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It looks like your bearing is shy of the edge of the gear! Stacking the
bushes, your collars should be captured in the bush stack, not by the
gear. The clip thickness and which side I was referring to your 'non-
reusable' circlip
ptegler
On 3/21/2023 10:54 PM, aribert neumann wrote:
> Paul - thank you for your response.  I was in the process of trying
> to stack the bushes, etc when I discovered the main shaft being
> oversize.  Guessing RTFM refers to reading the manual?  The
> pertinent pages have gotten quite stained from my greasy finger prints.
>
> By clip I presume you are referring to the split collars - correct?Â
>  I did not notice that there was a difference in the edges - maybe
> that was why when I was checking the stack up of parts aft of the
> split collar the split collars rotated as I turned first gear even
> though the stack up of parts was in the tolerance range.  I need to
> go have a closer look at the collars - I did not notice a difference
> in edges of the OD. I do not remember seeing any notation in the
> Bentleys about split collar orientation.  I think you have answered
> my question about the cause of the rotation of the split collars and
> prevented me from repeating the problem! Thank you!
>
> For anyone else following along - the attached image is of first gear
> with one (of the two) split collar placed in the pocket of the gear.Â
> Since the adjoining part facing this side of first gear is the shift
> hub (splined to the main shaft, and the synchro keyed to the shift
> hub) the only way for the collars to rotate relative to the shaft is
> if being driven by 1st gear.
>
>
>
> From:Â Paul Tegler <ptegler@verizon.net>
> Subject:Â Re: [TR] Calling anyone with transmission rebuilding
> experience - 2nd attempt, part2
>
> In prep for stacking gears on the main shaft, you need to pre-install
> the bushes to determine the required thickness of the circlip You se
> the clearance by selecting the right thickness washer As stated all
> too often you need to RTFM.  improper assy will be short lived.
> You'll be pulling the tranny again MUCH sooner than expected as 2nd
> gear CRUNCH will not be avoidable when the clip goes out again. *You
> even need to pay attention to which side of the clip faces the
> splines. The SQUARE edge needs to face the spline lips.
> The rounded one leads to exactly what has destroyed your shaft as
> pictured*
>
> ptegler
>
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<p>It looks like your bearing is shy of the edge of the gear!
Stacking the bushes, your collars should be captured in the bush
stack, not by the gear. The clip thickness and which side I was
referring to your 'non- reusable' circlip <br>
</p>
<p>ptegler<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Paul - thank you for your response.  I was in the
process of trying to stack the bushes, etc when I discovered the
main shaft being oversize.  Guessing RTFM refers to reading the
manual?  The pertinent pages have gotten quite stained from my
greasy finger prints. Â
<div><br>
</div>
<div>By clip I presume you are referring to the split collars -
correct?  I did not notice that there was a difference in the
edges - maybe that was why when I was checking the stack up of
parts aft of the split collar the split collars rotated as I
turned first gear even though the stack up of parts was in the
tolerance range.  I need to go have a closer look at the
collars - I did not notice a difference in edges of the OD. I
do not remember seeing any notation in the Bentleys about
split collar orientation.  I think you have answered my
question about the cause of the rotation of the split collars
and prevented me from repeating the problem! Thank you!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For anyone else following along - the attached image is of
first gear with one (of the two) split collar placed in the
pocket of the gear. Since the adjoining part facing this side
of first gear is the shift hub (splined to the main shaft, and
the synchro keyed to the shift hub) the only way for the
collars to rotate relative to the shaft is if being driven by
1st gear.<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>From:Â Paul Tegler <<a
href="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ptegler@verizon.net</a>><br>
Subject:Â Re: [TR] Calling anyone with transmission
rebuilding experience - 2nd attempt, part2<br>
<div>
<p>In prep for stacking gears on the main shaft, you need
to pre-install the bushes to determine the required
thickness of the circlip You se the clearance by
selecting the right thickness washer As stated all too
often you need to RTFM.  improper assy will be short
lived. You'll be pulling the tranny again MUCH sooner
than expected as 2nd gear CRUNCH will not be avoidable
when the clip goes out again. <b>You even need to pay
attention to which side of the clip faces the splines.
The SQUARE edge needs to face the spline lips.<br>
The rounded one leads to exactly what has destroyed
your shaft as pictured</b></p>
<p>ptegler</p>
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