This is being forwarded to the list at Richard's request; regarding the
phrase "Bloody cheek!" used recently in reference to one of our esteemed
members.
> ----------
> From: Richard B Gosling[SMTP:Gosling_Richard_B@perkins.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 4:00 AM
> To: Terrence.Banbury; jmcneal
> Subject: RE: Spitfire chassis numbers
>
> Terry and Jeff,
>
> Hmm, two nations divided by a common language, as usual.
>
> I'm trying to think of a direct American translation - probably the
> closest is
> "He's got a lot of nerve!" Or is that a UK-English only phrase as well?
> Basically, it accuses someone of a combination of rudeness and
> presumptiousness. I can see that, to someone who has never met the
> phrase
> before, it could be very confusing!
>
> Richard Gosling and Daffy
>
> P.S. could one of you forward this to the list - for some bizarre reason
> my
> e-mails don't seem to make it if I send them directly.
>
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> Terrence.Banbury@dnr.state.oh.us on 17May2000 06:57 PM
>
> To: Richard B Gosling/1M/Caterpillar@Caterpillar
> spitlist@gte.net@INTERNET
> jmcneal@ohms.com@INTERNET
> cc: spitfires@autox.team.net@INTERNET
> Subject: RE: Spitfire chassis numbers
> Retain Until: 16/06/2000 Retention Category: G90 - Information and
> Reports
> Caterpillar Confidential: Green
>
> Could we get an interpretation, here?
> Joe, you cheeky monkey, you!
>
> > ----------
> > From: Jeff McNeal[SMTP:jmcneal@ohms.com]
> > Reply To: Jeff McNeal
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:39 PM
> > To: Joe Curry; Richard B Gosling
> > Cc: Spitfire Internet Mail List
> > Subject: Re: Spitfire chassis numbers
> >
> >
> > "Bloody cheek"?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joe Curry <spitlist@gte.net>
> > To: Richard B Gosling <Gosling_Richard_B@perkins.com>
> > Cc: Spitfire Internet Mail List <spitfires@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: Spitfire chassis numbers
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'll be sure to take my letters from Anders providing all the details
> I
> > reference with me to the Triumphest gathering in San Diego and
> > > show them to Mr. Robson. He is scheduled to be there along with Kas
> > Kastner as guests of the event. Perhaps we can compare notes.
> > >
> > > In putting together the Spitfire database, I have had occasion to ask
> > Herr
> > Clausager several questions regarding oddities that I have
> > > found in the various Spitfire models and he has provided me with much
> > data
> > regarding them. He does, however indicate that the data is
> > > far from complete is certain areas.
> > >
> > > While, I don't recall exactly what the issue was back then (getting a
> > bit
> > long in the tooth), but as I recall, The name of the person
> > > whose data was mentioned was not given, so my comments were not meant
> to
> > cast aspersions on anyone's character, just the source of his
> > > data. If our sources are the same person, I wonder how accurate it
> > really
> > is. However, it seems to me that whatever it was that was
> > > in question was so far different from my own data that it could
> possible
> > have been someone's misinterpretation or a typographical error
> > > that led to the difference.
> > >
> > > At any rate, I'd love to have the opportunity to compare notes to see
> > where the differences are and perhaps even call Anders into the
> > > fray as a "Referree"! :)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > P.S. The data that I have received from Anders was during February
> > through
> > April 1998. And I did notice that in those exchanges, some
> > > of the data was updated from one letter to the next. Therefore, it
> > appears that the data appears to be a "Work in Progress" and will
> > > vary as more information is accumulated by Anders.
> > >
> > > I might add that I have also found that you cannot fully trust
> > everything
> > that ANders tells you. A case in point: He said that in the
> > > later (VIN numbered) Spitfire models the digit before the last "T"
> will
> > always be "A" (meaning 1980) and a number 9 does not exist. On
> > > the contrary, I have registered several cars in the Spitfire database
> > that
> > do indeed have the number 9 in that position.
> > >
> > > If you still have details of the original information that I
> questioned,
> > I
> > would like you to pass it along so I can have it for
> > > reference in case this thing continues!
> > >
> > > Richard B Gosling wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > >
> > > > Remember a couple of months back, 'Club Torque' (the magazine of
> Club
> > Triumph
> > > > in the UK) published Spitfire chassis numbers, and there was some
> > discussion
> > > > over their accuracy - you produced a different set of number for
> some
> > models?
> > > > Well, next issue, a couple of months down the line, and your e-mail
> > has
> > been
> > > > published, along with a reply from the guy responsible for the
> > original
> > set of
> > > > numbers in 'Club Torque'.
> > > >
> > > > You may well have already seen a copy of this, but just in case you
> > haven't,
> > > > here's the reply (be warned, you seem to have pushed his button!):
> > > >
> > > > Dear Derek (Pollock that is, Editor of Club Torque),
> > > > Thank you for letting me se the obviously disbelieving rant about
> > Triumph
> > > > Spitfire production from someone in the USA. The implication about
> > my
> > > > quotation of Spitfire production figures is that I made up
> everything
> > to suit
> > > > myself. Well - I object to that. All production figures and all
> > chassis
> > > > number details, first, last, changeover, etc. always come from
> Anders
> > > > Clausager at the BMIHT, at the time the book was originally
> written.
> > I
> > have
> > > > always found it wise not to second-guess whatever Anders tells me,
> > because he
> > > > has all the statistics and records there at Gaydon. I don't know
> who
> > Joe is,
> > > > but if his source is the BMIHT and so is mine, how can the figures
> > possibly
> > > > 'differ greatly' from those I quote? And does 'greatly' mean 20 in
> > 300,000 or
> > > > 10,000 in 300,000? If we're going to have a war, let's get down to
> > > > specifics... "I'd question the source of the person who wrote
> > that..."
> > > > Bloody cheek. I'd be very chary about writing that about an
> American
> > writing
> > > > about American cars, so why does he do it in the other direction?
> > > > The only thing I would say is that even Anders occasionally
> > massages/marginally
> > > > alters his figures from time to time. Accordingly, those I quote
> in
> > my
> > MRP
> > > > Collectors Guide for Spitfires/GT6s are slightly different from
> those
> > > > published in my Osprey book and from my MRP book, merely because
> one
> > book came
> > > > along years later. I rechecked (that's right, rechecked)
> everything
> > and used
> > > > Anders' latest 'sworn on a bible' facts and figures. As you can
> see,
> > I
> > don't
> > > > like my integrity being rubbished - and you are welcome to use the
> > whole of
> > > > this to quote back at the obviously saintly 'Joe'. If he wants to
> > contact me
> > > > by e-mail, I am on: grahamrobson@compuserve.com.
> > > >
> > > > Graham Robson
> > > >
> > > > I guess you touched a few nerves there! In any case, if you haven't
> > seen it I
> > > > believe you have a right to. I guess the rest of the list would be
> > fascinated
> > > > to see what transpires - for some reason I seem unable to send
> > e-mails
> > to the
> > > > list, although I can e-mail individuals, so if you are happy to
> share
> > this
> > > > around please forward it to the list.
> > > >
> > > > I am taking no sides here, I'm just copying out a letter from a
> > magazine, so
> > > > please no-one have a go at me over this! Don't shoot the
> messenger!!
> > > >
> > > > Richard Gosling and Daffy
> > >
> >
>
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