From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 12 23:20:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA58258042C; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:20:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f170.google.com (mail-yk0-f170.google.com [209.85.160.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823EC258042C for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so185812309yke.0 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 22:15:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bab722/uxoxVnyglmrpdqoq4ay3a2AN+h4n/Ycixxp8=; b=tjRrZz3p0SP6v/184ua2MITbPKg1rRJxzWLxP8MWLk7A5A9SaLdPYtXWhrga6hgHah +D9b5/H1UE6ySWJ4iHfQHdkIsgh+uWTt666r4H6R6Or09jOoQpyntnkUWQdNwS7l2OOU ibxRVPlHbaxQEpobEgYl5kfeLB6egVcYAwAmQNeWSoOoJUdHTimfusp3gfIAM5PfVt3Y iltWvOZu0AAmSQ4oI6d+jKDGoizS/Eq+/Es6XaZJLh8xMaeXwQxOHI1ZeQsndHI8GYkm A6HeBVWeGp5eowBA+bD4lQB6HxcyDdzlhUZkc1nit4r2R6ZNXQhznj+N1DNiUo5VQr67 LWmQ== j68mr36423792ywg.68.1436764521315; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 22:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.207.203 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 22:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:15:21 -0400 Subject: CDO List alive? From: Roger Garnett To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Hey - How many CDO owners do we still have on this list? I Would like to be able to have discussions on various CDO topics! '03 Model R -- Roger Garnett rwgarnett@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 01:41:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2AA25809E7; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF6825809E7 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lahh5 with SMTP id h5so11392734lah.2 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:42:05 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bDKwVCEgiAhHqbr5mgWOUBfmlgiCfHDqNyr/LcmDVGI=; b=QM5XwljX/AZM614S3rgjijaxW4uqCMPTDuYV5TGn0pLGvH85mNLTgszcr37xNAOPwG qTBNG7/6QczOtzEbHSbStEtOeFp7SVP9yCELHu6l5BUxyQ4TYUQLKE0Z46IpQcPAsaTN 4+7+TJNBl2S5C1WlPwVVdL4NK1jKalyshtSAkuNeL6SlTiO7wR/BLn+clx4EbR0Ao/Ts T5HRHho7ojmjpAdT3A8tVPhNefWz71Ue6ZSOn4rvZ5OpEH+iaPs6ozpmcmFD3erzw7zm qfFisqwoKt+wxcGgF8GqA3ux7B5zfn5ytQzzpcK6BrWpJlw8CViuxK8XbWX6nVWKenzt 0KAQ== lc1mr31068445lbc.94.1436773325531; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.60.5 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:42:05 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:42:05 +0100 Subject: Re: CDO List alive? From: Awentsbury Hotel Birmingham To: Roger Garnett Cc: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net HI , The list is still just about alive , It never really took off as expected , perhaps it was started too early before everything was done on computers as is now done. I am on the Brass Buick list for my 1907 Buick Model F and this works very well with so much information and advice available to all . This list needs to recruit to recruit move members especially as our Guru , Gary is getting on in age . I will see if I can get a mention in the Newsletter. Ian Kerr Birmingham , UK . 1903 , Yellow ! , Curved Dash . On 13 July 2015 at 06:15, Roger Garnett wrote: > Hey - > > How many CDO owners do we still have on this list? I Would like to be able > to have discussions on various CDO topics! > > > '03 Model R > > -- > Roger Garnett > rwgarnett@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Curved-dash-olds mailing list > Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 20:22:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE972586483; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:22:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f181.google.com (mail-yk0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3E82586483 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so211122644yke.0 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:22:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4+B7iUnvJy5kP+tyNkSYqkprbYuLXgwpNWgUYC8twh0=; b=BGa6+x7GHHM2LY+5fbdO82rjou7ZscVcF5H8x30u6dBNSt0TJr0MeYJencV0L21FTF Hb8DmOwBGKGZbMxb1cZdpkO5KCsIirKBzw8UReo+UWHC5xGj32d75iVscb/0yR2NPD6+ 03dJPTUArRx81AfHZhWYhj47lf89pWHLBX3+SD46+4MWng6Raco31SdTntrYlgz7+MJ2 7sczit+P4UQxzIOegpEcUCB9D0TFx+G/u0L/i32AP3yxvQfqqRrA3t9T3tgX8dnqySkM XV3z3+UUddywNGVc2cVKLh+XPg/KrnH/1C6vkicFJ32NOLQbgtzxELXaTKLoIlJckboX cHZw== m4mr41713075yka.117.1436840576737; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.207.203 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:22:56 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:22:56 -0400 Subject: Re: CDO List alive? From: Roger Garnett To: CDO List , "cdoclub@comcast.net" 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Well, that means there's at least 3 of use here - it's a start. It's like it's 1901 all over again... I've copied Gary as well, we should certainly promote the email list in the newsletter - it's a great way to help each other with our cars, and can also generate newsletter material. ------ CDO List info ---- Welcome to the Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net General information about the mailing list is at: http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: Curved-dash-olds-request@autox.team.net with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. ---------- >From Dave Shadduck: Hi I am Dave Shadduck. Still on the list. 1903 R (10916) and On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Awentsbury Hotel Birmingham < awentsbury@googlemail.com> wrote: > HI , > The list is still just about alive , > It never really took off as expected , perhaps it was started too early > before everything was done on computers as is now done. > I am on the Brass Buick list for my 1907 Buick Model F and this works > very well with so much information and advice available to all . > This list needs to recruit to recruit move members especially as our Guru > , Gary is getting on in age . > I will see if I can get a mention in the Newsletter. > > Ian Kerr > Birmingham , UK . > > 1903 , Yellow ! , Curved Dash . > > > > On 13 July 2015 at 06:15, Roger Garnett wrote: > >> Hey - >> >> How many CDO owners do we still have on this list? I Would like to be able >> to have discussions on various CDO topics! >> >> >> '03 Model R >> >> -- >> Roger Garnett >> rwgarnett@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Curved-dash-olds mailing list >> Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net >> http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds >> > > -- Roger Garnett rwgarnett@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 20:36:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AAC25844FB; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821C425887BF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:29:16 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Ii7/QpaAMp6wuUSHBYSS14TI4ZI7ZMvn02idE/P6eZvgwDUe9fts0bZexEbP2zK6; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.98.100.215] (helo=[10.0.1.30]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ZEpyV-0004Xu-1j; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:29:39 -0400 Subject: Re: CDO List alive? From: Dan Suskin Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:29:38 -0400 References: To: Roger Garnett Cc: CDO List , Gary Hoornsbeen 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net I'm here too 1901 and 1902 CDO R Danni Suskin ...leaving only footprints > On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Roger Garnett wrote: > > Well, that means there's at least 3 of use here - it's a start. It's like > it's 1901 all over again... > > I've copied Gary as well, we should certainly promote the email list in the > newsletter - it's a great way to help each other with our cars, and can > also generate newsletter material. > > ------ CDO List info ---- > Welcome to the Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net mailing list! > > To post to this list, send your message to: > curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net > > General information about the mailing list is at: > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > Curved-dash-olds-request@autox.team.net > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > ---------- > > From Dave Shadduck: > > Hi I am Dave Shadduck. Still on the list. 1903 R (10916) > > and > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Awentsbury Hotel Birmingham < > awentsbury@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> HI , >> The list is still just about alive , >> It never really took off as expected , perhaps it was started too early >> before everything was done on computers as is now done. >> I am on the Brass Buick list for my 1907 Buick Model F and this works >> very well with so much information and advice available to all . >> This list needs to recruit to recruit move members especially as our Guru >> , Gary is getting on in age . >> I will see if I can get a mention in the Newsletter. >> >> Ian Kerr >> Birmingham , UK . >> >> 1903 , Yellow ! , Curved Dash . >> >> >> >> On 13 July 2015 at 06:15, Roger Garnett wrote: >> >>> Hey - >>> >>> How many CDO owners do we still have on this list? I Would like to be able >>> to have discussions on various CDO topics! >>> >>> >>> '03 Model R >>> >>> -- >>> Roger Garnett >>> rwgarnett@gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Curved-dash-olds mailing list >>> Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net >>> http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds >>> >> >> > > > -- > Roger Garnett > rwgarnett@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Curved-dash-olds mailing list > Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 21:20:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD8B2584586; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f171.google.com (mail-yk0-f171.google.com [209.85.160.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029852584586 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so211897078yke.0 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:14:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xRarmmGWiHKDmQivEvJM1tQ8etKMY6+u1xjBHvoXrTQ=; b=iUXfp0hQohmMCF25VVJc6hDo8C60W2D5q6h+23YDWoL2oxQ1WgpVzy25OYVtSRpAcM Dz/4W3+rvXJLTd4xUo3yPKqt7XwMBKUKDxAO5gKAyRT864Xpk9zd0vyCPkIyKVBmJK9/ 2fC3X4U/IghQYlUXXIQdFU5termbDE6MaWN2PzMT/feU3lKVlxx8iyP/sGR2pb7MwFFU gIWmmXitiePdB4wXidOC/5etuFiCOqIYSDQAoj3UBBvglpLJ/osiNQt/dwcKgkKvkTiz VL+J85YmSyXwXFKUUkYv4yiZR165VxeKUBoiKiwUm9VYTfp5CT3q0CIv7YOPp+rahWMc 7ZJQ== h2mr12618947ywc.161.1436843680054; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.207.203 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:14:40 -0400 Subject: Running like a hit and miss From: Roger Garnett To: CDO List , "cdoclub@comcast.net" 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Short Background: Car 1903 CDO 15713, restored in 50's, George Green mechanical work, AACA & London to Brighton in 50's -60's and beyond. Mostly original components - Carb is an '03 side valve unit, splitdorf coil, etc. When I acquired it last year it had been unused for several years, so I proceeded to clean & grease, replaced all the wiring, etc. and got it running. Fuel tank had varnish on the bottom 2", removed, cleaned some with acetone & ball bearings. First run - video here - not bad really. http://1drv.ms/1IWWy0W and here's the first drive around the yard http://1drv.ms/1IWWFJO Did a few short drives OK, and then a longer one to a gathering at a friends and it started running like junk. First thought ignition, but in the end bits of varnish had loosened from the ethanol fuel and was plugging things up Cleaned the carb again, added a filter, and it was running decent last fall and this spring. I just re-did coolant hoses & seals, removed valve cover, cleaned valve chambers and reseated the valve cover. Nothing drastic changed. It started up ok-ish, but is running like junk again. It's about like a hit-and-miss engine - doesn't fire every time. Seems to be idling ok, but it misses a lot when I open the throttle, and has a lot less power than it should. fuel flow is great. Thoughts? -- Roger Garnett rwgarnett@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 05:59:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F012B2585899; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 05:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914F42585899 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 05:59:20 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=i+SmAum6uVTmKGFZTzV9KOq6q8HHMLZL+wg/rZ8tdfbJeAZKhrPgfi+RsIxqNMHd; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.98.100.215] (helo=[10.0.1.30]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ZEysB-0000z4-8h; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:59:43 -0400 From: Dan Suskin Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:59:42 -0400 References: To: Roger Garnett Cc: CDO List , Gary Hoornsbeen Subject: Re: [CDO] Running like a hit and miss 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Roger, Where did you add the fuel filter? In my experience there is not enough pressure to allow good fuel flow through a filter under load. Is it possible that the filter has trapped enough gunk that it is limiting fuel flow when under load? If the fuel tank has been well cleaned out, you really don't need that filter. My 2c Danni Suskin ...leaving only footprints > On Jul 13, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Roger Garnett wrote: > > Short Background: > Car 1903 CDO 15713, restored in 50's, George Green mechanical work, AACA & > London to Brighton in 50's -60's and beyond. Mostly original components - > Carb is an '03 side valve unit, splitdorf coil, etc. > > When I acquired it last year it had been unused for several years, so I > proceeded to clean & grease, replaced all the wiring, etc. and got it > running. Fuel tank had varnish on the bottom 2", removed, cleaned some with > acetone & ball bearings. > > First run - video here - not bad really. > http://1drv.ms/1IWWy0W > > and here's the first drive around the yard > http://1drv.ms/1IWWFJO > > Did a few short drives OK, and then a longer one to a gathering at a > friends and it started running like junk. First thought ignition, but in > the end bits of varnish had loosened from the ethanol fuel and was plugging > things up Cleaned the carb again, added a filter, and it was running decent > last fall and this spring. > > I just re-did coolant hoses & seals, removed valve cover, cleaned valve > chambers and reseated the valve cover. Nothing drastic changed. It started > up ok-ish, but is running like junk again. It's about like a hit-and-miss > engine - doesn't fire every time. Seems to be idling ok, but it misses a > lot when I open the throttle, and has a lot less power than it should. fuel > flow is great. > > Thoughts? > > -- > Roger Garnett > rwgarnett@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Curved-dash-olds mailing list > Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 09:02:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A7E2580AC0; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:02:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7281C2580AC0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:02:18 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1436886160; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=S2FPOUEZiZpsNsfyNbTGdruv8vXsJufQG/40KmGFI4JbenhoDRYQ93Ew2U9zOyEQN MmhGfZN4NzOuM+gQKS+q+gFDOy6OMhWMHRthLKPcH8/cNEI1BZumMNNUcKoNA3iTtF wdBv76gOnkrzGBgNRuaEqzcxZv/UK1e/y9mtFIFs= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail12.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.152]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABL4LKD3AJQNP72 for (sender ); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.72.147.230] by webmail12.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:01:52 GMT From: "johnnym7@juno.com" Full-Name: "johnnym7@juno.com" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:01:52 GMT To: danni@mindspring.com Cc: cdoclub@comcast.net, curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [CDO] CDO List alive? 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net I'm on as well. John MastersMillsboro, DE ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dan Suskin To: Roger Garnett Cc: CDO List , Gary Hoornsbeen Subject: Re: CDO List alive? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:29:38 -0400 I'm here too 1901 and 1902 CDO R Danni Suskin ...leaving only footprints > On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Roger Garnett wrote: > > Well, that means there's at least 3 of use here - it's a start. It's like > it's 1901 all over again... > > I've copied Gary as well, we should certainly promote the email list in the > newsletter - it's a great way to help each other with our cars, and can > also generate newsletter material. > > ------ CDO List info ---- > Welcome to the Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net mailing list! > > To post to this list, send your message to: > curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net > > General information about the mailing list is at: > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > Curved-dash-olds-request@autox.team.net > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > ---------- > > From Dave Shadduck: > > Hi I am Dave Shadduck. Still on the list. 1903 R (10916) > > and > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Awentsbury Hotel Birmingham < > awentsbury@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> HI , >> The list is still just about alive , >> It never really took off as expected , perhaps it was started too early >> before everything was done on computers as is now done. >> I am on the Brass Buick list for my 1907 Buick Model F and this works >> very well with so much information and advice available to all . >> This list needs to recruit to recruit move members especially as our Guru >> , Gary is getting on in age . >> I will see if I can get a mention in the Newsletter. >> >> Ian Kerr >> Birmingham , UK . >> >> 1903 , Yellow ! , Curved Dash . >> >> >> >> On 13 July 2015 at 06:15, Roger Garnett wrote: >> >>> Hey - >>> >>> How many CDO owners do we still have on this list? I Would like to be able >>> to have discussions on various CDO topics! >>> >>> >>> '03 Model R >>> >>> -- >>> Roger Garnett >>> rwgarnett@gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Curved-dash-olds mailing list >>> Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net >>> http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds >>> >> >> > > > -- > Roger Garnett > rwgarnett@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Curved-dash-olds mailing list > Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 09:25:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7951325845D1; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 08115258492D for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:20:47 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1436887270; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=M1L5uuKMWsYekwba5mcYIqCRG4NxuU9jvRSlCUI4OQOjUhlGmY3q0lrmozIfUYWxF //jUOoMtD6KZOSXN+gzZPoVwmvChDrAVZqQIq10QY2Rz/k8vIO2yQWXN4cro4/+0t9 ZqZp1BABv/bkGIFV+o9iAiovloSIYNiZ+/wt3aTk= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail12.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.152]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABL4LLGDASK226A for (sender ); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.72.147.230] by webmail12.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:19:18 GMT From: "johnnym7@juno.com" Full-Name: "johnnym7@juno.com" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:19:18 GMT To: danni@mindspring.com Cc: cdoclub@comcast.net, curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [CDO] Running like a hit and miss 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Is the battery fully charged?Spark plug clean and gapped OK?Good compression? My car has the later 1904 style carb. It would start and run, but had cut out / hesitation difficulty at higher speeds. I blocked off about 1/4 of the air intake to give more velocity thru the carb. Seems to have cured the problem. John MastersMillsboro, DE1902 CDO ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dan Suskin To: Roger Garnett Cc: CDO List , Gary Hoornsbeen Subject: Re: [CDO] Running like a hit and miss Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:59:42 -0400 Roger, Where did you add the fuel filter? In my experience there is not enough pressure to allow good fuel flow through a filter under load. Is it possible that the filter has trapped enough gunk that it is limiting fuel flow when under load? If the fuel tank has been well cleaned out, you really don't need that filter. My 2c Danni Suskin ...leaving only footprints > On Jul 13, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Roger Garnett wrote: > > Short Background: > Car 1903 CDO 15713, restored in 50's, George Green mechanical work, AACA & > London to Brighton in 50's -60's and beyond. Mostly original components - > Carb is an '03 side valve unit, splitdorf coil, etc. > > When I acquired it last year it had been unused for several years, so I > proceeded to clean & grease, replaced all the wiring, etc. and got it > running. Fuel tank had varnish on the bottom 2", removed, cleaned some with > acetone & ball bearings. > > First run - video here - not bad really. > http://1drv.ms/1IWWy0W > > and here's the first drive around the yard > http://1drv.ms/1IWWFJO > > Did a few short drives OK, and then a longer one to a gathering at a > friends and it started running like junk. First thought ignition, but in > the end bits of varnish had loosened from the ethanol fuel and was plugging > things up Cleaned the carb again, added a filter, and it was running decent > last fall and this spring. > > I just re-did coolant hoses & seals, removed valve cover, cleaned valve > chambers and reseated the valve cover. Nothing drastic changed. It started > up ok-ish, but is running like junk again. It's about like a hit-and-miss > engine - doesn't fire every time. Seems to be idling ok, but it misses a > lot when I open the throttle, and has a lot less power than it should. fuel > flow is great. > > Thoughts? > > -- > Roger Garnett > rwgarnett@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Curved-dash-olds mailing list > Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 11:41:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7B725844B3; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:41:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f169.google.com (mail-yk0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3F225844B3 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so14427060yke.0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:39:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JNposPbj1Eor2xnHDLUnzsG0scN9Ov3WHPkbPY3ZIQs=; b=TqwY0SAMeJBVo5ZBgOpvmfA6bRKnccBCyF3yMX3JTwKausJSDwiC+Pma/4dbOWTJhm snU2DZYU6D3cFWaJUolGROporqP/KpjmXu8Rc7Kx+z2fzlw4l/5To6zBQMn1zfsitJp5 hR/s/+/p5bHG8g5cQjhWU5Bz90aFNDIOUibQrbTSVR4Eg5OvcOGnbvDNrd/ReYhujVnN ads4JmkUsu3H2nxRo+9DVUoWBqoTFh4vvh/KHHTagMkhlSDMVfcLqsCOa/4a47+FCeL4 sExsab5LN7zs4+/E87EJwl6FsX6msboHXIpI98DQHPVLC7oF9L/apNogCsqsNhgt/hDL qJgg== j68mr45562560ywg.68.1436895572184; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.207.203 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:39:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <91550ED8-7E1B-427B-82A3-D3625AC187C5@mindspring.com> <000801d0be31$6b2312c0$41693840$@net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:39:32 -0400 From: Roger Garnett To: Gary Hoonsbeen , CDO List Subject: Re: [CDO] Running like a hit and miss 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net > Ian K suggests: First clean up the ignition cam lobe and spring with a piece of cloth I do need to go over this again - had to adjust the spring to get contact to begin with. How long should the contact duration be? > Second , take out the spark plug , reconnect the lead and place the plug on top of the engine ensuring an earth contact .Turn the engine over to see what sort of spark you have and if it is regular. I've done that, have a decent spark. (At hand crank RPMs anyhow!) Spark Plug is a bit sooty at this point. > Recheck the timing I should go through the valve timing process - altho it was recently running reasonably! > After that i would have another look at the carb for blockage. The fuel path is currently all clear, and free-flowing. Great flow if I pull the line off the carb, or the sediment cap. > Also check the battery , it could be nearly flat . Battery is freshly charged. > Johnny sez: My car has the later 1904 style carb. It would start and run, but had cut out / hesitation difficulty at higher speeds. I blocked off about 1/4 of the air intake to give more velocity thru the carb. The early carb is very different, not sure what would happen. I've had the tube in place running to the "air filter" on the side of the body. Left it off last night, no change. > Gary H sez: have a tumbling machine mounted on the wall of my shop. I strap a tank to it with about a quart of abrasive tumbling rock and a few quarts of soapy water. Let it run for one or two days Gary - I may take you up on a tank tumble over the winter! Roger Garnett 1903 CDO #15713 rwgarnett@gmail.com 607 227-5648 Lansing, NY _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 11:49:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260E22584583; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f176.google.com (mail-yk0-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528D12584583 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so14666019yke.0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:49:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ln0e8OoAiZKz5GkHlcla01GxgWtqQkT8rpJGPhjDKzk=; b=poHsKpV4pUYIknvDxDANok3ArV5eJjuXJ4z+N52J6VYDKL4vINAx0Lok/EIUS0MI3I Z0jF24jguYqLCLqUnh9znpjzhr+UHRJDTxbUAbvAfNR0rgQAEmZP1m77oUEpJC6H4hmU 0T2n3N9CC/uRQaFy7MuCkDu0sHKLwo84a65AQWpWxu1RbUEqYRSp53vA5fGNPQvNF0Cj AcXGLiYna9y2ne1zo7saOlEHBwElTKpwSQxAsySmGk3vxLexA+06H8v9de6ToprhExrU h9CGqEzN4Ebtu+entiA0FdQZ/Ejhdw/B5e8/qdyP+tXZVDI0kypGQoYBUj2LTxN3D92R 1e7g== a2mr44339290ywg.149.1436896168729; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.207.203 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:49:28 -0400 From: Roger Garnett To: CDO List , "cdoclub@comcast.net" Subject: [CDO] CDO List - yes, it's alive! 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Just for info - Subscribers can see a list of members on the CDO list. There are about 3 dozen of us altogether. Please share the info with other owners as well. Note that the way this list is set up, you may need to "Reply All" or your reply will just go to the last sender. (sometimes desirable) Roger ------ CDO List info ---- General information about the mailing list is at: http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds To post to this list, send your message to: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: Curved-dash-olds-request@autox.team.net with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 22:02:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693CB2584787; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f170.google.com (mail-yk0-f170.google.com [209.85.160.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDE72584787 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykax123 with SMTP id x123so26198527yka.1 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:58:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mRhlu5BFm6uVdVWQFa/fVbP5WKesqmvZj3Gzkqp8r8w=; b=nGtE4SqsA2nqxQHMJD3kRpR0kv1vxoSZHdbnrKf1nTtwbkhGN821w54BZIuOID+RG8 duKJq94+qx+bp1sexsgVh3QVNqctIQ67+SwsVBhJTKmiQKSrOWz6w6Ig6e98z0Qc1+iU bDA2naJGrXcfzKNQ7pONrcTKZS67d0e5X4c6elBAL1UobLUu1NeKuKtQUMGlkMYIumgt ixbbHZ2oEBhA9VH+CrGHN53ijjw2vr4DIG3SULtSUl3z11P5aTXonKYF9G/711TGh3Sz MfY0iDmCE9uDEjsbcXjNEazNLuCSqrqlfbfQqWoAC6Zm6X0kaanBR4a1l+XZ4iTgITrg WKHQ== a2mr1966615ywg.149.1436932739819; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.207.203 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:58:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <91550ED8-7E1B-427B-82A3-D3625AC187C5@mindspring.com> <000801d0be31$6b2312c0$41693840$@net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:58:59 -0400 From: Roger Garnett To: Gary Hoonsbeen , CDO List Subject: Re: [CDO] Running like a hit and miss 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net My friend Randy, who has an earlier '03 came over and we had a very productive evening. I cleaned the grease out from the ignition cam, cleaned the flywheel, and we measured the ignition and valve timing. Cleaning the flywheel yeilded obvious marks - a single hole & scribe line for TDC, and 4 holes across a scrabe for BDC, plus a couple more lines that turned out to be valve timing marks. My car does have adjustable valve timing, as well as very steep intake & exhaust lobes. The intake rocker is ground out to provide clearance for the tall cam lobe. The timing numbers are interesting when compared to what's in the CDO manual (Thanks Gary) Ignition: Manual - "the spark should fire about one to two inches after TCD, and continue about 13 inches" My spark currently occurs right at TDC, and runs for about 5". This is obviously modifiable by bending the contact, but is staying as is for now. Valves: The manual lists a couple, mine are an interesting mix: Factory On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Roger Garnett wrote: > > Ian K suggests: First clean up the ignition cam lobe and spring with a > piece of cloth > > I do need to go over this again - had to adjust the spring to get contact > to begin with. How long should the contact duration be? > > > Second , take out the spark plug , reconnect the lead and place the plug > on top of the engine ensuring an earth contact .Turn the engine over to see > what sort of spark you have and if it is regular. > > I've done that, have a decent spark. (At hand crank RPMs anyhow!) Spark > Plug is a bit sooty at this point. > > > Recheck the timing > > I should go through the valve timing process - altho it was recently > running reasonably! > > > After that i would have another look at the carb for blockage. > > The fuel path is currently all clear, and free-flowing. Great flow if I > pull the line off the carb, or the sediment cap. > > > Also check the battery , it could be nearly flat . > > Battery is freshly charged. > > > Johnny sez: My car has the later 1904 style carb. It would start and > run, but had cut out / hesitation difficulty at higher speeds. I blocked > off about 1/4 of the air intake to give more velocity thru the carb. > > The early carb is very different, not sure what would happen. I've had > the tube in place running to the "air filter" on the side of the body. Left > it off last night, no change. > > > Gary H sez: have a tumbling machine mounted on the wall of my shop. I > strap a tank to it with about a quart of abrasive tumbling rock and a few > quarts of soapy water. Let it run for one or two days > > Gary - I may take you up on a tank tumble over the winter! > > Roger Garnett > 1903 CDO #15713 > rwgarnett@gmail.com > 607 227-5648 > Lansing, NY > > > -- Roger Garnett rwgarnett@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 22:02:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414EB2587553; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f182.google.com (mail-yk0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8BB2584787 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so26134578yke.0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:01:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OjCde/zvWq1VQx7AG8aU3SO9nykwDVPZC+EWTWQJTVU=; b=SPOTyG6VhR+FaB2aPWAgEg9SfswC5nkCyE2f9I/wjIT4aGNVUawPLGA3acOjLZMmSl 9vU6vY6R52tYJBba7sNPGFCLtYq/gfesvrl0gTd56EUrl4X1jEYvlw93/kaDZnpKOxAD ni/4QtFCPMALYGNgsNW8eo33RUOUMggBH7w28fXpK74CrV/EEqnYarmQfYfJpKEoT0JC hEuIm+BSK/v1Xl83PaAvhtmOxEFLtnX2TRj9HiXZ7lKcSNIGCsr+hGuMUePiTOCsOY2l DO5magyxpI7fgcZditI9z5jKIt8lIqfPuCBJ7iE7T+nJPgmriW0RWZET0CkpLDvq6iqv QnYg== t205mr2177027ywf.26.1436932870377; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.207.203 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:01:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <91550ED8-7E1B-427B-82A3-D3625AC187C5@mindspring.com> <000801d0be31$6b2312c0$41693840$@net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 00:01:10 -0400 From: Roger Garnett To: Gary Hoonsbeen , CDO List Subject: Re: [CDO] Running like a hit and miss 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net OK, hit the wrong key - trying again: My friend Randy, who has an earlier '03 came over and we had a very productive evening. I cleaned the grease out from the ignition cam, cleaned the flywheel, and we measured the ignition and valve timing. Cleaning the flywheel yeilded obvious marks - a single hole & scribe line for TDC, and 4 holes across a scrabe for BDC, plus a couple more lines that turned out to be valve timing marks. My car does have adjustable valve timing, as well as very steep intake & exhaust lobes. The intake rocker is ground out to provide clearance for the tall cam lobe. The timing numbers are interesting when compared to what's in the CDO manual (Thanks Gary) Ignition: Manual - "the spark should fire about one to two inches after TCD, and continue about 13 inches" My spark currently occurs right at TDC, and runs for about 5". This is obviously modifiable by bending the contact, but is staying as is for now. Valves: The manual lists a couple, mine are an interesting mix: Factory "George Green Restoration" My car - also a George Green Exhaust Closes 2" After TDC On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Roger Garnett wrote: > My friend Randy, who has an earlier '03 came over and we had a very > productive evening. > > I cleaned the grease out from the ignition cam, cleaned the flywheel, and > we measured the ignition and valve timing. > > Cleaning the flywheel yeilded obvious marks - a single hole & scribe line > for TDC, and 4 holes across a scrabe for BDC, plus a couple more lines > that turned out to be valve timing marks. My car does have adjustable > valve timing, as well as very steep intake & exhaust lobes. The intake > rocker is ground out to provide clearance for the tall cam lobe. > > The timing numbers are interesting when compared to what's in the CDO > manual (Thanks Gary) > > Ignition: > Manual - "the spark should fire about one to two inches after TCD, and > continue about 13 inches" > My spark currently occurs right at TDC, and runs for about 5". This is > obviously modifiable by bending the contact, but is staying as is for now. > > Valves: The manual lists a couple, mine are an interesting mix: > > Factory > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Roger Garnett > wrote: > >> > Ian K suggests: First clean up the ignition cam lobe and spring with a >> piece of cloth >> >> I do need to go over this again - had to adjust the spring to get contact >> to begin with. How long should the contact duration be? >> >> > Second , take out the spark plug , reconnect the lead and place the >> plug on top of the engine ensuring an earth contact .Turn the engine over >> to see what sort of spark you have and if it is regular. >> >> I've done that, have a decent spark. (At hand crank RPMs anyhow!) Spark >> Plug is a bit sooty at this point. >> >> > Recheck the timing >> >> I should go through the valve timing process - altho it was recently >> running reasonably! >> >> > After that i would have another look at the carb for blockage. >> >> The fuel path is currently all clear, and free-flowing. Great flow if I >> pull the line off the carb, or the sediment cap. >> >> > Also check the battery , it could be nearly flat . >> >> Battery is freshly charged. >> >> > Johnny sez: My car has the later 1904 style carb. It would start and >> run, but had cut out / hesitation difficulty at higher speeds. I blocked >> off about 1/4 of the air intake to give more velocity thru the carb. >> >> The early carb is very different, not sure what would happen. I've had >> the tube in place running to the "air filter" on the side of the body. Left >> it off last night, no change. >> >> > Gary H sez: have a tumbling machine mounted on the wall of my shop. I >> strap a tank to it with about a quart of abrasive tumbling rock and a few >> quarts of soapy water. Let it run for one or two days >> >> Gary - I may take you up on a tank tumble over the winter! >> >> Roger Garnett >> 1903 CDO #15713 >> rwgarnett@gmail.com >> 607 227-5648 >> Lansing, NY >> >> >> > > > -- > Roger Garnett > rwgarnett@gmail.com > -- Roger Garnett rwgarnett@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 22:18:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD6925846AA; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f179.google.com (mail-yk0-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E84225846AA for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so26349439yke.0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:17:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IaAukn4XvVx1pdH+PySgtfD7VlFfF0EDP5FvKaKTAZo=; b=QLpnHF5ne7h//KAxKMUUtFLnk1HJWuPpfyGR2wVQqdf9IGRm8SK8NJmz4es2+2BUM0 /9w2yl+cvGFObVqlHDirnYwHyrePv+thEiDrvLN3Pm5jxX3NtI8jqxPROQ9Qow6E2eVU qvW84AW6e+oPjZTLrq4xrneUSJiJ/tBic8+NpCeVCCLhe4lliPPAMi21JsRXe4PZYAN7 PJHzkVC6KhEbJT/qPM4YkHXoTZaOS++tiVWbC/SwuLHCg8nJSS5n40/esfK1EHMEchfJ c4OyMo6PurIY+cRpT2jF98N8wXYcj8ezWpunoKH5YqUZ33Ue1V74h7s+MYU4r610yl81 XiiQ== h2mr2090398ywc.161.1436933833509; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.207.203 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:17:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <91550ED8-7E1B-427B-82A3-D3625AC187C5@mindspring.com> <000801d0be31$6b2312c0$41693840$@net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 00:17:13 -0400 From: Roger Garnett To: Gary Hoonsbeen , CDO List Subject: Re: [CDO] Running like a hit and miss 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net You wouldn't know I'm in it by the way I keep hitting the wrong key- 3rd time's the charm. My friend Randy, who has an earlier '03 came over and we had a very productive evening. I cleaned the grease out from the ignition cam, cleaned & taped the flywheel, and we measured the ignition and valve timing. Cleaning the flywheel yielded obvious marks - a single hole & scribe line for TDC, and 4 holes across a scribe for BDC, plus a couple more lines that turned out to be valve timing marks. My car does have adjustable valve timing, as well as very steep intake & exhaust lobes. The intake rocker is ground out to provide clearance for the tall cam lobe. The timing numbers are interesting when compared to what's in the CDO manual (Thanks Gary) Ignition: Manual - "the spark should fire about one to two inches after TCD, and continue about 13 inches" My spark currently occurs right at TDC, and runs for about 5". This is obviously modifiable by bending the contact, but is staying as is for now. Valves Timing at full retard: The manual lists a couple versions, mine adds some interesting differences: Factory "George Green Restoration" My car - also a George Green Exhaust Closes 2" After TDC 1 " after TDC 4 1/4" after TDC Intake Opens 3" after TDC 2" after TDC 5 1/2" BEFORE TDC (double checked!) Intake closes 1/2" after BDC 6" after BDC 1/2" after BDC (right on a scribe line) Exhaust opens 8" before BDC 7 1/4" before BDC 8" before BDC (right on a scribe line" So yet another very different set of timings, with 2 of them right on the factory marks. Again - George Green worked on this in 1957, so had pretty well figured out what to do, i guess. So we also filled the tank most of the way. Randy said his doesn't run well when it gets low. Started it up, and it's now running great again! Attributed to cleaning the ignition & better head on the fuel. I will go for one of those low-restriction fuel filters Gary mentioned, until my varnish is vanquished. Roger On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Roger Garnett wrote: > OK, hit the wrong key - trying again: > My friend Randy, who has an earlier '03 came over and we had a very > productive evening. > > I cleaned the grease out from the ignition cam, cleaned the flywheel, and > we measured the ignition and valve timing. > > Cleaning the flywheel yeilded obvious marks - a single hole & scribe line > for TDC, and 4 holes across a scrabe for BDC, plus a couple more lines > that turned out to be valve timing marks. My car does have adjustable > valve timing, as well as very steep intake & exhaust lobes. The intake > rocker is ground out to provide clearance for the tall cam lobe. > > The timing numbers are interesting when compared to what's in the CDO > manual (Thanks Gary) > > Ignition: > Manual - "the spark should fire about one to two inches after TCD, and > continue about 13 inches" > My spark currently occurs right at TDC, and runs for about 5". This is > obviously modifiable by bending the contact, but is staying as is for now. > > Valves: The manual lists a couple, mine are an interesting mix: > > Factory "George Green Restoration" My > car - also a George Green > Exhaust Closes 2" After TDC > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Roger Garnett > wrote: > >> My friend Randy, who has an earlier '03 came over and we had a very >> productive evening. >> >> I cleaned the grease out from the ignition cam, cleaned the flywheel, and >> we measured the ignition and valve timing. >> >> Cleaning the flywheel yeilded obvious marks - a single hole & scribe line >> for TDC, and 4 holes across a scrabe for BDC, plus a couple more lines >> that turned out to be valve timing marks. My car does have adjustable >> valve timing, as well as very steep intake & exhaust lobes. The intake >> rocker is ground out to provide clearance for the tall cam lobe. >> >> The timing numbers are interesting when compared to what's in the CDO >> manual (Thanks Gary) >> >> Ignition: >> Manual - "the spark should fire about one to two inches after TCD, and >> continue about 13 inches" >> My spark currently occurs right at TDC, and runs for about 5". This is >> obviously modifiable by bending the contact, but is staying as is for now. >> >> Valves: The manual lists a couple, mine are an interesting mix: >> >> Factory >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Roger Garnett >> wrote: >> >>> > Ian K suggests: First clean up the ignition cam lobe and spring with >>> a piece of cloth >>> >>> I do need to go over this again - had to adjust the spring to get >>> contact to begin with. How long should the contact duration be? >>> >>> > Second , take out the spark plug , reconnect the lead and place the >>> plug on top of the engine ensuring an earth contact .Turn the engine over >>> to see what sort of spark you have and if it is regular. >>> >>> I've done that, have a decent spark. (At hand crank RPMs anyhow!) >>> Spark Plug is a bit sooty at this point. >>> >>> > Recheck the timing >>> >>> I should go through the valve timing process - altho it was recently >>> running reasonably! >>> >>> > After that i would have another look at the carb for blockage. >>> >>> The fuel path is currently all clear, and free-flowing. Great flow if I >>> pull the line off the carb, or the sediment cap. >>> >>> > Also check the battery , it could be nearly flat . >>> >>> Battery is freshly charged. >>> >>> > Johnny sez: My car has the later 1904 style carb. It would start and >>> run, but had cut out / hesitation difficulty at higher speeds. I blocked >>> off about 1/4 of the air intake to give more velocity thru the carb. >>> >>> The early carb is very different, not sure what would happen. I've had >>> the tube in place running to the "air filter" on the side of the body. Left >>> it off last night, no change. >>> >>> > Gary H sez: have a tumbling machine mounted on the wall of my shop. I >>> strap a tank to it with about a quart of abrasive tumbling rock and a few >>> quarts of soapy water. Let it run for one or two days >>> >>> Gary - I may take you up on a tank tumble over the winter! >>> >>> Roger Garnett >>> 1903 CDO #15713 >>> rwgarnett@gmail.com >>> 607 227-5648 >>> Lansing, NY >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Roger Garnett >> rwgarnett@gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Roger Garnett > rwgarnett@gmail.com > -- Roger Garnett rwgarnett@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 22 10:34:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB2525844B2; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f181.google.com (mail-yk0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE0725844B2 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykay190 with SMTP id y190so196981360yka.3 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PacCp8JOlX9CA315DCqpOv5lVlR1IU6eAPs6OTWGs24=; b=zNIjWrfWXsskp2t/0mg+N7ZA2APb9psACc7r2X/uuoWIiyHNaKJBvu7QXUKffsQbfj 5+rGxF7eU8voIYsQNcl3hSmSwS1pGYrQd8QFJAT+dcjx211aCPB1j1KkjvA9G7BIMTyL gEACkGblwOYyHFBFRJx64vOHvWculQ4TFP5TAXStg8tEK3FnwAXrh/4PZivB8VZnbE7b gUk7HBja9GHkcYeRlIONJ6yyrdKVICnH02e6vaW3M7tdG3y0ZWllqAyHhuKVkGoGxrKl C+JtizLvNSutMlMmQaDCPrnap0OJ837w43BIY7ijXztYHcXaHFmU8q8sGYPtF1WDzzNz KNgA== Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.207.203 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:34:44 -0400 From: Roger Garnett To: CDO List , "cdoclub@comcast.net" Subject: [CDO] Bubble Bubble CDO Bubble 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings all With my car now running better and all, on Saturday we had a great picnic outing my and Randy's '03 CDO's. It was a hot and steamy day, and we did get hit with a brief shower during lunch (Big old oaks make great shelters.), and a bit stronger burst as we prepared to depart. A couple photos of the cars, and water pump: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=3F5AC33088AA48E2!415817&authkey=!AIUvp3zSZXakSV8&ithint=folder%2cjpg One thing I found is that when I stop after about a 5 mile run, the water in the coolant tank boils for a couple of minutes. Even tho it was a hot day, and it has original Olds cooling path (no head modification), it seems like it shouldn't boil that readily. I've checked the flow, and nothing seems restricted. I see two likely possibilities: 1) The water pump isn't doing much. 2) The engine is running extra hot for some other reason. I'm thinking the water pump may be doing a sub-par job, and should be removed & renovated. It looks like taking off the water lines and loosening the big nut is what it takes, but doesn't look like there is a lot of clearance between the pump and side of the body to remove it. Can anyone tell me if this style pump (Late '03, see picture) can be removed with the body in place? Is this a simple pump to rebuild? -- Roger Garnett rwgarnett@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 22 11:12:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E462585A71; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9567D25807BE for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:11:53 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=UWUvLPvBLIjD2+Mb8bnNP8aa86dl8VWBkcvjyPDhg2Ocx5Yj4grRzL1BsYWVJaZK; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.98.100.215] (helo=[10.0.1.30]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHxZ1-0005Ki-A4; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:12:15 -0400 From: Dan Suskin Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:12:18 -0400 References: To: Roger Garnett Cc: CDO List , Gary Hoornsbeen Subject: Re: [CDO] Bubble Bubble CDO Bubble 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Roger Many early cars will boil after you shut them off - I would not do anything based on that. If it is not boiling while running, I don't see a problem Danni Danni Suskin ...leaving only footprints > On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Roger Garnett wrote: > > Greetings all > > With my car now running better and all, on Saturday we had a great picnic > outing my and Randy's '03 CDO's. It was a hot and steamy day, and we did > get hit with a brief shower during lunch (Big old oaks make great > shelters.), and a bit stronger burst as we prepared to depart. > > A couple photos of the cars, and water pump: > > https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=3F5AC33088AA48E2!415817&authkey=!AIUvp3 zSZXakSV8&ithint=folder%2cjpg > > One thing I found is that when I stop after about a 5 mile run, the water > in the coolant tank boils for a couple of minutes. Even tho it was a hot > day, and it has original Olds cooling path (no head modification), it seems > like it shouldn't boil that readily. I've checked the flow, and nothing > seems restricted. I see two likely possibilities: > > 1) The water pump isn't doing much. > 2) The engine is running extra hot for some other reason. > > I'm thinking the water pump may be doing a sub-par job, and should be > removed & renovated. It looks like taking off the water lines and loosening > the big nut is what it takes, but doesn't look like there is a lot of > clearance between the pump and side of the body to remove it. > > Can anyone tell me if this style pump (Late '03, see picture) can be > removed with the body in place? > Is this a simple pump to rebuild? > > -- > Roger Garnett > rwgarnett@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Curved-dash-olds mailing list > Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds From curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 22 11:13:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00AD2585A65; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC2F2585A65 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:13:20 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=oQ7l2t1QnfF68GOipVm6nh0Pyf/TrVin+nKO7O0IbQIFVpOe46coRCIXMFxrtgx3; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.98.100.215] (helo=[10.0.1.30]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHxaW-0001Nr-2t; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:13:48 -0400 From: Dan Suskin Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:13:50 -0400 References: To: Roger Garnett Cc: CDO List , Gary Hoornsbeen Subject: Re: [CDO] Bubble Bubble CDO Bubble 1900 - 1905" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: curved-dash-olds-bounces@autox.team.net One more thing - the Austin 7 - which has no water pump at all and relies on thermosyphon for cooling - always boils after shut down Danni Suskin ...leaving only footprints > On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Roger Garnett wrote: > > Greetings all > > With my car now running better and all, on Saturday we had a great picnic > outing my and Randy's '03 CDO's. It was a hot and steamy day, and we did > get hit with a brief shower during lunch (Big old oaks make great > shelters.), and a bit stronger burst as we prepared to depart. > > A couple photos of the cars, and water pump: > > https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=3F5AC33088AA48E2!415817&authkey=!AIUvp3 zSZXakSV8&ithint=folder%2cjpg > > One thing I found is that when I stop after about a 5 mile run, the water > in the coolant tank boils for a couple of minutes. Even tho it was a hot > day, and it has original Olds cooling path (no head modification), it seems > like it shouldn't boil that readily. I've checked the flow, and nothing > seems restricted. I see two likely possibilities: > > 1) The water pump isn't doing much. > 2) The engine is running extra hot for some other reason. > > I'm thinking the water pump may be doing a sub-par job, and should be > removed & renovated. It looks like taking off the water lines and loosening > the big nut is what it takes, but doesn't look like there is a lot of > clearance between the pump and side of the body to remove it. > > Can anyone tell me if this style pump (Late '03, see picture) can be > removed with the body in place? > Is this a simple pump to rebuild? > > -- > Roger Garnett > rwgarnett@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Curved-dash-olds mailing list > Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds _______________________________________________ Curved-dash-olds mailing list Curved-dash-olds@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/curved-dash-olds