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Re: [Shop-talk] Hearing protection for mowing

To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>, Brad Kahler <bkahler1@gmail.com>, Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hearing protection for mowing
From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 18:24:56 -0500
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ANR - Active Noise Reduction - indeed does protect hearing.  The units vary 
in sophistication, but all essentially have a microphone in each earcup 
that "listens" to the sound inside.  The circuitry of course knows what 
it's putting out (assuming this is an actual audio headset and not just a 
hearing protector) and ignores that.  It generates an opposite-phase sound 
wave to whatever it "hears" as noise, and thus the noise and the ANR signal 
cancel each other.  Your ear received less sound pressure.

I have a pair of Peltor muffs for shooting with microphones in front so 
that you can speak with someone and still be ready when a shot goes off. 
They're good, but for mowing the lawn I still turn off the sound from the 
microphones and they're more quiet.

I also have aftermarket ANR kits I installed in several of my aviation 
headsets and they're far more effective even for mowing.  But the price 
difference is huge.  The Peltor ANR muffs were about $50, while the ANR 
kits I put in my David Clark headsets cost over $100, on top of a few 
hundred dollars for the headsets themselves.

David Clark sells headsets with ANR from the factory, but they're over 
$500, and Bose aviation headsets are about $1,000.  Ear plugs are cheaper 
if they're satisfactory.

On May 29, 2019 5:39:42 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk 
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> "While I'd love to have a pair of Bose Quiet Comfort 20â?¦â??
> Just for what its worth, I am on my third set of the Bose QC20â??s and could 
> not live without them.  They work incredibly well, but I donâ??t know if they 
> qualify as hearing protection.  As I understand it, they work by generating 
> anti-noise: the opposite wave length of the noise coming in.  While what 
> you can hear is greatly diminished - they are awesome on airplanes and in 
> hotels with noisy HVAC systems - I wonder if they actually prevent hearing 
> damage.   It would be nice to know if they do qualify, or if 
> noise+anti-noise is still damaging to the ears, even if you canâ??t actually 
> perceive it.  Does anyone here know?
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">ANR - Active Noise Reduction - indeed does protect hearin=
g.&nbsp; The units vary in sophistication, but all essentially have a micro=
phone in each earcup that "listens" to the sound inside.&nbsp; The circuitr=
y of course knows what it's putting out (assuming this is an actual audio h=
eadset and not just a hearing protector) and ignores that.&nbsp; It generat=
es an opposite-phase sound wave to whatever it "hears" as noise, and thus t=
he noise and the ANR signal cancel each other.&nbsp; Your ear received less=
 sound pressure.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I have =
a pair of Peltor muffs for shooting with microphones in front so that you c=
an speak with someone and still be ready when a shot goes off. They're good=
, but for mowing the lawn I still turn off the sound from the microphones a=
nd they're more quiet.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I=
 also have aftermarket ANR kits I installed in several of my aviation heads=
ets and they're far more effective even for mowing.&nbsp; But the price dif=
ference is huge.&nbsp; The Peltor ANR muffs were about $50, while the ANR k=
its I put in my David Clark headsets cost over $100, on top of a few hundre=
d dollars for the headsets themselves.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">David Clark sells headsets with ANR from the factory, but th=
ey're over $500, and Bose aviation headsets are about $1,000.&nbsp; Ear plu=
gs are cheaper if they're satisfactory.</div><div dir=3D'auto'><br></div>
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 8pt 0;">On May 29, 2019 5:39:42 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;shop-talk@a=
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<span style=3D"color: #0432ff;">"While I'd love to have a pair of&nbsp;Bose=
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div><div class=3D"">Just for what its worth, I am on my third set of the Bo=
se QC20=E2=80=99s and could not live without them. &nbsp;They work incredib=
ly well, but I don=E2=80=99t know if they qualify as hearing protection. &n=
bsp;As I understand it, they work by generating anti-noise: the opposite wa=
ve length of the noise coming in. &nbsp;While what you can hear is greatly =
diminished - they are awesome on airplanes and in hotels with noisy HVAC sy=
stems - I wonder if they actually prevent hearing damage. &nbsp; It would b=
e nice to know if they do qualify, or if noise+anti-noise is still damaging=
 to the ears, even if you can=E2=80=99t actually perceive it. &nbsp;Does an=
yone here know? &nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><div><br class=3D""></div><br c=
lass=3D""></div>
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