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Re: [Mgs] Driveshaft orientation

To: "Robert's New iPad" <mgbobh@gmail.com>, <jimray@hartcom.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driveshaft orientation
From: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:28:36 +0100 EkMNPXThHEWmrej8+Ykd8ysG2zrrohuBqchI36h3rvVQsvwxCyV4drEqwplywCXBWwuoLEZCZNBLwH30GbmuXk3AIND6vYTCL1GkL76olD5f669QrW3r1nVV +JczfyJmjc79ZgAZ3ciYDA==
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Yes the sliding joint only ever goes towards the gearbox, and the UJs do =
have to be aligned correctly.  My Haynes has an exploded drawing showing =
them incorrectly aligned and assembled drawing showing them correct.  My =
WSM is correct.  It's much easier to show in a picture of course, but =
I'll try describing it in less than 1000 words.

The flange halves of the UJs must have their axes in the same direction =
as each other i.e. if the gearbox flange half is vertical then the axle =
flange half must be vertical as well.  Get it wrong and you get =
excessive wear in the UJs .

But that's not the whole story.

As said the sliding joint comes apart which means it can be reassembled =
in as many ways as there are splines.  Two of these ways will give the =
correct flange orientation, but only one of them is how the shaft would =
have been balanced originally.  Get them 180 degrees out and you could =
get significant imbalance and vibration.  There should be alignment =
marks on the two halves of the sliding joint but they are often missing =
and even when there are very faint.  More info with pictures here =
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ps.htm

Both Haynes and the WSM make great play about when removing the =
propshaft you should mark the flanges it goes back on the car as it came =
off.  That's a nice to have, but it's not essential, as the shaft is =
balanced as a unit and should run correctly whichever way the pairs of =
flanges are bolted up to each other.  After all, if you were buying a =
new propshaft the flanges wouldn't have been marked.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20


     The sliding joint (sleeve & spline) end is forward, toward the =
gearbox.
      As the driveshaft may have been separated at the sliding joint =
(they will pull apart when off the car), check that the yokes of the =
universal joints are aligned.
  Bob



  On Aug 25, 2021, at 3:29 PM, <jimray@hartcom.net> <jimray@hartcom.net> =
wrote:


    Can anyone give me the correct orientation (front to back) of the =
driveshaft on an 80 MGB. Does the end with the sleeve and spline connect =
to the differential or the transmission. I=E2=80=99ve seen examples of =
both configurations.

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<DIV>The flange halves of the UJs must have their axes in the same =
direction as=20
each other i.e. if the gearbox flange half is vertical then the axle =
flange half=20
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in the=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But that's not the whole story.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As said the sliding joint comes apart which means it can be =
reassembled in=20
as many ways as there are splines.&nbsp; Two of these ways will give the =
correct=20
flange orientation, but only one of them is how the shaft would have =
been=20
balanced originally.&nbsp; Get them 180 degrees out and you could get=20
significant imbalance and vibration.&nbsp; There should be alignment =
marks on=20
the two halves of the sliding joint but they are often missing and even =
when=20
there are very faint.&nbsp; More info with pictures here <A=20
href=3D"http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ps.htm";>http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/p=
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Both Haynes and the WSM make great play about when removing the =
propshaft=20
you should mark the flanges it goes back on the car as it came =
off.&nbsp; That's=20
a nice to have, but it's not essential, as the shaft is balanced as a =
unit and=20
should run correctly whichever way the pairs of flanges are&nbsp;bolted =
up to=20
each other.&nbsp; After all, if you were buying a new propshaft the =
flanges=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>PaulH.</DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr>&nbsp; &nbsp;The sliding joint (sleeve &amp; spline) =
end is=20
  forward, toward the gearbox.</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>&nbsp; &nbsp; As the driveshaft may have been separated =
at the=20
  sliding joint (they will pull apart when off the car), check that the =
yokes of=20
  the universal joints are aligned.</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Bob</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR>On Aug 25, 2021, at 3:29 PM, &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:jimray@hartcom.net";>jimray@hartcom.net</A>&gt; &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:jimray@hartcom.net";>jimray@hartcom.net</A>&gt;=20
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