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Re: [TR] Battery troubles

To: Rye Livingston <RyeL@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles
From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:37:22 -0400
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Rye;

I've been ysing my Battery Tender + for long periods, over the years, and
have never had it cook a battety....

Dave

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 2:31 PM Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com> wrote:

> Two points.  I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher end
> Battery Tender Plus that is in the little metal box, will not maintain a
> battery, but will cook a battery when left on all the time.  I was advise=
d
> to plug it in for a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for a week or
> two.  What a pain.
>
> In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugged in, to
> charge the deep cycle batteries.  I learned the hard way that the unit th=
at
> comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries.  I upgraded t=
o
> a model that will let me leave it plugged in for months to years, no
> problem.
>
> So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this handy
> tool is excellent.  SOLAR BA7
> https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7=
A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&dchild=3D1&keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%=
2Btester&qid=3D1602785609&sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&sr=
=3D8-3&th=3D1
> <https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI=
7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&dchild=3D1&keywords=3Dsolar+battery+t=
ester&qid=3D1602785609&sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+test,aps,852&sr=3D8-3&th=3D1=
>
> No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with solar.
>
> You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnect your battery.  Battery doesn=E2=80=
=99t need to be
> fully charged to test it.  You just connect it and enter it what kind of
> battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated for, and it t=
ells you
> the condition of the battery and how many CCA it still has.  I was blown
> away when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery in my Triumph TR3, and I
> think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it still has 620, which is why =
it still
> works great.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rye Livingston
> Activities Chairman
> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> 1960 Triumph TR3A
> PH: 530-FIND-RYE
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 AM, dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> Funny you should mention this.
>
> I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them) around
> 1978.  All steel construction with an analog gage in front.  It still wor=
ks
> great.
>
> I purchased a modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few
> years.
>
> If you have a light timer, you can plug the charger into the timer and le=
t
> it charge only an hour or so a day.  Old tech + old tech beats new tech!
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Chris
> Simo
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:27 AM
> *To:* list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Battery troubles
>
> My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.   I put my new battery
> charger on it -  It's all electronic  vs my old one that just had a 3
> position switch and an analog meter.
>
> This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is
> connected backwards,  light a light with a bad battery, etc.  Trouble is
> I"m not sure I trust it.
>
> I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.  I havent been driving m=
y
> truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,  and my mom's car battery show=
ed
> bad as well....
>
> I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.  It'=
s
> cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....
>
> Or they just sat so long they died.....     Anyone have experience with
> those newer fancy chargers?  Any issues or concerns?
>
> Thanks!
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<div dir=3D"auto">Rye;<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;v=
e been ysing my Battery Tender + for long periods, over the years, and have=
 never had it cook a battety....</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Dave</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 2:31 PM Rye Livingston &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:ryel@mac.com";>ryel@mac.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-whit=
e-space"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Two points.=C2=A0 I learned from my=
 local mechanic that even the higher end Battery Tender Plus that is in the=
 little metal box, will not maintain a battery, but will cook a battery whe=
n left on all the time.=C2=A0 I was advised to plug it in for a week, 2 at =
the most, then disconnect if for a week or two.=C2=A0 What a pain.</span><d=
iv><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font=
-size:14px">In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugg=
ed in, to charge the deep cycle batteries.=C2=A0 I learned the hard way tha=
t the unit that comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries.=
=C2=A0 I upgraded to a model that will let me leave it plugged in for month=
s to years, no problem.</span><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></spa=
n></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">So back to changing and knowing=
 the status of your battery, this handy tool is excellent.=C2=A0 SOLAR BA7 =
<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp=
/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=
=3Dsolar+battery+tester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+te=
st,aps,852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ht=
tps://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/r=
ef=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbatt=
ery%2Btester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btest%2Cap=
s%2C852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1</a></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px">No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with =
solar. =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></=
div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnec=
t your battery.=C2=A0 Battery doesn=E2=80=99t need to be fully charged to t=
est it.=C2=A0 You just connect it and enter it what kind of battery it is a=
nd the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated for, and it tells you the cond=
ition of the battery and how many CCA it still has.=C2=A0 I was blown away =
when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery in my Triumph TR3, and I think it=
=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it still has 620, which is why it still w=
orks great.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Good luck,</span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><div style=3D"background-color:=
rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Rye Livingston</span></div=
><div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:=
14px">Activities Chairman</span></div><div style=3D"background-color:rgb(25=
5,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Triumph Travelers Sports Car Clu=
b</span></div><div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=
=3D"font-size:14px">1960 Triumph TR3A</span></div><div style=3D"background-=
color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"float:none;display:inline!important;=
font-size:14px">PH: 530-FIND-RYE</span></div></div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div><div>=C2=A0<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct 15, 202=
0, at 11:06 AM, dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-de=
coration:none"><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif">Funny you should mention this.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D=
"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif">I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them) ar=
ound 1978.=C2=A0 All steel construction with an analog gage in front.=C2=A0=
 It still works great.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I purchased a=
 modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few years.<u></u><u=
></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If you have a light timer, you can plug the =
charger into the timer and let it charge only an hour or so a day.=C2=A0 Ol=
d tech + old tech beats new tech!<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0=
in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div=
><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family=
:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"border-style:s=
olid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);paddi=
ng:3pt 0in 0in"><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">trium=
phs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><b>On Behalf Of<span>=
=C2=A0</span></b>Chris Simo<br><b>Sent:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Thursday, Oct=
ober 15, 2020 8:27 AM<br><b>To:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>list Triumph &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>[TR] =
Battery troubles<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">My Tr4 h=
asn&#39;t gotten out at all this summer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I put my new battery c=
harger on it -=C2=A0 It&#39;s all electronic=C2=A0 vs my old one that just =
had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div s=
tyle=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-=
family:Calibri,sans-serif">This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell yo=
u if the battery is connected backwards,=C2=A0 light a light with a bad bat=
tery, etc.=C2=A0 Trouble is I&quot;m not sure I trust it.<u></u><u></u></di=
v></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;fon=
t-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I&#39;ve had this thing tell me=
 4 batteries=C2=A0are bad.=C2=A0 I havent been driving my truck, my wife ha=
sn&#39;t been driving her Z4,=C2=A0 and my mom&#39;s car battery showed bad=
 as well....<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-si=
ze:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><di=
v><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I=
 think I&#39;m going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.=C2=
=A0 It&#39;s cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....<u></u><u></u=
></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib=
ri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0i=
n;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Or they just sat so long t=
hey died.....=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyone have experience with those newer fa=
ncy chargers?=C2=A0 Any issues or concerns?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><=
div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;fo=
nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div>=
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