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To: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu>, dave n <dave@ranteer.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] winter storage
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 17:45:53 +0000 (UTC)
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Delivered-to: triumphs@autox.team.net
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=C2=A0The British were the fastest to realize the can's excellent design wi=
th the American's, as usual, having to try and "improve" a superior design,=
 failing at every attempt, and finally adopting the design in it's entirety=
. The three handles are so one person, or two people with one on each side,=
 can carry the can.

Sir Winston Churchill, 1/2 american by birth, once commented something alon=
g the lines of: "you can always trust the Americans to do the right thing. =
but not until they have exhausted all other possibilities".



      From: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu>
 To: dave n <dave@ranteer.com>; "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.t=
eam.net>=20
 Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [TR] winter storage
  =20
I agree! I would keep those cans in the family forever. Genuine WW II histo=
rical artifacts.=C2=A0
Historical records list the Germans as the original inventor of the "Jerry"=
, 4 liter or 5.3 US Gallon can before WW II. During WW II the British, Amer=
icans and Russians all realized the can was superior to what they were usin=
g and after a few variations eventually copied the design, still in use tod=
ay. The British were the fastest to realize the can's excellent design with=
 the American's, as usual, having to try and "improve" a superior design, f=
ailing at every attempt, and finally adopting the design in it's entirety. =
The three handles are so one person, or two people with one on each side, c=
an carry the can. =C2=A0
Dave, the two I have are very cool but not nearly as historical as what you=
 have. Keep them forever,=C2=A0or maybe consider donating them to a museum.=
 What a cool display they would make in your shop. So much history there. N=
ot a single, ground based, gasoline powered vehicle on either side moved ve=
ry far without those cans.=C2=A0
Oddly, I was recently reading about President Roosevelt's WW II history and=
 came across a passage where he actually referenced those "Jerry" cans and =
said without them the Allies would not have been as successful in France as=
 we were.=C2=A0
Some amazing history represented in those two cans.=C2=A0
Randall Reihing
From: Triumphs [triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] on behalf of dave n [dave@=
ranteer.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 8:30 AM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] winter storage

wonderful history.=C2=A0 don=E2=80=99t ever let them go!=C2=A0From: Dave Se=
nt: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:45 AMTo: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk ; Randall.=
Reihing@utoledo.edu ; dave@ranteer.com ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: R=
e: [TR] winter storage=C2=A0That's 'cause they were paced in cosmoline.=C2=
=A0 ;-)

Cheers and thanks for the remembrances.
=C2=A0=C2=A0Dave Massey

=C2=A0=C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk>
To: 'Reihing, Randall S.' <Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu>; 'dave n' <dave@ran=
teer.com>; triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2016 6:23 am
Subject: Re: [TR] winter storage

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:I have two WW II US Army five gallon cans that were originally on a WW II =
US Army tank and at 75 years old they are still good, do not leak, are not =
rusty inside or outside, and hold fuel for as long as I need them to, which=
 is a lot less than 20-30 years.=C2=A0=C2=A0Snap! They knew how to make the=
m in WW2. I=E2=80=99ve still got a 25 litre German jerrican in German field=
 grey stamped, =E2=80=9CWehrmacht. Afrika Korps 1942 =E2=80=93 fur Kubelwag=
en=E2=80=9D. Presumably it was designed to clip on to the open-topped VW us=
ed by the likes of Rommel and friends?=C2=A0How this can made it back to En=
gland is anyone=E2=80=99s guess, especially as it has two approx. 5 inch di=
ameter patches painted olive green welded to either face equally stamped on=
 the patches =E2=80=9CBritish Fifth Army LRDG=E2=80=9D which LRDG means Lon=
g Range Desert Group. These were the guys who penetrated far behind enemy l=
ines and made a nuisance of themselves by blowing up supply lines and indul=
ging in other unco-operative initiatives. Dad used the can for years afterw=
ards for kerosene to keep the kero heater in our greenhouse at home going i=
n the winter. It=E2=80=99s still good for use and while it takes up a lot o=
f space in my tiny workshop, I can=E2=80=99t bring myself to be rid of itJ =
It=E2=80=99s strange how the Germans and the Allies used such a familiar de=
sign. Who copied who or was it two like minds on different sides coming up =
with the same idea and concept?=C2=A0Jonmac

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=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4904"><i>&nbsp;The British were the fas=
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_4911">Sir Winston Churchill, 1/2 american by birth, once commented somethi=
ng along the lines of: "you can always trust the Americans to do the right =
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1_1462297072257_5049"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b=
> "Reihing, Randall S." &lt;Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu&gt;<br> <b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> dave n &lt;dave@ranteer.com&gt;; =
"triumphs@autox.team.net" &lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt; <br> <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:57 AM<br>=
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TR] winter =
storage<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
ym19_1_1462297072257_4827"><br><div id=3D"yiv2343819070"><style type=3D"tex=
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<div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Tahoma;color:#000000;font-size:10pt=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4825">I agree! I would keep those =
cans in the family forever. Genuine WW II historical artifacts.&nbsp;
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4905"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4906">Historical records list th=
e Germans as the original inventor of the "Jerry", 4 liter or 5.3 US Gallon=
 can before WW II. During WW II the British, Americans and Russians all rea=
lized the can was superior to what they were using and after a few variatio=
ns
 eventually copied the design, still in use today. The British were the fas=
test to realize the can's excellent design with the American's, as usual, h=
aving to try and "improve" a superior design, failing at every attempt, and=
 finally adopting the design in
 it's entirety. The three handles are so one person, or two people with one=
 on each side, can carry the can. &nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_5136"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4878">Dave, the two I have are v=
ery cool but not nearly as historical as what you have. Keep them forever,<=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_5137">=
&nbsp;or maybe consider donating them to a museum. What a cool display they=
 would make in your shop. So much history there. Not
 a single, ground based, gasoline powered vehicle on either side moved very=
 far without those cans.&nbsp;</span></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_5138"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4842">Oddly, I was recently read=
ing about President Roosevelt's WW II history and came across a passage whe=
re he actually referenced those "Jerry" cans and said without them the Alli=
es would not have been as successful in France as we were.&nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462297072257_4824"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Some amazing history represented in those two cans.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Randall Reihing<br clear=3D"none">
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=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Triumphs [triumphs-bo=
unces@autox.team.net] on behalf of dave n [dave@ranteer.com]<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 03, 2016 8:30 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> triumphs@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] winter storage<br clear=3D"none">
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<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'Calibri';color:#000000;">
<div>wonderful history.&nbsp; don=E2=80=99t ever let them go!</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;">
<div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma;">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div style=3D""><b>From:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"da=
ve1massey@cs.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>
Dave</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:45 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"john.macartney@=
ukpips.org.uk" ymailto=3D"mailto:john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk"; target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk";>
john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a> ; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=
=3D"Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu" ymailto=3D"mailto:Randall.Reihing@utoledo.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu";>
Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu</a> ; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=
=3D"dave@ranteer.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
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dave@ranteer.com</a> ; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"triumphs=
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triumphs@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] winter storage</div>
</div>
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<font color=3D"black" size=3D"4" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><fon=
t size=3D"4">That's 'cause they were paced in cosmoline.&nbsp; ;-)</font><b=
r clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<font size=3D"4">Cheers and thanks for the remembrances.</font><br clear=3D=
"none">
</font><div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both;"><font size=3D"4">Dave Massey</font><br clear=3D"=
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
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--Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: John Macartney &lt;john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk&gt;<br clear=3D"none"=
>
To: 'Reihing, Randall S.' &lt;Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu&gt;; 'dave n' &lt=
;dave@ranteer.com&gt;; triumphs &lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br clear=3D=
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Sent: Tue, May 3, 2016 6:23 am<br clear=3D"none">
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ll Reihing wrote:</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;"></span></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">I hav=
e two WW II US Army five gallon cans that were originally on a WW II US Arm=
y tank and at 75 years old they are still good, do not leak, are not rusty =
inside
 or outside, and hold fuel for as long as I need them to, which is a lot le=
ss than 20-30 years.&nbsp;
</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;"></spa=
n>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">Snap!=
 They knew how to make them in WW2. I=E2=80=99ve still got a 25 litre Germa=
n jerrican in German field grey stamped, =E2=80=9CWehrmacht. Afrika Korps 1=
942 =E2=80=93 fur Kubelwagen=E2=80=9D. Presumably
 it was designed to clip on to the open-topped VW used by the likes of Romm=
el and friends?</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;"></spa=
n>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">How t=
his can made it back to England is anyone=E2=80=99s guess, especially as it=
 has two approx. 5 inch diameter patches painted olive green welded to eith=
er face equally stamped
 on the patches =E2=80=9CBritish Fifth Army LRDG=E2=80=9D which LRDG means =
Long Range Desert Group. These were the guys who penetrated far behind enem=
y lines and made a nuisance of themselves by blowing up supply lines and in=
dulging in other unco-operative initiatives. Dad
 used the can for years afterwards for kerosene to keep the kero heater in =
our greenhouse at home going in the winter. It=E2=80=99s still good for use=
 and while it takes up a lot of space in my tiny workshop, I can=E2=80=99t =
bring myself to be rid of it</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-famil=
y:wingdings;">J</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">
 It=E2=80=99s strange how the Germans and the Allies used such a familiar d=
esign. Who copied who or was it two like minds on different sides coming up=
 with the same idea and concept?</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;"></spa=
n>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2343819070MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">Jonma=
c</span></div>
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