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Re: [Shop-talk] Welding v. Rivets

To: John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding v. Rivets
From: Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas@snet.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 12:58:08 -0400
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I thought of that but it comes down to selecting the lesser of evils. The pu=
re rust I found in the rails was extensive for a 9 year old truck. The quest=
ion is whether the galvanic corrosion would be worse. =46rom the appearance o=
f what I found on the truck it's hard to imagine worse.

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> On Aug 3, 2016, at 11:13 AM, John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Aluminum rivets in steel are a bad idea.  Unless something is done to perm=
anently coat the surfaces where the tow materials interface, there will be g=
alvanic corrosion.  Just encapsulating the completed joint is not sufficient=
, you have to make sure that the expanded portion of the rivet in the hole n=
ever touches the steel base material.  I have seen this done with highly spe=
cialized rivets with some sort of interface collar, but I don't think plain a=
ircraft aluminum rivets will work.
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>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas@snet.net> wrote=
:
>> I am replacing the support rails for the bed of my 2007 F250.  (I thought=
 about a bed replacement but it seems the rails are the only rotten parts.  N=
O RUST in the fender wells!)
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>> Once the old rails are removed, my plan was to rosette-weld in the new on=
es.  But, I have the ability to use aircraft rivets, probably 3/16" size.  I=
f I do this, I can seal the entire junction with silicone, as I've done in m=
y FFR Roadster. Welding will leave a place for corrosion, but would the expo=
sure be better or worse with the dissimilar metal of the rivets, aluminum v.=
 steel?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I thought of that but it comes down to=
 selecting the lesser of evils. The pure rust I found in the rails was exten=
sive for a 9 year old truck. The question is whether the galvanic corrosion w=
ould be worse. =46rom the appearance of what I found on the truck it's hard t=
o imagine worse.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 3, 2016, at=
 11:13 AM, John Innis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jdinnis@gmail.com";>jdinnis@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Aluminum rivets in steel are a bad idea.&nbsp; Unless something is done=
 to permanently coat the surfaces where the tow materials interface, there w=
ill be galvanic corrosion.&nbsp; Just encapsulating the completed joint is n=
ot sufficient, you have to make sure that the expanded portion of the rivet i=
n the hole never touches the steel base material.&nbsp; I have seen this don=
e with highly specialized rivets with some sort of interface collar, but I d=
on't think plain aircraft aluminum rivets will work.<br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:27 PM,=
 Jim Juhas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:james.f.juhas@snet.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">james.f.juhas@snet.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">I am replacing the support rails for the bed of my 2007 F2=
50.&nbsp; (I thought about a bed replacement but it seems the rails are the o=
nly rotten parts.&nbsp; NO RUST in the fender wells!)<br>
<br>
Once the old rails are removed, my plan was to rosette-weld in the new ones.=
&nbsp; But, I have the ability to use aircraft rivets, probably 3/16" size.&=
nbsp; If I do this, I can seal the entire junction with silicone, as I've do=
ne in my FFR Roadster. Welding will leave a place for corrosion, but would t=
he exposure be better or worse with the dissimilar metal of the rivets, alum=
inum v. steel?<br>
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