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Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3

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Subject: Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3
From: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 20:36:10 -0500
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Spinning the differential unloaded cause no issues.  Spinning the output 
shaft of the transmission while it's in neutral provides no lubrication 
within the transmission and will nuke applicable bearings / bushings.  
When the car is in gear, oil is being flung about the transmission, in 
neutral that's not the case.  That's why you need to disconnect the 
driveshaft before towing with the rear wheels on the ground.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 10/28/2023 5:58 PM, Frank Fisher wrote:
> enlighten me as to why one would have to disconnect the driveshaft.
>
> inquiring minds need to know
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:11:09 AM PDT, Kinderlehrer 
> <kinderlehrer@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hardy Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar E-type all 
> over the country. He did disconnect the driveshaft before towing.
>
> Bob
>
> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *Philip Ethier
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2023 8:37 AM
> *To:* Art McEwen
> *Cc:* triumphs@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3
>
> I fried a MKII Cortina bearing by flat-towing.
>
> On the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema, just put the car in 
> Freewheel.
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06â?¯PM Art McEwen <amcewen2@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>     I read somewhere where this wasn't possible without disconnecting
>     the driveshaft due to, I think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D
>     that doesn't get lubricated without the gearbox in gear.   But
>     I've also read reports of Kas Kasner and his contemporaries
>     routinely flat towing to the race track.    Which is true? Both? 
>     Neither?  Or is Kas forgetting he used to disconnect the
>     driveshaft at the end of the weekend?
>
>     I've seen several MGBs (different gearbox design?) and MX5s being
>     flat towed behind RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a no-no.
>
>     Just wondering.
>
>     Art '60 TR3A.
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    <p>Spinning the differential unloaded cause no issues.  Spinning the
      output shaft of the transmission while it's in neutral provides no
      lubrication within the transmission and will nuke applicable
      bearings / bushings.  When the car is in gear, oil is being flung
      about the transmission, in neutral that's not the case.  That's
      why you need to disconnect the driveshaft before towing with the
      rear wheels on the ground.</p>
    <p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/28/2023 5:58 PM, Frank Fisher
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">enlighten me as to why one
          would have to disconnect the driveshaft. </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">inquiring minds need to know</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Frank</div>
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          <div> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:11:09 AM PDT,
            Kinderlehrer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:kinderlehrer@comcast.net";>&lt;kinderlehrer@comcast.net&gt;</a> 
wrote: </div>
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                  <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Hardy
                      Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar
                      E-type all over the country. He did disconnect the
                      driveshaft before towing.</span></p>
                  <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">  </span></p>
                  <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Bob</span></p>
                  <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">  </span></p>
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                            style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Triumphs
                          [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
 <b>On
                            Behalf Of </b>Philip Ethier<br clear="none">
                          <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 28, 2023 8:37
                          AM<br clear="none">
                          <b>To:</b> Art McEwen<br clear="none">
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                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3</span></p>
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                    <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">  </p>
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                      <div>
                        <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span>I
                            fried a MKII Cortina bearing by 
flat-towing.</span></p>
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                             </span></p>
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                        <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span>On
                            the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema,
                            just put the car in Freewheel.</span></p>
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                    <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">  </p>
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                        <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">On
                          Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06â?¯PM Art McEwen &lt;<a
                            shape="rect"
                            href="mailto:amcewen2@cogeco.ca";
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">amcewen2@cogeco.ca</a>&gt;
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                        <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">I
                          read somewhere where this wasn't possible
                          without disconnecting the driveshaft due to, I
                          think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that
                          doesn't get lubricated without the gearbox in
                          gear.   But I've also read reports of Kas
                          Kasner and his contemporaries routinely flat
                          towing to the race track.    Which is true? 
                          Both?  Neither?  Or is Kas forgetting he used
                          to disconnect the driveshaft at the end of the
                          weekend?</p>
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                             </p>
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                          <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">I've
                            seen several MGBs (different gearbox
                            design?) and MX5s being flat towed behind
                            RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a
                            no-no.</p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">
                             </p>
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                          <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">Just
                            wondering.</p>
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                          <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">Art
                            '60 TR3A.</p>
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