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New stainless steel braided hoses on the calipers. Same old 20 year old
hose in the rear. Something to think about I guess.
Mike M
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 1:48 PM Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Daniel - think hoses. =F0=9F=98=81
>
> On Jan 16, 2022, at 4:46 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> In my experience the usual cause is rear brakes not adjusted tight
> enough. The first press of the pedal moves the shoes away from their
> resting position, but not all the way to the drum. A quick second press
> of the pedal moves them even further. A quick third press of the pedal m=
ay
> put the shoes in contact with the drum and the pedal feels hard. Release
> the pedal and the shoes move all the way back to their initial resting
> position and you start all over again when you want to use the brakes. N=
o
> air in the system and the pedal feels great once you get the shoes all th=
e
> way out to the drum.
>
> Rick
>
> On Jan 16, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> I don't mind friendly disagreements - its one of the best ways to learn!
> Ok. I guess hard is a relative term. Assuming I'm wrong, and there is n=
o
> air in the system what is causing the pedal to need to pump up?
>
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 10:17, GUY DAY <grday@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry Wes,
>>
>> I've got to disagree with part of your last comment. <snip> If the pedal
>> pumps up hard and absolutely stays hard there is still air in the
>> system.<end snip>. If the pedal stays hard there is NO air (or leaks) in
>> the system. If there is air in the system then the pedal will feel
>> 'springy' or 'bouncy'. Air will always act as a spring within a fluid
>> system and anything akin to a discerning foot will feel it.
>>
>>
>> Fully agree with the rest of your post - and I've had people saying the
>> brakes are fine as the pedal very slowly sinks to the floor!. It feels f=
irm
>> but the pedal sinks over a minute or so. (If no fluid is lost there is a
>> seal leak in the m/cyl).
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay well,
>>
>>
>> Guy R Day
>>
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Weslake1330 via Spridgets" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>> To: "Michael MacLean" <springer.mike51@gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, 16 Jan, 22 At 09:22
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brake Bleed
>>
>> Air can get trapped in a solid brake line and not easily find its way to
>> the slave to be bled out. I have heard some people say that after drivin=
g
>> the car a few times the air moves about and then the system bleeds bette=
r.
>> On my Sprite I've sometimes left it a week and then come back to it and
>> re-bled it with a better result. I'm also always resigned to using massi=
ve
>> amount of fluid and pumping it all through. I do have s/s easy bleed
>> nipples but still use a basic bleeding tool as well.
>>
>> If the pedal pumps up hard and absolutely stays hard there is still air
>> in the system. If it pumps up hard but won't stay absolutely hard -
>> something isn't quite seating correcting or you have some other sort of
>> leak.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 08:49, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You're right. I got it backasswards. New master with twin 3/4" bores.
>>> The old one was 7/8" in one bore for the drum brakes and 3/4" bore for =
the
>>> Datsun clutch in the other. Rear is adjusted as best as possible. Pity =
you
>>> can't get shoes arced anymore for full contact with the drum. I will tr=
y to
>>> wear them in and keep adjusting to see if that helps.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 9:20 PM Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Front disc brakes should have a 3/4" master. Make sure the rear drums
>>>> are adjusted properly. If the rears aren't adjusted properly you quite
>>>> often will have to pump the pedal to get it firm.
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>> > On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:22 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
>>>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > =EF=BB=BF
>>>> > The front drum brakes and master cylinder on my Bugeye were recently
>>>> swapped out for disc brakes. The old master was 3/4" bore with a 7/8"
>>>> sleeve for the Datsun clutch. The new master is 7/8" in both bores to
>>>> actuate the calipers correctly. Installation went without a hitch and =
the
>>>> car was bled multiple times, but for some reason the brake pedal goes =
down
>>>> aways before it works. You can actually pump the pedal up a bit. We ca=
n't
>>>> understand it. There are no leaks and it was bled properly, butt it ac=
ts
>>>> like there is still air in the system. Any ideas?
>>>> > Mike MacLean
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<div dir=3D"auto">New stainless steel braided hoses on the calipers.=C2=A0 =
Same old 20 year old hose in the rear.=C2=A0 Something to think about I gue=
ss.<div dir=3D"auto">Mike M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 1:48 PM Rick Fisk vi=
a Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox=
.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Daniel - think hoses. =C2=
=A0=F0=9F=98=81</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan =
16, 2022, at 4:46 PM, Rick Fisk <<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@chartermi.net"=
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">refisk@chartermi.net</a>> wrote:<b=
r><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">In my experience the usual cause=
is rear brakes not adjusted tight enough.=C2=A0 The first press of the ped=
al moves the shoes away from their resting position, but not all the way to=
the drum. =C2=A0 A quick second press of the pedal moves them even further=
.=C2=A0 A quick third press of the pedal may put the shoes in contact with =
the drum and the pedal feels hard.=C2=A0 Release the pedal and the shoes mo=
ve all the way back to their initial resting position and you start all ove=
r again when you want to use the brakes.=C2=A0 No air in the system and the=
pedal feels great once you get the shoes all the way out to the drum.</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 16, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Weslake1330 via Spr=
idgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquot=
e></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr=
">I don't mind friendly disagreements - its one of the best ways to lea=
rn!=C2=A0 Ok.=C2=A0 I guess hard is a relative term.=C2=A0 Assuming I'm=
wrong, and there is no air in the system what is causing the pedal to need=
to pump up?</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 10:17, GUY DAY <<a href=3D"mailto:grd=
ay@btinternet.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">grday@btinternet.co=
m</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><u></u> <div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"unicode-bidi:embed">Sorry Wes,=
<div><p>I've got to disagree with part of your last comment. <snip&=
gt; <span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">If the pedal pumps up hard and abs=
olutely stays hard there is still air in the system.<end snip>. </sp=
an><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">If the pedal stays hard there is NO=
air (or leaks) in the system. If there is air in the system then the peda=
l will feel 'springy' or 'bouncy'. Air will always act as=
a spring within a fluid system and anything akin to a discerning foot will=
feel it. </span></p><div><p><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"><br></sp=
an></p><p><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">Fully agree with the rest of=
your post - and I've had people saying the brakes are fine as the peda=
l very slowly sinks to the floor!. It feels firm but the pedal sinks over =
a minute or so. (If no fluid is lost there is a seal leak in the m/cyl). =
</span></p><p><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap;display:inline"><br></spa=
n></p><div><br></div><div><p>Stay well,</p><p><br></p><p>Guy R Day</p><bloc=
kquote style=3D"margin:0px auto;padding:0px 2em;border-left:2px solid rgb(0=
,173,229);white-space:pre-wrap"><br><br>------ Original Message ------<br>F=
rom: "Weslake1330 via Spridgets" <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">spridgets@autox.team.n=
et</a>><br>To: "Michael MacLean" <<a href=3D"mailto:springe=
r.mike51@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">springer.mike51@gm=
ail.com</a>><br>Cc: "Spridgets" <<a href=3D"mailto:spridget=
s@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">spridgets@autox.team=
.net</a>><br>Sent: Sunday, 16 Jan, 22 At 09:22<br>Subject: Re: [Spridget=
s] Brake Bleed<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Air can get trapped in a solid brake=
line and not easily find its way to the slave to be bled out. I have hear=
d some people say that after driving the car a few times the air moves abou=
t and then the system bleeds better. On my Sprite I've sometimes left i=
t a week and then come back to it and re-bled it with a better result. I&#=
39;m also always resigned to using massive amount of fluid and pumping it a=
ll through. I do have s/s easy bleed nipples but still use a basic bleedin=
g tool as well.<div><br></div><div>If the pedal pumps up hard and absolutel=
y stays hard there is still air in the system. If it pumps up hard but won=
't stay absolutely hard - something isn't quite seating correcting =
or you have some other sort of leak.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>=
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Daniel</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 08:49=
, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"><span>spridgets@autox.team.net</s=
pan><span></span></a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>You're right. I got it backassw=
ards. New master with twin 3/4" bores. The old one was 7/8" in=
one bore for the drum brakes and 3/4" bore for the Datsun clutch in t=
he other. Rear is adjusted as best as possible. Pity you can't get sh=
oes arced anymore for full contact with the drum. I will try to wear them =
in and keep adjusting to see if that helps. <br></div><div>Mike<br></div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 9:20 PM Rick Fisk <<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@chart=
ermi.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"><span>refisk@chartermi.net</=
span><span></span></a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex">Hi Mike,<br> <br> Front disc brakes should have a 3/4&quo=
t; master. Make sure the rear drums are adjusted properly. If the rears a=
ren't adjusted properly you quite often will have to pump the pedal to =
get it firm.<br> <br> Rick<br> <br> > On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:22 PM, Mich=
ael MacLean via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"><span>spridgets@autox.team.net</span><s=
pan></span></a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > =EF=BB=BF<br> > The front =
drum brakes and master cylinder on my Bugeye were recently swapped out for =
disc brakes. The old master was 3/4" bore with a 7/8" sleeve for=
the Datsun clutch. The new master is 7/8" in both bores to actuate t=
he calipers correctly. Installation went without a hitch and the car was b=
led multiple times, but for some reason the brake pedal goes down aways bef=
ore it works. You can actually pump the pedal up a bit. We can't under=
stand it. There are no leaks and it was bled properly, butt it acts like t=
here is still air in the system. Any ideas?<br> > Mike MacLean<br> >=
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