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Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil
From: Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 09:27:09 -0700
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Quote from the first paragraph of the FAQ:

The Valvoline VR1 Racing and other racing oils =
<https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil> not intended for =
passenger vehicles contain additional additives for increased horsepower =
and reduced friction on metal parts, provide extra wear protection for =
high compression/higher horsepower engines, and include fewer detergents =
than regular conventional motor oils.

So, that answers that question. If you change your oil frequently, it =
probably isn=E2=80=99t a problem, though.

I have used racing oil in the transmission, however, because reduced =
friction and wear protection are relevant concepts, and detergent is =
pointless (since no combustion blow-by).



--
Max Heim
'66 MGB


> On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> VR1 contains an additive package. I would hope there's a detergent in =
it, because it's what I'm using.=20
>   Viz: https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq =
<https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq>
>=20
> CR
>=20
> On 6/17/2019 5:06 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>=20
>> Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one (although it may be non-optimal for =
other reasons, such as lack of detergent)
>> Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY in this brand)
>> Certain weights from Kendall, Royal Purple, Gibbs
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>=20
>>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Bert Palte via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
>>>=20
>>> Yes, also over here in Europe it has become less easily available.
>>> If nothing else is available, 10W40 will do.
>>> I use mineral oil. That is good enough, our cars aren't high tech!
>>>=20
>>> Bert=20
>>> 70 B=20
>>> SA4BRL=20
>>> PA0LPS
>>> --=20
>>> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>> On 2019-06-17, 23:19 dave via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
>>> I=E2=80=99ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several =
years now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free =
shipping.  It has zddp.
>>>=20
>>> =20
>>> Now its 1 to 2 months.
>>>=20
>>> =20
>>> However =E2=80=93 Advanced Auto Parts - =
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synth=
etic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=3Dvalvoline+20w-50+ful=
l+synthetic =
<https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synt=
hetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=3Dvalvoline+20w-50+fu=
ll+synthetic>
>>>=20
>>> =20
>>> free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.  You =
can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it=E2=80=99s a 6 pack), and =
it=E2=80=99s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
>>>=20
>>> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Quote from the first paragraph of the FAQ:<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(125, 126, =
126); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: =
16.799999237060547px; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" =
class=3D"">The Valvoline VR1 Racing and other&nbsp;</span><a =
id=3D"lnkRacingOils" =
href=3D"https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil"; =
style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: =
none; color: rgb(25, 25, 25); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 16.799999237060547px;" class=3D"">racing oils</a><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(125, 126, 126); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 16.799999237060547px; background-color: rgb(254, =
254, 254);" class=3D"">&nbsp;not intended for passenger vehicles contain =
additional additives for increased horsepower and reduced friction on =
metal parts, provide extra wear protection for high compression/higher =
horsepower engines, and include <u class=3D"">fewer detergents</u> than =
regular conventional motor oils.</span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(125, 126, 126); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 16.799999237060547px; background-color: rgb(254, =
254, 254);" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D"">So, =
that answers that question. If you change your oil frequently, it =
probably isn=E2=80=99t a problem, though.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I have used racing oil in the =
transmission, however, because reduced friction and wear protection are =
relevant concepts, and detergent is pointless (since no combustion =
blow-by).</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Charley Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Charley38@twc.com"; class=3D"">Charley38@twc.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
 =20
    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D"">
    VR1 contains an additive package. I would hope there's a detergent
    in it, because it's what I'm using. <br class=3D"">
    &nbsp; Viz: <a =
href=3D"https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq"; =
class=3D"">https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq</a><br =
class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    CR<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/17/2019 5:06 PM, Max Heim via =
Mgs
      wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:303432D7-3DF9-4BB4-8756-DDBF441460C0@sonic.net" class=3D"">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
      </div>
      <div class=3D"">Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one (although it may =
be
        non-optimal for other reasons, such as lack of detergent)</div>
      <div class=3D"">Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY in this
        brand)</div>
      <div class=3D"">Certain weights from Kendall, Royal Purple, =
Gibbs<br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          <div class=3D"">
            <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D"">
                <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div>
                <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height:
                  16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div>
                <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">'66
                  MGB</div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
          <br class=3D"">
          <div class=3D"">
            <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
              <div class=3D"">On Jun 17, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Bert Palte =
via
                Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                wrote:</div>
              <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
              <div class=3D"">
                <div class=3D"mail_android_message" style=3D"font-family:
                  Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em;">Yes, also over
                  here in Europe it has become less easily available.<br =
class=3D"">
                  If nothing else is available, 10W40 will do.<br =
class=3D"">
                  I use mineral oil. That is good enough, our cars
                  aren't high tech!<br class=3D"">
                  <br class=3D"">
                  Bert<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">
                  70 B<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">
                  SA4BRL<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">
                  PA0LPS<br class=3D"">
                  --<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br=
 class=3D"">
                  Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please
                  excuse my brevity.</div>
                <div class=3D"mail_android_quote" style=3D"font-family:
                  Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; line-height: 1; padding: 0.3em;">On 2019-06-17,
                  23:19 dave via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color:
                    rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                  wrote:
                  <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: =
0.8ex
                    0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px;
                    border-left-style: solid; border-left-color:
                    rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
                    <div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page:
                      WordSection1;">
                      <div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full
                        synthetic for several years now, and it used to
                        be immediately available from Amazon with free
                        shipping.&nbsp; It has zddp.</div>
                      <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
                      </div>
                      <div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
                      </div>
                      <div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Now its 1 to 2 months.</div>
                      <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
                      </div>
                      <div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
                      </div>
                      <div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">However =E2=80=93 Advanced Auto Parts -<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-fu=
ll-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=3Dvalvoline+20=
w-50+full+synthetic" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                          text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1=
-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTe=
rm=3Dvalvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic</a></div>
                      <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
                      </div>
                      <div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
                      </div>
                      <div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">free shipping with a minimum order of
                        $25, which is 3 quarts.&nbsp; You can buy it any
                        number of quarts (from Amazon it=E2=80=99s a 6 =
pack),
                        and it=E2=80=99s a couple pennies =
cheaper!!!</div>
                      <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
                      </div>
                      <div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
                      </div>
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