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So, does anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down =
as it should? We seem to have trashed Robbins and Prestige.
My friend has a Mazda and he can easily grab the top handle =
from the drivers seat and pull it up with little effort. A half century =
advance in engeneering?
Best,
Bob
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macartney =
<John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
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> On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com =
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>> I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type top for my TR6 for the =
last ten + years. It still looks and fits great! I had it professionally =
installed and I've had zero regrets. Not sure how you can see the =
hoodstick through the window....
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>> Dave
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>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave <dave@ranteer.com =
>> I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it. it really is not the =
right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see =
the hoodstick through it
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>> And, just half a dozen years from having it installed, there are =
glued portions that have become unglued. Its really awful, and if my =
options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace it
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>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net =
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top
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>> At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT =
going to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, they're =
tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try out =
their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when =
they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from =
Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stretch to =
fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never =
actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their =
patterns....
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>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com =
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>> The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which =
is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable. The =
problem is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making =
the top less and less stretchable. If the top stretched whens installed =
(and installers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove =
wrinkles is the stretch the top to remove them) it will become more =
difficult to erect, especially when cold. When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 =
a friend gave me a top that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years =
(he bought it but his car was totaled before he could get it installed). =
I had that top installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole =
time I had it. I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable =
when installed.
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>> My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and =
the material is more resistant to stretching. The installer will =
pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in the long run.
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>> Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in =
my opinion, cut about 1 inch too short. I installed the Lift-A-Dot =
snaps as close to the edges as I could but still could only install it =
on a hot day in the sun. Since this car lives mostly in the garage the =
tonneau is virtually permanently installed and over the years as the =
cover gets less stretchy it has become easier to install. I think the =
plasticizer has dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched =
position. So, this raises a question: What would happen if one slit =
some garden hose and placed it over the bows and left the top up with a =
little extra stretch. After a while the top will take a set with extra =
slack, perhaps making it easier to put up.
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>> Or buy your top years before you install it.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top
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>> I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a =
TR3A, not a TR6.
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>> Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so =
tight that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny =
weather. The tonneau was installed by professional installers who =
complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I =
even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but =
the replacement they sent me after that was no better.
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>> The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, =
it may have shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put =
on.
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>> I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your =
installer so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for =
me than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two =
installations.
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>> As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a =
TR3A, YMMV
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>> Good luck,
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span>So, does anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down as it =
should? We seem to have trashed Robbins and Prestige.<div class=3D""><span=
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span> My =
friend has a Mazda and he can easily grab the top handle from the =
drivers seat and pull it up with little effort. A half century advance =
in engeneering?</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>Bob<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macartney <<a =
href=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk"; =
class=3D"">John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered =
Parliament with honest intentions.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander <<a =
href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; class=3D"">forzion7@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans =
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">I have had a Prestige =
Twilfast-canvas-type top for my TR6 for the last ten + years. It =
still looks and fits great! I had it professionally installed and I've =
had zero regrets. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick through the =
window....</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic =
sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic =
sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; class=3D"">dave@ranteer.com</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=
have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it. it really is not the =
right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see =
the hoodstick through it<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">And, just half a dozen years from having it =
installed, there are glued portions that have become unglued. Its =
really awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would =
replace it<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></p><div =
style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:=
1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in" class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><b class=3D"">From:</b> Triumphs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b class=3D"">On =
Behalf Of </b>David Friedlander<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> =
Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> =
DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@mdmackay.ca"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">dave@mdmackay.ca</a><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> =
Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></p><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D"">At least the vinyl top has a =
plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what =
or when. When they're tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why =
the various manufacturers don't try out their patterns on actual =
vehicles and adjust them, especially for when they use fabrics that =
don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in the UK and have =
had a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the lift-the-dot =
fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actually fitted one to a =
real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their patterns....<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D"">Dave Friedlander<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)" class=3D"">Dave<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></p><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID =
MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">dave1massey@cs.com</a>> wrote:<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:=
1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in =
6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929=
" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The vinyl material used in tops is produced with =
a plasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable =
and stretchable. The problem is this product is volatile and will =
dissipate over time making the top less and less stretchable. If =
the top stretched whens installed (and installers don't like wrinkles =
and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to remove =
them) it will become more difficult to erect, especially when =
cold. When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that =
was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his car =
was totaled before he could get it installed). I had that top =
installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had =
it. I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when =
installed.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">My advice is to get your top installed when the =
weather is cold and the material is more resistant to stretching. =
The installer will pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in =
the long run.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for =
the TR3 which was, in my opinion, cut about 1 inch too short. I =
installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close to the edges as I could but =
still could only install it on a hot day in the sun. Since this =
car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is virtually permanently =
installed and over the years as the cover gets less stretchy it has =
become easier to install. I think the plasticizer has dissipated =
and the top took a set in the stretched position. So, this raises =
a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed it =
over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch. =
After a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making =
it easier to put up.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Or buy your top years before you install it.<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Dave </span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929=
yqtfd03937" class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">-----Original =
Message-----<br class=3D"">From: Dave MacKay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@mdmackay.ca"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">dave@mdmackay.ca</a>><br class=3D"">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br class=3D"">Sent: Mon, Dec 28, =
2020 4:41 pm<br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929=
" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops =
although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""> <u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a =
convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with great effort =
even in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by professional =
installers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I =
complained. I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see =
what fit, but the replacement they sent me after that was no better.<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""> <u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened =
over time. If anything, it may have shrunk because it seems as hard or =
harder than ever to put on.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""> <u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I would suggest having the top (tonneau or =
convertible) made by your installer so that you get a good fit. That =
would have been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and =
having to pay for two installations.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""> <u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re =
dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV<u class=3D""></u><u =
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