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Re: [TR] TYR3 Overdrive maintenance

To: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] TYR3 Overdrive maintenance
From: "Wbeech@flash.net" <wbeech@flash.net>
Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 09:57:54 -0500
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>, Bill Beecher <bill_beecher@flash.net>
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I have a couple of those, 6-8" I believe, might try that before the pipe wre=
nch.  Thx

Sent from my VIC-64

On May 2, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@gmail.com> wrote:

Perhaps not the common tool it once was but the old 'Monkey Wrench' is what I=
 use for that nut:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_wrench

The on e I have is labeled 'Ford' - probably out of an old Model A tool kit.=
  File image:



Geo

> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:=

> I don't have a notched plug, so I shouldn't need that scary socket.   I tr=
ied a 32mm socket, too big, and a 30mm socket, too small.  So I'll see if I c=
an find goldilocks somewhere tomorrow.   Hate put a pipe wrench on it, last o=
ption.
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> Bill
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> Sent from my VIC-64
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> On Apr 30, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
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> > 1. Have learned that the transmission and O/D use the same
> > oil reservoir so is the Red Line MT90 that I really love for
> > the trans is OK in the O/D unit?
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> MT-90 works fine for me.  I even contacted Redline tech support and that's=
 what they recommended.
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> > 2. I have drained the trans from the normal plug, do I drain
> > the O/D from that big brass plug?
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> Yes.  There is a screen inside, and perhaps some magnets, that should be c=
leaned as well.  On earlier units, you remove a small
> screw with a flat washer and spacer, to get the screen out.  On later unit=
s it just pulls out (or falls out from it's own weight if
> things are pretty clean).
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> > 3. If #2 is yes, Do I have to be careful of anything that may
> > come out, i.e. springs or seals, when I remove the plug?
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> There's a big fiber washer that seals the plug.  Not usually a problem, bu=
t check that it is not damaged before you reuse it.  I had
> one split and cause a leak that was hard to find.  Wouldn't hurt to have a=
 spare on hand (P/N 500641).
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> Main thing to be careful of, IMO, is the plug itself.  Brass is fairly sof=
t, and it's easy to distort the plug, especially if you
> have the later one with the notches and try to use a drift in one notch to=
 turn it.  Here's a photo of the two tools I've made to
> turn the later type:
> http://s258.photobucket.com/user/TR3driver/media/Tools/DSCF0007_lighter.jp=
g.html
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> The one in the background is just a heavy iron bar (sold at Home Depot as a=
 stake for concrete forms) that was drilled and tapped
> for a couple of bolts, then the bolts were filed to suit the plug notches.=
  It worked OK, but a bit hard to get positioned on the
> car.
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> The big socket with notches milled into it to form the teeth worked better=
, but I wish I had made it shorter so it would have less
> of a tendency to twist.  I forget the size offhand, but the socket was on e=
Bay, used to adjust wheel bearing nuts on a truck axle.
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> For the earlier type, I just found a heavy (impact) 6 point socket to fit,=
 and filed down the end so it grabbed as much of the hex
> as possible.  Seems like maybe it was a 35mm socket (sold for CV joints on=
 FWD cars), but I'm not certain of the size offhand.
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> -- Randall
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I have a couple of those, 6-8" I belie=
ve, might try that before the pipe wrench. &nbsp;Thx<br><br>Sent from my VIC=
-64</div><div><br>On May 2, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Geo Hahn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:ahwahneetr@gmail.com">ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Perhaps not the common tool it once was but the old '=
Monkey Wrench' is what I use for that nut:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_wrench";>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/=
Monkey_wrench</a></div><div><br></div><div>The on e I have is labeled 'Ford'=
 - probably out of an old Model A tool kit.&nbsp; File image:</div><div><br>=
</div><div><img width=3D"471" height=3D"179" src=3D"https://img0.etsystatic.=
com/004/0/5022161/il_570xN.367835942_6i0a.jpg"><br></div><div><br></div><div=
>Geo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 Sun, May 1, 2016 at 7:08 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net";>Wbeech@fla=
sh.net</a> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">wbeech@flash.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">I don't have a notched plug, so I shouldn't need that scary socket.&nbs=
p; &nbsp;I tried a 32mm socket, too big, and a 30mm socket, too small.&nbsp;=
 So I'll see if I can find goldilocks somewhere tomorrow.&nbsp; &nbsp;Hate p=
ut a pipe wrench on it, last option.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<span><br>
<br>
<br>
Sent from my VIC-64<br>
<br>
On Apr 30, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.=
com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; 1. Have learned that the transmission and=
 O/D use the same<br>
&gt; oil reservoir so is the Red Line MT90 that I really love for<br>
&gt; the trans is OK in the O/D unit?<br>
<br>
MT-90 works fine for me.&nbsp; I even contacted Redline tech support and tha=
t's what they recommended.<br>
<br>
&gt; 2. I have drained the trans from the normal plug, do I drain<br>
&gt; the O/D from that big brass plug?<br>
<br>
Yes.&nbsp; There is a screen inside, and perhaps some magnets, that should b=
e cleaned as well.&nbsp; On earlier units, you remove a small<br>
screw with a flat washer and spacer, to get the screen out.&nbsp; On later u=
nits it just pulls out (or falls out from it's own weight if<br>
things are pretty clean).<br>
<br>
&gt; 3. If #2 is yes, Do I have to be careful of anything that may<br>
&gt; come out, i.e. springs or seals, when I remove the plug?<br>
<br>
There's a big fiber washer that seals the plug.&nbsp; Not usually a problem,=
 but check that it is not damaged before you reuse it.&nbsp; I had<br>
one split and cause a leak that was hard to find.&nbsp; Wouldn't hurt to hav=
e a spare on hand (P/N 500641).<br>
<br>
Main thing to be careful of, IMO, is the plug itself.&nbsp; Brass is fairly s=
oft, and it's easy to distort the plug, especially if you<br>
have the later one with the notches and try to use a drift in one notch to t=
urn it.&nbsp; Here's a photo of the two tools I've made to<br>
turn the later type:<br>
<a href=3D"http://s258.photobucket.com/user/TR3driver/media/Tools/DSCF0007_l=
ighter.jpg.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://s258.photobucke=
t.com/user/TR3driver/media/Tools/DSCF0007_lighter.jpg.html</a><br>
<br>
The one in the background is just a heavy iron bar (sold at Home Depot as a s=
take for concrete forms) that was drilled and tapped<br>
for a couple of bolts, then the bolts were filed to suit the plug notches.&n=
bsp; It worked OK, but a bit hard to get positioned on the<br>
car.<br>
<br>
The big socket with notches milled into it to form the teeth worked better, b=
ut I wish I had made it shorter so it would have less<br>
of a tendency to twist.&nbsp; I forget the size offhand, but the socket was o=
n eBay, used to adjust wheel bearing nuts on a truck axle.<br>
<br>
For the earlier type, I just found a heavy (impact) 6 point socket to fit, a=
nd filed down the end so it grabbed as much of the hex<br>
as possible.&nbsp; Seems like maybe it was a 35mm socket (sold for CV joints=
 on FWD cars), but I'm not certain of the size offhand.<br>
<br>
-- Randall<br>
<br>
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