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Subject: [Fot] Bring a Trailer TR$
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:42:08 -0700
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It is my understanding you never pay too much for a car, you just bought it too 
early.

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Ricco via Fot 
  To: JAMES GRAY 
  Cc: Paul Ricco via Fot 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Bring a Trailer TR$


  Jim,


  I hear everything that you are saying.  However, I have been in the 
automotive industry for 32 years as this year.  I have been involved in many 
thousands of deals buy and selling cars. Collector cars and daily drivers.  I 
agree that he has spent a lot on the car and it will be fabulous when 
completed, if someone takes the time and spends the money to complete the car 
properly.  However, what you have spent on something like this and what it is 
worth when it is done often have nothing to do with each other.  Every car is 
worth what it worth in the current market conditions, sometimes you have just 
spent too much and sell at a loss.  Even with all the deals that I have done I 
still get myself in these situations from time to time. I truly know better and 
I still do it occasionally.  We are doing a frame off restoration on a 1964 TR4 
right now.  It will be fantastic when it is done.  Even with us doing a great 
deal of the labor and all the legwork ourselves, I accept that If sell the car 
the day it is done, under current market conditions, I will lose money. 


  My comments were centered around the fact that I find it a waste of time to 
bid on things when a seller is refusing to accept what the market is saying 
about the item for sale.  Someone could be out there who would  pay more, but 
this thing has been for sale for 2+ years and $17K was a strong bid given what 
is left to be done.  There is a cost to waiting years to get more money for 
something.  It is the time value of the money being tied up while it could be 
used for something else.  It is my opinion that if he waits 2 more years and 
gets $2K more that he has actually lost even more on the car.  


  With all said, we are invested in Triumphs and I wish someone would have paid 
$100K for it  That would have solved my TR4 restoration project's balance 
sheet.  I hope they all continue to bring more and more money in the future.


  Paul 


    On Mar 20, 2018, at 8:44 AM, JAMES GRAY <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:


    Paul,

    Don't assume the owner was just overwhelmed by the scope of the project. It 
could be medical or financial reasons.

    I believe he spent $5K just for a delivered only Ratco frame. I think I can 
say he has more than the asking price invested since his car is an IRS as is my 
own and both share similar parts. It wouldn't take much to delete the disc 
brakes if one insisted on the originals. Personally I feel bad for the guy to 
have to bail on such a worthy car.

    As far as surprises go, the normal surprises you won't find on this car are 
hidden body rot, bondo'd dents hidden frame rot, cracks, worn out suspension 
components, worn out motor & shoddy work.

    There is a buyer out there for it, they just haven't come along yet.I hope 
he gets all the money he's asking for it.

    jim g

      On March 19, 2018 at 3:18 PM Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
wrote:

      Scott,


      Agreed.


      That is why when things have been for sale for 2+ years on every site 
imaginable, we do not even waste our time bidding on them.  This thing has had 
more turns than a door knob at being sold.  We have seen for sale just about 
everywhere in the last 2 years.  I find that dealing with sellers like this is 
just a complete waste of time.  $17,000 is a lot of money for an unfinished 
project of this sort. It has been heavily modified and will never be viewed at 
the same value as a truly restored car by the collectors who pay a premium for 
originality.  


      The surprises are a guarantee.  If it were that way to easy to throw it 
together and go for a ride, the seller would have done it.  There is always a 
reason why people give up on these projects, and they are never telling the 
entire story when it is for sale as unfinished.


      No doubt it would be a fun car to drive when finished, but it could be an 
expensive and time consuming ride to get there.


      Paul



        On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at 
autox.team.net> wrote:


        Well, folks, even though this seller did not think so, there appears to 
be a strong market for unfinished projects.  I?m amazed this seller did not 
take the $17,000 high bid. The gap between what?s here and a finished car is 
potentially a lot of work and some surprises.   
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-triumph-tr4-4/






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