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Subject: Re: [TR] How easy is it to get a Spitfire through a CA smog? Follow up questions
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:28:13 -0400
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the twin SUs and 4-2-1 Eurospec exhaust will definitely be a noticable 
improvement.

Late 70's spits were de-tuned (smog regs) in the US and choked down with 
the single ZS carb , somewhere around 58 hp.
Just the carbs and exhaust change puts you back to near 75HP..... and 
before the cam change!

ptegler

On 10/24/2020 6:34 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> > The 1500 engine is positively athsmatic and has always had breathing 
> issues in standard spec. No doubt there will be howls of protest in 
> favour of the 1500
>
> Well, I'm about to find out.  My short block has been cleaned up and 
> balanced, a lightened flywheel and slightly hotter cam has been 
> purchased, and my head is at a 1500 specialist having its breathing 
> attended to.  Add a pair of HS4s and the UK exhaust manifold, and it 
> ought to be better than the original US spec, anyway.  I will 
> certainly have spent enough cubic dollars to go at least a little faster..
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 1:51 PM John Macartney 
> wrote:
>
>     Air pollution regs kicked in for 1968 build. Albeit very limited,
>     the SU carb proved a bit difficult to lean out and thatâ??s why
>     Spitfires from either 1969 or 1970 model year used a single
>     Stromberg. My personal opinion is the Mk3 Spitfire with the 1296 8
>     port head is the Best Buy, hotly followed by the 1296 Mk4. The
>     1500 engine is positively athsmatic and has always had breathing
>     issues in standard spec. No doubt there will be howls of protest
>     in favour of the 1500 but the many Iâ??ve driven over years -
>     rebuilt/cared for/completely knackered - were all the same, I.e.
>     seriously disappointing and that same engine in the Midget made
>     that great little car something that is best forgotten.
>
>     Jonmac
>
>     Bessie Braddock: â??Winston! Youâ??re drunkâ??.
>     Churchill: â??and you, Madam, are ugly. But tomorrow, I shall be
>     sober but you will still be uglyâ??.
>
>     On 23 Oct 2020, at 17:28, Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com
>
>>     Thanks for the answers. Here are a few follow up questions.
>>     If the Smog parts were completely removed from the car and it
>>     needs it, what is the  worst case cost wise to buy this stuff to
>>     get it though a Smog? What workshop equipment would I need to buy
>>     and cost to make sure I can get it close to passing a smog
>>     without having a repair shop tweek it to pass a smog check? Also,
>>     are '74 year and earlier cars exempt from a smog but  '75 on are not?
>>
>>     Regards, Sujit
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Sujit Roy
>>     Cupertino, California
>>
>>     https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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    <p>the twin SUs and 4-2-1 Eurospec exhaust will definitely be a
      noticable improvement.</p>
    <p>Late 70's spits were de-tuned (smog regs) in the US and choked
      down with the single ZS carb , somewhere around 58 hp.<br>
      Just the carbs and exhaust change puts you back to near 75HP.....
      and before the cam change!</p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/24/2020 6:34 AM, Jeff Scarbrough
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">&gt; 
        The 1500 engine is positively athsmatic and has always had
        breathing issues in standard spec. No doubt there will be howls
        of protest in favour of the 1500
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Well, I'm about to find out.  My short block has been
          cleaned up and balanced, a lightened flywheel and slightly
          hotter cam has been purchased, and my head is at a 1500
          specialist having its breathing attended to.  Add a pair of
          HS4s and the UK exhaust manifold, and it ought to be better
          than the original US spec, anyway.  I will certainly have
          spent enough cubic dollars to go at least a little faster..</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Jeff Scarbrough</div>
        <div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 1:51
          PM John Macartney &lt;<a
            href="mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk";
            moz-do-not-send="true">John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div dir="auto">Air pollution regs kicked in for 1968 build.
            Albeit very limited, the SU carb proved a bit difficult to
            lean out and thatâ??s why Spitfires from either 1969 or 1970
            model year used a single Stromberg. My personal opinion is
            the Mk3 Spitfire with the 1296 8 port head is the Best Buy,
            hotly followed by the 1296 Mk4. The 1500 engine is
            positively athsmatic and has always had breathing issues in
            standard spec. No doubt there will be howls of protest in
            favour of the 1500 but the many Iâ??ve driven over years -
            rebuilt/cared for/completely knackered - were all the same,
            I.e. seriously disappointing and that same engine in the
            Midget made that great little car something that is best
            forgotten.
            <div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Jonmac<br>
                <br>
                <div id="gmail-m_6520465779848206012AppleMailSignature"
                  dir="ltr">Bessie Braddock: â??Winston! Youâ??re drunkâ??.
                  <div>Churchill: â??and you, Madam, are ugly. But
                    tomorrow, I shall be sober but you will still be
                    uglyâ??.</div>
                </div>
                <div dir="ltr"><br>
                  On 23 Oct 2020, at 17:28, Sujit Roy &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com"; target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">triumphstag@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  <br>
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                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>Thanks for the answers. Here are a few follow
                        up questions.</div>
                      <div>If the Smog parts were completely removed
                        from the car and it needs it, what is the  worst
                        case cost wise to buy this stuff to get it
                        though a Smog? What workshop equipment would I
                        need to buy and cost to make sure I can get it
                        close to passing a smog without having a repair
                        shop tweek it to pass a smog check? Also, are
                        '74 year and earlier cars exempt from a smog 
                        but  '75 on are not?</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Regards, Sujit</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      -- <br>
                      <div dir="ltr">
                        <div dir="ltr">
                          <div>Sujit Roy<br>
                            Cupertino, California</div>
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