From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 23:14:16 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48861A0C75 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 23:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from sonic306-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [66.163.189.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7EDA1882 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 12:09:43 -0600 (MDT) t=1567274983; bh=Cd/V7J3Zsdk1pZ96lpefRBTFGrJZIVVaNENaasKG7Ls=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=hqmQQMz8PRvrbHkNXTNCHS5EyH6Cz+OkPGk+Gi0p59CL7yD6q4V/VKNrXFvf2d6Ac6QF/L3JPuWvDRlU7rP4qDxshSBZbet2S1oHPTiBYloFMrVlF8+Bowuzvho829ULjgGo3SIRbHLz3uZUQwEZFKw0D1jrEWYc2tIRCiGwgTFzobDC3ey3wXZw3DFlnz24IgF/5Um+aViofmuB6SPDneTuVR1ryQMjek5FBUcGGj3zJcz+vqPjMze6CeeZ1tyyol7JJol2PrxMCLRriOry142AYh6apOGPNSE2xg4BelvWW48BZmVwHwGD8BAe+lmWl1yHaPWjkjL0PM7nYTL1YQ== a7DTa5h7.KuzNIcOnkjcXIKku.Hq.ZaF6sXSLFPeh_QI9AVdzjsG8S0MwX7VqNc.9tGkFz2HwQqt uOS2Qu09LS6X2giOaEd3NHwwfPGFrkzqzbqcTuub0DG5qh1akhO1rumsXgmSmPJC24uiq5CIx2k0 Q_rdUCS4wyBsKAVuT_AiNoz0g9OTHMnkWZ8lgiX0ae4G4JQcsCmqhZ38yD9zUI9L9H0WdPz_POFv 53FsZG0tz7kvQKKonjOS_8aRLoj8K8VT16eB3wNg5r8.9OXa40ZM4Lsqj5RocIq5.Hr_n2CI9zPW Vako3UIVlAvS4iOBZtVDQX.9i87N2Tx63ZCmEvpod3ZzkWOckaFMcwaTdVf5DzOM00V6osZK1c36 fs0l0UQpl7mqt88GpWlsTRL9oyBD3o03JKiTmGZe_btT94BSKIQfEWKFti5S9ttU25wZAzHhJaYt NYrxBWfXGr1T_6uJjZlDQbUEJkutec9Ct1Qw9t9HtdFFvu7nI30SDDScpjjRLagmE1d0i4qYBCv. 3zGVEAI6dB6zqfrv.hr1yo1qM3_ACg3U7Ce_l08IwcIKhTq20X_mh7Yi0_yZtjCsVRDz01bzH8Pj 7sW7GpgPFR84vkyIwfH.nGIaVdZk7838e6JN__8vtxO2TkJClLNFefyxzzLwq8KhbeZzvx6W6C5b KEJiZp2RquqqVs2FsmR8HEBStAWBZk23XLg9IRBxbaPKaf5PHt15vGkY28FpBaW1O6H7tSX1DEh9 F1dfquyNwMoewmiXzC2tHtDUvvZUHnzlQcm8QsAZeL05zrxyiRGsPDhb7o4VOQuAwliokYRwwvk7 wEHEH0sNZoFt8s2eTdhqHlsfMqNTlKx6Sia3p.rpG3xAYxe5B.HMqr1TPb9j6b82j3LkYuP9jo.7 _DKzymQr8l6EcAEf_DB3H55aOME4rnrGjj_K86iquc68oCtOX4knlfZuVzI45bLRXA76rIavjrri .bhLT3fC_ODvKqIoK6PTMos2.bYLhUXGPix0iEbFzDOsos2hFI_UUpmQs2vd0B_aRPngxV_raUTT hNZeBHbsNWeFNJPV_Uir.7OOmCK3mZ5vKCHxR5CSZLpOT7KtSyOVgsEPxSeBE7mAGUTwT1PYBNQP 8n3OTbRp6LXfoaQ9q1EENbDhZoJX6j612u2UKlQls5rAHMObn_aoIV3w8Sxqqt8i06lkQrXtpgKN zN1ONpMzXIQBFjTw6CQNDpxgQKyKBGXDZRbMjqF6KxIHv.r71vURM4Ujr17ZzSmCjWJi1 Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:09:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:09:41 +0000 (UTC) To: John Macartney , John Macartney via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>, Andrew Uprichard References: <00ca01d55eaf$a6643350$f32c99f0$@uprichard.net> <1C5BD9B2-40D9-4E47-B09C-26949D2519DC@Ukpips.org.uk> boundary="----=_Part_706763_1665424464.1567274981649" (com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail/5.43.4; Android/7.1.1; NMF26X; j3xlteatt; samsung; SAMSUNG-SM-J320A; 4.83; 1280x720; ) Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI From: Raymond Hatfield via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: Triumphs , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net ------=_Part_706763_1665424464.1567274981649 boundary="----=_Part_706762_1139161996.1567274981552" ------=_Part_706762_1139161996.1567274981552 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jonmac, It's been a long time since I last saw you on here, glad to see you're stil= l doing well. I think this list could ask for no finer resource on all thin= gs Triumph than you. Take care,Raymond.L Hatfield=C2=A0 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android=20 =20 On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 5:49 PM, John Macartney via 6pack<6pack@autox.tea= m.net> wrote: _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack 19@yahoo.com =20 ------=_Part_706762_1139161996.1567274981552 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jonmac,

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He = probably won=E2=80=99t remember me but many years ago, I met him more = than once at GKN Autoparts in the UK. I think he worked for the UK = operation? I was Managing Director of GKN Autoparts International under = Nigel Walker and Jerry Clancy, both of whom he may remember? =20 240brake in a TR250, huh? I hope you do a lot of work in other areas to = ensure the driveline can take that power and torque, and, more = importantly, the brakes are upgraded!!!!! =20 The TR5 isn=E2=80=99t terribly complex in itself but the way the PI = system works is way different to Strombergs. Over the years since the = fuel injected cars have gained in collector popularity, significant = strides have been made in setting them up properly so they run as they = should. Around 2000, when the UK moved over to only unleaded fuel, most = injected car owners had to have major work done on their metering units = and mainly because the unleaded additives were collapsing the original = rubber fuel lines. This led to metering units being reconditioned and = being reset tto original Lucas specs. However, it soon became clear the = settings used by Lucas for when the cars were in production was only the = start of where the adjustments needed to be made. Fitting a new = reconditioned metering unit was one thing but it was soon determined = each engine had differing characteristics and mainly on the vacuum = settings that control the amount of back and forth movement of the = shuttle within the metering spindle. It=E2=80=99s rather a = three-dimensional exercise (and an absolute sod of a job in terms of = unit access to adjust) in getting the vacuum set to suit the individual = car, while also playing with the varying advance curves on the = distributor and synchronising the six throttle butterflies to ensure the = mixture isn=E2=80=99t too weak or too rich across the whole opening = spectrum. This is a detailed exercise the factory could obviously never = do in production, although all the Press cars underwent a detailed check = on a regular basis =E2=80=93 and they were all real = =E2=80=98flyers=E2=80=99. This whole fandango is best achieved on a = rolling road under varying engine loads =E2=80=93 and not too many = enthusiasts have a rolling road near their back door! However, the = bottom line is that once all this is set and locked and you=E2=80=99re = running ONLY on NGK BP6ES plugs, you=E2=80=99ll have a car that will = last a long time without further intervention. If you=E2=80=99re = considering a TR5 from the UK or Europe, my recommendation is you get = Darryl=E2=80=99s guys at Racetorations to do all that work before the = thing is shipped over to you. The only thing to then figure out is what = the effect of the higher levels of ethanol you use in US fuel will have = on running. I think your gas uses far more ethanol than the European = stuff and this could cause issues that will ideally need reviewing once = the car is in the States. =20 As I may have mentioned, my own 2.5PI saloon was power enhanced to UK = police spec for added performance and this meant the power went up from = about 130bhp at the flywheel to around 170bhp. This involved a new = camshaft, a reconditioned metering unit but when first fitted it just = didn=E2=80=99t run as I=E2=80=99d hoped. Once I=E2=80=99d taken it to = the specialist guy who reconditioned the metering unit (and in those = days there were only three companies in the UK) also fitted a Bosch fuel = pump (essential) we spent all day with it on the rolling road and at the = end of things when I was about $500 worse off, the car went like a = rocket. More importantly in the next few years it NEVER went off tune! I = forgot the number of times I frightened myself while driving it but it = sure was money well spent! =20 So, the bottom line here is if anyone desires a Lucas injected car = they=E2=80=99ll have a ball of fun PROVIDING the final fine tuning is = done by someone who fully knows the system and has the skill to get the = best out of it. However, if a US enthusiast just wants TR5 or TR6PI performance, what I = said in my last message is to fit carbs, shaved head, new cam and new = dizzy =E2=80=93 and leave it at that. =20 Good luck =20 Jonmac =20 From: Andrew Uprichard =20 Sent: 31 August 2019 17:44 To: 'John Macartney' Subject: RE: [6pack] Lucas PI =20 Hey, Jonmac =E2=80=93 thank you for your email. The story is never = simple=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. =20 My cousin Darryl Uprichard* owns Racetorations in Gainsborough and is = currently building me an EFI engine (dyno=E2=80=99d around 240bhp) for = my TR250. Should be here by the end of the year. So I will have a = fast-road 250 to go with my Racetorations fast-road small-mouth 3 (and = my stock TR2, TR3B and TR4). I know, it=E2=80=99s getting = crazy=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.. =20 Given I am not a TR6 fan (actually, my wife hates the look of them = =E2=80=93 and she is incredibly supportive), the only thing I could ever = want for is a TR5. It will not be anything like as fast as the = Racetorations TR250, but what a great car to own. But I know nothing = about the Lucas system =E2=80=93 so here we are again. =20 I think Darryl may be sending a mechanic over to the US next year for a = customer out West: if that works out, maybe he could swing by here, = help finish the 250 and maybe even help with the TR5 (if I get it). =20 Too much information? Sorry !! Andrew=20 =20 *our fathers were 2 of 5 brothers, all of whom went to war. Half = returned to N. Ireland after the war, but the others stayed in England, = so I have lots of English cousins, many of whom I have never met. The = only reason I met Darryl was because I bought a TR3 and was then told = =E2=80=9Cyou have a cousin in England who knows a thing or so about = those cars=E2=80=9D !! =20 From: John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk]=20 Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:52 AM To: Andrew Uprichard Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI =20 If all you want is an injected TR performance, I=E2=80=99d do this. Buy = a us spec car. =20 TR5 camshaft, still available in U.K. and a bit better too than the = original. Shave the head to at least 9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a = Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of the SAH 6-3-1 extractor exhaust = manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, you=E2=80=99re there. Ideally, if = the donor car is a late model 6, email Chris Witor in the U.K. for a = 215019 head. These didn=E2=80=99t go to the US but we=E2=80=99re the = best heads of the lot. Chris will confirm this and he=E2=80=99s a = Triumph performance specialist. Goes without saying you=E2=80=99ll need = anoverdrive. J type is ok but A type better imho. You=E2=80=99ll then = have a car that is the injected versions performance equal in every way. = These things are what we do in the U.K. to all 250s and carbed 6s that = find their way back here. Good luck =20 Jonmac Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is = better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard

Hi, Andrew,

 

Next time = you=E2=80=99re in touch with Darryl, pass on my greetings. He probably = won=E2=80=99t remember me but many years ago, I met him more than once = at GKN Autoparts in the UK. I think he worked for the UK operation? I = was Managing Director of GKN Autoparts International under Nigel Walker = and Jerry Clancy, both of whom he may remember?

 

240brake in = a TR250, huh? I hope you do a lot of work in other areas to ensure the = driveline can take that power and torque, and, more importantly, the = brakes are upgraded!!!!!

 

The TR5 = isn=E2=80=99t terribly complex in itself but the way the PI system works = is way different to Strombergs. Over the years since the fuel injected = cars have gained in collector popularity, significant strides have been = made in setting them up properly so they run as they should. Around = 2000, when the UK moved over to only unleaded fuel, most injected car = owners had to have major work done on their metering units and mainly = because the unleaded additives were collapsing the original rubber fuel = lines. This led to metering units being reconditioned and being reset = tto original Lucas specs. However, it soon became clear the settings = used by Lucas for when the cars were in production was only the start of = where the adjustments needed to be made. Fitting a new reconditioned = metering unit was one thing but it was soon determined each engine had = differing characteristics and mainly on the vacuum settings that control = the amount of back and forth movement of the shuttle within the metering = spindle. It=E2=80=99s rather a three-dimensional exercise (and an = absolute sod of a job in terms of unit access to adjust) in getting the = vacuum set to suit the individual car, while also playing with the = varying advance curves on the distributor and synchronising the six = throttle butterflies to ensure the mixture isn=E2=80=99t too weak or = too=C2=A0 rich across the whole opening spectrum. This is a detailed = exercise the factory could obviously never do in production, although = all the Press cars underwent a detailed check on a regular basis = =E2=80=93 and they were all real =E2=80=98flyers=E2=80=99. This whole = fandango is best achieved on a rolling road under varying engine loads = =E2=80=93 and not too many enthusiasts have a rolling road near their = back door! However, the bottom line is that once all this is set and = locked and you=E2=80=99re running ONLY on NGK BP6ES plugs, = you=E2=80=99ll have a car that will last a long time without further = intervention. If you=E2=80=99re considering a TR5 from the UK or Europe, = my recommendation is you get Darryl=E2=80=99s guys at Racetorations to = do all that work before the thing is shipped over to you. The only thing = to then figure out is what the effect of the higher levels of ethanol = you use in US fuel will have on running. I think your gas uses far more = ethanol than the European stuff and this could cause issues that will = ideally need reviewing once the car is in the = States.

 

As I may = have mentioned, my own 2.5PI saloon was power enhanced to UK police spec = for added performance and this meant the power went up from about 130bhp = at the flywheel to around 170bhp. This involved a new camshaft, a = reconditioned metering unit but when first fitted it just didn=E2=80=99t = run as I=E2=80=99d hoped. Once I=E2=80=99d taken it to the specialist = guy who reconditioned the metering unit (and in those days there were = only three companies in the UK) also fitted a Bosch fuel pump = (essential) we spent all day with it on the rolling road and at the end = of things when I was about $500 worse off, the car went like a rocket. = More importantly in the next few years it NEVER went off tune! I forgot = the number of times I frightened myself while driving it but it sure was = money well spent!

 

So, the = bottom line here is if anyone desires a Lucas injected car = they=E2=80=99ll have a ball of fun PROVIDING the final fine tuning is = done by someone who fully knows the system and has the skill to get the = best out of it.

However, if a US enthusiast just = wants TR5 or TR6PI performance, what I said in my last message is to fit = carbs, shaved head, new cam and new dizzy =E2=80=93 and leave it at = that.

 

Good = luck

 

Jonmac

 

From: Andrew Uprichard = <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Sent: 31 August 2019 = 17:44
To: 'John Macartney' = <John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk>
Subject: RE: [6pack] = Lucas PI

 

Hey, Jonmac =E2=80=93 thank you for your = email.  The story is never = simple=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.

 

My cousin Darryl Uprichard* owns = Racetorations in Gainsborough and is currently building me an EFI engine = (dyno=E2=80=99d around 240bhp) for my TR250.  Should be here by the = end of the year.  So I will have a fast-road 250 to go with my = Racetorations fast-road small-mouth 3 (and my stock TR2, TR3B and = TR4).  I know, it=E2=80=99s getting = crazy=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..

 

Given I am not a TR6 fan (actually, my wife = hates the look of them =E2=80=93 and she is incredibly supportive), the = only thing I could ever want for is a TR5.  It will not be anything = like as fast as the Racetorations TR250, but what a great car to = own.  But I know nothing about the Lucas system =E2=80=93 so here = we are again.

 

I think Darryl may be sending a mechanic = over to the US next year for a customer out West:  if that works = out, maybe he could swing by here, help finish the 250 and maybe even = help with the TR5 (if I get it).

 

Too much information?  Sorry = !!

Andrew

 

*our fathers were 2 of 5 brothers, all of = whom went to war.  Half returned to N. Ireland after the war, but = the others stayed in England, so I have lots of English cousins, many of = whom I have never met.  The only reason I met Darryl was because I = bought a TR3 and was then told =E2=80=9Cyou have a cousin in England who = knows a thing or so about those cars=E2=80=9D !!

 

From: John = Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips= .org.uk]
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:52 = AM
To: Andrew Uprichard
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject:
Re: [6pack] Lucas PI

 

If all you want is an injected TR = performance, I=E2=80=99d do this. Buy a us spec = car.

 

TR5 camshaft, still available in = U.K. and a bit better too than the original. Shave the head to at least = 9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of = the SAH 6-3-1 extractor exhaust manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, = you=E2=80=99re there. Ideally, if the donor car is a late model 6, email = Chris Witor in the U.K. for a 215019 head. These didn=E2=80=99t go to = the US but we=E2=80=99re the best heads of the lot. Chris will confirm = this and he=E2=80=99s a Triumph performance specialist. Goes without = saying you=E2=80=99ll need anoverdrive. J type is ok but A type better = imho. You=E2=80=99ll then have a car that is the injected versions = performance equal in every way. These things are what we do in the U.K. = to all 250s and carbed 6s that find their way back here. Good = luck

 

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for = exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the = feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL


On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>= wrote:

Thanks, Jonmac:  I don=E2=80=99t have = the car yet =E2=80=93 and in fact am still going back-and-forth about = whether to buy it.  I=E2=80=99ll keep you posted = !

Andrew

 

From: John = Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips= .org.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 = PM
To: Andrew Uprichard
Cc: Triumphs; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subje= ct: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI

 

Can I help? Did the Lucas Service = course, thefactory service course and owned a saloon with the pi engine = to full U.K. police performance spec. Doubt you=E2=80=99ll find too many = in the US with experience of the system. PI cars were never sold in = North America in the day, though a very small number have snuck in since = then. A word of advice. If you=E2=80=99re tempted to fiddle with the PI = system, put everything you=E2=80=99ve learned about carbed cars entirely = to one side. The Lucas system is a whole different ball game with very = unique rules. That said, it=E2=80=99s a great setup but you need to know = what you=E2=80=99re doing before you = start:)

 

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for = exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the = feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL


On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack = <6pack@autox.team.net> = wrote:

Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas = PI system?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, = Michigan

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On Aug 29, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.ne= Wow. Tough question. No clue. Good luck. On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:21 PM Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.= Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system? Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack dsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack n@hotmail.com --_000_MWHPR06MB2798399CCB22C049A4F0D898C6B90MWHPR06MB2798namp_ Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Used to be Kinsler - google kinsl= er.com 
No clue if they are still the only game in town though.


On Aug 29, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Richard Lindsay via 6pack <= 6pack@autox.team.net= > wrote:

Wow. Tough question. No clue. Good luck.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:21 PM Andrew = Uprichard via 6pack <= 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the= Lucas PI system?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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Regarding drive train, all these cars were par= ts shelf engineered, so they probably ran the same gearbox and differential= that came in the TR6 from the factory (I verified the case and gears for t= he saloon are the same as TR6, but some external stuff is slightly differen= t). Any issues that the initial design didn't address properly can be easil= y fixed. For example, in braking (the TR6), the factory rear wheel cylinder= s can be swapped for bigger (.750 is stock, .812 or .875 are swap-in upgrad= es) and you will get better balance front to rear and better stopping power= . As with anything, there's a trade off for the upgrade, but it's an easy u= pgrade and if you know how to drive, a good upgrade. If you don't know how = to drive, you'll learn about spinning out your TR6. ;-) But the point is, t= he initial parts on these ares are pretty adequate. A lot of the perception about reliability of these cars is based on the fal= se premise of inadequate parts. On the contrary, there are many aspects tha= t are over-engineered. The reliability issues are more likely due to improp= er maintenance than anything. I see this all the time. My opinion is based on 50 years of TR6 ownership and my cars see pretty har= d use at times. So, maybe there are magic part numbers out there for the copper cars, but c= hances are that they just used the next heftier parts on the shelf to creat= e more over-over-engineered cars. Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 6:10:00 PM EDT, Yahoo via 6pack <6pack@a= utox.team.net> wrote: =20 =20 Hello Jonmac.=C2=A0 I dont know much about the saloons, but presume they s= hared parts with the TRs.=C2=A0 =C2=A0What did the factory do for brake and= drivetrain upgrades when they built 170 hp police spec sal=C3=B2ons?=C2=A0= =C2=A0Cheers.=C2=A0 Bruce Simms 73 tr6 with hs6 and rest of your list of= =C2=A0 upgrades Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android____________________________________________= ___ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack r6@yahoo.com =20 ------=_Part_1388452_331461155.1567596703604 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi - Unless = you run your Triumph REALLY HARD, the stock brakes are more than adequate f= or street duty. Regarding drive train, all these cars were parts shelf engi= neered, so they probably ran the same gearbox and differential that came in= the TR6 from the factory (I verified the case and gears for the saloon are= the same as TR6, but some external stuff is slightly different). Any issue= s that the initial design didn't address properly can be easily fixed. For = example, in braking (the TR6), the factory rear wheel cylinders can be swap= ped for bigger (.750 is stock, .812 or .875 are swap-in upgrades) and you w= ill get better balance front to rear and better stopping power. As with any= thing, there's a trade off for the upgrade, but it's an easy upgrade and if= you know how to drive, a good upgrade. If you don't know how to drive, you= 'll learn about spinning out your TR6. ;-) But the point is, the initial pa= rts on these ares are pretty adequate.

A lot of the p= erception about reliability of these cars is based on the false premise of = inadequate parts. On the contrary, there are many aspects that are over-eng= ineered. The reliability issues are more likely due to improper maintenance= than anything. I see this all the time.

My opinion i= s based on 50 years of TR6 ownership and my cars see pretty hard use at tim= es.

So, maybe there are magic part numbers out there for = the copper cars, but chances are that they just used the next heftier parts= on the shelf to create more over-over-engineered cars.

R= egards,
Bob Lang
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On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 6:10:00 PM EDT, Yahoo vi= a 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:


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Sat, 7 Sep 2019 20:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f51.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81FAA0C45 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 7 Sep 2019 20:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f51.google.com with SMTP id d25so21268713iob.6 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 07 Sep 2019 19:10:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WRxtXopUdLekEC+lr5vBmA5xtX9ywiZC0nqpy53DPXw=; b=GgSK3uUvuwp0OMMFlJJ1Phzc0FnQ+7ooPxqr0qRYM+GEmTxfw7TIM0SWFvqSLuooDR 0B3EuUOA19Kraux+ifqooMcEISE+kN4y1w7hN+KKwm+H67sB0T0IdofV5U7nySTScRnM jI/JAYuJnhkzVp4u9pnqAU3uwYkA7gBs9p6TQkG02SABNvWVmT+w0Paim9WL2vwidg8C dy/nUnZVi7W7LrUOsjOzmT5qkIjq3TGScNGzp2S7OSTgDceTudebDAYXwGwmhhRWPOyw yLpdJJokAjCIOXh699l11LRw3RCRuxVYerJtf7s8Dd6OlmnJyVgfPd9+OxzgyFWQ3eQr vmRw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WRxtXopUdLekEC+lr5vBmA5xtX9ywiZC0nqpy53DPXw=; b=Mm2phuxH3qhBuB9jYY11rSEur+dr1Zf1UZQ/OuKiy22vAVfXf4EFZyetusXzs+/41N HjgW25C0aEhHAkST8a/l5+JohgXO7fZK4LAeZvGwSc0Yy/IRGIzoP88F/2Rvx5NkF8er uUTUIvRhkoQ0vRvaSdsPBFcZZRy/VNGGK3RR/yTizpTKxb3wzrgOYMzuYFdHYHGPKBD9 9bdS0dEH8GS6gPInbUQLgIvrYuyoFoLdezeYzWxYIWo9yFduC34/5OOW5rtDZxo7Hs3y ZVGYnxV1mrFNl2tzu49HkEnJ5dUA/RX1KpfrUQkVsV8XfNqi3y5YLq7qHLxP2/mmFlcQ TVGQ== 6MwWlTYLOoAO0+5yH8XBjvNa5uNfB/+pWej0tOgKOg== Sat, 07 Sep 2019 19:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 21:09:52 -0500 To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Update, and OT report From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6931789778206651755== --0000000000005378e40592012b8b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Friends, A little over a week ago the battery in my LBC exploded, showering me with acid and leaving me deafened. Cutting to the chase: I received no acid burns, thanks to stripping down and dousing myself with water, followed by a proper shower a few minutes later. Partial hearing returned after 10-15 minutes but is still limited and accompanied by a buzzing ring in one ear. I am under a doctor's care and will know more as my ears heal. The car has been cleaned, decontaminated, and repainted where necessary. A new battery is now installed but not yet connected. I want to clean the connectors again before they go on. My '85 Maserati Biturbo is at the independent mechanic where the turbos are being cleaned, oil hoses replaced, and a new fuel pump and filter will go in. Today the E-Type got new connectors on all the V12's harness wires. And tomorrow, the car will get new thermostats and coolant. Testing revealed that coolant exiting the engine's left bank was 180=C2= =B0F while that exiting the right bank was 160=C2=B0F. The implication is that sometime along the car's history, one of the thermostats was replaced with a wrong value unit. New 160=C2=B0 hot climate thermostats go in tomorrow, b= oth banks, followed by refilling with 50:50 antifreeze concentrate, and distilled water. Yea, more information than anyone needs...and mostly off topic. Rick, in Houston --0000000000005378e40592012b8b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Friends,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0A little= over a week ago the battery in my LBC exploded, showering me with acid and= leaving me deafened.=C2=A0 Cutting to the chase: I received no acid burns,= thanks to stripping down and dousing myself with water, followed by a prop= er shower a few minutes later.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Partial hearing returned after 10-15 minutes but i= s still limited and accompanied by a buzzing ring in one ear. I am under a = doctor's care and will know more as my ears heal.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The car has been cleaned, d= econtaminated, and repainted where necessary. A new battery is now installe= d but not yet connected. I want to clean the connectors again before they g= o on.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= My '85 Maserati Biturbo is at the independent mechanic where the turbos= are being cleaned, oil hoses replaced, and a new fuel pump and filter will= go in.=C2=A0
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Today the E-Type got new connectors on all the V12's harness = wires. And tomorrow, the car will get new thermostats and coolant.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Testing reveal= ed that coolant exiting the engine's left bank was 180=C2=B0F while tha= t exiting the right bank was 160=C2=B0F. The implication is that sometime a= long the car's history, one of the thermostats was replaced with a wron= g value unit. New 160=C2=B0 hot climate thermostats go in tomorrow, both ba= nks, followed by refilling with 50:50 antifreeze concentrate, and distilled= water.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0Yea, more information than anyone needs...and mostly off topic.

Rick, in Houston
--0000000000005378e40592012b8b-- --===============6931789778206651755== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============6931789778206651755==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 8 06:16:18 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36891A03D9 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 06:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f52.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026DAA09D3 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 06:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f52.google.com with SMTP id n197so22588455iod.9 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 05:14:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RjpYsqA2E2RkCnnDJduzLgublXVhsp0ZdTYW5VxA6Yg=; b=qZ6NRdTFfuJ/XpTEVv2KSA6Dao8DxsTo18XlXq8LHaMjvUWymtp1pheHfUMtyU9bn9 DqDVyaAmNGgNKzaltImRMhq86/kG2b/l7ecbpyAGwHotKOBo4ux5FppDbHrXxOYZEmgM CzQcsH74B0yr81a/RCkH7yhAWbCs3Cj7JrK1wSQayxT5BNGQDWQ+TYcmswx1krjZJkUt VyHWFLgAw5EQ5e3OknVM1XLrW88a1L8ovFQqVfFEw6tZ5KqdoAapmQLuHWyQh3TRgotQ +4HdgMQq4GKUaFAM2LAhMhO34MKVyUVhAssfw9npb5TxVOaUmkvedtEOZsOdAAqmLPKT yX4w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RjpYsqA2E2RkCnnDJduzLgublXVhsp0ZdTYW5VxA6Yg=; b=TxsiRBEfU1BaCC3nid4pY/vOBXoZ29OGt8vU6NRWGoaU1IXTis25VlL/K4K+JaKuaK nCHM7i1bEQXAyUNCgzuAkjFv9L2FUBCIREE9IFrJKThalAXDa9s02q7+Qtqwc3N1dE3h 2IHe/s8YGF1qYEH/gOiK5pCrP2/rpgMkHITQRbizhofbCzCPNa6tcgS9Qbbp+fxI7pi8 LXypWXIgvLclliCLwQ9vMKsRwHE/vnq/7PuU18KSAVvsjrmSlRQl2ItayJ79EX4XLtt2 vFC0403SJA3VabMfujUiD+eQ4sSFvyuHIJpqUcMBWuKV87idTFbJP/EcnG3/Qu98FsjX p7cg== TwORRrEwKQYGgxLuZBSDE0zPOnT2WcEEpFLUc/k= Sun, 08 Sep 2019 05:14:32 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 08:14:35 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay Subject: Re: [6pack] Update, and OT report From: Larry Griffin via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7661808060480411144== --00000000000026d4bd0592099d38 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, that is so scary Rick! Glad you didn't get any acid burns due to your quick actions. Hopefully your hearing will continue to improve. Take care, Larry 71 TR6, Raleigh On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:10 PM Richard Lindsay via 6pack < 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Hello Friends, > A little over a week ago the battery in my LBC exploded, showering me > with acid and leaving me deafened. Cutting to the chase: I received no > acid burns, thanks to stripping down and dousing myself with water, > followed by a proper shower a few minutes later. > Partial hearing returned after 10-15 minutes but is still limited and > accompanied by a buzzing ring in one ear. I am under a doctor's care and > will know more as my ears heal. > The car has been cleaned, decontaminated, and repainted where > necessary. A new battery is now installed but not yet connected. I want t= o > clean the connectors again before they go on. > My '85 Maserati Biturbo is at the independent mechanic where the turbo= s > are being cleaned, oil hoses replaced, and a new fuel pump and filter wil= l > go in. > Today the E-Type got new connectors on all the V12's harness wires. An= d > tomorrow, the car will get new thermostats and coolant. > Testing revealed that coolant exiting the engine's left bank was 180= =C2=B0F > while that exiting the right bank was 160=C2=B0F. The implication is that > sometime along the car's history, one of the thermostats was replaced wit= h > a wrong value unit. New 160=C2=B0 hot climate thermostats go in tomorrow,= both > banks, followed by refilling with 50:50 antifreeze concentrate, and > distilled water. > Yea, more information than anyone needs...and mostly off topic. > > Rick, in Houston > > --00000000000026d4bd0592099d38 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow, that is so scary Rick! Glad you didn'= ;t get any acid burns due to your quick actions. Hopefully your hearing wil= l continue to improve.=C2=A0

Take care,
Larry
71 TR6, Raleigh

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:10 PM Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Hello Friends,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0A little over a week ago the batte= ry in my LBC exploded, showering me with acid and leaving me deafened.=C2= =A0 Cutting to the chase: I received no acid burns, thanks to stripping dow= n and dousing myself with water, followed by a proper shower a few minutes = later.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0Partial hearing returned after 10-15 minutes but is still limited and ac= companied by a buzzing ring in one ear. I am under a doctor's care and = will know more as my ears heal.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The car has been cleaned, decontaminated, and rep= ainted where necessary. A new battery is now installed but not yet connecte= d. I want to clean the connectors again before they go on.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0My '85 Maserati Bi= turbo is at the independent mechanic where the turbos are being cleaned, oi= l hoses replaced, and a new fuel pump and filter will go in.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Today the E-Ty= pe got new connectors on all the V12's harness wires. And tomorrow, the= car will get new thermostats and coolant.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Testing revealed that coolant exiting = the engine's left bank was 180=C2=B0F while that exiting the right bank= was 160=C2=B0F. The implication is that sometime along the car's histo= ry, one of the thermostats was replaced with a wrong value unit. New 160=C2= =B0 hot climate thermostats go in tomorrow, both banks, followed by refilli= ng with 50:50 antifreeze concentrate, and distilled water.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Yea, more information = than anyone needs...and mostly off topic.

Rick, in Houston

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I hope you feel better soon. John Cyg 70 Damson CC52927LO _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 00:56:51 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D442A0A3B for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 00:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nervenetwebhosting.co.uk (unknown [46.37.191.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1C0A1B27; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 06:06:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DESKTOP4D5SDSV (host86-128-67-16.range86-128.btcentralplus.com [86.128.67.16]) by nervenetwebhosting.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D6791485BA; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:06:29 +0100 (BST) Authentication-Results: nervenetwebhosting.co.uk; spf=pass (sender IP is 86.128.67.16) smtp.mailfrom=john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk smtp.helo=DESKTOP4D5SDSV Received-SPF: pass (nervenetwebhosting.co.uk: connection is authenticated) To: , "'John Macartney via 6pack'" <6pack@autox.team.net>, "'Andrew Uprichard'" References: <00ca01d55eaf$a6643350$f32c99f0$@uprichard.net> <1C5BD9B2-40D9-4E47-B09C-26949D2519DC@Ukpips.org.uk> <1516941180.706764.1567274981649@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:06:28 +0100 Organization: UKPIPS Ltd Thread-Index: AQETnoCOEFrkMYhJjYImfPVH7pfLLQKRsH/WAmBYEmGoddC7oA== Content-Language: en-gb Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI From: John Macartney via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: 'Triumphs' Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1856916190858282441== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01D56258.665F1890" Content-Language: en-gb This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01D56258.665F1890 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Raymond =20 Great to hear from you again but the generous accolade is I feel perhaps = a little misplaced? =20 I somehow dropped off the 6Pack email list some years back and = periodically received the odd message and it seems some who I remember = from the older(?) triumphs@autox had migrated, so thought I=E2=80=99d = better tag along too.=20 =20 I=E2=80=99m now entirely Triumph-less as I live in the middle of a very = old English town in a house that was built long before the days of the = car. No garage or chance of obtaining one in which to keep a classic car = and I=E2=80=99ve now reached a stage in life where getting my hands = filthy and crawling around under an old car for pleasure has very = limited appeal. Good food, good wine and the company of interesting = ladies of a similar age has far more appeal and come 9.00pm, = it=E2=80=99s getting near my bedtime=F0=9F=98=8A =20 Keep the posts coming. I read them all. =20 Cheers, Jonmac =20 From: Raymond Hatfield =20 Sent: 31 August 2019 19:10 To: John Macartney ; John Macartney via = 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>; Andrew Uprichard = Cc: Triumphs ; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI =20 Hello Jonmac, =20 It's been a long time since I last saw you on here, glad to see you're = still doing well. I think this list could ask for no finer resource on = all things Triumph than you. =20 Take care, Raymond.L Hatfield=20 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android = =20 =20 On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 5:49 PM, John Macartney via 6pack _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/iron_horse819@yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01D56258.665F1890 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Raymond

 

Great to = hear from you again but the generous accolade is I feel perhaps a little = misplaced?

 

I somehow = dropped off the 6Pack email list some years back and periodically = received the odd message and it seems some who I remember from the = older(?) triumphs@autox had migrated, so thought I=E2=80=99d better tag = along too.

 

I=E2=80=99m = now entirely Triumph-less as I live in the middle of a very old English = town in a house that was built long before the days of the car. No = garage or chance of obtaining one in which to keep a classic car and = I=E2=80=99ve now reached a stage in life where getting my hands filthy = and crawling around under an old car for pleasure has very limited = appeal. Good food, good wine and the company of interesting ladies of a = similar age has far more appeal and come 9.00pm, it=E2=80=99s getting = near my bedtime😊

 

Keep the = posts coming. I read them all.

 

Cheers, = Jonmac

 

From: Raymond Hatfield <iron_horse819@yahoo.com> =
Sent: 31 August 2019 19:10
To: John Macartney = <John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk>; John Macartney via 6pack = <6pack@autox.team.net>; Andrew Uprichard = <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Cc: Triumphs = <Triumphs@autox.team.net>; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: = Re: [6pack] Lucas PI

 

Hello = Jonmac,

 

It's been a long time since I last saw you on here, = glad to see you're still doing well. I think this list could ask for no = finer resource on all things Triumph than you.

 

Take care,

Raymond.L = Hatfield 

 

On Thu, Aug 29, = 2019 at 5:49 PM, John Macartney via = 6pack

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01D56258.665F1890-- --===============1856916190858282441== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============1856916190858282441==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 07:04:29 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9841EA08F0 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 07:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f50.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52337A0AA8 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 07:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f50.google.com with SMTP id d17so15346541ios.13 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 06:04:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=c7pOFYC4Cf/g8I8xay4AdrrdfOSVuDCDYl6r5kkQFVU=; b=FawKLMb2fXZDjxbD8xPVL+/JL2MvknKMdSjfpXfFkpf8le9C8nZEqeJt9I7j5/cBKL pM3KsE86mcxJw6iYop5E/k8p+WVS2cGsy9+VmEft9h5/g8t8/LiLgmW+GNT1ZS3mEdMS wAznkYV9mPtqpb+zrNlGcJr+4XpmsM6F8SnDvBFHpGF4lIgg1hcY3TDpsR1v7xHeYG6u VKbFZVcHW0WcdaPJrCBP+Ch45MDHhND37nUvsq/IomkPrFFqFrhWZNhwVbdnmkH4L+Kt PX8zsS622De93Hp2bAzag1zeSWPCVsJxKCg8bPXU6FKWYMveh4Kox8MLPiBoZmijpnhd 00Og== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=c7pOFYC4Cf/g8I8xay4AdrrdfOSVuDCDYl6r5kkQFVU=; b=OMi+OtCFAr8pIWj9U9/VKMdvi+VE7wDZanWfpIjd85dm5Ig8RSf81ZDDZ5aoBWMhhw DW0CAyCA3capK1H7CMaTWlgRVHuSngkkP3gNYMj36BnrwwyQPVez2SEwqDxjDbPomXlQ tAr8soNTavaMjjSBiEO8lnI3XKX/hBWwwDoqYWD8Xen/wIKXa0bbu/b8Yp2vnBdhofWZ OEdeOn9MW7T/8uTqEa8Vvr0WhLxtb+cqTWihjmnd7jk+/VlBoRO71T1ku6y0vUqNd3pp VkrIjH9lqBtHNb/56g4pd4yHRrmOUpL6bY9PsmXYHelfNFsvuorpRuOWxfBX2KmyGJ/k y7ug== udNbllYDTuMcpmXxU+sG8xd+N3pt5XEy8rtvCgdVHg== Tue, 10 Sep 2019 06:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:03:51 -0500 To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Too quiet... From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5886958364478191128== --000000000000d891f305923289f5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good day Friends, Its too quiet here so I will share a little OT noise. My Jaguar E-Type's V12 now has a freshly installed 160=C2=B0F, hot climate thermostat...on the right cylinder bank. Today I will replace the thermostat on the left bank. Here's the back-story. While servicing the car a few days ago I measured the thermostat housings with an IR thermometer. The left bank measured about 180=C2=B0F wh= ile the right bank measured 160=C2=B0F. The difference could be attributed to a number of things but Occam's Razor says that the more likely reason is different value thermostats installed. Upon servicing the right bank, I discovered a thermostat marked ' 74 '. That's 165=C2=B0F, just (about) what the IR thermometer read. A new 160=C2= =B0 thermostat is now installed. http://aubard.us/73_Jaguar/20190909_180528.jpg I fully expect to find an old 180=C2=B0 thermostat installed in the left bank. Of course there is another possibility. The installed thermostat could be damaged and opening only partially. If so, the temperature on that bank would read higher, but 180=C2=B0? Precisely the temperature of a mild climate thermostat? I don't like coincidences and doubt this one too. However, today will tell when I remove the old thermostat. Actually, that last statement is only partially true. If a 180=C2=B0 thermostat is removed, all will be as expected. If however, a 160=C2=B0 thermostat is removed, the exact mechanism for 20=C2=B0 hotter coolant exit= ing the this bank will remain a mystery. But before any of that fun work can begin there are a couple of items in the queue ahead of it. I plan to exercise all of the other cars while its a bit cooler outside then stop by the shop to see if the mechanic has made progress on the Maserati. And the TR6 sits quietly awaiting its turn at the paint shop. Rick --000000000000d891f305923289f5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good day Friends,<= /span>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Its t= oo quiet here so I will share a little OT noise. My Jaguar E-Type's V12= now has a freshly installed 160=C2=B0F, hot climate thermostat...on the ri= ght cylinder bank. Today I will replace the thermostat on the left bank. He= re's the back-story.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0While servicing the car a few days ago I measured the th= ermostat housings with an IR thermometer. The left bank measured about 180= =C2=B0F while the right bank measured 160=C2=B0F. The difference could be a= ttributed to a number of things but Occam's Razor says that the more li= kely reason is different value thermostats installed.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Upon servicing the right ba= nk, I discovered a thermostat marked ' 74 '. That's 165=C2=B0F,= just (about) what the IR thermometer read. A new 160=C2=B0 thermostat is n= ow installed.

<= /div>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0= I fully expect to find an old 180=C2=B0 thermostat installed in the left ba= nk. Of course there is another possibility. The installed thermostat could = be damaged and opening only partially. If so, the temperature on that bank = would read higher, but 180=C2=B0? Precisely the temperature of a mild clima= te thermostat? I don't like coincidences and doubt this one too. Howeve= r, today will tell when I remove the old thermostat.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Actually, that last statemen= t is only partially true. If a 180=C2=B0 thermostat is removed, all will be= as expected. If however, a 160=C2=B0 thermostat is removed, the exact mech= anism for 20=C2=B0 hotter coolant exiting the this bank will remain a myste= ry.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0But before any= of that fun work can begin there are a couple of items in the queue ahead = of it. I plan to exercise all of the other cars while its a bit cooler outs= ide then stop by the shop to see if the mechanic has made progress on the M= aserati. And the TR6 sits quietly awaiting its turn at the paint shop.

Rick
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I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here.

I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am back (sorry).  The TR6 was off the road for several years after a pending major frame failure was discovered.  As much as I would LOVE to get a RATCO frame I don't LOVE it  6G's worth.  A local club member who happens to be a fitter/welder by trade offered to rework my frame so I disassembled the car and took the frame to him and after 7 months or so he rebuilt the main frame rails from about the mid point right to the rear of the car.  He also reinforced notorious week points such as the diff mounts and the attach points for the (aftermarket) rear sway bar.  He also handed me a 3-lb bag of rust scale he extracted from inside the frame.

I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air and removed some more rust, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastwood's frame rustproofing kit (I think I used two of them), painted the frame with POR15 (Note: POR15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint) and reassembled the car.

I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a picture.  I installed the LF suspension and took a pic.  I installed the RF suspension and took a pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering rack and took a pic... (you get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence of pictures of the car coming together.

The car has been on the road for a year now and so far I have 1) blown the diff and 2) blew a head gasket.  I drove this car for nearly 2 decades with nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out.  Keep in mind that this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is no slouch.

Dave

------=_Part_3359801_661587024.1568123639912-- --===============7559410972302792760== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============7559410972302792760==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 08:26:17 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3590CA0897 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:26:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f48.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19CDA07F3 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f48.google.com with SMTP id f4so37201473ion.2 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 07:24:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IJ+kuzDh/VsrLjpnkvCsR9iVapW9dacY7l17k01Kr+4=; b=MTnUPwAFnXTbahSzguSWx08xkYQGlg4JBn2raHnBzTQMZvSzqdPcY6DSYR7ofFqCDy xuaqZYvosTuz9p+VYd8J3VO1lkMAwe5zvvmurHVRCUh/w4gZ0Ao0gFKKnYWWAHuUv1Rk JPqb8LpwHrkJEKzjaOyWn8tmwNWCCz/AengiZFf7cQHo3Rp9opyUepKfoPHQ8uzjLnmO REOveCsdphaszEGXk19bWqOHdoWAi2XEQNHPfzxfPnfDrC9sWa0CZ9cYr5aQPJpeK755 jkc4BX5732Kl0veFQL7LWE5FkvZm5F/L6PMK9O+aS8KgzlEOrW22plhK6X6rfaK5Z97M u46Q== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IJ+kuzDh/VsrLjpnkvCsR9iVapW9dacY7l17k01Kr+4=; b=gOySoTCc7OjycjduBCiXkaQZjYNVkHyJBzfGImUn4XxlC4OVr2IXNYz0Zh0T2Bl8Vq nAbOi+AHd61YjUxBiduilbEpvwPrvbSTWov7rGa7xJT1I6JhJG46561q5VVq2dVHVgR+ L0Q0ytvRP4dbqWRHllVitHyBm98Ib1UPVoQJHqlOf2CZ0jAGAyLBsA/bYFqbPPcYDMsx GT1qpz+W2XQmdtoETgtAZf2cyNYOC6W3obpB3yD45Rw3Vv+ug/J4kB4JpkNeX/YfrErh sGZN1oaqsHhfFGhlX2X6KmbIUH+UVq73gfqKL26zO61k0gv1FEDVM4aQBHMAvQjHmbx+ zbaw== G9k2NBEnC7ZYH/VjAMy5QkhgqsmHoDueExRr92/KRw== Tue, 10 Sep 2019 07:24:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <1695358295.3359802.1568123639913.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1695358295.3359802.1568123639913@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 09:24:31 -0500 To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2083797012473008689== --0000000000005f63af059233aa6c Awesome report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to connect the new battery in my TR6 project. But when I got to the shop (20 minute drive) I realized that I had left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminated, and refinished parts on the home garage workbench. So alas, another day delay but the other cars did get their exercise. Headed back home now to replace that other thermostat... Rick On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here. > > I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am back (sorry). The TR6 > was off the road for several years after a pending major frame failure was > discovered. As much as I would LOVE to get a RATCO frame I don't LOVE it > 6G's worth. A local club member who happens to be a fitter/welder by trade > offered to rework my frame so I disassembled the car and took the frame to > him and after 7 months or so he rebuilt the main frame rails from about the > mid point right to the rear of the car. He also reinforced notorious week > points such as the diff mounts and the attach points for the (aftermarket) > rear sway bar. He also handed me a 3-lb bag of rust scale he extracted > from inside the frame. > > I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air and removed some more > rust, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastwood's frame > rustproofing kit (I think I used two of them), painted the frame with POR15 > (Note: POR15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint) and reassembled > the car. > > I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a picture. I installed the > LF suspension and took a pic. I installed the RF suspension and took a > pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering rack and took a pic... (you > get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence of pictures of the car > coming together. > > The car has been on the road for a year now and so far I have 1) blown the > diff and 2) blew a head gasket. I drove this car for nearly 2 decades with > nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out. Keep in mind that this car > has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is no slouch. > > Dave > --0000000000005f63af059233aa6c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Awesome report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to con= nect the new battery in my TR6 project. But when I got to the shop (20 minu= te drive) I realized that I had left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminate= d, and refinished parts on the home garage workbench. So alas, another day = delay but the other cars did get their exercise. Headed back home now to re= place that other thermostat...

Rick

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack = <6pack@autox.team.net> wr= ote:
I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here.

I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am b= ack (sorry).=C2=A0 The TR6 was off the road for several years after a pendi= ng major frame failure was discovered.=C2=A0 As much as I would LOVE to get= a RATCO frame I don't LOVE it=C2=A0 6G's worth.=C2=A0 A local club= member who happens to be a fitter/welder by trade offered to rework my fra= me so I disassembled the car and took the frame to him and after 7 months o= r so he rebuilt the main frame rails from about the mid point right to the = rear of the car.=C2=A0 He also reinforced notorious week points such as the= diff mounts and the attach points for the (aftermarket) rear sway bar.=C2= =A0 He also handed me a 3-lb bag of rust scale he extracted from inside the= frame.

I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air an= d removed some more rust, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastw= ood's frame rustproofing kit (I think I used two of them), painted the = frame with POR15 (Note: POR15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint= ) and reassembled the car.

I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a pict= ure.=C2=A0 I installed the LF suspension and took a pic.=C2=A0 I installed = the RF suspension and took a pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering r= ack and took a pic... (you get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence o= f pictures of the car coming together.

The car has been on the road for a year now and so fa= r I have 1) blown the diff and 2) blew a head gasket.=C2=A0 I drove this ca= r for nearly 2 decades with nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out.= =C2=A0 Keep in mind that this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pi= ke's Peak so it is no slouch.

Dave=C2=A0
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Hi,

Check out this video of Henry Frye and I dic= ing at Watkins Glen:

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Turn up the volume!!

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Regards,
Bob Lang
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From: DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1628439356876406111== boundary="----=_Part_3437835_622840600.1568135078850" ------=_Part_3437835_622840600.1568135078850 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hear you.=C2=A0 I have another project (TR8) in a garage about 12 miles = from home and I forget how many times I arrived there with 3/4 of the parts= /tools I needed.=C2=A0 This project has been stalled so long I forget where= I put some of the parts.=C2=A0 I lost one thinking that if I get a replace= ment the original will show up (as per usual)but so far no=C2=A0 show. Cheers =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. Awesome report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to connect the new battery in= my TR6 project. But when I got to the shop (20 minute drive) I realized th= at I had left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminated, and refinished parts= on the home garage workbench. So alas, another day delay but the other car= s did get their exercise. Headed back home now to replace that other thermo= stat... Rick On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>= wrote: I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here. I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am back (sorry).=C2=A0 The= TR6 was off the road for several years after a pending major frame failure= was discovered.=C2=A0 As much as I would LOVE to get a RATCO frame I don't= LOVE it=C2=A0 6G's worth.=C2=A0 A local club member who happens to be a fi= tter/welder by trade offered to rework my frame so I disassembled the car a= nd took the frame to him and after 7 months or so he rebuilt the main frame= rails from about the mid point right to the rear of the car.=C2=A0 He also= reinforced notorious week points such as the diff mounts and the attach po= ints for the (aftermarket) rear sway bar.=C2=A0 He also handed me a 3-lb ba= g of rust scale he extracted from inside the frame. I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air and removed some more ru= st, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastwood's frame rustproofi= ng kit (I think I used two of them), painted the frame with POR15 (Note: PO= R15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint) and reassembled the car. I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a picture.=C2=A0 I installed= the LF suspension and took a pic.=C2=A0 I installed the RF suspension and = took a pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering rack and took a pic... = (you get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence of pictures of the car = coming together. The car has been on the road for a year now and so far I have 1) blown the = diff and 2) blew a head gasket.=C2=A0 I drove this car for nearly 2 decades= with nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out.=C2=A0 Keep in mind th= at this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is no = slouch. =20 Dave=C2=A0 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com ------=_Part_3437835_622840600.1568135078850 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hear you.  I have another project (TR8) in a = garage about 12 miles from home and I forget how many times I arrived there= with 3/4 of the parts/tools I needed.  This project has been stalled = so long I forget where I put some of the parts.  I lost one thinking t= hat if I get a replacement the original will show up (as per usual)but so f= ar no  show.

Cheers


Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet.

Awesome report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to connect the new batte= ry in my TR6 project. But when I got to the shop (20 minute drive) I realiz= ed that I had left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminated, and refinished = parts on the home garage workbench. So alas, another day delay but the othe= r cars did get their exercise. Headed back home now to replace that other t= hermostat...

Rick

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:= 54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <= 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here.

I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am b= ack (sorry).  The TR6 was off the road for several years after a pendi= ng major frame failure was discovered.  As much as I would LOVE to get= a RATCO frame I don't LOVE it  6G's worth.  A local club member = who happens to be a fitter/welder by trade offered to rework my frame so I = disassembled the car and took the frame to him and after 7 months or so he = rebuilt the main frame rails from about the mid point right to the rear of = the car.  He also reinforced notorious week points such as the diff mo= unts and the attach points for the (aftermarket) rear sway bar.  He al= so handed me a 3-lb bag of rust scale he extracted from inside the frame.

I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air an= d removed some more rust, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastw= ood's frame rustproofing kit (I think I used two of them), painted the fram= e with POR15 (Note: POR15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint) an= d reassembled the car.

I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a pict= ure.  I installed the LF suspension and took a pic.  I installed = the RF suspension and took a pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering r= ack and took a pic... (you get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence o= f pictures of the car coming together.

The car has been on the road for a year now and so fa= r I have 1) blown the diff and 2) blew a head gasket.  I drove this ca= r for nearly 2 decades with nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out.=   Keep in mind that this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pi= ke's Peak so it is no slouch.

Dave 
------=_Part_3437835_622840600.1568135078850-- --===============1628439356876406111== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============1628439356876406111==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 12:27:09 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AB1A07EC for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f51.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A35BA07C6 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:26:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f51.google.com with SMTP id r26so39681406ioh.8 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:26:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u3LWksFz8/D04O/LAT3hQgnAoLzRl3Hd79Mw8WJo9b0=; b=n1bogiz+SdpF5ZDXVLloNkkoKdvKIR2b6+0LLKHUrDDU+QHuKLFpjXF80UN5yiDo73 TE8f7F40Aa1jZcCCBX271YikGi3VmGHQECp+hf7RCPwoWszkqWJ7wPb/nTl4AcJOFpE8 SGuBYRjcfAFJ3SiObbs8Es6CZLxVILip7YhX5mbc/y8x5AdjMgy6pL/v9Tkyb7xhY6dH QbJfDW+BHluA6fdqYpJiZYWc2ijEdvqoUJINiIKRXYuxg61Mr1qrz8O/Rn+rl4NMLPh8 aNbN/8p05I955lVVsRHNx4yD9iCWLbWgnXEpgFa6za1ETvbm8v5EqJMS4lHihykkdz8+ EdyQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u3LWksFz8/D04O/LAT3hQgnAoLzRl3Hd79Mw8WJo9b0=; b=ZBSL2Tlop2aOhkOZr4iH4sJ9JdjYF5kQq9ifc6HxpDX5hQnhwQ83fKAWrzhTi85tQg muehVAoL4lS4iLKInWNgOU4/RY2UEt6DdFC0RG0KdHqT+ZOMwL6uImwdv3iy6N9XtGwN 8s1HyKxsawGfyQ4jEyL30YetjPQvGqe7VU8XP2YSEqLFePIBZqz4c1wh4PTO/V0GJpXj /LN6/649gX0s6f1Yf40ACCkfuawu01gmTPpUF0GBLjHTz6nvFMDIZIi+bnL4IWxi6YYI KiQx2Rg9pRfkwSiCVkNZAgRB7WU3HIT/N+FRx4IeZNLsHrqddLzYkgXipWb69sCUUKB8 iE+Q== DV4RRwLlfO1Rv4R3tM3x+FjMtarYvZaheQgIo0s= Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:26:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <1695358295.3359802.1568123639913.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1695358295.3359802.1568123639913@mail.yahoo.com> <1003419129.3437836.1568135078851@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:26:02 -0500 To: DAVID MASSEY Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Yes sir! So many times I have bought the same part twice! On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:04 PM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > I hear you. I have another project (TR8) in a garage about 12 miles from home and I forget how many times I arrived there with 3/4 of the parts/tools I needed. This project has been stalled so long I forget where I put some of the parts. I lost one thinking that if I get a replacement the original will show up (as per usual)but so far no show. > > Cheers > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. > > Awesome report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to connect the new battery in my TR6 project. But when I got to the shop (20 minute drive) I realized that I had left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminated, and refinished parts on the home garage workbench. So alas, another day delay but the other cars did get their exercise. Headed back home now to replace that other thermostat... > > Rick > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > > I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here. > > I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am back (sorry). The TR6 was off the road for several years after a pending major frame failure was discovered. As much as I would LOVE to get a RATCO frame I don't LOVE it 6G's worth. A local club member who happens to be a fitter/welder by trade offered to rework my frame so I disassembled the car and took the frame to him and after 7 months or so he rebuilt the main frame rails from about the mid point right to the rear of the car. He also reinforced notorious week points such as the diff mounts and the attach points for the (aftermarket) rear sway bar. He also handed me a 3-lb bag of rust scale he extracted from inside the frame. > > I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air and removed some more rust, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastwood's frame rustproofing kit (I think I used two of them), painted the frame with POR15 (Note: POR15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint) and reassembled the car. > > I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a picture. I installed the LF suspension and took a pic. I installed the RF suspension and took a pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering rack and took a pic... (you get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence of pictures of the car coming together. > > The car has been on the road for a year now and so far I have 1) blown the diff and 2) blew a head gasket. I drove this car for nearly 2 decades with nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out. Keep in mind that this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is no slouch. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey@cs.com > _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 16:51:18 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C14A071B for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from sonic315-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (unknown [74.6.134.124]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25BAA0671 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:50:29 -0600 (MDT) t=1568155829; bh=x8L+Qqmk1YL1qy8VF9tbAHQUTF5uLn3A/A1SqucUU4I=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=mNm6gYXZ3x9zaFjxfjhzn0cCdcUZ2208fRfTJhHXly6GRB2fCZRbsjnrIK/XSCI2Tokf8vxQi5kN7JQQkxW+aAToxCXgIJzoiVYQS7qjlfOhJ29/NmUCz2o5VUFGtVU1QyH3KVGWrzxdB0wZAT/21wGEMGqOkd5Df7P7kjle/urwB7UsUJ87k/mLRoe/BcjG1rWAZlOIH8kCj4d6uNjK9ZDi128JF0W7fgoSlXcrF7xCiVUBOTMVysVr6I08g/UFkfq4IZUy55nfOs1odT0TK+k3lxOKGzKUAstz7O4SaNvuiC9T92eP/+EM640K0R0u/prJcuYOcqrYeSMTGyXQxw== nMTrL4ZDNKYXBerkHKiXY1_fRqnaAeFIdjl0n0ghHaZjprh3w_jwaqKwjq_VV3a30NrLmrm.oxiG MzTZg5M58FajAd6x95YfePWJZgcgd3aSUx992MgDtWn4YS7Z.DkWHFQHOxAl20TjZ4lwZVUiF.m5 CqglwrW1xE3ShH_RuPFoyjnuKs64sXsbwA6wfeEYqVpANf3DTatk7mM5ZduSjRYarZAvnPfAjD3t 6pRVISN8mijMfCQ3r9a_XupP4vqEG5RJNXRY9SA5A22josW_VIMhm2XIi.WuxsqpmGLQ6Z0LzJxC cKEcU1WDCdcKfdRP2WwZ9aklpA2Qe1T91bURZwW4ZJoffeFGnbglXE7qbwPqvNyd3A2HH3yFErMX IyupIBqbQowmOhMMJq3R2i6Yz0MJuEmX6ot4DvQeTWhMJgz8lf.5KIxqPafS7zON4ncNwmf_O9In B5SHKyVc5y7oFbRFW0otlWBDPasT91Xw4dnwSna_0rF.VDxu1iZKUyLdSAVyHp0.FrIsgbFiziAl Hxm6q.90uyiKGncj1gMtOi9tJvj7RT8xK_.eX4BZLvvzEsqrJibxokrP1CzrpDGUp1t778rYT0Ug qKyr6RHfMa4.h4Pf5c38ADeOA5x_.n6lYihNciPafd9pOKiID1R_90EFa_jvIUe64dWFv.GVi1DY xWaxMbuBTVl512xZ2hPwsbU1ViI_nmyDz0iUNhF_S88F8RhfuPZ.5sY15EWeudv52pHwKikkplq3 P8GRy0plp_ck.P5an2ynuCTWdr9AiPTXN_kvMtKX7lPoS9tL37PDsJQZUU9dSHjhh.P0oOQgp8jj _goWgf8I8vkZD8cwauJ4wV_xfaaRq_XXw1TeMRQlos7B_9M1HmA4UM2NorOm8MvcI4ifBVYNNB9R vH0.d4Y1I3BjkCjzRR.Q8Kf4LAiTukMuReZeErXwkPn2_EHrZiXJ6Bsnc2CsbRDS3BQxUKURVK0k Cx4dWs3hYnBY2ktUWbtk9xOVALZ7HzjqFMUWfihpr4.ojlVPIBdrcICUOd9mNG9vTSjBGi4gUeNf m1.NqH5sIhaMTMN8PyPm.ZQqWYsoyLY8mOmfqi1djCtNagqqYz7QDnhTAmyWG8f_CSax9aeNO8T7 YHPA_42K4kDZAqe06upoSidiBNhz9_jjGbPsEjToDwKOjeoau1eCYIbmf5TqKkw4xHPNBUnsq8iI - Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:50:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:50:27 +0000 (UTC) To: richardolindsay@gmail.com References: <1695358295.3359802.1568123639913.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1695358295.3359802.1568123639913@mail.yahoo.com> <1003419129.3437836.1568135078851@mail.yahoo.com> x64; rv:69.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0 Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. From: DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2622864753858105058== boundary="----=_Part_3585871_738694108.1568155827814" ------=_Part_3585871_738694108.1568155827814 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or done the same job twice.=C2=A0 As I get older I am starting to expect t= o do a job twice.=C2=A0 First to learn how to do it and the second to do it= right. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lindsay To: DAVID MASSEY Cc: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. Yes sir! So many times I have bought the same part twice! On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:04 PM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > I hear you.=C2=A0 I have another project (TR8) in a garage about 12 miles= from home and I forget how many times I arrived there with 3/4 of the part= s/tools I needed.=C2=A0 This project has been stalled so long I forget wher= e I put some of the parts.=C2=A0 I lost one thinking that if I get a replac= ement the original will show up (as per usual)but so far no=C2=A0 show. > > Cheers > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. > > Awesome report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to connect the new battery = in my TR6 project. But when I got to the shop (20 minute drive) I realized = that I had left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminated, and refinished par= ts on the home garage workbench. So alas, another day delay but the other c= ars did get their exercise. Headed back home now to replace that other ther= mostat... > > Rick > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.ne= t> wrote: > > I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here. > > I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am back (sorry).=C2=A0 T= he TR6 was off the road for several years after a pending major frame failu= re was discovered.=C2=A0 As much as I would LOVE to get a RATCO frame I don= 't LOVE it=C2=A0 6G's worth.=C2=A0 A local club member who happens to be a = fitter/welder by trade offered to rework my frame so I disassembled the car= and took the frame to him and after 7 months or so he rebuilt the main fra= me rails from about the mid point right to the rear of the car.=C2=A0 He al= so reinforced notorious week points such as the diff mounts and the attach = points for the (aftermarket) rear sway bar.=C2=A0 He also handed me a 3-lb = bag of rust scale he extracted from inside the frame. > > I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air and removed some more = rust, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastwood's frame rustproo= fing kit (I think I used two of them), painted the frame with POR15 (Note: = POR15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint) and reassembled the ca= r. > > I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a picture.=C2=A0 I install= ed the LF suspension and took a pic.=C2=A0 I installed the RF suspension an= d took a pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering rack and took a pic..= . (you get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence of pictures of the ca= r coming together. > > The car has been on the road for a year now and so far I have 1) blown th= e diff and 2) blew a head gasket.=C2=A0 I drove this car for nearly 2 decad= es with nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out.=C2=A0 Keep in mind = that this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is n= o slouch. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1mass= ey@cs.com > ------=_Part_3585871_738694108.1568155827814 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or done the same job twice.  As I get older I a= m starting to expect to do a job twice.  First to learn how to do it a= nd the second to do it right.

Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet.

Yes sir! So many times I have bought the same part twice!<= br clear=3D"none">

On Tue, S= ep 10, 2019 at 12:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs= .com> wrote:
>
> I hear yo= u.  I have another project (TR8) in a garage about 12 miles from home = and I forget how many times I arrived there with 3/4 of the parts/tools I n= eeded.  This project has been stalled so long I forget where I put som= e of the parts.  I lost one thinking that if I get a replacement the o= riginal will show up (as per usual)but so far no  show.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Messag= e-----
> From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
> To: 6pa= ck <6pack@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am
> Subject: R= e: [6pack] Too quiet.
>
> Awesome= report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to connect the new battery in my TR6= project. But when I got to the shop (20 minute drive) I realized that I ha= d left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminated, and refinished parts on the= home garage workbench. So alas, another day delay but the other cars did g= et their exercise. Headed back home now to replace that other thermostat...=
>
> Rick
><= br clear=3D"none">> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack= <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I agree with Richard, it is too quiet= here.
>
> I somehow fell off the= list many years ago but I am back (sorry).  The TR6 was off the road = for several years after a pending major frame failure was discovered. = As much as I would LOVE to get a RATCO frame I don't LOVE it  6G's wo= rth.  A local club member who happens to be a fitter/welder by trade o= ffered to rework my frame so I disassembled the car and took the frame to h= im and after 7 months or so he rebuilt the main frame rails from about the = mid point right to the rear of the car.  He also reinforced notorious = week points such as the diff mounts and the attach points for the (aftermar= ket) rear sway bar.  He also handed me a 3-lb bag of rust scale he ext= racted from inside the frame.
>
>= I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air and removed some more r= ust, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastwood's frame rustproof= ing kit (I think I used two of them), painted the frame with POR15 (Note: P= OR15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint) and reassembled the car= .
>
> I set up a camera on a (che= ap) tripod and took a picture.  I installed the LF suspension and took= a pic.  I installed the RF suspension and took a pic, front sway bar = and took a pic, steering rack and took a pic... (you get the picture) so I = now have a nice sequence of pictures of the car coming together.
>
> The car has been on the road for a ye= ar now and so far I have 1) blown the diff and 2) blew a head gasket. = I drove this car for nearly 2 decades with nary a problem but I guess my l= uck had run out.  Keep in mind that this car has been to both coasts, = Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is no slouch.
>
> Dave
>
> _______= ________________________________________
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> Sugg= ested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http:/= /www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.n= et/forums
>
> 6pack@autox.team.net
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------=_Part_3585871_738694108.1568155827814-- --===============2622864753858105058== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============2622864753858105058==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 17:05:58 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3985A072D for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f46.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44125A06EF for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f46.google.com with SMTP id n197so41507453iod.9 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:05:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GYB7BHx3nJ2Y4TN0hx9rsKNfyJd7HPUGG0fVgEu9Tio=; b=dYQtUpc6XbK9yw53+ztOi6olkhho/MIbBJ4FtfZgCNaN8JTE6bQQxpMUatMDmLOkLe uAg0xxWD22NbThOt5JJNfWAVINTf6KNwBFcrmVPMGT5vtRXhqMuNDw3AvXWgc9DkQirV BtoUK+R92L6+0XkW6CmfhZrsqC3/NJg2fhaa/WNeEY6o5EA2/trMLoP9/8tUULYz70bt 22APiESSuppMea5H/uJgYilZRgTDgBu7lKmcf9t7I68T7fw8g3xzeAi5dT4jEiXcFB0w J8DYWB/zXubO7lhIABcPjzF+JhRH5fAtSA2Fv7IJBRSpkFBUHgJLorsl9coQRlLW6cbd sxFg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=GYB7BHx3nJ2Y4TN0hx9rsKNfyJd7HPUGG0fVgEu9Tio=; b=mdSt57rpASdy2M5rWwqVNLwuT0nGxpCv6mnMnmm1fPJRHpMVPHVlBg4+/QJUx6Eaqo jPZ8iMnoWDG/yiE7CGxZdQgTB7Sog0XsQSlbXAHsRAlVxIJApH2auYILBU5Gc1kgI5+j Gv0q+MLsvTsQoEmGpc5GaFx9oIkK8G3Hx4SiY5/WdqwLYIl5e5wg1TWJrjd02oJuXrmD 8Y8AydefijXjEqNDTn+dRfisKZ+16QE5cwaOSz+9gyb1fU8O3pLW5jpk+0E7mWnoJv3X mZfuhD3PLMHSqVv6IiXLVm6H5IPLlZeGuRV/AhxdXOGz3hglitdpmcl3sz3HcMqXAmVN UGmw== Xf8SiJobg6k0XLljH5M6PiBq5k8XYV6sWTKkCyPCfg== Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:05:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <1695358295.3359802.1568123639913.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1695358295.3359802.1568123639913@mail.yahoo.com> <1003419129.3437836.1568135078851@mail.yahoo.com> <1451520649.3585872.1568155827816@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:05:44 -0500 To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0844235698612986490== --0000000000005bae2e05923af24a As I get older, I decide which jobs I want to do and which ones I wish to farm out. On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 5:50 PM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Or done the same job twice. As I get older I am starting to expect to do > a job twice. First to learn how to do it and the second to do it right. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lindsay > To: DAVID MASSEY > Cc: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm > Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. > > Yes sir! So many times I have bought the same part twice! > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:04 PM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > > > I hear you. I have another project (TR8) in a garage about 12 miles > from home and I forget how many times I arrived there with 3/4 of the > parts/tools I needed. This project has been stalled so long I forget where > I put some of the parts. I lost one thinking that if I get a replacement > the original will show up (as per usual)but so far no show. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > > To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > > Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am > > Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. > > > > Awesome report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to connect the new battery > in my TR6 project. But when I got to the shop (20 minute drive) I realized > that I had left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminated, and refinished > parts on the home garage workbench. So alas, another day delay but the > other cars did get their exercise. Headed back home now to replace that > other thermostat... > > > > Rick > > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack < > 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here. > > > > I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am back (sorry). The > TR6 was off the road for several years after a pending major frame failure > was discovered. As much as I would LOVE to get a RATCO frame I don't LOVE > it 6G's worth. A local club member who happens to be a fitter/welder by > trade offered to rework my frame so I disassembled the car and took the > frame to him and after 7 months or so he rebuilt the main frame rails from > about the mid point right to the rear of the car. He also reinforced > notorious week points such as the diff mounts and the attach points for the > (aftermarket) rear sway bar. He also handed me a 3-lb bag of rust scale he > extracted from inside the frame. > > > > I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air and removed some more > rust, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastwood's frame > rustproofing kit (I think I used two of them), painted the frame with POR15 > (Note: POR15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint) and reassembled > the car. > > > > I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a picture. I installed > the LF suspension and took a pic. I installed the RF suspension and took a > pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering rack and took a pic... (you > get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence of pictures of the car > coming together. > > > > The car has been on the road for a year now and so far I have 1) blown > the diff and 2) blew a head gasket. I drove this car for nearly 2 decades > with nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out. Keep in mind that > this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is no > slouch. > > > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey@cs.com > > > --0000000000005bae2e05923af24a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I get older, I decide which jobs I want to do and= which ones I wish to farm out.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 5:50 PM DAVID MASSEY &l= t;dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
Or done the same job twice.=C2=A0 As I get older I a= m starting to expect to do a job twice.=C2=A0 First to learn how to do it a= nd the second to do it right.

Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet.

Yes sir! So many times I have bought the same part twice!<= br clear=3D"none">

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:04 PM DAVID M= ASSEY <dave1mas= sey@cs.com> wrote:
>
> I h= ear you.=C2=A0 I have another project (TR8) in a garage about 12 miles from= home and I forget how many times I arrived there with 3/4 of the parts/too= ls I needed.=C2=A0 This project has been stalled so long I forget where I p= ut some of the parts.=C2=A0 I lost one thinking that if I get a replacement= the original will show up (as per usual)but so far no=C2=A0 show.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net<= /a>>
> To: 6pack <
6pack@autox.team.net>
&= gt; Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am
> Subject: Re: [6p= ack] Too quiet.
>
> Awesome repor= t, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to connect the new battery in my TR6 proje= ct. But when I got to the shop (20 minute drive) I realized that I had left= all the freshly cleaned, decontaminated, and refinished parts on the home = garage workbench. So alas, another day delay but the other cars did get the= ir exercise. Headed back home now to replace that other thermostat...
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <<= a shape=3D"rect" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer noreferrer">6pack@autox.team.ne= t> wrote:
>
> I agree with= Richard, it is too quiet here.
>
&g= t; I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am back (sorry).=C2=A0 = The TR6 was off the road for several years after a pending major frame fail= ure was discovered.=C2=A0 As much as I would LOVE to get a RATCO frame I do= n't LOVE it=C2=A0 6G's worth.=C2=A0 A local club member who happens= to be a fitter/welder by trade offered to rework my frame so I disassemble= d the car and took the frame to him and after 7 months or so he rebuilt the= main frame rails from about the mid point right to the rear of the car.=C2= =A0 He also reinforced notorious week points such as the diff mounts and th= e attach points for the (aftermarket) rear sway bar.=C2=A0 He also handed m= e a 3-lb bag of rust scale he extracted from inside the frame.
>
> I spend an afternoon with prods and compr= essed air and removed some more rust, then I treated the inside of the fram= e with Eastwood's frame rustproofing kit (I think I used two of them), = painted the frame with POR15 (Note: POR15 does a very poor job of sticking = to old paint) and reassembled the car.
>
> I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a picture.=C2=A0 I= installed the LF suspension and took a pic.=C2=A0 I installed the RF suspe= nsion and took a pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering rack and took= a pic... (you get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence of pictures o= f the car coming together.
>
> Th= e car has been on the road for a year now and so far I have 1) blown the di= ff and 2) blew a head gasket.=C2=A0 I drove this car for nearly 2 decades w= ith nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out.=C2=A0 Keep in mind that= this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is n= o slouch.
>
> Dave
>
> ___________________________________________= ____
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> Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96
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>
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From: DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3712703705010800407== boundary="----=_Part_3586610_680469662.1568157305443" ------=_Part_3586610_680469662.1568157305443 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I learned early on what jobs I can do and what I can't.=C2=A0 I've yet to = farm out those in my wheelhouse but help is always appreciated. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. As I get older, I decide which jobs I want to do and which ones I wish to f= arm out. On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 5:50 PM DAVID MASSEY wrote: Or done the same job twice.=C2=A0 As I get older I am starting to expect t= o do a job twice.=C2=A0 First to learn how to do it and the second to do it= right. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lindsay To: DAVID MASSEY Cc: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. Yes sir! So many times I have bought the same part twice! On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:04 PM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > I hear you.=C2=A0 I have another project (TR8) in a garage about 12 miles= from home and I forget how many times I arrived there with 3/4 of the part= s/tools I needed.=C2=A0 This project has been stalled so long I forget wher= e I put some of the parts.=C2=A0 I lost one thinking that if I get a replac= ement the original will show up (as per usual)but so far no=C2=A0 show. > > Cheers > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet. > > Awesome report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to connect the new battery = in my TR6 project. But when I got to the shop (20 minute drive) I realized = that I had left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminated, and refinished par= ts on the home garage workbench. So alas, another day delay but the other c= ars did get their exercise. Headed back home now to replace that other ther= mostat... > > Rick > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.ne= t> wrote: > > I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here. > > I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am back (sorry).=C2=A0 T= he TR6 was off the road for several years after a pending major frame failu= re was discovered.=C2=A0 As much as I would LOVE to get a RATCO frame I don= 't LOVE it=C2=A0 6G's worth.=C2=A0 A local club member who happens to be a = fitter/welder by trade offered to rework my frame so I disassembled the car= and took the frame to him and after 7 months or so he rebuilt the main fra= me rails from about the mid point right to the rear of the car.=C2=A0 He al= so reinforced notorious week points such as the diff mounts and the attach = points for the (aftermarket) rear sway bar.=C2=A0 He also handed me a 3-lb = bag of rust scale he extracted from inside the frame. > > I spend an afternoon with prods and compressed air and removed some more = rust, then I treated the inside of the frame with Eastwood's frame rustproo= fing kit (I think I used two of them), painted the frame with POR15 (Note: = POR15 does a very poor job of sticking to old paint) and reassembled the ca= r. > > I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a picture.=C2=A0 I install= ed the LF suspension and took a pic.=C2=A0 I installed the RF suspension an= d took a pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering rack and took a pic..= . (you get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence of pictures of the ca= r coming together. > > The car has been on the road for a year now and so far I have 1) blown th= e diff and 2) blew a head gasket.=C2=A0 I drove this car for nearly 2 decad= es with nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out.=C2=A0 Keep in mind = that this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is n= o slouch. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1mass= ey@cs.com > _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com ------=_Part_3586610_680469662.1568157305443 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I learned early on what jobs I can do and what I can= 't.  I've yet to farm out those in my wheelhouse but help is always ap= preciated.

Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet.

As I get older, I decide which jobs I want to do and which ones I wish= to farm out.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 5:= 50 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs= .com> wrote:
Or done the same job twice.  As I get older I a= m starting to expect to do a job twice.  First to learn how to do it a= nd the second to do it right.

Dave



---= --Original Message-----
From: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.= com>
Cc: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net<= /a>>
Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet.

Yes sir! So many times I have bought the same part twice!<= br clear=3D"none">

On Tue, Sep 10= , 2019 at 12:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <
dave= 1massey@cs.com> wrote:
>
>= I hear you.  I have another project (TR8) in a garage about 12 miles = from home and I forget how many times I arrived there with 3/4 of the parts= /tools I needed.  This project has been stalled so long I forget where= I put some of the parts.  I lost one thinking that if I get a replace= ment the original will show up (as per usual)but so far no  show.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Origi= nal Message-----
> From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <= ;6pack@autox.team.net>
> To: 6pack <6pack@autox= .team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am> Subject: Re: [6pack] Too quiet.
>=
> Awesome report, Dave! Thanks! Today I planned to co= nnect the new battery in my TR6 project. But when I got to the shop (20 min= ute drive) I realized that I had left all the freshly cleaned, decontaminat= ed, and refinished parts on the home garage workbench. So alas, another day= delay but the other cars did get their exercise. Headed back home now to r= eplace that other thermostat...
>
&g= t; Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019,= 8:54 AM DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pac= k@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
&g= t; I agree with Richard, it is too quiet here.
>
> I somehow fell off the list many years ago but I am back = (sorry).  The TR6 was off the road for several years after a pending m= ajor frame failure was discovered.  As much as I would LOVE to get a R= ATCO frame I don't LOVE it  6G's worth.  A local club member who = happens to be a fitter/welder by trade offered to rework my frame so I disa= ssembled the car and took the frame to him and after 7 months or so he rebu= ilt the main frame rails from about the mid point right to the rear of the = car.  He also reinforced notorious week points such as the diff mounts= and the attach points for the (aftermarket) rear sway bar.  He also h= anded me a 3-lb bag of rust scale he extracted from inside the frame.
>
> I spend an afternoon with prods an= d compressed air and removed some more rust, then I treated the inside of t= he frame with Eastwood's frame rustproofing kit (I think I used two of them= ), painted the frame with POR15 (Note: POR15 does a very poor job of sticki= ng to old paint) and reassembled the car.
>
> I set up a camera on a (cheap) tripod and took a picture.&nb= sp; I installed the LF suspension and took a pic.  I installed the RF = suspension and took a pic, front sway bar and took a pic, steering rack and= took a pic... (you get the picture) so I now have a nice sequence of pictu= res of the car coming together.
>
&g= t; The car has been on the road for a year now and so far I have 1) blown t= he diff and 2) blew a head gasket.  I drove this car for nearly 2 deca= des with nary a problem but I guess my luck had run out.  Keep in mind= that this car has been to both coasts, Canada and up Pike's Peak so it is = no slouch.
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------=_Part_3586610_680469662.1568157305443-- --===============3712703705010800407== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============3712703705010800407==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 11 07:13:14 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1E7A04D6 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:13:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7534AA01F5 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.145] ([67.249.155.254]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id 82OnihcG0WnTi82OpitULp; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:11:08 +0000 To: six pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 09:11:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US LhFLq20LwmiDdn/Cvq3upxzCdMxtmiDjdJ6ZFErOB8LaEPX4iJ7UPjxPPf7Thp1sV+MwzdLvDYrMVQ== Subject: [6pack] rain From: Bob via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net We got caught in a heavy down pour last night on the way home from a car hop. This is the 1st time the 72 6 has seen rain since its restoration a few years ago. The top on the 6 stays on after 1 Sept since it is the Fall car of choice. Thank goodness! I have to say once the windows were up it sealed pretty good. Similar to my 63 4. Wipers worked very good I must say. My wife commented that we were lucky we were not in the 3! I am hoping to get to the end of October before the cars go into hibernation. 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Any one has had this happen to his car? thanks for any help A. Guzman1976 Java Green TR6 ------=_Part_5900998_1519352813.1568239045121 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I've been having problems with my horn not working,  today I noticed that when I push the horn button, my lights blink.  It only does it with the ignition on the off position. Any one has had this happen to his car?

thanks for any help

A. Guzman
1976 Java Green TR6
------=_Part_5900998_1519352813.1568239045121-- --===============9066852521914673771== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============9066852521914673771==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 11 16:58:04 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C69EA03F4 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f54.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444E6A0349 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:57:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f54.google.com with SMTP id r4so49886912iop.4 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:57:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=XzkW4fX7OKJrCYCANzQU0pehoRHDg9q6mEiY9IGRRrk=; b=aki4u4komremrRvyJjZhCA3YtKRPn16tXelCxVFuUUBYAaHhXZn3R6EGO6A0JYWcmY 7+DkX2foti1ZxWODAkZj6/b9ogFD5KtHWRJcnM3zB39enJ6WvT+rM5LJpUDv1wXjVQru LiI+YidlovPnIbZoG6w0qbVuuKkmdZeQtsPAts+RRDO6R7CKT2VVsIRaxniy5Yxkbjpg n88VRCYr4HvbfP6RCRbXTrg+qD/yo/cp9w+AB9YMAs7RfoswtIX7FJeIWAHIfBsW/Im9 VDoCT8cX1OmxG3RuoDMu9Y7wi8ntLx62Fp1apa/KYTmreZEgVHobivIAhKNLESCa0ra6 GdXQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=XzkW4fX7OKJrCYCANzQU0pehoRHDg9q6mEiY9IGRRrk=; b=DXm9Gcv/AF4j8uWxy8kC/fNpEnAqja8ZSp+TK4t3AhIHq0hBOPt3LNheLt7mLfxE68 1RD8FF7cZHJ1CqrSYIFn38VIiEOWys6ypedJujB90M/FnrSh63rWzHC5+RDuClBsWzC6 pITxcs6yfckBivhl/JcQjuVmft9DPM2Ao6szj2WUgyC+Vw00I9/tnD/rx+one4cBDuoq J+x3VqretUkhspC3Pnknisj7ldyuoq5UlSBoUK3sxk362+hucx8dTIuea/BtJAe4WlT5 vOU/BD/LbQMmNlhWEimEoFRnT4PlW78CImzfGULHHc1l0BzdPiAe2q/ZRzgCA1s0NWL0 KVAg== g3CTM4kvGkQ8o3ijLdm36anh8LeicjKWSYR26M0= Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:57:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <955802955.5900999.1568239045122.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <955802955.5900999.1568239045122@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:57:20 -0500 To: tr6roadster@bellsouth.net, 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problem From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0618181111007852618== --0000000000002b95cb05924ef26a My guess is a broken ground wire. (Isn't it always?) Routine testing is needed. 1. Unplug the horn and try it. 2. Unplug the horn relay and try it. Please report back. Electrons must not defeat us!!! Rick, electrical engineer before studying physics On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 4:57 PM tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > I've been having problems with my horn not working, today I noticed that > when I push the horn button, my lights blink. It only does it with the > ignition on the off position. Any one has had this happen to his car? > > thanks for any help > > A. Guzman > 1976 Java Green TR6 > --0000000000002b95cb05924ef26a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My guess is a broken ground wire. (Isn&= #39;t it always?)

Routine testing is = needed.
1. Unplug the horn and try it.
2. Unplug the horn relay and try it.

<= /div>
Please report back. Electrons must not defeat us!!!<= /div>

Rick, electrical enginee= r before studying physics

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 4:57 PM tr6roadst= er via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.n= et> wrote:
I've b= een having problems with my horn not working,=C2=A0 today I noticed that wh= en I push the horn button, my lights blink.=C2=A0 It only does it with the = ignition on the off position. Any one has had this happen to his car?
=

thanks for any help

A. Guzman
1976 = Java Green TR6
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SizeAsReceived:6961; Count:43 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [4uF3D2T+SCt+bem3YsbZLdHxh42hJOsHUv+KfOY4wBTDX1qHy9w183Ui4kaFAt/9PpjlKGXASw8=] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 43 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(5050001)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031322404)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:BL2NAM02HT021; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BL2NAM02HT021: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: pniwnArceVi64PMWWKPmihj91FTT+Wm/SJwle7m1DCKy8vX3LI2v8NMIKUdYPiVAqogT40rVJ6M/BzM1K1RLCLsAOJa1fvI8x4rEjA5zl8WTaF7RSe62wSveY7atDhoJgpEq7unuXn9Im/OubZAbHIQq+T+EbzJv5Rdtj5se186NdZSaSwzGW5cLzT8ow0ti x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problem From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5946584283191785569== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MWHPR18MB1151C0F561256121FCB48D548EB10MWHPR18MB1151namp_" --_000_MWHPR18MB1151C0F561256121FCB48D548EB10MWHPR18MB1151namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would ask, with a puzzled look on my face, "which lights?" ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Richard Lindsay via= 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:57 PM To: tr6roadster@bellsouth.net ; 6pack <6pack@aut= ox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problem My guess is a broken ground wire. (Isn't it always?) Routine testing is needed. 1. Unplug the horn and try it. 2. Unplug the horn relay and try it. On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 4:57 PM tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: I've been having problems with my horn not working, today I noticed that w= hen I push the horn button, my lights blink. It only does it with the igni= tion on the off position. Any one has had this happen to his car? thanks for any help A. Guzman 1976 Java Green TR6 --_000_MWHPR18MB1151C0F561256121FCB48D548EB10MWHPR18MB1151namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would ask, with a puzzled look on my face, "which lights?"
From: 6pack <6pack-bounc= es@autox.team.net> on behalf of Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@auto= x.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:57 PM
To: tr6roadster@bellsouth.net <tr6roadster@bellsouth.net>; 6pa= ck <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problem
 
My guess is a broken ground wire. (Isn't it always?)

Routine testing is needed.
1. Unplug the horn and try it.
2. Unplug the horn relay and try it.



On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 4:57 PM tr6ro= adster via 6pack <6pack@autox.te= am.net> wrote:
I've been having problems with my horn not working,  = today I noticed that when I push the horn button, my lights blink.  It= only does it with the ignition on the off position. Any one has had this h= appen to his car?

thanks for any help

A. Guzman
1976 Java Green TR6
--_000_MWHPR18MB1151C0F561256121FCB48D548EB10MWHPR18MB1151namp_-- --===============5946584283191785569== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============5946584283191785569==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 11 18:11:47 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52562A040C for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:11:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f53.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519B6A02B1 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f53.google.com with SMTP id m11so50301032ioo.0 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:11:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aivW0FGCvmSQAnui2FBtuUys2+LnxrCvTRgs6P2P2/c=; b=bXKSmV/Vkq+uTrn2sYp58eluMX2ZdiJ2FfMqEnNd7XTRpX7YwF0/kNmS7HwTuXD7TJ SFPBXyFf6DAbLj/uzsMc9eUdtGWCyxDclQKDtvUPV+9O5sd+8JqToEt0sxv9VW5ZiWtn AMDhfULmgnS1PKlFrWqgc5P4kQmVUdv2dSjlvqBvvFwLsX+rH7y1/PAchEKY7ejvQPgu KQYoNZK4D3jZSC8aoVgMGv9Teec22SYbUrww/xZ5Swmmg/L2ySkbuEJ2HUy15IoQQ7io BcbZJdP+BLkyJaBHUfWkQ5JugyjiEZahfasZrdhCAXFsfmLsU+FgGPssEvkJ8vbSaaEl XSFg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aivW0FGCvmSQAnui2FBtuUys2+LnxrCvTRgs6P2P2/c=; b=Rzrca0JgTBqUdaSfj4fEoFA9qlvOPde/q9QMoJI7/404Y1KxYkna/PT6ksYoWW8KMx 0cFVE+o7HDbPIVp3QwnxlKBp8TT8hG/7bJ9O1WikoFezOQj/w5Ttx63EGlTe3tj62nK8 /0WEkOPE21EsklPBum9g1sFbCfjUlDLXLy7rwSVOL/2QD9XKmrIof81jkLWdCt0bqGBc 7SG1SU8B3JYM2KiYWGFsoTsGkSItUUffPjyi6+eNmZj897J7xhvdTVJd1CdH+d6fgQ46 1akCdv+qxCSBdVlK3Y8u0yHIR4vCBOD+LP9EduDZqYIuuEve8BHjJuut5b2Sadbudccz 9+UQ== eTz530cnrGA/8lEKm7/CRLB7mbSVeRmV9J4silM= Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:11:12 -0700 (PDT) References: <955802955.5900999.1568239045122.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <955802955.5900999.1568239045122@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 19:11:01 -0500 To: im sloane Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problem From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4623294139161425609== --000000000000a8aa3105924ff9e4 Okay Sloane, you win!!! Excellent smile on my face. On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 6:28 PM im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > I would ask, with a puzzled look on my face, "which lights?" > ------------------------------ > *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Richard Lindsay > via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:57 PM > *To:* tr6roadster@bellsouth.net ; 6pack < > 6pack@autox.team.net> > *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Electrical problem > > My guess is a broken ground wire. (Isn't it always?) > > Routine testing is needed. > 1. Unplug the horn and try it. > 2. Unplug the horn relay and try it. > > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 4:57 PM tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > wrote: > > I've been having problems with my horn not working, today I noticed that > when I push the horn button, my lights blink. It only does it with the > ignition on the off position. Any one has had this happen to his car? > > thanks for any help > > A. Guzman > 1976 Java Green TR6 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/richardolindsay@gmail.com > > --000000000000a8aa3105924ff9e4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay Sloane, you win!!! Excellent smile on my face.
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On Wed= , Sep 11, 2019, 6:28 PM im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
I would ask, with a puzzled look on my face, "which lights?"
From: = 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Richa= rd Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:57 PM
To: tr6roadster@bellsouth.net <tr6roadster@bell= south.net>; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problem
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My guess is a broken ground wire. (Isn't it always?)<= /div>

Routine testing is needed.
1. Unplug the horn and try it.
2. Unplug the horn relay and try it.



On Wed, Sep 11= , 2019, 4:57 PM tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wr= ote:
I've been having problems with my horn not working,=C2= =A0 today I noticed that when I push the horn button, my lights blink.=C2= =A0 It only does it with the ignition on the off position. Any one has had = this happen to his car?

thanks for any help

A. Guzman
1976 Java Green TR6
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Hello = Friends,=C2=A0
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0With all the chatter about getting my Maserati back on the road, = I forgot to report that I connected the new battery in my TR6...and the car= started perfectly! Once I get the brakes bled and the wheels back on, all = cars in the scuderia will be running and driving. And the TR6 can go for pa= int!

Rick
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Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.  It is the headlights that blink when I press the horn button.  I've had the car for 18 years,  daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,  other than a bad
starter and alternator.  

A. Guzman
'76 TR6-Java Green 
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Q: Do the headlight 'blink' off, or do they just = dim when the horn push is pressed?

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 8:14 AM tr6roadster= via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net= > wrote:
Sorry I was not= too specific on describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the headlights that bli= nk when I press the horn button.=C2=A0 I've had the car for 18 years,= =C2=A0 daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2=A0 other t= han a bad
starter and alternator.=C2=A0=C2=A0

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Looking at the purple ci= rcuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flas= h-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending neg= ative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the fla= sh-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' = or 'off', and does the horn also blow? Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a cir= cuit breaker, so you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the= brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headlight = switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the '= always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers). So this is all definit= ely related. Sloane ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pa= ck <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem. It is the headlight= s that blink when I press the horn button. I've had the car for 18 years, = daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now, other than a bad starter and alternator. A. Guzman '76 TR6-Java Green --_000_BN6PR18MB1140AFE2AB23BA5002B7A4DD8EB30BN6PR18MB1140namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr= 2506.pdf

I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple ci= rcuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flas= h-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending neg= ative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing y= our lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also bl= ow? 

Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fuse= d or even protected by a circuit breaker, so  you could be treading in= dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires are a direct connection betwe= en the battery and the headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'always'= on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).  So this is all definitel= y related. 

Sloane  

From: 6pack <6pack-bounc= es@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.te= am.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM

Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.&nbs= p; It is the headlights that blink when I press the horn button.  I've= had the car for 18 years,  daily driver, never had an electrical issu= e until now,  other than a bad
starter and alternator.  

A. Guzman
'76 TR6-Java Green 
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I have seen those schematics but didn't have a copy. Sloane, I think you are right. The stalk switches and horn relay are likely culprits. The kinds of quieky electrical problems that Mr. Guzman is addressing often stem from broken grounds but a short in the stalk switches may eventually be found. (Assumption that 'A.' is male, thus the prefix 'Mr.'. Although today, assuming a gender is PC suicide.) Anyway... Good words of caution about un-fused circuits. I once saw an interesting gadget. It was a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and clip lead on one end and a battery terminal connector on the other. The idea is to remove the negative battery lead, attach the clip to the cable and place the other on the battery post. Any circuit except the starter could work but an accidental short circuit would pop the fuse rather than burning the harness - or worse. From the pictures that A. sent, it would be good maintenance to disconnect the battery and un-mount the relays for cleaning. As we know, the lower relay is the starter relay. It keeps starter solenoid current from the ignition switch and helps provide the seat belt starter interlock. A. also notes that the upper relay, the horn relay, shows a lot of corrosion and that he has a new one on order. Great opportunity to clean all the wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they still fit securely on to the 1/4" male tabs. If not, replace them. I use SimpleGreen for cleaning followed by brake cleaner as needed. A. also reports that although the horn relay 'clicks' at the press of the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests a bad horn relay. Although why the headlights flash on is more likely to be a short in the column or associated stalk switches. Testing continues... Rick On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. > http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf > > I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple > circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the > flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending > negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the > flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink > 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow? > > Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a > circuit breaker, so you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see > the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the > headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit > which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers). So this > is all definitely related. > > Sloane > ------------------------------ > *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster via > 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM > > Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem. It is the > headlights that blink when I press the horn button. I've had the car for > 18 years, daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now, other > than a bad > starter and alternator. > > A. Guzman > '76 TR6-Java Green > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/richardolindsay@gmail.com > > --0000000000000292dc05926cd522 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks! I have seen those schematics bu= t didn't have a copy. Sloane, I think you are right. The stalk switches= and horn relay are likely culprits. The kinds of quieky electrical problem= s that Mr. Guzman is addressing often stem from broken grounds but a short = in the stalk switches may eventually be found. (Assumption that 'A.'= ; is male, thus the prefix 'Mr.'. Although today, assuming a gender= is PC suicide.) Anyway...
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Good words o= f caution about un-fused circuits. I once saw an interesting gadget. It was= a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and clip lead on one end and a b= attery terminal connector on the other. The idea is to remove the negative = battery lead, attach the clip to the cable and place the other on the batte= ry post. Any circuit except the starter could work but an accidental short = circuit would pop the fuse rather than burning the harness - or worse.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0From the pictures that A. sent, it would be= good maintenance to disconnect the battery and un-mount the relays for cle= aning. As we know, the lower relay is the starter relay. It keeps starter s= olenoid current from the ignition switch and helps provide the seat belt st= arter interlock. A. also notes that the upper relay, the horn relay, shows = a lot of corrosion and that he has a new one on order. Great opportunity to= clean all the wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they still fit se= curely on to the 1/4" male tabs. If not, replace them. I use SimpleGre= en for cleaning followed by brake cleaner as needed.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0A. also reports that although the horn relay 'clicks'= at the press of the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests= a bad horn relay. Although why the headlights flash on is more likely to b= e a short in the column or associated stalk switches. Testing continues...<= /div>

Rick

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack <6pack= @autox.team.net> wrote:
First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here.=C2=A0http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf

I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purpl= e circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and = the flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sen= ding negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causi= ng your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', and d= oes the horn also blow?=C2=A0

Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even p= rotected by a circuit breaker, so=C2=A0 you could be treading in dangerous = waters. You'll see the brown wires are a direct connection between the = battery and the headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'alw= ays' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 So this is all d= efinitely related.=C2=A0

Sloane=C2=A0=C2=A0

From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox= .team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack= @autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM

Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.=C2= =A0 It is the headlights that blink when I press the horn button.=C2=A0 I&#= 39;ve had the car for 18 years,=C2=A0 daily driver, never had an electrical= issue until now,=C2=A0 other than a bad
starter and alternator.=C2=A0=C2=A0

A. Guzman
'76 TR6-Java Green=C2=A0
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The Purple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function but the main= power for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on the battery = cable so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass I am at a = loss to explain a direct interconnection.=C2=A0 A dodgy connection in the f= use block could be the cause if it were otherwise.=C2=A0 Something to look = for is a wire-to-wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the steeri= ng wheel. Did you or anyone else do some work under the dash and disconnect and recon= nect wires? =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 10:05 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems #yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}First, do you have the nice= color schematics, found here.=C2=A0http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.p= df I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple ci= rcuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flas= h-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending neg= ative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the fla= sh-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' = or 'off', and does the horn also blow?=C2=A0 Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a cir= cuit breaker, so=C2=A0 you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll se= e the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headl= ight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is = the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 So this is a= ll definitely related.=C2=A0 Sloane=C2=A0=C2=A0From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of t= r6roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the head= lights that blink when I press the horn button.=C2=A0 I've had the car for = 18 years,=C2=A0 daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2= =A0 other than a badstarter and alternator.=C2=A0=C2=A0 A. Guzman'76 TR6-Java Green=C2=A0__________________________________________= _____ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com ------=_Part_4541437_1670821983.1568375992541 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the reminder about this collection of sch= ematics.  I've had these for many years and I have referred to them on= many occasions.  Kudos to Dan Masters who put a lot of time in resear= ch and drawing these up.

The Purple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass= function but the main power for the headlights comes directly from the pow= er tap on the battery cable so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass I am at a loss to explain a direct inte= rconnection.  A dodgy connection in the fuse block could be the cause = if it were otherwise.  Something to look for is a wire-to-wire short i= n the harnesses that lead down from the steering wheel.

Did you or anyone else do some work under the dash an= d disconnect and reconnect wires?

Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems

First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf

I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple ci= rcuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flas= h-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending neg= ative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing y= our lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also bl= ow? 

Be aware that the headlight circui= t is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so  you could b= e treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires are a direct con= nection between the battery and the headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'always'= on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).  So this is all definitel= y related. 

Sloane  

From: 6pack &= lt;6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pack <= 6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM

Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.&nbs= p; It is the headlights that blink when I press the horn button.  I've= had the car for 18 years,  daily driver, never had an electrical issu= e until now,  other than a bad
starter and alternator.  

A. Guzman
'76 TR6-Java Green 
------=_Part_4541437_1670821983.1568375992541-- --===============5970040964130810540== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============5970040964130810540==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 08:57:43 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789D1A0354 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.192.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A0CA02A8 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:57:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TR3A ([66.25.47.235]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id 8n0aiPw74DkR58n0aiupk0; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:57:12 -0700 To: "'Yahoo via 6pack'" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <1647413538.224222.1568294031697.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1647413538.224222.1568294031697@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:57:12 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQIR58I0GyI1/lcAr8ZEByC08i3fkgDaWFCEAaEbmbSmnNuR8A== AFgue8NeeR+dG5+iFF8/xILX3wYgZG6nlrQ= Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems From: dave via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5893237786511404133== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01D56A19.9DE49E70" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01D56A19.9DE49E70 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI - I have the diagrams printed out on 11x17 then laminated. Keep one in the garage and one in the car. For extra fun, you can also use them as placemats at the dining room table From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of im sloane via 6pack Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 9:28 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow? Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers). So this is all definitely related. Sloane _____ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem. It is the headlights that blink when I press the horn button. I've had the car for 18 years, daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now, other than a bad starter and alternator. A. Guzman '76 TR6-Java Green ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01D56A19.9DE49E70 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

FYI = – I have the diagrams printed out on 11x17 then laminated.  = Keep one in the garage and one in the car.

 

For extra = fun, you can also use them as placemats at the dining room = table

 

From: 6pack = <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of im sloane via = 6pack
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 9:28 PM
To: = 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical = problems

 

First, do you have the nice color = schematics, found here. http://www.advanceauto= wire.com/tr2506.pdf

 

=

I'm no electrician, but have had = pretty good luck. Looking at the purple circuit on a 76, it does seem = there's a connection with the horn and the flash-to-pass switch. Could = it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending negative back up thru = the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the = flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink = 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also = blow? 



Be aware that the headlight = circuit is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so  = you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires = are a direct connection between the battery and the headlight switch, = and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the = 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).  So this is = all definitely related. 



Sloane  


From: 6pack = <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net= > on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
S= ent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 = PM

Sorry I = was not too specific on describing my problem.  It is the = headlights that blink when I press the horn button.  I've had the = car for 18 years,  daily driver, never had an electrical issue = until now,  other than a bad

starter = and alternator.  

 =

A. = Guzman

'76 = TR6-Java = Green 

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A. Guzman"76 Java Green TR6 On Friday, September 13, 2019, 08:01:27 AM EDT, <6pack-request@autox.te= am.net> wrote: =20 =20 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6pack-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: =C2=A0 1. Re: Electrical problems (im sloane) =C2=A0 2. Re: Electrical problems (Richard Lindsay) =C2=A0 3. Re: Electrical problems (DAVID MASSEY) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 02:27:36 +0000 From: im sloane To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems Message-ID: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. http://www.advanc= eautowire.com/tr2506.pdf I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple ci= rcuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flas= h-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending neg= ative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the fla= sh-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' = or 'off', and does the horn also blow? Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a cir= cuit breaker, so=C2=A0 you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll se= e the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headl= ight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is = the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 So this is a= ll definitely related. Sloane ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pa= ck <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the head= lights that blink when I press the horn button.=C2=A0 I've had the car for = 18 years,=C2=A0 daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2= =A0 other than a bad starter and alternator. A. Guzman '76 TR6-Java Green -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:36:40 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: im sloane Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems Message-ID: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks! I have seen those schematics but didn't have a copy. Sloane,= I think you are right. The stalk switches and horn relay are likely culprits. The kinds of quieky electrical problems that Mr. Guzman is addressing often stem from broken grounds but a short in the stalk switches may eventually be found. (Assumption that 'A.' is male, thus the prefix 'Mr.'. Although today, assuming a gender is PC suicide.) Anyway... =C2=A0 Good words of caution about un-fused circuits. I once saw an interes= ting gadget. It was a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and clip lead on one end and a battery terminal connector on the other. The idea is to remove the negative battery lead, attach the clip to the cable and place the other on the battery post. Any circuit except the starter could work but an accidental short circuit would pop the fuse rather than burning the harness - or worse. =C2=A0 From the pictures that A. sent, it would be good maintenance to disconnect the battery and un-mount the relays for cleaning. As we know, the lower relay is the starter relay. It keeps starter solenoid current from the ignition switch and helps provide the seat belt starter interlock. A. also notes that the upper relay, the horn relay, shows a lot of corrosion and that he has a new one on order. Great opportunity to clean all the wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they still fit securely on to the 1/4" male tabs. If not, replace them. I use SimpleGreen for cleaning followed by brake cleaner as needed. =C2=A0 A. also reports that although the horn relay 'clicks' at the press o= f the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests a bad horn relay. Although why the headlights flash on is more likely to be a short in the column or associated stalk switches. Testing continues... Rick On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. > http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf > > I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple > circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the > flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sendi= ng > negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to th= e > flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink > 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow? > > Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a > circuit breaker, so=C2=A0 you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'= ll see > the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the > headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit > which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 S= o this > is all definitely related. > > Sloane > ------------------------------ > *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster via > 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM > > Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the > headlights that blink when I press the horn button.=C2=A0 I've had the ca= r for > 18 years,=C2=A0 daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2= =A0 other > than a bad > starter and alternator. > > A. Guzman > '76 TR6-Java Green > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/richardolindsay@gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:59:52 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems Thanks for the reminder about this collection of schematics.? I've had the= se for many years and I have referred to them on many occasions.? Kudos to = Dan Masters who put a lot of time in research and drawing these up. The Purple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function but the main= power for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on the battery = cable so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass I am at a = loss to explain a direct interconnection.? A dodgy connection in the fuse b= lock could be the cause if it were otherwise.? Something to look for is a w= ire-to-wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the steering wheel. Did you or anyone else do some work under the dash and disconnect and recon= nect wires? =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 10:05 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems #yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}First, do you have the nice= color schematics, found here.?http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple ci= rcuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flas= h-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending neg= ative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the fla= sh-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' = or 'off', and does the horn also blow?? Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a cir= cuit breaker, so? you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the= brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headlight = switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the '= always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).? So this is all definit= ely related.? Sloane??From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster= via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.? It is the headlight= s that blink when I press the horn button.? I've had the car for 18 years,?= daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,? other than a badst= arter and alternator.?? A. Guzman'76 TR6-Java Green?_______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ 6pack mailing list 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack ------------------------------ End of 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 14 ************************************* =20 ------=_Part_950425_1909854751.1568395214826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes I do have that schematic= ,  and like you, I believe that the relay is the problem.  I have= one coming in soon,  maybe today,  I'll keep you posted.  T= hanks to everyone that has an input into my problem.

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 02:27:36 +0000
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First, do you have the nice color schematics, found he= re. http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf
I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck.= Looking at the purple circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection w= ith the horn and the flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is g= oing bad, and sending negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's makin= g its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to b= link? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow?

Be aware that the headlight circu= it is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so  you could = be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires are a direct co= nnection between the battery and the headlight switch, and also provide the= 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove= box, hazard flashers).  So this is all definitely related.
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From: 6pack <= ;6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6= roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM

Sorry I was not too specific on describing my= problem.  It is the headlights that blink when I press the horn butto= n.  I've had the car for 18 years,  daily driver, never had an el= ectrical issue until now,  other than a bad
= starter and alternator.

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To: im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com= >
Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net&= gt;
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems
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&nbs= p; Thanks! I have seen those schematics but didn't have a copy. Sloane, I<= br>
think you are right. The stalk switches and horn = relay are likely culprits.
The kinds of quieky el= ectrical problems that Mr. Guzman is addressing often
stem from broken grounds but a short in the stalk switches may eventua= lly
be found. (Assumption that 'A.' is male, thus= the prefix 'Mr.'. Although
today, assuming a gen= der is PC suicide.) Anyway...
  Good words = of caution about un-fused circuits. I once saw an interesting
gadget. It was a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and c= lip lead on
one end and a battery terminal connec= tor on the other. The idea is to
remove the negat= ive battery lead, attach the clip to the cable and place
the other on the battery post. Any circuit except the starter coul= d work
but an accidental short circuit would pop = the fuse rather than burning the
harness - or wor= se.
  From the pictures that A. sent, it wo= uld be good maintenance to
disconnect the battery= and un-mount the relays for cleaning. As we know,
the lower relay is the starter relay. It keeps starter solenoid current
from the ignition switch and helps provide the sea= t belt starter interlock.
A. also notes that the = upper relay, the horn relay, shows a lot of
corro= sion and that he has a new one on order. Great opportunity to clean
all the wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they = still fit securely
on to the 1/4" male tabs. If n= ot, replace them. I use SimpleGreen for
cleaning = followed by brake cleaner as needed.
  A. a= lso reports that although the horn relay 'clicks' at the press of
=
the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests= a bad horn
relay. Although why the headlights fl= ash on is more likely to be a short in
the column= or associated stalk switches. Testing continues...

Rick

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack <6p= ack@autox.team.net>
wrote:

> First, do you have the nice colo= r schematics, found here.
>
> I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at= the purple
> circuit on a 76, it does seem th= ere's a connection with the horn and the
> fla= sh-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending
> negative back up thru the purple wire, and it'= s making its way over to the
> flash-to-pass/d= immer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink
> 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow?
>
> Be aware that the headlight ci= rcuit is not fused or even protected by a
> ci= rcuit breaker, so  you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll s= ee
> the brown wires are a direct connection b= etween the battery and the
> headlight switch,= and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit
> which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=   So this
> is all definitely related.
>
> Sloane
> ------------------------------
> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.n= et> on behalf of tr6roadster via
> *Sen= t:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM
>
=
> Sorry I was not too specific on describing my p= roblem.  It is the
> headlights that blin= k when I press the horn button.  I've had the car for
> 18 years,  daily driver, never had an electrical issue = until now,  other
> than a bad
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> A. Guzman
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Thanks = for the reminder about this collection of schematics.? I've had these for m= any years and I have referred to them on many occasions.? Kudos to Dan Mast= ers who put a lot of time in research and drawing these up.
The Purple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function b= ut the main power for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on t= he battery cable so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass= I am at a loss to explain a direct interconnection.? A dodgy connection in= the fuse block could be the cause if it were otherwise.? Something to look= for is a wire-to-wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the steer= ing wheel.

Did you or = anyone else do some work under the dash and disconnect and reconnect wires?=

Dave



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To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.ne= t>
Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems

#yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margi= n-bottom:0;}First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here.?http://w= ww.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf
I'm no elec= trician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple circuit on a = 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flash-to-pass s= witch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending negative back = up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the flash-to-pass/= dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', a= nd does the horn also blow??
Be aware that the he= adlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so? yo= u could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires are a d= irect connection between the battery and the headlight switch, and also pro= vide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'always' on fuse (hor= n, glove box, hazard flashers).? So this is all definitely related.?
Sloane??From: 6pack <6pack-boun= ces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pack <6pac= k@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, Septembe= r 12, 2019 1:13 PM

Sor= ry I was not too specific on describing my problem.? It is the headlights t= hat blink when I press the horn button.? I've had the car for 18 years,? da= ily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,? other than a badstart= er and alternator.??
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SimpleGreen works great. Your effort will repay you. Rick On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:20 PM tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Yes I do have that schematic, and like you, I believe that the relay is > the problem. I have one coming in soon, maybe today, I'll keep you > posted. Thanks to everyone that has an input into my problem. > > A. Guzman > "76 Java Green TR6 > > On Friday, September 13, 2019, 08:01:27 AM EDT, < > 6pack-request@autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Send 6pack mailing list submissions to > 6pack@autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > 6pack-request@autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > 6pack-owner@autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Electrical problems (im sloane) > 2. Re: Electrical problems (Richard Lindsay) > 3. Re: Electrical problems (DAVID MASSEY) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 02:27:36 +0000 > From: im sloane > To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> > Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems > Message-ID: > < > BN6PR18MB1140AFE2AB23BA5002B7A4DD8EB30@BN6PR18MB1140.namprd18.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. > http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf > > I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple > circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the > flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending > negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the > flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink > 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow? > > Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a > circuit breaker, so you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see > the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the > headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit > which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers). So this > is all definitely related. > > Sloane > ________________________________ > From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster via > 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM > > Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem. It is the > headlights that blink when I press the horn button. I've had the car for > 18 years, daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now, other > than a bad > starter and alternator. > > A. Guzman > '76 TR6-Java Green > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/6pack/attachments/20190913/134f4bcd/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:36:40 -0500 > From: Richard Lindsay > To: im sloane > Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks! I have seen those schematics but didn't have a copy. Sloane, I > think you are right. The stalk switches and horn relay are likely culprits. > The kinds of quieky electrical problems that Mr. Guzman is addressing often > stem from broken grounds but a short in the stalk switches may eventually > be found. (Assumption that 'A.' is male, thus the prefix 'Mr.'. Although > today, assuming a gender is PC suicide.) Anyway... > Good words of caution about un-fused circuits. I once saw an interesting > gadget. It was a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and clip lead on > one end and a battery terminal connector on the other. The idea is to > remove the negative battery lead, attach the clip to the cable and place > the other on the battery post. Any circuit except the starter could work > but an accidental short circuit would pop the fuse rather than burning the > harness - or worse. > From the pictures that A. sent, it would be good maintenance to > disconnect the battery and un-mount the relays for cleaning. As we know, > the lower relay is the starter relay. It keeps starter solenoid current > from the ignition switch and helps provide the seat belt starter interlock. > A. also notes that the upper relay, the horn relay, shows a lot of > corrosion and that he has a new one on order. Great opportunity to clean > all the wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they still fit securely > on to the 1/4" male tabs. If not, replace them. I use SimpleGreen for > cleaning followed by brake cleaner as needed. > A. also reports that although the horn relay 'clicks' at the press of > the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests a bad horn > relay. Although why the headlights flash on is more likely to be a short in > the column or associated stalk switches. Testing continues... > > Rick > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > wrote: > > > First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. > > http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf > > > > I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple > > circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the > > flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and > sending > > negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to > the > > flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink > > 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow? > > > > Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a > > circuit breaker, so you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll > see > > the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the > > headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit > > which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers). So > this > > is all definitely related. > > > > Sloane > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of tr6roadster > via > > 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM > > > > Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem. It is the > > headlights that blink when I press the horn button. I've had the car for > > 18 years, daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now, other > > than a bad > > starter and alternator. > > > > A. Guzman > > '76 TR6-Java Green > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/richardolindsay@gmail.com > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/6pack/attachments/20190913/51739ede/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:59:52 +0000 (UTC) > From: DAVID MASSEY > To: 6pack@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems > Message-ID: <906516148.4541438.1568375992543@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks for the reminder about this collection of schematics.? I've had > these for many years and I have referred to them on many occasions.? Kudos > to Dan Masters who put a lot of time in research and drawing these up. > The Purple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function but the > main power for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on the > battery cable so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass I > am at a loss to explain a direct interconnection.? A dodgy connection in > the fuse block could be the cause if it were otherwise.? Something to look > for is a wire-to-wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the > steering wheel. > > Did you or anyone else do some work under the dash and disconnect and > reconnect wires? > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 10:05 pm > Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems > > #yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}First, do you have the > nice color schematics, found here.? > http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf > I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple > circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the > flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending > negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the > flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink > 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow?? > Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a > circuit breaker, so? you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see > the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the > headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit > which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).? So this > is all definitely related.? > Sloane??From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of > tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM > > Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.? It is the > headlights that blink when I press the horn button.? I've had the car for > 18 years,? daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,? other > than a badstarter and alternator.?? > A. 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Please take this opportunity to clean all the wires and c= onnectors. SimpleGreen works great. Your effort will repay you.

Rick

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:20 PM = tr6roadster via 6pack <6pack@aut= ox.team.net> wrote:
Yes I do have that schematic,=C2=A0 and like you, = I believe that the relay is the problem.=C2=A0 I have one coming in soon,= =C2=A0 maybe today,=C2=A0 I'll keep you posted.=C2=A0 Thanks to everyon= e that has an input into my problem.

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First, do = you have the nice color schematics, found here. http://www.= advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf

I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking= at the purple circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with = the horn and the flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going= bad, and sending negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's makin= g its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to b= link? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also b= low?

Be aware that the= headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so= =C2=A0 you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown = wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headlight switch,= and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'alw= ays' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 So this is all d= efinitely related.

Slo= ane
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Sorry I was not too specific on= describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the headlights that blink when I press = the horn button.=C2=A0 I've had the car for 18 years,=C2=A0 daily drive= r, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2=A0 other than a bad
starter and alternator.

A. Guzman
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Subject: Re: [6pa= ck] Electrical problems
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=C2=A0 Thanks! I have seen those schematics bu= t didn't have a copy. Sloane, I
think you are= right. The stalk switches and horn relay are likely culprits.
The kinds of quieky electrical problems that Mr. Guzman is ad= dressing often
stem from broken grounds but a sho= rt in the stalk switches may eventually
be found.= (Assumption that 'A.' is male, thus the prefix 'Mr.'. Alth= ough
today, assuming a gender is PC suicide.) Any= way...
=C2=A0 Good words of caution about un-fus= ed circuits. I once saw an interesting
gadget. It= was a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and clip lead on
one end and a battery terminal connector on the other. The i= dea is to
remove the negative battery lead, attac= h the clip to the cable and place
the other on th= e battery post. Any circuit except the starter could work
but an accidental short circuit would pop the fuse rather than bur= ning the
harness - or worse.
=C2=A0 From the pictures that A. sent, it would be good maintenance = to
disconnect the battery and un-mount the relays= for cleaning. As we know,
the lower relay is the= starter relay. It keeps starter solenoid current
from the ignition switch and helps provide the seat belt starter interlock= .
A. also notes that the upper relay, the horn re= lay, shows a lot of
corrosion and that he has a n= ew one on order. Great opportunity to clean
all t= he wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they still fit securely
on to the 1/4" male tabs. If not, replace them. I= use SimpleGreen for
cleaning followed by brake c= leaner as needed.
=C2=A0 A. also reports that al= though the horn relay 'clicks' at the press of
the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests a bad horn=
relay. Although why the headlights flash on is m= ore likely to be a short in
the column or associa= ted stalk switches. Testing continues...

Rick

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team= .net>
wrote:
> First, do you have the nice color schematics, = found here.
>
> I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Loo= king at the purple
> circuit on a 76, it does = seem there's a connection with the horn and the
> flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and= sending
> negative back up thru the purple wi= re, and it's making its way over to the
> = flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink
> 'on' or 'off', and does the ho= rn also blow?
>
>= Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a
> circuit breaker, so=C2=A0 you could be treadin= g in dangerous waters. You'll see
> the br= own wires are a direct connection between the battery and the
> headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the p= urple circuit
> which is the 'always' = on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 So this
> is all definitely related.
>
=
> Sloane
> ---------= ---------------------
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> 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM
>
> Sorry I was not to= o specific on describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the
> headlights that blink when I press the horn button.=C2=A0 I've= had the car for
> 18 years,=C2=A0 daily drive= r, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2=A0 other
> than a bad
> starter and alterna= tor.
>
> A. Guzma= n
> '76 TR6-Java Green
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Thanks for the reminder abou= t this collection of schematics.? I've had these for many years and I h= ave referred to them on many occasions.? Kudos to Dan Masters who put a lot= of time in research and drawing these up.
The Pu= rple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function but the main power= for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on the battery cable = so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass I am at a loss t= o explain a direct interconnection.? A dodgy connection in the fuse block c= ould be the cause if it were otherwise.? Something to look for is a wire-to= -wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the steering wheel.

Did you or anyone else do so= me work under the dash and disconnect and reconnect wires?

Dave

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Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 10:05 pm
Subje= ct: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems

#yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}First, do you= have the nice color schematics, found here.?http://www.adv= anceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf
I'm no electr= ician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple circuit on a 76= , it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flash-to-pass= switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending negative bac= k up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the flash-to= -pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on= 9; or 'off', and does the horn also blow??
Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a c= ircuit breaker, so? you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll s= ee the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the head= light switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is= the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).? So this = is all definitely related.?
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Hello friends,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am having = my TR6 painted at MAACO. And before anyone chastises me, I have used these = guys for four other vehicles with excellent results. Its the people, not th= e brand name that makes the difference. Anyway, here's the problem.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MAACO uses PPG's Shop Line brand of pa= int. Its good. What they don't have is a formula for 1975 Triumph #82 C= armine Red! What I do have is internet search results that don't cross-= reference to anything at MAACO. Here's what I have:

Triumph: 82 Carmine Red
Alt. Code: 209
Alt. Code: CAA
PPG Ditzler: 72065
Dupont Max: 43019

=C2=A0 =C2=A0But I don't have = the mix formula for PPG Shop Line.

Please help. My car is ready to go for paint.

Rick
--0000000000003e08ea0592736f8d-- --===============6980508873796322262== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============6980508873796322262==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 12:50:49 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E94A0339 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:50:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f50.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF07A0326 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:50:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f50.google.com with SMTP id a1so6650644ioc.6 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:50:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HAZ8ly7LSwAQBWbiyIkLSiUmx5O75w2SX4mA6SwdZ4o=; b=QGHYGO6wT0S5PsoHLaI7zoG0y9q4tBO+BAOF6AxKduIC8zKs4OFKmFrzL8gRB7X2zP PsVQRCNwrUyOcqIkFpf7Rm+wAwUoyA+IC3qKqOcl1w86eLMeVfQry0RWw/GI+X4H1ycR foI0z++92jhypBe7QeYMawrIqNMzj4B0ouuiMSS/1Hj9dW+suMrAsjoTraTTKxFz+A6z iYELHq3r2/OwmcADyYlZ39zrk16xCzOLlp5OOLTIutjP2hloo0gFerXC5XbwArOckI9o YvtptvvMndXi3bMuJyvdcmSjTLp/OvNyyBWk70v+8xth/xYfbOYn0bxWlvUWtAGiDpmu VtEQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=HAZ8ly7LSwAQBWbiyIkLSiUmx5O75w2SX4mA6SwdZ4o=; b=DFi0eqbjKdbkvqHvIiuZ/Xk3ltJqicER3aujuSZJEQLb/NKPbPvvpwURb7MXZUDME1 1IHB/05/gT/nvJuAt1DZ86zzX0zB99NttvNqhTCCxHD/wI6YsfcHnx7Svgx5zjclAu3/ eugeTzC9W3dkEZ2Xl4VjXl1CbQcdFCwWEWTB3tv0XXy5pMAwkYvx2QKKiUNSlvCROZeO iJ8KILPEcK/TbDFWZTTEj3j+Z5lQ/NYDRxOHicolul1ytSEKVXYOsUzrGTMrY2WhiC73 Uqv+gVLf4RquLOB0TeL3jiVqe/fCVlaKb2KBh++0lp3PncwyonTuW/DOt1e5QZHhDK0e mbuA== AfqglI3j5TP1W2pswRyq4ucNxqOfFx7SDNL27UVeBw== Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:50:40 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:50:29 -0500 To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Carmine Red #82 Help please... From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2393684112172505332== --0000000000000d0c3c059273bbf9 Two more Carmine paint codes: Glasurit: TIB305 Sherwin Williams: 5891 On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 1:29 PM Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hello friends, > I am having my TR6 painted at MAACO. And before anyone chastises me, I > have used these guys for four other vehicles with excellent results. Its > the people, not the brand name that makes the difference. Anyway, here's > the problem. > MAACO uses PPG's Shop Line brand of paint. Its good. What they don't > have is a formula for 1975 Triumph #82 Carmine Red! What I do have is > internet search results that don't cross-reference to anything at MAACO. > Here's what I have: > > Triumph: 82 Carmine Red > Alt. Code: 209 > Alt. Code: CAA > PPG Ditzler: 72065 > Dupont Max: 43019 > > But I don't have the mix formula for PPG Shop Line. > > Please help. My car is ready to go for paint. > > Rick > --0000000000000d0c3c059273bbf9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Two more Carmine paint codes:

Glasurit: TIB305
Sherwin Will= iams: 5891


On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 1:29 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com> wro= te:
Hello friends= ,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am having my TR6 painted at MAACO. And be= fore anyone chastises me, I have used these guys for four other vehicles wi= th excellent results. Its the people, not the brand name that makes the dif= ference. Anyway, here's the problem.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0MAACO uses PPG's Shop Line brand of paint. Its good. What they don&#= 39;t have is a formula for 1975 Triumph #82 Carmine Red! What I do have is = internet search results that don't cross-reference to anything at MAACO= . Here's what I have:

Triumph: 82 Carmine Red
Alt. Code: 209
Alt. Code: CAA
PPG Ditzler: 72065
<= div dir=3D"auto">Dupont Max: 43019

=C2=A0 =C2=A0But I don't have the mix formula for PPG Shop L= ine.

Please help. My car= is ready to go for paint.

Rick
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Have you considered providing them the paint.  You can get some mixed with the codes that you have and they won't have to deviate from their usual supply chain.

BTW, the painters at MAACO do a fine job of laying down paint.  Where they don't do so well is the prep and masking but if you do all that you can take as much time and do as good a job as you wish and get a well done job.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2019 1:29 pm
Subject: [6pack] Carmine Red #82 Help please...

Hello friends,
   I am having my TR6 painted at MAACO. And before anyone chastises me, I have used these guys for four other vehicles with excellent results. Its the people, not the brand name that makes the difference. Anyway, here's the problem.
   MAACO uses PPG's Shop Line brand of paint. Its good. What they don't have is a formula for 1975 Triumph #82 Carmine Red! What I do have is internet search results that don't cross-reference to anything at MAACO. Here's what I have:

Triumph: 82 Carmine Red
Alt. Code: 209
Alt. Code: CAA
PPG Ditzler: 72065
Dupont Max: 43019

   But I don't have the mix formula for PPG Shop Line.

Please help. My car is ready to go for paint.

Rick
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Providing your own paint is a good suggestion, also removi= ng all trim yourself, as it isn't done by Maaco.
This includes: hea= d and tail lamps, door locks, grill, wiper bushings. Removing the windscree= n and replacing rubber seal for professional job.
Nothing looks w= orse than opening the door and seeing the latches painted over..
=
Al=C2=A0

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 3:21 PM DAVID MASSEY = via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net<= /a>> wrote:
Have you considered providing them the paint.=C2=A0 = You can get some mixed with the codes that you have and they won't have= to deviate from their usual supply chain.

BTW, the painters at MAACO do a fine job of laying do= wn paint.=C2=A0 Where they don't do so well is the prep and masking but= if you do all that you can take as much time and do as good a job as you w= ish and get a well done job.

Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <
6pack@autox.team.net>
To: TR6 <6pack= @autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2019 1:29 pm
Subject: [6pack] Carmine Red #82 Help please...

Hello friends,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am having my TR6 painted at MAACO. And before anyone ch= astises me, I have used these guys for four other vehicles with excellent r= esults. Its the people, not the brand name that makes the difference. Anywa= y, here's the problem.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MAACO uses PPG's Shop Line brand of paint. Its good. = What they don't have is a formula for 1975 Triumph #82 Carmine Red! Wha= t I do have is internet search results that don't cross-reference to an= ything at MAACO. Here's what I have:

Triumph: 82 Carmine Red
Alt. Code: 209
Alt. Code: CAA
PPG Ditzler: 72065
Dupont Max: 43019

=C2=A0 =C2=A0But I don't have the mix formula for PPG Shop Line.

Please help. My car is ready to go for paint.

Rick
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--00000000000086ef55059277dcd5-- --===============8240037942075278458== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============8240037942075278458==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 14 04:17:42 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479D7A02FA for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 04:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4888DA02AC for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 04:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f42.google.com with SMTP id d17so46252590ios.13 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 03:16:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hFDMmmv3E0mHQeC22zJVY9ZI2vURxI7n3zL+Ixq3IPo=; b=oR1QUjtteV/+jWq2/LhioRpmp+5N9mrvo/JkI8pkUMklKGWRvpLwh1spPwRAXprel5 TiPYhT9f35Ma5jai/QXEQV65fJQ6iuUBdabjtDuqzgDSYviZrfcefOYOhTlwLC4fCFQH PRsLNo8Uu6CXBbSSbmVSrMOLL+saz64A6yjOP9yamFgl7qTeLnHMi3VBPRX7NIU9JX7w uvgXLRrt7fW0rev9HuJEcua7jXKDCUeb0rhwtlA/jV6lk6xEPidq9ClAMA03QIMPzAA8 aG6dPBrC7bhhhhFP6ESKuDP1U0Xz5O2IJBE76/x77GppWuOhqKRBNYGSKJyIVPDUxqib AzYw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hFDMmmv3E0mHQeC22zJVY9ZI2vURxI7n3zL+Ixq3IPo=; b=YShaS4w4RkxIhQ3j+//BcvVHww8fzDRzRV6fBRqQmNlBcmk0CybVpOBi2OEqVu39mV Ov4vxD/tj7N/tIpp96a0r+Ahy+/sGNgWEF+B1D/Y1FzUrAgFXYMmSComOB8MXosQ6dQH y9RiiG4nHEih4b39hYHbyweqIh9CQoCj8XfmYhbu1uSm3Q23/6sEF3T1rNxGXGP+5tW0 XXEXITYGIWlkAyQrzARs7q74r8iSkIuWBiNQshd6IzaPjbMVVRjIz2jmzYtdHRTTvIYr MBctXAOrnEBJWXS6oUddXXxb6OTsQ2BDzsTzbrpj6oq/W9S7oc4s8RtYkuMDo+l5ilc8 nNUQ== dl6mWbdzfLW8l+Qk63WM7TByKXVL9ZDYRckT6b4= Sat, 14 Sep 2019 03:16:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <1888969361.4711106.1568402454574@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 05:16:40 -0500 To: alan salvatore Subject: Re: [6pack] Carmine Red #82 Help please... From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3059963007676763755== --000000000000656a4d059280ab29 > Nothing looks worse than opening the door and seeing the latches > painted over.. > > Al So true. And nothing says 'amateur' more than reusing or paint on old rubber gaskets! My car is stripped bare. No windscreen, no door 'innards', no dash or interior. Only things still there are an old GT6 steering wheel and shifter knob, an old driver's seat mounted on restored seat rails, and bungee cords to keep the doors closed. I am already excited to begin the reassembly. Seeing it come back together is such a treat! Rick --000000000000656a4d059280ab29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>=C2=A0Nothing looks worse than opening the door and s= eeing the latches
> painted over..
>
> Al=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0S= o true. And nothing says 'amateur' more than reusing or paint on ol= d rubber gaskets! My car is stripped bare. No windscreen, no door 'inna= rds', no dash or interior. Only things still there are an old GT6 steer= ing wheel and shifter knob, an old driver's seat mounted on restored se= at rails, and bungee cords to keep the doors closed.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am already excited to begin the reassembly. Seei= ng it come back together is such a treat!

Rick
--000000000000656a4d059280ab29-- --===============3059963007676763755== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============3059963007676763755==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 14 05:36:03 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E037A02A9 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 05:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f41.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D4DA0294 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 05:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f41.google.com with SMTP id r8so43438472iol.10 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 04:35:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g/JwjaF3u/1eJ1I5oEjRuQtSvddefuuiA29SCIcEErM=; b=QUahfUaUsfEttcfzGPLW2IH7Qb95oQVAZY1time5Gp9EMvjPj1W12/LVbAXFpMzJPD S6b43wUnGcMgy/dkCVK7CBnWrSTSnc4fOGS5cwW3ijc6Md0elz1rKR7191bpOY9uAEaj +HS+HVrd9uk72KupDDnMm3VnA1Us/CS7wwRxFZEoAcVppoTwBIh72oXdaLz1E7IjMwsP VlJQXaivBl73o7d6HQNZ5BfsNR11TI/8V53n+oFS3SJpeJ5dJnpX8b3ReDjfxmSbDoyp u2RE1JyHCPiuK7mAXUYN11snPEfXz2ec9xvaHZDntfuWX10+U4ii9kcGmqkSizNnJxOf Mwtw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g/JwjaF3u/1eJ1I5oEjRuQtSvddefuuiA29SCIcEErM=; b=OS6IZl4P4/Ie94F3htPIz7kJe3iIyI9qIfjx4Q8zrMn78QYOO9RIuBHhdkRDcfURNy uWsYnJS59twlX61sY5krQHCXrDKSz+BntmECCp9wd8dj+KRUnMyYU5zxLFBnLfWrjSq2 DEg6RhjCV2TZKB3RJ19Bp9K/FHgEuQof41dY7a34VdqWl58TXyzau/h5okTDT08Nl+ix zv4+4tfpeiGW+l5kuFgwF77OHbr8+tFcYqcUMmqrhydmkSrRPmQTbV1/6aS2NsMbVq+u Lw1sH22081I3yE9zw751Vd/YThEppnAabMfCkzYpjHxMkxelaY/LNz+7jDbv/RTG285e kCrg== 9nPfsrIEXmZXO88QlH8fRCbH1QbfuGnH8Y2q03UTsQ== Sat, 14 Sep 2019 04:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:34:59 -0500 To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Paint From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8613715306059470643== --00000000000071919e059281c3e6 Hello friends, I visited the painter yesterday, as planned, and recieved a nice surprise. Management had all of the paint dispensers replaced so the mix precision is now restored to new, not that it was ever bad. The paint guy knows the PPG Shopline paint inside and out. I have worked with the manager before on four previous jobs and she is fair and honest. She discounts the costs for me and measures the labor honestly (repeat customer). The TR6 requires very little body work so the labor charge is minimal. There are four holes in the rear deck lid that will be welded closed (old luggage rack mounts) and a small rust spot where water leaked in through one of the holes. Other than that, there are just a few dimples on the bonnet that will be flattened. And of course sanding to a stable base. The finishing process will then be: repairs > high build epoxy sealant > block sanding > basecoat > 3 layers of clearcoat. All done in urethane for a wet-look gloss. One week turn around and starting on a Monday. Paint by the end of the week, final curing over the weekend. Triumph number '82 Carmine' red paint color is of course, not in their color formula table. The car is 45 years old and as we know, somewhat rare to boot. I have the PPG, Dupont and Ditzler paint codes as well as the Triumph code but that doesn't really help. What I do have that will work is a bottle of Carmine red touchup paint and the color is correct. So, I'm going to paint a sample card with that paint and their color computer can scan and match it! The paint guy is meticulous and will mix a test to compare. After that its painting as normal. I will also save the formula in case of subsequent work (gasp). Its Saturday morning so my junior mechanic, a.k.a. grandson, comes to help at the shop. We have great fun on Saturday mornings. We first have breakfast, then go to the shop. Sometimes we go to Harbor Freight together to walk the isles and get the free doodad of the week. Once at the shop we do actual work - for a while - then he rides his bike and visits with the guy in the unit next door. That guy often brings his teenage daughter along and she is great with Kelum...and she is a motorhead, restoring her old pickup truck. That's it. Off to work and play. Rick --00000000000071919e059281c3e6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello friends,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I visited the pa= inter yesterday, as planned, and recieved a nice surprise. Management had a= ll of the paint dispensers replaced so the mix precision is now restored to= new, not that it was ever bad. The paint guy knows the PPG Shopline paint = inside and out. I have worked with the manager before on four previous jobs= and she is fair and honest. She discounts the costs for me and measures th= e labor honestly (repeat customer).
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0The TR6 requires very little body work so the labor charge is min= imal. There are four holes in the rear deck lid that will be welded closed = (old luggage rack mounts) and a small rust spot where water leaked in throu= gh one of the holes. Other than that, there are just a few dimples on the b= onnet that will be flattened. And of course sanding to a stable base.
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The finishing process will then b= e: repairs > high build epoxy sealant > block sanding > basecoat &= gt; 3 layers of clearcoat. All done in urethane for a wet-look gloss. One w= eek turn around and starting on a Monday. Paint by the end of the week, fin= al curing over the weekend.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= Triumph number '82 Carmine' red paint color is of course, not in th= eir color formula table. The car is 45 years old and as we know, somewhat r= are to boot. I have the PPG, Dupont and Ditzler paint codes as well as the = Triumph code but that doesn't really help. What I do have that will wor= k is a bottle of Carmine red touchup paint and the color is correct. So, I&= #39;m going to paint a sample card with that paint and their color computer= can scan and match it! The paint guy is meticulous and will mix a test to = compare. After that its painting as normal. I will also save the formula in= case of subsequent work (gasp).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Its Saturday morning so my juni= or mechanic, a.k.a. grandson, comes to help at the shop. We have great fun = on Saturday mornings. We first have breakfast, then go to the shop. Sometim= es we go to Harbor Freight together to walk the isles and get the free dood= ad of the week. Once at the shop we do actual work - for a while - then he = rides his bike and visits with the guy in the unit next door. That guy ofte= n brings his teenage daughter along and she is great with Kelum...and she i= s a motorhead, restoring her old pickup truck.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0That's it. Off to work and play.

Rick
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Indeed.  I set up a camera on a tripod and made a sequence of photos of the frame reassembly.  What fun.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
To: alan salvatore <alansalvy@gmail.com>
Cc: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 14, 2019 5:16 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] Carmine Red #82 Help please...

> Nothing looks worse than opening the door and seeing the latches
> painted over..
>
> Al 

   So true. And nothing says 'amateur' more than reusing or paint on old rubber gaskets! My car is stripped bare. No windscreen, no door 'innards', no dash or interior. Only things still there are an old GT6 steering wheel and shifter knob, an old driver's seat mounted on restored seat rails, and bungee cords to keep the doors closed.
   I am already excited to begin the reassembly. Seeing it come back together is such a treat!

Rick
------=_Part_4833209_1637923304.1568465259990-- --===============6229558893054074292== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============6229558893054074292==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 14 09:02:09 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3E6A03BC for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qk1-f171.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8806BA0270 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qk1-f171.google.com with SMTP id y144so23348106qkb.7 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 08:00:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DjSNa48XWU0H1z2EZPyWbzvSz2D/1OatmWJuCULvnF4=; b=gPjkYlB1nNr8pMJxgIlhvuB7mbsV+M84+F/vO+nYYzm49EBKXSJrXuhhfIYFQuABmp 7/KhTXgiB6sbeG9F8kgdu2pEWl2bIHrOGedn08VQWoirAwIaHyS843zPVcOtXg4LtLT6 9vKBzWilEvIb/DKgIYUYenENCROm82SodROm0PYmkkDPBVd6jh/rVF5OY8B7YaidhveU kwQLKnPZzfHJ3Il0COCXROheXmZXWkrGmcGaWgqIDc4wBEE6RYrLx9wA0GALmgHHF6Zh g0it2oh5/auUZf7abp8eBHFfqqZ+DLkVJ/ky2K5wZZ1q3TLn6G8D+Cd0XBO0pwG/fhSb dx9g== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DjSNa48XWU0H1z2EZPyWbzvSz2D/1OatmWJuCULvnF4=; b=YKnGofu/OFn6SgcmBgDfuw6hASvdyQcuB4LCq+XPScDvZWHzF5/9XdJQqp9KDtafLK FOslwcakL2Tgr5nnAD7fQ4AcOtPwPTWu1GIW6Gn4Ezcr9CAL1WHm4klbvPiULC2o7J8O EDioGEN3Q5UoNr26+BoM/k6U0vwgML7jdxh6mLaOWIuG+38xTMsfRj9yQsTN8Hb3qAIp DDAmeKOfrkIEBzn5tSq1iqq1VBW2vjstKKGO2l9pYGuGyKZ5//cBcj3j2bdYm6AVpTFo rrN7TPkYKRBJEulkOj+YuLZbt8m4w9GVDE9fILoGs5Vsvxfq4mxpqeyDgsFTesRnyjQ8 nw9w== PmAAvzq22HTJXGbSeCA0Rmo6Ml9w5KJgd4RGxfA= Sat, 14 Sep 2019 08:00:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <1888969361.4711106.1568402454574@mail.yahoo.com> <1517762452.4833210.1568465259991@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:00:18 -0400 To: DAVID MASSEY Subject: Re: [6pack] Carmine Red #82 Help please... From: alan salvatore via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0181062933296519668== --000000000000d2cbe0059284a160 Sounds like your all set! On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 8:47 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Indeed. I set up a camera on a tripod and made a sequence of photos of > the frame reassembly. What fun. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lindsay > To: alan salvatore > Cc: DAVID MASSEY ; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Sat, Sep 14, 2019 5:16 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] Carmine Red #82 Help please... > > > Nothing looks worse than opening the door and seeing the latches > > painted over.. > > > > Al > > So true. And nothing says 'amateur' more than reusing or paint on old > rubber gaskets! My car is stripped bare. No windscreen, no door 'innards', > no dash or interior. Only things still there are an old GT6 steering wheel > and shifter knob, an old driver's seat mounted on restored seat rails, and > bungee cords to keep the doors closed. > I am already excited to begin the reassembly. Seeing it come back > together is such a treat! > > Rick > --000000000000d2cbe0059284a160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like your all set!

On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 8:47 AM D= AVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
Indeed.=C2=A0 I set up a camera on a tripod and made= a sequence of photos of the frame reassembly.=C2=A0 What fun.

Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: Richard Lindsay <
richardolindsay@gmail.com>
To: alan salvatore <alansalvy@gmail.com>
Cc: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 14, 2019 5:16 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] Carmine Red #82 Help please...

>=C2=A0Nothing looks worse than opening the door and seeing the lat= ches
> painted over..
>
> Al=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0So true. And nothing says 'amateur' more than reu= sing or paint on old rubber gaskets! My car is stripped bare. No windscreen= , no door 'innards', no dash or interior. Only things still there a= re an old GT6 steering wheel and shifter knob, an old driver's seat mou= nted on restored seat rails, and bungee cords to keep the doors closed.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am already excited to begin the reassembly. Seeing it c= ome back together is such a treat!

Rick
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Hello Friends,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Just a quick= post to share the morning's work. Prep for engine removal from our Mas= erati Biturbo parts car.=C2=A0


Rick

On Sat, Sep 14, 2019, = 6:34 AM Richard Lindsay <ri= chardolindsay@gmail.com> wrote:
=
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0Its Saturday morning so my junior mechanic, a.k.a. grandson, comes to he= lp at the shop. We have great fun on Saturday mornings.=C2=A0
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You guys heard of over extending a brake master cylinder?= If so, please tell me more. With a small block under the pedal i can't= seem to get the MC to fill properly. Help, please.

Rick
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The hose not only has a nylon jacket, it is also steel reinforced! http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_093011.jpg I found a beautiful color match for the Triumph Carmine Red. Its a GM color and easily repeatable in case of accident. In the picture linked below, the upper sample is Triumph #82 Carmine, the code for which my painter can't find...but it is available in the custom touch-up paint market. The lower sample is a GM color. http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_103740.jpg Here's the data. http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_103637.jpg Rick _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 12:45:26 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC4EA07D6 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (unknown [64.59.134.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97565A06EF for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cds212.dcs.int.inet ([10.0.153.106]) by shaw.ca with ESMTP id 9vlGi4rbdsAGk9vlHiqmEa; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:30:08 -0600 s=s20180605; t=1568658608; bh=cFvJWU91OZlnQNb5GcsKJle3JHbVC4wwo5HU2n2LF04=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=dipcfx0GJxgtDLsg1Gid8z8JcHAsRnulDiP4hGDJhJL5CW+P4AVbAYMdIsWo7ZJcD 7npQVY/YK7wjH/9wSkKvRHXb9Sofr69vW7+VrhzCNmVFB9CSz8ZF1rag4G2b7aH37c /azFD6WzZlo8e6/X0G1tHs0CAavqy4Kz7hthi4bSfx+nTj1qi1hKdTLjhb8PQ18oWZ /Gdmj21TviOzeY8+mqEoQgYQ3jDcB2rGZA20wDsnHE8Jg+0S+jWQ8fxEEna7n/VpKd H81RsCRr7EPSNdybsY/D6Og/iNq4Wn5PeOlIEQtD9FvffxtLvRT2g4XxaLkVpG8DoB 8PEbDsZqlMDww== a=HFQqj96qIZ8/iaHlJmiohA==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=H-G6tWTVmw4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=W4uCbKaqAAAA:8 a=UwKBT6ksH4MYElqlPrIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=c0Q9M0uomoIA:10 a=SAh0ikjrIbsA:10 a=3O6s6C99t5AA:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=VKbK_HkfXaPryAKG8W8A:9 a=9kkGm5xXhlE78V-a:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=AkUANTcJvm8MtdjiOtAt:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=6VlIyEUom7LUIeUMNQJH:22 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:30:04 -0600 (MDT) To: 6pack@autox.team.net References: (Mac)/8.8.11_GA_3787) Thread-Topic: Master cylinder (Richard Lindsay) Thread-Index: EGxAYMrjDEFt5V49V0fFHuOE9Arraw== x1Q63B48MKVySBGMviv+LzduOaO/n+W+fZ1cF+fJzGClPFSvi7S4aynwf1lpJe3DtTLPh1XFelRW69R63ffMaOwS3F+0KDeDIfY= Subject: [6pack] Master cylinder (Richard Lindsay) From: COLIN THOM via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8949939744201796017== boundary="=_0cd39394-1986-46bf-8634-7b81bb7c15d2" --=_0cd39394-1986-46bf-8634-7b81bb7c15d2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why would you restrict pedal travel by putting a wood block under it? You won't harm anything by letting the pedal achieve its full travel. Ever. Colin From: 6pack-request@autox.team.net To: 6pack@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:00:04 AM Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to 6pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 6pack-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at 6pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Master cylinder (Richard Lindsay) 2. Color (Richard Lindsay) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:34:05 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Master cylinder You guys heard of over extending a brake master cylinder? If so, please tell me more. With a small block under the pedal i can't seem to get the MC to fill properly. Help, please. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:16:05 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Color Hello Friends, Today I replaced all of the fuel hoses and clamps in my TR6. The hose not only has a nylon jacket, it is also steel reinforced! http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_093011.jpg I found a beautiful color match for the Triumph Carmine Red. Its a GM color and easily repeatable in case of accident. In the picture linked below, the upper sample is Triumph #82 Carmine, the code for which my painter can't find...but it is available in the custom touch-up paint market. The lower sample is a GM color. http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_103740.jpg Here's the data. http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_103637.jpg Rick ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ 6pack mailing list 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack ------------------------------ End of 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20 ************************************* --=_0cd39394-1986-46bf-8634-7b81bb7c15d2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Why would you restrict pedal travel by putt= ing a wood block under it? You won't harm anything by letting the pedal ach= ieve its full travel. Ever.

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Hello Friends,

   Today I replaced all of the fue= l hoses and clamps in my TR6. The
hose not only has a nylon jacket, it i= s also steel reinforced!

http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_093011= .jpg

   I found a beautiful color match for the Triumph Ca= rmine Red. Its a
GM color and easily repeatable in case of accident. In = the picture
linked below, the upper sample is Triumph #82 Carmine, the c= ode for
which my painter can't find...but it is available in the custom<= br>touch-up paint market. The lower sample is a GM color.

http://aub= ard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_103740.jpg

   Here's the data.<= br>
http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_103637.jpg

Rick

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Others have argued seal damage by allowing full travel. Just taking the safer path. Will remove it now. On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 1:45 PM COLIN THOM wrote: > Why would you restrict pedal travel by putting a wood block under it? You > won't harm anything by letting the pedal achieve its full travel. Ever. > > Colin > > ------------------------------ > *From: *6pack-request@autox.team.net > *To: *6pack@autox.team.net > *Sent: *Monday, September 16, 2019 11:00:04 AM > *Subject: *6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20 > > Send 6pack mailing list submissions to > 6pack@autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > 6pack-request@autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > 6pack-owner@autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Master cylinder (Richard Lindsay) > 2. Color (Richard Lindsay) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:34:05 -0500 > From: Richard Lindsay > To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> > Subject: [6pack] Master cylinder > Message-ID: > < > CAOc+-dwbgSptyJjg9HqZiAjP_uBGmKK__XYP6weYiRyg0M01Tg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > You guys heard of over extending a brake master cylinder? If so, please > tell me more. With a small block under the pedal i can't seem to get the MC > to fill properly. Help, please. > > Rick > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/6pack/attachments/20190916/f22633e1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:16:05 -0500 > From: Richard Lindsay > To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> > Subject: [6pack] Color > Message-ID: > < > CAOc+-dyqnfb6siXRK8XfG6ymDqa+6wpvpPO2Fzu79gTFKxM-hw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello Friends, > > Today I replaced all of the fuel hoses and clamps in my TR6. The > hose not only has a nylon jacket, it is also steel reinforced! > > http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_093011.jpg > > I found a beautiful color match for the Triumph Carmine Red. Its a > GM color and easily repeatable in case of accident. In the picture > linked below, the upper sample is Triumph #82 Carmine, the code for > which my painter can't find...but it is available in the custom > touch-up paint market. The lower sample is a GM color. > > http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_103740.jpg > > Here's the data. > > http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_103637.jpg > > Rick > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > 6pack mailing list > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > > ------------------------------ > > End of 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20 > ************************************* > --000000000000deba2a0592b05968 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you. Others have argued seal damage by allowing ful= l travel. Just taking the safer path. Will remove it now.

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Why would you restrict pedal travel by putting a wood block under it? = You won't harm anything by letting the pedal achieve its full travel. E= ver.

Colin


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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:34:05 -0500
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You guys heard of over extending a brake master= cylinder? If so, please
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to fill properly. Help, please.

= Rick
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:16:05 -0500
From: Richard Lin= dsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
To: TR6 <6pack@au= tox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] Color
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Hello Friends,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Today I replaced all of the fue= l hoses and clamps in my TR6. The
hose not only has a nylon jacket, it i= s also steel reinforced!

http://aubard.us/75_T= riumph/20190916_093011.jpg

=C2=A0=C2=A0 I found a beautiful colo= r match for the Triumph Carmine Red. Its a
GM color and easily repeatabl= e in case of accident. In the picture
linked below, the upper sample is = Triumph #82 Carmine, the code for
which my painter can't find...but = it is available in the custom
touch-up paint market. The lower sample is= a GM color.

http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190= 916_103740.jpg

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Here's the data.

http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190916_103637.jpg

= Rick


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Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:46:11 +0000 Received: from BN6PR18MB1140.namprd18.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b0d6:f782:e15a:cf5b]) by BN6PR18MB1140.namprd18.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b0d6:f782:e15a:cf5b%11]) with mapi id 15.20.2263.023; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:46:11 +0000 To: 6pack list <6pack@autox.team.net> Thread-Topic: [6pack] Brake MC Thread-Index: AQHVbMoTBZwzhXUEFk66jyBmx8ngfqcu1MRD Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:46:11 +0000 References: <4E00EC1C-EC5A-4F4E-831B-3209B7ED9D76@yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:E5D64AD64237D579E0A5A70D7E86947881DDBA9D82FB5A0A0B58789EE711C251; UpperCasedChecksum:A6AFE40187966D59FBB375475A5EAA546638927C410E3549CF7FB3DB727512D7; SizeAsReceived:6782; Count:43 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [5VtVee6/8+0a6wK9FqDjaw9cCvybti7taAbFisfFCFBaU/UeGAWoR3mTIz8Ez15QV1ftoMqJ5w8=] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 43 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(5050001)(7020095)(20181119158)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031322404)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:CO1NAM03HT168; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: CO1NAM03HT168: x-ms-exchange-purlcount: 1 x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: IDUgBcmSWVe0HbhaZwQ9itR7MYpjq/nQQ7T1LZ08GU0XtweZS1lFpbnHkM64Y7JAiuDYIj8b6zF4xhWvRfJdMcG0313awREf0Vfb7qrtJ/KbtXp2QgMrd7EiC8B3AA18GyQm+dJXYm7FBYN1XSYeSH3NiTXUDugjfT9mz5qqIEJcz5seLAlsTAM+8HcMpWaz x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: Re: [6pack] Brake MC From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8302297955829699154== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BN6PR18MB11401D40CC02620FB7E6762C8E8C0BN6PR18MB1140namp_" --_000_BN6PR18MB11401D40CC02620FB7E6762C8E8C0BN6PR18MB1140namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have heard stories about someone bleeding the breaks, (not loved LBC but = their daily driver), after replacing a caliper or wheel cylinder, and short= ly thereafter experienced a master cylinder failure. The reported reason wa= s the master cylinder was being pressed into territory that it didn't trave= l under normal conditions, and due to slight pitting or corrosion, the seal= s in the master were compromised. The block under the pedal is reported to= hopefully prevent this. Obviously not necessary with a new master cylinde= r. YMMV, Sloane ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Richard Taylor via = 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 7:57 PM To: 6pack list <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Brake MC I don=92t understand the logic of limiting the travel of the brake pedal, e= ither. While this pedal shouldn=92t have to travel even half of it stroke t= o apply full pressure to the brakes, we wouldn=92t want to limit it should = there be a failure in, say, half of the system. (Which would require a deep= er pedal to make contact. I don=92t know if it applies to this (brake) limiting of the pedal, but the= re are some clutch operating systems that require a =93pedal stop=94 so tha= t the throwout bearing isn=92t pushed out too far during the clutch disenga= gement. The hydraulic bearing in the Toyota 5 speed conversion would be one= of them. Dick otmail.com --_000_BN6PR18MB11401D40CC02620FB7E6762C8E8C0BN6PR18MB1140namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have heard stories about someone bleeding the breaks, (not loved LBC but = their daily driver), after replacing a caliper or wheel cylinder, and short= ly thereafter experienced a master cylinder failure. The reported reason wa= s the master cylinder was being pressed into territory that it didn't travel under normal conditions, and = due to slight pitting or corrosion, the seals in the master were compromise= d.  The block under the pedal is reported to hopefully prevent this.&n= bsp; Obviously not necessary with a new master cylinder. 

YMMV,
Sloane 

From: 6pack <6pack-bounc= es@autox.team.net> on behalf of Richard Taylor via 6pack <6pack@autox= .team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 7:57 PM
To: 6pack list <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] Brake MC
 
I don=92t understand the logic of limiting the tra= vel of the brake pedal, either. While this pedal shouldn=92t have to travel= even half of it stroke to apply full pressure to the brakes, we wouldn=92t= want to limit it should there be a failure in, say, half of the system. (Which would require a deeper pedal to make c= ontact.

I don=92t know if it applies to this (brake) limiting of the pedal, but the= re are some clutch operating systems that require a =93pedal stop=94 so tha= t the throwout bearing isn=92t pushed out too far during the clutch disenga= gement. The hydraulic bearing in the Toyota 5 speed conversion would be one of them.

Dick

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That makes perfect sense. Thank you.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019= , 4:46 PM im sloane via 6pack <6= pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
I have heard stories about someone bleeding the breaks, (not loved LBC but = their daily driver), after replacing a caliper or wheel cylinder, and short= ly thereafter experienced a master cylinder failure. The reported reason wa= s the master cylinder was being pressed into territory that it didn't travel under normal conditions, = and due to slight pitting or corrosion, the seals in the master were compro= mised.=C2=A0 The block under the pedal is reported to hopefully prevent thi= s.=C2=A0 Obviously not necessary with a new master cylinder.=C2=A0

YMMV,
Sloane=C2=A0

From: = 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Richa= rd Taylor via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
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To: 6pack list <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] Brake MC
=C2=A0
I don=E2=80=99t understand th= e logic of limiting the travel of the brake pedal, either. While this pedal= shouldn=E2=80=99t have to travel even half of it stroke to apply full pres= sure to the brakes, we wouldn=E2=80=99t want to limit it should there be a = failure in, say, half of the system. (Which would require a deeper pedal to make c= ontact.

I don=E2=80=99t know if it applies to this (brake) limiting of the pedal, b= ut there are some clutch operating systems that require a =E2=80=9Cpedal st= op=E2=80=9D so that the throwout bearing isn=E2=80=99t pushed out too far d= uring the clutch disengagement. The hydraulic bearing in the Toyota 5 speed conversion would be one of them.

Dick

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Hello,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0A couple of you (who= 's names I can't remember, sorry) wrote about receiving defective b= rake master cylinders from Moss. I'm in the same boat. There's a ch= ance that I got BOTH of these MCs from VickyBrit but I doubt it. Anyway...<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The first MC worked fine on the front b= rake circuit but the rear circuit was sealed! No fluid movement at all. The= second MC must be leaking internally. It will not build pressure front OR = rear, but fluid does flow.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0After multip= le bleeding, the pedal will build up a little resistance then goes to the f= loor. Let set for 2-3 minutes and the pedal goes to the floor with no resis= tance at all.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Do these symptoms sound f= amiliar=C2=A0to you? And who sells a good MC for a '75 TR6? Thanks.

Rick
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The R= oadster Factory will only sell TRW (Gerling) items. I wouldn't buy anything= from J.C. VictoriaBrit Whitney, especially not brake related. Sorry, no experience with the symptoms you described. Sloane 69 Six 72 Spit ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Richard Lindsay via= 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 3:36 PM To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Bad brake master cylinders Hello, A couple of you (who's names I can't remember, sorry) wrote about receiv= ing defective brake master cylinders from Moss. I'm in the same boat. There= 's a chance that I got BOTH of these MCs from VickyBrit but I doubt it. Any= way... The first MC worked fine on the front brake circuit but the rear circuit= was sealed! No fluid movement at all. The second MC must be leaking intern= ally. It will not build pressure front OR rear, but fluid does flow. After multiple bleeding, the pedal will build up a little resistance the= n goes to the floor. Let set for 2-3 minutes and the pedal goes to the floo= r with no resistance at all. --_000_BN6PR18MB1140FF94347248C392B980B58E8B0BN6PR18MB1140namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My experience with brake components is that Moss will sell OEM TRW (they bo= ught Gerling) items and also offer a cheaper aftermarket (GOLD) item. The R= oadster Factory will only sell TRW (Gerling) items. I wouldn't buy anything= from J.C. VictoriaBrit Whitney, especially not brake related. 

Sorry, no experience with the symptoms you described. 

Sloane  
69 Six
72 Spit

From: 6pack <6pack-bounc= es@autox.team.net> on behalf of Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@auto= x.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 3:36 PM
To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] Bad brake master cylinders
 
Hello,
   A couple of you (who's names I can't remembe= r, sorry) wrote about receiving defective brake master cylinders from Moss.= I'm in the same boat. There's a chance that I got BOTH of these MCs from V= ickyBrit but I doubt it. Anyway...
   The first MC worked fine on the front brake = circuit but the rear circuit was sealed! No fluid movement at all. The seco= nd MC must be leaking internally. It will not build pressure front OR rear,= but fluid does flow.
   After multiple bleeding, the pedal will buil= d up a little resistance then goes to the floor. Let set for 2-3 minutes an= d the pedal goes to the floor with no resistance at all.
 
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TRW/Gurling are the O= EM choice. They cost more but usually the quality is better. There are afte= rmarket master cylinders usually made in China or India. These can work but= out of the box failures have been reported. These are usually lower cost. = But there is a risk associated with them. I think (no evidence) that If you= put one in and it works then it is no worse than any other. =C2=A0 Moss se= lls those gold grade cylinders. These are at a premium price and are suppos= ed to be higher quality. However, when the product was new they had some ou= t of the box failures. I have not heard of anymore OOB failures with the go= ld grade. Moss is a large company and if there was an issue, I am sure they= would have corrected it.=C2=A0 The difficulty in all of this is I am not aware of the circumstances of the= se failures or even if they were real failures due to a quality issue rathe= r than mis-use or poor installation by the owner.=C2=A0 It is important to Bench Bleed these assemblies. See YouTube or your servic= e manual or the Haynes book (IMHO the Chilton books are worthless - sorry).= Bench bleeding can be done in the car. See www.bullfire.net Then there is the fluid. DOT 3 and DOT 4 cause the elastomers to swell. Eve= ntually the elastomers will fail but frequent use of the car seems to exten= d the life of the seals. I think changing out the fluid every 2 years or so= is a good thing / helps avoid water in your brake lines. DOT 5 is controve= rsial because the manufacturers include box inserts that say if you use DOT= 5 it voids their warranty. They don=E2=80=99t say that DOT 5 is incompatib= le. They just won=E2=80=99t support it. I will use DOT 5 because my car is = newly restored and painted and I don=E2=80=99t want paint damage if the cyl= inder leaks. YMMV.=C2=A0 Good luck and I hope this was useful.=C2=A0 John Cyg70 DamsonCC52927LO=C2=A0 ------=_Part_10728912_270529595.1569103696489 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are a number of master cylinders on the market. TR= W/Gurling are the OEM choice. They cost more but usually the quality is bet= ter. There are aftermarket master cylinders usually made in China or India.= These can work but out of the box failures have been reported. These are u= sually lower cost. But there is a risk associated with them. I think (no ev= idence) that If you put one in and it works then it is no worse than any ot= her.   Moss sells those gold grade cylinders. These are at a premium p= rice and are supposed to be higher quality. However, when the product was n= ew they had some out of the box failures. I have not heard of anymore OOB f= ailures with the gold grade. Moss is a large company and if there was an is= sue, I am sure they would have corrected it. 

The = difficulty in all of this is I am not aware of the circumstances of these f= ailures or even if they were real failures due to a quality issue rather th= an mis-use or poor installation by the owner. 

I= t is important to Bench Bleed these assemblies. See YouTube or your service= manual or the Haynes book (IMHO the Chilton books are worthless - sorry). = Bench bleeding can be done in the car. See www.bullfire.net

Then there is the fluid. DOT 3 and DOT 4 cause the elastomers to swe= ll. Eventually the elastomers will fail but frequent use of the car seems t= o extend the life of the seals. I think changing out the fluid every 2 year= s or so is a good thing / helps avoid water in your brake lines. DOT 5 is c= ontroversial because the manufacturers include box inserts that say if you = use DOT 5 it voids their warranty. They don=E2=80=99t say that DOT 5 is inc= ompatible. They just won=E2=80=99t support it. I will use DOT 5 because my = car is newly restored and painted and I don=E2=80=99t want paint damage if = the cylinder leaks. YMMV. 

Good luck and I hope = this was useful. 

John Cyg
70 Damson
CC52927LO 


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=0ASubject: Re: [6pack] Bad brake master cylinders
=0AFrom:= John Cyganowski via 6pack <6pac= k@autox.team.net>
=0ADate: Sat, September 21, 2019 5:08 pm
=0A= To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net>
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=0A
There are a number of master cylinders on the market. TRW/Gurl= ing are the OEM choice. They cost more but usually the quality is better. T= here are aftermarket master cylinders usually made in China or India. These= can work but out of the box failures have been reported. These are usually= lower cost. But there is a risk associated with them. I think (no evidence= ) that If you put one in and it works then it is no worse than any other. &= nbsp; Moss sells those gold grade cylinders. These are at a premium price a= nd are supposed to be higher quality. However, when the product was new the= y had some out of the box failures. I have not heard of anymore OOB failure= s with the gold grade. Moss is a large company and if there was an issue, I= am sure they would have corrected it. 

The diffic= ulty in all of this is I am not aware of the circumstances of these failure= s or even if they were real failures due to a quality issue rather than mis= -use or poor installation by the owner. 


Then there is the fluid. DOT 3 an= d DOT 4 cause the elastomers to swell. Eventually the elastomers will fail = but frequent use of the car seems to extend the life of the seals. I think = changing out the fluid every 2 years or so is a good thing / helps avoid wa= ter in your brake lines. DOT 5 is controversial because the manufacturers i= nclude box inserts that say if you use DOT 5 it voids their warranty. They = don=E2=80=99t say that DOT 5 is incompatible. They just won=E2=80=99t suppo= rt it. I will use DOT 5 because my car is newly restored and painted and I = don=E2=80=99t want paint damage if the cylinder leaks. YMMV. 

Good luck and I hope this was useful. 
=
John Cyg
70 Damson
CC52927LO 
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Fellow Enthusiasts,
 
Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the drain petcock ?
 
Thanks,
Vic Snively
'75 TR6 w/AC
 
 
------=_Part_599843_1359903914.1569767661263-- --===============1596038235554662231== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============1596038235554662231==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 29 09:22:42 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702C8A08C1 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 09:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f175.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900FDA04CC for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 09:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f175.google.com with SMTP id n1so13604148qtp.8 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:22:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jl01lagcGND+8E5nSAO5+cnT9QrFUDev2REPUA3Q/UY=; b=sjQqQG7zAEgH/77qcRbab/nv3pHuTCfOTrQLDutDwNt3Jz8HQC/2k9uJYEiz+0sTYY yuRsyJR0QMLtrz3bJCdEoxiL/m/n5+Ld/3X6bvCeaE+8maHzFVxPmzx73GBW1nhVTE9f 3+JzlSbfdmzkOoCwjsvWL+A6aAsy0ZU9DNus3Ao+/C6aR7Cfh05obQnAKfgilWzj/u/S 0wh//MNGCPav3xPlSVtHZWclxtlQJk55Bb9koGw3I17/0c5gpAqTpkoUFI9wJ6I+5FhP BxLG7YQDxC+0HbL4/bXhozGxiFJcHpDHHZf2HRqVVMaKolA/fKoJve7nOMHKuuj59l3/ 0cdQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jl01lagcGND+8E5nSAO5+cnT9QrFUDev2REPUA3Q/UY=; b=dGQAEc+XCTm2OUy35ZTKwUf3BhapcYMNoG03FL++SR7ovxJsWgZH0DrBGsCRTZf2vJ HotbXvDx1WXgIltju5PKdGk4aGBwHajMayppfzWT+KJ3q/MqKJxZgx1FNjwJXHNUuSdh WPZqsxueHwLKA8Q688zQCqJfZtcT7Rd1wB5MKrmJOvqalofh0ffchmz9pa5OwMNCtjN0 VYWy9qB8BpE+6DpoJ2yFXhvr1mO/LdlaoJ3t6GlTRlOUSOYtDVBkvhW0RBphHIXsRHAc HnJPJfFbfnITLN1tqb8ZF64+xrUTqR0fXlhivIIKG269WuNy8/gZukcHoAy+M0HrRsSx hdDA== ojvtZIYVkEEFDhSz/g/5/JCB2gdXVnSKNN11PiU= Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:22:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <1397271111.599844.1569767661264.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1397271111.599844.1569767661264@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:22:10 -0400 To: Victor Snively Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR From: alan salvatore via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5355066080809895986== --000000000000a3c3b30593b2afbb It can, you will need to change the thermostat elbow cover to a 74 or early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose. Al On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:34 AM Victor Snively via 6pack < 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the > drain petcock ? > > Thanks, > Vic Snively > '75 TR6 w/AC > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > --000000000000a3c3b30593b2afbb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From: alan salvatore <alansalvy@gmail.com>
To: Victor Snively <vsnively@aol.com>
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Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 11:22 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR

It can,  you will need to change the thermostat  elbow cover to a 74 or early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose.

Al

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:34 AM Victor Snively via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
Fellow Enthusiasts,
 
Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the drain petcock ?
 
Thanks,
Vic Snively
'75 TR6 w/AC
 
 
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------=_Part_830200_1975207893.1569841824424-- --===============8006277024373539398== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============8006277024373539398==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 09:29:26 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B28A0B5B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (unknown [64.59.134.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7556A0B43 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:29:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cds212.dcs.int.inet ([10.0.153.106]) by shaw.ca with ESMTP id Exc2iRIE1UIS2Exc3iVJEV; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:29:23 -0600 s=s20180605; t=1569857363; bh=J+89VocnAKz0cOGveVAzFC9vAUsfEXKmM1k664cHUUw=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=Fpi/Hhh4Fn3iwRRqq/ioBCYPC2+r6QpttQ1rm90MhI5qmoKWNy12fpzugVqhZp1IU i0/23Fo005/+CTSKP8TKYG9lJUksteL6/CspLPHpqgtSDEXvuCTJK5dHK6t0dv9F37 zpXAW0jUMiQ0TZKwcNpLzxYc8Q+x9mk2FGagOE3kLkBq42B0cOwtB01/Ptx8kx5lS2 sH14YHpprrrcFM147TAknZ0znTXYzpl0ndV5ohOlqrYclpqeuTXyy6DlTOJQr+sxHB 8kpw65/J2yRYQ6ZfVrXZ87YgZuVHgP/4+Bhc6J7I3PgQFDIKhJ51wCfkZ5PSJIsyrz t16H2+M56YkUA== s=s20180605; t=1569857363; bh=J+89VocnAKz0cOGveVAzFC9vAUsfEXKmM1k664cHUUw=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=Fpi/Hhh4Fn3iwRRqq/ioBCYPC2+r6QpttQ1rm90MhI5qmoKWNy12fpzugVqhZp1IU i0/23Fo005/+CTSKP8TKYG9lJUksteL6/CspLPHpqgtSDEXvuCTJK5dHK6t0dv9F37 zpXAW0jUMiQ0TZKwcNpLzxYc8Q+x9mk2FGagOE3kLkBq42B0cOwtB01/Ptx8kx5lS2 sH14YHpprrrcFM147TAknZ0znTXYzpl0ndV5ohOlqrYclpqeuTXyy6DlTOJQr+sxHB 8kpw65/J2yRYQ6ZfVrXZ87YgZuVHgP/4+Bhc6J7I3PgQFDIKhJ51wCfkZ5PSJIsyrz t16H2+M56YkUA== a=HFQqj96qIZ8/iaHlJmiohA==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=H-G6tWTVmw4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=dnhgTzDrtM7dOF3J-5gA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=c0Q9M0uomoIA:10 a=UPVsnjH4uIoA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=FbOWHgML_S0A:10 a=3O6s6C99t5AA:10 a=F0jxS4w4Yb2DQM7P:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:29:22 -0600 (MDT) To: 6pack@autox.team.net, vsnively@aol.com References: (Mac)/8.8.11_GA_3787) Thread-Topic: 1975 MODEL RADIATOR Thread-Index: OIS7NPeXF3wUFupFxH8gdBIz6GXqVA== i/f4ikvOb88MUeC0/3bf1UYIf9w8+U2WypHyeyJe1/K+UP4lgct1q//EdO1gRnTwSRqX1G3HdK5OYu/yy6d/dheYPL/c2WVZiis= Subject: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR From: COLIN THOM via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0975110532639113682== boundary="=_182dbb71-0cbd-4cc2-a39a-3ffa03c2762a" --=_182dbb71-0cbd-4cc2-a39a-3ffa03c2762a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...and you want to add the drain petcock. A decent rad shop can do it in a half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face of the rad, in the most reachable place I could find making sure there was room for the petcock to turn. You'll be glad you did. Colin From: 6pack-request@autox.team.net To: 6pack@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 11:00:04 AM Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 26 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to 6pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 6pack-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at 6pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 1975 MODEL RADIATOR (Victor Snively) 2. 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Al On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:34 AM Victor Snively via 6pack < 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the > drain petcock ? > > Thanks, > Vic Snively > '75 TR6 w/AC > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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...and you want to add the drain petcock. A= decent rad shop can do it in a half hour. I positioned mine on the left si= de, back face of the rad, in the most reachable place I could find making s= ure there was room for the petcock to turn.

You'll be glad you did.
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Fellow Enthusiasts,?Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975= model if I'm willing to forego the drain petcock ??Thanks,Vic Snively'75 T= R6 w/AC??
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It can,  yo= u will need to change the thermostat  elbow cover to a 74 or
early = cover and use a 74 top radiator hose.

Al

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> '75 TR6 w/AC
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The outlet used on the 75-76 cars is not being reproduce= d and getting hard to find. So, you might want keep it with the car or sell= it for the current market price.Berry -----Original Message----- From: COLIN THOM via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>; vsnively Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 8:29 am Subject: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR ...and you want to add the drain petcock. A decent rad shop can do it in a = half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face of the rad, in the= most reachable place I could find making sure there was room for the petco= ck to turn. You'll be glad you did.Colin From: 6pack-request@autox.team.net To: 6pack@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 11:00:04 AM Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 26 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://autox.team.net/mailm= an/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06pack-request@autox.team.ne= t You can reach the person managing the list at =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. 1975 MODEL RADIATOR (Victor Snively) =C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Re: 1975 MODEL RADIATOR (alan salvatore) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:34:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Victor Snively To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR Fellow Enthusiasts,?Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willin= g to forego the drain petcock ??Thanks,Vic Snively'75 TR6 w/AC?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:22:10 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: Victor Snively Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR Message-ID: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It can, =C2=A0you will need to change the thermostat =C2=A0elbow cover to a= 74 or early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose. Al On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:34 AM Victor Snively via 6pack < 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the > drain petcock ? > > Thanks, > Vic Snively > '75 TR6 w/AC > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation =C2=A0$12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Vic-The thermostat outlet you will need for the early radiator is cheap and easily available. The outlet used on the 75-76 cars is not being reproduced and getting hard to find. So, you might want keep it with the car or sell it for the current market price.
Berry


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Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 8:29 am
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...and you want to add the drain petcock. A decent rad shop can do it in a half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face of the rad, in the most reachable place I could find making sure there was room for the petcock to turn.

You'll be glad you did.
Colin


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It can,  you will need to change the thermostat  elbow cover to a 74 or
early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose.

Al

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> Fellow Enthusiasts,
>
> Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the
> drain petcock ?
>
> Thanks,
> Vic Snively
> '75 TR6 w/AC
>
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A decent rad shop can do it in a = half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face of the rad, in the= most reachable place I could find making sure there was room for the petco= ck to turn. You'll be glad you did.Colin From: 6pack-request@autox.team.net To: 6pack@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 11:00:04 AM Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 26 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://autox.team.net/mailm= an/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06pack-request@autox.team.ne= t You can reach the person managing the list at =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. 1975 MODEL RADIATOR (Victor Snively) =C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Re: 1975 MODEL RADIATOR (alan salvatore) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:34:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Victor Snively To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR Fellow Enthusiasts,?Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willin= g to forego the drain petcock ??Thanks,Vic Snively'75 TR6 w/AC?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:22:10 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: Victor Snively Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR Message-ID: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It can, =C2=A0you will need to change the thermostat =C2=A0elbow cover to a= 74 or early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose. Al On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:34 AM Victor Snively via 6pack < 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the > drain petcock ? > > Thanks, > Vic Snively > '75 TR6 w/AC > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation =C2=A0$12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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...and you want to add the drain petcock. A decent rad sh= op can do it in a half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face = of the rad, in the most reachable place I could find making sure there was = room for the petcock to turn.

You'll be glad you did.
Colin


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It can,  you will need to change the thermostat  elbow = cover to a 74 or
early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose= .

Al

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> Vic Snively
> '75 TR6 w/AC
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------=_Part_1059547_313105000.1569877445687-- --===============1633815247263272720== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============1633815247263272720==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 15:49:56 2019 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDCEA0B0E for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 15:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059DDA0099 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 15:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.111]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id EwWLiNYE4ECNZF3YGizVIF; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:49:52 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1569880192; bh=FkRr6PAjW62WaEeT44sCe4zTgL8bcaCsu16Jp6IbBWU=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date: Message-Id:To; b=0/q0jOiuKeCleyaiurECQryD/Ap0Wf33B4Zzszi01IIRBZBhXzAfwEQKkx2uo3kVF tHSdPxyRUovymWQMi77KM6K1LYQ4u1oE+hjCbBZxXoG71qMRXz7zNCiYSGDyqye4JB x9aMfqv6HRYVPj1YiIzDYaO4Q2O9SDEb+ge9ErWiotk92EKMrOpYEzPjJfUNyxyO10 sVK5JWVH0+vX3sy6hPzyXRxO2Ge83zyiB7/T8phc+YBgYuL7lDDQiWUgJH7pwKoFHk +4gMS0e2tuWDyNnbt5/fY1LinoUtX74aQgyzMp+1jNXftD7S9PCNb6sF9v5lCEl544 noCHGGPv8aRKg== Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([73.17.214.72]) by resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id F3YEi7ia0qJTfF3YFiDkXK; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:49:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 17:49:50 -0400 References: <1535478352.375800668.1569857362319.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> To: COLIN THOM Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR From: Robert Rochlin via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1868637066048639883== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-594ADF89-5BF3-43EA-8DDB-4F315A232527 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Radiator Shop you say, the closest real radiator shop from here just outside= of Boson is in Worcester MA, at least an hour away. All the closer places a= re =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99ll replace your radiator shops=E2=80=9C. Bob =E2=80=9872TR 6 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:29 AM, COLIN THOM via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> w= rote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > ...and you want to add the drain petcock. A decent rad shop can do it in a= half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face of the rad, in the= most reachable place I could find making sure there was room for the petcoc= k to turn. >=20 > You'll be glad you did. > Colin >=20 > From: 6pack-request@autox.team.net > To: 6pack@autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 11:00:04 AM > Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 26 >=20 > Send 6pack mailing list submissions to > 6pack@autox.team.net >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > 6pack-request@autox.team.net >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > 6pack-owner@autox.team.net >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. 1975 MODEL RADIATOR (Victor Snively) > 2. Re: 1975 MODEL RADIATOR (alan salvatore) >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:34:21 +0000 (UTC) > From: Victor Snively > To: 6pack@autox.team.net > Subject: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR > Message-ID: <1397271111.599844.1569767661264@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" >=20 > Fellow Enthusiasts,?Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willi= ng to forego the drain petcock ??Thanks,Vic Snively'75 TR6 w/AC?? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:22:10 -0400 > From: alan salvatore > To: Victor Snively > Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" >=20 > It can, you will need to change the thermostat elbow cover to a 74 or > early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose. >=20 > Al >=20 > On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:34 AM Victor Snively via 6pack < > 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: >=20 > > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > > > Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the > > drain petcock ? > > > > Thanks, > > Vic Snively > > '75 TR6 w/AC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Subject: Digest Footer >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 6pack mailing list > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > End of 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 26 > ************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >=20 > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rrochlin@c= omcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail-594ADF89-5BF3-43EA-8DDB-4F315A232527 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Radiator Shop you say, the closest real rad= iator shop from here just outside of Boson is in Worcester MA, at least an h= our away. All the closer places are =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99ll replace your radi= ator shops=E2=80=9C.
Bob
=E2=80=9872TR 6

Sent from my iPhone

O= n Sep 30, 2019, at 11:29 AM, COLIN THOM via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net&g= t; wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
...and you want to add the drain petcock. A d= ecent rad shop can do it in a half hour. I positioned mine on the left side,= back face of the rad, in the most reachable place I could find making sure t= here was room for the petcock to turn.

You'll be glad you did.
Colin


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From: alan salvatore <alansalvy@gmail.c= om>
To: Victor Snively <vsnively@aol.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.tea= m.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR
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It can,  you will need to change the thermostat  el= bow cover to a 74 or
early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose.

A= l

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> Fellow Enthusiasts,
>
>= Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the
&= gt; drain petcock ?
>
> Thanks,
> Vic Snively
> '75 T= R6 w/AC
>
>
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All the = closer places are =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99ll replace your radiator = shops=E2=80=9C. Bob =E2=80=9872TR 6 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:29 AM, COLIN THOM via 6pack = <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: =EF=BB=BF ...and you want to add the drain petcock. A decent rad shop can do it in = a half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face of the rad, = in the most reachable place I could find making sure there was room for = the petcock to turn. =20 You'll be glad you did. 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Try stopping = in at a truck dealer (or industrial or farm equipment) and find out who = they use for radiator repair.

 

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Bob

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.= ..and you want to add the drain petcock. A decent rad shop can do it in = a half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face of the rad, = in the most reachable place I could find making sure there was room for = the petcock to turn.

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It = can,  you will need to change the thermostat  elbow cover to a = 74 or
early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose.

Al

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All of the expert advice is to repair the original. Thought I w= as in for a gravy job pulling it, but with A/C, air pump, and charcoal cani= ster, 3-1/2 hours !=C2=A0=C2=A0-----Original Message----- From: Robert Rochlin To: COLIN THOM Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>; vsnively Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR Radiator Shop you say, the closest real radiator shop from here just outsid= e of Boson is in Worcester MA, at least an hour away. All the closer places= are =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99ll replace your radiator shops=E2=80=9C.Bob=E2=80= =9872TR 6 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:29 AM, COLIN THOM via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> w= rote: =EF=BB=BF...and you want to add the drain petcock. A decent rad shop can do= it in a half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face of the ra= d, in the most reachable place I could find making sure there was room for = the petcock to turn. You'll be glad you did.Colin From: 6pack-request@autox.team.net To: 6pack@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 11:00:04 AM Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 26 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://autox.team.net/mailm= an/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06pack-request@autox.team.ne= t You can reach the person managing the list at =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. 1975 MODEL RADIATOR (Victor Snively) =C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Re: 1975 MODEL RADIATOR (alan salvatore) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:34:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Victor Snively To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR Fellow Enthusiasts,?Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willin= g to forego the drain petcock ??Thanks,Vic Snively'75 TR6 w/AC?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:22:10 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: Victor Snively Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR Message-ID: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It can, =C2=A0you will need to change the thermostat =C2=A0elbow cover to a= 74 or early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose. Al On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:34 AM Victor Snively via 6pack < 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Fellow Enthusiasts, > > Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm willing to forego the > drain petcock ? > > Thanks, > Vic Snively > '75 TR6 w/AC > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation =C2=A0$12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To: COLIN THOM <colintho= m@shaw.ca>
Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>; vsniv= ely <vsnively@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 5:49 p= m
Subject: Re: [6pack] 1975 MODEL RADIATOR
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Radiator Shop you say, the closest real radiator shop fro= m here just outside of Boson is in Worcester MA, at least an hour away. All= the closer places are =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99ll replace your radiator shops= =E2=80=9C.
Bob
=E2=80=9872TR 6

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:29 AM, COLIN THOM via 6pac= k <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
...and you want to add the drain petcock. A decent rad sh= op can do it in a half hour. I positioned mine on the left side, back face = of the rad, in the most reachable place I could find making sure there was = room for the petcock to turn.

You'll be glad you did.
Colin


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It can,  you will = need to change the thermostat  elbow cover to a 74 or
early cover and use a 74 top radiator hose.

Al

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:34 AM Victor= Snively via 6pack <
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= > Fellow Enthusiasts,
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> Will a 1973-on radiator fit my 1975 model if I'm will= ing to forego the
> drain petcock ?
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> Thanks,<= br clear=3D"none" abp=3D"5805">> Vic Snively
> '75 TR6 w/AC
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