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Re: crack-up at the historics

To: "Tony Drews" <tmccis@revealed.net>, <vintage-race@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: crack-up at the historics
From: "Cris Vandagriff" <hmsa@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:47:54 -0700
Tony

You still don't get it - It was not Phil Hill nor a Maserati!! Best watch
that tape again!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews <tmccis@revealed.net>
To: vintage-race@autox.team.net <vintage-race@autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, August 29, 1999 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: crack-up at the historics


>Well, I saw the incident (over and over) on Speedvision.  I called it "ill
advised" for a
>couple of reasons:
>1. It resulted in damage to 3 significant cars.  (The Maserati, a Lister
Corvette?, and one
>of the old Yaller cars which was T-boned)
>2. Phil was in the dirt, off the track to the inside.  I suspect his brakes
didn't work as
>well there.  :)  He basically slid into the rear quarter of the Lister.  He
did pass one
>car cleanly on his way to the Lister, though.  That particular pass was as
you describe - a
>classic outbraking, down the inside pass.  Unfortunately, it didn't end
there...
>3. It was "ill advised" in retrospect - rather exciting at the time,
though.  If he had
>gotten away with it, I would have called it an "agressive pass".
>
>In Phil's defense, the spin of Old Yaller which ended up causing the
majority of the damage
>may have been in sympathy of Phil's contact with the Lister.  It really
should have been a
>"light bump" to the Lister and ended there until Old Yaller spun into
Phil's path.
>
>I agree with you that I want to see racing (not a parade), other drivers
should be aware,
>etc.
>
>Also, this is entirely my opinion, is subjective (not fact), your mileage
may vary.
>
>- Tony
>
>Susan and John Roper wrote:
>
>> Whoa, guys.  i did not see the incident, but have problems with it being
described as
>> an ill-advised charge down the inside.  Too many of these incidents are
the result of a
>> "racer" who does not use his or her mirrors and give way when someone has
gotten
>> inside.  A "charge down the inside" is the essential roadracing pass, and
requires the
>> driver who has been passed to be aware and to concede the line if the
passing car got
>> there before he did.  I understand that there are some vintage racers who
would prefer
>> a parade.  Me, I like races and racers, not poseurs who don't bother to
learn how to do
>> it.  Nomex on.  Fire away.  John
>>
>> Tony Drews wrote:
>>
>> > Of course, it was none other than Phil Hill in the Maserati making an
(ill advised,
>> > it turns out) charge down the inside of turn 1.  I don't think he had
as much fun
>> > in that race as he'd hoped to.  :)
>> >
>> > - Tony
>> >
>> > mdunst@smtplink.coh.org wrote:
>> >
>> > > I was just speechless, with mouth agape when I saw the pretty
Maseratti tag the
>> > > Lister Corvette then T-bone another. ...to be on live TV for all to
see (over
>> > > and Over).
>> > >
>> > > Mordy
>
>




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