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Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: VINs

To: Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: VINs
From: "Wbeech@flash.net" <wbeech@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 20:43:01 -0600
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Brian,
It comes down to do you want to be right, or get a title and tags for your c=
ar.  Bill

Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......BWS

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 6:35 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:
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=EF=BB=BF This was the mid 1990's.  I talked to the CA DMV on the phone befo=
re buying the car and in person when I went to transfer the car.  They insis=
ted that the Oh was not valid in a VIN and it had to be a zero.  Realized re=
ality didn't matter with the DMV and it wasn't worth trying to be right with=
 the facts.  Since my car has be a CA car since new, I'd guess when initiall=
y titled in 1972, they marked it as a zero.

Brian

On 11/7/2019 4:27 AM, Reihing, Randall S. wrote:
> How does changing the "O" to a "0" on the paper title, match the "O"  on t=
he riveted metal plate still on the car itself? How is it legal to have a ti=
tle with a VIN that does not match the VIN on the vehicle's riveted metal pl=
ate?
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> Randall Reihing
> 1960 TR3A
> 1959 TR3A
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Kemp <=
bk13@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:50:45 PM
> To: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs@auto=
x.team.net>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] VINs
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> My California TR6 title also ends L0 - L zero.  I told them it should be a=
n Oh for Overdrive, but they said I couldn't have an Oh and I was wrong.  No=
t worth having an argument with the DMV.  The insurance company was fine wit=
h whatever the title said.
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> Brian
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> On 11/6/2019 1:13 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
>> I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive.  T=
he old title appropriately ended =E2=80=9CLO=E2=80=9D, but I was told that =E2=
=80=9COs=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CIs=E2=80=9D are no longer acceptable in title=
s.  So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D.  Then=
 I had to call the insurance company to explain the same story to them and h=
ave them send me a proof of insurance with =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D.
>> =20
>> Anyone else come across this?  Maybe it has been going on for years:  I h=
ave 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.
>> =20
>> Andrew Uprichard
>> Jackson, MI
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Brian,<div>It comes down to do you want to b=
e right, or get a title and tags for your car. &nbsp;Bill<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......BWS</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 7, 2019, at 6:35 PM, Brian Kemp &lt;bk13@earth=
link.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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    This was the mid 1990's.&nbsp; I talked to the CA DMV on the phone befor=
e
    buying the car and in person when I went to transfer the car.&nbsp; They=

    insisted that the Oh was not valid in a VIN and it had to be a
    zero.&nbsp; Realized reality didn't matter with the DMV and it wasn't
    worth trying to be right with the facts.&nbsp; Since my car has be a CA
    car since new, I'd guess when initially titled in 1972, they marked
    it as a zero.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 11/7/2019 4:27 AM, Reihing, Randall
      S. wrote:<br>
    </div>
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        <p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">How does changing the
          "O" to a "0" on the paper title, match the "O" &nbsp;on the&nbsp;r=
iveted
          metal plate still&nbsp;on the car itself? How is it legal to have a=

          title with a VIN that does not match the VIN on the
          vehicle's&nbsp;riveted metal plate?</p>
        <p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
        </p>
        <p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Randall Reihing</p>
        <p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">1960 TR3A</p>
        <p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">1959 TR3A</p>
      </div>
      <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1">
      <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" f=
ace=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>
          Triumphs <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:triumph=
s-bounces@autox.team.net">&lt;triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a> on beh=
alf of
          Brian Kemp <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:bk13@=
earthlink.net">&lt;bk13@earthlink.net&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:50:45 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" hre=
f=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>&lt;auprichard@uprichard.net&gt;</a>;
          'Triumphs' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:trium=
phs@autox.team.net">&lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] VINs</font>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"background-color:#FFFFFF">My California TR6 title also
        ends L0 - L zero.&nbsp; I told them it should be an Oh for Overdrive=
,
        but they said I couldn't have an Oh and I was wrong.&nbsp; Not worth=

        having an argument with the DMV.&nbsp; The insurance company was fin=
e
        with whatever the title said.<br>
        <br>
        Brian<br>
        <br>
        <div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 11/6/2019 1:13 PM, Andrew
          Uprichard wrote:<br>
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            <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">I just went to get a
                title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive.&nbsp; The=

                old title appropriately ended =E2=80=9CLO=E2=80=9D, but I wa=
s told that
                =E2=80=9COs=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CIs=E2=80=9D are no longer a=
cceptable in titles.&nbsp; So I
                had to change the VIN (on the title) to =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D=
.&nbsp; Then I
                had to call the insurance company to explain the same
                story to them and have them send me a proof of insurance
                with =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D.</span></p>
            <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span></p>
            <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">Anyone else come
                across this?&nbsp; Maybe it has been going on for years:&nbs=
p; I
                have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first
                factory one.</span></p>
            <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span></p>
            <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">Andrew Uprichard</span=
></p>
            <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">Jackson, MI</span></p>=

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