light and I t-boned her Civic at about 40 mph. Nasty business. We have more red light runners in the Phoenix area than any other place in the country. So, smart me I think it's BIG but not tooo big and if I hit somebody or if somebody hits me, the family and associated pets will be a little safer. HA! Little did I know that the sucker is as stable as a beach ball. Now, we have the tire fiasco. The tires I have on my Explorer have not been recalled yet (they are the Wilderness AT's). However, Ford says to only inflate them to 30 psi (soft to avoid the Explorer's inclination to tip over and roll). Firestone says to inflate them to 35 psi to stop them from heating up and peeling off like a bannana skin and also causing the Explorer to roll. So, my NEW, SAFE family vehicle is an unsafe, certified turkey. My question to the list is. What do you suggest? Selling the sucker isn't very appealing but has been considered. I do drive slower and I am inclined to replace the like new and possibly flawed stock tires and replace them with a low profile high quality (Michelin). What will a low profile tire do to the already sloppy handling? As Stan once said to Oliver..."this is a fine mess you have gotten me into." Thanks in advance. Oh, my explorer is a 2 wheel drive vehicle and is not used for off road travel. I am sorry for the non-roadster stuff but I, along with alot of other people, am stuck. Guy 67.5 SPL311 Tempe, AZ --------------42B278C8638BE7302B0EB185-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 00:47:45 2000 From: Toby B To: a roadster list Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:43:46 -0700 Subject: worn servo synchros So, Kyle, A true servo doesn't have any teeth- if your synchros are brass colored with teeth, you have Borg style synchros. They're worn when the synchro teeth get within some dimension of the gear itself.. But if you're servo, then the actual synchros are the c- shaped, cast- iron looking doo-ha's buried inside the gear cluster. In my experience, wear shows up at the ends of the 'c' as either galling OR smoothing! The other indicator is their outside dimension- as they are used, they get compressed somewhat... The one servo tranny I actually bought new parts for got 1 new synchro (on 2nd, of course) and I then swapped synchros around (1st and 3rd) and also reversed them- they're symmetrical- for a free 'freshen'. When I was done, the tranny shifted like new- read, it was a bit tight, and a bit notchy. After 2000 miles, everything settled in, and to this day I can't tell that 2 got a new synchro and 1 and 3 didn't... I remember that in '92 ONE new synchro was about $65- the Porsche part it copied is about $40 today, but no, it won't fit- the Datsun part is a LOT thicker and stronger... What I remember... Toby B > Subject: Servo synchros inspection > > Hi all- > > I've got my spare-parts transmission apart. Anyone know how to > tell a good synchro from a bad one? I'm familiar with the little > teeth on the outer circumference, but the rest of the servo-type > synchro is a bit mysterious! ... with an > uneven surface. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 06:24:53 2000 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:24:34 -0500 Subject: Spark Plug Wire Resistance I picked up a digital Ohm meter the other day and was playing around with it (I have to admit I don't really know the first thing about them, just that everyone touts them as extremely valuable. Maybe this old dog can be taught some new tricks?!) I was measuring my spark plug wires and 3 of them registered about 4.3 ohms resistance, and one registered 10.6 resistance. What does this tell me? I dug out an old "cheap" wire and it registered about .3 resistance. Is this better/worse. Confused in Atlanta Chris Brucciani 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 06:30:59 2000 From: Beamonk@aol.com To: gppepoy@cybertrails.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:30:07 EDT Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question)] boundary="------------... My girlfriend has one of those "Exploders", and I hate it. Poor handling, build quality to name a few. I have been discreetly trying to get her to get an Audi, Bmw, etc. If I had a family and the money to spend, I would get an Audi or BMW or MB station wagon. Great handling, reliable,(still high maintance being German), and hold resale value far better than another of the zillion Explorers. My main concern is that we have yet to see how high this gas stuff is going to cost. If it really goes up, you might see a flood of SUV's on the market. My .02 John Brasfield SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 06:48:33 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 05:45:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster > Pamela Pepoy wrote: > My question to the list is. What do you suggest? > > I own a Chevy Tahoe. Tiny bit shorter than a Suburban. It is definitely > not the handling machine like our roadsters are and shouldn't be driven like > they are. This may be the initial problem. > > Next is tire trouble. I always run the higher pressure in my tires, partly > because my vehicle is bigger than yours is and if I toe something I go to 40 > psi. A lower profile tire will improve handling but it is not the roadster. > > It will still feel very sluggish in comparison. You need 2 different > driving styles. :-) > > Bob > Moscow From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 08:10:27 2000 From: shifty To: roadsters Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:07:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Are there any aftermarket shocks, springs and/or anti-sway bars available? Would any of that help the handling and stability of anything that high up in the air? Lowering the ride height by an inch or two would lower the center of gravity. Leigh Brooks BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 08:26:10 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:23:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question)] boundary="------------... On the air pressure vs. tire: I'd run the higher air pressure. This will reduce the heat build up in the tires, and IMPROVE the handling. The RIDE does suffer as you will feel more bumps, and the like. Personally, I'd spend the $400 on new tires. Toss the Firestones, and install anything else. My heart goes out to the families who have lost someone due to an accident. [Local family was on vacation... sadly their 8 year daughter was killed in the roll over.] Also commonly overlooked is that at time (mud, sand, etc) conditions you are better reducing air pressure. Sad part was a couple of hikers who had gotten their rental car stuck in deep sand, and died when they decided to hike out. To "free" the stuck vehicle was to simply let the air out of the tires, down to 10 psi, and DRIVE the vehicle out of the sand. Tom Walter '68 2000 --> darn hard to spot in Austin Traffic '84 Land Cruiser FJ60 --> easiest to spot the RED beast in traffic '99 Maxima SE --> quick and fun, probably the safest vehicle I own From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 08:38:21 2000 From: "Mike=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A0?=Adams" To: , , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:38:02 -0500 Subject: Re: 1st gear clashing/grinding Hey 1500 owners - if you are grinding first gear when you try to get into it - shift into second first that aligns everything then go into first even when you are at a dead stop. I'm sure most of you realize this but for those who might not. Mike From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 08:44:34 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:42:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Spark Plug Wire Resistance Chris, What model/brand DVOM? (digital volt ohm meter). I've ranted on in the past how the cheap ones will lie to you when you need them most. Finally bought a decent Fluke for that reason. A few common items, usually resistance will be reading in Ohms, Kila Ohms, Mega Ohms. K meaning 1000, Mega being 1 000 000. Check the scale on the reading when measuring ignition wires. Those numbers should be KOhms for a resistance cable. If solid wires, you really need to use resistance type plugs, least disrupt all the TV's and Radio's in the neighborhood. For a typical "resistance type" spark plug wire -- you should be getting around 4 to 20 KilaOhms. If the plug wires have more than 30K ohms of resistance they should be replaced. Cheers, Tom Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com wrote: > I picked up a digital Ohm meter the other day and was playing around with it > (I have to admit I don't really know the first thing about them, just that > everyone touts them as extremely valuable. Maybe this old dog can be taught > some new tricks?!) I was measuring my spark plug wires and 3 of them > registered about 4.3 ohms resistance, and one registered 10.6 resistance. > What does this tell me? I dug out an old "cheap" wire and it registered > about .3 resistance. Is this better/worse. > > Confused in Atlanta > Chris Brucciani > 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 08:46:06 2000 From: "steve car" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:45:25 GMT Subject: New Datsun Service Manual Sometime ago there was a thread about a new service manual available from Dean at http://www.datsunparts.com/. I bought one a couple of days ago. It is $19.50 and I think it is worthwhile to have one. I have copied the ad from the website: Datsun 1600/2000 232 Page Repair Service Manual No! This isn't a copy of the old poorly written Clymer Service Manual. It's much, much more! This all new supplemented unabridged technical manual is what our customers have been waiting years for. Here's what you'll receive: Technical tips and service intervals, engine, transmission, carburetor rebuilding, torque specifications, wear limits and other pertinent safety information, exploded view diagrams, wiring diagrams, articles, background and major development changes, detailed technical assembly/disassembly info, do's and don'ts, chassis number to year info, paint codes and a key number system to help our customers order parts more easily. Don't be lost without this helpful tool in your restoration. ON SALE NOW!!! Steve 69 1600 _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 08:52:36 2000 From: "Ryan, Richard" To: "'datsunmike'" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:54:10 -0700 Subject: RE: Clutch change story At an SCCA national race years ago I watched 2 guys change out a Bugeye motor in less than 20 minutes. That shows they had done it many times. The best part was, when it was disconnected, the 2 of them lifting it out with no hoist or help. Dick Ryan ex. 24022 (650)312-4022 Risk Management Dept. SM 2000/2 FAX (650)312-5830 -----Original Message----- From: datsunmike [mailto:datsunmike@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:16 PM To: Howard Fletcher; 'Mike Poorboy'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Clutch change story I am a Roadsterite, but an older one, and it takes me 2 days. In my youth I could do it in a few hours. Oh well! 66 Mike > > -----Original Message----- >" I know guys who have got an engine out in 2 hours with air tools, experts - > a non roadsterite may take two days." > > Regards > > Howard From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 08:53:24 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:52:56 PDT Subject: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida Hello All, Saw this add in traderonline this morning: 1967 Datsun 2000, 2000 cc Fairlady roadster 1967.5 model Red with black interior and roll bar Ground up restoration Runs great Easily a 10 footer Many spares Contact Number: (813) 886-5181 Now, if this is a numbers matching car that is fully restored, the only thing stopping me from hopping on a plane to Florida is the fact that I already have one. This price seems to good to be true. Does anyone know this car? Can anyone go see it and take pics? Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex (Would not sell it for 5500.00 and it is not restored) SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 09:02:42 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: Pamela Pepoy Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:02:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster Maybe some of the racer/gurus out there can speak more definitively on this subject, but it seems to me that softer tires would exacerbate the tendency to roll - based on this line of logic: The high CG placement of these vehicles means there is a longer moment arm between the center of mass and the tire contact patch; the large mass acting through this distance results in a large (and aptly-named) overturning moment. Any increase in flexibility in the structures (suspension, that is shocks/struts, and tires) that resist this overturning moment results in higher deflection angles; that is - greater displacement of the CG from center and a greater tendency to ROLL OVER! It is exactly the combination of high CG, large mass and soft suspension that makes SUVs so roof-happy, especially in avoidance maneuvers at speed, when a high rate steering input combined with the vehicle's velocity create very high forces acting against the cushy suspension systems these vehicle are typically equipped with. The sudden inputs required to correct for a blown tire are an example of what to do if you want to put your typical SUV on it's roof. If it were me, I'd crank the pressure up to reduce tire body heating on my way to the tire store to buy some Michelins... Gay McCormick San Jose, CA Pamela Pepoy wrote: > [snip] However, > Ford says to only inflate them to 30 psi (soft to avoid the Explorer's > inclination to tip over and roll). Firestone says to inflate them to 35 > psi to stop them from heating up and peeling off like a bannana skin and > also causing the Explorer to roll. So, my NEW, SAFE family vehicle is > an unsafe, certified turkey.[snip] > Guy > 67.5 SPL311 > Tempe, AZ > > --------------42B278C8638BE7302B0EB185-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 09:16:12 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: Beamonk@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:15:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question)] Consider the VW Passat wagon. More room for less money than the Audi, with which it shares an engine (the 1.8 litre light-pressure turbo-charged 4-cyl.). Great build quality, MUCH better rear legroom than the A4 Audi and that little 1.8 litre engine (let alone the V6) moves it out pretty darn well. (Though if it had been within our budget, the 5-series BMW Sport Wagon would have gotten a serious look from me...). Put a set of non-Firestone tires on the Exploder and sell it before OPEC bumps crude prices to $50/bbl and gas goes to $2.50/$2.75 per gallon, then buy a vehicle that allows you to drive safely by virtue of handling and maneuverability, and not just the ability to take a hit because you're bigger than the other guy (unless he is also driving an SUV... ). Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Beamonk@aol.com wrote: > My girlfriend has one of those "Exploders", and I hate it. Poor handling, > build quality to name a few. I have been discreetly trying to get her to get > an Audi, Bmw, etc. If I had a family and the money to spend, I would get an > Audi or BMW or MB station wagon. Great handling, reliable,(still high > maintance being German), and hold resale value far better than another of the > zillion Explorers. My main concern is that we have yet to see how high this > gas stuff is going to cost. If it really goes up, you might see a flood of > SUV's on the market. My .02 > John Brasfield > SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 09:32:21 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com'" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:31:27 -0700 Subject: RE: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) >It is exactly the combination of high CG, large mass and soft suspension that makes SUVs so roof-happy, especially in avoidance maneuvers at speed, when a high rate steering input combined with the vehicle's velocity create very high forces acting against the cushy suspension systems these vehicle are typically equipped with. The sudden inputs required to correct for a blown tire are an example of what to do if you want to put your typical SUV on it's roof. If it were me, I'd crank the pressure up to reduce tire body heating on my way to the tire store to buy some Michelins... Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Gary, Your logic is the same argument I would make. I wonder if at least some of the drivers of these vehicles ever wonder over the physics of their motion. I own a sports car. Why is it that I'm being passed by SUV's doing 85+ on any So. Cal. Freeway? Do they ever ponder what would happen if they had to avoid a hazard? I do. They would become a placed hazard or several, as the behemoth would break up into several large pieces before coming to rest. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 09:40:39 2000 From: bob_wilson@agilent.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:40:14 -0600 Subject: 1.6L Block Modifications? Hi List, Someone told me that there is a modification that can be done to the 1600 Block that makes is run cooler. You have to bore out some area, then weld it back together somehow and the result is that the block (or part of the block) will now run cooler. So I assume that this makes the water passage somewhere larger. It is supposed to help prevent blowing a head gasket (which I didn't think was a problem for the 1600 anyway, but as I am planning to covert the 1600 engine to a stroker, it will run hotter I think). Anybody know anything about this modification??? Bob Wilson From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 09:50:05 2000 From: "Mitch Planck" To: , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:50:29 -0400 Subject: RE: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question)] boundary="------------... As for nice wagons, I crashed my Escort wagon (what a joy!) a year ago and had to buy a new car. I'd been looking at the Mercedes wagon from 90-94, the 4wd models, but they were hard to find and typically out of my price range (around $15,000). What I did find was the Toyota Camry wagon (production ended in '96 for them). Hard to find, but not as hard as the Mercs. It has a 3rd row pop-up seat, 190HP V6, power everything, very nice ride, gets about 20mpg city, 27 highway - the same as my 4 banger Stanza, all for just over $15,000. The Camry is one of the most reliable cars on the road too and I never worry about roll-over with it. Roadster content: It's been unable to start for the past month, since I started monkeying with the timing. I worked on it last night and got a nice exhaust backfire while trying to start it, indicating that it's retarded (my wife said I was ;<) ). I think I've got the timing gear off a notch, so I'll fiddle with that, as per Gordon's recent message, and see what happens. A question: what's the best way to statically time it? Set notch at 16deg BTDC, rotate distributor until it's just starting to open? I've got a pre-smog distributor. Mitch '69 1600 -----Original Message----- From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:15 AM To: Beamonk@aol.com Cc: gppepoy@cybertrails.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question)] boundary="------------... Consider the VW Passat wagon. More room for less money than the Audi, with which it shares an engine (the 1.8 litre light-pressure turbo-charged 4-cyl.). Great build quality, MUCH better rear legroom than the A4 Audi and that little 1.8 litre engine (let alone the V6) moves it out pretty darn well. (Though if it had been within our budget, the 5-series BMW Sport Wagon would have gotten a serious look from me...). Put a set of non-Firestone tires on the Exploder and sell it before OPEC bumps crude prices to $50/bbl and gas goes to $2.50/$2.75 per gallon, then buy a vehicle that allows you to drive safely by virtue of handling and maneuverability, and not just the ability to take a hit because you're bigger than the other guy (unless he is also driving an SUV... ). Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Beamonk@aol.com wrote: > My girlfriend has one of those "Exploders", and I hate it. Poor handling, > build quality to name a few. I have been discreetly trying to get her to get > an Audi, Bmw, etc. If I had a family and the money to spend, I would get an > Audi or BMW or MB station wagon. Great handling, reliable,(still high > maintance being German), and hold resale value far better than another of the > zillion Explorers. My main concern is that we have yet to see how high this > gas stuff is going to cost. If it really goes up, you might see a flood of > SUV's on the market. My .02 > John Brasfield > SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 09:54:26 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: , , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:59:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Company car show photos CalSpeed@aol.com wrote >In a message dated 9/12/00 5:36:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hoon@pixar.com >writes: > ><< About a week after I just got my first Datsun Roadster, the company I > work for, Pixar, decided to have a company car show, the Concours > d'Elegance de Pixar. >> > > >Wow... what a great time that must have been. Nice to have a company that >does that type of stuff. > >Calspeed Any "Woody Wagons"? ...sorry..... -Marc T From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 10:17:20 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: roadsters , shifty Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:08:31 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) An inch or two? I'd do it a little more! Use this pic for an example: http://www.2xtreme.net/fredkatz/images/ggp9804.jpg That car and others like it can be seen at the upcoming Jimmy's Old Car Show in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park next month. BADROC will make a showing there. I don't have the exact date; to be posted later. Here are a few more pics: http://www.2xtreme.net/fredkatz/jim1099.html One of those pics shows Leigh's, Calspeed's, and mine together (red white and blue). Fred BADROC ________________________ Reply Separator _________________________ Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Author: shifty Date: 9/13/2000 7:07 AM Are there any aftermarket shocks, springs and/or anti-sway bars available? Would any of that help the handling and stability of anything that high up in the air? Lowering the ride height by an inch or two would lower the center of gravity. Leigh Brooks BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 10:22:48 2000 From: Douglas E Noble To: Beamonk@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:06:23 +0000 Subject: Re[2]: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question)] bo RE The Passat Wagon In Spring 2000 they will be offering the Passat with the Audi all-wheel drive system and a 5-speed transmission (I think you can order it now with the "4matic" automatic transmission). Doug Noble Vienna, Virginia SPL311-25006 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question)] bound Author: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com at NetTalk Date: 9/13/2000 10:15 AM Consider the VW Passat wagon. More room for less money than the Audi, with which it shares an engine (the 1.8 litre light-pressure turbo-charged 4-cyl.). Great build quality, MUCH better rear legroom than the A4 Audi and that little 1.8 litre engine (let alone the V6) moves it out pretty darn well. (Though if it had been within our budget, the 5-series BMW Sport Wagon would have gotten a serious look from me...). Put a set of non-Firestone tires on the Exploder and sell it before OPEC bumps crude prices to $50/bbl and gas goes to $2.50/$2.75 per gallon, then buy a vehicle that allows you to drive safely by virtue of handling and maneuverability, and not just the ability to take a hit because you're bigger than the other guy (unless he is also driving an SUV... ). Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Beamonk@aol.com wrote: > My girlfriend has one of those "Exploders", and I hate it. Poor handling, > build quality to name a few. I have been discreetly trying to get her to get > an Audi, Bmw, etc. If I had a family and the money to spend, I would get an > Audi or BMW or MB station wagon. Great handling, reliable,(still high > maintance being German), and hold resale value far better than another of the > zillion Explorers. My main concern is that we have yet to see how high this > gas stuff is going to cost. If it really goes up, you might see a flood of > SUV's on the market. My .02 > John Brasfield > SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 10:27:20 2000 From: StumpU@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:26:39 EDT Subject: spl engines and trannys for sale list, i am just curious to know if maybe another list member would be interested in buying some engines and trannys for the hard parts value. i have a 1970 1.6L engine and transmission and a 1969 1.6L engine and transmission just sitting in my yard. my brother and i are both working on our roadster restorations and thought someone might be able to benefit from these engines instead of them just sitting there. We were both told when we purchased our roadsters that the car ran fine prior to it's final parking before our acquisition. his 69 1.6L has been sitting for about a year and my 70 1.6L has been sitting for about two months out of the car. both have the distributors, starters, fuel pumps, tranny, etc. still bolted up. all we did was yank ( i mean, gently remove) the engine/tranny from the car and set it aside. i live in sacramento, california. i was thinking the first $400 takes them both. if this is too much then let's talk. wesley 70 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 10:33:47 2000 From: Magic1910@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:33:16 EDT Subject: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? In your opinion, what is the absolute top dollar a 1967.5 2000 is worth? (Assume it's everything you would want it to be, except celebrity - either by ownership or race successes - or an owner/buyer with an unlimited bank account.) Greg Morrison SRL31100005 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 10:37:44 2000 From: "David A. Fox" To: solex67@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:37:20 EDT Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida Andrew / All; I'm sure Sid and I could possibly work out a look-see depending on where in Florida this car is located. ? Sid ? <(©¿©)> ------------------------------ Blue Skies & Calm Waters, DAFox [SRL311-04646] Oviedo, Florida dafox1@hotmail.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Andrew Murphy" Reply-To: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:52:56 PDT Hello All, Saw this add in traderonline this morning: 1967 Datsun 2000, 2000 cc Fairlady roadster 1967.5 model Red with black interior and roll bar Ground up restoration Runs great Easily a 10 footer Many spares Contact Number: (813) 886-5181 Now, if this is a numbers matching car that is fully restored, the only thing stopping me from hopping on a plane to Florida is the fact that I already have one. This price seems to good to be true. Does anyone know this car? Can anyone go see it and take pics? Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex (Would not sell it for 5500.00 and it is not restored) SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 10:46:29 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:43:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Folks, Normally I tend to YELL when we get off topic. In this case, a lot of us do have SUV's and Leigh has a good point. Shocks, Springs, and Sway bars all play a part in the vehicle and the handling. For STREET driving I like very firm shocks (Bilstein), stiff tires (better response, less roll momentum as Gary pointed out). IPD (Best known for Volvo stuff) sells sway bars/suspension for the bigger SUV's, too. For OFF road, it is totally different. Softer shocks, taller springs, softer tires. Disconnect the sway bars. This allows for maximum suspension movement over rocks, ledges, etc. Oh, top speed normally is "2 to 25 mph" in that configuration. Usually the OEM's have to split the two extremes. They are very aware that most buyers do not plan on going off road, but want a softer "car like feel" for most driving. Irony... I plan on RAISING my Land Cruiser (FJ60 Wagon) for ground clearance. On the bright side the engine allows for a top speed of 65 to 70. Not the fastest rig out there. Sad part is people assume that SUV = Safety. Not so. As most of you know my Brother in Law was killed last year in a Jeep Rollover. Fully belted in, but broke his neck from the impact (roof caved in), died of complications after being in ICU. For a while I kept a running tally on "SUV's rolled". I finally gave up counting, as it was an average of ONE VEHICLE PER WEEK. My 60 mile commute means lots of traffic through town. Quite a high count, and there is one area on "Mopac" heading north that is SUV gutter. High speed left, when traffic starts slowing quickly. Too fast, a little turn, and just hitting the brakes at the wrong time... and it you can see them flip. Single car accidents, but with the same conditions, and a little "bump" it doesn't take much to roll. Other "not too swift" maneuver was a Suburban that did a left turn, while going about 60, into a apartment complex. The 'burb had new paper plates, and overshot the left turn. Into the ditch, and did a back flip landing on the roof. Driver was OK, still belted in. You'll have to realize due to flash flood and heavy rains in Texas the roads have more camber for water run off, and ditches that will be a good 5' across and 5' deep in sections. Sorry for rambling on, but SUV's do make for a nice tow vehicle and road trip vehicle. They will be around for some time, but if you want something to go fast and corner... take the roadster! Cheers, Tom Walter shifty wrote: > Are there any aftermarket shocks, springs and/or anti-sway bars available? > Would any of that help the handling and stability of anything that high up > in the air? Lowering the ride height by an inch or two would lower the > center of gravity. > > Leigh Brooks > BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 11:06:34 2000 From: Geegc@aol.com To: bob_wilson@agilent.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:05:59 EDT Subject: Re: 1.6L Block Modifications? For what it is worth, the easiest way to keep it cool is to replace the radiator core with a 3 row in place of the two row (something a lot of folks have done). Gary C "Hi List, Someone told me that there is a modification that can be done to the 1600 Block that makes is run cooler. You have to bore out some area, then weld it back together somehow and the result is that the block (or part of the block) will now run cooler. So I assume that this makes the water passage somewhere larger. It is supposed to help prevent blowing a head gasket (which I didn't think was a problem for the 1600 anyway, but as I am planning to covert the 1600 engine to a stroker, it will run hotter I think). Anybody know anything about this modification??? Bob Wilson" From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 11:16:08 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "'Magic1910@aol.com'" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:17:58 -0500 Subject: RE: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? During the last phone conversation with Sports Imports, I asked Ross how much for the 67.5 2L Solex (factory 150 HP). He said if he fully restored it (acid dipped body, new everything) to concourse condition it would be.........$35,000. IF I were single I would have him get started today!. To me 35K is the price of a Z3 and the Roadster will be worth 35K (at least) five years from now and the Z3 will be a $10,000 one in a million cars. One could get a 67.5 cheaper, but for a PERFECT Roadster I would say 35K. SRL31100005....mmmmmm.... Phil SEROC -----Original Message----- From: Magic1910@aol.com [SMTP:Magic1910@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:33 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? In your opinion, what is the absolute top dollar a 1967.5 2000 is worth? (Assume it's everything you would want it to be, except celebrity - either by ownership or race successes - or an owner/buyer with an unlimited bank account.) Greg Morrison SRL31100005 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 11:30:40 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "'Thomas Walter'" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:31:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Agreed with Tom. My wife made me sell the Nissan Pathfinder because she was always scared of a rollover. It made her nervous driving it. People don't understand the physics of a SUV and really need to slow down with these vehicles. Like Tom - I see too many of them in the ditch. A guy at work killed a lady in a minivan after he lost control of his SUV coming down a hill. He will never be the same - sad. Interesting the Passat is being brought up - that's what I wanted. She won and got the Mitubishi Diamante. Very nice and built by our friends in Australia. Phil SEROC -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Walter [SMTP:ra0618@email.sps.mot.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:44 AM To: road Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Folks, Normally I tend to YELL when we get off topic. In this case, a lot of us do have SUV's and Leigh has a good point. Shocks, Springs, and Sway bars all play a part in the vehicle and the handling. For STREET driving I like very firm shocks (Bilstein), stiff tires (better response, less roll momentum as Gary pointed out). IPD (Best known for Volvo stuff) sells sway bars/suspension for the bigger SUV's, too. For OFF road, it is totally different. Softer shocks, taller springs, softer tires. Disconnect the sway bars. This allows for maximum suspension movement over rocks, ledges, etc. Oh, top speed normally is "2 to 25 mph" in that configuration. Usually the OEM's have to split the two extremes. They are very aware that most buyers do not plan on going off road, but want a softer "car like feel" for most driving. Irony... I plan on RAISING my Land Cruiser (FJ60 Wagon) for ground clearance. On the bright side the engine allows for a top speed of 65 to 70. Not the fastest rig out there. Sad part is people assume that SUV = Safety. Not so. As most of you know my Brother in Law was killed last year in a Jeep Rollover. Fully belted in, but broke his neck from the impact (roof caved in), died of complications after being in ICU. For a while I kept a running tally on "SUV's rolled". I finally gave up counting, as it was an average of ONE VEHICLE PER WEEK. My 60 mile commute means lots of traffic through town. Quite a high count, and there is one area on "Mopac" heading north that is SUV gutter. High speed left, when traffic starts slowing quickly. Too fast, a little turn, and just hitting the brakes at the wrong time... and it you can see them flip. Single car accidents, but with the same conditions, and a little "bump" it doesn't take much to roll. Other "not too swift" maneuver was a Suburban that did a left turn, while going about 60, into a apartment complex. The 'burb had new paper plates, and overshot the left turn. Into the ditch, and did a back flip landing on the roof. Driver was OK, still belted in. You'll have to realize due to flash flood and heavy rains in Texas the roads have more camber for water run off, and ditches that will be a good 5' across and 5' deep in sections. Sorry for rambling on, but SUV's do make for a nice tow vehicle and road trip vehicle. They will be around for some time, but if you want something to go fast and corner... take the roadster! Cheers, Tom Walter shifty wrote: > Are there any aftermarket shocks, springs and/or anti-sway bars available? > Would any of that help the handling and stability of anything that high up > in the air? Lowering the ride height by an inch or two would lower the > center of gravity. > > Leigh Brooks > BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 11:31:29 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:31:03 -0500 Subject: 1600 overheating fixes This whole process was taken on because of the difficulty that I have experienced in getting my 1.6L, 67.5 Roadster to run in the temperature range in which I had expected. Understand that I live in central Texas, where it is not unusual for the air temperature to run over 100 deg. in the summer. First, a bit of "how the cooling system is supposed to work" theory. The water in the engine pulls combustion heat out of the cylinders and head. The thermostat controls the water flow rate through the system to allow the engine to get up to operating temperature more quickly and then control the temperature of the engine once operating temperature is reached. The radiator gets rid of some of the engine heat as the water flows through it. If an engine produces more heat than the radiator can get rid of, the engine temperature will rise. The amount of heat that the radiator can get rid of is generally more than the engine can produce, thus allowing the thermostat to control the engine temperature, rather than the radiators dissipation controlling engine temperature. The heat in the radiator is gotten rid of by airflow through the fins on the radiator. When the vehicle is stopped, or traveling less than about 20MPH a fan is required to move the air. This fan may be either electric, or engine driven. On most vehicles the ram effect of air entering through the grill produces enough air flow to get rid of the heat without a fan. This ram effect is not enough on our roadsters to cool the radiator! I have experienced over temperature conditions on my roadster since I bought it. I have cleaned the radiator, replaced the thermostat, and hoses. The factory scoop is in place at the bottom of the radiator. None of these changes produced acceptable temperatures. I tried replacing the engine driven fan with an electric fan, but it didn't help, on fact, the temperature rose a bit. (No fan shroud). I tried both pusher and puller mounting, but the 14" fan just couldn't keep up with the cooling requirements. The electric fan was on a thermostat that was set to turn on when the radiator inlet temperature reached 190. On the road the temperature would still run about 190, with it dropping slowly at stoplights. I finally bypassed the fan thermostat and that allowed the fan to get a bit more control over the heat, but it still didn't supply enough cooling. When I turn on the heater (fan on high) the engine temperature drops about 10 degrees. This seems to say that the radiator is not dissipating enough heat for whatever reason. It may be that the radiator is crudded up, not enough heat transfer area, or the air flow through the radiator may not be high enough. I removed the 3 row radiator that was in the car when I bought it and replaced it with a high efficiency , 2 row radiator. This change brought the temperature down a few degrees, but still not enough. I tried adding an air dam between the radiator and the cross member to cause more air to flow through the radiator, rather than around it to increase the ram effect, but it didn't help. Next I replaced the water pump. The original one was from Auto Zone. I installed a Datsun pump and the temperature dropped another few degrees. (Generally, I wouldn't have done this because I figured that the problem was external to the engine because of the temperature drop when the heater was turned on, but the rear pump cover gasket started leaking so it had to come off any way.) I removed the electric fan and re-installed the engine driven 7 blade fan with fan shrowd and the temperature came down to about 180! The temperature would stay at 180 solidly in all driving conditions except when the temperature was above about 104, a bottle of water wetter took care of that! Water is a better heat conductor than antifreeze, so the lower concentration of antifreeze the better the heat conduction. Redline recommends an antifreeze concentration as low as 15%, so I set mine to protect to +20 degrees - remember, I live in Texas and we don't see really low temperatures here in the winter! The only thing that I don't like about this configuration is the amount of noise the fan makes. It shounds like the 240Z I used to own! I really liked the lower noise lever of the electric fan! I may try replacing the 7 blade fan with a 4 blade fan to see if it still provides enough air movement while reducing the noise. Today it was 112 and the engine temperature sat steady at 180, whether I was running 65 down the road, or sitting at a stop light. Things are now MUCH cooler in Texas! Other things that may be causing excess heat: I don't know how much crud is built up in the block. I bought this car a year ago and have no idea how much time is on the engine. The head has been milled past the limit. The compression ratio is very high. This could cause higher combustion chamber temperatures than normal. I have another head to put on the engine, but haven't gotten to it yet. Maybe next week I 'll get to it. -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 11:39:37 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "'Geegc@aol.com'" , bob_wilson@agilent.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:41:09 -0500 Subject: RE: 1.6L Block Modifications? If I remember right the NASCAR guys and other small block chevy racers put a water line from the water pump and drill/tap a hole in the head between the 2 and 3 cylinder exhaust ports. This pulls out extra heat produced by having the two cylinders exhaust ports together. I don't know if the 1600 needs this - I don't think so. Phil SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 11:44:45 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "datsunmike" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:41:43 -0700 Subject: Tranny apart, 5th gear and synchros, longish ----- Original Message ----- From: "datsunmike" To: "Kyle Hagemann" Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Servo synchros inspection > Kyle, > > There are no worn areas where the rough part has given way to smooth shiny > metal especially where the ends of the ring are. > > Mike Hi Mike, Roadster list! I see what you're referring to - on my original trans, with known-bad 1&2 synchros, I can see where the coating has been worn thru. Very helpful distinction; I just figgered it was wear on the synchro gear teeth, like a BW type. I've got my parts-trans apart, and can't for the life of me figure out what 5th gear would be welded. Is it the fifth gear that rides on roller bearings on the mainshaft? If so, what gets welded to what? All I can figure is the gear gets welded to an internal sleeve that the synchro attaches to? Or is it fifth gear on the countershaft? All I could see there is maybe welding the fifth countergear to the reverse countergear? For some reason, I always assumed it was the mainshaft gear; I'm really at a loss - the fifth countergear appears robustly flanged to the counter shaft; and the fifth maingear appears to be one-piece, sleeve and gear. I took some pictures, but they didn't work out well, hopefully tomorrow or the next day. Incidentally, I was under the impression that 5th gear on the roadster was a BW type synchro, regardless of the rest of the synchros. As near as I can tell, my 5th gear synchro is identical to 1-4. DatsunMike mentioned previously the difference in the tranny cases - ribbed and boxed casting webs on the later ones, versus Y-shaped diagonal ribs on the earlier box. Is there anything else I need to know about the differences? My plan is to rob the parts out of the later box (my 'parts tranny') and put them in my otherwise-fresh broken trans (my 'original trans'); as the original is very clean with new bearings and the parts one is nast-AY and funk-AY. So if there's anything that prevents swapping parts (synchros, shifter ring & fork, maybe the 2nd main gear). Does anyone know how the synchro-gear-teeth items are removed from the main gears? After removing the large outer C-clip and the inner guts, I'm left with the main gear and the synchro gear. The synchro gear appears to be pressed on to the main gear, held in with some type of springy-clip? TIA, and sorry to be so long. Kyle From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 11:45:11 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:42:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? I think $2000 dollars is fair considering the age and what else you could buy for the money. Hell , There is a 1985 M-B 300 in immaculate condition available in my area for less than $4000. Why people value these cars beyond some sensible value just puts them out of reach of people willing to drive them. If they were so valuable, why are so many of them left derelict around in peoples yards. The one I have was given to me and I wouldn't have one if it came any other way. Any practical person would buy something that ran and what parts you did need could be had at the local auto parts store. Almost anything made in the last 10 years will run the doors off these things. The only virtue I can see in them is that they are simple, and sit on a solid chassis. All the rest is un bridled passion! Regards Calvin Grandy Vermont ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? > In your opinion, what is the absolute top dollar a 1967.5 2000 is worth? > (Assume it's everything you would want it to be, except celebrity - either by > ownership or race successes - or an owner/buyer with an unlimited bank > account.) > Greg Morrison > SRL31100005 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 12:16:31 2000 From: wrichter@electroglas.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:16:39 -0700 Subject: RE: 1600 overheating fixes Patrick what temperature are you trying to achieve. 180 is a good running temperature, even 200 on a hot day like you have is fine. Run Mobil 1 and forget about it. If you're running high compression than a higher Octane is needed. Also what's your timing set at? More advanced the hotter it will run, also are you running too lean... just my 2c Good Luck, Wayne > This whole process was taken on because of the difficulty that I have > experienced in getting my 1.6L, 67.5 Roadster to run in the temperature > range in which I had expected. Understand that I live in central Texas, > where it is not unusual for the air temperature to run over 100 deg. in > the summer. > > First, a bit of "how the cooling system is supposed to work" theory. > The water in the engine pulls combustion heat out of the cylinders and > head. The thermostat controls the water flow rate through the system > to allow the engine to get up to operating temperature more quickly > and then control the temperature of the engine once operating temperature > is reached. The radiator gets rid of some of the engine heat as the > water flows through it. If an engine produces more heat than the radiator > can get rid of, the engine temperature will rise. The amount of heat > that the radiator can get rid of is generally more than the engine can > produce, thus allowing the thermostat to control the engine temperature, > rather than the radiators dissipation controlling engine temperature. > The heat in the radiator is gotten rid of by airflow through the fins > on the radiator. When the vehicle is stopped, or traveling less than > about 20MPH a fan is required to move the air. This fan may be either > electric, or engine driven. On most vehicles the ram effect of air > entering through the grill produces enough air flow to get rid of the heat > without a fan. This ram effect is not enough on our roadsters to cool > the radiator! > > I have experienced over temperature conditions on my roadster since I > bought it. I have cleaned the radiator, replaced the thermostat, and > hoses. The factory scoop is in place at the bottom of the radiator. > None of these changes produced acceptable temperatures. > > I tried replacing the engine driven fan with an electric fan, but it > didn't > help, on fact, the temperature rose a bit. (No fan shroud). I tried > both pusher and puller mounting, but the 14" fan just couldn't keep up > with the cooling requirements. The electric fan was on a thermostat that > was set to turn on when the radiator inlet temperature reached 190. On > the road the temperature would still run about 190, with it dropping > slowly > at stoplights. I finally bypassed the fan thermostat and that allowed > the fan to get a bit more control over the heat, but it still didn't > supply > enough cooling. > > When I turn on the heater (fan on high) the engine temperature drops about > 10 degrees. This seems to say that the radiator is not dissipating enough > heat for whatever reason. It may be that the radiator is crudded up, not > enough heat transfer area, or the air flow through the radiator may not be > high enough. I removed the 3 row radiator that was in the car when I > bought > it and replaced it with a high efficiency , 2 row radiator. This change > brought the temperature down a few degrees, but still not enough. > > I tried adding an air dam between the radiator and the cross member to > cause > more air to flow through the radiator, rather than around it to increase > the > ram effect, but it didn't help. > > Next I replaced the water pump. The original one was from Auto Zone. I > installed a Datsun pump and the temperature dropped another few degrees. > (Generally, I wouldn't have done this because I figured that the problem > was external to the engine because of the temperature drop when the heater > > was turned on, but the rear pump cover gasket started leaking so it had to > > come off any way.) > > I removed the electric fan and re-installed the engine driven 7 blade fan > with fan shrowd and the temperature came down to about 180! > > The temperature would stay at 180 solidly in all driving conditions except > > when the temperature was above about 104, a bottle of water wetter took > care of that! > > Water is a better heat conductor than antifreeze, so the lower > concentration of > antifreeze the better the heat conduction. Redline recommends an > antifreeze > concentration as low as 15%, so I set mine to protect to +20 degrees - > remember, I live in Texas and we don't see really low temperatures here in > > the winter! > > The only thing that I don't like about this configuration is the amount of > > noise the fan makes. It shounds like the 240Z I used to own! I really > liked > the lower noise lever of the electric fan! I may try replacing the 7 > blade > fan with a 4 blade fan to see if it still provides enough air movement > while > reducing the noise. > > Today it was 112 and the engine temperature sat steady at 180, whether I > was > running 65 down the road, or sitting at a stop light. Things are now MUCH > > cooler in Texas! > > Other things that may be causing excess heat: > I don't know how much crud is built up in the block. I bought this car > a year ago and have no idea how much time is on the engine. > > The head has been milled past the limit. The compression ratio is very > > high. This could cause higher combustion chamber temperatures than > normal. > I have another head to put on the engine, but haven't gotten to it yet. > Maybe next week I 'll get to it. > > > -- > - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - > Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner > CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA > voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 12:22:17 2000 From: "Lucian D. Tielens" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:31:43 -0700 Subject: Early Datsun list Hey there... Anybody got the address for the Early Datsun List? Regards, Lucian Tielens RL411SSS From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 12:26:57 2000 From: Don Miller To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question)]boundary="------------42B278C8638BE7302B0EB185" I have an Expedition, the larger version of the Exploder. It came with "C" rated Goodyears, I had them changed right away to "D" rated Goodyears. The ride is a little rougher (my wife never noticed) but the handling was much better. The firmer sidewalls cut aloy of the sway down. I wore those out at about 38k miles and just put on a set of Pathfinder "D" range tires. A little less aggressive on the tread pattern but a little better sidewall. Handles even better now. Just got done with a camping trip that we pulled a 26' trailer on. I would have never done it on the "C" rated tires. The truck would have been all over the road. MHO Don Miller 69 Turbo V-6 Meridian, ID --- svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com wrote: > Maybe some of the racer/gurus out there can speak > more definitively on this subject, but > it seems to me that softer tires would exacerbate > the tendency to roll - based on this > line of logic: The high CG placement of these > vehicles means there is a longer moment arm > between the center of mass and the tire contact > patch; the large mass acting through this > distance results in a large (and aptly-named) > overturning moment. Any increase in > flexibility in the structures (suspension, that is > shocks/struts, and tires) that resist > this overturning moment results in higher deflection > angles; that is - greater > displacement of the CG from center and a greater > tendency to ROLL OVER! > > It is exactly the combination of high CG, large mass > and soft suspension that makes SUVs > so roof-happy, especially in avoidance maneuvers at > speed, when a high rate steering input > combined with the vehicle's velocity create very > high forces acting against the cushy > suspension systems these vehicle are typically > equipped with. The sudden inputs required > to correct for a blown tire are an example of what > to do if you want to put your typical > SUV on it's roof. If it were me, I'd crank the > pressure up to reduce tire body heating on > my way to the tire store to buy some Michelins... > > Gay McCormick > San Jose, CA > > Pamela Pepoy wrote: > > > [snip] However, > > Ford says to only inflate them to 30 psi (soft to > avoid the Explorer's > > inclination to tip over and roll). Firestone says > to inflate them to 35 > > psi to stop them from heating up and peeling off > like a bannana skin and > > also causing the Explorer to roll. So, my NEW, > SAFE family vehicle is > > an unsafe, certified turkey.[snip] > > Guy > > 67.5 SPL311 > > Tempe, AZ > > > > --------------42B278C8638BE7302B0EB185-- > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 12:47:31 2000 From: "Robert Long" To: "steve car" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:45:47 -0600 Subject: Re: New Datsun Service Manual List, I bought this same manual about 6 months ago, it's my best resource. Later...Robert - 67.5 1600 - Abq (Should get my tranny back from the shop soon) -----Original Message----- From: steve car To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:02 AM Subject: New Datsun Service Manual >Sometime ago there was a thread about a new service manual available from >Dean at http://www.datsunparts.com/. I bought one a couple of days ago. It >is $19.50 and I think it is worthwhile to have one. I have copied the ad >from the website: > > >Datsun 1600/2000 232 Page Repair Service Manual > > No! This isn't a copy of the old poorly written Clymer Service Manual. >It's much, much more! > > This all new supplemented unabridged technical manual is what our >customers have been waiting years for. > > Here's what you'll receive: Technical tips and service intervals, >engine, transmission, carburetor rebuilding, torque specifications, wear > limits and other pertinent safety information, exploded view diagrams, >wiring diagrams, articles, background and major development > changes, detailed technical assembly/disassembly info, do's and don'ts, >chassis number to year info, paint codes and a key number > system to help our customers order parts more easily. Don't be lost >without this helpful tool in your restoration. ON SALE NOW!!! > >Steve >69 1600 >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 12:54:04 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:51:18 -0500 Subject: Resistance... Opps A few kind soles pointed out it is "Kilo" when I had used "Kila". Uh, not sure where "Kila" came from. Opps. Yep, if those are solid core wires and the readings around under 20 Ohms, that would be reasonable. Tom Walter 125 Kilograms for most of the World A wee bit over 19 Stones for our other friends. ;-) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 12:55:47 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Calvin Grandy" , , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:00:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Calvin Grandy wrote >I think $2000 dollars is fair considering the age and what else you could >buy for the money. Hell , There is a 1985 M-B 300 in immaculate condition >available in my area for less than $4000. >Why people value these cars beyond some sensible value just puts them out of >reach of people willing to drive them. > >If they were so valuable, why are so many of them left derelict around in >peoples yards. >The one I have was given to me and I wouldn't have one if it came any other >way. >Any practical person would buy something that ran and what parts you did >need could be had at the local auto parts store. Almost anything made in >the last 10 years will run the doors off these things. The only virtue I >can see in them is that they are simple, and sit on a solid chassis. > >All the rest is un bridled passion! > >Regards > >Calvin Grandy >Vermont ;-) I'll give you $100.00 for your 67.5 2000 today! As far as unbridled passion, sure, that's what drives the old car market. Anyway since your roadster sounds like it's a burden to you, I'll be glad to take it off your hands ;-) -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 13:04:21 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Lucian D. Tielens" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:09:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Early Datsun list Lucian D. Tielens wrote >Hey there... > >Anybody got the address for the Early Datsun List? > >Regards, > >Lucian Tielens >RL411SSS > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/3823/index.html enjoy... Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 13:08:06 2000 From: Thomas To: Dan Zubkoff Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:06:39 +0200 Subject: Re: USA Silvia Welcome to the most exclusive club Dan! Both you and I have a lot of work ahead. I have been having fun for a week. Visited Automechanika Show in Frankfurt (not the IAA car show), testing the rpm limiter in 5:th gear on the Autobahn, driving through 5 countries in one day and some 200 miles of serpentine roads in the Graubunden region of the Swiss alps. Since the weather was nice and sunny, the mountain passes were open for traffic. I saw all kinds of cars up there including a Ferrari F50 but no Roadsters. The only bad this is that I have used about 600 liters of gasoline at today's prices. That's about 160 US-gallons. Thomas A. in Sweden 1965 CSP311 (x2) > Yes,I have recently picked up a new addition to the Datsun Family.....a 1966 > Nissan Silvia. I just retrieved the car from the Shipping Docks in Oakland. > I had the car imported from Hawaii. > > Rumor has it that approx. 9 Silvias were exported to countries other than > Australia. It appears that this car may have been sold brand new in Hawaii > -- the title has a 'date sold new' with a date of 8/29/1966. > > I was shocked to find that the car started right up and ran really well when > I picked it up from the docks. Cosmetically, the car could use some serious > work....but all in good time. > > Dan Zubkoff > San Mateo, CA > 1966 SPL311 > 1966 CSP311 > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 13:15:19 2000 From: Hoon Kim To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:14:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Company car show photos I've updated the pics along with some BBQruise pics. Please let me know who's car belongs to who. Thanks. BTW The car show was tons of fun, but you learn alot from people. Although there were beautiful cars out there, the little roadster was a favorite among a small crowd. People said the little roadster had character, especially since this was the most beat-up looking car out there. One guy even begged me not to restore it. I also learned that several people had owned one of these earlier on in their lives and had fond memories of them. More power to the roadster! car show http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1002520&a=8704572 BBQruise http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1002520&a=8735565 At 10:59 AM -0500 9/13/00, Marc Tyler wrote: >CalSpeed@aol.com wrote > >>In a message dated 9/12/00 5:36:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hoon@pixar.com >>writes: >> >><< About a week after I just got my first Datsun Roadster, the company I >> work for, Pixar, decided to have a company car show, the Concours >> d'Elegance de Pixar. >> >> >> >>Wow... what a great time that must have been. Nice to have a company that >>does that type of stuff. >> >>Calspeed > Any "Woody Wagons"? ...sorry..... > >-Marc T -- - Hoon Kim - x6184 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 13:36:57 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: Magic1910@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:30:16 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Supply and Demand! Now if I can get everyone else to lose interest in the 67.5 2000's, maybe I will be able to buy one for $2000! Hey Calspeed, wanna sell yours for $2000? (Just kidding!) Prices above $10,000 are not unreasonable. Try pricing replacement parts for that year, like headrests, fenders, chrome license surround, visors, top latches, etc. Some people can't afford the fixit costs. Eventually someone will pick it up and restore it. In my old neighborhood in SF, yuppies came in and poured money into homes. You've got near mansions with multiple decks and wine cellars sitting next to derelict rundown homes. Now there's a near war going on, as the neighborhood folks who can't afford to restore want the City to pass laws banning yuppies/dotcoms so they can force the prices down. Absolutely nuts. Hey, there's an idea! Pass laws to limit the prices of 67.5's! Fred - more passion than money BADROC __________________________ Reply Separator __________________________ >Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? >Author: "Calvin Grandy" > >I think $2000 dollars is fair considering the age and what else you >could buy for the money. Hell , There is a 1985 M-B 300 in immaculate >condition available in my area for less than $4000. >Why people value these cars beyond some sensible value just puts them >out of reach of people willing to drive them. > >If they were so valuable, why are so many of them left derelict around >in peoples yards. >The one I have was given to me and I wouldn't have one if it came any >other way. >Any practical person would buy something that ran and what parts you >did need could be had at the local auto parts store. Almost anything >made in the last 10 years will run the doors off these things. The >only virtue I can see in them is that they are simple, and sit on a >solid chassis. > >All the rest is un bridled passion! > >Regards > >Calvin Grandy >Vermont ;-) >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: Opinions wanted. >67.5 2L value? > >> In your opinion, what is the absolute top dollar a 1967.5 2000 is >worth? >> (Assume it's everything you would want it to be, except celebrity - >either by >> ownership or race successes - or an owner/buyer with an unlimited >bank > account.) >> Greg Morrison >> SRL31100005 > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 13:45:58 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:45:25 EDT Subject: Re: jaz products (seats) Mark typing away here: I had one of the moulded plastic seats in a 510. I believe it was indeed a Jaz brand as well. If you never intend to drive for more than a half hour at a stretch, and drive only on absolutely smooth pavement then go for it. After making a couple of long (2000 mile +) trips in the 510, I vowed I would never have one again. (It was the blood in the urine after about 500 miles that was the deciding point) When I was faced with the same problem for my Cortina a couple of years ago I looked around and settled on the Corbeau Forza (www.corbeau.com) which was $250 ish. Welded steel frame, rubber strap suspension, nice padding and a cloth cover avaialble in black, blue, red and yellow.. Also FIA certs, which is overkill, but says worlds about the quality. Quite confortable once you get used to it enforcing good posture, and Corbeau is very responsive to customer comments. Mounting any aftermarket seat is going to provide the same challenges on seat rails et c. There is however an industry standard so chances are that any mount you come up with will readily accept any seat you choose. Mark, not Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 13:47:46 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: mtyler@hctc.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:47:14 PDT Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Folks, We all know that the value of anything is as much as anyone will pay for it. Supply and demand. First thing we learned in economics 101. The Datsun 67.5 2000 roadster is rare. No argument there. It is the first 2 liter version of the Datsun Roadster made. It is a unique car in the Datsun Roadster world. As far as anything made in the last ten years blowing its doors off, I say put me against a normally aspirated 4 cyl. car and I will hold my own and beat most of them. I am going to restore my roadster. When finished, I will likely have put well over 20k into it. Would I get that much if I wanted to sell it? Probably not. It's not the point. However, if you think you are going to get a restored 196x anything for 2000.00 you are kidding yourself. My advice is if the car means so little to you, why don't you sell your 67 2000 for 2000.00 to Sid Raper. Now there is a guy who appreciates these cars. Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex (not for sale- OK, you can have it for 50k) SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 13:50:11 2000 From: "spencer" To: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:47:51 -0700 Subject: New guy question... Hi, I'm one of the new guys on the list and I've noticed reference to a data base that contains info about roadsters and their owners. Can someone point me in that direction so I can learn more and possibly add my name to the list? Thanks, Mark in Modesto 67.5 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 13:51:51 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: "Roadster List" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:51:27 -0500 Subject: (OT) Info on Huntsville, AL I'm considering a job with NASA at the Marshall Space Flight in Huntsville, AL, and would appreciate any thoughts/info (off list, please) regarding that area. Particularly housing, cost of living and certainly auto related activities. Thanks, Ron ___________ Ronnie Day Arlington, TX - ronnie_day@acd.org ronday@home.com ron510@mac.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 13:56:13 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: wrichter@electroglas.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:55:52 -0500 Subject: RE: 1600 overheating fixes Wayne, Thanks for your reply. I forgot to mention that my timing was spot on and the engine is running rich. While I know that running 200 deg. is fine, I prefer to have a more consistant temperature on my roadsters like my other cars do. The only time the temperature gauge rises on my pickup and van is when I am pulling my loaded 5000 lb. trailer at highway speeds. > Patrick what temperature are you trying to achieve. 180 is a good running > temperature, even 200 on a hot day like you have is fine. Run Mobil 1 and > forget about it. If you're running high compression than a higher Octane is > needed. Also what's your timing set at? More advanced the hotter it will > run, also are you running too lean... just my 2c > Good Luck, > Wayne Peace, Pat > -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 14:05:28 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:01:31 +0000 Subject: Firestone Tires I used to be the manager of a Wal-Mart auto shop. We used to get Rangers and Explorers in all the time with bubbles under the tread (separated). I even got a few that had thrown the tread, but not flipped. I swore I would never use Firestone tires. These trucks that came in were less than a year old in many cases. Ironically I was given a Chevy truck that had Firestone ATX tires on it. These ATX's weren't the same that are currently causing all the problems. They were Farm Bureau tires. They made a lot of noise(knobby), but lasted a long time and gave good response and feel. Unfortunately they discontinued these particular tires and started a new line named ATX that are the ones that separated freequently. Another common problem with OEM parts was the batteries. We replaced batteries from new(less than a year old) Fords and Chevys all the time. Ford batteries seemed to bulge out and fail, while the side terminals of Chevy batteries came out and spilled acid everywhere. Most of the time the Chevy batteries had never been disconnected so owner overtightening could not be suspected. There have been several comments on air pressure. A lower air pressure will give a softer ride while increasing contact patch and adhesion. A higher air pressure will give a harsher ride, lower temperatures, and increase slip. The sidewall rolling under does not effect the adhesion of the tire much. It does effect the feel and responsiveness as the tire squirms in relation to the rim. In extreem cases the rim may touch the ground causing the car to flip. I have replaced tires that the sidewalls rolled so far as to pull the bead away from the rim enough to allow dirt and grass to get inside the tire without it deflating. I have also replaced tires with screwdrivers, old valve stems, and loose change inside. I guess you should monitor the guys that are installing your tires. Don't make them mad however, I've seen technitions hammer 2.5 oz weights on obnoxious peoples perfectly ballenced new tires. Andy > On the air pressure vs. tire: > > I'd run the higher air pressure. This will reduce the heat build up > in the tires, and IMPROVE the handling. The RIDE does suffer > as you will feel more bumps, and the like. > > Personally, I'd spend the $400 on new tires. Toss the Firestones, > and install anything else. My heart goes out to the families who have > lost someone due to an accident. [Local family was on vacation... > sadly their 8 year daughter was killed in the roll over.] > > Also commonly overlooked is that at time (mud, sand, etc) conditions > you are better reducing air pressure. Sad part was a couple of hikers > who had gotten their rental car stuck in deep sand, and died when > they decided to hike out. To "free" the stuck vehicle was to simply > let the air out of the tires, down to 10 psi, and DRIVE the vehicle out > of the sand. > > Tom Walter > '68 2000 --> darn hard to spot in Austin Traffic > '84 Land Cruiser FJ60 --> easiest to spot the RED beast in traffic > '99 Maxima SE --> quick and fun, probably the safest vehicle I own > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 14:15:55 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:12:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Most people do not realize that an SUV is a Big Urban Station wagon (B.U.S.) and should be driven like a BUS, not a sports car. Tom, You mentioned a number of rollovers. Were these by someone with a cell phone in use too? Probably. Many of these people do not realize how fast they are going in that vehicle when they sit so high. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 14:23:07 2000 From: sar castro To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? >I think $2000 dollars is fair considering the age and what else you could >buy for the money. NOPE! >Hell , There is a 1985 M-B 300 in immaculate condition >available in my area for less than $4000. PIECE OF JUNK TOO! >Why people value these cars beyond some sensible value just puts them out of >reach of people willing to drive them. YOU CAN NOT DRIVE AN ALWAYS BROKEN CAR! > >If they were so valuable, why are so many of them left derelict around in >peoples yards. BECAUSE THEY DO NOT RUN! >The one I have was given to me and I wouldn't have one if it came any other >way. I WOULD NOT HAVE ONE! >Any practical person would buy something that ran and what parts you did >need could be had at the local auto parts store. Almost anything made in >the last 10 years will run the doors off these things. I KNEW THERE WAS SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN ON THIS LIST! > The only virtue I >can see in them is that they are simple, and sit on a solid RUSTY! >chassis. > >All the rest is un bridled passion! YOU MEAN IGNORANCE RIGHT? > >Regards > >Calvin Grandy >Vermont ;-) _____________________________________________________________ Get your very own free E-mail,Free Fax Search multiple search engines in one go join our community,and lots more.... ---> http://www.wiremail.net Make money in the e-commerce boom register FREE at http://www.wiremail.net/register_associate.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 14:58:09 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: "Andrew Murphy" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:55:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Hey! Andrew! What Gives? I didn't see the ;-) in your reply. I don't even have a 2000, only a "lowly"1600. (It was given to me however, by a woman friend who just couldn't keep up with it even after spending many $k on it. I got the receipts with the car!) I am "obligated" to let her drive it from time to time now that it runs well. Not a bad deal, as she is a long time friend and quite attractive!) I do have a certain amount of unreasonable passion, ' else I wouldn't subscribe to this list. This unreasonable passion does not keep me from trying to see my actions from other viewpoints. Certainly I can not value a complete car by the price I would have to pay to obtain all the parts. (Although I do tend to accumulate "stuff" on that premise.) Pretty soon I would be counting up my many enjoyable hours spent "working on the car" and "charging shop rate" of $50 per hour. We know we will never see that kind of valuation. What would your insurance agent say? I regret that I do not know Sid and his appreciation for the Roadsters Have you done any engine or suspension modifications to make your car more competitive? These near 2 liter volkswagons get right with the program right out of the box. Your $50K price puts the car beyond the interest of anyone I know. (list included I suspect). If you must know, I really want a Formula Ford that I can drive on the street. There you can get a real automobile for about $12K ! ;-). I like the fineness of the small engine/car as opposed to raw HP. Calvin Grandy ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Murphy Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? > We all know that the value of anything is as much as anyone will pay for it. > I am going to restore my roadster. When finished, I will likely have put > well over 20k into it. Would I get that much if I wanted to sell it? > Probably not. My advice is if the car means so little to you, why don't you sell your 67 2000 for > > Andrew Murphy > 67.5 2000 Solex (not for sale- OK, you can have it for 50k) ___________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 15:03:58 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: "Andrew Murphy" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:03:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Here he goes again... I knew I should have left that filter on. No sense giving this jerk the satisfaction of a reply. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA sar castro wrote: > >I think $2000 dollars is fair considering the age and what else you could > >buy for the money. > > NOPE! > > >Hell , There is a 1985 M-B 300 in immaculate condition > >available in my area for less than $4000. > > PIECE OF JUNK TOO! > > >Why people value these cars beyond some sensible value just puts them out of > >reach of people willing to drive them. > > YOU CAN NOT DRIVE AN ALWAYS BROKEN CAR! > > > >If they were so valuable, why are so many of them left derelict around in > >peoples yards. > > BECAUSE THEY DO NOT RUN! > > >The one I have was given to me and I wouldn't have one if it came any other > >way. > > I WOULD NOT HAVE ONE! > > >Any practical person would buy something that ran and what parts you did > >need could be had at the local auto parts store. Almost anything made in > >the last 10 years will run the doors off these things. > > I KNEW THERE WAS SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN ON THIS LIST! > > > The only virtue I > >can see in them is that they are simple, and sit on a solid > > RUSTY! > > >chassis. > > > > >All the rest is un bridled passion! > > YOU MEAN IGNORANCE RIGHT? > > > > >Regards > > > >Calvin Grandy > >Vermont ;-) > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get your very own free E-mail,Free Fax Search multiple search engines in one go join our community,and lots more.... ---> http://www.wiremail.net > > Make money in the e-commerce boom register FREE at http://www.wiremail.net/register_associate.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 15:48:10 2000 From: Geegc@aol.com To: SPL311RDST@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:47:31 EDT Subject: Re: jaz products (seats) I had corbeau seats (the most basic non adjustable) in my early 1600 for 5 years, fit fine and mounted easily using the stock rails. Got rid of the when some kind soul gave me a set of late seats. Gary C From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 15:53:16 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'sar castro'" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:52:16 -0700 Subject: RE: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? I wonder if senior castro would have had the balls to have kept up with me on our last ride up Angeles Crest Highway? Ten to one says he owns a Roadster. All his rants on dependability and I still can't think of when the last time my Roadster failed to start. It's a joy and a pleasure to own and drive. I drive it daily to work and back and then look for any excuse to drive it some more. When I walk to it in a parking lot my heart speeds up and a smiling, joy-pride voice sings in the back of my mind "There's my car". I fit myself into the seat, so familiar, eyes are not needed to know where every control and fixture lay. One short, sharp turn of the key, even on the coldest day, and the willing powerplant jumps to life. Every sound, of that motor and the drive train is known to my ear, if I close my eyes, I can see every working part performing perfectly as if I had hand-crafted each one. This is no piece of static art, no Jaguar garage kept show queen. It's my grocery getter and my competition car. I know for a fact that my feelings are known to others on this list as well as many other car enthusiasts. If anyone can't relate, maybe your not ready to. Or maybe, you just don't get it. There's more going on here than just ownership of a machine that looks pretty and makes you feel like a big shot. I'm sure there's folks that will put 100,000+ for a z8 supercar and not even like it, but drive it cause it says "look at me" "I'm a big Deal". I could care less. Learn to put the top down at least. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 16:25:20 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:24:40 GMT Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? I can't agree with you on any of your points, Calvin. My last car was a 2 year old Holden Barina (for you guys - Opel Corsa). It was practical, yes. Cheap, yes. Run rings around my 2000? Not a hope. In fact, I just dragged off a Suzuki Gti a couple of days ago. Heh! He wasn't happy. Handling? Go drive a Hyundai Excel or Nissan Pulsar. Then take your roadster for a spin. NOBODY was trying to overtake me on my recent country trip. Looks? Don't make me laugh. Nobody gave my Barina a second glance. People stop and look at my roadster all the time. Sure, it isn't practical. But you only live once. Prices, btw, in Australia are generally much higher for ANY car. The Barina (Corsa) cost me $10,500 I picked up the Datsun for $10,800. And I got a very good deal (recent gearbox and engine overhauls, but the paint needs re-doing, looks OK, though) The Datsun isn't going to depreciate at all, going by the last few years, whereas the Barina will be worth probably half its current value in 5 years time. >From: "Calvin Grandy" >Reply-To: "Calvin Grandy" >To: , >Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:42:29 -0400 > >I think $2000 dollars is fair considering the age and what else you could >buy for the money. Hell , There is a 1985 M-B 300 in immaculate condition >available in my area for less than $4000. >Why people value these cars beyond some sensible value just puts them out >of >reach of people willing to drive them. > >If they were so valuable, why are so many of them left derelict around in >peoples yards. >The one I have was given to me and I wouldn't have one if it came any other >way. >Any practical person would buy something that ran and what parts you did >need could be had at the local auto parts store. Almost anything made in >the last 10 years will run the doors off these things. The only virtue I >can see in them is that they are simple, and sit on a solid chassis. > >All the rest is un bridled passion! > >Regards > >Calvin Grandy >Vermont ;-) _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 16:38:38 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: LauryV@MTA.NET Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:38:16 GMT Subject: RE: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Hey, Victor! You just expressed my feelings exactly! It's like those Harley-Davidson T-shirts you see: For those who understand, no explanation is necessary For those who don't, no explanation is possible. Steve ('68 2000 Solex) _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 16:49:19 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Reminds me of an experience a few months back. Vic laury and myself were slugging our way down the 5 to CDM. Usually traffic is always bad till you clear downtown LA and the smaller industrial towns, right around Disneyland it starts to return to normal. This particular day gave no such luck. 1st and 2nd gear only, and it was hot! the 2 hr drive turned into 4! Most annoying! When traffic finally broke free I saw the culprit. A late model Jeep Cherokee straddling the 4 or 5 ft high center divider! how it got there, I have no idea! Moral of the story; SUVs are not sports cars! Roman Rist __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 16:54:11 2000 From: svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com To: "Laury, Victor" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:53:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Victor- Remember this guy's last go round? Someone (I think it was John Sandhoff up at CSUS {my alma mater!}) said that this smelled of a student prank where they lurk on lists and jump in to try and start a flame war, then they count coup on how many flames they receive. Whatever happened to the drinking games that kept us amused in college? Gary McCormick San Jose, CA SRL311-13291 (She saw the light if day last weekend for a few hours when I had to move her out of the garage to retrieve baby stuff from the rafter storage space. She still looks fine in her Sora Blue - now to get her running!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Laury, Victor" wrote: > I wonder if senior castro would have had the balls to have kept up with me > on our last ride up Angeles Crest Highway? > > Ten to one says he owns a Roadster. > > All his rants on dependability and I still can't think of when the last time > my Roadster failed to start. > > It's a joy and a pleasure to own and drive. I drive it daily to work and > back and then look for any excuse to drive it some more. When I walk to it > in a parking lot my heart speeds up and a smiling, joy-pride voice sings in > the back of my mind "There's my car". I fit myself into the seat, so > familiar, eyes are not needed to know where every control and fixture lay. > One short, sharp turn of the key, even on the coldest day, and the willing > powerplant jumps to life. Every sound, of that motor and the drive train is > known to my ear, if I close my eyes, I can see every working part performing > perfectly as if I had hand-crafted each one. This is no piece of static art, > no Jaguar garage kept show queen. It's my grocery getter and my competition > car. > > I know for a fact that my feelings are known to others on this list as well > as many other car enthusiasts. If anyone can't relate, maybe your not ready > to. Or maybe, you just don't get it. There's more going on here than just > ownership of a machine that looks pretty and makes you feel like a big > shot. I'm sure there's folks that will put 100,000+ for a z8 supercar and > not even like it, but drive it cause it says "look at me" "I'm a big Deal". > I could care less. Learn to put the top down at least. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 16:57:03 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: "Andrew Murphy" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:50:20 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Quite often on the highway I get challenged by a SUV. They take one look at my roadster and think they can blow by me and cut me off. No can do! The look on their faces when I pull away at over 80 is worth a thousand bucks. Now I know what's up. Their front ends! Our roadsters are far more maneuverable than many new cars. I know when to quit (like against an Integra and other small rockets). But a lot of these bloated jelly bean cars can't keep pace with our roadsters. Just my 2 cents. Fred - So.SF '66 2L >As far as anything made in the last ten years blowing its doors off, I >say put me against a normally aspirated 4 cyl. car and I will hold my >own and beat most of them. > > >Andrew Murphy From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 17:03:33 2000 From: Roman Rist To: spencer Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: New guy question... Hi Mark, Welcome to the list, there is a wealth of priceless info and a bunch of great people on it! I run the Roadster Registry and it's easy Send me your; name location ( city, state) year and model of vehicle vin # operational status pic in jpeg form (if you have one) I am collecting info right now but will have a home for the registry on Mark Dent's soon to be revamped website. That's it, welcome and hook up with your local club! Roman Rist roadsterregistry@yahoo.com ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 17:03:54 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Gordon Glasgow" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:57:40 -0400 Subject: Re: The Glen Gordon, This year only about 20 cars showed up and I think because of the wet conditions nobody got a group shot of all the cars. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Glasgow To: Datsun Roadster List Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: Re: The Glen > Hey, 45 cars is great! Heck, more than a couple at the same time is noteworthy. I know it was > raining, but did anyone get any pictures? > > datsunmike wrote: > > > Yeah, you in CA can laugh at 45 cars but for these here parts where rust is > > as common as a cold, that's a pretty good showing. > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 17:39:41 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Ryan, Richard" , "Howard Fletcher" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:34:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Clutch change story Did you ever see a Bugeye motor???? It makes the roadster motor look like a big block chevy! 2 ants could get the thing out! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan, Richard To: 'datsunmike' ; Howard Fletcher ; 'Mike Poorboy' ; Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: RE: Clutch change story > At an SCCA national race years ago I watched 2 guys change out a Bugeye > motor in less than 20 minutes. That shows they had done it many times. > > The best part was, when it was disconnected, the 2 of them lifting it out > with no hoist or help. > > Dick Ryan ex. 24022 > (650)312-4022 > Risk Management Dept. > SM 2000/2 > FAX (650)312-5830 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsunmike [mailto:datsunmike@nyc.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:16 PM > To: Howard Fletcher; 'Mike Poorboy'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: Clutch change story > > > I am a Roadsterite, but an older one, and it takes me 2 days. In my youth I > could do it in a few hours. Oh well! > > 66 Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > >" I know guys who have got an engine out in 2 hours with air tools, > experts - > > a non roadsterite may take two days." > > > > Regards > > > > Howard > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 17:42:27 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "steve car" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:38:15 -0400 Subject: Re: New Datsun Service Manual Dean bought the old Rising Sun manual authored by Scott Scheeler. ----- Original Message ----- From: steve car To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: New Datsun Service Manual > Sometime ago there was a thread about a new service manual available from > Dean at http://www.datsunparts.com/. I bought one a couple of days ago. It > is $19.50 and I think it is worthwhile to have one. I have copied the ad > from the website: > > > Datsun 1600/2000 232 Page Repair Service Manual > > No! This isn't a copy of the old poorly written Clymer Service Manual. > It's much, much more! > > This all new supplemented unabridged technical manual is what our > customers have been waiting years for. > > Here's what you'll receive: Technical tips and service intervals, > engine, transmission, carburetor rebuilding, torque specifications, wear > limits and other pertinent safety information, exploded view diagrams, > wiring diagrams, articles, background and major development > changes, detailed technical assembly/disassembly info, do's and don'ts, > chassis number to year info, paint codes and a key number > system to help our customers order parts more easily. Don't be lost > without this helpful tool in your restoration. ON SALE NOW!!! > > Steve > 69 1600 > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 17:56:06 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:51:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Firestone Tires Tom, Now you reminded me why I still buy Jap cars and have been my entire "driving" life. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 4:01 PM Subject: Firestone Tires > I used to be the manager of a Wal-Mart auto shop. We > used to get Rangers and Explorers in all the time with > bubbles under the tread (separated). I even got a few > that had thrown the tread, but not flipped. I swore I > would never use Firestone tires. These trucks that came > in were less than a year old in many cases. Ironically > I was given a Chevy truck that had Firestone ATX tires > on it. These ATX's weren't the same that are currently > causing all the problems. They were Farm Bureau tires. > They made a lot of noise(knobby), but lasted a long time > and gave good response and feel. Unfortunately they > discontinued these particular tires and started a new > line named ATX that are the ones that separated > freequently. Another common problem with OEM parts was > the batteries. We replaced batteries from new(less than > a year old) Fords and Chevys all the time. Ford > batteries seemed to bulge out and fail, while the side > terminals of Chevy batteries came out and spilled acid > everywhere. Most of the time the Chevy batteries had > never been disconnected so owner overtightening could > not be suspected. > > There have been several comments on air pressure. A > lower air pressure will give a softer ride while > increasing contact patch and adhesion. A higher air > pressure will give a harsher ride, lower temperatures, > and increase slip. The sidewall rolling under does not > effect the adhesion of the tire much. It does effect > the feel and responsiveness as the tire squirms in > relation to the rim. In extreem cases the rim may touch > the ground causing the car to flip. I have replaced > tires that the sidewalls rolled so far as to pull the > bead away from the rim enough to allow dirt and grass to > get inside the tire without it deflating. I have also > replaced tires with screwdrivers, old valve stems, and > loose change inside. I guess you should monitor the > guys that are installing your tires. Don't make them > mad however, I've seen technitions hammer 2.5 oz weights > on obnoxious peoples perfectly ballenced new tires. > Andy > > On the air pressure vs. tire: > > > > I'd run the higher air pressure. This will reduce the heat build up > > in the tires, and IMPROVE the handling. The RIDE does suffer > > as you will feel more bumps, and the like. > > > > Personally, I'd spend the $400 on new tires. Toss the Firestones, > > and install anything else. My heart goes out to the families who have > > lost someone due to an accident. [Local family was on vacation... > > sadly their 8 year daughter was killed in the roll over.] > > > > Also commonly overlooked is that at time (mud, sand, etc) conditions > > you are better reducing air pressure. Sad part was a couple of hikers > > who had gotten their rental car stuck in deep sand, and died when > > they decided to hike out. To "free" the stuck vehicle was to simply > > let the air out of the tires, down to 10 psi, and DRIVE the vehicle out > > of the sand. > > > > Tom Walter > > '68 2000 --> darn hard to spot in Austin Traffic > > '84 Land Cruiser FJ60 --> easiest to spot the RED beast in traffic > > '99 Maxima SE --> quick and fun, probably the safest vehicle I own > > > > > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 17:58:16 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "sar castro" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:54:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Hey these guys are funny, kinda like a comedy team!!!!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sar castro To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? > > > >I think $2000 dollars is fair considering the age and what else you could > >buy for the money. > > NOPE! > > >Hell , There is a 1985 M-B 300 in immaculate condition > >available in my area for less than $4000. > > PIECE OF JUNK TOO! > > >Why people value these cars beyond some sensible value just puts them out of > >reach of people willing to drive them. > > YOU CAN NOT DRIVE AN ALWAYS BROKEN CAR! > > > >If they were so valuable, why are so many of them left derelict around in > >peoples yards. > > BECAUSE THEY DO NOT RUN! > > >The one I have was given to me and I wouldn't have one if it came any other > >way. > > I WOULD NOT HAVE ONE! > > >Any practical person would buy something that ran and what parts you did > >need could be had at the local auto parts store. Almost anything made in > >the last 10 years will run the doors off these things. > > I KNEW THERE WAS SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN ON THIS LIST! > > > The only virtue I > >can see in them is that they are simple, and sit on a solid > > RUSTY! > > >chassis. > > > > > >All the rest is un bridled passion! > > YOU MEAN IGNORANCE RIGHT? > > > > >Regards > > > >Calvin Grandy > >Vermont ;-) > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get your very own free E-mail,Free Fax Search multiple search engines in one go join our community,and lots more.... ---> http://www.wiremail.net > > Make money in the e-commerce boom register FREE at http://www.wiremail.net/register_associate.html > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 18:05:22 2000 From: Leonard Sprague To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:05:00 -0400 Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida Is there a definite way to tell ( besides VIN on engine ) if this is in fact a 67.5 2000. According to http://www.datsunroadster.com/INFO_PAGES/what_year.htm this car should have a VIN between SRL311-00001 to 01000. Correct? Is there anything else specific that I need to look for on this particular car? Also... I spoke with the owner and have made arrangemants to go see the car this Saturday. I will take pictures and get as much information as possible from him for anyone interested ( including myself ). I'd like to get everyone's input before I go down. This is what the owner has said so far: (quoting) - he has owned the car for ~ 10 years. - it was restored ~ 15 years ago. - red w/ black interior - just under 70,000 miles is this right? - SU carbs? - has a high wind-shield? available pictures: http://www.datsunroadsters.com/dats03.html http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/5610/dat_tpa1.jpg (second one from right) Thanks in advance. -Lenny (pencil, paper, & camara in hand) p.s. "Easily a 10 footer" means that it looks great from ~ 10 feet away. Andrew Murphy wrote: > 1967 Datsun 2000, 2000 cc Fairlady roadster 1967.5 model Red with black > interior and roll bar Ground up restoration Runs great Easily a 10 footer > Many spares From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 18:15:45 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: Leonard Sprague Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:14:53 -0700 Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida Leonard asks: > Is there a definite way to tell ( besides VIN on engine) if this is in > fact a 67.5 2000. Actually you need to check the VIN on the FRAME, located on the left side, top portion of the frame aft of the steering box. It may be hard to read thru the paint. It must be an SRL (not SPL) and 01000 or under. But the pictures and your questions answer it all: > - SU carbs? Not on a factory original 67.5 2000! > - has a high wind-shield? No no no! 67.5 is a low screen with the mirror on the DASH. > available pictures: > http://www.datsunroadsters.com/dats03.html This page itself identifies it as a 1968, and the picture is of a '68 2000. So no, this is not an elusive 67 2000... -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 18:17:12 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: sprague@ufl.edu Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:16:48 PDT Subject: The bubble has burst (Was 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida) Hi all, The old adage "If it seems too good to be true...." comes to mind. This car is a 68 2000. Nothing wrong with that, but it is NOT a 67.5 2000. The 67.5 2000 was a low windhshield car. The only 2 liter roadster that was built this way. If this car is a 68, it will have a VIN over 1000. It looks like a decent 68 to me, but it is not a 67.5 2000. Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex SoCalROC >From: Leonard Sprague >To: Andrew Murphy >Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:00:21 -0400 > >Is there a definite way to tell ( besides VIN on engine ) if this is in >fact a >67.5 2000. According to >http://www.datsunroadster.com/INFO_PAGES/what_year.htm >this car should have a VIN between SRL311-00001 to 01000. Correct? > >Is there anything else specific that I need to look for on this particular >car? > >Also... I spoke with the owner and have made arrangemants to go see the car >this >Saturday. I will take pictures and get as much information as possible from >him >for anyone interested ( including myself ). I'd like to get everyone's >input >before I go down. > >This is what the owner has said so far: (quoting) > - he has owned the car for ~ 10 years. > - it was restored ~ 15 years ago. > - red w/ black interior > - just under 70,000 miles > >is this right? > - SU carbs? > - has a high wind-shield? > >available pictures: >http://www.datsunroadsters.com/dats03.html >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/5610/dat_tpa1.jpg (second one from >right) > >Thanks in advance. > >-Lenny >(pencil, paper, & camara in hand) > >p.s. "Easily a 10 footer" means that it looks great from ~ 10 feet away. > > >Andrew Murphy wrote: > > > 1967 Datsun 2000, 2000 cc Fairlady roadster 1967.5 model Red with black > > interior and roll bar Ground up restoration Runs great Easily a 10 >footer > > Many spares > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 18:18:35 2000 From: Leonard Sprague To: sprague@ufl.edu Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:18:09 -0400 Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida - NOT! O.K. I spoke with the owner again. Apparently he says that the VIN numbers make it a 1968 ... not a 67.5, even though it was manufactured in late 1967. That would make more sense about the windshield, etc. (see http://www.datsunroadster.com/INFO_PAGES/what_year.htm ) This is NOT an 67.5. He also wrote me: "Wanted to reiterate that the car is a late model year 1967, not an early 1967. This is causing some confusion in the ad and I am trying to change it to 1968 to avoid any further confusion amongst the serious collector population I seem to have riled. FYI, there were only 1,000 early 1967 (Solex carburetors) built and approx 12,000 late 1967 through 1969 (SU carburetors) built." So! What is everyone's opinion of the value of the car now? (And should I still dirve 4 hours to see it?) A recap: This is what the owner has said so far: (quoting) - he has owned the car for ~ 10 years. - it was restored ~ 15 years ago. - red w/ black interior - just under 70,000 miles available pictures: http://www.datsunroadsters.com/dats03.html http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/5610/dat_tpa1.jpg (second one from right) -Lenny '69 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1145488&a=8415574&p=27193740 Andrew Murphy wrote: > 1967 Datsun 2000, 2000 cc Fairlady roadster 1967.5 model Red with black > interior and roll bar Ground up restoration Runs great Easily a 10 footer > Many spares From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 18:37:00 2000 From: "Lehinger" To: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:37:04 -0500 Subject: RE: Clutch change story Once in SCCA racing at Indy Raceway Park ,my brother blew his 2000. We loaded the car on the trailer drove to Ft Wayne - approx 3 hrs, unloaded the car. We took out his street car motor, removed the race engine, placed the street car motor in the race car, filled fluids, on the trailer and had his wife drive us back while we slept... breakfast back at IRP...kinda long night.... Lee Ehinger OROC Ft Wayne IN From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 18:41:27 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:40:04 +0000 Subject: lurker in shame Roman, I finally got the wire brush out and found the vin on the frames. I would have just looked at the titles but I can't find them. The plates on the cowlings are gone. Probably they are in the many boxes of parts that came with the car. 1968 SRL311-03667 engine 01549 (not mine yet, but ever hopeful) 1968 SPL311-18316 engine 02822(U20) (Soon to be CSP honda destroyer) Andy From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 18:42:18 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Leonard Sprague" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:37:06 -0400 Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida High windshield?????? Unless you're a muchkin the windshield should be low and the dash flat. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Leonard Sprague To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida > Is there a definite way to tell ( besides VIN on engine > ) if this is in fact a > 67.5 2000. According to > http://www.datsunroadster.com/INFO_PAGES/what_year.htm > this car should have a VIN between SRL311-00001 to > 01000. Correct? > > Is there anything else specific that I need to look for > on this particular car? > > Also... I spoke with the owner and have made > arrangemants to go see the car this > Saturday. I will take pictures and get as much > information as possible from him > for anyone interested ( including myself ). I'd like to > get everyone's input > before I go down. > > This is what the owner has said so far: (quoting) > - he has owned the car for ~ 10 years. > - it was restored ~ 15 years ago. > - red w/ black interior > - just under 70,000 miles > > is this right? > - SU carbs? > - has a high wind-shield? > > available pictures: > http://www.datsunroadsters.com/dats03.html > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/5610/dat_tpa1.jpg > (second one from > right) > > Thanks in advance. > > -Lenny > (pencil, paper, & camara in hand) > > p.s. "Easily a 10 footer" means that it looks great > from ~ 10 feet away. > > > Andrew Murphy wrote: > > > 1967 Datsun 2000, 2000 cc Fairlady roadster 1967.5 > model Red with black > > interior and roll bar Ground up restoration Runs > great Easily a 10 footer > > Many spares > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 19:01:40 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:00:58 +0000 Subject: re-assembly I took the head off my U20 to track down a knock. It turned out to be a rod bearing. I hung the chain on the "hook of death" while the head was off. I also rotated the crank a few times while removing the pistons. I painted the link on the chain that matched the guide screw on the cam gear. Here is my question. 1. Is it possible for the upper chain to skip a tooth on the jackshaft gear when I rotate the crank? I don't want to take the timing cover off if I don't have to. 2. Can the cam timing be set without taking off the timing cover? I was thinking about bringing it to TDC and then eyeballing the cam. 3. Guide screw at 3:00 right? I loosened the cam to allow the valves to shut while I was polishing the combustion chambers. The cam rotated. 4. Can it be tightened back down in the TDC alignment or is it going to turn as I crank it down? One last thing. The crank pulley has separated and is rubbing the pointer. 5. Is it possible for the timing marks to get askew in relation to the crank? Thanks for your help, Andy Cost SPL311-18316(U20) (soon to have a Rochester 2bbl) SRL311-03667 (Soon to have!) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 19:03:35 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:03:01 +0000 Subject: RE: Clutch change story Did you fare well at the races? > Once in SCCA racing at Indy Raceway Park ,my brother blew his 2000. We > loaded the car on the trailer drove to Ft Wayne - approx 3 hrs, unloaded the > car. We took out his street car motor, removed the race engine, placed the > street car motor in the race car, filled fluids, on the trailer and had his > wife drive us back while we slept... breakfast back at IRP...kinda long > night.... > Lee Ehinger > OROC > Ft Wayne IN > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 19:04:10 2000 From: Mark Dent To: R Haug , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:00:49 -0400 Subject: SUV Rollovers I have to defend the SUV owner is a fool mentality that seems to be coming up. I have to say it is the driving NOT the car MOST of the time. I happen to own an Xterra (and strangely enough a 99 Passat, how many roadster owners have them? I know 4!). I drive a lot every day and can not see me ever flipping the thing. If you know how to drive, the vehicle does not seem to matter. Actually I have rolled a 280 Z, now that was hard to do! Mark Baltimore 68 1600 67.5 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 19:05:12 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:04:31 EDT Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida (What to look for) I believe the serial number should be SRL31100001-SRL31101000. ALSO: 67 2000 SRL311-00001 to 01000 Also referred to as "67 1/2 2000" Same as 67 1/2 1600's. The only low windshield, flat dash 2000. Also had unique stainless trim around license plate area. Tach goes to 8000rpm, speedo to 160mph. Headlight "scoops" are "satin" finish. Only outer edges are chrome like 1500/1600 and 69-70 2000. NOTE: Have found no cars with vins between 00343 and 00400 inclusive, and only 7 cars above #701. Some theories point to only 650 LHD 2000's being made. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 19:09:58 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:09:27 EDT Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida (Not all 67 2000's had SU, not all 67 2000 roadsters had SU Carbs, Some came with Solex from Japan, Some were added by the dealership, Some were installed from a factory kit by an owner, and some remained SU. If I am wrong I believe one of the experts will let us know Larry 69 2000 (isn't that 1 1/2 yr better than a 67 1/2 2000) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 19:24:59 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Stephen McCartney" , Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:29:32 -0500 Subject: RE: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Stephen McCartney wrote >Hey, Victor! You just expressed my feelings exactly! > >It's like those Harley-Davidson T-shirts you see: > >For those who understand, no explanation is necessary >For those who don't, no explanation is possible. > >Steve >('68 2000 Solex) oooh, please in no way equate our little cars with Harleys...Feel free to equate Z-3s with harleys, much more appropriate ;-) Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 19:32:31 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:31:55 -0500 Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida > But the pictures and your questions answer it all: > > - SU carbs? > Not on a factory original 67.5 2000! Yes, Most of the 67 2000 were delivered to the USA were fitted with SU's. Our Austrailian friends only got their 2000's (all years) delivered with Solex Carbs. The first 100 or so 67 2000's delivered were fitted with Solex carbs, but I've seen too many variations on factory photo's, so who knows... fun trivia The Carbs on the 67 2000 are different than the ones fitted on 68's (minor detail, like threading and casting). Now I am getting really picky! Cheers, Tom From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 19:34:29 2000 From: "Scott Perschke" To: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:39:41 -0600 Subject: Mountain bike FS Anyone wanna buy a 6 yr. old, 21-speed Specialized mountain bike? New chain and gears, gel seat, your choice of pedals. I promise to spend the revenue on my roadster! Scott P. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 21:31:26 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:36:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster I thought this was kinda strange advice, too. Maybe what they are trying to do is to reduce the traction enough that you won't be able to build up the lateral G's necessary to roll it. I may be biased, but I see any SUV as a rollover looking for a place to happen. Sure, there are exceptional drivers out there who can handle one fine. I've heard wild stories about Bob Bondurant taking a load of students around the track in a 9-passenger van and DRIFTING IT through the turns, but not everyone is a Bondurant. svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com wrote: > Maybe some of the racer/gurus out there can speak more definitively on this subject, but > it seems to me that softer tires would exacerbate the tendency to roll - based on this > line of logic: The high CG placement of these vehicles means there is a longer moment arm > between the center of mass and the tire contact patch; the large mass acting through this > distance results in a large (and aptly-named) overturning moment. Any increase in > flexibility in the structures (suspension, that is shocks/struts, and tires) that resist > this overturning moment results in higher deflection angles; that is - greater > displacement of the CG from center and a greater tendency to ROLL OVER! > > It is exactly the combination of high CG, large mass and soft suspension that makes SUVs > so roof-happy, especially in avoidance maneuvers at speed, when a high rate steering input > combined with the vehicle's velocity create very high forces acting against the cushy > suspension systems these vehicle are typically equipped with. The sudden inputs required > to correct for a blown tire are an example of what to do if you want to put your typical > SUV on it's roof. If it were me, I'd crank the pressure up to reduce tire body heating on > my way to the tire store to buy some Michelins... > > Gay McCormick > San Jose, CA > > Pamela Pepoy wrote: > > > [snip] However, > > Ford says to only inflate them to 30 psi (soft to avoid the Explorer's > > inclination to tip over and roll). Firestone says to inflate them to 35 > > psi to stop them from heating up and peeling off like a bannana skin and > > also causing the Explorer to roll. So, my NEW, SAFE family vehicle is > > an unsafe, certified turkey.[snip] > > Guy > > 67.5 SPL311 > > Tempe, AZ > > > > --------------42B278C8638BE7302B0EB185-- -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 21:35:21 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:39:33 -0700 Subject: Static timing a distributor You're on the right track. Have the ignition turned on and rotate the distributor until the points spark when opening. That'll get you pretty close. Mitch Planck wrote: > A question: what's the best way to statically time it? Set notch at 16deg > BTDC, rotate distributor until it's just starting to open? I've got a > pre-smog distributor. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 21:38:25 2000 From: philip erickson <69srl311@altavista.com> To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: 13 Sep 2000 20:37:50 -0700 Subject: Value of a 2000 I agree with victor, the value is in the driving. I don't care for the short windshield loook or feel, but I like the interior of the flat dash. So I have the only high windshield / flat dash 67.5 2L If a late 67 production date make it a 67.5 2L, then my 66 Flat Dash 1969 car is a 67.5 (66 + 69)/2 = 67.5 new math 67.5 high windshield 2L Phil still working on the wiring etc. but that doesnt' stop me from driving. Philip Erickson _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 22:00:03 2000 From: Russell Southwell To: Gordon Glasgow Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:54:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster I had an S 10 Blazer that would go anywhere, sure went thru that Stae Park sign sideways and backwards, never did get all the glass out of it. not enough heater in a snow storm with all that glass missing.kinda like the roadster with out the top. Russ Southwell 70 1600 Gordon Glasgow wrote: > I thought this was kinda strange advice, too. Maybe what they are trying to do is to reduce the > traction enough that you won't be able to build up the lateral G's necessary to roll it. > > I may be biased, but I see any SUV as a rollover looking for a place to happen. Sure, there are > exceptional drivers out there who can handle one fine. I've heard wild stories about Bob Bondurant > taking a load of students around the track in a 9-passenger van and DRIFTING IT through the turns, > but not everyone is a Bondurant. > > svgkm@halley.ca.essd.northgrum.com wrote: > > > Maybe some of the racer/gurus out there can speak more definitively on this subject, but > > it seems to me that softer tires would exacerbate the tendency to roll - based on this > > line of logic: The high CG placement of these vehicles means there is a longer moment arm > > between the center of mass and the tire contact patch; the large mass acting through this > > distance results in a large (and aptly-named) overturning moment. Any increase in > > flexibility in the structures (suspension, that is shocks/struts, and tires) that resist > > this overturning moment results in higher deflection angles; that is - greater > > displacement of the CG from center and a greater tendency to ROLL OVER! > > > > It is exactly the combination of high CG, large mass and soft suspension that makes SUVs > > so roof-happy, especially in avoidance maneuvers at speed, when a high rate steering input > > combined with the vehicle's velocity create very high forces acting against the cushy > > suspension systems these vehicle are typically equipped with. The sudden inputs required > > to correct for a blown tire are an example of what to do if you want to put your typical > > SUV on it's roof. If it were me, I'd crank the pressure up to reduce tire body heating on > > my way to the tire store to buy some Michelins... > > > > Gay McCormick > > San Jose, CA > > > > Pamela Pepoy wrote: > > > > > [snip] However, > > > Ford says to only inflate them to 30 psi (soft to avoid the Explorer's > > > inclination to tip over and roll). Firestone says to inflate them to 35 > > > psi to stop them from heating up and peeling off like a bannana skin and > > > also causing the Explorer to roll. So, my NEW, SAFE family vehicle is > > > an unsafe, certified turkey.[snip] > > > Guy > > > 67.5 SPL311 > > > Tempe, AZ > > > > > > --------------42B278C8638BE7302B0EB185-- > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 22:08:47 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: sandhoff@csus.edu, sprague@ufl.edu Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:07:24 EDT Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida John, I beg to differ. The SU carbs were available on the 67 2000. The Solex induction (including the B cam, Solex induction, 7 quart oil pan, etc) was an option. Road tests from that era confirm this - the Brooklands book documents it clearly. Sid >But the pictures and your questions answer it all: > > - SU carbs? >Not on a factory original 67.5 2000! > >-- John > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 22:38:34 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: "Laury, Victor" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:46:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Victor, At 70+ the Explorer is spooky. Scares the stuff out of me. It is sooo...goosey. Sorry, not very literate tonight. Oh it is fine if you are driving in a straight line. Goes like a bat. BUT, the slightest touch on the steering wheel results in a over reaction and roll effect. At higher speeds it drives like a flippin stage coach. I do try to keep the speed down. But, as you know, this is hard to do on the interstates. God help the poor soul who has to make a tight evasive manuver at 60+. This is a sloppy whale of a driver. Guy "Laury, Victor" wrote: > >It is exactly the combination of high CG, large mass and soft suspension > that makes SUVs so roof-happy, especially in avoidance maneuvers at speed, > when a high rate steering input combined with the vehicle's velocity create > very high forces acting against the cushy suspension systems these vehicle > are typically equipped with. The sudden inputs required to correct for a > blown tire are an example of what to do if you want to put your typical SUV > on it's roof. If it were me, I'd crank the pressure up to reduce tire body > heating on my way to the tire store to buy some Michelins... Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > Gary, Your logic is the same argument I would make. I wonder if at least > some of the drivers of these vehicles ever wonder over the physics of their > motion. I own a sports car. Why is it that I'm being passed by SUV's doing > 85+ on any So. Cal. Freeway? Do they ever ponder what would happen if they > had to avoid a hazard? I do. They would become a placed hazard or several, > as the behemoth would break up into several large pieces before coming to > rest. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 22:40:23 2000 From: "Charles Hubbard" To: "Datsun Roadsters (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:36:28 -0500 Subject: Well....I guess he told us! ASSHOLE! Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: sar castro Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? >I think $2000 dollars is fair considering the age and what else you could >buy for the money. NOPE! >Hell , There is a 1985 M-B 300 in immaculate condition >available in my area for less than $4000. PIECE OF JUNK TOO! >Why people value these cars beyond some sensible value just puts them out of >reach of people willing to drive them. YOU CAN NOT DRIVE AN ALWAYS BROKEN CAR! > >If they were so valuable, why are so many of them left derelict around in >peoples yards. BECAUSE THEY DO NOT RUN! >The one I have was given to me and I wouldn't have one if it came any other >way. I WOULD NOT HAVE ONE! >Any practical person would buy something that ran and what parts you did >need could be had at the local auto parts store. Almost anything made in >the last 10 years will run the doors off these things. I KNEW THERE WAS SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN ON THIS LIST! > The only virtue I >can see in them is that they are simple, and sit on a solid RUSTY! >chassis. > >All the rest is un bridled passion! YOU MEAN IGNORANCE RIGHT? > >Regards > >Calvin Grandy >Vermont ;-) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 22:49:11 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:53:13 -0700 Subject: Re: re-assembly andycost@att.net wrote: > I took the head off my U20 to track down a knock. It > turned out to be a rod bearing. I hung the chain on > the "hook of death" while the head was off. I also > rotated the crank a few times while removing the > pistons. I painted the link on the chain that matched > the guide screw on the cam gear. Here is my question. > > 1. Is it possible for the upper chain to skip a tooth > on the jackshaft gear when I rotate the crank? If you kept the cam gear in place in the chain and suspended it from the bracket by using a 8mm bolt, it shouldn't. If you removed the cam gear and just hung the chain from the bracket, then probably. > I don't want to take the timing cover off if I don't > have to. > > 2. Can the cam timing be set without taking off > the timing cover? > I was thinking about bringing it to TDC and theneyeballing the cam. Sure. Just be careful. Set #1 piston at TDC, making sure the rotor in the distributor is pointed to the #1 spark plug lead. Set the camshaft so the two front lobes are "splitting" the 12:00 position. Make sure the slack is out of the "down" side of the chain before you drop the head on. Put the head on and see if everything lines up. WARNING: once you have the head bolted down, don't attempt to rotate the crank without bolting up the cam. If you do, the pistons will come up and hit the valves. > 3. Guide screw at 3:00 right? No, 12:00. The timing mark is at 3:00. > I loosened the cam to allow the valves to shut while I > was polishing the combustion chambers. The cam > rotated. It's generally better to loosen the adjusters all the way down and remove the rockers before unbolting the cam tower caps. BTW, I hope you masked everything off before you started grinding (including all the water passages into the head). Otherwise you should probably have the head disassembled and thoroughly cleaned. > 4. Can it be tightened back down in the TDC alignment > or is it going to turn as I crank it down? It'll probably rotate from the force of the rockers on the lobes. But that's okay, you'll wind up realigning it to the cam gear anyway. > One last thing. The crank pulley has separated and is > rubbing the pointer. > > 5. Is it possible for the timing marks to get askew > in relation to the crank? Yes, if the outer ring of the crank pulley has come loose from the center section. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 22:54:04 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: Thomas Walter Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:01:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ford Explorer Tires (Non Roadster question) Tom, As usual, right on the mark. Sorry about your brother in law. I lost one of my army buddies in a jeep roll over. He went too fast. The old style jeep was too high (No roll bars issued). He flipped it and was very dead. Delightful topic. I use my SUV for in town and highway traveling up some very twisty roads to the White Mountains area of Arizona. I now go alot slower than in my previous vehicle. I do put on alot of miles (almost 9,000 in 3 months). Guy Thomas Walter wrote: > Folks, Normally I tend to YELL when we get off topic. In this > case, a lot of us do have SUV's and Leigh has a good point. > Shocks, Springs, and Sway bars all play a part in the vehicle > and the handling. > > For STREET driving I like very firm shocks (Bilstein), stiff > tires (better response, less roll momentum as Gary pointed out). > IPD (Best known for Volvo stuff) sells sway bars/suspension for > the bigger SUV's, too. > > For OFF road, it is totally different. Softer shocks, taller springs, > softer tires. Disconnect the sway bars. This allows for maximum > suspension movement over rocks, ledges, etc. Oh, top speed > normally is "2 to 25 mph" in that configuration. > > Usually the OEM's have to split the two extremes. They are very > aware that most buyers do not plan on going off road, but want > a softer "car like feel" for most driving. > > Irony... I plan on RAISING my Land Cruiser (FJ60 Wagon) for > ground clearance. On the bright side the engine allows for a top > speed of 65 to 70. Not the fastest rig out there. > > Sad part is people assume that SUV = Safety. Not so. As most > of you know my Brother in Law was killed last year in a Jeep > Rollover. Fully belted in, but broke his neck from the impact > (roof caved in), died of complications after being in ICU. > > For a while I kept a running tally on "SUV's rolled". I finally gave > up counting, as it was an average of ONE VEHICLE PER WEEK. > My 60 mile commute means lots of traffic through town. Quite a > high count, and there is one area on "Mopac" heading north that > is SUV gutter. High speed left, when traffic starts slowing quickly. > Too fast, a little turn, and just hitting the brakes at the wrong time... > and it you can see them flip. Single car accidents, but with the > same conditions, and a little "bump" it doesn't take much to roll. > > Other "not too swift" maneuver was a Suburban that did a left > turn, while going about 60, into a apartment complex. The 'burb > had new paper plates, and overshot the left turn. Into the ditch, > and did a back flip landing on the roof. Driver was OK, still belted > in. You'll have to realize due to flash flood and heavy rains in Texas > the roads have more camber for water run off, and ditches that > will be a good 5' across and 5' deep in sections. > > Sorry for rambling on, but SUV's do make for a nice tow vehicle > and road trip vehicle. They will be around for some time, but if you > want something to go fast and corner... take the roadster! > > Cheers, > > Tom Walter > > shifty wrote: > > > Are there any aftermarket shocks, springs and/or anti-sway bars available? > > Would any of that help the handling and stability of anything that high up > > in the air? Lowering the ride height by an inch or two would lower the > > center of gravity. > > > > Leigh Brooks > > BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 23:00:33 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:05:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Firestone Tires If the sidewall rolls enough, the inner shoulder of the tire will come up, reducing the contact patch. Yes, the main effect of higher pressure is quicker response to input due to the stiffer sidewall. But it's hard to overinflate a radial enough to get it to bulge in the center and really reduce the contact patch. When I was autocrossing the SE-R on street tires, I kept bumping the tire pressures and it kept sticking better and better. I finally stopped at 50psi. The BFG R1's, which were autocross tires, were happiest at 34psi. andycost@att.net wrote: > There have been several comments on air pressure. A > lower air pressure will give a softer ride while > increasing contact patch and adhesion. A higher air > pressure will give a harsher ride, lower temperatures, > and increase slip. The sidewall rolling under does not > effect the adhesion of the tire much. It does effect > the feel and responsiveness as the tire squirms in > relation to the rim. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 23:16:48 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: Datsun Roadsters Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:24:42 -0700 Subject: Thank you Greetings, Thanks for the generous response to my non-roadster question (Ford Explorer's and their killer tires). I promise to try not to be peeved off when someone else does the same thing. This list, and all the people on it, are simply GREAT. I hope someone else may have also gained some valuable information. Guy 67.5 SPL 311 Tempe, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 13 23:35:20 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:31:27 -0700 Subject: pipes and hoses Doing the plumbing work on the engine bay and ran into a few things that got me scratching my head. First is the metal fuel line running around the front of the engine. Anyone help me out as to exactly how it goes on? I can see a couple of possibilities, but I know only one is correct. Given that it is carrying highly flammable materials, I would like to get it right! Also, after several frustrating days of searching in the garage, I found the metal water line that runs over the top of the intake manifold. Problem is, it is rather chewed up on the ends. I need to know what the silly thing looked like when new so I can reproduce it. Thanks Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 02:10:53 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: More Pictures! OK, I've posted the rest of the Mt Wilson pics! It takes me a bit as I don't have a digital camera. There are also some more shots of Jay leno's "rocket"... only one problem.....double exposures! Great special effect but not what I had in mind! If any of you are very knowlegeable as to cameras, maybe you could let me know what went wrong... I have no Idea. The camera is a pentax slr, I've used it succesfully for years. Anyway enjoy, comment, laugh, or whatever...... the rest of the Wilson shots are up for your viewing. Roman Rist __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 02:31:55 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: More Pictures!The Link --- Roman Rist wrote: OK, I've posted the rest of the Mt Wilson pics! Duh, the link would be nice. ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 05:34:31 2000 From: "Lehinger" To: , Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:34:42 -0500 Subject: RE: Clutch change story That race - yes...it as the last race of "student driver". My Brother had been a little aggressive on the timing advance of some motors. I was the head wrench (jr & sr yr of High School). I much less aggressive on timing advance and my motors stayed together! ;-} My college U20 had the head milled so much we built cam tower shims (after we made a head shim)... starter had a hard time turing overthe motor, but boy did it run well after it started!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of andycost@att.net Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:03 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: RE: Clutch change story Did you fare well at the races? > Once in SCCA racing at Indy Raceway Park ,my brother blew his 2000. We > loaded the car on the trailer drove to Ft Wayne - approx 3 hrs, unloaded the > car. We took out his street car motor, removed the race engine, placed the > street car motor in the race car, filled fluids, on the trailer and had his > wife drive us back while we slept... breakfast back at IRP...kinda long > night.... > Lee Ehinger > OROC > Ft Wayne IN > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 06:48:19 2000 From: "David A. Fox" To: mtyler@hctc.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:47:39 EDT Subject: Z-3 / HD [was: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value?] Mark; Not sure I understand? I find it a very difficult choice to make on a beautiful day; which toy to take out for a ride - my Roadster or my Harley! "oooh, please in no way equate our little cars with Harleys...Feel free to equate Z-3s with harleys, much more appropriate ;-)" <(©¿©)> ------------------------------ Blue Skies & Calm Waters, DAFox [SRL311-04646] '97 Springer Softtail [mine] '95 Custom Sporty [wife's] Oviedo, Florida dafox1@hotmail.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: Marc Tyler Reply-To: Marc Tyler To: "Stephen McCartney" , CC: " roadster List" Subject: RE: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:29:32 -0500 Stephen McCartney wrote >Hey, Victor! You just expressed my feelings exactly! > >It's like those Harley-Davidson T-shirts you see: > >For those who understand, no explanation is necessary >For those who don't, no explanation is possible. > >Steve >('68 2000 Solex) oooh, please in no way equate our little cars with Harleys...Feel free to equate Z-3s with harleys, much more appropriate ;-) Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 07:07:53 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: " roadster List" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:12:58 -0500 Subject: Subjective driving experience/frames of reference It's interesting to hear the driving impressions of a group of people who share a similar (roadster) experience. I'll hear someone say their explorer "handles great", and I wonder what his criteria are, or what his frame of reference is. When I bought my roadster in 87, my daily driver was a Tercel wagon, so the 1600 felt like a flat-handling rocket. I later put a heavier front sway-bar on and body-roll and understeer were decreased more. I imagine Mike Carion's or Vic Laury's 2000 would make my 1600 feel squishy, though we all have a roughly similar driving experience I imagine. I feel like I can trust the driver's impressions of list members more than the "general public" because of the common ground of our roadsters. just ramblin' >Victor, >At 70+ the Explorer is spooky. Scares the stuff out of me. It is >sooo...goosey. Sorry, not very literate tonight. Oh it is fine if you are >driving in a straight line. Goes like a bat. BUT, the slightest touch on >the >steering wheel results in a over reaction and roll effect. At higher >speeds it >drives like a flippin stage coach. I do try to keep the speed down. But, as >you know, this is hard to do on the interstates. God help the poor soul who >has to make a tight evasive manuver at 60+. This is a sloppy whale of a >driver. >Guy From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 07:07:53 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "David A. Fox" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:12:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Z-3 / HD [was: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value?] David A. Fox wrote >Mark; > >Not sure I understand? I find it a very difficult choice to make on a >beautiful day; which toy to take out for a ride - my Roadster or my Harley! > >"oooh, please in no way equate our little cars with Harleys...Feel free >to equate Z-3s with harleys, much more appropriate ;-)" Just personal prejudice on my part I'm afraid ;-) We get great flocks of Harleys clogging up the countryside here in the Hill Country, making a terrible racket with those dopey V-twins. Now BMW makes a motorcycle! Again...personal prejudice. All winkies and smiles, Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 07:10:36 2000 From: "Mark McInnis" To: "datsun-roadsters" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:21:38 -0500 Subject: "new manual" How does this manual, Dean at http://www.datsunparts.com/, compare to the one that Ralleye sells - Motorbooks International? Does it give better detailed illustrations and diagrams? Mark McInnis, SRL311 10600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 07:17:21 2000 From: "David A. Fox" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:16:57 EDT Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida If anyoone is interested in this car I could drive to Tampa and taake a look and some pictures. <(©¿©)> ------------------------------ Blue Skies & Calm Waters, DAFox [SRL311-04646] Oviedo, Florida dafox1@hotmail.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "sidney raper" To: dafox1@hotmail.com Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:20:31 EDT David, I would love to look at it - I would love to buy it. The problem is that I am in the middle of a job search. The car is in Tampa. Sid >From: "David A. Fox" >Reply-To: "David A. Fox" >To: solex67@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:37:20 EDT > >Andrew / All; > >I'm sure Sid and I could possibly work out a look-see depending on where in >Florida this car is located. > > ? Sid ? > ><(©¿©)> >------------------------------ >Blue Skies & Calm Waters, >DAFox [SRL311-04646] >Oviedo, Florida >dafox1@hotmail.com > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Andrew Murphy" >Reply-To: "Andrew Murphy" >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: 67.5 2000 for sale in Florida >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:52:56 PDT > >Hello All, > >Saw this add in traderonline this morning: > >1967 Datsun 2000, 2000 cc Fairlady roadster 1967.5 model Red with black >interior and roll bar Ground up restoration Runs great Easily a 10 footer >Many spares > >Contact Number: (813) 886-5181 > >Now, if this is a numbers matching car that is fully restored, the only >thing stopping me from hopping on a plane to Florida is the fact that I >already have one. This price seems to good to be true. Does anyone know >this >car? Can anyone go see it and take pics? > >Andrew Murphy >67.5 2000 Solex (Would not sell it for 5500.00 and it is not restored) >SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 08:02:33 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:00:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Firestone Tires I autocrossed an MR2 for several years. At one point I didn't have R1's so I used my Dunlop(dontstop)D60's. The sidewall rolled very badly. I kept increasing pressure until I got to 70psi with no improvement. It's not much fun losing an autocross while destroying your street tires. One of the good things I noticed from the softer sidewall tires is increased warning before breakaway. Unfortunately, they broke away much sooner than stickies. I guess that is why bias ply racing tires are so popular. They give better feel of what is about to happen. Andy > If the sidewall rolls enough, the inner shoulder of the tire will come up, > reducing the contact > patch. Yes, the main effect of higher pressure is quicker response to input due > to the stiffer > sidewall. But it's hard to overinflate a radial enough to get it to bulge in the > center and really > reduce the contact patch. When I was autocrossing the SE-R on street tires, I > kept bumping the tire > pressures and it kept sticking better and better. I finally stopped at 50psi. > The BFG R1's, which > were autocross tires, were happiest at 34psi. > > andycost@att.net wrote: > > > There have been several comments on air pressure. A > > lower air pressure will give a softer ride while > > increasing contact patch and adhesion. A higher air > > pressure will give a harsher ride, lower temperatures, > > and increase slip. The sidewall rolling under does not > > effect the adhesion of the tire much. It does effect > > the feel and responsiveness as the tire squirms in > > relation to the rim. > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 08:39:58 2000 From: "Mick T" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:39:15 GMT Subject: Towing a car for the first time Hi all, In a few weeks, I'll be towing a Roadster home. I've towed cars using a tow dolly before, but this will be on a flatbed trailor. It will be about a 2 hour drive. What are some of the things I need to do for safety? Do I need wheel wedges? Do I need to strap it down to the trailor somehow? -Mick- Oregon _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 09:29:01 2000 From: wrichter@electroglas.com To: mickth@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:29:02 -0700 Subject: RE: Towing a car for the first time Mick, You're going to need to buy or borrow at least 2 tie-down straps (you know the ratchet kind) which can be over the tires, and then use a thick rope (or pull strap) as a safety which is tied from the trailer to a solid part of the car (so it doesn't roll off the back of the trailer). Make sure you have the tongue load correct also. The ratchet tie-down needs to be roughly 5x of car so get a 10,000lb rated one. Think overkill and you'll be fine. Wayne > -----Original Message----- > From: Mick T [SMTP:mickth@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 7:39 AM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Towing a car for the first time > > Hi all, > In a few weeks, I'll be towing a Roadster home. I've towed cars using a > tow dolly before, but this will be on a flatbed trailor. It will be about > a > 2 hour drive. What are some of the things I need to do for safety? Do I > need > wheel wedges? Do I need to strap it down to the trailor somehow? > > -Mick- > Oregon > _________________________________________________________________________ > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 09:29:46 2000 From: Don Miller To: Mick T Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Towing a car for the first time As someone who tows a little (about 8000 miles so far this year), Ties and chocks are mandatory. I believe in safety out the wazoo. If my trailer ever came off the truck, the car would not come off the trailer. I use 5000 lb car straps front and rear one on each corner. For the 2 hour tow, You can block in front and behind the tires, and use 1000 lb motorcycle tie downs, one at each corner. They are like $29 for 4. I use car tie downs and they are $80-$100 for 4 from a good auto store. Invest in the good ones if you are going to tow lots. I wrap around the front lower a-arm and use the rear spring schakles in the back. My car dows not bounce alot because of the really stiff springs I use. Good Luck and be safe! Don Miller 69 turbo v-6 Meridian, ID --- Mick T wrote: > Hi all, > In a few weeks, I'll be towing a Roadster home. > I've towed cars using a > tow dolly before, but this will be on a flatbed > trailor. It will be about a > 2 hour drive. What are some of the things I need to > do for safety? Do I need > wheel wedges? Do I need to strap it down to the > trailor somehow? > > -Mick- > Oregon > _________________________________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 09:47:27 2000 From: bob_wilson@agilent.com To: ristguitars@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:47:04 -0600 Subject: Tom Prather's '69 2000 Roman, and list, I noticed Tom Prather's '69 2000 in Roman's pictures. Is Tom on our list? I wondered what kind of wheels are on his red 2000. Bob Wilson '70 (or is it really a '69) 1600 -----Original Message----- From: Roman Rist [mailto:ristguitars@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:31 AM To: datsun roadsters Subject: Re: More Pictures!The Link --- Roman Rist wrote: OK, I've posted the rest of the Mt Wilson pics! Duh, the link would be nice. ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 09:54:01 2000 From: ken ogi To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:08:10 -0700 Subject: rust proof paint??? hello list i took my roadster apart and found more than my share of rust and some rots. i used rust mort and then coated it with epoxy primer + sealer... i thought this will virtually stop the rust from spreading. well "virtually" is the right word because i still have areas where the rust has bled through. now i'm looking at a paint called POR-15. has anyone ever used this stuff? does it work? any input would be grateful :) thanks ken 67.5 1600 rust-bucket From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 09:56:48 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: mickth@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:13 EDT Subject: Re: Towing a car for the first time In a message dated 9/14/00 2:41:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, mickth@hotmail.com writes: << In a few weeks, I'll be towing a Roadster home. I've towed cars using a tow dolly before, but this will be on a flatbed trailor. It will be about a 2 hour drive. What are some of the things I need to do for safety? Do I need wheel wedges? Do I need to strap it down to the trailor somehow? >> HEllo, I trailer is the best way to go. Yes you do need to secure it to the trailer. I used four individual wheel harnesses. They worked great! But you do need to retighten them after about 30 or so minutes of driving. THe car settles alittle and the harnesses become slightly loose. Just crank them down alittle more and you are good for the rest of the trip. I used to flat tow. It seemed like alot of wear on the car. A trailer is so much better. One thing that you didnt mention is loading. Our Roadsters are very low so you will need to accomodate by having long ramps or your car will bottom out on the frame or rocker panels. Good luck and good towing! Attached site of my racer strapped to the trailer. Just go to the Racing Pictures. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=41965&Auth=False Michael "Calspeed" Carion 67.5 SRL3111-000248 Solex BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 10:00:33 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: mickth@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:05:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Towing a car for the first time Don Miller wrote >As someone who tows a little (about 8000 miles so far >this year), Ties and chocks are mandatory. I believe >in safety out the wazoo. If my trailer ever came off >the truck, the car would not come off the trailer. I >use 5000 lb car straps front and rear one on each >corner. For the 2 hour tow, You can block in front and >behind the tires, and use 1000 lb motorcycle tie >downs, one at each corner. They are like $29 for 4. I >use car tie downs and they are $80-$100 for 4 from a >good auto store. Invest in the good ones if you are >going to tow lots. > >I wrap around the front lower a-arm and use the rear >spring schakles in the back. My car dows not bounce >alot because of the really stiff springs I use. I have another question. If you do tow a car using a towbar, does registration need to be current on the towed vehicle? I've just acquired an L-320 parts truck and it is now in my brother's airplane hanger in Chico CA. It's a non runner and not registered. I'd be towing through CA. AZ, NM andTX. hmm...as I actually write this, I'm thinking a flatbed is the way to go...can probably buy a used one for the price of a U-Haul rental. opinions? Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 10:13:26 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: "Mick T" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:10:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Towing a car for the first time Mick Rigging a trailer. Place a pair of chains to the rear leaf spring shackles. and spread them to the corners of the trailer. 3/8" to 1/2 inch size will serve, larger if available. The fixing points on the trailer should be solid! I would bolt the chain in a loop rather than using any non-locking grab or slip hooks. If you are sure of you work, hooks can serve, Wrap them with tape or wire them, however. I assume the Roadster is pointing forward, as I like the heavy chain to secure the car in the event of a sudden stop. At the front, place similar chains to the lower A-arms. NOT the anti-sway bar!! These chains should be a bit longer than required, so when the car is sitting just forward of the trailers balance center,tight against the rear chains, there is still a bit of slack. Place chain binders, ratchet or toggle, on each of the front chains and tighten up the chains. You should see the rear end squat down a bit, and the front tires squish a bit. All four chains should be straight and tight. Give each a few hard tugs to be sure things are secure and not riding on some expensive car part. Cable may be substituted for chain, but I don't like it. As indicated, the car should be located ahead of the trailer "center line" Some tongue weight is needed to keep the trailer stable. Anecdotal: I tailored a Roadster from Florida when we relocated to Santa Barbara C. in the early 80"s. I had to have the trailer made as there didn't seem to be any around at the time of my need. It was a two axle unit. The tow vehicle was a 1984 Landcruiser FJ60 that we still have. I loaded the Roadster and an assortment of shop and household items on the trailer and prepared to start out. At the last minute, I decided to strap an additional motorcycle,a Ducati 250 to the rear of the trailer. We were living in Miami Beach at the time and by the time we crossed the causeway, I had been through two episodes of the most frightening fish tailing I can imagine. The extra mass out back had upset the trailers sense of well being. Needless to say my wife and I were not excited about going further. We stopped in Fort Lauderdale, and I gave the bike to a dealer. Though I explained my reasons, he was most cautious about the "gift". Good trailering Calvin Grandy Vermont ----- Original Message ----- What are some of the things I need to do for safety? Do I need > wheel wedges? Do I need to strap it down to the trailor somehow? _________________________________________________________________________ > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 10:27:50 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: "Pam & Paul Bauman" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:27:28 -0500 Subject: Re: pipes and hoses The line routes actoss the front (top) of the engine between the valve cover and the thermostat housing. There is a metal tab on the line that goes on the left front head bolt. Once that is positioned the rest of the line should be intuitive. If not, let me know and I will see how mine routes. Peace, Pat 67.5 1600 -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 10:39:21 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:38:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Towing a car for the first time I tow a roadster to the autocrosses all the time on a trailer. Be careful as you load it because the front may drag the ramps or hit the rear lip of the trailer. Do not under any circumstances tie down to the front sway-bar. I have seen several roadsters with bent locating arms, in face my car had one missing and the other pointed straight forward when I got it. I always loop a long chain through both rear leaf springs and attach the ends to the rear of the trailer. I then use a big ratcheting nylon strap ($25 at Wal-Mart) like the 18 wheelers use to attach the lower A-arm to the front of the trailer. I sinch it down until the chain in the back is good and tight(with the brake off out of gear). Then I set the brake and engage first gear. I loop another long chain through both lower A-arms in front and attach both ends to the front of the trailer. This last step is a little added insurance in case the strap breaks.(it never has) This system has worked well. My dad had to make a flying(70mph) swerve in his suburban (not on Firestones)one time. The truck and trailer skidded both ways as he did a very impressive s-manuever across three lanes between stopped cars. All the people applauded once he got it stopped. The car did not move an inch on the trailer. Definately this tried and true method of towing worked. Or possibly it was the BFG R1's holding the car on the trailer so tight. Andy > Hi all, > In a few weeks, I'll be towing a Roadster home. I've towed cars using a > tow dolly before, but this will be on a flatbed trailor. It will be about a > 2 hour drive. What are some of the things I need to do for safety? Do I need > wheel wedges? Do I need to strap it down to the trailor somehow? > > -Mick- > Oregon > _________________________________________________________________________ > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 10:44:05 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:41:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Towing a car for the first time Regarding safety/ If the car weighs 1700 pounds and you can panic stop at 1 g, The rear tie down straps only need to hold a ton to carry the static load. The actual load during even a moderate crash may exceed 10 g's that requires much more than 1000# tie downs. DON'T USE THEM! USE CHAIN! If you hit something, and the car comes loose of the mounting, consider that you have been hit by a tailgater that never even touched the brakes! A friend of mine once commented that it was un wise to loose load anything in the back that you wouldn't want to be hit in the head with. Regards Calvin Grandy > Mick, > You're going to need to buy or borrow at least 2 tie-down straps (you know > the ratchet kind) which can be over the tires, and then use a thick rope (or > pull strap) as a safety which is tied from the trailer to a solid part of > the car (so it doesn't roll off the back of the trailer). Make sure you > have the tongue load correct also. The ratchet tie-down needs to be roughly > 5x of car so get a 10,000lb rated one. Think overkill and you'll be fine. > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 10:56:31 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: andycost@att.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:55:18 EDT Subject: Re: Firestone Tires / Roadster In a message dated 9/14/00 2:04:38 PM !!!First Boot!!!, andycost@att.net writes: << I autocrossed an MR2 for several years. At one point I didn't have R1's so I used my Dunlop(dontstop)D60's. The sidewall rolled very badly. One of the good things I noticed from the softer sidewall tires is increased warning before breakaway. Unfortunately, they broke away much sooner than stickies. I guess that is why bias ply racing tires are so popular. They give better feel of what is about to happen. >> Funny thing is that I used the same tires on my 2000 the first time on the track. I thought the Dunlops were terrible as they broke traction very easily but at the same time they were very predictable. I then went to a set of BFG R1's and they stuck like glue. It was amazing. But when they broke traction it was quite violent and you really needed to be ready for it. I wasn't and I ended up off of the track at 65 plus in Turn 2 at Thunderhill Raceway. If you remember my old story I broke a steering box, a Libra wheel, brake drum and ripped out the hangers for my exhaust system. Two different tires. Two different personalities. I thought the Dunlops were fantastic for learning on. The Roadster never did chop up the tires. After two track days the tires looked no different then when I started. I now run on a set of the Yokohama A023 R's and they are also wonderful. They break alittle better then the R1's but I still have to watch out at the limit. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=41965&Auth=False Michael "Calspeed" Carion BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 11:00:46 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "'Pam & Paul Bauman'" , Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:02:24 -0500 Subject: RE: pipes and hoses Paul - I got tired of boiling gas as a hobby. So, I took the fuel line that runs between the thermostat housing and valve cover out and put a line in that runs from the filter to the top support in front of the radiator (inside the channel) then behind the overflow tank. From there I teed off to each carburetor. I used good fuel line hose and wrapped it with stainless braid. Fuel now stays cool. Water line over the intake? I thought it was under the intake manifold connected to the heat shield. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Pam & Paul Bauman [SMTP:plhbauman@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 12:31 AM To: Roadster List Subject: pipes and hoses Doing the plumbing work on the engine bay and ran into a few things that got me scratching my head. First is the metal fuel line running around the front of the engine. Anyone help me out as to exactly how it goes on? I can see a couple of possibilities, but I know only one is correct. Given that it is carrying highly flammable materials, I would like to get it right! Also, after several frustrating days of searching in the garage, I found the metal water line that runs over the top of the intake manifold. Problem is, it is rather chewed up on the ends. I need to know what the silly thing looked like when new so I can reproduce it. Thanks Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 11:01:25 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Mick T , Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Towing a car for the first time --- Mick T wrote: > Hi all, > In a few weeks, I'll be towing a Roadster home. Mick, I can't advise on the tow, but in the area of registering your new roadster, I'm an expert! Roman __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 11:06:59 2000 From: Roman Rist To: bob_wilson@agilent.com, datsun roadsters Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Tom Prather's '69 2000 --- bob_wilson@agilent.com wrote: > Roman, and list, > > I noticed Tom Prather's '69 2000 in Roman's pictures. Is Tom on our > list? Yup! > I wondered what kind of wheels are on his red 2000. Don't Know __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 11:13:58 2000 From: shifty To: roadsters Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:09:30 -0700 Subject: Re: pipes and hoses How hard is it to bend your own brake lines? The brake lines on my 1500 look like they were mangled by a gorilla. I have to replace the master cylinder and the only thing I can get is from a 411, with the connections on the other side, so I will have to bend the current lines anyway. I'd also like to make new hard fuel lines from the fuel pump to the carbs, and new overflow tubes. Eastwood has a set of brake line bending tools, has anyone used them? Leigh Brooks BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 11:14:11 2000 From: Ken Pearce To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:28:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: Towing a car for the first time... Just a few words of wisdom on towing from my cross-country experience last month. If you use ratchet straps, make sure that the straps are not chaffing against anything. Halfway through my first night of towing my roadster on a flatbed, I noticed one of the nylon ratchet straps had been cut and two more were starting to come apart because they were rubbing against the trailer rail. I repositioned the straps so that they couldn't chaffe AND I added CHAINS with turnbuckles in addition to the straps. My trailer/truck combo was stable up to about 65mph, over that and things would get squirrelly. Keep the speed reasonable, check the straps often the first few hundred miles, and you should be fine. Ken Pearce, 68-2000 Vancouver, BC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 11:18:45 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: shifty Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:18:16 -0500 Subject: Re: pipes and hoses Bending the lines is not the problem, it is the double flairs on the ends of the lines. If these flairs are not done correctly they can leak or blow out when the breaks are applied. Personally, I don't want to trust my life to flares that I have done! It may be possible to buy straight sections of brake line fron the dealer that can be bent to fit correctly. Bending the lines isn't difficult, just practice on what remains of your old lines before working with your new lines. Peace, Pat -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 11:48:43 2000 From: cbreaul@banet.net To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:47:19 -0400 Subject: Small World/The Glen On the way home from the Glen last Sunday we stopped at a rest area on the NY State Thruway. A gentleman approched us and stated that he had a 2000 in his younger days when he was down in Texas. He also stated the vin as SRL311-00005. I seem to remember(but I could be wrong as we were drinking), Les Cannaday saying that number 5 had just been redone and shipped out. Just another one of the numerous "I had one of those when I was kid " stories. You would think there was a million of these cars by the numer of times we've run into previous owners. Charlie Breault 69 1600 Bay State Nissan From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 11:56:31 2000 From: Geegc@aol.com To: horne@cs.utexas.edu, shifty@best.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:52:42 EDT Subject: Re: pipes and hoses In 1967 on a trip from NY to California in the Roadster I screwed up the brake lines on my 1966 1600 between Chicago and St. Louis, on a Sunday, and drove into East St. Louis with the handbrake only. I went to a guy at a parts store Monday. He laughed at me when I asked about a Datsun brake line, but when I showed him the parts, he said it was from a Chevy. The Chevy brake lines in his stock matched up with only a little bending, and of course had the right double flares. The threads on the early 1600 were SAE. Good luck. Gary C 1966 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 12:02:06 2000 From: "Dan Zubkoff" To: shifty@best.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:00:56 GMT Subject: Re: pipes and hoses Leigh, Dean at Fairlady Products carries new SPL310 Master Cylinders. I also may have an old rebuildable unit, if needed. Dan Zubkoff San Mateo, CA 1966 SPL311 1966 CSP311 >From: shifty >Reply-To: shifty >To: roadsters >Subject: Re: pipes and hoses >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:09:30 -0700 > >How hard is it to bend your own brake lines? The brake lines on my 1500 >look >like they were mangled by a gorilla. I have to replace the master cylinder >and the only thing I can get is from a 411, with the connections on the >other side, so I will have to bend the current lines anyway. I'd also like >to make new hard fuel lines from the fuel pump to the carbs, and new >overflow tubes. > >Eastwood has a set of brake line bending tools, has anyone used them? > >Leigh Brooks >BADROC > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 12:02:10 2000 From: "Mick T" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:00:53 GMT Subject: Re: Towing a car for the first time - Thank you Thank you everyone. Looks like I need to buy a few things, but better safe, than sorry. Thanks again. -Mick- _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 12:03:38 2000 From: wrichter@electroglas.com To: horne@cs.utexas.edu, shifty@best.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:03:24 -0700 Subject: RE: pipes and hoses Done it with my Formula Ford, clutch and brakes. I used the Harbor Freight tool (cheaper), you can buy the AN tube nuts and inserts at any racing supply store (like Frey) if you want to switch to AN. Straight tubing w/ fittings in different lengths can be bought at Pep Boys, etc... which might work as is. If you don't like how the flare came out cut it off and try again. Wayne > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick J. Horne [SMTP:horne@cs.utexas.edu] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:18 AM > To: shifty > Cc: roadsters > Subject: Re: pipes and hoses > > Bending the lines is not the problem, it is the double flairs on the > ends of the lines. If these flairs are not done correctly they can > leak or blow out when the breaks are applied. Personally, I don't > want to trust my life to flares that I have done! It may be > possible to buy straight sections of brake line fron the dealer > that can be bent to fit correctly. Bending the lines isn't > difficult, just practice on what remains of your old lines before > working with your new lines. > > Peace, > Pat > > -- > - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - > Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner > CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA > voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 12:35:12 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:34:19 -0700 Subject: Okay, okay - I goofed already Several people have pointed out that I lied when I said: > - SU carbs? Not on a factory original 67.5 2000! US Cars didn't necessarily get the solex package. Guess we like our low speed twisties more than high speed straightaways :-) But I will stand behind that a 67.5 ain't no high-screen car! :-) -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 12:41:22 2000 From: "Damian Hall" To: , Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:44:51 -0300 Subject: Re: pipes and hoses You can get a very nice pipe bender from 'RIGID' and your local Snap-On truck will have a very similar tool. $60-$100 @ (Canadian) Make sure that you buy the correct size for your line. 3/16 inch I cannot comment on the Eastwood bender. As far as making your own SAE type double-lap flares you can buy a flaring kit at the same time. Buy one piece of ready made line, and following the directions, practice until they look the same. Buy a few extra flaring adapters as you will break some. Also DO NOT use a tubing cutter. Use a fine hack-saw blade and make sure that your cut is perfectly square. Also, BLOW out the line before you make the flare so that no metal shavings end up in your brake system. Out here in Nova Scotia, we regularly replace rotten fuel and brake lines on cars beginning at about 6 years old., depending on the vehicle. We also regularly replace rotten oil pans and gas tanks. (same age) I have even had cars with an oil leak complaint and it turned out to be a rusted oil filter. I teach my students that if the car/truck is 3 years or older, assume that any fastener or bleeder screw IS seized, and take the appropriate cautions. Have fun...it really is not that difficult. Damian 69 2000 Damian Hall Motor Vehicle Repair-Mechanical Faculty NSCC-Pictou Campus Stellarton NS (902)752-2002 halljd@pictou.nscc.ns.ca >>> shifty 09/14/00 02:09PM >>> How hard is it to bend your own brake lines? Eastwood has a set of brake line bending tools, has anyone used them? Leigh Brooks BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 13:39:09 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: Douglas.E.Noble@parsons.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:38:14 EDT Subject: Re: Rare Datsun Engine Trivia (+ Competition Time!) In a message dated 9/14/00 7:00:02 PM GMT Daylight Time, Douglas.E.Noble@parsons.com writes: << Alan and Rob, I have a interesting Datsun engine trivia question that began as a conversation last night at the local Z club meeting. And since you two gentlemen seem to be some of the more knowledge folks about things Datsun old, rare, and obscure.... On Rob's website there is a photo of the 6 cylinder roadster prototype at a Japanese race. Here's the question(s) what was the engine in that car? And, was it the same engine that Datsun used in the Fairlady Z 432 (designated S20, 2.0L, 4 valve, 3 Mikuni Solex, dohc, 6 cyl. engine)? If so, was it used in any other application? What were its specs? The Z guys seemed to think that the 432 block was an L24 block with a different bore and stroke(?). Something to keep your minds active going into the weekend. Take care, >> Hi Doug Thanks for the enquiry. Hope the following helps. I've copied this into the Roadster List because this little known 1966 2000 S Roadster was a special car. The engine in the Fairlady 2000 S Roadster was a Nissan prototype, and the car was probably the first Datsun/Nissan car with an OHC Unit. The engine was known as the UY unit and was a 6 cylinder, 12 spark plug, twin distributor unit - the car stormed the qualifying of the 1966 Japanese GP although she did not last the race. There is a surviving unit with some parts missing owned by a member of the Japanese SROC (although the car is believed scrapped by Nissan - shame). It had Nissan stamped on both cam covers - I have a few contemporary pics of this car which was a real neat affair, with a streamlined underside, radiused rear arches, Watanabes and some really neat features. Les, fancy building a replica?? Although the 2000 S engine was the forerunner to Nissan's OHC technology it was not related to the Z432 S20 Unit, which only had the 6 sparkers and which was taken from the first Skyline GT-R. The Z432 was advertised as a Z with a Skyline engine in Japan. The S Series engine of the Z432 was not the same block as the Z's L Series block, although there were similarities. The L Series engine of the 240Z was derived from an engine used in the 1968 Skyline C-10, whereas the GT-R's S Series engine was derived from the Prince GR-8 engine used in the Nissan R380-II race cars. (They were both derived from Prince technology from the Mercedes-Prince license agreement). (I could go on and on - somebody shoot me). Sorry if that's bored the pants off everyone but there's a lot of rubbish written about the S20 unit which in Japan is still worshipped by tuners and classic car enthusiasts alike. I nearly imported a Z432 (as well as a Silvia) a few years ago, but I lost my job - twice - REAL shame. Competition time - only a small one - coincidentally I have 5 cool UK model Skyline GT-R 34 brochures to give away to the first 5 correct answers advising the URL on the website of a pic showing the Fairlady 2000 S Roadster - hint, use 'exact match' on the Search Engine! Doug, if you need any further info let me know. Regards Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 13:41:50 2000 From: "Dan Zubkoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:41:25 GMT Subject: Roadster Sighting - Redwood City, CA USA Over the past few months, I passed by a very nice looking roadster with Black paint and a red interior with Chrome Spoke wheels. If you are driving south on the 101 freeway, the car is viewable from the freeway through a chain-link fence just south of Woodside Road. The car is parked parallel to the rear of the building. I believe the company it is parked is called Globalware. Does this car belong to anyone on the list!!! It looks really nice. Dan Zubkoff San Mateo, CA 66 SPL311 66 CSP311 _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 13:46:19 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: shifty@best.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:45:51 EDT Subject: Re: pipes and hoses I have used the same tools (sourced from Napa at a MUCH cheaper price) and the resulting line looks as good as a factory line. There were some things that I had to learn, but it was not difficult at all. The line is cheap enough that if you screw one up, you have only messed up 2-3 dollars. Sid >From: shifty >Reply-To: shifty >To: roadsters >Subject: Re: pipes and hoses >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:09:30 -0700 > >How hard is it to bend your own brake lines? The brake lines on my 1500 >look >like they were mangled by a gorilla. I have to replace the master cylinder >and the only thing I can get is from a 411, with the connections on the >other side, so I will have to bend the current lines anyway. I'd also like >to make new hard fuel lines from the fuel pump to the carbs, and new >overflow tubes. > >Eastwood has a set of brake line bending tools, has anyone used them? > >Leigh Brooks >BADROC > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 13:56:41 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: datsun65@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:54:42 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster Sighting - Redwood City, CA USA In a message dated 9/14/00 7:43:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!, datsun65@hotmail.com writes: << Does this car belong to anyone on the list!!! It looks really nice. >> HEllo, Yes, this car is very nice. He appeared at the Fairladys at the Beach show this past April in San Francisco. It is a 1600 and the car is very very customed. I dont think he was interested in attending any BADROC events. Unfortunate... Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 15:56:53 2000 From: Stephan Sochoux To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Roadster Sighting - Redwood City, CA USA I've seen it as well! I also saw one parked at Santiago & 21st in SF. Stephan BADROC '69 2000 --- Dan Zubkoff wrote: > Over the past few months, I passed by a very nice > looking roadster with > Black paint and a red interior with Chrome Spoke > wheels. > > If you are driving south on the 101 freeway, the car > is viewable from the > freeway through a chain-link fence just south of > Woodside Road. The car is > parked parallel to the rear of the building. > > I believe the company it is parked is called > Globalware. > > Does this car belong to anyone on the list!!! It > looks really nice. > > Dan Zubkoff > San Mateo, CA > 66 SPL311 > 66 CSP311 > _________________________________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 16:23:33 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: photos __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 16:32:08 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: photos Hi folks, so, does anyone have any Idea what the hell happened to my Jay leno shots? I think there are a lot of closet musicians out there, cause my guitar album got more hits than my roadsters, got to admit my guitars are a little more done than my cars. As far as the registry goes, I have gotten some GREAT shots of your cars!!! some of these cars are awesome! Keep them coming. jpegs only, please. BTW can the Socal boys send new pics for the registry, as you may have seen, mine turned out lousy! Thanks everyone! Roman ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 16:35:46 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:33:16 +0200 Subject: Re: Rare Datsun Engine Trivia (+ Competition Time!) I think Alan told me the S20 and Prince G7 engines are the same except for the 4-valve head. It's also a heavyweight lump compared to the L6 type. Just like any Mercedes engine. The UY engine wasn't from the same family. I will let Alan straighten out this one. If the engine is heavier than 400 lbs, I'm not interested. Thomas in Sweden RoadsteRob@aol.com wrote: > > > The engine in the Fairlady 2000 S Roadster was a Nissan prototype, and the > car was probably the first Datsun/Nissan car with an OHC Unit. The engine was > known as the UY unit and was a 6 cylinder, 12 spark plug, twin distributor > unit - the car stormed the qualifying of the 1966 Japanese GP although she > did not last the race. There is a surviving unit with some parts missing > owned by a member of the Japanese SROC (although the car is believed scrapped > by Nissan - shame). It had Nissan stamped on both cam covers - I have a few > contemporary pics of this car which was a real neat affair, with a > streamlined underside, radiused rear arches, Watanabes and some really neat > features. > > Les, fancy building a replica?? > > Although the 2000 S engine was the forerunner to Nissan's OHC technology it > was not related to the Z432 S20 Unit, which only had the 6 sparkers and which > was taken from the first Skyline GT-R. The Z432 was advertised as a Z with a > Skyline engine in Japan. The S Series engine of the Z432 was not the same > block as the Z's L Series block, although there were similarities. The L > Series engine of the 240Z was derived from an engine used in the 1968 Skyline > C-10, whereas the GT-R's S Series engine was derived from the Prince GR-8 > engine used in the Nissan R380-II race cars. (They were both derived from > Prince technology from the Mercedes-Prince license agreement). (I could go on > and on - somebody shoot me). > > Sorry if that's bored the pants off everyone but there's a lot of rubbish > written about the S20 unit which in Japan is still worshipped by tuners and > classic car enthusiasts alike. I nearly imported a Z432 (as well as a Silvia) > a few years ago, but I lost my job - twice - REAL shame. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 17:03:48 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:02:05 GMT Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? Yes, but I made an error The Barina was $10500 Australian The Datsun was $11800 Australian Still, they cost the same in repayments 8^) (shopping around helps!) >From: "datsunmike" >To: "Stephen McCartney" >Subject: Re: Opinions wanted. 67.5 2L value? >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:57:30 -0400 > >Steve, > >Are those Aussie $s? > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 17:22:04 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "ken ogi" , Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:16:16 -0400 Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? Ken, I have used Bill Hirsh's Miracle Paint for a number of years and found it to be great. It holds up better than powder coating on many items and it does stop rust when applied correctly. It comes in black, silver (which should be used as a sealer under the black) and clear. I have used it on rads, oil pans, thermo housing, suspension parts and the floor and frame. Check it out. 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: ken ogi To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 12:08 PM Subject: rust proof paint??? > hello list > i took my roadster apart and found more than my share of rust and some > rots. > i used rust mort and then coated it with epoxy primer + sealer... i > thought this will virtually stop the rust from spreading. well > "virtually" is the right word because i still have areas where the rust > has bled through. now i'm looking at a paint called POR-15. > has anyone ever used this stuff? does it work? > any input would be grateful :) > > thanks > ken 67.5 1600 rust-bucket > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 17:29:39 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Patrick J. Horne" , "shifty" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:24:25 -0400 Subject: Re: pipes and hoses I have double flared all my own lines and never had a problem. Take your time read the instructions and the job will be done right. Leave a little extra line in case you screw up. I talked to a resto pro several years ago and he recommended, if you don't have the original lines, to make a pattern out of wire hangers or other heavy wire. Mark the center of the bends on the new line and use a good tube bender. I taped the unbent line to the old line and followed the pattern carefully although in certain instances I did not like how the original lines were run and made my own routing, especially on the front drivers side where the lines were too close for my taste to the header. Mike BTW, I got my tubing from JC Whitney and the fittings from a plumbing house. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick J. Horne To: shifty Cc: roadsters Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Re: pipes and hoses > Bending the lines is not the problem, it is the double flairs on the > ends of the lines. If these flairs are not done correctly they can > leak or blow out when the breaks are applied. Personally, I don't > want to trust my life to flares that I have done! It may be > possible to buy straight sections of brake line fron the dealer > that can be bent to fit correctly. Bending the lines isn't > difficult, just practice on what remains of your old lines before > working with your new lines. > > Peace, > Pat > > -- > - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - > Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner > CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA > voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 17:58:21 2000 From: "Ryan, Richard" To: "'Datsun Roadsters'" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:59:46 -0700 Subject: Wiring I am rewiring one of my other toys (Super 7). Does anyone have recommendations on what gage wire to use for the various applications? For example, what gage for lights? What gage for the fuel pump? What other circuits require heavier wire? I'm using welding cable for the main battery to starter lead. Has anyone used one of the pre-assembled (with fuses, switches, etc.) hot rod type wiring harnesses? Dick Ryan ex. 24022 (650)312-4022 Risk Management Dept. SM 2000/2 FAX (650)312-5830 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 18:25:34 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Ryan, Richard" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:20:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Wiring Rich, I bought a book on auto electrical systems and it covers all this: Automotive Electrical Handbook by Jim Horner printed by HPBooks ISBN 0-89586-238-7 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan, Richard To: 'Datsun Roadsters' Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 3:59 PM Subject: Wiring > I am rewiring one of my other toys (Super 7). Does anyone have > recommendations on what gage wire to use for the various applications? > > For example, what gage for lights? What gage for the fuel pump? What other > circuits require heavier wire? I'm using welding cable for the main battery > to starter lead. > > Has anyone used one of the pre-assembled (with fuses, switches, etc.) hot > rod type wiring harnesses? > > Dick Ryan ex. 24022 > (650)312-4022 > Risk Management Dept. > SM 2000/2 > FAX (650)312-5830 > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 18:29:44 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:25:05 -0400 Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? > > Bill Hirsch sells it directly. His tel no. is 1-800-828-2061 or > www.hirschauto.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:11 PM Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? > Where do you find it? > > Gary C From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 22:19:30 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: Roadster List Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:24:27 -0700 Subject: Solo II Nationals Well, after the first day's running for CSP, it doesn't look real promising for the Datsun roadsters. Elliott Harvey is currently in 14th with a best of 57.300, about 2.3 sec out of 1st place. His brother Bill is 20th with a 58.028. Steve Nelson of Albuquerque is 27th with a 61.621 and Terry Cost is 29th with a 62.672. They'll run the other course tomorrow and combine the times. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 14 22:29:26 2000 From: "katman" To: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:28:32 -0700 Subject: Pacific Coast Fog Fest Hi, If you already saw this, sorry. Sixth send over the last week, somehow some of my home email is not making it to the list. Please, someone tell me if you're seeing this. The annual Pacific Coast Fog Fest classic car show is coming up on September 23rd and 24th. Some BADROC members will be there on Saturday the 23rd, among the many pre 1970 era cars. Most of the cars are Detroit metal and are beautiful to gawk at. Besides the car show and parade, there is a craft fair, food booths, and street entertainment. If you're in the SF Bay Area that weekend and want to show your car, contact Eve Patton in the evenings at (650) 359-2246. Cost for the two day event is $20 and includes T-shirt, morning refreshments and goodie bag. If you're in the Bay Area and can't show your car, come on over to Pacifica (just south of San Francisco on the Pacific Coast) and check out the show! Fred Katz - So.SF, CA BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 00:26:41 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: glasgow@serv.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:07:11 GMT Subject: Re: Solo II Nationals Hi Gordon, For us out in other parts of the world, what kind of comp. is this? Track, motorkhana (which, I think you call autocross - is that right?)? Is there a site that I can have a look at. It'd be nice to see some roadsters in action. Thanks, Steve ('68 2000) >From: Gordon Glasgow >Reply-To: Gordon Glasgow >To: Roadster List >Subject: Solo II Nationals >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:24:27 -0700 > >Well, after the first day's running for CSP, it doesn't look real promising >for the Datsun >roadsters. Elliott Harvey is currently in 14th with a best of 57.300, about >2.3 sec out of 1st >place. His brother Bill is 20th with a 58.028. Steve Nelson of Albuquerque >is 27th with a 61.621 and >Terry Cost is 29th with a 62.672. They'll run the other course tomorrow and >combine the times. > >-- >Gordon Glasgow >http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 00:46:11 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: Stephen McCartney Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:48:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Solo II Nationals Stephen and List, Here is the link to the SCCA Solo Championships in Kansas. To see how the Roadsters are doing click on Thursday/Friday CSP under the results frame. Mike Nowroc Heading for the Emerald city and the SOVREN historic races. Stephen McCartney wrote: > Hi Gordon, > > For us out in other parts of the world, what kind of comp. is this? > Track, motorkhana (which, I think you call autocross - is that right?)? > Is there a site that I can have a look at. It'd be nice to see some > roadsters in action. > > Thanks, > > Steve > ('68 2000) > > >From: Gordon Glasgow > >Reply-To: Gordon Glasgow > >To: Roadster List > >Subject: Solo II Nationals > >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:24:27 -0700 > > > >Well, after the first day's running for CSP, it doesn't look real promising > >for the Datsun > >roadsters. Elliott Harvey is currently in 14th with a best of 57.300, about > >2.3 sec out of 1st > >place. His brother Bill is 20th with a 58.028. Steve Nelson of Albuquerque > >is 27th with a 61.621 and > >Terry Cost is 29th with a 62.672. They'll run the other course tomorrow and > >combine the times. > > > >-- > >Gordon Glasgow > >http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 06:40:34 2000 From: Don Miller To: "Ryan, Richard" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiring My previous race car ( very slow and no style) I used a Painless Wiring Harness. Excellent product in my opinion. I won't build from scratch any more unles absolutely necessary. Don Miller 69 Turbo V-6 Meridian, ID --- "Ryan, Richard" wrote: > I am rewiring one of my other toys (Super 7). Does > anyone have > recommendations on what gage wire to use for the > various applications? > > For example, what gage for lights? What gage for > the fuel pump? What other > circuits require heavier wire? I'm using welding > cable for the main battery > to starter lead. > > Has anyone used one of the pre-assembled (with > fuses, switches, etc.) hot > rod type wiring harnesses? > > Dick Ryan ex. 24022 > (650)312-4022 > Risk Management Dept. > SM 2000/2 > FAX (650)312-5830 > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 07:45:42 2000 From: Mark Dent To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:42:29 -0400 Subject: V8 conversion I got this from my page: Reply to him not me please Comments: i just received 3 complete roadsters from my cousin... he lost his lease. i want to put a ford v8 / 4 speed into one of them, i have seen it done years ago.... is their anyone you could put me in contact with that has done this conversion ? thx, anders Name: anders ver andersson Email: vlakplaas@msn.com Mark Baltimore 1968 1600 http://www.datsunroadsters.com http://www.roadster.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 07:53:08 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: Stephen McCartney Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:55:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Solo II Nationals Whoops ! I forgot the link to the web site. http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/index.html It was late, and I had brain damage :-) Mike Mike Poorboy wrote: > Stephen and List, > Here is the link to the SCCA Solo Championships in Kansas. > To see how the Roadsters are doing click on Thursday/Friday > CSP under the results frame. > > Mike > Nowroc > Heading for the Emerald city and the SOVREN historic races. > > Stephen McCartney wrote: > > > Hi Gordon, > > > > For us out in other parts of the world, what kind of comp. is this? > > Track, motorkhana (which, I think you call autocross - is that right?)? > > Is there a site that I can have a look at. It'd be nice to see some > > roadsters in action. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > ('68 2000) > > > > >From: Gordon Glasgow > > >Reply-To: Gordon Glasgow > > >To: Roadster List > > >Subject: Solo II Nationals > > >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:24:27 -0700 > > > > > >Well, after the first day's running for CSP, it doesn't look real promising > > >for the Datsun > > >roadsters. Elliott Harvey is currently in 14th with a best of 57.300, about > > >2.3 sec out of 1st > > >place. His brother Bill is 20th with a 58.028. Steve Nelson of Albuquerque > > >is 27th with a 61.621 and > > >Terry Cost is 29th with a 62.672. They'll run the other course tomorrow and > > >combine the times. > > > > > >-- > > >Gordon Glasgow > > >http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 08:26:02 2000 From: "Robert Morrow" To: "Roadster List (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:23:16 -0400 Subject: Exhaust question Good morning all; The opening ceremonies for the Olympics were spectacular. Thank you Canadian TV. Can anyone please enlighten me as to the size of the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe on my '68 2000. Thanks Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 08:31:19 2000 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:31:05 -0500 Subject: Fuel Pump Question I put new gas lines in and relocated my electric fuel pump to the rear of the car. Got everything tightened up, poured two gallons of gas in the tank, and nothing. No gas is being pumped. My question is - do you have to prime the pump somehow in order to get the flow going? Or do I just need to put in more gas? Anything else you can think of? Thanks - anxious to get on the road after 4 weeks :) It is supposed to be a beautiful weekend! Chris Brucciani Marietta, GA 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 08:32:16 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "ken ogi" , Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:37:03 -0500 Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? ken ogi wrote >hello list >i took my roadster apart and found more than my share of rust and some >rots. >i used rust mort and then coated it with epoxy primer + sealer... i >thought this will virtually stop the rust from spreading. well >"virtually" is the right word because i still have areas where the rust >has bled through. now i'm looking at a paint called POR-15. >has anyone ever used this stuff? does it work? >any input would be grateful :) > >thanks >ken 67.5 1600 rust-bucket > I'm looking ito these products too. An alternative to POR-15 is Eastwood's Corolless. I haven't used either, the main difference seems to be that Coroless is more UV stable. It's a red pimer color, so you'd be topcoating either one probably. There's info on Corroless on the Eastwood website: www.eastwoodco.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 08:48:33 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:47:24 +0200 Subject: Re: V8 conversion I just want to mention the 230 lbs weight increase for a small block Chevy vs the original Datsun engine. All on the front axle. A small block Ford is a few lbs lighter than the Chevy engine. For example if anyone want to go really wild, a big block Chevy would add 340 lbs. The handling could then be described as "just a little understeer" Thomas in Sweden Mark Dent wrote: > I got this from my page: Reply to him not me please > > Comments: i just received 3 complete roadsters from my cousin... he lost > his lease. i want to put a ford v8 / 4 speed into one of them, i have seen > it done years ago.... is their anyone you could put me in contact with that > has done this conversion ? > thx, > anders > Name: anders ver andersson > Email: vlakplaas@msn.com > Mark > Baltimore > 1968 1600 > http://www.datsunroadsters.com > http://www.roadster.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 08:56:20 2000 From: "Ofarrell, Fergus" To: "'roadster.netlist'" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:54:38 -0700 Subject: trailer tricks (maybe trailer trash) response to "trailering" <> I can't remember where I heard long ago that if ya wanna get all the chains straight and tight, let some air out of the tires, then tighten them as best you can, then drive by the local filling station and refill the tires, which will really tighten the chains. Just be careful, you can generate a whole heck of a lot of force this way (pneumatic jack). Also, the reason that chains 'relax' in the first 1/2 hour is that they bind up, during tightening, without the links in the fully extended position. Once you get some tension in the chains, whack it every foot or two with a pipe or broomstick and they'll settle, and 'relax' a lot less. And another suggestion, if you're tow vehicle is so high (or towable so low) that you can't see the back corners of the trailer when backing, stick a broom stick or flag or something in the right-rear corner when backing, so you can tell when the trailer goes whompus. The mirrors won't tell you in time unless you tow something every week. (mental remnants of growing up in California central valley, agriculture production and homemade trailers everywhere) Fergus O'Farrell 69 2000 Huntington Beach From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 08:57:56 2000 From: "Ryan, Richard" To: "'Robert Morrow'" , Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:59:36 -0700 Subject: RE: Exhaust question Glazed Raised Dick Ryan ex. 24022 (650)312-4022 Risk Management Dept. SM 2000/2 FAX (650)312-5830 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Morrow [mailto:bmorrow@horizon-health.org] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 7:23 AM To: Roadster List (E-mail) Subject: Exhaust question Can anyone please enlighten me as to the size of the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe on my '68 2000. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 09:17:05 2000 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:16:19 -0500 Subject: Chevy Fuel Injection A buddy of mine has a 1995 6 cylinder Chevy Blazer with 73,000 miles. Lately he has been noticing a hard start problem first thing in the morning. When he get's it cranked, white smoke plumes out. A little rough running at first, but once warmed up it runs fine. He took it to the dealer this morning and they told him that fuel is leaking into the cylinders due to a bad central port injector (or something like this). I gather that this thing controls fuel flow to the fuel injectors. The said that they have to take the intake off and it would be $1,200 to fix. They say that failure to fix it will lead to further deterioration and carbon buildup, and possible problems with the catalinic converter and passing emmision inspections. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Are there any other repair options? Thanks for your help. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 09:17:31 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Don Miller" , "Ryan, Richard" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:22:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Wiring Don Miller wrote >My previous race car ( very slow and no style) I used >a Painless Wiring Harness. Excellent product in my >opinion. I won't build from scratch any more unles >absolutely necessary. > >Don Miller >69 Turbo V-6 >Meridian, ID Where do we find out about these harnesses? I like the painless part ;-) Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 09:19:55 2000 From: "Brian St. Jacques" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:17:24 -0700 Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? I was researching some de-rusting options and found a product called Rust-X. Their claim is that it chemically reacts with the rust in several different ways and the end result turns the rust into a protective coating that is supposed to seal the metal from any further moisture contact. I got one bottle of the stuff and sprayed it on a few things. After about 20 minutes the rust turns into a semi glossy black finish. Supposedly this can be painted over or simply left alone. So far it seems to do what it says it will, but the proof will come in time. At 07:37 AM 9/15/2000, Marc Tyler wrote: >ken ogi wrote > > >hello list > >i took my roadster apart and found more than my share of rust and some > >rots. > >i used rust mort and then coated it with epoxy primer + sealer... i > >thought this will virtually stop the rust from spreading. well > >"virtually" is the right word because i still have areas where the rust > >has bled through. now i'm looking at a paint called POR-15. > >has anyone ever used this stuff? does it work? > >any input would be grateful :) > > > >thanks > >ken 67.5 1600 rust-bucket > > > > >I'm looking ito these products too. An alternative to POR-15 is >Eastwood's Corolless. I haven't used either, the main difference seems >to be that Coroless is more UV stable. It's a red pimer color, so you'd >be topcoating either one probably. There's info on Corroless on the >Eastwood website: > >www.eastwoodco.com Brian '68 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 09:45:49 2000 From: Ross To: datsun roadsters Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:54:01 -0700 Subject: datsuns and Olympics Dr. Tom Thompson(70 200 black with red interior) of Roseburg, Or is the proud father of Olympian Chris Thompson who qualified in the 1500 m as a swimmer. Chris was often seen accompanying his Dad at Shasta in his younger days. He's going for gold so make sure you cheer him on. His parents are in Sydney to support him. -- Ross Mullen SPORTS IMPORTS - your Datsun Roadster Parts House Phone: (604) 538-5615 FAX: 535-3538 Web site: http://home.istar.ca/~datsun From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 09:45:49 2000 From: "Mitch Planck" To: "'Marc Tyler'" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:45:50 -0400 Subject: RE: Wiring The name I like for these type products is itstitts at http://www.itstitts.com. I have no real knowledge of the product but their web site makes it look good and they even have music video you can download about their products. -Mitch '69 1600 -----Original Message----- Where do we find out about these harnesses? I like the painless part ;-) Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 10:01:53 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:04:18 -0700 Subject: Seattle Fall Finale I am heading over to Seattle this weekend. The SOVREN Fall Finale historic races are at SIR this weekend. If any of you want to meet up with us we will be at the fence by the start finish line at 10:00 on Sunday morning. Craig Carter will be up from California, and I told him I would meet him there. Mike Nowroc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 10:09:38 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:07:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Chevy Fuel Injection Many cars have an extra injector in the intake somewhere that acts somewhat like a choke. If this extra injector goes bad you might get symptoms like hard starting and fuel leakage, although not much fuel could leak without the pump running. I would suggest pouring a can of Chemtool in the tank and hoping that the injector cures itself. Make sure you have pleanty of gas in there. I poured a whole can in a motorcycle tank with three gallons of gas. It sure did clean it well. It even cleaned the electrodes off the sparkplugs. Andy > A buddy of mine has a 1995 6 cylinder Chevy Blazer with 73,000 miles. > Lately he has been noticing a hard start problem first thing in the morning. > When he get's it cranked, white smoke plumes out. A little rough running at > first, but once warmed up it runs fine. He took it to the dealer this > morning and they told him that fuel is leaking into the cylinders due to a > bad central port injector (or something like this). I gather that this > thing controls fuel flow to the fuel injectors. The said that they have to > take the intake off and it would be $1,200 to fix. They say that failure to > fix it will lead to further deterioration and carbon buildup, and possible > problems with the catalinic converter and passing emmision inspections. > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? Are there any other repair options? > Thanks for your help. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 10:16:07 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: change of address Hi folks! I'm getting so much traffic with the registry, I need to separate my work from my roadster mail. My new adress is: Roman Rist roadsterregistry2000@yahoo.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 10:47:22 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: csp311@telia.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:46:53 EDT Subject: Re: V8 conversion A dressed small block ford with iron exhausts weighs in at 450 lbs. With tube headers, alloy heads and intake and an alloy waterpump, more than 100lbs can be shaved off. Add to this the fact that the ford is MUCH narrower than the chevy and it seems to be a better candidate for the conversion imho. Sid >From: Thomas >Reply-To: Thomas >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: V8 conversion >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:47:24 +0200 > >I just want to mention the 230 lbs weight increase for a >small block Chevy vs the original Datsun engine. All on the >front axle. A small block Ford is a few lbs lighter than the >Chevy engine. For example if anyone want to go really wild, >a big block Chevy would add 340 lbs. The handling could then >be described as "just a little understeer" > > >Thomas >in Sweden > > >Mark Dent wrote: > > > I got this from my page: Reply to him not me please > > > > Comments: i just received 3 complete roadsters from my cousin... he lost > > his lease. i want to put a ford v8 / 4 speed into one of them, i have >seen > > it done years ago.... is their anyone you could put me in contact with >that > > has done this conversion ? > > thx, > > anders > > Name: anders ver andersson > > Email: vlakplaas@msn.com > > Mark > > Baltimore > > 1968 1600 > > http://www.datsunroadsters.com > > http://www.roadster.org > > > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 10:49:31 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: ken ogi Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:48:33 -0700 Subject: RE: rust proof paint??? Ken, I've used POR-15 and it's a good product. It may be the toughest paint I've ever seen. Here are some tips. Buy many cheap foam brushes. you do not want to use anything you would want to clean afterward. Buy some Nitrle gloves and USE THEM! Once on your skin, POR 15 WILL remain there until that skin is refreshed. no amount of washing will suffice. Prepare your surface. get as much rust off as a wire brush can. Then Wash! Strong detergent degreaser with a stiff brush. After the initial wash, if you use a prep material such as sold by Eastwood, all the better. I like these acid based products that leave a Zinc Phosphate coating behind. They do a great job removing the remaining rust and leave the surface ready for coating and won't allow a flash rust to form while the work is drying. The work must be completely dry before painting so do your prep work a day before, dry with towels and let air dry completely. POR-15 goes on with one stroke only, do not go over again. If you put down nice single strokes you'll have a great finish. If you go over an area again, you'll have a mess. It takes 2 days at least for POR-15 to set up completely, I've never waited the entire time. Last engine pull I painted the forward frame, I dropped the engine in while the coating was still soft. Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 11:07:47 2000 From: "Ken Pearce" To: Mick T Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:09:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Towing a car for the first time Just a few words of wisdom on towing from my cross-country experience last month. If you use ratchet straps, make sure that the straps are not chaffing against anything. Halfway through my first night of towing my roadster on a flatbed, I noticed one of the nylon ratchet straps had been cut and two more were starting to come apart because they were rubbing against the trailer rail. I repositioned the straps so that they couldn't chaffe AND I added CHAINS with turnbuckles in addition to the straps. My trailer/truck combo was stable up to about 65mph, over that and things would get squirrelly. Keep the speed reasonable, check the straps often the first few hundred miles, and you should be fine. Ken Pearce, 68-2000 Vancouver, BC Mick T wrote: > > Hi all, > In a few weeks, I'll be towing a Roadster home. I've towed cars using a > tow dolly before, but this will be on a flatbed trailor. It will be about a > 2 hour drive. What are some of the things I need to do for safety? Do I need > wheel wedges? Do I need to strap it down to the trailor somehow? > > -Mick- > Oregon From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 11:21:01 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'Calvin Grandy'" , "Laury, Victor" , Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:20:10 -0700 Subject: RE: rust proof paint??? POR-15 is not a conversion coating and is not porous. POR-15 is a Cyanoacrylic (superglue) coating. But Calvin is right about rust converters, they are not really paint. -----Original Message----- From: Calvin Grandy [mailto:cmgfam@sover.net] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:14 AM To: Laury, Victor; ken ogi Cc: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? The conversion coatings, such as POR, must be overcoated with a sealing top coat. These films are very porous and perform badly in damp areas. Disregard this warning is you live in Yuma! Oh! how I hate those foam brushes on anything rough, like rusted frames! Regards Calvin Grandy Rusty Vermont > > Ken, > I've used POR-15 and it's a good product. It may be the toughest paint I've > ever seen. Here are some tips. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 11:59:53 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:56:32 +0200 Subject: Re: V8 conversion I know the Ford Windsor V8 is lighter and narrower than the Chevy smallblock but is it as much as 220 lbs? For those with the unlimited budget, a complete McLaren/BMW V12 is 477 lbs. A complete aluminium BMW V12 with 2-valve heads is 585 lbs. Otherwise Nissan list the first VG30ET engine complete at 431 lbs. The L28ET at 455 lbs. The R engine at 342 lbs. The aluminium Rover (Oldsmobile) 215" V8 is 355 lbs with 2 SU-carbs as it was used in the MGB that we (dont?) like so much on this list. Thomas in Sweden sidney raper wrote: > A dressed small block ford with iron exhausts weighs in at 450 lbs. With > tube headers, alloy heads and intake and an alloy waterpump, more than > 100lbs can be shaved off. Add to this the fact that the ford is MUCH > narrower than the chevy and it seems to be a better candidate for the > conversion imho. > > Sid > > >From: Thomas > >Reply-To: Thomas > >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: V8 conversion > >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:47:24 +0200 > > > >I just want to mention the 230 lbs weight increase for a > >small block Chevy vs the original Datsun engine. All on the > >front axle. A small block Ford is a few lbs lighter than the > >Chevy engine. For example if anyone want to go really wild, > >a big block Chevy would add 340 lbs. The handling could then > >be described as "just a little understeer" > > > > > >Thomas > >in Sweden > > > > > >Mark Dent wrote: > > > > > I got this from my page: Reply to him not me please > > > > > > Comments: i just received 3 complete roadsters from my cousin... he lost > > > his lease. i want to put a ford v8 / 4 speed into one of them, i have > >seen > > > it done years ago.... is their anyone you could put me in contact with > >that > > > has done this conversion ? > > > thx, > > > anders > > > Name: anders ver andersson > > > Email: vlakplaas@msn.com > > > Mark > > > Baltimore > > > 1968 1600 > > > http://www.datsunroadsters.com > > > http://www.roadster.org > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 12:05:46 2000 From: Joseph Roach To: "the posse":;, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:00:22 -0700 Subject: ZCSD cruise on Sept 10 report Its great to hear of the roadster clubs across the country getting more active. If you're like me and just like to get out and drive when ever possible, you might want to seek out any Z clubs in your area. For on Sunday, I went on my first drive with the Z club of SD for a great day of driving! I arrived at the meeting point early and the first fella I met was Dennis the president. He gave me a nice welcome and as more of the Z's arrived, I found that they were a real friendly bunch. For the event, there were eight Zs and my roadster. Two of the guys (John and Brian) came down from Orange Co/LA. The cast of characters: Dennis Darnall - 240Z "Z CRAZY" Cliff & Marcia Yaussi - red Z32 Darren Kirkpatrick - silver 86 Z31 Philip & Barbara Childs - white w/ rear wing Z32 Billy & Judy Cast - red Z31 Alan & Sue Andrews - white 72 w/ 82 turbo motor 240Z "AAHSUM Z" John & Barbara Williams - dark grey 78 280Z Brian (last name ?) - 240Z Joe Roach - red 65 1500 Fairlady The drive started from La Mesa. To begin, we gathered for an initial drivers meeting where maps were given out. Cliff volunteered to lead and Darren chose to bring up the rear. We then headed east to Crest and on up into the mountains. From there to Harbison Canyon, out Dehesa Rd, on to Japatul Rd, right onto Lyons Valley Rd, left on Honey Springs Rd to Otay Lakes Rd and then to the Olympic Training Center for the first stop. Orientation wise, this was a huge arc that bends east to south to west and took us to Otay Lake which isn't to far from the border. If you haven't been out this way, it is some of the most scenic landscape in San Diego. There were points that you could look out and see row upon row upon row of mountain ridges with its scrub-brushlike terrain. Yeah! Awesome! The roads were in nice shape with lots of slight turns and elevation changes which didn't allow for too much gazing as we clipped through at a quick pace. This was mostly 4th gear driving but with plenty of revving and backing off. There were a few stop signs along the way and Alan took the opportunity to lay some rubber once or twice. Taking off from one of the stops signs into a long straight, Brian pounced on it who was behind me, and I have to say, his car sounded mighty as it roared by me. A few of the guys had CB radios and it was cool to cruise with the front and rear staying in contact. Along the way I was noticing a super biker or two behind the rear car and then a few more. We didn't hold them up for very long as there was a coordinated move (ala CBs) by our pack to let the bikers by. The backroads must not see too much car traffic for along the route were a lot of bicyclists too. The Olympic Training center was a nice stopping point. Interesting stuff to see such as the gift shop and scenic grounds. And, the air-conditioned facility was a pleasant hiatus from the warm weather driving! I enjoyed the chance to talk with and get to know my new friends. I did get some comments that my car was pretty quick and looked good gleaming down the road. Before leaving, we had a great photo shot where we lined up the cars in front of the center with the big olympic rings and USA in the background. I can't wait to see it and will let you know when it gets posted to the ZCSD web site. From the center, we then headed east to Imperial Beach and then took the strand up to Coronado. This is another very scenic drive looking across the bay at downtown San Diego. We had lunch at a Mexican restaurant and then a stroll by the ferry landing before everyone departed. It was a great day of driving and taking in some of the best sights that San Diego has to offer! I'm looking forward to joining these guys again and another drive with ZCSD! Joseph Roach 65 1500 San Diego From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 12:23:37 2000 From: "eugene kay" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:22:16 GMT Subject: archived email by Mike Bell: hardtop weatherstrip Hi Mike Bell and all on list: I saw your helpful email regarding hardtop weatherstripping in the archives dated 3/30/97. I should have chk'd there first before checking w/ almost all weatherstrip venders on the internet. I'm restoring a fiberglass hardtop for a tall windshield car made by Custom Hardtops of LongBeach, CA.. I think like yours. I was wondering if you have a part # for the 'black vinyl windlace, p.63 @ $1.25 per foot'. In your email you list part #'s for the other two weatherstrips you used from Restoration Specialties. Do you have any other comments since restoring your top? Thx again for your input. Eugene KAy '69 2000 '67 2000 _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 12:36:30 2000 From: wrichter@electroglas.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:35:31 -0700 Subject: RE: V8 conversion All of this talk of swapping motors, what about the SR20DET? At 200Hp stock this could be a great power to weight drop in. And it's smaller than a small block. Has anyone done this in a roadster? Wayne > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas [SMTP:csp311@telia.com] > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:57 AM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: V8 conversion > > I know the Ford Windsor V8 is lighter and narrower than the > Chevy smallblock but is it as much as 220 lbs? For those with > the unlimited budget, a complete McLaren/BMW V12 is 477 lbs. > A complete aluminium BMW V12 with 2-valve heads is 585 lbs. > > Otherwise Nissan list the first VG30ET engine complete at > 431 lbs. The L28ET at 455 lbs. The R engine at 342 lbs. > > The aluminium Rover (Oldsmobile) 215" V8 is 355 lbs with > 2 SU-carbs as it was used in the MGB that we (dont?) > like so much on this list. > > Thomas > in Sweden > > sidney raper wrote: > > > A dressed small block ford with iron exhausts weighs in at 450 lbs. > With > > tube headers, alloy heads and intake and an alloy waterpump, more than > > 100lbs can be shaved off. Add to this the fact that the ford is MUCH > > narrower than the chevy and it seems to be a better candidate for the > > conversion imho. > > > > Sid > > > > >From: Thomas > > >Reply-To: Thomas > > >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > >Subject: Re: V8 conversion > > >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:47:24 +0200 > > > > > >I just want to mention the 230 lbs weight increase for a > > >small block Chevy vs the original Datsun engine. All on the > > >front axle. A small block Ford is a few lbs lighter than the > > >Chevy engine. For example if anyone want to go really wild, > > >a big block Chevy would add 340 lbs. The handling could then > > >be described as "just a little understeer" > > > > > > > > >Thomas > > >in Sweden > > > > > > > > >Mark Dent wrote: > > > > > > > I got this from my page: Reply to him not me please > > > > > > > > Comments: i just received 3 complete roadsters from my cousin... he > lost > > > > his lease. i want to put a ford v8 / 4 speed into one of them, i > have > > >seen > > > > it done years ago.... is their anyone you could put me in contact > with > > >that > > > > has done this conversion ? > > > > thx, > > > > anders > > > > Name: anders ver andersson > > > > Email: vlakplaas@msn.com > > > > Mark > > > > Baltimore > > > > 1968 1600 > > > > http://www.datsunroadsters.com > > > > http://www.roadster.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 12:49:06 2000 From: Alex Avery To: "Brian St. Jacques" , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:43:43 -0400 Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? Rust-X is only one of many brands of what is called a rust converter. Rust converters are usually based on tannins--which are plant derived. When fall leaves turn water black and brown in streams and swamps, it is from the tannins leached out of the leaves. Tannins are also used to "tan" leather hides. The tannins react with iron oxide (rust) and form a hard, non-porous, black compound. This seals off the rust to further oxidation. There needs to be some rust for the really hard surface to form--if you brush it onto bare metal, it just dries very slowly to a mild hardness and doesn't turn black. The most important thing to know is that rust converters have a limited shelf life--this is because tannins will react with air and contaminants in the converter mixture (and even other tannins). Never put used rust converter back in the bottle along with unused converter because the contaminants will eventually react with the whole bottle--causing all of it to harden. If the rust converter has been sitting around in a warehouse or on your garage shelf for a year, it won't be nearly as effective as a fresh batch--so try to buy it from a place that has good shelf turnover, or maybe even factory direct mail order and don't let it hang around your garage for too long. I think they work pretty good, especially on unseen areas. The surface finish can be a bit lumpy, but its sandable and all. I've put some on some rusty spots on my fathers Kubota farm tractor (top of the fenders, etc.), and even without a top coat of paint, the rust hasn't come back in 3 years. At 08:17 AM 9/15/00 -0700, Brian St. Jacques wrote: >I was researching some de-rusting options and found a product called >Rust-X. Their claim is that it chemically reacts with the rust in several >different ways and the end result turns the rust into a protective coating >that is supposed to seal the metal from any further moisture contact. > >I got one bottle of the stuff and sprayed it on a few things. After about >20 minutes the rust turns into a semi glossy black finish. Supposedly this >can be painted over or simply left alone. So far it seems to do what it >says it will, but the proof will come in time. > > >At 07:37 AM 9/15/2000, Marc Tyler wrote: >>ken ogi wrote >> >> >hello list >> >i took my roadster apart and found more than my share of rust and some >> >rots. >> >i used rust mort and then coated it with epoxy primer + sealer... i >> >thought this will virtually stop the rust from spreading. well >> >"virtually" is the right word because i still have areas where the rust >> >has bled through. now i'm looking at a paint called POR-15. >> >has anyone ever used this stuff? does it work? >> >any input would be grateful :) >> > >> >thanks >> >ken 67.5 1600 rust-bucket >> > >> >> >>I'm looking ito these products too. An alternative to POR-15 is >>Eastwood's Corolless. I haven't used either, the main difference seems >>to be that Coroless is more UV stable. It's a red pimer color, so you'd >>be topcoating either one probably. There's info on Corroless on the >>Eastwood website: >> >>www.eastwoodco.com > > >Brian '68 1600 > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 12:58:10 2000 From: Sexmnypwr@aol.com To: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:54:33 EDT Subject: Re: V8 conversion Actually, the Buick 215/Rover 3.5L aluminum block V8 is only 318lbs. I have one that's going into a '66 Roadster as we speak. Got it low enough to clear the hood without cutting (1" clearance from the top of the carb to the hood...i.e.custom air cleaner fabrication), but only have about 3" clearance on each side (super tight) for the exhaust and have to move the steering shaft too. Rover 5spd tranny is the perfect length and comes up just a little longer than the stock gearshift hole location. More as it gets closer to being driveable...going on a year now in development...sigh. Stan Wada From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 13:22:43 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:20:58 +0000 Subject: Re: V8 conversion I saw a guy at an autocross that had a second generation spitfire with a 289. It had webers with eight velocity stacks sticking up through the hood. The tires were 10 inches wide front and back. The car didn't handle worth a darn. It spun the tires, pushed the front, and spun out every time. It sure was fast in a straight line. I have a picture somewhere if anyone is interested. I too thought about putting a H.O.302 from a mustang in a roadster. From the measurements I took it appeared that it would fit with only small modifications. With enough aluminum parts the weight can be kept down. In fact you can purchase entire aluminum Ford and Chevy V8's. Of course that would not be as economical as pumping up a U20 which already has enough power to spin the tires at will. Andy Andy From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 13:33:27 2000 From: Gary Boone To: Datsun Roadsters Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:34:13 -0600 Subject: SCCA Solo 2 Nationals Results Hey roadsterites, The event has concluded today for CSP. It was rather disappointing to see that the final results show the Datsun roadsters did not fair so well in CSP. You can see for yourself at http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/results/page13.html Out of 30 drivers in the class, 5 time national class champion Elliott Harvey placed 17th; Bill Harvey 24th; Steve Nelson 27th; (Leisure Suit) Terry Cost 29th. Elliott Harvey was out of 1st place by about 4.5 seconds. I realize there are a lot of variables possible that could explain why he was so far behind 1st place, but I think there's a pattern here, considering how the other roadster drivers placed. IMHO, I think the Datsun roadster is no longer competitive in CSP at the national level. I'm considering a campaign directed at the SCCA Solo Board to have the roadster reclassified, as was done for many cars in Street Prepared for this past season. I have a local acquaintance (Bob Tunnell, formerly in CSP until he got the M3 reclassified to ESP for this season) who has clout with the SCCA Solo Board and can provide me details for the best approach. However, there is strength in numbers. So I'm interested in knowing if any of you lister autocrossers would provide your support in this campaign to the SCCA Solo Board. If your points are based on PAX's or similar factors, a reclassification will improve your points for your events. Please respond off list and I'll pursue it if there's enough support. TIA for your support, Gary Boone '70 2000 SCCA Solo 2 CSP From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 13:45:01 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: "Laury, Victor" , "ken ogi" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:13:33 -0400 Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? The conversion coatings, such as POR, must be overcoated with a sealing top coat. These films are very porous and perform badly in damp areas. Disregard this warning is you live in Yuma! Oh! how I hate those foam brushes on anything rough, like rusted frames! Regards Calvin Grandy Rusty Vermont > > Ken, > I've used POR-15 and it's a good product. It may be the toughest paint I've > ever seen. Here are some tips. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 13:59:44 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:57:00 EDT Subject: Re: Chevy Fuel Injection In a message dated 9/15/00 8:18:58 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com writes: > A buddy of mine has a 1995 6 cylinder Chevy Blazer with 73,000 miles. > Lately he has been noticing a hard start problem first thing in the morning. > When he get's it cranked, white smoke plumes out. A little rough running at > first, but once warmed up it runs fine. He took it to the dealer this > morning and they told him that fuel is leaking into the cylinders due to a > bad central port injector (or something like this). Extra fuel usually appears in the exhaust as BLACK smoke, not white. White is water/antifreeze & grey/blue is oil. > thing controls fuel flow to the fuel injectors. For 1995 assuming its PORT injection, there is no "central port injector" unless they are referring to an extra "cold start injector". It does not control any of the other inj, just adds extra fuel into the manifold (same as "choking" a car) You various sensors ( mass air flow or map, water temp, o2, etc) is what acutually control what the computer tells the injectors to do. >The said that they have to > take the intake off and it would be $1,200 to fix. Whole thing??? nuh-uh. Fuel rail & plenum maybe, unless something is broken off & needs machining out. They say that failure to > fix it will lead to further deterioration and carbon buildup, and possible > problems with the catalinic converter and passing emmision inspections. IF it is injector prob's - yes it can lead to failure. You cat. conv is not designed to have raw fuel in it, and will lead to eventual "clog-ation" I dunno, but I do believe a second opinion is in order here. Granted, they may have more info than we do here - ya can't really tell until ya get your hands on these things - BUT things just don't quite jive in this case. Icky running - most folks don't realize that the o2 sensor should be included in an annual tune up. it can throw the computer off resulting in a goofy mixture. Might wanna find out how long since its been changed. If you do decide to dump "snake oil" in it - the BEST stuff for frixing problems is by "BG Products" their "44K" in the little black cans w/gold letters is the only way to go. Hope this helps! Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 14:10:12 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:08:20 EDT Subject: Re: Painless Wiring "Painless" ain't what it is on your wallet !! Watch out ! When dumping an IROC TPI engine into a '68 Chevelle my EX bought the Painless kit for it. YES it was nice, YES it was high-quality - not one complaint about the product. But..... it really wasn't much different than the fact. harness he got w/ the engine. There were still some modifications to the new harness that you had to do yourself. ("Laurie... what do I do with these wires????- help!") For that fact I really believe that it was way too much $$. (cheapest at Summit). Looked at their basic harnesses for starting from scratch for other app's & thought they were a bit spendy too. If ya don't have anywires or diagrams to start w/ and have limited time or knowledge & a fat wallet - go for it, but I'd really consider making up your own. .02 Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 15:09:57 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: "Roadster List" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:08:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Painless Wiring >"Painless" ain't what it is on your wallet !! Watch out ! > >snip > >If ya don't have anywires or diagrams to start w/ and have limited time or >knowledge & a fat wallet - go for it, but I'd really consider making up your >own. I agree 100%. A couple of years ago, Painless even published a book a couple of years ago on auto wiring that I special ordered. It was okay, but primarily a $20 advertisement for their product line, without much "how to..." info. I found Jim Horner's book Automotive Electrical Handbook(?), published by HP and maybe still in print, much better organized and more informative. Longacre(?) offers switch panels, too, but like Painless, they are pricey. There's company call Hot Wires or Rod Wires that usually shows up at the big auto swap meet around here. I'll dig around and see if I've kept one of their brochures and post the info if I find it. I see copies of the Horner book at Half Price Books occasionally. If folks are interested I'll start buying them and post their availability. Send me a note off list and I'll stick the notes in an archive folder. If you want to see what I think is a very nice wiring job, check out < http://zcarmag.com/images/shasta/ronnie1.jpg> It's one of several pictures on the ZCCD website that I shot at the Shasta Ski Park in '99. The car was supposedly Gary Jervis's first major project and is a real nice piece of work. I took almost an entire roll of stills and a lot of video so I could analyze what and how he'd finished the wiring and instrument panel for the car. He told me that after installing the driver's seat he mocked up the gauge and switch panels using balsa wood and cardboard. That way he was able to check gauge visibility and switch location and easily make changes before welding up the square tube frame and cutting the panels. Pictures 1 through 4 in the set are of Gary's car. FWIW, Ron Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth ------------------ '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 15:27:29 2000 From: fred To: "Brian St. Jacques" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:27:56 -0400 Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? It works I have an old rust bucket truck with tons of rust . I painted all the rust on it 3 years ago-- no rust through -- no new rust it's great ! FRED 69-2000 #10883 "Brian St. Jacques" wrote: > I was researching some de-rusting options and found a product called > Rust-X. Their claim is that it chemically reacts with the rust in several > different ways and the end result turns the rust into a protective coating > that is supposed to seal the metal from any further moisture contact. > > I got one bottle of the stuff and sprayed it on a few things. After about > 20 minutes the rust turns into a semi glossy black finish. Supposedly this > can be painted over or simply left alone. So far it seems to do what it > says it will, but the proof will come in time. > > At 07:37 AM 9/15/2000, Marc Tyler wrote: > >ken ogi wrote > > > > >hello list > > >i took my roadster apart and found more than my share of rust and some > > >rots. > > >i used rust mort and then coated it with epoxy primer + sealer... i > > >thought this will virtually stop the rust from spreading. well > > >"virtually" is the right word because i still have areas where the rust > > >has bled through. now i'm looking at a paint called POR-15. > > >has anyone ever used this stuff? does it work? > > >any input would be grateful :) > > > > > >thanks > > >ken 67.5 1600 rust-bucket > > > > > > > > >I'm looking ito these products too. An alternative to POR-15 is > >Eastwood's Corolless. I haven't used either, the main difference seems > >to be that Coroless is more UV stable. It's a red pimer color, so you'd > >be topcoating either one probably. There's info on Corroless on the > >Eastwood website: > > > >www.eastwoodco.com > > Brian '68 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 17:00:35 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: ken ogi Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:06:59 -0700 Subject: Re: rust proof paint??? Ken, POR 15 is great stuff. Your metal has to be slightly rusty for the paint to properly bond to the steel. If it is bright and shiny you must apply a material that will etch the metal and allow the POR to adhere properly. Oh, the address is...The Finished Look, POR distributor, 242, 41st Stree, Sacramento, CA 95819. Phone 916-455-2007 or 800-827-6715. They will accept a credit card and mail the material the same day. Nice people. Oh, Very important. Follow the instructions. AND unless you want to become a different color for quite a while, don't get the paint on you. It does NOT come off people, garage floors, you wife's new volvo, etc. Guy 67.5 SPL 311 Tempe, AZ ken ogi wrote: > hello list > i took my roadster apart and found more than my share of rust and some > rots. > i used rust mort and then coated it with epoxy primer + sealer... i > thought this will virtually stop the rust from spreading. well > "virtually" is the right word because i still have areas where the rust > has bled through. now i'm looking at a paint called POR-15. > has anyone ever used this stuff? does it work? > any input would be grateful :) > > thanks > ken 67.5 1600 rust-bucket From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 17:14:59 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Ronnie Day" , Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:18:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Painless Wiring Ronnie Day wrote >I agree 100%. A couple of years ago, Painless even published a book a >couple of years ago on auto wiring that I special ordered. It was okay, >but primarily a $20 advertisement for their product line, without much >"how to..." info. I found Jim Horner's book Automotive Electrical >Handbook(?), published by HP and maybe still in print, much better >organized and more informative. Longacre(?) offers switch panels, too, >but like Painless, they are pricey. There's company call Hot Wires or Rod >Wires that usually shows up at the big auto swap meet around here. I'll >dig around and see if I've kept one of their brochures and post the info >if I find it. I see copies of the Horner book at Half Price Books >occasionally. If folks are interested I'll start buying them and post >their availability. Send me a note off list and I'll stick the notes in >an archive folder. > >If you want to see what I think is a very nice wiring job, check out Does this handbook have information on converting positive gnd to negative gnd? The electrics chapter in my restoration "how to" guide is cursory, and the procedure for switching ground is suspect. -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 17:24:05 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: "Ofarrell, Fergus" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:30:50 -0700 Subject: Re: trailer tricks (maybe trailer trash) Thanks Furgus, Great, practical tips. Oh, I hate that "whompus" sound. It can be so expensive. My last one was made by a new Cadillac. Guy "Ofarrell, Fergus" wrote: > response to "trailering" > < tighten up the chains. You should see the rear end squat down a bit, and > the front tires squish a bit. All four chains should be straight and > tight.>> > > I can't remember where I heard long ago that if ya wanna get all the chains > straight and tight, let some air out of the tires, then tighten them as best > you can, then drive by the local filling station and refill the tires, which > will really tighten the chains. Just be careful, you can generate a whole > heck of a lot of force this way (pneumatic jack). Also, the reason that > chains 'relax' in the first 1/2 hour is that they bind up, during > tightening, without the links in the fully extended position. Once you get > some tension in the chains, whack it every foot or two with a pipe or > broomstick and they'll settle, and 'relax' a lot less. > And another suggestion, if you're tow vehicle is so high (or towable so low) > that you can't see the back corners of the trailer when backing, stick a > broom stick or flag or something in the right-rear corner when backing, so > you can tell when the trailer goes whompus. The mirrors won't tell you in > time unless you tow something every week. > (mental remnants of growing up in California central valley, agriculture > production and homemade trailers everywhere) > > Fergus O'Farrell > 69 2000 > Huntington Beach From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 17:50:08 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Datsun Roadster List" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:44:13 -0400 Subject: Sport Utility Vehicle Cartoons! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C01F4D.53475320 charset="iso-8859-1" > > > http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/suv/main.asp > ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C01F4D.53475320 name="Sport~Utility~Vehicle~Cartoons!.url" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Sport~Utility~Vehicle~Cartoons!.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/suv/main.asp [InternetShortcut] URL=http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/suv/main.asp Modified=2020E852211FC0017B ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C01F4D.53475320-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 19:35:47 2000 From: STAN CHERNOFF To: "Robert Morrow" , Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:34:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Exhaust question Bob, There is no gasket on a stock setup, it is metal to metal. Headers have a gasket where the collector bolts to the header. Stan ======= At 10:23 AM 9/15/00 -0400, Robert Morrow wrote: > >Can anyone please enlighten me as to the size of the donut gasket between >the manifold and the exhaust pipe on my '68 2000. > >Thanks > >Bob > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 20:04:58 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: jroach@qualcomm.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:03:12 EDT Subject: Re: ZCSD cruise on Sept 10 report In a message dated 9/15/00 11:07:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jroach@qualcomm.com writes: << If you're like me and just like to get out and drive when ever possible, you might want to seek out any Z clubs in your area. For on Sunday, I went on my first drive with the Z club of SD... >> HEllo, I agree! I think that the Z Clubs are also a great bunch of folks and usually their clubs are alittle more structured and organized. I consider this to be a plus. Usually there have been contacts made with different establishments for deals and discounts. As for myself, I belong to ZONC, the Z Owners of NorCal. This was actually my first Datsun club. I joined about 6 years ago when I had my '66 1600. And if it wasnt for that club I would not have found this Roadster Mailing List. But I have become more active and now write a monthly article for them in regards to Roadsters and Roadster gatherings. ZONC holds about 2 to 3 events every two months. For more info check out their website, www.zonc.org Michael "Calspeed" Carion 67.5 2000 Solex BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 22:46:38 2000 From: Nathen Ruffcorn To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Car won't shut off!! (looong) Hey all! I spent the day finishing up some of the details of my restoration. Now that I'm somewhat legal, I've taken the roadster for several test spins. Most everything is working great! I was not prepared for the stares you receive driving a roadster that is ALMOST completed. I have been unwilling to do too much driving as it is still waiting for one piece from the chrome shop to install the windshield. This afternoon I finally got around to wiring the alternater. It's a GM one wire (also has a plug for a sensing wire and lamp wire). After getting everything wired, I was excited to finally see the ammeter gauge jump over to the right side, showing that it was charging. Went to shut off the key, motor kept running-flipped the master disconnect switch, motor kept running???!!! ;-) The "sensing" wire on the alt recieves power from the black/white wire that runs through the ignition switch (thought this was correct??). When this connection is "open" the circuit is interupted and the engine shuts off (with key shut off). It seems obvious power is being fed through the switch, not allowing the switch to cut power to the ignition. I KNOW this is long for a Friday night but does anyone have any thoughts. I don't want to continue to risk my life by pulling off the coil wire to stop the engine! My immediate thought is to install a small relay to cut power to the sensing wire when the switch is powered down, but there has to be a more correct way. If you read this far-THANK-YOU!! Have a great weekend! Nathan From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 15 23:02:43 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:57:56 -0700 Subject: oc muffler shop Anyone hear of a good muffler shop in Orange county, CA that knows--or can learn--about roadster exhaust systems? Getting ready to rumble, if you know what I mean. Need someone who will take good care while waving a welding torch around. Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 04:11:23 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: andycost@att.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 05:09:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Chevy Fuel Injection > Many cars have an extra injector in the intake somewhere > that acts somewhat like a choke. If this extra injector > goes bad you might get symptoms like hard starting and > fuel leakage, although not much fuel could leak without > the pump running. I would suggest pouring a can of > Chemtool in the tank and hoping that the injector cures > itself. Make sure you have pleanty of gas in there. I > poured a whole can in a motorcycle tank with three > gallons of gas. It sure did clean it well. It even > cleaned the electrodes off the sparkplugs. > Andy > > A buddy of mine has a 1995 6 cylinder Chevy Blazer with 73,000 miles. > > Lately he has been noticing a hard start problem first thing in the morning. > > When he get's it cranked, white smoke plumes out. A little rough running at > > first, but once warmed up it runs fine. He took it to the dealer this > > morning and they told him that fuel is leaking into the cylinders due to a > > bad central port injector (or something like this). I gather that this > > thing controls fuel flow to the fuel injectors. The said that they have to > > take the intake off and it would be $1,200 to fix. They say that failure to > > fix it will lead to further deterioration and carbon buildup, and possible > > problems with the catalinic converter and passing emmision inspections. > > > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? Are there any other repair options? > > Thanks for your help. Some cars have fuel acumulators that cn supply fuel even without the pump running. The Volvo 240's and 260's could reall surprise you when you pull a fuel line off after the car has been sitting for a few days abd fuel shoots all over te place! Peace, Pat -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 10:15:11 2000 From: Mark Dent To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:11:22 -0400 Subject: Rear Ends All, This winter my 68 is going to be dismantled and put back together. Looking towards the future (availability of parts and such) What rear swaps have people done. RX-7? Ford 9 inch? I want an easily serviceable rear that I can easily swap gears in. 4 wheel disc would be nice but the Ford 9 inch with disc can be costly. Ideas? suggestion? Mark Baltimore 68 1600 67.5 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 11:02:36 2000 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:01:57 EDT Subject: Re: Chevy Fuel Injection hello all, My 95 Tahoe with the v8 most likely has the same fuel injection setup. The fuel injectors (2) are housed in a carb type body that bolts to the manifold just like a carb. R&R of the fuel injectors is a piece of cake. They are right on top out in the open. If they are leaking they will definitely dump a lot of fuel into the manifold with the engine off. keith From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 11:34:29 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: stickerman@home.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:33:46 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Ends Mark, Unless you are going to put LOTS of power through it, the 9 inch Ford is overkill. You can easily get by with a Ford 8 inch. The biggest problem is going to be bolt patterns. The Mazda has the right pattern and it is a bit stronger than stock. I'm sure that there are others, but I have not researched it. By the way, has anyone got the dimensions for a Mazda rear end (from wheel mounting pad to wheel mounting pad?) Sid >From: Mark Dent >Reply-To: Mark Dent >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Rear Ends >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:11:22 -0400 > >All, > >This winter my 68 is going to be dismantled and put back together. Looking >towards the future (availability of parts and such) What rear swaps have >people done. RX-7? Ford 9 inch? I want an easily serviceable rear that I >can easily swap gears in. 4 wheel disc would be nice but the Ford 9 inch >with disc can be costly. > >Ideas? suggestion? > >Mark >Baltimore >68 1600 >67.5 2000 > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 12:24:24 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:23:30 +0200 Subject: Re: Rear Ends If anyone is replacing their rear axle with another similar type the big problem is to shorten the shafts. For stock track width you would be looking for 1172 mm or 46.14 inches from "pad to pad" I think even the B210 (Y120) had more track width than the Roadster. Bolt patten modification is a piece of cake. Also as Sidney pointed out a Ford 9 inch is overkill and also makes more drivetrain power loss than the stock axle. An RX-7 axle with limited slip might be one of the better ones. Bolt patten and maybe rear disc brakes too. You still need to shorten it. If you were in Europe, a Ford Escort RWD axle would be the closest in size. How about the Isuzu Piazza "or whatever they called it" axle? They are strong enough. Thomas in sweden. sidney raper wrote: > Mark, > > Unless you are going to put LOTS of power through it, the 9 inch Ford is > overkill. You can easily get by with a Ford 8 inch. The biggest problem is > going to be bolt patterns. The Mazda has the right pattern and it is a bit > stronger than stock. I'm sure that there are others, but I have not > researched it. > > By the way, has anyone got the dimensions for a Mazda rear end (from wheel > mounting pad to wheel mounting pad?) > > Sid > > >From: Mark Dent > >Reply-To: Mark Dent > >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >Subject: Rear Ends > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:11:22 -0400 > > > >All, > > > >This winter my 68 is going to be dismantled and put back together. Looking > >towards the future (availability of parts and such) What rear swaps have > >people done. RX-7? Ford 9 inch? I want an easily serviceable rear that I > >can easily swap gears in. 4 wheel disc would be nice but the Ford 9 inch > >with disc can be costly. > > > >Ideas? suggestion? > > > >Mark > >Baltimore > >68 1600 > >67.5 2000 > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 12:39:54 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:39:03 +0200 Subject: Re: Rear Ends I made a mistake. The "pad to pad" dimension should be 1228 mm or 48.35 inches on the stock Roadster axle. Thomas in Sweden From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 13:13:11 2000 From: "Bill Barber" To: "Datsun Roadsters" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:16:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Rear Ends ISUZU PIAZZA (Japan) = ISUZU IMPULSE (U.S.) I suspect there are a few in junkyards.... You want to tackle that one Van? ;-) Bill Barber SRL311-09363 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 14:26:03 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: spl310@hotmail.com, stickerman@home.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:25:06 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Ends In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:35:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, spl310@hotmail.com writes: > By the way, has anyone got the dimensions for a Mazda rear end (from wheel > mounting pad to wheel mounting pad?) Yup, got one sitting in my backyard... width is about 57" total, +-1/4" (used an old measuring tape). Thing is, you will want the '84/85 GSL-SE rear end ONLY. Those were the only RX7 rears that came with the correct 4x114.3mm bolt pattern, and their axle shafts were thicker than the splined sections, allowing you to shorten them w/o any probs. The rest of the first-gen RX7 rear ends had smaller diameter axles. The vented rear disk brakes on that particular rear is a nice added bonus.. :) \/ /\ /\/ www.sr20parts.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 14:28:00 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, JGBOWEN@aol.com, hrmgmt@sfo.com, Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:18 EDT Subject: BADROC Picnic! Hello, I finally received the much anticipated info about the biggest Car Show in San Francisco, "Jimmy's 12th Annual Old Car Picnic". Once again, it will be held in San Francisco in Golden Gate Park between 25th and 30 Avenue @ JFK Drive. Location: Speedway Meadow (on the lawn), Golden Gate Park Date: October 8th, Sunday 2000 Time: I will be there early to get the spots but I would suggest that you arrive by10:00 or you will not have any parking. How to get to our BBQ... Enter at the main entrance near 30th Ave and then turn right and drive westward until you see us. Very easy! Or meet at my house for a drive together. Btw... it is $15.00. This may turn out to be an annual and premier BADROC end of the year function. Last year which happened to be the first showing of BADROC we had close to ten cars. We were not prepared since it was our first time out there. A wonderful grassy area was reserved for BADROC but we never took advantage of the BBQ pit and tables. This year will be different! I will once again get there early to reserve the area for our club. For those of you who havnt heard. There will be well over 500 cars present. All of the cars are 1972 or older with most of them being American Iron. All the better as it makes our tiny Roadsters really stand out from the crowd! We had so many people interested in our cars. Talking about your car to hundreds of folks can get quite tiring. If you wnat to join in the fun and BBQ you will not want to miss this event. And for you SoCal'rs... come on up for the weekend! Fly or drive! Btw... BADROC will be hosting some out of state Roadster guests during this weekend. For more pictrures go to Fred Katz website and look up the Old Cars Picnic form last year. Michael "Calspeed" Carion BADROC ZONC SF Area Coordinator From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 14:49:29 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:48:36 +0200 Subject: Re: Rear Ends And the earlier RX-7 probably had the early 4x110mm bolt patten. Thomas the Swede DemonTSi@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:35:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > spl310@hotmail.com writes: > > > By the way, has anyone got the dimensions for a Mazda rear end (from wheel > > mounting pad to wheel mounting pad?) > > Yup, got one sitting in my backyard... width is about 57" total, +-1/4" (used > an old measuring tape). Thing is, you will want the '84/85 GSL-SE rear end > ONLY. Those were the only RX7 rears that came with the correct 4x114.3mm bolt > pattern, and their axle shafts were thicker than the splined sections, > allowing you to shorten them w/o any probs. The rest of the first-gen RX7 > rear ends had smaller diameter axles. The vented rear disk brakes on that > particular rear is a nice added bonus.. :) > > \/ /\ /\/ > www.sr20parts.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 14:55:24 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: csp311@telia.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:54:48 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Ends In a message dated 09/16/2000 1:50:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, csp311@telia.com writes: > And the earlier RX-7 probably had the early 4x110mm bolt patten. That is correct, and so did the GSL rear ends, which also came with LSD and disk brakes. BUT, their rear rotors are solid, not vented. So if anyone goes yarding for a GSL-SE rear end, make sure you pull the rear end that has the VENTED rear brakes!! BTW, cost to shorten the housing and axles should be no more than 200-240 bucks... \/ /\ /\/ www.sr20parts.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 15:04:53 2000 From: Thomas To: DemonTSi@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:03:59 +0200 Subject: Re: Rear Ends They friction weld the axle shafts after cutting them? They want a lot more than $240.- where I live to shorten a solid rear axle so I'm using an IRS instead. Thomas the Swede DemonTSi@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 09/16/2000 1:50:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > csp311@telia.com writes: > > > And the earlier RX-7 probably had the early 4x110mm bolt patten. > > That is correct, and so did the GSL rear ends, which also came with LSD and > disk brakes. BUT, their rear rotors are solid, not vented. So if anyone goes > yarding for a GSL-SE rear end, make sure you pull the rear end that has the > VENTED rear brakes!! > BTW, cost to shorten the housing and axles should be no more than 200-240 > bucks... > > \/ /\ /\/ > www.sr20parts.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 15:13:01 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: csp311@telia.com Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:12:30 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Ends In a message dated 09/16/2000 2:04:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, csp311@telia.com writes: > They friction weld the axle shafts after cutting them? > They want a lot more than $240.- where I live to shorten > a solid rear axle so I'm using an IRS instead. I had ran into someone who had an RX7 rear end shortened to fit under his sprite or such, and he told me it cost him 180 bucks total! He mentioned that the shop that did the housing used the jig and tooling that htey usually use for the smaller ford rear ends in mustangs. This was in Lutherville, MD (I'm reading the email he sent me right now.) What sort of IRS are you going with? \/ /\ /\/ www.sr20parts.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 16:18:34 2000 From: "Robb Pynes" To: "Post to Datsun Net" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:24:58 -0700 Subject: New Datsun U20 Bomber Web Site Please check out the new bomber web site and let me know if all of the information is correct. If you have any other links etc that you would like me to add or corrections, let me know Thanks Robb PynesRobb Pynes robbpynes@continet.com U-20 Bomber Page My Company (541)-342-4500 Eugene, Oregon '69 2000 RHD "Red" Special class award winner Shasta '98 '69 2000 LHD What Color do you want ? Started Project Car '70 2000 LHD "Black" 3rd Place Modified Class Shasta '99 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 16:18:40 2000 From: "Charles Hubbard" To: "Datsun Roadster Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:14:54 -0500 Subject: 1500 SU Needle I am in need of a pair or (or one) stock SU jet needle(s) to fit the Hitachi Carbs on my 1964 SPL310. If you have any that you want to sell or know a place where I can purchase them, I would really appreciate it. The original part number is: 16354-12210 Please reply offline. Thanks Charlie From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 16:22:12 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:21:32 EDT Subject: OT - BADROC I am shooting this out to the Datsun List as I dont have all of the BADROC'rs eamial address. Please contact myself or Fred if you plan on going to the Old Car Picnic in Golden Gate Park. We need to coordinate who will be bringing what for the BBQ. Meat... Drinks... Chips... Plates/Napkins... Coals... Ice! Looking forward to the event! Michael "Calspeed" Carion From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 16:29:02 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: robbpynes@continet.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:28:27 EDT Subject: Re: New Datsun U20 Bomber Web Site In a message dated 9/16/00 10:19:54 PM !!!First Boot!!!, robbpynes@continet.com writes: << Please check out the new bomber web site and let me know if all of the information is correct. >> Looks good but you misspelled, "California". ;>) Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 16:43:24 2000 From: "Dan and Louise Yates" To: "roadsters list" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:43:01 -0600 Subject: O.T. Subaru vs Audi My wife is in the market for a new car and I have convinced her that another suv isn't the answer. She is looking at an Outback sedan and a Audi A4 Quattro. Any recommendations from those in the know? Reply off list. Thanks, Dan Yates From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 20:42:14 2000 From: "Charles Hubbard" To: "Datsun Roadster Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:38:57 -0500 Subject: 1500 Rod alignment Can someone tell me if the oil holes in the rod connectors on my 1500 engine line up towards or away from the cam. I'm changing pistons and forgot to mark them. Duh! Charlie 1964 SPL310 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 21:23:50 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: "Datsun Roadster Mailing List (E-mail)" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:29:19 -0700 Subject: Re: 1500 Rod alignment I believe it's towards the cam. I know it is on the 1600 and 2000, anyway. Charles Hubbard wrote: > Can someone tell me if the oil holes in the rod connectors on my 1500 engine > line up towards or away from the cam. I'm changing pistons and forgot to > mark them. Duh! > > Charlie > 1964 SPL310 -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 16 22:28:01 2000 From: frankr@hwcn.org (Frank Roggeband) To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:29:29 -0400 Subject: Ontario Z-car Z-fest 2000 For those interested photos are up from the Ontario Z-car Z-fest 2000. http://www.ontariozcar.com/zfest00/zfest01.html The white 68 is for sale. It is a 2000 with su's. Good solid restorable car. Engine turns (not siezed) but currently is not running. Extra parts too, cylinder head transmission misc brake parts etc. He is asking $3500:-0 Can for it but is open to offers. I spoke with him tonight and so far he is standing firm on the price but will eventually come down. Any clever negotiators near by? I would try but I am not in need of another project right now. I will pass along any favourable replies;-). Later. -- Frank Roggeband | 67.5 1600, 69 1600, 69 510, 71 510, 75 710, 93 KingCab Grimsby Ontario | Http://www.hwcn.org/~ae845/Profile.html Canada | email-->frankr@hwcn.org Electronics Technician and Datsun Enthusiast.! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 06:35:15 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:37:56 -0400 Subject: Auto Grill Badges I got the following letter and thought I would pass on the information. I got the DATSUN grille badge for Christmas from my loving wife last year and it is great. Beautiful colors and solid construction; well worth the money. ROADSTER CONTENT: Japanese badge lower right corner Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: llcollin@cris.com To: Kathy Kort <9laser3@bright.net> Date: Sunday, September 17, 2000 8:12 AM Subject: Special Offer for you Kathy - Auto Grill Badges and Decals! >Kathy, > >10% off for our valued customers! > >Schoolhouse Graphics now has available a full assortment of Grill Badges(International, >vehicle makes, US States, etc) and Country Decals on our site and are offering >10% off on any purcahse through the end of September. These, of course, are offered >in conjunction with our fine display of quality German license plates. > >To view/order pls go to our site http://www.shgraphics.com > >We would like to thank you for your business Kathy, > >The folks at Schoolhouse Graphics >http://www.shgraphics.com > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 09:23:25 2000 From: Steve Harvey To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:27:01 -0500 Subject: Valve cover question Hello list, I recently purchased a non-functioning 1970 1600 engine/transmission. I'm planning on rebuilding the motor this winter. Along with the engine/trans., I got a box of parts. Included with those parts was an extra valve cover that says "DATSUN 1600 OHC" across the top. Does anyone know what year and model of car this cover was used on? I have no need for it and if someone can use it, let me know. Steve Harvey From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 10:32:40 2000 From: Thomas To: stevenh@execpc.com Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:31:31 +0200 Subject: Re: Valve cover question It's an early L16 valve cover, I think. I havent seen many of them. The first 240Z engines had a similar cover with DATSUN 2400 OHC. They changed to NISSAN OHC from around 1970 or so. The first Datsuns were sold in Sweden as late as 1971 so we only see the early camcovers on imports. It might be worth something for the 510 owners. Thomas the Swede Steve Harvey skrev: > Hello list, > I recently purchased a non-functioning 1970 1600 engine/transmission. > I'm planning on rebuilding the motor this winter. Along with the > engine/trans., I got a box of parts. Included with those parts was an > extra valve cover that says "DATSUN 1600 OHC" across the top. Does > anyone know what year and model of car this cover was used on? I have no > need for it and if someone can use it, let me know. > Steve Harvey From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 16:28:32 2000 From: Lutepisk@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:27:13 EDT Subject: Temp Gauge Howdy, Folks. I had a great move from Issaquah, WA to Portsmouth, NH, and my little red wonder car is experiencing more top-down days than I ever thought possible as a western Washingtonian! It gets a lot of curious looks here, too, since there are so few in this area. Of course it's going in the garage at the first application of salt on the roads, but that's another story. Here's the requisite roadster content: the movement of my temp needle is barely perceptible (like, it might rise from the "2" of "120" to the "0" of "120"). Here's what I've done: - new temp sender (thanks, Ross) - new connector and clean, tight contact on sender end - cleaned and tightened connector on gauge end Is there anything else I may be missing, or is the temp part of my instrument gauge shot? Otherwise thoroughly enjoying the eastern seacoast, with my daughter and my wonderful new wife, -John -------------- John Stromgren 70 Datsun 2000 Portsmouth, NH -------------- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 18:33:20 2000 From: "Adam Fox" To: "Nathen Ruffcorn" , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:58:22 +1000 Subject: Re: Car won't shut off!! (looong) I had this problem when converting my 510 to the FJ20t engine. To fix it I had to put a diode in the alternator lamp wire to stop the current flowing in a certain direction. If you need more specific info on this let me know. Adam Fox 65 1500 71 2LFJ20 Turbo 510 ---------- > From: Nathen Ruffcorn > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Car won't shut off!! (looong) > Date: Saturday, 16 September 2000 14:44 > > Hey all! > > I spent the day finishing up some of the details of my restoration. Now > that I'm somewhat legal, I've taken the roadster for several test spins. > Most everything is working great! I was not prepared for the stares you > receive driving a roadster that is ALMOST completed. I have been unwilling > to do too much driving as it is still waiting for one piece from the chrome > shop to install the windshield. > > This afternoon I finally got around to wiring the alternater. It's a GM one > wire (also has a plug for a sensing wire and lamp wire). After getting > everything wired, I was excited to finally see the ammeter gauge jump over > to the right side, showing that it was charging. Went to shut off the key, > motor kept running-flipped the master disconnect switch, motor kept > running???!!! ;-) > > The "sensing" wire on the alt recieves power from the black/white wire that > runs through the ignition switch (thought this was correct??). When this > connection is "open" the circuit is interupted and the engine shuts off > (with key shut off). It seems obvious power is being fed through the > switch, not allowing the switch to cut power to the ignition. > > I KNOW this is long for a Friday night but does anyone have any thoughts. I > don't want to continue to risk my life by pulling off the coil wire to stop > the engine! My immediate thought is to install a small relay to cut power > to the sensing wire when the switch is powered down, but there has to be a > more correct way. > > If you read this far-THANK-YOU!! Have a great weekend! > > Nathan > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 21:03:52 2000 From: SRL311KA@aol.com To: Lutepisk@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:02:39 EDT Subject: Re: Temp Gauge Have you checked the actual temp with a thermometer? Maybe that's the temp. Bill Kenyon SRL311 KA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 21:23:04 2000 From: "Charles Hubbard" To: "Datsun Roadster Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:19:53 -0500 Subject: ANNOUNCING THE NEW T.D.R.O.C. WEB SITE The Texas Datsun Roadster Owners Club (TDROC) is pleased to announce the launch of its new web site. We would like everyone to take a look around and leave your comments/feedback in the Guest Registry. We hope that like it enough to add it to your browser favorites. http://members.home.net/cehubbard/tdroc/ We will be adding many features to the site as time (and ability) permits. Planned additions will be a new home for updated "Tech Tips" from our very own Tom Walter (Thanks Tom). Also featured are cover photos of editions of "The Datsun Roadster Link" and information on how and why to join the TDROC. We hope you enjoy this site and find it a great resource for information on TDROC events, pictures and links to other club and roadster related sites. I've visited some really exceptional sites dedicated to the Datsun Roadster and have learned a great deal in the process. It's really nice to have so many fine club sites on which to draw ideas from. Given that this is my first attempt at building a web site, I would appreciate any tips and suggestions that any of you feel compelled to offer. If you have any club links you would like added to the site, please do not hesitate to send them along. Best Regards, Charlie Hubbard Flower Mound, TX 1964 SPL310 http://members.home.net/cehubbard/tdroc/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 21:23:53 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:29:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Temp Gauge One way to do a quick check on the gauge is to ground the sender wire. The gauge should go to full hot. How good is the ground for the sender unit? Lutepisk@aol.com wrote: > Howdy, Folks. > > I had a great move from Issaquah, WA to Portsmouth, NH, and my little red > wonder car is experiencing more top-down days than I ever thought possible as > a western Washingtonian! It gets a lot of curious looks here, too, since > there are so few in this area. Of course it's going in the garage at the > first application of salt on the roads, but that's another story. > > Here's the requisite roadster content: the movement of my temp needle is > barely perceptible (like, it might rise from the "2" of "120" to the "0" of > "120"). > > Here's what I've done: > - new temp sender (thanks, Ross) > - new connector and clean, tight contact on sender end > - cleaned and tightened connector on gauge end > > Is there anything else I may be missing, or is the temp part of my instrument > gauge shot? > > Otherwise thoroughly enjoying the eastern seacoast, with my daughter and my > wonderful new wife, > > -John > -------------- > John Stromgren > 70 Datsun 2000 > Portsmouth, NH > -------------- -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 22:45:11 2000 From: Michael Tarelka To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:44:17 -0700 Subject: New Horns, Relays and "Fixed" Switch in the Colimn This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------674CB1B63852DFBE2E6CE302 Hello List! As you may know I have recently imported from Colorado, a very nice 1600. To date, I have added new rubber pedal stuff, door jamb radius protectors, sun visors and new horns (with a new relay). The previous horns were rusted and worn, so I contacted Nissan, but they only had the "low" horn; I rebuilt - painted the old "hi" one - Rustoleum City. This horn job, took me 5 hours. I had to "rebuild" the horn contact, which broke off; thanks Radio Shack. I now need to build up the foam under the horn cap, to replace what I scrapped off; I am thinking velcro. In addition, I still need to hook up the new tach cable, I am thinking of visiting a doctor and have him shrink my hands. The first go around wasn't pretty. I should have re-negotiated my purchase price to include the tach cable job! I recently visited Dean, in SoCal, to meet him and buy some some stuff He is a trip. I like him, his heart is in the right place and he is very knowledgeable. Today, I saw another 1600, here in Alameda, a two tone white / bronze recent paint job. I almost knocked on his door, but decided it wouldn't be cool. Anyway, I looked his car over to see what parts I was missing :) He needs a stock radio, which I have - maybe he would install my tach cable? Lastly, this is the "X rated" part - I was crusing and stopped at a local pub, this beautiful woman came out to look my car - she said "..it made her wet". Is this what you guys are always grinning about? Thanks Michael Tarelka Alameda, Ca --------------674CB1B63852DFBE2E6CE302 name="mtarelka.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Michael Tarelka Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mtarelka.vcf" begin:vcard n:Tarelka;Michael x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 note:SPL 311-26026 x-mozilla-cpt:;22416 fn:Michael Tarelka end:vcard --------------674CB1B63852DFBE2E6CE302-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 23:09:57 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:06:14 -0700 Subject: Roadster progress I finally put the engine and transmission on the chassis today. I am just about where Paul was over a month ago. I am sorry that I do not have a digital camera to show you pictures, but if you will recall Paul's chassis when the gang from California helped with his engine installation. (I had to do mine by myself.) Just do a flash back to his old pictures. :^) With the exception that my engine is red. The exterior of the car will not be red. Bob Moscow 67.5 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 17 23:12:51 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:09:13 -0700 Subject: steering question I put the tube that surrounds the steering column back in tonight. Quite a job. Don't try to do this with the windshield on unless you have arms like a gorilla. It bolts in thru the outside of the firewall, but only about three inches of the tube sticks out into the engine compartment. In order to line it up correctly, you have to reach into the passenger's compartment. It's also impossible to install the tube with the rear carb mounted. Of course, i also thought it was impossible to lose something as big as the steering tube in my garage, but that's another story! My question is, are there spacers or rubber grommets that go into the four holes that hold the tube onto the firewall? I got the bolts, but no combination of washers seems to hold the tube centered. Pictures would be very helpful, or just an explanation as to what I am missing. Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 00:43:06 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, wai@ix.netcom.com Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:41:53 EDT Subject: 67.5 SRL(2) + 150 Miles(2) x 1 day = Okay... so much for Algebra. But if you were able to figure out what I am talking about then you would be just as excited as I was this morning. Today, I had the opportunity to see for myself what the differences would be between a 1967.5 SRL Solex (early style) street/track modified and a bone stock 1967.5 SRL Solex with the later style carbs. The day started early for me as I was to meet up at Mike Youngs shop in the Northern Wine Country about 150 north of San Francisco. At his shop was an older restoration of a 67.5 SRL2000. This car was dropped off at his shop for me to pick up and drive back to the Bay Area. I was dropping off my car to have the 1600 rearend swap performed at his shop. I drove north on Hwy 101 for about 60 miles and then the road cleared and suddenly the four lane highway opened up to be my testing ground for my "impromptu comparo". As many of you already know, my Sora Blue baby has a freshly built motor with a set of fresh early style Solex's. (37mm chokes). There are also some other motor mods and the suspension is fairly well setup for my style of driving which includes a fair amount of road course work. Before I continue, yes I was speeding this Sunday morning on an empty highway. Yes I admit that I was breaking the law and it was not the right thing to do. Although I thoroughly enjoyed the day it was still wrong. Okay.... on with the story. The road was extremely smooth with wide sweeping turns. Two lanes in each direction. Soon enough I was running 4th gear up to 5500rpm. A shift to 5th and I cruised along at around 110-115. The tires stuck wonderfully and the Solex's never missed a beat. Each turn was carefully executed and I never went more than 7/10ths of my ability. A decent entrance speed was set and I slowly increased my speed as I exited. It was so relaxing and at the same time a thrill to feel what these cars are capable of doing. Soon I found myself at a junction to Hwy 175 east. The road tightened up quite abit as I made my way up the mountain pass. This was 2nd and third gear driving at its finest. The road was freshly laid and for 30 twisty miles I did not see one pothole or buckling of the road. Of course, my tight suspension worked well and my car hummed along at a decent 190 degrees on this 90+ day. I arrived at my destination 35 minutes faster then the Yahoo.com map site said that it would take. Go figure...? I talked with Mike Young for about an hour and I had to leave as I needed to get back to The City early afternoon. He brought me the yellow 2000 and it sounded wonderful. Idling nicely at 900 rpm I slowly dropped the heavy clutch and was off. This original Canadian Solex 2000 was beautiful. The car sat on its stock springs KYB shocks and its 185/70x14 tires. The stock steering wheel and stock shift lever made me feel very comfortable. As I drove along the country highway the stock suspension rolled up and down and side to side as I challenged the same roads that I traveled this morning. Although I never broke the tires loose I could feel that I had just alittle bit more before things got funky. Fortunatly I bought myself a 4 dollar rev limiter at the nearby Baskin Robbins. While one hand was busy holding my Iced Mochachino the other did the driving. This kept my speeds way down on this super tight road. When the road straightened and I finished my drink I opened up the throttle to see what this sportscar had in the way of muscle. From a stop I smoothly took off and at 6000 I left a nice "chirp" into 2nd gear. Once again, 6000 rpm and then "chirp" into 3rd! Not bad! The rest of the drive was cruising at around 75 to 80 mph. There was even a time when I was tracked down by the CHP and when he finally pulled up to me he probably saw the words Datsun and thought, "Nah... couldn't be" The drive back was pleasent and very comfortable. It was like driving a comfortable version of my car. I didnt get jarred when I ran over those lane divider bumps. I didnt feel every crack on Hwy 101. It was almost luxurious. Although I did notice that there was quite a difference with top end power. The 37mm chokes do make a pronounced difference when you get into the power band. The "early's" kicked on the power with a huge surge and the "later" version brought the power on strong but very smooth. Both version are otherwise great for street driving. Of the two SRL's which one do I like? Well, I wouldn't trade in #248 for # 6-- if thats your question. But this other 2000 was so tight and so comfortable that I was thinking of adding it to my collection. Oh, but that would be wrong. What would I do with two 67.5's. So I will be taking some pics of the car and setting up a photopoint site. Oh... did I mention that the car is for sale? It turns out that this car is owned by an eccentric gentleman that lives in the Wine Country area. He has had this car for over ten years and just doesnt find the time to drive it since he is driving his Ferrari's instead. It sat inside a garage and collected dust for years. Well, better in a warm garage in a warm part of the state then outside. This guy has no time for a Roadster List. No time for the internet. Hmmm... okay. I also think he want alot for the car. $16K. The car is not 100% complete as it is missing a few parts such as the chrome licence plate ring, the original tach... Otherwise, this car is sweet. Take care, Michael "Calspeed" Carion 67.5 SRL311-000248 Solex BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 00:48:59 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: mtarelka@home.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:48:21 EDT Subject: Re: New Horns, Relays and "Fixed" Switch in the Colimn boundary="-----------... In a message dated 9/18/00 4:46:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!, mtarelka@home.com writes: << Lastly, this is the "X rated" part - I was crusing and stopped at a local pub, this beautiful woman came out to look my car - she said "..it made her wet". Is this what you guys are always grinning about? >> Well, just get that new top from CDM and then she wont need to worry about getting wet. Geez... Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 06:47:10 2000 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:46:11 -0500 Subject: Fuel Pump Pressure Thanks for the responses, however I am still a little puzzled. How does the pump pick up fuel? Is it all pressure? The reason I ask is that I finally got it to pump after I poured about 4.5 gallons of fuel into the tank and my gauge showed that it was just about half full. I drove it around Friday night and got temporarily stranded 3 times due to fuel problems, but limped home. I got it going Saturday, went to the gas station and filled the tank full. So far, so good. My fear is that if I drive with less than a full tank I will loose pressure. Any thoughts? Oh yeah, I mounted the fuel pump above the fuel tank on the back of the trunk. Is this a bad spot? Thanks. Chris Brucciani Marietta, GA 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 08:23:12 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:19:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Fuel Pump Pressure Chris regarding the action of the fuel pump I offer these general comments. The pumps are based on displacement of a suitable "Piston". This is generally a rubber diaphragm activated by a solenoid in the case of an electric pump, or a lever arm off the cam on the cam shaft in the case of mechanical (Stock) units. In all cases the displacement of any "stroke" is small but the frequency (RPM) can be high. More like a vibration than a stroke. These pump strokes are controlled by a one way check valve that keeps the fluid from being pumped back to the source on the compression stroke. If the check valves are not working right, it will be impossible to build pressure. Remember, displacement countered by resistance builds pressure! No displacement, no pressure. No resistance, no pressure. The fuel lines always provide some resistance. No regarding the location of the pump. If the pump is located higher than the fuel level, the pump is required to "pump air" in order to bring fuel into the pump chamber. The pump must be capable of "pulling from draft". i.e. able to lift the fuel up to itself. Air, being elastic, pumps poorly with this type of pump. The check valves must be light and tight in order to pump out the air and "prime the pump". If the pump is below the fuel level, gravity will "wet" the suction side of the pump, and reduce the performance requirements to only moving liquid fuel. If the check valves are perfect, the fuel will be trapped in the pumping chamber, and the pumping action will start right off. If the fuel is allowed to drain back each time the pump is off, there will be some delay in building pressure while the pump builds pressure, and delivers fuel to the carbs. Sometimes, with an electric pump you can hear the pump start clicking when electric power is applied. If the fuel system has no return, you will note that the pumping action stops after a few seconds. The pressure has built up as high as it can. If the fuel system has a tank return, the fuel pump will circulate the fuel from and back to the fuel tank. My advice? Fill up your tank! Install a transparent fuel filter in the delivery line just before the carbs so you can see if fuel is making it's way to where it is required. You did install a good name pump? It should work at the tank top location. Did you bypass the mechanical pump, or are you in series? Regards Calvin Grandy Subject: Fuel Pump Pressure Any thoughts? Oh yeah, I mounted the fuel > pump above the fuel tank on the back of the trunk. Is this a bad spot? > Thanks. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 08:34:48 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:34:01 EDT Subject: Re: Fuel Pump Pressure In a message dated 9/18/00 5:48:57 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com writes: > Any thoughts? Oh yeah, I mounted the fuel > pump above the fuel tank on the back of the trunk. Is this a bad spot? Further back & the LOWER the better w/ elect. fuel pumps - this could very well be your problem !. Also, consider the possibility it may just not be working up to snuff. Maybe some "guck" was stirred up when you opened up the aft lines to install it - that might be causing some trouble too. OTOH, at one time I had a "quick roadside repair" electric on my 1600. It was mounted up right next to the stock pump. In theory, it really shouldn't have worked well at all, but for some reason it was fine. Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 09:42:57 2000 From: "Terry and Donna Cost" To: "Datsun Roadsters" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:35:19 -0500 Subject: Why I finished 29th at SCCA Nationals Hello fellow Roadsterites. I just got back from the SCCA Nationals in Topeka where I managed to beat one car out of the thirty in my class. I had a very good time and met some very nice people. I wasn't even close to the times the National Champion posted. I had a choice several months ago as to the tires I would run, and I chose the less sticky (and much longer lasting) Kumho tires in 205-55-14 size. The tire of choice for the trophy winners was Hoosier Autocross in 225-45-13 size, and one of my fellow competitors said he had used up 16 of them this season. They remind me of sticky black pencil erasers, and last about as long. They also cost about $150 apiece. That's a lot of money. And he didn't win. My 5.13 limited slip gave me all the power I could use, and the other two Roadsters also seemed to have plenty of power, but handling problems kept us out of the trophies. Someone suggested that the problem might be that I'm just a bog slow driver. I told her if she wanted a ride back to Texas she'd better not say that too loudly. I've said before that speed equals money, and how fast you want to go depends on how much you're willing to spend. I think that with different wheels and tires ($2000-$5000), suspension mods ($1000-$3000), a really good Solex engine ($2000-$5000), drivers school ($1000-$3000 even though I don't need it), a full season of seat time to sort things out ($300 per weekend) and updates/backdates/bodywork to the car allowed by the SCCA rules book ($2000-$5000) I could come close to competing nationally with the Roadster. That's if they don't change the rules and/or put me in another class and/or put something really fast into my class. I think that's what happened with the Harvey brothers. They put money into their Roadster a few years ago to compete against a different set of cars, and the rules have changed. New cars, new tires, new money. My times were about 5 seconds per day slower than the trophy cars. On a 50-60 second course, that's a 10% difference. If better tires could make a 2% difference, better suspension 2%, more horsepower 2%, weight management 2% (car and driver), attention to detail 2% (like wrapping the tires to keep them at optimum stickiness between runs), then I'd be in the trophy race. For only $20,000. I have a few pictures which I'll post to the new TDROC website Charlie Hubbard is hosting. If you have any questions I can answer about autocrossing, feel free to ask. They say it of golf and fishing, but it's also true of autocrossing. "Even the worst day of autocrossing beats the best day of work." Leisure Suit Terry From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 09:59:18 2000 From: "Ofarrell, Fergus" To: "'roadster.netlist'" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:56:42 -0700 Subject: ~Orange County, CA muffler shop Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:57:56 -0700 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" Subject: oc muffler shop Anyone hear of a good muffler shop in Orange county, CA that knows--or can learn--about roadster exhaust systems? Need someone who will take good care while waving a welding torch around. Hello, I'm getting my exhaust system done as well. I'm going this week to a place in Lawndale (kinda far from OC) that seems to be receptive and willing to be a bit inventive. I would recommend Gene's Muffler in Downey. Close friend of old girlfriend ran the shop for the owner, runs the shop for his own benefit on Saturdays. (big German immigrant named Frank, really nice guy) From the look of his custom 70's era Nova (with the all stainless exhaust) and his home garage (that had a painted floor), I'd say he does quality work and I'd go to him. The place I'm going is convenient to work and I just need a quickie job (floor panel behind drivers seat gets so hot that my window washer towels melt to the floor, I think that's a bad thing). Roadster sighting: Saw a roadster getting on the 110 Freeway North at Redondo Beach Blvd, ~6:15-6:30am last Monday morning, 9/11. Anyone on the list? Heard a little 'meeeep' and recognized the headlights. I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO DRIVES TO WORK IN THE DARK WITH THE TOP DOWN!! Fergus O'Farrell 69 2000 Huntington Beach From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 10:46:45 2000 From: "Robert J. Simmons" To: datsun-roadsters Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:47:34 -0500 Subject: JC (just curious) "the car is origional" Hi list As I said I'm curious about the latest roadster on Ebay. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441913826&r=0&t=0 The roadster seems to have '70 lights according to the info on Greg Valazza's site altho the ad states it is a '68. Is this just a "thing" with Datsun or is it "not exactly as shown", as they say? Rob Simmons From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 11:07:29 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: rsimmons2@home.com Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:06:34 PDT Subject: Re: JC (just curious) "the car is origional" I saw this car too. It does appear to be a 68 with 70 side markers. Probably at some point in its life it had some work done and the fenders were replaced and the side lights put on. VIN tells the tale. If the numbers match and it falls within the correct numbers, then it is a 68 car that has been slightly modified. Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex SoCalROC >From: "Robert J. Simmons" >Reply-To: "Robert J. Simmons" >To: datsun-roadsters >Subject: JC (just curious) "the car is origional" >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:47:34 -0500 > >Hi list > >As I said I'm curious about the latest roadster on Ebay. > >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441913826&r=0&t=0 > >The roadster seems to have '70 lights according to the info on Greg >Valazza's site altho the ad states it is a '68. Is this just a "thing" >with Datsun or is it "not exactly as shown", as they say? > >Rob Simmons > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 11:19:54 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:19:15 -0500 Subject: Re: JC (just curious) "the car is origional" Rob, VIN number and the rest of the details are '68 2000. Rear license light on the bumper is correct for '68, too. The front turn signal and rear reflectors are different for a '70 (unique items to that year). I suspect the side marker lights, from a '70 model, were added for safety reasons. Cheers, Tom Walter "Robert J. Simmons" wrote: > Hi list > > As I said I'm curious about the latest roadster on Ebay. > > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441913826&r=0&t=0 > > The roadster seems to have '70 lights according to the info on Greg > Valazza's site altho the ad states it is a '68. Is this just a "thing" > with Datsun or is it "not exactly as shown", as they say? > > Rob Simmons From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 11:58:30 2000 From: Gary McCormick To: Thomas Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:57:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Valve cover question I can confirm Thomas' ID on the valvecover - I've got one with the rest of the engine still attached sitting in my garage. They must have changed from "DATSUN" to "NISSAN" after '70, though, because the engine is out of my 1970 PL521 pickup ? gone to the wreckers 7 years ago now... 8^( . Gary McCormick San José, CA Thomas wrote: > It's an early L16 valve cover, I think. I havent seen many of them. > The first 240Z engines had a similar cover with DATSUN 2400 OHC. > They changed to NISSAN OHC from around 1970 or so. The first > Datsuns were sold in Sweden as late as 1971 so we only see the > early camcovers on imports. > > It might be worth something for the 510 owners. > > Thomas > the Swede > > Steve Harvey skrev: > > > Hello list, > > I recently purchased a non-functioning 1970 1600 engine/transmission. > > I'm planning on rebuilding the motor this winter. Along with the > > engine/trans., I got a box of parts. Included with those parts was an > > extra valve cover that says "DATSUN 1600 OHC" across the top. Does > > anyone know what year and model of car this cover was used on? I have no > > need for it and if someone can use it, let me know. > > Steve Harvey From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 13:15:52 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:17:12 -0700 Subject: Seattle Races List, I had another great time in Seattle this past weekend. It started with a stop at the Northwest Datsun Enthusiasts meeting. They are great people and I had alot of questions for them. I even won a prize. I met Robin before hand and followed her to the meeting. I finally met Gordon Glasgow in person after many conversations on the phone. It was fun after the meeting to go into the parking lot and look at what the members were driving. Craig Hooper has his supercharged U20 Roadster done, and it looks great. Sunday we stopped by Gordon's for a quick peak at his project and it is coming along nicely. Gordon joined us for the races at SIR and it was fun. I do think if you are going for the historic races the July 4th weekend are the ones to attend. They had at least four times as many cars at that event and most of the high dollar cars were missing this weekend. On the way home I was stopped by Pete Dills house to drop of parts . He had his Shasta third place winning 1600 there along with several other projects. he also had a 70' 1600 for sale in fairly good condition. I have pictures up on my photopoint site. They are not very good, but I think the ones that Gordon shot with his camera should be great. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=964436 Thanks to all the Seattle people I met for their hospitality ! Mike Nowroc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 14:17:02 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:16:42 -0700 Subject: OT - edmunds.com test drives in LA Hi, See http://www.edmunds.com/ - a car testing event in L.A., Calif. on 9/23/00 through 9/26/00, you can test drive over 120 cars on 8 test tracks. SoCal take note! 15 bucks (includes food and tshirt). I had a great time yesterday at the SF Bay Area test event. Me and my friend drove as many cars and trucks as we could, and nearly all in the near-luxury sedan track, mid-level sedan track, and SUV track. They let us drive them as hard as we wanted, without any warnings. Generally they won't bother you if you look like you're handling the course. Some of the cars were pigs and we almost wiped out because the rear ends were all over the place on turns, but we managed to make it through the day without hitting a single cone. However, the attendants were busy putting back the rubber skid strips on some turns every time we did a course! We had the most fun with the Lexus IS 300, revisiting it half a dozen times, our favorite in performance. Distant runner-up was the BMW 323i. Sad to say that the Infiniti I30 didn't handle as well. The lines for Japanese and European cars were long, the lines for American cars were empty. We tried the American cars, most were horrible performers but we were surprised that the Chrysler 300M handled very well. With the SUV's, the Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer was the worst (as expected). Lots of wheel hop and bouncing on turns, difficult to control. The course included dirt berms and hills. We were surprised to find that the Nissan Xterra and Pathfinder performed best out of all the SUV's we tested. Fred - So.SF, CA BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 14:37:27 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:33:27 EDT Subject: Re: OT - edmunds.com test drives in LA In a message dated 9/18/00 9:19:36 PM GMT Daylight Time, Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us writes: << The lines for Japanese and European cars were long, the lines for American cars were empty. >> What about the Yugo? Fred, sounds like a great day out - nothing like that goes on in the UK. Almost sounds like it's worth the air ticket over there. Rob The Classic Yugo Sedan Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 15:56:12 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:53:58 +0200 Subject: Re: OT - edmunds.com test drives in LA - Yugo. Yugo? Milosevic shot the factory to pieces a long time ago. Any leftovers are used as spares in Belgrad. Parts with less than 2 bulletholes goes for full price. Thomas the Swede RoadsteRob@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/18/00 9:19:36 PM GMT Daylight Time, > Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us writes: > > << The lines for Japanese and European cars were long, the lines for American > cars were empty. >> > > What about the Yugo? > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 18:02:03 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Robert J. Simmons" , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:57:27 -0400 Subject: Re: JC (just curious) "the car is origional" Rear resonator is wrong too. But I'm nit picking. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert J. Simmons To: datsun-roadsters Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:47 PM Subject: JC (just curious) "the car is origional" > Hi list > > As I said I'm curious about the latest roadster on Ebay. > > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441913826 &r=0&t=0 > > The roadster seems to have '70 lights according to the info on Greg > Valazza's site altho the ad states it is a '68. Is this just a "thing" > with Datsun or is it "not exactly as shown", as they say? > > Rob Simmons > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 18:07:11 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:53:48 PDT Subject: Another 67 2000 for sale Hello All, After the small debacle with the guy who advertised his 68 2000 as a "car MANUFACTURED in late 67", another 67 2000 has appeared for sale on Traderonline. Certainly not as nice as the yellow Canadian Solex that Mike Young has for sale. This one sounds like a project car. Does anyone know this car? Andrew Murphy 67 2000 Solex SoCalROC http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?4063058 _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 18:42:40 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "Andrew Murphy" , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:44:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Another 67 2000 for sale The car is in Delaware. Sounds like a job for Mark Dent! Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Murphy To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 8:11 PM Subject: Another 67 2000 for sale >Hello All, > >After the small debacle with the guy who advertised his 68 2000 as a "car >MANUFACTURED in late 67", another 67 2000 has appeared for sale on >Traderonline. > >Certainly not as nice as the yellow Canadian Solex that Mike Young has for >sale. This one sounds like a project car. Does anyone know this car? > >Andrew Murphy >67 2000 Solex >SoCalROC > >http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?4063058 >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 19:03:51 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:02:30 EDT Subject: Fuel Pump Pressure Chris, I had a thought, if your fuel hose from the gas tank to the fuel pump is thin walled wimpy hose, The walls of the hose may be collapsing and cause a plug in the fuel line. The weight of the fuel and sucking action of the pump will do this, if you can pinch the hose closed with your fingers you need a sturdier fuel line between the tank and pump. Larry From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 19:53:06 2000 From: "Dave Mehl" To: "ROADSTER LIST" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:10:53 -0700 Subject: Washington State TAXED (OT) Greetings fellow enthusiasts, Please excuse (delete) this if your not from WA. If you are from WA. read on so you might see what the bums in charge are doing to us. I KNOW this will affect the way I will vote in the future. As I mentioned a while ago, I purchased an 86 300 ZX as a spare car. In trying to register this car with the DMV I ran into some problems. The first problem is that our beloved State Godvernment has decreed that they are the sole agency that can determine the value of a vehicle. While I actually paid $2,200, and got a dated, and signed receipt, they insist that the car is worth $4,400. They will not recognize the receipt from the seller, and I shall therefore be taxed on the full $4,400. A tax of about $360 + the other related fees. (high blue book on this car is $3,700 for low mi. in good condition, with all options.) I was then told to get estimates for repairs totaling $2,200 to prove the reduced value. Ever try that? "I'm not really going to fix this right now, but I need an estimate because..." I've found that some people can be quite rude if they think you're trying to waste they're precious time. So it looks like the State will have they're nasty little way with me in this regard. It's a shame to live under a Godvernment that thinks the citizens will falsify documents, and lie, simply to escape over taxation. So... if you're considering the purchase of another car, I advise you to wait until after the elections to see if this changes back to the way it was. Happy roadstering, Dave. SRL311-10444 86 300 ZX NOWROC (And no, they weren't interested in buying it from me. Even though I told them I'd sell it for $3,500.) >:-( From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 20:20:35 2000 From: VulForge@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:19:52 EDT Subject: Stan's number Hello, All! Anyone have Stan Chernoff's phone number handy? Thanks! Russell Criswell Kansas City MO 67 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 20:22:20 2000 From: "Rob Robinson" To: "Terry and Donna Cost" , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:21:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Why I finished 29th at SCCA Nationals >The tire of choice for the trophy winners > was Hoosier Autocross in 225-45-13 size, and one of my fellow competitors > said he had used up 16 of them this season. They remind me of sticky black > pencil erasers, and last about as long. They also cost about $150 apiece. > That's a lot of money I've been using Hoosier Autocrosser 245/45/15 and Hoosier A3S03 Radial 225/45/15 for several years now, and I consistently get 120 - 130 runs out of a set before they either harden or wear to the cords. The only other competition tires I have personal experience with are Yokohama A008Rtu, A008RS &A008RS2, M&H slicks and Hoosier slicks. The Hoosier DOT bias ply and radial tires seem to last as long as any of these. If the car isn't set up right, the driver is hard on the tires, or the car competes in lots of events, it really won't matter what type of tire you select - you'll go through several sets each season. Most of the top drivers at Nationals go to a major event EVERY weekend, and sometimes 2 events per weekend. With a schedule like that, it isn't hard to imagine going through 16 in a season. Rob Robinson (merely average driver) CSP 67 2000 (above average Roadster) Roanoke, VA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 20:59:22 2000 From: "jerry gallagher" To: "Dave Mehl" , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:54:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Washington State TAXED (OT) Dave, Sorry to hear about your problems with the licensing your 300ZX. I just went through transferring the title for my '90 Audi Coupe Quattro and getting the license tabs for my Alfa GTV6 and Ford F150. I was expecting to get the usual treatment but actually it went very smoothly -- in and out in less than 10 minutes. I was even able to use the emissions test from last year when I bought the Alfa to get the tabs. I didn't know the emissions tests were good for 12 months -- the inmates at the testing facility were feeling more human than usual. The pretty, courteous young woman at the licensing agency (Mill Creek) had me sign an affidavit specifying the amount I was spending on the Audi repairs as being the reason why the purchase price was below the DMV's tax base for the car. I paid tax on the amount I paid for the car. The young gal also suggested buying the license tabs for the Audi even though they were not due for another month as a way to save an additional $15. The big smile and "have a nice day" from the young woman as I left were just pleasant extras. The short of the message is that the workers at the licensing agencies have some discretion as to the hoops they make you jump through. Sure, the DMV sets guidelines for the agencies to follow but from my own experiences it's the people at the licensing agencies that cause most of the grief. While I was in similar situation as you in paying less than the DMV's tax base for the car the person assisting me was very helpful and because of that our outcomes were much different. All in all not a totally unpleasant experience -- kinda like showing up at the dentist's office expecting a root canal and only needing a cleaning and having to listen to the standard lecture about flossing more frequently. Usually doesn't happen that way for me -- was so pleased had to hit the rev limiter in 4 out of 5 gears in the Alfa on the way home. Jerry '69 2000 '86 Alfa GTV6 '90 Audi Coupe Quattro '98 Ford F-150 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Mehl To: ROADSTER LIST Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 6:10 AM Subject: Washington State TAXED (OT) > Greetings fellow enthusiasts, > > Please excuse (delete) this if your not from WA. > > If you are from WA. read on so you might see what the bums in charge are > doing to us. I KNOW this will affect the way I will vote in the future. > > > (And no, they weren't interested in buying it from me. Even though I told > them I'd sell it for $3,500.) >:-( > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 21:04:25 2000 From: Todd Greenwalt To: Dave Mehl Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:56:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Washington State TAXED (OT) I had the same problem with a '90 mx-6 with bad engine. They gave me a form to have the seller sign. I just received the signed form and will bring it in tomorrow, but I am under the impression that I will only have to pay tax on the actual value if the form is signed. Give this a shot. Dave Mehl wrote: > > Greetings fellow enthusiasts, > > Please excuse (delete) this if your not from WA. > > If you are from WA. read on so you might see what the bums in charge are > doing to us. I KNOW this will affect the way I will vote in the future. > > As I mentioned a while ago, I purchased an 86 300 ZX as a spare car. In > trying to register this car with the DMV I ran into some problems. The first > problem is that our beloved State Godvernment has decreed that they are the > sole agency that can determine the value of a vehicle. While I actually paid > $2,200, and got a dated, and signed receipt, they insist that the car is > worth $4,400. They will not recognize the receipt from the seller, and I > shall therefore be taxed on the full $4,400. A tax of about $360 + the other > related fees. (high blue book on this car is $3,700 for low mi. in good > condition, with all options.) I was then told to get estimates for repairs > totaling $2,200 to prove the reduced value. Ever try that? "I'm not really > going to fix this right now, but I need an estimate because..." I've found > that some people can be quite rude if they think you're trying to waste > they're precious time. So it looks like the State will have they're nasty > little way with me in this regard. It's a shame to live under a Godvernment > that thinks the citizens will falsify documents, and lie, simply to escape > over taxation. So... if you're considering the purchase of another car, I > advise you to wait until after the elections to see if this changes back to > the way it was. > > Happy roadstering, > Dave. > SRL311-10444 > 86 300 ZX > NOWROC > > (And no, they weren't interested in buying it from me. Even though I told > them I'd sell it for $3,500.) >:-( From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 22:13:09 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:12:02 PDT Subject: Something for Roadster Rob All, Often we hear from "Roadster Rob" who seems to be our only voice in the UK. I often like to point out cars for sale here in the USA, but have never heard of one for sale in the UK. So I stumbled across this website. Don't know if it's old or new or if Rob already knows this car. Rob? Andrew Murphy 67.5 2000 Solex SoCalROC http://ds.dial.pipex.com/cambridge.motorsport/sales.htm _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 18 23:22:20 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:18:38 -0700 Subject: steering question Thanks to all for the info on my steering tube question. The washers, it turns out, are about an inch in diameter and have indents pressed into the outer edges at three places. The indents form small barbs on one side of the washer, which I suppose will help to keep the steering tube centered when I tighten it up. Found them in a dixie cup full of rubber parts! Thanks again. Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 00:30:42 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: solex67@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:28:33 EDT Subject: Re: Something for Roadster Rob Hi Andrew << So I stumbled across this website. Don't know if it's old or new or if Rob already knows this car. >> I was looking forward to seeing this car when CMS brought her over (about 2 years ago now). When I went down to view her I was mildly suspicious of the rare 500 Solex car tag on a 1968 car - She was in fact a 1968 Canadian high screen car with original Solex option. A very nice car nonetheless with Momo alloys - she was featured in Classic Car magazine that year. CMS didnt change the ad and the car was that year sold into Belgium for the asking price. CMS brought another car over, a nice red SU 2000, which Chris Schauff took back to Belgium last month. We have one '67 Solex over here which I'm convinced will never see the light of day. (chassis and body are 200 miles apart and have been for over 10 years). Don't know the ID No.and the owner will not budge - one day!! Regards again Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 02:18:38 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:17:45 +0200 Subject: Re: Something for Roadster Rob ...and they want about US$10200.- for it. Is that what they sell for in the USA too? Is the value of the car in the Solex carbs? I have seen cars in Germany for half this price. Thomas the Swede Andrew Murphy wrote: > All, > > Often we hear from "Roadster Rob" who seems to be our only voice in the UK. > I often like to point out cars for sale here in the USA, but have never > heard of one for sale in the UK. > > So I stumbled across this website. Don't know if it's old or new or if Rob > already knows this car. > > Rob? > > Andrew Murphy > 67.5 2000 Solex > SoCalROC > > http://ds.dial.pipex.com/cambridge.motorsport/sales.htm > > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 04:27:25 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "Dave Mehl" , Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:07:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Washington State TAXED (OT) SAVE YOUR PAPER WORK!! The great state of Ohio tried this about 15 years ago. They would except a dealers trade in value but not a car bought from an private tax payer. Their values were set by some blue book that was much higher than NADA or Edmunds. It lasted a couple of years and then was repealed. Those with proof of the taxes paid could file for a refund. Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: Dave Mehl To: ROADSTER LIST Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: Washington State TAXED (OT) >Greetings fellow enthusiasts, > >Please excuse (delete) this if your not from WA. > >If you are from WA. read on so you might see what the bums in charge are >doing to us. I KNOW this will affect the way I will vote in the future. > >As I mentioned a while ago, I purchased an 86 300 ZX as a spare car. In >trying to register this car with the DMV I ran into some problems. The first >problem is that our beloved State Godvernment has decreed that they are the >sole agency that can determine the value of a vehicle. While I actually paid >$2,200, and got a dated, and signed receipt, they insist that the car is >worth $4,400. They will not recognize the receipt from the seller, and I >shall therefore be taxed on the full $4,400. A tax of about $360 + the other >related fees. (high blue book on this car is $3,700 for low mi. in good >condition, with all options.) I was then told to get estimates for repairs >totaling $2,200 to prove the reduced value. Ever try that? "I'm not really >going to fix this right now, but I need an estimate because..." I've found >that some people can be quite rude if they think you're trying to waste >they're precious time. So it looks like the State will have they're nasty >little way with me in this regard. It's a shame to live under a Godvernment >that thinks the citizens will falsify documents, and lie, simply to escape >over taxation. So... if you're considering the purchase of another car, I >advise you to wait until after the elections to see if this changes back to >the way it was. > >Happy roadstering, >Dave. >SRL311-10444 >86 300 ZX >NOWROC > >(And no, they weren't interested in buying it from me. Even though I told >them I'd sell it for $3,500.) >:-( > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 04:32:02 2000 From: WCHMCH@aol.com To: waterback@worldnet.att.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:31:33 EDT Subject: Re: Washington State TAXED (OT) WA is not the only state to do this. Years ago ('93) when I bought a new sportscar, Fairfax County, Virginia assessed it for "personal property tax" purposes at more than sticker, and at almost 27% more than I paid. When I formally protested, their response was that they rely on valuation software, period. This of course is just dishonest, but they are stealing from you because they can. My only consolation is that the current governor of VA was elected on a campaign whose major platform was repeal of the hated "car tax." I also figure that, if this is the worst the tax guys ever do to me, I'll have been lucky. Bill '69 2000 No longer in VA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 07:18:40 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Dave Mehl" , Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:14:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Washington State TAXED (OT) NY has the same deal except they will be lenient re: the value. As long as you don't low ball it too much they won't hassle you or can prove that the cars are truly in horrible shape. I had to do that with my roadster when I registered it for the first time. They couldn't believe I bought the car for only $200. I took some photos and then they believed me. I also had the same problem when I re-registered the car in my name after my Dad died. This time I brought ALL my bills indicating who paid for all the parts and they were stunned at the 1.5" thick stack. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Mehl To: ROADSTER LIST Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Washington State TAXED (OT) > Greetings fellow enthusiasts, > > Please excuse (delete) this if your not from WA. > > If you are from WA. read on so you might see what the bums in charge are > doing to us. I KNOW this will affect the way I will vote in the future. > > As I mentioned a while ago, I purchased an 86 300 ZX as a spare car. In > trying to register this car with the DMV I ran into some problems. The first > problem is that our beloved State Godvernment has decreed that they are the > sole agency that can determine the value of a vehicle. While I actually paid > $2,200, and got a dated, and signed receipt, they insist that the car is > worth $4,400. They will not recognize the receipt from the seller, and I > shall therefore be taxed on the full $4,400. A tax of about $360 + the other > related fees. (high blue book on this car is $3,700 for low mi. in good > condition, with all options.) I was then told to get estimates for repairs > totaling $2,200 to prove the reduced value. Ever try that? "I'm not really > going to fix this right now, but I need an estimate because..." I've found > that some people can be quite rude if they think you're trying to waste > they're precious time. So it looks like the State will have they're nasty > little way with me in this regard. It's a shame to live under a Godvernment > that thinks the citizens will falsify documents, and lie, simply to escape > over taxation. So... if you're considering the purchase of another car, I > advise you to wait until after the elections to see if this changes back to > the way it was. > > Happy roadstering, > Dave. > SRL311-10444 > 86 300 ZX > NOWROC > > (And no, they weren't interested in buying it from me. Even though I told > them I'd sell it for $3,500.) >:-( > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 08:31:49 2000 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:31:32 -0500 Subject: X-Rated :) >>Lastly, this is the "X rated" part - I was crusing and stopped at a >>local pub, this beautiful woman came out to look my car - she said "..it >>made her wet". Is this what you guys are always grinning about? That's pretty funny. While cruising with my wife one night this summer, I was stopped at a light with some teenage girls behind me in an Eclipse. Upon turning green, I shot outta there pretty quick (just for grins). When they caught up to me, they pulled up beside us and lifted their shirts to flash their boobs! WooHoo! Chris Brucciani Marietta, GA 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 08:38:51 2000 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:38:42 -0500 Subject: Oil Filter Does anyone have the part number handy for a Datsun oil filter? Thanks. Chris Brucciani 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 10:46:23 2000 From: shifty To: roadsters Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:44:21 -0700 Subject: 1500 badge Anyone have for sale a "Datsun 1500" badge for the rear of the car? Or perhaps a suggestion for a "1500" badge from another car? Leigh Brooks BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 10:46:24 2000 From: shifty To: roadsters Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:43:10 -0700 Subject: brake lines I went ahead and got the tools to bend and flare brake lines for my 1500. It turned out to be fairly easy, although bending the lines is a real 3D puzzle. Took me a few times to get things going the correct way. Flaring is a little tougher - got a double flair kit, and it takes about three tries to get it right. Just make sure you cut the lines a bit long! Leigh Brooks BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 11:45:21 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: csp311@telia.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:44:10 EDT Subject: Re: Something for Roadster Rob ..and they want about US$10200.- for it. Is that what they sell for in the USA too? My 2000 (without Solex carbs) was the equivalent of $4200, my 1600 was around $1200. There is no such thing as a 'going price' over here because there are so few. Rob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 13:02:29 2000 From: "eugene kay" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:01:46 GMT Subject: spring clip- on vertical throttle-bar Hi List: Is this part available anywhere? Mine's missing and I've never seen one. The spring clip holds the bottom throttle cable(to the carbs) on the verticle throttle pivot bar. Nissan does not list a part# for it. Hmmm. Thx for any input, Eugene Kay '69 2000 _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 13:25:03 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:32:45 -0700 Subject: Re: X-Rated :) Good grief, I have GOT to get my roadster assembled. Times a wastin. Don't tell my whif why I am newly inspired....it will be our little secret. Just wait until I tell my buddies at "Old Farts R Us" what side benefits my are included in Roadster ownership. They thought it was just limited to excessive tool purchasing. Guy 67.5 SPL 311 Tempe, AZ Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com wrote: > >>Lastly, this is the "X rated" part - I was crusing and stopped at a > >>local pub, this beautiful woman came out to look my car - she said "..it > >>made her wet". Is this what you guys are always grinning about? > > That's pretty funny. While cruising with my wife one night this summer, I > was stopped at a light with some teenage girls behind me in an Eclipse. > Upon turning green, I shot outta there pretty quick (just for grins). When > they caught up to me, they pulled up beside us and lifted their shirts to > flash their boobs! WooHoo! > > Chris Brucciani > Marietta, GA > 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 13:26:39 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:34:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Oil Filter Chris, My 1600 uses a Fram #PH 3639. Guy Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com wrote: > Does anyone have the part number handy for a Datsun oil filter? Thanks. > > Chris Brucciani > 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 14:44:38 2000 From: Thomas To: RoadsteRob@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:43:02 +0200 Subject: Re: Something for Roadster Rob I just thought the price was much higher than what I have seen previously this year. If they can sell it for that price they are good businessmen or the price is on the way up. There's one green 1968 1600 (it looks like a low screen so it's older) for sale in Germany for DEM 9900.- or US$ 4400.- Look at: http://www.mobil.de Select oldtimer and Nissan in the menu. It's been there a long time. 6 months ago it was DEM 12600.- or about US$ 5600.- There are not so few of them in the USA. In Europe, yes. Thomas the Swede RoadsteRob@aol.com wrote: > ..and they want about US$10200.- for it. > Is that what they sell for in the USA too? > > My 2000 (without Solex carbs) was the equivalent of $4200, my 1600 was around > $1200. There is no such thing as a 'going price' over here because there are > so few. > > Rob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 16:11:11 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: "Dave Mehl" , Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:35:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Washington State TAXED (OT) Dave Vermont does the same. I pulled a non-roadster out of the woods and fixed it up as a winter runner. It actually cam out nice. Vt motor vehicles valued it at over $2k and I had less than $200 into it. Same thing, get a dealer or a repair station to give an estimate, and you can get out. The problem is it costs about the same for an estimate as the difference in tax. Regards Calvin Grandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Mehl To: ROADSTER LIST Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Washington State TAXED (OT) > Greetings fellow enthusiasts, > > Please excuse (delete) this if your not from WA. > > If you are from WA. read on so you might see what the bums in charge are > doing to us. I KNOW this will affect the way I will vote in the future. > > As I mentioned a while ago, I purchased an 86 300 ZX as a spare car. In > trying to register this car with the DMV I ran into some problems. The first > problem is that our beloved State Godvernment has decreed that they are the > sole agency that can determine the value of a vehicle. While I actually paid > $2,200, and got a dated, and signed receipt, they insist that the car is > worth $4,400. They will not recognize the receipt from the seller, and I > shall therefore be taxed on the full $4,400. A tax of about $360 + the other > related fees. (high blue book on this car is $3,700 for low mi. in good > condition, with all options.) I was then told to get estimates for repairs > totaling $2,200 to prove the reduced value. Ever try that? "I'm not really > going to fix this right now, but I need an estimate because..." I've found > that some people can be quite rude if they think you're trying to waste > they're precious time. So it looks like the State will have they're nasty > little way with me in this regard. It's a shame to live under a Godvernment > that thinks the citizens will falsify documents, and lie, simply to escape > over taxation. So... if you're considering the purchase of another car, I > advise you to wait until after the elections to see if this changes back to > the way it was. > > Happy roadstering, > Dave. > SRL311-10444 > 86 300 ZX > NOWROC > > (And no, they weren't interested in buying it from me. Even though I told > them I'd sell it for $3,500.) >:-( From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 17:44:47 2000 From: "Dave Mehl" To: "ROADSTER LIST" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:02:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Washington State TAXED (OT) Greetings all, Thanks for all the responces on this matter. It seems that I'm not alone in this after all. I got a sugestion to get an apraisal from a car lot, and send that in. So after calling around I found a place that would give me the paper work I needed on the cheap. Sorry about venting on the list, but I really felt better after letting off a little steam. Thanx again, Dave. NOWROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 18:41:23 2000 From: Nathen Ruffcorn To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Low Windscreen Trivia! May this isn't really "trivia" as I do not know the answer but respond if you know. When did they start/stop putting brass grommets behind the interior window crack and door release knobs (between the knobs and the door panels)? I have two 67's-one has plastic and one has the brass? Just when I thought I knew almost all the quirks..... Nathan From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 18:44:44 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: X-Rated :) Chris, I'm sure your wife really appreciated the act of kindness. Probably if you were by yourself that woulda never happened. You can thank your wife. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: X-Rated :) > >>Lastly, this is the "X rated" part - I was crusing and stopped at a > >>local pub, this beautiful woman came out to look my car - she said "..it > >>made her wet". Is this what you guys are always grinning about? > > That's pretty funny. While cruising with my wife one night this summer, I > was stopped at a light with some teenage girls behind me in an Eclipse. > Upon turning green, I shot outta there pretty quick (just for grins). When > they caught up to me, they pulled up beside us and lifted their shirts to > flash their boobs! WooHoo! > > Chris Brucciani > Marietta, GA > 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 19:10:33 2000 From: Doris To: Dave Mehl Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:08:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Washington State TAXED (OT) Bad ole money grubbin States! :O) Dave Mehl wrote: > Sorry about venting on the list, but I really felt better after letting off > a little steam. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 19:27:44 2000 From: "Adam Fox" To: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:24:17 +1000 Subject: Re: X-Rated :) I hope this sort of thing happens in Australia too! Thanks for getting me Xtra keen on finishing this resto!!! Adam Fox 65 1500 71 2LFJ20 Turbo 510 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:31 AM > Subject: X-Rated :) > > > > >>Lastly, this is the "X rated" part - I was crusing and stopped at a > > >>local pub, this beautiful woman came out to look my car - she said "..it > > >>made her wet". Is this what you guys are always grinning about? > > > > That's pretty funny. While cruising with my wife one night this summer, I > > was stopped at a light with some teenage girls behind me in an Eclipse. > > Upon turning green, I shot outta there pretty quick (just for grins). > When > > they caught up to me, they pulled up beside us and lifted their shirts to > > flash their boobs! WooHoo! > > > > Chris Brucciani > > Marietta, GA > > 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 19:40:59 2000 From: Russell Southwell To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:35:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Oil Filter Chris Auto Zone Deutsch 601,Fram 2825,2850. Lee-LH-42P. Wix 51512. Napa 1512. Penske 3600. AC-PF-34. Motorcraft FL-13. Nissan 15209-13210 or 15208-65002. Toyota 15601-33021. Bosch 72 or 133 Beck /Arnley 8889. Crossland 2035. Pennzoil PZ-8. Russ Southwell 70 1600 Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com wrote: > Does anyone have the part number handy for a Datsun oil filter? Thanks. > > Chris Brucciani > 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 19:45:41 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Nathen Ruffcorn" , Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:41:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Low Windscreen Trivia! I have disassembled several early cars and never saw brass used behind either handles. Has anyone else seen these???? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathen Ruffcorn To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: Low Windscreen Trivia! > May this isn't really "trivia" as I do not know the answer but respond if > you know. > > > When did they start/stop putting brass grommets behind the interior window > crack and door release knobs (between the knobs and the door panels)? I > have two 67's-one has plastic and one has the brass? > > Just when I thought I knew almost all the quirks..... > > > Nathan > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 20:00:37 2000 From: "Taro Kusunose" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:00:13 PDT Subject: Re: Washington State TAXED (OT) My experience wasn't as bad. Actually, my wife registered my roadster for me. At first, shock and dismay that the DMV wouldn't take our transaction price as the taxable amount. Then my wife was told that if we could show proof that what we paid was a reasonable amount, then they would accept our price. So, my wife took in a printout of Datsun 1600 ads from traderonline.com in, and they said "OK." This was at the Factoria DMV office. Taro _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 20:08:32 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:10:57 -0400 Subject: Datsun oil filter # Chris, Just in case you really wanted the Datsun part number: 15208-13210 for a U20 2000 and R 1600 after SN R-02312. Prior to that the 1600 had a replaceable cartridge filter 15200-32201, later replaced by 15200-38701. Paul OROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 20:27:43 2000 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:27:02 EDT Subject: Fwd: X-Rated :) --part1_c2.c7f815.26f97a76_boundary I can hear it now, "They did WHAT!!! No dear, I didn't see a thing, honest. You know I don't have eyes for anyone but you." In a message dated 9/19/00 5:47:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, datsunmike@nyc.rr.com writes: << Subj: Re: X-Rated :) Date: 9/19/00 5:47:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com (datsunmike) Sender: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Reply-to: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com (datsunmike) To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Chris, I'm sure your wife really appreciated the act of kindness. Probably if you were by yourself that woulda never happened. You can thank your wife. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: X-Rated :) > >>Lastly, this is the "X rated" part - I was crusing and stopped at a > >>local pub, this beautiful woman came out to look my car - she said "..it > >>made her wet". Is this what you guys are always grinning about? > > That's pretty funny. While cruising with my wife one night this summer, I > was stopped at a light with some teenage girls behind me in an Eclipse. > Upon turning green, I shot outta there pretty quick (just for grins). When > they caught up to me, they pulled up beside us and lifted their shirts to > flash their boobs! WooHoo! > > Chris Brucciani > Marietta, GA > 1968 2000 --part1_c2.c7f815.26f97a76_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (v75_b4.3) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:47:01 -0400 Received: from teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (teamfat2.dsl.aros.net [207.173.21.42]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:45:58 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8K0iOS07248 for datsun-roadsters-actors; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:44:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: teamfat2.dsl.aros.net: majordom set sender to owner-datsun-roadsters@Autox.Team.Net using -f Message-ID: <001701c0229b$5ac7e960$3a19a818@nyc.rr.com> From: "datsunmike" To: , References: <5A56E4BDCBF7D3118CEF00508BA541E3115EEC@kans025cercge.erc.gecapital.com> Subject: Re: X-Rated :) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:40:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "datsunmike" Chris, I'm sure your wife really appreciated the act of kindness. Probably if you were by yourself that woulda never happened. You can thank your wife. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: X-Rated :) > >>Lastly, this is the "X rated" part - I was crusing and stopped at a > >>local pub, this beautiful woman came out to look my car - she said "..it > >>made her wet". Is this what you guys are always grinning about? > > That's pretty funny. While cruising with my wife one night this summer, I > was stopped at a light with some teenage girls behind me in an Eclipse. > Upon turning green, I shot outta there pretty quick (just for grins). When > they caught up to me, they pulled up beside us and lifted their shirts to > flash their boobs! WooHoo! > > Chris Brucciani > Marietta, GA > 1968 2000 --part1_c2.c7f815.26f97a76_boundary-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 20:34:47 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:31:07 -0700 Subject: electrical system questions Is the electrical system on the 67.5 a negative ground. I believe that I have seen that the early cars had positive ground. If it is negative ground when did it get switched at the factory. Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 20:47:53 2000 From: "William Hatfield" To: "Nathen Ruffcorn" , Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:47:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Low Windscreen Trivia! Hi all: I would bet that the brass ones are replacements. My early 67 has plastic and my 66 also, I should say had on the 66 because the sun has baked them almost to a powder. Bill 66&67spls in NM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathen Ruffcorn" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:40 PM Subject: Low Windscreen Trivia! > May this isn't really "trivia" as I do not know the answer but respond if > you know. > > > When did they start/stop putting brass grommets behind the interior window > crack and door release knobs (between the knobs and the door panels)? I > have two 67's-one has plastic and one has the brass? > > Just when I thought I knew almost all the quirks..... > > > Nathan > > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 21:17:38 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:13:34 -0700 Subject: vinyl question Getting the patterns done for interior vinyl replacement and it just hit me--what type of glue is used to hold the vinyl to the metal? Anyone with appliction experience I would appreciate input! Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 21:37:15 2000 From: Magic1910@aol.com To: plhbauman@earthlink.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:36:29 EDT Subject: Re: vinyl question In a message dated 9/19/00 8:21:36 PM, plhbauman@earthlink.net writes: << what type of glue is used to hold the vinyl to the metal? Anyone with appliction experience I would appreciate input! >> I used 3M General Trim Adhesive and 3M Super Trim Adhesive. Either one works great. Good luck, Greg Morrison SRL31100005 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 22:06:27 2000 From: Roman Rist To: R Haug , Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: electrical system questions --- R Haug wrote: > Is the electrical system on the 67.5 a negative ground. I believe > that > I have seen that the early cars had positive ground. If it is > negative > ground when did it get switched at the factory. > Bob Bob, the 67.5 is neg ground as far as I know 66 on up are all neg grnd. 65 and before I'm not sure of Roman Rist > > ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 22:44:42 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: plhbauman@earthlink.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:43:59 EDT Subject: Re: vinyl question In a message dated 9/20/00 3:21:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!, plhbauman@earthlink.net writes: << Anyone with appliction experience I would appreciate input! >> I just installed a complete vinyl kit from CDM this year. I used a product called contact cement. There are several different companies that produce such a product. It either comes in a tube, small bottle or can. Buy a quart size can and several cheap paint brushes. This should be enough for the entire interior plus extra if it comes loose later. You apply the glue/cement to the vinyl and also to the metal. Let it dry as per the instructions. Usually 10 minutes is enough if installed in warm weather. Apply the glue covered vinyl to the metal and it will stick immediately. And once it is stuck it will be very very difficult to remove. So make sure that you prefit the pieces and get a good idea on how it should be placed. Be careful not to get any glue on the colored side of the vinyl. It is a tedious job to clean up. I used rubber gloves when I installed the interior. My gloves were covered with glue. Better my gloves then my hands. But the choice is yours. I would also recommend that you paint the interior metal while it is stripped of the old interior. The painting and interior kit took me almost two weeks to install. I took my time and am very happy with the results. Michael "Calspeed" Carion Sora Blue 67.5 2000 with Red Interior BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 23:20:04 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" , Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0700 Subject: Re: your pictures Bob: I put the grommet into the body first. I tried it both ways, but I found it easier to set the grommet, grease up the filler pipe and rubber with ArmorAll and push the pipe through while still damp. It was a new grommet and a tight fit, but the cap end of the pipe will push through if you take it easy. Paul > I was just looking at the pictures of your car and saw the gas filler tube. > I would like to know if you put the big round grommet on the filler tube > first and then pushed the grommet over the metal of the rear panel. Or did > you do the grommet first in the panel and then push the filler neck through > the hole? > Thanks > Bob > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 23:24:57 2000 From: "Mike Adams" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:32:20 +0000 Subject: Re: vinyl question I use a panel adhesive - Liquid Nail - it holds well in high temps, I have experenced 3m products letting go in Texas summer heat sometimes. It comes in a big tube which you use a caulk gun to apply. It is relatively cheap and less toxic and more forgiving than contact cement. Mike From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 23:38:23 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: Roadster List Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:43:53 -0700 Subject: Some people have all the luck I just got a note from a guy who found my Web site. Here's how it starts: "Hi, I just got my first roadster and boy am I stoked. I live in El Segundo and my neighbor is John Morton." Rough life! I pointed him to the list and SoCalROC. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 19 23:42:30 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: Roadster List Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:48:09 -0700 Subject: Beyond ugly Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.html -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 01:41:16 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Gordon Glasgow , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Some people have all the luck > > "Hi, I just got my first roadster and boy am I stoked. I live in El > Segundo and my neighbor is John > Morton." Hate to sound like an idiot, but who the hell is John Morton? Enlighten me please. thanks, Roman Rist __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 01:57:51 2000 From: "fredkatz" To: "Gordon Glasgow" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:57:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly Whoa! You ain't kidding! My first impression of this car was of Mr. Bill just before something disastrous happening ("Oh no!!!"). For you younger guys, Mr. Bill was a clay figure on Saturday Night Live, something bad always happened to him. Fred BADROC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "Roadster List" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:48 PM Subject: Beyond ugly > Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.html > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 03:14:37 2000 From: Gary McCormick To: Gordon Glasgow Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:13:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly I like this bit from the text: "Squint a little bit and you can see the TT. Squint a bit harder and Audi hopes that you can see the famed Auto Union Silver Arrows of the Thirties, the cars of Tazio Nuvolari and Bernd Rosemeyer. " I say, "Forget squinting - go ahead and close your eyes, and then you don't have to look at it at all!" Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Gordon Glasgow wrote: > Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.html > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 03:30:30 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "Gordon Glasgow" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:31:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly The grill looks like PACMAN after 20 years of Krispy Kream donuts! I think Audi borrowed the Buggetti designers. Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Glasgow To: Roadster List Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:48 AM Subject: Beyond ugly >Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... > >http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.html > >-- >Gordon Glasgow >http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 06:33:27 2000 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:32:06 -0500 Subject: Oil Filters - Again Thanks for all the responses. Does anyone know if the 15208-H8920 is the same as a 15208-13210 or 15208-65002? Please sya it's so as I may be stuck with two of them at $15 a piece. (Placed a hasty order). Chris Brucciani 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 06:45:08 2000 From: "Mike Faggart" To: "Gordon Glasgow" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:40:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly Holy Crap, Batman, where is the Joker? mike faggart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "Roadster List" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:48 AM Subject: Beyond ugly > Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.htm l > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 06:50:52 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:47:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Some people have all the luck > Hate to sound like an idiot, but who the hell is John Morton? > No problem. John Morton raced on the BRE (Brock Racing Enterprises) Team headed up by Peter Brock. They raced the Roadsters & 510's when they first came out. If you look at the old Photo's, John Morton is usually in car #46. I still have my old copy of "The Stainless Steel Carrot". Long since out of print, but follows John Morton in the early days of Datsun Racing. Fun reading on an cold wet day. Cheers, Tom P.S. I bought the book in 1973, before I owned my first car. Couldn't talk my Dad into a roadster after we had an Sunbeam Alpine in the family ("No more sports cars!"). So my first car was a Datsun 510... which I prompty took SCCA Pro Rallying.... ;-) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 07:05:08 2000 From: "Patrick J. Horne" To: Russell Southwell Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:04:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil Filter > Chris Auto Zone Deutsch 601,Fram 2825,2850. Lee-LH-42P. Wix 51512. Napa > 1512. Penske 3600. AC-PF-34. Motorcraft FL-13. Nissan 15209-13210 or > 15208-65002. Toyota 15601-33021. Bosch 72 or 133 > Beck /Arnley 8889. Crossland 2035. Pennzoil PZ-8. > Russ Southwell 70 1600 > > Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com wrote: > > > Does anyone have the part number handy for a Datsun oil filter? Thanks. > > > > Chris Brucciani > > 1968 2000 > I used to use the Deutsch 601's but stopped when they changed the design. The filter only screws on a turn or two! This filter should NOT be safe on our cars...unless you are looking for an excuse to rebuild your engine after running without oil! Peace, Pat -- - Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 08:27:38 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: gppepoy@cybertrails.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:26:10 EDT Subject: Re: X-Rated :) In a message dated 9/19/00 12:26:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time, gppepoy@cybertrails.com writes: > Good grief, > I have GOT to get my roadster assembled. Times a wastin. Don't tell my > whif > why I am newly inspired....it will be our little secret. Just wait until I > tell > my buddies at "Old Farts R Us" what side benefits my are included in > Roadster > ownership. They thought it was just limited to excessive tool purchasing. > Guy > 67.5 SPL 311 > Tempe, AZ Gee Guy, I dunno if I'd count on the "chicks" - the only thing I ever get in this end of town is a truckload full of desert-worn immigrant farm workers making obscene gestures. Besides if ya do get a "flash you'll never know it cause they're all tucked away in their window-tinted air-conditioned cars ! Hey (second thought here) how come we haven't seen you up at the Pavillions yet?? Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 09:21:13 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "Roadster List" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:18:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly From: "Gordon Glasgow" > Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.html Hi Gang: Hoooo-eeeeeey, somebody left the designers alone too long - YIKES! Question - the text says: "Audi points out that the very long wheelbase is ideally suited for a large, mid-mounted engine. They say one with 16 cylinders - perhaps not so coincidentally, the same number as in the Auto Union cars. (Remember that Audi parent Volkswagen has an experimental 16-cylinder engine under development over at Bentley, one that also might show up in a future Bugatti. It's a W-16, but there's also a W-18. " Nevermind the fact that a W is just plain bizarre, but how do you get a W-16? W-18 (3 banks of 6) is easy enough, but are they doing something like 5-6-5 with a W-16? Odd..... Kyle Santa Rosa, CA 1x '69 2000 in pieces - celebrating nine months dead in the yard today! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 09:56:47 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Gordon Glasgow" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:01:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly Gordon Glasgow wrote >Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... > >http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.html > >-- >Gordon Glasgow >http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > Hey, I like it, but I like messerscmitts...go figure. At any rate, better looking than a Panoz. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 09:56:47 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: , , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:01:19 -0500 Subject: Re: vinyl question CalSpeed@aol.com wrote >I just installed a complete vinyl kit from CDM this year. I used a product >called contact cement. There are several different companies that produce >such a product. It either comes in a tube, small bottle or can. Buy a >quart >size can and several cheap paint brushes. This should be enough for the >entire interior plus extra if it comes loose later. Since you live in SF where it doesn't get hot, you're probably safe, but off the shelf contact cements get gooey in the heat. I used Neoprene cement purchaced at an auto trim supply in LA, and it held fine till my move to Texas, it has since started letting go (bear in mind though, this is 10 years later. I've reglued the offending pieces with 3M NF-30 fastbond cement. It is water dispersed, and is in a very low hazard class. This is a bit of an experiment, check back with me in a few years. I did see some tests done with this glue at an effects shop I worked in in LA. They glued various materials (rubber, foam, fabric) and after curing soaked some samples in water for a week, left other samples in the foam curing oven for a week (240 deg f.) The stuff held even when hot. Let's see how the roadster test-bed does. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 09:58:00 2000 From: RWM To: Kyle Hagemann Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:56:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly I think the Audi "W-16" is essentially a canted "H-16" engine, 4x4 x 4x4, with bank (included) angle of about 120 degrees, instead of the H's 180. The old BRM H-16 3-litre with Jackie Stewart up, comes to mind... - Bob Mann, '69 2000 Solex "I-4" Kyle Hagemann wrote: > > "Audi points out that the very long wheelbase is ideally suited for a large, > mid-mounted engine. They say one with 16 cylinders - perhaps not so > coincidentally, the same number as in the Auto Union cars. (Remember that Audi > parent Volkswagen has an experimental 16-cylinder engine under development over > at Bentley, one that also might show up in a future Bugatti. It's a W-16, but > there's also a W-18. " > > Nevermind the fact that a W is just plain bizarre, but how do you get a > W-16? W-18 (3 banks of 6) is easy enough, but are they doing something > like 5-6-5 with a W-16? Odd..... > > Kyle > Santa Rosa, CA > 1x '69 2000 in pieces - celebrating nine months dead in the yard today! -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 10:19:47 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "311" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:18:02 -0700 Subject: Engine installation, etc. Hi gang- If fickle fate chooses to smile upon my blighted hide, I may be reassembling my Roadster this week/end. The car's been sitting for nine months, if that matters... Right now the engine is out, but clean and fresh and ready to go in. The tranny is in about a gazillion pieces, going back together this week.... I'm no stranger (okay, yeah, I'm pretty strange) to R&R type stuff, *and* I have the handy-dandy engine removal instructions printed out...... is there anything oddball and roadster specific I need to be aware of? Things like 'hook up the starter before attaching the motor mounts' or the like? Hope springing eternal, I think I'll try to fire it up with the old gas (at $2+/gallon!). Anything else to be alert for on a car that's been dead for so long? TIA- ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, engine/trans out, making a big mess ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 11:08:38 2000 From: noji To: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:23:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly The images on these pages make the car look somewhat attractive. In Autoweek the picture from the side bring out more ugliness. Dana PS Along the thread of who are these people, I saw a license plate frame from Bob Sharp Nissan/Wilton CT. This would be a cool item to have. PPS I've in the process of having my alternator rebuilt. I put in the current unit about 10 years ago, but not that many miles ago. Of the three screw that hold the unit together, two were loose and one was missing. Pulled over when I heard screams from under the hood. This is something that I normally don't check up on. Gordon Glasgow wrote: > > Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.html > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org -- Dana Nojima, Ph.D. Department of Urology VA Medical Center - 112F 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 fax: (415) 750-6639 noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 11:46:11 2000 From: jschmi7@us.ibm.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:44:52 -0500 Subject: Metal Master Replacement ? Does anyone have the number for the replacement for Metal Master pads for a 2L? I know they were bought out and I think they are still available from the new owner but I dont have a number. I would normally order them from Ross, and probably wilI anyway but I would still like to have a local source if a quick purchase is needed. I am AXing in 2 week at Blackhawk Farms Raceway and in morning practice, after a couple laps, standard pads become useless. It did teach me, though, that you can come into a corner very hot and use power on oversteer to make the turn. I would still like to have brakes though. John Schmitt Telecommuter Office # - 847-458-7829 Internal phonemail only - 847-240-4725 pager pin# 800-759-8888 pin 8710561 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 11:56:45 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, noji Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:56:19 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: Beyond ugly On 9/20/2000 10:23 AM noji wrote: >Pulled over when I heard screams from under the hood. This is >something that I normally don't check up on. Dana, I'll remember to not stand in front of your car!!! (Lose any mechanics lately?) ;> Fred From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 12:26:01 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: , "Roadster List" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:25:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Metal Master Replacement ? >Does anyone have the number for the replacement for Metal Master pads for a >2L? I know they were bought out and I think they are still available from >the new owner but I dont have a number. I would normally order them from >Ross, and probably wilI anyway but I would still like to have a local >source if a quick purchase is needed. > >I am AXing in 2 week at Blackhawk Farms Raceway and in morning practice, >after a couple laps, standard pads become useless. It did teach me, >though, that you can come into a corner very hot and use power on oversteer >to make the turn. I would still like to have brakes though. John, Consensus on both lists (here and the 510) seems to be that the Porterfield R4S (not the R4) are the best all around pad. If I remember correctly there's even one outfit that will reline rear shoes with the same material, although I'm not sure that's really necessary since (at least on the 510) most of the braking is done by the fronts. I'll dig around in my archives and see if I can't come up with a dealer. HTH, Ron Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth ------------------ '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 12:37:24 2000 From: noji To: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:52:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly/now screams Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > > On 9/20/2000 10:23 AM noji wrote: > > > >Pulled over when I heard screams from under the hood. This is > >something that I normally don't check up on. > > Dana, > > I'll remember to not stand in front of your car!!! (Lose any mechanics > lately?) ;> > > Fred Fred, I'm not so bad. It's my wife that you have to watch out for. She will often come out to lend a hand when I'm working on the car. I always park the car in gear and she never does. The request of starting the car has sent me into the wall more than once. Dana -- Dana Nojima, Ph.D. Department of Urology VA Medical Center - 112F 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 fax: (415) 750-6639 noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 13:09:04 2000 From: wrichter@electroglas.com To: jschmi7@us.ibm.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:09:43 -0700 Subject: RE: Metal Master Replacement ? The last I heard is that a company called APEX made them. If you find a place let me know I too would like to get some pads. Wayne > -----Original Message----- > From: jschmi7@us.ibm.com [SMTP:jschmi7@us.ibm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:45 AM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Metal Master Replacement ? > > Does anyone have the number for the replacement for Metal Master pads for > a > 2L? I know they were bought out and I think they are still available from > the new owner but I dont have a number. I would normally order them from > Ross, and probably wilI anyway but I would still like to have a local > source if a quick purchase is needed. > > I am AXing in 2 week at Blackhawk Farms Raceway and in morning practice, > after a couple laps, standard pads become useless. It did teach me, > though, that you can come into a corner very hot and use power on > oversteer > to make the turn. I would still like to have brakes though. > > John Schmitt Telecommuter Office # - 847-458-7829 > Internal phonemail only - 847-240-4725 pager pin# 800-759-8888 > pin 8710561 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 13:12:18 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: Ronnie Day Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:08:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Metal Master Replacement ? John, As Ronnie pointed out, the Portfields are very nice brakes. If you do any street driving, then get the R4S compounds. Nothing worse than cold brakes that do NOT stop the car (I went through the stop sign at the end of the street one morning on some "when did I buy those" brake pads. Gasp, they were a set of racing compound pads I had forgotten about, but installed during a routine brake clean up!). http://www.porterfield-brakes.com Cheers, Tom From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 13:57:12 2000 From: Datsundude@aol.com To: , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:56:04 EDT Subject: Re: Beyond ugly ""PARTS'' Has anyone gone to the speedvision Parts and Accessories window on their page, dial in your car and see what happens. They list several manf's and lots of parts. Don't know if the prices are within reason but look good to me. Dean From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 15:19:27 2000 From: "Andrew Jacobs" To: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:24:03 -0400 Subject: OT-need back car mag issues just wondering if anyone out there has the may issues of road and track, car and driver and automobile and doesn't mind parting with them for a small fee or a roadster part if i have it. let me know. thanks, andy legal-z@att.net 69 2000 71 240z From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 16:15:44 2000 From: Thomas To: noji Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:14:37 +0200 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly/now screams Some late model cars with a stick have a switch where the starter wont work unless you de-clutch. A cheap life insurance? Thomas the Swede noji wrote: > Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > > > > On 9/20/2000 10:23 AM noji wrote: > > > > > > >Pulled over when I heard screams from under the hood. This is > > >something that I normally don't check up on. > > > > Dana, > > > > I'll remember to not stand in front of your car!!! (Lose any mechanics > > lately?) ;> > > > > Fred > > Fred, > > I'm not so bad. It's my wife that you have to watch out for. She will > often come out to lend a hand when I'm working on the car. I always > park the car in gear and she never does. The request of starting the > car has sent me into the wall more than once. > > Dana > -- > Dana Nojima, Ph.D. > Department of Urology > VA Medical Center - 112F > 4150 Clement Street > San Francisco, CA 94121 > > phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 > fax: (415) 750-6639 > noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 17:23:53 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:19:28 -0700 Subject: digital camera I have asked a few people about digital cameras to use. I am in the market to get a camera within the next month. Would anyone care to give their opinion on what to look for. I have looked at one from costco for about 400. Don't know much about them. Roadster content: I would like to use this camera to take pictures of my car and put them on here for you to see. Of course I will use it for other things too. :-) Thanks Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 17:24:56 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:21:10 -0700 Subject: (no subject) I will be in San Francisco tonight. At the Hyatt I believe. I have a seminar so I will not be able to answer any responses for a few days. Bob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 17:53:08 2000 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "Patrick J. Horne" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:55:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Oil Filter Pat, I just used a Deutsch a couple of months ago, no problem, full threads? Did I get old stock or did you find a bad batch? Paul OROC -----Original Message----- From: Patrick J. Horne To: Russell Southwell Cc: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com ; datsun roadster mailist Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Oil Filter >> Chris Auto Zone Deutsch 601,Fram 2825,2850. Lee-LH-42P. Wix 51512. Napa >> 1512. Penske 3600. AC-PF-34. Motorcraft FL-13. Nissan 15209-13210 or >> 15208-65002. Toyota 15601-33021. Bosch 72 or 133 >> Beck /Arnley 8889. Crossland 2035. Pennzoil PZ-8. >> Russ Southwell 70 1600 >> >> Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com wrote: >> >> > Does anyone have the part number handy for a Datsun oil filter? Thanks. >> > >> > Chris Brucciani >> > 1968 2000 >> > > >I used to use the Deutsch 601's but stopped when they changed the design. >The filter only screws on a turn or two! This filter should NOT be safe >on our cars...unless you are looking for an excuse to rebuild your engine >after running without oil! > >Peace, >Pat > >-- >- Support Habitat for Humanity, A "hand up", not a "hand out" - >Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Future planner >CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA >voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885 > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 18:10:54 2000 From: "Lehinger" To: "Datsun-Roadsters" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:10:25 -0500 Subject: RE: Metal Master Replacement ? repco metal masters 17-20052-m d52m Lee Ehinger -----Original Message----- From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of jschmi7@us.ibm.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:45 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Metal Master Replacement ? Does anyone have the number for the replacement for Metal Master pads for a 2L? I know they were bought out and I think they are still available from the new owner but I dont have a number. I would normally order them from Ross, and probably wilI anyway but I would still like to have a local source if a quick purchase is needed. I am AXing in 2 week at Blackhawk Farms Raceway and in morning practice, after a couple laps, standard pads become useless. It did teach me, though, that you can come into a corner very hot and use power on oversteer to make the turn. I would still like to have brakes though. John Schmitt Telecommuter Office # - 847-458-7829 Internal phonemail only - 847-240-4725 pager pin# 800-759-8888 pin 8710561 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 18:25:49 2000 From: SRL311KA@aol.com To: ronday@home.com, jschmi7@us.ibm.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:23:40 EDT Subject: Re: Metal Master Replacement ? Ronnie, go with the Porterfields. I used them at Thunderhill and Shasta autocross. They didn't fade in 4 20 min sessions the track. Bill Kenyon SRL311 ps-Are you moving? From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 18:31:13 2000 From: "Ryan, Richard" To: "'Roman Rist'" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:32:56 -0700 Subject: RE: Some people have all the luck The September 2000 issue of Vintage Racecar Journal & Market Report has a 4 page interview with Morton. Their # is 714-236-8676 Here's a short part of the article. As you may know he started by going to the Shelby Racing School because he liked cars. The school car was Cobra CSX02000 (the first one ever built). Pete Brock was the only instructor. When John met Shelby for the first time he asked him for a job. Morton ended up as a go-for. In '64 Shelby gave Morton and 2 friends $25 (each) to drive to Sebring to help out with the team. Shelby entered 5 cars but only had 9 drivers. But they were sure one or two would drop out so they didn't think they would need more drivers. After 3 hours no one had dropped out and Ken Miles couldn't drive 12 hours straight. Morton was asked to drive. His experience was 1 year in a Super 7 and didn't even have an FIA license. Ken Miles wrote a note saying John was OK which got him his license. He bought a driver's suit at the track for $15 and borrowed a motorcycle racer's helmet. With no practice time in the Cobra he went racing. The article doesn't say how they did. Dick Ryan ex. 24022 (650)312-4022 Risk Management Dept. SM 2000/2 FAX (650)312-5830 Hate to sound like an idiot, but who the hell is John Morton? Enlighten me please. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 18:49:32 2000 From: Gary McCormick To: Thomas Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:49:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly/now screams No - a stupid, annoying "safety device" dictated by the insurance companies to ensure the survival of the Darwin-impaired. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Thomas wrote: > Some late model cars with a stick have a switch where the starter > wont work unless you de-clutch. A cheap life insurance? > > Thomas > the Swede > > noji wrote: > > > Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > > > > > > On 9/20/2000 10:23 AM noji wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Pulled over when I heard screams from under the hood. This is > > > >something that I normally don't check up on. > > > > > > Dana, > > > > > > I'll remember to not stand in front of your car!!! (Lose any mechanics > > > lately?) ;> > > > > > > Fred > > > > Fred, > > > > I'm not so bad. It's my wife that you have to watch out for. She will > > often come out to lend a hand when I'm working on the car. I always > > park the car in gear and she never does. The request of starting the > > car has sent me into the wall more than once. > > > > Dana > > -- > > Dana Nojima, Ph.D. > > Department of Urology > > VA Medical Center - 112F > > 4150 Clement Street > > San Francisco, CA 94121 > > > > phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 > > fax: (415) 750-6639 > > noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 19:09:39 2000 From: Pamela Pepoy To: SPL311RDST@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:17:28 -0700 Subject: Re: X-Rated :) Hi Laurie, I hate to admit it but first I would have to remember which pair of glasses to put on, Next I would then have to find where I left em. THEN I could see what is really "goin on." Oh, it seems that whenever I plan to go to the Pavillions something else comes up and I can't make it. Poopy! Oh well, one of these weekends.... I'm really not a closit roadster snob. One of these days I'll come out. Lets see, maybe I should rephrase that a bit. Guy SPL311RDST@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/19/00 12:26:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > gppepoy@cybertrails.com writes: > > > Good grief, > > I have GOT to get my roadster assembled. Times a wastin. Don't tell my > > whif > > why I am newly inspired....it will be our little secret. Just wait until I > > tell > > my buddies at "Old Farts R Us" what side benefits my are included in > > Roadster > > ownership. They thought it was just limited to excessive tool purchasing. > > Guy > > 67.5 SPL 311 > > Tempe, AZ > > Gee Guy, I dunno if I'd count on the "chicks" - the only thing I ever get in > this end of town is a truckload full of desert-worn immigrant farm workers > making obscene gestures. Besides if ya do get a "flash you'll never know > it cause they're all tucked away in their window-tinted air-conditioned cars ! > > Hey (second thought here) how come we haven't seen you up at the Pavillions > yet?? > > Laurie :-) > 70 SPL311 > 69 SRL311 > Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 19:26:13 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: Keith0alan@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:25:44 GMT Subject: Re: Fwd: X-Rated :) Yeah, would have foiled my standard line: "Honey, I was just thinking how good YOU would look in that"! >From: Keith0alan@aol.com >Reply-To: Keith0alan@aol.com >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Fwd: X-Rated :) >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:27:02 EDT > >--part1_c2.c7f815.26f97a76_boundary > > > >I can hear it now, "They did WHAT!!! No dear, I didn't see a thing, honest. >You know I don't have eyes for anyone but you." > > > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 19:58:17 2000 From: "Adam Fox" To: "Roman Rist" , "R Haug" , Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:52:36 +1000 Subject: Re: electrical system questions My 65 1500 is neg ground(thank god for that!) Adam Fox 65 1500 71 2LFJ20 Turbo 510 ---------- > From: Roman Rist > To: R Haug ; datsun roadsters > Subject: Re: electrical system questions > Date: Wednesday, 20 September 2000 14:05 > > > --- R Haug wrote: > > Is the electrical system on the 67.5 a negative ground. I believe > > that > > I have seen that the early cars had positive ground. If it is > > negative > > ground when did it get switched at the factory. > > Bob > > Bob, the 67.5 is neg ground as far as I know 66 on up are all neg grnd. > 65 and before I'm not sure of > > Roman Rist > > > > > > > ===== > ristguitars@yahoo.com > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 > > __________________________________________________ > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 20:02:45 2000 From: Roman Rist To: "Ryan, Richard" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Some people have all the luck Hi folks, thanks for all the info on who John Morton is, through all of your enlightenment I am now, not a complete idiot. (wisecracks welcome) Roman Rist __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 20:03:10 2000 From: "Mark McInnis" To: "R Haug" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:12:55 -0500 Subject: Re: digital camera I bought a Kodak DC 280 in late July from Office Depot for $399. It takes pretty nice photos of my car, which reminds me that I need to take the For Sale sign off my website. You can see the shots at skyboom.com/mcinns if you are interested in the quality of the photos. Mark McInnis 1969 2000 SRL311 10600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Haug" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 6:19 PM Subject: digital camera > I have asked a few people about digital cameras to use. I am in the > market to get a camera within the next month. Would anyone care to give > their opinion on what to look for. I have looked at one from costco for > about 400. Don't know much about them. > Roadster content: I would like to use this camera to take pictures of > my car and put them on here for you to see. Of course I will use it for > other things too. :-) > Thanks > Bob > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 20:05:02 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Adam Fox , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: electrical system questions --- Adam Fox wrote: > My 65 1500 is neg ground(thank god for that!) > Come that way? or was it converted? __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 20:33:10 2000 From: jon_wissler@pngc.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:41:15 -0700 Subject: Tune-Up Specs HELP. Due to years of brain cell abuse in my youth, I've forgotten what the point gap and spark plug gap is for my 69 2000. Can somebody please reply to me directly (jon_wissler@pngc.com). I'm on the archive list and can't wait until tomorrow. Thanks. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 21:19:25 2000 From: "Amy & Erik" To: , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:25:03 -0500 Subject: vinyl question I have had good luck with Grip-it brand glue. It is meant to glue motorcycle grips to handlebars. I glued my shifter boot to the metal plate and threw that clamp-retention ring away because it did nothing. I can tug very hard on the shifter boot and it will not come loose. If you can't find it at a motorcycle shop- go to your local bike shop and have them order it from Quality Bicycle Products (a wholesale distributor where I work). I will be in Las Vegas for work this Saturday through Wednesday. Anybody out there want to show me what a well tuned 2000 or a 1600 is supposed to ride/drive like? Erik Smeby 2L 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 21:31:31 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: ristguitars@yahoo.com, RRyan@frk.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:30:03 EDT Subject: RE: Some people have all the luck Roman, Then would you be an incomplete idiot? Sid >From: Roman Rist >Reply-To: Roman Rist >To: "Ryan, Richard" , datsun roadsters > >Subject: RE: Some people have all the luck >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:00:54 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi folks, thanks for all the info on who John Morton is, through all of >your enlightenment I am now, not a complete idiot. (wisecracks welcome) > > >Roman Rist > >__________________________________________________ >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 23:24:38 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: Roadster List Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:30:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly Actually, the more I looked at it (and I had to do that in small doses!), the more it looked like a Harkonnen ship from "Dune." Paul wrote: > The grill looks like PACMAN after 20 years of Krispy Kream donuts! I > think Audi borrowed the Buggetti designers. > > Paul > OROC > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Glasgow > To: Roadster List > Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:48 AM > Subject: Beyond ugly > > >Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... > > > >http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.html > > > >-- > >Gordon Glasgow > >http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > > > > -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 20 23:42:08 2000 From: "fredkatz" To: "R Haug" , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:40:53 -0700 Subject: Re: digital camera (O.T.) Bob, A couple days ago I said I'm thrilled with my Canon S-10 2.1 megapixel, most compact 2.1 digital camera around. They run about $400 on the internet, and it'll cost at least another $150 for accessories. You need accessories for anything you buy (power packs, memory cards, etc.). Canon has better cameras out now, in the 3.x megapixel range. I have a Kodak DC50 (for work use), sucked big-time, lousy resolution, too bulky and those cameras take forever to download. Also had a Sony Mavica for work use, also sucks - lousy resolution and just about worthless. It uses a floppy disk but you can't fit much on it. With the Canon, I use a cable to USB port on one PC, Sandisk cardreader to parallel on another PC, and serial cable for another. It even comes with a cable for a Mac. I bought a 40MB flashcard that stores hundreds of high-res pics. Thing I like best is the camera fits in my shirt pocket and goes anywhere I go. Who wants to carry around a big case? I use it for documenting work on my roadsters, inventory, snapping pics of computer screens and equipment (I maintain a dozen scattered servers at work), and snap pics of family events. It comes with cataloging software. After uploading the pics, they go to CD-RW's and the software keeps thumbnails of everything handy. Check out the features at camera reviews on the net. Fred BADROC ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Haug" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 4:19 PM Subject: digital camera > I have asked a few people about digital cameras to use. I am in the > market to get a camera within the next month. Would anyone care to give > their opinion on what to look for. I have looked at one from costco for > about 400. Don't know much about them. > Roadster content: I would like to use this camera to take pictures of > my car and put them on here for you to see. Of course I will use it for > other things too. :-) > Thanks > Bob > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 02:43:45 2000 From: Thomas To: Gary McCormick Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:42:32 +0200 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly/now screams They only install that on cars going to North America. Either the lawyers or drivers are the reason why they do it. The rest of the world dont even have "brake on before going from P to R on the automatic" Thomas the Swede Gary McCormick wrote: > No - a stupid, annoying "safety device" dictated by the insurance companies > to ensure the survival of the Darwin-impaired. > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > Thomas wrote: > > > Some late model cars with a stick have a switch where the starter > > wont work unless you de-clutch. A cheap life insurance? > > > > Thomas > > the Swede > > > > noji wrote: > > > > > Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9/20/2000 10:23 AM noji wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Pulled over when I heard screams from under the hood. This is > > > > >something that I normally don't check up on. > > > > > > > > Dana, > > > > > > > > I'll remember to not stand in front of your car!!! (Lose any mechanics > > > > lately?) ;> > > > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > I'm not so bad. It's my wife that you have to watch out for. She will > > > often come out to lend a hand when I'm working on the car. I always > > > park the car in gear and she never does. The request of starting the > > > car has sent me into the wall more than once. > > > > > > Dana > > > -- > > > Dana Nojima, Ph.D. > > > Department of Urology > > > VA Medical Center - 112F > > > 4150 Clement Street > > > San Francisco, CA 94121 > > > > > > phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 > > > fax: (415) 750-6639 > > > noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 04:27:53 2000 From: "The Belgian Roadster" To: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:31:22 +0200 Subject: crankshaft bushings Hi List, anyone knows where to buy bushings for the crankshaft or manufacture names. Chris The Belgian Roadster From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 04:30:25 2000 From: Orocrodstr@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@onelist.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:30:01 EDT Subject: SCCA Runoffs Any one out there going to attend the Runoffs at MId Ohio? If so let me know and we'll arrange to meet. My wife and I will be there Oct 6 - 8. Chris Luers OROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 05:48:09 2000 From: "Lehinger" To: "Datsun-Roadsters" , Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:48:03 -0500 Subject: RE: Transmission gear swapping My brother put a u20 5 spd in his 71 Z and used the stock z bell housing....did early cars come with a removeable bellhousing? This sure messed up the speedo reading... I drove it to N. Mich with 70 speed limit - was reading 85 mph in 5 gear... I wondered why it took so much less time to get home... I was actually running closer to 100-110. no tickets... Lee Ehinger OROC Ft Wayne IN -----Original Message----- From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gordon Glasgow Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 7:45 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping At one time Nissan Comp sold a special bellhousing to mount a U20 5-speed in a Z. But as was mentioned, the Z 5-speeds came with an integral bellhousing. Of course, a true hard-core hot-rodder wouldn't let a little thing like that stop him if he had access to a welder who was good enough to cut the bellhousing off a Z and weld on a roadster one. But it would really have to be done precisely or else the input shaft would probably bind up in the back of the crankshaft. Kyle Hagemann wrote: > > The Roadster tranny is unique onto the R and U engines. So I know > > that a 510 tranny isn't a bolt-up swap because of the bellhousing and > > who knows what else (length? starter location? Whatever). BUT.. > > are the internal designs similar? Can I pull the internals from a 510 > > box and put them into a Roadster box? The 510 has two different ratios, > > one that matches our Roadsters and another, lower ratio. I haven't > > compared part numbers on the fiche yet; that'll probably tell me, but > > has anyone out there successfully done such tinkering? > > > > -- John > > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA > > Hi John- > > I've wondered this too, especially as the Z units seem to be more > common (read=inexpensive) than the roadster trannies. > > Way-back-in-tha-day, before the 5speed 280Z's came along, it was > not unheard of to put a roadster trans in a 240Z. Building theory > on hearsay (heresy?;-) it stands to reason that the L bellhousing > can be swapped with the U/R bellhousing... (I can hear someone out > there thinking, "U/R silly!") > > I have it first hand from a local Z dude that the servo-type roadster > five speeds appear nearly identical to the BW-type Z units. 'Course, > things can look a lot alike and still be incompatible. > > So I dunno! But it seems that you could put a Z/ZX/510/PU/200sx/etc > trans into a roadster with a bellhousing swap. But it's likely more > complicated... bearing bores and shift rod holes have been mentioned > as a stumbling block when converting a CA tranny to L-series duty; I > wouldn't be surprised to hear that similar shenanigans are required > for a L->U/R swap. > > Anyone have some of ye olde Z-carre hop up manuals from the mid/late > 70's hanging about, and/or have first-hand knowledge of what it takes > to get a roadster unit in a Z? That tech oughtta be backwards- > compatible with a Z->roadster swap. > > 'Course, I've just shelled out the bucks to fix my Roadster 5spd, so > there better not be an easy L-tranny swap;-D > > HTH > Kyle > still broken -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 06:00:33 2000 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:59:37 -0500 Subject: US GP Is anyone else excited about this? F1 in America again? When it was first announced I poo poohed it because of my disdain for what Tony George has done to open wheel racing. (I'm a BIG CART fan). Now that it's here I'm all geeked up and really wish I were going. There's a lesson here somewhere. Chris Brucciani 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 08:47:15 2000 From: rlloyd3@juno.com To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:44:36 -0400 Subject: Hood List, The last part left from my 1966 1600 roadster is the hood. It is in good shape and has the chrome and letters.If anyone is interested, please make an offer. Thank you rlloyd ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 09:13:33 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: jon_wissler@pngc.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:12:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Tune-Up Specs Points set to 0.020" (0.018" to 0.022") Plugs set to 0.028" (0.28" to 0.032") I just leave my feeler gauge's with the correct size sticking out them in the tool box. So who knows if I am really correct... oh boy, my son's are old enough to get into the tool boxes now... just wait until they start dragging home projects and "borrowing" my tools. I better write those numbers down before I forget them! Cheers, Tom jon_wissler@pngc.com wrote: > > HELP. Due to years of brain cell abuse in my youth, I've forgotten what > the point gap and spark plug gap is for my 69 2000. Can somebody please > reply to me directly (jon_wissler@pngc.com). I'm on the archive list and > can't wait until tomorrow. Thanks. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 09:20:20 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "Gordon Glasgow" , Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:11:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Beyond ugly Pshaw, the more I look at it, the more it looks like one of the *Navigators* from Dune . Ewwww......... :-) Kyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "Roadster List" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Beyond ugly > Actually, the more I looked at it (and I had to do that in small doses!), the more it looked like a > Harkonnen ship from "Dune." > > Paul wrote: > > > The grill looks like PACMAN after 20 years of Krispy Kream donuts! I > > think Audi borrowed the Buggetti designers. > > > > Paul > > OROC > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gordon Glasgow > > To: Roadster List > > Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:48 AM > > Subject: Beyond ugly > > > > >Just when you thought Audi couldn't make an uglier car... > > > > > >http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/automotive/01cnews/000913a.html > > > > > >-- > > >Gordon Glasgow > > >http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 09:29:25 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:28:41 -0500 Subject: Re: electrical system questions Roman, The '63 vehicles were positive ground (i.e. the single carb'd 1500 engine). I think SOME '64 vehicles were still positive ground. They had a generators fitted to them. Later cars (i.e. some late '64) and '65 on have alternators fitted. Those are all negative ground. I know ALL alternator fitted vehicles were negative ground. What I am not sure of if Datsun had any negative grounded vehicles fitted with generators. Perhaps someone who knows the early years better can supply that tidbit. Oh, on a generator you are instructed to "flash" the windings when installing them. In reality just bolt them in place, and have the battery charged up before starting the car. The generators will "self magnetize" to supply the correct polarity. This is one reason why you will see lots of older. The '63 Bluebird I had sold early this year had a later model alternator fitted. Never had it running to see if the water temp and fuel gauge's worked correctly. That is the only typical problem when changing polarity of the system. Of course the wires to the ignition coil need to be swapped if you find the center electrode of the plugs has no wear, but the "J" grounding electrode has worn down. Cheers, Tom Walter Austin, TX Roman Rist wrote: > > --- Adam Fox wrote: > > My 65 1500 is neg ground(thank god for that!) > > > > Come that way? or was it converted? > > __________________________________________________ > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 09:34:17 2000 From: kidavis@beckman.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:33:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Tune-Up Specs Here's a thought, one of the PO's of my car made Dymo labels and put them on the cowling next to the data plate. Perhaps not lovely to look at, but handy. Karen Davis 69 SRL311 10100 Mt Baldy, CA ------------------------------------------------- Points set to 0.020" (0.018" to 0.022") Plugs set to 0.028" (0.28" to 0.032") I just leave my feeler gauge's with the correct size sticking out them in the tool box. So who knows if I am really correct... oh boy, my son's are old enough to get into the tool boxes now... just wait until they start dragging home projects and "borrowing" my tools. I better write those numbers down before I forget them! Cheers, Tom jon_wissler@pngc.com wrote: > > HELP. Due to years of brain cell abuse in my youth, I've forgotten what > the point gap and spark plug gap is for my 69 2000. Can somebody please > reply to me directly (jon_wissler@pngc.com). I'm on the archive list and > can't wait until tomorrow. Thanks. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 09:34:27 2000 From: Thomas To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:33:19 +0200 Subject: Solex intake manifold Does anyone know where to find a Solex (Weber DCOE) intake manifold for the R type engine? Thomas the Swede From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 10:04:09 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:03:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Tune-Up Specs Karen, Heck, If it works those little labels are great! Usually I keep a 3"x5" card in my tool box with: Ignition Timing Point Gap Plug Gap Valve Clearance Oil Filter to use Wrench size for drain plug (engine oil) ditto for transmission & rear end fill & drain plug sizes WHEEL TORQUE. Comes in very handy. I also like using a "paint pen" from an industrial supply company, and writing in a nice contrast color the WHEEL TORQUE setting under the hood, but the radiator. Most tech's will then notice it with "Lug Nut Torque 76 ft-lbs". Yes, I always use a torque wrench, and if a garage replaced the wheels, I loosen and retighten every one when I get home. Cheers, Tom Walter Austin, TX kidavis@beckman.com wrote: > > Here's a thought, one of the PO's of my car made Dymo labels and > put them on the cowling next to the data plate. Perhaps not lovely > to look at, but handy. > > Karen Davis > 69 SRL311 10100 > Mt Baldy, CA > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Points set to 0.020" (0.018" to 0.022") > > Plugs set to 0.028" (0.28" to 0.032") > > I just leave my feeler gauge's with the correct size > sticking out them in the tool box. So who knows if I > am really correct... oh boy, my son's are old enough > to get into the tool boxes now... just wait until they > start dragging home projects and "borrowing" my tools. > I better write those numbers down before I forget them! > > Cheers, > > Tom > > jon_wissler@pngc.com wrote: > > > > HELP. Due to years of brain cell abuse in my youth, I've forgotten what > > the point gap and spark plug gap is for my 69 2000. Can somebody please > > reply to me directly (jon_wissler@pngc.com). I'm on the archive list and > > can't wait until tomorrow. Thanks. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 10:12:08 2000 From: Magic1910@aol.com To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:11:12 EDT Subject: Re: US GP In a message dated 9/21/00 4:01:28 AM, Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com writes: <> Over 200,000 tickets sold. No hotel rooms for over a 50 mile radius. I think at least a few people must be kind of up for it. My son and I leave for Indy at 1:00pm today. If you're watching on TV, look for me. I'll be the guy in the red hat with the Ferrari logo. Greg Morrison SRL31100005 PS to Les and Dennis: I asked Jono if he wanted to give his ticket to you and he really gave it some serious thought, and after about a split second he said no. Sorry. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 11:15:36 2000 From: "Dziuba, Larry" To: "'Thomas Walter'" , Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:18:46 -0600 Subject: RE: Tune-Up Specs Why not just jot down all your tune-up specs on the same card and stick it in the glove box. Always w/ the car. Now all you have to remember is to keep some tools in the trunk. Larry. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Walter [mailto:ra0618@email.sps.mot.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 10:03 AM To: road Subject: Re: Tune-Up Specs Karen, Heck, If it works those little labels are great! Usually I keep a 3"x5" card in my tool box with: Ignition Timing Point Gap Plug Gap Valve Clearance Oil Filter to use Wrench size for drain plug (engine oil) ditto for transmission & rear end fill & drain plug sizes WHEEL TORQUE. Comes in very handy. I also like using a "paint pen" from an industrial supply company, and writing in a nice contrast color the WHEEL TORQUE setting under the hood, but the radiator. Most tech's will then notice it with "Lug Nut Torque 76 ft-lbs". Yes, I always use a torque wrench, and if a garage replaced the wheels, I loosen and retighten every one when I get home. Cheers, Tom Walter Austin, TX kidavis@beckman.com wrote: > > Here's a thought, one of the PO's of my car made Dymo labels and > put them on the cowling next to the data plate. Perhaps not lovely > to look at, but handy. > > Karen Davis > 69 SRL311 10100 > Mt Baldy, CA > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Points set to 0.020" (0.018" to 0.022") > > Plugs set to 0.028" (0.28" to 0.032") > > I just leave my feeler gauge's with the correct size > sticking out them in the tool box. So who knows if I > am really correct... oh boy, my son's are old enough > to get into the tool boxes now... just wait until they > start dragging home projects and "borrowing" my tools. > I better write those numbers down before I forget them! > > Cheers, > > Tom > > jon_wissler@pngc.com wrote: > > > > HELP. Due to years of brain cell abuse in my youth, I've forgotten what > > the point gap and spark plug gap is for my 69 2000. Can somebody please > > reply to me directly (jon_wissler@pngc.com). I'm on the archive list and > > can't wait until tomorrow. Thanks. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 11:40:04 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: corcoran@bainbridgeisland.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:39:05 -0500 Subject: Re: electrical system questions Tim, Thanks for the correction. Funny thing is my '63 Bluebird had an alternator with a replacement regulator. The original carbon pile regulator was in the glovebox. I had forgotten about the positive ground alternators (diodes are just wired different). Cheers, Tom T and E Corcoran wrote: > > Tom and Roman, > > 1963 1500 single carb's had a pos. ground generator with carbon pile > regulator. > > 1964(5) 1500 or dual carb'ed with third seat had a pos. ground > alternator with conventional regulator. > > 1965 1500 no third seat I believe was also pos. ground with > alternator. > > 1966 1600 and up were neg. ground alternator. > > Tim C. > 2 '64 1500 Fairlady's > > Thomas Walter wrote: > > > Roman, > > > > The '63 vehicles were positive ground (i.e. the single > > carb'd 1500 engine). > > > > I think SOME '64 vehicles were still positive ground. They > > had a generators fitted to them. > > > > Later cars (i.e. some late '64) and '65 on have alternators > > fitted. Those are all negative ground. > > > > I know ALL alternator fitted vehicles were negative ground. > > What I am not sure of if Datsun had any negative grounded > > vehicles fitted with generators. Perhaps someone who knows > > the early years better can supply that tidbit. > > > > Oh, on a generator you are instructed to "flash" the windings > > when installing them. In reality just bolt them in place, and > > have the battery charged up before starting the car. The > > generators will "self magnetize" to supply the correct polarity. > > This is one reason why you will see lots of older. > > > > The '63 Bluebird I had sold early this year had a later model > > alternator fitted. Never had it running to see if the water > > temp and fuel gauge's worked correctly. That is the only typical > > problem when changing polarity of the system. Of course the wires > > to the ignition coil need to be swapped if you find the center > > electrode of the plugs has no wear, but the "J" grounding electrode > > has worn down. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tom Walter > > Austin, TX > > > > Roman Rist wrote: > > > > > > --- Adam Fox wrote: > > > > My 65 1500 is neg ground(thank god for that!) > > > > > > > > > > Come that way? or was it converted? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 12:16:08 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: road Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:16:05 -0700 Subject: RE: electrical system questions Nissan is funny that way. My 65 L-320 pick up is pos earth with the carbon pile regulator. I wonder if they needed to use them up? -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Walter [mailto:ra0618@email.sps.mot.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 10:39 AM To: corcoran@bainbridgeisland.net Cc: road Subject: Re: electrical system questions Tim, Thanks for the correction. Funny thing is my '63 Bluebird had an alternator with a replacement regulator. The original carbon pile regulator was in the glovebox. I had forgotten about the positive ground alternators (diodes are just wired different). Cheers, Tom T and E Corcoran wrote: > > Tom and Roman, > > 1963 1500 single carb's had a pos. ground generator with carbon pile > regulator. > > 1964(5) 1500 or dual carb'ed with third seat had a pos. ground > alternator with conventional regulator. > > 1965 1500 no third seat I believe was also pos. ground with > alternator. > > 1966 1600 and up were neg. ground alternator. > > Tim C. > 2 '64 1500 Fairlady's > > Thomas Walter wrote: > > > Roman, > > > > The '63 vehicles were positive ground (i.e. the single > > carb'd 1500 engine). > > > > I think SOME '64 vehicles were still positive ground. They > > had a generators fitted to them. > > > > Later cars (i.e. some late '64) and '65 on have alternators > > fitted. Those are all negative ground. > > > > I know ALL alternator fitted vehicles were negative ground. > > What I am not sure of if Datsun had any negative grounded > > vehicles fitted with generators. Perhaps someone who knows > > the early years better can supply that tidbit. > > > > Oh, on a generator you are instructed to "flash" the windings > > when installing them. In reality just bolt them in place, and > > have the battery charged up before starting the car. The > > generators will "self magnetize" to supply the correct polarity. > > This is one reason why you will see lots of older. > > > > The '63 Bluebird I had sold early this year had a later model > > alternator fitted. Never had it running to see if the water > > temp and fuel gauge's worked correctly. That is the only typical > > problem when changing polarity of the system. Of course the wires > > to the ignition coil need to be swapped if you find the center > > electrode of the plugs has no wear, but the "J" grounding electrode > > has worn down. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tom Walter > > Austin, TX > > > > Roman Rist wrote: > > > > > > --- Adam Fox wrote: > > > > My 65 1500 is neg ground(thank god for that!) > > > > > > > > > > Come that way? or was it converted? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 13:30:02 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: Orocrodstr@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:28:38 EDT Subject: Re: SCCA Runoffs Hi Datsun 1600 racer & GP Champion Joe Hauser says he'll be at the runoffs weekend and will spend some time round the Nissan Tent - he's looking forward to meeting some Roadster owners - You may catch up with him driving a golf cart or in his SLK! Give him my best regards. See Ya Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 15:02:56 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: "Roadster List" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:02:07 -0500 Subject: Re: US GP > >Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com writes: > ><> > > Greg Morrison: >Over 200,000 tickets sold. No hotel rooms for over a 50 mile radius. I >think at least a few people must be kind of up for it. My son and I leave >for Indy at 1:00pm today. If you're watching on TV, look for me. I'll be >the guy in the red hat with the Ferrari logo. >PS to Les and Dennis: I asked Jono if he wanted to give his ticket to you >and he really gave it some serious thought, and after about a split second >he said no. Sorry. Greg, I'm more than a bit envious. Have fun and wave big, we'll be looking for you on our 55 inch Mitsu TV. Looks like we're gonna have a good group Sunday, maybe Saturday for qualifying, too, if I can talk Elayne into it. I've been very impressed with Speedvision's "Grand Preview" series. They've done a very good job of marketing the race and teaching about the current state of F1, IMO. Should be a lot of fun. Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth ------------------ '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 15:21:32 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: ra0618@email.sps.mot.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:21:00 EDT Subject: Re: electrical system questions Thomas, I have to beg to differ. I have an alternator 64 model with Positive ground. My understanding was that ALL 1500s were positive ground from the factory. I could be wrong though about that point though. I can tell you that the alternator mount has a rubber bushing in it on my car. Sid >From: "Thomas Walter" >Reply-To: "Thomas Walter" >To: road >Subject: Re: electrical system questions >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:28:41 -0500 > >Roman, > >The '63 vehicles were positive ground (i.e. the single >carb'd 1500 engine). > >I think SOME '64 vehicles were still positive ground. They >had a generators fitted to them. > >Later cars (i.e. some late '64) and '65 on have alternators >fitted. Those are all negative ground. > >I know ALL alternator fitted vehicles were negative ground. >What I am not sure of if Datsun had any negative grounded >vehicles fitted with generators. Perhaps someone who knows >the early years better can supply that tidbit. > >Oh, on a generator you are instructed to "flash" the windings >when installing them. In reality just bolt them in place, and >have the battery charged up before starting the car. The >generators will "self magnetize" to supply the correct polarity. >This is one reason why you will see lots of older. > >The '63 Bluebird I had sold early this year had a later model >alternator fitted. Never had it running to see if the water >temp and fuel gauge's worked correctly. That is the only typical >problem when changing polarity of the system. Of course the wires >to the ignition coil need to be swapped if you find the center >electrode of the plugs has no wear, but the "J" grounding electrode >has worn down. > >Cheers, > >Tom Walter >Austin, TX > > > > >Roman Rist wrote: > > > > --- Adam Fox wrote: > > > My 65 1500 is neg ground(thank god for that!) > > > > > > > Come that way? or was it converted? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 15:30:27 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Laury, Victor" , "road" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:35:48 -0500 Subject: RE: electrical system questions Laury, Victor wrote >Nissan is funny that way. My 65 L-320 pick up is pos earth with the carbon >pile regulator. I wonder if they needed to use them up? Mine as well, the nissan carbon pile regulator is in the box o' parts and there's a bosch generic regulator in place. I've begun a resto on the cracked up steering wheel BTW Roadster Content: Does anyone see a potential problem with using the map-light wiring to power a cel-phone charger (the cigarette-lighter plug type). -Marc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 15:38:09 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Lehinger" , Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:33:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping Lee, 70 & 71 Zs had a removable bell housing or in other words a 3 piece tranny casing. The later cars reverted to 2 piece casings like the 4 speed. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Lehinger To: Datsun-Roadsters ; Gordon Glasgow Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: RE: Transmission gear swapping > My brother put a u20 5 spd in his 71 Z and used the stock z bell > housing....did early cars come with a removeable bellhousing? This sure > messed up the speedo reading... I drove it to N. Mich with 70 speed limit - > was reading 85 mph in 5 gear... I wondered why it took so much less time to > get home... I was actually running closer to 100-110. no tickets... > Lee Ehinger > OROC > Ft Wayne IN > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gordon > Glasgow > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 7:45 PM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping > > > At one time Nissan Comp sold a special bellhousing to mount a U20 5-speed > in a Z. But as was > mentioned, the Z 5-speeds came with an integral bellhousing. Of course, a > true hard-core hot-rodder > wouldn't let a little thing like that stop him if he had access to a welder > who was good enough to > cut the bellhousing off a Z and weld on a roadster one. But it would really > have to be done > precisely or else the input shaft would probably bind up in the back of the > crankshaft. > > Kyle Hagemann wrote: > > > > The Roadster tranny is unique onto the R and U engines. So I know > > > that a 510 tranny isn't a bolt-up swap because of the bellhousing and > > > who knows what else (length? starter location? Whatever). BUT.. > > > are the internal designs similar? Can I pull the internals from a 510 > > > box and put them into a Roadster box? The 510 has two different ratios, > > > one that matches our Roadsters and another, lower ratio. I haven't > > > compared part numbers on the fiche yet; that'll probably tell me, but > > > has anyone out there successfully done such tinkering? > > > > > > -- John > > > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA > > > > Hi John- > > > > I've wondered this too, especially as the Z units seem to be more > > common (read=inexpensive) than the roadster trannies. > > > > Way-back-in-tha-day, before the 5speed 280Z's came along, it was > > not unheard of to put a roadster trans in a 240Z. Building theory > > on hearsay (heresy?;-) it stands to reason that the L bellhousing > > can be swapped with the U/R bellhousing... (I can hear someone out > > there thinking, "U/R silly!") > > > > I have it first hand from a local Z dude that the servo-type roadster > > five speeds appear nearly identical to the BW-type Z units. 'Course, > > things can look a lot alike and still be incompatible. > > > > So I dunno! But it seems that you could put a Z/ZX/510/PU/200sx/etc > > trans into a roadster with a bellhousing swap. But it's likely more > > complicated... bearing bores and shift rod holes have been mentioned > > as a stumbling block when converting a CA tranny to L-series duty; I > > wouldn't be surprised to hear that similar shenanigans are required > > for a L->U/R swap. > > > > Anyone have some of ye olde Z-carre hop up manuals from the mid/late > > 70's hanging about, and/or have first-hand knowledge of what it takes > > to get a roadster unit in a Z? That tech oughtta be backwards- > > compatible with a Z->roadster swap. > > > > 'Course, I've just shelled out the bucks to fix my Roadster 5spd, so > > there better not be an easy L-tranny swap;-D > > > > HTH > > Kyle > > still broken > > -- > Gordon Glasgow > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 16:01:50 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Roadster List Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:00:50 +0200 Subject: Re: US GP ...and the Finn should win! Thomas Ronnie Day wrote: > > > >Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com writes: > > > ><> > > > > Greg Morrison: > > >Over 200,000 tickets sold. No hotel rooms for over a 50 mile radius. I > >think at least a few people must be kind of up for it. My son and I leave > >for Indy at 1:00pm today. If you're watching on TV, look for me. I'll be > >the guy in the red hat with the Ferrari logo. > > >PS to Les and Dennis: I asked Jono if he wanted to give his ticket to you > >and he really gave it some serious thought, and after about a split second > >he said no. Sorry. > > Greg, > > I'm more than a bit envious. Have fun and wave big, we'll be looking for > you on our 55 inch Mitsu TV. Looks like we're gonna have a good group > Sunday, maybe Saturday for qualifying, too, if I can talk Elayne into it. > > I've been very impressed with Speedvision's "Grand Preview" series. > They've done a very good job of marketing the race and teaching about the > current state of F1, IMO. Should be a lot of fun. > > Ronnie Day > ronday@home.com > ------------------ > Dallas/Ft. Worth > ------------------ > '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) > '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 16:17:28 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:15:53 +0200 Subject: Re: electrical system questions No problem if it's a late model phone. My phone charger max output is 0.65 Amps Thomas > > > Marc Tyler wrote: > > > > > > > Roadster Content: Does anyone see a potential problem with using the > > map-light wiring to power a cel-phone charger (the cigarette-lighter plug > > type). > > > > -Marc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 16:28:45 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Datsun-Roadsters Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:27:27 +0200 Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping 240Z up to January 1972 had the 5-speed A-type transmission (3-piece housing/FS5C71A) in Europe. The same cars had the vertical rear window heater lines. From later on they got the B-type 5-speed transmission (2-piece/FS5C71B) and the horizontal heater lines. Other useless trivia, they both had an overdrive 5:th gear, servo synchro's and 3.90:1 final drive. Thomas datsunmike wrote: > Lee, > > 70 & 71 Zs had a removable bell housing or in other words a 3 piece tranny > casing. The later cars reverted to 2 piece casings like the 4 speed. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lehinger > To: Datsun-Roadsters ; Gordon Glasgow > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:48 AM > Subject: RE: Transmission gear swapping > > > My brother put a u20 5 spd in his 71 Z and used the stock z bell > > housing....did early cars come with a removeable bellhousing? This sure > > messed up the speedo reading... I drove it to N. Mich with 70 speed > limit - > > was reading 85 mph in 5 gear... I wondered why it took so much less time > to > > get home... I was actually running closer to 100-110. no tickets... > > Lee Ehinger > > OROC > > Ft Wayne IN > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gordon > > Glasgow > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 7:45 PM > > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: Transmission gear swapping > > > > > > At one time Nissan Comp sold a special bellhousing to mount a U20 5-speed > > in a Z. But as was > > mentioned, the Z 5-speeds came with an integral bellhousing. Of course, a > > true hard-core hot-rodder > > wouldn't let a little thing like that stop him if he had access to a > welder > > who was good enough to > > cut the bellhousing off a Z and weld on a roadster one. But it would > really > > have to be done > > precisely or else the input shaft would probably bind up in the back of > the > > crankshaft. > > > > Kyle Hagemann wrote: > > > > > > The Roadster tranny is unique onto the R and U engines. So I know > > > > that a 510 tranny isn't a bolt-up swap because of the bellhousing and > > > > who knows what else (length? starter location? Whatever). BUT.. > > > > are the internal designs similar? Can I pull the internals from a 510 > > > > box and put them into a Roadster box? The 510 has two different > ratios, > > > > one that matches our Roadsters and another, lower ratio. I haven't > > > > compared part numbers on the fiche yet; that'll probably tell me, but > > > > has anyone out there successfully done such tinkering? > > > > > > > > -- John > > > > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA > > > > > > Hi John- > > > > > > I've wondered this too, especially as the Z units seem to be more > > > common (read=inexpensive) than the roadster trannies. > > > > > > Way-back-in-tha-day, before the 5speed 280Z's came along, it was > > > not unheard of to put a roadster trans in a 240Z. Building theory > > > on hearsay (heresy?;-) it stands to reason that the L bellhousing > > > can be swapped with the U/R bellhousing... (I can hear someone out > > > there thinking, "U/R silly!") > > > > > > I have it first hand from a local Z dude that the servo-type roadster > > > five speeds appear nearly identical to the BW-type Z units. 'Course, > > > things can look a lot alike and still be incompatible. > > > > > > So I dunno! But it seems that you could put a Z/ZX/510/PU/200sx/etc > > > trans into a roadster with a bellhousing swap. But it's likely more > > > complicated... bearing bores and shift rod holes have been mentioned > > > as a stumbling block when converting a CA tranny to L-series duty; I > > > wouldn't be surprised to hear that similar shenanigans are required > > > for a L->U/R swap. > > > > > > Anyone have some of ye olde Z-carre hop up manuals from the mid/late > > > 70's hanging about, and/or have first-hand knowledge of what it takes > > > to get a roadster unit in a Z? That tech oughtta be backwards- > > > compatible with a Z->roadster swap. > > > > > > 'Course, I've just shelled out the bucks to fix my Roadster 5spd, so > > > there better not be an easy L-tranny swap;-D > > > > > > HTH > > > Kyle > > > still broken > > > > -- > > Gordon Glasgow > > http://www.gordon-glasgow.org > > > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 17:19:18 2000 From: "Ryan, Richard" To: "'Thomas the Swede'" , Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:20:39 -0700 Subject: RE: US GP Or maybe a prancing pony. Dick Ryan ex. 24022 (650)312-4022 Risk Management Dept. SM 2000/2 FAX (650)312-5830 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas the Swede [mailto:csp311@telia.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:01 PM To: Roadster List Subject: Re: US GP ...and the Finn should win! Thomas Ronnie Day wrote: > > > >Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com writes: > > > ><> > > > > Greg Morrison: > > >Over 200,000 tickets sold. No hotel rooms for over a 50 mile radius. I > >think at least a few people must be kind of up for it. My son and I leave > >for Indy at 1:00pm today. If you're watching on TV, look for me. I'll be > >the guy in the red hat with the Ferrari logo. > > >PS to Les and Dennis: I asked Jono if he wanted to give his ticket to you > >and he really gave it some serious thought, and after about a split second > >he said no. Sorry. > > Greg, > > I'm more than a bit envious. Have fun and wave big, we'll be looking for > you on our 55 inch Mitsu TV. Looks like we're gonna have a good group > Sunday, maybe Saturday for qualifying, too, if I can talk Elayne into it. > > I've been very impressed with Speedvision's "Grand Preview" series. > They've done a very good job of marketing the race and teaching about the > current state of F1, IMO. Should be a lot of fun. > > Ronnie Day > ronday@home.com > ------------------ > Dallas/Ft. Worth > ------------------ > '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) > '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 17:38:36 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: "Ryan, Richard" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:37:35 +0200 Subject: Re: US GP Only if the little Brazilian guy is driving. I dont like that other guy driving the red cars. Thomas (50% Finn by birth) Ryan, Richard wrote: > Or maybe a prancing pony. > > Dick Ryan ex. 24022 > (650)312-4022 > Risk Management Dept. > SM 2000/2 > FAX (650)312-5830 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas the Swede [mailto:csp311@telia.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:01 PM > To: Roadster List > Subject: Re: US GP > > ...and the Finn should win! > > Thomas > > Ronnie Day wrote: > > > > > > >Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com writes: > > > > > ><> > > > > > > Greg Morrison: > > > > >Over 200,000 tickets sold. No hotel rooms for over a 50 mile radius. I > > >think at least a few people must be kind of up for it. My son and I > leave > > >for Indy at 1:00pm today. If you're watching on TV, look for me. I'll > be > > >the guy in the red hat with the Ferrari logo. > > > > >PS to Les and Dennis: I asked Jono if he wanted to give his ticket to > you > > >and he really gave it some serious thought, and after about a split > second > > >he said no. Sorry. > > > > Greg, > > > > I'm more than a bit envious. Have fun and wave big, we'll be looking for > > you on our 55 inch Mitsu TV. Looks like we're gonna have a good group > > Sunday, maybe Saturday for qualifying, too, if I can talk Elayne into it. > > > > I've been very impressed with Speedvision's "Grand Preview" series. > > They've done a very good job of marketing the race and teaching about the > > current state of F1, IMO. Should be a lot of fun. > > > > Ronnie Day > > ronday@home.com > > ------------------ > > Dallas/Ft. Worth > > ------------------ > > '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) > > '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 18:08:20 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Thomas" , Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:03:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Solex intake manifold Tom, Try this site. It has the R16 listed http://www.piercemanifolds.com/mid.html Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:33 AM Subject: Solex intake manifold > Does anyone know where to find a Solex (Weber DCOE) > intake manifold for the R type engine? > > Thomas > the Swede > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 18:50:45 2000 From: "Adam Fox" To: "Roman Rist" , Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:46:24 +1000 Subject: Re: electrical system questions Well it appears to be factory, all the guages work as neg ground also, including the clock. I also was of the understanding that it should have been pos ground, but its a weird crossover model, with the ashtray set into a hole in the body near the shifter, and the later style boot lid without the big handle. Adam Fox 65 1500 71 2LFJ20 Turbo 510 ---------- > From: Roman Rist > To: Adam Fox ; datsun roadsters > Subject: Re: electrical system questions > Date: Thursday, 21 September 2000 12:03 > > > --- Adam Fox wrote: > > My 65 1500 is neg ground(thank god for that!) > > > > Come that way? or was it converted? > > __________________________________________________ > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 19:25:47 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:31:57 -0700 Subject: Roadster hunting BADROCrs My son Daniel thought some one had a yellow roadster for sale. He spoke to the guy at McDonalds the day of CALSPEEDs BBQ. Can you tell me the details? Daniel is looking for a roadster,as he sold his Honda David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 20:07:36 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:09:52 -0700 Subject: Thompson Olympic Update For those of you who are following the Chris Thompson's progress. He has qualified 6th for the finals of the 1500. Mike Nowroc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 20:42:25 2000 From: Nik Burns To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:44:45 -0600 Subject: New home for SPL311 02384 Just picked up a '66 1600, SPL311 02384. It was garaged for the last 4 years in Colorado and was being restored when it was put to bed. The body is very straight, with a decent paint (another red roadster). Most all of the bits and pieces seem to be there, but I will know more about these as I really get into it. The motor has not been turned in 4 years, but rolled over by hand, with about the same resistance as my 69 has, so I figure it may be in decent shape. Brakes are there, barely. Clutch and transmission feel good, but when the transmission on the 69 died, it felt good when the car wasn't running, just wouldn't shift when it was running. I think I can get most of the mechanical worked out in a month or so, at least I hope so. The seller told me all numbers matched. Hope so, but the fun in it for me is getting the car to run and being able to drive it. I can just see it now, which car gets to run to work today???? Maybe drive one halfway, run back and get the other one and drive it the rest of the way? Nik Burns '69 SPL311 22593 '66 SPL311 02384 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 22:41:11 2000 From: frankr@hwcn.org (Frank Roggeband) To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:40:45 -0400 Subject: Digital Camera As an employee in the photo-finishing division of Kodak, Stick with film;-). Eventually we will be tearing out our nasty chemicals for racks and racks of hard drives, printing on glossy with a dry process, but for now film is the superior media. Don't get me wrong though, digital cameras have their place too for conveniece but until inkjet or colour laser printer technology improves nothing beats a real photo. Now a digital camera image printed with a crt printer onto photograpic paper... pretty damn good too. For a digital camera, purchase the highest resolution that you can afford. Better a higher resolution with less bells and whistles than a low res that reminds you your anniversary is coming up. Borrow one or two if you can and ask other owners. Well, seems you already have. There's nothing worse than paying $400 or $500 for something you don't like or won't use. Later. Take lots of photo's! -- Frank Roggeband | 67.5 1600, 69 1600, 69 510, 71 510, 75 710, 93 KingCab Grimsby Ontario | Http://www.hwcn.org/~ae845/Profile.html Canada | email-->frankr@hwcn.org Electronics Technician and Datsun Enthusiast. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 22:41:16 2000 From: frankr@hwcn.org (Frank Roggeband) To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:24:42 -0400 Subject: Ontario Z-Car. Earlier I posted a message about a car for sale here in Ontario Canada for an unbelievably high asking price. I tried the url and it didn't work. It may be problems with my connection since windoze went ustable on me and I had to dump my hard drive again:-(. Anyway go to http://www.ontariozcar.com and follow the link to 2000 Z-fest. Lots of Z's 510's and a couple of roadsters. Hopefully mine next year. Note the crappy digital photo's. One of those sony's with the floppy drive. As for the one that is for sale, Well I'll see what happens in a couple of months then maybe do some clever bargaining. Later, -- Frank Roggeband | 67.5 1600, 69 1600, 69 510, 71 510, 75 710, 93 KingCab Grimsby Ontario | Http://www.hwcn.org/~ae845/Profile.html Canada | email-->frankr@hwcn.org Electronics Technician and Datsun Enthusiast. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 22:41:16 2000 From: frankr@hwcn.org (Frank Roggeband) To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:41:10 -0400 Subject: Another update Body in primer. doors being re-skinned. -- Frank Roggeband | 67.5 1600, 69 1600, 69 510, 71 510, 75 710, 93 KingCab Grimsby Ontario | Http://www.hwcn.org/~ae845/Profile.html Canada | email-->frankr@hwcn.org Electronics Technician and Datsun Enthusiast. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 22:57:32 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:00:50 -0700 Subject: Peter Browns' race car Peter Brown, Are you the owner AND driver of the 69 2000 solex equipted race car sitting up at Meledy Toyota in San Bruno? Are you on this list or anyone know him or the history of his car? Looks like it was just painted in BRE scheme, white, blue hood, strips are one red one blue, sporting number 2 David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 21 23:58:13 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: casalp@earthlink.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:57:15 EDT Subject: Re: Peter Browns' race car In a message dated 9/21/00 9:58:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, casalp@earthlink.net writes: << Are you the owner AND driver of the 69 2000 solex equipted race car sitting up at Meledy Toyota in San Bruno? >> Hey Dave... what are you talking about? Is there a Roadster at Melody. I gotta talk to that guy. Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 00:48:24 2000 From: Dennis Currington To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:47:40 -0700 Subject: Re: US GP Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com wrote: > Is anyone else excited about this? F1 in America again? When it was first > announced I poo poohed it because of my disdain for what Tony George has > done to open wheel racing. (I'm a BIG CART fan). Now that it's here I'm all > geeked up and really wish I were going. There's a lesson here somewhere. > > Chris Brucciani > 1968 2000 I plan on watching the practices tomorrow morning on the Internet site. No TV coverage until Qualiying on Sat morning. We will have a report on it from Greg Morrison (Magic1910) who is there right now. Dennis -- Dennis Currington 1967.5 Solex 2000 San Diego http://www.Datsuns.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 04:53:52 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:52:57 +0200 Subject: Re: Solex intake manifold Thanks everyone! I have found a few different sources for this manifold. If anyone have a used manifold like this you want to get rid of, let me know. Thomas Thomas wrote: > Does anyone know where to find a Solex (Weber DCOE) > intake manifold for the R type engine? > > Thomas > the Swede From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 09:29:59 2000 From: jon_wissler@pngc.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:38:17 -0700 Subject: Soft Top Bow I'm such a dumb ass. After struggling with the soft top for half an hour after work last night, I went home (driving with my hand on the center clamp to hold it down), and put area lights near the top to heat it up a bit for another try in the morning. Another half hour of frustrating attempts to get the center clamp to "sit down" and I was cussing up a blue streak. Just when I thought I had finally found the method to get the damn thing on fairly easily too. My ideal solution? Do my best Bobby Knight impersonation and use a f&*%$*g hammer of course ! The center settled, but I think I have finally discovered "the bow", which now appears bent all to hell, and now the side clasps won't stay latched. Have I completely screwed myself, or is there a way or a vendor that can rescue me from my idiocy? What I really need is a new top, but I don't have the funds at this time. Would any reputable upholstery shop be able to repair the bow, or have I possibly fried it beyond repair. What the hell is it made of anyway. It feels like metal under the top fabric. Has anybody tried to fabricate one out of plastic? From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 10:18:08 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Frank Roggeband" , Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:21:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Digital Camera Frank Roggeband wrote >As an employee in the photo-finishing division of Kodak, Stick with film;-). >Eventually we will be tearing out our nasty chemicals for racks and racks >of hard drives, printing on glossy with a dry process, but for now film >is the superior media. Don't get me wrong though, digital cameras have their >place too for conveniece but until inkjet or colour laser printer technology >improves nothing beats a real photo. Now a digital camera image printed with >a crt printer onto photograpic paper... pretty damn good too. Pardon the off topic soap-box time, but... If there's anything you want to actually look at in 10 years, stick to film! Howmany of you out there have 760k floppies you can't read or worse tons of work done on Ataris Amigas, Amstrads and other defunct platforms...lost forever. Take a neg or slide taken with your dad with his argus camera during WWII to the photo lab, and you can get copies, no problem. As a rule of thumb, B/W is the most stable (lasts centuries) Slide film, properly stored, is pretty good, may last 100 years if it's Kodachrome (Frank, can you still get Kodachrome?) Unfortunately color Negative film's life can be measured in decades. I'm lazy, I use digital camera for web-based stuff, and color neg film in general, but when a project turns out well, or seems important (like when my roadster was completed about a decade ago, I use slide film. -Marc T. Off the soapbox. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 11:05:22 2000 From: "fredkatz" To: "Marc Tyler" , Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:04:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Digital Camera [O.T.] Mark, Excellent point. I've got 60 year old family pictures still in good shape. On the other hand, I have 15 year old pics that are messed up. The key is "properly stored"! A lot of plastic sheet covers have acids that eat pictures, and negs can be scratched easily. A lot of computer media will be useless in ten years unless one moves the digital media to newer formats. In my early programming days my code went to punched paper tape spools and reel tape; I still have some but the readers are in museums. Also happened with 8-inch and 5-1/4-inch floppies, etc. CD-RW's are guaranteed up to 100 years life, but I'll still move the digital pics to newer media as it's invented. The media may last a long time, but devices don't (hard drives have a 100% failure rate over time). BTW, my color digital printouts are better than instamatic prints with cheap standard cameras. But good 35-mm cameras still beat them (I just don't like the hassle of scanning pics). Fred -So.SF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Tyler" To: "Frank Roggeband" ; "Roadster list" Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Digital Camera > Pardon the off topic soap-box time, but... > If there's anything you want to actually look at in 10 years, stick > to film! > Howmany of you out there have 760k floppies you can't read or worse tons > of work done on Ataris Amigas, Amstrads and other defunct > platforms...lost forever. Take a neg or slide taken with your dad with > his argus camera during WWII to the photo lab, and you can get copies, no > problem. > > As a rule of thumb, B/W is the most stable (lasts centuries) Slide > film, properly stored, is pretty good, may last 100 years if it's > Kodachrome (Frank, can you still get Kodachrome?) Unfortunately color > Negative film's life can be measured in decades. > > I'm lazy, I use digital camera for web-based stuff, and color neg > film in general, but when a project turns out well, or seems important > (like when my roadster was completed about a decade ago, I use slide film. > > -Marc T. > Off the soapbox. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 12:19:41 2000 From: "Dan Zubkoff" To: CalSpeed@aol.com, casalp@earthlink.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:18:51 GMT Subject: Re: Peter Browns' race car At the service dealership at Melody Toyota in San Bruno,CA there is a neat looking roadster racer. In the showroom (which is used for car storage, not as a showroom) there are several very nice cars....with the best of them being a nice SPL/SRL. Never had a chance to find out who owns them, but I'm sure the service department would know. Dan Zubkoff San Mateo, CA >From: CalSpeed@aol.com >Reply-To: CalSpeed@aol.com >To: casalp@earthlink.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: Peter Browns' race car >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:57:15 EDT > >In a message dated 9/21/00 9:58:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >casalp@earthlink.net writes: > ><< Are you the owner AND driver of the 69 2000 solex equipted race car > sitting up at Meledy Toyota in San Bruno? >> > >Hey Dave... what are you talking about? Is there a Roadster at Melody. I >gotta talk to that guy. > >Calspeed _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 12:36:56 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Good Fuel LInes?? Hello All, I am planning on replacing my underhood rubber fuel lines soon. I have heard it said on the list to 'buy good quality lines' What does that mean exactly?? What makes a good quality fule line? Next where can I get one?? It seems like here in SF the only car parts places I ever see are the Grand Auto's. I am told that they carry really bad cheap hoses?? Daniel 69 2000 SF CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 12:47:20 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, badroc@lists.best.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:48:05 -0700 Subject: Pacifica Fog Fest Car Show Hi, Reminder - the Pacifica Fog Fest & Car Show is this Saturday 9/23/00 and Sunday 9/24/00 in Pacifica on the coast just south of San Francisco. Lots of beautiful classic cars! On Saturday morning some BADROC members will meet up in Daly City at the McDonalds on Serramonte Blvd across from the mall at Gellert Blvd. 8:00 a.m. The Fog Fest goes from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Let's leave about 8:20. We should be okay to get to Pacifica about 8:30 to set up, as the booths get setup long before the cars do. There's a $20 reg fee if you didn't pre-reg. We'll jump onto I-280 north towards SF but immediately take the CA-1 ramp that heads south to Pacifica. It's about 2 miles to the Palmetto Ave/Manor Drive exit (you'll see another McDonalds there). Then it's about half a mile down Palmetto to the setup area near Surf St. The Sharp Park School there is where the registration materials are handed out. Hopefully we'll get some clear weather so we can show good pics to the roadster list. It ain't named the Fog Fest for nothing. '98 we had rain and overcast in the morning followed by hot sun in the afternoon. '99 started with fog and then hot sun. Fred - So.SF BADROC '66 2L "Loosey" From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 13:04:40 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Brian Cano's interior Hello All, Does anybody remember the name of the upholstry shop that did Brian Cano's car?? I know they are located in oakland and they do really good work for a fair price. He told me the name once and I have completely forgotten it.... Daniel 69 2000 SF CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 13:27:35 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:29:15 -0500 Subject: Skirt, springs ......... Hey all - I received my NOWROC skirt last night - VERY COOL!!! I love their logo! They even used my red '66 as a model in the logo :-) It is a good addition to the Roadster shirt collection. My Comp. front springs are back-ordered from Sports Imports via Nissan Motorsports. I called CDM looking for some - same story - Nissan is out. CDM is trying to get more made and will keep us posted. Also, CDM said Nissan is slowing/stopping production of a lot of our parts. They recommend if you are planning a restoration in the future to buy parts NOW - you my not get them next year. Get the check book/VISA out and call your favorite vendor! On that note - does anyone have some comp front springs for sale - new/used? Took my '66 Jag E- type owner neighbor for a ride and did a 180 hand break turn in front of the house. He loved it!! Next morning I heard his Jag crank up and head for the undeveloped part of the subdivision. 5 minutes later he showed up in my driveway. "My hand brake will not work and I can't come out of a corner like you. I wish my Jag ran like your Roadster". I told him the only way to solve that is buy a Roadster :-) Everyone have a safe weekend - Happy Roadstering - keep the SUVs on four wheels. Phil SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 13:53:44 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:52:54 EDT Subject: Re: Skirt, springs ......... In a message dated 9/22/00 12:30:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov writes: > I received my NOWROC skirt last night - VERY COOL!!! Skirt ?!? Now ya gotta shave your legs Phil ! Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 14:02:37 2000 From: "Robert Morrow" To: "'Hall, Phillip'" , Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:57:59 -0400 Subject: RE: Skirt, springs ......... Phil; Do you always wear a SKIRT?????? -----Original Message----- From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hall, Phillip Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 3:29 PM To: Roadsters (E-mail) Subject: Skirt, springs ......... Hey all - I received my NOWROC skirt last night - VERY COOL!!! I love their logo! They even used my red '66 as a model in the logo :-) It is a good addition to the Roadster shirt collection. My Comp. front springs are back-ordered from Sports Imports via Nissan Motorsports. I called CDM looking for some - same story - Nissan is out. CDM is trying to get more made and will keep us posted. Also, CDM said Nissan is slowing/stopping production of a lot of our parts. They recommend if you are planning a restoration in the future to buy parts NOW - you my not get them next year. Get the check book/VISA out and call your favorite vendor! On that note - does anyone have some comp front springs for sale - new/used? Took my '66 Jag E- type owner neighbor for a ride and did a 180 hand break turn in front of the house. He loved it!! Next morning I heard his Jag crank up and head for the undeveloped part of the subdivision. 5 minutes later he showed up in my driveway. "My hand brake will not work and I can't come out of a corner like you. I wish my Jag ran like your Roadster". I told him the only way to solve that is buy a Roadster :-) Everyone have a safe weekend - Happy Roadstering - keep the SUVs on four wheels. Phil SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 14:14:34 2000 From: Hoon Kim To: Daniel Neuman , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:13:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Brian Cano's interior Was that the orange car? If so I have the number but not with me. At 12:04 PM -0700 9/22/00, Daniel Neuman wrote: >Hello All, > Does anybody remember the name of the upholstry shop that did >Brian Cano's car?? I know they are located in oakland and they do really >good work for a fair price. He told me the name once and I have >completely forgotten it.... > Daniel 69 2000 > SF CA -- - Hoon Kim - x6184 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 14:23:22 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:24:44 -0500 Subject: OOps!! Ok - a little red faced - matches my Roadster. Sorry - NOWROC has cool SHIRTS :-) My wife's lady Bic shaver is safe for now. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 14:38:21 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:35:08 -0500 Subject: Re: electrical system questions Sid, Right you are! My brain slipped a cog with that one, as Hitachi did produce the "positive" ground alternators. Darn, need more coffee... That or I'll start losing my memory when I turn 40... opps, I am over 40. ;-) Cheers, Tom sidney raper wrote: > Thomas, > > I have to beg to differ. I have an alternator 64 model with Positive > ground. My understanding was that ALL 1500s were positive ground from the > factory. I could be wrong though about that point though. I can tell you > that the alternator mount has a rubber bushing in it on my car. > > Sid > > >From: "Thomas Walter" > >Reply-To: "Thomas Walter" > >To: road > >Subject: Re: electrical system questions > >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:28:41 -0500 > > > >Roman, > > > >The '63 vehicles were positive ground (i.e. the single > >carb'd 1500 engine). > > > >I think SOME '64 vehicles were still positive ground. They > >had a generators fitted to them. > > > >Later cars (i.e. some late '64) and '65 on have alternators > >fitted. Those are all negative ground. > > > >I know ALL alternator fitted vehicles were negative ground. > >What I am not sure of if Datsun had any negative grounded > >vehicles fitted with generators. Perhaps someone who knows > >the early years better can supply that tidbit. > > > >Oh, on a generator you are instructed to "flash" the windings > >when installing them. In reality just bolt them in place, and > >have the battery charged up before starting the car. The > >generators will "self magnetize" to supply the correct polarity. > >This is one reason why you will see lots of older. > > > >The '63 Bluebird I had sold early this year had a later model > >alternator fitted. Never had it running to see if the water > >temp and fuel gauge's worked correctly. That is the only typical > >problem when changing polarity of the system. Of course the wires > >to the ignition coil need to be swapped if you find the center > >electrode of the plugs has no wear, but the "J" grounding electrode > >has worn down. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Tom Walter > >Austin, TX > > > > > > > > > >Roman Rist wrote: > > > > > > --- Adam Fox wrote: > > > > My 65 1500 is neg ground(thank god for that!) > > > > > > > > > > Come that way? or was it converted? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 15:02:56 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... Hello All, Just because we have not had a good Solex vs. SU thread for a while I thought I would pose this question. Okay besides the cool induction noise of the solex I see the main differences between the two being.. Solex's are fixed choke/venturi designs with one carb per cylinder. These are 'better' than SU's because at higher rpm's they don't choke off the engine. No balence tubes between cylinders bad midrange and off idle performance because of fixed venturi creates less than adequate vacuum. Su's are 'better' because they have a variable venturi which self- regulates its size so you always have a good vacuum. You get lots better off idle perfomance and midrange. They are 'bad' because their maximum venturi size does not allow enough air/fuel mixture at higher rpm's and it chokes of the engine. The balance tubes also help smooth out the intake pulses and you get a smoother running engine. Now heres my question: Has anybody ever tried fitted bigger su's to a 2000 engine?? What about fitting 4 SU's to the engine and having one carb per cylinder?? Would either of these ideas fix the high rpm flow problem?? Could you have a car that had good off idle performance good midrange and good top end?? Just Wondering. Daniel 69 2000 SF CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 17:23:11 2000 From: "Andy Cost" To: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:29:59 -0500 Subject: spotted in denton Mark, Was that you I saw going under I-35 on loop 288 this evening? Whoever it was, he had a pretty white roadster. Andy From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 17:34:45 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: Daniel Neuman Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:34:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... Daniel asks: > Could you have a car > that had good off idle performance good midrange and good top end?? Yeah - install fuel injection. And add variable valve timing :-) IN GENERAL, the SU's are more for the street and the Solexes are more for the track. On the street, you need lower-end power, on the track you need higher-end power. IN GENERAL. Looking at the Nissan performance curves, it's interesting to note that the SU setup outperforms the solex setup below 4000 RPM. They're equal at 4000, and then the solexes gain the advantage above 4000. Whenever discussing carburetion, remember that more is NOT better. If you tried fitting 4 SU's, you want each one to be SMALLER than what's on there now. Perhaps not quite half the current size, but down there somewhere. Hmmm, a quad of R (1.5") su's? Also, as an interesting pondering point, the SU's are only working half the time. And a solex only works a QUARTER of the time. If you could get an ideal intake manifold, simplistic logic says that a SINGLE carb will work fine, as there is only one cylinder pulling at any moment... The problem, it seems, is in getting the intake to provide an equidistant path from the carb to each cylinder... -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 17:35:26 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:35:01 EDT Subject: Joe Hauser racing engine mods pages up Hello lists As promised the Joe Hauser race engine pages are now up - a mix of memories and tips re race engine building courtesy of Joe himself. There are also more gallery images and a piece on Joe's first Datsun runoffs win. Access through http://www,datsun.org/fairlady/ColJoeHauser.htm Enjoy! Rob From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 17:42:22 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:41:40 EDT Subject: Sorry Bad Link - Joe Hauser racing engine mods --part1_41.12c015e.26fd4834_boundary Yes, sorry - bad link http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/ColJoeHauser.htm Enjoy More! Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register --part1_41.12c015e.26fd4834_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:36:43 -0400 Received: from teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (teamfat2.dsl.aros.net [207.173.21.42]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:36:11 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8MNZD604780 for datsun-roadsters-actors; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:35:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: teamfat2.dsl.aros.net: majordom set sender to owner-datsun-roadsters@Autox.Team.Net using -f From: RoadsteRob@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:35:01 EDT Subject: Joe Hauser racing engine mods pages up To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 140 Sender: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: RoadsteRob@aol.com Hello lists As promised the Joe Hauser race engine pages are now up - a mix of memories and tips re race engine building courtesy of Joe himself. There are also more gallery images and a piece on Joe's first Datsun runoffs win. Access through http://www,datsun.org/fairlady/ColJoeHauser.htm Enjoy! Rob --part1_41.12c015e.26fd4834_boundary-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 17:47:02 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Roadster 1 MGB 0 Hello All, Since my boss went home early today I think I will kill some time at work telling y'all a funny story. Irene and I were coming into SF from the North. There is this big long hill of reasonable climbing thats at least a couple of miles long. It was a nice night and we were just cruising along enjoying the view. Just before the hill I see this 70's ish MGB come up behind me and get really close to my rear bumper. Just as the hill is starting he pulls out to pass me. So of course I give my roadster a little bit more gas. It seems to take forever but now he is dead even with me. The funny thing is is that he is seems to still be trying desperately to pass me. I glance over at him and give him a causual smile-wave. He's like hunched over the wheel and gripping it really hard with both hands-this guy really wants to pass me-all that british car pride or what-not. So I jsut barely ease off the gas let him start to pass me. You can see he's obviously excited-he keeps looking back at me and checking to see his progress. Now Irene's even noticed this goofball and she's jsut shaking her head. I let his back bumper get about even with mine and then I goose the car. I shoot up to be even with the guy wait for him to look over- Irene and I both wave goodbye and I stomp on the gas. I shoot away from him like he's standing still and take it up to about 100mph for a couple of seconds.. He's just a little speck in my rearview mirror. And of course I laugh manically...... Daniel 69 2000 SF CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 17:50:29 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Daniel Neuman" , Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:46:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... Dan, Or you could get the SUs modified to flow more air as shown in the Bob Sharp Comp manual. I do believe Rebello offers this service. Ithink a modified SU will flow as much air as a street/strip engine will need and will be a lot cheaper too. Solexs look great but . . . most modified street cars just need SUs. In Grassroots they tested a Z with Webers then ripped them out and put on SUs and the car generally ran better w/only a slight sacrifice of top end power. The key to power ain't the carbs, it's in the head to let the engine breath better as was related to me by a well respected Cosworth/foreign race engine builder. Too bad he's so damn expensive though. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Neuman To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 5:02 PM Subject: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... > Hello All, > Just because we have not had a good Solex vs. SU thread for a while > I thought I would pose this question. > Okay besides the cool induction noise of the solex I see the main > differences between the two being.. > Solex's are fixed choke/venturi designs with one carb per cylinder. > These are 'better' than SU's because at higher rpm's they don't > choke off the engine. No balence tubes between cylinders bad midrange and > off idle performance because of fixed venturi creates less than adequate > vacuum. > Su's are 'better' because they have a variable venturi which self- > regulates its size so you always have a good vacuum. You get lots better > off idle perfomance and midrange. They are 'bad' because their maximum > venturi size does not allow enough air/fuel mixture at higher rpm's and it > chokes of the engine. The balance tubes also help smooth out the intake > pulses and you get a smoother running engine. > Now heres my question: > Has anybody ever tried fitted bigger su's to a 2000 engine?? What > about fitting 4 SU's to the engine and having one carb per cylinder?? Would > either of these ideas fix the high rpm flow problem?? Could you have a car > that had good off idle performance good midrange and good top end?? > > Just Wondering. > Daniel 69 2000 > SF CA > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 18:08:27 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: "Roadster List" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:08:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's (Long-Sayer Comments) > Just because we have not had a good Solex vs. SU thread for a while >I thought I would pose this question. > Okay besides the cool induction noise of the solex I see the main >differences between the two being.. > Solex's are fixed choke/venturi designs with one carb per cylinder. > These are 'better' than SU's because at higher rpm's they don't >choke off the engine. No balence tubes between cylinders bad midrange and >off idle performance because of fixed venturi creates less than adequate >vacuum. > Su's are 'better' because they have a variable venturi which self- >regulates its size so you always have a good vacuum. You get lots better >off idle perfomance and midrange. They are 'bad' because their maximum >venturi size does not allow enough air/fuel mixture at higher rpm's and it >chokes of the engine. The balance tubes also help smooth out the intake >pulses and you get a smoother running engine. > Now heres my question: > Has anybody ever tried fitted bigger su's to a 2000 engine?? What >about fitting 4 SU's to the engine and having one carb per cylinder?? Would >either of these ideas fix the high rpm flow problem?? Could you have a car >that had good off idle performance good midrange and good top end?? ______________________________________ Here what Marc Sayer posted to one of the lists a couple of years ago regarding the SU vs Weber/Solex question. IMO, it's sort of info that make these lists the invaluable resources. I definitely think it's worth repeating this sort of info periodically for the new folks. I don't remember the specific question Marc's replying to, but it apparently had something to do with running 40mm vs 45mm Webers. __________________________________________ Your main problem is that the chokes are *way* too big. You will want to run 28 to 32mm chokes. The smaller choke will provide better bottom end and throttle response (which, by your description, is what you are sorely lacking at this point). Do not get sucked into this bigger is better BS. The right size is better, and in fact that is almost always smaller than you would think, at least for a street car. Start with the smallest size you can get for the 45's which is probably a set of 28mm's, though they may be hard to find. You would think that a pair of 45's would flow better than a pair of 40's, however that is not true, especially at the smaller choke sizes. It is much harder to get 45's to work on too small an engine than it is to get 40's to work on too big an engine, at least for the street. The 40's will outflow the 45's in all choke sizes up to about 33mm at which point max flow is about 170cfm. This is when the 45's will equal the 40's for flow. In larger choke sizes than that, the 45's flow better than the 40's, as you would expect. However with 30mm chokes the 40's will flow about 160cfm whereas the 45's only flow about 137cfm. All these flow figures are for a single carb throat (not for both throats of the carb). When you compare this to the flow of a 1.5" SU, which is about 142cfm you can see that while the 40's offer s slight flow improvement over the SU's, the 45's actually flow less than the SU's at these smaller choke sizes. I have talked about this before on the list and it is a hard idea for many folks to get their minds around. When talking about the L4 series engine, which has no overlapping intake cycles, you must look at the size of the carb based on what size a single cylinder is fed by, and not the total combined carb size. The reason for this is simple enough, since only one cylinder is drawing in air at any given time, it is making exclusive use of the carb (or throat) that is feeding it at that point in time. In an SU setup, this means that any given cylinder has exclusive use of the SU that feeds its bank of cylinders, during its intake cycle. However it can not draw from the SU that feeds the other bank of cylinders. In other words you can think of the stock dual 1.5" SU set up as if it were a four carb setup, with each cylinder being fed by its own 1.5" SU. This would not be true if there were a time when more than one cylinder, fed by the same carb, were on the intake stroke at the same time. In that case you would need to divide the carb size by the number of cylinders drawing on it, to find the effective carb size. However on the dual Weber setup, where each carb throat feeds a single cylinder, the effective carb size is in fact the size of a single throttle bore. You can not combine both throttle bores of one carb, or combine the four throttle bores of both carbs, as is often done in American V8 four barrels, because each throttle bore has its own discrete manifold runner and feeds only one cylinder. That cylinder can not draw from the other throttle bore or the other carb, so as far as it is concerned, they do not exist. This would not be true if all the carbs fed into a large plenum, which then fed to the cylinders, but there is no way to make such a system work properly. So despite the urge to do as American 4 barrel carb makers do, and combine the flow of all 4 throats of a Weber dual set up, you really need to think of the duals in terms of the size (or flow) of a single throat. And despite the fact that there are only two SU's and that each one has only one throat, you still need to think of the SU's in terms of the size of a single throat. This is because that is what a single cylinder can draw through during its intake cycle. In this light you can see that dual 38mm SU's would be about the same as dual 38mm Webers despite the fact that there are two fewer throats in the dual SU setup, and dual 44mm SU's would be about the same as dual 44/45mm Weber or Mikuni's, again despite the fact that the SU's have two fewer throats. However due to their variable choke size, the SU's actually flow better when you factor in the small fixed choke size required to give the Weber/Mikuni's good drivability and throttle response for the street. This is why, for the street, most folks prefer the SU's and for the track (where drivability is not a factor and only top end power production is of concern) folks tend to prefer the Weber/Mikuni carbs. The advantage of the dual Weber/Mikuni setup over the dual SU's is not so much about increased flow (though for racing that can be a factor) as it is about better distribution. With the one throat per cylinder arrangement, each cylinder can be fed the same mixture and each cylinder can be tuned individually. With the one throat per two cylinders arrangement of the SU's, any tuning of the carb for one cylinder will also affect the tuning of that carb for the other cylinder in the bank. Plus the manifolding required to feed two cylinders from the same carb will almost certainly introduce an imbalance in the distribution of fuel between the two cylinders in that bank. To set up your carbs correctly, you will need the following, 1) good air horns (not the stock Weber type but some of the good shorty types that TWM sells with the good radius - length is irrelevant on this, its just the shape of the radiused entry that matters and how the horns will work inside the air filters) 2) good air filters (K&N's are all I would recommend - the British made K&N's are better than the American made versions - contact APT for the filters) 3)a recurved EI distributor set to about 20 deg. BTDC at idle and for about 34 deg total at about 3500 rpm 4)a manifold with a balance tube that connects all four runners together (not for the purposes of creating a plenum as I mentioned above but to act as a damper on the pressure waves that are created in the manifold as the intake valve opens and closes. Without these four items you will spend the rest of your life trying to make the carbs run right on the street. ________________________________________ Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth ------------------ '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 18:27:28 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Thomas the Swede Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:22:30 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: electrical system questions Speaking of power uses, I used an adapter to power my cell-phone on the way back from Shasta. I've got two sockets in my radio console plate - the stock cigarette lighter socket and a 12V accessory socket. We were at a McDonalds parking lot. I had a device in the accessory socket, and plugged the phone adapter in the cigarette lighter socket. All of a sudden a thick cloud of smoke started pouring from under the dash! Dana Nojima came running over with a fire extinguisher but I stopped him from using it while I yanked the wire off from behind the socket. (I didn't want to clean up after an extinguisher on my nice shiny dash.) The old socket power connection was shorting against the ground, and there was no fuse on the connection. I taped it up and we were on the road again. Moral of the story: 1) put a fuse on any accessory wiring, and 2) discard the stock sockets and replace only with new 12v accessory sockets (safer). Fred BADROC ________________________ Reply Separator _________________________ >Subject: Re: electrical system questions >Author: Thomas the Swede >Date: 9/22/2000 12:15 AM > >No problem if it's a late model phone. My phone charger max output is >0.65 Amps > >Thomas > >> >> Marc Tyler wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Roadster Content: Does anyone see a potential problem with using >the >> > map-light wiring to power a cel-phone charger (the >cigarette-lighter plug > > type). >> > >> > -Marc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 20:36:47 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:35:34 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster 1 MGB 0 Was at a friend's dyno place today where someone brought in an MG BGT to dyno. It put out something in the range of 76hp and 81lb ft to the wheels. That was a gain of a few hp and lb-ft over what it baselined at on his first run. He bumped up the timing a bit and performed some minor tweaks... and here's the kicker, he actually gained the most hp and torque when he put the air filters back on the dual SUs!!! And the car actually ran a little bit more lean with the filters in place (logic would seem to dictate the opposite to occur). Made me wonder what kind of numbers an R16 and U20 roadster would put out... \/ /\ /\/ www.sr20parts.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 20:40:39 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:40:09 EDT Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's (pressurizing the SUs) Has anyone ever tried using the SUs in a blow-through turbo application? I'm assuming that they won't work because the positive pressure will push the pistons up...? I've seen them used in draw-through turbo setups, but we're trying to avoid that right now. Any advice would be great.... \/ /\ /\/ www.sr20parts.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 20:51:57 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:48:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... > The key to power ain't the carbs, it's in the head to let the engine breath > better as was related to me by a well respected Cosworth/foreign race engine > builder. Too bad he's so damn expensive though. > Mike, This is true, but over looks a simple matter of the "swirl" of the combustion chamber. You can get two cylinder heads side by side, with head "A" flowing much more then head "B". Yet the paradox is that head "B" produces more HP at all rpm but the very top end. Difference is the port directing the incoming mixture. The more swirl and turbulence within the combustion chamber, the better the burning and more power is produced. I got to spend a couple days in a "Engine Fundamentals" class a few weeks back. Basically a graduate level course by University of Michigan crammed into two days. One interesting video was of some quartz cylinder engines with high speed video. I was fairly impressed, and shocked, to see puddles of unburned fuel sitting on the cylinder head! Yes, during combustion the puddle just sat there! Amazing. Also to watch the spark ignition was quite shocking... the flame would never blow in the same direction! Identical conditions, yet the turbulence flow was always in the different direction. In some cycles you could see an incomplete combustion, yet in the next a full burn of too rich of a mixture. I have to admit some old myth's die hard. I had for ages believed that premium fuel burned slower. Not so, all the grades burned the same. Premium just had the additives to prevent knock, so you can run a higher spark advance (which creates a higher pressure, hence better performance). Of course you need higher compression to take advantage of the advanced spark to gain the higher combustion pressure. Still had a great time in the class. Yes, work paid for me to "attend". One of the few times I would have gladly paid out of pocket! Cheers, Tom Walter From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 21:05:17 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: DemonTSi@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:01:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's (pressurizing the SUs) Demon, The carb responds to differential in pressure. So in the "blow through" application the carb is sealed inside a pressurized box. Obviously the fuel pressure going into the box has to be about 3 psi above the turbo pressure. Much simpler in this day and age to use fuel injection. Cheers, Tom Walter DemonTSi@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone ever tried using the SUs in a blow-through turbo application? I'm > assuming that they won't work because the positive pressure will push the > pistons up...? I've seen them used in draw-through turbo setups, but we're > trying to avoid that right now. Any advice would be great.... > > \/ /\ /\/ > www.sr20parts.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 21:10:25 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: DemonTSi@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:09:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's (pressurizing the SUs) Van asks: > Has anyone ever tried using the SUs in a blow-through turbo application? > I'm assuming that they won't work because the positive pressure will push > the pistons up...? The pistons rise because atmospheric pressure on the bottom of the piston is greater than manifold pressure applied to the top side. When you pressurize the manifold, I'm not sure the pistons won't stay firmly seated! Presumably, if you encase the ENTIRE carb in the pressure plenum, it'll work - that is, create an artificial 'atmosphere'. All outside air has to be accounted for and blocked. Oh yeah - this involves the fuel bowls, too! You've got to compensate (raise) the pump pressure to adjust for the added boost as well! Now you see why EFI is used with blowers... -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 22:20:18 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: Roadster List Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:25:53 -0700 Subject: Re: US GP They really have done a good job with the in-car cameras. I'm still not quite sure how Brundle can drive an F1 car and talk at the same time, with all those g-forces. Ronnie Day wrote: > I've been very impressed with Speedvision's "Grand Preview" series. > They've done a very good job of marketing the race and teaching about the > current state of F1, IMO. Should be a lot of fun. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 22:25:27 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:31:16 -0700 Subject: Re: SCCA Runoffs Be sure to cheer for Mark Jaremko in FF. His dad has the 2000 vintage car that is on my Web site. Paul (the dad) was actually one of the first roadster racers in the US, running a 1500 "way back when." Paul will be there with Mark. If you get a chance to get into the pits, stop by and say hi to them. Orocrodstr@aol.com wrote: > Any one out there going to attend the Runoffs at MId Ohio? If so let me know > and we'll arrange to meet. My wife and I will be there Oct 6 - 8. > > Chris Luers > OROC -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 22:29:08 2000 From: "William Hatfield" To: "Thomas Walter" , Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:29:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... Hey Tom and all: I think you hit the nail on the head, but you didn't say so. It's not just solexes or su's it's all the engine parts, it's a system and all the factors come into play not just the carbs. The intake, heads, ports valves, cam etc. all need to work together as one is not much good without the others. Bill 66&67spls in NM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Walter" To: "road" Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... > > The key to power ain't the carbs, it's in the head to let the engine breath > > better as was related to me by a well respected Cosworth/foreign race engine > > builder. Too bad he's so damn expensive though. > > > > Mike, > > This is true, but over looks a simple matter of the "swirl" of the combustion > chamber. > > You can get two cylinder heads side by side, with head "A" flowing much more > then head "B". Yet the paradox is that head "B" produces more HP at all rpm > but the very top end. > > Difference is the port directing the incoming mixture. The more swirl and > turbulence within the combustion chamber, the better the burning and more > power is produced. > > I got to spend a couple days in a "Engine Fundamentals" class a few weeks > back. Basically a graduate level course by University of Michigan crammed > into two days. One interesting video was of some quartz cylinder engines > with high speed video. I was fairly impressed, and shocked, to see puddles > of unburned fuel sitting on the cylinder head! Yes, during combustion the > puddle just sat there! Amazing. > > Also to watch the spark ignition was quite shocking... the flame would never > blow in the same direction! Identical conditions, yet the turbulence flow was > always in the different direction. In some cycles you could see an incomplete > combustion, yet in the next a full burn of too rich of a mixture. > > I have to admit some old myth's die hard. I had for ages believed that premium > fuel burned slower. Not so, all the grades burned the same. Premium just had > the additives to prevent knock, so you can run a higher spark advance (which > creates a higher pressure, hence better performance). Of course you need higher > compression to take advantage of the advanced spark to gain the higher > combustion > pressure. > > Still had a great time in the class. Yes, work paid for me to "attend". One of > the > few times I would have gladly paid out of pocket! > > Cheers, > > Tom Walter > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 22:29:39 2000 From: CarterCM@aol.com To: ra0618@email.sps.mot.com Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:29:10 EDT Subject: PING PING Tom, I've scratched my head on this a few times myself. Question...Gas CAN be refined to a higher octane (anti knock) without additives. So, isn't detonation (explosion) just a degree of the same process of rapid burn? So wouldn't the higher octane 'resist' the increase in rate of burn (burn slower) compared to a non-additive standard, as the ignition advances and pressure goes up? Craig Carter In a message dated 9/22/00 7:53:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ra0618@email.sps.mot.com writes: << I have to admit some old myth's die hard. I had for ages believed that premium fuel burned slower. Not so, all the grades burned the same. Premium just had the additives to prevent knock, so you can run a higher spark advance (which creates a higher pressure, hence better performance). Of course you need higher compression to take advantage of the advanced spark to gain the higher combustion pressure. >> From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 22 22:46:17 2000 From: DemonTSi@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:45:27 EDT Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's (pressurizing the SUs) Thanks to tom and john... I totally forgot bout the original idea of completely enveloping a carb in an air box in a blow-through turbo application. So I whipped up a little sketch of a very DIY air box using a steel tool box: http://members.nbci.com/stifus/airbox.gif Run a nice flange on the open area, use some good rubber stripping, and that baby should be able to handle 6psi with no probs! :) The fitting on the left side is for the fuel line... line from fuel pump attaches to the outside, and line to the carbs attaches to the inside. Ok, so we may not go with the toolbox idea, but I guess we will try to run a big air box and see how that goes... now when boost rises, there should be an equal amount of psi pushing down on the carbs' internals as there is psi pushing on the piston, but I'm assuming the velocity of the air going through the carbs will allow them to rise? Was thinking of also making an air horn with a flange to bolt on to the throat of each carb to house an additional injector also.. that'd probably be the only way to run an addlt inj in this application.... \/ /\ /\/ www.sr20parts.com From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 07:00:55 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:59:35 +0200 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... The main reasons why SU's were so popular with the auto manufacturers are price and simplicity and they work well on medium output engines. If SU's work dont mess with them. The reasons to use them in racing are either regulations or cost. Even Jaguar used Webers (or similar carbs) on their racing cars. The problem with SU's on street cars is they often fail the idle speed emission test that is used in many countries in Europe. The needles wear out quickly with todays gasoline. This require adjusting the carbs to run rich on idle to run okay while driving without using the choke all the time. Given the choise of SU or Weber I would take a Weber set in the correct size for the application every time. If I'm not restricted to carbs, I use fuel injection instead. No carbs can match the driveability and power output from a fuel injection system. The bad thing with fuel injection is the amount of time it takes to properly adjust it for custom applications. 15-20 years ago Weber carbs were still prefered over Bosch L-Jetronic with the flap door air mass meter because of better torque with Webers for Rally car applications but with the introduction of the hot wire air mass meter the preference changed among these engine builders. Like you say My 2 cents worth Thomas datsunmike wrote: > Dan, > > Or you could get the SUs modified to flow more air as shown in the Bob Sharp > Comp manual. I do believe Rebello offers this service. Ithink a modified SU > will flow as much air as a street/strip engine will need and will be a lot > cheaper too. Solexs look great but . . . most modified street cars just need > SUs. > > In Grassroots they tested a Z with Webers then ripped them out and put on > SUs and the car generally ran better w/only a slight sacrifice of top end > power. > > The key to power ain't the carbs, it's in the head to let the engine breath > better as was related to me by a well respected Cosworth/foreign race engine > builder. Too bad he's so damn expensive though. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Daniel Neuman > To: > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 5:02 PM > Subject: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... > > > Hello All, > > Just because we have not had a good Solex vs. SU thread for a while > > I thought I would pose this question. > > Okay besides the cool induction noise of the solex I see the main > > differences between the two being.. > > Solex's are fixed choke/venturi designs with one carb per cylinder. > > These are 'better' than SU's because at higher rpm's they don't > > choke off the engine. No balence tubes between cylinders bad midrange and > > off idle performance because of fixed venturi creates less than adequate > > vacuum. > > Su's are 'better' because they have a variable venturi which self- > > regulates its size so you always have a good vacuum. You get lots better > > off idle perfomance and midrange. They are 'bad' because their maximum > > venturi size does not allow enough air/fuel mixture at higher rpm's and it > > chokes of the engine. The balance tubes also help smooth out the intake > > pulses and you get a smoother running engine. > > Now heres my question: > > Has anybody ever tried fitted bigger su's to a 2000 engine?? What > > about fitting 4 SU's to the engine and having one carb per cylinder?? > Would > > either of these ideas fix the high rpm flow problem?? Could you have a car > > that had good off idle performance good midrange and good top end?? > > > > Just Wondering. > > Daniel 69 2000 > > SF CA > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 07:20:40 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:16:40 -0500 Subject: Re: PING PING Craig, This is part of the paradox. Gasoline in a homogenous mixture, with no air turbulence, will burn at the rate of approximately 2 cm per second. If you think of a piston being 6 cm in diameter, and a spark plug to one side... this means gasoline needs 3 seconds to burn across that distance! No way, can't be. That 2 cm per second for a burning rate seems all wrong... but it is correct. Remember there is NO air turbulence at all, just a static burn. Actually there are chemical engineers and experiments to confirm this burn rate. Now enter turbulence and eddy currents. If you think of a 16 in rollers in a 4x4 pattern. Drop ink on the top roller, and start rotating it. Since all the rollers are turning at the same time, the ink will spread quickly to all 16. Darn wish I could put a drawing in here... maybe Van can make a sketch for us. . This is what happens in a combustion chamber, is the eddy currents (little circles) will cause the burning to spread much more rapidly. So for gasoline it really is the same blend of compounds for all three grades of fuel. The higher octane fuel gets a improved knock reducer, and usually additional detergent compounds. Burn rate is still the same as the regular fuels. Prof. Assanis was excellent, and quite tolerant of my questions. That myth of the burn rate being different is a hard one to kill. Of humor was we had a good 'discussion' about wankel engines, hybrid vehicles, and electric vehicles. His entire research and area of expertise is of internal combustion engines and doing model based systems. I also have an invite from him to come up to talk with his graduate students & see the lab in Ann Arbor, MI. Not sure when I will get up that way, but you can be sure I will show up! Cheers, Tom Walter > I've scratched my head on this a few times myself. Question...Gas CAN be > refined to a higher octane (anti knock) without additives. So, isn't > detonation (explosion) just a degree of the same process of rapid burn? So > wouldn't the higher octane 'resist' the increase in rate of burn (burn > slower) compared to a non-additive standard, as the ignition advances and > pressure goes up? > > Craig Carter > > In a message dated 9/22/00 7:53:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ra0618@email.sps.mot.com writes: > << I have to admit some old myth's die hard. I had for ages believed that > premium > fuel burned slower. Not so, all the grades burned the same. Premium just had > the additives to prevent knock, so you can run a higher spark advance (which > creates a higher pressure, hence better performance). Of course you need > higher compression to take advantage of the advanced spark to gain the higher > combustion pressure. >> From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 07:41:56 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:38:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... Bill, What I wanted to point out is that "CFM does NOT equal HP". This kept with just the amount of air flowing into the cylinder head. Increasing the port size will increase the CFM (cubic feet per minute) of air flow, but does not always translate into better performance. So sometimes it is better to REDUCE the size of the intake port, or modify it so the port is not a straight shot into the cylinder, but has a bit of a curve to it. This will help promote the swirling and turbulence in the cylinder. A friend had a simple home made flow bench arrangement. One thing I that was interesting was he used a plexiglas tube over the cylinder head to simulate the cylinder. In additional to playing with the porting he would use a water bottle to spray mist into the port, so he could see the swirl pattern. Also with a string feed into the port had a pretty good idea of the turbulence induced by the cylinder head. This was over ten years ago, and he was dead on with his "low bucks research". Air flow meter was a simple fan (simple DC motor type which produces a voltage when spinning - while non linear, it will allow you to make back to back comparisons). His "vacuum source" was a couple of shop vacuum cleaners. Heck, it was a low cost setup, but worked nicely. Yes, the whole system needs to be balanced and tuned to a whole. No point in having a radical camshaft profile with stock carbs and exhaust system. Cheers, Tom From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 08:45:18 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Thomas Walter Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:44:17 +0200 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... One of the reasons to use a flow bench is to get equal flow rates in all ports. To increase flow it's just to make holes larger but like you say, it may not make any more power. The flow bench you describe is what it's all about. Dont forget to flow the head with the valves installed and one of them open to camshaft lift spec's. Thomas Thomas Walter wrote: > Bill, > > What I wanted to point out is that "CFM does NOT equal HP". > This kept with just the amount of air flowing into the cylinder head. > Increasing the port size will increase the CFM (cubic feet per minute) > of air flow, but does not always translate into better performance. > > So sometimes it is better to REDUCE the size of the intake port, or > modify it so the port is not a straight shot into the cylinder, but has > a bit of a curve to it. This will help promote the swirling and turbulence > > in the cylinder. > > A friend had a simple home made flow bench arrangement. One thing > I that was interesting was he used a plexiglas tube over the cylinder head > > to simulate the cylinder. In additional to playing with the porting he > would > use a water bottle to spray mist into the port, so he could see the swirl > pattern. Also with a string feed into the port had a pretty good idea > of the turbulence induced by the cylinder head. This was over ten years > ago, and he was dead on with his "low bucks research". Air flow meter > was a simple fan (simple DC motor type which produces a voltage when > spinning - while non linear, it will allow you to make back to back > comparisons). His "vacuum source" was a couple of shop vacuum > cleaners. Heck, it was a low cost setup, but worked nicely. > > Yes, the whole system needs to be balanced and tuned to a whole. > No point in having a radical camshaft profile with stock carbs and > exhaust system. > > Cheers, > > Tom From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 09:14:23 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:13:52 EDT Subject: SU vs SOLEX... Mikuni Question Or more a carberator general question. I am in need of the levers that attack to the carberator throddle shaft. The Mukini dealers I have found on the net are only interested in helping out Harley owners. I am sure the parts are out there somewhere, I have made an attempt to fabricate these parts but without a machine shop I am unable to make the ball connections. the carbs are almost ready to reinstall, and would like to get that part done before winter. If anyone knows a dealer that sells these parts please let me know. Thanks Larry Maryland 2000 69. Mikuni... 44PPH From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 10:36:32 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: "road" Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:35:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... >Yes, the whole system needs to be balanced and tuned to a whole. >No point in having a radical camshaft profile with stock carbs and >exhaust system. Watching the end of this morning's practice at Indy, I remember one of the segment of the NASCAR Garage series in which they were talking to one of the engine builders about the fact that the heads that flow the most don't always make the most power. I remember a similar statement by John Liegenfelter in his book on modifying small block Chevies. Edelbrock now offers a "Total Performance Package" that includes heads, cam, intake & carb, and maybe headers, although I'm not certain. Takes a lot of the guesswork out of building. Computer modeling and CNC machining have made the results of upgrades more predictable and consistent, although a lot of folks still insist on (trying to/insisting they can) build a 200 HP (insert you own number) 2 liter motor for under $1000. Yeah, right! FWIW, Ron Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth ------------------ '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 10:45:31 2000 From: "The Belgian Roadster" To: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:49:06 +0200 Subject: front cover Hi List, Thanks for the info about the crankshaft bushings! I also need a new lower front cover-distribution chain cover. Is it still available? and where to buy? Regards, Chris From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 11:10:10 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Ronnie Day Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:06:42 +0200 Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... It cost me $5000 in parts 20 years ago. I think one known German Mercedes tuner once said "$100 for each HP in the motor" and I guess it's still so with normally aspirated engines. Thomas Ronnie Day wrote: > >Yes, the whole system needs to be balanced and tuned to a whole. > >No point in having a radical camshaft profile with stock carbs and > >exhaust system. > > Watching the end of this morning's practice at Indy, I remember one of > the segment of the NASCAR Garage series in which they were talking to one > of the engine builders about the fact that the heads that flow the most > don't always make the most power. I remember a similar statement by John > Liegenfelter in his book on modifying small block Chevies. > > Edelbrock now offers a "Total Performance Package" that includes heads, > cam, intake & carb, and maybe headers, although I'm not certain. Takes a > lot of the guesswork out of building. Computer modeling and CNC machining > have made the results of upgrades more predictable and consistent, > although a lot of folks still insist on (trying to/insisting they can) > build a 200 HP (insert you own number) 2 liter motor for under $1000. > Yeah, right! > > FWIW, > Ron > > Ronnie Day > ronday@home.com > ------------------ > Dallas/Ft. Worth > ------------------ > '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) > '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 11:43:23 2000 From: shifty To: roadsters Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:41:06 -0700 Subject: Re: PING PING So Tom, Is the higher-priced premium really needed? I always use it in my cars - a 1500, and a Miata with the timing advanced. And it "feels" better, but since San Francisco has the highest gas prices in the county, am I just padding Chevron's coffers? Leigh Brooks BADROC PS - it cost $22 to fill up the Miata the other day. There was a woman filling up a Range Rover - she was still pumping and the meter was over $60! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 12:15:21 2000 From: Ross To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:23:41 -0700 Subject: olympic glory-thompson wins bronze!! Chris Thompson has won bronze behind the two Australians!! Yahoo!!!! NBC win air the win tonight. CBC(canadian Broadcasting Corp) showed it last night. A very nervous Chris beamed as they put the medal around his neck!! Proud roadster dad Tom and mom Nancy no doubt jumping for joy!! -- Ross Mullen SPORTS IMPORTS - your Datsun Roadster Parts House Phone: (604) 538-5615 FAX: 535-3538 Web site: http://home.istar.ca/~datsun From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 13:56:16 2000 From: "Victor Laury" To: , Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:36:48 -0700 Subject: Re: 411 parts (now parts vendors) >Does anybody out there know where I might be able to locate some ball-joints for a '67 411 sedan? - Lucian Tielens '67 RL411 SSS, '67 PL411 1600 Lucians, Is this the RL? It was my understanding that the RL411 uses all SRL SPL suspension. If this is true the roadster vendors will have the parts. Even if it is not true, call the vendors anyway. Ross Mullen, Les Cannady, Mike Kerr or Dann Bramhall may have these parts. Also talk to Tana Bryant. She has quite a few early Datsun Parts and specializes in the PL-RL411 (her favorites) as well as the L-320 pickup. I'm attaching below a list of the Datsun Vendors I know of. Everyone Please note! Now, I know I sent this before, BUT, This is an updated list with 4 new vendors and some spelling errors corrected. REWARD for any information on any parts Vendor NOT Listed here. ------- Classic Datsun Motorsports http://www.classicdatsun.com/ 345 Olive Ave Vista, CA 92083-4915 (760) 940-6365 Les Cannaday or Dennis Currington. World famous all Datsun resorations and supplies ------ Fairlady Products in Northridge (L.A. Area) CA http://www.datsunparts.com/ 818-363-2015 Dean Apostle has many, many NOS parts and reproduction pieces that he has developed, some of his reproduction parts are the most sought after pieces and have more value than original. ------- Mike Kerr at Roadster Restorations http://www.innercite.com/~wolfgang/ 3730 Todrob Lane, Placerville, CA 95667 (530)-644-6777 (530)-644-67572 Fax mikekerr@innercite.com Mike has five acres of Datsuns, loads of parts, lots of Datsuns and good prices. --------- Ross Mullen at Sports Imports http://home.istar.ca/~datsun/ Email datsun@istar.ca Fax (604) 535-3538 Phone (604) 538-5615 Mail PO Box 1794, Blaine, WA 98231-1794 Ross has supported the roadster community for years! His site has great tech info! -------- Dann Bramhall at Rallye Enterprises http://www.datsunroadster.com/ voice....360 893 4200 mail...PO Box 367 Graham, WA 98338 fax.......360 893 2000 e-mail rallye@datsunroadster.com PHONE HOURS: - -TUES-WED-THUR 9-5 ...FRIDAY 9-1 Dann was the ONLY source for parts in the late 70's. Nissan lost interest in stocking parts and DUMPPED Them! Dann bought most of them up. If no one else has the part your looking for, Dann has it! ------------ Mike Young at Datsun Sports http://hometown.aol.com/DatsunMPY/ 415-337-8144 San Francisco, CA 707-928-4029 Lake County, CA 415-406-8744 Pager Mike runs a great restoration shop and stocks a wide selection of parts ----------------- Rods Discount Datsun Parts http://www.rodsdatsun.qpg.com/ 675 Meadow Creek Drive San Jose, CA 95136 Phone: (408)448-3277 Pager: (408)288-0700 Fax: (408)723-0485 Rod's Discount Datsun Parts sells restoration parts for Datsuns. Roadster, 510, and Z parts are available, and we specialize in hard-to-find parts. All of our parts are of the highest quality. If a part's not the best, we simply don't sell it! We're always available to handle questions or problems ----------- Beaver Creek Datsun Restorations http://www.piner.com/datsun/ Doug Piner 615 Beaver Creek Road Apex, NC 27502 phone is 919-362-4131 Doug parts out roadsters and z-cars and has a varying stock of parts. --------- Stan Chernoff (no web site but a great vendor) az589@lafn.org 1215 Greenwood Av. Torrance, (West L.A.) CA (310) 328-7867 (310) 320-4554 Stan sell many interior details and is famous for his brake brace (Firewall reinforcement for a stiff brake pedal) ----------- Jim Tyler at Topless Datsun (Also no website but also never to be forgotten) tyler29@idt.net . Jim Tyler Topless Datsun 562 Lakeland Plaza Cumming, GA 30130 770-887-1406 Phone/Voice Mail 770-888-5947 24 hour fax Jim has great deals always compare with Jim's pricing. ----------- Mike Adams mikeadam@wcnet.net Mike has many roadster parts and great prices ------------ Tana Bryant vindats@gte.net Tana D. Bryan, 16521 10th ave. N.E. Shoreline, Wa. 98155, phone: (206)363-6707. Tana Specializes in early Datsun Parts, especially the PL-RL 411 line. ------------- Hidden Valley Auto Parts http://members.aol.com/hvap/hvap.htm 21046 N. Rio Bravo Road Maricopa, AZ 85239 (602)252-2122 "80 ACRES OF GOOD USED ARIZONA RUST FREE ANTIQUE AND CLASSIC AUTO PARTS" A wrecking yard with old datsuns and a counterman that knows his stuff (his name is Butch). They will ship anywhere. This is where I got my 411 trans for my 320 truck. ----------- Nissan Motorsports catalogue PO Box 191 Gardena CA 90248-0191 Ph (310) 538-2610 Fax (310) 538-1462 Mostly racing parts ---------- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 15:16:45 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: , "Roadster list" , Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:20:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: electrical system questions Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote > >Moral of the story: 1) put a fuse on any accessory wiring, and 2) discard >the stock sockets and replace only with new 12v accessory sockets (safer). > >Fred >BADROC That's a really useful tip, Fred, Thanks. Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 17:25:43 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: vlaury@earthlink.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:24:56 EDT Subject: Re: 411 parts (now parts vendors) Victor, You forgot Don Morrell - Rising Sun Racing - datsundon@aol.com He has a good amount of Roadster stuff and perhaps some other stuff as well! Sid P.S. What is my reward? ;-> >From: "Victor Laury" >Reply-To: "Victor Laury" >To: , "Early Datsun Mailing List" > >Subject: Re: 411 parts (now parts vendors) >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:36:48 -0700 > > >Does anybody out there know where I might be able to locate some >ball-joints for a '67 411 sedan? - Lucian Tielens '67 RL411 SSS, '67 PL411 >1600 > >Lucians, > >Is this the RL? It was my understanding that the RL411 uses all SRL SPL >suspension. If this is true the roadster vendors will have the parts. Even >if it is not true, call the vendors anyway. Ross Mullen, Les Cannady, Mike >Kerr or Dann Bramhall may have these parts. Also talk to Tana Bryant. She >has quite a few early Datsun Parts and specializes in the PL-RL411 (her >favorites) as well as the L-320 pickup. I'm attaching below a list of the >Datsun Vendors I know of. > >Everyone Please note! > >Now, I know I sent this before, BUT, This is an updated list with 4 new >vendors and some spelling errors corrected. REWARD for any information on >any parts Vendor NOT Listed here. > >------- >Classic Datsun Motorsports >http://www.classicdatsun.com/ >345 Olive Ave Vista, CA 92083-4915 (760) 940-6365 >Les Cannaday or Dennis Currington. >World famous all Datsun resorations and supplies >------ >Fairlady Products in Northridge (L.A. Area) CA >http://www.datsunparts.com/ >818-363-2015 >Dean Apostle has many, many NOS parts and reproduction pieces that he has >developed, some of his reproduction parts are the most sought after pieces >and have more value than original. >------- >Mike Kerr at Roadster Restorations >http://www.innercite.com/~wolfgang/ >3730 Todrob Lane, Placerville, CA 95667 (530)-644-6777 (530)-644-67572 Fax >mikekerr@innercite.com >Mike has five acres of Datsuns, loads of parts, lots of Datsuns and good >prices. >--------- >Ross Mullen at Sports Imports >http://home.istar.ca/~datsun/ >Email datsun@istar.ca Fax (604) 535-3538 Phone (604) 538-5615 >Mail PO Box 1794, Blaine, WA 98231-1794 Ross has supported the roadster >community for years! His site has great tech info! >-------- >Dann Bramhall at Rallye Enterprises >http://www.datsunroadster.com/ >voice....360 893 4200 mail...PO Box 367 Graham, WA 98338 fax.......360 893 >2000 e-mail rallye@datsunroadster.com >PHONE HOURS: - -TUES-WED-THUR 9-5 ...FRIDAY 9-1 >Dann was the ONLY source for parts in the late 70's. Nissan lost interest >in >stocking parts and DUMPPED Them! Dann bought most of them up. If no one >else >has the part your looking for, Dann has it! >------------ >Mike Young at Datsun Sports >http://hometown.aol.com/DatsunMPY/ >415-337-8144 San Francisco, CA >707-928-4029 Lake County, CA >415-406-8744 Pager >Mike runs a great restoration shop and stocks a wide selection of parts >----------------- >Rods Discount Datsun Parts >http://www.rodsdatsun.qpg.com/ >675 Meadow Creek Drive >San Jose, CA 95136 >Phone: (408)448-3277 >Pager: (408)288-0700 >Fax: (408)723-0485 >Rod's Discount Datsun Parts sells restoration parts for Datsuns. Roadster, >510, and Z parts are available, and we specialize in hard-to-find parts. >All >of our parts are of the highest quality. If a part's not the best, we >simply >don't sell it! We're always available to handle questions or problems >----------- >Beaver Creek Datsun Restorations >http://www.piner.com/datsun/ >Doug Piner >615 Beaver Creek Road >Apex, NC 27502 >phone is 919-362-4131 >Doug parts out roadsters and z-cars and has a varying stock of parts. >--------- >Stan Chernoff (no web site but a great vendor) az589@lafn.org >1215 Greenwood Av. Torrance, (West L.A.) CA >(310) 328-7867 (310) 320-4554 >Stan sell many interior details and is famous for his brake brace (Firewall >reinforcement for a stiff brake pedal) >----------- >Jim Tyler at Topless Datsun (Also no website but also never to be >forgotten) >tyler29@idt.net . >Jim Tyler >Topless Datsun >562 Lakeland Plaza >Cumming, GA 30130 >770-887-1406 Phone/Voice Mail >770-888-5947 24 hour fax >Jim has great deals always compare with Jim's pricing. >----------- >Mike Adams >mikeadam@wcnet.net >Mike has many roadster parts and great prices >------------ >Tana Bryant >vindats@gte.net >Tana D. Bryan, >16521 10th ave. N.E. >Shoreline, Wa. 98155, >phone: (206)363-6707. >Tana Specializes in early Datsun Parts, especially the PL-RL 411 line. >------------- >Hidden Valley Auto Parts >http://members.aol.com/hvap/hvap.htm >21046 N. Rio Bravo Road >Maricopa, AZ 85239 >(602)252-2122 >"80 ACRES OF GOOD USED ARIZONA RUST FREE ANTIQUE AND CLASSIC AUTO PARTS" >A wrecking yard with old datsuns and a counterman that knows his stuff (his >name is Butch). They will ship anywhere. This is where I got my 411 trans >for my 320 truck. >----------- >Nissan Motorsports catalogue >PO Box 191 Gardena CA 90248-0191 Ph (310) 538-2610 Fax (310) 538-1462 >Mostly racing parts >---------- > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 17:55:47 2000 From: Mor39@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:55:17 EDT Subject: Roadster:For Sale 1969 1600 silver Datsun Roadster For Sale! It's in excellent shape, but not mint. asking 3,500, but I would take 3,000. I need the money and I don't have the time for the car anymore. I owned is baby for 8 years or more, and it's been a good car for the summers. The car is form Denver, but I'm in Iowa now. I would be happy to delivery the car this spring, within a 1500 mile radius. I can send photos, if interested. Thank You. Tim From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 19:02:31 2000 From: HIGHKIX4@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@onelist.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:01:31 EDT Subject: Street Legal, and saw another one!! For all: This is soo cool. Friday I drove the roadster to work for the first time. Speedo dosnt work, and I didnt think I was going so fast, but was at work about 7 minutes early, and had an incredable adrenaline rush going for the first few hours. Was able to leave early and this is the amazing part, saw another roadster!!....We both wheeled around and pulled off to the side of the road...she turned out to be quite a babe (please dont tell wife) and a first class motorhead...we talked for about 1/2 hour. I will hook her up with the list address. She also knows several other non-list owners..we are planning a little roadster ralley here in south east Virginia! I will not even get into the cool part about the large amount of kids running into the street to yell about how cool my car is! Best Regards, Jim Chesapeake Va 67 pushrod 2L 72 510 Wagon From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 19:12:45 2000 From: HIGHKIX4@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@onelist.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:12:17 EDT Subject: Finally on Road For All: Finally drove the roadster to work, and what a rush. I noticed I was passing most people, and was getting about 3.5K to 4K on the tach (speedo is broke). Engine seems to not be going that fast, and ther was an awful lot left..I think I was going about 70 or 75. Does anyone know if these mechanical tachs can become innaccurate? When I got to work I parked next to another guy who has a Honda S-2000. The roadster windshield is about 3 inches lower, and the whole car is much lower (ANMHI much cooler) Lets see, My 3 thousand dollars into my car, VS her 30 thousand into hers.......no choice in my opinion.... Best Regards, Jim Chesapeake Va 67 Pushrod 2L 72 510 Wagon From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 19:18:03 2000 From: David Palmer To: roadsters datsun Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: 68 srl311 for quick sale i really need to sell this car soon...snow is coming reduced price!!! Totally restored 1968 datsun 2000 for sale: 40,000 original miles, rust free Canadian car. Total body off restoration 5 years ago. 500 miles since resto. All parts new or rebuilt. Car has been in heated storage. Over $13,000 invested. U20 150hp SRL 311. New: windshield, suspension, brakes, weather stipping, window filts, window squeegees etc, etc, will include in purchase tons of parts including: cloth top custom made with zip out rear window (still brand new in box not mounted yet, made of jaguar cloth material), limited slip rear end, other gear sets as well, a like new dash (one in the car is perfect though), rare roadster literature, and tons (boses upon boxes of other misc parts) original side chrome is included (it is in storage in my home). Electrical is all new, original radio and spares, etc. Please dont write back to this e-mail, I don't get to it very often. Plse phone David Palmer at 403-251-1079 and leave message. Many pictures of the car can be seen at: www.bishop.ab.ca/datsun Price $11,500 cdn this car is beautiful!! i may not get back to you right away as i do shift work. ---------- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 19:46:14 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: HIGHKIX4@aol.com, datsunroadsters@onelist.com, Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:45:37 EDT Subject: Re: Finally on Road In a message dated 9/23/00 6:14:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, HIGHKIX4@aol.com writes: << When I got to work I parked next to another guy who has a Honda S-2000. The roadster windshield is about 3 inches lower, and the whole car is much lower (ANMHI much cooler) Lets see, My 3 thousand dollars into my car, VS her 30 thousand into hers.......no choice in my opinion.... >> YEah... at my last Auto-X they S2000 were the car to have on the course. I was easily 2 secs behind on every run. We both progressed the same. But on the road I get a "thumb" or "wave" or "nice car" comment on every drive. I even made a bet with my firend that I would get two comments before we got downtown. Sure enough, I got three. Coffee was on him. ;>) He then had to but himself a BMW Z3. Unfortunately he doesnt get the same attention. Michael "Calspeed" Carion http://members.aol.com/calspeed1/motorsports.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 19:52:34 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, stickerman@home.com, Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:49:35 EDT Subject: My Web page is up Evy worked diligantly on this web page, If you see something wrong on it her e-mail address is Eag4140@aol.com, I think she did pretty good. We will be adding to it in the future as we get more pics, and I also want to add some grape and wine links. I have a small orchard and vineyard going, so as I don't get into much trouble with the Datsun!!! No X-rated Datsun stories. But perharps a Roadster beer or wine ine the future. Thanks for stopping by. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 20:08:58 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, larcaleek@email.msn.com, AXLPOP@aol.com, Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:08:16 EDT Subject: Fwd: My Web page is up --part1_ba.b440152.26febc10_boundary In a message dated 9/23/00 9:49:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dat2000srl writes: << Evy worked diligantly on this web page, If you see something wrong on it her e-mail address is Eag4140@aol.com, I think she did pretty good. We will be adding to it in the future as we get more pics, and I also want to add some grape and wine links. I have a small orchard and vineyard going, so as I don't get into much trouble with the Datsun!!! No X-rated Datsun stories. But perharps a Roadster beer or wine ine the future. Thanks for stopping by. >> Larry and Evy's Roadster Day --part1_ba.b440152.26febc10_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Dat2000srl@aol.com Full-name: Dat2000srl Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:49:35 EDT Subject: My Web page is up To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, stickerman@home.com, kcoughlin01@email.msn.com, Lawrence.H.Coughlin@bge.com, Eag4140@aol.com, AXLPOP@aol.com, CarolCough@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Evy worked diligantly on this web page, If you see something wrong on it her e-mail address is Eag4140@aol.com, I think she did pretty good. We will be adding to it in the future as we get more pics, and I also want to add some grape and wine links. I have a small orchard and vineyard going, so as I don't get into much trouble with the Datsun!!! No X-rated Datsun stories. But perharps a Roadster beer or wine ine the future. Thanks for stopping by. --part1_ba.b440152.26febc10_boundary-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 20:33:12 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Dat2000srl@aol.com, datsun roadsters Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: My Web page is up Great, love to see it. What is the URL? Roman __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 21:34:56 2000 From: Ken Pearce To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:48:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sparkplug wire question... There was a recent thread on measuring the resistance of sparkplug wires. I was bored this afternoon and knew I had an old cheap set of plug wires on the car, so I thought I'd put them on the ol' digital multimeter and see what they said. All of them read between 120-132kOhms! Yikes! So I got a plug wire kit from the parts store and measured one of them, 0! 0? Am I dealing with two different types of wires? If I use the kit, do I need resistance plugs? What's the diff between resistance plugs and non-resistance plugs? (besides the obvious, does it matter which ones I use? are both readily available?) Could somebody clue me in... thanks! Ken Pearce, 68-2000 Vancouver, BC (not afraid to ask dumb questions!) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 23 22:13:24 2000 From: Gordon Glasgow To: Roadster List Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:18:50 -0700 Subject: Gotta take a break Well, I've really managed to overbook myself this time. I'm signed up for 6 off-hours classes between now and the end of the year. Between that, homework, commute time and all the other stuff that I have to do (health-related and home-related), I'm simply not getting everything done. So I'm going to drop off the list for a while until I get through this. I hope to resubscribe to the list around the end of the year as a Christmas present to myself. I'll still be checking my email, so if anyone needs to get in touch with me, feel free to drop me a note. And if anyone is headed for the Seattle area, please let me know; I'd love to get together with you if at all possible. I really hate to do this. This list is great and I've made a goodly number of new friends through it, but I'm just not getting everything done that needs to get done. So I'll see you all in a while. Bye for now. -- Gordon Glasgow http://www.gordon-glasgow.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 00:07:46 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Gordon Glasgow , Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Gotta take a break Gordon, I know what you mean about being overbooked. Take care of what you must, and hurry back. we'll miss you Roman __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 01:32:59 2000 From: Gary McCormick To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:30:51 -0700 Subject: Roadster sighting (static) San Jose, Ca I saw a Roadster today I hadn't seen before, in San Jose, CA. I just caught a quick glimpse, so I couldn't say if it was an SRL or SPL - but it was a high windshield car. Oakland Raiders color scheme ; ^ ) (silver front fenders and hood, remainder of the car was black - probable accident repair). Car was parked in the driveway of a house on Blossom Hill Road, near Meridian Avenue. Anyone on the list? Gary McCormick San Jose, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 04:13:45 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: web page and roadster coming home hi folks, This is a little off topic, but I wanted to share my 1st attempt at a web page......I'm learning. The page is for my guitar shop, but has some roadster content. there is a roadster in the background. Now, how many non roadster business's have a roadster on their web site ?!? None I know of. the only links that are up are the e-mail, as I said , I'm still learning. Any one that has any advice I'm open to it. I still need to set it up so that when you click on a topic (ex. custom guitars) it opens a new page. the link is: http://www.geocities.com/ristguitars/index.html BTW the 66 is running great and the 70 should be ready for Doheney and the Big roadster status change is: THE 67.5 will be home from the body shop after 5 years! OK, bye! Roman Rist __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 05:39:22 2000 From: HIGHKIX4@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@onelist.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 07:38:45 EDT Subject: 3 Row Radiator for the 510 Sorry, no roadster content, but what the heck! The radiator on the (mostly) trusty 510 blew 2 weeks ago, got home by takeing off the cap, and pouring water in every 10 miles or so.... Finally found a guy who could get a new one but it was close to 300$ Yikes! Recored was 189$, and recored with 3 rows of tubes was 218$, so the choice was clear. Looks like I now have the cooling power to support a L18 or L20 motor! hmmm. Best Regards, Jim Chesapeake 67 pushrod 2L 5spd 72 510 wagon From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 08:37:54 2000 From: Mark Dent To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:33:35 -0400 Subject: 67 1600 with U20 for sale All, I went and looked at the 67 2000 for sale in DE. It is a 1600 with a U20 in it. The guy really did not know. He has owned it since 1989 and it has been in his garage since then. Some bondo, some rust bubbles. He has a new 1600 grill, new tail lights, new front bumper, new soft top and new windshield rubber all in the boxes. Interior is out of the car, but there. Windshield is out, but there. I have some photos if you need them. He wants at least $1500. Seems cheap for a straight project car. I don't need another one! Mark Baltimore 1968 1600 http://www.datsunroadsters.com http://www.roadster.org From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 09:01:43 2000 From: "Ben Zech" To: datsun@istar.ca, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:00:06 GMT Subject: Re: olympic glory-thompson wins bronze!! Congrats to Chris and family... >From: Ross >Reply-To: Ross >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: olympic glory-thompson wins bronze!! >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:23:41 -0700 > >Chris Thompson has won bronze behind the two Australians!! Yahoo!!!! NBC >win air the win tonight. CBC(canadian Broadcasting Corp) showed it last >night. A very nervous Chris beamed as they put the medal around his >neck!! Proud roadster dad Tom and mom Nancy no doubt jumping for joy!! >-- >Ross Mullen >SPORTS IMPORTS - your Datsun Roadster Parts House >Phone: (604) 538-5615 >FAX: 535-3538 >Web site: http://home.istar.ca/~datsun _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 09:01:52 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:00:14 PDT Subject: Roadster/Birthday Score Hey All! I spent most of my birthday on a plane from Newark, NJ where I had been on a business trip. Got to go to New York City for the first time. (SOHO mostly which was really fun) People in New York like their pasta Al Dente, smoke like chimneys, and play dance music in all of their restaurants. Anyhow, my girlfriend Liz picks me up at the airport in Her 70 2000. I was glad to see her and wrapped up in newspaper was obviously something I had wanted for a long time. My 67 2000 has a 68 bumper on it. The one with the indentation for the license plate light. It's an OK bumper but not correct. I had always planned to get a correct one, but they are not that easy to find. I had always assumed that I would pick up the best one I could find and have it staightened and chromed when the car goes in next year. I had dropped outrageously unsubtle hints to Liz that I wanted one for my birthday and thought she might get me a good used one. Instead, I took the paper off and found a TOTALLY clean and newly chromed rear bumper! I thought of the olympic games where soccer announcers scream that long "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"! So I had a great birthday and a wonderful girlfriend who knows what roadster guys like. BTW, the bumper was carefully repackaged and will wait until the car gets redone to make its public debut. On another note, our club T-shirts are almost done. I have taken some orders and will make them available for general purchase from the website soon. They look great. See you at Doheny! Andrew Murphy 67 2000 Solex SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 10:54:22 2000 From: "Henry Bahn" To: "Victor Laury" , , Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:31:30 -0400 Subject: Re: 411 parts 411 Ball Joints: 40110-16500 Upper 40160-16500 Lower right 40161-16500 Lower left I don't know if these are the same as the roadster. JH Bahn From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 11:22:33 2000 From: T and E Corcoran To: Ken Pearce Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:18:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Sparkplug wire question... Ken, I'll take a stab at this with my 2 cents worth.... It is all about trade offs. -resistance will let your points last longer. good thing -resistance will reduce the spark plug energy. after a point, not such a good thing -resistance and reduced plug voltage may make starting a bit harder. bad thing, hence the switch out out the coil ballast resistor during engine cranking on later cars. -resistance will broaden the range of frequencies in which the ignition circuit will develop a resonant rise in secondary voltage. perhaps a good thing for wider rpm ranges. -resistance in plugs or wires is supposed to aid in reducing noise picked up by radios. good thing I don't know if 1600's and 2000's had resistive wires or plugs stock from the factory but I don't think it would be good to use both resistive plugs and wires. regards, Tim C 2 point burning 1500 Fairlady's From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 11:36:12 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: "Hall, Phillip" Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:38:24 -0700 Subject: Re: springs ......... "Hall, Phillip" wrote: > Hey all - > > My Comp. front springs are back-ordered from Sports Imports via Nissan > Motorsports. I called CDM looking for some - same story - Nissan is out. > CDM is trying to get more made and will keep us posted. Also, CDM said > Nissan is slowing/stopping production of a lot of our parts. They recommend > if you are planning a restoration in the future to buy parts NOW - you my > not get them next year. Get the check book/VISA out and call your favorite > vendor! On that note - does anyone have some comp front springs for sale - > new/used? > I totally agree with CDM on parts availability from Nissan. I think other Vendors are feeling the same way. In the past two weeks I have sold at lest four different items to Rallye and I know he has bought many other items from others on Ebay. He also purchases items under a different name. One of the list members sold a set of Comp. front springs for less then Nissan list on Ebay just a week ago. If you need a part and it is a Nissan part you might want to get it now. Nissan is moving on with their new products. we have been extremely lucky to be able to buy thirty plus year old parts from the dealer. Not many Companies offer parts for anywhere close to this long. I have been selling alot of Roadster items on Ebay in the past year. I need the money to finish the Z and buy another roadster :-). Check with your vendors or dealers when in need of parts and try and get them soon.. Mike Nowroc Selling alot of items on Ebay. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 12:23:28 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:22:47 EDT Subject: Roadster sighting on Maui Well, it just about ruined my trip. The 1st morning in Maui we saw a red 2000 roadster.The reason it ruined my trip was every time I saw a small red car my head wipped around to see if it was the roadster. Never saw it again but the vacation was great. Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 12:41:09 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:37:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Sparkplug wire question... Ken, There are basically three types of ignition wires: Solid Core - typically for racing only on carb'd racers.. Suppression Core - Carbon Impregnated Rayon Cord. Suppression Core - Spiral wound. Spark Plugs - either standard or resistive core. The function of the resistance is to reduce the RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) generated by the high voltage of the ignition system. This interference can disrupt any radio reception, or even cause problems with modern Engine Control Units. The problem with the carbon impregnated suppression wires is that with age the resistance increases, decreasing the voltage to the spark plugs. Eventually one of more of the plugs will not fire at all (you need spark the most under heavy loading and starting conditions, so this is when you first notice the wires are starting to go bad). The wire wound suppression wires have the best of both worlds Solid wire wound in a spiral pattern for high inductance. You still deliver full voltage to the spark plugs, but with good suppression of RFI. I remember NGK sold these wires, noticeable as they were a translucent blue so you could actually see the spiral wrap of the wire. Accel sold the "high performance" carbon impregnated wires in large diameter for longer life and better performance. I still have a set on my '68 2000. I usually would buy a "universal V8" set of spark plug wires... same price as the four cylinder set, yet I could get two sets of plug wires out of that box, as long as I reused a coil wire end caps! Typically the resistive spark plugs came in to use with a "solid" wire, yet still be able to listen to a radio. Perhaps resistive plugs first appeared in the later half on the 1970's? Quick check: Solid core wires.... 0 ohms (I no longer use them) NGK Blue wires... 0 ohms Accel Yellow Jacket Silicon Suppression wire: 3K per foot* OEM wires, about 4K Ohms per foot. OEM Toyota wires, about 4K Ohms per foot. *wires are over 10 years old. So back to answer your question... if you roadster wires are around 120K each... toss into the trash AFTER you get a new set of wires. I seem to recall NGK did not have anything for roadsters, but I was able to use a set for a "A15 fitted Datsun 210" model from the mid 1980's. Coil wire was a little long, but rest of the wires worked fine (distributor is in about the same location). Little long winded on the reply, but just in case.... Cheers, Tom Walter '68 2000 Austin, TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 14:14:37 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:13:13 +0200 Subject: Bad day at the US GP A Finn cant win with his ass on fire. Norbert, why did this happen? Thomas From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 14:37:59 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Thomas Walter" Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:33:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Sparkplug wire question... Tom We expect you to be long winded to give a thorough explanation to a vexing problem which we can understand - most of the time!!!!!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Walter To: road Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Sparkplug wire question... > Ken, > > There are basically three types of ignition wires: > > Solid Core - typically for racing only on carb'd racers.. > Suppression Core - Carbon Impregnated Rayon Cord. > Suppression Core - Spiral wound. > > Spark Plugs - either standard or resistive core. > > The function of the resistance is to reduce the RFI (Radio > Frequency Interference) generated by the high voltage of > the ignition system. This interference can disrupt any radio > reception, or even cause problems with modern Engine > Control Units. > > The problem with the carbon impregnated suppression wires > is that with age the resistance increases, decreasing the voltage > to the spark plugs. Eventually one of more of the plugs will not > fire at all (you need spark the most under heavy loading and > starting conditions, so this is when you first notice the wires are > starting to go bad). > > The wire wound suppression wires have the best of both worlds > Solid wire wound in a spiral pattern for high inductance. You still > deliver full voltage to the spark plugs, but with good suppression > of RFI. I remember NGK sold these wires, noticeable as they > were a translucent blue so you could actually see the spiral wrap > of the wire. > > Accel sold the "high performance" carbon impregnated wires in > large diameter for longer life and better performance. I still have > a set on my '68 2000. I usually would buy a "universal V8" set > of spark plug wires... same price as the four cylinder set, yet > I could get two sets of plug wires out of that box, as long as > I reused a coil wire end caps! > > Typically the resistive spark plugs came in to use with a "solid" > wire, yet still be able to listen to a radio. Perhaps resistive plugs > first appeared in the later half on the 1970's? > > Quick check: > > Solid core wires.... 0 ohms (I no longer use them) > NGK Blue wires... 0 ohms > Accel Yellow Jacket Silicon Suppression wire: 3K per foot* > OEM wires, about 4K Ohms per foot. > OEM Toyota wires, about 4K Ohms per foot. > > *wires are over 10 years old. > > So back to answer your question... if you roadster wires are > around 120K each... toss into the trash AFTER you get a new > set of wires. I seem to recall NGK did not have anything for > roadsters, but I was able to use a set for a "A15 fitted Datsun 210" > model from the mid 1980's. Coil wire was a little long, but rest > of the wires worked fine (distributor is in about the same location). > > Little long winded on the reply, but just in case.... > > Cheers, > > Tom Walter '68 2000 > Austin, TX > > > > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 14:39:06 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Ben Zech" , , Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:34:40 -0400 Subject: Re: olympic glory-thompson wins bronze!! Amen to that!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Zech To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 11:00 AM Subject: Re: olympic glory-thompson wins bronze!! > Congrats to Chris and family... > > > >From: Ross > >Reply-To: Ross > >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >Subject: olympic glory-thompson wins bronze!! > >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:23:41 -0700 > > > >Chris Thompson has won bronze behind the two Australians!! Yahoo!!!! NBC > >win air the win tonight. CBC(canadian Broadcasting Corp) showed it last > >night. A very nervous Chris beamed as they put the medal around his > >neck!! Proud roadster dad Tom and mom Nancy no doubt jumping for joy!! > >-- > >Ross Mullen > >SPORTS IMPORTS - your Datsun Roadster Parts House > >Phone: (604) 538-5615 > >FAX: 535-3538 > >Web site: http://home.istar.ca/~datsun > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 15:46:25 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Chris Doutre Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:44:39 +0200 Subject: Re: Bad day at the US GP Unfortunately yes. They run those F1 engines with almost no oil pressure and the coolant way past normal boiling points. What can you do when you make over 800 hp/18000 rpm from 3000 cc. They are cutting corners everywhere. Thomas Chris Doutre wrote: > Did you ever notice that race cars always seem to go faster just before > they blow up? > > Thomas the Swede wrote: > > > > A Finn cant win with his ass on fire. Norbert, why did this happen? > > > > Thomas From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 15:46:54 2000 From: KWS711@aol.com To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, motormite@hotmail.com, datsun@istar.ca, Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:46:10 EDT Subject: Re: olympic glory-thompson wins bronze!! Very nice write up in today's Oregonian. New American record, a personal best by almost 8 seconds in the 1500 meter freestyle. Congrates to the Thompsons!! Ever since I put my Pertronics in, the car runs like crap. Put the points back in today and it runs fine. Question: The instructions say at the beginning not to remove the green tape. Is this for protection during installation? Should the tape be removed before running? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sunny and around 75 in Portland. Time for a cruise. Kim 68 2000 CSP NOWROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 15:55:02 2000 From: Robert Porter To: Roadster List Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:56:10 -0400 Subject: Mystery tool kit Roadsterites: Some months ago I asked if anyone on the list could identify a mystery tool kit I found in the trunk of my 70 1600. It was a black cloth bag with "Nissan Motor Company" along the bottom. Inside was a cheap spark plug socket, and a nine foot length of what seemed to be seat belt webbing, looped at both ends, together with four steel hooks designed to slide over the webbing. I got several responses, all funny but none sensible. Last week, on the way back from the Glen, we stopped at an old car show in Wellsboro PA, where the two Roadsters were the only non-American cars. The owner of the other Roadster enlightened me right away. Without hesitating, Charlie Klump, a fine Datsun mechanic from way back, said, "It's a tow strap." Sure enough, those hooks slide right into some nooks and crannies in the front frame cross member. Don't know where they might fit onto the presumed tow car. So there. Those of you who want to show a truly complete, original trunk had better get with it, as this appears to be the genuine article. I'll start with open bidding, but may have to resort to eBay to get full value is this rare item. Now what does it say about the manufacturer's confidence in their product when their tool kit implies a complete breakdown? (Or could this have been purloined from another Nissan model, like maybe a Z?) On second thought, I did a lot of mechanical work on this bucket myself. Maybe I better keep it. Bob Porter Harrisburg PA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 16:56:48 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:56:00 EDT Subject: Web page URL Whoooops, here is the URL. http://datsunroadster.websitegalaxy.com/index.html Larry, Maryland 69 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 17:03:11 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:58:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Finally on Road Jim, Congratulations on the delivery of your new baby! Enjoy the ride. BTW, comparing a Roadster with a S2000 is like comparing apples with oranges. The only thing in common is that both are convertibles and are sports cars. 30+ years of development have produced a remarkable sports car which will blow the doors off any roadster out there. I finally drove one last weekend and was duly impressed. Mike Unger I am sure will agree. My Miata will also blow the doors off most Roadsters and it's the early 1.6L one. After buying the Miata it became apparent how much sports cars have improved over the course of the years. Dean, who was my passenger, noted that it felt like a 2L when I finally put my foot down on the go pedal. That is not to say the roadster isn't fun, it's different! 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 9:12 PM Subject: Finally on Road > For All: > Finally drove the roadster to work, and what a rush. > I noticed I was passing most people, and was getting > about 3.5K to 4K on the tach (speedo is broke). > Engine seems to not be going that fast, and ther > was an awful lot left..I think I was going about > 70 or 75. Does anyone know if these > mechanical tachs can become innaccurate? > When I got to work I parked next to another > guy who has a Honda S-2000. The roadster > windshield is about 3 inches lower, and the > whole car is much lower (ANMHI much cooler) > Lets see, My 3 thousand dollars into my car, > VS her 30 thousand into hers.......no > choice in my opinion.... > Best Regards, > Jim > Chesapeake Va > 67 Pushrod 2L > 72 510 Wagon From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 17:07:08 2000 From: "Ben Zech" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:06:45 GMT Subject: NO reverse (4 speed) Ok, here is the problem... started with the speedo not working So I remove the cable, cable is OK. Remove the plastic gear and shaft, worn out in one place. Replace the plastic gear and shaft, go to drive the car, no reverse gear..... 1,2,3,4 are smooth as silk....any ideas on what i did wrong, wont even go in reverse at all. Oh, BTW, speedo still does not work. Thanks in advance. BZ-RZ N.C. SPL/SRL "SEROC" motormite@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 17:15:13 2000 From: "Pam & Paul Bauman" To: "Roadster List" Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:11:34 -0700 Subject: windows Am installing the window and door hardware. Got to the point of putting in the large door windows. Cut a strip of innertube rubber for the gasket around the bottom of the window and was ready to install when I realized that the window channel would fit onto the rollers either way. I know there is a left and right side channel, I just do not know which is which. Does the part that has the threaded hole for a stop screw go to the rear of the door? That would put the longer track at the rear. Am I right on this? Don't want to pry the windows back out of the channel--already did that taking them apart! Paul Bauman Westminster, CA 67 1600 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=881168&a=6499541 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 17:58:52 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:58:14 EDT Subject: Re: My Web page is up Thats what I have gathered from being on the list. I have not wittnessed that kind of action here in the east. I gather there are so few cars here most owners don't want to risk losing what they have. The wine run was a lot of fun, and as you can see we had Dawns roadster in the tasting room of one of the wineries we visited. That was also the winery both Evy (my wife) and I broke our wine glasses. Thanks for the reply Roman. Next year our 69 2000 will be in the pictures too :) Larry Maryland From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sun Sep 24 18:51:49 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:51:25 GMT Subject: Re: Solex's vs. SU's ..again and again and again... And getting more specific (from a conversation I had with Lou Mondello here in Melbourne two days ago) - the 2000 already has BIG ports, you can get maybe 2 or 3 extra HP (at the wheels) playing with them, but by working the valves & valve seats, an extra 10-15 HP (again, at the wheels). And valve work will give better response right across the range... Ahhh... But not until my water pump is fixed. 8^) >The key to power ain't the carbs, it's in the head to let the engine breath >better as was related to me by a well respected Cosworth/foreign race >engine >builder. Too bad he's so damn expensive though. _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 01:39:21 2000 From: "Adam Fox" To: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:34:07 +1000 Subject: Re: 3 Row Radiator for the 510 It will support an FJ20turbo if you get that keen!! Adam Fox 65 1500 71 2LFJ20 Turbo 510 ---------- > From: HIGHKIX4@aol.com > To: datsunroadsters@onelist.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: 3 Row Radiator for the 510 > Date: Sunday, 24 September 2000 21:38 > > Sorry, no roadster content, but what the heck! > The radiator on the (mostly) trusty 510 blew 2 weeks > ago, got home by takeing off the cap, and pouring > water in every 10 miles or so.... > Finally found a guy who could get a new one but > it was close to 300$ Yikes! > Recored was 189$, and recored with 3 rows of tubes > was 218$, so the choice was clear. Looks like > I now have the cooling power to support a > L18 or L20 motor! hmmm. > Best Regards, > Jim > Chesapeake > 67 pushrod 2L 5spd > 72 510 wagon From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 06:44:50 2000 From: To: dneuman@stars.sfsu.edu, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:43:47 -0500 Subject: Good Fuel Lines? >>I am planning on replacing my underhood rubber fuel lines soon. >>I have heard it said on the list to 'buy good quality lines' What does >>that mean exactly?? What makes a good quality fuel line? Next where >>can I get one?? I just replaced all of my fuel lines. I ordered 25' of 3/8" and 25" of 1/4" hard line and used Spectre stainless sleeved braided lines to replace the rubber hose. I am really happy with it as it has the look of real stainless hose at a fraction of the cost. It appears to be a quality rubber hose at the core. The cost was reasonable, and the hose clamps look pretty cool too (red/blue AN imitations). For the purist or racer it is not appropriate, but I like it. I will probably do all of my hoses like this at some point. I ordered everything out of the Summit catalogue. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 08:31:13 2000 From: Alex Avery To: CarterCM@aol.com, ra0618@email.sps.mot.com Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:28:44 -0400 Subject: Re: PING PING My understanding is the reason that lower octane fuels are more prone to detonation is not due to faster burn, but due to a more precise light-off. That is, detonation is premature light-off, say from a "hot spot" in the combustion chamber, etc. as the fuel/air mixture heats from compression during the compression stroke. With lower octane, ie. less refined, fuels, there is a higher fraction of lower and higher molecular weight carbon compounds--such as pentane (5 carbons) and hexane (six carbons) and 11 and 12 carbon compounds. Not only do the lower weight compounds light-off at lower temperatures, but the more heterogenous the fuel mixture, the more unstable it will be. *(octane ratings are, as most know, just measures of the percentage of lower and higher carbon compounds in the gas mixture, with the eight carbon molecule "octane" being ideal for gasoline engines.) The reason higher octane, more refined fuels are more detonation-resistant is they have more heptane (7 carbons), octane, nonane (nine carbons), and less of the smaller and larger carbon molecules and are therefore more stable at higher temperatures--therefore, they only ignite when initiated by a spark and the whole process is much more predictable with the more uniform the fuel mixture. Alex Avery (a guy who still remembers his high school and college chemistry factoids). At 12:29 AM 9/23/00 -0400, CarterCM@aol.com wrote: >Tom, >I've scratched my head on this a few times myself. Question...Gas CAN be >refined to a higher octane (anti knock) without additives. So, isn't >detonation (explosion) just a degree of the same process of rapid burn? So >wouldn't the higher octane 'resist' the increase in rate of burn (burn >slower) compared to a non-additive standard, as the ignition advances and >pressure goes up? > >Craig Carter > >In a message dated 9/22/00 7:53:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >ra0618@email.sps.mot.com writes: ><< I have to admit some old myth's die hard. I had for ages believed that >premium >fuel burned slower. Not so, all the grades burned the same. Premium just had >the additives to prevent knock, so you can run a higher spark advance (which >creates a higher pressure, hence better performance). Of course you need >higher compression to take advantage of the advanced spark to gain the higher >combustion pressure. >> From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 08:40:29 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:39:36 EDT Subject: AZ Roadsters: Fwd: Z Drive* 9/30/00* South Mountain Trip! --part1_8.aa8f653.2700bda8_boundary AZ Folks: FWD from DZA Dunno if I'll be able to make it - kinda have a full schedule, but this looks like a fun one. Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ --part1_8.aa8f653.2700bda8_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:05:19 -0400 Received: from web1005.mail.yahoo.com (web1005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.95]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:04:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 2600 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2000 06:07:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000925060732.2599.qmail@web1005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.254.2] by web1005.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:07:31 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Christa Booth Subject: Z Drive* 9/30/00* South Mountain Trip! To: Christa MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Unknown Hello My Fellow Z, 510, & Roadster Lovers! Yes, it is that time of the month....Another FUN RUN! This time to South Mountain! With all those curvy roads, we are sure to have some fun!! When: Saturday, September 30th Time: 6pm SHARP! Where to meet: Central & Earl, at Park Central Mall just outside Jamba Juice. For those of you not familiar with downtown Phoenix, Earl is just one light North of Thomas. THE PLAN: Take off by 6:15pm to South Mountain Reserve located aprox. 1 mile south of Baseline on Central. We need to be there before 7pm, park entrance closes early. Even though we can be inside, they will not allow entrance after a certain time. We had 30 cars at the Pavillions on Saturday the 9th, lets see how many cars we can get this time!! Come on guys, I know you want to fly up and down those roads!! See you then... ENJOY THE RIDE!! Christa ZchickAZ Vice President, DZA ===== LATE AT NIGHT..... IN PARKING GARAGES EVERYWHERE... OTHER CARS CHANT.... "WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!" __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --part1_8.aa8f653.2700bda8_boundary-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 09:20:14 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: Alex Avery Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:18:53 -0500 Subject: Re: PING PING Alex, Good information, Thanks. The burn rate is the same, but the lower octane fuel is less resistant to pre ignition and denotation. Also the fuels will be blended differently for summer and winter formula's. The Octane numbers are actually generated by empirical methods. Research Octane Number (RON) & Motor Octane Number (MON). They are tested at different air intake temperature, and different operating conditions. So in the USA we have an average number posted (RON+MON)/2. With an lead additive you will not change the fuel itself, but will increase the Octane numbers. I used to be able to buy Toulene in a 5 gallon drum, industrial cleaning fluid. It is also a nice octane booster. Anyone know any Chemical - Petroluem Engineers? We need for him/her to buy a Roadster and join the list! . Of humor My mom laughs about her six kids, we all went into different fields. Nursing, Legal, Chemical, Industrial, CPA-accounting, Engineering. She loves it as when she has a question, she knows who to call! My brother who has his degree in Organic Chemistry soon realized most organic chemist had a life span of 45 years... and changed to electronics. ;-) Cheers, Tom Alex Avery wrote: > > My understanding is the reason that lower octane fuels are more prone to > detonation is not due to faster burn, but due to a more precise light-off. > That is, detonation is premature light-off, say from a "hot spot" in the > combustion chamber, etc. as the fuel/air mixture heats from compression > during the compression stroke. With lower octane, ie. less refined, fuels, > there is a higher fraction of lower and higher molecular weight carbon > compounds--such as pentane (5 carbons) and hexane (six carbons) and 11 and > 12 carbon compounds. Not only do the lower weight compounds light-off at > lower temperatures, but the more heterogenous the fuel mixture, the more > unstable it will be. *(octane ratings are, as most know, just measures of > the percentage of lower and higher carbon compounds in the gas mixture, > with the eight carbon molecule "octane" being ideal for gasoline engines.) > > The reason higher octane, more refined fuels are more detonation-resistant > is they have more heptane (7 carbons), octane, nonane (nine carbons), and > less of the smaller and larger carbon molecules and are therefore more > stable at higher temperatures--therefore, they only ignite when initiated > by a spark and the whole process is much more predictable with the more > uniform the fuel mixture. > > Alex Avery (a guy who still remembers his high school and college chemistry > factoids). > > At 12:29 AM 9/23/00 -0400, CarterCM@aol.com wrote: > >Tom, > >I've scratched my head on this a few times myself. Question...Gas CAN be > >refined to a higher octane (anti knock) without additives. So, isn't > >detonation (explosion) just a degree of the same process of rapid burn? So > >wouldn't the higher octane 'resist' the increase in rate of burn (burn > >slower) compared to a non-additive standard, as the ignition advances and > >pressure goes up? > > > >Craig Carter > > > >In a message dated 9/22/00 7:53:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >ra0618@email.sps.mot.com writes: > ><< I have to admit some old myth's die hard. I had for ages believed that > >premium > >fuel burned slower. Not so, all the grades burned the same. Premium just had > >the additives to prevent knock, so you can run a higher spark advance (which > >creates a higher pressure, hence better performance). Of course you need > >higher compression to take advantage of the advanced spark to gain the higher > >combustion pressure. >> From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 09:45:28 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "311" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:32:55 -0700 Subject: Back on the road! Hi there Roadsterites- *finally* got my '69 2000 back together. MAN what a long strange trip this has been. Nine months worth of waiting, buying, learning, procrastinating, and (really!) working on it has paid off. Sure I'm happy to be back in the sun - but more than that - I feel as though a massive weight has been lifted from my shoulders... it was getting to the point that I wondered if maybe this was the car that actually beat me and got sold in pieces. But "no suh!" I took 30+ pictures of the trans reassembly, and will do a write up and posting in the near future. I'd like to give something back to the roadster community. Couple of quick questions - 1) does anyone have a alternator plug set? Both the alternator side and the harness side? Mine are horribly melted together and I can see where one wire from the alt doesn't go anywhere anymore... I'd prefer to put in the correct plugs instead of a non-stock connector or (gasp) hardwiring. 2) does anyone have any words of wisdom on cutting a shifter? IMHO - the stock shifter is too long and too far forward - I have a spare to cut down and bend, but wonder about the wisdom of sectioning it versus just cutting the top off and rethreading it. I believe an oxyacetylene torch is my sole tool option here. Big BIG thanks to Gordon Glasgow, for his posting of "how-to fix yer tranny" and to Datsunmike for putting up with nagging off-list. Back in the sun- ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, finally back on the road - Toadster ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 09:45:34 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "Ben Zech" , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:39:11 -0700 Subject: Re: NO reverse (4 speed) > Ok, here is the problem... > started with the speedo not working > So I remove the cable, cable is OK. > Remove the plastic gear and shaft, worn out in one place. > Replace the plastic gear and shaft, go to drive the car, no reverse > gear..... 1,2,3,4 are smooth as silk....any ideas on what i did wrong, wont > even go in reverse at all. > Oh, BTW, speedo still does not work. > Thanks in advance. > > > BZ-RZ N.C. SPL/SRL "SEROC" > motormite@hotmail.com Hi Ben - I've recently been inside my 5speed, and couldn't help learning a bit about the four speeds at the same time. Reverse (and 5th if so equipped) are on a separate shift fork than 1&2 and 3&4. It seems perplexing, to say the least, that you could have screwed up that fork just by fiddling with the speedo gear. What do you feel when you try to put the trans in R? Nothing, nada, nobody home? Or a sorta-stiff sliding motion? If it's the latter, I suspect you may have sheared the pin that holds the R fork to the shift rod. Or will the shifter just not go into the R position? Kyle '69 2000 and some other Datsuns From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 09:45:52 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'Alex Avery'" , CarterCM@aol.com, Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:44:06 -0700 Subject: RE: PING PING If anyone has the drive to learn about gasoline, the attached link is a very complete paper on the subject http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.autos.tech.html I can't remmeber who referred this paper to the list more than a year ago (I think it was Gordon). Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 10:11:58 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "311" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:09:25 -0700 Subject: ...speaking of timing... Hi again Roadster folks- what should I set my idle timing at? '69 U20, all stock with the exception of a non-smog distributor and Pertronix. Currently at about 10 BTDC, FWIW. Could use some help with these numbers- 17 deg vac advance? 7 deg mech advance? 10 deg init advance -- 34 deg total == ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, engine/trans out, making a big mess ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 10:11:58 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "shifty" , "roadsters" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:55:57 -0700 Subject: Re: PING PING > So Tom, > > Is the higher-priced premium really needed? I always use it in my cars - a > 1500, and a Miata with the timing advanced. And it "feels" better, but since > San Francisco has the highest gas prices in the county, am I just padding > Chevron's coffers? > > Leigh Brooks > BADROC > > PS - it cost $22 to fill up the Miata the other day. There was a woman > filling up a Range Rover - she was still pumping and the meter was over $60! Hi Leigh- The octane you use is dependent on a number of things, all of which add up to a car's tendency to ping. High compression, high initial advance, sharp spots in the combustion chambers, etc. Set your car to its ideal settings, carb/timing/etc. Put some cheap gas in it, see what happens. If there's no audible pinging, I think you're in the clear. If it pings, retard your timing a couple degrees (within reason - don't go below 5BTDC or so), and see if that helps. If it's still pinging, go up to midgrade, and repeat. I have found that compression ratio, coupled with cam radicality (is that a word?!:-) is the single biggest indicator of required octane. A higher-end cam bleeds off compression at lower RPMs, so you can run more timing and not have to worry about pinging. OTOH, a high-compression engine with a low-end cam (IOW, stock), will have very high compression at idle, and will need more octane to prevent run-on. All that said - here's what I run: '71 PL521 - LZ22, 9.5+:1 compression, dual SUs, stock L20b cam, 92 octane '69 2000 - U20, stock engine with non-smog distributor & pertronix, 92 octane '72 240Z - L28, 8.3:1 compression, '73 cam, GM HEI, etc, 87 octane Now that you;ve made it through all that - here's the short version, IMHO, if you don't need the octane to prevent pinging/run-on, you're just throwing your money away. All IMHO, YMMV, standard disclaimers all around;-) Kyle From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 10:15:17 2000 From: CarterCM@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:14:04 EDT Subject: Fwd: PING PING --part1_bd.7501a00.2700d3cc_boundary Alex, Thanks for nicely clarifying the point of the question I tried to raise (without digging out my old organic chem books). While as Tom pointed out, gas (or the cocktail of compounds within the range of what refiners are allowed to call *gasoline*) may all burn at the same rate under controlled conditions but lower and higher refined grades do perform differently in an engine. Of course this is muddied by the fact that additives modify the way gas burns or resists detonation, and also allows refiners to sell a lower-refined (cheaper-to-produce) product that achieves a higher octane rating. An interesting side note. In the early days when unleaded fuel was first introduced, unleaded was more expensive because it had to be more highly refined to achieve the octane rating required by the engines of the day, without adding tetra-ethyl lead (remember Premium used to be called Ethyl). Most cars didn't have catalytic converters yet but removing the lead cleaned up emissions. Anyway, back then you could create a *super* fuel of higher octane than Premium by adding a few gallons of Premium into a tank of unleaded. The lead in the Premium boosted the octane of the highly-refined unleaded above Premium levels. Craig Carter >> --part1_bd.7501a00.2700d3cc_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: CarterCM@aol.com Full-name: CarterCM Message-ID: <9c.791bc07.2700d109@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:02:17 EDT Subject: Re: PING PING To: aavery@rica.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 9/25/00 7:31:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aavery@rica.net writes: << With lower octane, i.e. less refined, fuels, there is a higher fraction of lower and higher molecular weight carbon compounds--such as pentane (5 carbons) and hexane (six carbons) and 11 and 12 carbon compounds. Not only do the lower weight compounds light-off at lower temperatures, but the more heterogenous the fuel mixture, the more unstable it will be. *(octane ratings are, as most know, just measures of the percentage of lower and higher carbon compounds in the gas mixture, with the eight carbon molecule "octane" being ideal for gasoline engines.) The reason higher octane, more refined fuels are more detonation-resistant is they have more heptane (7 carbons), octane, nonane (nine carbons), and less of the smaller and larger carbon molecules and are therefore more stable at higher temperatures--therefore, they only ignite when initiated by a spark and the whole process is much more predictable with the more uniform the fuel mixture. >> _____________________________ Alex, Thanks for nicely clarifying the point of the question I tried to raise (without digging out my old organic chem books). While as Tom pointed out, gas (or the cocktail of compounds within the range of what refiners are allowed to call *gasoline*) may all burn at the same rate under controlled conditions but lower and higher refined grades do perform differently in an engine. Of course this is muddied by the fact that additives modify the way gas burns or resists detonation, and also allows refiners to sell a lower-refined (cheaper-to-produce) product that achieves a higher octane rating. An interesting side note. In the early days when unleaded fuel was first introduced, unleaded was more expensive because it had to be more highly refined to achieve the octane rating required by the engines of the day, without adding tetra-ethyl lead (remember Premium used to be called Ethyl). Most cars didn't have catalytic converters yet but removing the lead cleaned up emissions. Anyway, back then you could create a *super* fuel of higher octane than Premium by adding a few gallons of Premium into a tank of unleaded. The lead in the Premium boosted the octane of the highly-refined unleaded above Premium levels. Craig Carter --part1_bd.7501a00.2700d3cc_boundary-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 10:34:47 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net'" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:29:45 -0700 Subject: AutoX report and Roadster Sighting Well, I'm sunburned again. Went AutoXing Sunday at Anaheim Stadium held by the CalClub SCCA org. This group had so many national winners and it was a real kick in pregrid, knowing the RX-3 Behind you and the Miata next to you are National Champs. It was a fast course with lots of room but still 2nd gear was the top I ever saw. The Top time of the day was a hot battle, between a 175cc shifter cart and a wild contraption created and raced by the Cal Poly Group. the Shifter cart took it with a 49.013! An amaizing time! My times, on the other hand, have become distressingly consistant. It seemed that no amount of effort could improve them. According to the scoreboards, I placed 2nd out of a field of 5 in C Stock, but the scoreboards are sketchy and I'll have to wait for the official results. I got extra style points on my second class run (fastest of the day). I was so intent to fly through the stop-finish lights that I forgot to slow down for the 90 after the finish lights! I ended up doing a complete spin in that narrow corner without knocking over 1 cone or leaving the lane! Much to the delight of the spectators, who gave me much applause and thumbs up! C Stock 63.211 62.270 63.168 Time only 63.827 62.359 62.712 While there, a fellow came up to me and told me that he has a roadster too and that he had met Andrew. I went to see it in the parking lot. A white 70 1600, tan interior, with a very clean L motor conversion (maybe one of Stan's conversion kits). He said it was a 2L but I cant tell an L-16 from an L-18 or L-20 even on a good day. The 510 fellow next to us could only say it had an SSS head. Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 10:58:24 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net'" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:54:22 -0700 Subject: Racing Gas (was ping ping) All this talk about gasoline made me do some internet searches. One search led me to this outfit that sell racing feul out of the pumps, 24 hours a day at several SoCal locations http://www.cosbyoil.com/racegas.htm Victor 70 SRL 31113136 Los Angeles http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 11:06:55 2000 From: noji To: roadsters Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:21:46 -0700 Subject: Re: electrical system questions Fred, The extinguisher that I had is a old Halon unit. I've had it in the car for 10 plus years. Purchased this type so I wouldn't have to clean up a mess. I was just looking on the web this AM and am not sure if halon is still marketed. Is this a CFC and thus bad for the ozone? Dana Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > > Speaking of power uses, I used an adapter to power my cell-phone on the way > back from Shasta. I've got two sockets in my radio console plate - the > stock cigarette lighter socket and a 12V accessory socket. We were at a > McDonalds parking lot. I had a device in the accessory socket, and plugged > the phone adapter in the cigarette lighter socket. > > All of a sudden a thick cloud of smoke started pouring from under the dash! > Dana Nojima came running over with a fire extinguisher but I stopped him > from using it while I yanked the wire off from behind the socket. (I didn't > want to clean up after an extinguisher on my nice shiny dash.) > > Fred > BADROC -- Dana Nojima, Ph.D. Department of Urology VA Medical Center - 112F 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 fax: (415) 750-6639 noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 11:52:43 2000 From: "Ryan, Richard" To: "'noji'" , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:54:02 -0700 Subject: RE: electrical system questions Yes, Halon is a CFC and is bad for the ozone. But I wouldn't throw the extinguisher away. As long as it is charged it is ready for use and is valuable to you. You may be able to find a CFC recycler that will buy it from you and recycle it. (Depending which halon it is, it can still be used in refrigeration/air conditioning systems.) Replacing it with an "approved" gas extinguishing agent will be expensive. The entire fixed halon system for my race car cost less than $100 many years ago. To replace the bottle would be over $300 today. However $300 is a small price to pay to not have the race car burn to the ground. Dick Ryan ex. 24022 (650)312-4022 Risk Management Dept. SM 2000/2 FAX (650)312-5830 -----Original Message----- From: noji [mailto:noji@snowman.med.umn.edu] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:22 AM To: roadsters Subject: Re: electrical system questions Fred, The extinguisher that I had is a old Halon unit. I've had it in the car for 10 plus years. Purchased this type so I wouldn't have to clean up a mess. I was just looking on the web this AM and am not sure if halon is still marketed. Is this a CFC and thus bad for the ozone? Dana Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > > Speaking of power uses, I used an adapter to power my cell-phone on the way > back from Shasta. I've got two sockets in my radio console plate - the > stock cigarette lighter socket and a 12V accessory socket. We were at a > McDonalds parking lot. I had a device in the accessory socket, and plugged > the phone adapter in the cigarette lighter socket. > > All of a sudden a thick cloud of smoke started pouring from under the dash! > Dana Nojima came running over with a fire extinguisher but I stopped him > from using it while I yanked the wire off from behind the socket. (I didn't > want to clean up after an extinguisher on my nice shiny dash.) > > Fred > BADROC -- Dana Nojima, Ph.D. Department of Urology VA Medical Center - 112F 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 fax: (415) 750-6639 noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 11:57:31 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, KWS711@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:56:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) Hi Kim, Also congrats to Chris Thompson! I didn't like the Pertronics in my cars, so I put points back in. Note that I said cars. It was in my '66 1600 when I bought the car and it ran sluggish; much better after converting to points. I converted my '70 1600 to Pertronics and it ran sluggish, so I went back to points. When I rebuilt my 2000 into my '66 I installed Pertronics, then went to points. All different units on different cars. I agree, is there a trick to them? Sure, Pertronics don't wear out like points (over time) but I tune my cars periodically. AFAIK, don't remove the green tape, it stays on. Fred - So.SF BADROC P.S. Awesome 80's clear weather! _________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________ >Subject: Re: olympic glory-thompson wins bronze!! >Author: KWS711@aol.com >Date: 9/24/2000 5:46 PM > >Very nice write up in today's Oregonian. New American record, a >personal best by almost 8 seconds in the 1500 meter freestyle. > >Congrates to the Thompsons!! > >Ever since I put my Pertronics in, the car runs like crap. Put the >points back in today and it runs fine. Question: The instructions say >at the beginning not to remove the green tape. Is this for protection >during installation? Should the tape be removed before running? Any >suggestions would be appreciated. > >Sunny and around 75 in Portland. Time for a cruise. > >Kim >68 2000 CSP >NOWROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 12:25:36 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: , , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:23:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) > Hi Kim, > > Also congrats to Chris Thompson! > > I didn't like the Pertronics in my cars, so I put points back in. Note that > I said cars. It was in my '66 1600 when I bought the car and it ran > sluggish; much better after converting to points. I converted my '70 1600 > to Pertronics and it ran sluggish, so I went back to points. When I rebuilt > my 2000 into my '66 I installed Pertronics, then went to points. All > different units on different cars. > > I agree, is there a trick to them? Sure, Pertronics don't wear out like > points (over time) but I tune my cars periodically. AFAIK, don't remove the > green tape, it stays on. > > Fred - So.SF > BADROC > P.S. Awesome 80's clear weather! Hi Fred- I have always wondered if something was up with the Pertronix'esi. My '69 is very on and off - sometimes it pulls like a train till 6000, other times it sputters and shudders at about 4000; As I have charging problems (15v+) and haven't investigated float levels, valve adjustments, etc, I can't say for sure that the EI is the cause.... but now I wonder. Still have the new points, might give 'em a shot. ...now I regret passing up that garage sale dwell meter;-) Kyle Santa Rosa PS - agree 110% about the weather, yeehawww! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 12:37:34 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: roadsters , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:33:32 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: electrical system questions Dana, I think that's so. Halon disappeared because of worries about the atmosphere. I've also got some tanks that are probably 10 years old. I keep two in the kitchen, a couple in the garage, and one in each roadster. Never tested them, but the gauge says it's in the good range. I figure it's okay to keep the existing ones because if someone disposed of them they would probably just discharge them into the atmosphere anyway. Fred - So.SF BADROC ____________________ Reply Separator ______________________ >Subject: Re: electrical system questions >Author: noji >Date: 9/25/2000 10:21 AM > >Fred, > >The extinguisher that I had is a old Halon unit. I've had it in the car for >10 plus years. Purchased this type so I wouldn't have to clean up a mess. >I was just looking on the web this AM and am not sure if halon is still >marketed. Is this a CFC and thus bad for the ozone? > >Dana > >Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: >> >> Speaking of power uses, I used an adapter to power my cell-phone on the >way > back from Shasta. I've got two sockets in my radio console plate - >the >> stock cigarette lighter socket and a 12V accessory socket. We were at a >> McDonalds parking lot. I had a device in the accessory socket, and >plugged > the phone adapter in the cigarette lighter socket. >> >> All of a sudden a thick cloud of smoke started pouring from under the >dash! > Dana Nojima came running over with a fire extinguisher but I >stopped him >> from using it while I yanked the wire off from behind the socket. (I >didn't > want to clean up after an extinguisher on my nice shiny dash.) >> >> Fred >> BADROC > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 12:39:19 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "'noji'" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:40:55 -0500 Subject: RE: electrical system questions My brother used to deal in Halon fire extinguishers for many years. Yep - the EPA put a stop to all Halon extinguisher production except for fire departments. Seems the Halon puts out fires but burns holes in the ozone. To bad - the stuff is GOOD. If it still has pressure keep it around. Phil SEROC -----Original Message----- From: noji [SMTP:noji@snowman.med.umn.edu] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 12:22 PM To: roadsters Subject: Re: electrical system questions Fred, The extinguisher that I had is a old Halon unit. I've had it in the car for 10 plus years. Purchased this type so I wouldn't have to clean up a mess. I was just looking on the web this AM and am not sure if halon is still marketed. Is this a CFC and thus bad for the ozone? Dana Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > > Speaking of power uses, I used an adapter to power my cell-phone on the way > back from Shasta. I've got two sockets in my radio console plate - the > stock cigarette lighter socket and a 12V accessory socket. We were at a > McDonalds parking lot. I had a device in the accessory socket, and plugged > the phone adapter in the cigarette lighter socket. > > All of a sudden a thick cloud of smoke started pouring from under the dash! > Dana Nojima came running over with a fire extinguisher but I stopped him > from using it while I yanked the wire off from behind the socket. (I didn't > want to clean up after an extinguisher on my nice shiny dash.) > > Fred > BADROC -- Dana Nojima, Ph.D. Department of Urology VA Medical Center - 112F 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 fax: (415) 750-6639 noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 12:47:20 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:47:57 -0700 Subject: Roadster sounds I saw an article about a New Zealand guy who sells CD's of lawnmower noises (so you can get back at neighbors who party too much). That got me thinking about our roadster vroom-vroom exhausts. At one time I came across a website that had the roadster sound. Does anyone have the URL? (Or know of a CD with our roadster noises!) I hate the Windows chimes on my PC and want something pleasant to listen to! Thanks, Fred - So.SF BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 13:52:12 2000 From: Roman Rist To: "Laury, Victor" , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Racing Gas (was ping ping) --- "Laury, Victor" wrote: > All this talk about gasoline made me do some internet searches. One > search > led me to this outfit that sell racing feul out of the pumps, 24 > hours a day > at several SoCal locations Cool! Maybe our next run will start at one of these pumps. Maybe you need to put the racing tires back on too..and comp springs and... and .... Roman __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 14:24:31 2000 From: Alex Avery To: "Hall, Phillip" , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:21:41 -0400 Subject: RE: electrical system questions What? You're going to promote using and maintaining stocks of a dangerous, ozone-destroying, evil chemical such as Halon just because you want to protect your old car from catastrophic fires? You'll do this even after you know that the car doesn't meet EPA-mandated Ultra-low Emmisions Vehicle standards, thereby harming children with toxic air pollution--not to mention the whole global warming thing. Well, when I'm president, I, Al Gore, will take on Big Oil and Big HMOs to make sure that no American family must beg evil, profit-seeking companies for a better fire protection alternative and I'll create an entire government bureaucracy to explore new, high-tech fire suppression alternatives that are both fair, and environmentally sensitive. Paid for by a grant from the Government Environmental Trust and Regulatory Enhancement Alternative Loans program, or GET REAL! At 01:40 PM 9/25/00 -0500, Hall, Phillip wrote: >My brother used to deal in Halon fire extinguishers for many years. Yep - >the EPA put a stop to all Halon extinguisher production except for fire >departments. Seems the Halon puts out fires but burns holes in the ozone. >To bad - the stuff is GOOD. If it still has pressure keep it around. > >Phil >SEROC > > -----Original Message----- > From: noji [SMTP:noji@snowman.med.umn.edu] > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 12:22 PM > To: roadsters > Subject: Re: electrical system questions > > Fred, > > The extinguisher that I had is a old Halon unit. I've had it in the >car > for 10 plus years. Purchased this type so I wouldn't have to clean >up a > mess. I was just looking on the web this AM and am not sure if >halon is > still marketed. Is this a CFC and thus bad for the ozone? > > Dana > > Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > > > > Speaking of power uses, I used an adapter to power my cell-phone >on the way > > back from Shasta. I've got two sockets in my radio console plate - >the > > stock cigarette lighter socket and a 12V accessory socket. We were >at a > > McDonalds parking lot. I had a device in the accessory socket, and >plugged > > the phone adapter in the cigarette lighter socket. > > > > All of a sudden a thick cloud of smoke started pouring from under >the dash! > > Dana Nojima came running over with a fire extinguisher but I >stopped him > > from using it while I yanked the wire off from behind the socket. >(I didn't > > want to clean up after an extinguisher on my nice shiny dash.) > > > > Fred > > BADROC > > -- > Dana Nojima, Ph.D. > Department of Urology > VA Medical Center - 112F > 4150 Clement Street > San Francisco, CA 94121 > > phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 > fax: (415) 750-6639 > noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 14:44:46 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: "Kyle Hagemann" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:44:14 -0700 Subject: Re: ...speaking of timing... Kyle asks: > what should I set my idle timing at? '69 U20, all stock with > the exception of a non-smog distributor and Pertronix. SU or solex carbs? Since you mention vacuum advance, I assume SU's. Disconnect and plug the vacuum advance line, and set the idle (should be about 700 as I recall). Then time it to 16 degrees BTDC, if you do indeed have a non-smog (15 degree mechanical advance) distributor. Remember to reconnect the vacuum line when you're done. It goes to the little vacuum bib on the top of the front carb in front of the dome (U20; on the R16 it's on the bottom of the rear carb). It does not go directly to the intake manifold. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 14:56:42 2000 From: Beamonk@aol.com To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, KWS711@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:53:22 EDT Subject: Re: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) I have the pertronics in my 2000 and have not had one worry since installing it. It may be sluggish due to a number of factors, not hooked up to the right source, bad connection or a general weak link in the ignition system. The moment I installed it, it cranked like a much newer car. John Brasfield SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 15:08:55 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:08:05 EDT Subject: Fwd: Roadster for sale Hello all, I got this note from Earl regarding a car for sale in Phoenix AZ. If someone is looking for a Roadster out that way, this may be the ticket. I know nothing about the car beyond what is in the note, so contact Earl with any questions that you may have. Sid >From: "Sisson, Earl" >To: "'spl310@hotmail.com'" >Subject: Roadster for sale >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:42:42 -0700 > >My stepson is selling his 1970 1600 Roadster. It needs work but he drives >it to work every day in Phoenix, he just doesn't have the money to restore >the car. Any suggestions to see that it goes to a good home? > >Earl Sisson >602 231-4505 >email at earl.sisson@honeywell.com _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 15:28:22 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: "Hall; Phillip" , Alex Avery Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:19:13 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: electrical system questions So sorry! I'll do as my leaders ask, and take my roadsters to the crushers along with those evil fire extinguishers. After all, government knows best what is good for us. My cars must be putting out more emissions than those clean-burning space shuttles and Air Force One. ;> Fred ________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________ >Subject: RE: electrical system questions >Author: Alex Avery >Date: 9/25/2000 4:21 PM > >What? You're going to promote using and maintaining stocks of a >dangerous, ozone-destroying, evil chemical such as Halon just because >you want to protect your old car from catastrophic fires? You'll do >this even after you know that the car doesn't meet EPA-mandated >Ultra-low Emmisions Vehicle standards, thereby harming children with >toxic air pollution--not to mention the whole global warming thing. > >Well, when I'm president, I, Al Gore, will take on Big Oil and Big HMOs >to make sure that no American family must beg evil, profit-seeking >companies for a better fire protection alternative and I'll create an >entire government bureaucracy to explore new, high-tech fire suppression >alternatives that are both fair, and environmentally sensitive. > >Paid for by a grant from the Government Environmental Trust and >Regulatory Enhancement Alternative Loans program, or GET REAL! > >At 01:40 PM 9/25/00 -0500, Hall, Phillip wrote: >>My brother used to deal in Halon fire extinguishers for many years. >Yep - >the EPA put a stop to all Halon extinguisher production except >for fire >departments. Seems the Halon puts out fires but burns holes >in the ozone. >To bad - the stuff is GOOD. If it still has pressure >keep it around. >> >>Phil >>SEROC >> From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 15:33:13 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "'Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us'" , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:35:16 -0500 Subject: RE: Re[2]: electrical system questions Don't pick on the space shuttle - its main engines produce O2 + H2 = water :-) OK - the SRB's dump nasty acids and asbestos all over Florida. Don't go and tell Al or he will crush the shuttle along with our Roadsters:-) Phil -----Original Message----- From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us [SMTP:Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 4:19 PM To: Hall; Phillip; Alex Avery Cc: Roadsters (E-mail) Subject: Re[2]: electrical system questions So sorry! I'll do as my leaders ask, and take my roadsters to the crushers along with those evil fire extinguishers. After all, government knows best what is good for us. My cars must be putting out more emissions than those clean-burning space shuttles and Air Force One. ;> Fred From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 15:35:49 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Ben Zech" , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:31:25 -0400 Subject: Re: NO reverse (4 speed) Ben, There is no correlation between you fiddling with the speedo drive and reverse not working. Kyle was right when he mentioned that reverse has, in the 4 speed, its own shifter rod. I have 2 4 speeds open in my basement and will look at them to help sort your problem out. Please send me more info re: the problem, if any. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Zech To: Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 7:06 PM Subject: NO reverse (4 speed) > Ok, here is the problem... > started with the speedo not working > So I remove the cable, cable is OK. > Remove the plastic gear and shaft, worn out in one place. > Replace the plastic gear and shaft, go to drive the car, no reverse > gear..... 1,2,3,4 are smooth as silk....any ideas on what i did wrong, wont > even go in reverse at all. > Oh, BTW, speedo still does not work. > Thanks in advance. > > > BZ-RZ N.C. SPL/SRL "SEROC" > motormite@hotmail.com > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 16:10:23 2000 From: "Ben Zech" To: Beamonk@aol.com, Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:09:15 GMT Subject: Re: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) Pertronics after one year, no problem. Have it in three different cars. BZ >From: Beamonk@aol.com >Reply-To: Beamonk@aol.com >To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, KWS711@aol.com >Subject: Re: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:53:22 EDT > >I have the pertronics in my 2000 and have not had one worry since >installing >it. It may be sluggish due to a number of factors, not hooked up to the >right >source, bad connection or a general weak link in the ignition system. The >moment I installed it, it cranked like a much newer car. >John Brasfield >SEROC _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 16:40:34 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Alex Avery" , , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:36:01 -0400 Subject: Re: PING PING Alex, When did you graduate????? Last year?????? I remember nothing from high school chemistry!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Avery To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:28 AM Subject: Re: PING PING > My understanding is the reason that lower octane fuels are more prone to > detonation is not due to faster burn, but due to a more precise light-off. > That is, detonation is premature light-off, say from a "hot spot" in the > combustion chamber, etc. as the fuel/air mixture heats from compression > during the compression stroke. With lower octane, ie. less refined, fuels, > there is a higher fraction of lower and higher molecular weight carbon > compounds--such as pentane (5 carbons) and hexane (six carbons) and 11 and > 12 carbon compounds. Not only do the lower weight compounds light-off at > lower temperatures, but the more heterogenous the fuel mixture, the more > unstable it will be. *(octane ratings are, as most know, just measures of > the percentage of lower and higher carbon compounds in the gas mixture, > with the eight carbon molecule "octane" being ideal for gasoline engines.) > > The reason higher octane, more refined fuels are more detonation-resistant > is they have more heptane (7 carbons), octane, nonane (nine carbons), and > less of the smaller and larger carbon molecules and are therefore more > stable at higher temperatures--therefore, they only ignite when initiated > by a spark and the whole process is much more predictable with the more > uniform the fuel mixture. > > Alex Avery (a guy who still remembers his high school and college chemistry > factoids). > > > At 12:29 AM 9/23/00 -0400, CarterCM@aol.com wrote: > >Tom, > >I've scratched my head on this a few times myself. Question...Gas CAN be > >refined to a higher octane (anti knock) without additives. So, isn't > >detonation (explosion) just a degree of the same process of rapid burn? So > >wouldn't the higher octane 'resist' the increase in rate of burn (burn > >slower) compared to a non-additive standard, as the ignition advances and > >pressure goes up? > > > >Craig Carter > > > >In a message dated 9/22/00 7:53:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >ra0618@email.sps.mot.com writes: > ><< I have to admit some old myth's die hard. I had for ages believed that > >premium > >fuel burned slower. Not so, all the grades burned the same. Premium just had > >the additives to prevent knock, so you can run a higher spark advance (which > >creates a higher pressure, hence better performance). Of course you need > >higher compression to take advantage of the advanced spark to gain the higher > >combustion pressure. >> > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 16:41:21 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Thomas Walter" , "Alex Avery" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:46:36 -0500 Subject: Re: PING PING Thomas Walter wrote >I used to be able to buy Toulene in a 5 gallon drum, industrial >cleaning fluid. It is also a nice octane booster. It is also useful as a liver remover . Had the dubious honor of working with some nasty solvents. Trichloroflourethane,111, now banned is particularly nasty. I was told by my employer that it was "safety solvent, safe to bathe in" -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 16:41:24 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "noji" , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:46:38 -0500 Subject: Re: electrical system questions noji wrote >Fred, > >The extinguisher that I had is a old Halon unit. I've had it in the car >for 10 plus years. Purchased this type so I wouldn't have to clean up a >mess. I was just looking on the web this AM and am not sure if halon is >still marketed. Is this a CFC and thus bad for the ozone? > >Dana That, and Halon is so effective at displacing oxygen that it can cause the user to loose conciousness if used in a closed space. I had (have) a helon unit as well, but it's way expired. I need to get the old messy type, I suppose. Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 16:47:00 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Hall, Phillip" , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:52:18 -0500 Subject: RE: Re[2]: electrical system questions Hall, Phillip wrote >Don't pick on the space shuttle - its main engines produce O2 + H2 = water >:-) OK - the SRB's dump nasty acids and asbestos all over Florida. Don't >go and tell Al or he will crush the shuttle along with our Roadsters:-) > >Phil Yes, let's not pick on the Shuttle. Let'sw also avoid Political commentary and other such off topic rubbish :-) Roadster on... Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 16:53:25 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "Ben Zech" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:47:21 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) Hi Ben, I don't doubt that having a Pertronics will make your car hum worry-free. What I didn't like is that they made my cars SLOW. And I like fast. I'd like to see a regular roadster engine with Pertronics go fast, and see how it's accomplished. If need be, I'll compare my stock '70 1600 with SU's or my '66 2000 with SU's against a similarly equipped Pertronics roadster. Fred - So.SF BADROC ________________________ Reply Separator __________________________ >Subject: Re: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) >Author: "Ben Zech" >Date: 9/25/2000 10:09 PM > >Pertronics after one year, no problem. Have it in three different cars. >BZ > >>From: Beamonk@aol.com >>Reply-To: Beamonk@aol.com >>To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, >KWS711@aol.com >Subject: Re: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) >>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:53:22 EDT > >>I have the pertronics in my 2000 and have not had one worry since >>installing >>it. It may be sluggish due to a number of factors, not hooked up to >the >right >>source, bad connection or a general weak link in the ignition system. >The >moment I installed it, it cranked like a much newer car. >>John Brasfield >>SEROC > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 17:03:36 2000 From: Beamonk@aol.com To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:00:30 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) uh oh, do I sense a flame ? John Brasfield 68 2000, pretty fast From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 17:08:25 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Good Fuel Lines? Hello, Hmm, I really need to replace all of my underhood rubber lines. Everything is looking old and worn. Especially the waterlines for the carbs. ` So this product is not stainless steel?? Its some cheaper copy with good quality rubber inards?? Daniel 69 2000 SF CA > >>I am planning on replacing my underhood rubber fuel lines soon. > >>I have heard it said on the list to 'buy good quality lines' What does > >>that mean exactly?? What makes a good quality fuel line? Next where > >>can I get one?? > > I just replaced all of my fuel lines. I ordered 25' of 3/8" and 25" of 1/4" > hard line and used Spectre stainless sleeved braided lines to replace the > rubber hose. I am really happy with it as it has the look of real stainless > hose at a fraction of the cost. It appears to be a quality rubber hose at > the core. The cost was reasonable, and the hose clamps look pretty cool too > (red/blue AN imitations). For the purist or racer it is not appropriate, > but I like it. I will probably do all of my hoses like this at some point. > I ordered everything out of the Summit catalogue. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 17:09:50 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: "Hall, Phillip" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:05:42 +0200 Subject: Re: electrical system questions Hey, dont pick on Al Gore. He's a cool dude and he invented internet. His wife put those stickers on CD's that we find amusing in Europe. Phil, how difficult would it be to install the Saturn 5 engine in a Roadster? Smoking off the others would give the words a new dimension. Thomas Hall, Phillip wrote: > Don't pick on the space shuttle - its main engines produce O2 + H2 = water > :-) OK - the SRB's dump nasty acids and asbestos all over Florida. Don't > go and tell Al or he will crush the shuttle along with our Roadsters:-) > > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us [SMTP:Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us] > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 4:19 PM > To: Hall; Phillip; Alex Avery > Cc: Roadsters (E-mail) > Subject: Re[2]: electrical system questions > > So sorry! I'll do as my leaders ask, and take my roadsters to the > crushers > along with those evil fire extinguishers. After all, government > knows best > what is good for us. My cars must be putting out more emissions than > those > clean-burning space shuttles and Air Force One. ;> > > Fred > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 17:41:28 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: Marc Tyler Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:40:45 -0700 Subject: Industrial solvents [off-list] You wrote: > Had the dubious honor of working > with some nasty solvents. Trichloroflourethane,111... Years ago, bought several spray cans of this stuff at Pic-n-Save. I may still have a can or two somewhere. Sure did clean greasy parts! It was so good, it made me wonder just how evil it was... -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 17:47:05 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Ben Zech" , , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:42:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) Me too after 4 years!!!!!! Are you sure you hooked it up right????? I don't mean to insult you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Zech To: ; ; ; Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Pertronics (was olympic glory...) > Pertronics after one year, no problem. > Have it in three different cars. > BZ > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 17:49:18 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:48:43 -0700 Subject: Industrial solvents I wrote: > [off-list] Oops - sorry, all. It was _supposed_ to be off-list. Darn cc: field... -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 17:49:40 2000 From: Hoon Kim To: datsun roadster mailist Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:49:04 -0700 Subject: wooden steering wheel I've seen a few roadsters out there with wooden steering wheels. What types are there out there for the roadsters, and what caveats should I be aware of when looking (i.e. easy swappable installation). PS are low windshield and later model steering wheels different? I have an early '67. -- - Hoon Kim - x6184 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 17:50:06 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:48:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Pertronics > Hi Ben, > > I don't doubt that having a Pertronics will make your car hum worry-free. > What I didn't like is that they made my cars SLOW. And I like fast. I'd > like to see a regular roadster engine with Pertronics go fast, and see how > it's accomplished. If need be, I'll compare my stock '70 1600 with SU's or > my '66 2000 with SU's against a similarly equipped Pertronics roadster. > > Fred - So.SF > BADROC Hi Fred, roadster land; This is an interesting thread! In what sort of shape is the rest of your ignition, Fred? Mine is of the "who knows" category; old wires, wiring, ignition coil, ballast resistor. I wonder if maybe the increased demands of the accurate-and-consistent Pertronix is too much for the coil? :-) I really might just put those points back in! Kyle From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 18:02:33 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:01:55 EDT Subject: re: halon v gore In a message dated 9/25/00 1:29:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, aavery@rica.net writes: > What? You're going to promote using and maintaining stocks of a dangerous, > ozone-destroying, evil chemical such as Halon just because you want to > protect your old car from catastrophic fires? Just wondering what sort of evil, noxious, Gore-forbidden stuff a smouldering Roadster would emit? Halon is prolly a decent trade-off over that ! Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 18:12:33 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "Kyle Hagemann" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:09:30 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: Pertronics Hi Kyle, I'm not saying Pertronix can't be fast. I just want to find out how it can be done. It was pre-installed in my '66 when I bought it. I used a brand-new unit in my '70 1600 and followed all the instructions. And I used a brand-new unit in my '66 2000 when I rebuilt the engine. The engine was almost completely new - new valves, rings, spark plugs, wires, distributor, coil, ballast resistor, carb components, etc. But it didn't perform as well as I wanted. I switched to points and it made a big difference. Maybe the addition of a higher-powered coil would do the trick to make the Pertronix perform. When I tune my standard points setup, I'll put the dwell at the recommended specs and go from there. I can vary the gap thereby changing the dwell. With Pertronics, I could not see any way to vary the dwell. Fred - So.SF BADROC _________________________ Reply Separator __________________________ >Subject: Re: Pertronics >Author: "Kyle Hagemann" >Date: 9/25/2000 4:48 PM > >> Hi Ben, >> >> I don't doubt that having a Pertronics will make your car hum >worry-free. > What I didn't like is that they made my cars SLOW. And I >like fast. I'd >> like to see a regular roadster engine with Pertronics go fast, and >see how > it's accomplished. If need be, I'll compare my stock '70 1600 >with SU's or > my '66 2000 with SU's against a similarly equipped >Pertronics roadster. >> >> Fred - So.SF >> BADROC > >Hi Fred, roadster land; > >This is an interesting thread! In what sort of shape is the rest of >your ignition, Fred? Mine is of the "who knows" category; old wires, >wiring, ignition coil, ballast resistor. I wonder if maybe the >increased demands of the accurate-and-consistent Pertronix is too much >for the coil? > >:-) I really might just put those points back in! > >Kyle > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 18:13:20 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:12:45 EDT Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel In a message dated 9/25/00 4:51:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, hoon@pixar.com writes: > I've seen a few roadsters out there with wooden steering wheels. What > types are there out there for the roadsters, and what caveats should > I be aware of when looking (i.e. easy swappable installation). ICK - personal preference here, but I've had many old British cars w/ wooden steering wheels. Yes, they look classy, but I can't stand the feel !!!!! Sweaty/sticky for long, "involved" (ie: fun/heavy cornering) drives. (A good set of leather driving gloves may alleviate this.) If the car is left out in the sun much they get icky really quick. Having spent most of my days in damp WA state, I can tell ya the wet ain't much better for them either. Got a cheapie fine-grain leather wrap on the stock wheel on my '70 & I like it just fine. "Save the trees - avoid wooden steering wheels" (couldn't resist after the PC halon thing ) Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 19:29:21 2000 From: "Ofarrell, Fergus" To: "'roadster.netlist'" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:40:47 -0700 Subject: reply: soft top bow .....The center settled, but I think I have finally discovered "the bow", which now appears bent all to hell, and now the side clasps won't stay latched. Have I completely screwed myself, or is there a way or a vendor that can rescue me from my idiocy? What I really need is a new top, but I don't have the funds at this time. Would any reputable upholstery shop be able to repair the bow, or have I possibly fried it beyond repair. What the hell is it made of anyway. It feels like metal under the top fabric. Has anybody tried to fabricate one out of plastic? ___________________________________ Jon, the soft top bow is a sheet metal clamshell sort of arrangement, two shaped skins welded together to give the outer shape for the top and the inner shape so that the clamp screws get loaded the right way (shear). It is a rather long 'beam' for this, and tends to not react well when clamps apply torque, twisting the shape and starting the fit-up nightmare. I found my front bow out-of-whack, missing the clamps in a similar manner, and sent it to CDM, (possibly other vendors have options for this as well) figuring the 3D shape (and my complete lack of experience with sheet metal) was beyond me. I figured it this way: if I spend 3-13 hours, and honk up one of the three clamps, I've equaled the amount I will spend getting it done correctly. Your average upholstery shop will farm out the sheetmetal work, and without the car to use as a guide, I have no idea how they would come up with the clamp placement in the right place in 3D space. Plastic (fiberglass) is something I have been contemplating, and will attempt. In order to get the rigidity needed for a seal all the way across, plus inserts/nutplates for the clamps, it sure isn't gonna be lighter. If I was to open up the existing sheetmetal, I would start by putting a good rust-preventative coat on the inside surfaces, then once closed I would shoot it full of closed-cell insulation foam, which will help to keep things stiff and supported. Good luck, Fergus O'Farrell 69 2000 (no tops that fit, and when they do- maybe I don't) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 19:36:40 2000 From: Ldino21@aol.com To: hoon@pixar.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:33:25 EDT Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel Hoon, I have a 69 2000 with a wooden Grant GT Steering Wheel. What everyone close to roadsters have told me, the toughest thing about the other steering wheels is the adapters for them. It is very hard to find a Grant replacement adapter for the Roadsters. I love the feel of my Steering whel it has a smaller radius than the stock ones and overall has a better feel for me. Lou Smaldino 69-2000 68-1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 19:59:35 2000 From: "Andy Cost" To: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:57:39 -0500 Subject: Re: halon v gore At the risk of stirring up a can of worms, I would like to express my political opinion in an attempt to sway votes. Gore, in his book, calls for the elimination of all internal combustion engines. I want the roadster community to know that he firmly believes all of our little cars should be scrapped in favor of electric vehicles. A funny thing really. Where does all the electricity come from? If you guessed fossil fueled power plants, you are right. I'll concede that a small percentage comes from hydro and wind power. Gore is not concerned with sound science. He wants to be the environment's champion, and will support any opinion that projects him that way. I will give a brief example and then feel free to flame at will. He stated that 90% of sulfur emissions in the atmosphere came from internal combustion engines, and called for more regulations. The truth is that 99% of all sulfur emissions come from volcanoes. Either he didn't research properly, intentionally told a fib, or listened to the wrong advisor. In any case, the information was wrong. I don't want someone spreading this type of lie deciding the fate of my roadster. Sorry about the OT rant, Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:01 PM Subject: re: halon v gore > In a message dated 9/25/00 1:29:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > aavery@rica.net writes: > > > What? You're going to promote using and maintaining stocks of a dangerous, > > ozone-destroying, evil chemical such as Halon just because you want to > > protect your old car from catastrophic fires? > > Just wondering what sort of evil, noxious, Gore-forbidden stuff a smouldering > Roadster would emit? Halon is prolly a decent trade-off over that ! > > Laurie :-) > 70 SPL311 > 69 SRL311 > Chandler, AZ > > Laurie :-) > 70 SPL311 > 69 SRL311 > Chandler, AZ > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 21:05:58 2000 From: "Joe Christen" To: Ldino21@aol.com, hoon@pixar.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:13:36 -0400 Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel What aftermaket steering wheels are available for high windshield roadsters? Does Momo or Personal make hubs to fit our cars? Is the hub the same as any other Datsuns? Joe Christen '68-2000 ---------- >From: Ldino21@aol.com >To: hoon@pixar.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel >Date: Mon, Sep 25, 2000, 9:33 PM > >Hoon, > >I have a 69 2000 with a wooden Grant GT Steering Wheel. What everyone close >to roadsters have told me, the toughest thing about the other steering wheels >is the adapters for them. It is very hard to find a Grant replacement adapter >for the Roadsters. I love the feel of my Steering whel it has a smaller >radius than the stock ones and overall has a better feel for me. > >Lou Smaldino >69-2000 >68-1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 21:31:08 2000 From: bill wessel To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:14:00 -0500 Subject: Sweet little 1600 Hey guys, I know I haven't been too vocal of late on the list. I don't log on that often and can't get it at work (due to the volume), so when I do get on it's just enough to wade through the umpteen hundred messages, let alone post and reply....... Anyway, I thought I'd let you know about a great little car up for sale. This is a '68 1600. Why am I so sweet on her? Well, 'cause I've seen her around a time or two and she's still looking pretty darn good. Recent history: This car belonged to George Ellingson, who gave it a fresh coat of pearl white paint and had it for sale at Road America in '91. He sold it to Sheryl Henderson, who brought it to our Diaryland Datsun Roadster Dayout in '92 and was awarded "Best Late 1600". Sheryl then traded it for a motorcycle to her friend Pat Fuller. Turns out that Pat has had the car right here in Madison, WI for the last several years (and I didn't even know). But it popped up in the paper and we got reaquainted! The car: '68 1600 only 32,000 miles Starts, runs, and drive it away Pearl white paint (one blemish at fuel filler) missing chrome side trim good rockers, no rust through Black interior (good original condition) Tan softtop (good condition) original dash with only one minor crack New street rubber on nicely painted Libre (14 X 5.5) wheels electric fan, updated radio and speakers Pat's asking $5000. She's not on the list so I'm doing her the favor of posting it for her in the hope it will find a good home. This is one of the best looking midwest roadsters around. I'd buy it myself but I'm sentimentally attached to my own '68 1600. Please respond to Pat Fuller , or call (608)242-7134. Bill Wessel Madison, WI '68 1600 and GP race car From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 21:46:37 2000 From: "William Hatfield" To: "Andy Cost" , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:46:10 -0600 Subject: Re: halon v gore Hi Andy and all: I got no use for the dude either, but what I want to know is what happens when all those millions of battery cars emit all the hydrogen gas that batteries emit? Bill 66&67spls in NM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Cost" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:57 PM Subject: Re: halon v gore > At the risk of stirring up a can of worms, I would like to express my > political opinion in an attempt to sway votes. Gore, in his book, calls for > the elimination of all internal combustion engines. I want the roadster > community to know that he firmly believes all of our little cars should be > scrapped in favor of electric vehicles. A funny thing really. Where does > all the electricity come from? If you guessed fossil fueled power plants, > you are right. I'll concede that a small percentage comes from hydro and > wind power. Gore is not concerned with sound science. He wants to be the > environment's champion, and will support any opinion that projects him that > way. I will give a brief example and then feel free to flame at will. He > stated that 90% of sulfur emissions in the atmosphere came from internal > combustion engines, and called for more regulations. The truth is that 99% > of all sulfur emissions come from volcanoes. Either he didn't research > properly, intentionally told a fib, or listened to the wrong advisor. In > any case, the information was wrong. I don't want someone spreading this > type of lie deciding the fate of my roadster. > > Sorry about the OT rant, > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:01 PM > Subject: re: halon v gore > > > > In a message dated 9/25/00 1:29:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > > aavery@rica.net writes: > > > > > What? You're going to promote using and maintaining stocks of a > dangerous, > > > ozone-destroying, evil chemical such as Halon just because you want to > > > protect your old car from catastrophic fires? > > > > Just wondering what sort of evil, noxious, Gore-forbidden stuff a > smouldering > > Roadster would emit? Halon is prolly a decent trade-off over that ! > > > > Laurie :-) > > 70 SPL311 > > 69 SRL311 > > Chandler, AZ > > > > Laurie :-) > > 70 SPL311 > > 69 SRL311 > > Chandler, AZ > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 22:02:39 2000 From: "William Hatfield" To: , Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:02:38 -0600 Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel Hi all: I can't say that I've had any problem with my wooden steering wheel like Laurie has, but I suspect the problem is the finish and not the wood itself. (and it gets in the triple digits here in the summer) just my $.02. Bill 66&67spls in NM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 6:12 PM Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel > In a message dated 9/25/00 4:51:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > hoon@pixar.com writes: > > > I've seen a few roadsters out there with wooden steering wheels. What > > types are there out there for the roadsters, and what caveats should > > I be aware of when looking (i.e. easy swappable installation). > > ICK - personal preference here, but I've had many old British cars w/ wooden > steering wheels. Yes, they look classy, but I can't stand the feel !!!!! > Sweaty/sticky for long, "involved" (ie: fun/heavy cornering) drives. (A good > set of leather driving gloves may alleviate this.) If the car is left out in > the sun much they get icky really quick. Having spent most of my days in damp > WA state, I can tell ya the wet ain't much better for them either. > > Got a cheapie fine-grain leather wrap on the stock wheel on my '70 & I like > it just fine. > > "Save the trees - avoid wooden steering wheels" > (couldn't resist after the PC halon thing ) > > Laurie :-) > 70 SPL311 > 69 SRL311 > Chandler, AZ > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 22:36:40 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:39:34 -0700 Subject: Car Show, Nissan design studio in SF There is a car show, "Horses to Horsepower at Sequoia High School in Redwood City, Ca this Sunday. My son Daniel, a student at the Academy of Arts in San Francisco, and new BADROCer, white 69 1600 from Mike Young, drew up the flyers for this event. Mostly American iron, but fun. Even had Cement trucks in 49er paint schemes last year. Daniel also told me that Nissan is building a new design studio in San Francisco, that will be linked to Japan via satellite, that will be working with the Academy of Arts transportation design dept. Dan is hoping he'll get to help "design the next roadster!! " He doesn't really know what project they have in mind, but said that Nissan reps were there a few weeks ago and seemed impressed with what the school showed them. David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 22:38:39 2000 From: CarterCM@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:38:05 EDT Subject: *HIGH* TEST << Thomas Walter wrote >I used to be able to buy Toulene in a 5 gallon drum, industrial >cleaning fluid. It is also a nice octane booster. <> _____________________________ Listers, WARNING: Don't sniff Tom's exhaust...it'll get you higher than a kite! (Toluene is the solvent used in airplane glue). Craig Carter From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Mon Sep 25 22:51:37 2000 From: "Ben Zech" To: Ldino21@aol.com, hoon@pixar.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:51:03 GMT Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel >the toughest thing about the other steering wheels >is the adapters for them. It is very hard to find a Grant replacement >adapter >for the Roadsters. I got real lucky at a recent swap meet, going through a box of parts I found an original grant kit in the box complete....$1.00 BZ-RZ N.C. SPL/SRL "SEROC" motormite@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 00:31:20 2000 From: Roman rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: registry and new club Hi folks, Roman here, I just wanted to let everyone know that I've been compiling info on the registry. Have a lot of cars and some pics, but not enough. there are a lot more roadsters out there than have registered and that are on the list. here in So Cal, I see a lot of roadsters on the road that aren't on the list. The only thing I can do is keep putting out the word and hope people send in their info. One thing I have done, to try to find new blood for the registry and the list, is to start a Yahoo club. The club is called Datsun Roadsters of Ca. The link is: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/datsunroadstersofca I would like to get as many people to join as possible. It is for everyone! not just california people. The main purpose is to provide another entrance path to our wonderful wacky world. I have met many roadster owners who have never heard of the list, but they know what Yahoo is. The club site will have pics, I have some links posted,and will post more. If you sign up in the club, you can post pics, add links etc. As far as the register, I am quite excited with the new web site hosted by Mark dent!(I got a sneak preview) I am also a bit dissapointed, the current tallies indicate that roadsters are almost as rare as the Elva. I need more; Names, states, cities, cars vin #s I thank everyone who has registered, and ask those who haven't, to please do so. With your help and some new blood (from the club) maybe we'll have a registry we can be proud of, and will be worth looking at. Thanks for your support! Roman Rist ===== roadsterregistry@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 01:23:50 2000 From: Gary McCormick To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:21:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster sounds That was on the Japanese roadster club site at http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~SROC/sound.html. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > I saw an article about a New Zealand guy who sells CD's of lawnmower noises > (so you can get back at neighbors who party too much). That got me thinking > about our roadster vroom-vroom exhausts. At one time I came across a > website that had the roadster sound. Does anyone have the URL? (Or know of > a CD with our roadster noises!) I hate the Windows chimes on my PC and want > something pleasant to listen to! > > Thanks, Fred - So.SF > BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 01:41:11 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel Hi folks, Roman here with his 2 cents on wood steering wheels. Not to sound arrogant, but my line of work does make me a wood expert, so I felt like lending my expertise.(since I'm not qualified to talk about carbs, or gasoline or transmissions.....) First off, there are many companies that make a wooden wheel, Grant being one of them. Grant also, still has a kit for the wheels. I've seen it posted to the list, I'm sure the archives have the info. The problem with the wheel is the finish, and how it reacts with the PH of the perspiration of the driver. Has almost nothing to do with ambient air temp. In Montana at wintertime a wheel can be just as sticky as in Arizona in the summer time. Most wheels are finished in Polyester resin not Lacquer. the polyester is cheap and Quick, however, looks like plastic and with most people ends up being sticky. One of the problems is that it absorbs nothing! It doesn't breath. In my Guitar shop, I've made an incredible amount of money providing this one service; Stripping the finish off the neck and either Lacquering it or doing a linseed oil finish or tung oil finish. The customer complaint is always the same. "my neck feels sticky" Asthetics-wise, most wooden wheels look like crap in my opinion because of the polyester. Basically it is encased in plastic. What a horrible thing to do to a nice peice of wood. Talk about adding insult to injury. First you cut the tree down, then finish it with plastic. Might as well just get a plastic woodgrain wheel. hell, the 240z had this, didn't look bad. As you can see I'm not a fan of polyester finishes. I don't know what Nardi uses on their wood wheels, but they are pretty good...at a price. Moral of the story? If the finish looks really thick and shiny, most likely it's polyester, and most likely it will be sticky. Like I said earlier, I've made a hell of a lot of money stripping the finish off guitar necks. It's just like a steering wheel, a peice of wood with a finish on it that is in constant contact with human hands that perspire. absolute best thing with a wooden wheel, would be to strip the finish off and oil it. It would be sticky for about a month until you broke it in, but after that would feel great with a wonderful grip. OK, I'm off the soap box now. hope I entertained at least one person. Roman Rist Great guitar builder, lousy website designer ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 02:45:21 2000 From: Jaykp@aol.com To: ristguitars@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:44:35 EDT Subject: Anyone here from Hong Kong? I know that this is a long shot, but I've been here in HK for a week already, and I have another 2 weeks to go. I could sure use a little roadster distraction if there is anybody on the list from the area. Jay Williams Nashville, TN '68 SPL SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 03:16:03 2000 From: "fredkatz" To: "Gary McCormick" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:15:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Roadster sounds Gary, Thanks, that might be the site that I visited. Roman sent me a video mpg file, it's funny as hell. I created a shorter audio wav file from it and put it on my webpage: http://www.2xtreme.net/fredkatz/funrun1.html It'll take a minute to load, and then you'll hear the vroom-vroom and screeches. Click the small audio button just above the show index titles to hear it. I added a button to the right for the video file (351KB). I hope it works. Fred - So.SF BADROC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McCormick" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 12:21 AM Subject: Re: Roadster sounds > That was on the Japanese roadster club site at > http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~SROC/sound.html. > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > > > I saw an article about a New Zealand guy who sells CD's of lawnmower noises > > (so you can get back at neighbors who party too much). That got me thinking > > about our roadster vroom-vroom exhausts. At one time I came across a > > website that had the roadster sound. Does anyone have the URL? (Or know of > > a CD with our roadster noises!) I hate the Windows chimes on my PC and want > > something pleasant to listen to! > > > > Thanks, Fred - So.SF > > BADROC > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 03:34:41 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Roman Rist Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:33:20 +0200 Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel Nardi wheels are sold here for about $300 (Classico 14 inch) including adaptor. Is $300 to much for a wheel that's going into a Roadster? Silvia had a real wood steering wheel about 16 inch diameter that is very similar to a Nardi wheel but I dont think one would cost less than the Nardi if you could find one. Thomas > I don't know what Nardi uses on their wood wheels, but they are pretty > good...at a price. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 04:31:18 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Jaykp@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Anyone here from Hong Kong? Sorry, Jay you're a looong way from kansas.don't know of anyone there. got a joke for you though. This chinese couple decide to have a baby after 9 months the baby comes out with round blue eyes, blonde hair and very white skin. guess what they named her.......somtin wong.. have fun! if you find anyone get them to register Roman sunny SoCal ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 04:50:44 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Thomas the Swede Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel --- Thomas the Swede wrote: > Nardi wheels are sold here for about $300 (Classico 14 inch) > including adaptor. Is $300 to much for a wheel that's going > into a Roadster? Silvia had a real wood steering wheel about > 16 inch diameter that is very similar to a Nardi wheel but I > dont think one would cost less than the Nardi if you could > find one. Thomas, 300 bucks is nothing, I hear all you swedes are rich! Seriously, If you want one and can afford it why not? If you want a nice roadster it's gonna cost you...ask anyone who has a nice one. My 66 (the primer king) has 7 grand into it and it's not even nice yet. I'm embarrassed on every run....But it runs good, is fast and I have fun chasing Vic Laury. Roman __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 05:00:31 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: web site Hi folks Thanks to every one who humored my attempt at a website. I got lots of valuable input and learned something. until I learn more I deleted the site and threw up a new one without a photo... just text.....doesn't take 5 hrs to load. OK, thanks Roman http://www.geocities.com/ristguitars/index.html ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 06:24:07 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: registry and club Folks, I recently started a yahoo roadster club. The purpose is mainly to find people that aren't on the list. I know there are a lot more roadsters out there than are on the list. here in SoCal I see a lot of cars and meet people that have never heard of the list. with myself it took years to find the list! plenty more out there like me. While not everyone has heard of the list, hardly a soul has not heard of Yahoo. In the club, I'm putting in any roadster link I can find...and pics. The club is called; Datsun Roadsters of Ca. it is open to anyone however. The pics have 2 catagories "the california crowd" and "the other 49 states" Any one can veiw the links and access that site. But only members can veiw the pics. So far, I'm the only member. I would love for eveyone to be a member, not for posting messages,we have our list for that! But, the more members the club has the more attention it gets! For the registry new blood is most needed! the list has been great but is a finite quantity of people and cars. Current registry info shows that the beloved roadster is almost as rare as the ELVA! so,If you havn't REGISTER, check out the club and be patient the registry website hosted by Mark Dent will be here soon Thank you all Roman Rist http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/datsunroadstersofca ===== ristguitars@yahoo.com http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=379995 __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 06:34:21 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: "Marc Tyler" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:31:25 -0400 Subject: Re: PING PING 1,1,1 is a safety solvent with respect to flammability, relative to other contemporary solvents. It is restricted as an ozone depleting substance. Deliberately concentrating and inhaling fumes may impair your ability to operate machinery! ;-) Now, gasoline is a health risk we all accept without a blink. readily absorbed through the skin with all sorts of nasty petroleum distillates. My favorite comparison as a resident of New England is: If you tap the sap from a maple tree you can get maple syrup. If you tap the sap from certain pine trees you get turpintine. real nasty stuff if you read the labels. The apparent risk of some material like 1,1,1, is all a sensation, while the real risk of auto fuel or even driving is an accepted way to die. Note: Some facts are contained here, but mostly just ranting.) Regards Calvin Grandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Tyler Had the dubious honor of working > with some nasty solvents. Trichloroflourethane,111, now banned is > particularly nasty. I was told by my employer that it was "safety > solvent, safe to bathe in" > > -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 06:54:24 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:48:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Pertronics Electronic ignition systems do not require "dwell" as do point coil systems. The solid state devices allow maximum coil saturation time along with instant "Break" at the time of firing. At least in theory. Early CDI ( Capacitive discharge ignitions) were faulted for firing "too fast". They made a high voltage discharge for a very brief time. Sometimes this failed to light the mix. Could such a problem exist with these units? I feel we should take this tread to Pertronics and get a real response. I have spent my money on this unit, and will be a bit disappointed if it doesn't perform to my expectations. A brief net search yesterday did not get me a contact, only retailers. Has someone the contact information for Pertronics? regards Calvin Grandy Vermont > Hi Kyle, > > I'm not saying Pertronix can't be fast. I just want to find out how it can > be done. > > When I tune my standard points setup, I'll put the dwell at the recommended > specs and go from there. I can vary the gap thereby changing the dwell. With > Pertronics, I could not see any way to vary the dwell. > > Fred - So.SF > BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 06:58:00 2000 From: Don Miller To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: AutoX report and Roadster Sighting Victor, Quick times will come. after you become more familiar with how the car reacts and you get pasts certain mental blocks things just seem to happen. I spent a year just not getting faster and then one event everything just fell into place and, waht a difference. The person I had been losing to regularly was now 2 seconds behind me. Just takes a little time. Don Miller 69 V-6 (built to go fast so I can look fast but may not be driven fast) Meridian, ID --- "Laury, Victor" wrote: > > My times, on the other hand, have become > distressingly consistant. It seemed > that no amount of effort could improve them. > > C Stock > 63.211 > 62.270 > 63.168 > > Time only > 63.827 > 62.359 > 62.712 > > > Victor > 70 SRL 31113136 > Los Angeles > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=123073 > SoCalROC http://www.ameri-eagle.com/datsun/ __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 06:59:49 2000 From: To: dneuman@stars.sfsu.edu, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:58:50 -0500 Subject: Good Fuel Lines (con't) >>So this product is not stainless steel?? Its some cheaper copy >>with good quality rubber inards?? It seems to be of good quality rubber core, then it is wrapped with a stainless sleeve. Good looks and it feels like quality. It is called Spectre Magna-Flex Line. I used Spectre Magna-Clamps to finish it off. The average person would not know that it isn't real stainless hose with AN fittings. Good Luck. Chris Brucciani Marietta, GA 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 07:04:48 2000 From: To: kwhcpa@addler.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:03:30 -0500 Subject: Cutting SHifter >>2) does anyone have any words of wisdom on cutting a shifter? >> IMHO - the stock shifter is too long and too far forward - >> I have a spare to cut down and bend, but wonder about the >> wisdom of sectioning it versus just cutting the top off and >> rethreading it. I believe an oxyacetylene torch is my sole >> tool option here. I thought the same thing on my 240Z, so one day after a couple of soda pops I broke out the hacksaw and cut it down without too much effort. Don't know if it's the same on our Roadsters, but might be worth getting a good blade on your saw and hacking away. Good luck. Chris Brucciani 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 07:36:28 2000 From: Ross To: datsun roadsters Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:45:55 -0700 Subject: sports imports I am on my way to Moab, Utah will be back in the office October 3. Will answer all messages and emails when I get back. -- Ross Mullen SPORTS IMPORTS - your Datsun Roadster Parts House Phone: (604) 538-5615 FAX: 535-3538 Web site: http://home.istar.ca/~datsun From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 09:03:35 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "'Roman Rist'" , Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:49:25 -0500 Subject: RE: registry and club Per Roman's suggestion I joined the club. I feel this is a good idea. I heard of another Roadster here in Huntsville, Al and would like them in SEROC/List, but have not heard of SEROC or the list. I am hoping this club will get people to come out and play - it is soo much fun! It would make my day if one person sees the club and joins SEROC. I encourage everyone to take a minute and join the Yahoo club and put a picture up! Phil SEROC http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/datsunroadstersofca From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 09:20:29 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:20:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter My dad's five speed shifter has been cut and threaded. It is almost impossible to tell the difference between first, third, and fifth gear. It causes many missed shifts. Imagine autocrossing, maxing the rpm's in second, and then hitting first instead of third. It happens to me every time I drive the car. I don't think the shift lever can be bent as you described. It bolts to the tranny through a rubber grommet. If you bend the lever it will rotate side to side when you try to shift. Of course you could try to cut down the lever. It might not give you the problem it gives me, especially since you have a spare lever. Andy > >>2) does anyone have any words of wisdom on cutting a shifter? > >> IMHO - the stock shifter is too long and too far forward - > >> I have a spare to cut down and bend, but wonder about the > >> wisdom of sectioning it versus just cutting the top off and > >> rethreading it. I believe an oxyacetylene torch is my sole > >> tool option here. > > I thought the same thing on my 240Z, so one day after a couple of soda pops > I broke out the hacksaw and cut it down without too much effort. Don't know > if it's the same on our Roadsters, but might be worth getting a good blade > on your saw and hacking away. Good luck. > > Chris Brucciani > 1968 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 09:35:33 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "311" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:27:52 -0700 Subject: Alternator plug needed Hi all- mentioned this yesterday in my long-winded "back on the road" post. I need to get a set of plugs for the alternator; mine is horribly melted, and I can see that one wire from the alt no longer goes anywhere (:-0 Maybe a noble soul has a parts car out there? I need both the alternator side and the wiring harness side for a '69 2000. The alt is on the driver's side down low. Stop me before I do a 'stupid PO trick' and jimmy rig it! ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, finally back on the road - Toadster ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 09:35:40 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "311" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:31:11 -0700 Subject: 2.5" flowmaster on U20? Hey gang. My exhaust is a miserable mess, and I think I oughtta just get it redone. I'm on a pretty tight budget, so I wonder if I can use a surplus 2.5" Flowmaster a friend has lying around? (if I can convince him to part with it, that is;-) Or do you figure that big of a muffler will hurt performance and/or be too loud? I don't mind it being noisy, within reason. He had it on his 2L 510, and it bellowed pretty loudly; the car ran GREAT though, and had a nice exhaust tone. TIA ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, finally back on the road - Toadster ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 09:47:41 2000 From: Eric Frisbee To: "311" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:46:36 -0600 Subject: Re: registry and club I thought it a good idea as well to get more exposure out there... guess we'll find out soon enough! Eric WyCROC "Hall, Phillip" wrote: > > Per Roman's suggestion I joined the club. I feel this is a good > idea. I heard of another Roadster here in Huntsville, Al and would like > them in SEROC/List, but have not heard of SEROC or the list. I am hoping > this club will get people to come out and play - it is soo much fun! It > would make my day if one person sees the club and joins SEROC. I encourage > everyone to take a minute and join the Yahoo club and put a picture up! > > Phil > SEROC > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/datsunroadstersofca > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 09:59:12 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:53:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter > My dad's five speed shifter has been cut and threaded. > It is almost impossible to tell the difference between > first, third, and fifth gear. It causes many missed > shifts. Imagine autocrossing, maxing the rpm's in > second, and then hitting first instead of third. It > happens to me every time I drive the car. I don't think > the shift lever can be bent as you described. It bolts > to the tranny through a rubber grommet. If you bend the > lever it will rotate side to side when you try to > shift. Of course you could try to cut down the lever. > It might not give you the problem it gives me, > especially since you have a spare lever. > Andy Hiya Andy; How much has it been cut down? I'm planning on about a 10 degree bend right above where it bolts into the trans. I have no worry about it 'rotating' - you get the bottom nut tight enough, that shifter won't rotate a bit. (I hope;-) Why a bend? Two reasons - when in 1/3/5, the shifter is practically in contact with the choke (actually, 5th gear will disengage the choke, kind of a handy-dandy reminder to turn it off!), and the position is too far forward to be comfortable. Cutting - I'm thinking of cutting about two inches off of it to get things more precise; it also reminds me of a sailboat mast as is, aesthetics are all wrong. I cut the shifter in my 240Z down, and am very happy with the result. And you're right - having an extra rod is very heartening; if I screw up, no harm no foul;-) TTYL Kyle '69 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 10:21:20 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Roman Rist Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:18:55 +0200 Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel I have 2 Nardi steering wheels. One wood and one leather. If I was rich I would buy another car. Thomas Roman Rist wrote: > --- Thomas the Swede wrote: > > Nardi wheels are sold here for about $300 (Classico 14 inch) > > including adaptor. Is $300 to much for a wheel that's going > > into a Roadster? Silvia had a real wood steering wheel about > > 16 inch diameter that is very similar to a Nardi wheel but I > > dont think one would cost less than the Nardi if you could > > find one. > > Thomas, > 300 bucks is nothing, I hear all you swedes are rich! > > Seriously, If you want one and can afford it why not? If you want a > nice roadster it's gonna cost you...ask anyone who has a nice one. > > My 66 (the primer king) has 7 grand into it and it's not even nice yet. > I'm embarrassed on every run....But it runs good, is fast and I have > fun chasing Vic Laury. > > Roman > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 10:45:32 2000 From: "Fred Johnson" To: , , Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:43:50 -0500 Subject: Re: PING PING (Now: Solvents) Back in the old days of printed circuit board manufacturing, the photoresists used to define the circuit pattern were all solvent based, rather than aqueous based. We developed the unexposed resist with organic chlorinated solvents like "tricky" (111 trichlor); when reworking you would take a bristle brush and a tray and soak and scrub the panels. Unfortunatly the butyl gloves wouldn't hold up to the tricky and would grow to about 2 feet long! and fall off. So you'd never use gloves with the stuff. Found out eventually that this stuff goes straight to your liver. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss! Something even worse: when multilayer circuits boards came along (instead of just 1- or 2-sided ones) it was necessary to remove resin smeared over the copper internal connections in the holes. We used to use 9 parts concentrated sulfuric acid + 1 part concentrated hydrofluoric acid to remove the resin smear and to "etch" the exposed glass in the holes! We called it "tiger juice" 'cause when you'd get it on your skin the sulfuric would burn holes in it and the hydrofluoric would eat down through the flesh. It's awfully hard to neutralize, and flushing it with water makes it even worse. (Kids - don't try this at home. Hydrofluoric acid will actually remove the calcium from your bones. I understand there are some extremely unpleasant injections they make directly to/into the bones to counteract the effect). Ah, the good old days. Fred Johnson Frosty Wisconsin '69 2000 >>> Marc Tyler 09/25/00 05:46PM >>> Thomas Walter wrote >I used to be able to buy Toulene in a 5 gallon drum, industrial >cleaning fluid. It is also a nice octane booster. It is also useful as a liver remover . Had the dubious honor of working with some nasty solvents. Trichloroflourethane,111, now banned is particularly nasty. I was told by my employer that it was "safety solvent, safe to bathe in" -Marc T. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 10:47:22 2000 From: "Terry and Donna Cost" To: "Datsun Roadsters" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:20:50 -0500 Subject: ignitions, fire suppression, other stuff When and if I build my $20,000 CSP Roadster, I think I'll go with the Electromotive HPV-1. I'd put it where the battery normally sits and put the battery in the trunk. You can run foot long (or shorter) wires to good non-resistor plugs (platinum splitfires) and get all the spark you need or want. Fasten a magnetic pick-up to the crank somewhere and you've got infinitely variable timing that's adjustable for RPM ranges, etc. It would probably even run the car on cheap wine (about 12 octane, I would guess) I used to have a few old carbon tetrachloride glass containers that fit in funnel shaped holders on a wall. When a fire broke out, you threw the container at the fire, the glass would break, and the liquid would turn to a gas that snuffed out the fire, like halon. Unfortunately, a byproduct of the process was a lethal gas, I believe Fosgene. I thought Halon did the same thing under a rare set of circumstances. My solution to a car fire suppression system is to use good old water as the snuffer. Place several lawn sprinkler heads at various locations in the car, pressurize a 30 or 50 gallon drum full of water, and if the car catches on fire, pull a lever and soak the location with environmentally safe water. You could buy bottled water to fill the drum, but most drinking water is pure enough. The water won't harm the car unless you continue to drive it after it catches fire, and water enters the engine through the intake system. There is a slight weight penalty involved. Enough of this serious talk! TDROC is having it's annual New Braunfels mini-meet this Saturday at the Schumans' house. We'll meet at the Schumans', drive somewhere for lunch, swap a few lies, take a few pictures, then go home. Write me for details if you want to come. We will have our annual Fall Fling in the Rockport-Corpus Christi area October 20th and 21st. Ditto on the details for the Fall Fling. All of this Olympic stuff reminds me of when I drove a shuttle bus during the '84 Olympics in L.A. I spent a lot of time in (?on?) the parallel bars. There was a great concern about terrorists, and we took a lot of precautions. Things got a little tense when someone broke into various places and stole bus driver uniforms and a bus. We later found out they were trying to smuggle migrant workers in from Mexico. So far as exotic machinery goes, I was allowed to drive a supercharged, rear engined, $225,000 vehicle that would easily break all known speed limits. (if you had a long enough road) Leisure Suit Terry From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 11:19:42 2000 From: Doris To: John F Sandhoff Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:16:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Industrial solvents Yes, Trike is great on grease as are others. There are a bunch of nasties out there, but if any of you have M E K, please do youself a favor and take it to a hazardous waste facility. John F Sandhoff wrote: > > with some nasty solvents. Trichloroflourethane,111... > > Sure did clean greasy parts! It was so good, it made me wonder just > how evil it was... From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 11:52:49 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: lahieres@mindspring.com, Ldino21@aol.com, hoon@pixar.com, Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:51:12 EDT Subject: Re: wooden steering wheel In a message dated 9/26/00 3:07:49 AM !!!First Boot!!!, lahieres@mindspring.com writes: << What aftermaket steering wheels are available for high windshield roadsters? Does Momo or Personal make hubs to fit our cars? Is the hub the same as any other Datsuns? >> Hello, I have a very nice Momo wheel installed in my 67.5. The hub is also available from Momo. When I installed the hub I had to move the turn signal cluster alittle closer towrad the dash. Otherwise it was a perfect fit. No cutting or mods necessary. Fot eh later Roadsters there may be a difference. I heard that the hub needs to be shaved alittle in order to fit it on a 68 or later car. Pics are below... Michael "Calspeed" Carion http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=41965&Auth=false From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 11:55:04 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" , Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:50:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Car Show, Nissan design studio in SF Hi David, My younger daughter attended the Academy of Arts this past summer, mostly fashion design classes. During an open house I checked out the new car sketches that some of the beginning students created. All jelly bean cars, uninspiring. I'm glad Daniel is there as he'll show them that cars can indeed be inspiring. Go Daniel! Fred - So.SF BADROC _________________________ Reply Separator __________________________ >Subject: Car Show, Nissan design studio in SF >Author: David & Candy Pina >Date: 9/25/2000 9:39 PM > >There is a car show, "Horses to Horsepower at Sequoia High School in >Redwood City, Ca this Sunday. My son Daniel, a student at the Academy >of Arts in San Francisco, and new BADROCer, white 69 1600 from Mike >Young, drew up the flyers for this event. Mostly American iron, but >fun. Even had Cement trucks in 49er paint schemes last year. Daniel >also told me that Nissan is building a new design studio in San >Francisco, that will be linked to Japan via satellite, that will be >working with the Academy of Arts transportation design dept. Dan is >hoping he'll get to help "design the next roadster!! " He doesn't >really know what project they have in mind, but said that Nissan reps >were there a few weeks ago and seemed impressed with what the school >showed them. >David Pina > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 11:57:50 2000 From: To: lehinger@mail.fwi.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:55:59 -0500 Subject: RE: Good Fuel Lines? This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C027E3.0701ECC0 charset="iso-8859-1" My response was not very clear was it?! I did use hard lines from the gas tank to the engine bay. They come in 25' rolls from Summit. A little tricky to straighten out, but not too bad. Since I used two sizes I had to buy two rolls. I only used the braided stuff in the engine bay. Sorry for the confusion. Just the engine bay stuff could be done for around $25 - $45 depending on what you need. Chris Brucciani 1968 2000 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C027E3.0701ECC0 Content-Description: RE: Good Fuel Lines? Message-ID: <200009261745.MAA13546@mail.fwi.com> From: lehinger@mail.fwi.com To: Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com Subject: RE: Good Fuel Lines? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:42:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) charset="iso-8859-1" > My total cost was about $100. BUT - I ended up with a little bit of extra > stainless hose and I purchased 5 sets of hose clamps at something like $8 > (They are the red/blue AN lookalikes). I could have saved a good bit if I > would have bought the same size hard line for the delivery AND return lines. > Instead I bought 3/8 and 1/4. It is nice having a solid run of line from > the gas tank to the engine bay. Overall I am very pleased with the results. > >From your reply it sounds like you used this to replace the fuel feed lines from the gas tank to the engine ocmpartment. Any reason that you did not use solid line? Any approx. cost to do the engine bay hoses?? THX!! 1 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C027E3.0701ECC0-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 12:25:10 2000 From: "Calvin Grandy" To: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:21:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Industrial solvents Are you indicating that I should discontinue my use of body fillers and fiberglass polyester resins? The catalysts for each are MEK or worse MEKP. I think you over react. regards Calvin Grandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Doris Subject: Re: Industrial solvents > Yes, Trike is great on grease as are others. There are a bunch of > nasties out there, but if any of you have M E K, please do youself a > favor and take it to a hazardous waste facility. > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 12:34:31 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: kwhcpa@addler.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:33:27 EDT Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter I do not think that bending it will cause an issue. Some Datsuns (not sure which model) used a bent shifter lever that is of the same design as the Roadster one - just bent. When it is tightened down, it does not swivel as the rubber has a good grip on it. I have one such shift lever in my garage and it fits just fine. Sid >From: "Kyle Hagemann" >Reply-To: "Kyle Hagemann" >To: >Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:53:56 -0700 > > > My dad's five speed shifter has been cut and threaded. > > It is almost impossible to tell the difference between > > first, third, and fifth gear. It causes many missed > > shifts. Imagine autocrossing, maxing the rpm's in > > second, and then hitting first instead of third. It > > happens to me every time I drive the car. I don't think > > the shift lever can be bent as you described. It bolts > > to the tranny through a rubber grommet. If you bend the > > lever it will rotate side to side when you try to > > shift. Of course you could try to cut down the lever. > > It might not give you the problem it gives me, > > especially since you have a spare lever. > > Andy > >Hiya Andy; > >How much has it been cut down? > >I'm planning on about a 10 degree bend right above where it bolts >into the trans. I have no worry about it 'rotating' - you get the >bottom nut tight enough, that shifter won't rotate a bit. (I hope;-) > >Why a bend? Two reasons - when in 1/3/5, the shifter is practically >in contact with the choke (actually, 5th gear will disengage the choke, >kind of a handy-dandy reminder to turn it off!), and the position is >too far forward to be comfortable. > >Cutting - I'm thinking of cutting about two inches off of it to get >things more precise; it also reminds me of a sailboat mast as is, >aesthetics are all wrong. I cut the shifter in my 240Z down, and am >very happy with the result. > >And you're right - having an extra rod is very heartening; if I screw >up, no harm no foul;-) > >TTYL >Kyle >'69 2000 > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 13:04:13 2000 From: Ronnie Day To: "Roadster List" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:03:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter >My dad's five speed shifter has been cut and threaded. >It is almost impossible to tell the difference between >first, third, and fifth gear. It causes many missed >shifts. Imagine autocrossing, maxing the rpm's in >second, and then hitting first instead of third. It >happens to me every time I drive the car. I don't think >the shift lever can be bent as you described. It bolts >to the tranny through a rubber grommet. If you bend the >lever it will rotate side to side when you try to >shift. Of course you could try to cut down the lever. >It might not give you the problem it gives me, >especially since you have a spare lever. I've had a couple of shift levers in 4-speed 510's cut down and rethreaded and the mod works well. I'd think the best way to bend these things would be to heat the lever, bend it and then re-heat treat it. Don't remember if the the solid aluminum shift lever bushing kit offered by Motorsports for the 510 and Z will work with the Roadsters, but it does wonders for the later cars. If it won't fit or is NLA, I'd think any machine shop or person with the right equipment could duplicate the OEM rubber piece in metal. FWIW, Ron Ronnie Day ronday@home.com ------------------ Dallas/Ft. Worth ------------------ '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 14:33:13 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:32:25 +0000 Subject: Re: Industrial solvents I once used Methyl Ethyl Keytone to treat a rusty motorcycle gas tank. I did it in the bath tub. I thought my wife was going to leave me. It stun up the house for days. The gas tank is doing fine though. > Are you indicating that I should discontinue my use of body fillers and > fiberglass polyester resins? The catalysts for each are MEK or worse MEKP. > > I think you over react. > > regards > > Calvin Grandy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doris > Subject: Re: Industrial solvents > > > > Yes, Trike is great on grease as are others. There are a bunch of > > nasties out there, but if any of you have M E K, please do youself a > > favor and take it to a hazardous waste facility. > > > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 14:37:04 2000 From: Dan Neff To: list roadster Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Halon trivia... >noji wrote >>The extinguisher that I had is a old Halon unit. ... >>Is this a CFC and thus bad for the ozone? Mon, 25 Sep 2000 Marc T. replied: >That, and Halon is so effective at displacing oxygen that it can >cause the user to loose conciousness if used in a closed space. OOohhh I beg to disagree w/ Marc, based on experience.. Well, wait. I dunno what kinda Halon goes into fire extinguishers, so maybe I DON'T know what I'm talking about... But I WAS in a computer room when an O-ring exploded off of a 3000 psi Halon 130? (1302 I think) bottle valve. I was standing about 3' away at the time.. It blew me across the aisle, slammed me up against a rail, 'burned' my skin (freeze burn), and the EMT said the 'thrill' was a bit hard on my blood pressure.. But nope, I didn't lose conciousness. Quite the opposite as I recall... :) Roadster content: it's been about 2 weeks downtime w/ clutch woes. I put a new clutch in, engine's back in.. hope to have it running in a day or 2.. Man, am I going thru withdrawals, even if it did snow the other day.. Dan Neff '69 2000 Colorado Springs, Co www.wycroc.org __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 14:43:29 2000 From: Doris To: Calvin Grandy Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:36:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Industrial solvents Calvin Grandy wrote: > Are you indicating that I should discontinue my use of body fillers and > fiberglass polyester resins? The catalysts for each are MEK or worse MEKP. > > I think you over react. If that's the extreme you want to take it to Calvin go right ahead. ;-) :O) I guess it was MY bust when I posted because I was thinking of MEK in it's purity (one to fifty gallon size liquid containers) along with the sheets that I read on a particular brand at that time. It was just something I remembered being a common household and workplace item that we searched out during inspections for toxic chemicals. Most people liked to use it to clean the grease off their bodies just like Trike or Toluene. But then it's in a lot of things like your filler. Lacquer Thinner comes to mind which also has Toluene in it. How many people still clean their arms and hands with lacquer thinner? I see it quite often. All I'm saying to the uninformed of the List is wear the proper safety equipment for the product you are using if you care anything about your health and the loved ones that may be around you at the time. Whether it be impact or splash goggles, leather or chemical gloves, hardhat or ear protection, full plastic face sheild or welders shield, just wear what will keep you safe. MEK, Trich, Toluene are toxic chemicals and as with all toxic chemicals their toxicity and health hazard vary with the product they are in due to whatever formula the manufacturer is using. Just be informed of what you are using. You can search out what you want to know by product name or manufacturer to find out what health hazards exist for that particular brand. Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) apply only to the brand it was written for. A good starting place for the uninformed would be the following: http://www.ilpi.com/msds/index.html If I remember correctly, Ross had taken a co-worker in for an eye injury not to long ago. It's my understanding that he is doing well and my hope that he wears safety goggles when needed. Okay, I got off the soap box, just be safe. :O) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 15:39:23 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "sidney raper" , , Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:34:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter Sid, The early 1500s use a bent shift lever. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sidney raper To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter > I do not think that bending it will cause an issue. Some Datsuns (not sure > which model) used a bent shifter lever that is of the same design as the > Roadster one - just bent. When it is tightened down, it does not swivel as > the rubber has a good grip on it. I have one such shift lever in my garage > and it fits just fine. > > Sid > > > >From: "Kyle Hagemann" > >Reply-To: "Kyle Hagemann" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter > >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:53:56 -0700 > > > > > My dad's five speed shifter has been cut and threaded. > > > It is almost impossible to tell the difference between > > > first, third, and fifth gear. It causes many missed > > > shifts. Imagine autocrossing, maxing the rpm's in > > > second, and then hitting first instead of third. It > > > happens to me every time I drive the car. I don't think > > > the shift lever can be bent as you described. It bolts > > > to the tranny through a rubber grommet. If you bend the > > > lever it will rotate side to side when you try to > > > shift. Of course you could try to cut down the lever. > > > It might not give you the problem it gives me, > > > especially since you have a spare lever. > > > Andy > > > >Hiya Andy; > > > >How much has it been cut down? > > > >I'm planning on about a 10 degree bend right above where it bolts > >into the trans. I have no worry about it 'rotating' - you get the > >bottom nut tight enough, that shifter won't rotate a bit. (I hope;-) > > > >Why a bend? Two reasons - when in 1/3/5, the shifter is practically > >in contact with the choke (actually, 5th gear will disengage the choke, > >kind of a handy-dandy reminder to turn it off!), and the position is > >too far forward to be comfortable. > > > >Cutting - I'm thinking of cutting about two inches off of it to get > >things more precise; it also reminds me of a sailboat mast as is, > >aesthetics are all wrong. I cut the shifter in my 240Z down, and am > >very happy with the result. > > > >And you're right - having an extra rod is very heartening; if I screw > >up, no harm no foul;-) > > > >TTYL > >Kyle > >'69 2000 > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 15:39:54 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: underhood hose sizes?? > Hello All, > Oh had a movie roadster sighting at the movies last night. Was > watching the rerelease of the Excorist (I've seen it about a million times > and it just keeps getting funnier!!!!). When they are moving out of the house > the german servant is loading up the car and a brightr blue roadster with a > white hardtop cruises by on the street in the background. > Okay so I am stuck here at work till LATE tonight...but I wanna order > underhood replacement rubber hoses from Summit. Can anybody tell me what the inner > diameters of the hoses are?? I want to replace everything..radiator, fuel, > heater, carb-water hose thingys..did I miss anything??? > Thanks, > Daniel 69 2000 > SF CA > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 15:40:51 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Ronnie Day" , Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:36:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter Nismo still has the aluminum grommets for the shift lever. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronnie Day To: Roadster List Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter > >My dad's five speed shifter has been cut and threaded. > >It is almost impossible to tell the difference between > >first, third, and fifth gear. It causes many missed > >shifts. Imagine autocrossing, maxing the rpm's in > >second, and then hitting first instead of third. It > >happens to me every time I drive the car. I don't think > >the shift lever can be bent as you described. It bolts > >to the tranny through a rubber grommet. If you bend the > >lever it will rotate side to side when you try to > >shift. Of course you could try to cut down the lever. > >It might not give you the problem it gives me, > >especially since you have a spare lever. > > I've had a couple of shift levers in 4-speed 510's cut down and > rethreaded and the mod works well. I'd think the best way to bend these > things would be to heat the lever, bend it and then re-heat treat it. > > Don't remember if the the solid aluminum shift lever bushing kit offered > by Motorsports for the 510 and Z will work with the Roadsters, but it > does wonders for the later cars. If it won't fit or is NLA, I'd think any > machine shop or person with the right equipment could duplicate the OEM > rubber piece in metal. > > FWIW, > Ron > > > Ronnie Day > ronday@home.com > ------------------ > Dallas/Ft. Worth > ------------------ > '71 510 2-dr (Prepared Class Autocrosser) > '73 510 2-dr (Street Toy) > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 15:50:56 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: "Doris" , "Calvin Grandy" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:55:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Industrial solvents Doris wrote >All I'm saying to the uninformed of the List is wear the proper safety >equipment for the product you are using if you care anything about your >health >and the loved ones that may be around you at the time. > >Whether it be impact or splash goggles, leather or chemical gloves, >hardhat or >ear protection, full plastic face sheild or welders shield, just wear what >will >keep you safe. > >MEK, Trich, Toluene are toxic chemicals and as with all toxic chemicals their >toxicity and health hazard vary with the product they are in due to whatever >formula the manufacturer is using. Just be informed of what you are using. >You can search out what you want to know by product name or manufacturer to >find out what health hazards exist for that particular brand. Material >Safety >Data Sheets (MSDS) apply only to the brand it was written for. > >A good starting place for the uninformed would be the following: Thanks, Doris! Why not protect ourselves so we can enjoy our roadsters longer! Of course you can be like the guy I used to work with who used to say "Respirators are for babies!" God rest his soul. Marc T. ========================================================================== Marc Tyler TDROC 1970 1600 #SPL311-31016 1965 L-320 #L320 013642 (the misspent ute) http://datsun_marc.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Datsun_homepage.html Sisterdale TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 16:16:01 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, kwhcpa@addler.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:15:35 EDT Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter True, but the 1500 shift lever does not interchange with the 1600/2000 type unit due to the mounting. (I have a 1500) The lever that I have is made just like the 1600/2000 model except that it is bent and perhaps a bit longer. I think that it may be an early 510 piece, but I am not sure. Sid >From: "datsunmike" >To: "sidney raper" , , > >Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:34:44 -0400 > >Sid, > >The early 1500s use a bent shift lever. > >Mike >----- Original Message ----- >From: sidney raper >To: ; >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 2:33 PM >Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter > > > > I do not think that bending it will cause an issue. Some Datsuns (not >sure > > which model) used a bent shifter lever that is of the same design as the > > Roadster one - just bent. When it is tightened down, it does not swivel >as > > the rubber has a good grip on it. I have one such shift lever in my >garage > > and it fits just fine. > > > > Sid > > > > > > >From: "Kyle Hagemann" > > >Reply-To: "Kyle Hagemann" > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: Cutting Shifter > > >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:53:56 -0700 > > > > > > > My dad's five speed shifter has been cut and threaded. > > > > It is almost impossible to tell the difference between > > > > first, third, and fifth gear. It causes many missed > > > > shifts. Imagine autocrossing, maxing the rpm's in > > > > second, and then hitting first instead of third. It > > > > happens to me every time I drive the car. I don't think > > > > the shift lever can be bent as you described. It bolts > > > > to the tranny through a rubber grommet. If you bend the > > > > lever it will rotate side to side when you try to > > > > shift. Of course you could try to cut down the lever. > > > > It might not give you the problem it gives me, > > > > especially since you have a spare lever. > > > > Andy > > > > > >Hiya Andy; > > > > > >How much has it been cut down? > > > > > >I'm planning on about a 10 degree bend right above where it bolts > > >into the trans. I have no worry about it 'rotating' - you get the > > >bottom nut tight enough, that shifter won't rotate a bit. (I hope;-) > > > > > >Why a bend? Two reasons - when in 1/3/5, the shifter is practically > > >in contact with the choke (actually, 5th gear will disengage the choke, > > >kind of a handy-dandy reminder to turn it off!), and the position is > > >too far forward to be comfortable. > > > > > >Cutting - I'm thinking of cutting about two inches off of it to get > > >things more precise; it also reminds me of a sailboat mast as is, > > >aesthetics are all wrong. I cut the shifter in my 240Z down, and am > > >very happy with the result. > > > > > >And you're right - having an extra rod is very heartening; if I screw > > >up, no harm no foul;-) > > > > > >TTYL > > >Kyle > > >'69 2000 > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 16:16:44 2000 From: Stephan Sochoux To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 67.5 1600 on Yahoo Found this: http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/39911005 Has Corvette seats and wood panels/dash... stephan '69 2000 BADROC __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 16:38:18 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "William Hatfield" , Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:33:38 -0400 Subject: Re: halon v gore No Politics here but . . . The electric car myth that "electric" is good for the environment is one of the greatest hoaxes on the American public. With the state of battery development at this point in time the only cost benefit battery to be used in electric cars would be the good ol' lead acid battery. Tons and tons of lead would have to smelted and recycled to make all the batteries necessary. The entire electric transmission infrastructure would also have to be rebuilt resulting in the production of copper and steel rising steeply. The construction of many more power generating plants and on and on . . . All that happens is that the pollution is moved to another area of the country. FWIW, 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: William Hatfield To: Andy Cost ; Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:46 PM Subject: Re: halon v gore > Hi Andy and all: I got no use for the dude either, but what I want > to know is what happens when all those millions of battery cars emit > all the hydrogen gas that batteries emit? Bill 66&67spls in NM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Cost" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: halon v gore > > > > At the risk of stirring up a can of worms, I would like to express > my > > political opinion in an attempt to sway votes. Gore, in his book, > calls for > > the elimination of all internal combustion engines. I want the > roadster > > community to know that he firmly believes all of our little cars > should be > > scrapped in favor of electric vehicles. A funny thing really. > Where does > > all the electricity come from? If you guessed fossil fueled power > plants, > > you are right. I'll concede that a small percentage comes from > hydro and > > wind power. Gore is not concerned with sound science. He wants to > be the > > environment's champion, and will support any opinion that projects > him that > > way. I will give a brief example and then feel free to flame at > will. He > > stated that 90% of sulfur emissions in the atmosphere came from > internal > > combustion engines, and called for more regulations. The truth is > that 99% > > of all sulfur emissions come from volcanoes. Either he didn't > research > > properly, intentionally told a fib, or listened to the wrong > advisor. In > > any case, the information was wrong. I don't want someone spreading > this > > type of lie deciding the fate of my roadster. > > > > Sorry about the OT rant, > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:01 PM > > Subject: re: halon v gore > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/25/00 1:29:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > > > aavery@rica.net writes: > > > > > > > What? You're going to promote using and maintaining stocks of a > > dangerous, > > > > ozone-destroying, evil chemical such as Halon just because you > want to > > > > protect your old car from catastrophic fires? > > > > > > Just wondering what sort of evil, noxious, Gore-forbidden stuff a > > smouldering > > > Roadster would emit? Halon is prolly a decent trade-off over > that ! > > > > > > Laurie :-) > > > 70 SPL311 > > > 69 SRL311 > > > Chandler, AZ > > > > > > Laurie :-) > > > 70 SPL311 > > > 69 SRL311 > > > Chandler, AZ > > > > > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 16:52:15 2000 From: noji To: roadsters Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:07:25 -0700 Subject: Re: 67.5 1600 on Yahoo Stephan, Does it have wooden door panels? At first I thought that the panels may be matching the seats, but then maybe not. Contact paper over vinyl? Never the less the contrasting colors looks nice. Dana >Stephan Sochoux wrote: > > Found this: > > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/39911005 > > Has Corvette seats and wood panels/dash... > > stephan -- Dana Nojima, Ph.D. Department of Urology VA Medical Center - 112F 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 fax: (415) 750-6639 noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 16:52:32 2000 From: Leonard Sprague To: roadsters Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:52:08 -0400 Subject: 2 cars for sale found this... opinions anyone? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=445091848&r=0&t=0 -lenny '69 1600 spl311-25453 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 16:59:13 2000 From: "Laury, Victor" To: "'datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net'" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:58:25 -0700 Subject: RE: Industrial solvents I have a great tale to tell of MEK, a rag, a tall ladder, the underside of an airplane wing and me, passed out on the ground, with a large bump on my knogging, after a fifteen foot fall, out cold. The EMT told me (after I woke up) that I would have been hurt worse by the fall if I had been awake. something like "Passed out people fall like dishrags and don't get hurt as bad. I didn't care, I was hurt enough as it was. So I had a chemical hangover and a concussion all at the same time. And people wonder why I talk funny now. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 17:04:00 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Datsun Roadster List" , Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:58:59 -0400 Subject: O/T Politicians & Diapers > > Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. . . > > They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 17:20:23 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Doris Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:19:01 +0200 Subject: Re: Industrial solvents I use acetone to clean up everything. Polyester resin hardener contains nitroglycerine. Thomas Doris wrote: > Calvin Grandy wrote: > > > Are you indicating that I should discontinue my use of body fillers and > > fiberglass polyester resins? The catalysts for each are MEK or worse MEKP. > > > > I think you over react. > > If that's the extreme you want to take it to Calvin go right ahead. ;-) :O) > > I guess it was MY bust when I posted because I was thinking of MEK in it's > purity (one to fifty gallon size liquid containers) along with the sheets that > I read on a particular brand at that time. It was just something I remembered > being a common household and workplace item that we searched out during > inspections for toxic chemicals. Most people liked to use it to clean the > grease off their bodies just like Trike or Toluene. > > But then it's in a lot of things like your filler. Lacquer Thinner comes to > mind which also has Toluene in it. How many people still clean their arms and > hands with lacquer thinner? I see it quite often. > > All I'm saying to the uninformed of the List is wear the proper safety > equipment for the product you are using if you care anything about your health > and the loved ones that may be around you at the time. > > Whether it be impact or splash goggles, leather or chemical gloves, hardhat or > ear protection, full plastic face sheild or welders shield, just wear what will > keep you safe. > > MEK, Trich, Toluene are toxic chemicals and as with all toxic chemicals their > toxicity and health hazard vary with the product they are in due to whatever > formula the manufacturer is using. Just be informed of what you are using. > You can search out what you want to know by product name or manufacturer to > find out what health hazards exist for that particular brand. Material Safety > Data Sheets (MSDS) apply only to the brand it was written for. > > A good starting place for the uninformed would be the following: > > http://www.ilpi.com/msds/index.html > > If I remember correctly, Ross had taken a co-worker in for an eye injury not to > long ago. It's my understanding that he is doing well and my hope that he > wears safety goggles when needed. > > Okay, I got off the soap box, just be safe. :O) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 18:31:31 2000 From: "Dan Zubkoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:30:41 GMT Subject: Ad: Roadster For Sale Saw this ad for a roadster for Sale......... 1970 Datsun 2000 Roadster W/ roll bar, libra whells, recurved distributor, headers, lots of new chrome and much more. To view my roadster go to my homepage at: home.earthlink.net/~rcchristman 4,500.00 ....Looks nice. Dan Zubkoff San MAteo, CA _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 18:34:28 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:33:37 -0500 Subject: Re: halon v gore > No Politics here but . . . > The electric car myth that "electric" is good for the environment is one > of the greatest hoaxes on the American public. Mike, You're barking up the wrong tree on this one. You are correct that we can not go to 100% electric vehicles overnight. Not possible. California's 2003 mandate of 4% of Zero Emission Vehicles is doable (not all are electric, CNG - Compressed Natural Gas is also a ZEV vehicle). Electric vehicles are usually charged after midnight, until 6 am or so. Yep, perfect time as the Electric Utilities have a surplus of generated power at that time. Typically if there an electric vehicle program you can get the "off hour" power of 3 to 4 cents per KW/H . Not bad. Con-Edison does this one a bit more, as they have a huge reservoir at the top of a hill... at night the surplus power is used to pump water up the hill, which during the day is then allowed to flow back down hill to spin turbines generating extra power for those peak demands. Seems odd, but heck it works. As to the pollution being moved to another part of the county. Sorry, I don't buy it at all. Even the coal burning plants are extremely efficient and have massive pollutant controls on them. They are orders of magnitude cleaner than the cleanest vehicles. No cold start, sudden acceleration, leaking fuel, etc. Much easier to keep those plants running at constant temperatures, scrubbers, etc. Are electric vehicles for everybody... heck no! Is there a future for them, yes! Lots of technology that has yet to be tried, but even the series hybrid (vehicle driven by pure electric power, but has a small gas/diesel engine powering a generator) can get much better mileage as the engine is tuned to run only one rpm range for maximum efficiency. Typically we can only extract about 33% of the heating value from gasoline to be used as power moving the vehicle. You can get about 55% with a "constant speed" engine. Power stations have so many tricks, they get something like 90% of the energy out of the fuel, meaning about 75% by the time it makes it to your electric vehicle. Not all my numbers are on the high side for "best in class". Sigh, I really disagree with Clinton & Gore on their conservation policies. Don't get me started on Gore, alas I also horrified by Bush's policies in Texas (oil companies love running refineries here for a reason... then again I like to breath clean air, but there are some parts of Texas that I can not go near! Sigh). I sat in one of the CARB (California Air Resource Board) Meetings about the 2003 mandates earlier this year in Sacramento. It was quite interesting to hear the other folks in the audience. Even better was that I was sitting between folks from Con Edision (Electric Power producer in Southern California) and some big oil lobbyist next to me. It was interesting. Cheers, Tom Walter Austin, TX From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 18:45:28 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:44:28 EDT Subject: Re: Ad: Roadster For Sale In a message dated 9/27/00 12:33:13 AM !!!First Boot!!!, datsun65@hotmail.com writes: << home.earthlink.net/~rcchristman >> Hello, Is this person from our Roadster List? I seem to remember the name but am not quite sure. The first name wouldn't happen to be Randy would it? Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 18:47:54 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: datsun65@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:47:00 EDT Subject: Re: Ad: Roadster For Sale Unless I am mistaken, this is Randy's car (Of the Save Randy's Roadster fund fame) >From: "Dan Zubkoff" >Reply-To: "Dan Zubkoff" >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Ad: Roadster For Sale >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:30:41 GMT > >Saw this ad for a roadster for Sale......... > >1970 Datsun 2000 Roadster W/ roll bar, libra whells, recurved distributor, >headers, lots of new chrome and much more. To view my roadster go to my >homepage at: home.earthlink.net/~rcchristman > >4,500.00 > >....Looks nice. > >Dan Zubkoff >San MAteo, CA >_________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 19:24:32 2000 From: SRL311KA@aol.com To: andycost@att.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:23:25 EDT Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter While I'm not using a roadster trans, I'm real happy with my shift lever after not only cutting it down but bending it sideways so it "falls readily to hand." Bill Kenyon SRL311 KA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 20:34:04 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:32:53 EDT Subject: Re: 2 cars for sale I am sure that roadsters are the same size, But one of these looks smaller than the other???? trick photography? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=445091848&r= 0&t=0 Larry 2000-69 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 21:14:07 2000 From: Doris To: sidney raper Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:11:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Ad: Roadster For Sale Well, at least we now can see the car we helped save. sidney raper wrote: > Unless I am mistaken, this is Randy's car (Of the Save Randy's Roadster fund > fame) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 21:35:39 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:37:46 -0700 Subject: BADROCrs Compression tester Do any of you have a compression tester I can borrow? David Pina From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Tue Sep 26 21:38:17 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: Dat2000srl@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:37:14 EDT Subject: Re: 2 cars for sale It is the angle of the shot, the fact that one car is further back, the top is down, and it appears that the tires are low/flat on one. Or so I would guess. Sid >From: Dat2000srl@aol.com >Reply-To: Dat2000srl@aol.com >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: 2 cars for sale >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:32:53 EDT > >I am sure that roadsters are the same size, But one of these looks smaller >than the other???? trick photography? >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=445091848&r= > >0&t=0 > >Larry >2000-69 _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 01:01:48 2000 From: Dan Neuman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:06:58 -0700 Subject: Seat Foam Hello All, Well I am dying to get my seats redone. I dont want to be the ONLY roadsterite with cheesy fake sheepskin seat covers hiding trashed seats. The foam in my seats are totally shot. bottom and top looks like rats have been eating them. Here's my question one of the Z places is selling replacement seat foam for z seats. Are roadster seats and Z seats the same?? Daniel 69 2000 SF CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 10:36:52 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:33:12 -0700 Subject: Re: 2.5" flowmaster on U20? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:20 AM Subject: Re: 2.5" flowmaster on U20? > A 2.5 flowmaster will be real loud on a roadster, and you will have to > spend some money on reducers and stuff, as 2 inch is as big as will go through > the frame. I got a 2 inch system with 2 glasspacks, good ones that are 2 inch > all the way though, and sounds about right, not quite "cop loud". > Whole system was $103, but I also added CDM stainless steel braided flex $40 > btwn manifold and pipe. This saves the manifold or header and keeps exhaust from > rattling. > Best Regards, > Jim > Chesapeake Va > 67 pushrod 2L > 72 510 wagon Thanks Jim, I was wondering about the wisdom of a muffler that big; As an aside, would it be worth the effort to go 2.25"? If the exhaust shop was to bend the tubing in such a way as to squeeze thru the frame? Or is 2" big enough? Here's why I ask - from my short stint on the 510 list, I gathered that 2.25" was good for a fairly hot L4; a good barometer of L4 hotness was the carbs - 38mm SUs, DGV, or stock should get 2" pipe; another useful indicator was displacement - 2L+ or under 2L. So here we have a 2L four cylinder, with 46mm carbs, big ports, etc. Sounds like if it were a L-series in a 510 or whatever, 2.25" would be the way to go. But I know that bigger isn't always better, and don't want to overkill. Thoughts? Kyle '69 2000/U20 (2") '71 PL521/LZ22 (2") '72 240Z/L28 (2.5") From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 11:03:59 2000 From: "Dziuba, Larry" To: "'datsunmike'" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:07:33 -0600 Subject: RE: O/T Politicians & Diapers Since we're talking about diapers here..... A comedian once questioned "why do people want to sleep like a baby? Don't they wake up crying every two hours with a load in their pants"? This second part of this too could apply to politicians. Larry. -----Original Message----- From: datsunmike [mailto:datsunmike@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:59 PM To: Datsun Roadster List; Annette - work; Bones; Dawn Subject: O/T Politicians & Diapers > > Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. . . > > They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 11:04:00 2000 From: "The Belgian Roadster" To: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:07:36 +0200 Subject: Hi List, Nissan has an engine called H20 (used on a light weight truck), that looks similar to our U20. Anyone knows what internal and external engine parts can be used with our U20 Regards, Chris-The Belgian Roadster From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 11:19:32 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rad Hose i.d. Hello All, I measured the inner diameter of the rad hose last night. 68 U-20 and it appears to be either 1 1/4 " or 1 3/8". Does anybody know for sure? It also looks like the inner diameter of the water hoses and PCV hose is 5/8"? Daniel 69 2000 SF CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 11:34:37 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: "The Belgian Roadster" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:33:36 -0700 Subject: Re: H20 Chris asks: > Nissan has an engine called H20 (used on a light weight truck), that > looks similar to our U20. The H20 is, here in the states, a forklift engine. It's basically a 3-main U20. While Nissan specs it as a low-RPM engine, several Roadsters have H20-based engines in them and reportedly run fine. It requires the H20 crank but I believe all the other U20 parts (rods, pistons, chains...) swap right over. I'm not an H20 authority. My suspicion, though, is if you have H20 parts and want to put them in a U20, you may want to reconsider. If the parts aren't identical, I would imagine the U20 parts are heftier. That is, unless the part number is identical, a U20 piston is going to be stouter than an H20 piston. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 12:10:13 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "'John F Sandhoff'" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:10:49 -0500 Subject: RE: H20 I may be thinking of another motor, but isn't the H20 a R16 with the 5 main crank and rods from a U20 and runs a dish piston to keep compression down. Please correct if wrong. Phil -----Original Message----- From: John F Sandhoff [SMTP:sandhoff@csus.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 12:34 PM To: The Belgian Roadster Cc: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: H20 Chris asks: > Nissan has an engine called H20 (used on a light weight truck), that > looks similar to our U20. The H20 is, here in the states, a forklift engine. It's basically a 3-main U20. While Nissan specs it as a low-RPM engine, several Roadsters have H20-based engines in them and reportedly run fine. It requires the H20 crank but I believe all the other U20 parts (rods, pistons, chains...) swap right over. I'm not an H20 authority. My suspicion, though, is if you have H20 parts and want to put them in a U20, you may want to reconsider. If the parts aren't identical, I would imagine the U20 parts are heftier. That is, unless the part number is identical, a U20 piston is going to be stouter than an H20 piston. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 12:14:57 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:16:05 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers This gives me an idea. How about car diapers! I've got this little leak on one of my roadsters, that makes little deposits on the garage floor. Maybe an extra large Pampers slung under the drivetrain is the way to prevent that! Fred - So.SF ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: RE: O/T Politicians & Diapers >Author: "Dziuba; Larry" >Date: 9/27/2000 11:07 AM > >Since we're talking about diapers here..... A comedian once >questioned "why do people want to sleep like a baby? Don't >they wake up crying every two hours with a load in their >pants"? This second part of this too could apply to >politicians. Larry. > >-----Original Message----- >From: datsunmike [mailto:datsunmike@nyc.rr.com] Sent: >Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:59 PM >To: Datsun Roadster List; Annette - work; Bones; Dawn >Subject: O/T Politicians & Diapers > >> >> Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. . . > >> They should both be changed regularly and for the same >reason. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 12:35:50 2000 From: "Dan and Louise Yates" To: , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:32:34 -0600 Subject: Re: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers My Dad's neighbour used to use "feminine protection" to catch a persistent oil drip on his truck. Changed the pad when he changed the oil. I think he felt fresher and more secure as well. Dan Yates ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Datsun Roadster List Sent: September 27, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers > This gives me an idea. How about car diapers! I've got this little leak on > one of my roadsters, that makes little deposits on the garage floor. Maybe > an extra large Pampers slung under the drivetrain is the way to prevent > that! > > Fred - So.SF > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > >Subject: RE: O/T Politicians & Diapers > >Author: "Dziuba; Larry" > >Date: 9/27/2000 11:07 AM > > > >Since we're talking about diapers here..... A comedian once > >questioned "why do people want to sleep like a baby? Don't > >they wake up crying every two hours with a load in their > >pants"? This second part of this too could apply to > >politicians. Larry. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: datsunmike [mailto:datsunmike@nyc.rr.com] Sent: > >Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:59 PM > >To: Datsun Roadster List; Annette - work; Bones; Dawn > >Subject: O/T Politicians & Diapers > > > >> > >> Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. . . > > >> They should both be changed regularly and for the same > >reason. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 12:46:55 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:46:00 -0500 Subject: SEROC at Road Atlanta! Hey all - I just got off the phone with HSR, organizers for the Historical Race at Road Atlanta October 20 -22nd. We will have a spot in the infield to show our Roadsters with a discount of $5.00 off the emission price. You must show up in your Roadster by 10:45 Sunday to participate in the parade laps. In their words "you must have your collectors car (Roadster) to get into the infield - so no chevy sedans". This promises to be a great weekend of racing with approx. 300 cars showing up and hopefully at least 10 Roadsters! You can get information on lodging, eats and others stuff at Road Atlanta at www.roadatlanta.com SEROC welcomes all to come for this wonderful weekend!! Let me know if you need more information or to set up a caravan. Calspeed you can start a caravan from CA:-) Phil SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 12:48:36 2000 From: "Dziuba, Larry" To: "'Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us'" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:51:21 -0600 Subject: RE: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers The trick would then be how to get your car to go "wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"!!! so your wife would change it every so often. Larry. -----Original Message----- From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us [mailto:Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 12:16 PM To: Datsun Roadster List Subject: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers This gives me an idea. How about car diapers! I've got this little leak on one of my roadsters, that makes little deposits on the garage floor. Maybe an extra large Pampers slung under the drivetrain is the way to prevent that! Fred - So.SF ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: RE: O/T Politicians & Diapers >Author: "Dziuba; Larry" >Date: 9/27/2000 11:07 AM > >Since we're talking about diapers here..... A comedian once >questioned "why do people want to sleep like a baby? Don't >they wake up crying every two hours with a load in their >pants"? This second part of this too could apply to >politicians. Larry. > >-----Original Message----- >From: datsunmike [mailto:datsunmike@nyc.rr.com] Sent: >Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:59 PM >To: Datsun Roadster List; Annette - work; Bones; Dawn >Subject: O/T Politicians & Diapers > >> >> Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. . . > >> They should both be changed regularly and for the same >reason. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 13:08:12 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:05:01 -0500 Subject: Re: H20 engines Chris, The H20 engine is a 2000cc OHV motor. Just like the R16 in our roadsters, but with the stroked crank running U20 connecting rods and pistons. As a forklift they are limited to 1500 rpm by the use of very weak valve springs. Apparently with new valve springs, they will run quite happy up to 6,500 rpm red line! Quite a few of the engines have found their ways into roadsters in the USA. The only source of the engines here is from Fork Lifts (Nissan Industrial). In Australia the H20 is used in a small truck and van of some sort, which I have never seen. So they have a better source of engines. Irony... when I had matched up a molded lower radiator hose for my 2000, the source as a "nissan forklift". It was a GATES hose that a friend in a auto parts place matched up at the warehouse without knowing what it was from. . Sorry, I don't have the part number off hand... hose is sitting in my old '67 2000, which I no longer have. Cheers, Tom Walter '68 2000 Austin, TX The Belgian Roadster wrote: > > Hi List, > Nissan has an engine called H20 (used on a light weight truck), that > looks similar to our U20. > Anyone knows what internal and external engine parts can be used with > our U20 > Regards, > Chris-The Belgian Roadster From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 13:12:36 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:11:22 EDT Subject: Re: Rad Hose i.d. In a message dated 9/27/00 10:22:32 AM US Mountain Standard Time, dneuman@stars.sfsu.edu writes: > I measured the inner diameter of the rad hose last night. 68 U-20 > and it appears to be either 1 1/4 " or 1 3/8". Does anybody know for sure? Gee, uh, measure the OUTER dia of the connections! Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 13:14:12 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: "Datsun Roadster List" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:05:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Diapers (was politicians) Great idea, my Blondie needs to get fresher! Kinda embarassing to park in my mom-in-laws garage and to leave something behind. This will be a time-saver - I couldn't believe all the filth under the chassis last time I pressure-washed it clean. With the "feminine protection" won't have to do as much cleaning. Just gotta be sure to explain ahead of time to the wife about the supply of pads that will be with the car. Fred ____________________ Reply Separator __________________________ >Subject: Re: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers >Author: "Dan and Louise Yates" >Date: 9/27/2000 12:32 PM > >My Dad's neighbour used to use "feminine protection" to catch a persistent >oil drip on his truck. Changed the pad when he changed the oil. I think he >felt fresher and more secure as well. > >Dan Yates >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Datsun Roadster List >Sent: September 27, 2000 12:16 PM >Subject: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers > >> This gives me an idea. How about car diapers! I've got this little leak >>on one of my roadsters, that makes little deposits on the garage floor. >>Maybe an extra large Pampers slung under the drivetrain is the way to >>prevent that! >> >> Fred - So.SF >> >> >Subject: RE: O/T Politicians & Diapers >> >Author: "Dziuba; Larry" >> >Date: 9/27/2000 11:07 AM >> > >> >Since we're talking about diapers here..... A comedian once >> >questioned "why do people want to sleep like a baby? Don't >> >they wake up crying every two hours with a load in their >> >pants"? This second part of this too could apply to >> >politicians. Larry. >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: datsunmike [mailto:datsunmike@nyc.rr.com] Sent: >> >Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:59 PM >> >To: Datsun Roadster List; Annette - work; Bones; Dawn >> >Subject: O/T Politicians & Diapers >> > >> >> >> >> Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. . . >> >> They should both be changed regularly and for the same >> >reason. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 13:17:11 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:15:58 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers In a message dated 9/27/00 11:38:01 AM US Mountain Standard Time, yates@sk.sympatico.ca writes: > My Dad's neighbour used to use "feminine protection" to catch a persistent > oil drip on his truck. Changed the pad when he changed the oil. I think he > felt fresher and more secure as well. I remember all the MX racers keeping a stock of those in their toolboxes - not only great for oil, but useful in emergency first aid kits. ( picturing 1/2 doz little white cotton wads stuck in various places all over the garage floor - it's just too silly !!!) Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 13:17:14 2000 From: "Dziuba, Larry" To: "'Dan and Louise Yates'" , Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:18:44 -0600 Subject: RE: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers He will have to be careful not to put anything on with wings or next he'll need a spoiler to keep her on the ground. Larry. -----Original Message----- From: Dan and Louise Yates [mailto:yates@sk.sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 12:33 PM To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us; Datsun Roadster List Subject: Re: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers My Dad's neighbour used to use "feminine protection" to catch a persistent oil drip on his truck. Changed the pad when he changed the oil. I think he felt fresher and more secure as well. Dan Yates ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Datsun Roadster List Sent: September 27, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers > This gives me an idea. How about car diapers! I've got this little leak on > one of my roadsters, that makes little deposits on the garage floor. Maybe > an extra large Pampers slung under the drivetrain is the way to prevent > that! > > Fred - So.SF > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > >Subject: RE: O/T Politicians & Diapers > >Author: "Dziuba; Larry" > >Date: 9/27/2000 11:07 AM > > > >Since we're talking about diapers here..... A comedian once > >questioned "why do people want to sleep like a baby? Don't > >they wake up crying every two hours with a load in their > >pants"? This second part of this too could apply to > >politicians. Larry. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: datsunmike [mailto:datsunmike@nyc.rr.com] Sent: > >Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:59 PM > >To: Datsun Roadster List; Annette - work; Bones; Dawn > >Subject: O/T Politicians & Diapers > > > >> > >> Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. . . > > >> They should both be changed regularly and for the same > >reason. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 13:28:12 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:27:06 EDT Subject: A couple questions What type of grease is supposed to be used on the front suspension. I have been using wheel bearing grease (kinda a brownish color) and its been working fine but I dont know if that is what is recommended. 2nd question,on my wifes 67 1600 when the headlights are on and you use the turn signal the brights flicker on. Is this switch rebuildable or repairable,is this common with this switch and are they still avail. if I cannot fix it. Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 13:37:03 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: kwhcpa@addler.net, HIGHKIX4@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:35:23 EDT Subject: Re: 2.5" flowmaster on U20? While I can't add to the discussion on the tube diameters, I have a question. Does anyone have the exhaust tip from a late roadster laying around that they could measure? What I want to know is the length of the "bugle", the diameter at the resonator and the diameter at the end of the tip. Thanks! Sid >From: "Kyle Hagemann" >Reply-To: "Kyle Hagemann" >To: >CC: "311" >Subject: Re: 2.5" flowmaster on U20? >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:33:12 -0700 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:20 AM >Subject: Re: 2.5" flowmaster on U20? > > > A 2.5 flowmaster will be real loud on a roadster, and you will have to > > spend some money on reducers and stuff, as 2 inch is as big as will go >through > > the frame. I got a 2 inch system with 2 glasspacks, good ones that are >2 inch > > all the way though, and sounds about right, not quite "cop loud". > > Whole system was $103, but I also added CDM stainless steel braided flex >$40 > > btwn manifold and pipe. This saves the manifold or header and keeps >exhaust >from > > rattling. > > Best Regards, > > Jim > > Chesapeake Va > > 67 pushrod 2L > > 72 510 wagon > > >Thanks Jim, I was wondering about the wisdom of a muffler that >big; > >As an aside, would it be worth the effort to go 2.25"? If the >exhaust shop was to bend the tubing in such a way as to >squeeze thru the frame? Or is 2" big enough? > >Here's why I ask - from my short stint on the 510 list, I gathered >that 2.25" was good for a fairly hot L4; a good barometer of L4 >hotness was the carbs - 38mm SUs, DGV, or stock should get 2" >pipe; another useful indicator was displacement - 2L+ or under 2L. > >So here we have a 2L four cylinder, with 46mm carbs, big ports, >etc. Sounds like if it were a L-series in a 510 or whatever, 2.25" >would be the way to go. > >But I know that bigger isn't always better, and don't want to overkill. > >Thoughts? > >Kyle >'69 2000/U20 (2") >'71 PL521/LZ22 (2") >'72 240Z/L28 (2.5") > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 13:41:16 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: sandhoff@csus.edu, chriss@euregio.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:40:40 EDT Subject: Re: H20 Why would the U20 piston be stronger? I would guess that they would be the same strength. Sid >From: "John F Sandhoff" >Reply-To: "John F Sandhoff" >To: "The Belgian Roadster" >CC: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: H20 >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:33:36 -0700 > >Chris asks: > > Nissan has an engine called H20 (used on a light weight truck), that > > looks similar to our U20. > >The H20 is, here in the states, a forklift engine. It's basically a >3-main U20. While Nissan specs it as a low-RPM engine, several >Roadsters have H20-based engines in them and reportedly run fine. >It requires the H20 crank but I believe all the other U20 parts (rods, >pistons, chains...) swap right over. > >I'm not an H20 authority. My suspicion, though, is if you have H20 parts >and want to put them in a U20, you may want to reconsider. If the parts >aren't identical, I would imagine the U20 parts are heftier. That is, >unless >the part number is identical, a U20 piston is going to be stouter than an >H20 piston. > >-- John > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 13:57:00 2000 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: "Hall, Phillip" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:55:37 -0700 Subject: RE: H20 Believe Philip and Tom, not me! The H20 is an R-style, not U-style! > ...isn't the H20 a R16...? -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 14:09:39 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "sidney raper" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:06:57 -0700 Subject: Re: 2000 Exhaust (was 2.5" flowmaster on U20?) > While I can't add to the discussion on the tube diameters, I have a > question. Does anyone have the exhaust tip from a late roadster laying > around that they could measure? What I want to know is the length of the > "bugle", the diameter at the resonator and the diameter at the end of the > tip. > > Thanks! > > Sid Hiya Sid, list; it turns out that the 'free' Flowmaster I thought was in inventory has gone on to parts unknown; so anyone waiting to hear about the installation, you gonna hafta keep waiting;-) I'll put off the new exhaust for the time being. I would still like to hear recommendations about 2" versus 2.25"; as well as muffler placement under the floor versus behind the axle. Personal experience is that moving the muffler forward (IOW, a longer tailpipe) reduces noise notably, but I don't know about performance differences. Also, looking at the U20 from a spec's standpoint, it seems like 2.25" would be a better choice than 2". I too would be interested in knowing the dimensions of the factory 2L tip, so a reasonably similar replacement can be fitted. To add to Sid's request - a measurement of how far the tip should stick out the back would be helpful. Thanks gang! Kyle '69 2000, noisy as heck! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 14:54:16 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: John F Sandhoff Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:52:39 +0200 Subject: Re: H20 The H20 and 5-main R16 is the same except for the crank? The stroke is longer. The difference is between the U20 and H20 is the cylinder head, cam drive and the block casting on the valve lifter side? The crank, rods and pistons, oil pan and so on is the same between U20 and H20? Small details like camshaft duration and compression ratio excluded from the comparision. Thomas John F Sandhoff wrote: > Believe Philip and Tom, not me! > The H20 is an R-style, not U-style! > > > ...isn't the H20 a R16...? > > -- John > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 15:19:41 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Kyle Hagemann Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:18:24 +0200 Subject: Re: 2000 Exhaust (was 2.5" flowmaster on U20?) In general terms of designing an exhaust system the following basic guidelines are used. The largest muffler should be in the rear because it will make the system less loud. If you only use one muffler it should be in the rear. For a 150 hp/2 valve engine there are no gains by using a 2.5 inch pipe size except noise. After the exhaust manifold header, use a short piece of 2 inch pipe (4-6 inches) and go up to 2.25 inch if you want to use the 2.25 inch pipes. Use the largest straight through design muffler you can fit. A Flowmaster is not a straight through design. If you are using 2 mufflers they should be different in size and/or shape. Larger diameter pipes gives a deeper exhaust note. Some like to use 2.5 inch pipes anyway but instead the mufflers are reduced to 2 inches inside to cut down on the noise. The end tip should not end before the rear bumper or it will make more noise inside the car. There basic guidelines are correct in 95% of all applications. Thomas Kyle Hagemann wrote: > Hiya Sid, list; > > it turns out that the 'free' Flowmaster I thought was in inventory has gone > on to parts unknown; so anyone waiting to hear about the installation, you > gonna hafta keep waiting;-) > > I'll put off the new exhaust for the time being. I would still like to hear > recommendations about 2" versus 2.25"; as well as muffler placement under > the floor versus behind the axle. Personal experience is that moving the > muffler forward (IOW, a longer tailpipe) reduces noise notably, but I don't > know about performance differences. Also, looking at the U20 from a spec's > standpoint, it seems like 2.25" would be a better choice than 2". > > I too would be interested in knowing the dimensions of the factory 2L tip, > so a reasonably similar replacement can be fitted. To add to Sid's request - > a measurement of how far the tip should stick out the back would be helpful. > > Thanks gang! > > Kyle > '69 2000, noisy as heck! From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 15:37:48 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "The Belgian Roadster" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:32:37 -0400 Subject: Re: It's an R engine with U20 crank!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: The Belgian Roadster To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:07 PM > Hi List, > Nissan has an engine called H20 (used on a light weight truck), that > looks similar to our U20. > Anyone knows what internal and external engine parts can be used with > our U20 > Regards, > Chris-The Belgian Roadster > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 15:38:56 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "John F Sandhoff" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:34:29 -0400 Subject: Re: H20 The 3 main 2L is a C19 from a Cedric so I've been told. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John F Sandhoff To: The Belgian Roadster Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:33 PM Subject: Re: H20 > Chris asks: > > Nissan has an engine called H20 (used on a light weight truck), that > > looks similar to our U20. > > The H20 is, here in the states, a forklift engine. It's basically a > 3-main U20. While Nissan specs it as a low-RPM engine, several > Roadsters have H20-based engines in them and reportedly run fine. > It requires the H20 crank but I believe all the other U20 parts (rods, > pistons, chains...) swap right over. > > I'm not an H20 authority. My suspicion, though, is if you have H20 parts > and want to put them in a U20, you may want to reconsider. If the parts > aren't identical, I would imagine the U20 parts are heftier. That is, unless > the part number is identical, a U20 piston is going to be stouter than an > H20 piston. > > -- John > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 15:48:17 2000 From: Dan Neff To: list roadster Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Clutch woes... FIXED! A couple of folks had asked for an update on my clutch woes, so I thought I'd subject you all to an update :) Recap: daily driver, I put the last 30k miles on it. Got in it one night, and the clutch wouldn't disengage. I replaced the clutch master, slave, hose, and flushed. Nada. I discovered that I _could_ get the clutch to disengage by grabbing the clutch fork and yanking it around a bit. Not only would it disengage, but it would run/shift fine for the duration of a ride! I shut engine off, then it wouldn't disengage again! So, we pulled the engine to do a clutch job. The only likely candidate: A spring fell off the disc when bellhousing was disassembled (pretty expensive spring job!!). Other observations: there's some kinda spring (retainer?) holding the clutch fork onto the throwout bearing.. completely MISSING. Well, I guess I didn't need it too bad?! But we put a new (used) one back on. Clutch disc wasn't particularly worn, but was pretty glazed (I'm SURE the p.o. did that, not me!). clutch pedal clevis pin was worn almost 1/2 way through(!) (I got another one of those). Runs fine now!! I'm still getting used to the most excellent (ZTherapy) carbs I put on 2 days prior to clutch failure, so I'm still distracted by the performance improvement to notice any HUGE difference in clutch operation. Nice (71 degree) day to get it back on the road though!! Kinda hard to work, mind you... Many thanks to the roadster 'community' for all the help and parts getting back on the road: Eric Frisbee, Mike Koken, Don Morrell, Laurie (for the Beck/Arnley xref on the web). dan neff '69 2000 colorado springs, co www.wycroc.org __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 15:58:38 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: kwhcpa@addler.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:58:03 EDT Subject: Re: 2000 Exhaust (was 2.5" flowmaster on U20?) Kyle and all, I saw an advertisement for a "Megs" tip that looks like it may be close (that is why I asked for the dimensions.) The plus is that it is stainless steel and highly polished so the concern of chrome flaking off would not be an issue. As soon as I get dimensions, I will let all know what I find. Sid >From: "Kyle Hagemann" >To: "sidney raper" >CC: >Subject: Re: 2000 Exhaust (was 2.5" flowmaster on U20?) >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:06:57 -0700 > > > While I can't add to the discussion on the tube diameters, I have a > > question. Does anyone have the exhaust tip from a late roadster laying > > around that they could measure? What I want to know is the length of >the > > "bugle", the diameter at the resonator and the diameter at the end of >the > > tip. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Sid > >Hiya Sid, list; > >it turns out that the 'free' Flowmaster I thought was in inventory has gone >on to parts unknown; so anyone waiting to hear about the installation, you >gonna hafta keep waiting;-) > >I'll put off the new exhaust for the time being. I would still like to >hear >recommendations about 2" versus 2.25"; as well as muffler placement under >the floor versus behind the axle. Personal experience is that moving the >muffler forward (IOW, a longer tailpipe) reduces noise notably, but I don't >know about performance differences. Also, looking at the U20 from a spec's >standpoint, it seems like 2.25" would be a better choice than 2". > >I too would be interested in knowing the dimensions of the factory 2L tip, >so a reasonably similar replacement can be fitted. To add to Sid's request >- >a measurement of how far the tip should stick out the back would be >helpful. > >Thanks gang! > >Kyle >'69 2000, noisy as heck! > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 16:39:04 2000 From: David & Candy Pina To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:41:35 -0700 Subject: politicians and diapers OT I couldn't resist forwarding this is view of this topic David Pina > > > > Ham Sandwich > > > > > This is a true story. If you have children you > > > > > will probably relate to this father. The names > > > > > have been changed to protect the dignity of the > > > > > father... > > > > > As ham sandwiches go, it was perfection. A thick > > > > > slab of ham, a fresh bun, crisp lettuce and > > > > > plenty of expensive, light brown, gourmet > > > > > mustard. > > > > > > > > > > The corners of my jaw aching in anticipation, I > > > > > carried it to the picnic table in our backyard, > > > > > picked it up with both hands but was stopped by > > > > > my wife suddenly at my side. > > > > > > > > > > "Hold Johnny (our six-week-old son) while I get > > > > > my sandwich," she said. > > > > > > > > > > I had him balanced between my left elbow and > > > > > shoulder and was reaching again for the ham > > > > > sandwich when I noticed a streak of mustard > > > > > on my fingers. > > > > > > > > > > I love mustard. > > > > > > > > > > I had no napkin. > > > > > > > > > > I licked it off. > > > > > > > > > > It was not mustard. > > > > > > > > > > No man ever put a baby down faster. It was the > > > > > first and only time I have sprinted with my > > > > > tongue protruding. With a washcloth in each > > > > > hand I did the sort of routine shoeshine boys > > > > > do, only I did it on my tongue. > > > > > > > > > > Later (after she stopped crying from laughing > > > > > so hard) my wife said, "Now you know why they > > > > > call that mustard 'Poupon.'" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 16:40:56 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Hall, Phillip" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:36:07 -0400 Subject: Re: SEROC at Road Atlanta! Phil wrote: > Hey all . . . We will have a spot in the infield to show > our Roadsters with a discount of $5.00 off the "emission" price. Are they gonna stick something up your pipes???????? 66 Mike From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 16:47:22 2000 From: "Robert Long" To: , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:46:08 -0600 Subject: Re: A couple questions -----Original Message----- From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: A couple questions 2nd question,on my wifes 67 1600 when the headlights are on and you use the >turn signal the brights flicker on. Is this switch rebuildable or >repairable,is this common with this switch and are they still avail. if I >cannot fix it. > > > > Ken >DATSTER Ken, I was having the same problem with my 67.5 1600, and I traced to that little copper piece in the steering wheel assembly, which triggers the brights. It may need to be cleaned or re-bent. HTH...Robert - 67.5 1600 - Abq From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 16:58:33 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Daniel Neuman" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:54:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Rad Hose i.d. ID is 1/2" and 1-3/8" ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Neuman To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:19 PM Subject: Rad Hose i.d. > Hello All, > I measured the inner diameter of the rad hose last night. 68 U-20 > and it appears to be either 1 1/4 " or 1 3/8". Does anybody know for sure? > It also looks like the inner diameter of the water hoses and PCV hose is 5/8"? > Daniel 69 2000 > SF CA > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 17:00:50 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Dziuba, Larry" , , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:55:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers Larry, That's very un-PC. Now go to your room young man - you're grounded!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dziuba, Larry To: ; Datsun Roadster List Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 2:51 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers > The trick would then be how to get your car to go "wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"!!! > so your wife would change it every so often. Larry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us [mailto:Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us] > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 12:16 PM > To: Datsun Roadster List > Subject: Re[2]: O/T Politicians & Diapers > > > This gives me an idea. How about car diapers! I've got this little leak on > one of my roadsters, that makes little deposits on the garage floor. Maybe > an extra large Pampers slung under the drivetrain is the way to prevent > that! > > Fred - So.SF > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > >Subject: RE: O/T Politicians & Diapers > >Author: "Dziuba; Larry" > >Date: 9/27/2000 11:07 AM > > > >Since we're talking about diapers here..... A comedian once > >questioned "why do people want to sleep like a baby? Don't > >they wake up crying every two hours with a load in their > >pants"? This second part of this too could apply to > >politicians. Larry. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: datsunmike [mailto:datsunmike@nyc.rr.com] Sent: > >Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:59 PM > >To: Datsun Roadster List; Annette - work; Bones; Dawn > >Subject: O/T Politicians & Diapers > > > >> > >> Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. . . > > >> They should both be changed regularly and for the same > >reason. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 17:50:58 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:49:55 EDT Subject: Rear comp springs Howdy all, I recently installed front comp springs and new KYB shocks and love the new stiff ride. I would like to hear comments on rear comp springs and I want to see if anybody has a used set they would like to sell? Or new? Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 18:04:07 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Laury, Victor" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:59:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Industrial solvents Vic, Come on, we know why you talk funny!!!!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Laury, Victor To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:58 PM Subject: RE: Industrial solvents > I have a great tale to tell of MEK, a rag, a tall ladder, the underside of > an airplane wing and me, passed out on the ground, with a large bump on my > knogging, after a fifteen foot fall, out cold. The EMT told me (after I woke > up) that I would have been hurt worse by the fall if I had been awake. > something like "Passed out people fall like dishrags and don't get hurt as > bad. I didn't care, I was hurt enough as it was. So I had a chemical > hangover and a concussion all at the same time. And people wonder why I talk > funny now. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 18:20:45 2000 From: Russell Southwell To: RoadsterRob@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:14:18 -0700 Subject: (no subject) I have a Datsun Tune-up and wheel alignment chart lists Spl/Srl 311 PL 310 PL 410 Pl 411 510 PU 61-68 a nice to have, I can scan and send if anyone wants it. Russ Southwell 70 1600 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 18:52:03 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: hoon@pixar.com, bill_wessel@yahoo.com, shifty@well.com, kigoe@lkeeco.com, Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:25:53 EDT Subject: Re: Coming out to S.F. <> Hello, I dont know what everyone should bring so maybe everyone can volunteer and bring what they want. That way we really dont have to come out with alot of cash at the BBQ. Of course... we will need the following things. Coals, paper plates, plastic utensils, napkins, table cloth(?), drinks, ice, two coolers, hamburgers, sausages, other meats...?, chips... buns...etc. If someone wants to make a potato salad or cole slaw or whatever just bring it along. Other ideas are chili beans, baked beans, KFC...? I will start by offereing to bring the hamburger meat and coals and an ice chest. Make suggestions... that way we dont need to think to much. ;>) Just a reminder... this is for the 12th Annual Old Cars in the Park Picnic being held in Golden Gate Park, San Francisco. There will be over 500 cars there. Everything is being held on the lawn in Lindley Meadow, GGPark. I will get there early! Maybe 7am to reserve a BBQ for BADROC. There are only a dozen or so pits available. We will be able to park are cars on the grass next to our picnic area. Last year there were close to 8 thousand people present. Our Datsuns made a huge hit as we were the only Japanese cars there. We were actually joined by a few British cars. Of course BADROC showed common courtesy. The day starts early and ends at dusk. Parking gets very difficult by 10am. Almost impossible after 12:00. The weather may be hot or foggy. Typical SF weather. Last year it was over 80 degrees. The year before was the same. Very little shade and bathroom facilities available. Come on out and enjoy one of the best things about S.F.! Oh yeah... feel free to come out early to help me block out a section. I dont want to get mugged. Michael "Calspeed" Carion From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 18:54:12 2000 From: "Buz Bowerman" To: "datsun" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:53:32 -0700 Subject: dont know I have put a 240sx auto in a 69 and would like to know how to hook up the overdriie wire harnes. do I need all six wires or can I use onely the overdrive wire and not the rest? From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 18:55:52 2000 From: Geegc@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:55:07 EDT Subject: newbie info I ran into a Roadster owner (figuratively) Saturday in Santa Monica (red 1966 1600) and told him about getting on the list. Of course I have been on so long I forgot how I did it. Anyone remember so I can pass the info on to him? Gary C 1966 1600 1968 Solex 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 19:10:29 2000 From: "Mike Faggart" To: "datsunmike" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:10:01 -0400 Subject: Re: SEROC at Road Atlanta! Boy Phil, you really realy need to use that spelcheck!, mike faggart ----- Original Message ----- From: "datsunmike" To: "Hall, Phillip" ; "Roadsters (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: Re: SEROC at Road Atlanta! > > Phil wrote: > > Hey all . . . We will have a spot in the infield to show > > our Roadsters with a discount of $5.00 off the "emission" price. > > Are they gonna stick something up your pipes???????? > > > 66 Mike > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 19:31:05 2000 From: "Doug and Laura" To: "brian moyer" , Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:30:12 -0400 Subject: Oct. 1 MADROC (and others) at Summit Point To MADROC folks and others, Some of us will be meeting at the Sportscar Vintage Racing Association Blue-Grey Challenge races at Summit Point Raceway this coming weekend (Sunday, Oct. 1). The racing of the old vintage cars is usually great & they're really good to check out as you walk around the paddock. Summit Point is about an hour west of Tysons Corner, Virginia, and a little over an hour west of Baltimore. The 510 club will be in attendance this year as will the Northern Virginia Z Car Club (ZCCNV). The cost will be $25 dollars to get in the track. At 8:15am Sunday, Oct. 1, I'll be meeting the Z Car guys to leave from the Northern Virginia Community College Loudon Campus (just west of Sterling on VA Route 7) for a caravan to the track. If anyone wants to meet me there, please let me know. If you're planning to go but can't make the caravan (or will be caravaning from the Baltimore area)and need directions give me a call at home, 703-938-6984. Hope you can come, either way please respond to this mail so I know I have the right address. The link to the track is below (select the location and direction link at the bottom of the web page: http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/ Take care, Doug Noble Vienna, Virginia SPL311-25006 .....can I get the mirror installed before Sunday..... From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 20:10:23 2000 From: Toby B To: a roadster list Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:07:33 -0700 Subject: OT: Roadsters are too small to be a decent electric car No Politics, eh? Not much valid science, either! (couldn't resist! ) Ok, I got started on electric cars when I had a parts roadster lying around... I didn't want to trash the shell, but it wasn't worth anything to me as it sat, and nobody wanted it, so I thought I could make it into an electric. Did the research, and my electric roadster would have had a pretty limited range (20 miles, maybe). So I found another chassis, one that had room for more batteries, and chopped up the parts car. It really WAS a mess, and I found some NASTY rust with the sawzall. But my electric roadster wouldn't have destroyed the environment quite as quickly as the gas one does, and since I'd charge at night, the immediate pollution cost would have been MUCH less- at night, most of our electricity up here comes from hydro and clean natural gas. (now, there is that pesky salmon...) The driveline would have been stock 1600, except for the little DC motor under the hood. Lotsa lead, fer sher, but when the batteries needed to be replaced, 96% of their metal can be recycled... So if you see an electric VW notchback in Seattle in the next few years, say HI! Toby B > From: "datsunmike" > Subject: Re: halon v gore > > No Politics here but . . . > > The electric car myth that "electric" is good for the environment is one of > the greatest hoaxes on the American public. With the state of battery > development at this point in time the only cost benefit battery to be used > in electric cars would be the good ol' lead acid battery. Tons and tons of > lead would have to smelted and recycled to make all the batteries necessary. > > The entire electric transmission infrastructure would also have to be > rebuilt resulting in the production of copper and steel rising steeply. The > construction of many more power generating plants and on and on . . . > > All that happens is that the pollution is moved to another area of the > country. > > FWIW, > 66 Mike > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 20:18:15 2000 From: HIGHKIX4@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@onelist.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:17:17 EDT Subject: Car Done Pics For All: The SAKE RKT is done well, it will never be done but I'm driving it, and I can send some cool pics of it parked next to a 2000 vette to anyone who has been following this 1.5 year old story..... Feeling pretty good about now.... Jim Chesapeake Va 67 pushrod 2L "SAKE RKT" 72 510 wagon From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 20:55:43 2000 From: VulForge@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:52:46 EDT Subject: Fwd: Cutting SHifter --part1_fb.b9f3668.27040c7e_boundary In a message dated 9/26/00 8:06:08 AM Central Daylight Time, Chris.Brucciani@ercgroup.com writes: << does anyone have any words of wisdom on cutting a shifter? >> IMHO - the stock shifter is too long and too far forward - >> I have a spare to cut down and bend, >> This reminds me- does anyone have a stock 67 shift lever with the "special" washers they can spare? Stock knob would be nice too. The one on my car is rather long, and has a bend in the middle. Is this correct? It just about runs into the console when pulled back, and rotates in the shifter bushing. Not something to inspire confidence. I will of course be happy to pay a REASONABLE price and cover shipping. While I'm wishing, I still need the rear bow trim and a set of the aluminum door trims for a 67... Thanks in advance! Russell Criswell Kansas City MO 67 1600 --part1_fb.b9f3668.27040c7e_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:06:08 -0400 Received: from teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (teamfat2.dsl.aros.net [207.173.21.42]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:05:44 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8QD4NH11465 for datsun-roadsters-actors; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:04:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: teamfat2.dsl.aros.net: majordom set sender to owner-datsun-roadsters@Autox.Team.Net using -f From: Message-ID: To: kwhcpa@addler.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Cutting SHifter Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:03:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: >>2) does anyone have any words of wisdom on cutting a shifter? >> IMHO - the stock shifter is too long and too far forward - >> I have a spare to cut down and bend, but wonder about the >> wisdom of sectioning it versus just cutting the top off and >> rethreading it. I believe an oxyacetylene torch is my sole >> tool option here. I thought the same thing on my 240Z, so one day after a couple of soda pops I broke out the hacksaw and cut it down without too much effort. Don't know if it's the same on our Roadsters, but might be worth getting a good blade on your saw and hacking away. Good luck. Chris Brucciani 1968 2000 --part1_fb.b9f3668.27040c7e_boundary-- From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 22:04:27 2000 From: mga To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Finding a 2000 & what to pay? I'm a long-time MG fan, but am considering buying a Datsun 2000 roadster. What should I expect to pay for one that is stock and well-preserved, or renovated but unaltered? Are there many for sale? Are there many that haven't been butchered? Where's the best place to find one? Thank you! Don Scott From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 22:32:33 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: VulForge@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:30:34 EDT Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter In a message dated 9/27/00 6:59:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, VulForge@aol.com writes: << This reminds me- does anyone have a stock 67 shift lever with the "special" washers they can spare? Stock knob would be nice too. >> Oh.... I had one for sale on my website for a long time and I just sold it for $30. I cut my shifter and made the appropriate bend so that it would be comfortable. I like it but the shifts are alot more stiff. Takes awhile to get use to it. Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Wed Sep 27 22:37:06 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: mga@napanet.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:35:57 EDT Subject: Re: Finding a 2000 & what to pay? In a message dated 9/27/00 8:07:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, mga@napanet.net writes: << I'm a long-time MG fan, but am considering buying a Datsun 2000 roadster. >> Hello, Let me be the first to say welcome to Datsun Roadsters and I wont even bash you or your MG. ;>) You will get alot of information from your post so I will just congratulate you on your interest. Please see the following website for more information and some great links to Pics, Parts and Restorations. http://members.aol.com/calspeed1/motorsports.html Michael "Calspeed" Carion BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 03:11:38 2000 From: "katman" To: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:08:59 -0700 Subject: BADROC at Jimmys Old Car Picnic Hello, Several things going on at my website: 1) Posted a flyer for our BADROC get-together at Jimmy's 12th Annual Old Cars in the Park Picnic on Sunday, October 8th, 2000 in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park. http://www.2xtreme.net/fredkatz/jim1000.html 2) Some pics from the Pacifica Fog Festival & Car Show last weekend that Ken Kwan and I were in with our roadsters. http://www.2xtreme.net/fredkatz/fog0900.html 3) And the video clip that Roman sent me, titled "When men learn to drive" is at my funrun page http://www.2xtreme.net/fredkatz/funrun1.html (Thanks Roman) You really need to hear the audio to get the most out of it. The button just above the index lines triggers a wav file I created that is audio only. If you save/download the rev2l.wav file to your PC then you can go into your control panels/sounds folder and change the "start windows" properties to play it when your PC starts up. Much better than Bill's startup music. Have fun, Fred "Katman" Katz BADROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 07:23:04 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:19:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter Hmm, does this mean the price for a shifter is $30 + shipping? ;-) I know I have a couple around here, darn if I can find them!!! On those NISMO aluminum bushings. The shifter will vibrate a little louder, but it does improve the feel of the shifter. I have a bad habit of "pulling up" on the shift lever when pulling it down. With some worn out rubber bushings I pulled the shifter right off the linkage while on an autox. Hmm, second gear only! The only drawback is that with the solid aluminum bushings it is much easier to "force" the transmission shift folks a little harder. The old Interpart catalog had "heavy duty shift roll pins" as it was easy to shear the OEM roll pins that hold the shift fork to the shift level. Never had that problem with the roadster five speed, but managed to pull too hard on a four speed 510 gear box. Once again by shortening the level it will reduce the force you can put on the shift folks, so probably a non issue. Humor: Dropped off a Honda 1600cc engine at a machine shop. Aluminum block, but a customer was standing there as I carried in the engine. He kept giving me a funny look like "Geeze I don't want to mess with a guy who carries the cylinder head in one hand, and a engine block in the other". Cheers, Tom Walter Austin, TX > << This reminds me- does anyone have a stock 67 shift lever with the > "special" > washers they can spare? Stock knob would be nice too. >> > > Oh.... I had one for sale on my website for a long time and I just sold it > for $30. I cut my shifter and made the appropriate bend so that it would be > comfortable. I like it but the shifts are alot more stiff. Takes awhile to > get use to it. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 08:05:57 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: ra0618@email.sps.mot.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:04:48 EDT Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter Tom, Does this mean that your new nickname is "Muscles?" On the point of the alloy bushings. That looks like something that would be easy to fabricate if you had a lathe. I am sure that some intrepid soul on the list has one and could be coerced - uh, persuaded - into making up a batch. Don't look at me though. I had a hard enough time spelling lathe, so I sure couldn't own one! Sid >From: "Thomas Walter" >Reply-To: "Thomas Walter" >To: road >Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:19:53 -0500 > >Hmm, does this mean the price for a shifter is $30 + shipping? ;-) >I know I have a couple around here, darn if I can find them!!! > >On those NISMO aluminum bushings. The shifter will vibrate a >little louder, but it does improve the feel of the shifter. I have >a bad habit of "pulling up" on the shift lever when pulling it >down. With some worn out rubber bushings I pulled the shifter >right off the linkage while on an autox. Hmm, second gear only! > >The only drawback is that with the solid aluminum bushings it >is much easier to "force" the transmission shift folks a little harder. >The old Interpart catalog had "heavy duty shift roll pins" as it >was easy to shear the OEM roll pins that hold the shift fork to >the shift level. Never had that problem with the roadster five >speed, but managed to pull too hard on a four speed 510 gear >box. Once again by shortening the level it will reduce the force >you can put on the shift folks, so probably a non issue. > >Humor: Dropped off a Honda 1600cc engine at a machine >shop. Aluminum block, but a customer was standing there as >I carried in the engine. He kept giving me a funny look like "Geeze >I don't want to mess with a guy who carries the cylinder head in >one hand, and a engine block in the other". > >Cheers, > >Tom Walter >Austin, TX > > > > << This reminds me- does anyone have a stock 67 shift lever with the > > "special" > > washers they can spare? Stock knob would be nice too. >> > > > > Oh.... I had one for sale on my website for a long time and I just sold >it > > for $30. I cut my shifter and made the appropriate bend so that it >would be > > comfortable. I like it but the shifts are alot more stiff. Takes >awhile to > > get use to it. > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 08:41:19 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:41:33 -0500 Subject: RE: SEROC at Road Atlanta! Didn't I tell you - Al is coming, so we have to pass smog tests before we are allowed on the track:-) Hey at least he is not bringing the crusher - that's after he is elected. Phil and can't spell SEROC -----Original Message----- From: Mike Faggart [SMTP:mikef@salisbury.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 8:10 PM To: datsunmike; Hall, Phillip; Roadsters (E-mail) Subject: Re: SEROC at Road Atlanta! Boy Phil, you really realy need to use that spelcheck!, mike faggart ----- Original Message ----- From: "datsunmike" To: "Hall, Phillip" ; "Roadsters (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: Re: SEROC at Road Atlanta! > > Phil wrote: > > Hey all . . . We will have a spot in the infield to show > > our Roadsters with a discount of $5.00 off the "emission" price. > > Are they gonna stick something up your pipes???????? > > > 66 Mike > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 08:58:24 2000 From: "Hall, Phillip" To: "Roadsters (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:58:28 -0500 Subject: Yahoo it! Hey all - Just checked the Yahoo Roadster club that Roman started. Nine members and I think most are not from CA. Good pictures and a member from England! Check it out and join the elite few. After posting the first time about the Club, Brad from Montgomery AL emailed and joined SEROC!! He is looking at the restored Canadian red 2L - does anyone have information on the Roadster or how to get it into the US - tax, title, tag? That's get our numbers out there and join the Yahoo club. Thanks Roman for really working at helping us Roadster nuts - that's give him some support! Phil SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 08:59:35 2000 From: Beamonk@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:58:31 EDT Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter In one of my box of goodies, I have a shifter housing with solid bushings. I have had thoughts of putting it on, but haven't gotten around to it. How does it feel, does it vibrate much more? John Brasfield SEROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 10:03:11 2000 From: "Kyle Hagemann" To: "311" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:52:03 -0700 Subject: Bad news I must have anti-roadster karma or something. Were I a less restrained individual I'd spout off an endless stream of expletives. Wouldn't help matters, but I might feel better.... Last May (99) I broke my trans. In December, I broke it for real, and had to park the car. Last Sunday, I got it back on the road. Realized I put the shifter-select springs in the wrong sides. Who cares, the sun's out, keep driving! After two days of fun in the sun, I swapped the springs back, and went for a road test. Much better. Feeling bold, I ran the car up to 6,000RPM, and hit the perpetual wall that lives there. Gave it a little more gas, a little less, trying to get it past 6K.......then it happened. Something came apart, big time. Barely fired on one cylinder, shaking like mad, backfiring and making a ping-type noise. Sigh. I'm guessing I lunched a valve (or four or five;-) or maybe the Evil L dropped down and jumped the chain. The head will come off this weekend. Sigh, again. Something to be said for getting 2 days of driving my 2000 in 2000. Something sad. ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, Lousy rackin' frackin' U20 - Broken ------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 10:21:05 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: kwhcpa@addler.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:20:10 EDT Subject: Re: Bad news that bites. Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 11:04:41 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Geegc@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: newbie info --- Geegc@aol.com wrote: > I ran into a Roadster owner (figuratively) Saturday in Santa Monica > (red 1966 > 1600) and told him about getting on the list. Of course I have been > on so > long I forgot how I did it. Anyone remember so I can pass the info > on to him? gary, same here. I dont remember how to do it either. If someone could post the complete info (not just the link), I will post it on the message board. then anyone can readily find it by just going to yahoo clubs, datsun roadsters of Ca. roman __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 11:09:16 2000 From: jon_wissler@pngc.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:18:51 -0700 Subject: Top/Bow Redux As Arnold Schwarzenegger would say, "I'm back". Decided to give the "live" list another shot after lurking on the digest the last couple of months. Wanted to run some soft top/bow what-if's past the veterans. I recently shared my idiocy which resulted in a banged up bow (long story). The list suggested I contact one of the vendors, specifically mentioning CDM as a good place to start. My concern is the problem of getting the whole top assembly down there, plus the fact that my top is close to the end of it's useful life anyway. SO, to get to the point, I went to the local upholstrey shop here in Portland (Spikes) who has performed some good top and seat repair for me. He said he could fix me up just fine, and quoted me about $200. He said he would repair rather than replace the existing bow. I also know of a new top here in town that some guy wants like $200 bucks for, which Spikes would fit to the frame for another $50. SO, the question is, are our cars really that unique that an experienced upholstrey shop wouldn't be able to do a good job repairing it? As much as I would love the new top with the zip out rear window, I like to be able to see the work in person without the long distance hassle. However, if everyone says that is the way to go, that's probably the way I will go. As always, thanks in advance for your sage advice. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 11:11:13 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: kwhcpa@addler.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:10:39 EDT Subject: Re: Bad news Kyle, Bummer!! I hope that you just killed the distributor or something that is peripheral. Best of luck, Sid >From: "Kyle Hagemann" >Reply-To: "Kyle Hagemann" >To: "311" >Subject: Bad news >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:52:03 -0700 > >I must have anti-roadster karma or something. > >Were I a less restrained individual I'd spout off an endless >stream of expletives. Wouldn't help matters, but I might feel >better.... > >Last May (99) I broke my trans. In December, I broke it for >real, and had to park the car. Last Sunday, I got it back on >the road. Realized I put the shifter-select springs in the >wrong sides. Who cares, the sun's out, keep driving! After >two days of fun in the sun, I swapped the springs back, and >went for a road test. Much better. Feeling bold, I ran the >car up to 6,000RPM, and hit the perpetual wall that lives there. > >Gave it a little more gas, a little less, trying to get it past >6K.......then it happened. Something came apart, big time. > >Barely fired on one cylinder, shaking like mad, backfiring and >making a ping-type noise. Sigh. > >I'm guessing I lunched a valve (or four or five;-) or maybe the >Evil L dropped down and jumped the chain. The head will come >off this weekend. Sigh, again. > >Something to be said for getting 2 days of driving my >2000 in 2000. Something sad. > > ____ Kyle Hagemann, Born-Again Grease Monkey From Beyond > _.;(____\____ 72 240Z, L28/E88/SU, 5sp, all poly - Z Beast > | _ | | _'@`, 71 PL521, LZ22, SUs, 2" exh, 4spd - The Hulk > `-(#)------(#)-< 69 2000, Lousy rackin' frackin' U20 - Broken >------------------- 84 Maxima, Tokicos/ST springs, 238K - Mr Max >http://www.sonic.net/~kyle http://www.sonic.net/~kyle/cars.html > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 11:12:06 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: hoon@pixar.com, bill_wessel@yahoo.com, shifty@well.com, kigoe@lkeeco.com, Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:00:21 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: Coming out to S.F. Hi everyone, I've got a couple coolers that I can bring. Michael, can you advise me of a local store so I can buy ice. Otherwise, I'll hit the 7-11 in South City. Count me in for a few bucks for Korean BBQ. Maybe I can get a bucket of potato salad at Costco. I've got coals and starter fluid. Are you tallying a list of our offerings? Also, if we do get the area at the edge of the meadow with the open space, I can bring my catchers mitt and softballs for a little catching practice (rusty, haven't played for 4 years). Anyone else care to do the same? Michael, I think I can come early. If you're concerned about muggers I'll bring a couple baseball bats! Damn, is there that much competition for the BBQ pits? Fred _______________________ Reply Separator _________________________ Subject: Re: Coming out to S.F. Author: CalSpeed@aol.com Date: 9/27/2000 8:25 PM <> Hello, I dont know what everyone should bring so maybe everyone can volunteer and bring what they want. That way we really dont have to come out with alot of cash at the BBQ. Of course... we will need the following things. Coals, paper plates, plastic utensils, napkins, table cloth(?), drinks, ice, two coolers, hamburgers, sausages, other meats...?, chips... buns...etc. If someone wants to make a potato salad or cole slaw or whatever just bring it along. Other ideas are chili beans, baked beans, KFC...? I will start by offereing to bring the hamburger meat and coals and an ice chest. Make suggestions... that way we dont need to think to much. ;>) Just a reminder... this is for the 12th Annual Old Cars in the Park Picnic being held in Golden Gate Park, San Francisco. There will be over 500 cars there. Everything is being held on the lawn in Lindley Meadow, GGPark. I will get there early! Maybe 7am to reserve a BBQ for BADROC. There are only a dozen or so pits available. We will be able to park are cars on the grass next to our picnic area. Last year there were close to 8 thousand people present. Our Datsuns made a huge hit as we were the only Japanese cars there. We were actually joined by a few British cars. Of course BADROC showed common courtesy. The day starts early and ends at dusk. Parking gets very difficult by 10am. Almost impossible after 12:00. The weather may be hot or foggy. Typical SF weather. Last year it was over 80 degrees. The year before was the same. Very little shade and bathroom facilities available. Come on out and enjoy one of the best things about S.F.! Oh yeah... feel free to come out early to help me block out a section. I dont want to get mugged. Michael "Calspeed" Carion From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 11:15:51 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:15:08 EDT Subject: Intake fitting Has anyone got a spare "T" fitting that goes on the water pipe of the Solex manifold? I need one. I think that the SU "T" fitting will work, (it is just shorter) as well. If so, maybe we can trade something. Thanks, Sid _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 11:22:23 2000 From: "Henry Bahn" To: "Thomas Walter" , Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter I've had that happen in a race - shifter in hand with no place to go! Fortunately I was able to stick if back and keep on racing - shifting sloooowly! JH Bahn From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 12:05:59 2000 From: Roman Rist To: Kyle Hagemann Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Bad news --- Kyle Hagemann wrote: > I must have anti-roadster karma or something. > Sorry to hear that. maybe it is PO anti roadster karma, you just have to continue getting rid of the demons till it's right. Roman __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 12:10:41 2000 From: noji To: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:26:00 -0700 Subject: Re: newbie info/lists To get people on this list or other car lists served by autox.team.net Go to: http://www.autox.team.net/www/tn-mail.html This web page will lead you through signing up. Dana Roman Rist wrote: > > --- Geegc@aol.com wrote: > > I ran into a Roadster owner (figuratively) Saturday in Santa Monica > > (red 1966 > > 1600) and told him about getting on the list. Of course I have been > > on so > > long I forgot how I did it. Anyone remember so I can pass the info > > on to him? > > gary, same here. I dont remember how to do it either. If someone could > post the complete info (not just the link), I will post it on the > message board. then anyone can readily find it by just going to yahoo > clubs, datsun roadsters of Ca. > > roman > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Dana Nojima, Ph.D. Department of Urology VA Medical Center - 112F 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 phone: (415) 221-4810 x 2031 fax: (415) 750-6639 noji-1@pacbell.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 12:14:14 2000 From: "Robin Krause" To: ristguitars@yahoo.com, Geegc@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:13:48 GMT Subject: Re: newbie info I believe it's on the NOWROC website - NOWROC.Com >From: Roman Rist >Reply-To: Roman Rist >To: Geegc@aol.com >CC: datsun roadsters >Subject: Re: newbie info >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Geegc@aol.com wrote: > > I ran into a Roadster owner (figuratively) Saturday in Santa Monica > > (red 1966 > > 1600) and told him about getting on the list. Of course I have been > > on so > > long I forgot how I did it. Anyone remember so I can pass the info > > on to him? > >gary, same here. I dont remember how to do it either. If someone could >post the complete info (not just the link), I will post it on the >message board. then anyone can readily find it by just going to yahoo >clubs, datsun roadsters of Ca. > >roman > >__________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 12:19:44 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coming out to S.F. Hello Everyone, Did you all get Dana's evite?? I suggest that we all use it. That way we each can post what we are going to bring and how many people we are bringing. Its really a great way to plan something like this. Fred there is a safeway down at the beach La Playa-Fulton or a CAla on 27th and Geary for ice. Daniel 69 2000 SF CA > Hi everyone, > > I've got a couple coolers that I can bring. Michael, can you advise me of a > local store so I can buy ice. Otherwise, I'll hit the 7-11 in South City. > Count me in for a few bucks for Korean BBQ. Maybe I can get a bucket of > potato salad at Costco. I've got coals and starter fluid. Are you tallying > a list of our offerings? > > Also, if we do get the area at the edge of the meadow with the open space, > I can bring my catchers mitt and softballs for a little catching practice > (rusty, haven't played for 4 years). Anyone else care to do the same? > > Michael, I think I can come early. If you're concerned about muggers I'll bring > a couple baseball bats! Damn, is there that much competition for the BBQ pits? > > Fred > > _______________________ Reply Separator _________________________ > Subject: Re: Coming out to S.F. > Author: CalSpeed@aol.com > Date: 9/27/2000 8:25 PM > > > < possibly make some Korean BBQ and bring it to grill.>> > > Hello, > > I dont know what everyone should bring so maybe everyone can volunteer and > bring what they want. That way we really dont have to come out with alot of > cash at the BBQ. Of course... we will need the following things. > > Coals, paper plates, plastic utensils, napkins, table cloth(?), drinks, ice, > two coolers, hamburgers, sausages, other meats...?, chips... buns...etc. > > If someone wants to make a potato salad or cole slaw or whatever just bring > it along. Other ideas are chili beans, baked beans, KFC...? > > I will start by offereing to bring the hamburger meat and coals and an ice > chest. Make suggestions... that way we dont need to think to much. ;>) > > Just a reminder... this is for the 12th Annual Old Cars in the Park Picnic > being held in Golden Gate Park, San Francisco. There will be over 500 cars > there. Everything is being held on the lawn in Lindley Meadow, GGPark. I > will get there early! Maybe 7am to reserve a BBQ for BADROC. There are only > a dozen or so pits available. We will be able to park are cars on the grass > next to our picnic area. Last year there were close to 8 thousand people > present. Our Datsuns made a huge hit as we were the only Japanese cars > there. We were actually joined by a few British cars. Of course BADROC > showed common courtesy. The day starts early and ends at dusk. Parking gets > very difficult by 10am. Almost impossible after 12:00. The weather may be > hot or foggy. Typical SF weather. Last year it was over 80 degrees. The > year before was the same. Very little shade and bathroom facilities > available. Come on out and enjoy one of the best things about S.F.! > > Oh yeah... feel free to come out early to help me block out a section. I > dont want to get mugged. > > Michael "Calspeed" Carion > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 13:17:18 2000 From: Dennis T Avery To: "Dan and Louise Yates" , Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:11:23 -0500 Subject: Remove me from roadster email list thsnks Dennis T. Avery Director Center for Global Food Issues Hudson Institute www.cgfi.org Ph: (540) 337-6354 fax: (540) 337-8593 davery@rica.net From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 13:52:14 2000 From: RoadsteRob@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@egroups.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:50:55 EDT Subject: Joe Hauser Carb/Header/Chassis/Drivetrain mods Hi lists Finally completed the Joe Hauser pages (until Joe sends me some more great stuff!). Following on from the engine modifications pages, check out Joe's tips on preparing the 1600 for the track, including modifying SU/Hitachi carbs for the track, his favourite Header measurements and preferred suspension setups. See also Joe's preference for using just 4 gears in the Datsun 2000 5 speed gearbox, and how he overcame cracked tailshaft housings etc etc. I didn't mention last time that the 2nd gallery page also features Joe up against Roadster racers, Al James, Sam Armour and Ernie de Jacomo. URL:- http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/ColJoeHauser.htm Upcoming additions are some great early pics of Bob Sharp and his roadsters and probably the first article written by Bob on the GP Datsun 1500 Roadster, back in 1965. Regards and Enjoy Rob The Classic Fairlady Roadster Register From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 15:53:10 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , , Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:48:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter Cal, Less leverage. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:30 AM Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter > In a message dated 9/27/00 6:59:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, VulForge@aol.com > writes: > > << This reminds me- does anyone have a stock 67 shift lever with the > "special" > washers they can spare? Stock knob would be nice too. >> > > Oh.... I had one for sale on my website for a long time and I just sold it > for $30. I cut my shifter and made the appropriate bend so that it would be > comfortable. I like it but the shifts are alot more stiff. Takes awhile to > get use to it. > > Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 16:07:08 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Thomas Walter" , Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:02:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter I'm glad I ain't big like a footsball player. I don't tighten things so tight they snap (usually) or have such big hands they can't reach the small nuts and bolts. There is something positive to being short! 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Walter To: road Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter > Hmm, does this mean the price for a shifter is $30 + shipping? ;-) > I know I have a couple around here, darn if I can find them!!! > > On those NISMO aluminum bushings. The shifter will vibrate a > little louder, but it does improve the feel of the shifter. I have > a bad habit of "pulling up" on the shift lever when pulling it > down. With some worn out rubber bushings I pulled the shifter > right off the linkage while on an autox. Hmm, second gear only! > > The only drawback is that with the solid aluminum bushings it > is much easier to "force" the transmission shift folks a little harder. > The old Interpart catalog had "heavy duty shift roll pins" as it > was easy to shear the OEM roll pins that hold the shift fork to > the shift level. Never had that problem with the roadster five > speed, but managed to pull too hard on a four speed 510 gear > box. Once again by shortening the level it will reduce the force > you can put on the shift folks, so probably a non issue. > > Humor: Dropped off a Honda 1600cc engine at a machine > shop. Aluminum block, but a customer was standing there as > I carried in the engine. He kept giving me a funny look like "Geeze > I don't want to mess with a guy who carries the cylinder head in > one hand, and a engine block in the other". > > Cheers, > > Tom Walter > Austin, TX > > > > << This reminds me- does anyone have a stock 67 shift lever with the > > "special" > > washers they can spare? Stock knob would be nice too. >> > > > > Oh.... I had one for sale on my website for a long time and I just sold it > > for $30. I cut my shifter and made the appropriate bend so that it would be > > comfortable. I like it but the shifts are alot more stiff. Takes awhile to > > get use to it. > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 17:24:57 2000 From: "Ofarrell, Fergus" To: "'roadster.netlist'" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:23:33 -0700 Subject: list subscription response to list-signing-on info: (Gary C? I think) see below. All I have is the info for signing up on the 'digest' version of the list, but I think this'll get ya there. I found it thru (HERESY!) the British Car Club site (SOL: Scions of Lucas). Thank god I wised up in time, prior to purchase. Fergus O'Farrell 69 2000 ____________________________________________________ From: Majordomo@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 1:04 PM To: _________@______.com Subject: Welcome to datsun-roadsters-digest -- Welcome to the datsun-roadsters-digest mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. 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A web based majordomo interface is currently being evaluated, try out http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 18:02:22 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Datsun Roadster List" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:57:52 -0400 Subject: Roadster owner has parts for sale This message was sent to me by Alan Duquette and I am forwarding it to all of you. Maybe you guys in CA want some additional company and a fellow Roadster enthusiast. I have already sent to him how to join the list. 66 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Duquette To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 5:20 PM > Datsun Mike, > Below is an e-mail I sent to Dr. Todt (he has a Datsun roadster page.) > I thought that you may be interested in the content. I'm a proud Datsun > roadster driver, and have some roadster specific stuff to sell. > > > Dr. Todt, > I also have a strong roadster. I'll e-mail you a photo next week. I've > rode a roadster for years. I also have some cool parts to unload, but I am > not in that business professionally. For example, I have a stock Datsun > 2000 exhaust manifold which was taken off a car back in 1969! $250.00. I > primered it gray to protect it. I also have 4 Toyo Proxis RA1 full tread > tires, mounted on American Racing 14" x 5.5" Libre wheels (Roadster only) > w/McGaurd drag racing lug nuts. The lug nut set cost me $100.00! Wheels > and tires around $800.00! Anyway, I understand that you must know a lot of > roadster folks. Is there some kind of bulletin board for buying and selling > such things? > Again, great page! I truely enjoy the racing, x-racing, and less fancy > Datsun Sports. > I am from Rohnert Park California, at least for the last twenty years. Before that I had one of the cleanest 1964 TR4s in Syracuse NY, so I understand all the beautiful east coast stuff. I can be reached at home: 707-584-0591. My e-mail address is going to change soon. I will make sure to record your e-mail address. I am now a avid Datsun roadster fan. I have also done SCCA ITC wars out here at Sears Point in a 1971 Datsun 510, but alas I sold the machine, which has still continued racing the last 9 years without me. > Alan Duquette From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 18:22:34 2000 From: "Andrew Murphy" To: charles.colletti@marcoamail.com, zalabak@earthlink.net, Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:22:01 PDT Subject: SoCalROC T-SHIRTS Done! Hello All! Gearing up for Doheny in a big way! Just picked up the SoCalROC T-Shirts from the screen printer and they look great. I hope to see all of the SoCalers at the show sporting their shirt. Anyone who wants one contact me off list and I will give you my home address to mail the check to. Price is 15.00 bucks a shirt. I have limited availability in small and XXL. I can't sell the shirts at Doheny as that is not allowed, but I will be happy to deliver any shirts when I get to the show. If you want me to mail the shirts, it will be 3.25 to mail them. For those of you on the fence about whether to buy one, the screenprinter put up the proofs on their website. You can check them out at: http://www.buypromoitems.com/customer_proof.htm The small SOCAL logo is the front left chest of the shirt and the car/ocean/mountain motif is on the back of the shirt. I have already received orders from people so don't be left behind! See you at Doheny! Andrew Murphy SoCalROC _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 20:15:56 2000 From: Mike Poorboy To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:18:12 -0700 Subject: Rice Boy Page List, I got this URL from the 510 list . It is kind of funny ! http://www.riceboypage.com/ Mike Nowroc From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 20:53:17 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: datsunmike@nyc.rr.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:52:32 EDT Subject: Re: Roadster owner has parts for sale In a message dated 9/29/00 12:04:07 AM !!!First Boot!!!, datsunmike@nyc.rr.com writes: << This message was sent to me by Alan Duquette and I am forwarding it to all of you. Maybe you guys in CA want some additional company and a fellow Roadster enthusiast. >> All over the situation and have sent out an email. Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Thu Sep 28 23:00:12 2000 From: "Stephen McCartney" To: toby@wolfenet.com Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:59:39 GMT Subject: Re: OT: Roadsters are too small to be a decent electric car Hey, that reminds me of the movie, "Gattaga". All those classic cars running on electrics... I would think a Roadster would be a great candidate for a Hydrogen Cell electric vehicle, though. 8^) I'm looking forward to electric cars winning in various motorsports. Anyone autox'ed vs. an electric yet? >From: Toby B >Reply-To: Toby B >To: a roadster list >Subject: OT: Roadsters are too small to be a decent electric car >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:07:33 -0700 > >No Politics, eh? Not much valid science, either! >(couldn't resist! ) > Ok, I got started on electric cars when I had a parts roadster lying >around... _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 03:05:17 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsun roadsters Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 02:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: roadsterregistry and club update Hi folks, here is an update. first off the Yahoo club is gaining ground. up to 14 members now! some new blood it seems. somehow it is also responsible for a new SEROC member. I've posted some links, and some roadster clubs have posted their links. the instructions to subscribe to the list are posted (thank you all for your info) and I posted laurie's photopoint link. In case you didn't know, laurie has done a fine page of some of our photopoint sites. check out the club for the link! (shameless plug) thanks, laurie! I am in proccess of doing a registry website, not for the results mind you, the results will be posted on Mark Dent's site. This site is one of inspiration, sort of a "register your car" advertisement (at least I hope it inspires people to register their cars) I've been playing around with the pages and I like it! The yahoo club, as I've said before is to get new blood to the list and registry, but I need "old blood" too. numbers of members is what I'm after, lots of them! already in a couple of days membership has surpassed the other Roadster club and we have half the hits on the site, and they have been in existence for some time now. I am not going into competition with the Az club, that is not my intention. I do however, run the Roadster Registry and this is no small potatoes, it is an international project and a massive undertaking. I would like the yahoo datsun roadster club to be massive as well. Right now, when you search yahoo clubs for "datsun Roadster" this club pops up first. I would love it if in a broader search, say nissan, the club pops up in one of the most popular categories. So please, do join. founding members get their car pics up first in the club album. Thank you very much, Roman Rist http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/datsunroadstersofca __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 05:48:10 2000 From: Eric Gustavson To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:42:44 +1000 Subject: Silvia resurrection Hi, I've been having fun this week, helping our local met. bureau man Doug Fraser to replace the axle bearings on his Silvia. Doug uses his car every day to drive to the weather office at the Townsville airport, so it is very important for the North Queensland community that his car always works (otherwise we wouldn't have any weather ........) The bearings (they rumbled badly) had never been changed - still had the original metal grease catchers. The car also has a U20 5-speed that some PO installed years ago. Thanks to Lou Mondello in Melbourne for the parts. Doug said that a good friend gave him the car as a wedding present - now, wouldn't we all like a bunch of friends like that!! regards Eric in Townsville (roadster capital of northern Australia, at latitude 19S) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 08:22:50 2000 From: SPL311RDST@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:21:53 EDT Subject: Re: SoCalROC T-SHIRTS Done! In a message dated 9/28/00 5:26:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time, solex67@hotmail.com writes: > For those of you on the fence about whether to buy one, the screenprinter > put up the proofs on their website. You can check them out at: > > http://www.buypromoitems.com/customer_proof.htm > > The small SOCAL logo is the front left chest of the shirt and the > car/ocean/mountain motif is on the back of the shirt. I have already > received orders from people so don't be left behind! WOW ! Nice job ! Puts the others on the proof page to shame ! Gonna get the check book out and ourder one up from ya, but one question first: What colors are you printing on? (prolly white eh?) Laurie :-) 70 SPL311 69 SRL311 Chandler, AZ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 10:35:22 2000 From: andycost@att.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:34:44 +0000 Subject: riceboy Will someone please post the link to riceboy again? I deleted the message yesterday and can't seem to find the website again. Thanks, Andy BTW-I finally bought the roadster that has been taking up room in my back yard. It is a little rough right now, but with a lot of elbow grease I think I can make a nice street car out of it. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 11:15:45 2000 From: RWM To: andycost@att.net Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:12:56 -0400 Subject: Re: riceboy Try: http://www.riceboypage.com/ or try: http://www.beaterz.com/ Both are home to in no way tasteful, but "way kewl", larger than life (as they know it), exhaust megaphones, shrink vinyl kanji taunts and aero-whacko-dynamics guaranteed to max out D/L. - Bob Mann, '69 2000 Solex andycost@att.net wrote: > > Will someone please post the link to riceboy again? I > deleted the message yesterday and can't seem to find the > website again. > Thanks, > Andy > BTW-I finally bought the roadster that has been taking > up room in my back yard. It is a little rough right > now, but with a lot of elbow grease I think I can make a > nice street car out of it. -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 11:30:37 2000 From: RWM To: Thomas the Swede Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:28:27 -0400 Subject: Re: 2000 Exhaust (was 2.5" flowmaster on U20?) Thomas the Swede wrote: > > In general terms of designing an exhaust system the following > basic guidelines are used. > > The largest muffler should be in the rear because it will make > the system less loud. If you only use one muffler it should be > in the rear. An example, along "riceboy" lines is shown at: http://beaterz.com/reviews/0300/p49_mega_pipe/mega_pipe_back.jpg Note that some rear valance and bumper work may be required. - Bob Mann, '69 2000 Solex, pretty much stock "rice" From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 13:08:53 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: RWM Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:08:02 +0200 Subject: Re: 2000 Exhaust (was 2.5" flowmaster on U20?) The Honda kids usually want two of those in the back and the tailpipe should be bigger than the muffler itself. There are CRX exhausts sold in Germany with two 5-1/2 inch tailpipes. I have seen a Hyundai with 3 pipes. One for each of the owners braincells. Thomas RWM wrote: > Thomas the Swede wrote: > > > > In general terms of designing an exhaust system the following > > basic guidelines are used. > > > > The largest muffler should be in the rear because it will make > > the system less loud. If you only use one muffler it should be > > in the rear. > > An example, along "riceboy" lines is shown at: > > http://beaterz.com/reviews/0300/p49_mega_pipe/mega_pipe_back.jpg > > Note that some rear valance and bumper work may be required. > > - Bob Mann, '69 2000 Solex, pretty much stock "rice" From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 13:17:19 2000 From: RWM To: Thomas the Swede Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:16:00 -0400 Subject: Re: 2000 Exhaust (was 2.5" flowmaster on U20?) I was going to suggest, all three sharing the same brain cell... Thomas the Swede wrote: > > The Honda kids usually want two of those in the back and the tailpipe > should be bigger than the muffler itself. There are CRX exhausts sold > in Germany with two 5-1/2 inch tailpipes. I have seen a Hyundai > with 3 pipes. One for each of the owners braincells. > > Thomas From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 13:33:32 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: RWM Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:32:57 +0200 Subject: Re: 2000 Exhaust (was 2.5" flowmaster on U20?) Siamese triplets... RWM wrote: > I was going to suggest, all three sharing the same brain cell... > > Thomas the Swede wrote: > > > > The Honda kids usually want two of those in the back and the tailpipe > > should be bigger than the muffler itself. There are CRX exhausts sold > > in Germany with two 5-1/2 inch tailpipes. I have seen a Hyundai > > with 3 pipes. One for each of the owners braincells. > > > > Thomas From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 14:42:20 2000 From: dhbain To: List Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:53:53 -0700 Subject: Chassis/Frame Are the frames the same on these roadsters? For instance, is the 66 and 70 frame the same? Could you sit a '70 body on a '66 frame and vice-versa? Thanks! I know I ask some weird questions. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 15:22:19 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: , Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:16:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Roadster owner has parts for sale Cal, Thanks. More the merrier!!!!!!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Roadster owner has parts for sale > In a message dated 9/29/00 12:04:07 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > datsunmike@nyc.rr.com writes: > > << This message was sent to me by Alan Duquette and I am forwarding it to all > of you. Maybe you guys in CA want some additional company and a fellow > Roadster enthusiast. >> > > All over the situation and have sent out an email. > > Calspeed > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 15:26:41 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "Eric Gustavson" , Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:22:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Silvia resurrection My Roadster was a wedding present to the bride given to her by her father in law. He owned a Datsun dealership! Nice gift too. Mike BTW, after restoring the car I drove it to her house. I blew her mind considering the hunk of rust it was. That project taught me an important lesson - never buy a rusty car!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Gustavson To: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:42 AM Subject: Silvia resurrection > Hi, > I've been having fun this week, helping our local met. bureau man Doug > Fraser to replace the axle bearings on his Silvia. Doug uses his car every > day to drive to the weather office at the Townsville airport, so it is very > important for the North Queensland community that his car always works > (otherwise we wouldn't have any weather ........) > > The bearings (they rumbled badly) had never been changed - still had the > original metal grease catchers. The car also has a U20 5-speed that some > PO installed years ago. Thanks to Lou Mondello in Melbourne for the parts. > > Doug said that a good friend gave him the car as a wedding present - now, > wouldn't we all like a bunch of friends like that!! > > regards > Eric in Townsville > (roadster capital of northern Australia, at latitude 19S) > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 15:41:21 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "RWM" , Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:36:16 -0400 Subject: Re: riceboy I live by a "rice" shop and everytime I see the ricemobiles I want to throwup!!!!!! Some of the cars are nice but a majority, in their desire to make their car different and apart from the crowd, simply over do it and they come out looking, sounding and riding like SH-T! Now one of the guys bought a Honda S2000 and they riced that out too with a big aluminum wing that belongs on a CART car and slamming it. He'll be punished in HELL!!!!! Where do these kids get the 1000s of dollars to screw up their cars?????? Last summer a riced out Accord had a flat and the stupid owner couldn't figure out how to jack the car as he slammed it and put on rockers so he could not jack the car up. Of course being the wise ass I am I had to offer a few comments on his dilemma. I know I'm going straight to hell and be surrounded by rice cars with dance music pumped up to sky high decibels. Mean Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: RWM To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: Re: riceboy > Try: http://www.riceboypage.com/ > or try: http://www.beaterz.com/ > > Both are home to in no way tasteful, but "way kewl", larger than life > (as they know it), exhaust megaphones, shrink vinyl kanji taunts and > aero-whacko-dynamics guaranteed to max out D/L. > > - Bob Mann, '69 2000 Solex > > andycost@att.net wrote: > > > > Will someone please post the link to riceboy again? I > > deleted the message yesterday and can't seem to find the > > website again. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > BTW-I finally bought the roadster that has been taking > > up room in my back yard. It is a little rough right > > now, but with a lot of elbow grease I think I can make a > > nice street car out of it. > > -- > R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting > Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 > mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 16:01:52 2000 From: Daniel Neuman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: trunk carpet Hello All, Since I have a free weekend coming up. Irene's going to a friends wedding so I'm free free free!!! I want to carpet the trunk this weekend. Any tips on how to do it?? I pretty much want to carpet everything bottom backside the sides of the wheel wells etc. Any hints tips tricks would be greatly appreciated. Yea I know that several of our vendors make trunk kits...but mines not exactly stock... Remember I have that ridiculously big stereo taking up space.. Daniel 69 2000 SF CA Way off topic.....You wanna see the cutest pics of Irene's and mines brand new baby????? Kitten that is..... go to http://www.indesign.com/kitty/ you wont be sorry.... From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 16:25:03 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: List , dhbain Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:22:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Chassis/Frame They look alike to me. But... On the later frames there's a link from the rear axle housing to the right inner frame. Doing a swap will not allow you to make use of the link unless you're handy with a torch. Fred - So.SF ________________________ Reply Separator ________________________ >Subject: Chassis/Frame >Author: dhbain >Date: 9/29/2000 1:53 PM > >Are the frames the same on these roadsters? >For instance, is the 66 and 70 frame the >same? >Could you sit a '70 body on a '66 frame and vice-versa? > >Thanks! I know I ask some weird questions. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 16:31:11 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: dhbain Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:29:28 +0200 Subject: Re: Chassis/Frame dhbain wrote: > Are the frames the same on these roadsters? Not exactly down to the last detail but close enough. > For instance, is the 66 and 70 frame the same? No. > Could you sit a '70 body on a '66 frame and vice-versa? Yes. > > > Thanks! I know I ask some weird questions. Thomas From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 16:44:40 2000 From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us To: "datsunmike" Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:37:45 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: riceboy I disagree. I think it's great that these kids want to have mini-batmobiles. Seeing them is cheaper than going to the movies for entertainment. And I'm waiting to see someone get creative with our roadsters; I'm looking forward to seeing a big wing, large fins, and a front end slammed into the ground. Fred - So.SF _________________________ Reply Separator __________________________ Subject: Re: riceboy Author: "datsunmike" Date: 9/29/2000 5:36 PM I live by a "rice" shop and everytime I see the ricemobiles I want to throwup!!!!!! Some of the cars are nice but a majority, in their desire to make their car different and apart from the crowd, simply over do it and they come out looking, sounding and riding like SH-T! Now one of the guys bought a Honda S2000 and they riced that out too with a big aluminum wing that belongs on a CART car and slamming it. He'll be punished in HELL!!!!! Where do these kids get the 1000s of dollars to screw up their cars?????? Last summer a riced out Accord had a flat and the stupid owner couldn't figure out how to jack the car as he slammed it and put on rockers so he could not jack the car up. Of course being the wise ass I am I had to offer a few comments on his dilemma. I know I'm going straight to hell and be surrounded by rice cars with dance music pumped up to sky high decibels. Mean Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: RWM To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: Re: riceboy > Try: http://www.riceboypage.com/ > or try: http://www.beaterz.com/ > > Both are home to in no way tasteful, but "way kewl", larger than life > (as they know it), exhaust megaphones, shrink vinyl kanji taunts and > aero-whacko-dynamics guaranteed to max out D/L. > > - Bob Mann, '69 2000 Solex > > andycost@att.net wrote: > > > > Will someone please post the link to riceboy again? I > > deleted the message yesterday and can't seem to find the > > website again. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > BTW-I finally bought the roadster that has been taking > > up room in my back yard. It is a little rough right > > now, but with a lot of elbow grease I think I can make a > > nice street car out of it. > > -- > R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting > Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 > mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 16:52:12 2000 From: "sidney raper" To: dhbain@uswest.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:50:04 EDT Subject: Re: Chassis/Frame They are the same dimension, but some changes were made that may make for some extra work. They should interchange from a mounting perspective though. Sid >From: dhbain >Reply-To: dhbain >To: List >Subject: Chassis/Frame >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:53:53 -0700 > >Are the frames the same on these roadsters? >For instance, is the 66 and 70 frame the same? >Could you sit a '70 body on a '66 frame and vice-versa? > >Thanks! I know I ask some weird questions. > _________________________________________________________________________ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 17:07:40 2000 From: Thomas the Swede To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:03:47 +0200 Subject: Re: Chassis/Frame That link came with the first 2000 models in early 1967. It's good to have there. They also listed different frames for LHD and RHD. Thomas Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us wrote: > They look alike to me. But... > > On the later frames there's a link from the rear axle housing to the right > inner frame. Doing a swap will not allow you to make use of the link unless > you're handy with a torch. > > Fred - So.SF > > ________________________ Reply Separator ________________________ > >Subject: Chassis/Frame > >Author: dhbain > >Date: 9/29/2000 1:53 PM > > > >Are the frames the same on these roadsters? > >For instance, is the 66 and 70 frame the > >same? > >Could you sit a '70 body on a '66 frame and vice-versa? > > > >Thanks! I know I ask some weird questions. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 18:32:47 2000 From: PLETCH5@aol.com To: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us, datsunmike@nyc.rr.com Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:29:27 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: riceboy Doesnt Daniel have a plan something like this for his car?:') Ken DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 20:00:11 2000 From: Bamandpeb@aol.com To: , , Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:59:16 EDT Subject: Re: riceboy punishment Mike: Look on the bright side. Their punishment will surely be having to listen to Kenny G, or Opera. And drive Yugo's. You should also consider buying stock in "Hearing Aids". There will be a strong run on them in about 10-15 years when all of these teens get older. Dan & Susan Tired of being vibrated by the "Thumper" car behind us In a message dated Fri, 29 Sep 2000 5:44:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "datsunmike" writes: << I know I'm going straight to hell and be surrounded by rice cars with dance music pumped up to sky high decibels. Mean Mike> From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 22:39:27 2000 From: Roman Rist To: datsunmike Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: riceboy > Last summer a riced out Accord had a flat and the stupid owner > couldn't > figure out how to jack the car as he slammed it and put on rockers so > he > could not jack the car up. Of course being the wise ass I am I had to > offer > a few comments on his dilemma. I know I'm going straight to hell and > be > surrounded by rice cars with dance music pumped up to sky high > decibels. > > Mean Mike Way to go, Mean Mike! I guess I'll see you in hell too! Roman (SoCal guy with the Philly attitude) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 23:37:52 2000 From: "fredkatz" To: , Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:36:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Re[2]: riceboy I didn't want to mention it lest he was planning a surprise! He's got the dance music part done with that huge stereo in his trunk. Are the fins next? Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: riceboy > Doesnt Daniel have a plan something like this for his car?:') > > > Ken > DATSTER > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Fri Sep 29 23:38:56 2000 From: "Thomas Walter" To: road Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:13:28 -0500 Subject: How to subscribe How to subscribe to the Datsun Roadsters Mailing List send a message to: majordomo@autox.team.net in the body of the message write: subscribe datsun-roadsters - or - subscribe datsun-roadsters-digest You will get a "confirmation email" from the mail server, follow the instructions and send it back to confirm your email address (& that you really were the person who subscribed to the mailing list). Cheers, Tom Walter From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 05:38:02 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:37:15 EDT Subject: Register for the Watkins Glen 2001 Our web page has been updated with some new information. We came across an idea and would like to put it to work. Let us know via email if you are interested. Larry and Evy Larry and Evy's Roadster Day From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 05:58:11 2000 From: "datsunmike" To: "fredkatz" , Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: riceboy Fred, But does he have the CART spoiler for the trunk and one of those "shovel" nose airdams for the front?????? Oh yeah and the blacked out windows with blue ion headlights! :-) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: fredkatz To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: riceboy > I didn't want to mention it lest he was planning a surprise! He's got the > dance music part done with that huge stereo in his trunk. Are the fins next? > > Fred > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: Re[2]: riceboy > > > > Doesnt Daniel have a plan something like this for his car?:') > > > > > > Ken > > DATSTER > > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 06:29:37 2000 From: HIGHKIX4@aol.com To: datsunroadsters@onelist.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:29:04 EDT Subject: Anti Ping Magic Juice For All: Reading the thread on ping-pinging a few days ago caused me to think when I filled up the roadster with 93 octane a few days ago. SAKE RKT was still pinging at low RPM in 4th and 5th, which is fine, cause I HARDLY EVER USE LOW RPM-HA! Boy do I love driving this thing!....In any event, as a test, I bought some flashy aluminum can of gas octane enhancer and dumped it in before the fill up. This stuff actually made the pinging go away, so what I want to know is, what the heck is in it? Is it gonna turn my rubber carb parts into ooozing black goo? Jim Chesapeake Va 67 pushrod 2L 5spd 72 510 wagon (now known as "stinky" by my children for its occasional puffs of blue smoke) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 11:40:03 2000 From: Marc Tyler To: datsunroadsters@onelist.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:45:01 -0500 Subject: Roadster register A note of caution about roadster registries: The NRA (National Roadster Association) and the Center for Paranoid Studies warns that registration is the first step towards confiscation! After that it's only a matter of time before the British quarter MGs in our garages! Marc T. P.S. ;-) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 12:45:51 2000 From: "G-A-Russell" To: "Roadster List" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:39:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Roadster register We beat the British once or twice and we can do it again. They'll take my roadster from my cold, dead hand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Tyler" Cc: "datsun roadsters" Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Roadster register > A note of caution about roadster registries: > > The NRA (National Roadster Association) and the Center for Paranoid > Studies warns that registration is the first step towards confiscation! > After that it's only a matter of time before the British quarter MGs in > our garages! > > Marc T. > > > P.S. ;-) > > From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 12:59:19 2000 From: Dan Neuman To: "fredkatz" , , Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:04:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Re[2]: riceboy Oh I'm working on it don't you guys worry. I have always wanted a 59 Cad Coupe de Ville convert. I have the bullet tail lights coming I just have to decide how exactly I am going to do the fins...... Daniel 69 2000 SF CA At 10:36 PM -0700 9/29/00, fredkatz wrote: >I didn't want to mention it lest he was planning a surprise! He's got the >dance music part done with that huge stereo in his trunk. Are the fins next? > >Fred > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:29 PM >Subject: Re: Re[2]: riceboy > > >> Doesnt Daniel have a plan something like this for his car?:') >> >> >> Ken >> DATSTER >> From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 13:42:09 2000 From: tosborn To: Roadster List Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:02:42 -0700 Subject: Re: suspension grease Ken, I have had good luck using Sta-Lube Extreme Pressure Moly-Graph grease, this is a Lithium based grease with Molybdenum and graphite. Color is charcol-black. I use this grease for suspension and wheel bearings (front and rear). In the past I used Sta-Lubes Multi-Purpose Lithium grease but found it does not hold up as well, seemed to melt or wash out of the rear wheel bearings. Odd the multi-purpose has a slightly higher drop point than the Moly-Graph (370 vs 360 degF), Moly-Graph is much more water resistant than the multi-purpose which may help with gear oil contamination (prevented with good inner seals!). If you use this grease make sure the bases are compatible (Lithium to Lithium), if not you need to remove *all* of the old grease prior to using the new. How you do this for ball joints and tie-rod ends is beyond me. Todd DATSFUN San Jose, CA PLETCH5@aol.com wrote: > > What type of grease is supposed to be used on the front suspension. I have > been using wheel bearing grease (kinda a brownish color) and its been working > fine but I dont know if that is what is recommended. > 2nd question,on my wifes 67 1600 when the headlights are on and you use the > turn signal the brights flicker on. Is this switch rebuildable or > repairable,is this common with this switch and are they still avail. if I > cannot fix it. > > Ken > DATSTER From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 15:40:29 2000 From: GOAVP@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:39:46 EDT Subject: Please Help! Parts car needs rescue.... There is a '69 2000 with a 1600 engine in it that has been sitting at my mechanics garage in Mountain View, CA for about a year now. It is white, body and paint is in pretty decent shape. Chrome is not bad at all. Interior is pretty bad. If interested call Van (not our own BADROC Van) at 650-968-8896. Located at 997 W. Dana Street. He would not give me an asking price, but I can't believe anyone would turn down any reasonable offer. Peter van der Pas Mtn. View, CA From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 17:14:52 2000 From: R Haug To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:14:01 -0700 Subject: Starter bolts and headbolt washers for 2000 I was searching the archives and did not get my question answered. I would like to know if the metric bolts for the starter on a 2000 are fine thread or coarse thread. I don't want to cross thread these. I did see the size at M10x1.5 Do all of the head bolts have 2 washers. (2000) All but 2 of mine have 2 washers. Thanks for the info. Bob 67.5 2L and 5-speed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 17:44:11 2000 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:43:42 EDT Subject: ADQ needles in the mail For the five folks who requested ADQ needles. They went into the mail today. Please let us all know how the work for you. I have one extra pair that I will bring to Doheny with me. keith williams From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 18:47:44 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:45:41 EDT Subject: 69 roadster on e-bay starts at 500 I saw this on e-bay, in Cincinnati OH, If someone is looking for a projest or parts car, It is a 2000, but have a 1600 engine in it. some rust, but looks like it has some good parts on it, New lights etc. Check out the 'riceboy' wing on the back. Maybe a riceboy project for anyone interested!!! http://listings.ebaymotors.com/aw/listings/list/category6553/index.html Larry 69 2000.... I could use some of those parts if someone in OH buys it, Need some of those chrome pieces and side moldings, let me know if someone is buying it to part out From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 19:04:18 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:03:46 EDT Subject: For Sale 68 1600.. says very complete. no PIC asking $600 Here is on in New London, I think that is in CT. http://www.bargainnews.com/BNO/result1.cfm?number=835&Desc=Foreign%20Car%20Par ts&Uq=1&SV=0&SN=aw8470te98dh&QForm=1&RequestTimeout=5000 Larry I needs those parts, but not the whole car. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 19:19:10 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:18:44 EDT Subject: Three parts cars for sale 67, 68, 69. asking 2K for all Three parts cars, I don't know where area code is '209' I don't see rust. might be worth the sheet metal here is the URL http://classiccarsclassified.com/viewad.src?Rec=247 Larry 69 2000 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 20:04:43 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: Dat2000srl@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:04:08 EDT Subject: Re: Three parts cars for sale 67, 68, 69. asking 2K for all In a message dated 9/30/00 6:20:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Dat2000srl@aol.com writes: << Three parts cars, I don't know where area code is '209' I don't see rust. might be worth the sheet metal here is the URL >> Thats here in California! Calspeed From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 20:52:46 2000 From: "Dziuba, Larry" To: "'Datsun Roadster - Mail Link'" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:34:48 -0600 Subject: '68 Roadster Body parts search (SRL311 05500) I have just finished rough hand-stripping the paint/primer and much bondo from my car. A previous owner pounded out a lot of dings. I am currently looking for: 1.) both rear fender panels; from the factory seam down only, if possible, 2.) front the driver's door or door skin, 3.) front grill housing, 4.) possibly the cowel panel and 5.) especially the drivers front fender. It kind of sounds like the whole body. I did not think it was that bad but the body man who will be doing my work would sooner work w/ good pieces and less labour. I would rather he be particular than say "close enough". A previous owner patched over the existing lower rear fenders. I live in Calgary, Alberta and have talked initially w/ nearby vendors. If anyone has some of these parts in better shape and not to far away please reply. Thanks in advance! Larry. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 21:09:33 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:08:55 EDT Subject: 67 1600 $3800 on auto recycler Arizona Car http://autos.recycler.com/ASP/AdResults.asp?sKW=datsun&iSC=5000&sAC=%27US%27&b And=1&curNP=&curXP=&iNYr=1963&iXYr=1970&cmdBtn=Find+It%21&x=10&y=7 From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 21:12:07 2000 From: Russell Southwell To: datsun roadster mailist Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:06:51 -0700 Subject: tune-up&wheel alignment Sheet List what is the best format to scan this sheet in. it is 11x8 and has small print, so whats best to email it so it is readable, or suitable for a web page?? Russ Southwell 70 1600 Beardstown Il. From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 21:27:14 2000 From: Nathen Ruffcorn To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Check those brakes!! Had a REALLY close call today! ;-( Had somebody pull out RIGHT in front of me. She never saw me, but heard me with all four tires howling, bringing me to a suprisingly quick stop. WAY to close for me! Made me think back to last year when I was contemplating whether I should drop the $'s to totally rebuild my brakes. Today I can say it was money WELL spent! If your brakes are less than they should be, please do yourself a favor and fix them this winter. Fix your horn too! I have found it helpful to take the same mindset I would if I were riding a motorcycle-EVERYONE IS OUT TO KILL YOU. Be careful out there! Nathan P.S. Anyone have any thoughts as to why my idle jumped from 800 RPM to 2000 RPM for about 30 seconds after the hard stop and then returned to normal??? (not that I plan to make the tire screaching stops a habit ) From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 21:45:10 2000 From: Dat2000srl@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:44:38 EDT Subject: 67.5 2000 in chicago Does anyone know this car???? When I was at the Glen this year there was a 67.5 2000 with this sn SRL000036. But I don't think that guy planned to sell it, and he lives in PA. This person is asking 2,500 for the car 1967 Datsun 2000, This is an ad for a rare 67 1/2 Solex 2000. There were only about 200 built and it is the most collectable of all the Datsun roadsters, combining the lower windshield style, with the factory 2000, plus special touches. It is serial # SRL31100036, or #36 of the solex cars. It is nearly a complete car. It has surface rust throughout, and is rusted through is a few places, though generally solid. It originally had a white exterior and red interior.This is a great project car, for those who love the 2000s, and who appreciate the rarity of the 67 1/2. A minted out example has gone for as high as $20,000. (773) 728-1369 more details From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 23:41:25 2000 From: KWS711@aol.com To: PLETCH5@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:40:29 EDT Subject: Re: Rear comp springs Ken, I have heard the comp rear springs really stiffen it up. May be too stiff for a lot of street driving. Send Gordon an e-mail and I'm sure he will fill you in. He is off list for a while. If you need his address, let me know. I have the front comp springs and sway bar and the KYB's. Really like the way it handles. Kim 68 2000 CSP NOWROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 23:43:05 2000 From: KWS711@aol.com To: spl310@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:42:40 EDT Subject: Re: Cutting SHifter Sid, I believe the bushings are still available thru Datsun Motorsports. Kim 68 2000 CSP NOWROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 23:45:16 2000 From: KWS711@aol.com To: Phillip.Hall@msfc.nasa.gov, Datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:44:36 EDT Subject: Re: Yahoo it! Phil, I have seen this car. Let me know who to respond to and I'll fill them in. Kim 68 2000 CSP NOWROC From datsun-roadsters-owner@autox.team.net Sat Sep 30 23:49:11 2000 From: CalSpeed@aol.com To: PLETCH5@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:48:43 EDT Subject: Re: Rear comp springs In a message dated 9/30/00 10:43:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KWS711@aol.com writes: << I have heard the comp rear springs really stiffen it up. May be too stiff for a lot of street driving. >> Hey Ken... I installed a brand new set of the comp rear springs and I love them. They do make a difference on the track. Actually, they are so stiff that I feel I need to tighten up the front even more. Otherwise, for the street they are alittle too stiff. Well, for SF they are way to stiff. I really have to slow down for trolley tracks, rough pavement etc... When I change lanes the bumps jar the car quite abit. And I can actually feel every single crack in the road as I drive over it. No exaggeration! But I am not complaining. Michael "Calspeed" Carion 67.5 SRL311-000248 Solex BADROC