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Re: [Spridgets] Brand new Facet fuel pump problem, no power.

To: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner@gmail.com>, Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brand new Facet fuel pump problem, no power.
From: Kevin Valentine via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 08:36:28 -0400
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Lin,

In my opinion, the electric is much better.   I have used both and the
mechanical pump takes a lot of cranking on the starter/battery/engine to
get fuel up to the carbs.  Especially if you don't drive the car a lot.
The electric delivers fuel very quickly to the carbs without the need to
spin all the other parts.  In fact I have a 76 Midget coming in this week
for an electric fuel pump "conversion" because it's on it's 3rd mechanical
pump in 2 years and the owner would like an electric installed for faster
starts.


Kevin V.
Tuscarora, Pa

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Kevin I'll try that and it's a 1275 in a 62 Spridget so no not
> factory electrical pump. Also why isn't anyone using a stock mechanical
> pump? I may swap back in the near future.
> Lin
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Kevin Valentine <kevinv1275@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, it should get 12 volts with the key on.
>>
>> If you don't get a reading using the power wire and the ground wire, try
>> connecting the leads to the power wire and ground the other to the body of
>> the car.  If you get a reading using the body as a ground then you have a
>> bad ground at the tank.
>>
>> Also, if the car was wired for an electric fuel pump at the factory, it
>> should have a white wire (on when the ignition is on) for the power supply
>> to the pump.  Of course the wire you have could have been added or changed
>> before you got the car.
>>
>> Kevin V.
>> Tuscarora, Pa
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>> That is the type of answer I am looking for. Now I don't want to sound
>>> stupid but will I get a 12 volt read if I place the multimeter leads one at
>>> the red power line and one at the black ground line and turn the key (which
>>> I will try this boring before work)?
>>> Lin
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Kevin Valentine <kevinv1275@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lin,
>>>>
>>>> First thing, check the wire at the fuel pump with a meter or test light
>>>> to see if you have power there when the key is on.
>>>>
>>>> If there is power at the pump with the key on,   then either the ground
>>>> is bad at the pump or the pump is bad.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin V.
>>>> Tuscarora, Pa
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <
>>>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>> This afternoon I ran my Sprite's fuel tank dry after driving her
>>>>> without a problem over the weekend a short distance. It was my fault as I
>>>>> swapped to my old loose gas cap during the day because it was "pretty" 
>>>>> (for
>>>>> me pretty stupid) and that allowed the fuel tank with little gas to dry
>>>>> out. My Sprite ran fine until there was no fuel while sitting in the
>>>>> driveway today. I know my old 2 yr old Facet pump is dead because it no
>>>>> longer makes any noise  which it always does when I turn the key prior to
>>>>> starting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I quickly went to the NAPA store and purchased another near exact
>>>>> Facet pump "Posi-Flow" and installed it to the exact location as the 
>>>>> broken
>>>>> one. I connected everything exactly as the previous pump and put 2 gallons
>>>>> of gas in the tank, l reinstalled the rear wheel lowered the jack and
>>>>> reconnected the battery terminal. I turned the key and I get nothing, no
>>>>> sound what-so-ever. I have headlights the starter works and the blinkers
>>>>> too but I hear nothing out of the pump which is usually loud from inside
>>>>> the car.
>>>>>
>>>>> I then thought maybe there was nothing wrong with the old one but I
>>>>> put 12 volts on it with another battery and nothing, so it was clearly
>>>>> burned out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomorrow I'm going to run another ground wire from the black ground on
>>>>> the pump directly to the negative terminal of the battery to be sure I 
>>>>> have
>>>>> contact for ground as it is only connected to the bolt as the prior pump
>>>>> was and I will also run another wire to the red power on the pump directly
>>>>> to the positive terminal of the battery. Other than that I'm stumped. I'll
>>>>> also call Facet for suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing anything? Could the pump be bad? I'm guessing yes but a
>>>>> long shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can I test the new pump other than running the connections
>>>>> directly to the battery?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> Lin
>>>>>
>>>>> 62 Sprite 1275 engine, negative ground
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Lin,<div><br></div><div>In my opinion, the electric is muc=
h better. =C2=A0 I have used both and the mechanical pump takes a lot of cr=
anking on the starter/battery/engine to get fuel up to the carbs.=C2=A0 Esp=
ecially if you don&#39;t drive the car a lot.=C2=A0 The electric delivers f=
uel very quickly to the carbs without the need to spin all the other parts.=
=C2=A0 In fact I have a 76 Midget coming in this week for an electric fuel =
pump &quot;conversion&quot; because it&#39;s on it&#39;s 3rd mechanical pum=
p in 2 years and the owner would like an electric installed for faster star=
ts.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Kevin V.</div><div>Tuscarora, P=
a</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
at, Jul 25, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Linda Grunthaner <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:grunthaner@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">grunthaner@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank=
s Kevin I&#39;ll try that and it&#39;s a 1275 in a 62 Spridget so no not fa=
ctory electrical pump. Also why isn&#39;t anyone using a stock mechanical p=
ump? I may swap back in the near future.<div>Lin</div></div><div class=3D"H=
OEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Kevin Valentine <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kevinv1275@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">kevinv1275@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Yes, it should get 12 volts with the key on.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br><=
/div><div>If you don&#39;t get a reading using the power wire and the groun=
d wire, try connecting the leads to the power wire and ground the other to =
the body of the car.=C2=A0 If you get a reading using the body as a ground =
then you have a bad ground at the tank.<div><br></div><div>Also, if the car=
 was wired for an electric fuel pump at the factory, it should have a white=
 wire (on when the ignition is on) for the power supply to the pump.=C2=A0 =
Of course the wire you have could have been added or changed before you got=
 the car.</div><div><br></div><div>Kevin V.</div><div>Tuscarora, Pa</div><d=
iv><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Linda Grunthaner <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:grunthaner@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
>grunthaner@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Kevin,<div>That is the type of answer I am looking f=
or. Now I don&#39;t want to sound stupid but will I get a 12 volt read if I=
 place the multimeter leads one at the red power line and one at the black =
ground line and turn the key (which I will try this boring before work)?=C2=
=A0</div><div>Lin</div></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Kevin Valentine <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kevinv1275@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank=
">kevinv1275@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Lin,<div><br></div><div>First thing, check the wire at=
 the fuel pump with a meter or test light to see if you have power there wh=
en the key is on. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>If there is power at the =
pump with the key on, =C2=A0 then either the ground is bad at the pump or t=
he pump is bad.</div><div><br></div><div>Kevin V.</div><div>Tuscarora, Pa</=
div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><d=
iv>On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Guys,<div>This afternoon I=
 ran my Sprite&#39;s fuel tank dry after driving her without a problem over=
 the weekend a short distance. It was my fault as I swapped to my old loose=
 gas cap during the day because it was &quot;pretty&quot; (for me pretty st=
upid) and that allowed the fuel tank with little gas to dry out. My Sprite =
ran fine until there was no fuel while sitting in the driveway today. I kno=
w my old 2 yr old Facet pump is dead because it no longer makes any noise =
=C2=A0which it always does when I turn the key prior to starting.</div><div=
><br></div><div>I quickly went to the NAPA store and purchased another near=
 exact Facet pump &quot;Posi-Flow&quot; and installed it to the exact locat=
ion as the broken one. I connected everything exactly as the previous pump =
and put 2 gallons of gas in the tank, l reinstalled the rear wheel lowered =
the jack and reconnected the battery terminal. I turned the key and I get n=
othing, no sound what-so-ever. I have headlights the starter works and the =
blinkers too but I hear nothing out of the pump which is usually loud from =
inside the car.</div><div><br></div><div>I then thought maybe there was not=
hing wrong with the old one but I put 12 volts on it with another battery a=
nd nothing, so it was clearly burned out.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>To=
morrow I&#39;m going to run another ground wire from the black ground on th=
e pump directly to the negative terminal of the battery to be sure I have c=
ontact for ground as it is only connected to the bolt as the prior pump was=
 and I will also run another wire to the red power on the pump directly to =
the positive terminal of the battery. Other than that I&#39;m stumped. I&#3=
9;ll also call Facet for suggestions.</div><div><br></div><div>Am I missing=
 anything? Could the pump be bad? I&#39;m guessing yes but a long shot.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>How can I test the new pump other than running the co=
nnections directly to the battery?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advan=
ce.</div><div>Lin</div><div><br></div><div>62 Sprite 1275 engine, negative =
ground<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br><div><div><br></div>-- <br><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:small">&quot;Pay if forward&quot; in=
 honor of Frank Clarici III, Spritenut</span><br></div></div>
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