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Re: Still No LBC: Spin Doctoring (was: A Shady Firm! (No LBC))

To: richard.arnold@juno.com
Subject: Re: Still No LBC: Spin Doctoring (was: A Shady Firm! (No LBC))
From: type79@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:36:19 -0800
Cc: wizardz@maxinter.net, spridgets@autox.team.net
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Guys,

Rape, Fraud, Theft, Drunken Driving?

I think the question that Everyone is failing to ask is this:

Do any members of Congress own a British Car?

I want to know if THIS is documented and archived anywhere.

-jjf-

richard.arnold@juno.com wrote:

> Paul:
>
> > ... after such a lengthy retort...
>
> Lengthy, yes -- my apologies to the list -- but not time intensive (and,
> hey, it could have been about e-bay....).  This is a bit long also.  NO
> LBC, unless you consider that Max Smart once drove around DC in an LBC.
> Maybe.
>
> > questioning all the posts info.....
>
> With all respect, there was nothing reliable contained in that post.  I
> cannot consider allegations and innuendo to be "information."  Indeed, it
> was a classic smear tactic.  It sounds bad, so it is bad -- even if
> unsubstantiated.
>
> > I for one can tell you that this type of info on both the Senate,
> > Congress, upper level military personnel serving political roles,
> > every page, secretary, and runner  for any of the three branches
> > of government whether accurate or not.... is published public record.
> > I Know!   In past consulting roles, I'm one of the people
> > who has helped archive it!
>
> Again, I'll have to disagree with you.  While I obviously don't know what
> you archived, I am reasonably certain that it did not contain any of the
> sensitive information discussed, unless part of another public record
> (criminal records, for example, may be readily available), or as part of
> a background check (which does not necessarily mean that it can be
> disclosed.  As to the remainder, it seems that the majority are covered
> under various sorts of anti-disclosure laws, of which public servants and
> military members still benefit from (having worked in an S2 shop, I am
> familiar somewhat with these requirements as to the military).
>
> However, let us assume that the information does have a valid source.  If
> so, it most likely came from a background check.  The information in
> these is still considered confidential, even if the subject consented to
> the check (see, for example, the Right to Privacy Act, or the Fair Debt
> Collection Practices Act).  While the information may have been gathered
> and archived, and those archives may be held by a government office, this
> does not mean that they are published public records.
>
> Next to the unsubstantiated weasel words (indefinites such as "accused"),
> the biggest tip-off for me was the lack of verification.  If someone was
> going to go through all the trouble to actually gather this information,
> isn't it reasonable to expect that they would actually identify the
> evil-doers by name?
>
> I, for one, would be very interested to know which one of my elected
> representatives is a spouse-beating, liquor-guzzling, dead-beat,
> non-creditworthy, drunk driving, who might write me a bad check when he
> or she tries to buy my vote.
>
> Heck, if you're gonna count 'em up and sort 'em by category, you'd
> probably post the names on a website someplace.  With a reference to the
> source for the information.
> Unless there isn't one.
>
> Don't take my word for it, but I couldn't find anything in the Lexis or
> WestLaw news or public records database on the subject.  One of our guys
> here is Tom Harkin, Bob Kerrey is across the river.  Since the
> information is available as an archived public record, perhaps you could
> point me toward a source where I can find the disputed information about
> either of these two?
>
> Rich
>
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