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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Washer/dryer clearances
From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:09:27 -0400
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Thanks, guys.  I think there will be room to get a duct in, but it is =
going to be a pain in the butt and an extra couple of inches probably =
wouldn=E2=80=99t help that much.  I hadn=E2=80=99t thought about a vent =
in the door - it is solid - but it is something to think about.  My wife =
just told me she is happy to leave the door open when we are washing =
clothes, which surprised me.  We=E2=80=99ll see how she feels when =
we=E2=80=99re actually doing that, but I could always put an HVAC vent =
in the door.

At the moment, I am thinking the best course is to put the washer/dryer =
in with sound absorbing pads for the dryer.  Building a shelf to isolate =
the two in an interesting idea that I hadn=E2=80=99t though of.  I=E2=80=99=
ll probably just use the kit provided by the manufacturer - the unit is =
currently set up in my garage (more shop content!) and at least in =
there, it doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be a problem.  Adding a shelf if =
needed is something I will definitely keep in the back of my mind, once =
we see how everything works in reality.

Thanks again!
Jim


> On Oct 17, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Bill Rabel via Shop-talk =
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Here=E2=80=99s the skinny duct. It=E2=80=99s shorter than I =
remembered.=20
> =
<=C2=A0https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/B=
001AAEG6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&qid=3D1571345903=
&sr=3D8-1 =
<https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/B001AAE=
G6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&qid=3D1571345903&sr=3D=
8-1>>
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> - Bill Rabel
>   Anacortes=20
>=20
> =E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it =
whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the =
wrong remedy.=E2=80=9D - Sir Ernest Benn
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>> On Oct 17, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk =
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFIs the door louvered?  If not, you might run into problems =
when operating the dryer in such a small room with the door closed.  The =
dryer blower is going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and that air =
needs to come from somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers =
leaving clothes damp and for many of them the problem can be traced back =
to dryer starved for air.
>>=20
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 10/17/19 12:29 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
>>> We are finishing up our new cottage and ready to put the washer and =
dryer into the laundry closet.  The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so =
everything was designed pretty tightly.  Too tightly on the laundry =
closet, we have discovered.  The recommended clearances for the stacked =
washer and dryer are 1=E2=80=9D on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2=E2=80=
=9D in back.  The 5 1/2 in back is the problem.
>>>=20
>>> The units are 27=E2=80=9D x 30=E2=80=9D, so the recommended closet =
space is 29=E2=80=9D by 36 1/2=E2=80=9D.  The closet is 38" x 34" when =
the door is closed, something I know my wife will want to do when the =
units are being used.  So, we have more then enough room on the sides, =
but too little in the back, where the vents are.  (FWIW: They only =
require about 7' of head room; we have 9=E2=80=99.)  We haven=E2=80=99t =
put the units in yet, but there should be more than enough space for the =
plumbing and dryer vent.
>>>=20
>>> So, any thoughts? The closet door is a pocket door and we could fix =
the problem (or at least get close enough) by removing it and replacing =
it with a conventional door.  But, that would add time and expense at a =
time when we feel like we are out of both. I always assume there is some =
wiggle room set by the factories on things like minimum clearance, but =
certainly don=E2=80=99t want to create a fire hazard or burn out an =
expensive appliance.  We have more than enough total open area, but does =
that make up for the clearance in the back?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim
>>>=20
>>> p.s.  Shop content: I discovered the problem when I was installing =
the overflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that will route any =
water from the basement into the garage.  :)
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thanks, guys. &nbsp;I think there will be room to get a duct =
in, but it is going to be a pain in the butt and an extra couple of =
inches probably wouldn=E2=80=99t help that much. &nbsp;I hadn=E2=80=99t =
thought about a vent in the door - it is solid - but it is something to =
think about. &nbsp;My wife just told me she is happy to leave the door =
open when we are washing clothes, which surprised me. &nbsp;We=E2=80=99ll =
see how she feels when we=E2=80=99re actually doing that, but I could =
always put an HVAC vent in the door.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">At the moment, I am thinking the best =
course is to put the washer/dryer in with sound absorbing pads for the =
dryer. &nbsp;Building a shelf to isolate the two in an interesting idea =
that I hadn=E2=80=99t though of. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ll probably just use =
the kit provided by the manufacturer - the unit is currently set up in =
my garage (more shop content!) and at least in there, it doesn=E2=80=99t =
seem to be a problem. &nbsp;Adding a shelf if needed is something I will =
definitely keep in the back of my mind, once we see how everything works =
in reality.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks again!</div><div class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct 17, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Bill Rabel via =
Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Here=E2=80=99s the skinny duct. =
It=E2=80=99s shorter than I remembered.&nbsp;</span><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/=
B001AAEG6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&amp;qid=3D15713=
45903&amp;sr=3D8-1" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Peri=
scope/dp/B001AAEG6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&amp;qi=
d=3D1571345903&amp;sr=3D8-1</a>&gt;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
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white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">- =
Bill Rabel</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D"">&nbsp; Anacortes&nbsp;<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1">=E2=80=9CPoliti=
cs is the art of looking for trouble, finding it<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
class=3D"s2">whether it exists or not</span><span class=3D"s1">, =
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
class=3D"s2">remedy.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: =
13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=3D"">- Sir Ernest =
Benn</span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Oct 17, 2019, at 1:12 =
PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<span class=3D"">Is the door =
louvered?&nbsp; If not, you might run into problems when operating the =
dryer in such a small room with the door closed.&nbsp; The dryer blower =
is going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and that air needs to come =
from somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers leaving clothes =
damp and for many of them the problem can be traced back to dryer =
starved for air.</span><br class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">Just something to keep in mind.</span><br =
class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br class=3D""><span =
class=3D""></span><br class=3D""><span class=3D"">On 10/17/19 12:29 PM, =
Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:</span><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span class=3D"">We are finishing up our new =
cottage and ready to put the washer and dryer into the laundry closet. =
&nbsp;The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so everything was designed pretty =
tightly. &nbsp;Too tightly on the laundry closet, we have discovered. =
&nbsp;The recommended clearances for the stacked washer and dryer are =
1=E2=80=9D on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2=E2=80=9D in back. =
&nbsp;The 5 1/2 in back is the problem.</span><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">The units are 27=E2=80=9D x 30=E2=80=9D, so =
the recommended closet space is 29=E2=80=9D by 36 1/2=E2=80=9D. =
&nbsp;The closet is 38" x 34" when the door is closed, something I know =
my wife will want to do when the units are being used. &nbsp;So, we have =
more then enough room on the sides, but too little in the back, where =
the vents are. &nbsp;(FWIW: They only require about 7' of head room; we =
have 9=E2=80=99.) &nbsp;We haven=E2=80=99t put the units in yet, but =
there should be more than enough space for the plumbing and dryer =
vent.</span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span class=3D"">So, any thoughts? The closet =
door is a pocket door and we could fix the problem (or at least get =
close enough) by removing it and replacing it with a conventional door. =
&nbsp;But, that would add time and expense at a time when we feel like =
we are out of both. I always assume there is some wiggle room set by the =
factories on things like minimum clearance, but certainly don=E2=80=99t =
want to create a fire hazard or burn out an expensive appliance. =
&nbsp;We have more than enough total open area, but does that make up =
for the clearance in the back?</span><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">Thanks,</span><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">Jim</span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
 class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">p.s. &nbsp;Shop content: I discovered the problem when I was =
installing the overflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that will =
route any water from the basement into the garage. &nbsp;:)</span><br =
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